SSC Tuatara Review; No More Regs; Merc EVs

We drove the 1750HP SSC Tuatara! What a thing it was! How's it feel? Compare to a Bugatti or a Pagani or a Koenigsegg? Is it worth the money? And what about that record thing... Plus, Mercedes stops selling EVs in CA; fuel economy standards end: what does it mean?; and we answer Patreon questions including: Why do old cars have "patina" and newer cars "look rough"? Should I replace my tired suspension with aftermarket or OEM? Are mild performance cars a good value? How do we feel about Detroit? Has the G80 M3 grown on us? Best T-tops for summer? Which generation of Audi TT RS is best? Why we haven't talked about Subaru EVs Glock watches Best snow super SUV And more! Recorded Friday, August 1, 2025 Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/tire #rulapod DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:44Matt Farah?

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• 1:25Matt Farah?

  Zach and I have gone to Washington to review the SSC Tuatara. Plus, my Myers Manks is done. Mercedes has stopped selling EVs in California. And SEMA, the entire aftermarket and all the manufacturers are basically jumping for joy because America has decided that we aren't going to have fuel economy standards anymore. Yay! It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go! I have been thinking about like, death and loneliness like a little too much.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:59Matt Farah?

  A little too much. For someone who like, isn't likely to die and isn't particularly lonely, I've been having thoughts and I think it's like triggered by like stuff. It's triggered by seeing some fucking abandoned dog on Instagram or something.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Oh, your algorithm, okay.

• 2:21Matt Farah?

  Well, cuz if you like, when they, if they, like, when you get a... When you watch like pet videos, you get fed all the pet videos and many of them are cute. And some of them have like happy endings, like they find a dog that's like about to die and save it. But still, I'm spending too much time thinking about the person that left the dog to die.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  You know, that kind of thing.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49Matt Farah?

  And it's like, that's just mixed in with my pet enthusiasm.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:54Matt Farah?

  General. And it's, it's been affecting me. It has been affecting me. My shrink says that's because I'm becoming more emotionally mature and I should be happy that I'm being affected by that.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Hundred percent true.

• 3:05Matt Farah?

  And I'm like, yeah, but like, it sucks.

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  Is that what that means? Oh, good. I'm emotionally maturing. I'm just, that's just makes me sad all the time now.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  More, yeah, in a way. I don't know.

• 3:20Matt Farah?

  He's like, you know, you need to learn to really appreciate things like that. It's like, you know, we've been doing therapy for like almost like 20 years, like. You've actually finally fed back.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  This is what we call a breakthrough.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  Something, this is something that we've done has actually sunk in.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like the Seinfeld thing when he's like, what is this salty discharge when he's feeling emotions? I went to a concert last week and I like started to well up during it and I was like, what is happening?

• 3:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  So I was just, and it was fantastic performance.

• 3:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  What is this salty discharge?

• 3:51Matt Farah?

  Just good thing we're just fucking lefty queer.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:56Matt Farah?

  Speaking of which, uh, this one's funny. Uh, was this like, I think was this before we went to Texas and talked about this?

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:02Matt Farah?

  Before we went to Texas, Zach joked about a, a study that was done.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Cato Institute.

• 4:08Matt Farah?

  The Cato Institute, uh, which can be viewed at freedominthe50states.org. And Texas, and Zach had joked that Texas was, uh, I believe dead last, 50 out of 50 in personal freedom. Personal freedoms, yeah.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:27Matt Farah?

  And, uh, you know, a couple of angry people suggested that we go check our lib cells. And that, uh, California. was 48th out of 50 in the same Freedom Study and I was like, well, that's odd, is that right? So we just went back and looked and it's in, you have to, I'm not saying that we read the chart wrong or that this person read the chart wrong and I don't remember the exact wording that you used the time, but I'm pretty sure you did say personal freedom.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  I think I did and, and this person who commented is correct. I had highlighted personal freedom because I was looking at things like, you know, marijuana, like things that they've been banning recently in Texas and I was like, oh, let's look at the personal freedoms, but to be fair to the commenter, when you go to the economic freedom, then California is 48th and Texas is 6th.

• 5:21Matt Farah?

  But if you look at the economic freedom, if you just stay on that, basically, they were saying, but look at this other completely different chart where California is at the bottom. Like you were looking at one chart and they were saying, well, you're selectively because, because California, you said Texas is last, 50th, but California is 48th, but that's on a different chart.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, to be fair to them, I did not, I did not mean to imply, like, I wasn't trying to obscure data, like I focused on that part of it and that's what I looked at, but I get where they're coming from.

• 5:57Matt Farah?

  Economic freedom typically implies higher state taxes, building restrictions and stuff and as you can see, the bottom of the list is New York, Oregon, Washington and California. Like, those are places that have those things, right? And so, yeah, okay, but so if you look at overall, the overall freedom, which I guess chooses to weight everything in a certain way.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know how it weights it, but as you see, like California remains 48th.

• 6:28Matt Farah?

  So, my guess is that this study somehow weights economic freedom more harshly than personal freedom. Right?

• 6:37Speaker 01

  I mean, mathematically, it must.

• 6:39Matt Farah?

  It has to.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  Because if California goes from, what was it, seventh? No, sorry.

• 6:44Matt Farah?

  Sixth.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Eleventh.

• 6:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  If it's eleventh and forty-eight, if those were evenly weighted, then the middle would be like twenty-seventh or something like that, but it stays forty-eighth. So economic freedom is, is, uh...

• 6:56Matt Farah?

  So this particular study clearly weights economic freedom over personal freedom.

• 7:02Matt Farah?

  I, my values, I don't know about your values, but my values, um, and granted, it's, as someone who's never really grown up with, with money struggles in that way, I value personal freedom over economic freedom. I'd rather pay higher taxes and I'd rather, uh, personally deal with the hard, I don't have a problem with harsh building codes. Someone who builds, there's problems with the California building code process, but it's not that it's hard to build. That's not like my problem with it. And I, I prefer personal freedoms where individuals are left alone and not fucking persecuted.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  You know what they also might be waiting, though, is stuff like, like business incentives. You know, the film industry has basically left Los Angeles.

• 7:48Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Because a lot of other states provide amazing tax breaks or kickbacks.

• 7:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Kickbacks, like the legal kind.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  You know, whatever. Um, and California doesn't.

• 7:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, California sucks that way.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Right, so there's like, there's so many industries that it's probably a lot easier to run in, in other states.

• 8:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  The tuning industry, car tuning industry.

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  A lot of them are moving out.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, my God, I saw the story this morning. I wrote it down. One of the stories this morning is like, SEMA is having like an Eyes Wide Shut-style orgy right now with, because fucking, because the fuel economy regulations have been killed. Like, we, we, we have no more, we don't have laws anymore.

• 8:29Matt Farah?

  Like crimes are like legal now.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Some of them.

• 8:31Matt Farah?

  Have you seen the, you watch, uh, you watch Coffeezilla?

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Uh, occasionally.

• 8:35Matt Farah?

  I like Coffeezilla. Have you seen his merch?

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 8:39Matt Farah?

  I, I ordered a T-shirt. His merch, his, his T-shirts just say crime is legal.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:44Matt Farah?

  Which is, which is, is not an endorsement, by the way. That's just like, this is a guy who does deep dives on crypto scams and rug pulls and influencer scams and like, just, just people who take advantage of other people using the digital economy. That's this guy's entire shtick. And his merch, his conclusion is that crime is legal. That's how little these people get in trouble for doing this kind of shit.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:11Matt Farah?

  And now, fuel economy standards don't exist anymore. Like, that's so crazy. Fuel economy standards brought us hypercars.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Well, they brought us direct injection.

• 9:22Matt Farah?

  Turbo charging.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Huge power.

• 9:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:25Matt Farah?

  Like, all, like, dude, when they, when they said you have to do, make all these cars turbocharge, they all gained 250 horsepower, like, one model year later.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a, yeah, that's a good point. I mean, sometimes constraints, uh, nurture innovation.

• 9:40Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  You know, if something is totally unrestrained, that people can be less creative. They just think, whatever I'm doing works fine.

• 9:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  And so it does that.

• 9:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  I understand there's people on the other side who think that some of the requirements were getting too strict. I mean, some of the, the deadlines set for car companies may have actually been impossible, but I think any rate, the pendulum hath swung too far.

• 10:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, even you and I said, the, the all EV mandate was never gonna happen. They were gonna get a headline while they could, and they were gonna backpedal when they realized it was totally untenable. And that's like a realistic thing to say, even if you think fuel economy standards are probably a good thing to have. Um, and even if, like...

• 10:26Matt Farah?

  I mean dude, come on, like, don't you like to fucking breathe? Like, don't, like, even if you think, even if you're the kind of person who's gonna modify your car in a way that won't pass emissions, even if you are that kind of person. I'm not saying you're a horrible person. I'm just saying, like, even if you're willing to break the rule, do you really want that rule to not exist? Like, you, you know what I mean?

• 10:51Speaker 01

  I, I think.

• 10:52Matt Farah?

  For the automakers, you don't, you want the automakers to be able to sell the dirty shit to like, everybody?

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Right. I mean, look at, look at Volkswagen.

• 11:00Matt Farah?

  They will do whatever the fuck they can get away with.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 11:04Matt Farah?

  And if you tell them they can get away with anything, that's that.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:10Matt Farah?

  Fuck.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  That's what industry will do.

• 11:12Matt Farah?

  Dude, you, even if you like tuning your fucking car, if you're someone who sells tunes, okay, fine, you don't want rules. But if you're just a person, and you've, you've got a modified car, you can't possibly think that what you're doing should be legal across the board.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  I, I, I think of that a lot when I see people that run a Catless exhaust, and we've, we've beat this horse to death, I'll be quick, like, Steve Dian, explain. The horsepower you lose by just running a high-flow Cat versus Catless is negligible.

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Literally negligible, but I think this myth has perpetuated for a long time, that people need this open, open pipe thing, and if you're behind them, it smells like, you just know that everything is just going up into the atmosphere. And the pictures from the seventies in many cities, and like, have shown, like, you get smog, you get this buildup, and I understand that large industries are contributing a lot more mathematically to all of the greenhouse gas, if you believe in that stuff. If you don't, then you could probably skip this part, but, like, the city of Los Angeles was choked with shit, a lot of that because of cars, because that was the local source of his emissions.

• 12:16Matt Farah?

  The whole argument against, like, the whole argument people use is like, if they wanna run, like, any car with, like, dirty emissions. Look, and I'm not a fucking saint in this regard, I'm not saying I am. But all of our arguments are always like, it's just me, it's not everybody. What if it was everybody?

• 12:34Speaker 01

  That's very funny.

• 12:35Matt Farah?

  What if it was?

• 12:36Speaker 01

  It could now be everybody.

• 12:37Matt Farah?

  Now we're in 1972. Like, you know, like, that's what, we don't want that, that, nobody wants that. Even the fuck, this is like, this is like adding lanes, it's like to highway. No, you know, even if you want to drive. Like, having effective public transport will clear the highways of the people who don't want to drive but have no other choice, leaving the people who do want to drive. Like, traffic will be better for you if you give a whole bunch of those people another option that works that isn't a car. You don't need to force people out of their cars.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Wait, sorry, how does that relate to the emissions thing?

• 13:14Matt Farah?

  Because, like, um, alright, wait, I have to back it up. It's just like the understanding of, of, uh, of an issue, like, like, if it's ju- I'm waiting. I related two things in terms of, like, the way that groups think about stuff, but now I'm struggling to go back and connect them. Hmm, maybe I shouldn't bother. Maybe I should just move on.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 13:42Matt Farah?

  I think the point was made.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Okay, that's fine.

• 13:44Matt Farah?

  It doesn't happen often, but I did lose myself first.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  I mean, look, I, my wife's flight was delayed six hours, I went to bed at 2:30, so my brain is not running. But, um, I think it's, it's gonna be interesting to see what the car companies do, and, like, you know, they've put a lot of money into this tech, and also, something we've talked about a lot is, you know, the administrations, if they change every four years, if you've, if you've done a bunch of R&D and you've done a bunch of tooling and stuff, you're gonna reverse course totally, and then it changes again, maybe-

• 14:13Matt Farah?

  Administrations move faster than the development of a single vehicle.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Well put. So, you know, now if this means the catalytic converter manufacturer business goes to zero for three years, or six if they just extend the terms, um, like El Salvador, then, that might be one thing, but I don't know if they'll have to start pulling, like, turbos and direct injection out of engines, because all of the factories are designed to make engines like that right now.

• 14:37Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, I don't, I don't think that overnight, it's gonna be, you know, we're not selling cats anymore, that's not what it's gonna be, but, but what you may find is, in a fairly short development cycle-

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  The emissions of vehicles become less of a priority and an independent study may find that while you know tailpipe emissions have been dropping starting in mid 2025 they stop dropping. Like that's what you're gonna see. It's not it's not gonna be like the whole it's not gonna turn to 1972 by Christmas, you know, but like bro fucking they're gonna bring back the Hellcat in like five fucking minutes.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  I was gonna say the TRX is back. I think they're gonna use what they have in the pantry. So if they have the tooling and they can spin it back up or just un you know, open some boxes again, they totally will.

• 15:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  And if they have moved on, like we talked to at 911 ST launch. When I asked like, how come it's limited to this stuff? They were like, well, some of the things we make for this, like the tooling breaks down. And at a certain point, you cannot make more things.

• 15:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  So if it's that situation, I don't know if they'll make a new, you know, reorder a machine to then make this thing that used to burn a fuck ton of gas. But they got TRX engines laying around. They're like, open that door.

• 15:55Matt Farah?

  For sure. Um, I just, I don't, I can't see how even as a car enthusiast, you know, stopping the progression of efficiency in cars is a good thing.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, one of our commenters made a good point that unless fuel prices go down significantly, most consumers are not going to be drawn towards inefficient cars because everything's more expensive.

• 16:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  And inefficient cars tend to be expensive because they have a lot of horsepower and they sell them for more money. So people aren't gonna go, oh, I'm gonna stretch to buy this thing that burns way more gas than my current car.

• 16:32Matt Farah?

  I mean, I would hope so, but you know, people in America buy the biggest fucking fastest thing they can afford a lot of the time. But I don't know, I will see. Maybe the consumer, maybe the free market will sort this out and consumer preference will, uh, will be for smaller, more, more efficient cars. But when has that, the only, the last time that happened was when America was left totally flat-footed by the fuel crisis in the seventies and people, their, their small economy cars were total shitboxes and people were like, maybe I'll try a Honda, maybe I'll try a Toyota. And that bitch ran for 400,000 miles with just tires and oil.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 17:17Matt Farah?

  And they were like, oh shit. And like, never went back and called American cars shitboxes for the rest of their lives.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  And, and a lot of American cars were shitty back then.

• 17:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Cause they got real lazy.

• 17:26Matt Farah?

  They were so lazy.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  And that, like, the competition nurtured innovation from the US manufacturer side.

• 17:33Matt Farah?

  But, you know, who's, who's gonna do it? Who's, who's gonna be the, the company that comes in and, and all of a sudden sells this car that people want? The lightweight, fuel-efficient car that people theoretically want?

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Toyota?

• 17:49Matt Farah?

  Toyota?

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Probably. I think them.

• 17:52Matt Farah?

  Still them, not somebody new?

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  I don't think, I don't think, I don't think Chevy's gonna do it or something.

• 17:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Cause if they, if they're going to, they would. I think, I think to make, to sell the lightweight car from a company that doesn't do that, you need a step change in material use or in the features that are included in cars. You know, they just had, they, everyone, everyone who buys things wants too many things in there.

• 18:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  The car has to weigh X.

• 18:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  With some exceptions. Um, and just real quick, the national price of gas right now, the average is $3.15 as of today.

• 18:24Matt Farah?

  Is there, what's the line look like? Is there, do you have a line, like a, a graph?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Oh, uh.

• 18:30Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't watch the national price, cause I'm not typically buying gas all over. But, okay, wait, hang on, what does that say? Current average, yesterday average, week ago, month ago, year. Okay, so it is so it's down by thirty cents from a year ago. But it's been inching its way down from thirty one seventy eight to thirty one fifty one from a month ago. So, down and dropping.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Here's a

• 19:01Matt Farah?

  Diesel seems like it's up, actually.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  There's a graph.

• 19:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay, so, yeah, where's, where's that graph?

• 19:07Speaker 01

  This is the one year graph.

• 19:08Matt Farah?

  One year is, uh, back there. Oh, so there was a really big drop.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  In August fifth of twenty four.

• 19:15Matt Farah?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  And it basically forty five degree angled down to

• 19:19Matt Farah?

  Between August and, uh, the end of the year, it really, it really took a steep drop and then it's been actually climbing a bit since then.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, slower with some peaks and stuff.

• 19:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so it's, it's pretty far down from its peaks peaks. But, uh, when was the highest there? May of twenty two. It got up to five bucks for the, for the national. Wow, that's pretty high.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:44Matt Farah?

  Okay, uh, speaking of, uh, burning a lot of gas, uh, we can talk about either, either the, uh, the SSC uh, or Mercedes has abandoning selling EVs in America. They quietly stopped selling electric cars in America.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Sorry, who abandoned?

• 20:00Matt Farah?

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• 24:26Speaker 01

  People abandoned them, too.

• 24:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's pretty much the whole story. They sort of just stopped selling EVs in America and didn't really announce it, because why would they? And that's really the entire story. And based on what we just talked about, my guess is the supercharged 5.5-liter engine from the 2004 E55 is about to make a comeback. The EQ55 is coming in hot.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  I feel like Mercedes is probably very excited when the EV...

• 24:57Matt Farah?

  Mandate. Mandate was like taken away. They're like, oh, now we have an excuse. Well, look, I mean, we've, as we've said a million times, EV mandates benefit car companies at the bottom end far more than they benefit ones at the top end. Because if they're, if everything's an EV, like, what is the difference between a Mercedes and a BMW anymore? I mean, that's, if your company's history is on, on precision crafting engines, boy, were you fucking hosed.

• 25:26Matt Farah?

  And yes, I understand that it being EVs would make economy cars more expensive as well, but I'm talking about purely in terms of like refinement and perception and things like that. An electric Kia and an electric Mercedes, if you close your, you know, you close your eyes and ears and someone drives you down the road, like, not a whole lot of difference. Very true. Yeah. Yeah. So how about the complete opposite of that? Zach and I went to Washington, not Seattle, Washington, the e- eastern Washington, not east, middle of Washington, central, central. Southeastern Washington. Southeastern Washington. If you could just name the place. Richland, Richland, Washington, because everyone knows where Richland, Washington is.

• 26:09Matt Farah?

  It was actually sort of like, sort of like, almost an oasis sort of town along the Columbia River, surrounded by desert, right? Like, it was like actually kind of lush in that one area by the river. Uh, and then, and there was some wine and riverboating and waterski and all that kind of stuff. Kind of, uh, kind of lovely, actually. And it's, uh,

• 26:33Matt Farah?

  excuse me, the home of SSC, Shelby Supercars, unrelated to Carroll Shelby. And you probably know SSC for the reason that they wish you didn't, which is that this is the company that had the fastest car in the world in 2007, beat the Bugatti Veyron with the Ultimate Aero. And then it took 10 years to develop their second car and then had one of the craziest PR bungles of all time in car history, uh, where they had a video that they claimed to say the car went 330 miles an hour. Uh, and, and, um, and someone from their company came on our show to talk about it, to promote it. Turned out to not be, uh, true.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  No one really thinks, I don't, I don't, no one really thinks it was intentionally a scam. It was just like bad calibration.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:29Matt Farah?

  And then sort of a desire to believe in the instrumentation a little longer than they probably should have.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:37Matt Farah?

  Um, nevertheless, an enormous PR bungle that overshadowed the fact that the car really does go like 290 miles an hour.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, they ran 295 in one direction and, and what shocked me the most in researching this is that they ran the 282 average like four months after the bungle happened. And maybe I read about it when that was happened, but like the PR damage from the big story overshadowed it forever.

• 28:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  You know, and, and that's just, it's just an asterisk, asterisk for them for a long time.

• 28:09Matt Farah?

  It sucks, you know, and, and, and Jared Shelby, you know, he really wants this car to go 300 miles an hour. He believes it will go 300 miles an hour. It probably fucking will, to be honest with you. You know, especially if they had an era lesson, you know, it absolutely would go 300 miles an hour, this car. Uh, it's, it's more power than a Chiron, it's lighter, um, and it has a better coefficient of drag for driving in a, in a straight line. And it's already done 295.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  And it was on a, what did he say? It was like on a three mile runway?

• 28:42Matt Farah?

  Runway. Yeah. And he ran out of room. He hit the shutdown. So he, they had to like back up and use fucking a few feet of the like return road to actually get it. And so if they had a little more room, like, um, and, and, and, you know, Zach and I are not here to apologize, just to give some context to the point that we went to Washington to actually drive this thing on the road. So it's, uh, it's, it's a carbon tub, uh, hyper car. It's two and a half million dollars. Uh, it's almost entirely built, uh, it, well, it is built entirely here in, in Washington, uh, with almost entirely Washington.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Sourced.

• 29:21Matt Farah?

  Sourced stuff where they, where they can, and I'm pretty sure it's like over 90% American componentry.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  I mean, the engine is made, Nelson Racing. Their carbon, all their carbon stuff is made in the Seattle area. There's a lot of aerospace there, but that was very cool to learn. It's not shipped from Italy. Nothing wrong with that, but like Dallara is, they make carbon fiber for everyone, basically, for like every car. So that was rad. Suspension is like Penske branded. I don't know who makes it.

• 29:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, inboard pushrod, you know, Penske makes it.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Oh, they manufacture it? Okay.

• 29:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, that's, it's like, it's like Daytona prototype level kind of stuff. It's the, the, the engineering on it, it sort of resembles what like a Koenigsegg CXXR, kind of.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:08Matt Farah?

  It's, it's sort of what those cars looked like and worked like, which makes sense because they started development in this car in 2010. And it took them this long to get, you know, it took them until 2020, from 2010 to 2021, to get a production level car. They've sold a few of them. And so, yeah, it's, uh, it's 3100 pounds wet. It's 1750 horsepower on E85 or 1300 horsepower on 91. It has the seven-speed sequential gearbox. It's the same one used in the Pagani Utopia.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  F5.

• 30:46Matt Farah?

  The Venom F5.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  It was also used in the older Koenigsegg with CCR or something.

• 30:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, CCXR.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  CCXR.

• 30:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, um, you know, it's, well, it's fucking crazy. I mean, it's real crazy.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 31:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, there is not a, so when they, when you have a car like this with such horsepower, the, the, you can make it so it can creep around and you can make it so it can go really fast. And the really hard part is this sort of in-between. You know, it's like 50% throttle upshifts and 50% brake or coasty downshifts. Like, that kind of stuff is incredibly challenging to tune. And then to make a 1700 horsepower engine,

• 31:36Matt Farah?

  that won't over, I mean, it was over 90 degrees when we tested this thing.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 31:41Matt Farah?

  And there's different kinds of like stress tests. There's like your track day. There's, uh, we, as we were learning, Jared was telling us, doing one, you know, 300 mile an hour pull, uh, is like 48 seconds on this engine.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Well, what he's explaining is when they did the run in Nevada, which was on a closed road.

• 31:59Matt Farah?

  Excuse me, not the runway run.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  So that they did a really long buildup, which is very much like, like, Arolessen is an 11-mile track that Volkswagen uses and no one else can use. So they were doing a similar approach, SSC was, like, long buildup, get up to like 180 and then roll into it and roll into it. And now with these runways, they have two and a half miles and it's more like a drag race. You just have to get on it. But to your point, that long roll-up was now they're doing 60 seconds of like, lots of throttle and a lot more heat buildup.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  So they had to address those types of cooling issues. So that's one challenge. When we're filming the car, it's actually a different challenge and one that like, sometimes cars have problems with. Like, it's short bursts of acceleration combined with periods of idling and making U-turns and going into, in and out of reverse. If it's hot, the air conditioning might be on like full crank, stopping, starting over and over. It's a different type of harshness on a car. And one that like, someone who's building a car probably wouldn't take into account, you know?

• 33:09Speaker 01

  It's funny, because we've also done that, people might be laughing like, of course a car can handle turning around and stuff. But you'd be surprised, the number of modified cars we've driven with far less horsepower than this, that sometimes struggle with that

• 33:22Matt Farah?

  With basic things like that.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  With these like, burst of speed, slow down, burst of speed, slow down, all that stuff. So I just want to provide that context.

• 33:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's not entirely out of the ordinary for a car to struggle with that. Particularly something where it's like, this is a very boutique thing. Like, you would be forgiven if it didn't stay cool, or the air conditioning didn't work good. Like, the fact is, those things did actually work really good.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Extremely well.

• 33:48Matt Farah?

  We thought the, I thought the oil temp sensor was broken. I was like, there's no way the oil is under 100. And they're like, yep, that's right. And I was like, how? Like, it's hot, look what we're doing. He's like, it's just, it's just an incredibly efficient system. He's like, it's designed to. Do runway racing in the middle of the desert like doing this is not a problem.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, he said that it takes an hour of driving to get the oil to one sixty.

• 34:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Which is.

• 34:14Matt Farah?

  That's like, that's like my Countach. That's like what they told me about my Lamborghini is like, like Donnie was like, yeah, yeah, you have to drive like, I was like, what is it? You know, what if I need to just, you know, get things moving or whatever. I was like, he's like, yeah, forty five minutes to an hour. I was like, what?

• 34:28Speaker 01

  And for context, I remember this specifically when we had the nine eleven T from Flat Six Motorsports. Yeah. I drove it from my house, four miles, three miles to a grocery store. Went in the store. When we came out, the oil was at about one sixty five. And I was like, okay, now it's warmed up a little bit. But it took that long to, it's sorry, took that short amount of time to get to that temperature.

• 34:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, a modern car can can do that quickly. I mean, this is a modern car, but like this is, it just has so much oil. And so much cooling capacity that like, uh, you know, whatever. Um, so anyway, um, when you, um, when you go full throttle in this car, it is seriously violent.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, among the most violent things I've ever driven. Um, it, you, you,

• 35:22Matt Farah?

  it does have traction, uh, which is pretty amazing. Uh, it does actually, once you're above second gear, it has boost by gear. But if you're above second gear, uh, it does put the power down like pretty good, actually.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  It is shocking.

• 35:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, fucking if you, if you roll into third and you do a three, four, five, like you, hold the fuck on. Because what's there is now here and you are approaching it at a speed you didn't expect.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Yes, very true. And the sound is violent. The shifts are violent. It's a single clutch seven speed.

• 35:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it basically power shifts. It's it.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:59Matt Farah?

  When you're slowing, when you're slowly cruising around, you can, you can say this at the speed I'm saying it. Paddle clutch open clutch closed. That's how long it takes to do a shift. Paddle clutch open clutch closed. Paddle clutch open clutch closed. Which like, that's shitty. That stinks. But when you're fucking on it and you shift within 1500 RPM to the red line, uh, which it's hard to be precise because it's going so fast.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:29Matt Farah?

  It, it just slams it as hard as it can and it's fucking something.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Well, there's a, there's a very small, not a pitch forward, it's a, there's a pause in thrust of course, because you don't have torque fill. And boy does this highlight the, the ability of torque fill in a P1 or something. But there's that little pause and then when the clutches slam shut, I mean, they slam shut and then all of a sudden, all the power comes rushing out again and just hits you in the back.

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  And in between those two things, fire comes out.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  A lot of fire comes out. Every shift, fire comes out.

• 37:02Matt Farah?

  Um, it's, it's really, really, really violent. Um, I, I would, I would say that that, that is an experts only level car.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:12Matt Farah?

  Um, it, it is, it's not for fucking amateurs. It just, I mean, at two and a half million dollars, of course it's not for amateurs, but like even by the standards of Pagani, this is, this is like another level of, of violence. Now it's not, I don't want to say it's unrefined, but like the gearbox really does make it unrefined, but also from being honest, like the fit and finish, I mean, yeah, and it's not Pagani. It's a million dollars less than a Pagani. And all million of those dollars go into built quality. Like it, it's not this sort of, it's not an ugly car at all.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  I think, I think it's pretty cool.

• 37:53Matt Farah?

  I mean, in, in fact, I think it's generally an attractive car, but the, the, the, some of the details just are not there. For this, for seven figures.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  I, I agree with you. I agree with you. It's two thirds of the cost of the Pagani and two thirds of the cost of a Chiron. And I think you said it very well. Like there's a certain amount of money that's required to develop hardware that does this. And this is much faster and more More powerful in a Pagani, but like that's where the money went.

• 38:18Matt Farah?

  This is literally the Corvette of Pagani's.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:21Matt Farah?

  Like the actual Corvette is now is now the it's the Ferrari, the Corvette, everyone sees what's happening now, right? You've you took the four the four XX series and you value engineered it and made it even faster. That's the Corvette model, always has been. This is Corvette-ing a Pagani. It's not a bad thing, is where it is, but like where it's but where where does that sacrifice come from? Like when we saw the bare tub, the clear coat work on the bare tub was like not fabulous. There was some little piddings and he said it was after it had been polished.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 38:57Matt Farah?

  Like some of the areas where like the corner windows match up like a little bit.

• 39:04Matt Farah?

  I'd be okay with it in a Morgan, I'm not okay with it at at two hundred, two, uh, two million dollars.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  I agree, there were there were places where like two panels of carbon met, you know, there's a small gap. And the gap in some places was actually very even, I was impressed, sorry, if you know, you run your finger along it, the distance between the panels felt even. But if you look from the side, one was stepped up slightly, you know, by like half a mil or something. Which compared to Koenigsegg where they match the weave and all that shit.

• 39:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  It's just that's where those little touches show up.

• 39:37Matt Farah?

  And and and the UI like like it has these power hydraulic doors. Which Jared said that he he his opinion was that at this level. Opening and closing in your doors is an uncouth gesture and a power is more luxurious. Now, one of the things when you're shooting a car is you're in and out, in and out, in and out, open the door, close the door. And if you drive this car once a month, okay, that might seem luxurious. If you're going in and out of this car all the time, that's the power doors are far much more trouble than they're worth.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Uh, that's true, and there were a few times where.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  They work properly, yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  So which also and then you just you open the door, hit the button, you open the door, you close the door and then you pull it down, but.

• 40:24Matt Farah?

  And also there were touchscreen window controls, which is.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Boy, we're there.

• 40:28Matt Farah?

  Which is no good.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  It's very silly.

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  It's it's because remember this car, 2010. 2010.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:35Matt Farah?

  So like, and you know, I don't know, I don't remember what the original interior was in 2010, but by 2020, fucking touchscreen, everything was all the rage, right? But now, now, now this, these people want switches and knobs.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  I think, well, I think, A, yes, 100%, the, the interest has gone back the other way. And um, maybe they could pivot that. The other thing is, as we said before about OEMs, it's probably cheaper and simpler to have, the more controls are in that screen.

• 41:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  The fewer things you have to make, costs stay down, etc. But the window control and, you know, in my video, there's a lot of in-car missing because I didn't know how to close the windows. That's on me for not asking how, but there, it wasn't, there was no like highlighted window thing or whatever. You had to like tap the car.

• 41:22Matt Farah?

  It's actually in a sub-menu.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  It's a sub-menu.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  It's a sub-menu.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  So that's like a bad thing. And the gauges look nice. They're just, they're from Aston Martin. They look pretty good. Um, and the, the center screen, like the graphics look nice and they're responsive, but I would like a few more controls, hard controls.

• 41:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I didn't actually have ish, any issues with how the screen worked. It actually, it responded, it didn't freeze. It was fine. It just, I, I, I want, and, and the knobs that were there, the ones on the steering wheel for the, for the wiper and for the headlights, like, that company can make a nice knob.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  Like that, those were really nice to use. Like, give me more of those.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Good, solid click.

• 41:59Matt Farah?

  Give me a bunch of them. Yeah, they're alright, yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  And I think overall, the interior looked cool. Like you saw carbon, the, the seats were pretty comfortable, the door cards are really nice molded carbon and stuff.

• 42:10Matt Farah?

  Ergonomically, it was, it was actually pretty nice.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  It's simple and they did a lot with what they had. I think they could just do a tiny bit more to make it easier to use. Um, but, so if Pagani is one side of the spectrum where the interior is so complicated, it's almost blinding.

• 42:24Matt Farah?

  You know, Pagani is steampunk.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  It is very steampunk.

• 42:27Matt Farah?

  Pagani is an exercise in how can I make this more

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:31Matt Farah?

  gauche and ridiculous, which is cool. Like, I, I love it, but like, that's what they're doing over there.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  This is a little, this is more to the other side, where it's simple, looks pretty nice, um, does look exciting and you see the carbon, you go, the car's made of this. But it's it's artistic utilitarian, I would say.

• 42:47Matt Farah?

  Mm hmm. Um, and beyond the speed, I thought for a non adjustable, the suspension's adjustable, but you need tools. For it's not, it's not on a button. It's not adaptive.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:59Matt Farah?

  Um, it's height adjustable to clear driveways and shit, which is cool.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Well, it also like in city mode, it's taller than track mode. So it drops like an inch and a half.

• 43:08Matt Farah?

  Right. I apologize. It's height adjustable. It's not firmness adjustable. Um, the ride was decent, actually.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Very comfortable.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  Firm, but but not bad by any means.

• 43:20Matt Farah?

  I never quite, I thought the brakes were nice. The brakes felt similar to what a McLaren brake pedal feels like.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:25Matt Farah?

  It's a very firm pedal that almost feels manual.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 43:29Matt Farah?

  Um, big brakes.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Dude, the, I don't know if I've seen a carbon rotor that thick.

• 43:34Matt Farah?

  I think they're the same, what did I just drive that I think had those?

• 43:40Matt Farah?

  I want to say they're the same ones either on maybe the Panamera Turbo S or the Bentley. Uh, it might be the Bentley GT Speed, which is the same as the Urus brakes.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  They're fucking huge.

• 43:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're the biggest, thickest Brembos that they make. Um, they're monsters.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Which, you know, if you have, they had that same runway when they're stopping from, you know, between 280 and 300. They have point seven miles to do that, which with no chute. So like, yep, big fucking brakes.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Not a lot of space.

• 44:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, normally a brake of this size for a car that weighs 3100 pounds would be like enormously overkill.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no, this is, you need this. You gotta dissipate all the heat.

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  Both you and I did note that that the lack of like an air brake did make the rear end feel a little.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  The dynamics are, I think, where this suffers the most. And I think. You know, we can go back, the price, the Bugatti is a million dollars more. It also comes from Volkswagen. It costs way more to build. Like, this is being built at a price that can sustain the company. There's not huge investors behind it. Like, they need to make some money on it. Bugatti and VW could have lost money on every

• 44:53Matt Farah?

  They did.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Every Chiron. Yeah.

• 44:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, maybe not Chiron.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  But Veyrons, they did. So they go, but it was a display. It was a look what we can do. So I think the dynamics of this thing have two problems. One, the steering ratio is way too quick.

• 45:06Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Like, it is twitchy and not in a good way. I think the steering rack is 1.25 turns lock to lock. And Jared did say that on the record-setting cars, the top-speed cars, they have a slower rack, which makes a lot of sense.

• 45:20Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, this one, this one was called the Striker, which is the one that has an aerodynamic kit and is more set up for handling, but mechanically is the same as the other cars.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  I just thought it was too quick. And the other thing, as to your point, is the lack of air brake. When you get off the gas in this car, even at, like, barely extra legal speeds, I was shocked at the amount of dive in it and then how unsettled it felt. Like, it, when you get on the brakes, it would track straight because I think it has a lot of toe in the car, but it was just a lot more pitched forward than I was prepared for. And that's maybe what the air brakes do on McLarens and other cars.

• 45:59Matt Farah?

  I think on the road, it becomes, when the front gets loaded, it becomes much more affected by the camber and ruts in the road. Because we were on an open sweeper, and you'll see in the video, there is video, but on a public road that's used by a lot of trucks, actually, during commuting hours. So there were some ruts. And so I found that when you stepped on the throttle and it, you know, hunched back, then it was cool. But in that transition from, I found, I told you twice, I said, get off the throttle slow and then on the brakes, slow to slow that transition down, because it does get a little hairy. And the, like, we've said it about McLaren 570s also.

• 46:43Matt Farah?

  That's why those cars, you know, the later cars all have fixed wings and, like, 7-series cars with air brakes and all, basically all the other hypercars have air brakes for that reason.

• 46:56Matt Farah?

  And

• 46:58Matt Farah?

  You know hydraulic wings are really expensive. So I understand why you might not do it and a hydraulic wing won't help you accelerate to 300 miles an hour.

• 47:10Matt Farah?

  But I told this to Jared and to Jason Castriota and I said it to everybody like I think if I had a full day and a racetrack and one of these and a 750S I'd be lapping consistently faster all day in the 750S with half the horsepower because of the confidence in the braking and the steering, not because of the power. This would fucking smoke that in a drag race, which I can't believe I'd ever say about a car that will fucking spin the tires in 4th gear. And that's, you know, we're talking about, you're talking about batshit and, you know, hold the fuck on because this is gonna really scare you.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  This feels in a way like the American Veyron, not in terms of like interior fit and finish, but the Veyron was a somewhat compromised handling machine. It was a pretty big, pretty soft thing. The Chiron, they fixed that.

• 48:00Matt Farah?

  We also only, the Pure Sport, which was the one that was 4 handling.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  That's fair, that's true.

• 48:05Matt Farah?

  They're not gonna all be that good, but what you do get from the Veyron and Chiron is that feeling of this is built like a fucking tank.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, but also the dynamics impressed me in the Chiron. That was really incredible.

• 48:20Matt Farah?

  The Pure Sport particularly with the fucking, it's got the camber and the lightweight wheels and it's really set up to go around corners like that thing rips. That's awesome. Yeah. But you do it a Pure Sport, it's 5 million bucks.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:34Matt Farah?

  If you can get one, which you can't.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  That's where the money goes. It's twice as expensive.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So we keep going around it again. It's the, this is the Corvette of Pagani's, basically. It's, you know, if the Chiron is the Porsche of Pagani's, if we're having a new index here, this is the Corvette.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:54Matt Farah?

  But it's fucking cool, man. Like, and people in the comments on my Instagram are like calling it like an LS motor and shit, which I think is not really fair to Nelson or SSC. It's a 5.9 liter billet block, billet crank, billet cams, flat plane crank.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Flat plane crank.

• 49:17Matt Farah?

  With insane amount of technology in it that can easily make 1300 horsepower on pump gas.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, on 91 octane.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  On 93.

• 49:28Matt Farah?

  And you can't sell it in California, but you can sell it in all 49 other states. And it, I mean, it's loud, but it has no muffler at all, and it isn't that loud.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  It's not, it's pretty, it's cool.

• 49:41Matt Farah?

  For a car with no muffler.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  It sounds amazing.

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  It really does sound good.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  From outside, it sounds incredible.

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  And I think there are only tiny little moments, tiny little moments where it sounds like anything in the LS family. I think most of the time, it does not really sound like an LS base motor.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Oh, I agree, yeah. It never, to me, sounded like, you know, LS Corvette firing up, which so many other cars do. It felt very special. I mean, the exhaust they build is very, is beautiful and incredibly like complicated. Like the bends and everything in it are so cool. I think, look, I like their story. I like what they're trying to do. I think, I know they had that big problem, but it seems like Jared's trying to do things the right way. The way he explained how they set up the Guinness record and how like they want, you know, multiple types of verification. I think they fucked, I think someone fucked up in 2020.

• 50:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  And as we talk about in the video, it is so hard to convince the public like that you have reformed.

• 50:40Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  But I think this, it didn't seem like they were trying to do that intentionally to lie to people. And they're like, shit, we didn't, we're gonna go do it again.

• 50:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  They want to do it again the right way. They want to get the 2A average of 300. It's just about finding, I guess, the place and time and.

• 50:55Matt Farah?

  It's really expensive to do it and, you know, they've got, they are building some customer cars. What, we saw three, three cars being built while we were there?

• 51:05Speaker 01

  And one was in there for updates, right?

• 51:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and one, they're gonna have, what, two cars at the quail?

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Three.

• 51:11Matt Farah?

  Three, our buddy Nat Mundy, who runs HK Motor Cars, which is their dealer for the US, is gonna have the one car at the entrance to the concourse on Car Week. So when you go, when you go from like the parking lots and the shuttle bus drop offs and whatever, and you go under that main arch to get to the golf course, like you're, it's right there. It's the first shit you walk by. He also sells those Chimera things, which he's got, you know, he has three of them. All we have to do, when he opens, you know, so he's opening, uh, it's K, K, K I, K, isn't that right? K, K I M E R E? I think it's K I M E R E. Yeah.

• 51:53Matt Farah?

  The O three, the, oh, he has the O three seven and then the O three eight is the new one that he just got. Um, but, uh, they're opening a showroom like a mile from my parents' house. HK is.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 52:09Matt Farah?

  So all we have to do is fucking go to Greenwich for a weekend and fuck around and go play with these things.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Do that.

• 52:14Matt Farah?

  He's got three of them.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  Let's go make a video.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  We can.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:17Matt Farah?

  We just like, need to do it. We should do it, um, maybe, you wanna go see Rise Against?

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Uh, I would do that, yeah.

• 52:24Matt Farah?

  You wanna go meet Rise Against?

• 52:25Speaker 01

  I think, yes.

• 52:26Matt Farah?

  And Papa Roach?

• 52:27Speaker 01

  There's also something

• 52:27Matt Farah?

  At Jones Beach?

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Funny and ironic about going to see Rise Against and then also going to drive like a two million dollar car.

• 52:32Matt Farah?

  I know. It was really fun. The other funny thing was that, cause it's at Jones Beach and, you know, we have the God Pass. Um, not just cause of, um, shout out to Jerry Horton from Papa Roach, love him, but also from Hannah's cousin, who's the general manager of Jones Beach. So they have a dock at Jones Beach.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  You can take the boat.

• 52:50Matt Farah?

  Well, we don't have our boat anymore, but I, I could get a boat.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  Paddle boarding.

• 52:53Matt Farah?

  I could get a fucking boat. And it would be fun to do the gig. So I thought about, if taking a boat to see Rise Against would be the bougiest.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  I bet Nat has a boat.

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  He does.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  But his boat is small, uh, and that would be a long way.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 53:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, to get from Greenwich to Jones Beach by boat, um, you have to go to, pull up a map.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  How many hours is that by boat?

• 53:18Matt Farah?

  Probably two hours, but it's open ocean, cause you have to go to the south shore. So just pull up Jones Beach Theater. But if people don't know, uh, in New York, the Jones Beach Amphitheater is one of the greatest music venues in, on the planet. It's like an old school amphitheater that is, where it, uh, there. North, Northwell Joint Jones Beach Theater. Um, it's facing the water. Look at that. It's like, it's like New York's Red Rocks, basically. And so if you have a boat. You can pull your boat up and just, and just drop anchor. But also, you can see on the, in this photo, actually. It's right where the mouse is. Yeah, you see the dock?

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:59Matt Farah?

  So you can, if you, if you're the artist and you're a friend of the artist, you can fucking dock. So, um, anyway, we get the VIP. Maybe bring a boat.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Is it quicker to take a boat than drive a car?

• 54:11Matt Farah?

  Oof.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Is it close?

• 54:13Matt Farah?

  It's like two hours. So go back to the map and I'll show you where you have, how you have to do it. It's a little crazy. So, you have to zoom way out. Further, further, further. Further, further. Now, go up. So, see, see, see Stamford there?

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  Greenwich is to the left of that.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  You gotta go around?

• 54:31Matt Farah?

  No, you, no, no, that would take two days.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  But you go into New York City, if you can, you zoom in, you go down the East River. Yep, down the East River, past Manhattan, under the Verrazano Bridge. Head out past JFK Airport, and then you go past Long Beach, which is where Hannah, my wife, is from. And then you fucking tuck in right there. It's, I know from Greenwich to, like, midtown Manhattan on the East River is about an hour. So this is probably two and a half hours. And I've never taken a small boat on that open ocean before.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  That would be a long-

• 55:08Matt Farah?

  It'd be a whole day.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  -ride back after, after a show and you're like exhausted.

• 55:11Matt Farah?

  No, you stay over.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, then, then I'm on board.

• 55:14Matt Farah?

  Stay over on the dock, and then you go back. Yeah.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Otherwise you'd die.

• 55:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, you, no, no, I'm not doing that bitch at night.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:20Matt Farah?

  No, no, no.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  I'm just checking.

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  I could if I had to, but I wouldn't absolutely not want to. Yeah, that would suck balls. But maybe we could drive a Chimera while we're there.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  That'd be sick. Let's do that.

• 55:31Matt Farah?

  Taking that to a Rise Again show would be a little bit weird.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  To wrap this up.

• 55:35Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  SSC, I think, if, if you are a person that collects, you know, that has dozens of cars and you have all the money, because that's most of the people that buy these things, I- It is one of the most interesting experiences I've ever had and the speed is insane. And it'd be very fun to own for a while and go to like a runway event of some kind to just experience that shit.

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  You have driven a Koenigsegg and the Chiron and this and the Bugatti.

• 55:59Matt Farah?

  I haven't driven a Koenigsegg in the last 10 years. A Guerra R was the last one I drove and that was 2014. So it was a lot like this actually. I mean, it was, it was a little, uh, the, the materials and the, the fit and finish were tighter. But driving it was quite similar to this.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Okay. I was mostly very curious.

• 56:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, it was like 1300 horsepower instead of 1700, but with 10 years difference. Like, what's the fucking difference? I don't know. They both went insanely fast. Um, the Koenigsegg, they had me take my hands off the wheel at 200 miles an hour and stand on the brakes, which I would not do in this car. I don't think I would do that. I, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't really feel comfortable with that. The Koenigsegg had a fucking air brake and one of the most sophisticated stability control systems I'd ever seen to that point. I don't think I'd do that in this car. Um, I'm not saying like, this isn't like dangerous, dangerous. Like, I don't think it like wants to do something bad, but like you kind of got to look out a little bit.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I, I think that's, you know, the, the Bugatti is like, you can kind of hand it to anybody. And if they stay in it too long, momentum is the thing. Sure. But you can drive around, it feels like an S8 that has 1500 horsepower. And I think to some people that could get boring because some people like, if you're a race car driver, if you like flying interesting aircraft or stuff like people, there are people that want this. There are people that want to drive, you know, a Caterham with a V8 or an Ariel Atom or something. And that's what this is.

• 57:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This is like psycho machine.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If, if a 765 LT isn't enough, this is like the next level of really, really insane acceleration. And I haven't driven an F5. I've asked John a few times to try an F5. I've told him I hate his Yoke steering wheel. I don't, I don't like Yoke steering wheels, but like I'd love to try an F5 at some point if I can.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 57:56Matt Farah?

  If and when, however, but like, um.

• 58:00Matt Farah?

  This was, it was at the same time better than I thought, you know, but, but also like, I could, there's, there's areas where they clearly just don't have the resources to take it to that next level. And when you're selling a car for seven figures, like deep in the seven figures, you need a very passionate customer who wants this specific thing. And in some cases, as he said, without naming names, has been disillusioned by other cars that may have had quote finer engineering, but ultimately weren't very reliable. He wants, he wants this car to be reliable. I think it probably will be.

• 58:42Matt Farah?

  I think the, his biggest risk for unreliability is the hydraulic doors.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:47Matt Farah?

  Honestly.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:49Matt Farah?

  That's, that'd be my biggest concern, but, you know, thank you to SSC for having us out. It was, it was really lovely to meet them and, and hang out with them and, and, you know, that, that car, that car worked good all day. Really did.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  It handled the heat better than we did.

• 59:04Matt Farah?

  Fucking insane. I don't know if the, I hope the video shows how fast it is because it's just, or shows some fire at least.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  It'll definitely show fire. We definitely, you know, closed road, professional drivers, all that stuff. But man, like I drove back from location with Jared and he watched me like, I was shifting manual and he goes, okay. He's like, now what you want you to do is roll into it in third and when it gets to red line, just let, just stay in it, let it shift itself. He's like, because it's revving so fast.

• 59:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  That, I mean, this thing does not feel like the red line mechanically is 8200. It feels like it'll rev to 10, first of all. And he's like, it's really hard to time that shift to nail it. Otherwise, you know, you hit fuel cut and stuff. And when it shifted itself, good fucking god, Matt Farah. Like the thrust is insane. I mean, you did it.

• 59:50Matt Farah?

  The kick is very hard.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  And it just squats, it, it sticks. I mean, the roads there are fantastic and I was extremely awake and focused in that moment and silent.

• 1:00:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  And wow.

• 1:00:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, it's, I mean, for most people, a McLaren is enough to go, what the fuck? This is what people are buying right now? But if that, eventually, you can get used to that.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:00:17Matt Farah?

  I think it would be quite difficult to get used to this.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Remember, back in the early days of Toon, we were filming a lot of R35 GTRs.

• 1:00:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  And people go, I got the 800 horsepower kit. And you go, okay, how do you like it? And this, this, remember this gentleman? He'd had it for two months. And he's like, I think I'm gonna get the 1200 horsepower kit. He was already bored of the power because in that car, it was so easy.

• 1:00:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  But also, acceleration, your body gets used to it eventually. This is the far step of that. If you made a bunch of money, I don't know if you'll, I don't know if you'd get used to this kind of thing.

• 1:00:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it would, because there's so few places that you can really, really...

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  You have to go to a standing mile event or something.

• 1:00:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you, you can drive this on the street, like, you, you could absolutely drive this on the street. But, you know, you can't get near the floorboard for, for very long. I mean, it's, the next, the next thing is already here. Whatever, whatever was there is, is already here. You're going 150.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  It leaps tens of miles per hour.

• 1:01:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Well beyond other cars.

• 1:01:17Matt Farah?

  Very wild.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 1:01:19Matt Farah?

  Turns out Nelson Racing can build an engine. Yeah, I know, it was cool. It was, it was, it was really wild.

• 1:01:27Matt Farah?

  The Manx is finished. That's very exciting to me. I'm going to, I think I'm going to get it on Wednesday or Thursday and like, take it home. Which is crazy, the top came out really good, exactly like, like we thought. And they just sent me the photos, the coolers that Ally got us. He got us these awesome coolers that have like a little vacuum sealer sort of thing on the lid. And, and they have this, this handle, or a strap, like a shoulder strap on the cooler. And the cooler is, it's aluminum, it's like anodized aluminum. And it has these sort of like ridges in it that really look like the ridges on the inside of the Manx on the, the ECU and battery cover lid. And so Ali got us a pair of them.

• 1:02:12Matt Farah?

  And it's got these, these shoulder strap where the strap like has these strap locks on it, almost like a guitar strap. And we took the strap apart and Brenda made it into tie downs for the cooler.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 1:02:25Matt Farah?

  Right? So the cooler's strapped down on either side of it. I don't, I don't have a photo of it yet, but it's like pretty slick.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Very nice.

• 1:02:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so we'll be able, so I can like, for the quail, I'm just gonna like load the cooler up.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Why? It's all drinks, free drinks and food there.

• 1:02:40Matt Farah?

  But not as good as what I'll have.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:42Matt Farah?

  We'll be celebrating with some Blantons.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:02:46Matt Farah?

  Or maybe we'll have a little craft cocktail. Maybe we'll have a celeb, maybe, that's what we'll do. We could either bring uh, the materials to make a craft cocktail, like a celebratory cocktail. Or I could bring the materials to make Shakerados.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Chickerados.

• 1:03:02Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  The coffee line there was large.

• 1:03:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Shakerados would be good.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  The Conan's egg had a great coffee stand, which is a weird thing to say, but

• 1:03:10Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Let's make a Shakerado.

• 1:03:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that'd be fun. Either way, and plus we can have, uh, when we go down to Big Sur on Thursday, we can have the charcoats.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  But don't, we go to a breakfast place.

• 1:03:21Matt Farah?

  But we're down there for a while.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  I'm like, did I forget? We go there to a place that makes great eggs.

• 1:03:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, we're down there for a while, a couple hours, you never know, the traffic's bad and who knows?

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  That's actually true.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  Very, very exciting.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Gotta bring it to King of Hammers.

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, that'd be cool. And, uh, do you wanna do, uh?

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  Do you want, can we talk quickly?

• 1:03:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  About ZR1 Nürburgring stuff?

• 1:03:47Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  The reason, I mean, first of all, like, we can celebrate, the Chevy ZR1X did 649 at the ring.

• 1:03:54Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Super fast.

• 1:03:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Super duper fast.

• 1:03:57Matt Farah?

  How does that compare to the fastest Porsche?

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  That's where I'm headed.

• 1:04:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Um, and I'm not, and all, it should be said that the Corvette team that did this, and they also ran the Z06, they did it in the 711.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Sorry, okay, so ZR1X did 659. ZR1 did 650, 649, and then Z06 did 711. They did it with, the engineers were driving.

• 1:04:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  They weren't pros. These engineers are good drivers.

• 1:04:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen. A GM Performance chassis engineer is a pro. I don't want to fucking hear that shit.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  I think they're, I think, I would say they're pro-am. They're close.

• 1:04:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Because Porsche uses Yorg.

• 1:04:33Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Yorg is Yorg.

• 1:04:35Matt Farah?

  Sure, but the difference between Yorg and a GM chassis engineer

• 1:04:42Matt Farah?

  is, is not 20 seconds a lap. It's just not.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:04:47Matt Farah?

  It's, it is maybe, maybe a couple, maybe.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  But, go on.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Um, so I, Jesse Wooji, he put up a thing on Instagram and I looked at it and I went, it had all the times of recent cars, recent production cars. And what surprised me about it was that the Porsches

• 1:05:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  have run quicker. And some of them have the Man, you know, Manti Performance or Manthai Performance GT2RS way faster. Alright, that's, let's just say that's Manthai, let's give that an asterisk. But when you come up here to like

• 1:05:19Matt Farah?

  991 GT2RS, 647.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, or a facelifted GT3.

• 1:05:25Matt Farah?

  992, 651.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  And those have half the power of the ZR1.

• 1:05:30Matt Farah?

  That's a 500 horsepower car.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  So that, I just, and I saw it and I'm not, I'm really not trying to make, I'm not making fun of Corvette. I saw it and I was surprised. And I went, wow, is that because the Porsche lends itself to the ring much more than a car with 1200 horsepower? You know, it can't be deployed as much.

• 1:05:49Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, Yorg doesn't have the fastest GT car lap. You know, Lars Kern has the fastest GT2RS Manthai. Lars Kern has quite a few in the top 20 as well, so it's not just Yorg, right?

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  That's very true, but I mean, isn't Lars also?

• 1:06:06Matt Farah?

  Lars is a pro, Lars is a pro also, yeah.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  But either way, like, the cars, these are stock Porsches, 911s, with half the power that are running quicker times. And I just shot, I saw that and I was like, why?

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  It's pretty impressive stuff. I'm very impressed.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  I want an engineer to say.

• 1:06:26Matt Farah?

  I'm very impressed.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Here's why.

• 1:06:27Matt Farah?

  I mean, it would be pretty wild if it was purely George Bergmeister. And if that was the case, I would say I'm incredibly honored to have, to like know him as a friend and who have been around a track with him because holy fuck can that guy drive unquestionably. But I, I mean, the GM guys developing this car, they're, they're pro level racing drivers. At the Nürburgring, I might give them a second or two versus, you know, versus. What's really crazy is that the Nürburgring really is a power track. It's a, it's a top speed power track, right? High speed, which demonstrate, you know, is demonstrated by how little gain they got from the all wheel drive X.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 1:07:12Matt Farah?

  Doesn't do much.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:13Matt Farah?

  On that track. It probably, I bet there'd be a much bigger difference at the Thermal Club, pulling out of these hairpins than there are in the Nürburgring.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, but I, but to that point, the ZR1 has 1,200 horsepower.

• 1:07:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it should probably be a lot faster.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  I thought it'd be a lot faster. Now, maybe the aero kits on the GT3RS and the 2RS are just way more effective than what they put on the ZR1. Maybe, I don't have the downforce numbers in front of me, but I just saw that and I was like, oh, that's very curious.

• 1:07:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, maybe their, their cornering speeds are really that much higher, which would be wild considering I've driven a Z06 and the cornering speed on that was pretty insane.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it seems amazing.

• 1:07:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Matt Farah?

  But it is funny that with that much extra power, the times are really in the same kind of ballpark. It's not, the rewards aren't that huge, although what's really surprising is that the Z06 is that far behind a stock GT3. I mean, that's pretty wild. Like that's 670 horsepower and presumably that's the Z07 package car, you know, ready for the track. That's pretty far behind a GT3.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  I wonder, it'd be cool to see sector times because there are sections of the Nürburgring that really reward power, but there's also a lot of it that's, you know, the downhill tight stuff.

• 1:08:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  So maybe in those sectors, the Porsche is a lot quicker and stickier. And then on the big, big stuff, you know, the Corvette catches up.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Someone out there will make that cool like 3D graph thing with showing the two cars driving.

• 1:08:47Matt Farah?

  It is kind of funny how quickly they did beat the GTD though. That's pretty funny.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. And then Ford, of course, tweeted, they're like, it's on.

• 1:08:56Matt Farah?

  Well, so here's one for you. I think, I'm pretty sure that we'll have a ZR1 and a GTD at Performance Car of the Year. So you'll get to see a direct comparison on a smaller track.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Which track are you guys going to?

• 1:09:10Matt Farah?

  Thunderhill.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  Okay. Be interesting.

• 1:09:12Matt Farah?

  Thunderhill. Uh, cool. Should we go to the people for a few minutes? Let's go to them, the patrons. We love them over at patreon.com/the-smoking-tire-podcast. That's where you ask us questions for the live show. It's where you consume the live show. It's where you get the show before anybody else gets it, the day it's recorded most times. It's where you get the show without ads. It's where you get exclusive access to merch drops and collabs. And it's also where you get to help out your favorite podcast.

• 1:09:46Matt Farah?

  Let's get to them. Black Sobith.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  Great name.

• 1:09:49Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good. Um, why do older cars from the 60s and 70s seem to be able to get away with the patina look? While cars from the 90s just seem to look rough? Uh, I have an 03 Mustang Cobra with beat ass paint and my friends give me shit when I call it patina. Uh, I'm going, that's very funny. I suspect it's because cars in the 60s and 70s are made of metal and your Mustang is made of plastic.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, very possibly. Paint might have been mixed differently.

• 1:10:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like the chrome era, you know, patinaing is a different thing. When those curvy 90s cars look beat, they just, they just look tired and shitty.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  I wonder if it's also just, we got used to seeing old muscle car things that had paint coming off, but we still like the car enough. So everyone just like, you know, gives it a pass and it's just become a trend.

• 1:10:43Matt Farah?

  Huh, yeah. This is funny. The toking sire. I like that. Um, when trying out different modes in press cars, how long do you spend in each mode before you find your favorite? For instance, I know at least one OEM plays tricks with their sport mode. And this is an unproven accusation, but I'd be very interested. I would like to confidentially know person in the DMs or however you want to send us, which OEM this is, just so I can try it for myself in their car and see. This is fascinating. So I know at least one OEM is playing tricks with their sport mode. As soon as you engage it, the damper stiffness goes all the way to max, but only for the first six seconds,

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  after which this damper setting gradually returns to a usable stiffness, uh, which the test drivers signed off on. This is to give the impression of a wide adjustability range during a test drive, or to show off to your friends for a moment, besides, despite the stiffness having zero handling benefit. If you give sport mode enough time, it will feel much closer to normal than you think. My guess, M5 Touring. Hmm. This is BMW in the M5 Touring because I found in, in M5 Touring 2.0, that putting the car from comfort into sport makes the, makes the ride better. In general. Interesting. Don't know why.

• 1:12:10Matt Farah?

  We'll talk next show about M5 Touring 2.0. Okay. Um, but I will just say that they did find a problem with the other car. It wasn't a catastrophic problem, but there was something not quite right about it. Um, lick, lick my Aztec says, I've got a hundred, uh, 17,000 mile, 2012 R8 V8 manual spider. Fun fact, Audi made less than a hundred of these. Those are very rare and actually very cool. Yeah. That's fucking cool. My Mag shocks are starting to leak and I can go coilovers or get remanufactured Audi shocks for shops from a reputable shop in Poland. Costs are about the same.

• 1:12:55Matt Farah?

  What do you recommend? I'm leaning towards stock. I would say stock. I, I think that car handles nicely. I think in terms of you're talking about rarity.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:13:06Matt Farah?

  Maybe you care about resale value. If you liked how the car rode, go back to stock. You'll get most of that. You'll get more of your money back from that service than if you did a coilover.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:13:20Matt Farah?

  I don't think most R8 buyers eventually. I mean, you don't, don't, if you for some reason want an improvement in handling, a high-quality coilover is cool, fine. But if you are happy with it now, go stock.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, Nice Camz says, "When it comes to the M Lite and half AMG vehicles," referring to like BMW M Sport and like the C43 and all those like 43s and stuff. Uh, "I'm considering an X3M and GLC 63, but it seems like the X3M40 and GLC 43 are enough and less harsh, especially since my wife will be driving a lot." I think you're, you're right.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:14:06Matt Farah?

  I think for daily driving, you would be happier with the M40 than you would with the M. I don't think it would make any difference in your daily life at all.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  Still a very, very quick car, very smooth power band. The ride is going to be much better than the X3M.

• 1:14:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, Swede in Low, "It seems to be a common trope for automotive journalists to bash Detroit as a place to live and also a place to be a car enthusiast. Just wondering why that is? Have you had a bad experience?" I think you're misreading what we're bashing. It's a bad place to write about cars because there are no fucking hills.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  And there are no good racetracks and the weather is bad a lot. Like, that's why I wouldn't want to live there if my job was to write about cars. I've met so many great people in Detroit. It's a fun place to visit. It's a relatively affordable place to live a nice lifestyle. There's young people doing cool shit there. Um, if you like boats, that lake life is fucking sick. I love the lake life there. Um, and like, I know a lot of people that are very happy to live there. Like, it's not a bad place to live for a lot of reasons, but it's a garbage place to make content about cars because there's nowhere pretty or fun to drive them. Sorry.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  Where's the nearest track to Detroit? You have to go up to...

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  Track?

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, like Road Amer- where's Gingerman?

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Gingerman's in South Haven, so there's Gingerman, there's Road America, you have Belle Isle once in a while, that's not fully set up.

• 1:15:45Matt Farah?

  There's a, there's a, um, what's it called, M1 concourse or something? There's a private track club in Pontiac.

• 1:15:53Matt Farah?

  But there's just, I mean, it's, it's a flat grid, like, sorry.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  You have to go to a track, there's no like...

• 1:15:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's fucking, someone got defensive when I said this about, in the commission show, and sent me some photo that was supposed to represent a fucking good driving road, and it was dead, dead straight, and had like a mild elevation in it, and I was like, "Are you trolling, or are you actually trying to describe this to me as being a hill?" Because like, this is a mild rise.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's not enough.

• 1:16:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I love Detroit, though. It's, uh, it's, it's, it's fun in its own way. I've not had bad experiences in Detroit. But yeah, the January auto show was dumb as fuck. I think that's, I think that's a big change.

• 1:16:39Matt Farah?

  Optimus Primus, would you consider charging for one-take style videos to cover the vehicles you're showing for auction? No. I don't want to do that. Doug owns the auction site, so that's why he does that. I, I'm, I, if they want to give me shares and fucking bring a trailer, let's, uh, let's talk, but I don't think they want to do that. Chris from Colorado, be honest, has the front grille of the M3 and M4 grown on you guys it has on me? No.

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  I'd say like 5% yes. When I look at it, I go, "Oh, it's aggressive," and then if I look at it longer, I go, "Man, there's so many other cars from today that have done a better job."

• 1:17:14Matt Farah?

  Looking at Eric's F80 sitting here for a couple of weeks, like, that has grown on me.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:17:19Matt Farah?

  That's, that's where that car was last pretty.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:17:23Matt Farah?

  Misfit Cyclone, best underrated T-top car for the summer? You ever see a Fox body T-top? Very rare.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  No, that's pretty cool.

• 1:17:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they made them for a couple of years, and they are very rare and very cool.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  I go like Trans Am or something like that.

• 1:17:37Matt Farah?

  Trans Am is the traditional, yeah, and IROC, if you could fucking swing that, that's alright. Um, what other...

• 1:17:45Matt Farah?

  What other cars had T-tops? I mean, it was mostly those eighties era muscle cars that did a T-top. I don't know. Is there a complete list of T-tops? I'm sure there is.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  Let's see.

• 1:17:54Matt Farah?

  But I, I don't know a lot of T-top cars.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  You're the ten coolest, uh, ever according to my experience.

• 1:18:01Matt Farah?

  Oh wow, you have sixty-nine Vet T-top? Like, that's pretty cool, actually.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  That's pretty awesome.

• 1:18:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would, I would fuck with that. See, uh, that Vet, or an early C-three Vet, to me, is like, a car I regularly think about owning. But even just sitting in one for five seconds, I go, nope. Couldn't do it.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  What else? Oh, Ford, seventy's Thunderbird, uh, Camaro, yeah, okay. Nothing, Firebird, yeah, Suzuki X90. So that's a full Targa roof, not a T, but, um...

• 1:18:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Corvette. I mean...

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  There weren't that many, I guess.

• 1:18:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would say, I, I'd have to say, that's not the Mustang II, yuck. That's terrible.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  One of the other cars ever made, Bia Ritz?

• 1:18:45Matt Farah?

  Eldorado Bia Ritz with a T-top? What? A holy chassis flex. Yeah, that's crazy. Alright, what else they got? I would, I would probably have to go, uh, Trans Am as well. Um, is the first-gen Audi TT RS any good compared to the new ones? Well, there really aren't any new ones, but you mean, first-gen compared to second-gen? The first-gen TT RS is pretty cool, because you came in a manual. So that's, the later ones only came in automatics. So if you wanted to get a manual, you had to get that one. We drove a TT RS that was modified by APR that was like, over six hundred horsepower and was so fucking fast.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:19:28Matt Farah?

  And it sounded like a Lamborghini. It was really, really cool.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  That was phenomenal. But then we drove the one on drive, you drove, what year was that?

• 1:19:35Matt Farah?

  Stop TT RS, second-gen.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Second-gen.

• 1:19:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  That was a very impressive car.

• 1:19:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they were fast as hell.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  It did really great. It surprised everybody on the racetrack.

• 1:19:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but if you want, um, you have to do the, the first-gen if you want a manual. Okay, um... I am Dr. Remulac, says, "I've had three Rolexes, current one's a GMT, and they all run slow. Maybe five minutes over a couple of days. Have you ever had that problem?" I, uh, I also, I, this is gonna sound very douchey, but I don't really wear any one watch long enough to notice problems that don't pop up in like two days. Um, I, I've, you know, all, bless you, all watches should be, like, might be like a few seconds a day.

• 1:20:28Matt Farah?

  You know, but, and I don't know the exact specs for what Rolexes should be. Um, but I've, I'm sorry, I don't have the answer. Uh, no, Michael, no. "With car companies fixing things that aren't broken," I'm looking at you, digital dipstick, "what feature do you wish caught on that didn't?"

• 1:20:49Matt Farah?

  Uh, what feature caught on, what didn't catch on?

• 1:20:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, the idea of a clutchless manual lever is awesome. And they, a couple of people, different companies tried that and it didn't go anywhere.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Konigsegg's Magical Transmission, that'd be great if that was everywhere.

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Um, what feature I wish? I, I mean, I really like the Ioniq 5 and the EV with gears. I think they did a full job. And I think if more cars had that, it'd be fun. Yeah.

• 1:21:24Matt Farah?

  Still time on that one. Uh, Bub Rub in the whistle tips, they go woo woo. "I've never heard you mention a Subaru EV a single time on the podcast. Have you driven a Solterra?" Um, I have a very good friend that is, that, um, is a very high level executive at a Subaru dealer. And, um, got a Solterra as his demo car. And when I tell you the texts that I get about how fucking much he hates this thing.

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:21:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I, I would not look to Subaru selling a rebadged Toyota EV as a, as a win for them. I would not be buying Subarus, with those Subarus. Um, "The snozberries taste like stasberries." Whoa.

• 1:22:13Matt Farah?

  That's a

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  A larger question.

• 1:22:15Matt Farah?

  That's a larger question. Some of these are not ones you can just answer on the fly.

• 1:22:24Matt Farah?

  I don't know what the... What? Frozen Dingleberry Metallic says, "Do you know of any watchmakers who sell legit modded Seiko's? From what I've heard, a lot of the Instagram Seiko mod companies use fake parts." Well, they're using aftermarket parts. I'm not sure, like, like, I've had, I've seen there are Seiko modders who build complete watches from aftermarket parts, if that's what you mean, but like, normally you would know what you're getting. Like, I have that watch, that Black Pearl watch, that's, there's not, it's not based on any Seiko. It has a Seiko movement in it, but like, everything,

• 1:23:06Matt Farah?

  it's a complete aftermarket part thing. But like, I don't know if this, if he's mean there's some Instagram company that's like, selling a watch with a Seiko movement that doesn't have one, or is selling a watch that's advertised as having a genuine Seiko case and doesn't have one, like, I've never seen that, but like, oh, I wouldn't do that. I mean, if that's what, if you want to make sure it's real, buy a Seiko, and then buy the parts that you want modded, and then go to a local independent watch store and go, "Put these hands and this bezel and this crystal on this watch." And now you know it's real. I mean, if that's really a concern.

• 1:23:50Matt Farah?

  A second Jay-Z has hit the Supra.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 1:23:54Matt Farah?

  That's really funny.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:00Matt Farah?

  "Given how bad the M5 Touring's ride is already, how much worse will the M5 CS be? Probably a lot worse, but maybe better."

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Maybe better, because with the M2, it went, M2 good, soft, M2 comp too stiff, M2 CS great.

• 1:24:18Matt Farah?

  Ride Country Night School, shout out to them. Did you see the Seiko Datsun watch collab? I did, don't care about it. I don't ha- I, I'm not old enough to give a shit about Datsuns. Tim A, what would you rather have as a luxury winter ski truck? Rivian R1T Quad or Porsche Cayenne Turbo?

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Between those two, I'd R1T Quad. As long as I, you know, don't have to drive too far.

• 1:24:48Matt Farah?

  It would, yeah, I mean, it would depend on two things. One, do you, you have a ski home where you can keep that thing plugged in? You know, and two, what, if it needs something, where is your house relative to what you'd have to do with a Rivian to get it fixed?

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Sure. I was imagining a vacuum land where I live in the ski town, the drive to the mountain isn't too far.

• 1:25:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  Charging, etc. Like from a pure driving perspective, like having the Cayenne Turbo, I don't need the Turbo. I could just, I'd go Cayenne. That'd be fine, um, with like a lift kit and something, but I think the R1T Quad would be also over.

• 1:25:27Matt Farah?

  You don't need the Quad. Yeah, you don't need the Quad.

• 1:25:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, as long as you knew how you'd get it serviced and or fixed and that didn't, that's what like when I went to the Yellowstone Club, these people are all billionaires. And you know what I just saw? Fucking Tahos as far as the eye could see. All Tahos. Everybody's in a Tahoe. Multi billionaires just rolling Tahos. Um, Sam let me borrow his like old, his, his, uh, old Range Rover. Just cause like that's what he has there, just like a, like a fucking 10 year old Range Rover. And that was the only Range Rover I saw and I saw like no EVs up there.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  But that's because the nearest dealership is a Chevy dealership, right?

• 1:26:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it's just cause like that's what's easy for them. Like they, you know, because they're in the middle of nowhere. So like if your ski house is in the middle of nowhere, that could be problematic. Just get something basic.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  In that case, I wouldn't have either one of these options because I don't want to find a Porsche shop either.

• 1:26:25Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Matt Farah?

  Uh, Wynona's big brown diesel manual wagon beater. Is this just one person coming up with all these Primus names?

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  I think it's the same person.

• 1:26:34Matt Farah?

  Is it Les Claypool actually like a fan? That would be awesome. Um, we need to, I mean, here's the thing.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  What car?

• 1:26:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's a hypothetical.

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  If you drove a car across the country.

• 1:26:47Matt Farah?

  I thought this was a real recommendation.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:26:48Matt Farah?

  What would you have to drive across the country in order to get the most people putting pictures of your car on Instagram? That's the question.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  I think the Wienermobile.

• 1:27:04Matt Farah?

  I think too many people have seen Wienermobiles. I think like what's his, uh, that, that dude, that fucking funny redneck guy, Weston, West. The guy, he's like a, he's almost like a, um, he's almost like a Whistlin Diesel.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:19Matt Farah?

  He's in the, in that kind of a way, but he never pivoted to lighting Ferraris on fire. He stayed straight line redneck. He just, uh, did a build where he flipped the body on around 180 on a truck and is just driving that bitch around like backwards and getting pulled over.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  Oh, that's.

• 1:27:35Matt Farah?

  And like, that's pretty funny.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  That would probably do it, yeah.

• 1:27:37Matt Farah?

  So like, yeah, the back, a, a truck that looks like it's going backwards.

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  Oh, like, um, what's his face?

• 1:27:43Matt Farah?

  The backup pickup, like the Galpin backup pickup.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Bo Bockman owns it.

• 1:27:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Imagine that, but like a street car.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  That would work.

• 1:27:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, German Shepherd Transport E39. Any tips for making a manual E39 530 as enjoyment, as enjoyable as possible for mountain roads?

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  I understand a top of the line KW suspension, et cetera would be awesome, but I'm mostly interested in value return. So, so basically the first thing you should do is make sure that it's as good as it can be, meaning it's, it's 20 years old, right? Do you have, do you have good bushings?

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  That's, start, start there.

• 1:28:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Like first, the first, before you go, oh, like modify it with some suspension, like you might find that like restoring it to 100% stock, new bushings, new shocks, new fucking anything that can wear out, put it back to stock and you might be like, oh. You know, and have and have a fabulous handling car.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  I think it'd be very comfortable. I think if I was gonna do this, and it's, it sounds like you're open to spending a little money. I would do all new bushings, keep them soft, like restore those and then do like an Olin's Road and Track Suspension Kit. Something that's soft, but just a more advanced damper than what they had back in the day. And I don't think you need a big brake kit. You could do lines and fluid.

• 1:29:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  I mean, unless you're driving this shit like this really hard, I would just, the brakes will be fine.

• 1:29:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, pads, fluid lines will get you there. Yeah. I would just make sure it's as close to to the rubber and stuff. It's all doing the right thing. Your engine and trans mounts, your suspension mounts, all those connecting bits. Make sure those are all the way they're supposed to be.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Matt Farah?

  Cause that you get a lot of slop in there.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that'll change, that could change your alignment mid-cornering. That could do so many things you don't want.

• 1:29:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, three more and then I have to pee. Chris from Colorado, thoughts on Glock making watches? Few seem cool, a lot look tacky. You couldn't fucking give me a Glock watch.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  I did not know they did this.

• 1:29:49Matt Farah?

  I don't, I mean, they, I don't think you can wear one of these without effectively making like a political statement. Uh, I mean, they're using automatic movements. I mean, it just, ah, it just, I don't know. I don't care. I wouldn't. I wouldn't wear this. And I, and actually, I really, I really like as far as firearms go. I really like shooting a Glock. I'm very accurate with a Glock 17 or a Glock 19. And if I was going to buy a handgun, a Glock would be at the top of my list. I don't want this. Just me.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  I think this color is actually, it's not a bad color scheme or bad looking watch, but I just don't wanna like wear firearms all the time.

• 1:30:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. No, if you think you want this, what you actually want is a Christopher Ward watch. Christopher, I just saw them at another watch trade show I went to. I, they, they're fucking killing it right now. Chris Ward's designs are sick. Um, I really am into a bunch of what they're doing and, and they have a several watches that come in that sort of orange, blue, uh, color scheme that, uh, that's called the Bel Canto. That's a chiming watch. But normally those chiming watches are like $80,000. Um, and, uh, yeah, the C12 is pretty cool. Go, go down. They have a.

• 1:31:10Matt Farah?

  Hmm?

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 1:31:12Matt Farah?

  These are like, like, some of those are...

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  These are expensive.

• 1:31:14Matt Farah?

  Well, the C12s are, but yeah, but go down. The, the ones with the crazy, where you can see the movement on the dial are very expensive, or the skeleton ones, but the ones that have more normal dials, uh, have, uh, have much more normal price points, 1,200, 1,500.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  I mean, these look like fancy watches. I think the Glock watch is trying to be like...

• 1:31:34Matt Farah?

  The Glock watch is a couple hundred bucks.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Well, I don't, I actually don't know, but it's definitely trying to be like

• 1:31:38Matt Farah?

  Tactical.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  Tactical, you know, it, it glows at night and that kind of stuff. In fairness, you didn't like, pull up the, the, the comparison of the Chris Ward with

• 1:31:47Matt Farah?

  the, the ones out. Go back to dive, uh, go, go back to watches and go to like dive watches.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:31:54Matt Farah?

  I think you probably...

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  I was in, I was in integrated sports.

• 1:31:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, see the Trident, Trident Reef there, 850 with the orange and blue, that's kind of what I was talking about.

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  That does look very close.

• 1:32:02Matt Farah?

  Right? It's got a white, a white, uh, sort of, uh, running track around the outside, but you kind of get the idea.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:09Matt Farah?

  So. That's what I, that's what I would get if you wanted a watch that looked like that.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  I'm sure they'll sell a lot of those, like, I mean, hopefully the watch is as reliable as their firearm. That's like essential.

• 1:32:19Matt Farah?

  Well, they're buying their movement from somebody. No one's, that's a Salida or some kind of movement, I don't know.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  This is our last page.

• 1:32:26Matt Farah?

  Ah, it's been so bad. Tony Rodriguez Salgado, uh, what would you rather, okay, for fun daily weekend or convertible for 50K, new Mustang GT or a 991 911?

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  911.

• 1:32:42Matt Farah?

  911 if it was not like a zillion miles and beat up.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  I, I just think the Mustang is a great looking car, the coupe, I don't think it looks good top up or down as a convertible, and Sarah turrowed one when she was shopping for cars, and the fit and finish really starts to fall apart when the, when the, uh, top has to go up and down a lot.

• 1:33:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, that next question doesn't make any sense.

• 1:33:07Matt Farah?

  But, uh, we'll skip it. It doesn't make sense. It's the check engine light anthem. Pretty good. Uh, with the Leno law seemingly about to pass, is there anything else you'd like to see him or another well-loved person of influence put their weight behind in the world of automotive law? Uh, from my understanding, that law was totally fucking hollowed out and doesn't actually end up helping really anyone.

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  It only helps cars before 1985 or something like that. So it doesn't help any of the Radwood stuff.

• 1:33:38Matt Farah?

  Seventy-six to eighty-five only.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you have to, and you have to run historic plates on it, I believe.

• 1:33:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And you probably, yeah. I, I don't think that's, I mean, it's better than nothing, but it's definitely not, not the kind of win I was hoping for.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  I would like to have him or other people get back in there and try to get one pass for cars that we like.

• 1:33:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, and I would also like to see, um,

• 1:34:05Matt Farah?

  yeah, what else would I, I mean, I don't know. I, I, I,

• 1:34:16Matt Farah?

  I'd love to fucking not have them gut cafe. That's what I'd actually, I'd like, I, I, I would like to have fuel economy standards that, that fucking march towards a zero emissions future, even if it's not realistic to get there in 10 years. That's what I would like to have. And I'll put my fucking weight behind that. That's crazy. Fucking fascists. Hoop D157 says, uh, what car item collab would you like to see if the quality of the product was in line with the quality of the car? Example Lexus cooking knives with Japanese steel. Um, hmm. Car item collab where the quality would have to be there. I'd like

• 1:34:59Matt Farah?

  to see a Ferrari power drill where the, it was powered by a tiny little Ferrari V8.

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  That's a cool idea. Yeah, that's a fun idea.

• 1:35:09Matt Farah?

  That would be really fun.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  You know what would be rad? Uh, probably impossible, whatever, Dreamland. Like a Damascus steel wheel. Like if you, if it was a two-piece and the spokes were like actually hand-hammered Damascus steel, it'd probably take 18 years to make.

• 1:35:22Matt Farah?

  I would very much like to rip a Porsche tube. A bong.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:35:27Matt Farah?

  Like Porsche makes that hookah, the Porsche Design Hookah.

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:31Matt Farah?

  That like you can smoke weed out of, but it's not optimized for it for that. It's optimized for shisha. Like that, like you can smoke weed out of it and should, in fact. And like, why else would you buy a Porsche Design bong? But I'd like to see the Germans re-engineer a DOT 2. Bong, bong, DOT 2.

• 1:35:51Speaker 01

  See what they can really do.

• 1:35:52Matt Farah?

  Yes, it's designed for the optimum THC delivery to the dome.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  I feel like we get enough THC. I feel like the weed has enough THC.

• 1:35:59Matt Farah?

  No, we do. I just want to see what Porsche can do.

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  Gotcha, okay. They improved the intake of the THC by 27%. Maybe they'd get rid of like more of the carbon that you ingest when smoking it.

• 1:36:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  The smoke is actually cleaner than the air. Right, exactly, like Turbo S, yeah.

• 1:36:18Matt Farah?

  Last one, granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. I think you remember joking a while back that you're now a D-list celebrity. Uh, now that your fame has granted you access to A, B, and C-list celebrity car enthusiasts. Uh, do you enjoy talking to famous people or to regular people? Or is there no generalization that could be made?

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  I hate regular people. I can't stand their stories.

• 1:36:42Matt Farah?

  Um, I like talking to famous people as long as there's something to talk about. I don't want it to be an interview, you know? But if you're hanging out, there's a good, there's a buffer. You're in a small group, three, four, and stories are flying and, you know, that's, that's nice. I've been fortunate enough that the famous people that I've met, in a lot of cases, like sort of knew who I was. So I was like a little pre-approved maybe, but like, no, interesting people are good. You know, sometimes people are famous because they're interesting.

• 1:37:16Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:37:16Matt Farah?

  And sometimes they're famous for a different reason.

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:37:19Matt Farah?

  Also, you know, the other way. Sometimes people you've never heard of are the most interesting people ever.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  I think some of the, a lot of the interesting people or famous people like that you know and I know, sort of, are like, if they're comedians, they're famous for talking.

• 1:37:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  So they're good storytellers and there's like, they love banter. They're like doing bits and joking around. And so that makes it interesting. But if someone was like, someone could be the most famous. Guitar player in the world, and if they are just super focused on that, but and like, I'm not a musician, we might not actually have a lot to talk about.

• 1:37:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  And so there could be this weird thing. So I don't care that they're famous because there needs to be a vibe and we need to get along.

• 1:37:57Matt Farah?

  Well, and also like fame is really relative sometimes. Like dude, Zach hangs out with these people, like your Burning Man friends.

• 1:38:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:06Matt Farah?

  Who.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  They're nerd famous.

• 1:38:08Matt Farah?

  They're nerd famous, but like, but like, the vast majority of the universe probably couldn't pick these people out of a crowd and, and most people that are in tune with pop culture have also never fucking heard of these people.

• 1:38:19Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:38:20Matt Farah?

  But you showed me they're on an arena tour right now. They're selling out arenas.

• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:26Matt Farah?

  To play Dungeons and Dragons.

• 1:38:28Speaker 01

  Dungeons and Dragons.

• 1:38:29Matt Farah?

  Okay, so, so like, you know, i- i- in the, in the arena, these are fucking, this is Keith Richards.

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Matt Farah?

  But like.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  It blows my mind.

• 1:38:39Matt Farah?

  But like, have you ever, but have you hung out with them anywhere but Burning Man?

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:38:43Matt Farah?

  And mostly invisible, right?

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, like out in public?

• 1:38:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, mostly, we went to dinner, I went to dinner with two of them and at the restaurant, no one knew who they were, except like, but then one waiter really knew who they were.

• 1:38:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  And was very nice and stuff, so it's.

• 1:38:58Matt Farah?

  That's basically me.

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:39:00Matt Farah?

  That's basically me. Outside of a car show or anything, absolutely nobody of consequence whatsoever.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:06Matt Farah?

  But every once in a while, a valet parker or a waiter is an enormous fan, kind of, right?

• 1:39:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:13Matt Farah?

  That's a nice level of famous, pretty much. Sometimes it gets you things.

• 1:39:16Speaker 01

  And, and regarding normal people, there was a guy at the Houston show who was like a nuclear engineer in the Navy.

• 1:39:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  And then a nuclear engineer, and he downplayed all of it. His wife goes, he's a nuclear engineer.

• 1:39:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  And I was fascinated because he lived in a submarine, and then he built these things, and now he's got these cars, and he's the only person I've heard ever say that Audis don't require a lot of maintenance. And then I was like, oh, that's because your brain is used to building a nuclear reactor.

• 1:39:42Matt Farah?

  By the standards of the Eisenhower.

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  He said, he said he had a B5S4 once, and I went, oh, man, they have so many problems. He goes, no, you just have to do the maintenance. And then he described the maintenance, he was not referring to oil changes.

• 1:39:54Matt Farah?

  No, yeah.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  He's like, you just change this timing chain a couple of times, you do all these things, because his brain.

• 1:39:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  Can handle that stuff.

• 1:40:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  So I, I was fascinated by talking to that guy, because I thought his life story was cool.

• 1:40:03Matt Farah?

  Sure. And I'm not sure if the question is.

• 1:40:07Matt Farah?

  If we're talking about casual conversation, or if we're talking about on the podcast. On the podcast, the enjoyment is always someone who has something interesting to say. You know, to teach us, or whatever. That's not necessarily in line with what is successful for a podcast. But it is, it's definitely novel and fun to sit down with a celebrity that you've seen in something, or a lot of things, and to learn that they're actually pretty cool, and like, and mostly a regular person. Uh, which happens more often than it doesn't happen. A lot of times in LA, there's people that were like, huge in the 90s. And now they're kinda like, kinda nobody.

• 1:40:49Matt Farah?

  And you can meet those people, and they're the fucking mellowest, coolest folks, you know? They're happy you remember them, you know? Um, anyway, that's our show, folks. Thank you very much. I hope you have enjoyed this hour and 40 minutes of radio. Um, anything to add, Zach? Mm-mm. We'll be back next time, we'll talk about the M5 dot two, uh, M5 Review dot two. And, uh, this G-Wagon thing from Arcade that I'm driving over the weekend. Sort of a resto modded G-Wagon thing from the 80s, from like Russia or something. Yeah. Kinda nuts. Um, and yeah, more Smoke and Tire Podcast soon. See you guys, bye.