Scam Altman's Crypto Currency

Sam Altman’s “Worldcoin” is real… and somehow it’s even weirder than it sounds. TJ walks the crew through the orb, iris scans, “proof of human,” and the pitch for AI-funded UBI. We break down the funding, the rollout, the controversies, and why this all feels insanely ominous. Plus: classic Standup chaos, conspiracy energy, and too many jokes about where the orb shouldn’t go.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Hey, by the way, Casey, can I show you something?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Yes, as long as it's not something under the desk. We do not want to see the knob under the desk. Show me.

• 0:09Speaker 00

  This is what I was programming all day today.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  So, tell me how excited I need to be. I'm assuming this is not a real Commodore 64, is it?

• 0:20Speaker 00

  It is. It's by the company Commodore 64. They remade it. It's the Commodore 64 ultimate.

• 0:25Speaker 02

  Remastered version?

• 0:26Speaker 01

  Is it a real, like, Vic chip and crap?

• 0:29Speaker 00

  It has some USBAs on the back.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 0:32Speaker 00

  It still has the cassette. It still has the same audio out. You've still got the VGAs right here if you need them.

• 0:38Speaker 00

  It comes with a cassette that had a USB, like a flipper. It's like a cassette, but then it actually flips out as a USB. But then I immediately plugged it in and it broke, so I had to take it apart, and now I just have I just have floating USB, like I'm the Terminator.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  Computers broke a lot, like physically broke a lot. Anyways, that was fine.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  How much does that weigh?

• 0:59Speaker 00

  This thing? Honestly?

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Trash, you could lift it. We saw your muscles last week, bro.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much all I was getting at, you know?

• 1:08Speaker 00

  Unironically, Trash, these two together, because this is steel on the bottom, is like pretty much the same weight.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  So what is in that C64 shell, though? Like, is it an FPGA that has this actual...

• 1:22Speaker 00

  The files are in the Commodore.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  How is it made? Like, what is it?

• 1:29Speaker 00

  It is an FPGA that apparently is an emulator.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's not an FPGA that actually just has the original chipset baked in or anything?

• 1:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's an FPGA that's apparently an emulator. And apparently there's 16 megabytes of RAM, but I only saw 38,000. But I was sitting there thinking 38,000 bytes. But I was thinking that the input interface is really inconvenient, and you can technically do syntax highlighting. There's a non-zero chance you could create Vim, or at least VI, on the Commodore.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  I don't see any reason why you couldn't.

• 2:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, why not?

• 2:03Speaker 01

  I'm assuming there was a version of Vim that ran in less than 64K.

• 2:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would assume you could make it run in really little amounts.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Really old.

• 2:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Maybe not Vim. Sorry, Vim, I shouldn't have said Vim. VI.

• 2:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, VI. My big problem, honestly, is I don't know how to save a file or create a file, so that's like, that's really hampering my progress.

• 2:22Speaker 03

  It's not really that necessary for you. You know, I don't think you're getting past anywhere that needs it.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Uh, I think what you should do is combine the two things. You should try to get Claude Code to write C64 for you, right? It's like, it's like, open code. How do I save a file on my Commodore 64?

• 2:39Speaker 00

  I, so I didn't want to do that, so today, I actually, the reason why I never once whipped out the AI for today, because I just was gonna read the friendly manual the whole time.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 2:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. We actually got pretty far into the manual.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Too, didn't I?

• 2:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was a great song. I got a nice little, it's the Commodore 64 manual, got it all right here.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  That was gnarly.

• 2:57Speaker 00

  It did tell me that if I want to go a little bit more advanced, I do need to reference the 1982, the 1982 hand guide. I didn't have that, so if I have to go more, you know, if I need to go deeper, I'm gonna have to find that 82 print.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  You can probably just ask Open Code to generate for you. It probably has it all in its memory. Read me back the 82.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Usually the way that people developed for the C60, well, it depends on who you were. Uh, but a lot of people developed for the C64 using an expansion cartridge, so that they could kind of have, uh, the, like, extra memory that they could use for like their development, while the actual memory of the C64, you know, remained for develop, you know, running the game and that sort of thing.

• 3:42Speaker 00

  Oh, interesting. That, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Also, here's a little tidbit for you that's pretty crazy. Uh, one of the reasons, I've often said that Ron Gilbert's kind of a badass. Uh, he is the guy who basically made, you know, the first version of Scum, the thing that ran Maniac Mansion and Secret of Monkey Island and all that stuff. Sorry, what?

• 4:07Speaker 03

  I said the Agile thing?

• 4:09Speaker 01

  No, not Scrum. Scum. S-C-U-M-M. Back when acronyms were cool.

• 4:15Speaker 00

  That's pretty good, TJ. That's pretty good.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  Thank you, thank you.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  I tried to figure out how to make it work, but I was just like, oh, it's just not gonna work, but if I, turns out if you just went for it, it actually does work.

• 4:24Speaker 03

  You just gotta look really dumb at the camera and chat will believe anything.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Anyway, they actually, one of the really cool things about their dev environment is they actually developed on a mainframe that could like, sort of, act as almost like a, like a control plane for the Commodore 64. And it could like, save this and restore the state and all this stuff. Like, they had insane dev tools back in the time. I, I like, listened to Ron describe them one time. And I was like, "Oh my god, like, that is so incredibly cool." They, they basically had like, way more advanced dev than, you know, pretty much anyone else at the time was using for something like a C64, which was super cool.

• 5:05Speaker 00

  Do you think it's possible that I could, um, I could write a TypeScript 2 basic compiler for my Commodore? And that way I can write TypeScript like a web dev and sip on Phil's lattes? And then, but also at the exact same time, be a hacker man?

• 5:22Speaker 01

  You shouldn't need to, because you should be able to go write to, uh, 6502 assembly. You shouldn't need the basic, because you can just... You should be able to go, right, that's 6502 in there, right? I think that's what that was, uh, famously?

• 5:38Speaker 00

  6502, it's true.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  You should be able to just go write to 6502 assembly and just be like, super hardcore. It's like, "Yeah, I go TypeScript to 6502, tell me, what do you do?"

• 5:44Speaker 03

  What do you compile it to?

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Or you're compiling it to JavaScript? That doesn't make sense. That's not even anything that can get run by a CPU.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  Apparently it's 6510 is what they're trying to tell me.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's a more modern than...

• 5:58Speaker 00

  Other people are saying 6502. I don't know. Don't listen to chat.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  I have no idea, although I did have a Commodore 64 back in the day. I was too young and dumb to have any idea what like, what even a chip was, so that didn't matter. But, uh, what I was gonna say is, I would be shocked if you couldn't find like, LLVM like, 6502 backend. Like, that almost certainly is a thing, right? Like...

• 6:20Speaker 00

  It probably is.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  The problem is that TypeScript probably by default, if you do a compilation without really like, setting things up exactly, it probably outputs a binary that is like, so, like a hundred times larger than the C64's memory space, so that's gonna be a problem. But if you could figure out how to get TypeScript to just compile like, just itself, you might be able to learn some... Yeah, right. No.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  Casey does not seem like he believes.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  You never know.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Sixty-four K is very small, guys. It's not.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Sixty-four K? I think for sixty-four thousand dollars, we probably could find a computer that could do it, Casey.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, Casey. It's like, I mean, I can just do it on my regular computer. I don't even need that much, that much K's.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 7:08Speaker 00

  And plus, by the way, kids call it sixty-four bands these days. They don't call it sixty-four K.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  No, stop. I'm gonna start saying that, oh my god.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  They call it sixty-seven K, but sure.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Casey, I already made, I made Prim a song today, and in the song, it talked about how the song would make him very sad. And how his hands were moving up and down on the keyboard, and then it was like Commodore sixty-four, more like Commodork sixty-seven.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Okay, so it also made the same joke.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  The AIs are working overtime.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  I wrote those lyrics, unfortunately.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Oh! Alright, I apologize.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  They were not good lyrics, but they were there.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  I did predict the future. I said it was gonna make Prime frown, and it did. So that was flawless execution.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Is that Terminal shirt?

• 7:54Speaker 03

  Trash, trash, trash, you like that?

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Is that what it is? I just saw.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  It is, it's coming out soon.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  I just assumed it was like an orange cursor. I was like, wait a minute. That's pretty sick.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Trash, thank you.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  It needs to be more, uh, the cursor needs to be more longer rectangularly. No?

• 8:10Speaker 03

  I don't know. I was thinking about that, but then I thought it would look really goofy.

• 8:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, if it got much longer, it would look very goofy.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, practically.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Right now, it's a little bit like, if you know, you know, trash. So it's kind of like, you know.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  I know, apparently I know, so, no.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Did you guys ever release the, like, video of you guys, like, on the boat in Miami?

• 8:30Speaker 03

  That's coming out soon, actually.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  It's funny you should say that.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  You say that every time I ask. Is it, is it really coming out soon?

• 8:34Speaker 03

  No, I haven't. I've been saying, I don't know what we're gonna do with it, but now I know what we're gonna do with it.

• 8:39Speaker 00

  And now we actually know what we're doing.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  It hasn't even been one, Trash.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I felt like it was like four years ago.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  Trash.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Was that last track, man?

• 8:46Speaker 03

  It's not even been a full year.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Oh, I think it's because I wasn't at the last React Miami, so I just assumed it was like the last.

• 8:53Speaker 03

  It's coming out soon.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Cause we're gonna go do some stuff at React Miami, most likely. This is a spoiler alert for some people, so we're gonna use it as some promo for the event.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Well, they already tweeted it that you guys are gonna be there.

• 9:04Speaker 03

  That's a great point, Trash.

• 9:06Speaker 00

  People already know we're coming. That's not a problem.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, good point.

• 9:11Speaker 00

  Alright, so hey, should we get started?

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm so ready. Slide.

• 9:15Speaker 00

  I wanna give you the intro, and then you guys go, "Yeah!"

• 9:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:20Speaker 00

  Alright, everybody, we're gonna do the most special intro of all time, which is Tej is gonna give the intro. TJ, give the intro!

• 9:29Speaker 03

  You guys have heard of Looped. Probably not, actually, but that was Scam Altman's first rug pull. Then he'd had OpenAI, and now he has WorldCoin, so we're gonna talk about that today.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Uh, anyways, I'm sorry.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Um, in case you don't know, you can look up the Looped fiasco. It's pretty wild.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  Actually scammed, too, by the way.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Actual Scam Altcoin. So, okay. Uh, this, this presentation is because a few weeks ago, I referenced the fact that a, such a thing called WorldCoin exists. Number one, you'd say, "That's the dumbest name you could give to anything. That sounds for sure like you're gonna steal things from people and destroy their lives." Um, but, that's okay. So then Casey and Trash both hadn't heard of it before, so I was like, "Okay, we gotta bring this to the slides. I gotta bring some facts and logic to this, uh, discussion here with, uh, some historical data." And I got even more weirded out by it after I did some real reading. So that's always fun for presentations. So, WorldCoin. Uh, this is a, a real thing.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Like, Sam Altman says, "Are you human?" Sam Altman wants to find out, like, Times Publishing it. This is from, hilariously from, WorldCoin's account, which it feels insane to post this picture.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Wow, does that picture not seem ominous and bad? They posted it, though.

• 10:59Speaker 00

  It looks like my bidet. It looks like, no, it looks like the, uh, the robots from Oblivion with Tom Cruise that go around and murder all the humans.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Trash, uh, there's a camera here. So this, you definitely do not want this to be a bidet. Let me just throw that out there.

• 11:12Speaker 00

  You'd be having a bad bidet if you had that.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 00

  Sorry.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  That's sick, bro. That's so good.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Well, this gets back to our fecal analysis, AI fecal analysis, which I think is something it could really excel at. I mean, already people are squeezing out a lot of things that could use fecal analysis with AI.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  Okay, so what actually is going on here? First off, I need to make a quick legal disclaimer. Everything I've learned about WorldCoin, I learned from ChatGPT. So if anything is wrong in this presentation, you can sue yourself, Sammy boy, okay? Checkmate AI. That's the first thing. I just need to get that legal disclaimer out of the way. Uh, because I don't want to get sued by the super mega corpse. Okay, great. That's, that's where we started.

• 11:59Speaker 00

  That's actually our first legal disclaimer of the stand-up. This is really good. We made it a year without it.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  See, when I bring the slides, I know that I need to do this.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  Hey, is that HTTP? Get that out of here. That's not how we order coffee. We order coffee via SSH terminal.shop. Yeah, you want a real experience? You want real coffee? You want awesome subscriptions so you never have to remember again? Oh, you want exclusive blends with exclusive coffee and exclusive content? Then check out Kron. You don't know what SSH is? Well, maybe the coffee's not for you.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  Here's my favorite, here's my favorite quote from ChatGPT about this. WorldCoin represents a collision of trends: crypto, biometrics, AI, and global inequality.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Escalated real fast.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  Has been a magnet for debate. So technically, Sam Altman himself said that. I think that's how that works. Uh, so that's, that was my favorite quote that ChatGPT generated while doing some research on this. So that's great.

• 13:12Speaker 00

  Can I just quick, quick question?

• 13:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course, of course.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Is that meant, is that meant to be like, it is gonna help cure global inequality? Or is it gonna help cause? The permanent underclass. Get your stuff together. We got three months.

• 13:26Speaker 03

  Yes, great.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Well, what's kind of interesting about it is it doesn't really say anything about what it's going to do. It's merely saying that it represents trends that already existed. Like, it's like, these are four things that already were in the world, and I named it WorldCoin, thereby representing them, I guess. And we're about to find out, perhaps, what special features of WorldCoin make it uniquely representative of these trends.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  It's got some unique real trends that are going on here. So, all right. This, I'm pretty sure this is a reenactment of how the company started. So, Sam, "Hey, guys, AI is going to be so good, you won't be able to tell who's a human."

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  Weirdly enough, I also have a product to fix this problem, which is not a conflict of interest, by the way. So, we need proof of human, right? That's where Sam starts. Casey, of course, dropped in with a quick, "We still need proof that you are human."

• 14:28Speaker 01

  True, true. I was literally just going to say that.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Did you do the exact same pose too? Were you like, "Wait a minute"?

• 14:37Speaker 03

  I pre-watched. I pre-watched my own presentation, chat. I knew what Casey was gonna say, and I had it.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Literally, I was going to be like, "Is this just the way that Sam is desperately trying to get on the human blockchain? So, he can be like, "I'm really, I'm human, guys, I promise." They're like, "We don't believe you. No one believes you."

• 14:55Speaker 03

  "Oh, yeah? Well, then, check my world ID." Okay. So, Sam says, "Anyway, give me all your personal biometric data. I'm great with data."

• 15:07Speaker 02

  True.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  To which Andris and Horowitz says, "Ha, okay, here's $25 million. Call me later if you need some more."

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  He's gonna be returning later. "Also, a quick Reid Hoffman investment at the beginning, dude, that'd be sick. We never figured out how to tell if people were bots on my site, so this could be helpful." LinkedIn founder, okay? Because you cannot tell that those are not bots. All right. So, they get $25 million, and they start a company called Tools for Humanity. All right.

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Sounds like the company that makes Cards Against Humanity.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Yes, it does.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  Probably a better name for this, but unfortunately, that's the real name. From a recent... Uh, I don't know what you'd call YouTube video, you could say. Uh, they announced what their simple plan is to build a human network. Number one, before we get to number one, actually, the phrase human network has to be terrifying when you hear a big Texio say that. So that's just take it for itself.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  It reminds me of human centipede a little bit.

• 16:09Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like I'm thinking like, oh, we plug the humans together like mouth to butt kind of thing.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. So basically they need an anonymous way to get proof of human. Then they're going to distribute ownership of the network. Then they're going to scale and decentralize continuously.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  Then they're going to use it to make the benefits of AI accessible to everyone. You'd say, how is that going to happen? Oh, there's a lot of hand waving after the first one. Okay. Uh, my favorite quote from this presentation, though, is when the co-founder of Tools for Humanity says that the thing Sam Altman really brings, really his greatest contribution was just, he kept telling us, we need more scale. And a direct quote from Sam Altman is, when in doubt, scale it up. From this presentation, that's what he said.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  I have a question.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  What? Yes.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Who is this person? Who is the person in that, like, that's not Sam Altman?

• 17:14Speaker 03

  It's not. This is Alex. I forgot his last name. He's the, he's currently the one who's actually running the company. Apparently Sam is.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  This is still exists.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  He's the fall guy. Casey, just wait, just wait.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  This guy looks very serious.

• 17:28Speaker 03

  That you won't, okay. So, uh, Tools for Humanity, emphasis my own. So it's founded in 2019, right? Their first round of funding, A16Z Coastal Ventures, Reid Hoffman. So they're saying, right, AI is going to flood the internet with bots. We're not going to be able to figure it out. So we need a way to actually show that the person you're interacting with is in fact a real human. Um, and also UBI.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  I'm not joking you. They start the company for UBI because Sam is saying, I'm gonna take all of your jobs because my AI is so good. I'm so good at AI. We're gonna take all of your jobs. You're gonna need money and the only way to do it is from my separate company that has a cryptocurrency. Okay?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 18:14Speaker 03

  So how are they going to prove that people are people? World ID. So how do they do that? The Orb. The first picture that I showed at the beginning.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Okay, no, no, no. Are you, wait, is this, are you, this is not happening.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  And that's what I'm saying. First off, guys, stop naming everything ominous. Okay, why, why would you call it The Orb? It's just.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  I got a question. I got a question.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Why'd they call it Palantir? There's a, like, basically the same question.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  Palantir was actually a pretty good one because it allows you to see in distant lands and all that. That's actually, that was pretty clever.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  But it's evil. It's evil. That's the point.

• 18:53Speaker 00

  It may be evil, but at least it's more clever because most people don't know Palantir. That's a very Lord of the Rings reference. Uh, but, uh, my mom doesn't know what that is. Uh, but second, I do have one problem with this entire hypothesis. Which is that the problems of AI truly can only be solved with more AI. Like, that's what I've been led to believe.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  That's a good point.

• 19:12Speaker 00

  This, this whole, like, strategy's blown my mind right now.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  That's a good point.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  I'm sure we're getting to that part, though. I'm sure we're getting to the AI part, Prime. There's gonna be some AI in here somewhere.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Yes. This is like if I started a company, this is what I would do.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  And that, that's a diss on myself. That's how bad this is.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Okay, so what does the Orb do? You go to it and you get your eyeball scanned and they get a unique, because your eyeball is unique like a fingerprint, right? Your iris.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  Also like an anus print. Also unique.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Whoa, what?

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, sphincter scanning.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, sorry. Can you, uh, back it up a bit there?

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Prime can save that for his own slides. I don't want that as part of my presentation.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  So are you saying the three things we can scan of a human? Is their finger, their eye, and their ass? Is that? Is that?

• 20:08Speaker 03

  Do we, quick question on each of those? Do identical twins have the same ones for all of, all three of the above?

• 20:16Speaker 02

  There's only one way to find out.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  My question is where can we stick this orb? So can this, can you put your finger on this orb, then put your eye on this orb, then put your ass on this orb? Hopefully in that order to avoid conjectivitis.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  Triple verification. Yeah, just don't be second.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. We, don't worry, we wipe it off with a, with an alcohol swab.

• 20:34Speaker 00

  With the, with the cords where he's just like, put this in your mouth. Put this in your, oh wait, put this in your mouth, put this in your butt.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:42Speaker 02

  I volunteer for beta testing.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Okay, thanks, trash.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  You're welcome.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Does it have a rumble pack? For the orb?

• 20:51Speaker 02

  Is that from Nintendo 64?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Different, different big C, big tech product. Okay, so.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  Um, so you have this orb, it scans your iris, it gives you a unique identifier. That unique identifier is your world ID, okay? Then, what can you do with your world ID? We're gonna get to that, but quickly, Casey, if you want, right now, you can sign up to become a community operator of the orbs and you can get one sent to yourself. Today.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Please tell me Prime has done this and will have a stream where he scans people's eyes.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  I thought about trying to do this, but I'm too scared to touch one and exist in the same room as one.

• 21:32Speaker 00

  How much, how much money do you need to have that, that?

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Oh, that's the best part. Let's get to the next section, Prime.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Two world coins.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  World coin, it's a cryptocurrency, okay?

• 21:43Speaker 00

  Naturally.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  How do you get it?

• 21:45Speaker 00

  Love it.

• 21:45Speaker 03

  How do you get it? There's a few ways you can get world coin. Number one, you can get world coin by scanning your iris. That will give you free world coin. Um, so you can get that deposited into your world ID or associated with your world ID in your world wallet. Okay? Another way that you can get world coin is by scanning other people, so.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Wait, what? No, no, no, no, no.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go to the mall and just start scanning everybody.

• 22:15Speaker 00

  But no, no, this is illegal, right?

• 22:17Speaker 03

  No, no, no, see, so let me just draw this out.

• 22:20Speaker 00

  Oh, it's a, it's an affiliate code.

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  So it's kind of like, at the top of this, right? We put Sam at the top, up here, right? Okay, and then he sends you an orb. So see how orbs, they're round? They're not triangular. So that's what makes it not a pyramid scheme.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  Orb scheme, got it.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  And you sign up, people, and you get coins and they get coins. Thus completing each of these, and it kind of goes out like this, but there's circles in the middle. So it's not, it's not a pyramid scheme, okay? That's how you know, because there's orbs, and orbs are not triangles.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Is there such a thing as Ponzi AI?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Ponzi AI? That's, I think that's the alt ticker for this account.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Ponzi?

• 23:07Speaker 03

  A Ponzi tree. They're growing it big time.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  That's exactly what I was thinking.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  And pruning as well.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Okay, so, do you actually do, wherever it's legal? Because some places it's not legal to do this, believe it or not. Get cryptocurrency whenever you do this action. Obviously, some places, that's illegal. You can't just give people this and have it, uh, go out of the system and blah, blah, blah. We'll get to that, there's some stuff going on there. Obviously, all of this happening on the world chain. They've got their own blockchain built on Ethereum L2. Also, they call it the superchain system. Once again, I just have to say, why does everything have to sound so obviously like a rug pull? Do they have no one on their team that thinks of better names than the superchain system? I don't know.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Having seen many OpenAI presentations, I can guarantee you that if it's the same group of people, no, they don't.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  Good point, good point. The people who named their models the most confusing things ever known to man, no one knows why different models have the different names. Okay, so then what? What do we have here, right? Um...

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Hold on, hold on, people, we actually have some questions from the crowd.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Multiple people have expressed a doubt that this is, this is just like a fake story. Is this real, PJ?

• 24:24Speaker 03

  Uh, I have pictures, I have proof coming up. As far as I know, I mean, I saw, I watched them do a demo where they have the orb, and like, Sam Altman comes out on stage, and they're demoing Orb V3 within the last year, because they built a new one.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  What if I just pulled an orb out from like, to the side of my camera? And just like, is this real?

• 24:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, Josh is like, oh, it's real, boys.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  I will sacrifice myself and get an orb, we'll see what happens.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  Um, okay. So then they have an app, right? The app is how you deal, you get your world ID so you can verify who you are. But the app also has a bunch of other stuff on it. You can, of course, send world coin to other people. Nice. And transact with the crypto. You can, they have these, they're called mini apps. So they're apps inside of their world. They have a marketplace for apps. As far as I can tell, every single one is a scam. Uh, when I looked at them, they were all, they were all win free world. Win free world coin. I'm like, that's, okay, that's crazy, whatever. Or.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  And like, what are you gonna do with it? Well, you're gonna get more world coin. That's it.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  You can also do prediction markets on it. I'm pretty sure which like same thing. So, okay. Uh, and now they have texting. So it's very advanced. You can text each other. Okay. And you know it's the other person because it's a world ID.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Is all of these world messages stored forever on the blockchain?

• 25:48Speaker 03

  I don't, I, that's a great question. I did not, I did not figure out exactly how, uh, that part works. Crazily enough, within the past year, they added the ability to receive your paycheck within this situation. Denominated in USDC, right? Which is the stablecoin associated with US dollars. Okay. So that's a common way that crypto bros interface with what we like to call reality.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Are there companies that are actually doing that? Like giving paychecks or?

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Great question, trash. No idea. Probably scammers, people who can't pay you in real money. Yes. Okay.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Pay, can we put paychecks in quotes on this slide? Probably should have had some quotes on that one.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Go back and update that. Okay. So then you can also have prediction markets on it. Very cool. That's what everybody's doing these days. Betting with my iris UBI, PogChamp. The, the future everyone wanted. I have my UBI that I had to sell my personal data for. I'm gonna bet that money. Okay. Uh, believe it or not, this is real. This is real.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 26:50Speaker 03

  Match group, the people that own Tinder and Hinge and all these other ones. You can verify yourself with your world ID to prove that you're a real human and not a catfishing bot. That's AI. Okay, so that's here right now, apparently announced. I don't know. I've never opened Tinder or Hinge. Fortunately, I got married before those apps existed, which is very nice. Very happy about that.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  But yeah, so they're just like inside of Tinder and other stuff. Now you can you can verify that you're a person here. Okay, so this is kind of the pitch, right, is that they're doing this.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Is there a way to click a button that says, anyone who stuck their anus into Sam Altman's orb? I do not want to see their dating profile because I would like that. If you fell for WorldCoin, I do not want to date you. Would be the very first button I would push on this app if it existed. It's like a self-selecting exclusion policy.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  As far as I know, that's not, but that does seem like a kind of P1 feature that they should be prioritizing.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Or the other way around would be good, too. Like if you want to find a very gullible date who you can basically just tell whatever you want to and they'll believe you. It could be like, hey, give me one of those WorldCoin people because I got, you know, I want to tell them about how I graduated from Harvard University. And I'm a Fortune 500 CEO and I want them to just believe it without actually looking at any information.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  I'm best friends with Sam. Okay, so this is obviously, that's what they're shooting for with world ID is you can go and verify like, hey, I have this world app on my phone. And I can verify that I'm at least a person or something like that and do that. Okay, obviously, this is controversial. Duh. Okay, because you're scanning your eyeballs and giving your data to the guy who is the craziest data hoarder of all time. And lied to a lot of people before about he's in it for the love of the game, etc. So it's controversial. There's some other controversies that we're going to get to as we go a little further. Supposedly, I'm just trying to be fair in the interest of fairness.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  They don't save any of your raw biometric data. So supposedly after the machines hash it, they delete everything and it gets deleted from the orb itself.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  And then there, yeah, go ahead.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Uh, just a quick one. This is a very quick one. Uh, one of the big problems with crypto is obviously losing your, uh, uh, your like private key. What happened if you lose your eyeballs?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Then you have different problems at that point.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, you also lose your crypto key.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  Well, so after prime, after you scan your eyeball, you don't have to go back to the orb every time. You have it like saved to your phone inside of World App as like the private key. But how would you regain it again if you lost your eyeballs in the middle and, uh, your phone? I guess you'd be locked out of the World Coin.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Better question on the accessibility front. What about someone who just doesn't have eyes?

• 29:56Speaker 03

  They, they aren't people, according to Sam Altman.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  It's kinda sounds that way a little bit.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, no, sorry. That, that's where the anal scan.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  It's a sphincter.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  That's how the sphincter, that's why we have developed sphincter scan technology. Yeah.

• 30:10Speaker 03

  We have, we have other options apparently. Okay.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Pucker print.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  So.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Oh my God, Trash, is this why you're so into B days? Because you have to like use the orb won't scan properly if it's not. Yeah.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  I meant to clean buttholes. That's what I meant to.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  My own, I mean, not anyone else's.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Okay, so just quick. Uh, this is my turn where I'll voice some of my own opinions. That's why we have the tinfoil hat. Just a few of my own quick, uh, privacy concerns. Uh, unlike passwords, you can't change your iris. So if something ever happens and like, hey, you get hacked or someone gets a hold of your phone or other things. I don't understand what you're supposed to do next. Right? Like, it's not like when you leak a password, your only password, at least you could make a new only password. Right? In, in this scenario, I don't, I don't understand how that goes. Um, the hash is like forever. So what happens there? Um, this is one of the big problems. We're going to get into this a little bit.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  World.org, Tools for Humanity, just went around to a bunch of places and basically scanned, Casey, get ready for this, millions of people, we're gonna get to the exact numbers soon, and it just seems unlikely to me that they properly informed everyone about what they were doing and what the people were offering in trade for the 25 to 50 USD that they were getting in WorldCoin. That just strikes me as not that likely, okay?

• 31:51Speaker 03

  And also, you cannot buy world.org and not be evil. It has to happen that way. It's just called nominative determinism. You can't do anything about it. It's very Orwellian.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  And they literally made their last video, the video where Sam and Alex together are talking, called "A New World."

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Okay, rest my case. Alright, so there we go. We'll take that off. We'll continue on. We'll get a few more facts here. How come we not subscribed?

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  Guys, I didn't even smash the like button.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  You didn't even like and subscribe to WorldCoin?

• 32:25Speaker 03

  They didn't ask. Prime, they didn't ask. Oh, rookie mistake.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Rookie mistake, rookie mistake, yep. Speaking of that, anyone out there who isn't currently subscribed to this channel.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  True.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  I would highly encourage you to like and subscribe to the Primogen for all of the latest computing news and commentary from folks such as us, and of course, the Primogen, who isn't giving this presentation, but has been commenting on it. Continue.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  He has been, that's true. That was a good ad right there. Yeah, that was great. I love that. Watch this be our most, we'll go to the analytics, and I'm gonna check how many people subscribed on each of the videos. This one will be our highest.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Through the roof, baby. Through the roof.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  To the moon. That's what we say in the crypto world. Yeah, that's crypto. Crypto-coded.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  People are gonna be rubbing their orbs together and signing up for this channel.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Hoddle that WorldCoin, okay?

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Getting on Tinder.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  In the midst of all of this, Tools for Humanity has been saying, and this is Sam Altman's like original involvement, my understanding here is basically, hey, they do a lot of hand-waving here. They say, "AI is gonna be so productive, we're gonna have so much money, and everyone's gonna be poor and without jobs, and WorldCoin will let us do UBI."

• 33:40Speaker 03

  I cannot find any particular details about where the money will come from. Like is OpenAI sending them a monthly check to distribute our governments funding this? I don't know. They just say with WorldCoin, we'll be able to solve global inequality and give everybody money. And so I don't know how WorldCoin anticipates getting this money or Tools for Humanity getting this money. But it has been a core thing of what they've been talking about. They will do since the beginning of the orbs. From before they even went public. So I don't really understand that. Maybe someone from world.org can talk to Trash.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  I'm too scared to talk to you. Um, but Trash said he'd take one for the team, so I trust Trash to get that info out of him. Okay. Uh, what else? Uh, let's go a little history of the company, just so we can start getting a little sense of the scale of what the company is doing and what it's been up to lately. So as I said, Series A, they were like, we need to build an orb.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, gotta have that orb.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  Which does sound a little cool. Uh, they're making proof of personhood and they're gonna make a coin. And they made this coin and it's basically like 60% of the coins are for users, 15% for investors, 10-ish percent for the team, 10% for the ecosystem, something like this. That doesn't really add up to 100. So I don't know where the other coins went, but that's what they said. UBI. Yeah, UBI.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Well, they may have asked AI to generate this list and at that time that was about as good as it did for summing to 100, if I remember correctly.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Right. How many Rs in strawberry? They probably had GPT-3 work on this part.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  What does 10% for ecosystem and ops mean in practice? Like, meaning?

• 35:23Speaker 03

  I think that's funding new orbs, sending them to people and then giving it to the people operating orbs. As they scan new people.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Okay, so, so it's basically like the, the 10% uh, of those bonus tokens are being spent on ecosystem and ops. Not, we have a 10% pool of tokens that are used shuffled around as part of the infrastructure.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Right. That's my understanding. Yes.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  I don't do crypto stuff, so I just wanted to make sure I understood what was going on there.

• 35:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, that's totally fine.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Understood in very light.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  Yep, and so before 2023, they were not public, so they were not trading coins. Everyone just had to huddle on to their world coins. You couldn't do any transactions on the chain. So, early rollout. They're, but literally their pitch is, "Bro, bro, it's free crypto. Bro, it's free. You want it. I know you want it." "Bro, bro, bro, you definitely do. There's nothing sus about this. You want the crypto." So like, they go to a bunch of lower income areas across the world and offer them very low dollar amounts to harvest biometric data that normally they would have to pay way, way, way, way, way, way, way more for, right? So then basically like, they're just going all over the place. I loved this quote, you probably can't read this,

• 36:42Speaker 03

  but "Worldcoin claims its system could pave the way for an AI-funded, universal, basic income, but it's not clear how." Even the journalists are like, "Bro, how are we getting to UBI from here? Giving people $50 of coin one time is not UBI."

• 37:00Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, can you tell me what the, are these pictures real? They don't look real.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Casey, these are, so I didn't take the pictures, but I found real news articles on real news sites. And I do have some of the links. I can send some of them out later or something.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  These are, these pictures ran in an actual news story about Worldcoin.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  So, they're using poor, like, bad conversion rates effectively? Or good conversion rates, depending on which side of the conversion rate you're on.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  Good conversion rates for them, yep.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  And they're just using that as a way to manipulate people who are more in need of money to harvest their biometrics, to prove to people that they have a lot of users, to thus give the people who invested the 15%, I think it was, to be able to have the investors have coin go up, to thus ultimately rug at the very end.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  So, Prime, that's also different because this is the token. There's the Tools for Humanity company, which is a separate thing from the coin. So they also own part of the original company, right? Which is doing its own thing and it's making apps and could collect fees or other things like that. Separately, there's this cryptocurrency, right? Which they sort of like own and manage and run, but they have a whole company that the people bought into. We'll talk a little bit more about that later as we progress through history.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  But to be fair, Prime, I would interject there that this is still better treatment than OpenAI gave to artists and authors who got nothing. They just stole the work directly and gave them nothing in return. And literally in their actual USPTO position paper, which I assume is not part of this particular presentation because it's OpenAI and that world coin. It literally just says like, I don't know, maybe the government should give them UBI. At least here they're taking some responsibility for the UBI. OpenAI was just like, you know what? I think we should steal everything and someone else should pay for it as our business model. Literally just put that in print. That is what it says in the paper.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Like there is no...

• 39:06Speaker 03

  That was their defense.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  There's no defense. It's just like, that's what we think should happen. You're like, well, you know, maybe, maybe, uh, yeah, well, we'll save my comments on that for a later date.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  I have a question. Couldn't I take a picture? Can I take a picture off the internet of someone and scan their eyeballs into my orb?

• 39:24Speaker 01

  No, only if you had your own orb.

• 39:26Speaker 00

  Oh, you'd have to be able to trick the orb. So if you could AI generate a high-quality enough eyeball, theoretically, you could have a high-quality AI generation of an eyeball tricking people to say you're a human.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  It probably wouldn't even have to be a high-quality picture of an eyeball. It could probably be whatever you, if you had your own orb and could test it, you could probably determine how to generate patterns it thinks are eyeballs close enough to generate a hash and be done.

• 39:53Speaker 00

  Oh, I love it.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  I don't know. I think it does more than take a static picture. I'm sure it does a bunch of stuff that is actually technically impressive because they probably have like a legit thing that like flashes lights and does other stuff and your eyes supposed to respond and do things, but I don't really know. I did not do a deep dive on exactly how the hardware works, iris scans, blah, blah, blah. But anyways, that's fine. Um, okay. So these, so just to be clear.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  From my research, when I was doing this, this is from real articles where they actually said this is from real world coin things around the world. This is not AI generated or something else. So, okay. Uh, so, early, early on, they're not doing public rollout yet. It's, uh, roughly 20 countries. They deploy like 500 orbs and they get almost half a million people scanned by 2022. Okay. Now, 2022, you might say that's a while ago. Oh yeah, they've been cooking for a while now, Casey, and they're still cooking today. Uh, what happens next? They launch in 2023 with nearly 2 million people scanned. Right? And this is a direct quote from a news, uh, news article announcement about that at the time of 2 million users in their testing phase.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  They've scanned those people. They have their iris data. They are world ID'd out of their mind.

• 41:13Speaker 03

  By the end of 2023, 3 million, and middle 2024, almost 7 million people. Okay, 7 million people scanned. Uh, wait, is this still happening? Cause I knew, Casey, this would be your question. Sure enough, that's in San Francisco. The United States of America, San Francisco. Is that a nose ring? Wait, is that a real ad? Great point. I don't know. Jan 2025, 10 million, 12 million. Nearly 18 million people just a few weeks ago, Casey. Just a month ago. Okay, and apparently you can also still get the app without getting verified. They have like passport ways that you can like do your passport with NFC and some other stuff and kind of like still get a world ID without scanning.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  I don't know. That seems weird to me too, to give them your passport, but whatever. So, they have 2 billion opens. So they track every time you open the app, of course, because they gotta know everything about you. Um, so, but that 17 and a half million is people who did the orb. They went and got their eyeball scanned for real and got a world ID. Uh, across multiple different news reports here. Okay? How many orbs is that now? How many orbs? I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know how many orbs they have out there.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  Uh, so this is from the recent orb that just went out and Casey, as you predicted, there is some AI going on in the system. I don't know why, but they got the Nvidia Jetson in that bad boy now. Five X the AI performance in the orbs, orbs have to have AI. They're building it in Texas, uh, and they're like, I mean, we could go look up, we could do a deep dive on the hardware. Supposedly what's out there is open source and they're doing everything there, but there you go. So they are making them right now. Like as we speak, they're making them Casey. Okay.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  Let's go over their money situation throughout that time. Like I said, 25 million at the beginning. 2022, a year before they go public, they raised a hundred millies, just a casual hundred mil. That was for growth. So they could go over and that's right. How they're starting to scan. You know, millions of people across the world. They raise again in 2023 around their public launch. Another hundred fifteen million dollars primarily for R and D and making more orbs. They gotta make more orbs.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  Morbs.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Morbs. It's morbin time. Um.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  That's honestly, that's a little bit morbid.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Oh dude, how is their slogan not it's orbin time?

• 43:51Speaker 03

  It's orbin time. Um, we actually have a company that it, that is almost their thing. We're going to get to that Casey too, because it gets better. Of course it gets better. Um, so then in 2025, it's, it wasn't a raise, but they put world public to be able to sold to like institutional backers. So a bunch of big institutional people bought a ton of world coin. So that basically like a lot of these big institutions own a significant amount of world coin in their wallets. Right? So that is not equity in tools for humanity. That's a separate thing. Uh, but they do have a significant stake now in world coin, which is basically like, I didn't know you, it's almost like a derivative of the company in a way, right? Because

• 44:36Speaker 03

  world coin's useless if like tools for humanity doesn't do anything. Right? Go ahead, Prime. Yep.

• 44:43Speaker 00

  So that must mean that they believe that there will minimally be a pump. Cycle in the coin, because why would anyone buy the, you know, the coin and versus like being able to invest into the company?

• 44:55Speaker 03

  Exactly right. Yes. So they spent a lot of money on this too. So like, I mean, on this page, right? At least basically a quarter of a billion dollars for equity and then another 130 million dollars for coin purchases from institutional locations. Okay. So that's, uh, they, they did a lot of money, a lot of money, uh, for the company and you can tell the money's still happening. That's, that's within the last year. They sold 135 million world coin to people. Okay.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  So today, all right. I just looked this up today, took a screenshot, a million transactions on the world coin chain. World chain right now. They got 130 K different wallets opening up apparently. And Casey, you're gonna love this. Razer, everybody's favorite place to log in. I get my mouse plugged into my computer and it says, bruh, you can't use that. You gotta log in. So they said, sick. What would be worse than logging into my Razer account? Get your eyeball scanned by scam Alpin.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  You know that Razer is gonna be like the first people to ship, uh, off of the open source orbs back. They're gonna have some like, it's gonna be all black with like a green glow.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  RGB.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Right. And, and you're gonna like, hold it up to your eye and it's gonna like, you know, be all, it's gonna be all have all like chromed out and stuff.

• 46:21Speaker 03

  Yes. It's literally drink your verification can, like a Mountain Dew is what they're asking you to do like, hey, uh, prove that you're a person. Anyway, so that's real. Uh, also, if you wanna go get scanned, Casey, here's one in San Francisco. Flagship locations. And also I just love that these were right next to each other, a Razer store in Orlando. You can go get your world coin.

• 46:45Speaker 00

  Coast to coast. That's all the way across America right there.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Yep, coast to coast, baby. There's 32 locations in the US where you can go get your eyeball scanned. Fantastic. I'm sure one of them is downtown Seattle. Or yesterday. I think I got that info. I screenshotted that one yesterday. Uh, like I said, this is sort of just, I mentioned, you can get world ID credentials somehow with like these NFC enabled passwords, not NFT, although that would be sick too, uh, since we're already in the scam world. Uh, but yeah, like apparently your US one, you can do that too.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  Aren't these technically NFTs? These are non-fungible tokens. That is your ID.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  That's a great point.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Um, okay. So I just wanted to show this graph. This is a very funny story of a company associated with this. This is a company called, oh no, I've literally lost the name here. Um, EightCo, EightCo, it's called EightCo. And it was a packaging e-commerce company that was literally dying. You can see it right here. And somehow in September 2025, they announced, yeah, we got $250 million. Uh, they were, the revenue before this was like, I don't know, $4 million or something like that. So I don't know how they did this pivot, legendary pivot. Um, they bought an insane amount of world coin. What?

• 48:11Speaker 03

  They, this is, this is their ticker for the last year. Like this is, this is their actual ticker. They changed their name to Orbs. Their ticker is now Orbs. I'm not joking you. That's what I said, Casey. They should say it's Orban time. They did it. They changed their name to Orbs. And they bought an insane amount of orb coin. And then I don't know why, I don't know how anyone thought this was good. Uh, they don't own any of the company. They just bought an insane amount of world coin. I don't know. I don't know how they got the 250 million or what happened, but there you go. Um, so there's that. Uh, some future plans, I'm pretty sure. Uh, revel, wait a second. I'm not supposed to show this slide. I don't think Sam wanted this one public.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  Uh, one, in case you, Mark of the Beast joke, sorry.

• 49:00Speaker 00

  You had to at least make one Mark of the Beast joke, right?

• 49:02Speaker 03

  You have to make one Mark of the Beast joke. Also, did you like the slide? I was really proud of the slide anyways. Okay, uh, WorldCoin can, this is just for the crypto bros out there. Um, WorldCoin can never be mainstream because it's an altcoin. Sam Altman made it. Anyways, there you go. That's the presentation about WorldCoin. Casey, do you have any questions about it?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know that I do have any questions about it. It, in a way, it does sound like exactly, if you were like, take everything you know about OpenAI. And they're going, the same people are going to be like involved in a cryptocurrency. What would it look like? It pretty much is that, just from, from start to finish, right? Like, like every last thing was like, yep, that sounds about like what they would do, right? And, uh, and it even has the same sort of thing to it, which is like,

• 50:06Speaker 01

  OpenAI is like, starts with this sort of suggestion that it's going to be like, uh, AI that will be open sourced and like to allow people to have access to it so that it doesn't become controlled by big corporations and all that stuff. It ends up as like a complete money grubbing, like scam based, like we're just taking tons of investment money. And as we like lose more and more market share to other AI companies, we just kind of like, we'll say whatever and do whatever and put ads in it and, you know, who knows, right? This kind of feels similarly, right? It's like, we started out with this thing of this idea, like, let's prove that humans are humans and allow them to have basic universal income. Or universal basic income.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  I love that as a second point.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Right, and all that stuff. And then like, what's it gonna end up as? Like, another cryptocurrency scam, right? Like, it follows the exact same arc of like, oh, it turns out, we don't know, like, it turns out that just writing stuff down on a piece of paper about what you want to do in the world so that you feel like a good person is meaningless. Like, you have to actually make something that makes the world better to make the world better. You can't just say that that's what you're doing and then feel good about yourself, or you shouldn't. And like, there's a reason that people don't like Sam Altman and OpenAI. And it's because what you do, how you present things, the effect that you create on the actual world, is perceived by humans who are actually looking at it.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  And they sense what it really is and not what you said it was. And it's very hard to talk your way out of that, especially if you're like, only semi-human, like, when you talk, right?

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, Casey, how did you know that they're humans, though, without a world ID?

• 51:49Speaker 01

  That's a very good question.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  Good question.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  So I feel like this feels a lot like that, where you're just like, okay, guys, you did it twice. Like, this is the same thing again, and it's probably gonna go exactly the same way. But I guess it remains to be seen. Like, we'll see what happens with WorldCoin in the coming years. Can't wait. Can't wait.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  I feel like I haven't heard anything about it.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  Really? I've heard, I've heard like whispers about it. I haven't, the Tinder one I saw just a couple of weeks ago, because I know, that was like a, that was kind of a shocking thing, but I have, here's my problem, is that when the loop, when Sam Altman did looped, he blatantly lied to people. Uh, I don't know how it didn't, I don't, I have, I literally have no idea how he did not end up in prison for that one. Like, I, this is, it's like Elizabeth Holmes, if you lied but you didn't hurt individuals, instead you just screwed a company. So I guess that's okay.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  Brian, don't give too many spoilers. You should do a looped presentation.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  I should.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  I'm not in the loop on this.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  If you're out of the looped on this one, it's like, when you see it, you go, oh, my gosh, he's just a full, like, he literally is a rug puller.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  That's your next presentation.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  Okay, we could do that. And then, so then he goes from that. Goes into OpenAI, which is just like very obviously breaking intellectual property. Even if you don't believe intellectual property is good, you can minimally say that if someone writes Harry Potter, someone else shouldn't just be able to sell it on behalf of them, be like, "I copied and pasted it, it's mine now." Right? Like, you shouldn't do, that should not exist in some sort of form.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  You can take the morality out of it and just say, "It's the law."

• 53:19Speaker 00

  It is the law.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  It's just illegal. If you want it to be a different way, then change the law. But it is currently seems to be kind of illegal.

• 53:26Speaker 00

  If I were to do that, I would face probably fines, if not jail time. Like, I'm thinking of that guy, I forget where he was at, that with Nintendo, he did some sort of, um, what's it called, emulator slash some sort of like, uh, I forget, boot, some sort of, some sort of override, whether it was with physical hardware or just in an emulator. And he got sentenced to prison for stealing. And so, because he was stealing all these things. And so, when I look at this, then it's like, OpenAI, the next thing it's found on is lies about whether it's being open or not. And then followed up with just actual sheer, like, unprecedented amount of stealing. Probably the person, he is the biggest stealer of all time. I'm not sure, like, I think you could probably say that him or Dario or one of these AI people,

• 54:11Speaker 00

  they have stolen more than anyone else has ever stolen in the universe. Like, they are the number one stealer. So then to be like, "Okay, now just let me have control of all of your IDs." It's just like, "Bro, this is, you have a history of just like the most scammiest things in the universe, and then you're gonna do this, this feels, it feels very upsetting."

• 54:29Speaker 01

  You know, I was having, I had the discussion like this with someone just recently, actually. And it was prompted by the fact that you've got like a bunch of things now where like Jensen Huang and Sachin Adella and people like that have come out and sort of like expressed like dismay or surprise that the public has anti-AI sentiment. And what's really interesting about that is it's like...

• 54:57Speaker 01

  I'm not sure how you behave this way and then expect otherwise, right? Like, like, people know, they remember that, like, people were going to, to, like, get prosecuted by the MPAA for, like, sharing songs on the internet. Yes, people went to jail, like, full-ass jail for years. Some people in the tech community remember that Aaron Swartz, after being prosecuted for downloading and making available a scientific publications library, okay? That's a real thing that happened in the world. And yet somehow, right? We have now all seen that if you are just in control of enough money and have enough

• 55:39Speaker 01

  connections, that reaper never comes knocking at your door. And that is not really, like, people are right to feel upset about that and think that that's something very wrong with structure. If everyone was just always allowed to do all these things, then maybe it wouldn't feel like that. But we know that this is a, like, very two-tiered system, and that's really upsetting, and it should be. Like, they should, if anything, corporations should be held to higher standards of conduct than individuals because they are larger and more powerful generally. So, when an individual steals something, that's bad. When a corporation steals something, it's very, very bad, right?

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Because they have institutional controls for it, they have control of a lot of money. Like, of the people who should never be stealing things, corporations are number one, right? And everyone else is- It takes collusion. It takes more than one person typically. It takes collusion, it takes, like, uh, it, it, uh, means that there is an entity with a tremendous amount of connections and power who's doing it, not some random kid who, like, logged on to Pirate Bay, right? And so, when you look at that, you know, just ethically and morally, and you just ask the question, like, how are people gonna feel when they see these behaviors? It's pretty clear, right? And so, for these people to kind of get up and- I don't even think they're pretending. Like, I think somehow they really don't understand that.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  It's shocking to me that they are shocked. Like, I'm like, how do you have so little understanding of humanity and maybe like so little humanity yourself? That you don't understand why people are very upset about that? Especially because a lot of the work you were stealing was made by exactly the kind of people who couldn't have gotten away with what you did. The average, random artist out there is barely making a living. And if they did this kind of widespread theft, they would be prosecuted, right? If they went and stole all the designs for Nvidia's hardware and fabbed them themselves and said, "Well, it's better for humanity because I'm making cheaper chips" or something, no one would believe these stories. And yet, when these companies do it,

• 57:52Speaker 01

  we're just expected to sit here and go, "Oh, that's fine." It doesn't work that way. And like, I'm really glad that people are upset and I hope they continue to be upset. That's why I've said many times. Because this is really not good. And it's weird to me that like... It's weird to me that they don't understand that, right?

• 58:07Speaker 00

  I can speak a little bit to that. You know, you should be able to understand this. You're in Seattle or outside of Seattle. You're Seattle area. When you surround yourself with like a homogenous, like, group think, people are always shocked that there's like some other viewport of life. Like, I remember at Netflix, we had this huge problem with performance. TV was always really crappy. And so we forced people like, "Hey, you gotta like use Roku Sugarland," I think was the name of it. That was his like code name or something. It was like a low-power device. And people used it and like the next day they're like, "I will never use that again. That was the worst experience in the universe." It's just like, yeah, that's what a lot of people experience. Like, let's take a step back and realize that like there's DVD players and all that.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  They could not comprehend of a world where you're like, "No, you just buy a new TV."

• 58:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, why don't they just have the newest TV? I mean, you just go, it's at the store. Just buy a new...

• 59:00Speaker 00

  Could they not get to the store? Like, was there a problem with the store? And yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  No, it's very strange, right? It's like, I just, I don't, I don't know. I wish I understood it better because I, I don't travel in elite enough circles to like, go talk to someone like Jensen Huang personally, right? But I would love to be able to do that. Like, I'd love to be able to sit down and just go, like, say what I just said and say like, can you explain to me why you don't understand the reaction? Like, like, it's one thing also to, to say that you understand the reaction and you're trying to like, explain it away, right? But they literally appear like they don't understand why this would be the case, which is, which is super bizarre, right?

• 59:48Speaker 03

  It's also like, the rhetoric. Yeah, well, the rhetoric is also like, guys, AI is gonna take your job.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:55Speaker 03

  You guys don't like this?

• 59:57Speaker 01

  They announced it too! They're like, they're like, we just laid up, like, Amazon's like, we're laying off these people. And even if it had nothing to do with AI, that's often mentioned. And I assume it's mentioned because they want to convince other people to use AI. So they're trying to say like, we just won't need as many people because we have AI, right? And you're like, what is wrong with you? Like, how are you in, like, Amazon? How are you a vendor of AI technology? Who clearly therefore has a vested interest in the public thinking that this is a good thing? And you're saying that in your announcement? What is wrong, like, you, it's so weird. And like, someone has to explain to me at some point, how are these people this detached from even understanding reality, not necessarily participating in it? Like, I realize that they don't have to worry because they themselves can't be affected.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  They already have the money and it's fine for them, but...

• 1:00:48Speaker 00

  Trash, what were you gonna say?

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  I was gonna say a lot of things, but the conversation keeps making different turns. So we're gonna have to say this.

• 1:00:55Speaker 00

  Go back, go as far back as you want, Trash. Say whatever you want to say, Trash, let it out.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  No, I was gonna say initially, uh, at least this is the classic case of where we create our own problems and then we create tools to fix those problems. So they kind of have like a infinite money glitch. They have an infinite money glitch. Yeah, exactly. So it's like something we all experience ourselves. So they're building, they're building a tool that fixes something that AI caused. Now there's gonna be another something that comes out after this WorldCoin to fix like, WorldCoin, I don't know, validation or something. And then it's just gonna keep going and going and like, to Casey's point.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Finally, we'll figure it out.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. But to like, to Casey's point, like, this elite group, like, through... It's unfortunate, but in my eyes, like, I always see them as untouchable. And it's like, very obvious if you look at America today. We have like this group of people that you just like, no matter what you do, you could just get away with it. And it's just like, very like soul sucking and disappointing. And this is like a very much like, again, I don't know.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  A little secret?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Not just America.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I know.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  I'll just give you a little.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Just a little history lesson? But we do it bigger and better than every other country. Number one, America, number one. Number one.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Freedom units. Oh my, I'm sorry. I forgot what I was gonna say now. He threw me off.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  Sorry, sorry.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  No, but anyways, like with WorldCoin, yeah, I don't, like, can you even actually use that anywhere today? Like, I don't know. I'm not saying I'm a crypto investor, but I have some coins and I have never been able to use them anywhere.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  Basically the same thing.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  My Pokemon cards are way more valuable than crypto, but I'm just curious, because we come out, and actually, I'm gonna go on a tangent here for a second. I've been seeing on tech Twitter, like, all these, like, crypto things that people are shilling in the tech community. Is that, is that what the, is the bags app?

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  Is popular right now.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  And like this, so like, the WorldCoin is kind of like in the same realm, and it just puts like a really bad taste in my mouth. I'm like, I don't know.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  That's good, Trash.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  I just really dislike.

• 1:02:54Speaker 00

  Don't lick the orbs. You won't have a bad taste in your mouth.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  I'll be honest, I am interested in the orb to just like, see it, but.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Trash, when we go to SF.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued to like, play with an orb.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  In San Francisco.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  We'll go check it out.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  I'm gonna scan myself. Well, hold on, hold on. One thing, one thing. So, Amazon had the palm scanner that came out. I don't even know. Do you all know what I'm talking about? Where you can just put your palm on the scanner like Whole Foods? And then that's how you check it out?

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Like Amazon Go or whatever? They're like, workerless one, or what?

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  No, it's just like, you have a, if you go to a Whole Foods, they have a palm scanner. And you just pay with your.

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  So like, was there, I don't, I don't, I didn't follow it, but I imagined there was some sort of reaction to that. I don't know if you all were like, aware of any of that.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  No, I didn't know that.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  You guys didn't know about that?

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Because it's too inconvenient to have a credit card? Yeah.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Cause people just don't wanna like touch their phones. You can just go walk up and just put your palm in and walk away.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  It's too hard to have a phone these days. Like that's the level we've hit where it's just like, bro, I can't, I have to unlock it.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  No, the problem is I need to keep swiping my TikTok feed. I can't put my phone down and have it do the little pop up for the Apple Pay. So it's like, I gotta keep scrolling. So I wanna use my other hand to scan.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  I'm gonna look into it. I'm actually curious like what the.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  It's probably the same reaction.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Which of my close friends use it? Yeah. Bunch of my friends use it? I'm like, are you crazy?

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  It seems way weirder when it's like, uh, I mean, it, okay, whatever. One company wants me to scan my hand. I have an option, but it's feels different when it's like, we're trying to get the whole world registered on this bad boy. It feels a little.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  If Amazon was like, hey, for you to be able to leave your house, you should scan your hand.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  You'd be like, oh, I don't like, I don't like this anymore. Access the internet, you're gonna need to verify with World ID. Like, oh, boy.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Qman35464, you are real. Thank you.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  You are real. Well, okay. The other thing, we didn't talk about it in this, but it is very confusing. Uh, so there's this like, for me, a paradox in WorldCoin of they keep telling us, we don't save anything about you. So it's completely anonymous, but also we're gonna verify your identity. The only thing they can do is verify that some human scanned their eyeball at some point. It doesn't even, like, it's not gonna tell them that, like, oh, I'm a 31-year-old male who lives in Michigan. Like, supposedly they don't have that data, right? So then how is it like, you guys understand what I'm saying? It was like this thing that they're saying.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  You're saying like they're, that, uh, they're, are they claiming to be able to verify more about you other than just you are a person who scanned your iris?

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Well, right. That's what I'm saying. But it's like, okay, so then they're saying, oh, this will prevent bot farms. Oh, what? So someone's not just gonna go around to some poorer country and scan 10,000 people and then get, buy that off of them? Oh, wait, that's literally WorldCoin's strategy. Like, they know that that hack exists. That's how they got millions of people to sign up. So how could someone else not just be like, well, I'm gonna get 10,000 people to scan in? And then I'll put, I'll take those phones and do, run my bot farm off of those.

• 1:05:51Speaker 00

  TJ, you're missing it. You're missing it. See, the problem is that you don't understand a very, a very simple idea, which is AI will solve this. Yeah, it's just gonna solve it in like, in a couple of years, it will all be solved. Not a big deal. Super simple.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  I would say it also doesn't solve the Tinder problem at all because it's like you can just post, you can still post whatever picture you want.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  Right, there's nothing, it doesn't, it's like, it's not like it knows that it's actually, you know, me. I can put whatever I want on there, right?

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  Well, like Tinder already has a better thing. I'm pretty sure, like all these places, like the bank has stuff, like, I can verify in my bank. It's like, take a picture of yourself from like down here, right? And then it's like, well, that verifies that I'm a person way better than like I stole someone's phone and I have the world app on, on the phone. That doesn't make, like that part doesn't, what happens if your phone gets stolen? I didn't even think about that.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  I'd also like to know more about, like, I, since this is the first I've ever heard of this. I know nothing about, you know, what their, I'm reticent to use the word tech stack looks like. But I would be interested to know, yeah, how do they deal with revocation and things like that? Because, yeah, when it gets stolen, because it will, when someone's world ID gets stolen, what is the recovery process look like? I'm assuming that they have thought about this. And I'm assuming that your world ID is basically some kind of a combination hash of like, some kind of unique value plus the actual retina scan data or something like this. So that you could change sort of the salt, if you will. It's not really a salt in this case, it's, it's sort of more of an initialization.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  The IV, you could change the initialization vector and produce a different world ID. But you have to have some database to know that someone's prior IV, with a different IV orb scan was revoked.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  Do they have that working or how does that work? Like, what's the deal with that?

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  I didn't go that deep on that, like, part of the stack. I was just trying to get across that, like, this is a super hundred millions of dollars thing that they're like going and literally scanning people. Oh, I didn't put it in here, in a few places around the world, like a few places in Africa as well. They banned WorldCoin because people were just like causing chaos. They were just like thousands of people in line to get it and like all this stuff. And it was like rampant for all these people doing crazy. So it was, so it was like wild. It was like disrupting local economies.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  By how, you know what I mean?

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Once again, I'm sure they were, I'm sure that they would be shocked now to learn that people were anti-world coin for some reason. They'd be like, "What? We're just helping humanity here."

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  "I don't understand all the negative feelings that people have about this." Retinal anal scanning device. I have a question for all of you.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Because, you know, most of you are too young, all of you are too young to know anything about this.

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  Woody Allen made a movie called Sleeper. Are you familiar with this movie?

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Well, in this movie, there is an orb that looks much like that orb that you showed in the picture. And it does a very different thing. I'll put it to you that way. And I'll leave it as an exercise to all of you out there to go watch some clips of Woody Allen's movie Sleeper to find out what the orb is for.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  And I guess what I would say is, one hint is, the orb in Sleeper is kind of the same purpose as what the orb is for to Sam Altman. I'll put it to you that way.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  Well, I looked it up.

• 1:09:34Speaker 00

  You got me now. I have no idea. Like, I was following for a second.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  That's cheating, bro. You gotta watch the movie.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  It's like Demolition Man.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  You'll have to watch a clip of the movie. It only appears in about like five minutes of the movie, so.

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  I love Demolition Man. I just want to let you know that.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a good movie.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  The franchise wars?

• 1:09:49Speaker 00

  Yes. Every part of it. It's the best movie ever. Stallone hip firing a pistol while coming out of a helicopter hitting people. It's like my, it's literally my favorite movie of all time. Okay.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  Pretty dope.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  Alright, well, now that we hit this, this was fantastic. TJ, thank you for the presentation.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Beautiful presentation.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  No problem.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Beautiful presentation.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  Oh, I didn't even show it.

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  We have a website.

• 1:10:17Speaker 00

  Oh, we do have a website?

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Well, you didn't even show me when I saw your presentation.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  Casey, we have a website. Look at this.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  Dude!

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  I know, just look at this website for a second.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  TheStandUpPod.com. Check this out.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  I'm going there right now.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  Also, Casey, check out the filtering. AWS. Look at that. Do you like it?

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Oh my god, dude.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  I tried to make it very fast.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Wait, what's the?

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Dude!

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  What's the URL?

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  TheStandUpPod.com.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Oh my god, this is so good.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  Oh, you just hit it.

• 1:10:49Speaker 00

  I'm so excited.

• 1:10:50Speaker 03

  It has direct links to each episode as well, so you can go to like inside of each of the episodes, there's a little arrow on the side, you can click it, you can go to, go to each of the pages. If you want, you can listen to Spotify there. You can download the MP3 directly. If you're like, I hate Spotify, that's fine, I don't care. There's the MP3 if you guys want it. You can just download it.

• 1:11:11Speaker 00

  If you play it from the site, does that count for like a Spotify thing?

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  This, if you play through this one, yeah, this is a Spotify embed, so it should work.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  That's, I'm so excited. I cannot tell you how excited I am. This is fantastic work.

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  Thank you. Casey, do you want to know the tech stack for this?

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Uh, sure, but I mean, I'm just happy, I'm just happy about it. I'm just happy.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  Well, does it feel fast and responsive? That's what I need to know.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  I haven't used it yet.

• 1:11:34Speaker 03

  Oh, Casey, I forgot. I left a few Easter eggs for you. Um, I'm gonna spoil these to chat just because I think they're funny. Number one, you can, uh, you can maximize it, so that's cool. You can maximize it, you can minimize it, of course, right? For no reason. This is the best one, though. If you close it, if you close it, uh-oh.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  Nice, dude.

• 1:11:57Speaker 03

  You can't get back either. It's gone. It's gone. It's, you have to refresh the page.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I mean, how could, that's it. You closed it. If you wanted it, you shouldn't have closed it. Right?

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  When I showed, when I showed this.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Resolve won't fix.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. When I showed it to Kayleen, the first thing she did was click the red button in the top left, and I was so happy. I was like, oh my goodness, has someone actually discovered my Easter egg in the wild?

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  I love it. I love it.

• 1:12:23Speaker 03

  So Casey, the tech stack? HTML and CSS.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, nice dude.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  Cause I take, here's what I do. I get the RSS feed, I run a little thing, I just generate a bunch of static HTML and CSS from that, and then it goes on Cloudflare for CDN caching to be fast across the whole world for you. There you go, that's, so there you go. Even this filtering, this is all just, this is just in the client, that's why it's fast.

• 1:12:51Speaker 00

  Small little script right there.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  You know who's gonna love this is Carson Gross. Carson Gross is gonna be so happy about this.

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  I mean, he didn't use HTML, but.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  But we need to make a website fast in 2026. It's actually possible to make a website.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  You can just do things. It doesn't hit the backend, so it doesn't need to be HDMI, so. There you go.

• 1:13:13Speaker 00

  Uh, people are pretty upset though, there's no FAVICON. Classic 404.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Oh, FAVICON.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  Here's a quick question, though.

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  What's this icon when it's not a FAVICON?

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  I don't know what.

• 1:13:27Speaker 03

  World coin? I don't know.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  It's a world.

• 1:13:31Speaker 00

  Coin.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Is that, is that what you get? Sam Altman. Sam Alt, this one, this is so, I'm collecting world coin every time someone does it, because it loads the world FAVICON.

• 1:13:40Speaker 00

  Nice, nice, okay, that was pretty good, that was pretty good.

• 1:13:43Speaker 03

  One world coin at a time.

• 1:13:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's pretty good. I did not, I did not see that one coming.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  It's broken on mobile, don't go to it on your phone. That's your fault. Can't afford a computer, that's weird.

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't want you listening. If you can't afford a computer, you're not right for it. We, look, our advertisers have standards. They are not gonna advertise some random phone user. If you're on Android, forget it, dude. You don't have the kind of money we need for our sponsors, alright? Forget it, this is not for you.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  The Apple strap, we don't want you in our audience.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  No, dude, it works just fine. What are you talking about? I'm using it right now on my phone. And look at this.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  I checked. He's on a sidekick.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  Oh. Yeah. You can even play it from right here.

• 1:14:29Speaker 00

  I just, I just played it. Boom.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  It does work, I think. I don't know, I'm pretty sure it works on your phone, but I thought it'd be funnier to just say that, not to use it. So there you go, Casey. I did build that.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  I love it, dude.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  I want, I want you to know, though. It's 100% vibe-coded.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Awesome. Who, which, which, which tool did you use?

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  5.2 Codex, mostly, with a little bit of Composer for the front end. So it was inside Cursor.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  What's Composer? I don't know.

• 1:14:59Speaker 03

  Composer is Cursor's model. It goes zoom, zoom, very fast.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Wait, uh, so they have released, they, they're, they're kind of doing their own training?

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. This was, this was Prime's prediction for 2026 is that they'll release a model.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right, but they already had in 2025.

• 1:15:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I was saying like a real model. I didn't realize it's a little fast quickie. Come on, get out of here.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Well, that's, that's rude. You're saying Composer's not real?

• 1:15:27Speaker 00

  It's not like, it's not like 5.2.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  That's pretty good. It's pretty good.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Composer is really good. It just has a different trade-off, just like everything in life. It has trade-offs.

• 1:15:36Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. TJ, stop with that trade-off talk. Okay, let me do an outro. And then we should probably, I don't know how much you want.

• 1:15:41Speaker 03

  I just wanted to show Casey, I have a site for us with perma-links to every episode now too. StandupPod.com/episode/number.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  All right, here you go. Glad you're jumping the links.

• 1:15:49Speaker 00

  All right. Thank you for watching the stand-up. If you want to be able to go and search up any episode, who's in whatever episode, go to the StandupPod.com for being able to fastest, most creamiest experience of a podcast website you've ever had. Thank you for joining us, and if you do like this idea of presentations, it's something we're kind of leaning into. If you're enjoying it, say yes, and we will make Trash do a presentation. Trash was also our first presentation, which was typescripted WTF, and we're gonna want him to go again.

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  Which, Trash, that episode's still crushing it.

• 1:16:21Speaker 00

  That episode?

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  It's doing great.

• 1:16:22Speaker 00

  Hot.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Speaker 00

  Still to this day.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  Trash, get that hoodie off and flex on him.

• 1:16:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, Trash.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  No. No. No, it's secure.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  Only for in-person.

• 1:16:31Speaker 00

  Only for in-person.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  Only for in-person.

• 1:16:35Speaker 00

  There's a lot of kind of just yapping we do that's just not good for YouTube videos. So if you want the entire experience, it's currently up on Spotify. We're gonna figure out something else, so check out the link in the description where we talk and make fun of Trash for his snack eating habits, or something with TJ, or Casey just being super smart and cool.

• 1:16:51Speaker 03

  The RSS.

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Well, you'll have to search pretty hard for that one, but if you find one, let me know.

• 1:16:58Speaker 00

  Yep, and that's about it. So hey, thanks for joining us. The name is Casey Trash Tej Agen.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  World coin out.

• 1:17:07Speaker 00

  World coin out.