Sam Fane (Seen Through Glass)

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  Los Angeles, TST Live is coming to you and we are doing it huge because we're bringing along Richard Porter and Johnny Smith. Smith and Sniff is joining TST for a live collab podcast at the Irvine Improv, August 18th, 8pm. It's a big room, so a bunch of you guys can come. Parking's free and tickets start at just 40 bucks, you guys. Come on down, it's gonna be an amazing hang. TST with Smith and Sniff, live in Irvine, August 18th. Tickets at the link in bio while they last. All right, folks, on this episode, it seems like it's his annual pilgrimage through Los

• 0:44Matt Farah?

  Angeles. My old pal Sam Fain, Seen Through Glass on YouTube, Instagram, Podcast, everything. I love Sam, this dude is great. He takes his sports cars on big adventures and he's here in town, got to have a go in a 275 GTB, but also, we're talking about his Ferrari trip to Morocco. We're talking about turning cars into off-roaders for purposes of bigger and better journeys, all kinds of things. I love hanging out with this dude, he is super, super fun. Sam from Seen Through Glass is here, it's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. At the end of last week's show, we were pretty certain we were in the Matrix.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Oh, really? I often forget to hit record. We do a full episode, I get to the end and I say to Tony, I'm like, "Ohhh." And he's just like, "I'm not doing it again, mate, I'm not doing it again."

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, we haven't had that for like, six years, but it's rough.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  We've done it before, it's happened, it's happened, yeah, yeah. But we're here. Fuck, yeah, dude, so nice to see you.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Great to see you.

• 1:46Matt Farah?

  So glad you have stopped by.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, thank you so much, it's always fun, and...

• 1:50Matt Farah?

  Annual pilgrimage.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally. And I had a very, this is a very weird trip for me. I was in Carmel last weekend.

• 1:57Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a bit like you, my friend got married up in Carmel.

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  And where were you in between?

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Uh, I went to Joshua Tree.

• 2:04Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  To stare at some stars and cry, and then came here, and I'm here for a week and then I go back up.

• 2:10Matt Farah?

  All right, all right, cool, all right, fine, I thought you went home.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  No, that would be so interesting. I think a few people are doing that.

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  That's great, yeah, we don't need to be doing that kind of thing.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:19Matt Farah?

  Um, we're, you know, as you know, we're not going this year. We're going to Detroit, which is okay.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  No, I kinda back that.

• 2:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Do you know how many people have been like, "I'm actually kinda jealous."

• 2:29Speaker 01

  I don't think you're the only people as well, like, I've spoken to a lot of Europeans at least, who are not coming this year, and there were some people at this wedding who I would have thought were sticking around or coming back, and they're like, "No, we're not coming either."

• 2:40Matt Farah?

  Last year did feel like, at the end of it, it felt like my head might explode.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45Matt Farah?

  And so...

• 2:46Speaker 01

  It's the problem with any of these events, they sometimes just get too big for their own good.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Sure, they get more and more popular, you know, but also, if we get to go, year after year after year, they don't change enough, I think, for us, but if, you know, if it's your first time, you'll be excited.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  I think you need to go, if you go once every three, it's like, probably, but we get, you get addicted to like, the invite and, "Oh my god, if I don't go this year, you're not gonna go."

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Johnny Lieberman's gonna go.

• 3:12Matt Farah?

  You're hard to turn out of Bentley, right?

• 3:16Speaker 01

  And we don't, as British media, we don't get invites to anything Car Week.

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 3:23Speaker 01

  It's like a different thing. So, I had a couple, I went to see McLaren at Goodwood, and they're like, "Oh, we got something going on," and Jaguar are like, "Oh, we got something going on," and I was like, "Yeah, cool, get me on the invite list," but it's like, "Come to the party," it's not like, "We'll fly you out."

• 3:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  So I can imagine, for you guys, that's the golden goose of like, hospitality.

• 3:39Matt Farah?

  It's nice for, especially because, you know, what happens is, for us LA people, the cars get up there, you know what I mean? So that we help, you help sort of shuttle the cars up there, and then...

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Hide in the trunk, whatever.

• 3:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sure, whatever's needed to be done. If you wanna do a little duffel shuffle, it's particularly spicy. But also, like, last year, we did it independent, and it, we rented a house, and we did all this shit, and it cost some money, but there was a level of fun to that, that I think was, was really nice.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, work and play, you hit a good mix.

• 4:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we really only played, we did very little work, we did almost no work, but...

• 4:17Speaker 01

  It's quite hard to work on that, I think.

• 4:18Matt Farah?

  But then they, but then everything, we're like, "Oh, let's do that," and then it's like, "Oh, god, that's gotten very expensive."

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, so expensive. But we shouldn't complain, because we often get media invites.

• 4:28Matt Farah?

  No, it's not a complaint, but it's just like, if you are gonna do the bit where you pay your own way every year, that's a big vacation, you know, especially, you know, Airbnb, we got our house in Airbnb, in Detroit, we got five nights in Detroit, in a house that would be considered an exceptionally dope Car Week house, for the price of one night, in the same house, in the Del Monte Forest.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Is Detroit, like, back? Cause I, when, about 20 years ago, when it crashed, me and my friend wanted to buy it.

• 5:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Cause you could at least go buy like, a mansion for like, $12,000.

• 5:05Matt Farah?

  You still, it's not like that, but like, you still, if one wanted to buy into Detroit now, there's opportunity, and like, you know, like, anywhere else, there's good neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods, and where we're staying is like, a super nice neighborhood, like, if you looked at where we were staying, like, it could be any nice suburb in the country.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  I liked it, I went five years ago, I thought it was mega.

• 5:27Matt Farah?

  Detroit people are fucking mega, too. Detroit people are the coolest people, they're nuts, they're hardcore, they build crazy cars, real hardy people.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I drove some mad Hummers out there.

• 5:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, did you go to a mill-spec?

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  Did you drive the Drift Hummer?

• 5:43Speaker 01

  I don't know if they had the Drift Hummer, I can't remember, this was 2019, so my memory will lose me slightly, but, yeah, big, like, overpowered psychotic H1 Hummers.

• 5:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  They were super cool, we had a fun day, and then there was a guy there, I'm so bad with names of things, he had a great super car dealership, which had this amazing, like, Fendstow SV Roadster, I had a great time in Detroit, I really liked it.

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  Those mill-spec guys, they partied, they had a good time, and, you know, a ridiculous H1 is great when it's someone else's, you know what I mean?

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Sure, oh yeah, we went for a blast during the day.

• 6:16Matt Farah?

  But, are they still around?

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  They're still up? Yeah, dude, can you just grab a photo of the Drift Hummer, because...

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did something like a Camo-y one?

• 6:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  And just shot like, black smoke out, like, everywhere?

• 6:28Matt Farah?

  Diesel, is that Diesel life, baby? The Drift Hummer was, you know, cause they're mid-engine, it's front mid, the whole engine is behind the axle, and actually, like, the proportions are sort of sports car proportions, just like, like, over, like, when I say that, I mean like, the width to the wheelbase to where the engine is, it's actually like, pretty, and so they had one that had a manually controllable Allison gearbox, and like, 1,000 horsepower, and it was rear-wheel drive, and you could drift it.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 7:03Matt Farah?

  And in fact, I did. Oh, look at that, 2021.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no new posts about it that I can find.

• 7:08Matt Farah?

  I don't know if they kept it up, but it did actually drift.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  That's you, that's amazing.

• 7:13Matt Farah?

  It was pretty sick.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Look where the engine is, it's all behind, that was a fun day.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  This is a post about your video.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  This is an article about you.

• 7:20Matt Farah?

  It is, and it's just misspelled, but that is in fact, me doing the, that thing was, why has Cletus not picked up this, where this is left off? He really should.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Good point, he really should.

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  Tough to fit it on the semi haulers, I think.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  He'd manage, we're just keeping it in Florida.

• 7:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so it's pretty cool. It destroyed the rear tires in 35 seconds.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I could see that, yeah, that makes sense.

• 7:43Matt Farah?

  Um, so what have you been driving, dude?

• 7:45Speaker 01

  I have driven, the whole time I'm here in the US, I've got a Rivian R1T Quad.

• 7:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, they're, yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Which, you know, that's...

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  T, truck?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  The truck. And so, you know, me as a Brit, the truck thing is fun, but then everyone talks about Rivian, I don't know how you guys feel, but there's like, this hype, there's this kind of, "Oh, they look so cool, they look so great," sort of intrigue, and weirdly, a guy I used to work with 15 years ago, does their PR in Europe.

• 8:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay, they sell them over there, yeah?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  They're trying to, I don't know if we're quite there yet, and he's gonna yell at me now for not knowing this, but I don't see them around, so I think they're coming, but it's just not actually there.

• 8:20Matt Farah?

  Probably the R2, I mean, R1s are, they're big, for Europe, that's a big vehicle.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  They're really, like, that's the first thing I got used to, but the self-driving, that's my first...

• 8:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, this steering, yeah.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Dude, on the highway, like, that's my first time messing around with that.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 8:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, on the highway, it's good.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable.

• 8:37Matt Farah?

  Use it on the highway, don't get too distracted, don't try and fuck with it on surface streets.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I'm not gonna use it on the canyon.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  But have you used like, Ford?

• 8:45Matt Farah?

  Teslas will let you do it, and it doesn't do a very good job.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  I wouldn't even want it.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  I don't think Rivian will let you do it, I think Rivian's only works on freeways, right?

• 8:54Speaker 02

  I don't know if it's geofenced.

• 8:55Matt Farah?

  I don't know, try it, see what happens.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Have you not tried the systems from GM or Ford or anything?

• 9:00Speaker 01

  No, like, nothing, cause we have very limited stuff, at least in the UK, you know, it's all, keep your hands on the wheel.

• 9:06Matt Farah?

  Have you been in a Waymo?

• 9:07Speaker 01

  I've not been in a Waymo.

• 9:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, you should do that.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're getting them in London, they're all being...

• 9:13Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're all being built, so they're being driven at the moment whilst they learn the systems.

• 9:17Matt Farah?

  What type of vehicles?

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Same, iPaces.

• 9:19Matt Farah?

  iPaces?

• 9:20Speaker 01

  What's the new little blue bus thing?

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  Those are called Zeeker. No, Zooks is a different company, they have little, they have weird little van-looking things as well. This one is a Zeeker.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:32Matt Farah?

  Z-E-E-K-R, which is all Chinese. But it is, uh, it is, no.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Is that allowed to?

• 9:38Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Is that allowed?

• 9:38Matt Farah?

  Well, it's interesting. It's complicated.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  I like the way they look.

• 9:42Matt Farah?

  No, but also maybe yes. Um, I mean, they're run, they've run out of I-Paces.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:48Matt Farah?

  They're Jaguars, you know, they're not paying the money for it, so.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:52Matt Farah?

  But you know, the hub is right here.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  What hub?

• 9:54Matt Farah?

  Waymo. Where they, where they sleep is like right across the street.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So you see them all come back and talk?

• 10:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, dude, at fucking eight AM, ants marching.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 10:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  It's a cool, I like, I'm all here for, it makes sense, and especially, and this sounds so derogatory as a Brit visiting here, but I don't trust LA drivers.

• 10:12Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  But I do trust a Waymo.

• 10:14Matt Farah?

  They're all armed.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that too. And they just don't seem to be paying that much attention, maybe because of the self-driving thing, but.

• 10:19Matt Farah?

  You don't trust a Waymo? Um, I, I, uh.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  No, I trust a Waymo more than, if I'm at a stop sign or a T-junction or anything like that.

• 10:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  I am always double guessing a person in a car.

• 10:30Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  When I'm here, but if I see a Waymo, I'm like, okay, it's kinda, I like.

• 10:33Matt Farah?

  That's what, that's what Seinfeld says, he goes, I love a Waymo, cause I know if I cut it off, it sees me.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:39Matt Farah?

  Which is, which is like, in, in the perfect Seinfeld way, it's like the right number of words for the joke.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  I kinda back that.

• 10:46Matt Farah?

  No, I, I do trust, most of the time, I do trust a Waymo, and I trust being around them on my motorcycle, more importantly. But I did watch one the other day go, uh, most of the way through turning into a, a, the wrong way down a one-way street before like, "Rrrr!" And then like hard about facing and going back the correct way. It's actually the first time I've ever personally witnessed one doing something that was like, really unsafe.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 11:17Matt Farah?

  And I'm sure there's like, there's data, and I'm not trying to claim, like, you know, my, this is just an anecdote of something I personally witnessed, and after watching these things run around my fucking neighborhood for, what, two years now? Is by far the most dangerous thing I've seen in my life.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 11:31Matt Farah?

  By far.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is relaxing, cause, you know, I see crazy people doing crazy things.

• 11:35Matt Farah?

  You know what's really fun to watch is when there's a big Cars and Coffee in a shopping center?

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 11:40Matt Farah?

  Waymos don't know about this.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:42Matt Farah?

  And so if they're trying to drop somebody off at like a store or something, they will just like roll into a car and like have no idea what's going on.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  And was like, rev it!

• 11:52Matt Farah?

  And just like stop, like, like freak the fuck out and shut shit down, like, they're not ready for that.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Do they talk to you when you get inside? Does it have a voice? I want it to have a voice.

• 12:01Matt Farah?

  No, no, it has like a, you know, close the door and press this, put your seatbelt on.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  Like your name, your name is on the center console, just to make sure that you're getting in the right car, but that's it.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Cause it'd be fun if it was like an Uber and you could set the conversation all.

• 12:12Matt Farah?

  No, dude, I, there is, the, the biggest drawback to me about Waymos is that that last bit of conversation that you need to have with a taxi driver, such as, "It's right around back."

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 12:26Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean?

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:26Matt Farah?

  Drop me off, drop me off on the side, please. I'll jump out here.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:29Matt Farah?

  Any of that shit is a no-go.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Okay. You're going with a pin?

• 12:34Matt Farah?

  You stop where it stops, and if it's fucking raining and it stops you in a deep ass puddle, "Hey, could you move up ten feet?" Doesn't exist.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, they need to work on that.

• 12:43Matt Farah?

  That's, the, the actual mechanics of driving, they have down pretty good.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Cause what was the, was it the Joaquin Phoenix movie where he talked to Scarlett Johansson?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Her?

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Let's do that.

• 12:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Falling in love with your Waymo.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Always trying to get the same car.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  You're going around the city like trying to find a.

• 12:59Matt Farah?

  You know what's going to happen.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:02Matt Farah?

  Follow that.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Let's talk to it.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I'm not gonna get in car 10, be like, "Have you seen car 12 for any chance?"

• 13:08Speaker 01

  Car 12's been a long lap around the city.

• 13:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, well, what's your? No, get down, dude! It loves me back! It loves!

• 13:16Speaker 02

  What happened to this vent? Oh my god!

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Oh no! Oh no, you're sorry, I took that into a dark place. Um, anyway, so yeah, the Rivian's been a lot of fun, I, I got that the whole time, and then whilst I'm here in LA, I've got the Amira four-cylinder.

• 13:29Matt Farah?

  Is this the new sport SE fast one, do you know?

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they call it something that Racing Line, is that what they call it?

• 13:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Racing Line S?

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Racing Line.

• 13:36Matt Farah?

  The Chinese influence has gotten into the ESL naming of the stuff.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  I thought it was the V6.

• 13:42Matt Farah?

  Bright ass green.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, green, green.

• 13:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Which I quite like, I still think it's a pretty car.

• 13:48Matt Farah?

  I saw you from like halfway up the block.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's him. Um, you've driven the four-cylinder?

• 13:53Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  We drove, we drove the four-cylinder two years ago.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  And then another one here.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Did we drive another one here, and they hadn't, they said they had fixed the auto transmission and they had not, right? Oh, that's right, we did, yeah.

• 14:03Matt Farah?

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• 16:39Speaker 01

  Yes, the noise is surprisingly amazing.

• 16:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  The gearbox is shit.

• 16:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  It's like, it's like really bad.

• 16:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's not good.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Even like just selecting reverse, like, takes about four minutes. And then, you know, I went on the crest this morning like you guys did, and my buddy in his nine nine one dot one three RS, and okay, fine, he was cruising, I was hustling behind him, but like, it's a good, you can, you can go fast in that car. Um, but it just, you feel removed because of how bad that gearbox is.

• 17:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you've driven the stick one a bunch, right?

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:09Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  That car's amazing.

• 17:11Matt Farah?

  Get the stick.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  But I like the four-cylinder because that turbo torque is mega.

• 17:16Matt Farah?

  And when you're driving around and with the windows down, and you're going in and out of boost, it's making like some dope ass, you know, fucking Fast and Furious noises, which are a real good time.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  So I'm enjoying that, and then I'm just trying to jump in as much as I can, because if I can make like six videos this trip, means I can go back and actually focus on like other bits of my job, because otherwise, you know what it's like, you're always scrapping.

• 17:40Matt Farah?

  I know. When do you leave for Monterey?

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Wednesday morning.

• 17:44Matt Farah?

  And what are you doing until then?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Chilling, I got, I'm going on a drive, um, there's a Cars and Coffee tomorrow morning, uh, down in the OC somewhere, not the big one.

• 17:52Matt Farah?

  OC? Oh, Chris, Crystal Cove.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Is that a thing?

• 17:55Matt Farah?

  That's a thing, I've heard of that, I don't think I've gone.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  Tomorrow morning, and apart from that, I'm chilling, why?

• 17:59Matt Farah?

  Uh, you should.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:01Matt Farah?

  You should drive the Manx.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Should I?

• 18:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's perfect.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Is it really great?

• 18:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the best thing ever, you should drive it.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Okay, I would, I would love to.

• 18:11Matt Farah?

  It's really good.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  What, what would I do in it, where would I?

• 18:14Speaker 02

  You should drive it around here for like three minutes, just to, and it'll tell you if you want to do a video.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  But don't like get all your, your jollies out then, and then you should go do a thing with it.

• 18:23Matt Farah?

  If you try, if you try it once, I suspect you'll go, "Oh, okay, I understand what this is," and you will want to do something with it. And I will ma, if you want to, I will make the time.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Okay, you are an absolute hero.

• 18:33Matt Farah?

  It's fucking great.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Let's talk off air.

• 18:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  See, make a.

• 18:36Matt Farah?

  Cars with airplane engines tend to be enjoyable.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, super cool. We did something, Tony and I, when we came about three or four years ago, just when Manx was going through this kind of new era, we went and visited them, and they put us in like a real shoddy, here's one from the past, and you get an idea. And it was hilarious, but not.

• 18:56Matt Farah?

  No, this is a totally different thing.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. That's my hesitation, so I need to let go of my hesitation.

• 19:01Matt Farah?

  No, mine is a hundred and fifty horsepower, and it's water-cooled, it's a, it's runs on Motec, it's a, it's a completely different thing.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Okay, fine, let's do that, okay, yeah, we'll, we'll make a plan for sure.

• 19:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's, it's, you, you get revenge for World War I driving it, trust me.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Oh, fantastic.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Um. Do we need revenge or come?

• 19:19Matt Farah?

  You don't, you don't, we all, I think we all do.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:22Matt Farah?

  Um, fucking hell, okay, so what are you driving, two-car weekend?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm taking the Rivian back up. So I flew in and out, I'll fly him out of SFO, because for the wedding and then to, to leave, it's easy, I never do Pebble. I did Pebble once in twenty seventeen, and I was like, cool, I'm done. So I don't, I don't do Pebble, which maybe sounds really up my own ass, but I, so I fly out on the Saturday night.

• 19:43Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's, you know, it's funny, it's for, for many people, it is sort of the least interesting part of the, of the week. It's the least casual.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  It's the one that I felt most, um, judged for not knowing what I'm looking at. Do you know what I mean, like?

• 20:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  And, and that.

• 20:01Matt Farah?

  You ever overhear them judges talking about cars, and you're like, "Oh my god." You are, you're deep, homie.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  Cause I wanna learn, like, I wanna know, and I was going around being like, "Oh, so like, what is this?" And they're like, "You don't know the difference in Baga!" And I was like, "I don't know."

• 20:14Matt Farah?

  They should put like, I mean, they have, it says what it is and who owns it, but like, I hate to say a QR code, but like, I don't want, I don't, not that.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  I have a QR code. Well, like a little audio, you can like, when you go to a museum, a little, you know, we could narrate that, guys, that's a business for us.

• 20:33Matt Farah?

  That would be a good business.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Problem is, we all speak English, and they always want like different languages.

• 20:37Matt Farah?

  Well, right, right.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Hey, maybe this is like a content creator, we just amass people from around the world.

• 20:44Matt Farah?

  And by the way, I think if we're all gonna, if it's all three of us.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Going to Sam.

• 20:47Matt Farah?

  Who are they choosing?

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause he sounds much smarter, yeah.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  I sound smarter, but I'm much thicker.

• 20:52Matt Farah?

  Exactly.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  That's it, it's all pretend.

• 20:55Matt Farah?

  Exactly the British secret.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  That's what we all pull off.

• 21:00Matt Farah?

  You guys have been riding off that shit for years.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  It's worked well. It's worked well. We impress people with our lack of nothing.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  But yeah.

• 21:08Matt Farah?

  Come see us at Smith and Sniff August.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, you're doing that. It's gonna be amazing, isn't it?

• 21:12Speaker 02

  He goes like, we don't think there'd be a problem with people inbreeding in the castle. It's gonna work out forever.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Oh, have you been to Iceland?

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Do you know about the dating app there?

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Yes. It's fan. It's hilarious.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  The cousin dating app. That's unbelievable.

• 21:27Matt Farah?

  Is it? Wait.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  It's so you can look up if you're related.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:33Matt Farah?

  That's not surprising at all.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  It's not. I mean, it's good. I feel like more places should have it.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  But I'll tell you what, before apps existed, you know, how did they figure out they needed that?

• 21:44Matt Farah?

  Not to, not to TMI, but Zach Lapman is adopted.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  True.

• 21:48Matt Farah?

  And so Zach, you know, Zach has a policy. He's married now, but even before, we're getting into any serious relationship.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  You gotta, you gotta check.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  I always had to ask questions.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  There is a law of attraction there somewhere.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Well, my joke used to be like, there was a, there was a time where I was really into older women, but I also like brunettes.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  Dangerous game.

• 22:11Matt Farah?

  You gotta be real sure.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  My wife and I joke a lot when we, when we do something very similarly. I just go, I'm really glad we got that test.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  I was glad we checked that out.

• 22:23Matt Farah?

  Well, you and Iceland are all the same, I think. No, but when I went to Iceland, it was, we were, was 2017? Was that when we went to Iceland?

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  I think it was 2017. And it was at the time, JF and whoever else convinced McLaren to allow, allow us to take a car to Iceland. It was the first McLaren to ever go to Iceland.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Fuck, it's a GT?

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  It was a GT. And they gave us the one that was like, it had been in like a hailstorm. So it was like fucked up. They basically thought they would never see it again. It was, it was, it was like a shitter, which the, the brilliance of a disposable supercar is just, I mean, it's beyond delicious. You know what I mean? So I treated the whole country like my racetrack and everywhere I went, everywhere. My cousin told me you were coming. I mean, every fucking where. I knew you would, I knew you would be here. Oh, how did you know? Oh, day, my cousin or my brother. But it's everybody.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Just to like full circle this, this narrative.

• 23:17Matt Farah?

  Even a million people in Iceland?

• 23:18Speaker 02

  No, it's three, three hundred thousand, I think.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, too small.

• 23:21Matt Farah?

  How many people were in Santa Monica?

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Let's fact check.

• 23:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, Santa Monica compared to the entire country of Iceland.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  To, to full circle relationships in the family, I was, I was in a wine tasting in Italy not, a couple of months ago. We sat with this couple who moved to Dubai and we were kind of talking about, you know, culture clashes and things like that. And I said, oh yeah. The other day, sadly, one of our students, family members passed away and the email, and the email had said, now just think about this. So sorry for ex who lost her uncle and father-in-law this weekend. Same person.

• 23:56Matt Farah?

  Uncle and father. Okay.

• 24:01Matt Farah?

  Wait a minute. You have to draw that. You have to draw.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  No, it's much simpler than you think.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  It shouldn't. I, I mean, we all know that. That should, that sentence shouldn't exist.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  It does. So we know it's problematic.

• 24:11Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  It's first cousin. Like, and it wasn't like, you know, why not just say uncle or father-in-law? Why'd you have to say?

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Leave one of them out and no one goes, ew.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  It feels like shaming.

• 24:21Matt Farah?

  Pick a relation, pick a relationship with this person from now on and just be that.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  Exactly. Cause like, you know, everyone wants to support them in their loss, but you're like, oh God.

• 24:30Matt Farah?

  I guess.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Well, it's a funny place.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  This is my cousin husband. You're like, oh, choose one.

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  It makes me happy though, that I couldn't immediately do that math. Like I don't have to do the math of how incest works.

• 24:45Matt Farah?

  Do it in my head. Like I haven't done the incest speed math course.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  I got that real quick. That is worrying.

• 24:51Matt Farah?

  You have a royal family, so you're like regularly.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  It's like someone who knows the consent laws in states too quickly, you know?

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Chris Delia, he's like, no, I know all of them.

• 25:00Matt Farah?

  No, that was legal. That was legal in that state. That was legal.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm fluent in creep.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  What a vibe.

• 25:07Matt Farah?

  Ask how I learned the metric system.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  It's about cars, huh?

• 25:15Matt Farah?

  From wrenches, from the, from European wrenches is how I, how I learned the metric system. Absolutely.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Cool. Oh my God.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  Um, oh dude.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  What's, what's been going on with you guys though?

• 25:24Matt Farah?

  Fucking, you know.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  We talk about this all the time. Can we talk about this gold to fifty?

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Seven, five.

• 25:30Matt Farah?

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• 26:11Matt Farah?

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• 28:06Speaker 01

  Yes, I drove this literally yesterday, uh, two days ago.

• 28:09Matt Farah?

  Fucking car.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  This is going up for auction with Broad Arrow out there. They're at the Quail now. That's the, the Quail auction is now Broad Arrow. So they're like.

• 28:17Matt Farah?

  Are they your host? Is that?

• 28:18Speaker 01

  That's kind of why I'm here. I'm doing a ton of stuff with them just because they look after me.

• 28:23Matt Farah?

  The titties. What's the name of the color?

• 28:25Speaker 01

  It's not chiolata. It's hazelnut, basically. Yeah. So whatever the Italian is.

• 28:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, you know why I like it so much? I was just at, um, uh, Canapa. I stopped by on the Vespa. He's got a Dino in this color.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Yes. So this was a super popular color in, in the sixties. There's like, there's like 10 of these. So it's a popular color. And then classic, it came to America. The guy painted it red. And it's just been through a restoration. So they put it back to the original color, but it's.

• 28:51Matt Farah?

  Imagine painting that color red.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  But dude, in the.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  What color are the stars and straps in that?

• 28:59Speaker 01

  But in the eighties and nineties, which I think when the car came in, I, you know, I get it ish. Like it was. It's now that these colors, these colors are popular.

• 29:07Matt Farah?

  I think, I think it needed, we needed until Jalopnik got here for brown cars to get cool again, right?

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also like back then, I mean, these cars weren't as collectible. And so having a difficult to sell, unique color wasn't just an asset. It was actually worse.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  It's baby poo brown, but I adore it.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  But when it's clean, it shows the lines really well.

• 29:24Matt Farah?

  The guy who bought it, bought it brown or hazelnut and painted it red, bought it for like $27,000. Painted it red and was like, I sold it for 40 bucks. Resale red.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. But this was super cool.

• 29:37Matt Farah?

  Paint it back to original. 4.3 million.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:41Matt Farah?

  Damn it.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Estimate's three point five.

• 29:43Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's wild, huh? But seventy, seventy odd thousand kilometers on the clock?

• 29:47Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  It's a driven news. Yeah, I love that. I love that.

• 29:51Matt Farah?

  How to drive?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Really interesting. I had never driven a two seven five before, so I've gone in at the top with the four cam. It was like butter smooth. Like everything, that car is perfect, the gearbox, the steering. If anything, too smooth.

• 30:05Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 30:06Speaker 01

  It was like the most, it reminded me of a five fifty.

• 30:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  You know, like where it's like grand tourer, like everything's just like, it sounds great, especially low down the revs, it's like it's an amazing noise, but it's not quick. Like I can tell, it's not quick. And it's all just like flow, like you just wanna kind of flow and be cool and I wanted to drive a thousand miles in it.

• 30:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  I'm like, let's just go to Colorado or do whatever. Whereas I'd driven quite a few racier two fifties and actually I drove a Goldwing uh yesterday. And that was like, oh, okay, here we go.

• 30:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  This is a, was a cruiser, but a bloody beautiful cruiser, like so nice.

• 30:41Matt Farah?

  Front engine V twelve Ferraris are like kinda like that. They're not like inspiring to drive hard until you get to like the eight twelve and shit.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:50Matt Farah?

  Or F, F twelve.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, five nine nine GTO maybe. F twelve for sure.

• 30:55Matt Farah?

  Ones are like, they're couchy, but like, that's kind of the vibe.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Have you ever driven one of the GTO engineering cars?

• 31:01Matt Farah?

  No. Is that what's up?

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:03Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Cause that was my problem, that was my way into sixties Ferraris and now I'm like always like, oh, I haven't.

• 31:08Matt Farah?

  And that's a two fifty short wheelbase, right?

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Two fifty short wheelbase and they put, they went up to a four liter. They did three, three point five, four liter. My friends got one with a four liter with the five speed and it's like, you know, basically a competitive journey, like it's.

• 31:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  I cried, I drove the car and cried. I think I drove a three and a half liter though.

• 31:23Matt Farah?

  Daytona engine put back into the short two fifty like.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  They're an amazing business.

• 31:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  I think, and we can say this, Ferrari have already blacklisted me, so it's fine. Um, I think Ferrari go to them for parts these days.

• 31:36Matt Farah?

  For some things they do.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Because like, you know, they are literally.

• 31:39Matt Farah?

  Some of the older parts, yeah, yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Um, you know, they're, they're working on restoring and doing more two fifty GTOs and short wheelbases than Classic. You know, they're, they do more stuff.

• 31:48Matt Farah?

  I was, when I was at Canapa the other day and he pointed at a short, a short wheelbase he had, he said, that's the best driving old Ferrari I've ever done. The short wheelbase is what's up.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  That's for me, Euro millions or your big Lotto, like that's what I'm buying straight away. I adore them. So the two seven five was cool, but it just was like an elegant cruiser.

• 32:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  But it looked amazing and everywhere went, everyone's like, what's up, man?

• 32:09Matt Farah?

  I wonder what the, I wonder what it was like to like race the competition version of that? Like, was it like a big fucking couch or did they really tighten it down for racing and soften it for the street?

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  I don't know, it probably just, it probably shined at like Le Mans spot, like high speed stuff, you know, just kinda roll over in the corner a little bit. But then on straightaway, you're just two miles of like a hundred and eighty miles per hour.

• 32:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I wonder how much, how much power did one of these things make, like three hundred?

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Three hundred, the four cam is supposedly three hundred, but I think today it's two sixty or something.

• 32:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, and it's still just quite lethargic, but it's so intoxicating.

• 32:46Matt Farah?

  Long gears too, right?

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Really long gears, yeah. And it, but it's, and it's a, it's a very tight um dogleg first, but then gated box. So I, in my three and a half million dollar car, I'm like

• 33:00Speaker 01

  I must have nearly gone into reverse like four times. I was like, sorry, sorry, sorry. I was like, oh, God. Um, but no, I mean, so, yeah, once in a lifetime opportunity, how often do you get to drive, you know, three and a half million dollar cars?

• 33:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, never. These cars are really, really cool.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Shout out to Broad Arrow for letting me do that. And they got some cool stuff in that auction and um, yeah, I said, I took the Goldwing out, which, which I think they're.

• 33:22Matt Farah?

  Goldwings are great.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  I thought it was my first time on a Goldwing too.

• 33:24Matt Farah?

  Easy?

• 33:25Speaker 01

  So easy.

• 33:26Matt Farah?

  You get daily a Goldwing.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Visibility's great, easy to drive, easy to hustle. Sounds great.

• 33:31Matt Farah?

  Did it have windows in it?

• 33:32Speaker 01

  It, we put them out.

• 33:33Matt Farah?

  Okay, good.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Cause it was hot.

• 33:34Matt Farah?

  I drove one and they, we didn't take the windows out. Shout out to Dieter, who's the fucking man and we, and we drove him, but we, but he didn't wanna, I don't know, something about the seals. He didn't wanna take the windows out, it was hot.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:44Matt Farah?

  But outside of being hot, very nice to drive. Ten out of ten would daily.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Yes, and you see what Toto Wolff does.

• 33:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Sexy guy, sexy car, like it just, you know.

• 33:54Matt Farah?

  Although I think if, when people do daily them, I think they do something with the key. Did your, did the one you drive have like the thing that looked like a little tiny allen key?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Yes, that was weird and I, I have an inherent issue with starting old cars. I get in my head about it. Like, I don't know why, I could never get in a car like pre nineteen ninety, I'm like, oh no, panic, so.

• 34:15Matt Farah?

  For me, it's closing doors. I never close the doors hard enough and close it harder, but it's old.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  It's old, that's my thing. I'm always like, it's old, like I have to be jetting and old cars, you have to be kind of rough, like treated mean. And so it's down going, I was just like, never could start it. But this had a five speed out of, I think the E thirty nine M five, which apparently is a bolt on. It's a super popular Goldwing mod.

• 34:38Matt Farah?

  E thirty four M five.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, sorry, E thirty four, yes, you're right. E thirty four M five, just straight swap.

• 34:44Matt Farah?

  They're putting that in Goldwings.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Apparently it's a very popular, you know, go to, and it made it have a nice notchy feel and very usable and.

• 34:51Matt Farah?

  Cause the one I drove was also like you described, the Ferrari, where it was this dainty lever and very sort of narrow gates. So you have to

• 35:01Matt Farah?

  but, and other than the, the key was like the most fragile, I was like this, you can, I, I, I think I'm gonna snap this goddamn thing off.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's time.

• 35:10Matt Farah?

  Toto Wolff has a different starting solution for this, I assure you. If you're actually driving, you don't.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Now. Something unbelievably cool, yeah, that is the key, it is awful. It, but it makes me appreciate when I watch Revival, Goodwood Revival, finish now and see these guys hustling. I'm like, you are legends, like that's, that is ultimate skill. Cause I watched my, I filmed my Goldwing drove with Rayban Metta and I was like, this was, this is unbelievable. This is gonna be viral, mate, cause I was flying.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  It's just

• 35:44Speaker 01

  miles an hour, like they're coming down to like, like just downshifting so slowly and like not rev matching at all well. I'm like, I can't post this.

• 35:52Matt Farah?

  That's funny. Yeah, no, it looks, it looks easy when other people are doing it.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Yep. When you see the onboards at Revival. It's a mad.

• 35:59Matt Farah?

  We're gonna have Goodwood here in twenty twenty eight.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Really?

• 36:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Entirely.

• 36:03Matt Farah?

  Really need glasses, I'm not reading, at Willow Springs.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 36:07Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  I still haven't been out, I was supposed to go and, supposed to be doing some stuff with Singer this week, but I just forgot to organize it. Cause that was, that, yeah.

• 36:14Matt Farah?

  Sweet.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  You know, man, just gotta drive a Lotus Amira.

• 36:18Matt Farah?

  We can, I, I am now a member, we can take advantage if you want to go drive at the, the track.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:23Matt Farah?

  But yeah, good, look, Goodwood is the Goodwood Road Racing Club of America and it's, there's gonna be, I don't know if they're calling it Festival of Speed or Revival or, or what they're actually sub branding it at, but there's going to be a big ass Goodwood event.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  When was the last time you went to Revival?

• 36:39Matt Farah?

  Never.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Ah, you've done Festival of Speed once and Revival never.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  That's our car week, like it's hard to get brands to bring us.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, fair.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  Um, but that is like top of my list, I think, to go to.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Cause brands are weird at Revival as well, it's less going on. There's nothing new, so there's less going on, unless it's just like some cool restomod company. And then you get lots of, your best bet is like a Michelin or.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Subaru goes a lot.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Subaru.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  I don't know why, but I just love what they do.

• 37:04Matt Farah?

  Man for absolutely no reason.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  They bring a car around and then they run it, they like, they'll put you in there with a rally driver and they like set a lap that only they have set.

• 37:11Matt Farah?

  Yes, we have the record, can I try? No.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  No, absolutely not. I would assume if it's at a racetrack, it's gonna be a revival type affair.

• 37:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  And dude, it's the best, it's the best car event you can go to, but boy, does it make you realize how loud old race cars are. Because it's like this social event, everyone's dressed to the nines, it's a party atmosphere, it looks beautiful. You can't say a word to anyone.

• 37:37Matt Farah?

  It's so funny.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  He's like, hey, my

• 37:40Speaker 01

  what the fuck? So um, it's good.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  That's so funny.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  But after about an hour, you're like, God, I wish they'd shut the fuck.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Everyone needs rally.

• 37:48Matt Farah?

  The ice race was good. They go and then they're way over there for a little while.

• 37:55Matt Farah?

  An Indy five hundred, I thought was, I mean, and granted, I was, I was on the inside of the track, not the outside of the track. But I was impressed at how quiet it was.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Really?

• 38:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you're like standing on the track, um, especially cause the cars are pretty bunched up the whole time.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 38:11Matt Farah?

  And it's like, you know, uh, I don't know, a minute, it's called a minute and a half lap time. But the cars are all go by in three seconds together. And so, and they're not that loud, so they go

• 38:26Matt Farah?

  so was it?

• 38:28Matt Farah?

  And then, you know, you get, you get a full, pretty much minute and a half of conversation, hold on.

• 38:34Matt Farah?

  Hey.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  It's like modern day four one.

• 38:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty chill.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Modern day four one is exactly the same, like, you know, you're like the starting bit, here we go.

• 38:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Right, that's that.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  The only good thing about the new cars in Formula One is they're so spread out in like this terrible sad parade these days, like by lap 20, you know, it's everyone is spread out around the whole track. But they're quiet, so you can just talk the whole time.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was this year, I took my three and a half year old daughter, first time going to the F1, and we sat in the grandstand. Of course, like by lap two, she's kind of bored, so she's like, "I'm gonna do some drawing, but tell me when the cars are coming, because I wanna like wave." So she'd stand up and she'd wave at the cars, they'd go by, she'd sit back down, and by the time she'd taken the lead, I was like, "Oh, they're coming around!" She'd stand back up, wave.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Wave, and then you're right, by like lap six, I'm like, "Just stay standing up."

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's definitely, everyone's nine seconds, and then it's 15 seconds, and then Cadillac, and then stroll.

• 39:26Matt Farah?

  Does she wave at every car all race?

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Every car, every car. She has her favorites, but she, I don't know, she's just waving at all of them.

• 39:31Matt Farah?

  She waves bigger at Lewis.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, no, Oscar Piastri.

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  Oh, of course.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  I don't know why, I don't know why.

• 39:36Matt Farah?

  Closest to her, no, Kimi's probably closest to her age.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so true. She hasn't quite figured that one out yet, she just likes the orange cars. But that's a ton of fun. Kids at Formula One is like, that's great. That was, that was a lot of fun, so.

• 39:48Matt Farah?

  I took, we did this fucking Cletus race a couple of weeks ago, and I took my nephews and let them paint my race car.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 39:55Matt Farah?

  Which I think, I think that's seared on their brain for a little bit.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, perfect, yeah, yeah.

• 39:59Matt Farah?

  And we taught them what spray paint was. Uncle Zach let, decided that they could use some spray paint. And I mean, look, look at this.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Oh my god, this is amazing.

• 40:06Matt Farah?

  It's like, it's, if you, if you taped a banana to that, that would be worth $6 million.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  That is so good.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Painted my Banksy's kid.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is so good.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  I call it avant kindergarten.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  It will shred, it will shred itself after, yeah.

• 40:20Matt Farah?

  It was a, it was a good race. It mostly looked like that at the end. It had a little bit of tire and wall on it.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  This is kind of fun cup like, or what's the deal here?

• 40:29Matt Farah?

  It's, uh, it's, it's spec crowned Victoria.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  Uh, there were 24 cars, and it's a mixture of NASCAR pro drivers and YouTubers.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 40:39Matt Farah?

  And it is incredibly gnarly.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  Uh, Zach has a little compilation reel of...

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Race of attrition?

• 40:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a 90 lap race, and people don't really treat it as such. So there's a lot of rubbing and wall hits, and, uh, it was a good time.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's hilarious.

• 40:59Matt Farah?

  And the cars are all like really prepped identically, and so it is very, very difficult to make passes if you don't drive like a complete cockback.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 41:08Matt Farah?

  Um, and like use other, like you basically use other cars like you would have, you'd drive like you would have video games.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:13Matt Farah?

  It's, it's real life video game driving where no one actually owns the cars they're racing.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  And have you had this experience where, where pro drivers, when they're not actually competing, are lunatics?

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Yes, all of, have to feel they're pros.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  And they just literally, they're like, "I was gonna cut, cut this corner entirely and just drive into the side of you, because it's, why not?"

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  I did a thing at Ferrari, um, what's the world finals called, finale mondiale, and for some reason I was there, and they said, "Oh come, we're gonna do this go-karting thing," and it was all the current WEC and Ferrari pro drivers, me, and Michael Fassbender.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  Oh my god, yeah.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Like, what, like, you know, Jean-Carlo Fisichella, and, um, Sam Bird, and, I don't know, James Collado. Like, me and Fassbender were like, "What are we fucking, like, what's going on here?" So as the nonsense, we're like, "Oh, let's hang out." We get to the starting grid, I think I'm like fourth, and he's like seventh. We launch off, and I'm like, "I'm doing this, I'm gonna win!"

• 42:09Matt Farah?

  Have you qualified for it?

• 42:10Speaker 01

  I think so, I don't remember, I, but...

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  So, good for you.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Hey.

• 42:13Matt Farah?

  All right.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  We get to the first corner, which is like a hairpin into another hairpin, and I'm going, and I break, and I'm like, "I'm in the lead!" No, they've all just turned right, like, through a shortcut, they're at the other end of the track now, in their own race.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  They cheated?

• 42:28Speaker 01

  It's just me and Fassbender, it's just me and Fassbender, because like, "Oh, okay, cool, guys." Just doing their own thing, all like diving up the inside of each other, and, "Okay, cool." So, you know, it's a cool, cool day to hang out with Michael, but, yeah, not fun to race.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  What, they're like, "The Ferrari is not here, there's no..."

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, no track limits.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, no track limits.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  "I will win!"

• 42:47Speaker 02

  One guy does it, everyone goes, "Okay."

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Literally, you know, and you see it with the F1 drivers when they do these stupid Lego races and stuff.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  They're just like, "Yeah, we're not..."

• 42:54Speaker 02

  They destroy the cars.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  "Yeah, we're not actually taking this seriously."

• 42:55Matt Farah?

  The Lego racists, yeah. At the Indy 500, they did the Wienermobile race, which I really hoped would become full contact at some point, and I was a little disappointed.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  A little docking happening on the track, yeah. Uh, the Lego thing is very funny. Every year someone breaks their car.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  But, but yeah, these guys in this race, it was like, the safety was, "Try not to hit each other," and everyone kind of chuckles, and they go, "Unless that guy's in front, definitely hit him." And everyone laughs louder, and I was like, "We're just gonna get punched, everyone's just gonna hit everybody."

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:22Matt Farah?

  And then they were like, "No one can hit him," because he was 80, "but he was allowed to hit everybody, which he did liberally."

• 43:29Speaker 01

  This sounds great, fucking crazy. This sounds great fun.

• 43:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was a good time. Read my story about it on Road and Track, uh, as well. It's up at roadandtrack.com.

• 43:38Matt Farah?

  Right, are you looking, uh, I mean, I've gotten all the PR emails as well. Are you looking forward to the big reveals? What looks, what, what, did you see the thing, uh, that Hennessy's doing?

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 43:49Matt Farah?

  They've gone down in power.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  I love that!

• 43:52Matt Farah?

  They have ditched the turbochargers, and they're doing a new thing that's, uh, it's, it's called...

• 43:59Speaker 01

  I think...

• 44:00Matt Farah?

  I really wish it wasn't called Blackbird. Blackbird is overdone, but that's, but that's okay. It looks, uh, curvaceous, and it's naturally aspirated and stick shift.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm all here for this. I, because I think Bentley, I'm gonna shout out Bentley, with the first moves on this, in the sense of, if you want a driver's car, let's go backwards.

• 44:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  They took out the hybrid system, right? The, the supersports.

• 44:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Took out the hybrid system, go rear-wheel drive. I'm not sure anyone has, apart from Chris. I think Harris is the only one.

• 44:29Matt Farah?

  I'm driving it on Friday, the Friday after Car Week.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  Fuck you.

• 44:32Matt Farah?

  I'm going, I'm going to, I'm, so I went to Carmel last week on my bike, and I'm going the Friday after Car Week.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  I have an issue with us calling it a bike. I'm really sorry. It's a Vespa.

• 44:43Matt Farah?

  But, okay, but it's the sub, no, mine's not a moped, mine's a motorcycle.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  It's a moped.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  It's a 310. That's not a moped. A moped's a 50.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  No, no. It's, it's cute that you call it a bike.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  He's British, he's smarter than us, we have to agree with him.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  No, I'm not, but you're calling, because it's like the third time you said motorbike, a Vespa, you can't, I don't care the power.

• 45:06Matt Farah?

  It's not a motorcycle.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  No, it's a motor moped.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Okay, Merriam-Webster does say that traditionally a moped features an engine under 50ccs and functional bike pedals.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Which yours does not have, so.

• 45:16Matt Farah?

  No, mine is a scooter. Scooter's appropriate.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Scooter, yeah, okay, scooter.

• 45:20Matt Farah?

  A moped is a defined thing.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, probably.

• 45:23Matt Farah?

  No, it is, it fucking is! It's not a moped!

• 45:26Speaker 01

  We'll get into the Vespa thing again, but yeah, no, so I'm all here for this, like, you know, would you, because...

• 45:30Speaker 02

  You know what's, I just typed in moped versus scooter. I hit space, and it goes moped versus scooter versus Vespa. So there are lots of arguments about these definitions, like, Vespa wants to be different.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  It's a bit like Hoover and vacuum cleaner. Vespa, in my mind, is maybe a category of its own, but like, having a Vespa, rocking up in a Vespa and saying, "Hey, I'm gonna go jump on my motorbike."

• 45:51Matt Farah?

  Sure, it's not the same thing.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  It's not the same thing.

• 45:53Matt Farah?

  No, it's not the same thing. And I have no shame about my Vespa.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  No, and I think you rock it.

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  And I think a Vespa is different from many scooters.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Agreed.

• 46:00Matt Farah?

  It's made of metal, it's a higher caliber of product.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Sam took issue with the term bike, which I agree with.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  I think it's really cool.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Is hog better?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, hog is great, but it's that kind of thing where if you said, if you were single and dating, and said, "Hey babe, I'm gonna pick you up on the motorbike," and you rock up in the Vespa, she might be like, "Hmm, you said you were six foot five, you're five foot 10," so...

• 46:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  I don't know, and let's move on.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  That's fair. What if I was like, "But it's a 300."

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, then she'd go, "Ah, sorry, I misunderstood." She should have said...

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  I, I find that ladies do like a Vespa.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  I think the Vespa is, what's the equivalent in the car world?

• 46:37Matt Farah?

  Because... It's the Manx.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Manx, or, it's like a, you know...

• 46:42Matt Farah?

  Fiat Jolly?

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Hmm, that's a bit too aggressive, because there are some cars that women, and this is now us talking as men, so what do we know, um, seem to find more attractive than the cars that us men think they'll find attractive.

• 46:54Matt Farah?

  Maybe say a pink Boxer.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah. Hey, pink Boxer's rocking a roll.

• 46:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  But yeah, I do think a 986 Boxer will probably get you there quicker than an F8 Tributo, genuinely.

• 47:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, so I've learned this while, while driving, like, if you drive a supercar around LA, if your goal, passive or active, is to attract women using this vehicle, you're gonna go get like 50/50 with a traditional sports car. I, in my brief, but significant experience, the Manx is, is 99 out of 100.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah.

• 47:29Matt Farah?

  You are fun and interesting.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Yes, okay.

• 47:32Matt Farah?

  And not like those other guys that just wanna talk about how expensive and fast their car is.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  And the Vespa does the same thing, so congratulations.

• 47:39Matt Farah?

  Especially if you're riding it 400 miles from where you actually live.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. I would agree with you there.

• 47:46Matt Farah?

  It's a good, that thing, my Vespa goes 85 miles... An hour, so it's you don't, you're not.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  I feel like.

• 47:51Matt Farah?

  Going slow. No, no, you're just, it's like.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  What is that, a motorcycle mile per hour?

• 47:59Matt Farah?

  It's not like an inconvenience to ride at places.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I say, I love that you rep it, it's just, um.

• 48:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'm diehard, I'm diehard about it, and I like regular motorcycles too, I just wanted to do something silly.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is great.

• 48:11Matt Farah?

  It's like, it's sort, it would, it's, you know, like driving a Miata or something on a.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 48:15Matt Farah?

  Road trip, that's sort of the equivalent.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, no, and it's, I think the best road trips are the ones in the unconventional vehicles.

• 48:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sometimes, as long as you're not like in physical pain from doing it the entire time.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Or like extreme danger every time you get behind the wheel, but, but something that's, you know, we did, there was a group called Teen Galag, I don't know if you've ever come across them on social media, but. They were ex gunballers who got fed up with the gunball and then did these snow tours in Scandinavia.

• 48:39Matt Farah?

  Fun.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  And the premise was bring the most inappropriate car to the snow that you can.

• 48:43Matt Farah?

  I love this.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  So we had like Peesters, Ford GTs.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 48:47Speaker 01

  My back Landales.

• 48:48Matt Farah?

  I thought it was like shitters, okay.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  No, I bought a shit, I bought a ten grand, ten grand Citroen C4 WRC, I'm gonna say replica, not a replica. Uh, like, what would you call it, homage?

• 48:59Speaker 01

  A guy bought a shit piece Citroen C4, gutted it, built the body kit, it looked, it looked perfect.

• 49:04Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  But it was like a 1.2 litre C4. And, uh, put in, put in WRC, put in WRC. And heck, even if you put seen through glass, I bet, uh, there's my picture there, there's my picture there, like, I bought a rally car. It was, it was identical. It was so cool and gutted on the inside and it was amazing and I had studded tyres on it and everything, as you can see, we had no snow.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  That's like pretty rad, actually.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  And I drove that from the UK to Oslo. And then I did, and then we did a week round.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Was it gutted and loud inside and everything?

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Absolutely nothing to the point where.

• 49:38Matt Farah?

  Had a cage in it?

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  Cage?

• 49:40Speaker 01

  No cage, just like two race seats and because of the temp, weird temperatures, water, or it would freeze. And then it would melt and I'd get a bucket of water where the spare tyre used to sit, would just collect water. And my friend who came with me literally refused, he, he, he bailed on day two and he got in the back of somebody's M2 or something like that. Which is hilarious.

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  Well, it looks great, you bought the right car for a thumbnail.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Ten grand, sold it for ten grand when I got back.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Ten grand, ten grand, uh, rap job, perfect.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, it was the time of my life, I had so much fun with the car and everyone thought it was amazing, front wheel drive still, but you just rip the handbrake on the ice track and. You know, you got some slides, it was, that was one of my best.

• 50:19Matt Farah?

  I saw, I saw a bunch of cars, uh, when I was driving across Europe a few years back, that were called the Scum Ball Rally. That was like, lottas and shit, it was all like, it was all like eastern block cars.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:32Matt Farah?

  They were just piled high with luggage on the roof.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  You drive east until you get pulled into the Russian army and then you lose. Whoever make it furthest east, win.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Something like that.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  The scum run.

• 50:45Matt Farah?

  I couldn't really tell if it was like a rally or if I was witnessing refugees, like I'm not entirely sure.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Which direction are they heading?

• 50:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, is this it, the scum run?

• 50:55Speaker 01

  We're seeing kids here, hold on a sec.

• 50:57Matt Farah?

  Cancelled, oh no.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Raised for children's charity.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Cancelled because of, you know, conflict.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Come to life through bum sight.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Stage three has little block kids going, uh, tank.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 51:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  I like those kind of things though.

• 51:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, we keep, uh, there's that K car rally in Japan that we keep trying to get.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  Is that, there's a Mongolian rally, which is, I forget what it's called, but it's like.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Mongol rally.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it takes like a month, it's so cool.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  And, and the only thing about that, cause I, I'm like craving a big adventure at the moment, I really wanna do Peking to Paris, but it's every like two years. And you have to have a car that qualifies and someone to fix it.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  Car.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Old car and an old guy to fix it, cause I, I like, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't wanna break down in Kazakhstan.

• 51:35Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Um, but, uh, yeah, Mongol's interesting, but as far as I can understand, it's a little bit of a like, figure it out yourself. It's, it's a bit too unleashed for me, like, I, I would like to do something that has a tiny bit more of a, a plan, I suppose.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  A little more logistical organization, yeah.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause Mongol.

• 51:53Matt Farah?

  Me, Emilio?

• 51:55Speaker 01

  I would love to do, I did it in the three sixty, we did the Ferrari tribute, me and Tony, who, I forgot, can't read. And is dyspraxic, so doesn't know his left or right, so we left the start line.

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  That's a navigator?

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I gave him the route book and I said, like, where are we going, he goes, I don't know. I'm like, no, no, I gave you the route, because, and it was upside down, and I was just like, oh.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Well, if it's upside down, then he reads it correctly, cause his rights are left and left and right.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  He's like, just follow the car, and I was like, I don't know where the car's funny is. It was, it was an amazing weekend, by the end, by the end, we were still friends somehow, but, um, yeah, that was, that was an experience, so. I'd do that again, but I wanna do something bigger, like, do they do, um, the Panamericana, do they do that from like Alaska to Argentina or something?

• 52:33Matt Farah?

  No, there's a, isn't there still a La Carrera in Mexico?

• 52:38Speaker 01

  That would be cool, I'd do that.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  I just wanna do something a bit edgy.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is.

• 52:43Matt Farah?

  You can enter Baja.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  But can you do that in a sports car? Cause I'm just not a.

• 52:49Matt Farah?

  Uh, no, you can do it in a, in a class one, which is a Beetle.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Oh, I'd do it in a Beetle, that'd be cool.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Class eleven, but yeah.

• 52:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, is that class eleven? Oh, class one is a buggy, isn't it?

• 52:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, class one is, I think the fast shit.

• 53:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, sorry.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  I thought it would roll and die, but it'd be a great way to go.

• 53:03Matt Farah?

  You would, you, you, and you would roll over and die, you wouldn't die at the scene, you would die shortly after you reached. What you thought would be a hospital.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  When the surgeon goes, let's cut him open.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  I was listening to Scotto's podcast and, um, okay, what's that guy's name, I know they're talking about the race, but they're like, if you wanna do the Baja, but you don't wanna. Do something that has to be done in 24 hours, I think it's like the Nora 1000.

• 53:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  It's, it's spread out over a week, so it's, it's paced out a little bit more, like, there's more stops, you can do it with a much smaller crew. It's a, it's a lower lift, but you still get the rally adventure thing.

• 53:38Matt Farah?

  La Carrera seems to be happening in October.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  Oh, and hey, Tag Heuer, shout out, I do some work with them, maybe I'll give them a.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and La Carrera, I, last time, it does, it sort of runs, I think, like a star pattern around Mexico City, so it's not, uh.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  This looks a bit like a tour auto or a, there's a lot of Centaure, there's a lot of these events in modern Centaure. In Europe that are sort of, you know, five day competition rally type things.

• 54:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like a Targa.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a Targa, which is tons of fun, I, have you ever seen the Tuttle East African Rally?

• 54:10Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, Harris said, it was one of the best things he's ever done.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had a friend that did it as well and, and I know Chris had a blast and that's one where you literally, then you can see an elephant, you're like, ah.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 54:20Matt Farah?

  It's huge money. Did he tell you how much it costs?

• 54:24Speaker 01

  I don't ask this, yeah.

• 54:25Matt Farah?

  It's crazy money, it's like.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Too much.

• 54:29Matt Farah?

  It's well into the six figures. Yeah, no, I mean, I don't think it is if you're Chris Harris, but I.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  No, sure.

• 54:36Matt Farah?

  But it's like.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  None of us are.

• 54:37Matt Farah?

  It's very.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Well, he went with Ferdy, he was, he was like his navigator person and they had some.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, and there's some big crashes.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  They did, yeah.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  That's the.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  I don't know, but I'm up for it, do you know what I mean, like, I'm just craving a bit of a.

• 54:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  I love what we do and I'm so lucky and like, there I am driving a 275 on PCH, like, life doesn't get much better for me as a Ferrari guy. But I've been doing this 11 years or so, and the last time like I really like went out there was that 2019 round the world trip.

• 55:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Since then, I've been going to like fancy hotels, eating lovely food and driving beautiful cars, I love it, but I'm ready for.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  I'd like to just challenge a car and me a little bit in something.

• 55:16Matt Farah?

  You could do some like sports car safariing, like we have, we have here, like they're called backcountry discovery routes.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:25Matt Farah?

  They're downloadable GPS routes and physical maps where you can cross whole states offroad.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I like that.

• 55:32Matt Farah?

  You can link a bunch of them together, so you can go from basically Mexico to Canada.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, now we're talking.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Because, because I, my idea a few months ago was, I love this country and I'm not embarrassed to admit that as a Brit. I would love to just explore this country, like literally explore it, like that would be the next conquest and do something like that, I don't know, I've watched this win. How's your YouTube algorithm at the moment?

• 55:55Matt Farah?

  Um, bad, not cool.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  No, my, mine's awful, but as a viewer, it's great, I got recommended this guy with like 12 subscribers. Who drove a, drove a 575 around the US.

• 56:06Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  It's the weirdest video ever, but I was like, this is.

• 56:09Matt Farah?

  Just a random guy?

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's like voiceovering it, he's like a 45 year old, 50 year old guy and he just drives around the US and he just voiceovers it and I was super engaged. And I think that would, I would, yeah, I would like that, something inappropriate.

• 56:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  For the trip, and then as you say, like backroads, bit of.

• 56:27Matt Farah?

  If you have a, I mean, if you had like the equivalent of a Dakar.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:31Matt Farah?

  Like, you could do the backcountry discovery route and you would be likely to not damage the car.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  But you have, you have to pay attention, which is good, cause it adds the challenge aspect, you know, wheel placement would be important and approaching certain things.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  But you would have just enough ground clearance that you'd probably be totally fine to do the whole thing.

• 56:48Matt Farah?

  There's gravel roads where you could just fucking send it, and then there's some like little rock crawly bits and, I mean, I, I would. There's, there's a few you could do that, that I really, we've done a bunch, they, I recommend, they're a lot, a lot of fun.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  And if you wanna explore the country, what's cool about those is like you watch the landscape change pretty much every day, cause you're covering a lot of ground. But as you head north, it's just gonna go from like desert to higher desert to forest to high forest, all that, and you just watch it all change.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  I wanna see a bear.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  I think they have BDR Wyoming now.

• 57:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Wyoming was the new one, Washington was the shit.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Oh, that must be amazing.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Gorgeous.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  But I would, what could you Dakar that's not a Dakar, do you know what I mean?

• 57:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, so many things, dude.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:27Matt Farah?

  The, like, the, the best options would be like a six year old Mustang would be awesome.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Interesting, really?

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Lifted and.

• 57:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Something you can put rally suspension on, like, you just need a couple more inches and like, probably a front skid plate.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say, just a little bit of protection.

• 57:43Matt Farah?

  You don't actually need all that much, um.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  I mean Safari BRS, they would be cool.

• 57:50Matt Farah?

  An eighty-six would be, they already make those into rally cars.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw, I went and nearly drove one in Dubai once that was cool.

• 57:57Matt Farah?

  Any.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, something because, like, don't get me wrong, I'd love to take a nine eleven, but it feels a bit, um.

• 58:01Matt Farah?

  Well, like, you could, you could do it with a cheaper nine eleven. There's a bunch of Safari'd out nine nine sixes and shit.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, that's like the Captain Crankshaft, those guys, they bought some super cheap nine nine six and put rally stuff on it. So if you wanted to sort of replicate your boxer adventure here, but, you know, in this new way, buy something cheap that has some sort of rally support, which most things do, I think. And then bolt some stuff on and, and just go for it. But it, you know, it would take you, fuck, I mean, to go from like the bottom to the top. I think it was five days for us to do Utah.

• 58:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Right? So.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  But I could come in and come out, right? I could do like, I could do a stage.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  You can do it in stages.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, do it in stages.

• 58:38Matt Farah?

  But it's, it's, you, man, you think the country's big on tarmac? Whoa, boy.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:44Matt Farah?

  Wait till you try dirt.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  In the middle of nowhere. I think you're camping and stuff or you found accommodation?

• 58:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there, it's possible to do it both ways.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, there's like marked campgrounds on the maps and there's also like, you know, not nice hotels because you're going through these tiny little towns, but there are something.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  Were written and found and like developed by.

• 59:04Matt Farah?

  Just pull it up, it's ridebdr.com.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  So the ride, you know, each day that the motorcyclists are planning on getting fuel each day because they can only go so far. So there's going to be like a fuel stop at least once per day.

• 59:14Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  In a car, there's always going to be some kind of tiny hotel.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 59:19Matt Farah?

  I'd like, I'd love to do another one.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  I think it's a really cool way to do it.

• 59:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And they've, uh, you know, the maps are, they're originally meant for, for motorcycles, but there's like, you can do it.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  You can do them in a, in a well-prepared car.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  It doesn't even have to be a well, like, honestly, if you went out there in a, a, a brand new, like, Forerunner or a Wrangler or a Bronco, like, just off the rack. Not even a crazy option one.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 59:46Matt Farah?

  Like, you could do it.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  I did one in a Hyundai Accent.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Did I get stuck once or twice? Yes.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  But I did it, you know, and that was like no modifications, not taller or anything.

• 59:56Matt Farah?

  So here's all the states you can do.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  It's basically all west coast, right?

• 59:59Matt Farah?

  No, look, look, look, east coast too.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just the boring stuff in the middle.

• 1:00:02Matt Farah?

  Just show the map, Zach, off that menu.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  To be British about it, risk of getting shot?

• 1:00:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, very small.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  Okay, great.

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  Very small. There's, you, yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  You're just chilling.

• 1:00:13Matt Farah?

  You're on public lands.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Matt Farah?

  You're not going, you're not going in people's backyards. So, so you can just download these, uh, these tracks to your, to your whatever GPS.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  This is like.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Oh, this is what I'm doing, guys. You've just, you've solved it for me.

• 1:00:25Matt Farah?

  If you pick the right, if you do, I would do the northern parts with you. I've already done like two desert ones. And they're a little samey for me considering where we live, but I would join you for a northern section.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  So every red thing on here is gas and or lodging, or gas plus lodging. And then all the blue things I think are campsites. And if you go like this, you go, okay.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Oh, amazing.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  There's like this many gas stations and this many places to sleep and.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Oh, and I would like, you know, for me, I would just do some silly build, even if it wasn't mechanically that just, but, you know, have some jerry cans with me and stuff like that.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  You don't need much.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  I know, but I'd want to.

• 1:00:58Matt Farah?

  You want to look?

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Good idea.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  You'd not want to do it.

• 1:01:01Matt Farah?

  I just mean in terms of, uh, actual mechanical changes. You can make it look crazy, but just like a mild lift and protective skid plates and the right tires and you're there.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  So I took the three sixty to Morocco. We did a ti, we did a couple of little tweaks on that. Just raised it a tiny bit, a little under protection and added a fan on the intake and it was totally fine.

• 1:01:21Matt Farah?

  Add a fan on the intake.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it was getting super hot.

• 1:01:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  And so just a little like additional fan with an extra clip and just when the temps got too high.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  That's funny. Where'd you go in Morocco?

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  All over. So I took the ferry from Spain, went in whatever, I'm not going to say I'm bad with names.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Tangier.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Tangier, and then went east through to Fez. And that's mad because that top part is all green. It's super, it's like countryside farmers, really beautiful. And then straight down from there in, towards the Sahara, then up and over the Atlas into Marrakech and then up the, up the coast. Best of my entire.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  Did you get mobbed because people don't see?

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Nope. I loved that country. The people were amazing. I was like, oh, how do you feel safe? I've never met friendlier people.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Oh, I meant just because the car was special, not because of danger at all, yeah.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  In a fun way, kids at petrol stations, things like that. And like you'd rock up at a desert hotel and the guy was like, oh my God. I don't know why I have an accent, I shouldn't do that. But, um, uh, yeah, it was just, it was just like cool. It was really special and fun memories with the car and beautiful country, like insane country. So.

• 1:02:22Matt Farah?

  I'd really like to go back there. I was only there for the two days for that Dakar trip, but I'd really like to.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Well, so where I ended up was just where you were for that.

• 1:02:29Matt Farah?

  That was shit.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  That's really cool. And weirdly.

• 1:02:31Matt Farah?

  Tenerife was all right.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Tener.

• 1:02:34Matt Farah?

  That place is sweet. Yeah.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  It's my, I'm sort of annoyed that you posted about it because I was like, so.

• 1:02:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, me.

• 1:02:44Matt Farah?

  Me, sure.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Fifteen flights to get there. I was going to start going, yeah.

• 1:02:47Matt Farah?

  Forty hours from here, dude.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  It'd be the next good vibe.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  I get so many people who DM me who'd go there and like just rent some generic car and go up just because like I've been.

• 1:02:55Matt Farah?

  The road up that volcano is, that's the fucking road, huh?

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did a video with the three sixty there and literally I went up and I filmed two days and two mornings in a row, um, for sunrise. And until nine AM, it's empty.

• 1:03:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  From sunrise to nine AM, there is not a soul there. And the best part is they have sort of park rangers, supposed to be no drones and things like that. And you know when you get to the lunar surface, you know, that part? I'd stopped and I'd gone for a little bit of a hike and I was getting the train and this ranger pulls in and they're the nicest because there's no one up there.

• 1:03:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  And he says Ferrari and then some guy like walking around the rocks and he comes over and I just like had the trainers put it in my pocket. He's like, this is a beautiful car. What are you doing? And I said, oh, I'm just, you know, having a drive. He goes, okay, I'm going to watch you drive away.

• 1:03:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think in that same exact spot where you pull over and it's like flagstones or whatever, it's kind of hard to get in.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Matt Farah?

  There was a, there was a group of kids there and I did like a launch in front of them and they like lost their shit. That, they, you go, it goes from like lush, almost Hawaii to like Mars or the moon.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:57Matt Farah?

  And then back over the other side, it's like Pike's Peak on the way down.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  I don't know which way up you went, but the, that's the best way is if you, if you come down that Pike's Peak, like unbelievable road. Because you think, oh, I've done it. That's got to be the end.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  No.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  And I got the best clip. I don't know where, if I've still got it. A pro cyclist, like a Tour de France cyclist, uh, called Yan something, something, was training, doing a training camp.

• 1:04:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  And I blast past him and he films it. So I was doing this fricking all day filming. I get this clip when I get home of me, this, and then.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  This beautiful road.

• 1:04:34Matt Farah?

  That's awesome.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, Tenerife is.

• 1:04:36Matt Farah?

  I met a local at the top of that hill above the clouds who was on like a jixer. Who was like, you want to follow me down? I was like, yes. And he was like dragging knees. He was really on it. And you know, I had a thousand horsepower, but he had the local knowledge and he, we had a nice little time.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're locals really, they, you know, they're some good cars.

• 1:04:54Matt Farah?

  They are very, they're very fortunate if they get to live there. I mean, just.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Just for that road.

• 1:04:58Matt Farah?

  It's pretty kick ass.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would, I would do that.

• 1:05:01Matt Farah?

  And unlike reg, you know, main, mainland Spain, I actually saw quite a few sports cars there. I did not see sports cars in Spain so much.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  No, you don't see, you never see sports cars in Spain. We just did a recce for one of our driving tours and we drove for, you know, three or four days through Spain. You're like, I, you don't even see like a sporty hatchback.

• 1:05:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  You don't see anything. Like it's just.

• 1:05:20Matt Farah?

  No motorcycle, it's weird considering how good their roads are.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  But then, yeah, Tenerife, there's a few, you know, nice cars knocking around. People go there to retire and stuff and.

• 1:05:28Matt Farah?

  I saw, we saw, I saw an Aventador.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's cool. You know.

• 1:05:32Matt Farah?

  But what a lovely place. If you can, if you can make it there, you should. Uh, do we have anything from the people? We should listen to them.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  The peeps.

• 1:05:39Matt Farah?

  The fucking people at patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast. If you want to ask questions of the live show, watch the live show, get the show early, get extra show, get the show without ads and early exclusive access to the collabs and things that Zach and I do over here. Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is where you do it.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Patreon is great.

• 1:05:58Matt Farah?

  I do too. Worked out very nice.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  We're bringing it back with this, well, we've been off air for most of the year and it's, uh, we're coming back in a couple of weeks and we're bringing back Patreon because, yeah, we, anyway, boring story, but.

• 1:06:10Matt Farah?

  It's very important.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Yes. And what, and it's a great way to actually engage because we know more than anyone, social media is fantastic, but actually creating that connection and community is actually quite hard. Considering now there's four billion content creators and all of our feeds are horrific, where Patreon, you actually can talk to people and build.

• 1:06:25Matt Farah?

  It's like real people.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. A guy messaged me saying, oh, you're going on the show. That's great. I'm a patron.

• 1:06:30Matt Farah?

  Oh, good. Shout out to him. Maybe he's in here.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Maybe, let's see.

• 1:06:33Matt Farah?

  Uh, rowing in the box says, uh, will we ever make a road trip video together? Well, we, I mean, maybe, maybe we will do this Myers Manks thing, so.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  I think the last video we did was that vanquish, like twenty seventeen, dude.

• 1:06:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow. That's like forever, forever ago.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  I don't think we've done a video to, you might have popped up in like a Cars and Coffee video idea or something.

• 1:06:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, but the Manks maybe and then also, uh, potentially, uh, off-roading. We'll see. Christian in Chicago, did you sell the Panamera and how big of a hit did you take?

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  I did sell the Panamera. I was chatting to, um, Larry about this, wasn't I?

• 1:07:12Matt Farah?

  He just bought a Panamera GTS.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:15Matt Farah?

  I think he lowered it a little too much.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:17Matt Farah?

  Larry, well, he, see, see how low this fucking thing was? Might have just been on his Instagram feed. This motherfucker was slammed. I was like, Larry, you live in Danbury. What are you doing?

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  But he made, I mean, it's an amazing car and I, I just said to him like, avoid the hybrid. That's the problem I had.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  Look how low this motherfucker is. It's pretty low.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Oh, he got the previous gen as well.

• 1:07:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:07:38Matt Farah?

  I think he got it for like nothing.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that unbelievable value. Like my car was one twenty-one list. I picked it up forty-six.

• 1:07:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Like, um, but, and so, but the hybrid system just shat itself constantly.

• 1:07:48Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Oh, constantly. And the car had a new gearbox whilst I had it, like all under warranty because I bought it Porsche retail, but it was just endlessly braking. I can't, I got out of it fine. I don't think I, I didn't get out of it clean, but it didn't, didn't sting. It didn't sting. I had it at eighteen months and moved on.

• 1:08:05Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Because once they get to that kind of value, forty, forty-five, mine was insanely well specced, like Burmester and all the kind of bits and bobs, massage seats, everything. I think I lost a couple of grand.

• 1:08:16Matt Farah?

  That's all right.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  But it was fine. And then everything was covered under warranty. I sold it with six months. So I would have one again, just not, not a hybrid.

• 1:08:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay. That's a bummer. I like the hybrid.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, and every.

• 1:08:27Matt Farah?

  What year was it?

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  Twenty eighteen.

• 1:08:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, is it all slightly older?

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  Slightly older and every Porsche tech I spoke to was like, hmm.

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  Maybe, maybe the newer generation hybrid is, my dad has a Cayenne hybrid and likes it. Is that no problem? So I would get a Cayenne hybrid.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  I'd get a Cayenne hybrid.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  All right. So you didn't, so not, not too bad. Okay, flock six says, uh, Sam with the appreciation in the Ferrari market, does that have you considering selling?

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:08:53Matt Farah?

  Make offer.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  I am not rich enough to ignore the kind of money that has been offered to me for my car.

• 1:09:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you should.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  I just, I, yeah, I mean, it's a weird one, because it's, so, you know, Chandra Dali, my all time dream car. Wanted it my whole life. I don't want to sell it or didn't plan on selling it. I simply don't have enough cash that I'm being offered three X what I paid for it. And we don't pay tax on that profit. So if someone buys that from me.

• 1:09:17Matt Farah?

  No capital gains?

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  No capital gains. So that's, that's in, that's a house.

• 1:09:20Matt Farah?

  If we don't tell anybody.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Well, new Americans play fun.

• 1:09:26Matt Farah?

  If we have to live under fascism that fucking gets rid of all the guardrails.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:09:32Matt Farah?

  Well, let's, let's live under a city with no fucking guard, a country with no guardrails.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:09:37Matt Farah?

  If, if they're all gonna do crimes, like, let's all just do crimes.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  Let's just everyone to crime.

• 1:09:42Matt Farah?

  Everyone do crimes.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Fair enough.

• 1:09:43Matt Farah?

  If they're gonna, you know what I mean? Like, why, why not do crimes?

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  My crimes will be lower. Um, yeah, I, I want that.

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  I'm saying, but just do one crime at a time.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Yes, and not like, you know, serious ones.

• 1:09:59Matt Farah?

  That's good advice. Trust me.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  Fun ones, fun ones.

• 1:10:03Matt Farah?

  So we should add that, one fun crime.

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  We're launching T S T coin.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  We're in. We'll see.

• 1:10:11Matt Farah?

  Cadillac Sima Ron Burgundy. Are there large differences in car enthusiasm and preferences between the UK and Europe or the US? Or has the internet bridged the gap and made everyone largely aware of and like the same stuff? Do they, do they get trucks? Like, do they get our truck culture in the UK?

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  No, we're SUV fanboys. We don't really have trucks. We've got the Ranger Raptor, but trucks are still seen as actual utility vehicles and, and yeah, it hasn't really crossed over into being personal vehicles all that much. And, you know, we're still, we're still on the come down from Clarkson, Hammond and May, where we all think American cars are shiny. Do you know what I mean? Like, like, the mass consensus is, they're, you know, there's, there cannot be a good American car.

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Um, I think the thing which I've always banged my drum about is that we as Brits inherently stick to our sort of clans and our groups. We're still quite bad at the mass cars and coffee where the guy in the Mark IV Golf is talking to the P1 owner. We're still quite bad at that. It's getting better, but we have the McLaren owners' club, the Ferrari owners' club, the Salon Prive Supercar event, you know?

• 1:11:24Matt Farah?

  Is it because it's classist or it's just because it's segmented by taste?

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  It's a snob thing for sure.

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  So it's not an age thing? It's like, like here, I think you can go to a car show and someone who's thirty five and bought a McLaren or a Ferrari will still talk to someone who's twenty five and has a hatchback or a Rabbit or a GR86, because they're like, oh, I drove it. I was exposed to everything when I was younger. Is it not like that there?

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  Um, I apologize if I'm misquoting him, but Philip Cafferty Machine once told me a story that I think on one of the early weekends, a guy in a Pista rocked up. And they turned away, they were full. And he's like, what do you mean you're full? It's, I've got a Pista. It's like, cool.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  That would happen here.

• 1:11:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  But I think, yeah, in the UK, we're not, we're not great at that. If you've got a fancy, and there's a, you know, there's a club called Supercar Driver who are amazing. I love those guys. It's one of the best supercar owners, events, companies in the UK. But you look at their main event of the year, which they call the secret meet, which is the lowest, least secret thing ever.

• 1:12:19Matt Farah?

  Secret, secret meet ever, right? Yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  And legit, I mean, it would suck.

• 1:12:23Matt Farah?

  Ten thousand people attended.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  If you turn up in a beautiful PTS GT3, you're on like the sixth car park at the back. You're walking half a mile to get into the event because it is just one of one, you know, F1, GT-R long tails that ran at Le Mans, like, so we're bad at that. I kind of wish one year they'd be like, we're doing the secret meet and at the front is a nine nine six four S.

• 1:12:45Matt Farah?

  There's a, uh, there's these, these young guys here in LA that are, uh, running these, these, they're not secret, but they're invite car meets called Treasure State, which is kind of funny because Montana is the treasure state.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:12:59Matt Farah?

  And, um, and they do actually a pretty good job of, of making it a spread of, you know, things that are interesting and affordable combined with.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  It needs to be interesting. I don't see, let's not let, you know, but anyway, but apart from that, enthusiasm is equally as high. We are a car nation.

• 1:13:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, Russian export, E X P tape. Okay. Uh, some could argue that the success of the Porsche 911 is consistency while the Ford Mustang's success is adaptability. Okay. The Mustang fundamentally changed to meet consumer expectations. Uh, over time, almost killing the Mustang at least twice is pretty well known. I wonder if there was a time in Porsche's history where Porsche considered discontinuing the 911. Yes.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:48Matt Farah?

  The nine twenty eight.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 1:13:50Matt Farah?

  The nine twenty eight is, uh, widely known. Um, I don't, I don't mean to say that condescendingly, but like, yes, the nine twenty eight was gonna replace the nine eleven. For sure. And it was, it was, uh, outrage. And that's why, that's why, like, the nine eleven, like, didn't change in all through the eighties and then into the nine six four really, because like, they were gonna kill it.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:10Matt Farah?

  And they're like, wait, wait, we're not gonna kill it? What are we gonna do? Just keep fucking making it.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Just keep going.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  Dust off the machines.

• 1:14:16Matt Farah?

  Keep making that shit, you know?

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  But that's a social media question as well, you know, consistency versus adaptability, right?

• 1:14:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  You know, that's, that's, that's the game. Which is the right route?

• 1:14:24Matt Farah?

  I would, I, I would argue that, um, both the nine eleven and the Mustang are, are consistency versus adaptability. I think the Mustang has changed shapes more.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:34Matt Farah?

  Than the nine eleven. But outside of that, like, Mustang's been a pretty consistent.

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Offering.

• 1:14:40Matt Farah?

  Position and offering in their formula of what they deliver. It's been pretty consistent.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  And I think they both have to adapt a little bit to, to stay with modern Joneses, you know? I mean, the nine eleven has like still NA engines available depending on the trim, but they still have to like find ways to keep bringing customers in when they don't make huge changes. So they tweak things here and double wishbone there.

• 1:15:01Matt Farah?

  This and that. Yeah. Two Ghiblis, one Cupra. Recently took a trip to the Cotswolds, shocked to see Range Rovers towing and not just broken down in central London. That's just all the Clarkson impersonators now. There's a whole economy of Jeremy Clarkson.

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  L three two twos or whatever, like.

• 1:15:20Matt Farah?

  Clarkson's Farm impersonators.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  This is the best car in the world.

• 1:15:23Matt Farah?

  It's like Hollywood Boulevard out there with a bunch of Clarks, just towing sheep around the Cotswolds.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  The value of L three two twos is insane, but after we made that video with Harry, like, literally, you picked them up for five grand two years ago. Now they're fifty.

• 1:15:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, really?

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:35Matt Farah?

  Did you just make a video with Harry saying it was the greatest car in the world?

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, they made two videos talking about how great they were.

• 1:15:41Matt Farah?

  I mean, I recall, I think it was, I forget whose book it was, but it was specifically because you could pop the top. Well, it was the best camera car of all time, because you could pop the top half of the clamshell tailgate and the bottom half had the number plate on it. So you could still drive around legally, displaying your number plate and filming. And when the bottom one, they, the new one, they opened like together and he, they were like, no more.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Do you remember the Freelander where you could put the rear window down? That's another one. So the tailgate stays closed, but you just put the window down.

• 1:16:13Matt Farah?

  For us, that's the forerunner.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:16:14Matt Farah?

  The forerunner, it's a very important feature of the forerunner.

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  You also could do that.

• 1:16:18Matt Farah?

  Stick the surfboard out the back.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Ford Bronco could do that.

• 1:16:20Matt Farah?

  The Bronco.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Way back.

• 1:16:21Matt Farah?

  The old Bronco, the OJ Bronco, nineties Bronco.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:16:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  And I think the Wagoneer before that.

• 1:16:27Matt Farah?

  For sure Wagoneer and, and a couple.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  You don't want to film out of either of those.

• 1:16:32Matt Farah?

  One of the wagons. One of the wagons, I thought, had a fucking, the one where the door, it didn't go down, it swung open like an actual.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  I think that was the Roadmaster.

• 1:16:42Matt Farah?

  Was it the Roadmaster maybe that had the window go down?

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Caprice wagon.

• 1:16:45Matt Farah?

  What other stereotypes about American cars have you found to be similarly wrong?

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, because, because, well, actually, no, I mean, if Tony was here, he'd say that Range Rovers always break down, but I do think they're more reliable than Americans think. I do see a lot of, I mean, the obvious stereotype is either interior quality or that they can't go around corners. And I've driven a ton of American cars that go around corners really well. So I think that's the, the easy can tell, ah, it's never gonna turn, or I can't turn, but I, I dispute that. But I do think, and the, so I really like the Rivian and I've grown to enjoy it a lot. But when I first got in it, my very initial reaction was like, hmm, in terms of against a European, is it, is it a luxury vehicle or a premium vehicle?

• 1:17:26Matt Farah?

  They're expensive. Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Just, and I can't really put my finger on it exactly, but it felt more like I was stepping into a Kia Hyundai rival than a Range Rover, um, Mercedes BMW rival.

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  I'll say this, if it was the year twenty twenty one.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Matt Farah?

  And you got into one of those.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Matt Farah?

  When I got into one of those, I was like, all right, this splits the difference between a Cadillac Escalade.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:17:51Matt Farah?

  And maybe not a Range Rover, but like a BMW or a Mercedes.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Sure, somewhere in the middle. That makes sense.

• 1:17:57Matt Farah?

  Ever car. It's like not shit.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Oh, and I think it looks super, like, there's so much I really like about it and I like driving it, but also I couldn't, it wouldn't tell me the range. Just tells me the percentage of the battery.

• 1:18:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, there's a way to change that.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  There is a way to change that.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  For sure, there's a way to change that.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Just a bit of the stuff, like, it's taken me a while to learn it.

• 1:18:15Matt Farah?

  Set up a bunch of shit.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  A lot of stuff you have to set up.

• 1:18:17Matt Farah?

  And you know what it might be? Like, it's like the, the vegan and recyclable materials don't feel as nice.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  No, I like all that. I like all that.

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  No, it's fine, but they, it's fine.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Maybe it hasn't got the premium touch.

• 1:18:28Matt Farah?

  If you're getting out of a, a high end German car, it may have cows.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  But it's like the Corvette when I came to do the C8 and it was like so much better. And I go, I was like, I still think it's shit. I know everyone's gonna get really upset.

• 1:18:41Matt Farah?

  I drove this, the new, the new C8 Grand Sport Corvette with a fully loaded interior about three days after driving the eight four nine Testarossa.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:18:52Matt Farah?

  And I was like. One of these is not any better than the other.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:18:56Matt Farah?

  It's the same. It's the same. I think the leather quality is basically the same. The screens.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Buttons and things?

• 1:19:03Matt Farah?

  Same.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Same.

• 1:19:04Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  So there you go, but there's my stereotype.

• 1:19:06Matt Farah?

  And one isn't carbon. They're both aluminum. The structure feels the same. Like, it really was a point for the Corvette there, honestly. Oh, yeah, we have more. Sorry. My other car is your mother. That's like almost a palindrome. Like, you know what I mean? It's like a palindrome in how it's, it's not how it's spelled, but it's

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 1:19:25Matt Farah?

  And how it's said. Like, if you say it fast, it sounds like it could be

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  My other car is your mother, yeah.

• 1:19:30Matt Farah?

  It sounds like it could be spun backwards, yeah.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Slammed together.

• 1:19:33Matt Farah?

  Uh, in the UK, the trunk is a boot. Does that make the frunk, the frunk of fruit? That's a good point. What do you call a front trunk in a

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Frunk.

• 1:19:42Matt Farah?

  If you go frunk.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  We don't really have frunks. I mean, like

• 1:19:45Matt Farah?

  Fronit?

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  On the GT3, what do I got like, I was like, I put in the boot. The frunk. I would say the frunk as well.

• 1:19:50Matt Farah?

  Frunk also, yeah, okay.

• 1:19:54Matt Farah?

  Oh, I mean, and do you have, okay, go buy a C4ZR1. Would love to hear Sam's thoughts on where Ferrari values have gone in the last year.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, ridiculous. Um, I think they'll have, they're gonna have to soften a bit, surely. I don't think they're gonna go back down. I think everyone's taken a bit of a, if you're, if you're holding a Ferrari, good news.

• 1:20:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  If you wanna buy one, pretty depressing. I don't think it can maintain the insanity. Uh, I was looking at a 360 Spider that's going up at the Quayle auction with Broad Arrow, and the estimate's 2 to 250 for a 360 Spider. I mean, in the UK still, you can get them like

• 1:20:27Matt Farah?

  2,000 miles or something.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  20,000 miles. Gated manual, but like, that's, but they have, uh, whilst I was sitting there, somebody sold a coupe, 2,000 miles, 330.

• 1:20:37Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  Sold. So like, this is stupid money. This is, because the driving experience is not that, even my, like, I love the Challenger, that is a 150,000 pound driving experience.

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  It is not a $700,000 driving experience. Like, you're just gonna be let down, so I, I think it will soften a bit, but I think everyone's taken a step forward and then let's see what happens.

• 1:20:55Matt Farah?

  It does also, it sort of reflects on like, how kinda little people are really interested in Ferrari's new product. I mean,

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  Very good point.

• 1:21:06Matt Farah?

  You know, the, the, the cars are get, the cars get more and more expensive the further back you go, until about 2010, and then they go down again. And you're like, what the fuck?

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  It's mad, isn't it?

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  What is going on here?

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  It's so mad, yeah.

• 1:21:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, and so, um, you know, I think, I think people maybe are realizing like, having a hybrid system in a car like this is kinda silly. Having a car that's so fast that it doesn't matter that it's faster because you can't go any faster is a little silly. And, uh, and they're, they're a little less engaging maybe than they were before.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  For reference, two years ago, a red on tan, uh, 360 Spider with fewer miles than you just said, manual, went for $90,000.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  On Cars and Bits. So basically, a bunch of them were under a hundred grand two years ago.

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  Which is normal.

• 1:21:55Matt Farah?

  If you were gonna spend over 150 on a Spider, it was going to get you crazy good color, crazy options, everything.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:03Matt Farah?

  Everything. And so, yeah. And they're, and, and Sam is right. It's, it's a fabulous $150,000 driving experience. If, if, if you have 150 and you can get one of these, fucking get it.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:16Matt Farah?

  But not three.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:22:18Matt Farah?

  Get it outta here.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Very disappointing.

• 1:22:20Matt Farah?

  Panic Stop at the Disc Brakes. That name seems to be evolving nicely. Uh, I got Cold Feet bidding on a 987.1 Boxster S as my first Porsche after digging into bore scoring. Coming from, uh, old BMWs and currently a C6 Corvette, do you have any experience with it being as big of a deal as people make it out to be?

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  It's not a big deal.

• 1:22:42Matt Farah?

  I think it's a low percentage issue.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:44Matt Farah?

  I think, like the IMS, it's a low percentage issue.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Get it checked. It's not as bad as people make out. Of course, if you get burned, you're gonna make a whole story about it, and you're gonna make a lot of noise about it, but there's, if you're not burned, you're not gonna talk about it.

• 1:22:55Matt Farah?

  Can't, you can get it checked in a PPI, right?

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bore score inspection. It's usually a little expensive, and you have to go somewhere they're willing to kinda do it, because it's time and money. But, yeah, get it checked. And hey, look, I bought my 996, had some scoring, but it was fine. I bought it with a little tiny bit of scoring, and it was rocking and rolling. I didn't know that, you know?

• 1:23:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  A couple of miles than that, but don't be so scared.

• 1:23:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, just get it, I mean, it just, it's, it's money which makes it math. So like, factor it into the math to like, have it checked. And if you buy one that's good, it's good.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:23:28Matt Farah?

  Jared said, oh, sorry, uh, Talking Cylinder Heads, uh, excluding things like Singer and Gunther Works, what is the most ship of Theseus car you've ever seen or driven? More like privately owned or modified. Ship of Theseus is where you, you go, oh, this is actually a 1987 Porsche 911, but you look at the car and it's very clearly not, okay? You know, and there's a piece of metal this big with a VIN tag on it that, that goes back to some car somewhere.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  I mean, I think a lot of those cars where they just, they cut the VIN out, where they find the thing in the ocean.

• 1:24:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  And they go, but we took the VIN from this old Bugatti, and we rebuilt the entire thing.

• 1:24:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  But it's a Bugatti. Or the cheap version, I would say Exocet. Bit of a curve ball. But if you do an Exocet with some aftermarket control arms, like, well, the whole structure of the car is gone.

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  Or what about one of those Factory 5818s that's really like a WRX taken apart and put back together in reverse?

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's a weird look. That's a weird car.

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  I don't know if those are, if that is, continues to be registered as a, as a what or anything.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  What actually

• 1:24:32Matt Farah?

  My, my Myers Manks is a 1971 Volkswagen Beetle, and I fucking assure you it is not.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely, definitely not.

• 1:24:40Matt Farah?

  There is, there is like, a piece of metal like this big, maybe, from a 1971 Beetle. Everything else is completely new. Revology Mustangs have VIN numbers from real cars, and they are completely new cars that have no, you seen them?

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I hit them down there, yeah. They're very cool.

• 1:24:59Matt Farah?

  They're rat, and they are, you know, titled and, and, you know, legal as, as whatever, 68 Mustangs, but like, that goes to a car somewhere, but I've never seen it.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I don't know, you're not clear.

• 1:25:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, Jared said, uh, The Stig, our old pal Ben Collins, put out a track video with a Carrera GT trying to set a faster lap than he had in the past with modern tires. Uh, he theorized the old suspension was too tired to officially, effectively push the car. Uh, Doug said this validated his decision to update and upgrade the suspension on his Carrera GT. Uh, is updating old car suspension to more modern hardware a common practice, and have you ever considered it for cars that you've had? It's probably a more common practice than you'd think.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would think so. So, uh, Tuttle are just doing this for Carrera GTs now. Whether that's something I'm supposed to be telling people or not, I don't know, but my friend's got a CGT, and they've, they've just done a full rework on the rear suspension and transformed the car, apparently.

• 1:25:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  It, it, it's, uh, and yeah, I, I think so. Even just small bits that you can do, just, you know, even like ball joints and things like that can make a big difference to modernized components.

• 1:26:06Matt Farah?

  Well, I think there was a suspension recall of some kind.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:10Matt Farah?

  And then Doug got whatever they offer, I think, I don't know if it was at the dealer, but they offer it as a fat, an OEM plus upgrade.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Like that thing?

• 1:26:20Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:21Matt Farah?

  And, and

• 1:26:23Speaker 02

  They recall because of the spherical ball joints in the suspension could fail from damage due to mechanical stress or corrosion.

• 1:26:29Matt Farah?

  All right. So that, and then he did an upgrade, but I've heard of multiple different upgrades, but these cars are now 20 years old, so you're gonna have to do bushings in them anyway.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  For sure. And I think, you know, a lot of the time, that's where differences can be made, right, is, is into suspension components in terms of ride and quality and feel. Uh, yeah, I, I, more common than you would think.

• 1:26:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  More transformative.

• 1:26:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, the Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club, would you, do you keep a wall of shame for parts you've broken or damaged in ways you're not proud of?

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:27:00Matt Farah?

  I had a wall of shame for camera equipment that we damaged. I had a bunch of cannon bodies with like holes punched in the magnesium.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I'm annoyingly unsentimental for stuff like that. It just goes in the bin.

• 1:27:11Matt Farah?

  A H my D. Whoa, oh, A D H my D, sorry. Uh, what would Roger Farah's unbiased professional assessment of the TST Blazer be? We designed some Blazers.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  No way. Oh, no.

• 1:27:23Matt Farah?

  Um, funny thing, and my dad was in the clothing business for many years. He, he really liked, uh, our Blazers. He liked the design. He thought they were creative. He thought, he, you know, he knows, um, Nick, who was our, uh, at the Grotto, who was our, our partner in this, in that venture. Um, and Nick, he met Nick, he saw the construction of how Nick makes these suits, and, and he absolutely proved it. And, uh, when Nick first met him, and my dad was fucking My dad was grilling him about how the suits were made, and my Nick came up to me like, dude, who the fuck is this guy? And I'm like, he's the president of Ralph Lauren. He's like, what the fuck shit?

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  He's like, you're just bringing him in here to like grill me on my suits? Like, blow heads up, man, so.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  What a vibe looking at.

• 1:28:10Matt Farah?

  He very much approved the design and the quality and the construction of the suits. He also said to me, wait until you find out what a hard business that is. Enjoy.

• 1:28:22Matt Farah?

  He goes, you know, the first thing about selling clothes, what are you doing?

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  What do you mean? That's amazing. That's amazing.

• 1:28:28Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah. Queer Shiftin' Gears, can wheels be too nice to be put on a car? BBS is on an old Boxster, can be 25% of the value of the car. Uh, the wheels on my Taycan are 25% of the value of the car. Yes.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Both from factory or have you put?

• 1:28:47Matt Farah?

  No, HREs. Yeah, HREs.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they can be too nice, but I do, uh, I get the point.

• 1:28:54Speaker 02

  I don't think they can. I think, you know, especially the lower, the worse your car is, the more fun the contrast is.

• 1:29:01Speaker 01

  Tough, really fancy road.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  When Mike, um, what's his last name? Um, shit.

• 1:29:06Matt Farah?

  Burrows?

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, Burrows, when he made that crazy weird shark-nosed Rustoleum looking thing, but the wheels were cool and the suspension was cool. It's like this clash of quality.

• 1:29:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  Or not of quality, but you know, like aesthetics that are kinda fun.

• 1:29:18Matt Farah?

  There's, we, you know, we used to joke, you know, back in the day about, you know, people who would buy wheels before they bought the car.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:29:26Matt Farah?

  And then I essentially did that with the Taycan.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  Nobody can transform the entire car. It really can make

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  Hey, everyone. Sorry for the abrupt stop to the show. Uh, as any of you heard on the live stream, if you're a Patreon member, uh, we had a technical difficulty, and I was not able to recover the last four minutes of the show. You missed two questions, really a small portion of the show, and of course, Sam, uh, signing off and thanking us for having him. So, really apologize about that. We have since discovered the root of the problem. It's some weird thing with Safari, Switcher Cast, and an iPad, but, uh, we have fixed it. Hopefully it won't happen again. Apologies for that, but I hope you enjoy the show with Sam Fain of Seen Through Glass.