Cursor Replaces Your Entire Business Stack (Full Demo)

Join me as I chat with Amir to discuss how Cursor can function as a comprehensive interface for business operations beyond traditional coding. Through demonstrations of Model Context Protocols (MCPs), Amir illustrates how to automate financial reporting, conduct UX analysis, create marketing content, and perform QA testing—all within Cursor. The conversation highlights how this approach can dramatically improve productivity by eliminating the need to switch between different applications. Timestamps: • 00:00 - Intro • 01:03 - Overview of using Cursor beyond coding • 02:40 - Finance automation with Xero MCP • 07:58 - UX analysis using Playwright MCP • 14:37 - Sales/Marketing automation with Perplexity and Firecrawl MCPs • 23:51 - QA testing automation • 26:50 - Advice for non-technical users getting started with Cursor Key Points: • How Cursor AI can be used beyond coding to manage finance, analytics, design, and marketing tasks • Model Context Protocols (MCPs) allow seamless integration with third-party services like Xero, Playwright, and Perplexity • Automated workflows can handle accounting tasks, UX analysis, content creation, and QA testing • Different AI models serve different purposes: "thinking models" for planning and "agentic models" for execution LCA helps Fortune 500s and fast-growing startups build their future - from Warner Music to Fortnite to Dropbox. We turn 'what if' into reality with AI, apps, and next-gen products https://latecheckout.agency/ Boringmarketing - Vibe Marketing for Companies: https://www.boringmarketing.com/ The Vibe Marketer - Join the Community and Learn:https://www.thevibemarketer.com Startup Empire - a membership for builders who want to build cash-flowing businesses https://www.skool.com/startupempire/about FIND ME ON SOCIAL X/Twitter: https://twitter.com/gregisenberg Instagram: https://instagram.com/gregisenberg/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisenberg/ FIND AMIR ON SOCIAL Humblytics: https://humblytics.com/?via=community X/Twitter: https://x.com/amirmxt Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@amirmxt Build, Ship, Market: https://buildshipmarket.com

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• 0:00Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, Amir, you're a vibe coder I look up to. And I wanted to have you on the pod. And what are we gonna learn today?

• 0:08Speaker 01

  First of all, I'm very flattered. Thanks a lot. Today, I'm gonna do an extension of the conversation you recently had, actually, with James, aka The Born Marketer.

• 0:16Greg Isenberg?

  Yep.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  I think he did an excellent job showing how he's using Cursor to do a lot of vibe marketing and how he's using it to grow his business. I want to take a step further and show you how you can essentially use Cursor. Pretty much, it's an interface for work. You can use it for finance, analytics, design and marketing. And I'm gonna show you some more tools and tips on how you can essentially have a team of agents to do specific things for you, especially with MCPs.

• 0:44Greg Isenberg?

  I'm intrigued. You've intrigued me.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, have your attention.

• 0:48Greg Isenberg?

  You have my attention.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  All right, that's great.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  What's really interesting is, I think I want to take a step back, is with a lot of LLMs, we previously didn't have access to a lot of third-party services or apps. You know, with ChatGPT, we briefly saw connections to like Zapier and custom integrations. But what we didn't see was how you can seamlessly just grab data and interact with that data. And essentially, when Anthropic came out with MCP's Model Context Protocols, it was an interface for you to be able to interact with those apps. And it's very much synonymous with APIs. And MCPs made it easy for us to be able to access this data, create data, change it, transform it, all through LLM. And I currently have a company called Humbletics.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  It's an analytics tool that lets you run split testing and CRO. And, you know, I come from a background, I've previously started companies and grew teams and scaled teams. And my co-founder and I this time around said, what, you know, how far can we scale this company with AI and agentic workflows? And, you know, let's try to push to the ceiling. And I think AI did a big part in like educating us, but also enabled us to do a lot of these workflows. And then when MCPs came out, complete game changer. Yep. Complete game changer. So, um, you know, with Cursor, we traditionally saw people just building apps with it in development. And I was like, okay, I'm spending a lot of time by coding and building in Cursor.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  What if I try to not leave Cursor at all? What if I do my finance, my marketing, my SEO, and my development all in one place? Is that possible? Absolutely, absolutely. So I think what we can do actually is start off with finance. Okay. So one of the biggest things for me is I would love to be able to just get a list of invoices and be able to get an update on my profit and loss. Yeah. Directly from my accounting app called Xero. Yep. So what you can do is you can actually just connect to the Xero MCP and say, connect to Xero

• 3:06Speaker 01

  MCP and list out my profit report for May 2025 or 2024, for example. And what it's going to do is actually going to connect to the Xero MCP and directly pull that information for you. Now, you can also update your accounting software directly through here as well. So let's say, for example, you want to do a payroll report, or you want to create a quote or invoice. It will do that automatically for you. So I can say, create a quote for one of my vendors. And what I did here is, you know, this is a financial report that I just recently created, where I got a list of my bank accounts and my revenue accounts, my costs. This is all sample data, by the way.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  So anyone wants to, you know, hack my accounts and other line items. And I can use this directly to actually access that information. So right now, we have an MCP that got a list of my accounts and it's going to say, okay, I can create a quote for you. So I can say, create a quote for UX Services for ABC.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Furniture. And it's gonna go ahead and do that and then give me a link to actually access that quote.

• 4:15Greg Isenberg?

  Someone, so I know someone's at is gonna ask like, well, why should I even do this in cursor? Like what, you know, why is this better than, you know, going on to zero directly?

• 4:26Speaker 01

  I don't wanna click things, you know, too many things to click. And I think we're naturally moving towards voice and text to do actions.

• 4:34Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  And that's essentially where we are. So really what it comes down to is being able to actually do this directly in here and programmatically.

• 4:42Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Accountants spend a lot of time repeating the same actions and they use a lot of no code tools to do it.

• 4:46Greg Isenberg?

  That to me is the most interesting piece is like the programmatic piece of this.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 4:51Greg Isenberg?

  Like, how much time are you gonna save by being able to program that stuff?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I think even, you know, right now, like we just created multiple, a quote right now.

• 5:02Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Within one line of sentence, I could have taken many steps. So if I click on this right here, you can actually see the quote that is now live directly through here. So I'll just log in.

• 5:13Greg Isenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:15Greg Isenberg?

  Because like this, like what you're talking about right now is just about like, how do you? How do you turn SaaS? How do you turn SaaS into programmable, right?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 5:26Greg Isenberg?

  You know, and I think that this might look like, oh, it's cute, but it's actually not just cute. Right? It's, it's really about saving a lot of time, being more accurate, being more productive.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Exactly. And I, you know, I demoed this to like 300 accountants and they couldn't believe. They're like, you just probably completely transformed our workflow when it comes to tax season, where we have to like do a list report of all the invoices and quotes that we have for our clients or get tax reports done. So I just literally using one sentence created a complete quote for ABC Furniture on US Design and Consultation Services. And what's amazing that it automatically knew. How I would approach the services and give it a price point for it, which is pretty cool. What's interesting is I have right now, you know, a list of the dashboard of my business. And then I, what I can do is actually open it up and get a finance report that says,

• 6:19Speaker 01

  here's all the accounts you have, here's the latest call value, here's your tax rates, what you spent money on, and just, you know, you can just deploy this to a server like Netlify and just share with anyone within your team within seconds. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. Yeah. So putting, you know, this is our accounting team. They run our financials here and I really don't have to do much within Cursor. Anytime my co-founder bugs me, he's like, hey, what's this line item I'm seeing here? I'm like, just go check the report. That's right. It's already up there, all through Cursor. I love it. So going back, we covered our finance team.

• 6:51Greg Isenberg?

  Sam Altman, the co-founder of OpenAI, just said that it is the era of the idea guy, and he is not wrong. I think that right now is an incredible time to be building a startup. And if you listen to this podcast, chances are you think so too. Now, I think that you can look at trends to basically figure out what are the startup ideas you should be building. So that's exactly why I built idea browser.com. Every single day, you're going to get a free startup idea in your inbox, and it's all backed by high-quality data trends. How we do it, people always ask. We use AI agents to go and search, what are people looking for? And what are they screaming for in terms of products that you should be building?

• 7:36Greg Isenberg?

  And then we hand it on a, you know, silver platter for you to go check out. We do have a few paid plans that, you know, take it to the next level, give you more ideas, give you more AI agents and more, almost like a chat GPT for ideas with it. But you can start for free, idea browser.com. And if you're listening to this, I highly recommend it.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  I also have a UX team that monitors my landing page all the time, takes screenshots, and gives me feedback based on our analytics data and says, you know what, you need to make some changes here, or you need to do this. And how that works is I use Playwright. So I say, use Playwright MCP. And Playwright is really interesting because it's essentially an agentic browser where an agent will open up the browser for you and perform specific actions. So you can use it to QA, to take screenshots, to navigate, or give you feedback on errors that you're seeing.

• 8:33Greg Isenberg?

  And there's other competitors to Playwright, right?

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, there is Firecall and Browserbase as well.

• 8:39Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, so those are great tools as well. Firecall, I use a lot, and I'll show an example for that as well, where we use the scrape. But Playwright, I like because MCP is so easy to install.

• 8:48Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  And it's free.

• 8:49Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Which is fantastic.

• 8:51Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  So you say, use Playwright MCP to go to humblytics.com and take a screenshot. So what I'll do is, I'll just, you know, take this away. And I want to take this time to actually talk about models as well. You know, with Cursor, it really depends on prompt engineering. It plays a big part on the outcome that you get. And models play also a more crucial part. There are like two types of models. You have the Thinking and Reasoning models, like O3, Gemini 2.5, and Cloud 4 Max mode, that are really good at complex problems.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  And then you have the agentic models like Sonnet 4, or, you know, Opus, Opus 4. And those are more like action-based models. So I've seen a tactic a lot of developers or just AI prompt engineers use is they have a very big task or complex problem, and they'll get a thinking model to actually come up with a plan to execute, then switch over to agentic model, and then actually execute on it.

• 9:57Greg Isenberg?

  Makes sense.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And it works really, really well. So you can kind of pass these models through. So.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Going back to our UX team, so I just have my UX agent right now taking screenshot of of our browser here and you know, displayed a screenshot and what it did in here is it has a screen capture of what our landing page looks like and I actually prompted, so I have a custom mode here that is specifically focused on design and growth and I'll say, based on the screenshot, provide some examples on how you would improve this or give me some recommendations on what split tests to run. So I can say, you know, reference the screenshot and provide an outline of UX growth suggestions and A B tests.

• 10:50Greg Isenberg?

  And why do you think, you know, doing this within Cursor is better than, let's say, ChatGPT or something like that?

• 10:57Speaker 01

  It's a closed system, right? So put yourself in the shoes of a developer or designer that is building your landing page directly within Cursor using custom code. They now have access to MCPs that can run all these tasks in parallel for them without actually having to work with other people or having to switch tabs or somewhere else. So if I'm looking at my landing page, I want instant access to my website traffic data. I want access to the screenshot of the webpage and just get an agent to actually give those feedback for me and then use that feedback to make the changes to the code itself. So I can use this output right here to say, okay, based on this output, start making changes to the landing page.

• 11:38Greg Isenberg?

  Right. That's crazy.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. So what we have here is essentially a complete comprehensive review of like what to change in the hero section, you know, add a social proof video testimony above the fold, you know, user funnel assessment and some, you know, suggestions on what to run for split test.

• 12:02Greg Isenberg?

  And this is like, good. This is good advice.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's solid advice. Yeah, like, you know, our current homepage says one click analytics and it says triple A conversions in 60 seconds. I mean, that's pretty good. Like, yeah, like, I'm intrigued.

• 12:21Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, you'd say more.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I'm curious. So, you know, and it gives you some implementation notes and

• 12:29Speaker 01

  You know, I can, for example, right now, reference another MCP, our own MCP. So we dog food here. You know, we, we have a Humblytics MCP. We say, um, refer to Humblytics MCP and get summary insights. And it'll connect to our analytics MCP and actually call all the key metrics and insights that we have. And I can use this as context to inform our design decisions. So I can say, use this now, you know, revise this UX review based on the insights that you have right here. So like it's saying user journey insights, you know, our traffic engagement metrics, traffic sources, and what the opportunities are to actually grow it.

• 13:12Greg Isenberg?

  It's interesting. I saw like Brazil is your number one traffic source. It's like, you know, why? Why, you know?

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is a good question. Yeah. Why, why is Brazil? I mean, surprisingly, we have a lot of Brazilian customers, a lot of Brazilian startups, high-growth startups, actually, that use our services. And, um, yeah, like it's interesting.

• 13:30Greg Isenberg?

  But it's interesting, right? Like, cause you, you probably, you might have missed that, right? And this allows you to see it. And then you can ask further questions and kind of, you know.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Get more context.

• 13:41Greg Isenberg?

  Get more context.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Get more, and like, you know, the issue is, is like, I think we're moving towards LLMs as the interface for everything, right? Instead of me having to go to our app.

• 13:54Greg Isenberg?

  What's the browser? LLMs are the new browser.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly. Yeah. So instead of having to open up our app to say like, oh, how many page views did I get today? Or in the last seven days? It's, um, by speaking to it, I'm already seeing that. And I think over time, we're going to see generative UI. Where it's like, okay, cool. Now create a UI based on that, you know?

• 14:14Greg Isenberg?

  Yep.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  And I think we can, we can get a sense of that as well, where it's like, okay, I want to show this to my team members to say, hey, like, here's all the key insights you need to know. So, you know, we have our page views here, our geographic distribution and traffic trends. Then I can just quickly show it to our team.

• 14:34Greg Isenberg?

  Amazing.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. So at this point, we've covered finance. We know, we know how much we're spending and how much money we're making. And we know our growth. And we've also done a comprehensive UX analysis. Where, where do you want to go next? We have QA and sales and marketing.

• 14:51Greg Isenberg?

  I mean, probably sales.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Sales.

• 14:53Greg Isenberg?

  Cause you know, it's important.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  All right, all right. Okay, cool. Let's do that. So. How do we get to creating email templates and actually automating our sales outbound process? I'm going to walk you through this. I use my favorite, favorite, favorite MCP, which is FireCrawl. And um. For, you know, for the audience that might not know what FireCrawl is. It's a great tool that we use essentially to have agents run in the browser to scrape content. And what's interesting is you can actually create context files. And these context files are really relevant when it comes to actually being able to inform your LLM about what it is you're talking about. So we have a Humblytics LLM dot text file

• 15:39Speaker 01

  that completely, that is very comprehensive around everything our product is. How much it costs, what it is, who our ICP is. And you can use FireCrawl to actually generate that file for you. To scrape Humblytics dot com, for example. And it'll scrape all the content that's on that website to create that LLM text file for you. And you use this as context for any task you want to get done.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Any, any questions so far?

• 16:06Greg Isenberg?

  I mean, not so far.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Not so far? Okay.

• 16:10Greg Isenberg?

  Clear, crystal clear so far.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Crystal clear. Perfect. So we use this context file. And um. We have an MCP that we run to actually get our

• 16:22Speaker 01

  keyword data as well. And we use this as an input between what we scraped and what we have in the keyword data to start creating both sales and marketing content.

• 16:32Greg Isenberg?

  Okay.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  So what I can do, for example, is say, you know, based on the keyword data, based on the LLM file that, you know, James covered last time in the session, in the pod as well.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  Create an article based on this XYZ topic. So I can essentially run an MCP, say, use perplexity MCP to research top, you know, split testing tools and refer to Humblytics context file and the keyword data to generate an article.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  And what this does is you have an agent that will go use perplexity MCP to actually run a deep search on a topic that you want. And then use the keyword data that you've already gathered to create a very comprehensive article with keyword, like keyword, good keyword density and so on. So you can even use like content templates that I've created myself, like best product in year, best competitor, how to do it, you know, a thing. And it'll create an article that's quite accurate. Typically, when you ask L M. to write an article, you'll see sometimes it hallucinates.

• 17:41Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  When you're using MCPs like perplexity and fire crawl, you can use as a way to cross-reference because it's scraping relevant information that's up to date.

• 17:50Greg Isenberg?

  I noticed both you and James used perplexity MCP for deep research. Is that like the what people should be using?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 18:01Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, you know, across the board, you have fire crawl, perplexity and Exa.

• 18:06Greg Isenberg?

  Exa.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Exa is great when it comes to accessing data sets.

• 18:10Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Fire crawl is great for scraping data.

• 18:13Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  But I think perplexity, their prompt and their approach to search is probably the best.

• 18:17Greg Isenberg?

  And for Exa data sets, like what would be an example of a data set that you might want?

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Find me a list of like five companies in the construction software space.

• 18:27Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  You know, it'll go by category, industry, the type of companies, revenue, number of employees.

• 18:33Greg Isenberg?

  And from a, like, how much do these services cost, you know, like off the top of your head?

• 18:39Speaker 01

  I just put my credit card on my, I'll let the vibes take care of it. I wish I knew. I'm like the ROI.

• 18:44Greg Isenberg?

  Like, are we talking like tens of dollars, hundreds, thousands?

• 18:46Speaker 01

  I mean, so fire crawl specifically, I think I pay like nine or nineteen dollars.

• 18:53Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  But Exa, when it comes, they have a pay as you go service. And then, you know, we're talking like five dollars, twenty five dollars.

• 18:58Greg Isenberg?

  Right.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Which is. Compared to the time you put into it, the opportunity cost is insane.

• 19:04Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, okay.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:05Greg Isenberg?

  Cool.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, you know, I'm a vibe code and I'm also a vibe spender. Like, just, just take the card. Yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  So, an example of this, you know, if we had, you know, run the perplexity search, it created an article in the top tools. It has the right keyword density. So what this will look like is something like an article like this. So it has, you know, it's prompted in a way to give me suggested alternative titles, meta descriptions, keywords, content statistics, and article summaries. And how this works is by a very customized mode within, within, within Cursor. You can actually create custom modes. Have you, have you used those before?

• 19:51Greg Isenberg?

  No, I haven't.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, so custom modes, they're essentially specialized agents. You can assign the model. You can assign a shortcut key if you wanted to, and then also access the tools. But what's really interesting is the prompt. So I have this prompt right here. I'll show you actually.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Where it specializes in generating comprehensive product requirement documentation. So you're an AI specializing in creating PRDs. Here's how you should approach it. Here's the key features you should keep in mind. Here's how you should map out the directory of the code.

• 20:27Greg Isenberg?

  How do I copy this?

• 20:30Greg Isenberg?

  Or do I need to do it myself?

• 20:32Speaker 01

  You can do it yourself, definitely. You can, you can use an agent to prompt it, to create a prompt for you.

• 20:36Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Which is possible. But I also share these resources online and I have an access to this prompt as well.

• 20:42Greg Isenberg?

  Okay, thank you.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's also good because it gives you like Mermaid diagrams, which is key.

• 20:47Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  For a lot of agents to be able to follow the data flow. And, you know, there's other great tools out.

• 20:53Greg Isenberg?

  Explain what that is for people.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. So Mermaid diagrams are essentially visual diagrams of flows for like, in most cases, used to visualize architecture.

• 21:06Greg Isenberg?

  Right.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Or data flows. And I think it's now, in my opinion, a big factor for providing context to agents to actually understand the data flow. So I'll say like, you know, I can show you an example where, create an example.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Murmurated diagram for a job board showcasing the flow between an employer,

• 21:31Speaker 01

  posting a job and admin reviewing it. So what this does essentially is it helps you map out what that flow will look like. And I think the key part around vibe coding in general is you're the architect. You're guiding it. Claude code is great in terms of you prompting it and it goes and does it for you. But with cursor, I think the differentiation is you're still the driver in the seat and you have a co-pilot.

• 21:54Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  That's gonna do it for you.

• 21:56Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or you're the co-pilot, actually, and the driver's doing it for you. So this is what a murmur diagram looks like. So it can actually map out exactly what the flow will look like if you were to build an app. So I want to have a job board that where employer can go in, access the dashboard, create a job posting, fill the information.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  And then as a user, or as an admin, I want to access this. So this is quite complex.

• 22:24Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Right? So imagine like if I was a product manager at a startup or a company, I'd probably have to do a lot of this before L M's with hand.

• 22:33Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Manually doing this, but now you can just get a murmur diagram directly in here and it has all the mapped out for you.

• 22:40Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah. I used to do those by hand, like I was a product manager, so.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:46Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not fun. It's like, I do not like doing this at all. It's not fun at all. And I think that's where it gets interesting to like talk about cursor. Even if you're not building a product, but if you're a PM or you're a researcher, cursor can be the interface for you to actually just do a lot of this work and use it as a process to hand over to whatever it is that you're doing. So as a PM, you can create PRDs. You can do these flows and have it focused on your work.

• 23:16Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  You don't have to be building a business.

• 23:17Greg Isenberg?

  A hundred percent.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  But ideally you should be.

• 23:19Greg Isenberg?

  I'm building a business.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  But yeah.

• 23:21Greg Isenberg?

  That's a separate conversation.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But um. But the the net of it here is like you can, you know, I created these folders to show that like you can essentially have all these different functions within both your business and the work that you're doing to to show what's possible, right? Even if you're a QA agent, for example. You can create.

• 23:42Greg Isenberg?

  QA is it's it's the least like interesting on the surface, but it's so important. Right?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Very important.

• 23:50Greg Isenberg?

  So, so important.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  And I think what's interesting is like if you have a test plan.

• 23:54Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  You can use something like browser base or playwright to say, look at this test plan.

• 24:00Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  And start acting on like, start doing it. So I can actually get, you know, playwright to follow this test plan to say, go do this, go do that.

• 24:10Greg Isenberg?

  Crazy.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:12Greg Isenberg?

  That's crazy.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  We have, you know, for our app right now, we have a lot of QA done with agentic browsers.

• 24:19Greg Isenberg?

  And it works.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  And it works and it completely works. So like I can, for example, go in here and say, you know, like, go to humblytics.com using playwright.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  MCP and click on login, for example. And, you know, hopefully it works. And there's that, you know, you know, they say there's a saying, do a demo loses sale. I'm not trying to sell you on anything, but in most cases, we'll see. Cause sometimes you have models that break and they don't use MCPs properly, but.

• 24:50Greg Isenberg?

  I'm even if it doesn't work, I'm happy because it shows that things break sometimes.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 24:57Greg Isenberg?

  And that's totally normal.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  It's completely normal. And I think part of it is chances are the model is not the right model you're using.

• 25:03Greg Isenberg?

  Right.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Your prompt's not right, or just something broke within Cursor and you just need to try it again. So as this is loading, oh, there we go. So it should open my browser right now and navigate to the page. Oh, there we go.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Okay, so it says, oh, the page is loaded successfully. There's a login.

• 25:23Greg Isenberg?

  Crazy.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  And should click it. There you go.

• 25:27Greg Isenberg?

  Oh, my God.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  So I can say, you know, fill it out, fill it in with an example email. Now, if I wanted to, I can refer to that QA plan that we had and say, hey, go through the step by step.

• 25:40Greg Isenberg?

  Right.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  So I just put it, I just automatically typed in a user example.

• 25:44Greg Isenberg?

  This is magic, man.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  And you know what's crazy? It passed the captcha.

• 25:49Greg Isenberg?

  Captchas don't work anymore, right, in this world?

• 25:51Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I'm not so sure. I'm, you know, I think we just, we just showed that AGI is possible.

• 25:57Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  So, so you can actually have complete automated QA testing.

• 26:04Greg Isenberg?

  Incredible.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  As you're building your app, have an agent spin up.

• 26:08Greg Isenberg?

  I mean, that's why I wanted to have you on, on the pod is just to show, like, I, I had heard that you showed James, the boring marketer, how you use Cursor.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:21Greg Isenberg?

  And after, after you did that, he has never been the same. And I'm having that same visceral experience right now where I'm looking at how you're running your business on top of Cursor. And it makes me feel like, like I use actually Xero, for example, for, for accounting. Our, our company uses it. And I hate logging in. And I'm constantly asking our finance person, X, Y, Z. And all these little tasks that could be programmable.

• 26:52Greg Isenberg?

  And I think the reason why I don't use Cursor for a lot of these things is a bit, as a non-technical person, it's a bit overwhelming.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 26:59Greg Isenberg?

  So like, what do you say to, to someone who looks at this IDE and is like a bit overwhelmed? Yeah, you know, because James was, James was that person three weeks ago.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:11Greg Isenberg?

  And now he's like fluid, right?

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, N A N is, is out the window. He's a big N A N guy. I'm like, yeah, we need to, we need to check the market share of N A N. Because I think we had an impact here. But no, absolutely. I think it's totally natural to feel that way.

• 27:23Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  I think I would actually have a very contrarian take to that, to say, open up Cursor and try to build your own app. Because once you get over that gap of knowing how to deal with the interface, how to use the terminal on those command lines, you can then go ahead and do all these other tasks. In a breeze, right? So if you get the hard part done, you can actually do all this. But it's totally natural to feel that way. And if some people don't want to build their code in there, it's okay, because the intended use case of Cursor is not for these kind of tasks.

• 27:53Greg Isenberg?

  Right.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  I think because I have more of a development, develop per mindset first as well, like, okay, how do I just keep it all in here? I'm also very like OCD and like to have things very clean and simple. Like, a lot of my friends make fun of me for how simple my sidebar is.

• 28:09Greg Isenberg?

  Or your dock, too.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got nothing in here. Yeah, I'm like, I just need to keep things very simple here. So if I can keep things all in one place, I'm okay. And honestly, a little bit of that rooted from that, I was like, okay, cool. I just want to see how far I can take this in Cursor.

• 28:23Greg Isenberg?

  Yeah.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:24Greg Isenberg?

  Well, it's cool, because I guess I've never really seen anyone use Cursor like this. So is there anything else you want to, you want to show, or?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  I think we've covered it, right? We essentially covered marketing, finance, design, analytics. Where I really end this off is like, for anyone that wants to start off, is just open up Cursor and work with just dropping a file in there and interacting with that file. And then install MCP, see how far you can go with MCP. Then work backwards to say, what can I achieve? What is the task or outcome? I want to, you know, in this case, just get a list of all the invoices that I have to open to pay for.

• 28:58Greg Isenberg?

  I'll include where to find you and get all your great content online in the show notes and description. I'll also include a link to Humblytics in the, in the description for people who want to check that out. Thank you for being so generous with your sauce. We appreciate it. This is, this is an audience that appreciates.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:17Greg Isenberg?

  Your, like, this type of sauce. So thank you so much for sharing.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  I'm glad. Thanks so much. Thanks for having me.

• 29:22Greg Isenberg?

  All right.