George Notaras (MotoMan TV)

George Notaras is an automotive journalist who has been in the YouTube game for over a decade. On this episode we talk about the challengers faced by creators new and old (er, experienced), why his channel moved, algorithms, GT3 ownership, and more. https://www.youtube.com/motomantv https://www.youtube.com/@MMTVCars https://www.instagram.com/motomantv/ Recorded September 19, 2025 Buy or sell your next car today with CarGurus at https://www.cargurus.com. Make sure your big deal is the best deal. Quince Keep it classic and cool this fall—with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to https://www. Quince.com/TIRE for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Truewerk Upgrade your day with workwear built like it matters. Get 15% off your first order at https://www. TRUEWERK.com with code tire. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:44Matt Farah?

  offtherecord.com/tst. Our code is good for 10% off all legal services booked through Off the Record. You want to have it, dude, you gotta have it. It's very important. OfftheRecord.com/tst. Friends, don't let friends plead guilty. All right, folks, on today's episode of the podcast, my pal George Notaras, aka Motoman, is in studio. He's my cigar buddy, actually, more than my car buddy, but he's relaunching the YouTube channel and we're talking about it. In fact, we get a little inside baseball on this one with how YouTube channels work. So if you're into the process of content creation and insider-y YouTube stuff, there's a lot.

• 1:28Matt Farah?

  Plus Pebble Beach, GT3s, the cool stuff we have been driving, and a lot more. It's good to have him in studio. Motoman is here, it's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go!

• 1:42Matt Farah?

  Hi, everybody, Smoking Tire Podcast, we're rolling. George Notaras, Motoman.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  We just rolled right into it.

• 1:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  We were talking about feet on tables and we rolled into it.

• 1:50Matt Farah?

  And we still are. He, George, hasn't been to the current studio. He last podcasted with us at the dentist's office, which was crazy.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  I feel like that was back when the Model T came out.

• 1:59Matt Farah?

  We moved here in 2020.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, a long time ago.

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  Matter of fact, September 18th, uh, two days ago was the five year anniversary of West Side Collector Car Storage.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Well, it's good to see you again.

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you too.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Even though behind the scenes, technically I've seen the place before.

• 2:13Matt Farah?

  You've seen me, you've seen the place, but now you're in the studio in front of the microphone.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  And thank you for coming.

• 2:19Speaker 01

  It's very good to see you.

• 2:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and you sent me, you sent me like a fucking agenda, like I gave a shit.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  I'm an organized Greek.

• 2:25Matt Farah?

  He was like, here's some things I think we should cover. And I was like, well, um, delete.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  And then I sent it to you again and added more to the list.

• 2:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  I did, I did.

• 2:36Matt Farah?

  And I wrote back like, we're good, bro. I think that's literally what I wrote.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  That was exactly the email we can show it to the audience right now.

• 2:45Matt Farah?

  And this is my second show today. I did a show before with Nicole Johnson, who was like, just a fucking, have you met Nicole?

• 2:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, she's a YouTuber, off-roader, uh, transitioning to on-roader.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, from Nevada, and she's a, a wonderful woman that is just made of liquid energy poured into a bag that's shaped like a woman. I mean, just, just like.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  It happens to go off-road.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  She's a, she's a driver. She's a driver and a presenter, but she's just like made of rocket fuel.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Have you noticed that in the YouTube world, there is a genre?

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  So people know where.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, they gotta know who I am. I'm actually telling people my name now.

• 3:27Matt Farah?

  And your lower third, did you not use your like last name?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  For the longest time, I didn't use my actual given name. I used the Motoman name or Motoman TV name. But then over years, it was like the worst kept secret. Everyone knew my name and on camera, like Bob Lutz would say, hi, George. And I just got to the point, I'm like, no, I think I'd rather use my own name.

• 3:47Matt Farah?

  You wouldn't even use your first name?

• 3:48Speaker 01

  I wouldn't use my first name on camera.

• 3:49Matt Farah?

  It's Motoman.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Well, I wouldn't refer to myself as Motoman. I'm not like Karl Malone. Well, Karl Malone wants this and Karl Malone wants that.

• 3:57Matt Farah?

  It would be great if you went from not referring to yourself at all to referring to yourself in the third person. Be like, well, I took a course.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  I'm not that much of a douchebag.

• 4:06Matt Farah?

  My confidence is a little different. A little different now.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  So the genre of off was huge. Did you like there's so many

• 4:14Matt Farah?

  Crazy.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Like you and I, if we look at like the funnel of search traffic for cars, there's like new cars. There's like classic cars and then there's race cars.

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  However, off-road is like this.

• 4:27Matt Farah?

  But it's it's over here. It's a never the two shall cross.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 4:32Matt Farah?

  And it's it's you have to like be in it, right? Like when I do, I don't know about you. Um, but when I do an off-road video, it doesn't do well. People don't come to me for that.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Oh, you it's kind of like airplanes. Same thing. So I am a pilot.

• 4:49Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  I own an airplane. I've been shooting in a hangar for like eight years.

• 4:53Matt Farah?

  Recreationally, all you talk about is airplanes.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Absolutely. And if I well, I talk about cigars too.

• 4:58Matt Farah?

  Right. What's in the case?

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a gift for later. I'm not gonna give away this right now.

• 5:03Matt Farah?

  We will we will stoke.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely. I didn't come to talk to you. I came to have cigars.

• 5:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Um.

• 5:09Matt Farah?

  Conversation.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  If I do it, I did this amazing airplane video. So all my buddies, you came to the hangar. You saw that I've got

• 5:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  All these buddies have got the warbirds and we fly in formation. So like

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  It's pretty hardcore.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  It very, these are the guys that are flying over the Rose Bowl. Those are my buddies. I have flown over the Rose Bowl.

• 5:25Matt Farah?

  If you live in Los Angeles, I mean, this is a little inside baseball. Maybe they go to other cities as well.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  They do.

• 5:30Matt Farah?

  But like most, uh, you know, holidays.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Figure go up all the way to Central Coast and all the way out to Phoenix and all the way out to Nevada. This is the one team that does it.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they fly. It's five, six planes in formation.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Could there's 14 guys on the team.

• 5:47Matt Farah?

  I've only ever seen five or six at a time.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  In formation. But I did one episode.

• 5:52Matt Farah?

  Is there is there a name of their like of the club?

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Tiger Squadron. Tiger Squadron. If you want to hire the Tiger Squadron for your event.

• 6:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, hire them for your party?

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Matter of fact, you can.

• 6:05Matt Farah?

  What's up with?

• 6:05Speaker 01

  That's it. Tiger Squadron. That's us.

• 6:07Matt Farah?

  Tiger Squadron.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  So we did this epic tour. We flew all the way to Oshkosh. We went to the, you know, the

• 6:16Matt Farah?

  In these things?

• 6:17Speaker 01

  In these things.

• 6:18Matt Farah?

  You flew this fucking thing to Oshkosh?

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:20Matt Farah?

  How long does that take?

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Well, we did it only a couple of hours flying a day because what we did is we flew from here to Telluride. Stayed overnight, two days in Telluride.

• 6:30Matt Farah?

  This is like, this is like the next level of Gumball. This is like when people are like, oh, Gumball? That's for poor people.

• 6:39Matt Farah?

  Colorado grin.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  We refer to ourselves as pilots.

• 6:43Matt Farah?

  Thank you very much.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  You ain't shit unless you're going to Telluride in a P50 fucking one.

• 6:49Matt Farah?

  Is that what that is?

• 6:50Speaker 01

  No, that, that is called a Nanshan CJ6A. It is a military trainer from the early 60s. That particular livery is an air force livery, excuse me, a navy livery, and it is owned by a Dutch guy. And that's, that is the one, the very plane that I flew across the country in. Then we went to, we went to Kansas City, never been to Kansas City. We went there, a buddy of ours has this amazing classic car collection and boats. So we drive classic cars for two days, go on the boats, and then, you know how, I mean, most people wouldn't know this, but controlled airspace, like you're not gonna go and fly over LAX or JFK.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  Right, yes, yes.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  However, the, the tower at Kansas City International caught wind of these six warbirds? And you're like, we would like you to buzz the tower. Like, please, like, have sex with my girlfriend, kind of thing.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  I was about to say. I would like to say, um, I'd like to introduce you to my wife.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  And let me video it, cause that's what happened. So we've got six warbirds.

• 7:49Matt Farah?

  And I'd like to have, I'd like to have a cup of coffee ready, so that when you buzz the tower, I can spill it all over my face like an explosion, like in Top Gun.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  We're officially earning our explicit rating right now. So we buzzed the tower, people at Kansas City are like, what the hell is going on?

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  This isn't like the commercial airport?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:09Matt Farah?

  Like the reg, the regular airport?

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Yes. Imagine like flying over something the size of like Phoenix Airport, that's the size.

• 8:16Matt Farah?

  So half the people would be like, sick, and the other half the people like, this is why I'm fucking late to Denver?

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Oh, they, they thought it was the end of times. So then we press on and we go to Oshkosh, so that took me like a week. I did this amazing video, you gotta see it, it's awesome.

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  It probably got like 1500 views, right?

• 8:34Speaker 01

  It got nothing. But like a Toyota, like Corolla, gets 250,000 views.

• 8:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, man. I mean, look, if you were, if you were a photographer... The weddings and bar mitzvahs is what pays your mortgage, baby. It ain't the fucking art you're shooting on the weekend.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  But the point is, the reason why I bring it up is you go back to like, I do off-road videos. The only off-road video I ever did that did well, I jumped a QX80.

• 8:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  That worked out well.

• 9:01Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, break the car.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Break the car, yes.

• 9:03Matt Farah?

  That's what, I mean,

• 9:05Speaker 01

  And the manufacturer, going back to the, here's my wife, meet my wife, please. The manufacturer said, if you get hit that going about 30 miles an hour, you'll like what will happen. That's literally what they said at the proving ground.

• 9:16Matt Farah?

  And then, and then they went, see, you hit it at 37. And, uh, that's, you know, you've now exploded the transmission.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  No, they took me out to dinner and celebrated.

• 9:27Matt Farah?

  And then they said, would you like to meet my wife? She's in room 312.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  I can't say that. These are all good Arizona State Sun Devils and I am a Sun Devil.

• 9:37Matt Farah?

  Can we, and we can't say what the car was, huh?

• 9:39Speaker 01

  We can. It was an Infiniti QX80.

• 9:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, you said QX80, right.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  It was at their proving grounds in Arizona.

• 9:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, listen, if it's, yeah, of course, Infiniti. An Infiniti PR person would let you fuck their wife if they said something nice about the car.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Actually, this was the engineers. The PR person didn't know anything about it. But the PR person was in on the gag after, he loved it after the fact.

• 9:58Matt Farah?

  The PR person was in the closet.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Actually, he was.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Well, this really has taken, I feel like we're back at the fire pits again.

• 10:08Matt Farah?

  All right, let's say something nice. Did you hear Infiniti's bringing back the G35?

• 10:12Speaker 01

  I did not hear this.

• 10:14Matt Farah?

  I don't know if it's the moniker per se, but the fast stick shift,

• 10:17Speaker 01

  A two-door stick shift car.

• 10:18Matt Farah?

  Z-based car.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  I think that's great.

• 10:20Matt Farah?

  I think that's great, too. Do you remember?

• 10:24Matt Farah?

  Do you remember where you were? Do you remember where you were? The moment the 2005 G35 coupe with the forged wheels and the whoa exhaust came out? Game changer, dude.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  I was, I was on the subway. I was living in New York City at the time.

• 10:39Matt Farah?

  Game changer.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Did you like that car?

• 10:42Matt Farah?

  Fuck yeah. The first G35 coupe? That shit was fire in 05.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  It was an amazing car to drive, but I still would have chosen the Z.

• 10:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, I wouldn't have, but I didn't like how they looked and also I was too tall for them. But I really thought that coupe with specifically with the forged wheel option. I thought that was a gorgeous, gorgeous car. And man, everybody in Westchester wanted them shits. Where I lived, you, you could not be a Guido in high school between the ages of 16 and 18. And not be all dead, dead. I need a G35 coupe. Like it was all of them.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  I feel like it, I was, matter of fact, I was just in Westchester, not, but 36 hours ago.

• 11:31Matt Farah?

  Doing what?

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Uh, we went to the bridge.

• 11:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  And then we went up to.

• 11:35Matt Farah?

  That's not Westchester.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  No, that's, that's the Hamptons.

• 11:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Mate, we gotta talk about that. Amazing show.

• 11:39Matt Farah?

  What the fuck is going on over there? Because I got, I had about 12 people email me, be like, why are you not at the bridge? I'm like, why should I be at the bridge?

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Johnny and I had cigars at the bridge, but you didn't.

• 11:49Matt Farah?

  But like, okay, cool. Let me fucking spend $1,500 on plane tickets and then drive three hours of the goddamn Hamptons to have a cigar with you. Which we could apparently do right here in my office.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  But it's worth it. This way we get to go to the highest point in Sag Harbor.

• 12:02Matt Farah?

  But like, do I, the highest point in Sag Harbor?

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's, uh, yeah, that's like basically like saying, let me go to the highest point in Cleveland.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  I know it sounds like a joke, but it's, it's this golf course that sits like, again, highest point, really in the Hamptons. So you're looking down on Sag Harbor Bay. Beautiful setup.

• 12:19Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  And we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Where were we? Oh, G35s. I was driving around Westchester. Everyone still has BMWs.

• 12:26Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, oh, now.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, now.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  Now they do. I'm talking about 05. In 05, the G35 was a legitimate three series competitor. And beat the three series in many comparisons.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  I gotta tell you, I started doing this and that's when there was a G37. So it was like 09, you and I started around the same time.

• 12:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  And I was, I was smitten with a G37. I really liked the way it looked. I love the way it drove. And of course you keep on mentioning the sound. The sound's amazing.

• 12:52Matt Farah?

  The sound is the most iconic sound that you can make with your mouth.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Is this a rumor you've heard or did someone confirm this with you?

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• 16:19Speaker 01

  Now, how do you know? Is this a rumor you've heard or did someone confirm this with you?

• 16:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, no, it was a news story about it. This is, that's the shit right there. Oh, what did I just do? I don't know. I don't know what I just did.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  We're looking at the highest point in Sag Harbor.

• 16:31Matt Farah?

  I just hit, I just did the thing where I made the fucking, there we go. Sorry about that, folks. I made the screen go away because I'm a moron, but those, when I, it doesn't look like much today, man, but when that car came out, it was fucking banging.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  I disagree with you. I think that looks like that's a classic design. You look at the, look at the daylight opening. No one does that today.

• 16:52Matt Farah?

  I mean, I may, I may have been a little harsh there. It is, it is still a good looking car.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  I think it's, the only thing I never liked about that car are those lights, those headlights. That's it.

• 17:00Matt Farah?

  That vertical headlight orientation.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I never liked the headlights, but.

• 17:03Matt Farah?

  You don't like it when the headlight crests the top of the fender.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  You know what this reminds me of? Remember the LeBaron from like the 80s? I know I'm dating myself here. It looks like Hill Street Blues.

• 17:12Matt Farah?

  No, LeBaron's had very horizontal headlights.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  It had the tail lamp, excuse me, the turn signal above the headlamp.

• 17:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, right.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  And I just can't get past that.

• 17:19Matt Farah?

  LaBaron's also had the blinker stalk was on the binnacle. Column.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 17:26Matt Farah?

  That's a weird fucking blinker. I'm glad that didn't stick.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Weird, weird setup.

• 17:30Matt Farah?

  Dude, my, uh, my, my fucking punk rock communist girlfriend in high school drove a LaBaron and it was called like Sally or some shit. You know, it was the most like Catholic school punk rock.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:43Matt Farah?

  Communist mobile ever. Yeah.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Fond memories of her, huh?

• 17:48Matt Farah?

  I was like literally just talking two shows ago about how they changed the rules at her Catholic school to not allow boys before a certain time of day. Cause I would show up in my cammed Mustang and just fucking idle outside while they were trying to finish classes.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Was this post Mercury Villager?

• 18:02Matt Farah?

  Yes, the Villager was first. All, all other cars are post Villager. Yes.

• 18:10Matt Farah?

  But still fond memories and people do occasionally, someone sent me a really clean Nautica Villager. Recently that I almost bought, but it was like far as fuck away.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Are you really gonna buy one?

• 18:23Matt Farah?

  No, I'm not like actively shopping one, but it was like fifteen hundred dollars. Like for fifteen hundred dollars, I'll buy it as a, as a goof.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  I wish you had a place to store it.

• 18:32Matt Farah?

  It was like forty thousand dollars. Uh, excuse me. It was like, no, no, no. It was like forty thousand miles and it was fifteen hundred dollars.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Oh, so it was kinda like new in the wrapper.

• 18:39Matt Farah?

  It was a, as a goof, it would have been awesome. Do you know how hard it is to find a Nautica Villager? That isn't fucked. They're really rare.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  I can't say that I've ever had a, a hankarn for any kind of minivan, let alone a Mercury.

• 18:52Matt Farah?

  I shamelessly love minivans. I had an oh nine Odyssey that was incredible vehicle. Like a truly incredible vehicle that I loved everything about.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  About that when, when I was first on your podcast and like.

• 19:06Matt Farah?

  I probably had just bought it.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  You had just gotten it and you were going on and on about how much you loved minivans and I, I, I thought you were crazy. I gotta turn this off.

• 19:13Matt Farah?

  Turn that fucking thing off, bro. Um, yeah, well, that hasn't changed. I still love minivans. Uh, I rent minivans when I travel, even if I don't totally need them.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  So I, I think we all have these guilty pleasures. Like for me, it's a nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty five Cadillac Eldorado.

• 19:30Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Like I'm going to buy one.

• 19:33Matt Farah?

  They're really hard to find.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  They're

• 19:35Matt Farah?

  They disintegrate.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  I'm making it difficult on myself because I want the one my aunt had.

• 19:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is a specific color combo? Like, what are we talking about?

• 19:42Speaker 01

  It's not just, I can be flexible on the color. It just has to have a contrast. But the thing that I'm looking for is no Landau roof, I mean, no vinyl, but it's gotta have the factory Astro roof.

• 19:53Matt Farah?

  What's Astro?

• 19:55Speaker 01

  The sun, the moon roof, they call it an Astro.

• 19:57Matt Farah?

  Sunroof, but metal.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  No, Astro roof means it was glass.

• 20:00Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. Yes, okay, so moon roof.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Moon roof.

• 20:04Matt Farah?

  But metal roof, not Landau.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Not Landau. That is the car I am looking for.

• 20:10Matt Farah?

  Is it possible? I've never, I'm sure it is, and this is gonna seem, if anyone who's ever done bodywork is probably gonna roll their eyes and say this. Can you un-Landau one?

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yes, you can.

• 20:21Matt Farah?

  But you have to paint whatever's under there.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  You have to paint basically the whole car, because you gotta match the whole thing.

• 20:25Matt Farah?

  But it is possible.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Entirely possible.

• 20:27Matt Farah?

  It's just a regular metal roof under that thing.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  The vast majority of them came with a Landau roof. Very few of them had the Astro roof because it was such an expensive option. It was something like five or eight percent of the base price of the car. It was super expensive back in the day.

• 20:41Matt Farah?

  Well, that glass was probably very novel at the time.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  It was one of the setups where, you know, the glass, you had this like, uh, leading edge around the edge where it was plastic, and then you had the, the, uh, the sunshade.

• 20:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  It looks so great in the car.

• 20:56Matt Farah?

  I bet.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Like, it's porn for me.

• 20:57Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, I can show you my

• 20:59Matt Farah?

  Is it one of those things where if it breaks, it's like $3,000 to fix?

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole headliner, and if that lip, plastic lip around the glass comes back, it's super hard to find a new, yeah.

• 21:08Matt Farah?

  And wait, which Cadillac exactly is this?

• 21:10Speaker 01

  This is the 79 to 85 Eldorado.

• 21:13Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  And it's, it's significant for, uh, I would say one reason, aside from Mayan Christine.

• 21:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  It's significant because it was the last car under Bill Mitchell's design at General Motors. And, you know, Bill Mitchell, if you look at the span of what he impacted at General Motors, you're talking C3s to this thing. You know, he changed General Motors. These are, that's a fat, that's fat Elvis. No, I don't want the fat Elvis. No, it's 79? That's it, yeah.

• 21:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Now granted, that has no contrast. That's silver on gray. Oh, actually, silver on red. That's got some contrast.

• 21:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, just as a-

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Matter of fact, you just pulled up one without the, the, the landau roof.

• 21:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there it is.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  I would totally rock that.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  Silver red is pretty good.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  I would totally rock this car.

• 21:58Matt Farah?

  Fucking, I'd put that on hydraulic.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Everything with E R on a slam on bags.

• 22:02Matt Farah?

  For, no, hydraulics. For this, this is hydraulics. Fourteen thousand miles, that's a nice car.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  That's a nice car, yeah.

• 22:07Matt Farah?

  That's a pretty nice car.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  If that car had a sunroof, we'd call this guy right now.

• 22:10Matt Farah?

  That, uh, well, this is from twenty twenty-three. My guess is it's not still there. But, uh, but I'm not, but we know, I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Oh, do you want to hear, get this. So, this is my porn at night. This is what I watch at night. And I found on Bring a Trailer, they made a convertible, eighty-four, eighty-five. It was a, it was a, it was a cut job by A S C. So it didn't, wasn't born a convertible, but it was a factory convertible.

• 22:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  And-

• 22:33Matt Farah?

  They're weird. I know what you're talking about.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  They're weird. I don't like the way they look.

• 22:35Matt Farah?

  I like the Seville Opera coupe.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Of course you do.

• 22:38Matt Farah?

  Which is the, the fucking dope Cadillac of the eighties.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what, I'll get, I'll get mine, you get yours, and we'll cruise in both. And we'll have cigars that's somewhere in the mountains.

• 22:46Matt Farah?

  I, I want, I don't want one. I just, I, I love them, I love it for you. I love it for you. I don't want-

• 22:53Speaker 01

  One of the guys at the airport's got one.

• 22:54Matt Farah?

  I'm sure they're-

• 22:55Speaker 01

  He's got this crazy collection of cars. He's got like a seventy-seven Impala bubbleback coupe.

• 23:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, I know the bubbleback, yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  New in the wrapper, like ten thousand miles. Anyway, the, um, where was I going with this? Oh, yeah, my porn tonight. So, I'm watching, I'm gonna go look in a Bring a Trailer, and an eighty-five, burgundy on burgundy, terrible color combo. He only came in burgundy and white. Burgundy on burgundy, but at five thousand original miles. New in the wrapper, it's the gold keys, the window. And I'm like, oh my god.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  Is that, would you, is that considered, uh, Merlot Broham?

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Merlot Broham?

• 23:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, please tell me you've seen The Great White Hype.

• 23:32Matt Farah?

  A man of your age? A man of my age, I have not seen it. There's a movie. Yeah. It's worth explaining this whole thing. I'm sorry to anyone who's seen it. There's a movie. Yeah. From I think ninety-six. Hmm. That fucking holds up called The Great White Hype. Um, with Jamie Foxx, uh, Peter Berg. It's entirely possible I've seen this back in the day. It's a boxing movie. And ninety-six, wow, I got that right. And this, you want to talk about a movie that holds up? I've never seen this. Uh, Samuel L. Jackson as a sort of Don King type character. Yeah. Damon Wayans as a, uh, um, Floyd Mayweather type character.

• 24:12Matt Farah?

  And, uh, the Damon Wayans boxing character has won a bunch of titles and is getting lazy and arrogant. Hmm. And, uh, the Don King character played by Samuel L. Jackson wants to set up an easy fight and, and, uh, positions that boxing is really about race. And so they find the whitest dude possible, Peter Berg, and they call him Irish Terry. And he's like, uh, I'm not Irish. And they go, it's boxing. It just means you're white. Uh, Jeff Goldblum pays a PR guy. And, uh, and they set up this sort of boxing race war. Hmm. Uh, that, uh, is eerily accurate to life even thirty years later. Connected to my convertible Cadillac? Because. Yeah. The character played by Jamie Foxx. Yes.

• 24:57Matt Farah?

  Drives a used Cadillac Braum that he refers to as a Merlot Broham. Now I get it. And Jeff Goldblum does not understand what he's saying. Broham? You mean Braum? Yeah. He's like, no, broham, that's what I'm saying. And there is a side plot about getting him a new Broham. And so, anyway, now that I've explained the joke, it's no longer funny. Yes. But I think the car you're talking about. Rules of comedy. If you have to explain the joke, it is not funny. I explained it. I hope that it leads someone to go see the fucking movie because it's hilarious. But I, I think you're actually talking about the Merlot Broham from this film. Technically, it's, it was the beerits. The convertibles were all the beerits.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Not the Broham.

• 25:42Matt Farah?

  The Broham was a sedan.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  So it's more socially acceptable to have the Biarritz. Anyway, I call my boy. You know Dave Kenny at Haggerty?

• 25:48Matt Farah?

  Yes, I do.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Okay, Dave's a great guy.

• 25:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  He is literally the guy that writes the book on classic car values.

• 25:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was called like Cars That... It used to be called Cars That Matter. Is it called that still?

• 25:57Speaker 01

  No, it's happening.

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  Now it's Haggerty Price Guy.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  They acquired it from Dave, but Dave still runs it. So Dave is the guy, you be nice to him and he gets your car value higher. So I called Dave.

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  Dave the Appraiser.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  He literally is the appraiser. I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse. So I called Dave, I'm like, this is what I want. And it took him like five minutes to get off the floor from laughing.

• 26:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Folks, gotta take just one more break because True Work wants you to hear about their awesome clothes they just sent me. Fall is about fast-changing weather. It can be hot, it can be cold, it can be windy, it can be wet. Sometimes if you're in the right part of the country, all in one day or shift. True Work is performance workwear built like it matters because it does. I'm out here at Performance Car of the Year right now, recording these ads from a hotel in the middle of nowhere. And I am wearing the True Work they sent me because I was certain it was going to rain today at the track. And I also thought it could be really hot. It turns out it was cold and windy.

• 27:01Matt Farah?

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• 27:45Matt Farah?

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• 28:06Speaker 01

  It took him like five minutes to get off the floor from laughing.

• 28:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  And then he says, "You can't pay more than thirty grand." That's what that car's worth, all day long.

• 28:13Matt Farah?

  Thirty?

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Thirty, because it's five thousand original miles.

• 28:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  And everything's supported.

• 28:17Matt Farah?

  We're talking about the five thousand.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Five thousand, and it's a convertible.

• 28:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, best one in the world.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  So, sure enough, I put the bid in for thirty grand, I'm sitting there, and I gotta say, about two hours prior, I was gonna show up in a Broham.

• 28:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Guess what it went for?

• 28:33Matt Farah?

  Tell me it was like sixty-four grand or something.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  No, not that much, but close.

• 28:37Matt Farah?

  Really? Fifties?

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Fifty-two, five.

• 28:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Five thousand miles? With that kind of miles, it's really the time it would take you to find another one.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  But you can't drive it.

• 28:46Matt Farah?

  No.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  Five thousand miles, you can't drive it.

• 28:48Matt Farah?

  You, that's the wrong car for you.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  It's the wrong car, exactly.

• 28:50Matt Farah?

  Buying those, those, there's a certain type of person that can do that, the miles really, really low.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Joe Boortz in Chicago, he's the guy that does that kind of stuff. He does the concept cars and the low miles cars.

• 29:01Matt Farah?

  You just, it, it's, there's like low, and then there's, it's low miles, you pay a little bit of a premium for low miles.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:09Matt Farah?

  But you, you can't pay that kind of money, and we, you and I shouldn't pay that kind of money in order to have a very low mile car, when putting the miles on will drive the value out of it. Like, it just, the math is bad.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:23Matt Farah?

  You buy one with forty thousand miles, that still looks pretty good.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  And let's say if someone was asleep at the switch, at thirty, would have been a nice toy to have for a little bit.

• 29:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  But it wouldn't have been my driver. I'm looking for like fifty, sixty thousand miles, so I can have some fun with it.

• 29:37Matt Farah?

  Which even, for a car that old, that's not a lot of miles.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then where am I gonna put it? And I've got...

• 29:43Matt Farah?

  Don't you have a hanger?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  I do have a hanger, but I've got a cigar lounge on one side, and I've got Eva on the other, and then the plane in the middle.

• 29:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay, well, something's gotta go. I made good price for you, my friend. Good. Um, uh, should we talk about your, uh, your all-new YouTube channel?

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Completely YouTube channels, excuse me.

• 30:02Matt Farah?

  Channels, uh, excuse me, channels, uh. Um, you decided to shitcan your old channel, say goodbye.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a very harsh way to put it, but yes, you could say that.

• 30:14Matt Farah?

  It's a good word, I like, I'd... I'm enjoying using it. I picked it up recently.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  I, I, I've been calling it, I'm reimagining Motoman TV.

• 30:21Matt Farah?

  Sure, it worked for Singer. It's, yeah, reimagined.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  It's still Motoman TV.

• 30:25Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  The old channel is still there. It is our archive. But I'll give you the headline of what we did and then you can ask questions as to the whys.

• 30:33Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Um, we ended up moving all the disparate show types onto their own channels. So the car reviews, the car stories, anything moving cars, that moves to MMTV cars. So everything is still Motoman TV.

• 30:47Matt Farah?

  Youtube MMTV cars.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  That is the official, that's like the URL, but it's still called Motoman TV Cars.

• 30:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  And as you can see, we changed the logo. I can give you the backstory of the colors and why we did what we did with the logo. And then, as a, as a companion to this, Inside the Motoman Studio, our podcast, I started after yours. I started in 2014 at the Peterson. And that was on our main channel and we were putting hour-long episodes against 20-minute episodes. And the algorithm was like, what the hell do I do with this?

• 31:20Matt Farah?

  Guess what's me and Zach learned six years ago?

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 31:23Matt Farah?

  Hey, yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  So move this to-

• 31:25Matt Farah?

  You're over here now.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  So now this is a completely separate channel. So now, our, this is our two homes. There will be more coming. We're going to be managing a total of six channels. So there will be a Shorts and Eclipse channel of each one of these main channels.

• 31:40Matt Farah?

  I strongly recommend-

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Tell me.

• 31:44Matt Farah?

  Um, pulling those podcasts down off of your other channel and re-uploading them onto this channel.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  You think that would work?

• 31:52Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Even though the quality is not the same?

• 31:54Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Even though the, like, so these, you know me, I'm a freak. You know, we're different about this. Like, I got the fancy cameras, we're shooting. This is all shot in 4K, those are not shot in 4K. You think that's gonna be a problem?

• 32:04Matt Farah?

  No. I think you should tell your audience, who will listen, like, hey, just so you know.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  In the next three days, I'm gonna be uploading, you know, whatever, 60 episodes. They're the old show. We just want everything in the same place. So, ignore your notifications for three days.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:24Matt Farah?

  And then new content will be back. I mean, it's not, it's not fucking 4K, but it's not like shit.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  It's actually not a bad idea. I like that idea.

• 32:31Matt Farah?

  We, I mean, we did that when we, when we made the new channel, we didn't just start from today on. We took all the old videos off the old channel and populated the new channel and it doesn't get a ton of traffic. But taking them off the old channel made the old channel do better. It improved the math on the videos that remain.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  See, that was the logic in separating everything out.

• 32:53Matt Farah?

  It is, but you're not doing it all the way. Take the other ones down and re-put them up. And, and it'll put everything in the same place. And those, those views were, they were there. It's like, it's not like they didn't happen. Like, it's good.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  So it was more SEO food and helping the algorithm to separate it out. The, um, this was, this was the big motivation and a funny thing happened. We, we messaged to the audience multiple times in video, in posts, in social posts. And I think we didn't do a good job of explaining the why. Like, they knew we were moving. And as you can see, they moved quickly. Our, our numbers are way better than they were on the old channel by doing this.

• 33:37Matt Farah?

  On the, the numbers on the, on the new videos?

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Yes, like to give you an idea, um, the, so monetizing a channel, whether you have an old channel or not, you still have to go through the same front door of monetization. That at fastest usually takes two, three months, up to a year. It took us two and a half days on the podcast channel and less than two days on the cars channel.

• 33:59Matt Farah?

  Good.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Bugatti, we chose the Bugatti Turbine as our first episode. It took off. Like, this is a car that's a year old and we were, what, basically what happened is the algorithm put us in front of people that never saw us before.

• 34:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so. We've been talking about this.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  You and I have talked about this because you had the same issue back in 2016 that I had. I had it harder than you, to the point that one of my champions inside of YouTube, who I, who shall remain nameless, flat out told me, "You need to get off that channel."

• 34:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like the channel is, is an anchor.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  The channel is a boat anchor.

• 34:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  That's exactly what he said.

• 34:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  And I, let's just say, I, I can embrace change, but I'm very slow to embrace this kind of change. It was hard because I had 270,000 subscribers. You don't want to give that up.

• 34:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  And I think my audience, many of them are still confused. And part of the reason why I wanted to come on and talk to you is to kind of talk through it. But also I'm gonna have to message more to the audience because like when we put up, we put up that Porsche episode.

• 35:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  On Saturday, I'll post it to the old channel and people will come over and watch.

• 35:10Matt Farah?

  Right, but you should post some kind of a teaser or something. Uh, but basically, the way YouTube works is they need new creators, right? They need constant, a constant influx of new people starting channels, right? Like, and and they simultaneously know that if you've had a channel and you've been making videos consistently for 10 years or whatever, you're not fucking going anywhere. It would take a real big squeeze to get you to fuck off and go back to a regular person job. So they can squeeze the shit out of you in that channel and they know you're not gonna leave. And if you make a new channel,

• 35:54Matt Farah?

  their goal is to give exactly what happened to you. A huge adrenaline shot of showing that video to new people that don't recognize the channel and don't really care. They're seeing this video, YouTube's pushing it because they want you to get that big number and go, "Yes." But they don't know you're you. They don't know that you also have been doing this before.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  A huge point here, I want to say something. I separated absolutely everything.

• 36:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like all new email addresses and shit, right?

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I even tried to change the AdSense account. They won't let you change the AdSense account.

• 36:27Matt Farah?

  Right, so maybe they kinda know you're you, but even with a new channel, I think it maybe it doesn't matter within the system.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Please, Mr. YouTube Gods, don't.

• 36:37Matt Farah?

  Right, but like.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  I'm not Motoman TV.

• 36:38Matt Farah?

  They need a new creator to get hooked with that fucking $5 rock, right?

• 36:44Speaker 01

  So you're basically saying that they are the drug dealer and we are the addicts.

• 36:48Matt Farah?

  Yes, we are not, we're not in the business anymore of making video that our content, that our subscribers are interested in. Our job is to trick a computer into putting, shoving our shit in front of people.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  That part I realized a couple of years ago.

• 37:05Matt Farah?

  The reason it's like, when you amass a bunch of subscribers, you get a fucking plaque on the wall, whatever. The baggage of, and I have it too, like I should burn my channel to the ground and start a new one. But like, the baggage of it, you know, the brag of it. The outside ad deals, which you probably, you know, you have, those are based on kinda your subscribers. But like, the number of subscribers you have in 2025 doesn't mean a fucking thing.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 37:32Matt Farah?

  Even the advertisers aren't looking at your subscribers, they're looking at the traffic on your last, you know, 10 videos.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  They're looking at the views, they're looking at the engagement, the number of comments and the like ratio.

• 37:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they don't, and the locations.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  A lot of my viewers were confused by this. How could you leave 268,000 subscribers?

• 37:47Matt Farah?

  It doesn't mean anything.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  And it means, it literally means nothing.

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's all ego.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  And if you look at the number, we were able to port over 1% in one day on both channels. Which, way beyond my wildest expectations.

• 37:59Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, my guess is, after a year, you'll have probably captured.

• 38:07Matt Farah?

  Thirty percent of your subscribers from the other channel. And in my opinion, those were probably the thirty percent that were A. Real people and B. Still active and engaged anyway.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  The big difference now? I'm getting this like the past two weeks, which is, it's been two weeks.

• 38:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  I'm getting so many like inbound DMs, comments like, "Oh my god, this, you know, this guy is great," or "Oh my god, I've never seen your stuff. How have I never seen your stuff?"

• 38:39Matt Farah?

  Because the, because the, because the fucking program got in the way. The program's been in the way.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:47Matt Farah?

  That's why all this is shit now.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  It happened to a friend of mine, uh, at the same time, uh, Spanky Valentine. She's a very talented singer. And she too was based at the YouTube Space LA, which I came to visit me a couple of times across the street here. And-

• 39:01Matt Farah?

  I wish I had use for it. I have the right to use everything in there and I can't find-

• 39:05Speaker 01

  They're done. They shut it down in 2020. No more. They just, now it's a Google Office.

• 39:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, really? Oh, I didn't even know that.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  So she had more subs, back in the day when this happened to me, it was a hundred and forty thousand subs. She had five hundred thousand subs and her views went to almost zero.

• 39:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  She was smarter than me. She did what I'm doing now, like overnight, and now she's at like two million subs on two channels.

• 39:28Matt Farah?

  So did, was, what, what, what did she experience that caused the views to drop off that dramatically? That's pretty abrupt.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  This was, this was right at the same, that adpocalypse in July of 2016 where everybody kinda went through the same thing. Unfortunately, the way it was explained to me, we, we, actually you and I talked about it, but way back in the day.

• 39:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, I'm sure it happened. I just-

• 39:52Speaker 01

  It definitely happened.

• 39:53Matt Farah?

  Lot of weed, lot of years, my friend.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  And no hair.

• 39:56Matt Farah?

  2016, fuck me.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  We've known each other for a long time.

• 40:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  We met at SEMA, and I'm trying to remember what year it was. As I was driving up here, by the way, the thing I wanted to tell you when I walked in- I left like an hour to get here, cause it's LA.

• 40:10Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  I got here in like thirty minutes. There was no traffic.

• 40:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  None.

• 40:14Matt Farah?

  It's been nice.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Like zero traffic.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  Cause the rain this morning kept all the fuckheads home.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  I was grateful for it, so I had to sit around.

• 40:20Matt Farah?

  Loved seeing the rain this morning. I had coffee outside under the eve of my house, the little, the overhang.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Love the backyard. Love the, and I love the green in the kitchen.

• 40:29Matt Farah?

  Rain, rain into a pool is a really nice.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Did you know that there is a thing where you can go to a pool and it has a cover over it? And you can sit in a storm and you pay to sit in a storm?

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry, wait. So you, the pool had?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  So it's like a, imagine like a pool on like the thirtieth story of a building.

• 40:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  And then.

• 40:54Matt Farah?

  Has a roof.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  And it has a.

• 40:55Matt Farah?

  It's an indoor pool.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  There's no glass at the edge and then above it, there is a way for it to rain in the pool. So you sit there in a storm and you pay for this?

• 41:10Matt Farah?

  And how is this different than if I just go in my own pool in the rain? I'm just wondering.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  My girlfriend was showing me like her vacation dream thing on Instagram. She shows me this thing and I'm like.

• 41:19Matt Farah?

  That's a, that's like a, no one's paying for that.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Why would you do this?

• 41:22Matt Farah?

  Unless it's like in Dubai and they're literally making the storm.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  It's entirely possible. I don't remember where it is. No, no, it was in LA.

• 41:28Matt Farah?

  You are paying because we make the weather for you.

• 41:32Matt Farah?

  We fire missiles into the clouds right above hotel. It rain just on this pool.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Your accent is very good. That's the Sephardic side of you.

• 41:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I tell everybody to get in pools during storms. That's a great fucking idea.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Genius idea. So, um, so Spanky, she, um, it happened at the same time for her. And again, this champion who shall remain nameless.

• 41:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Knew us both.

• 42:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  peeled us both off one day and said you both need to get off your channels.

• 42:06Matt Farah?

  No, but like what, why, what happened?

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Cause we were taken and put in a box and they were testing like, cause the, the YouTube always screws with the algorithm. They're always, every three months they're changing something.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  And usually if something doesn't work, they're like, okay, we're gonna unscrew this channel. We're gonna unscrew this change. That never happened for her, me and a couple of other folks.

• 42:29Matt Farah?

  You just got like, they just got forgotten about?

• 42:32Speaker 01

  It just got left in this box.

• 42:34Matt Farah?

  So that's, you know what's really funny? Um, I could see how that could happen. It's weird that it could happen to, that it would happen to like individual channels. Like that doesn't make sense. There must have been a whole fucking folder of channels.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  It was a bucket of channels. It wasn't like, we don't like this Greek.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  It was a bucket of channels because they wanted to test it.

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cause it's not like the twenties. They like Greeks now. It's not, it's, if you were, if you were Mexican, it would be a completely different story.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  They know that we run the pizza joints, even though you think they're called Sal's Pizza. It's really owned by a Greek.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  Really funny.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Oh, I went to Sal's in the Marinerak on Monday.

• 43:08Matt Farah?

  Isn't it?

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Oh, I always go there.

• 43:10Matt Farah?

  But I'm still team sunrise and right, but Sal's in the Marinerak is excellent. I, I, listen, cause Carl always said back in the day.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  If you go into a pizza place, there's Italians running that joint, get the fuck out and find a pizza place run by some Greeks.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  I knew I liked that guy for a reason.

• 43:28Matt Farah?

  He was really smart. Sunrise.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Sunrise.

• 43:31Matt Farah?

  Sal's in the Marinerak, by the way, is an Italian mafia joint. Sunrise, fucking Greeks.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  That's why they've got that second empty storefront. Yeah, there's nothing there.

• 43:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. No, it legit was a mafia joint. Back in the day it was. Back in the day it was, yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  You could toast.

• 43:48Matt Farah?

  Uh, I don't know about today. I make no accusations, but back, back in 98, shit was going down in that joint.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  See, this wouldn't happen to the mob. They would, they would actually just fix things. Where I didn't want to sit there and like, I didn't want to say it's the algorithm.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  I, I, I'm the kind of guy that wants like, you have control of your destiny. So I'm like, I'm gonna change this, I'm gonna change this, and I evolve things over time. And then finally, I'm like, I think I need to change the channel. And it took way too long to make that change.

• 44:15Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  And it was one of these things like, let's, I hired two guys now, I got, I don't do the editing anymore, I don't do the shooting anymore. You can see that in the episodes, even in the way in which we do the, the design and all that kinda stuff, but-

• 44:29Matt Farah?

  See if I can fucking play some of this on mute.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  We literally, uh, yeah, which one should you say? Oh, actually, you know, pull up this, oh, they, we shot this car in front of Mark Wahlberg's house. This is, Mark Wahlberg built this house in Beverly Hills.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is the one with the fucking church in the back and shit, isn't it?

• 44:45Speaker 01

  No, there's no church in this one.

• 44:46Matt Farah?

  Not?

• 44:46Speaker 01

  No, this one's ninety-one million dollars, this house.

• 44:49Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  It only has a four-car garage, though. I'm very disappointed in it. Um, go to the Porsche episode, it's a, it's a cooler opening. My, my guy did something cool on that.

• 44:58Matt Farah?

  We're not gonna watch your videos on my podcast, George, I just wanna make sure.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  I want the view. I gotta, I gotta pay for the gas to come up here.

• 45:03Matt Farah?

  I need the one!

• 45:04Speaker 01

  I need the view.

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, um, the, okay, so, the, the, so you basically, you guys are saying you got, that, that you and many people, potentially even me, got stuck in a bucket of shit. Now, I don't thi- I think I fucked my own channel by doing the podcast thing. At, at a time when that was, it the worst possible time to do that. And I just think that it was, uh, it was unable to recover afterwards.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Was there a noticeable difference once you moved everything off and it was just cars on smoking tire?

• 45:41Matt Farah?

  For a while.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Like, what's a while?

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  Six months.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  And then it went back?

• 45:47Matt Farah?

  Not all the way back, but, but, yeah, I mean, it just, it, once shorts started becoming a thing, and, you know, once, once it really became, uh, uh, once it fully, fully became about-

• 46:02Matt Farah?

  For the audience, what's in my feed and not what am I subscribed to? That was really the the end of it. Yeah.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  That's one of the big things we're seeing here. All of like, look at this. This thing's done ninety thousand views in a week.

• 46:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  And this never would have done that on my old channel.

• 46:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  And it's a year old car.

• 46:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and and.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  With three thousand subscribers.

• 46:25Matt Farah?

  And three hundred and forty nine comments. I mean, that's it's it's good. I mean, look, so.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  These are all like my so to give you an idea, I've got this amazing, the guy runs my post production names Brett. He is amazing. And Brett, you know, he was hired to do post production. He made this presentation to me like he put together a PowerPoint. And basically, his PowerPoint was the channel is what he called it nerfed. And I know we've already reimagined the episodes to make them look like this, make them feel different, look different. Although it's still the bits that I've done for years. It's still me, it's still options game, that kind of stuff.

• 47:01Matt Farah?

  That's what you're learning is it doesn't fucking matter what's in the video. Your your audience is a piece of software. It's not people.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  This is what this is what I've learned now over, I want to say it to that. Let me step back even further. January two thousand twenty five. I don't know if we discussed this because we we I mean, what the audiences knows, we see each other a lot. Just you come to my cigar lounge. I come up here. We have cigars. We have dinner with your wife.

• 47:23Matt Farah?

  Work.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  It's not work. And we've talked about this off camera. And I made the decision last year, I am going to reimagine my business. And that meant going dark. So as of January of two thousand twenty five, I literally turned it off. And hired these two guys, retooled everything and put the strategy together. The one thing I didn't take into account that I was still on the fence. I was like, OK, I should probably move, but I need data. And Brett put together a presentation on if we continue down this path, these are the numbers. If we go here, these are the numbers and here's all my supporting evidence. And it was such a compelling case. I'm like, OK, so we shut down for another seven weeks.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Did all this and got ahead. Now we're like six weeks ahead on both channels. And the the I'm grateful to the audience like. Or I should say the computer that's putting me in front of a new audience because now the algorithm is finally working.

• 48:20Matt Farah?

  Well, I I will be very interested to see. How long the algorithm supports you?

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 48:29Matt Farah?

  And if you notice, um,

• 48:34Matt Farah?

  how, you know, how, what, what, you know, what tracks, what doesn't track? Um, we know, I know for sure that, that the software gives you a big hit on your first video on a new channel. It does. Unless that video was like-

• 48:52Speaker 01

  We don't know that for certain, actually.

• 48:54Matt Farah?

  I absolutely do. If you're, if you make a video, a new channel,

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:57Matt Farah?

  And you put up a professional looking video, and you have enough social media presence where you can get a, a base, a small amount of traction right away.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  What about the guy, what about the guy walking down the street that wants to start a YouTube channel? That has no, nothing?

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  The, if you, I, I think, I don't know about from zero, zero, from zero skill, from zero anything.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:19Matt Farah?

  But I know that, I know for sure that when people who have a basic knowledge of how to make a video,

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 49:26Matt Farah?

  And they make a new channel, and make their fir-, put their first video up, that video gets a disproportionately high amount of traffic.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  So what I've learned, and you make a good point, cause it's, it's true, has nothing to do with subscribers.

• 49:40Matt Farah?

  Nothing.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Let me say that again to my audience, has nothing to do with subscribers.

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  No, and like, doesn't mean there aren't actual, real people that enjoy your content, there are. But, but like, you're not going to reach them on a level without getting through the fucking computer first.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  That's changed in two, that's what changed in 2016.

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  It went from subscribers, meaning you got a straight pipe to your subscribers, to now it's an algorithm that's basing it on a like-view ratio, audience retention, all this stuff. And it's, it's added beyond that, where, again, the learning here and retooling the episodes, I'm still, the episodes kinda look and feel the same way, they're just much higher quality. What's different is, I focus, when I think about a car I'm gonna shoot, the first thing I think about, the title, the thumbnail, and the first thirty seconds. Everything is after that.

• 50:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Absolutely everything else. Like, we knew what that thumbnail and that car was gonna be before we went and shot it.

• 50:39Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  We knew what we were gonna do for the first thirty seconds. And that, as a result, the audience retention is up thirty percent on everything, even on the old channel, actually. Cause we did nine of the new Foreman episodes on the old channel. One of them blew up.

• 50:54Matt Farah?

  I bet.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Decently, okay.

• 50:56Matt Farah?

  I bet you could make new thumbnails and create a stinger, a thirty, fifteen to thirty second stinger. Beginning of your old videos.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:08Matt Farah?

  Re-upload them to the new channel and trick the algorithm into not knowing the difference.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Who says I'm not doing that?

• 51:14Matt Farah?

  You should.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:15Matt Farah?

  I mean, you probably, you should.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  We're gonna start.

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  If you're not already, you certainly should.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  There's one of those episodes, we can't do that because the algorithm did show it's.

• 51:22Matt Farah?

  You don't need to do with every, but you should take, you should take your, certainly your thirty, the, the, the, the top thirty or top, you know, whatever, twenty-five percent of your videos and, and, and port them over with just copying that.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  And what was fascinating, it wasn't just this twenty minute episode, which is kind of the sweet spot for me. The hour and a half first podcast is at like seventy thousand views on YouTube, hour and a half.

• 51:48Matt Farah?

  And it's just of, it's just, oh, is it Bob, the Bob Lutz? Yeah, okay.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, I mean.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Give you an idea, my Bob Lutz before that was only fifty thousand views.

• 51:57Matt Farah?

  What about, did you change anything about the audio feed of the podcast? Is there an audio only feed, is it only on YouTube?

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, absolutely.

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  And, and is that consistent from before or after? You didn't change that when you changed the YouTube, right, for the podcast?

• 52:10Speaker 01

  We changed, I changed the name, it's no longer inside the Motoman Studio, it's Motoman TV Podcast.

• 52:15Matt Farah?

  Right, but is it an entirely new feed or did you just change the banner on the old?

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Well, actually, it's an entirely new feed.

• 52:20Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:21Matt Farah?

  So.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Cause we wanted to support video.

• 52:24Matt Farah?

  Okay, so how does, how do the numbers on the audio version of that episode compare to the audio?

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Oh, nowhere near the seventy thousand, but respectable.

• 52:35Matt Farah?

  Significantly above what you would have done before? Cause podcast, audio feed podcast is non-algorithmic.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  I understand.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Um, right now, it's below what we did before.

• 52:47Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Cause it's a totally new one.

• 52:48Matt Farah?

  Alright, so that, that does make sense. Okay, so this, so you just, yeah, you've just seen the power of the fucking YouTube push.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 52:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:56Speaker 01

  Very much so.

• 52:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's real.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Very much so.

• 52:58Matt Farah?

  Whereas it's, it, they, it, what I really like about podcasting is how much less it relies on that. You know, we have the real subscribers that get fed everything we make. And it it works, but I'm glad it's working so far for you. And I'm really gonna be interested to see. You know, not look, not that you don't deserve the views, not that there aren't, you know, not that all the people that liked. You know, the three thousand likes or in the comment, not that those aren't like real people. Just that like the reality of fucking YouTube now and what's so shitty about it is. You have to fucking. Like figure out how to fucking song and dance a piece of software.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  You gotta dance for dinner.

• 53:40Matt Farah?

  Just to get to these, it's like it's crazy.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  It's crazy. When I have to think about thumbnails first.

• 53:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  And in fairness, this is one of these things that I just kind of learned over time and realized let's. Let me evolve some of this stuff and I did on my own. But I realized and this is a big thing that I kind of learned from you and some other folks. Like you're very smart about working on your business, not in your business. I was too much working in my business. And as a result.

• 54:07Matt Farah?

  I think that's not true about me, but okay, go on.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  No, you've got Zach to do this. You got the guys downstairs.

• 54:14Matt Farah?

  I mean, yes, I mean, I. I went for.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Take the compliment.

• 54:18Matt Farah?

  All right, but I went for a very long time before Zach came on full time. It it was it it.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  Doing it all yourself.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  And that's what I was doing for too long. Now.

• 54:30Matt Farah?

  This the shop would not be possible.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  But now I can think these things through. Now, instead of pissing on fires all day.

• 54:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  I can stop and take a drink of water and say, what do I want to do with this?

• 54:40Matt Farah?

  Sure, yes, I there is something to be said for when you don't have to do everything. You can think about the things you are doing a lot better. And I struggle with that a lot. Every time I have to film the car by myself, which I still have to regularly. And you know, you're you're trying to crawl all over this hot car to set up the cameras. You have to also appear on camera thirty seconds after that, so don't get dirty, don't get sweaty, don't get out of breath. You have to remember everything and make sure the audio is good and all the cameras are running. It's, it's, it's not impossible and look, people dig ditches for a living.

• 55:21Matt Farah?

  I'm just saying that there's a reason the fucking actor isn't also the director, isn't also the sound guy in a movie. Like there's, because people that are gonna be really good at their jobs should only be doing one of those things.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  I would be interested to see, and I think I'm getting some of that feedback with some of the new people watching. Uh, I feel like, it's gonna sound ridiculous, I wasn't having fun with it for like three or four years. I genuinely wasn't enjoying what I was doing. Now I enjoy it again.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  Good.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  It's a huge difference. It's like, um, I feel like, um, this is like a toy every morning I come in and kinda see the comments and interacting with the folks again. And, not that I don't love the guys who are like, I've got this, I got a group of folks who have been loyal folks for years. I got Amro in Saudi Arabia, I got Javi in Spain, I got this guy in Cali. Get this, you wanna hear something funny? So, you know I'm very involved in my church. I do invite you every year to the Greek festival, you'd never come. This year, another record year, we had 12,000 people, we made like 600 grand, it's a crazy deal.

• 56:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so you don't even have time for me.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  No, we need you to come.

• 56:26Matt Farah?

  You have 5,000, 5,999 other friends.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  It's the best kinda fundraiser, cause we have fun. So, this is, wha- wha- what's so fascinating about this, I'm trying to lose my, I'm losing my train of thought of where I was going with the, the, the festival side of it.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know, I just had a brain fart.

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  You invite me to the festival, you're involved in your church.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  Involved in the church, where was I going with this?

• 56:51Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll come back to it.

• 56:54Matt Farah?

  Right. Um, let's go to the people, because there are, the people have something to say. Alright, that's what I do, that's, I, I inspire you by talking about something else.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  It's about the person. So get this, you know, this is, these are the kinda viewers I've got. I got this one guy, his name is David. I'm not gonna use his last name, cause I don't, I don't wanna, people, I don't wanna, uh, get him out there, but, I, this guy's been watching for a solid like eight, 10 years. He's big, he's got an E63S wagon, he's got an Aston Martin, runs the Cars and Coffee out in the inland empire, comes every year to that Greek festival, makes a donation to the church, brings me a box of cigars.

• 57:28Matt Farah?

  That's awesome.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Thank you, David.

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  Don't abandon him. Make sure he knows about the new channels.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  And that's why we're getting him over there.

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  Make sure he knows about the new channels.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Anyway, that's my point was...

• 57:37Matt Farah?

  Those, whatever, thirty-six-hundred people that showed up on day one.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:42Matt Farah?

  That's your, that's the one percent of your hardcore. Those are your, those are your day-one people. We had, when we did, when we started the Patreon.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:52Matt Farah?

  We had, we had a, one of those, and we made the new podcast channel. We had, it's the same, the one to two percent, your most hardcore, they'll follow you into the grave.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  So the point was, I still love those guys. Love having those conversations, but now to see new people come in and have passionate conversations, it's great. I love it.

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  Good. Go, go fucking like and subscribe, people. We've got, uh, hang on, I'll pull that up. We've got Motoman TV Cars, and then we've got, um, we've got Motoman TV Podcast. I just had to make sure I had the fucking website up. Bob Lutz interview, um, is up now. Seventy fucking K, and then, uh...

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Oh, you want to hear something funny with that one?

• 58:32Matt Farah?

  Uh-huh.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  So I was up in Michigan for the, the annual Bob Bonifus Cars in My Yard Party. This is all like the key people shaping the car world at every car company, not just GM. They bring, the rule is, you gotta bring your own personal car, and you park it in this guy's backyard. He's got a two-acre backyard in Detroit, suburban Detroit, and you just sit there, and you drink beer, and you bullshit, and you have White Castle. Well, now it's Pizza. White Castle is too lowbrow for the crew now. So I was there for that. Reached out to Bob. Bob and I get together every year, and we have cigars. I'm like, "Hey, Bob, you wanna do another shoot?" He's like, "Absolutely." So I'm all excited to shoot with Bob. I haven't shot with Bob in a couple of years. I'm getting ready that morning. I'm in the shower. My back gives out.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  I had to crawl on all fours to get the hell out of the shower. I'm crawling out to this Golf R that I was driving, could barely get in the car. I drive over to his place. Bob Lutz, ninety-three years old, is walking circles around.

• 59:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  I could barely, if you look at the episode, you see I don't move at all, because my back was in epic pain the entire time. And he's just sitting there having a cigar, having a great afternoon.

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  That's cra- I remember I met Dick Van Dyke once.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:44Matt Farah?

  And I was having back pain at the time, and he was like 92.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  And he literally like tap danced on the picnic table that we were sitting at. It was like.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  The man wrote a book.

• 59:54Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Always keep moving.

• 59:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  That's a, that's a secret.

• 59:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  And then we shot in front of his, he owns Viper GTS Coupe 002, VIN number two.

• 1:00:03Matt Farah?

  That's a good car.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Matt Farah?

  Every time, every, once a year or so, I think I would like a Viper.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  I don't want one.

• 1:00:09Matt Farah?

  And then I sit in one and I go, nope. Uh, let's go to the people. Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is how you ask us questions for the show. It's where you would normally catch the live stream. Sorry, Zach's gone. I can only handle three jobs at once. Can't do four. And, uh.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  Do we have questions?

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Oh, we do have questions?

• 1:00:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Oh, this is great.

• 1:00:29Matt Farah?

  It's how you get, it's how you get the, how you get the show early. It's how you get the show without ads. It's how you get extra show and it's how you get exclusive access.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  I think I need to might just steal that idea from you.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  What, Patreon?

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  It's not my idea. Patreon is good. Patreon is incredibly, the only reason we are able to continue doing this hot program is because of Patreon.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  It is on our roadmap. I will say that.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  We, we, about two months ago, Patreon now brings in more revenue than advertising.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Like, hold on a minute, let's be clear.

• 1:00:57Matt Farah?

  Raw dollars, every month.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Or the ads you sell outside of YouTube?

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  Podcast, on the podcast.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  The ads you sell outside.

• 1:01:04Matt Farah?

  Plus AdSense, Patreon is more than all of that together now.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  I gotta get off my ass.

• 1:01:09Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  I got that one.

• 1:01:10Matt Farah?

  One percent, dude.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  One next year.

• 1:01:11Matt Farah?

  That's your one percent. This is, if someone, people ask all the time, if, if the, by far, any plan on Patreon, doesn't need to be the 20 bucks a month. Even the fucking four dollar joint, you are approximately 1,000x more valuable than any other listener. If I, if I'm selling you ads, if you're, if you're sitting through every ad on every YouTube video versus just giving us four dollars a month. You're at least 1,000x more valuable as listener.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  We're gonna have to.

• 1:01:42Matt Farah?

  1,000x more valuable as listener. Um, anyway.

• 1:01:46Matt Farah?

  And then we get to answer your questions on the show.

• 1:01:50Matt Farah?

  Let's see, okay. All thrust, no vector says, I've got a Golf R, but I drove an ND3 Miata and I'm considering getting rid of the Golf R for the Miata for a daily. The Golf is close to needing new tires and coming up on a 60,000 mile service. Do you think if I do those items, would I get the money out of it if I sold the car at auction? Or at trade? Or how do I get rid of the Golf to maximize what you get rid of it? I would say, try to trade it in as is. Don't you, you never fucking service a car to trade it in. Try to trade it in as is, see what they give you for it. Then,

• 1:02:35Matt Farah?

  look at cars and bids and bring a trailer, sold Golf Rs. The ones where they sell. And see like, close to yours, find a comp, like what does it go for? And then figure out how much are the tires and how much are the, is the end? My guess is, it's probably worth it to do the end, the service, but not the tires if you're going to sell it at auction.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Well, it depends on the miles.

• 1:02:58Matt Farah?

  60K miles.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  And what year is it?

• 1:03:02Matt Farah?

  Doesn't say.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Okay, so let's say 60K is low miles, I would do the tires if you're selling it at auction. If you are not selling at auction, I wouldn't do any of it.

• 1:03:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, no, no, if you're trading it in, don't do shit.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  Cause a Golf R is the kind of the car, again, let's, let's say it's a seven year old, eight year old Golf R, it's low miles. If that's the case, then what I would do is I would do all of it, get the pictures professionally taken and the car's going to do well at auction.

• 1:03:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it does. If it's a, it's two years old with 60K, trade it in, fucking dump it. If it's eight years old with 60K, service new tires, a good detail and photos and you're going to do well.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  By the way, the new Golf R, the 8.5 Golf R, that's what I had in Michigan when I couldn't drive or couldn't walk. They changed the verberry seats. It's not the usual beautiful tartan like in my car.

• 1:03:50Matt Farah?

  What is it now?

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  It's like a modern tartan that looks like it has a surfboard that goes through it. It's terrible.

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, bummer.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Please change that Volkswagen.

• 1:03:57Matt Farah?

  Bummer.

• 1:03:59Matt Farah?

  Jews control the weather tech.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  Is that you? You guys have the question?

• 1:04:05Matt Farah?

  No, that's the username.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  That's the username?

• 1:04:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we encourage, you know, edgy.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Oh, this is on Patreon?

• 1:04:13Matt Farah?

  Patreon, these are Patreon.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Jews control the weather tech.

• 1:04:15Matt Farah?

  It's the name of this Patreon user.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  You know what? Respect for the craziness of this guy. I like this guy.

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, sailing question. Have we seen the new Benito First 30?

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Does he know I was a sailor?

• 1:04:25Matt Farah?

  He doesn't know you were a sailor, but, uh, I haven't seen the new Benito First 30. Let's take a look at it.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  Let's take a look at it. Benito's a stunning boat.

• 1:04:34Matt Farah?

  I do like Benito's in general. Um, nice looking boat. Uh, it's got a tiller, open transom. Let's look in the interior.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:04:44Matt Farah?

  Decent looking V-berth.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  It looks like a six footer can stand up in that thing.

• 1:04:47Matt Farah?

  I like what they're doing with, uh-oh, what's happened here? I like what they're doing, uh, with the interior. Uh, it's a nice looking boat.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  It, I will tell you, it doesn't have that, that very trademark Benito look to it, though.

• 1:05:03Matt Farah?

  It looks like they've knocked off a J-boat, but without, it looks like a J-105, but without the bow sprit a little bit.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  It's missing the true Benito windows off to the side.

• 1:05:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  That's what's, there was, we were, we stayed in Sag Harbor and there was a, I had to have been a 60-foot Benito.

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what, it looks nice. It looks nice going, looking the other way. If you're standing at the front, looking at the back.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good looking.

• 1:05:28Matt Farah?

  It looks, so these, these, a Benito is a pretty, it's, it's, it's

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  French boat.

• 1:05:33Matt Farah?

  Mass market by, uh, yacht standards. A lot of the charter and rental boats are, are these Benito's.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Matt Farah?

  But the newest, they are made well. I mean, they're, they're, they're built really well.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  One of these guys, one of those pilots has a Benito as well.

• 1:05:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Oh, I gotta get this, so you'll appreciate this. I went to the, as I told you, I went to Bridge. And of course, you know, we go to the different dinners and they sat us down next to the, one of the sponsors who runs this boat company. It's kinda like the share thing you have where you share the boats.

• 1:06:04Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  But it's not like you where you run the boat. You get, it's like a 46 or 48 foot boat and you get a captain. And you pay one price and it they give you, you have unlimited days. But here's the thing that's unique about it. The boats are like birds. They migrate from the north to the south.

• 1:06:23Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  So they have the boats, a pool of them in Nantucket, Boston, Hampton, Chicago, Great Lakes. And then they move them down to South Carolina, Florida, and the Virgin Islands.

• 1:06:34Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Every year they back and forth.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  And you just charter them there.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  And here's the thing, they're like sold out. Like they have too many members and not enough boats.

• 1:06:42Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  They're trying to build the boats faster. The company's like 10 years old.

• 1:06:47Matt Farah?

  What's the name of it again?

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  Dog and Evans, I think, or I had the guy, the owner, super cool guy, used to be a Volvo guy, by the way. Loves old Volvo station wagons, now drives a Rivian.

• 1:06:57Matt Farah?

  We've just, uh, reserved a 50-foot catamaran in the British Virgin Islands for March.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  March?

• 1:07:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:07:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for, for my wife and I.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Is the whole family?

• 1:07:10Matt Farah?

  It's me and my wife, Zach and Sarah, my buddy Tim, and my sister-in-law, Jillian.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 1:07:15Matt Farah?

  It's four cabins, four staterooms, big fu- big boat.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:07:19Matt Farah?

  It's nice, yeah.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  Very nice.

• 1:07:20Matt Farah?

  So I captain and, uh, you know, because, because we don't need a captain and my, and my sister-in-law Jillian is a professional-grade chef, um, you know, she runs the galley, I run the fucking boat, and it's like, cheap.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Well, Jackie and I wanna come.

• 1:07:34Matt Farah?

  Shockingly cheap.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:07:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, well, you, you listen, you're talking 10 days on a boat, it's, it's a, you know, it's a big boat, but with eight people. It gets small quick, you gotta, we gotta, we have to audition everybody.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  (laughing).

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  Like, and people have to approve, you know, my buddy wants to bring his, he's dating a new person.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Matt Farah?

  And he, he was, we went last time and he was single, now he's got a new person, so we need to like, audition her.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  So dinners?

• 1:07:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  I get it, you can't go, you can't run away, totally understand.

• 1:08:03Matt Farah?

  Um, but Jews control the weather techs are, is under the impression that this is a foiling boat, but I don't see any evidence that this is a foiling boat. This looks like a regular boat.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  Uh...

• 1:08:13Matt Farah?

  I don't see, I...

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  I'm not the s- no, no.

• 1:08:15Matt Farah?

  I don't see any foils.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Off the back.

• 1:08:18Matt Farah?

  That's a rudder.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  That's not the rudder.

• 1:08:20Matt Farah?

  That is a rudder. This is a hundred percent a fucking rudder.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a rudder, dual rudder.

• 1:08:26Matt Farah?

  It has dual rudders, it's a tiller with dual rudders, but that's not a foiling boat. It looks nice, but it's not a foiling boat.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  The two-tone, that's pretty cool looking.

• 1:08:34Matt Farah?

  I do like the two-tone.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  I do like the two-tone.

• 1:08:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I love a light blue hull.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Oh, you and me both.

• 1:08:39Matt Farah?

  Love it, love it.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  That's what this, like, what's the name of that? Evans, Doug and Evans, Evans and something. All their hulls are blue. And they make their own boats.

• 1:08:50Matt Farah?

  That's not right. Doug, Doug and Ev- uh, that ain't right. I don't know what it is, bro. They're sailboats?

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  They're not, they're not sailboats.

• 1:08:59Matt Farah?

  They're powerboats. Evans, Evans and Sons? Doug Wright?

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:09:04Matt Farah?

  Doug Wright, Doug Wright Powerboats is like fucking...

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  They're based in New England.

• 1:09:09Matt Farah?

  Evans Boats? I, I don't know, dude.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  I should've came more prepared.

• 1:09:13Matt Farah?

  You should've been more fucking prepared, man. Oh wait, Doug Evans? No, it's a guy. No, I don't know, man.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Maybe the last name is Doug or something.

• 1:09:20Matt Farah?

  I don't know, man.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  We'll figure it out.

• 1:09:22Matt Farah?

  Alright, uh...

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  I'll send you a link, you can put it in the meta.

• 1:09:24Matt Farah?

  Johnny E.V. Gerberman. Uh, George, if you sold your GT3, what would you trade it for?

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Um, you know what? I, I have a vision. If I could do this, I would wanna own a GTD for two years.

• 1:09:43Matt Farah?

  Hmm, I could see that.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I wanna go back into a GT3 after.

• 1:09:47Matt Farah?

  I bet the GTD after, you drove it, right? You drive it yet?

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:09:51Matt Farah?

  It's real good. It's a good time. It real, it's enormous, but other than being enormous, it's absolutely fabulous.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  I was a huge fan of the also-Canadian Ford GT.

• 1:10:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  And that is why I'm interested in it. I actually love the way it looks. I love it in the burgundy. I've already done the research with the people that kinda know the market. And the people I trust are telling me that it will follow the GT3RS market. So I, I wouldn't, I think it's very expensive for what it is, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't feel like I'd be losing money on a $400,000 Ford.

• 1:10:27Matt Farah?

  It's really expensive, but it's also, I think, pretty unique in the market. There really isn't anything that drives like that.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Is it that different?

• 1:10:37Matt Farah?

  Yes. Yes.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Give me three reasons why it's that different.

• 1:10:41Matt Farah?

  It's currently the only, um, really track focused, front engine, rear drive car on the market right now.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Um, does it feel like mid, a front mid engine kinda deal?

• 1:10:56Matt Farah?

  It, it's not that it feels front mid engine necessarily, but the 50 50 weight distribution is crucial to how nice it handles and it handles absolutely beautifully. Um, it takes curbs in a way that other cars up to and including the GT3 RS do not take curbs. It takes curbs much better than a GT3 RS.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  That's quite a statement.

• 1:11:23Matt Farah?

  In my opinion, it does.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  So now you've made it more interesting to me.

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  The, it's also more practical because it has seats that fold and you can put shit behind the seats.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  We can do that now with a GT3, a Touring. They do that.

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  The 992 dot two, you can, but a GT3 RS, you cannot. You will have to ideally wait for the next one.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  We haven't seen the new GT3 RS. We haven't seen the dot two GT3 RS.

• 1:11:46Matt Farah?

  We have not, but I mean, we can assume it will have the folding bucket seats like all of them.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  I would think so.

• 1:11:50Matt Farah?

  They only make one bucket seat. So, so anyway, I, I think it is, I think the GTD is extremely unique in the marketplace. And I think there are enough disproportionately wealthy Mustang enthusiasts to support it being valuable for a long time.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Oh, it will be sold out and I believe it will continue to increase in value. I don't think it will do what the GT did, like the, the 17 to 20 GT went after the first two years.

• 1:12:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  They, you were making a million dollars on that car, but now they're like eight, nine hundred grand. Maybe one, one, two for the Heritage livery where previously Heritage livery did one, five, one, six. And that was a $600,000 car.

• 1:12:36Matt Farah?

  Sure. I mean, I, I mean, I think it's stupid that they were able to flip for so much and I don't think it's a million dollar driving experience.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  It isn't.

• 1:12:45Matt Farah?

  Um, in fact, I drove one this past year after driving one back in the day and. My opinion doesn't really hold up in

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  But the point is, I think they've set, they've made a business case with that car, where you can feel safe saying, "Yeah, I think it's too much money for a Mustang, but I think it's money in the bank."

• 1:13:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think most people are confident that they will get their money out of it eventually.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  I mean, if you really want to return on your investment, you buy a 79 Cadillac Eldorado.

• 1:13:14Matt Farah?

  Dude, but it doesn't feel that different unless, until you start to like, you know, push it a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, driving on a high-

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Different in a good way.

• 1:13:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Driving on a highway, it's better than like a dark horse, but it kind of resembles a GT500 from a year or two ago.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Does it do the GT3 trick, whether it's a touring or a wing car? I am, I am of the belief, and I know I sound biased because I am an owner, but I feel that a GT3 is a more supple ride, ride quality experience around town because of that suspension. Meaning, it doesn't beat you up. It's unexpected in that it's a better ride quality than the regular 911s.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  It's not, though.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  I think it is.

• 1:14:04Matt Farah?

  It's definitely fucking not.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  Like, I feel-

• 1:14:06Matt Farah?

  There's no way. No, no.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  Okay, we disagree on this.

• 1:14:09Matt Farah?

  It has stiffer springs, it has lower ride, it has bigger wheels and lower profile tires.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  But it's more composed.

• 1:14:16Matt Farah?

  No, it's not.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  Totally disagree with you on this.

• 1:14:18Matt Farah?

  They're not.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  I'm talking-

• 1:14:19Matt Farah?

  The ST might be, but not the GT3. It's dirty.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  I'm talking around town. Like, right now, I'm driving this, this, the new, the DOT2S.

• 1:14:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  And I, I can go back to back between my car and this car, and for a daily, I would rather my car. Hundred percent.

• 1:14:36Matt Farah?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Not making that up because I'm biased.

• 1:14:38Matt Farah?

  The GT3 test cars I drove before, before the updated ST shit-

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:43Matt Farah?

  Were very dirty. And I didn't like that.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Oh, the steering was?

• 1:14:47Matt Farah?

  Steering was dirty.

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  Steering. I'm not talking about steering. I'm talking about ride quality.

• 1:14:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, I don't really, I don't really separate the two because they're both fucking annoying. I put them both in the box of annoying.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, tell me how you really feel.

• 1:14:59Matt Farah?

  No, the box of annoying is what keeps me from wanting to daily drive certain cars. That's all.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Do you daily, do you daily your spider?

• 1:15:07Matt Farah?

  My spider?

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:09Matt Farah?

  No. My spider has sixty-six hundred miles on it after two and a half years.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  We're about the same.

• 1:15:13Matt Farah?

  My spike, my fucking spider has about a three hundred pound fucking clutch on it. It's a full weight clutch to hold that power, so there's just no chance. I've been dailying the Manx.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Love that thing.

• 1:15:26Matt Farah?

  It's the fucking greatest. It is only, the only reason I didn't drive it today is because it rained this morning and I washed it yesterday.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:32Matt Farah?

  But I, I've been going back and forth between the Manx and the Vespa.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:15:35Matt Farah?

  Fucking need nothing else. It's great.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  It's been, I gotta tell you, it's, it's been beautiful, the weather for the past like two, three weeks here. And everybody's complaining and I'm saying in a month, you're gonna be complaining it's cold.

• 1:15:45Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  That's what happens in LA.

• 1:15:46Matt Farah?

  I like, I like fall very much. I have a lot of great light coats. Um, let's see, what else do we have here? Uh huh, uh uh uh.

• 1:16:01Matt Farah?

  Hmm. Interesting. Uli Kunkel's Autobahn.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Very good.

• 1:16:07Matt Farah?

  Got a sixty-seven Austin Healey.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:16:10Matt Farah?

  Mostly original. It's a driver, not a concourse car. The intention is to keep it as a family heirloom.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:16:17Matt Farah?

  Uh, the inline six is, uh, appears to be reaching the end of its life. Would you A. invest in a rebuild? B. swap in some type of V8? Or C. convert it to electric?

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  I have a view on this, on all these types of things. I am a big believer in your job as a car guy, a prudent car guy, is you are managing a fund. Now, for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not saying buy cars to make money. I'm saying buy what you love, but you wanna preserve as much of the value as possible, so you can continue to play the game. The idea is you wanna level up, and the best way to do that with a Healey is to keep it as original as possible.

• 1:17:06Matt Farah?

  I, I kind of agree. Ignore what I'm doing with my hands, George.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  You're buying me a watch?

• 1:17:11Matt Farah?

  I know, I'm just on the next, I'm on the next fucking thing, is what's happening.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  The next question.

• 1:17:17Matt Farah?

  I'm on the next question, I just wanna have the image ready, but I...

• 1:17:22Matt Farah?

  So, the intention is to maintain it as a family heirloom.

• 1:17:27Matt Farah?

  I would say, the first question is, which one of these three options do you actually want to drive? You, this is what, you know, do you, do, does the idea of a British Roadster EV, is that exciting to you? Is the idea of putting a V8 into this car exciting to you? Uh, or is the idea of like, keeping it as it was, but also like, if the engine sort of is fucked right now, I think you'd be shocked at how nice it is if you really restore it properly. So like, which of those things is most appealing to you? This is your money. You know, there's, yes, it's, it's a family heirloom, it has a, a financial value, maybe to somebody else besides yourself.

• 1:18:12Matt Farah?

  It has emotional value. Um, but I would say, a rebuild, a swap, or an EV conversion, you're probably talking forty, fifty thousand dollars.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  At least, and there's another piece that goes into it because it's British. And I learned this, uh, not the hard way, but I learned this when I got into the Lotus world. Uh, British cars are very specific about the way they're set up, and Miata's are the same thing. You don't want to put bigger wheels and tires, you don't want to put a lot more power in a car like that, because it disturbs the dynamics of a car like that more than it does like a Camaro.

• 1:18:47Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  And that's what, that's the one thing I would caution if you did want to spend fifty grand to repower the car.

• 1:18:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, Tacophile recently bought a Lioria Hyperion GMT watch. I have a photo of it here. Wondering where it falls on the tribute homage continuum. It's undeniably inspired by the Pepsi GMT, but I'm telling myself that it's not a copycat. Um, look, I got, I gotta say, I don't, I don't really see this as a copycat. I mean, obviously, it has the Pepsi bezel, which, look, at this point, everybody's done. I mean, Tudor, and Seiko, and Citizen, and like, every, Timex. Everyone's done a fucking Pepsi bezel, so just the, the presence of a Pepsi bezel does not a copycat make.

• 1:19:36Matt Farah?

  Date window's in a different position, the hands are a different shape. The case shape is very different. It's a flat link bracelet, not an oyster bracelet, there's no crown guards. I say this is not a homage or a tribute watch. I think this is a uniquely styled watch that like many other watches, happens to have a Pepsi bezel.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  I would agree with that.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  I would, if it were me, I would want something a little bit different. Like, actually, you talked about the Tudors that do this. A buddy of mine, the guy I went to Sal's Pizza with in Marinerneck. He has the Tudor version of this. That's titanium.

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the Tudor GMT is nice.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Gorgeous.

• 1:20:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, really nice.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  And it has a blue face. Oh, I wanted to take it from him.

• 1:20:24Matt Farah?

  So, I don't know how much this costs. I think, let's see.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  What are we talking about on these things?

• 1:20:28Matt Farah?

  Warrior Hyperion GMT, how much do you cost? You cost? Do we have a price?

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  We don't have a price, I guess it's free today.

• 1:20:37Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy, it must be, must be zero. Come on, man, no price?

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  Oh, there's no window on the back?

• 1:20:44Matt Farah?

  No. Uh, shit, oh, here, $6.99. Well, it's about a quarter, it's about a quarter to a sixth of the price of the Tudor, so.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  I mean, that's free.

• 1:20:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, for that kind of money, I think, I think it is not, for that kind of money, a lot of watches are like literal Rolex knockoffs.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  I feel like the market's changed, and this is, they know this about you, but they don't know that I'm a watch junkie as well. I feel like the entry point used to be here, and now it's kind of moved up into like the $1,200 range for something like this.

• 1:21:19Matt Farah?

  I disagree. I think we have a lot of micro brands and smaller brands now that are doing a really good job at the entry level of like $200 to $1,000. There's a lot of different stuff. Some of it is very derivative of Sekos and Omegas and shit like that. Other things are incredibly original and artistic. And...

• 1:21:45Matt Farah?

  You know, it's important that those that those brands exist. It's important that not everyone who wants a cheap watch only has like two options.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  But it's not really about having a cheap watch. Like you and I, I remember you and I, I asked you about, hey, man, where can I get that Seiko V with Arabian flair?

• 1:22:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:01Speaker 01

  And I couldn't get it. And long and short of the story, I ended up going to the Geneva Auto Show on a media trip.

• 1:22:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  And I searched far and wide in Doha, and I ended up going at like 8:00 PM to the distributor of Seiko.

• 1:22:15Matt Farah?

  Get out of here.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  And he ended up pulling two of them out of a shipping box that were already sold because I I told him that I I traveled all this way and I was buying the gift for me and my nephew for Christmas.

• 1:22:27Matt Farah?

  See, that's usually the lie you have to tell to get a Rolex, not a Seiko.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  It was the truth. And I gave the watch to my nephew and his parents were like, what are you doing to our nephew? Why are you giving him this watch? Because there it was, I think I paid 150 bucks for it. But here, they're worth 2 grand. If you're going on those, like, you look at certain colors, they're up 2 grand.

• 1:22:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, the one that I bought, you could still get on Amazon for like 250, 299.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  A Seiko V with the Arabian flair.

• 1:22:56Matt Farah?

  A black dial, Arabic numerals? Yeah. Yeah, it's like 250 dollar watch.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  I don't see it for 250.

• 1:23:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like 250. Maybe if there's some special colors you can't get, but the black dial, the black dial, basic ass shit, yeah.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  Love that. And so the reason why I bring it up, a watch doesn't need to be super expensive if it's unique.

• 1:23:14Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Just like the cars. You don't buy a car, you buy a story.

• 1:23:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, last one, and then we're gonna, oh, two more. Right four over crest says, just getting into cigars, and I'm interested in learning about hand-rolling them as a sort of zen-like hobby. Any advice or wisdom for someone with zero experience?

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  It's probably a good time to bring out the gift.

• 1:23:36Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  I gotta be honest with you, I am a cigar guy, I am a cigar aficionado and

• 1:23:42Matt Farah?

  Yes, we know this.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  I can't honestly tell you I know anything about rolling cigars my own, on my own, like I've watched it.

• 1:23:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  I know a woman to call here in LA to come to a party and she will roll cigars for you.

• 1:23:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, I've seen that too.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Um, uh, she is also a Bose girl that rolls cigars.

• 1:23:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  But I am not the person that would do that. However, there is a place you can go to in, believe it or not, Key West, Florida, and they will teach you how to do this.

• 1:24:05Matt Farah?

  Listen, Hamee, if you don't want to go to Key West, YouTube.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  You can YouTube anything.

• 1:24:11Matt Farah?

  Look, this, this channel right here, it looks like, uh, has, uh, what's the name of this channel? I just, I just found this right now.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Bliss Cigar Company.

• 1:24:21Matt Farah?

  Cigar Company, don't know where they're out of, but shout out to them. How to roll just fucking mad tutorials, dude. Mad tutorials.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  That's everything.

• 1:24:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  I wouldn't learn how to fly an airplane.

• 1:24:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, I'm not saying this seems like super easy, but like, uh, it seems like there are resources for you.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  I could see this being very therapeutic.

• 1:24:43Matt Farah?

  I bet it is.

• 1:24:44Speaker 01

  This might be a rat hole I go down and I might try it myself.

• 1:24:47Matt Farah?

  You ever meet a stressed out cigar roller?

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  Never.

• 1:24:50Matt Farah?

  Fuck are they doing?

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  No, it's like, it's like the old parable of the guy from Wall Street goes on vacation and like rural Mexico and he sees this guy fishing.

• 1:24:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  And he says, why don't you get more, a boat and you can catch more fish and then you can get more boats. And the guy keeps on asking, why, why should I get more boats? So you can have more time, do whatever you want. And he's looking at him, but I already do what I want.

• 1:25:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Matt Farah?

  My, this is my, my good friend, Marty, who exited the rat race because all he ever wanted to do was save up enough money to go fishing and scuba diving. Moved to Delray Beach and became a fishing and scuba diving guide and makes fucking

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Lovely town.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  Twelve dollars a year, but does the thing he wants to do every single day.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  And he lives in a, oh, hit this again. He lives in a wonderful, Delray Beach is lovely.

• 1:25:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's, yeah, it's, you know, it's Florida, but Florida's great if you're in the water every day. Uh, last one, everything clean but the ashtray. Uh, automotive writing question. Twenty year

• 1:25:46Matt Farah?

  I want to say this is supposed to say I'm a 20-year-old freelancer. I don't think you're a 20-year veteran freelancer. 20-year freelancer, 20-year-old freelancer who just started an automotive via Jalopnik. What can I do?

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Like Jalopnik today is still a thing?

• 1:26:01Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty sure, yeah, still a thing, yeah, still exists.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  I thought it was called the Utopian now.

• 1:26:07Matt Farah?

  No, some people from Jalopnik left and went to start the Utopian.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  Very familiar with that.

• 1:26:13Matt Farah?

  But there is still a Jalopnik, yes, absolutely.

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  Is it one of these that is run now by like a investment funds?

• 1:26:20Matt Farah?

  I don't know the exact structure of it, but like I do know that it exists and content is put out.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:26:26Matt Farah?

  Yes, I do know that.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I wish you the best.

• 1:26:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but question is, what can I do with that growing portfolio to basically get more gigs in the automotive space?

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Um, there are a number of things you could do there. The way I, the way I did approach-

• 1:26:42Matt Farah?

  Have you ever worked for anyone else?

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  Doing this?

• 1:26:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  When I first started, I would write and get my articles on a large men's lifestyle site called Crave, which now no longer exists.

• 1:26:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I remember that, yeah.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  And that was an opportunity for me to get a lot of reach early. Like, they had huge traffic. So I could, when I started, I could pick up the phone and say, hey, can I have a car? And people would say yes because I was with Crave. But the way I like to answer questions like this is I like to answer them like, how would I do it? How would I address the issue? And the way I did this was I treated it like a business. Many people who are in this world, they are in it for, hey, I can drive fancy cars or I can go travel for free. You know, they're in it for a certain lifestyle.

• 1:27:29Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  If you approach it like a business, you get up in the morning early, you have a routine that you start your day, and you spend, let's say, peel off an hour or two every single day where you're pitching and people are going to say no. At some point, you're gonna develop thirty, fifty, eighty outlets. That's what it takes now to be a freelancer. Because you're gonna have to find at least thirty outlets to be able to pitch to get, say, five stories sold a month.

• 1:28:00Matt Farah?

  The freelancers that I-

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  Short of like a Tim Stevens.

• 1:28:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the freelancers that I know who go on press launches will do the same car for like three or four different outlets.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:28:08Matt Farah?

  It's a lot.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  They will.

• 1:28:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a lot.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  But, they have thirty, forty outlets they can go to.

• 1:28:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  So the biggest thing I would say to you is you need to treat it like a business, but I would also, and this is where I think you and I are both very biased about this. I wouldn't wanna be in the freelance world. I would wanna figure out a way where you can create your own distribution, your own content, your own play, where you control your destiny, because with all due respect, and maybe this is too inside baseball, the numbers that freelance pays now, you can't eat.

• 1:28:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're not, it's not great, and also you can never count on the fact that like the fucking outlet won't go under, or whatever.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Or they won't pay you-

• 1:28:46Matt Farah?

  Or they won't pay you-

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  For six months.

• 1:28:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I would say the best thing you could do for yourself-

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:28:52Matt Farah?

  Is if you have traction at Jalopnik or whatever, somehow try to parlay that into your own social media outlets, or website, or whatever. And maybe, you know, use that to create your own thing, and/or, like George said, you know, figure out who is the web editor for various outlets, and that usually you can find that with very basic research. And don't just send them your portfolio, cuz they're not gonna like come find you. You have to like, actually like write a story or something, a cultural criticism, or a

• 1:29:32Matt Farah?

  a non-car review piece, and send it in and go, "Hey, I'd like to, you know, pitch this story, or this story, that you've already written but haven't appeared anywhere yet."

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  Another big aspect about this is you have to understand something called the integrity of your product. When you're first starting, you probably do wanna give away a little bit for free, so you get your name out there-

• 1:29:53Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  So you can network with the car manufacturers, whoever you're trying to get access with. However, there is a point at which you have to say no to what I call "maintain the integrity of your product", where you no longer can give away the content for free, or even at a low rate.

• 1:30:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  There are unfortunately many- Freelancers that are taking like, the ones that go on those drives, sometimes make as little as twenty-five dollars.

• 1:30:17Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's cra- they're on a pre- go on a press launch to make, and they make twenty-two dollars, I mean.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  A lot of outlets are frequently anywhere between a hundred and seventy-five and five hundred dollars. And you think about it, you and I, you and I run a business, and you and I have spent a lot of time talking about this over the years. You're gonna take me out of the office for three days.

• 1:30:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:36Speaker 01

  What is that worth?

• 1:30:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  And as a result, there's a lot of times I say no.

• 1:30:40Matt Farah?

  It's not about being, it's not like greedy, like this is literally physically, like you have to be somewhere else.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:30:46Matt Farah?

  For this much time, you can't be doing anything else, and then you have to create content from it after that somehow, so.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  And this, I don't know, what is his name, what's the username of this guy?

• 1:30:57Matt Farah?

  Everything Clean But The Ashtray.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Everything Clean But The Ashtray, of course, you also want to smoke cigars as you're doing this.

• 1:31:03Matt Farah?

  That's not a cigar reference.

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go with cigars.

• 1:31:08Matt Farah?

  There's a, there's a.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  I understand your reference.

• 1:31:10Matt Farah?

  I want you to go, there's homework for George, between now and next time you come on the show, you need to see The Great White Hype.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  I will.

• 1:31:16Matt Farah?

  Start, finish.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:17Matt Farah?

  And you need to stream or download whatever the song, Big Truck Driver by Mistical.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  Why am I gonna be terrified by this?

• 1:31:25Matt Farah?

  That's where Everything Clean But The Ashtray comes from.

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  I guarantee you that my boxing gym plays this every day and I just don't know it yet.

• 1:31:31Matt Farah?

  You would know it, it's a car guy song, it is a car guy song, it's an ode to this dude's like big Escalade on rims.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:39Matt Farah?

  That's always clean, except for the ashtray, cuz he's rolling around fucking puffing blunts.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  Okay, now I'm gonna listen to it.

• 1:31:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Mistical, Big Truck Driver, great beat, too.

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  So, so this guy is Everything But The Ashtray?

• 1:31:52Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  The point I was trying to get across to this guy was, I, I want you to make sure you understand that, yes, it's cool to drive these cars, but your job is you have to put food on the table.

• 1:32:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  You're in your 20.

• 1:32:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  And at some point, you gotta figure out where you're going with this. You gotta ask yourself, what do I want to be when I grow up? A lot of people don't ask these questions.

• 1:32:13Matt Farah?

  You're looking right into the camera. Hey, hang on, let me give you a solo shot here.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Okay, solo shot.

• 1:32:15Matt Farah?

  Right into the camera. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  So this is...

• 1:32:17Matt Farah?

  Come on, Dad.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  This is my, this is my, I even wore the dad jacket for you.

• 1:32:21Matt Farah?

  Let him have it, Dad.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  This is, this is my, my advice to someone starting out at 20 years old. A lot of people in this world, like Matt, Matt's an old man as well.

• 1:32:29Matt Farah?

  I am, look at his beard.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  We were just talking about his 50th birthday. We're having a hell of a 50th birthday.

• 1:32:34Matt Farah?

  That's not for seven years.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  But still, we're gonna talk about it.

• 1:32:36Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  Um, in all seriousness, a lot of people in this world, most of your friends that are 20 years old, they can sit here and tell you what they don't want to do. But maybe 5% of people on this planet could tell you what they want to do. You need to be the 5% that needs to figure out, where am I going in this world? Because we can sit here and say, oh my God, the days are so long, and how do I get through my workday of a job that I, that sucks? But what you don't realize is, decades are short. Like, I met this guy a decade ago, and I feel like I met him yesterday. And you need to make the most of that decade.

• 1:33:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, and, and if you're gonna, like, the thing about being an automotive journalist, it's like, it's like being in a band. Like, how do you stay successful in a band? It's like...

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  You have to reinvent yourself.

• 1:33:21Matt Farah?

  And not break up. Like, you have to, you know what I mean?

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:25Matt Farah?

  Like, someone asked Eddie Vedder, like, how did you guys, like, how have you guys stayed, you know, been so successful for 35 years? And they're like, well, it's, you know, it's a lot easier if the band doesn't break up. You know, like, and, and it's like that, like, a lot of the people that I know now, that are like in positions of power at places like Porsche and, you know, carmakers or wherever, they were like interns when I first started, and we used to party together all the time. And like, we both just stuck around long enough, they're like, you're a somebody and I'm a somebody, and we got the keys to the kingdom. But it takes fucking 15 years to do that.

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  That's...

• 1:34:03Matt Farah?

  You have to be patient.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  That's in every industry.

• 1:34:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  I would agree. The other thing that's really important in this industry that is very hard for people to do, and Matt is probably the best... Best at this and that is being honest to your audience. I'm also very honest. You are very good at it. So am I.

• 1:34:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  And we get in trouble for it. There are certain car manufacturers that basically say, we are not giving you a car because you were too honest. And the reality of the situation is your customer is the viewer, not the car manufacturer. Now, that doesn't mean you can go on camera and say, this is a pile of shit and walk off camera. There's only one person that can do that.

• 1:34:36Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:34:37Speaker 01

  And he got away with it for many years and that owns a farm. Okay? But the reality is, you need to be honest and learn how to do with something called the shit sandwich. I love this about the Infiniti G37. I do not like the lights, but I do like the engine.

• 1:34:52Matt Farah?

  There you go.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  That's called the shit sandwich.

• 1:34:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  You need to get good at the shit sandwich and be honest.

• 1:34:57Matt Farah?

  Pro-grade advice right there. Uh, let's, uh, make sure everybody knows where to find you.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:35:04Matt Farah?

  The new, uh, YouTube channels, uh, are, uh, MotoMan TV.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  Everything is gonna be MMTV and then

• 1:35:11Matt Farah?

  On Instagram, MMTV Cars and then MMTV Podcast.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  So, so all the socia ls, meaning, Facebook, Instagram and, and X, those are, it's MotoMan TV. And the main cars channel where you see moving cars, MMTV Cars. And then the main podcast channel, MMTV Podcast.

• 1:35:33Matt Farah?

  Where you see barely moving people.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  And you can still type in MotoMan TV and it'll cut, you'll, you'll find it.

• 1:35:37Matt Farah?

  They'll find you. They'll find you down at the cigar lounge.

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  Can we do the, uh, the gift now?

• 1:35:42Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, sure.

• 1:35:42Speaker 01

  I brought you something special.

• 1:35:44Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  Back from New York.

• 1:35:45Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  Cause we are both from New York. I don't know if they know this.

• 1:35:48Matt Farah?

  Allegedly.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  Do you remember Nat Sherman?

• 1:35:51Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:35:51Speaker 01

  Okay. So the gentleman that used to run Nat Sherman before Marlboro drove it into the ground, has reissued the cigars. And so this used to be their Chabano, uh, Nat Sherman that is now issued as a Metropolitan.

• 1:36:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, okay, so I mean, I know Habano is like, it's Cuban.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Well, think of it in terms of like, the level of, oh, it's magnificent. As the level of spice, think you got the natural, then you've got the Maduro, which is on the other end of the spectrum. This is right down the middle, but I will tell you that one has a little bit more kick than most Tabanos.

• 1:36:29Matt Farah?

  What else you got there?

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  Yes, well, these are, these are my father judges. I figured if we're gonna have cigars, I brought one for myself to.

• 1:36:35Matt Farah?

  This smells great. Thank you very much. I still, you continue to try to teach me about cigars. I don't know shit. But you know, I like a mild to medium cigar of about this length.

• 1:36:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:36:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, and that's pretty much all I can tell you about the kind of cigars I like.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:36:49Matt Farah?

  But every year now, because, you know, because we had our cigar day on our day off on the Ioniq 5N launch.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  We did. And found it amazing. Helms or Helms?

• 1:37:00Matt Farah?

  Helms, Helms, the one on, on the main street in Monterey, it's been open since the 1800s.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  I went there for Pebble Beach this year.

• 1:37:07Matt Farah?

  I did too. I got, I did too. I went, I didn't hang out, but I got, I get, I go on Wednesday and then get my cigars for the week.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  Super nice guys.

• 1:37:15Matt Farah?

  For the fire pits, it's Spanish B.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  Oh, well, and we did smoke at the Spanish B together. Although I missed you on Sunday night. Sunday night, I was still tied up.

• 1:37:22Matt Farah?

  Sunday night, I fucking had to go have my car break down.

• 1:37:28Matt Farah?

  Um, thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions. Thank you to anyone George brought by for stopping in. Hope you, hope you stick around for a while. And I am now, uh, gonna be gone on the road for two weeks. This episode's gonna air week after next because we're getting, we're getting ahead because I'm gonna be on the road for two weeks. So I'll see you with road stories from road and track experiences and performance car of the year.

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  Oh, so this is all road and track stuff?

• 1:37:54Matt Farah?

  It's all road and track. Two week road trip for road and track.

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  See, this goes back to your guy, the, the Ashtray guy.

• 1:38:00Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  You networked your way in there and you knew people from back in the day.

• 1:38:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I also got famous first on YouTube. That was, it's easy to get a writing job if you get famous first doing something else. That's very, very easy, actually. Um, I don't recommend trying that. It's not a great, secure strategy. But should you find yourself in that position, know that writing for a small amount of money awaits.

• 1:38:24Matt Farah?

  Thanks, everybody. We'll see you next time.