We gave $50,000 to Open Source!

Thanks to Planetscale for Open Source Santa this year! They gave us $30k to give away to open source projects we love, and so each of us picked a project we liked. We also gave some money from twitch chat, youtube chat and some final surprises! We hope you like the episode! Merry Christmas!!

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Today is a very special episode of The Stand Up. TrashDev, Casey Muratory, Tej and me give away a lot of money provided by Planetscale, plus the Magnanimous Twitch Chat, the Sales From The Arch sweater, and a little bit extra, we end up giving away $50,000 to our favorite open source projects. So have a Merry Christmas, and I hope you enjoy The Stand Up. And thanks again, The Planetscale, for making open source Santa possible. Yeah, Trash, why didn't you dress up, by the way?

• 0:28Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 0:30Speaker 02

  He is, dude.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  Look at this.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  That's pretty good.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  Do you see these reindeers and snowflakes?

• 0:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, okay, like TJ obviously went to town. I obviously went to town.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  Oh, Santa Claus is coming to town, boys!

• 0:41Speaker 00

  TJ went the most to town.

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Check me out, check me out. I mean, you can, I'm surprised it's showing, it's, I had to spend a whole morning...

• 0:47Speaker 01

  I can see through your rib cage.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  Uh, anyways, I'm sorry. Welcome to The Stand Up. Today, we have a very special Christmas episode, where Planetscale has given us $30,000 to give away, and we'll be doing more giving away on top of it. Uh, but, to kind of explain the basics of the rule, is that Planetscale said, "Hey, we want you to do an open source Santa kind of giveaway." So we sat down and thought about it, and we figured the best way to do that is that each one of the hosts get $5,000 to give away. If you happen to be in Twitch Chat, at the end of this, I'm gonna ask Twitch Chat what are their favorite open sources. I'll see which one is which, and then Chat will do a vote on the final four, and we'll give another $5,000 to that open source, and we'll do the same thing with YouTube. And then we have one to two bonus surprises at the end. Yes.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  I hate to interrupt, but Trash, your munchin' is so loud right now!

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Wait, I'm muted!

• 1:43Speaker 00

  Josh, it's a separate audio source!

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Was I not muted?

• 1:47Speaker 00

  No, but it's a separate audio source. It's a separate audio source. It's okay. If he's in post, you can take it out.

• 1:52Speaker 03

  Here's what I will say, though. Although, in theory, in post, you can take it out, I don't think I've yet to watch a Stand Up where I couldn't hear Trash's eat. I don't think it is getting taken out in post. It's just been hypothetically taken out in post. I was watching it the other day, and I'm just hearing like...

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Yes, it's hard to do, it's hard to do because then we have to go back and forth all the time, it makes it take a lot longer, okay?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  I thought it was muted, it said muted, is this a Riverside bug? I swear, I muted it.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Well, you were not muted, Trash, that's fine, that's fine.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  I would like to apologize on behalf of everyone else because you were crushing that intro until TJ just came in and absolutely stomped on your floor.

• 2:31Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm Santa's helper, I have to stop him and let him know, it's important.

• 2:34Speaker 00

  He's Santa's backseat driver is what it seems like, because I was in there, I was in there doing great work out there.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  It's a left, bro, it's a left!

• 2:41Speaker 03

  It's like, in my mind, like, Santa, Santa like slides down the chimney and he's like really quietly like putting the presents under the tree so the kids don't know and he's got it and he's eating the little cookie and drinking the milk and then one of his elves is like, "Hey, Santa, I, I, I don't know if this play is, it might be a little uneven up on the region, check it out."

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Did you forget the parking brake?

• 3:03Speaker 03

  And like, everyone in the house is like, "Oh my god, intruder, what's happening?"

• 3:06Speaker 00

  Then Santa gets shocked.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  I gotta tell you guys something, I am sweating so hard in this one scene, oh my god, my belly button is like a little pulley pulled.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  You still, are you still on jujitsu, you're on jujitsu cooldown?

• 3:21Speaker 01

  I did jujitsu this morning, oh man.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, so you're still overheated, you're overheated from the jujitsu.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Your boy is, woo, stank is stank. Alright, let's go, intro, let's go.

• 3:30Speaker 00

  Alright, I think we did an intro, I don't know if we really, do we need another one? Alright, I'll re-explain it just in case anybody did not catch it. This is for the livestream, I think we could just have it nicely done in post, but I'll re-explain it either way. Pick which one, Josh, whatever one you want. Alright, so today's stream is of course sponsored by Planetscale, they have given us $30,000 to give away to open source specifically and we're gonna be doing a couple extra bonus giveaways at the very end, very exciting. First off, we had to figure out how do we give away this $30,000, so I decided that Casey Miratori, Trash, and TJ each get $5,000, I get $5,000, Twitch chat will get $5,000, and YouTube chat will get $5,000. We all get to decide what open source projects get a chunk of money.

• 4:14Speaker 00

  And you're probably asking yourself, $5,000, why not give 30 open source projects $1,000? That was originally my suggestion too, but TJ convinced me of something different. Which is, if we give a bunch of projects a thousand dollars, that could be very, very nice for a couple individuals, but if we give them five thousand dollars, that could actually pay for real open source work and hopefully push the project slightly forward. Now, we're all doing our part out here, so you guys can join in, because every single sub gifted either on YouTube or Twitch will also be going to charity, and that specific charity will be Neovim. And so Neovim will be getting all of that good right there. And then we have one extra super bonus at the very end.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  True. True. All true. Great, great intro. First try.

• 4:55Speaker 00

  The name is the intro again.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  We should probably end the podcast right now, because it's all downhill from there.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  Alright, so who's gonna go first? And by the way Trash, if you say type hero...

• 5:09Speaker 01

  That was so funny.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  You're not allowed to do your own project, people.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Come in next day with my Pokemon collection even bigger?

• 5:19Speaker 02

  I like that. Trash, by the way, the Pokemon collection looking great behind you, can I just say before we get started? It looks good.

• 5:27Speaker 00

  Wow, that's a lot of Pokemon.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Just wait, it's gonna get bigger and bigger.

• 5:30Speaker 00

  Do you keep it all boxed and sell it for resale later?

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Let's keep them all sealed and then I don't know what I'm gonna do with them, we'll find out.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  He's investing, bro.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  It's called New and Shrink, bro.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  This is a college fund right here, that's what that is.

• 5:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  I think Trash should go first. I'm excited to hear who he picks.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  You want me to go first?

• 5:47Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Okay, so...

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Here's Trash.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  I'll be honest, it was...

• 5:52Speaker 01

  I couldn't think of anybody, and like the projects I could think of were already like, super popular, have like a lot of supporters already. So then I sat back and I was thinking about what projects or what tools have I used, where I actually interacted with the creator, and/or went to their community and asked for help. So I'm gonna... So like, I brought this up a couple podcasts ago when I was talking about what I was working on, and I was working on a test framework, and we built this test framework off of this library called MockServiceWorker. And I remember when I first started using it, so I was like a little confused, but like I was trying to do stuff that wasn't really like, it's kind of off the beaten path. So it's not really examples or anything like that. So I jumped into the Discord. And then the, I think the person who created it, his name is Artem.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  He was in the Discord and he answered my message immediately, offered, jumped in my DMs, we were talking DMs. And then we also like jumped on a call and he was kind of like helping me. And then I did my due diligence, had like a GitHub repo where he could actually see the code with my problem. And then he made a pull request and fixed it. And he was just like always so attentive. Like I know this dude's like busy. There's a lot of people in Discord. But like the fact that he jumped on a call with me, answered all my dumb questions, even read the docs of like another library that I was using. And like, here's a link to the docs. And he's like, you need to use this API instead. So like he did his due diligence, like reading all this stuff. And it was crazy. And I was like, such a genuine like experience with this person.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  And it really left an impact on me. And I was like, dude, if I can help you anywhere I can, like, I know we use you in Netflix, maybe some, maybe we can maybe do something with that. I don't know.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  So when this came across my thing and I remembered that, I was like, this is like the perfect opportunity to give back to Artem. I know Artem left his job to do like full-time education, work on his work. I know he does like stuff for like Epic Web, I think with Kenzie Dodds maybe. So I know this would really go a long way for him. So Artem, if you're in here, I'm not sure I didn't tell you, I don't want to spoil it. But I'll reach out to you directly later. But yeah, you're awesome. Thank you for everything. You're the best.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Trash, give us some links. We need to know what's, so what's this mock service worker thing? Where can we find it on GitHub?

• 7:52Speaker 01

  So it's gonna be, I'll just link in the chat. It's gonna be mswjs.io.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  So it's like really good for like mocking calls and stuff. It's amazing. Amazing, amazing.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  Awesome. Thanks Trash.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  By the way, Sam just posted in the chat that the first 50 people to use this specific link that I've put in both YouTube and in Twitch will get $20 of Planet Scale credits. So I made sure it's pinned. You guys should know where it's at. There you go.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  The gift that keeps on giving.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Planet Scale is great. I use it all the time. I'm a paying customer. So.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  Wow, nice. Us too, actually, at Terminal. That's what we've been running the whole time.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  All right. That was lovely, Trash.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  I like that Trash.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Was that like a nice heartfelt message?

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like that.

• 8:43Speaker 00

  I'm a good guy.

• 8:44Speaker 03

  When I say that you've touched all of them.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  With that story.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  Is that in School of Rock?

• 8:53Speaker 00

  I have touched your children.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  Uh, yes, yes.

• 8:55Speaker 02

  Oh, like?

• 8:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  We are turning this conversation a different way.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  I like to think that they've touched me.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  Or something. It's a very, very good.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  That movie's great.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  I forgot how funny that movie is.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  That movie just changed.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Plus, it's like, any movie, any movie where like, you get to start a band and then play a show is always good in my book, you know? It's always the dream. The drummer dream growing up. That's why that's what you do. Top tier movie.

• 9:24Speaker 00

  This is TJ's like thirty percent of his suggestions at Terminal whenever we're talking about new media.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  That thing you do.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  He's always like, okay, well, what about like, what if we did a country music video? Like, what happened if we all got together as a band and did a country music video? Well, like, I'm just saying. What happened if we did that?

• 9:38Speaker 02

  It'd be good. That's what I'm saying.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  We need to play a show. We need to play a Terminal, like, we need to play a

• 9:42Speaker 02

  That is true.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  Uh, the stand-up show.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  I'll play bass.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Where we each play an instrument.

• 9:47Speaker 00

  Bacon can play guitar. TJ can play drums.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  Stand-up bass?

• 9:50Speaker 03

  I'm keyboard.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, but Casey, you'd have to sing as well, because you do a little bit of singing, don't you?

• 9:55Speaker 03

  He's not really, no.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  He's a great singer.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Don't we have another sing- don't we have anyone else who really like, does singing, like rock singing?

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Trash, you were in a band.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  I've

• 10:04Speaker 02

  That doesn't mean I'm

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Anybody can be in a band, right? We could start a band right now. That doesn't mean I'm good.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. We could all be in a band right now.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  We could.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  We could be in a band. That's true. I'll play, I'll play marimba. Or drums. I'll play either one.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:20Speaker 00

  You could play drums and marimba same time.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Drorimba.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  That would be really hard to do, but I would try it. For our, for the stand-up, I would try it.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you could just go like, chh, snare, chh, snare.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Trash.

• 10:32Speaker 00

  And then on the other side, be like, ding.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  What's a marimba?

• 10:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Never heard that word in my life. The xylophone?

• 10:37Speaker 00

  Oh, is that big xylophone thing?

• 10:39Speaker 02

  It's, it's a huge xylophone. What do you mean?

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Why don't we just call it xylophone, just bigger?

• 10:44Speaker 03

  Xylophone is not this-

• 10:46Speaker 02

  That's like saying, why not just call our guitars guitars? Doesn't make any sense.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it does make sense.

• 10:51Speaker 00

  Big guitar. A violin.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  They just call big guitar, little guitars.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Well, that's completely different, okay? That is, I feel like that's just a big xylophone, okay?

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Just call everyone singers. There's no treble or bass singers.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Alright, I'm sorry. I offended all xylophone players in the world, all ten of you, okay?

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Wow. Trash, you know what? I'm gonna find out what band it was you were in and not-

• 11:13Speaker 01

  No, please not. Someone actually, someone actually tagged me with the name on Twitter and I was mortified.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Okay, to be fair to Trash, am I wrong in thinking that when you like look at orchestra, it's just like, the marimba is just under percussion? Like, it doesn't even get its own player? It's like percussion.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Well, that's true for all percussion.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's like Trash is not doing any worse by lumping it with xylophone.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  I'm just doing what everyone's thinking, that's all.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  It's correctly classified under percussion, but not correctly classified under xylophone.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  How big are the little, how big are your little drumsticks that you hit it with?

• 11:49Speaker 03

  They're pretty big mallets. They're, the mallets are pretty big.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Mallets? That's like a, what?

• 11:54Speaker 02

  They're called mallets, Trash.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Don't you use mallets to hit nails? That is a lot smaller than I thought they were gonna be.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  Really?

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Trash, you want me to, I'll play, you want me to play something right now? We'll just do a quick distraction.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Yes, of course you do. Everyone wants you to do that.

• 12:08Speaker 00

  We're funding it open source, but we'll do a quick marimba. So just take this out. This'll be in the extended episode on Spotify.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  Are you kidding me? This is going, this is going on YouTube? You think I'm gonna miss my chance to shine here? Here, alright, here, we're gonna, I'll-

• 12:19Speaker 01

  T, T has been waiting for this moment. His whole, his whole streak.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Been waiting for this moment all my life.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  You gotta turn the camera.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am. You can't really see very much right now, though. I'll have to, I have to move this completely, too.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  We can see it, we can see just vibe.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  You can just play it, just play it, it's okay. The sound will carry.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Trash, I've been practicing this one, okay?

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Whoa, you do two in one hand?

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Of course, what? That's insane.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  I gotta go back to, I'm, I'm practicing this one, so it's not always-

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Oh, you can actually read music, you're a real musician, okay? He's an actual real musician, okay?

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Alright, ready, Trash?

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  You guys gotta cut me some slack, too, I was not prepared. Okay.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  I can't tell if he's playing that, for real.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Oh, I forgot the next part, Trash. Sorry.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  It's okay.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  Uh, TJ, you just DMC'd our stream with that, with that banger. Okay.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Trash, let, let me get, let me get the middle section, because I'm a little more ready for this one.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  So here we go. Ready?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  I'm dancing.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Whoops, sorry.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Ooh. That's a banger.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Ah, ah, Trash, I'm getting nervous, okay?

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Oh, this is good.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Casey, start singing.

• 14:10Speaker 03

  I, I am literally not a singer. I have never sung in anything in my life.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  I've heard you sing. That was good. That was good.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  I'm ready. I'm ready.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  Nokia vibes?

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Nokia, oh my god, it is Nokia vibes. Oh my goodness.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  So.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  That was good.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Sorry. I was not ready. I was not ready.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  Dude, TJ, you could have practiced. There's so many Dr. Dre songs you could have probably threw down on there.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Thought you were gonna hear some Eminem.

• 14:38Speaker 00

  I wanna hear some Chronic 2001. There's so many you could have probably thrown down on.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Because I'm a classic rock son. I wanna hear some Frank Zappa, dude.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  I don't know any non-classical, like, marimba solo, sorry. I literally play, play concert percussion, so.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  All right.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  All right.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  All right, Casey.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 00

  I think you are next.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  So, I am the weakest link in this chain by far. Because like, I think I had a similar problem to Trash, which is that like, if I look at the open source stuff that I personally use, there are very few things, and they are like, kind of the obvious, like, very popular things, that probably don't need $5,000, like Linux in general, right, or something? I, whereas I don't actually have any open source stuff that I use myself, that's like, oh, here's this, you know, this smaller project, that's not obvious, that I can say like, I really love this project, or I use it all the time, or something like that. So what I did...

• 15:40Speaker 03

  To make up for my own shortcomings is I asked around some people who I know, who I feel like are more knowledgeable about this sort of thing. And I basically came up with two things. One is I came up with a list that I was hoping we could throw to chat as part of. I didn't, I kind of anticipated the fact that chat might be involved in voting later. So I came up with a list from people's recommendations of like smaller, less well-known, open source projects that they think are really cool. And I posted that in the studio chat as a gist that you can grab if you want to and sort of put it up on the screen or post it in the chat.

• 16:22Speaker 03

  So that was one thing I did, and those are all projects that I'm like not really familiar with and couldn't really say very much about because I don't use them. But they're all from people who I trust to not give stupid recommendations. I also liked that a bunch of people were like FFmpeg, which I included on that list because I thought it was hilarious since they recently were in a spat with Theo over a donation. And so I was like, okay, well, if people are recommending it, maybe you can reverse, maybe you can donate to them on the, on the condition that they keep their social media team. And you can have like competing donations to see who could, you could like drive up FFmpeg donations by people competing over whether or not the X account remains as it is or different.

• 17:04Speaker 03

  But I did want to pick an open source project and I figured I could let you guys decide whether you want my gift to go to this or just to go into the larger pool. Because like I said, I'm the wrong one to pick this sort of stuff, so I'm just doing my best here. There is one product recently that I thought was extremely cool. And it is by a guy named Jimmy Lefevre. And he, so if, for those of you who don't know, there's this very large, kind of sprawling, open source project called HarfBuzz. Has anyone heard of this? Anyone know what this is?

• 17:38Speaker 00

  I have heard of HarfBuzz.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Something for fonts?

• 17:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, so HarfBuzz is basically what everyone uses, like everyone. Whether you know it or not, it's under the hood somewhere. It's what everyone uses for dealing with like the sort of text shaping problem in Unicode. So Unicode is kind of a mess as a standard in and of itself. And it has all of these esoteric requirements, just like crazy amounts of like special requirements of like, "Okay, if you're doing this particular language, you need to look at these code points. And if they occur in this order, and the font says that it handles that thing, then you have to output that in this specific way. But if it doesn't, then you have to output it in this other specific way." It's all this ridiculous logic. It's, it's kind of like-

• 18:23Speaker 00

  Isn't there something with families, right? Where it's like, it has every possible mutation with families. So you can be like, "One dad, two moms, four kids, three dogs." And you can like specify to some crazy combination to come down to a singular.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  I mean, my, my expectation is that's probably not even the craziest thing. Like when you start getting into like all, you know, other languages like that have very complex glyph rules, right?

• 18:46Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Um, so basically, this is a really nasty problem. And it's very, it's underspecified too, because you go to like the Unicode specs, and sometimes they might not be quite complete, or they might have some kind of errors in them, or they might have, the actual thing that people now expect has like drifted away from what the specification is, or all these other sorts of things. So it's a really big, um, problem. And basically, what everyone does is they just use HarfBuzz. They just use HarfBuzz, they're like, "Forget it." Like, "There's no way that we're gonna sit down and write this thing." And that's kind of annoying, because HarfBuzz is this big scrolling library. And especially if you're a developer who's like very conscientious about trying to like make sure that you manage memory in a specific way, or that you have like some very hard constraints on how much time things take,

• 19:29Speaker 03

  or all these other sorts of things, or you just don't want your product to have 8,000 files in it, right? Um, using HarfBuzz is kind of a little gross. It's the same as, you know, you're kind of forcing this big thing onto your project. And if you're someone like Chrome, who cares? Because you already take seven years to compile, and you're already, right? You know, it's like, it doesn't, at some projects, it doesn't matter, because you're just, you know, uh, you're already crossed that bridge, and so who cares? But for other projects, it's like, "Oh, god, great. I want to do like reasonable Unicode support in this project. I don't want to do this." But you have to, right? And so you take this gigantic hit of importing HarfBuzz. Well, for, for reasons I don't know, I, I probably should have asked him, uh, cause I actually know this guy. I probably should have asked him at some point and I just never have.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Jimmy Lefebvre, at some point, just decided, he's like, you know what, I'm gonna solve this problem. And he sat down.

• 20:21Speaker 00

  Can we pause for one second?

• 20:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  Uh, just, just, I, I didn't even know this was a thing. Um, Twitch just gifted a hundred subs. Mr. Twitch himself. Mr. Twitch, I, I didn't, this is not planned. I didn't go to my partner manager, try to come up with some sort of concoctions. This was purely all natural, grass-fed gifting. So Twitch just gave, uh, a hundred subs to this channel. Thank you, Twitch.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Which is a hundred subs to Neo Vim.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Thank you, Twitch. To open source today. So, hey, thank you. DJ Dan Clancy, thank you for the gifted subs. Appreciate that.

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Basically what we've learned is whoever's manning that Twitch channel, whoever's manning the like Twitch like gift sub thing is a, is a Vim user. That's what we just found out.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Vim user confirmed. They're at that beginning and they're like, oh, boy, we're gonna sub to this channel.

• 21:08Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  Exactly. Thanks, Jeff Bezos.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  That was cool. I've never seen like Twitch, like, interact with that before.

• 21:15Speaker 00

  I've never seen Twitch do that. They've had ones where it's like, they had a one with a, I forget what it was. It was some company that partnered with them. So if you gifted five subs, they'd give you some, as valorant or something, they'd give a couple extra, and that was by Twitch. But this one was actually just Twitch all natural, not partnered with anybody. So. All natural. Unusual. Never seen that before. Thank you.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  So anyway, it was actually a good stopping point, right? That's Harf Buzz. So, uh, anyway, Jimmy Lefebvre actually sat down and, for whatever reason, took it upon himself to just be like, you know what? I'm gonna do an entire replacement for that. I'm gonna do it in one file, just a .h file. You can pound include. And it's just gonna be this one, like, 11,000-line .h file that just, I've packed everything into tables. Like, I wrote, he wrote a bunch of stuff that, like, generates all this stuff and packs it into little tables. You just pound include in your thing, and you basically get the entire equivalent of Harf Buzz in one pound include, one file. That's all you need to bring into your project.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  And that is so, like, it's such a monumental amount of work to do this. I posted a link in the studio chat if you want to paste that into real chat or anything like that.

• 22:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do that right now.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  You can see it, it's literally like, there's just kbtexshap.h, you click on it, and it's this just one file, and not only is it one file, so it's super easy to use, but it's also like, designed with good programmer human factors. Like, it's designed so you can pass memory allocations into it, so it doesn't have to like, it doesn't go do kind of ridiculous allocations behind your back and all this sort of stuff. It's like, designed so that you can use it in projects that are very specific and very like, technically like, targeted. You don't have to be a big sprawling project with ballocks and frees everywhere, or whoever, you know, whatever else. So it's like, a really good human factors library as well.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  And so, that's my pick. That's what I would pick for the donation. The only reason that I am saying like, I don't know, is because I already kind of did my own pseudo-donation to this project, which was I basically like, I won't go into details, but I basically said like, "Hey, do you want to go work at any companies around here?" And the guy was like, "Yes." And I was like, "All right, I'm gonna hook you up." And he's now going to work somewhere cool, I'll simply say, as a result of this project.

• 23:43Speaker 00

  Awesome.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  And so, he might not need the donation as much as some other project somewhere, so I didn't want to like, say for sure, but if it's just purely my pick, this is the project.

• 23:54Speaker 00

  I think this is a great pick.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  We gotta go for it, this is awesome.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Yes. Great pick, Casey.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  I love also that you said "pound include" instead of "import", like, keeping it correct in that world, I really, you know, I see that, I recognize your effort there, even in language.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Oh dude, we're, it's, see, we never got no import. We didn't get, nobody ever figured out modules, are you kidding me? C++ committee is still chasing their tail, trying to figure out how to do modules, right? They think they did, but they didn't.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:24Speaker 03

  So, yeah, pound include.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  And by the way, we say hashtag now, so it's hashtag include.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Hashtag include.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Hashtag include.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  Hashtag include. I love it. Yeah. And then, like I said, I also have that list there that I just wanted to throw out to chat, that you can look at at some point if we want to do community picks. And that was just a list that I got from other people who use a lot of open source stuff and also contribute to open source a lot. And this is their list of things that they thought were cool and maybe less contributed to than others.

• 24:56Speaker 00

  The Lua Gid on there, that was pretty legit. I really, oh, legit, I didn't really mean to do it that way, but that was pretty awesome. I liked that a lot.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 25:04Speaker 00

  Okay, don't goodness me, TJ.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  That's a joke that I would say, all right, Santa? Come on, leave it to the elves.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  Okay, sorry, I did, you know what? Classic micromanaging, just doing, just doing the elves' job.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  That's my job, bro. That's my job. You're taking my job.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  I have a question. Did you ever say C-Pound instead of C-sharp?

• 25:26Speaker 03

  Ooh, I like that a lot, or C-hash tag.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  We're gonna start doing that.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, yeah, a hundred percent used to say C-Pound because I didn't know.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  C-hash tag.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  We're gonna start.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  Sounds good. C-hash tag. Do you guys prefer to go with C-hash tag?

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  C-hash tag. Um, you know, we're getting dangerously close to making some jokes about the pound sign that is going to get into inappropriate territory.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Trash already crossed the line too many times for a charity stream. We'll save that for next week. New year, new pod.

• 25:51Speaker 00

  New year, new pod.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  New pound, god.

• 25:53Speaker 00

  Just stood up. Nope. I'm not gonna say it. Not gonna say it. All right, um.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Casey, I love that pick, though. That's such a good pick.

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Okay, cool. Great. I'm glad. Because this was a tough, this was, this was the hardest episode for me to prepare so far that we've done, because I'm so, like, I don't know.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  But this is like a classic one where, you know, the, like, the world's infrastructure meme, and then there's like that one little twig that's holding it all up. This is a, this is like classically one of those projects where it's just like, this is actually holding up a significant portion of, of probably people's experience in life.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I feel like adding unicorns, adding Unicode support is kind of necessary if you want to be a global project. And it's been traditionally a huge pain in the butt for people who are trying to make like small, focused, fast-compiling projects, because like you now have to like import HarfBuzz and import all this stuff. And like, this is a really good step towards making that easier. So, this was a great project, and I think he really did the world a service with this one.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  I think it's cool you got him a job, so. Nice.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  He deserved it. He got himself the job.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  You know, this is, so this is, I'm gonna do a little, uh, little small rant, cuz you know, we're also just getting, you know, some, some sweet times in between each one of these, but, uh.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Uh, I will say, this is that whole problem, cuz you know, there's been many, uh, videos, not to, not to call out Theo multiple times now on this one. But there's this video, like, don't, don't do open source to get a job, but also people who do good open source get a job. There is definitely some weird world that exists where when you do open source, if you do a good job, there is seemingly more opportunities sometimes for people who do it, and it's a more complex and nuanced thing. Just don't do it for the sole sake. You have to have something you actually want to solve.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Well, I think you could do it to get a job, but the problem is like, I'll just say, I, I, like, I, I like Theo's take on this, but it's, it's like, I think it's mostly like, really good open source developers can get jobs. The problem is a bunch of people think that it's just open source developers get jobs. So it's like, if you're not developing skills, if you're not improving things, if you're not actually like shipping stuff and doing good work, it's not gonna, it's not gonna do anything. So it's like, that's, that's like honestly, the people are putting the cart before the horse on it, right? Where it's like, oh, if I just do open source, that magically makes me good and magically gets me hired. But that's not, that's not what it is. That's not what happens.

• 28:21Speaker 00

  Which I agree with that side of the take, but I don't like the phrase "don't do open source for jobs," which is like, I know plenty of people that did that to get a job, cuz they are already excellent developers and they wanted a way to show themselves off. So it's a, it's a confusing world.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 28:38Speaker 00

  Teach.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  I can go. Want me to go?

• 28:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Okay, here, uh, we'll see how, sorry, my, I may have to just turn off my, um, you know, my green screen. All elf costumes are green, dude. What is going on?

• 28:49Speaker 03

  My preference, though, I would just like to say, my preference, if, if it's possible, would be for this to be, um... Accompanied by at least some marimba.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll, I can play a song that I can actually play the whole thing through. I don't know why I picked the song I've been practicing. That's like, that's stupid moves, you know?

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, so I would like, I would like some marimba to be involved at some point, at your discretion, certainly.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  You should play it while you're picking, while you're announcing your pick you're playing.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  It's kinda hard because you'd be facing away from us though.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  He has a presentation. Look, he has one out of, he has 20 slides.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  20 slides? No way. But that's because like, each, each bullet point that comes out is a slide. It's just a markdown, this is inside of NeoVim.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  That's like $250 a slide, dude.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  True, great point. I'm, do you guys think I could work for a consulting firm?

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. McKinsey, here we come.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  McKinsey, here we go. I mean, like, the elf costume, a little helper, magic, you know, makes money disappear. I think I can do it. Um, okay. So, uh, all right, well, here you go. It's just a quick slides, because first off, I know Casey doesn't know this, so I want to give him a little bit of introduction to this thing, because I wanna, I think it's kinda, it's kinda cool. Also, I think I'll just really quickly, can I do this?

• 30:08Speaker 00

  By the way, TJ, you can call yourself the Agile Elf.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 30:12Speaker 00

  I know. It's so good.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  There we go, here. I'll make myself a lot smaller, just so I don't overlap anything here. And I'm an elf, so that makes sense, too. Um, alright, so, it's just logic, okay? Alright, so, uh, this is probably not a surprise to anyone who's been following around with me lately. I've been writing a lot and checking out a lot of stuff with EffectTS. Just a little overview of what is EffectTS, and just some of the things I like about it, since we've been doing that. So, what is it? It's a way to write TypeScript where, instead of hating your experience, you can like it. At least for me, that's been, that's been my experience so far.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Uh, so what does it do? It pretty much, uh, like, you make an effect. So, effects, Casey, you'll like this. They're lazy computational units. I don't know, it doesn't really matter that much. The, the main idea, though, for this, okay?

• 31:07Speaker 00

  You can't do that, too, in JavaScript.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  I know, I know I shouldn't have put JavaScript right here because that's gonna, that's gonna end, end our conversation. But the idea here is that instead of throwing errors for everything, instead of like just letting people act like JavaScript, the one that was designed in 10 days and we're gonna build the whole rest of the web on it. What if we like tried and thought a little bit more about it and tried to make the experience like a little safer? A little bit like more leaning into the type system, trying to help it out. That's the very, very short pitch, okay? The very short pitch. I have a few other examples, okay? So I don't like exceptions in TypeScript. People just like throw errors all the time. And then it crashes and then you're like, why is this not working? And you look in the console and it's just like red lines and you're like, how is this?

• 31:52Speaker 02

  How is this experience? How is every major website throwing red, red lines in the console on the internet in 2025, right? Uh, I like instead errors as values, right? Uh, and I actually like if I'm gonna care about a service, you know, like we care about what errors we can get back. Not just throw new error, okay? Right? So what does that mean? Uh, an effect basically has three parts, okay? Three parts. There's a success and an error. So Casey, this is like a result in a lot of languages. If you're familiar with, you know, some classic monads, right? The, the extra thing that we'll get to at the end is this little bonus. Bonus piece of info that gets tagged into an effect, which is the requirements.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  So what this computational unit, what this effect depends on, right? So that could be like a database, could be like it has to connect to the network. It could be that I have a service that manages users, whatever it is. We're going to be able to say what things this depends on. Okay, everyone following so far? Is this okay?

• 32:55Speaker 03

  I mean, continue.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Okay, all right, that's fine. Uh, this is too big here. Uh, okay. So here you go. So here's an example. All right. We make, uh, just excuse, it's a little verbose because that's to fit inside of TypeScript. Okay. So there's a little bit of, uh, a little bit of extra things going on there. The main thing I wanted to show here is that we write that it can fail here. So we don't throw anything. We return it, right? And so what is this, uh, what does this do? An HTTP error is just an error that we make. Okay. When we look at what this program's type is, because it's like a, it's basically like a lazy function. So we get this function. It says an effect. If we recall from before, we said there's success, error and requirements.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  Right? So it returns a string normally. That's the easy one. The errors that it can have are the HTTP error here, right? And then, um, and then it has requirements, which, uh, should say actually random here, but I didn't write that down for some. Oh, no, no, sorry. That's right here. Yes. It's just a, this is just a function that returns a random number between zero and one. Okay. So it says we succeed with a string and we fail with an HTTP error. This is so nice if you're used to just like, I don't know, when I've written TypeScript at companies and you're like interacting with other people's code. You can never tell what's going to fail. It's not possible. No trash. Maybe you can back me up on this.

• 34:19Speaker 00

  That's true. Uh, TypeScript has rejected the, uh, at throws symbol as part of their, uh, as part of their documentation so that you could actually say all the functions that throw. So people could better prepare for if something throws and wraps it correctly. Cause a lot of people don't know, say JSON, every single rookie programmer out there takes down their server because they do a JSON dot parse. And it turns out invalid JSON, boom, your server goes down.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Right. So JSON dot parse can throw an exception, right?

• 34:45Speaker 00

  I'm very passionate about the fact that they don't denote this. It pisses me off, but anyways, keep going. Sorry.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  So, so effect says, okay, TypeScript is not going to fix that problem. Generally we can write programs in a way that it's going to, we're going to return errors, right? So it's failures or successes. So that I like this. Now I can go to a piece of code. I can see how it can fail and what, and what it does when it doesn't fail. That's good. All complicated code can fail.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Actually, simple code can fail too. So that's number one. What else do I like about it? It's got cool pattern matching stuff. So, uh, the, the nice thing for it is you can build up different data types. And like, this is an example of something I'm actually using this code. Uh, sorry, it's squished a little bit here, but the main idea is even though you can't actually do pattern matching because TypeScript still doesn't want to add that for some reason. And it's going to be stuck in, uh, it's kind of like C++ case. You know how they like propose a feature you're looking forward to? And then like it sits there forever? I don't know. Trash agreed. Is that not? Is that not how you feel with?

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, everything goes into TC39 and it just dies in TC39. So.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Right. So everyone's excited. They're like, cool. We're going to have this feature. And then it never, it never happens. So the, the thing that I like about this is, uh, like this is another thing. Effect kind of wraps up all of these ideas into one standard library where everything like plays nicely together. So the cool thing for this is this status is a field on my content page. The thing to note is it's like, there are certain values it can be. If I had typed like publish here instead of published, it would, it would have an error. Cause it actually is doing like really complicated type checks to make sure that that works. So that's great. Cause I want to, uh, be able to know safely that these things are all matching up with each other. Uh, there's also like more kinds of pattern matching, like I said, that it has, I'm not going to go too deep into this

• 36:32Speaker 02

  for those of you who are interested. I really like this. This makes me happy. I miss like writing OCaml and some other languages that can let me know that I'm actually handing all the case, handling all the cases instead of like if else if else if else if else if whoops. That's, I don't want that. If I didn't include.

• 36:49Speaker 00

  Question. Is that a, is that a TypeScript error? Right? Is that a compile time TypeScript error?

• 36:54Speaker 02

  What?

• 36:55Speaker 00

  If you forget to handle one of the cases, or is that a runtime? Like, hey, you didn't handle all the cases?

• 37:00Speaker 02

  In in effect or in regular?

• 37:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, in effect with the match.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  In effect, if I didn't have this, it would be a TypeScript error.

• 37:06Speaker 00

  Oh, nice. Okay, so you get some compile time stuff. Oh, that's that. That is very nice.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, so this like property here, this is a union effectively of these different types with tags, right? So it says, if I didn't include number here, it would say, yo, dog, you're not handling number correctly. Right? Which is what I want to have happen. If I change this notion property thing, this is real code that I've been writing like this past week and a half. So that's why I picked this, because we're writing some cool like automation stuff for Prime's YouTube.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  So I like this. It helps me make sure that I'm handling the cases. I miss exhaustive pattern matching from like different functional languages I've enjoyed. But yeah, so that part I really like. I think it's cool, too. Schema by itself is a really cool thing. I'm not going to go into crazy detail on this either. I'm just pacing some code snippets from what I have. This is a generated schema that I did where I asked Notion, hey, Notion, what does our table look like? So it and it returns back like what fields and columns we have in this like Notion database table that we're using. And I generated a schema. And the cool thing for this really short is it just says like, here's the literal. So it says it could be upcoming, short, live, or video.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  You can actually like use this inside of here. And then when I decode this, this is the thing Prime's gonna like. Instead of just calling JSON dot parse and then saying as any.

• 38:31Speaker 00

  Well, it does that implicitly. Parse doesn't as any on on top of it, yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  Instead of doing that, this will check and make sure that each of the values that I'm putting into this basically like class or struct actually matches all of the constraints that I said and will like give me back an effect failure if it doesn't do that. So I'm forced to handle the case where it doesn't parse correctly. You're like, wow, crazy. You're like, yes, for some reason, no, it does this before.

• 38:57Speaker 00

  Hold on. When you say parse correctly, do you mean like if it doesn't match the shape of the object?

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Yes, so like first off, it's like.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  It's like a replacement for ZOD. It's a runtime validation of types.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  Yep. Yes, it will do that, too. Yes.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Quick question, T.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Yes, go ahead, Trash. Of course.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  So a lot of stuff you're writing with effect. Effect basically has some like core lib that like exports a bunch of these little utilities for you. Like, I can't just use a random library and have it work type magically because it obviously needs all this like magical types.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  You. Well, it depends. So like, I'll give an example, actually. Trash, great question. Services. Here, I'll go down. Let me give you, this is like a really dumb one. This is just like, so service is the last thing in, if we go way back to here and we look at our effect. Services are the things that go kind of in this third requirements section, right? So you're saying, oh, this one is going to touch HTTP. This one's going to hit users. This one's going to do whatever. So services, the cool thing for this, like I said, this is like normally, we could talk about this for hours, but I'll go really short.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  You can create a service that just basically returns, the important part here is this, it returns something that has a lookup function. And I can use that later, like inside of, inside of this, I could use cache lookup. I skipped some code inside of here, right? And so these services can talk to each other and some other stuff there. The thing, though, Trash, for this is you can wrap a different service. Like in this case, I'm wrapping the Notion client. And then I would define a bunch of different functions that are like properly handled. I could write down the shape of anything that I wanted to, to make sure I'm actually getting back the right shaped code, right, and the right shaped responses. And then the rest of it will work really nicely with Effect.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Effect has easy way to go back and forth between like promises world and like Effect world, right? So if you're writing like async await stuff, you can move into those really easily. So there's a bunch of other stuff I'm not going to talk about, but that I've been having fun with.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Like, for example, something that's really cool is it like really easily integrates with like open telemetry. So like this is, I have like a trace and I hit this Notion webhook and it does all the tracing for me and like does all of this. That just happens like automatically by using stuff like this. You know, if I make a function and I tag it with this, it'll automatically create spans and do all this other stuff, observability, manage that. That's cool. That's actually super sick. Right, so it's like, I don't know anything about those things. I'm too stupid to understand hotel.

• 41:38Speaker 00

  Can you have that enabled for like debug builds and or like production debug builds versus production? Like, can you have it flip on and off versus like some crazy runtime code to be able to like insert it on and off? Because that'd be super cool to be like, I want to measure this production build, but I fundamentally don't want this all the time on. This is just like my one time run to be able to do some sort of measurements.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  You would just change it probably by, so actually the way that you would do that is like you would pass in. We, I didn't talk about this, but the cool thing with requirements. Okay, yeah, the, the cool thing with the like this requirements thing for services is it says you need to provide it with something that has the same shape. So you could provide an open telemetry layer or like service that just is all no ops. Right? So then instead of actually doing anything, it would just like call the function and not do anything, right? Like TypeScript, you can't compile them out like you could if you were in C and you have a debug build versus this, right? We don't have like macros like that, but I mean like.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Strategy tab. I've heard of it. Okay, I've heard of this.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  But in, you know, in, in JavaScript land, calling a no op function, you've got bigger problems, uh, usually. Performance wise, uh, you're, you're willing to give away a free few free function calls. So yes, you can do that. You can replace the different layers and all of this other stuff. So like actually, uh, like this one is from Sentry. Like I just put in something that integrates with Sentry for the like tracing and I just get that for free on the rest of my stuff. If I wanted to switch to something else, I could just use a different like hotel provider for that, which is cool. So like, so yes, Trash, you can wrap all of your external services to do that, uh, which I think is nice. Um, yeah, so, uh, the last, the last thing is also the commute, whoops.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  The community is really nice and I like them a lot. Shout out to people like Kit Langton. If you guys want to actually see a bunch of really cool stuff, he has a bunch of really cool like visual examples of like what the code does. And then whether those things are okay and you can check, you know, here's this, this piece of code and what it does. So you can understand what's actually going on. Very cool. It's got sounds and other stuff too, if you're playing it, which is nice. So you can, uh, check that out. Kit, Kit is really awesome. Uh, so yeah, so, so my, so anyways, I'm picking a fact and I'm excited. I've been writing a lot of it lately and having a good time. Uh, so there you go. That's a quick rundown too. Sorry, I probably butchered it. I tried to go fast.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  No, that was awesome.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  If I was wrong, blame Kit. If I was wrong, blame Kit, because he's the one who taught me.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  The creator of effect?

• 44:07Speaker 02

  The creator of effect, yeah. Not Mike Arnaldo.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Okay, there you go.

• 44:13Speaker 00

  Well, very good job, TJ.

• 44:14Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't play marimba. Casey, I'll play you a marimba song now.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  Uh, well, while you do that, while you do that, I have some things to say. So we got a treasure train. And so there's been a bunch of gifted subs. Remember, all gifted subs are gonna be donated to NeoVim at the end of the day. I'll calculate up the totals. I'll tweet out how much this, this particular stream went. And I'll send it out to everybody. All of that will be summed up and given out to NeoVim. So thank you. If we get to level 30, I will, um, personally give an additional $5,000 to NeoVim.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Is a treasure train a hype train?

• 44:43Speaker 00

  If all of you guys want to give a bunch, you will force me to give a bunch. In a good way, so.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Is a hype train? A treasure train? Question mark? Or no?

• 44:58Speaker 00

  Hold on, we're just jamming right now.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  TJ's playing marimba for subs, people.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can tell he knows this song. He's going crazy right now.

• 45:49Speaker 00

  Your call is important to us.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  Marimba can be more than home music!

• 45:59Speaker 01

  That is so funny.

• 46:03Speaker 00

  Alright, well, thank you Hardhat Hank, thank you Tristan, thank you Runamucker for the 20 gifted subs. Lowech, thank you Jake IBS, appreciate that. TJ, keep going, we're listening while you do that. Rob the Firekeeper, Orange Path, Tony, appreciate that. Defias with the 50, Spartan My Love for a 5 gifted subs. Hecy96F for the 20, CoGirl for the 20. Ian Den H, thank you for the 20, Radius with the 50, but he did 50 just earlier. Woods and Goods, thank you for the Twitch Prime. Smore with the 50, Defiasol with the 50, CoGirl with the 20. Mattia NT with the Tier 1, Dag MC with the Twitch Prime. Radius with the 50, and Radius with the Twitch Prime 35 months.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Skull Thoughts, hello, I thought I was late, no you're not. Non-Dairy Nutrino, thank you very much. And Twitch itself, thank you for the 100 gifted subs. Thank you, everybody, appreciate that. TJ, amazing marimba play, appreciate that.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  Did I play, I played that all with me, just tiny in the corner, too, like an idiot.

• 47:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was amazing. It was, uh, we, people were squinting.

• 47:08Speaker 02

  But it looked great. That's the only way an elf plays music, okay, is tiny and in the corner, alright? He's a background player.

• 47:15Speaker 00

  Because he's tiny and he's usually in the corner. We're going with Harry Potter elves, too, because we want the thoroughly abused and disillusioned elves.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Dobby!

• 47:25Speaker 00

  Dopey.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Dobby's dead.

• 47:27Speaker 00

  Dobby did a good thing, mister, mister Potter.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, RIP my boy Dobby, dude.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  Good thing they definitely aren't gonna kill, like, the cute ones, right? Uh, again, one more last thing. Jor, thank you, uh, NorMA, appreciate that. 96F, appreciate the 10. Jabowak with the 20, Navo with the 5. McFjordor with the 5. And Rough Cookie, appreciate the 5 gifted subs. We made it up to 20, level 20, that's like the highest hype train I've had in, in, in like a year. So, that's incredible. So, appreciate that, everybody. All will be going, woo, to NeoVim.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  Alright, should we go to the last?

• 48:03Speaker 01

  I'm your turn.

• 48:05Speaker 00

  Is it my turn?

• 48:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's see it.

• 48:06Speaker 00

  Alright, so I did, I thought about this one for a little while because I wasn't really sure what to do. Um, one of the hard parts I had is that I know so many people personally. It, it does make me feel a little bit bad selecting somebody if I know them personally, like, one that was on the list, uh, was HTMX. I really know Carson, I really like him, I think he's fantastic.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  Good choice.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  And so I kinda sit there and I, and I want to, I want to give like HTMX, because I think it's a really valuable library, but at the exact same time, it makes, you know, makes me feel weird. I don't want people being like, "Look at that, it's like nepotism" or something like that, or "cronyism", right? I wanna make sure I pick a library that, uh...

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Big open source Santa!

• 48:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, big open source Santa, with supporting HTMX laser eyes. Uh, and so I wanted to really think about what is the best possible, what is the open source that I use all the time? That truly has made a bigger difference, I think, in my life than anything else? And so then I, it got me to think like, what is the one piece of open source that has literally changed my life? And so I chose Falcor, obviously, for me. No, I, no, uh, the one that has actually literally changed my life, uh, is OBS.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  I don't know why I believed you for a split second.

• 49:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, OBS is the one piece of software that has allowed me to quit my job and do this stuff full-time. Like OBS is single-handedly the greatest piece of open source software that I've ever had in my life, and they have genuinely changed my life. And so I feel like it'd be pretty, uh, it'd be a big miss if I did not, uh, you know, give back to them, and I realize I probably should have given to them more, actually, after like, sitting down and really thinking about it, that, uh, these guys have changed not just my life, but like, there's countless amount of lives that have been changed by OBS that have actually made people change trajectory, careers, uh, slash made people hear about trash dev. And so like, there's been so many things that they have done. Uh, and I think that they very certainly deserve it. And so I would just like to say thank you to OBS.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  And I got to meet some of the OBS people at TwitchCon, and they were genuinely-

• 50:01Speaker 02

  Oh, so it is nepotism!

• 50:04Speaker 00

  It is!

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Watch my stream in Christmas time, okay?

• 50:07Speaker 00

  But I don't remember any of their names, so I think that counts. Like, long as I don't remember their names, you know, it was just a, it was an accidental run-in, a serendipitous run-in at the end of TwitchCon in the Netherlands. And TJ, you were there, if I'm not mistaken, so I don't know what this big talk about not knowing them, um...

• 50:25Speaker 00

  But yeah, so they're just absolutely fantastic.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Who's TJ?

• 50:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, sorry, Elf, Elf J.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:31Speaker 00

  Appreciate that. Are you on a shelf, by the way? So...

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Oh, that would have been so smart. Why did I think to do that?

• 50:38Speaker 00

  Dude, you probably should have brought a shelf and just been sitting on the side, like away from your microphone, kicking your little feet.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  My favorite one, did you see the one Zanu's posted? Vegan on a vegan, where it's vegan on an Elmore shoulder.

• 50:52Speaker 00

  That's pretty good. So there you go. That would be mine. I feel like it is fitting. It is absolutely fantastic and it is the right choice to make.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  I love that. Great, great option. I was gonna suggest the same project, but I was on mute, actually, so...

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Does Zobius have like a, like a, like how many people actively work on it, or is it just...?

• 51:12Speaker 00

  I know there's a lot of people that actively work on it and they are, they mix around in the community, so I figured like that is, that's the one to do.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, I didn't come up with a really sweet presentation, but I did, you know.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  What are you talking about? This whole thing was a presentation for OBS.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  True.

• 51:32Speaker 00

  True.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 51:35Speaker 00

  Alright, so I think those are our four picks. Which means we go into the super bonus round time.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  I'm very excited about this. So I'm gonna do, uh, give me a little second, Josh, take this part out. I'm going to go in here and I'm gonna actually try to get, I'm gonna go to my other OBS, uh, standup and see if I can get that one to work to where it has, um, TJ and everybody on the side in small ones. Okay, that still kind of works, so that's good. Alright, so this is good. Okay, okay, so I believe I just need to swap myself over to here. And now, I believe, alright, so look at this, this is looking pretty good, right?

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 52:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not, it's not the best, okay? I don't really make all the rules here, but I tried my hardest.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  Santa's gotta be big, I get it. Just nothing about the little guys, okay?

• 52:24Speaker 00

  Uh, TJ, you know, size does matter. Okay, so, let's go to the main, there's Elf on a Shelf, so hopefully this can show up. Uh, let's go over... Yeah, this is Elf on a Shelf, by the way, if you're wondering. Thank you, thank you. You know what, I don't even wanna sho-, I don't even wanna show them, okay? Alright, so let's first start off, I guess we'll bring up, uh, do we wanna do YouTube or Twitch first?

• 52:48Speaker 02

  We gotta give YouTube a lot of time. They're not, it's gonna take them like 30 minutes to figure out the game.

• 52:53Speaker 00

  Okay, true.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  You need to tell them to start now.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  Okay, YouTube, I want you guys to start discussing what you want to do. So we'll start with Twitch.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  That is not gonna go well.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, I want you guys to start discussing. Please try not, please refrain from racial slurs.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Twitch!

• 53:10Speaker 00

  That's actually a shout out to, if you guys remember Celebrity Jeopardy. Welcome back everybody to Celebrity Jeopardy. We'll be going, ask the contestants to please refrain from using racial slurs. That was a Sean Connery one. Anyways, okay, so Twitch, you guys get the chance to pick out something. So I want Twitch to say, say all of your favorite projects that you want to give money to. And then, thank you, Beisco. And so everybody say your favorite projects and we're gonna watch it. And I want all of us to look at this and whatever one is there that we see the most of, we'll just pick it.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  That's, wow, okay. We don't even have a poll. There's not even gonna be a poll.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  We will, we will. We're gonna narrow to four, Casey. We're gonna narrow to four.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Also, I posted that gist. Can we post that? Cause I have a list of projects for people to consider there.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Yep. Alright, so I see a decent amount of Ray Libs, Zigs.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  Ray Lib is a good choice.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Odin. I saw quite a few Odens. I saw HTMX too. Hyperland, I see quite a few as well.

• 54:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:14Speaker 03

  People really do seem to like Hyperland.

• 54:15Speaker 00

  I also see, I saw Blender quite a few times as well. So could we say the following? Could we say the following? We're gonna create a poll. Which is gonna be a charity, right? Do we also do, hey, should I also do a prediction? So that way people can bet as well?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  We should get it on, get, quick get it on Polymarket, man.

• 54:36Speaker 00

  Quickly on Polymarket, go! Okay, so I will do, I believe I saw Blender quite a few times in there. Is that fine to say?

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw quite a few.

• 54:43Speaker 00

  Alright. Twitch, why don't you keep on, keep on saying a whole bunch? Because if I scroll up here, we can see, I see a bunch of Ray Libs. Lot of Ray Libs, Hyperlands. I saw Blender to begin, at the beginning. Lot of Ray Libs. Ray Libs and Hyperland do seem very popular.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  I think Ray Lib, Odin and Hyperland are the three that I'm seeing the most.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm fine with saying that. I see a lot of, uh, oh, I see a Jay Querius in there.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  There's a few.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Jay Quellon?

• 55:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay, okay, so we're gonna say Odin.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  Raylib.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  Hyperland? I'm gonna put Blender in there, cuz at the beginning, there was like 20 Blenders right in a row.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I think people were assuming you were, since you already said that.

• 55:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. Alright, there we go. So I'm gonna put those ones in. Anyone else that I was, I, I thought I saw Zig a few times in there, but, uh, I could be fine if there was a different choice.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  Quite a few HTMXs.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  I mean, you should allow people to vote for HTMX just because you don't wanna give it as your choice. I think the people can be-

• 55:49Speaker 00

  True, that's, that's- Then I'm influencing the vote.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Fox populi.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  How are you influencing the vote?

• 55:54Speaker 00

  Because I said something, and so people either will do what I say, or do the exact opposite of what I say. It's one of the other-

• 56:00Speaker 03

  So can't, that cancels each other out. Those'll cancel each other out. The people who don't want you to have happiness in life will cancel out the people who do.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I also-

• 56:08Speaker 03

  So it's a real-

• 56:08Speaker 02

  I see.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  Raylib was actually my other one that I wanted to support. I just didn't mention it, and same with Odin.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  Great, now you're ru- now you're ruining it further.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Oh, that's okay.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  I was like, why'd you even say that? Why'd you say it?

• 56:19Speaker 00

  To be completely fair, the only one I never thought about was Blender. Alright, that's the only one that I didn't think about. Okay.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Now you're just influencing this whole thing.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  I don't, I had to, because if I'm gonna do it once, I gotta do it for all. Here we go. Alright. So right now, Hyperland is, is, is in the lead. Okay, we got Hyperland in the first place, so Hyperland is now sitting out at 18 places. Blender is in a 13, Blender's the second highest rated one. Raylib's sitting in third. Oh, Raylib has taken second of HTMX and Odin very far in the past. Their horses aren't very fast, but Raylib and Blender looking very, very close. We are coming up to the wire right here. We got Hyperland in a very strong lead, but Raylib catching up. Raylib's catching up even faster and faster now. Oh my gosh, but there was a little bit of juice left in that Hyperland, and now it's coming down to just Raylib and Hyperland. Blender is even sitting far out on this one, and it looks like it's gonna be going to Hyperland.

• 57:13Speaker 00

  Dang.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  That's pretty good commentary.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Well, what we see in the past year, Prime, is that on Mondays, it does appear in the past 37 games that Hyperland's played. Mondays where it's rainy, they do seem to come out on top. They've got a 37 and 12 record on Monday.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  There we go. Nice.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  So Twitch officially has picked Hyperland.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  So Twitch has picked Hyperland. Okay, interesting.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Officially.

• 57:40Speaker 00

  Officially. Rigged. Uh, already we got rigged calls on the play.

• 57:48Speaker 00

  I don't know about that one. Okay, YouTube. Now that YouTube has had the chance to think about it, YouTube, I want you guys to start spamming what you think. Uh, because I guess I could start way up here and kind of start scrolling down. What do we see? So here, I'm just gonna go nice and slow. So we got some of this right here. Problem is, people can spam a lot more. There's not a lot of like YouTube controls for spamming.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  That's okay. That's okay. We can, we're processing that in our brains. It's hard to read for chat, though, I think, because you're blocking half of YouTube on us right now, just as a heads up. Yep.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  There we go. We see some, okay, so we got a bunch of Raylibs kind of floating in to begin with, but it looks like a little bit of spam, a little bit of Blender.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Decent, decent distribution of Raylib people, though.

• 58:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay, so I'd say Raylib gets a second chance. And it looks like, uh, we got an FFM peg in there. We only got one. MS Word. We got some MS Words in there. All right, all right.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  All right, so what do we, what do we think here? What are we thinking?

• 58:55Speaker 01

  They look like the same choices.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  Ladybird.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  I, I did see some Ladybird in there. A lot of Raylibs, though. I think Blender wants to make a second chance. Looks like Blender's wanting...

• 59:06Speaker 01

  I see some Bill Gates. All right, all right.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  Bill Gates, the most important one. All right, so here we go. So we'll, we'll start a poll, and we will do a charity, right?

• 59:19Speaker 00

  Charity and we will do our Raylib. We will do, what's the next one?

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Ladybird.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  Blender. Ladybird. For those that don't know, Ladybird is an op- or not an operating system, really it's an operating system. It is a browser. Yeah, it was.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  It was an operating system.

• 59:36Speaker 00

  It is a browser in which is gonna be truly open source and not filled with AIs and just be a browser for the sake of being a browser and not owned by Google. So, I know. Crazy times. This is gonna be crazy times out here.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  I guess throw Bill Gates in there as well, or?

• 59:51Speaker 00

  We could throw Bill Gates in there.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  No, because they'll pick, they'll pick, they'll pick Bill Gates.

• 59:54Speaker 00

  They will actually pick Bill Gates.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  We have to abide by the results of the poll.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I, I don't wanna open up anything owned by Bill Gates and give money to a GitHub. I mean GitHub might need it. Alright, anybody else?

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  Can you, here's a question. Does, uh, does the, do the folks who donated this money to be given away, could they also donate a CEO? In which case we could gift it to GitHub.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  I would love to see Sam running GitHub.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  Alright, they do need a CEO is my understanding. Uh, since they have like no leadership apparently, right? Like it's just kinda like floating around inside Microsoft orgs or something?

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  Casey, you gotta, Casey, you gotta do the play-by-play here. Do the horse race.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  Oh, he made it small!

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  All I see is a super blurry Prime. I can't even read the text on the Prime, so you just blurt out.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  It collapsed anyways. You can't even, it just shows the winner.

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  Ladybird at 39%, Ladybird at 37%, Ladybird, Ladybird, Ladybird. We can't see the rest of the options.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  Why did it collapse everything? Come on, YouTube.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Should donate to YouTube, fix them.

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  38%, 39%, 38%.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  It's a pretty big, uh...

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  Where did Prime go?

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  By the way, PP. Be right back. Yeah, that's my guess.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  There's no peeing in Christmas.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:01:14Speaker 03

  You think Santa Claus has time to pee while he's delivering presents to everyone in the entire world?

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  To be fair, Casey, if he does have the ability to travel around the whole world in one night, he probably does have time to go pee.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Cause he must have some time distortion device, right? So it's like, that's the only thing that makes sense.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  Or he just has like a little like, you know, a little cup that he pees in, like an Amazon delivery driver.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  It could be, could be. Maybe he's picking up all the presents from the Amazon delivery warehouse.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  It probably is. It probably is just like his sleigh just has like one of those little smiles written on the side of it. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Real question though. Have you ever been in a situation where you had to pee like in a cup because you're just stuck in traffic or something?

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  No. Trash, you're about to tell us.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, me either. Me neither. I mean, I've been close, but I was like so scared of like the consequence of doing it. I've just like spilling it like all over my lungs.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  No way. No way.

• 1:02:09Speaker 00

  I am shocked that Lady Bird has done so well. It's up to Lady Bird and Ray Lib. I'll give, I'll give YouTube one more minute.

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  So, because YouTube, you know, they, they, you know, they, they take a long time.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  They do.

• 1:02:23Speaker 00

  And so we'll let, we'll let them have a moment. So Ray Lib or Lady Bird? You guys need to figure it out and put your votes in.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  I like how nobody even bothered to look at my list. I spent all this time putting together this.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Casey, we put, we showed it on screen. I think. And we pinned it in chat.

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  Multiple times.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  No one cared. No one cared about my list. They don't care about me. They don't care about my list. I know when I'm not.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Don't worry about it. It's fine. I'm not taking it personally.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Crime said the Luigi pick was great.

• 1:02:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, I specifically said Luigi was great.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  You know, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna have hurt feelings about this, you know, that just that no one cares.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  You guys ruined Casey's Christmas.

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  That's fine, you know.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  This is the last time we're seeing Casey on this thing.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  It's fine. Don't worry about it. It's good.

• 1:03:06Speaker 00

  Alright.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  I'm not, I'm not hurt. I'm not heartbroken about it. I'm not gonna cry myself to sleep tonight.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  That's good to hear Casey, I'm glad that you're doing okay with it.

• 1:03:15Speaker 00

  I will say that YouTube's interface is quite confusing cuz votes are going both up and down. So that is a little confusing to have them go back down, but we are up to 560 votes.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say, this sounds like some, is this some kind of American democracy you're running here? What's going on?

• 1:03:30Speaker 00

  There's something going on here, oh, it's Google again.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Votes are coming in, they're going out, they're coming in again, they're going out, they're getting disqualified, like...

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

  Alright, here we go, so we officially, oh, nice, there it is. It officially goes to Lady Bird.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Alright, Lady Bird.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  Five thousand dollars from YouTube to Lady Bird, let's go.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  Great choice.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  Absolutely fantastic. Alright, so TJ, I believe we have a little bit more.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was just gonna go look up, look, uh, look up our number for where it's at right now.

• 1:04:03Speaker 00

  Alright everybody, so we got a little extra surprise.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Hold on one second, I realized I left off my hood.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  Alright TJ, you wanna give like a little bit of a background to this? So this is the super bonus one that I was talking about, the one that nobody knows about.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Including us by the way, no one told me about this.

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  Or me, actually a lot of people know about it.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Me and Casey never know. I was like, we've talked about it before, but we just haven't told people what, where we're at right now. So, for those of you who don't know, you've seen Prime and his wonderful, beautiful, amazing, handsome, Arch sweater lately, you've been seeing it? And when we asked Arch if we could use the trademark, we said we'd love to be able to give you guys back some money for using the trademark on the stuff. So we've been, we're gonna split with them 50% of the profits from what we've been selling. And so that comes to about, roughly speaking, there's a few more days left in the year for this, but it will be about $7,000 that we'll also get to give to Arch. So we'll be sending them a check as well, which is very exciting, so shout out Arch.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  We're gonna be sending money to, I guess it's called like the Arch Linux Project or something, I don't remember their legal name. But the people who are actually running it and making it happen, we talked to a bunch of them, and so that's exciting, so we're excited to be able to do that too. That's cuz of you guys, that's from you guys buying the shirt, so shout out to you, you're helping Arch.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Now, I would just like to suggest, if I may.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  Yes. Okay.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  That if you are going to give money to Arch, you should give money to Arch in a way appropriate to Arch. Like first, you should have to convert that money into like... Hard currency. Then it should have to go through some kind of like a transfer process into like a foreign currency. And then it should have to get deposited.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  I just want to say, don't launder it, though. Because Arch is not about that life.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're not about that clean life.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Sorry. Anyways, continue, Casey.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, so it should be, it should be like, you should have to do a fair bit of like, specific technical steps to make this donation. Otherwise, it doesn't feel right. Like, if you were to just like, you know what I'm saying? It should feel Arch.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  PayPal. Yeah, we have to build our own payment processor first.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude, it's gotta be something, yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Then you gotta use your sphincter's print, fingerprint.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Your sphincter print?

• 1:06:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. You gotta get your fingerprint in there.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:06:32Speaker 00

  Really quickly.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Now, if I'm not mistaken, anyone who's currently been on the Omarchi hype train is also sort of an Arch user now, right?

• 1:06:42Speaker 00

  Yes, by, by, by accent, really.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  Sort of by, but they are downstream of it. Is that the only popular distribution besides Arch itself that is Arch-derived? Or are there others now? Catchy OS, is Catchy OS Arch-derived?

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  Steam OS, if I'm not mistaken, is also, is also Arch, correct?

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Is that true?

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  Yes, Steam OS.

• 1:07:05Speaker 00

  Oh, people are saying Manero, Manero.

• 1:07:07Speaker 03

  So there's, so there's a fair, like, Arch.

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  Oh, Manjaro, sorry. Manjaro.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Arch is now fairly, is, is kind of upstream of a lot of, of distributions that are gaining in popularity as well, so. I use Arch, by the way, is now gonna be a lot more common for a lot more people.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  That's what every guy is saying when he shows off his sweet Steam Deck. He's like, yo, girl, I use Arch, by the way.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  Yo, girl.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Girl, can I get your GitHub? Girl, give me your GitHub.

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  All right, and then one last obvious thing that we need to kind of point out right here. Now, this may not perfectly and accurately represent the totals yet. Uh, but today, we are sitting at $2,470 worth of subs.

• 1:07:52Speaker 00

  So all of those subs are gonna of course go straight to Neo Vim, so I don't know where that's gonna end at. It might, you know, sometimes it takes a little bit of processing and all that and then it'll end somewhere in there.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Very nice.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  Would it be fair to say that Neo Vim is the future of Vim?

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  Dang.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Is that a good tagline? Neo Vim, the future of Vim.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  I like it.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  That's how I classify it.

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  It sounds super cool, but I know I have a very strong feeling that there's a few people right now already getting a tweet ready. Oh, sorry, sorry. They're already getting a Mastodon post ready to kind of discredit you right now.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  Is Mastodon still a thing?

• 1:08:31Speaker 00

  Mastodon is both still a thing and it is still the thing people go to say mean things on.

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  But not as bad as Blue Sky.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  I forgot that existed too.

• 1:08:43Speaker 03

  So did most people.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  That's alright. Yeah.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  I wanted to just remind everybody that, you know, in the audience, shout out to Planet Scale for this idea.

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Sam came to us with the idea and threw it out, so hopefully this was fun for everybody and we got to highlight some fun projects. So I just wanna at least throw that out one more time for sure.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Can we in earnest plug that? Because I literally have a question right now. What does Planet Scale do? Teach?

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  Great question. Planet Scale is your all-in-one solution for hosting, sharding, and having high-performance MySQL and Postgres databases anywhere in the world. You want it to work well, you want it to run fast, you want it to be high uptime? Choose Planet Scale.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  And so they run databases specifically or anything you want?

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  They just do database hosting stuff.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Okay, so if you've got databases, they will database you.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  And they're very like focused on just that problem. So they have like a few different options. They have some cool like sharding and replication stuff. They have cool ways to get very high performance like replication all across. And they have stuff to basically run it on like, I think they call it bare metal or something. It's a little bit like, I think Casey, you might be like, it doesn't sound exactly like bare metal, but it's like bare metal for the database world. So they have a lot of like very nice offerings for that. So there you go. That's Planet Scale.

• 1:10:01Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  And they have a cool website, I think, too, which is nice.

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Like, I think it looks cool. So there you go, there's that, too.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  I was like, okay.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  You are sitting in front of a giant block of green right now, Teach, so.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, right. Well, yeah, my, my style is obviously good.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  You can, you can trust me.

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. It's like, I know what a stylish website looks like.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  You guys, you guys think I don't know style? Have you seen these?

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yes.

• 1:10:31Speaker 00

  I can't believe Teach just threw his feet on stream like that.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  Barefoot.

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  I know. Clip it, ship it, boys.

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  The subscriptions are about to skyrocket on this channel.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  It tells for free?

• 1:10:44Speaker 03

  Prime, I'm not even kidding, I think the very first thing I saw before I knew you at all, the very first thing I saw from your stream was literally you sticking your foot in the camera going, "Look at that separation." That's what I saw.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  And I was like, alright, this guy clearly is, is good. I am like totally.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Ew.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Dude, so.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  It's not that bad. My wife used to let me spoon her, she no longer likes it because she's like, "Nah, I like the sleep," you know, anyways. Uh, when she'd spoon, sometimes, you know, the back of her heel? I would take the separation and grip the back of her heel with my toe and pinch it.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  That's so gross.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  You definitely did not get permission to tell that story.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  That is disgusting. I can like feel it.

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  Oder share.

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  I can grab my little feces.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  TMI, TMI stream. You just, that $2,400 of donations is gonna, is gonna be revoked immediately. Like, everyone is coming in and unsubscribing.

• 1:11:44Speaker 00

  Thank you, planet scale.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  Right now.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  Let me see how far I can spread my toes. Oh my god, I can't even spread my toe.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, this has gone so far off the rails. This has gone so far off the rails.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  It's not that, like, like, look, this is me relaxed.

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  What? Yeah, yeah, it's like a gun sight. I can like look right through it. I'm looking right through it, I'm looking right at it. That's me relaxed.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:12:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  That's your ADT, aim down toe?

• 1:12:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Can't do it.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  Right mouse click to aim down toes.

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  And that was completely relaxed, so I wasn't like trying to open them up.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  So you've been getting like some nasty stuff in between there, huh?

• 1:12:27Speaker 00

  No, it's nice and open, like what do you?

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  It's so big, nothing could get stuck there.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true, fair enough.

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  When you have no space, that's when the nasty things happen. You've got like stuff rubbing together, okay?

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  Trash, be honest, how often are you cleaning between your toes?

• 1:12:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, Trash.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Uh, every time I'm in the shower, which is every day, okay?

• 1:12:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, right, there's no way.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  I shower every, I?

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  No, we believe that you shower every day.

• 1:12:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Oh, are you talking about like how I like clean my toes like actively?

• 1:12:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know.

• 1:12:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I am lying, I am lying.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  Nothing exists below my waist as far as I'm concerned, so.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  I'm just kidding. I've cleaned up down to my ankles, I'm not flexible, so it's hard for me to like grab my toes.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  Wait, how do you do fancy jujitsu things with no flexibility?

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  It's hard. It's hard, you know?

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  It's hard.

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  Hey, uh, TJ, did you know this? Fun fact.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Planet Scale's only designer, Jason Long, designed the Neovim logo.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Oh. What?

• 1:13:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  Where did you just find that out?

• 1:13:30Speaker 00

  Sam, CEO of Planet Scale.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Sam, that's crazy lore, what the heck?

• 1:13:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is actually insane lore. Just dropping lore like that?

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  All the money's actually going to Planet Scale?

• 1:13:43Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  It all goes back to Planet Scale?

• 1:13:47Speaker 00

  All roads lead back to Planet Scale.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  All roads lead to, wait a second. He's like, dude, they're crazy.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  It's like, it's the AI like, uh, it's the AI bubble trade diagram, but it's all the open source projects we just gave to. They all funnel back to this one designer.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  Wow. That's actually crazy. I need, I'm gonna have to follow up with Sam about that after this.

• 1:14:12Speaker 00

  By the way, uh, Xanis did a nice job and, uh, got a nice image of me.

• 1:14:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  Looking through my foot. Look at that, right there.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  Do you scrub the bottom of your feet? Like with a, the rock or whatever?

• 1:14:25Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  No?

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  With a rock? You mean a pumice?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Is that what it's called?

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Are you afraid to do a pumice?

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Baby.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  I don't know what a pumice is.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  I'm afraid to ask what it means. It's a little like, it's a porous like rock thing you use to exfoliate.

• 1:14:38Speaker 00

  I'm pretty sure you're trying to say pumice.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  Uh, well, you know, tomato, tomato crime.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  It's pronounced, it's pronounced hummus.

• 1:14:47Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:49Speaker 03

  Alright, you know, why be pedantic about it?

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  That's the end of the episode.

• 1:14:53Speaker 00

  All episodes uploaded as soon as we humanly can upload them. You should find them right away. Links in the description. Thank you very much for joining us. A big special thank you to Planet Scale. Absolutely amazing. Second, big thanks to Casey, Trash, and TJ for preparing amazing, uh, donations to where they're going. And lastly, big thanks to Twitch and YouTube. That was incredible, uh, incredible picks by both of you. Thank you very much, everybody.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  Bye, everybody. We'll see you later.

• 1:15:20Speaker 00

  Is the stand-up.