Jonny Lieberman (Eccentrica, Cayenne electric, Rivian R2)

Jonny Lieberman subs in to talk about the all new Rivian R2, the Electric Cayenne, and the Eccentrica. Do they agree? YES...and NO. Recorded August 31, 2026 https://www.youtube.com/@drivingwithjonny Show Notes: Fitbod' Get 25% off your Fitbod subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at Fitbod.me/TIRE. Quince Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers, or go to https://Quince.com/tire. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK, too Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST CHAPTERS: 00:00 Show starts 02:00 A forgotten book 07:45 Corvette ZR1X 10:00 Cayenne EV review 27:00 WHY do we have electric door handles? 31:30 Rivian R2 review 43:00 What makes a car an appliance? 58:45 Eccentrica V12 Coupe 01:12:40 Patreon questions begin Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  What up everybody, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by Off the Record. I am using Off the Record right now. I have an open case with Off the Record because the state accused me of doing something that I firmly insist I didn't do. And Off the Record is representing me in this matter. Well, more accurately, they have connected me with an extremely qualified attorney in LA County that is dealing with this matter. And that's what they can do for you. If you get a ticket anywhere in the United States, don't plead guilty, get Off the Record. Off the Record will connect you with a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got that ticket.

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• 1:24Speaker 00

  which, all three of which Johnny and I drove. And we agree on two of the three, and we pretty much disagree entirely on something about the third. So it's an interesting one with Johnny. Of course, Driving with Johnny on YouTube. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go.

• 1:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:47Speaker 00

  Hello.

• 1:47Matt Farah?

  Johnny.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  Hey.

• 1:48Matt Farah?

  Thank you for joining me today.

• 1:51Speaker 00

  I brought presents.

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  With gifts.

• 1:54Speaker 00

  So here.

• 1:55Matt Farah?

  Johnny has gifts. What do we have?

• 1:56Speaker 00

  Well, this is a book that

• 1:57Matt Farah?

  McLaren.

• 1:58Speaker 00

  My friend.

• 1:59Matt Farah?

  Cars.

• 1:59Speaker 00

  My friend Kyle Fortune wrote.

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  Shout out to him.

• 2:02Speaker 00

  And says Jay Leno did the forward, but I did the back cover.

• 2:06Matt Farah?

  The backward.

• 2:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, it says Jonny Lieberman right there.

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  You might, he might, he might have done the forward, but you did the backward.

• 2:10Speaker 00

  And he mailed this to me for you two years ago, and it's been, it's been sitting at my house.

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  This is like your trophy from Cota.

• 2:19Matt Farah?

  All right, thank you.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's cool. It goes, it goes from

• 2:21Matt Farah?

  Kyle and Jay and whoever was responsible for getting it.

• 2:24Speaker 00

  It goes from the MP412C up to whatever they were doing two years ago. So Artura, I guess. And then, um, so there's still the printer. So the next issue of the Road Rat, I wrote the cover story.

• 2:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, cool.

• 2:37Speaker 00

  And it's, it's an engineering issue. And

• 2:40Matt Farah?

  Can't wait to not read that.

• 2:41Speaker 00

  And, uh, yeah, he, well, he, it was something I really didn't want to write. He asked me to write the cover story, which is the engineering behind the Ford GT40. And I was like, oh, God.

• 2:52Matt Farah?

  The 60s one?

• 2:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I'm like, the problem with that is it's like writing about the Bible. It's just like, no matter what you write, 5,000 people are going to tell you how wrong you are about everything.

• 3:02Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 3:02Speaker 00

  But anyways, I did it. But then they didn't get here in time because he's like, oh, if you could promote it on, on Matt's show, that'd be great. But I have a stack of these.

• 3:10Matt Farah?

  All right, give me your magazine here. We got the Road Rat.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  I hear you're in talks with them.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  This is the Road Rat. I mean, I don't know about in talks. I love the Road Rat.

• 3:17Speaker 00

  It is great.

• 3:18Matt Farah?

  Although I work for a competing magazine, I suppose. The Road Rat is the, was the first of the sort of modern, it's the, it's the like a of car magazines.

• 3:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  It's where car magazines turn the corner from consumer info into hipster record players.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  It's the rec, it's the vinyl.

• 3:40Matt Farah?

  Yes. And we, we're at Road and Track, we're trying to do more, something more like that.

• 3:48Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 3:48Matt Farah?

  Not so British.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  Right. And, and well, that's, I mean, that's one of the things, like he said, well, you write this GT40. I said, I'm not going to mention Alan Mann Racing. I'm not going to mention, you know what I mean? I'm like, this is about Phil Remington in a garage in Marina Del Rey. This is, that's the story.

• 4:02Matt Farah?

  GT40 story.

• 4:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:04Matt Farah?

  About California.

• 4:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what, it was literally, I, I told him that.

• 4:07Matt Farah?

  Did you go talk to Charlie Agapoot?

• 4:09Speaker 00

  Uh, no, no, no. It was, I, again, it was, it was the engineering and, and it was, was one of those where he told me about it physically. He wanted to like, he didn't want to text me, he wanted to talk to me in person at Festival of Speed. And, uh, he's like, yeah, I want you to cover story. And this is what I want you to write. And I'm like, when's it due? And he's like, oh, like three weeks. I'm like, that's insane. That's an insane ask, but okay, I did it. So.

• 4:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, good.

• 4:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:34Matt Farah?

  Can't wait to read it.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, it'll, it, I don't know if you have to read that, but it's a fun magazine.

• 4:38Matt Farah?

  I, like, I told you, I have been subscribed to the Road Rat for, what is it, four years now?

• 4:43Speaker 00

  Longer, yeah.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  I've, I've been subscribed to it.

• 4:47Speaker 00

  It's worth it, yeah.

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  It is a, it's a great magazine. It's worth a read.

• 4:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I would say the difference between Road and Track and this is that this doesn't really do any drive reviews.

• 4:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:56Speaker 00

  This is just like cool photos and history. And I know Road and Track.

• 5:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, we, we do that.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Dips your toes.

• 5:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, they, there is new metal in the book, like there has to be.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:07Matt Farah?

  I frequently write it.

• 5:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:09Matt Farah?

  Better fact, my Grand Sport story is the metal in the upcoming issue.

• 5:13Speaker 00

  Oh, cool. Oh, you drove the Grand Sport?

• 5:15Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  And? I haven't driven the, the new Vets.

• 5:17Matt Farah?

  Uh, is there an embargo on that?

• 5:18Speaker 00

  Uh, there could be. I have no idea.

• 5:20Matt Farah?

  I don't know if there is, and I don't want to.

• 5:22Speaker 00

  Don't violate it.

• 5:24Matt Farah?

  You could guess.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  I mean, that engine sounds killer.

• 5:27Matt Farah?

  It's, it does. And well, I, you know, they, the 6.7 in that car now has, um, an optional center exit exhaust.

• 5:35Speaker 00

  Sweet.

• 5:36Matt Farah?

  So it can look like the Z06, and that also changes sort of the, the tone of the, of the car a little bit.

• 5:42Speaker 00

  Cool.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  It sounds a little more even and a little less like, uh, trucky.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, you know, look, the bigger the V8, the better. So.

• 5:49Matt Farah?

  Generally.

• 5:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:50Matt Farah?

  Unless you're talking about very small ones. Very small ones are also good.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  But I just remember, like, to me, one of the benchmark engines of all time was the, the last 7.0 liter GM motor, like in the, uh, C6.

• 5:59Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 6:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just think that's like all time Hall of Fame.

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:04Speaker 00

  Rad, rad motor. So.

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, it is.

• 6:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:06Matt Farah?

  And, uh, so Zach isn't here today.

• 6:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:09Matt Farah?

  Zach is at home, uh, recovering from his back surgery, which he had last week. It was very successful. Um, he's actually like doing great. Uh, he came to a, a party at our house over, over the weekend and, and we got him a very comfortable chair and he stayed the whole time.

• 6:26Speaker 00

  I saw him, yes.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  But, uh, he can't quite, he can't quite sit at the table and, and podcast without being in pain. And so I'm going to run the board today, uh, which means it's the, our visual show won't be very good.

• 6:39Matt Farah?

  But, you know, uh, the others, this may be one to listen to on Spotify.

• 6:43Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 6:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, which by the way, uh, Zach would like, uh, uh, to say to the audience, the reason we are not on video on Spotify yet, because you can do video on Spotify now for podcasts.

• 6:57Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 6:57Matt Farah?

  You can.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  I, I believe you.

• 6:58Matt Farah?

  Like, we can get the actual video on, on Spotify, whatever. The reason we're not on Spotify yet is because Zach has gotten five error messages in a row and spent the weekend with Spotify's customer service and so forth.

• 7:11Speaker 00

  Sounds awesome.

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  So that's why. So I asked Johnny to come join me today, um, mainly because I've spent the last three weeks like driving a bunch of stuff. And so I'm like backed up and talking about these cars. And I was like, Johnny, have you driven the Rivian R2, the Eccentrica Diablo, and the new electric Cayenne? And he was like, all three. And I was like, great. You're on the show today.

• 7:38Speaker 00

  And the ZR1X, it's out front.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  And the ZR1X, which I'm driving right now, but I, because I like, I, I got it like not even two hours ago.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:46Matt Farah?

  I kind of want to hold off on that one and we can, we could circle back to it.

• 7:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:50Matt Farah?

  It's so far not bad.

• 7:54Speaker 00

  My two cents on the ZR1X is just real quick, is that like a single front motor doesn't do anything

• 8:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  for handling. And the last thing the ZR1 needed was more power.

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  I, I agree on both counts.

• 8:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  And in my opinion, the E-Ray, which I've driven and lots of, plenty of E-Ray miles, uh, the steering feel is worse.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 8:15Matt Farah?

  With the front motor.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  So this is the E-Ray steering, and you're putting 200 pounds on the nose and man, that ZR1's really good.

• 8:23Matt Farah?

  The ZR1's really, really good.

• 8:25Speaker 00

  Really good.

• 8:25Matt Farah?

  My initial vibe is regular ZR1 for the win. Having said that, I haven't tried the X. I've been asking for a couple of months and they got me the X. So we're trying the X.

• 8:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it's, it's, it's cool. It's, you know, 1,000 horsepower cars are cool, or 1,250 horsepower cars are cool. It's just, you know, it's not, um, Two motors on the front axle weirdly will will make it drive better.

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:49Matt Farah?

  No, no, that's.

• 8:50Speaker 00

  But it'll add even more weight to the forty one hundred pound Corvette, so.

• 8:53Matt Farah?

  The way that they have done it, um, whether it's the E-Ray or now Grand Sport X or the is is this single front motor setup is great for zero sixty.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:08Matt Farah?

  It gets you that.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  It's very good.

• 9:09Matt Farah?

  You that extra little something that you need to go straight. But it does not give you that magical electric front end steering that you got, starting with the nine eighteen through the second gen NSX and then into the Ferrari, like the F eighty.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Zinger.

• 9:26Matt Farah?

  The Zinger.

• 9:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:27Matt Farah?

  Um, and any of the other things that use two separate motors.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  Well said.

• 9:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:32Speaker 00

  And it it only adds like ten percent more power too. It's not like it's not some some huge power gain because again, it's the thousand sixty four horsepower off the V eight.

• 9:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's it's just low speed traction in the wet and doing a good zero to sixty. That's what it's.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, a quarter mile, that's a good quarter.

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  Sure, yeah, I mean, you're you're straight line, uh, you're straight line, sorry.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  Keeps pulling.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  So let's let's so let's talk about a car that doesn't do good, uh, good zero to sixty. The Cayenne EV, no, the Cayenne eight hundred and eighty four horsepower.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  Did you, so which one did you drive?

• 10:04Matt Farah?

  Hang on, let's let's make a, I gotta make a thing.

• 10:06Speaker 00

  Make a thing.

• 10:07Matt Farah?

  No, like, like, like pictures.

• 10:09Speaker 00

  Oh, pictures.

• 10:10Matt Farah?

  I make pictures.

• 10:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:11Matt Farah?

  I make pictures and how do I make pictures on the biggest screen? Here we go. Oh, I'm making the big screen.

• 10:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 10:17Matt Farah?

  I drove.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  Is that the Turbo?

• 10:19Matt Farah?

  The Turbo.

• 10:20Speaker 00

  I didn't drive the Turbo.

• 10:21Matt Farah?

  The Turbo.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  I drove the S.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  And, uh, you drove the S?

• 10:25Speaker 00

  I drove the S.

• 10:26Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, we can, there's, there will be, there, then we can compare notes.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:29Matt Farah?

  Uh, effectively. Uh, here's the Turbo.

• 10:32Speaker 00

  There's a good picture.

• 10:33Matt Farah?

  Above Aspen, that's at the continental divide over.

• 10:36Speaker 00

  Oh, it's in there.

• 10:36Matt Farah?

  Twelve thousand feet.

• 10:37Speaker 00

  Beautiful, beautiful.

• 10:38Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's nice when you have an eight hundred and forty four horsepower electric car that loses no horsepower as ever all the other cars are losing horsepower.

• 10:47Speaker 00

  Also, like, isn't it also like twelve hundred pound feet of torque or thereabouts? Like something absolutely mental patient?

• 10:53Matt Farah?

  Like some in fucking Newton meter, whatever it is.

• 10:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:57Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's in metric, but it's a fuck ton. It's a metric fuck ton.

• 11:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:01Matt Farah?

  Of, uh, torque and.

• 11:03Speaker 00

  So I've heard like nothing but amazing things about the Turbo. I've just heard the Turbo is like fantastic.

• 11:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, so what you have here is an all new platform. You have a hundred and thirteen, uh, kilowatt hour battery pack. Uh, you've got dual motors, um, and they're, they're direct cooled motors. Um, that's, I don't really know what that means, but I do know that they use it in Formula E.

• 11:27Speaker 00

  They got, they get oil pumped through them.

• 11:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:29Matt Farah?

  There we go.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:30Matt Farah?

  Um, what does that mean in real life? Uh, not much. What does it mean in, in, in Porsche world? It means if you've driven a Taycan and you're used to that two speed electric thing.

• 11:39Speaker 00

  Two speed on the rear motor.

• 11:40Matt Farah?

  This is now gone.

• 11:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:41Matt Farah?

  Doesn't exist anymore. So now it's got that, you don't feel that little hint of the, of the shift anymore. I gotta say, it is truly one of the best driving electric cars I've driven. Folks taking a quick break because FitBod is coming in hot. We love FitBod here at the Smoking Tire and we're about to get into fall. You know what fall means? It's like leaves changing, warm vibes, back to school, back to work, being at home, building fires, all that stuff. You gotta change up your routine. You gotta motivate to get that new routine going and that's why FitBod is here.

• 12:21Matt Farah?

  It is so easy and I have found in my many, many years of trying to be in better shape that getting into a rut and doing the same workout over and over is the quickest way to waste your time, right? Cause your body gets so used to it, it's just diminishing returns every time you do it. You're not getting as good of a workout the next time you do the same thing. That's why you've gotta change it up, but you don't know how to change it up, right? If you got a personal trainer at home, they're gonna change it up for you. You don't have to think, right? You don't have to, you don't have to go do research because they're just gonna tell you, right? But personal trainers are very expensive, they're hard to find, not everybody can do that.

• 13:02Matt Farah?

  FitBod is like having a personal trainer in your pocket. They're right there with you from the videos that show you how to do the right, uh, moves, the right positioning so you don't get hurt, to the variations in your workout that can only come from professionals, right? FitBod creates a personalized workout routine based on your goals, fitness level and the available equipment at your gym. The workouts then adapt to your growth, so every session is challenging enough to push you to make progress. FitBod can then track your muscle recovery so you can avoid burnout and keep up your momentum. It's easy. FitBod builds the plan and you build the strength.

• 13:47Matt Farah?

  Now you can get twenty five percent off your FitBod subscription or try the app free for seven days at fitbod.me/tire. That's F I T B O D dot M E slash tire. With Active Ride, with all these tricks they're pulling it in, in order to make it feel smaller and lighter than it is, in general, those tricks do work.

• 14:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:12Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's a very, very nice thing to drive. It's spacious, it's insanely fast. I mean, and an Active Ride just makes my life great.

• 14:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I I drove the S and, um, really just drove around the freeways in Germany. So I have a different, again, nothing bad. It was just like, it was a very nice vehicle to commute in. It had every tech feature known to man. We hopped in, our American CarPlay worked with the German interface, which was, we were, didn't think would happen, so that was nice. Um, you know, it's only, I don't know, four hundred and eighty horsepower or whatever the S is.

• 14:47Matt Farah?

  The S is five thirty six.

• 14:48Speaker 00

  Five thirty six.

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  The base is four oh two.

• 14:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 14:51Matt Farah?

  And then five thirty six and then eight forty four.

• 14:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it seemed, it seemed totally fast enough. The curved screen, I just kept looking at that and being like.

• 15:00Matt Farah?

  So you're talking about.

• 15:02Speaker 00

  The center screen, yeah.

• 15:03Matt Farah?

  Screen, which you can't tell in my, in my photo here, but.

• 15:06Speaker 00

  You can kinda tell.

• 15:07Matt Farah?

  You can sort of tell about, at about the, the.

• 15:10Speaker 00

  Halfway, yeah.

• 15:11Matt Farah?

  Mark from the top, the low, the bottom third of it is curved out towards you. It's an OLED, the, um, and then you can rest your palm sort of right at the base of the dash there and they made us know it's the, the curve is the radius of your finger motion if your palm is resting on the.

• 15:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure, yeah, sure. Uh, yeah, I just kept looking at that and being like, like, what is, what is a bendy screen gonna look like at a hundred and twenty thousand miles?

• 15:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  It just, like, it just, there seemed to be like the brightness right at the actual fold seemed off to me.

• 15:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:50Speaker 00

  And it could have been, just been me staring at it and bored and jet lagged, but I don't know, it's, it seems like kind of a weird gimmick thing to do. Uh, I guess the idea is like you don't want two screens, you don't want an angle or it gives it more space or.

• 16:03Matt Farah?

  I agree with you that it's lightly gimmicky, but as you can see, curved screens are the new screens.

• 16:10Speaker 00

  But it's more of like a fold. It's like a, it's like a this instead of a, it's not just like a gentle curve like on a monitor, it's like a.

• 16:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the gauge cluster screen is a gentle curve.

• 16:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:21Matt Farah?

  The other thing they've done that's really, really bizarre is the, the sport chrono clock on the very top now has a flat top. It's not round anymore.

• 16:32Speaker 00

  What, just for visibility?

• 16:34Matt Farah?

  I don't know, and maybe it might mirror this flat top look of the binnacle. They might, it might be incongruous to have a round shape on the dash, but it looks weird as hell.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  It's kinda melty, yeah.

• 16:48Matt Farah?

  It's very melty. Now, at the car has.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  And look, the car looks kinda melty.

• 16:52Matt Farah?

  Cars are a little melty. It has all this active aero stuff in the front. It also has active aero.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Weird blades.

• 16:58Matt Farah?

  The blades in the rear. If you look at the rear, oops, sorry, I'm not, like I said, I'm not very good at the photos here.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  That's okay, that's okay.

• 17:04Matt Farah?

  Let's see, give me a rear, there we go.

• 17:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:06Matt Farah?

  So right, uh, below the rear on the, uh, taillights, it looks like air extractors.

• 17:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:13Matt Farah?

  But when you're going above a certain speed, these black bits protrude straight out backwards.

• 17:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:21Matt Farah?

  Which is sort of funky.

• 17:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it gives, I fear it was, it extends the aero profile, so.

• 17:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  It, I fear, they explained it to me, but yeah, better aerodynamics.

• 17:28Matt Farah?

  God help you if you get, you know, get rear ended after a place this whole time. You know what I'm saying? Yikes, right?

• 17:35Speaker 00

  That's, I hadn't thought about that, but yeah.

• 17:37Matt Farah?

  Well, believe me, I know about.

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Yes, right, rear ending Porsches, yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, I, I thought it was totally like a, a really nice vehicle and I, and I thought, I was disappointed, I had a Macan Turbo.

• 17:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  And I was a little disappointed in just kind of how dull I found that. Now, I heard that with the GTS.

• 17:56Matt Farah?

  The GTS is lively.

• 17:57Speaker 00

  Was, they did like an, almost an emergency refresh, it was kinda like, oh boy, this is, this is kinda boring. And I, and everyone I know who's driven the Cayenne Turbo is just like, it drives incredible.

• 18:06Matt Farah?

  It's insane. It's insane how fast it is.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  That's great.

• 18:09Matt Farah?

  And because it has this six hundred kilowatt regenerative braking system, which is a lot, that's a big number.

• 18:15Speaker 00

  That's humongo, yeah. The Hummer EV was the former big one was like four hundred, so six hundred is a lot.

• 18:21Matt Farah?

  You don't need ceramic brakes, like the regenerative braking really does like ninety five percent of the braking work. You'll see in one of these photos, here we go, we're on, they sent us down a twenty mile gravel road, which is effectively a rally stage. And, um, so really interesting because we're on P zeros, okay? Which had a ton of grip. You had to go, even with things full off, you had to go really fast to get this thing to brake traction in the gravel.

• 18:49Speaker 00

  On, on P, okay.

• 18:50Matt Farah?

  On P zeros.

• 18:51Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 18:52Matt Farah?

  And when you did, but here's what was interesting and kind of a bummer. It doesn't have like a rally mode. And so it has this crazy fast steering ratio.

• 19:04Speaker 00

  Right, right, right, right.

• 19:05Matt Farah?

  Which feels normal, but direct on the road. When you turn everything off and start getting it loose, it also has five degrees of rear steer. So when you start to finally get it loose, the quick steering ratio and the rear steer start to work against.

• 19:23Speaker 00

  Oh, they fight it. Yeah, yeah, right, right, right.

• 19:25Matt Farah?

  And so I wish that had like a rally mode that like deactivated the rear steer.

• 19:31Speaker 00

  Well, over the air updates.

• 19:32Matt Farah?

  They could.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  It's possible. Cause Rivian adds drive modes all the time. They add the snow mode. Yeah.

• 19:37Matt Farah?

  And Rivian's are good when you try to start rallying them.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  Rivian loves it. Yeah, they actually, that's weirdly, that's like one of their core competencies is like sliding the ass around.

• 19:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like I've seen like Kyle Kyle's like POV Rivian drifting.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  Kyle does that in minivans. Kyle's, he like, he literally bought a racetrack. Like he's, you know, yeah.

• 19:56Matt Farah?

  Respect.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Bad respect.

• 19:58Matt Farah?

  Um, but I, I do wish it had more of like a, a fun rally mode because although I, I was me and Van Runkel, we're partnered together. We had a great time. We did have a good time. And I'm not saying you can't like slide it on dirt, but, but considering what it is and the shape and power, it should be better at it and computers could be made to do.

• 20:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, totally.

• 20:21Matt Farah?

  Um, having said that, if you, if it's your goal to not slide when you're on a loose surface, it's incredibly surefooted.

• 20:27Speaker 00

  That's good too. There are people that want that. I will just add, I got a ride in the new Mercedes, uh, AMG crazy ass SUV. So you know, they introduced that yellow thing on the bridge downtown? So there's an SUV version of it, which I've seen, there's no pictures exist, but I've seen it uncamoed and it looks very good, unlike the sedan. Um, holy fuck balls. So you've driven the Lucid Sapphire.

• 20:54Matt Farah?

  I have. It's nuts.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  1400 pound feet of torque. The AMG has more. It's like 1475. He did, he wasn't, he wasn't doing it for everybody else, but he did like a standing start. It was insane. I was just like, but like, you know how like, okay, yeah, EVs are fast and then you do it in the Sapphire and you're, and you're like, jeez.

• 21:14Matt Farah?

  Is unpleasant.

• 21:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. You're like, whoa, this is quicker.

• 21:17Matt Farah?

  I don't, we stop. We can stop.

• 21:20Speaker 00

  Um, I don't know. I kinda like it.

• 21:21Matt Farah?

  The Cayenne, the way the Cayenne gets out of the hole on gravel, you know, with the traction and sport, it gets unbelievable how it gets out of the hole on gravel.

• 21:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm just saying there's gonna be a lot of good, high-end German EVs and then all the BMW stuff's coming. That's gonna be even better supposedly.

• 21:37Matt Farah?

  This is like, I mean, just, I got one day with it, right? So I, I, I'm not, I'm by no means an expert. Um, it, it is a wonderful machine. Now it's expensive.

• 21:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:48Matt Farah?

  Uh, turbo, uh, the base price of the base one, and I drove a base one briefly. It's lovely.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:54Matt Farah?

  It's on air suspension. It doesn't get active ride. It has enough power for anybody, any normal person. So that's a hundred, a hundred and nine thousand. You all right there?

• 22:03Speaker 00

  I got coffee in my nose somehow. I have a really rough day.

• 22:06Matt Farah?

  That's how I take my coffee sometimes, but I don't call it coffee.

• 22:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. Columbia.

• 22:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, so the turbo starts at 168. Uh, there's like an available off-road package, which, okay.

• 22:18Speaker 00

  Oh, that'd be cool.

• 22:19Matt Farah?

  Um, uh, mine didn't have that and mine also didn't have these. They have some new really cool massage seats that mine didn't have. Um, but you know, you can get, um, PTS colors. You can get all this other stuff. So, you know, you know, think 175. Now that's a ton of money.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 22:34Matt Farah?

  But asterisk, my dad bought in 2004, a brand new Cayenne Turbo.

• 22:43Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  And I went back and asked him and it was $97,000.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  So adjusted for inflation.

• 22:50Matt Farah?

  171. So it's, it's really not any more expensive than, than all Cayenne turbos have been since. So, you know, it, it, it's a lot of money and it's an enormous amount of car. I mean, it, it actually, I mean, no bullshit. This, the turbo, not so much the base one, but the turbo dances.

• 23:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:11Matt Farah?

  Really.

• 23:12Speaker 00

  This is what I keep hearing. Yeah.

• 23:14Matt Farah?

  And with active ride and the helicopter mode, you've got a proper.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  Helicopter mode's rad.

• 23:20Matt Farah?

  You've got a proper luxury car. You turn, you know, you crank up all the knobs and you've got something that is very sporting. Really very sport.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  Helicopter mode is where the, the hydraulic dampers pops the ass up and so, um, or wait, wait, they can do either one. Yeah.

• 23:38Matt Farah?

  Accelerate, it, it dips forward like a helicopter would accelerate. And when you brake, it flares the nose.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  So it counteracts the normal forces. So.

• 23:48Matt Farah?

  It's very comfortable.

• 23:49Speaker 00

  So normally when you accelerate in a car, you know, the rear squats and you have light steering, this, the idea is this shoves the weight forward.

• 23:56Matt Farah?

  It also leans into corners.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Right. So it's just kind of like reverse suspension, which is, I've, I've, I mean, I fell in love with that on the, the Audi, the RS e-tron GT has helicopter mode. It's just like, what an outstanding vehicle. Like just, you know.

• 24:10Matt Farah?

  That suspension shit. Now can I show you something? Oh, I didn't, I'm gonna zoom in on it.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:16Matt Farah?

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• 26:14Speaker 00

  I don't remember.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  So you see these door handles here? That's Van Runkle's hand. So these hand, these, these door handles fold down like a drawbridge.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Oh, do they? I don't even remember. That's weird. Yeah.

• 26:27Matt Farah?

  Is in my opinion, no bueno.

• 26:29Speaker 00

  I would say so, okay, okay. So I'm, I'm, I'm, how do I put this? I'm willing to listen to modern day car engineers when they say, hey, you know what? Having a fan, uh, vents that you move on a touchscreen, there's an advantage to that. And I go, yeah. And then a year and a half after owning it, Rivian came out with presets for, for the, for the vents, which like my wife hates air in her face. I can't live without it. I'm like, oh, brilliant. Like it's just great. I can move all four, you know, okay, there is an advantage. Electric door handles.

• 27:02Matt Farah?

  I'd figure it out.

• 27:03Speaker 00

  I don't see any advantage. I just like, and, and again, I remember RJ from Rivian was like, there's an advantage. I'm like, and it is? He's like, we'll program it soon. But like, being able to control it electronically, there's some, there will be an advantage. And so you get stuff like this, which the folding down's bad. That's not, that's, just make, you, you don't need to reinvent door handles.

• 27:24Matt Farah?

  I guess, I guess there's an advantage if it's a powered door, like the Rolls Royce.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  We're not talking about that.

• 27:30Matt Farah?

  If it's a regular door.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  I don't, it, but like Corvette's doing it. Like, and everybody wants to have like pop out weird hand. I just.

• 27:38Matt Farah?

  Everyone's door handles seem to be worse, getting worse.

• 27:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's an industry problem. It really is. Yeah.

• 27:45Matt Farah?

  Car has like good door handles right now.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  And like the, you know, they do it for arrows. So you know.

• 27:51Matt Farah?

  On the outside.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  On the outside. So like, like, like the Rivian for my, my truck, there are one for instance. Those work pretty good. It's kinda like a Nissan GT-R. They're powered. They pop out. However, at 50,000 miles, now my door handle squeaks when it opens. It's like, ah, and it's like, do I wanna bring it in for a week to fix the squeak?

• 28:10Matt Farah?

  The Taycan door handles, which same thing.

• 28:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:13Matt Farah?

  They, you know, they, they pop out when you unlock the car.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Although those are so weird, but yeah, yeah.

• 28:18Matt Farah?

  Flush.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:19Matt Farah?

  So it's, it's, it's, they, they, they go flush when you move over a certain speed.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Right.

• 28:26Matt Farah?

  Whether you're going in forwards or reverse.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah. Reverse arrow?

• 28:31Matt Farah?

  So just like, I don't know. So here's a, as I back out of my driveway, they always seem to close right at the time I cross the threshold of driveway to street.

• 28:43Speaker 00

  Right.

• 28:43Matt Farah?

  And I'm like, my fucking car is squeaking. It squeak, it took me so long to realize that that sound was the door handle going.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  Funny. This is just one. It's just my door handle squeaks and like, I'm sure, I'm sure. Yeah. WD or I have some silicon spray. So, but you know what I mean? It's like.

• 28:59Matt Farah?

  TSB and it's gonna say WD.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  Yes. But, but you know what? It's, it, you know, it's like, oh, do I take it in for that? Like, no, just let it squeak. But then it, it does bother you, you know?

• 29:09Matt Farah?

  Sure. Every time?

• 29:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just like, ah.

• 29:14Matt Farah?

  Uh, but in, in general, I mean, I, I, oh boy.

• 29:17Speaker 00

  Johnny show.

• 29:19Matt Farah?

  Happened. That's the name of the, of the folder there. In general, like I was very impressed with the Cayenne's dynamics. Uh, the build quality is, is what you would expect from a Porsche at this price point. And I think, you know, it, it, from 113 kilowatts, when we started and it was full, it said like 370 miles. Now granted, we were driving fast.

• 29:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:44Matt Farah?

  And we didn't get that.

• 29:46Speaker 00

  No, but 370 is insane if it can get 370 out of 113. That's, that's so.

• 29:52Matt Farah?

  Somebody might have been puttering it around for a while before we got there.

• 29:56Speaker 00

  Most people putter, right? Most people putter. So 113 kilowatt hours, that's the size of like a Lucid battery.

• 30:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Uh, of like the, the, the air. I don't really know. I should know what the gravity is. I don't know off the top of my head, but I think it's 112, 113. And and those go so a Lucid Air can go 500 but it's gonna weigh a thousand pounds less and be a lot more slippery cuz it's it's a sedan. So 370 for an SUV, that's that's really good.

• 30:21Matt Farah?

  The Cayenne, uh, the base Cayenne coefficient of drag is point two three.

• 30:26Speaker 00

  That's insane for an SUV. That's that's crazy for an SUV.

• 30:29Matt Farah?

  And the turbo is point two five.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:32Matt Farah?

  So that's great.

• 30:33Speaker 00

  So a a third or fourth gen Prius is Prius is point two five.

• 30:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  So that's that's wild. But they 370, again, that's that's really good range. That's good range.

• 30:44Matt Farah?

  Wait, wait, what was a Lucid? Hang on. What is the Lucid?

• 30:47Speaker 00

  The Lucid Gravity?

• 30:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 00

  Battery size and kilowatt hours.

• 30:56Matt Farah?

  Usually I have a Zach for the.

• 30:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:58Matt Farah?

  Eighty-nine and the one twenty-three for the grand touring.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay. Okay. So yeah, so the I like it. Okay, so eighty-nine is the size of the R2. Uh, it's the size of the Model Y, thereabouts. It's like eighty-eight, eighty-seven, something like that.

• 31:10Matt Farah?

  Speaking of.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh.

• 31:12Matt Farah?

  Speaking of which.

• 31:14Speaker 00

  People are gonna be like, you guys just talk about EVs.

• 31:17Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, we're talking about good ones. I'm not talking about like the whatever that thing is that you drove here in.

• 31:23Speaker 00

  The Subaru Trail Seeker. We could talk about that.

• 31:26Matt Farah?

  The ones that you wanna talk about cuz I spent the last week, uh, driving the Rivian R2.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  And?

• 31:32Matt Farah?

  Um, so I was I was really excited, you know, to drive the R2. I am a fan of the R1s. Uh, for most of the most things about them.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:42Matt Farah?

  I thought I find them to be incredibly pleasant to drive and use.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  They're great.

• 31:46Matt Farah?

  Um, I know you've had one and have liked it. I've had other friends who've had them and liked it. I've had other friends who've had them, lemoned them, liked them so much, they got them again, lemoned them again, and got a third one. Two people are on three in a row.

• 31:59Speaker 00

  That's crazy. Yeah, look, new company, whatever. I mean, and again, like, like, I like, you know, yes, you know. The problem with anecdotes is they become, that means that Rivians are all lemon.

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  If you look at Consumer Reports, their reliability ratings are terrible, but I I don't care. I like how they drive.

• 32:15Speaker 00

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 32:15Matt Farah?

  And and and and that notwithstanding, the people who buy them, even if they are unreliable, a lot like early Tesla people, tend to not give a shit and just will buy them.

• 32:27Speaker 00

  But I would just, you mentioned Consumer Reports, you know, by far the highest customer satisfaction rating according to Consumer Reports is Rivian.

• 32:34Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 32:35Speaker 00

  And what's great is they hate Rivian for some reason, like their reviewers up in New Hampshire, or the hell they are. And they're like, we can't figure it out cuz it drives terrible, but the customers just love them. And like, next is like BMW and it's like thirteen points less or something.

• 32:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, the customers do like them. I think, uh.

• 32:50Speaker 00

  They're great.

• 32:51Matt Farah?

  The, uh, yeah, anyway, so the R2, I mean, look at it. It's it's it's an R1 but smaller, right? It's it's smaller and it's cheaper. And so it has its new architecture, but it it effectively has, quote, less things, right? So it doesn't have the crazy suspension.

• 33:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it's not a hardcore off-roader. It's a regular off-roader.

• 33:11Matt Farah?

  Off-roader, yeah. Um, it's about the size of a Bronco Sport, give or take, on the outside.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  Hmm, yeah, a little bigger. It's it's it's the same wheelbase as a Model Y. It's that form factor, but it's boxier, so you get more storage space.

• 33:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the ergonomics, uh, are quite good. The seating position's good. It's got a lot of room in the front and the backseat, too.

• 33:31Speaker 00

  The backseat slotters like the Rivian R1S. It was funny cuz I went on the launch and so they picked us up in R1S's and and put us in the in the middle seat and drove us to, you know, Park City from from Salt Lake. And I remember like thinking like, wow, I don't remember this backseat being so bad. And I'm like, actually, I've really never spent any time in the back of an S, you know? And then we get into the R2 backseat and it's like, holy cow, this is like, this is so good.

• 33:55Matt Farah?

  It is much, it is much better, uh, in the back of the R2. Um, and, uh, look, i- in in the, frankly, I don't know how much horsepower.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  It's six hundred and fifty-six.

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  Okay. In the binary of is it fucking fast? Like, yeah, it's really fast.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  What's cool, what's cool is these these motors, I fear they call them, so they're the endurance motors in the R1 and then they rejigger it for R2, they're called Maximus motors. They make less low-down torque, but like at seventy miles an hour, they come alive.

• 34:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's got a fucking hell of a highway pull.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 34:28Matt Farah?

  Seventy to a hundred is really staggering.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, uh, yes.

• 34:34Matt Farah?

  I don't know where it stops pulling, but it's still going pretty hard at a hundred.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  I went up to like a hundred and fifteen or so in Utah and, uh, it felt like it was still pulling. I was just like.

• 34:46Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't go quicker than that on these off-road tires. I did, I had the twenty-inch, uh, off-road tires.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  I I drove both.

• 34:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:52Speaker 00

  Um.

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  Is there much difference?

• 34:54Speaker 00

  The twenty-one's rock ass on a back road. They're, it again, like, why is why is wild handling cars a Rivian brand value? Who knows? But they, it is.

• 35:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  So it was very good. Twenties are pretty good.

• 35:07Matt Farah?

  The twenties, I think, the ride in town is good. They they do weird things, you know, they lose grip at sort of strange times cuz they're off-roady.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:17Matt Farah?

  The old, like, I I really like how this steers. Like, I thought the R1T steered beautifully. The R1S steers badly. Because they didn't change it when they shortened the wheelbase, so it steers all fucking wonky.

• 35:29Speaker 00

  They fixed it for Gen two a little bit, but yeah.

• 35:31Matt Farah?

  But not really. It still was weird, but this this steer's nice.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:36Matt Farah?

  Um, I I do like how this steers. Um, I thought the middle, middle level regen was good. The high is like a lot of regen. I didn't really need that much. Um, it's, so I know you're you're used to it from the R1. I found myself getting lost in the interface a few times.

• 35:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:55Matt Farah?

  It it it, a couple times I ended up in screens where I was like, how did I end up here and how do I get out? I also.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  Fair, yeah.

• 36:04Matt Farah?

  It it, once I finally got the app, uh, going, it's much better with the app. There's a, there is the key, the physical key. I'm glad that it still exists, you know, but it's laggy. Like, the the like unlock, but and I had two different people tell me, this car's not designed for the key. It's designed for the phone.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  It's funny cuz like both Rivian and Lucid can't get physical keys right.

• 36:28Matt Farah?

  And so, settled science.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  Well, I just, it's just startups don't focus on that. They they get the key from a supplier, I guess, or something.

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  Speaking of which, of keys, the new Cayenne, to just circle back to that, so if you look at my Spyder and all Porsche keys from like, you know, twenty-eleven.

• 36:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:46Matt Farah?

  To to.

• 36:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, yesterday, yeah, yeah.

• 36:49Matt Farah?

  To nine-nine-two, twenty-eleven till twenty-twenty. They're a certain shape, right?

• 36:54Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 36:54Matt Farah?

  And they're kind of long and skinny.

• 36:56Speaker 00

  They look like the car. They look like a Panamera, yeah.

• 36:58Matt Farah?

  Right. Then nine-nine-two and Taycan, they got a little wider and flatter, right? And the buttons got sunken in, right? Now for Cayenne and Macani V, they've taken the wider, flatter one and made it taller. So it's now like the size of my key.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  That's huge.

• 37:17Matt Farah?

  But like twenty percent bigger. I'm like, guys, what are you doing? What are you, what are you doing?

• 37:22Speaker 00

  I mean, I think I like, I, does the Cayenne have phone as key?

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 37:26Speaker 00

  Okay. So I think for like a lot of women, just keep the key in their purse, but but like, you know, between, before I started using my Rivian to film, uh, uh, videos for my YouTube thing. We'd we'd use the key if we like, maybe we went to the car wash, but usually I have like a credit card thing I keep in my wallet. Usually I hand them that. I never touch the key. And also, the first gen R1 key is not only like everything you said bad about this key, but it's black and they didn't paint anything. So like, if it's, the sun is down, you just can't see what you're pushing. It's totally useless.

• 37:59Matt Farah?

  Really good, yes. Genesis, Genesis has the buttons on the side of the key.

• 38:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:04Matt Farah?

  Which are, you need like a microscope to see, and the difference between lock and unlock is like one pixel.

• 38:13Speaker 00

  That's a huge, huge fail for a luxury brand. Yeah, I.

• 38:16Matt Farah?

  And you do need the key for that car.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  No, I know. The the one that was great was, do you remember the Kia Stinger? It had like a, it was like a, it was like a, you know, you're setting off a bomb.

• 38:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  Button to unlock and it was just, it was at a forty-five degree angle and that was a good key.

• 38:29Matt Farah?

  Yes, I agree.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  But anyways, yeah, so I was I was very impressed with this vehicle. I I, again, for for fifty-nine thousand bucks or sixty-one thousand with destination. Like, to have that ride quality, that much power, that much handling, and we went off-roading.

• 38:46Matt Farah?

  Free is pretty good. I use the hand, I use the hands free on the highway.

• 38:49Speaker 00

  Better, yeah. It's gonna get better.

• 38:50Matt Farah?

  And when the lidar thing, when the lidar.

• 38:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, that'll be, that will.

• 38:54Matt Farah?

  Facelift.

• 38:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, that will be, so, okay, so I'll get that in one second, yeah. Um, and then we went off-roading. And we did, I would say, medium, light to medium off-roading, you know, and what they did was, and they were just like.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  To the trail we like up here in, uh, Rower.

• 39:11Speaker 00

  Um, well, you know, so Rower, you know, there's ways, there, you could definitely get this to the top, a hundred percent. And now that said, could you go on the really hard parts? No.

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  Okay, so it's somewhere between that.

• 39:22Speaker 00

  And so I was kind of bitching and moaning. I'm like, I'm like, guys, you could, any car could, cuz all the hard stuff, they had us going downhill. And and the guy who's like the, wherever he was, he was in the car with us, he's like, look, he's like, we're doing a huge launch. We don't have that many cars. They all have to get through. He's like, but that obstacle that you're driving down, he's like, I drove this car up it. Like, you don't, you don't have to believe me, but it can go up it. I'm like, all right, that's like a medium grade. It's not a rock crawler. Um, and then I would say this, the twenty-one's, the car with those is so quiet, it's sort of creepy if you're by yourself. So the twenties, they make more road noise, so it's better. Cuz like, like, you ever been in like a Rolls Phantom where you're like, you hear your heart beating and you're like, this is.

• 40:07Matt Farah?

  A little too creepy.

• 40:08Speaker 00

  And that's kind of the problem with this. But but again, like, the the, all the, all the stuff, the the the screen, um, I get, I would just say like, if you're used to it, it totally works. But that's a bad excuse cuz if you're used to anything, it totally works. But then that's always, you know.

• 40:23Matt Farah?

  No, I I I I think, I, there was nothing about it where I like couldn't use it or was like totally freaking out, but there were, I I didn't love. I really didn't love the climate control settings. And now maybe, uh, if I owned it, so it was just like, I just, the way, the way I had to change, I just didn't love.

• 40:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, the secret is just put on auto and it.

• 40:47Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, that.

• 40:47Matt Farah?

  But I didn't love that and there and and I didn't love, um. It it really didn't remember like my seat and steering wheel settings a few times.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  Oh, that's weird, really?

• 40:59Matt Farah?

  Good reason for it.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  That just sounds like a broken car.

• 41:02Matt Farah?

  It might have been a broken car. It might have been, you know, some interplay between the between, you know, Hannah drove it with the key and I drove it with the phone and I maybe.

• 41:12Speaker 00

  No, because like, like, for instance, today, we were, uh, uh, the reason I'm so out of it is we're cleaning out of storage space. So my wife and I were both in and out of the truck all morning and like I would get in the car and it would say Amy and then you just hit a dropdown, switch it to Johnny and it's fine. It goes seat and vents and everything.

• 41:27Matt Farah?

  I, yeah, when you have same with Cayenne, same with, you know, multiple users and that seat is probably not something that people will experience, but it is something I experience.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  Did you, did you go through again? And this is one of those things where like, you know, for car journalists, like I couldn't figure out the thing in one week, but owners are like, well, after six months, I know how everything works.

• 41:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:48Speaker 00

  Did you see that cool tutorial thing? Was that?

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  No.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  Oh, there, I will say, again, I, I went through it just because I was like filming it, but like they actually, the best I've seen, when you first get the car, it's like, welcome. And it walks you through everything and it's not in an annoying way where you need to enter codes and like, you know what I mean? Where it's like skip for now, come back.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  No, Porsche's is the worst.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  The worst.

• 42:09Matt Farah?

  You don't make a Porsche connect account, it'll fucking bother you until the end of time. Like, oh my god.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  This is just, I'm blanking on her name. She's, she's, uh,

• 42:18Matt Farah?

  Tanya?

• 42:18Speaker 00

  No, no, uh, with a D.

• 42:20Matt Farah?

  She loves, loves.

• 42:21Speaker 00

  No, no, no. Uh, it's a, it's a former, she used to work for Rivian, she went to Mercedes. She's from Sudan. Uh, D, uh, oh my god, she's gonna kill me. We're, I'm friends with her. Anyways, she wrote this and it's like a cool tutorial where it ju- it just, it's like, it's just really well programmed.

• 42:37Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 42:37Speaker 00

  It's like, oh, that's kind of cool.

• 42:38Matt Farah?

  Well, that's cool.

• 42:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:39Matt Farah?

  It's, I think.

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  I mean, I would hope that if you bought one, you know, they would spend the hour, you know, training you. And when they drop off the car, you know, frankly, they offer to do that kind of stuff and I usually just say, no, it's okay.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:55Matt Farah?

  Um, I, it, it, after a week, I'm usually pretty well versed in the stuff, whatever the car is, no matter if it's annoying or not annoying.

• 43:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  This one, I thought was a little less just intuitive than others and I found myself lost in it a couple of times.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  Huh, okay.

• 43:13Matt Farah?

  And, and that seat thing was weird, but I don't think it's something that a normal household with two users would normally experience.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  No, I doubt it unless, I mean, yeah.

• 43:23Matt Farah?

  In general, I thought it was one of the nicest appliance cars I've driven in, in the world of appliance cars.

• 43:29Speaker 00

  But it's weird that you call it an appliance because it's like, it really does handle well.

• 43:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's so many appliance cars handle well. The fucking Genesis GV6. Oh, that whole compared, that whole segment is so.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  So it's an appliance because it doesn't have a gas engine?

• 43:42Matt Farah?

  Well, it's not exciting. It's not, there's nothing about it that stirs my fucking soul. I would never choose to drive it dynamically ever. It's not, I, I can't say it's not an enthusiast purchase, but it's a fucking box. It's a box who screams.

• 43:57Speaker 00

  It's a little, yeah.

• 43:58Matt Farah?

  And you need a phone to start it. There's no, there's no sound, there's no excitement. It's very competent, but it's far from exciting. Not one person in this city stopped me to go, hey, is that the R2? Go for a week.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Well, because it looks just like the R1.

• 44:13Matt Farah?

  I was invisible. So, nobody cares. Nobody sees it. It's an egg. It just happens to be a good one.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  Okay, that's a, that's a, that's a take. I, I.

• 44:21Matt Farah?

  Who's buying this as their weekend fun car and not as their daily?

• 44:25Speaker 00

  Depending on what you're doing with it. If you're, you know, is it fun to go off road? Like, you know, it's,

• 44:29Matt Farah?

  I mean, I guess, but like, but, but to that degree, like, almost all SUVs are also appliance cars. They're just more rugged appliance cars.

• 44:38Speaker 00

  I just, it's, I wouldn't, I just, it's, again.

• 44:40Matt Farah?

  You personally offended because you own one of these?

• 44:42Speaker 00

  No, I don't have much, I don't have the, the, the quad motor, you know, maniac off roader. Like, I'm not, I, I don't, I would never, I'm not gonna buy an R2. Um, but I'm, I'm just, it's just, when I think of appliance car, I think of like a RAV4.

• 44:55Matt Farah?

  That's also an appliance car.

• 44:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's like, it can't, it, you can't like take it on a back, or you could take it on a back road, but it sucks.

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  Bronco Sport up Rower.

• 45:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, Bronco Sports are, I love Bronco Sports. That's a great little car.

• 45:07Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't want to like take this on a back road in that way. If I had to drive on a back road, like it would be fine, but I'm not like, ooh, I gotta go on a windy road.

• 45:16Speaker 00

  Well, it's pretty, I guess what I'm saying is, it's, I was surprised, again, on the 21s and how well that you could whip the thing around. I was just like, holy shit.

• 45:24Matt Farah?

  If I wanted a dynamic, uh, electric car for this money.

• 45:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  GV60 all day. All day. That's a much better driving car on the road.

• 45:34Speaker 00

  That would be an interesting comparison because again, again, tire dependent. Like you were saying, you're losing grip because of the off road tires. Put, again, on this thing on the 21s, the GV60s on, on sticky street tires.

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  Like make it not a, not an appliance to me.

• 45:49Speaker 00

  I just, I just think of appliances, there's noth- I think of appliances as like, there's nothing lovable. Like, and I, I, and like.

• 45:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that, yeah.

• 45:56Speaker 00

  Really?

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 00

  Huh.

• 45:58Matt Farah?

  This cars go, this car went back today. I will never think about it again.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  That's a weird take, man. Like, I, I was just, I was just blown away by like how competent it was. I was just like.

• 46:07Matt Farah?

  No, I thought it was nice, but I've blown away is not a term.

• 46:10Speaker 00

  Well, blown away by like, like, it's not a ton of money. It's, it's, it's, you know, yeah, you know what I mean?

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  But that's a crazy competitive segment. Think about how competitive that segment is.

• 46:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:20Matt Farah?

  From the Model Y to the Mach-E to the IONIQ5 and the Genesis.

• 46:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, again, yeah, no, it's all in there. But, but it's like, it's like, you know, they, they kept the price down. They got, they got all their brand values in there. They didn't, you're not really lacking anything except for like, you can't do the Rubicon in it, you know?

• 46:36Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  Um, and, uh, it, and again, and again, like, you know, if you, like, on the off road tires, it hits 16, like 3.3, it's like, or 3.4, it's like.

• 46:45Matt Farah?

  So what?

• 46:46Speaker 00

  Well, some people care about that, you know?

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  But why should they? Because how often are you doing that in your off road tire?

• 46:52Speaker 00

  I mean, how often do you do 0 to 16 in anything, you know?

• 46:54Matt Farah?

  Nothing, but nothing, but, but in a Hellcat.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:57Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 46:58Speaker 00

  Which is way slower.

• 46:59Matt Farah?

  No, no, I know, but I can feel that, that's not the point. The point I'm making is, in an electric car, there's no point in having it be super fast. Because if it's kind of fast, it's still super fast.

• 47:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  Whereas if you have a big V8 versus a crappy little Pentastar.

• 47:16Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  V6.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:17Matt Farah?

  Even if you're not using the horsepower, that glub, glub, glub, glub, that you feel that all the time. Whereas in an electric car, the Cayenne base, 400 horsepower, 402, versus the Cayenne Turbo.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:30Matt Farah?

  When I was driving it around at half throttle, that's the same thing. It doesn't, it talks to me the same way.

• 47:37Speaker 00

  I seriously, yeah, I guess, I guess I just don't need like the burble. Like, I understand, like, you know, it's like, the burble is.

• 47:43Matt Farah?

  Well, without the burble, I don't need all that power either.

• 47:47Speaker 00

  But, so you have to have the burble to enjoy the power?

• 47:50Matt Farah?

  No, with an electric car.

• 47:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:53Matt Farah?

  I'm saying I have the slowest Taycan.

• 47:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:55Matt Farah?

  400 horsepower, the slowest, softest.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  Very slow, yeah.

• 47:58Matt Farah?

  I've had it for almost two years. In that time, my foot has actually hit the floorboard maybe four or five times. And so there isn't a point to spending money on a much faster one because it doesn't sound different, it doesn't do anything different at the times I'm driving the normal speeds I'm driving.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  That's super anecdotal because like with my truck, I use the, all the power constantly. I mean, I'm, I'm constantly.

• 48:25Matt Farah?

  So when I am driving a 800 horsepower truck and my foot is on the floorboard.

• 48:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:30Matt Farah?

  I feel like I'm driving like a real asshole because I'm going so much faster than everything around me.

• 48:34Speaker 00

  Trying to get around like these RAV4s that are polluting everything, you know, like I'm trying.

• 48:39Matt Farah?

  That's a lot of power to be on, leashing on the street.

• 48:41Speaker 00

  It's, it's just over, I mean.

• 48:43Matt Farah?

  I'm glad you need that.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  I don't about need, but I enjoy, but I enjoy, but my point is I enjoy the hell out of it. I, I enjoy that a lot.

• 48:50Matt Farah?

  But, but having a lot of electric power.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:53Matt Farah?

  Doesn't make something to not an appliance to me.

• 48:56Speaker 00

  Oh, see, I disagree with that.

• 48:57Matt Farah?

  Okay, well, then we'll just have to disagree.

• 48:59Speaker 00

  Like, like, like the Sapphire, that's an appliance?

• 49:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 00

  That's wild. That's a wild take.

• 49:04Matt Farah?

  There's no passion to it.

• 49:06Speaker 00

  Oh my god, what?

• 49:07Matt Farah?

  It's fast.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  It also handles great.

• 49:10Matt Farah?

  And then, but then it's, but I.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  But what's wrong with fast and great handling? Why is that?

• 49:14Matt Farah?

  It doesn't talk back to me. It doesn't excite me. I haven't thought about it once since I gave it back.

• 49:20Speaker 00

  Really?

• 49:20Matt Farah?

  No, no.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  Wow, that's wild. I don't know. That's, that's, to me, that's very strange.

• 49:24Matt Farah?

  Beyond a certain point, going very fast is overrated to me.

• 49:28Speaker 00

  Uh, I would say like there's top speeds that I think are, I'm kind of done with, but like, I love acceleration.

• 49:34Matt Farah?

  I like it to a point.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:36Matt Farah?

  I like it to a point. Beyond a certain amount of power, I don't see the value.

• 49:39Speaker 00

  Huh, that's, that's a, I find that odd.

• 49:41Matt Farah?

  I mean, you, you know.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  And, and again, like this, I just, like the Sapphire, like we were running around with, uh, you know, 01X and a Zinger and a GTD and like, boy, that Sapphire, like not only held its own, but like, it's kind of more fun than the 01X, you know, in the corners. Like, it was, it was.

• 49:56Matt Farah?

  If you thought so, yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, not just me, lots of, you know, a whole bunch of people.

• 50:01Matt Farah?

  I didn't think that, but I, you know, okay. Because I don't think electric cars talk to me that way. They're not fun to me like that.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  Okay, huh.

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  My, I like electric cars to be, uh, my appliance and, and you know what? I'm like driving my fucking Manx or driving a stick shift car.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  I like that too. I have, I have a stick shift car.

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  So those are, those are my non-appliance.

• 50:21Speaker 00

  Fun, you know?

• 50:23Matt Farah?

  Well, that's, I, I, to me, the Rivian, all Rivians are appliances.

• 50:27Speaker 00

  That's wild.

• 50:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  I mean, again, I'm just thinking of the stuff I've done with Rivian. It's like, boy, it's like non like, you know, like a RAV4 would just like keel over and kill itself.

• 50:39Matt Farah?

  So it's a better appliance, but it's a

• 50:40Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, that's that's that's a crazy take.

• 50:44Matt Farah?

  No, I'm gonna stick with it. I'm I'm I'm

• 50:46Speaker 00

  Okay, I mean, I just it just because appliance is like there's a negative connotation to that. You know what I mean? Where you're saying like it's dismissive.

• 50:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, it's just it's a car that's that that makes compromises in in in its enthusiastic uh, uh, propensities in order to be useful every day as a tool, right?

• 51:08Speaker 00

  A tool is a much better definition than

• 51:10Matt Farah?

  Fucking SUV like what's that's what's so special about it?

• 51:13Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, like, you know, I well, in his Grenadier, is that an appliance?

• 51:18Matt Farah?

  Uh, well, I would say that it's limitations at being a good appliance make it a better enthusiast car like it's a bad road car. Because it's a better off-road car.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  And having to make that sacrifice to me would make it more of an enthusiast car. Yeah.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  Okay, but like, so it's worse therefore it's an enthusiast car?

• 51:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, the easier you make things, the easier you make speed, the easier you make handling, the more you remove the driver from it, the more appliance like it gets. Yeah.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  But I don't I'm trying to think I'm trying to think what's being but what's being removed like like driving and again, I will go back to the uh, the R2 like how are you removing the driver from the equation?

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  Well, I don't have to use the brake pedal ever. So there's there's one

• 52:04Speaker 00

  Okay, I mean, okay.

• 52:05Matt Farah?

  It has hands-free shit.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  But this is like saying like if it's but this is like

• 52:09Matt Farah?

  Noise.

• 52:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, but this is like saying if if you don't have a manual, it can't be in it's an appliance.

• 52:14Matt Farah?

  Less of an enthusiast. Yeah, it moves. It's it's not. There isn't some hard line I have.

• 52:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  Where on this side of it, every car and on this side like but there's a sliding scale where a car goes from enthusiast car

• 52:26Speaker 00

  But you're saying all EVs are appliances?

• 52:29Matt Farah?

  The vast majority.

• 52:30Speaker 00

  Which is what's an EV that's not an appliance?

• 52:32Matt Farah?

  I mean, you could argue the Ramaz Navara is not an appliance.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:36Matt Farah?

  Argument that that isn't sure.

• 52:37Speaker 00

  Okay, because?

• 52:39Matt Farah?

  Well, because it's incredibly practically limiting in in in pursuit of a speed goal.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  Okay, but

• 52:46Matt Farah?

  I drove it. I thought it was amazingly boring.

• 52:50Speaker 00

  I do remember that.

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  I told Monte that.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:52Matt Farah?

  And I told a fucking, oh, my God, Miro that. I said, this is a boring car unless you are doing something that is so deeply antisocial.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I mean, that's

• 53:07Matt Farah?

  Well, guess what? The market's spoken because nobody fucking wants them.

• 53:10Speaker 00

  Nobody wants but again, but a Veyron is the same or, you know, Chiron like, you know, it's

• 53:14Matt Farah?

  Chiron has a 16 cylinder gas engine.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's but it's like it it it sounds it makes no noise. It's just like turbo induction noise unless you're doing something equally crazy.

• 53:24Matt Farah?

  Chiron is less enthusiastic than a Carrera GT. If you want to put it on the sliding, we can make a sliding, you know, like the

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Sure, yeah.

• 53:32Matt Farah?

  Times Magazine does.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would argue that too. I would. I I nothing wrong with that statement. I'm just saying like I how is how is trying to think like how would uh, the Navara or I'm thinking of the the Batista be more boring at low speeds than a Veyron, which is like a Golf at low speeds?

• 53:50Matt Farah?

  At least at at least in the Veyron.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:54Matt Farah?

  You get to change gear. You get to hear a very unique engine sound that you can only hear when driving a Veyron or a Chiron.

• 54:01Speaker 00

  Sure, but but again, like at at non-illegal speeds.

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  I agree that driving a Veyron and a Chiron at non-legal speeds is not desirable, but it is a unique experience, whereas driving a Navara at 35 miles an hour is incredibly similar to a Taycan or a Tesla or an everything.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, that's that's yeah, that's fair.

• 54:21Matt Farah?

  So so it's it's much more likely that an electric car will feel appliance-like. That's my

• 54:28Speaker 00

  I just I just so it's just weird to me because I would never just think of the Navara or the Batista as like appliances. I mean, they're

• 54:34Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't

• 54:35Speaker 00

  They're overpriced. They priced them wrong.

• 54:37Matt Farah?

  Put those cars in appliance.

• 54:39Speaker 00

  Besides, though, there's no other EV that's not an appliance. It's according to you?

• 54:44Matt Farah?

  Like, there's no EV that wouldn't fit the role of appliance in my life. I there's no EV on the market at any price that I would buy to use as a weekend car. Any EV up to a Sapphire and a Taycan Turbo GT Y-Sock

• 54:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:59Matt Farah?

  Would be my daily among a collection of more exciting cars for the weekend.

• 55:06Speaker 00

  Uh, fair, but what I'm saying, but you could you could see that like somebody who's like, well, I need like, you know, an SUV for whatever reason they convince. I don't think anyone needs an SUV, but yeah, I need an SUV, but like you could have fun driving this thing sportily.

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  Yes, you can.

• 55:22Speaker 00

  So but like to to just make this statement that like it's it's it's an appliance because you can afford a boxer spider like

• 55:29Matt Farah?

  Somebody came to me and and wanted a car, five-seat SUV or crossover.

• 55:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:36Matt Farah?

  For purposes of hauling four or five people and some stuff

• 55:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  On the road with dynamic excitement, the R2 is not what I would recommend.

• 55:45Speaker 00

  What would you recommend?

• 55:46Matt Farah?

  GV60.

• 55:47Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, fair. I mean, GV60 is pretty good. I I would I would say try the R2 with the the 21s because I yeah, because I think the R2 actually does drive better, but

• 55:57Matt Farah?

  It wasn't bad.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  No, I I I know it's not bad. It's

• 56:01Matt Farah?

  It's not. It's very competent and comfortable.

• 56:03Speaker 00

  No, I it just it just didn't strike me as an appliance. I was just like, I was like, wow, this thing is fucking impressive for 60 grand. I was impressed.

• 56:10Matt Farah?

  Can be impressive and also be an appliance.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, but appliance is just it's just such like a dismissive, negative like, you know, and like, I don't know. It's just it's it's weird to me.

• 56:18Matt Farah?

  All right, well, let's find out. If you're in the audience, if you're gonna buy an R2 as your weekend enthusiast car and have a daily

• 56:24Speaker 00

  Again, no one's buying as a it no one it's not a, you know, it's not a sports car. I'm not saying it's a sports car, but I'm saying that like it's it's just an appliance. It's just like, again, I just find it like

• 56:37Speaker 00

  weirdly negative, a negative descriptor.

• 56:41Matt Farah?

  I found that the, you know,

• 56:46Matt Farah?

  yeah, it felt it it it it was a nice car that I liked using for everyday stuff.

• 56:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:51Matt Farah?

  Wouldn't be my choice for dynamics. It it and it wouldn't be my choice for

• 56:55Speaker 00

  I mean, it wouldn't be my choice, but if you're gonna buy again, but GV60 is your choice for if you need an SUV that handles well, but like, but like boy, if you need this one also does that.

• 57:05Matt Farah?

  I'm not. I'm not like not recommending it. Like, it's a nice car. In fact, I I do. I would recommend it to people.

• 57:11Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah. I would. It's just a weird like I I just think of appliance. I just think of something that like

• 57:16Matt Farah?

  You're a little touched by appliance and you and I'm not. I'm not. I don't mean that word as negatively as you think I mean that word.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  I just it just sounds like it's just I wouldn't. I just again with the the combination of like what it can do in terms of handling, how actually how nice it is. And also like what it can do off-road. It's just like I don't doesn't strike me as appliance. It's something. It's something extra.

• 57:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, I'm gonna disagree with you. I think it's nice, though.

• 57:39Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 57:40Matt Farah?

  I would. I I would recommend it. It was a nice car. The only thing I don't like about it dynamically, actually, and and the R1 did this also is when you hit a hard-edged of a crack or maybe a pothole or a speed bump while braking, particularly braking under regen, it skips and shudders at the front end.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, fair.

• 58:04Matt Farah?

  You experienced that?

• 58:05Speaker 00

  Uh, not in the R2, but uh, the R1. Let me think about that for a second. Yeah.

• 58:11Matt Farah?

  Doesn't love it. But like

• 58:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:13Matt Farah?

  Other than that, it drove nice.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I would. I would. If if there really is that much of a difference with the 21s, I will

• 58:20Speaker 00

  I mean, it's just it it it just

• 58:22Matt Farah?

  It's sharper, I'm sure.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  You because it comes on PS5s, you know, it's on like really good tires and it

• 58:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, tires go along with it.

• 58:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, so.

• 58:30Matt Farah?

  All right, well, let's talk about something that is most certainly uh, an enthusiast car.

• 58:36Speaker 00

  Okay, what's that? Oh, the Eccentrica.

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  The Eccentrica.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Eccentrica, yes.

• 58:42Matt Farah?

  What have I done? Hang on. I have to find. I have to. I, you know.

• 58:46Speaker 00

  What have you done?

• 58:47Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, it's okay. It's okay.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, so this is the V12 coupe.

• 58:52Matt Farah?

  It is okay because here we go. Oh, Jesus, what have I done? Oh, no. Sorry.

• 58:58Speaker 00

  Zach, we need you.

• 58:59Matt Farah?

  Why, we do. You think I don't need that motherfucker?

• 59:01Speaker 00

  I I know you need that motherfucker.

• 59:03Matt Farah?

  Uh, there it is.

• 59:04Speaker 00

  There she is.

• 59:05Matt Farah?

  Here we go.

• 59:05Speaker 00

  All right.

• 59:06Matt Farah?

  The Eccentrica. This is a 1991 Lamborghini Diablo that has been restomodded by a company called Eccentrica uh, in Italy. It has a carbon fiber body that has been redesigned. It has a pretty kind of crazy

• 59:28Speaker 00

  The key is very cool.

• 59:29Matt Farah?

  The key looks like a model rocket.

• 59:31Speaker 00

  Or a dart.

• 59:32Matt Farah?

  A dart. Yeah, a bit of a dart. Yeah. Um, it's got knurled knobs and new buttons on the interior. And uh, it's got some interesting styling cues. Uh, you can you could come up with uh, your own judgments on how they look, but uh, uh, sorry, the steering wheel is upside down in this photograph, but normally it wouldn't be.

• 59:54Speaker 00

  And they did some cool stuff like uh, in all Diablos in 91 were five speeds. This is a six-speed. It has electric reverse. The engine, it's still a 5.7 liter V12. They replaced a ton of internals and now it makes like 50 more horsepower. I forget if it's 550 or 575, but it makes like almost Diablo GT power. Um, and you know, they upgraded the steering, the brakes are still doesn't have ABS, but the brakes are better than I don't know how much time you spent in 91 Diablos.

• 1:00:24Matt Farah?

  A a good amount, actually.

• 1:00:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, and they have terrible brakes.

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  They're not great, you know. Um, most they're they're basically Countach brakes.

• 1:00:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. And and yeah, so what the Eccentrica is doing is the 91 to 94 Diablos are pretty weak sauce in terms of dynamics compared to other stuff. And so they're doing, what is it, 19? I think 19 coupes and 19 roadsters, which they're making out of coupes. Um, and yeah, that's the first 38 cars they're doing and

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  Do you have a go?

• 1:00:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Matt Farah?

  Um, what did you think?

• 1:00:56Speaker 00

  What did I think? I thought it was way better than a 91 Diablo. I thought it was not nearly as good as a Diablo GT. And I know Diablo GTs now cost about 1.2 million or whatever they they cost. I would be looking for a Diablo GT. I thought they did a nice job. I just think the price point is like extreme.

• 1:01:17Matt Farah?

  So

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  Is what I thought. Oh, and one more thing?

• 1:01:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  This is a prototype and I think it's a little rougher than uh, the customer cars will be.

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  So I had some issues um with my drop my experience with this car um. First off, regardless of what you what you think about the looks and people can like them or not like them and and I'm not gonna judge. Do I like them? Not particularly. Um but but but I that doesn't matter if you I like the interior.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  I love I love I love the dash.

• 1:01:51Matt Farah?

  I like the interior more than I like the exterior and I like the rear of the car more than I like the front.

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  The rear is great.

• 1:01:57Matt Farah?

  The rear I think is better than the front.

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:01:58Matt Farah?

  Okay, that notwithstanding, if you like it, you like it. I'm not going to judge. I don't care. Um the so what the you mentioned it briefly, the reverse gear. They the the they come as a five speed. In order to make it a six speed, you they don't change the gearbox. They can't. A bigger one won't fit.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:02:19Matt Farah?

  So they take out reverse and they use that space physically in the gearbox to make it.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  A six speed, right.

• 1:02:27Matt Farah?

  They then have an electronic output reversal kind of thing. It's actually incredibly similar to what Richard Tot Hill uses in the nine eleven K, except he uses a manual lever. With respect to Richard Tot Hill, in both cases, this is a terrible system. Okay, we've had two nine eleven Ks here.

• 1:02:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Matt Farah?

  And I have ordered my staff to never start or drive them. Because if you mess the process of putting them in reverse is insane. If you mess it up, you blow the gearbox a hundred thousand dollars.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Can I stop you right there?

• 1:02:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  I didn't put it in reverse.

• 1:03:00Matt Farah?

  Okay, I was told it was intermittently not working.

• 1:03:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:03:04Matt Farah?

  When I got there, it didn't work at all. So I had no reverse. Is it a prototype? Sure, but like. Okay. Also, I have I have a problem as you actually I'm I'm I'm I'm not surprised, but I'm I'm impressed and pleasantly surprised that you brought it up. Where you positioned this car as is it improving in ninety one? Is it not as I would argue it's not even as good as a six oh, forget a GT. Okay, uh and so that is really a problem, which is you're taking the ninety ones. And and making them, let's call it not as good, but close to as good as a GT. I think it's not nearly as good.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  I think with the GT real quick, I think is like the most underrated car.

• 1:03:50Matt Farah?

  But if you drive a six oh, they're lovely.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  They're good. They're good. I really I really like it. I would I would love to not have the prototype. I'd love to get a customer. Example that that you know, this has done a lot of miles. I was I drove it around with Regioni. He was kind of explaining the car. I would love to see like an actual production one versus a six oh. I think that'd be interesting.

• 1:04:09Matt Farah?

  Reverse, I had no reverse.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  I had to Fred Flintstone it a couple of times. Also, it overheated five times in a row on me.

• 1:04:18Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  Which in my opinion is inexcusable.

• 1:04:21Speaker 00

  That's totally inexcusable.

• 1:04:22Matt Farah?

  And the excuse they made for it overheating as a Countach owner.

• 1:04:26Speaker 00

  It's hot in LA.

• 1:04:26Matt Farah?

  Incredibly insulting.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  Oh, what was it?

• 1:04:28Matt Farah?

  We drove it around down uh through Beverly Hills a little bit before coming to meet you.

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  And that's why it overheated?

• 1:04:34Matt Farah?

  That's why it overheated.

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  Cars can't overheat. It's two thousand twenty six.

• 1:04:37Matt Farah?

  And look, I met them at the base of Big Tahunga.

• 1:04:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:40Matt Farah?

  It overheated a mile before the dam overlooked.

• 1:04:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, that's not.

• 1:04:44Matt Farah?

  That's a fucking no go.

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  I so I think so I don't I've seen this happen with other resto modded type things and I I'm not saying this is why I did it. A lot of times they don't put any elevation into the Motec and so they don't adjust like oxygen levels.

• 1:05:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  And uh and yeah, cuz I drove it um pretty hard, not not wild, but you know, I was I was gunning it. Uh Karma Valley, which is it was, you know, not cool, but it was, you know, it was like eighty degrees. Um straight line stuff mostly and it was strong. I thought I thought my one, I told Regioni, second gear is a little cockamamie. They could really like re-gear that cuz.

• 1:05:24Matt Farah?

  The ratios weren't quite right either.

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Second gear was like if you did if you weren't flooring it, it was buck at like, you know, so.

• 1:05:32Matt Farah?

  They weren't quite matched.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that sucks. I mean, cars shouldn't overheat in two thousand twenty six. There's kind of no excuse.

• 1:05:39Matt Farah?

  Super inexcusable if you ask me.

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:41Matt Farah?

  And and and look, and also they put power steering on a ninety one rack. But they didn't change the ratio. You and I both drove the Evoluto. Didn't you? You drive the Evoluto?

• 1:05:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, what a change.

• 1:05:55Matt Farah?

  The Evoluto, although I don't disagree with a hundred percent of their aesthetic decisions mechanically.

• 1:06:01Speaker 00

  Dude.

• 1:06:02Matt Farah?

  Like no notes.

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  Dude, they went from three point five turns lock to lock to two.

• 1:06:06Matt Farah?

  They made it steer properly.

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  It's it's so funny. So when I drove it, my buddy showed up with his three five five Spider and I got to drive them back to back.

• 1:06:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:15Speaker 00

  Uh again, beautiful three five fives are rad, but you drive it back to back and it's like. Wow, this is a this is like a time capsule to how bad cars used to be.

• 1:06:23Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:06:24Speaker 00

  Supercars really weren't that super. They just went fast in a straight line.

• 1:06:27Matt Farah?

  I brought a three five five stock as well.

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah.

• 1:06:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  Same, right?

• 1:06:31Matt Farah?

  Uh what I I was like, oh, I'd love to have a three five five for a seven tenths cruiser.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 1:06:37Matt Farah?

  You know, I would not wanna hammer it.

• 1:06:39Speaker 00

  That's your weekend car. Let's go to Ventura.

• 1:06:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:42Speaker 00

  Put the top down, look at the ocean.

• 1:06:44Matt Farah?

  It was lovely. It was soft. It was wonderful.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  Beautiful. But you agree that like as a quote unquote supercar, it's not so super.

• 1:06:49Matt Farah?

  It doesn't hold up.

• 1:06:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:51Matt Farah?

  But but but so in the steering is what really, really made that car more, in my opinion, than anything else.

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  Agreed, agreed, agreed.

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  The ratio is still three point whatever.

• 1:07:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  But now it's got this nineties power.

• 1:07:05Speaker 00

  So you know where I drove it. Karma Valley Roadster was mostly straight and and I will say the two kind of little turns like I was like.

• 1:07:12Matt Farah?

  Uh, the steering's not very good.

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay, they gotta work on that, yeah.

• 1:07:16Matt Farah?

  And so, look, it it it it's is the idea of a resto modded early Diablo. For me, like, no, because I'm recommend I I think if you have enough money for this, you should just get a GT and put miles on that. Or get a six oh and put miles on that.

• 1:07:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, I do. I just but but what do you do? I don't know what do you do, but like, you know, if you have a ninety one or ninety two, cuz they're. Like, even Regioni, he was telling me when he when he got to, you know, he left uh Bugatti. He would he did the EB one ten. He was the third employee at Bugatti. And that was a carbon fiber monocoque, stiff. You know, then he said he went to Lamborghini and he drove in ninety. Yeah, and he was just he was he told me, he's like, Johnny, like, I was I was so shocked by like how how bendy the car was, like. And then he's like, that's when I came up with the idea of the GT. It was like, we have to fix a lot of things. And what's crazy is, you know, he's he's sort of like, you know, I don't wanna say the mascot, but he's, you know, he's doing what he can, but.

• 1:08:15Speaker 00

  A lot of the car was the eccentric was done before he showed up. He changed the steering on the GT.

• 1:08:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Speaker 00

  He changed it to and uh like that people forget that Diablo GT came up before the GT three. Like he was doing GT three stuff a year before like Porsche was. And the steering is magical and and he.

• 1:08:34Matt Farah?

  I drove Temerian's a couple of years ago. It was great.

• 1:08:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, I I might have been the I didn't drive his. I drove my friend Johnny had one here that he just he bought from John and then sold back to John.

• 1:08:44Matt Farah?

  It was orange. I don't know if it was.

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  No, no, this is a dark blue one, but like, what an amazing achievement.

• 1:08:50Matt Farah?

  It was fabulous. And so.

• 1:08:51Speaker 00

  That's what they should have done.

• 1:08:52Matt Farah?

  These things, they're the these are a million three euros.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  Oh, I thought it was one, two euro. It's a million three euro.

• 1:08:59Matt Farah?

  Million three euro.

• 1:08:59Speaker 00

  So it's one, five, one, six.

• 1:09:01Matt Farah?

  Huge amount, dude. And you're competing with the real big boys at that point.

• 1:09:06Speaker 00

  Singers and Gunther's.

• 1:09:07Matt Farah?

  Singers at that point. Dude, you you you can't have an overheated car with bad steering, bro. You just can't.

• 1:09:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, and also no ABS.

• 1:09:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like and and so anyway, uh in my opinion, if you've got a whole bunch of money on a Diablo. Lamborghini made better Diablo's than this. Just buy one of them, dude.

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  That's I there there's something about the the again, this color, I don't think does any favors. They they had a green one.

• 1:09:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I saw a lime green.

• 1:09:34Speaker 00

  And that was really nice looking. Um I do love the interior. I just I guess I guess what I'm saying is I don't disagree with anything you said. I just wonder how beat this car was and if like. If the customer cars are gonna be as kind of beaten as the prototype is.

• 1:09:48Matt Farah?

  Well.

• 1:09:48Speaker 00

  I'd be curious to drive one.

• 1:09:50Matt Farah?

  They they were pretty. Look, when I I everything I just said to you, I said to them.

• 1:09:56Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:56Matt Farah?

  I don't like to surprise people.

• 1:09:58Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, trust me. They they called me to ask me like, what what what did we do to Matt?

• 1:10:02Matt Farah?

  And they, yeah, no, they weren't happy to hear my criticism.

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:05Matt Farah?

  I don't know if it was cuz they were at Car Week all week and people were blowing smoke up their ass and and and and.

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  People were blowing smoke up their ass. I I saw a mutual friend of ours get out of the car and go like, that was fantastic.

• 1:10:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so I've driven enough Diablo's. I was not impressed, I'm sorry to say. And and and it's not that I think the car or the company is hopeless. I think they could make improvements. I think they could bring us a better car to drive than this one.

• 1:10:31Speaker 00

  They have Regioni who did the Diablo GT.

• 1:10:34Matt Farah?

  I trust that guy. I know Regioni.

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:36Matt Farah?

  He's a lovely guy. He's very smart.

• 1:10:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:38Matt Farah?

  I trust he knows what he's doing.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Matt Farah?

  But this wasn't it, man. This one just wasn't it.

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  Can I break can I break some news, though?

• 1:10:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Speaker 00

  This'll be fun. So this car is called the V twelve coupe and they're making the V twelve roadster. You know what the next car is called?

• 1:10:51Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 1:10:51Speaker 00

  The V ten coupe.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  What does that mean? They're doing a fucking they're rebooting a her a Gallardo?

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, early early Gallardo's. Well, I mean, you remember the early Gallardo's.

• 1:11:04Matt Farah?

  Well, you you couldn't give me an oh four.

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  That's.

• 1:11:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, I was there, huh, baby?

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  No, no, so that's okay. So you understand their business model.

• 1:11:18Speaker 00

  You're the perfect customer. Matt, take this free Guyardo.

• 1:11:22Matt Farah?

  I was, dude, you got it. You get me and Rob Ferretti, couple of drinks, and we talk about the year that all of our O4s exploded. We had four O4 Guyardos. Right. And they were all such pieces of shit.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  So now you understand. So they might make more than 19. And again.

• 1:11:42Matt Farah?

  So funny. They may make 1900 of them.

• 1:11:44Speaker 00

  By the way, no one, no one at a Chentrica told me this, but I kept saying, so like, what do you, you're making 38 cars? Like, that doesn't seem like a business to me. It's like a nice project, but you, you're gonna keep going once these are built. And I said, and I said, and they, they wouldn't say anything. So I was like, it's like V12, V10 coupe.

• 1:12:06Matt Farah?

  V10 coupe.

• 1:12:06Speaker 00

  And they all sort of like this, like smile, like, no comment, you know? Well, I could talk about the Trail Seeker.

• 1:12:13Matt Farah?

  Is that what you're, is that what you're on?

• 1:12:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, it's, uh, it rides very well and it's very, very, it has balls. It's a very.

• 1:12:21Matt Farah?

  What kind of balls?

• 1:12:22Speaker 00

  Subaru balls. Like, like it just, it's just very powerful.

• 1:12:25Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:12:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, weirdly. Like, uh, like, again, what, what do you do when you remove a 2.4 liter NA motor and add two electric motors? You get balls, you know? So it's just, it's just a fast thing.

• 1:12:37Matt Farah?

  Let us go to the Patreon. Of course, if you want to watch the live stream, normally, when we have a Zach, I'm sorry, I can only do so many things at a time. If you want to watch the live stream, get the show early, get the show without ads, get extra show and get exclusive access to merch collabs and things that we do here at the Smoking Tire, patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast is where you do it. We have affordable plans at multiple price tiers and you also get preferential treatment, uh, early access to tickets for our upcoming series of live shows. Um, yes, and most importantly, you can ask us questions for the show, which we will get to right now.

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  Spencer says, strip of, strip of tint on the front windshield to match the sides, yes or no? That's a hard no from me.

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  Hard no. Uh, to me, I was, it was funny. My, my son was asking me, why do police pull you over? So I was going through all the reasons and then I said, and also, like, you know, if you're missing your tags, whatever, a lot of people tint their front windshield, which I think should be illegal. And he, and he's like, yeah, well, but he's like, why? And I go, it's, it's the dumbest thing you can do. It's, it's just literally, you just want visibility. I, I was, my, my wife's coworker got her mom's X5 and I think it was like an ex-Florida car and it was so tinted, like could not see out of it at night and like was trying to make a left, I had to put the window down and then looked at, it was insane. It was insane.

• 1:14:08Matt Farah?

  Back in the day when I had my Hummer and I got it tinted. I didn't do the windshield, but I did the other windows so dark.

• 1:14:15Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Oh, the front?

• 1:14:16Matt Farah?

  The, the, the sides.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:18Matt Farah?

  That I literally would have to put the windows down in order. It was, I was an idiot.

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that was, I was, yeah. So don't do that. Don't do the, although to be fair, my Corolla, the shop was like, please, please let us tint the side like 10%. And I, I regret it. It does nothing and I don't think it looks any better.

• 1:14:34Matt Farah?

  I do, I match my front two to my rears with sometimes, which is like the 20%, but I don't do the windshield. No.

• 1:14:39Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:14:40Matt Farah?

  Uh, oh man, Jeremy Clarkson spoke in class today. Lost a buddy on a motorcycle accident. Please, uh, wanted to send a reminder to look out for bikes and pour one out for Dino. Terrible news. Look out for bikes. Check your mirrors. Don't cross the fucking carpool lane in Los Angeles if you're in a car.

• 1:14:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. And that's, and also like, you know, the good thing is most bikes still make a lot of noise. So listen, cause that's, that's what I do.

• 1:15:03Matt Farah?

  You showed up late, so we're talking about boats, says, which automaker boat collab would you like to see?

• 1:15:10Speaker 00

  Well, I, I mean.

• 1:15:11Matt Farah?

  I miss the Corvette Malibus. Corvette Malibus were sweet.

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  I was gonna say Lamborghini with like the 7.2 liter V12 outboards.

• 1:15:19Matt Farah?

  So there is a Lamborghini boat collab.

• 1:15:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Is it current?

• 1:15:24Matt Farah?

  It's, uh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:25Speaker 00

  Oh, no, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

• 1:15:27Matt Farah?

  It's called a Technomar 63, famously, uh, owned by one Conor McGregor.

• 1:15:35Speaker 00

  Oh, well, he's a piece of shit.

• 1:15:38Matt Farah?

  And it's got, he is a shit. He is a piece of shit. But as you can see, the Technomar, uh, 63.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  That's some good horsepower. Yeah.

• 1:15:45Matt Farah?

  It's a lot of horsepower and it, it has very, um, like Lambo.

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:15:52Matt Farah?

  Styling details.

• 1:15:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. No, I saw like the seats and stuff and the, the cowl or whatever.

• 1:15:59Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's got like an Aventador steering wheel.

• 1:16:01Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 1:16:02Matt Farah?

  Um.

• 1:16:03Speaker 00

  Cool.

• 1:16:04Matt Farah?

  And, uh, yeah, look at this. This is a real, it's a real Lambo cockpit in that.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  Okay. That's, I mean, that's, it's, it's, owner and all was standing. That's, that's pretty cool.

• 1:16:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. In general, like I don't hate it. So I would like to see, I'd like to see a cigarette boat, King Ranch. The King Ranch leather on the whole thing.

• 1:16:28Speaker 00

  How about that new Bugatti, Bugatti, Bugatti, the V18, uh, in the, uh, in, in a boat?

• 1:16:36Matt Farah?

  That's, I think, I think in order to really have a good boat collab, you do, you should be using the car engines.

• 1:16:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:43Matt Farah?

  That is how it's done.

• 1:16:44Speaker 00

  So that, you know, that Lamborghini marine motor, 7.2 liter V12, it was like an embiggened Countach motor essentially. And I forget how many, but some of the LMO2s, they were called LMO2 Americas and they got the 7.2 liter. Yeah. Which is rad.

• 1:17:02Matt Farah?

  You drove one, right?

• 1:17:03Speaker 00

  I never drove a 7.2. I've driven a lot of LMO2. I've driven over 1% of all LMO2s.

• 1:17:08Matt Farah?

  Only driven one.

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. I've driven five.

• 1:17:10Matt Farah?

  The one I drove worked okay though, which I thought was nice.

• 1:17:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, they're, they're the coolest. The, the best, you know, Damian, uh, who's probably rebuilding your Countach.

• 1:17:18Matt Farah?

  Working on my car? Yeah.

• 1:17:20Speaker 00

  So he had one sitting in front of his shop and I went to his shop twice and I'm like, we gotta take it out. He's like, I don't know, man. That thing hasn't been started in years. I'm like, get it going. You're a mechanic. And so we got it going and I was with him and, you know, Paul Rivera, Jr. And, um, the dude had, uh, original tires. So like tires from like 89 or whenever, you know, 91. And it was raining, uh, in Van Nuys and I was driving that thing. And I didn't mean to, but it was just literally drifting everywhere.

• 1:17:46Matt Farah?

  It was on like skateboard wheels.

• 1:17:48Speaker 00

  It was so fun. Yeah. The hardest rubber that was just super cracked.

• 1:17:51Matt Farah?

  Stacy Peralta shit.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  It was great. It was great.

• 1:17:54Matt Farah?

  Good times.

• 1:17:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Christian Hesoy, Hesoy Rockets, let's say.

• 1:17:57Matt Farah?

  Uh, Song For The Dead Pedal says, uh, I'm completing my engineering.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  That's a really good name. That's good.

• 1:18:03Matt Farah?

  Uh, compete, I'm completing my electrical engineering degree at Georgia Tech. I'm 32 years old. Uh, I want another automatic watch as a graduation present. I already have a Seiko I wear daily. What are your recommendations, uh, to balance owning two automatic watches on a budget?

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  Well, uh, you're, you're Canyon. Uh, how much, is the price stayed about the same?

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  There, well, we, we've sold out of them. We're not selling them anymore. One sold for 2,700 on eBay.

• 1:18:32Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:18:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Mint one.

• 1:18:33Speaker 00

  Oh, really? Wow. I have a mint one.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  Two X on the flip, baby.

• 1:18:37Speaker 00

  That's.

• 1:18:37Matt Farah?

  Uh, the, the, um, the Canyon two is coming out next year, as is our dive watch. You've got your Sheffield collabs. Um.

• 1:18:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I, I, Sheffield only makes a couple of automatics. Um, but I, again, not to blow smoke, but like I get more comments on that mint Canyon.

• 1:18:56Matt Farah?

  The mint dial does it.

• 1:18:57Speaker 00

  And, uh, it, yeah, it's, it's, but like weird, like I said, I've told this story, but I bought it cause Matt's my friend. I want to help support him. And I thought I put it in a safe. I flipped it on eBay eventually and then I put it on.

• 1:19:08Matt Farah?

  This is the year.

• 1:19:09Speaker 00

  And, no, I'm keeping it. I actually, I, I, I wore that to Pebble. I got a lot of good use out of it. It's a, it's a terrific watch. So yeah, maybe one of those. If you already have two Sekos.

• 1:19:21Matt Farah?

  He's got one Seiko.

• 1:19:22Speaker 00

  Oh, one Seiko.

• 1:19:23Matt Farah?

  One. I, I, dude, if you can swing it, a used grand Seiko, like spring drive.

• 1:19:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:29Matt Farah?

  Uh, is a great move.

• 1:19:30Speaker 00

  Great. Um.

• 1:19:31Matt Farah?

  And electrical engineering degree, you could go with like, you could save up for a Milgaus.

• 1:19:36Speaker 00

  If you have small wrists.

• 1:19:38Matt Farah?

  Resistance.

• 1:19:39Speaker 00

  If you have small wrists, that's a small wrist. What about, what about, just like a Zenith?

• 1:19:45Matt Farah?

  Zenith?

• 1:19:45Speaker 00

  Like, cause that's.

• 1:19:46Matt Farah?

  El Primero?

• 1:19:47Speaker 00

  El Primero, what's the price point of those? Like eight? Those are kind of pricey.

• 1:19:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Use maybe a little less.

• 1:19:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Use, uh, you can get Porsche Design watches till the cows come home. Also you, my Porsche Design Chrono, uh, it was 9,000. It's yours for 3,500. Standing offer.

• 1:20:04Matt Farah?

  So if the Seiko is every day, you either want a special occasion watch. So maybe you want it to be a little dressier, uh, or a little more baller. Um, man, I'm I think dude, if you can find a nice used a used GS, I think is probably.

• 1:20:19Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, those are great. Um, I'm just trying to think, man, there's so many.

• 1:20:24Matt Farah?

  So many watches from like two to five thousand dollars to.

• 1:20:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, go on chrono twenty four and just hunt around. I mean, honestly, you can find like Panerai's, the low end will be like four or five.

• 1:20:34Matt Farah?

  I bought a fucking a a radio mirror forty five for twenty two hundred dollars.

• 1:20:38Speaker 00

  When?

• 1:20:39Matt Farah?

  Like a year ago on eBay authenticated.

• 1:20:41Speaker 00

  So not a luminor, but okay.

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  No, no, radio mirror.

• 1:20:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, radio mirror. I I'm a luminor guy, but yeah, radio mirrors are cool.

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  The radio mirrors are a little thinner.

• 1:20:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it's got the wild ass crown. Yeah.

• 1:20:50Matt Farah?

  This is the, this was the Anthony Bourdain watch, so I'm a fucking douche like that. It was the one I want, I was gonna buy his.

• 1:20:56Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:20:57Matt Farah?

  Cat bailed out of the auction and I should have actually just fucking stayed in.

• 1:21:01Speaker 00

  You should have stayed in, yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:02Matt Farah?

  Stupid. Uh, F one kill switch engaged.

• 1:21:06Speaker 00

  That's good, too. Kill switch engaged is a great band, by the way.

• 1:21:09Matt Farah?

  Owners manuals. Is it time to remove owners manuals from vehicles and provide a QR code or similar? Uh, so to help ensure the most up to date recommendations are available, not to mention glove box space savings.

• 1:21:22Speaker 00

  I mean, sure.

• 1:21:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, I, a lot of cars that have a screen now have a digital owner's manual in the screen.

• 1:21:30Speaker 00

  Like the, my, my R one doesn't even have a glove box, so it just has like a, it's in the uh, settings or something. There's an owner's manual there and I think most people just search for everything on chat G P T anyway, so.

• 1:21:41Matt Farah?

  I I would like a quick reference guide in the car and then I could do an owner's manual in full digitally.

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I tend to, I tend to take owner's manuals out of cars and put them in the garage where then they quickly get eaten by a rat and go in the trash. So, yeah, we don't eat them.

• 1:21:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, listen and sometimes watch says, uh, okay, hang on a second. Oh, wait. Okay, this one's a lot of words, so hang on. In my part of Virginia, vehicles are subject to an annual five point two percent personal property tax based on the N A D A value.

• 1:22:13Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:22:14Matt Farah?

  This disproportionately affects enthusiasts owning modern sports cars, but it also creates arbitrage on cult classics where real world market values outpace standard book depreciation, I E G. A C T S V wagon assessed at just twenty five thousand bucks. What other fun engaging cars might have a big gap between their N A D A assessment and actual market price? Dude, so many.

• 1:22:40Speaker 00

  Everything.

• 1:22:40Matt Farah?

  Almost everything.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  Everything.

• 1:22:42Matt Farah?

  Dude, I bet like a twenty, I bet like a, like a, a twenty twelve Carrera S with a stick. Is like twenty five thousand bucks on fucking N A D A and fifty five on Bring a Trailer.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, I'm thinking, I was actually, that's, it's funny where my mind went to like a Boxer. They got a good Boxer S, like a really good one. They have no value, you know, again, you put a good one on Bring a Trailer, it's gonna go you know, crazy, but yeah.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  A great, yeah, one that's like great ownership, history, great, yeah. Like, how about, oh dude, how about a mint? One owner, nine four four turbo. That's probably N A D A like twelve thousand bucks and like thirty five grand in the real world.

• 1:23:26Speaker 00

  Or more, yeah.

• 1:23:27Matt Farah?

  Nine six eight, you know?

• 1:23:29Speaker 00

  So all Porsches.

• 1:23:31Matt Farah?

  Well, that's just kind of what I'm, that's like the obvious, the obvious guys. Like, how about like, uh?

• 1:23:35Speaker 00

  But this is, this is funny, though. This is a lot.

• 1:23:37Matt Farah?

  Volkswagen R thirty two.

• 1:23:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, hey.

• 1:23:40Matt Farah?

  Or thirty two.

• 1:23:40Speaker 00

  Mark seven Golf R. Mark seven Golf R is probably like worth a dollar.

• 1:23:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:45Speaker 00

  Um, this is, oh, this is, this is one of those funny games, like a lot of southern states where it's like, we don't have any, you know, income tax. We tax you everywhere else.

• 1:23:52Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:23:52Speaker 00

  We'll reassess the value of your home three times a year. You know, so it's, this is how they get you, but that, that's funny. But good for him, that's smart.

• 1:24:00Matt Farah?

  That's a good one, yeah. Quadrofoley O face, best O E M wheel.

• 1:24:04Speaker 00

  That's good, too.

• 1:24:05Matt Farah?

  Best O E M wheel design on a modern car.

• 1:24:08Speaker 00

  Oh, I mean, I mean, well, the, okay, BMW, uh, nails it all the time, like.

• 1:24:15Matt Farah?

  Alpina.

• 1:24:16Speaker 00

  Alpina's great, kind of the same thing. Um, BMW, I just saw one, oh, God, I saw one that was, oh, Aston has some real good ones.

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  The big like meshy looking ones?

• 1:24:26Speaker 00

  Some of those, they just have all kinds of goods. There's so many good, that's, oh, boy. Um, Ferrari has good ones.

• 1:24:34Matt Farah?

  I really like the, the, the magnesium lightweight wheels on the G T three, with that have the hollow backs of the spokes.

• 1:24:40Speaker 00

  Gorgeous, gorgeous.

• 1:24:41Matt Farah?

  Really cool.

• 1:24:42Speaker 00

  And also A M G monoblocks are like, to me, kind of unbeatable. They're, they're so good.

• 1:24:47Matt Farah?

  My Bach S L I had was sort of silly, but it did have those, those wheels, those were pretty cool.

• 1:24:53Speaker 00

  I saw, I saw like a dark, dark green G sixty three on black monoblocks. Oh, so baller.

• 1:25:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:01Speaker 00

  So ball. It was funny, they, they did the, um, the Mybach, uh, S six eighty launch and it was like a mini launch in Beverly Hills. And I got there early and I was filming and they had a car picked out for me and it didn't have the monoblocks. And I was like, can I have that one? Cause it's on monoblocks. They're like, yeah, but this one has the, the tuxedo paint and the this. I'm like, it has a fancy interior. I'm like, I'd rather have the monoblocks.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, must have good wheels.

• 1:25:24Speaker 00

  And I stole it from Carl Brower. He was very pissed.

• 1:25:27Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Carl. Rolex L T Lariat King Ranch says, I'm planning a poor man's retirement car project. I start with twenty five K and keep cycling through fun vehicles.

• 1:25:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  Maybe a winter off roader, then a Manks, a Mini, a V W, whatever catches my interest.

• 1:25:46Speaker 00

  Think Camaro.

• 1:25:47Matt Farah?

  Um, okay. Uh, I, it could be a two thousand dollar shit box or a twenty thousand dollar car. I would allow two thousand a year for repairs and improvements. Do my own wrenching, but avoid major projects. Sell each when I'm ready for something different. Is this a good idea?

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  Um, I mean, it's, it's, it's a good idea until it isn't.

• 1:26:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:09Speaker 00

  Until like a transmission needs to be replaced or something like that. But yeah, I mean, if, if you're gonna, if you wanna spend your retirement years like doing routine maintenance work on two thousand dollar shit boxes, it's a great idea.

• 1:26:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I, I, it's a better idea than just fucking accumulating cars. Definitely. I mean, the commitment to sell and move on is very important, so you're in the right place.

• 1:26:33Speaker 00

  And that's a lot of, that's, you know, you know this better than anybody. The, the selling cars is a lot of work. It's not, it's, you have to deal with a lot of nonsense.

• 1:26:40Matt Farah?

  I mean, for us to sell a, to list a car on like Bring a Trailer, for instance, oh, and in fact, I should plug it. Um, we have, uh, Eric, my general manager, um, who is incredibly fastidious with his cars. We have just listed his absolutely bitchin'. Uh, this is a supercharged Honda S two thou, uh, supercharged S two thousand, sorry.

• 1:27:08Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:27:09Matt Farah?

  Hang on a second. Yeah, yeah, let me, let me bring the window up here.

• 1:27:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:14Matt Farah?

  So this thing has a hard top.

• 1:27:16Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:27:16Matt Farah?

  It's got the body kit, the carbon hood, B B S wheels and a supercharger, uh, Vortec. It's got like sixty five thousand miles.

• 1:27:25Speaker 00

  Perfect.

• 1:27:26Matt Farah?

  It's, I drove it today. It's so fucking nasty, this car. It is a good, good time.

• 1:27:32Speaker 00

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 1:27:33Matt Farah?

  It just went up. It comes with a hard top. It's freshly detailed.

• 1:27:37Speaker 00

  And for you kids out there.

• 1:27:38Matt Farah?

  Comes all stock parts.

• 1:27:40Speaker 00

  Man, it's hard to explain how good these can be. Like, they were pretty cool from the factory, but I've, like, I remember I was in an N S X and there was this dude on Angeles Crest who was in like, he was on like slicks basically, but like, he was just on my bumper. I was, I was like, what'd you do to the engine? He's like, engine stock, suspension all different.

• 1:27:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Speaker 00

  And it was wild.

• 1:27:59Matt Farah?

  So this thing, I drove it, it's about four hundred horsepower and it fucking rips. So anyway, that's a good time.

• 1:28:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:05Matt Farah?

  Um, but.

• 1:28:06Speaker 00

  That's a lot of work.

• 1:28:07Matt Farah?

  I was gonna say, it's for us and we're professionals. It takes about, it takes about twenty hours.

• 1:28:12Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:28:13Matt Farah?

  Between the detail, the photography.

• 1:28:15Speaker 00

  That's a week of work.

• 1:28:15Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 1:28:16Speaker 00

  That's too much.

• 1:28:17Matt Farah?

  Why we charge for that. Uh, Jackalus Pontaculus says, Johnny, would you recommend tuning the G R Corolla? I have a twenty twenty three core with all the packages, intake and exhaust, but I'm worried about tuning having seen various horror stories online.

• 1:28:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, it, it depends what, how you define tuning. Like, what I've done to mine is, I did, uh, let's see, let's just start backwards. Exhaust, which, um, has, it's a cat back design, so according to the guy doing the work on my car, it adds like about ten percent power when that opens up. Um, I did a giant ridiculous intake, which supposedly adds eighteen horsepower, but I don't know, I haven't done it yet. Um, I did a, uh, E C U Tech is the name of the company, a lot of re-flashes. Actually, what, basically, I helped them figure out California gas and they did, did twenty five re-flashes for me for free.

• 1:29:14Speaker 00

  Um, which is great and now I have three, um, engine maps and the third one is really nuts and it's really good. Um, I didn't open up the engine. They want me to put on fuel rails. They want me to run E eighty five. They want me to get a bigger turbo, which necessitates different fuel injectors, which necessitates, uh, new, um, uh, uh, cam shafts, which means you more compression, which means I need a new head gasket, so. I am hesitant to do that because like my car is probably making like three hundred and seventy-five horsepower and like it's plenty. I pass all the nine-nine-sevens I want, you know.

• 1:29:54Speaker 00

  Like, boy, to get to, you can, you could, that block will go to eight hundred. It's a, it's a W R C rally block. To get above five hundred means you're opening up the engine. I like Toyota reliability. I know I'm pushing it a little harder. I never drive my car. It's four years old. It has ten thousand miles, or it's three years old, ten thousand miles on it, just hit ten thousand. You know, it's like, I, I don't know, so.

• 1:30:16Matt Farah?

  It'll last as long as you need it to last.

• 1:30:17Speaker 00

  You definitely want to tune it. There's definitely a lot of stuff there. What I'm saying, though, is for doing stuff that's not going to really stress the engine that much more, you can get a lot out of it and uh, the, the re-flashes that are available, especially in California, like and I, you know, we're looking at the data, like, you know, once you hit about five thousand, it goes into just like crazy anti-knock avoidance. Uh, or knock avoidance. And so you know, it just doesn't, it would, it would get to five thousand pretty strong and then it would kind of like crumble to seven thousand. Now mine just pulls just straight uphill to seven thousand and, and you, you don't, and you just, it just feels better. You gotta shift, but it feels better.

• 1:30:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, Lieutenant Dangles genuine ostrich boots. My, my wife and I grabbed one of the last Z four manuals left in the country. It's a final edition with frozen black paint and the experience maintaining BMW frozen paint, or should we just P P F it? I've actually found that we've had some BMW frozen paint here. It's when they first started painting those cars ten, twelve years ago, we were like, this is going to be a nightmare. As it turns out, unless you deep scratch one, it's not that bad. They actually hold up fine as long as you hand wash them. Um, and don't get too many big rock chips. Um, they now have matte P P F, which you could certainly get.

• 1:31:38Matt Farah?

  Um, but you know, it's a Z four is like seventy thousand bucks, seventy-five thousand bucks, probably a Z four roadster manual. I think is around that. So you're adding ten percent of the cost of the car on top of it.

• 1:31:50Speaker 00

  But if he picked it up used, he probably paid.

• 1:31:52Matt Farah?

  No, this is new. Last new BMW.

• 1:31:53Speaker 00

  Oh, the current Z four, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 1:31:56Matt Farah?

  So if you gotta, if you're gonna keep it for like ten years, go for the P P F, otherwise let it ride and take care of it.

• 1:32:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, that's, P P F's a fortune, but I, in my, like, maybe P P F just of nose, just to avoid rock chips, you know? Um, like I, I, my, my Rivian's fully P P F'd and like the, I've done such horrible things to that poor truck off-road and it looks, the paint looks great because the P P F, you know, you, you heat gun it and it goes back to smooth.

• 1:32:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 00

  But you're probably not doing that with a Z four. So I don't know. But yeah, I mean, I, I have no experience with, with the frozen paint, but um.

• 1:32:30Matt Farah?

  We've, we've found that it lasts a lot better than we originally thought it was going to, like E V batteries. Uh, like four different people and I have asked us about uh, sedans and family cars in the forty thousand dollar range.

• 1:32:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:32:47Matt Farah?

  Electric or gas.

• 1:32:49Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:32:50Matt Farah?

  So let's each give them two picks, forty to fifty thousand dollars, electric and gas.

• 1:32:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:32:57Matt Farah?

  A Lancer N.

• 1:32:59Speaker 00

  Oh, Lancer N is great, although, you know, it's one of those weird cars where I happened to, we had them both on a track, don't ask. And we had the dual clutch and we had the manual with everything off. The manual spins badly, dangerously. The dual clutch does not. I think that's something to do with like, it's an open diff or something on the front of the manual and it's, it's not, it's a, it's a limited slip or something, but we're getting, it was real sketchy to drive the N with everything off. Now, do people, normal people drive their Lancer N's with everything turned off?

• 1:33:32Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 1:33:33Speaker 00

  No, maybe.

• 1:33:33Matt Farah?

  I mean, not really, but I, I didn't find it like sketchy. That's not a word.

• 1:33:37Speaker 00

  But track, but no, I mean, it was spinning.

• 1:33:40Matt Farah?

  Very long time.

• 1:33:40Speaker 00

  It was, it was spinning. Like, when's the last time you spun a car, you know, like?

• 1:33:43Matt Farah?

  You mean like the car spun? Not, not wheel spin? You mean the physical?

• 1:33:48Speaker 00

  The car was, was like doing circles on the track. Only in the manual. Yeah. It, it was weird. It was a really weird, and it was only in the manual. So I do like the Lancer N. But yeah, I would say.

• 1:34:01Matt Farah?

  Alright, that's a strange, uh, quirk.

• 1:34:02Speaker 00

  That's my, yeah. Okay. It could have been, it could have been that car.

• 1:34:05Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:34:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:06Matt Farah?

  I like a, I like a lightly used, if you can find it, Integra Type S. Big fan of the Integra Type S. Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:12Speaker 00

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:34:13Matt Farah?

  New, but.

• 1:34:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, or fifty-seven now, but yeah, they're great.

• 1:34:17Matt Farah?

  Uh, what is a used, a, a, a Mach-E rally? I, I, they're like sixty on the sticker, but everyone is leasing them for five hundred bucks.

• 1:34:25Speaker 00

  My, my friend, um, Kale just got one for, I can't remember where he paid, but he got a slightly used one and what a wonderful, fun, uh, uh, that has no business being as fun as it is.

• 1:34:36Matt Farah?

  Amazing to drive. My, uh, my brother-in-law, uh, Adam picked one up, seven thousand miles on it in that nice blue color.

• 1:34:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:43Matt Farah?

  Forty thousand bucks.

• 1:34:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:45Matt Farah?

  Boom.

• 1:34:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's a really, that's a really, really good one. Um, new. I mean, look, Ioniq five, terrific, um, as, as, as an appliance, yeah.

• 1:34:57Matt Farah?

  It's an appliance.

• 1:34:57Speaker 00

  That's, that's an appliance.

• 1:34:58Matt Farah?

  Fully an appliance.

• 1:34:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, I agree. But you know, a, again, like you compare it to a Model Y, I, I just for, you know, uh, ethical reasons, I can never recommend a Tesla ever again, but like drove one back to back with a Model Y. It's like the I, Ioniq rides better. Um, you know, it doesn't have the same frunk, but it's a little bit more roomy. The seats are way better. Um, you know, it doesn't have all the, the great tech that the Tesla has, pretty good tech, you know, so that's, that's a really good car. Um, sedan.

• 1:35:30Matt Farah?

  You know, the Civic S I is lovely. I mean, it's not fast, but it's got good inputs and it's built well.

• 1:35:35Speaker 00

  Hondas are, Hondas are great. You made, the Accord's really nice. It's been so long since I've driven like a regular sedan.

• 1:35:42Matt Farah?

  Shit, I hate to say it, but I like the Prius. It's an appliance, but it is quite nice to drive, actually.

• 1:35:48Speaker 00

  The current Prius is really good. They did a good job. Yeah, I, I do like that. Um, I'm trying to think, I mean, uh.

• 1:35:54Matt Farah?

  Your G T Is?

• 1:35:55Speaker 00

  You know, the, the new G T Is are really good. Golf, Gar, Golf, Golf Rs are, are quite good. Although they're, they got a little pricey, but, um.

• 1:36:06Matt Farah?

  Does it start with a five yet?

• 1:36:07Speaker 00

  Subaru W R X, hang on.

• 1:36:09Matt Farah?

  Golf R in the fifties yet?

• 1:36:10Speaker 00

  I think it is. I think it's, I think it's like priced like a Civic or like a, like a Type R or the Integra. The, um, the Subaru W R X, uh, very slept on, but like, man, hasn't changed a lot in twenty-five years. But I just, you know, just drove one, thirty-three thousand dollars was, is, it, it, the W, it's called the W R X base and you basically lose the fog lights. And like, we were in Wales with it, ripping around and like, they're great little cars, man. They're really like fun to drive cars. Like, they're limited. You, you, you, you reach the limit of that car. But hey, it's a new car that's sporty that you can reach the limit in, you know? So it's, I, I would say, you know, the Subaru, the W R X base for thirty-three grand, like, what a deal.

• 1:36:55Matt Farah?

  We can end on that.

• 1:36:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, could I, could I plug one thing?

• 1:36:58Matt Farah?

  Plug, what do you?

• 1:36:59Speaker 00

  Okay. My wife wrote a play.

• 1:37:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, my, can I send you, uh, the, or tell you the, it's Seed and Spark is the, uh, is the thing. If you go to seedandspark.org, I think.

• 1:37:12Matt Farah?

  I'll find it.

• 1:37:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, seedandspark.org. So my wife wrote a, wrote a play and it's being produced by this company, uh, Rogue Theater Company or something like that.

• 1:37:21Matt Farah?

  Seed and Spark?

• 1:37:22Speaker 00

  I think it's, hang on, let me, let me find it.

• 1:37:23Matt Farah?

  Dot org?

• 1:37:24Speaker 00

  Okay. Maybe it's not dot org. Seed. Okay, here it is.

• 1:37:29Matt Farah?

  This, oh, here.

• 1:37:30Speaker 00

  Oh, it's dot com. Yeah, sorry, dot com. I thought it was dot org. There it is, Shells. Boom.

• 1:37:35Matt Farah?

  Oh, oh, boy, I lost it. Where'd I go? How'd I go back?

• 1:37:37Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 1:37:38Matt Farah?

  Where'd I go? There it is. Okay.

• 1:37:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:37:41Matt Farah?

  It's called Shells.

• 1:37:41Speaker 00

  Shells.

• 1:37:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:37:45Speaker 00

  Seedandspark.com and I think it's like slash fu, it's slash, okay, seedandspark.com slash fun slash Shells, that's the thing. So, um, uh, she wrote a play, it's being produced. They need to raise a little bit of money. Um, and we, we.

• 1:38:03Matt Farah?

  Twelve K.

• 1:38:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, we raised them six K so far. Uh, the backstory to this is we had a neighbor, he went crazy. He tried to shoot my wife in the face. Thank God the gun malfunctioned. L A P D caught him. He said, yeah, I tried to shoot the bitch and then he pled guilty. So he went to prison for attempted first degree murder for nineteen years. And so she wrote a play about almost getting shot in the head and also how guns have, since that happened in two thousand fourteen, guns have become more and more popular and more and more people like think guns are rad. So it's like this absurdist play where like every day like her coworkers are coming to work with like AK forty-seven. Yeah, like bigger guns and just like talking about how great guns are. So, um,

• 1:38:44Speaker 00

  if you have any money and want to support kind of a cool thing, like turning a, was, you know, again, it's psychological tragedy. It was very tough on us. I'd have never talked about it publicly because I just don't like second amendment maniacs telling me that my wife should have been walking around our home with an AK, with a shotgun, which is what.

• 1:39:01Matt Farah?

  That just doesn't make any sense.

• 1:39:02Speaker 00

  Which is what a guy told me, like literally the week it happened, I was talking to a friend who's a gun nut and he's like.

• 1:39:08Matt Farah?

  Always strapped in my own home.

• 1:39:09Speaker 00

  We were moving out. We were moving out. She was, she was literally hauling a box in the hallway. And the guy broke into our house and she turned around and, uh, and by the way, broke in, we had three movers and the front door was open, so he walked in with a gun. And she stood up because she thought it was a mover or me, because it was a big male, you know, presence, she felt, and the guy had the handgun in her face and it, I think it was jammed. And it's called Shells because he then cocked the barrel or whatever you call it, the thing, the slidey thing. And a bullet fell out and then he ran out of the house and she, when I got home, she handed me the bullet. Um, and it's, uh, like the, the main character, um, has like this like wounded puppet that kind of follows her around and talks to her and it's just like this very absurd comedy, but

• 1:39:54Speaker 00

  it's a lot of production because there's a lot of puppets involved. Um.

• 1:39:58Matt Farah?

  Puppets cost money, people.

• 1:39:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, they're changing them and stuff like that. But anyways, uh, if you want to see it, it's here in L A. If you want to donate, we totally super appreciate it.

• 1:40:07Matt Farah?

  So yeah, go to seedandspark.com and then just find Shells.

• 1:40:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, or slash fun slash.

• 1:40:12Matt Farah?

  We'll put the link up in there.

• 1:40:14Speaker 00

  Thank you, yeah.

• 1:40:15Matt Farah?

  Thank you for coming, uh, Driving with Johnny on YouTube, of course, Instagram, all that stuff.

• 1:40:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:21Matt Farah?

  You know where to find us.

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm all over the place. Yeah.

• 1:40:23Matt Farah?

  Road Rat. Zach will, yeah, he's writing for the Road Rat too, that's cool. Zach will be back. I don't know if this week, but probably like next week, but we appreciate uh, all of you. Thank you for the, such good, uh, questions from our patrons today, the ones we didn't get to.

• 1:40:37Speaker 00

  Forget about the questions, the name game is like.

• 1:40:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, our patrons are on it.

• 1:40:41Speaker 00

  But this was, this was especially.

• 1:40:42Matt Farah?

  They have some very good ones out there.

• 1:40:44Speaker 00

  What was, it was a, uh, song for the dead pedal?

• 1:40:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, Siren Song for the Dead Pedal.

• 1:40:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, and then, and then.

• 1:40:50Matt Farah?

  Lots of Rise Against, uh, references.

• 1:40:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, but the, uh, what was the one, the quadrofolia face?

• 1:40:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, he's a regular.

• 1:40:57Speaker 00

  That's, that's, yeah.

• 1:40:59Matt Farah?

  Top notch. We've got, we've got some real bangers in this room.

• 1:41:01Speaker 00

  Top shelf.

• 1:41:02Matt Farah?

  Thank you, everybody. I'll see you next time. Bye.