A Wheel Problem; Zack's Religious (Car) Experience; Taycan GTS

Matt Farah reviews the new 2025 Porsche Taycan GTS and compares to his older Taycan; Zack Klapman has his first religious experience in a fast, angry air-cooled 911; the NSX is up for sale; and we find something very, very odd on a wheel. Patreon questions include: The dumbest "performance" version of plain cars? What would we daily drive if it NEVER broke? Ineos Grenadier Game Viewer edition? Racing school vs 1-on-1 coaching Could Porsche ever build a NEW air-cooled car? M3 plans? Need a luxurious, reliable daily for a LONG commute F/M/K: FD RX7, 2003 SL500, 2006 997.1 Cars with short overhangs for bad garages. Will we drive the SCG SC004? Used Mercedes EQS prices are LOW; Buy? Used F-Pace vs used Velar Fun manual cars under $30k? Jaguar F-Pace SVR or Maserati Levante Trofeo? And more! Recorded December 19, 2025 DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. TrueWerk Get 15% off your first order at https://www. TRUEWERK.com with CODE: TIRE Aura Frames For a limited time, visit https://www. AuraFrames.com and get $45 off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter - by using promo code TIRE at checkout.

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  We open with this? Really, it's really a hook, isn't it? I mean, Should have put this at the end. Should have, yeah. And in conclusion, we still can. Is it hard? Can I talk about the Taycan GTS on this show now? That's how we're gonna do that. What up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you, as always, by Off the Record. We love Off the Record here at the Smoking Tire Podcast, because they are looking out for you 24/7/365. If you get a ticket, any moving violation, big or small, what do you do? You get Off the Record. You don't plead guilty. You go to offtherecord.com/tst, input some basic information about what happened, where and why.

• 0:46Matt Farah?

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• 1:30Matt Farah?

  and I compare the new Taycan GTS Sport Turismo to my three-year-old Taycan 4 Cross Turismo. Some things is a real different, other things is a real the same. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. 8:15 a.m. on a Friday. We were going to have Gordon Murray in today, but he's unfortunately not feeling well. And so instead, I'm gonna give you my review of the Taycan GTS, which is totally the same thing. And stick around to the end of the show for a surprise.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Good surprise. One of our Patreon members is gonna help with this test, by the way.

• 2:15Matt Farah?

  With this? What do you mean with this test?

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Well, they have to wait to the, listeners have to wait to the end to know what we're talking about.

• 2:20Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  I'll tell you.

• 2:22Matt Farah?

  What, okay. What does that mean?

• 2:24Speaker 01

  They have a drill, and they have the thing we're gonna talk about at the end of the show.

• 2:28Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  And they can spin the thing on their drill.

• 2:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Science. Oh, they're gonna do science?

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35Matt Farah?

  Like, now? Like, before the end of the show?

• 2:37Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:37Matt Farah?

  Can we get it, can, like, if you're, if you're on the fucking livestream?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  They are.

• 2:41Matt Farah?

  Listen, this is being recorded. Put it down, and go, put some AirPods in, get that drill.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I said, "Do it," posted in the chat.

• 2:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, we'll talk about Taycan GTS. Uh, Zach had a fucking go in Marco's, uh, cool new, uh, air-cooled 911, which is like a 1970-something with like a 993 motor in it?

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04Matt Farah?

  Which is a nasty little thing. Um, I got into the ice race with the Manx. So there's a, we're going, we're going to the ice race, got it now, it means I have to sell a car to buy tires, you know? You gotta make or get, uh, spiked tires. Shout out to Verdestein. Also, they dropped off the new Vespa 310 in my driveway. I have it for like a month.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  This is the one with, the engine's like 5cc's bigger than yours, right?

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  It's more than that. It turns out that my 300 is really a 278, and this 310 is actually a 310. So, it's, it's actually like 30cc's bigger, which is, you know, 10%, makes like 5 more horsepower. I rode it once already. This is gonna be expensive press loan.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 3:50Matt Farah?

  Cause I'm gonna sell this car, I'm gonna be flush with cash, and after riding this for a month, I rode this one once, and I go, "I don't know if I wanna go back to the 300."

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:59Matt Farah?

  This one, after one ride, the throttle response is incredible, and the, the fucking shocks they've put on this? This thing has like, is like, mine feels like a, like a rental car or a scooter, and this feels like a motorcycle.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this has really good suspension on it.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Alright, so you're gonna get a new Vespa?

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, maybe. I'm gonna put an offer in on a used demo, if, when they wanna sell the, the press ones. That's the move. So buy an XPress bike if you can.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Nice. Are you gonna sell your old Vespa to your current trainer, the way you did with the last one?

• 4:34Matt Farah?

  He-

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Your last scooter?

• 4:36Matt Farah?

  The cycle of scooters. Is that what you did with the? Yeah, both of them. Yeah. I sold my last two scooters to, to trainers.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't think my trainer wants this one. Different trainer. Got it. But I can't imagine Sean. It's also a different scooter. Dude, Sean riding a Vespa would be hilarious. Ladies would love him. That's true. Yeah. But yeah, the NSX is up. It's on Cars and Bids now. Uh, we did an 11 day auction. So that it wouldn't end on like Christmas. Now, is that longer or shorter than most? Longer. Okay. Longer than normal. Normally, there's seven days. Okay. So, uh, I think it ends on the 29th. Uh, it does. Ends on the 29th, so. Photos by Tadeus. And, um, yeah, I'm stoked. Right, it's ready to, ready to see a new home. Cool. There's, there's so many photos, please, the underside photos.

• 5:29Matt Farah?

  You have never seen. I mean, this is, talk about, this is like, this car like presents as new, basically. Um, there's like one little nick on, on the, on the leather on the passenger side and like, but the underside of this car. Jeez. It's, it's, uh, I have no evidence the car has ever seen rain. Your control arms are like as clean as silverware. Yeah. It, it has, certainly it's not seen rain since 2017. At least. It, it's, it hasn't seen rain in at least eight years. This is crazy. Yeah. So if you want to know what it's like to have a brand new car, this is what that's like. Like, look how shiny. Yeah. Everything is. Stock suspension components from 25.

• 6:14Matt Farah?

  This car's never been dry ice blasted. If it had, there would absolutely be a document of it in this crazy fucking binder I have that was obsessive by the. What the fuck? So this is what cars look like when they're clean and new. This is, yeah. This is a, this is a 20 year old car with, uh, 20,000, uh, miles on it. That's bananas. Yeah. Wow. So, good car. Uh, fly, brand new tires, fly in, drive it home. Don't, don't need, doesn't need nothing. Everything works, turn key. Longer the drive, the better. That thing is such a highway, big highway car. Yeah, I drove it to Vegas. I drove it to, uh, I drove it to Palm Springs. I drove it to, uh, Santa Barbara, San Diego. It's a lovely touring car. Yeah.

• 7:00Matt Farah?

  Buy it. Good luck. Buy it at auction on Cars and Bids. Take it home.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  So are you gonna roll all the money from this into the Vespa?

• 7:07Matt Farah?

  Yes, I'm gonna buy, I'm gonna put diamonds. There's that, there was, there was a crazy designer Vespa that is like a hundred thousand dollars plus. And it is very silly. I forget what designer it was. But I'm sure you, it, it looks like, it looks a little different than a regular Vespa, but not a hundred thousand dollars different.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Chris John Dior did a collab in 2021 and, oh, that's Canadian money. Those are thirty six thousand.

• 7:41Matt Farah?

  Is it like, does it look weird or does it look like just different color schemes?

• 7:47Speaker 01

  The GTS Super 300 was sold for seventy six thousand bucks. I can't find a weird one yet.

• 7:54Matt Farah?

  There was one, there was one that was literally like at the Pagani showroom in LA when I went to go do the Utopia review. And it was like, it was like a coach-built kind of Vespa. But it was like over a hundred thousand dollars. It was crazy.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Wow. There's a vintage one for 200 grand. It's like the original Vespa.

• 8:14Matt Farah?

  Sure, yeah. There's, Seinfeld's got a few of those. He really likes old scooters. Should we talk about Taycan GTS?

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:22Matt Farah?

  Okay. There is, yeah, if you scroll down, there's a couple. It's, they're not great. That, they're, it's right there. I'm sorry to say that's, but you know what a Taycan GTS looks like. And it's, it, that's a, that's actually, I chose poorly right there because it does have a new front fascia. And I don't know if the, yeah, you can see it there. So it has a different headlight shape. The headlights are more, what's, it's like a, it's, it's got like a clear cover that's shaped more into the front of the nose.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 8:56Matt Farah?

  Like, so, you know, my 2022 there has the sort of scalloped, that round.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Recesed.

• 9:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the recessed bit. So I think the new front end is more aerodynamic and that's across the, the whole range there. That's, that's really the only way to identify the new one from the outside. When this thing first rolled up. I was like, alright, how, you know, right away, how much different is it from mine? If you open the door and sit in it and get in it, the answer is zero. Uh, when sitting, the seats, the steering wheel, the buttons, the, the, the, the, the software's updated, but like, everything else is the same. Um, if you don't, uh, if you don't have the new one parked next to the old one, it's mostly, mostly the same, uh, from a styling standpoint. I mean, it's clearly still a Taycan, it's a facelift.

• 9:45Matt Farah?

  I happen to like how the new one looks, but it's not a radical change. Um, and, and, uh, and generally the experience of being in it, using it, and whatever, is the same. And so, that's not a bad thing, because Taycans are great, but I bought mine used for, you know, sixty-four thousand, five hundred dollars, uh, plus tax. And, and the new one, uh, as tested, was a hundred and ninety-six thousand dollars, okay? So like, that's a crazy thing to think about, in terms of value, that I can get eighty percent, uh, ninety percent of this current one for my car.

• 10:25Matt Farah?

  At least when it's used, just as a sort of daily driver type of car, right? Running errands, commuting, highway driving, city driving, stuff like that. Dynamically, that's where all the other money goes, okay? Cause the GTS has Active Ride, it has Performance Battery Plus, it has Rear Steer, which mine doesn't have, it has Power Steering Plus, it has Sport Chrono. Um, did I say ceramic brakes already? It has ceramic brakes. Um, so like, all the stuff that makes it drive is much, much better. Um, and having lived with, with an Active Ride Taycan for a week,

• 11:07Matt Farah?

  mine, getting back to it, feels kinda shitty. Like, there, it's like, it's air suspension, so it's like floaty and whatever. And, and my, if I get another Taycan, it's absolutely having Active Ride. Like, it's just, it's, it matches that platform of, and the vibe of like gliding, like, so well.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  It also just mutes so many of the weird roads around here, especially like, just around this office. There's a lot of like... heaves and you know the land keeps settling because of Howard Hughes or whatever so there's a lot of weird ups and downs and whoops and cracks and like it really muted that stuff.

• 11:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like there's you know a lot of the reason that people who live in cities buy SUVs or you know it's like and justified our crumbling infrastructure it feels like off-roading like you know I might as well be in an appropriate vehicle for it um and uh and active ride is a great justification for not needing an SUV. This is a fucking sports car that rides like that. Sorry, go on.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  It feels like an advancement similar to what Mag Ride felt like. Remember when Mag Ride when that came out was this holy crap have your cake and eat it too thing and you just go wow it can get so soft and smart and as they updated it the like it all got smoother because the reaction time of the sensors and the motors and everything got so good. This is a big step forward.

• 12:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, um, Active Ride is not substantially better than air suspension when it comes to like hard edged potholes. It is better, but that where it's really better is in like unexpected whoops. Like an unexpected whoop in a road or like a speed bump that's still kind of smooth that shit disappears. That's not there at all. Like if you hit a hard edge, you know, or you still feel that especially because this thing has you know 21s uh on it. If you paired Active Ride with a little more sidewall, that would be better. So my car on air suspension, this car on Active

• 13:05Matt Farah?

  Ride hit hard edges similarly, but the whoops, the the the Active Ride is unreal. I mean, it's it's a complete game changer and the body control because air suspension has cushy ride or decent body control, but you have to choose one or the other. Active Ride can do both at the same time. Which is, that's, that's like, that's game over. For a daily driver type of car that also needs to be sporty, like, that's just fucking next level.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  It's like the McLaren magic, the way they can just do everything in every condition. It's incredible.

• 13:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I also, uh, it wasn't so much that the GTS had ceramic brakes that makes a difference, because I never, you know, I drove it up the mountain a little bit, but I didn't, I didn't really do anything super, super dynamic with it that would justify a ceramic brake. But it had, the Performance Battery Plus has a much more aggressive, uh, not aggressive, but a much more powerful, um, AC charging system, which is what charges off the regen too. So, like, it can do more regen brake. When you hit the brakes, the brakes feel much better and more powerful, even before you get to the caliper. And I really like that.

• 14:23Matt Farah?

  And also, my car has like the base brakes. I don't need the ceramic brakes, but if I get another one, I'd probably spend for those white brakes, the surface coated brakes. They're a little bigger, they're a little more power, you get them with the S. Like, my brakes kinda suck.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Well, like, around town, do they suck in terms of the rate at which they slow you down, like, on the highway?

• 14:48Matt Farah?

  The pedal is soft. The pedal's soft, and I really like the pedal on the, the GTS. Um, and in the, in a panic stop situation, they're fine, but I'd like better.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

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  AuraFrames.com, code TIRE. This deal is exclusive to listeners, and frames sell out fast, so order yours now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Now let's get back to it, you know? A guy like me is never gonna say, "I don't want better brakes." Do I want to, I don't want to spend $10,000 for ceramic brakes? That's when you're not even using the caliper 85% of the time, like, that's stupid. But, you know, if you need it.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. When a lot of the sports cars we drive, and we drive a lot of sports cars, they've either, whether it's through components, or through just the way they've adjusted, like, braking feel over the years, like, I feel like everything is grabbing earlier and earlier in pedal travel. So then when I get in a car, like, the car we'll talk about in a little bit, the air-cooled one, you know, stuff where the clamping force is deeper in the pedal, even if it's really good, even if it's like a 10 piston, whatever, your brain, my brain still is like, "Ooh, this feels like it's not hooking up the way it should." And it's just because everything now engages earlier.

• 19:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I do like a higher Bite.

• 19:50Matt Farah?

  But I don't need a crazy rotor caliper in a car like this when I have such a powerful regen system. I mean, I forget in the zinger. I mean, sure, to run a fucking 22 Laguna, like you want incredible brakes. But to drive the canyon in that car, you're barely squeezing the caliper because that car has a fucking hugely powerful regen system and you don't even really need the calipers at all to fly up a canyon road in one of those cars.

• 20:24Matt Farah?

  But

• 20:26Matt Farah?

  you know, it's, it's, it's, it's a little unfair to go, well, my used 30,000 or 26,000 mile car when I bought it versus this brand new, much more expensive version of it. I mean, the truth is like, if you want a daily, you shouldn't get a really fast EV. That's, it's kind of a waste. Like the overall experience of driving around LA in my car and driving around in this car are 10% different, 15% different.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, the ride is a little better. Okay. You know what I mean? It goes a little faster. Okay. Brake stop. Okay. But like, they're the same car still.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  I mean, that tends to be true for even for plenty of ice cars, performance cars.

• 21:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  The changes are usually small and unless you drive one that's, you know, back to back five years apart, unless there's been a mastic, massive change like, oh, this car had coils and now this one has mag ride.

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  They didn't offer it in 22, now it's in 25. But unless there's something like that, it's always like, oh, it's a little more power. Oh, they, they took this thing from the upper tier and they brought it down to the meat, the middle tier, shit like that.

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I, I, I'll say it again, the active ride is the real game changer. And if I was going to get another Taycan after this one, like I have no regrets about this car. This car, this white car is awesome. I mean, for the amount of money I paid for this thing, it's fucking on point. I'm all about it. Fully in. But if I was going to get another one in two years, active ride and a performance battery plus. I would not even because of the range, but because of the, of the, the, the performance of the battery.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  The charging speed?

• 22:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You, you know, the, the charging speed, the, the regen performance, like stuff. And yeah, like a little more range would be, would be fine. If I could do San Diego and back at.

• 22:15Matt Farah?

  The speed I want to go as opposed to doing it at 74, that would be great.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  You want to go with the speed of traffic.

• 22:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. If you try and do San Diego and back at 74 miles an hour, you're in the right lane with the trucks being passed by everybody, which is silly.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:33Matt Farah?

  Um, can be done, but it's silly. I'm do- I'm gonna do, uh, at least the plan right now is to do the route scout for this Arizona desert event in a, uh, in a Lucid Gravity GT, which has very long indicated range of over 400 miles. So I'm kinda hoping, which by the way, I gotta check, hang on. Um, I have to double check the route that we're on for this Pacific Northwest thing with these floods. Think, I don't know if, I don't know, but like a lot of roads have gotten fucked up.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you, if you don't know, there's been some really serious flooding in Washington and also there's two of them, Montana. Yeah, Montana, a bridge fell down.

• 23:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Um, the kind of upper northwestern United States has gotten hammered by rain and I mean, there's some towns like barns are floating away. So.

• 23:29Matt Farah?

  Um, just last things I will say about the new Taycan, the certain things are, are really improved from my car. Uh, the proximity sensors with the key. My car, 50/50. If you walk up with the key, half the time it unlocks, half the time you have to hit unlock.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. We were down at HRE the other day and, uh, oh no, that was a different car. It, when was yours? Oh, it was the other car.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  It was the other car.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  The other car also had the same problem. Anyway.

• 23:57Matt Farah?

  So, uh, so my car, it's like half the time it'll do it, half the time it won't. Not a deal breaker, but fine. The new one, 100% of the time. Um, the screens infotainment, a little bit faster in the new one. Um, the, the addition of, it's not a, it's a, I'm gonna air quotes, hard button because it is on the touchscreen, but it's a, it's docked on the touchscreen. Hard button for CarPlay, that's a nice thing. And honestly, the hard button for CarPlay. Eliminates the need for CarPlay Ultra entirely. Cause all I want, if the, if the like, if the native system, I get that CarPlay is better than most native systems for playing multimedia and engaging with your phone.

• 24:41Matt Farah?

  But sometimes native systems are like, pretty good for like, doing car functions. And Porsche's is one of those. The menus are not typically very confusing. The touchscreen climate control vents, I still fucking hate. But outside of that, I don't know how CarPlay Ultra would fix that. I don't think they could. But um, as long as you can go, switch very easily between your CarPlay, which is probably using your GPS function, and the, uh, the native system, which you can with this one hard button on the dock. It replaces the button for "phone", because of course it does.

• 25:18Matt Farah?

  I really wish I could get an update on my car that would get that. That changes the game. My, my car doesn't have it.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  That seems like that could be possible, right?

• 25:26Matt Farah?

  It totally does. I'm sure there's a good reason it doesn't, but it totally does.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Floating taskbar.

• 25:30Matt Farah?

  Uh, in other words, they have not improved the backup camera. It is ba- it's the same. But, but yeah, I mean, the, the car, the car is evolving and is, is getting better and, uh, and, uh, it's fucking crazy expensive to get one of these things new. But, um, but they're dope.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  I mean, it's the front of technology for them, right? Like, it's always gonna be expensive.

• 25:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This is, I, I think, barn- this is the ultimate daily driver car. There's nothing better that you could spend your morning and afternoon, especially like, man, if I lived where I grew up, if I lived in Greenwich,

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  And I commuted into Manhattan, fuck me, there is no better commuter. You start with some windy Greenwich backroads, you hit the Merritt Parkway, fucking little bumpy, but nice undulating. Now you get down to Manhattan, you get over the, over, uh, over the bridge onto the FDR and the tarmac is just shit and it's just to ride over. I mean, nothing better.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  This, this ride's like, I think the way people would imagine a Rolls Royce ride. It's like, it's that good. But then you hit the buttons and if you commuted from the valley... You know, if you go over to Panga, a lot of people here that, you know, people use backroads to get places because there's too much traffic on the main road. And this is the great solution for that.

• 26:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it's really, really good and, and it has more, you know, more range. This is a, this is like a legitimate, the GTS is like a legitimate 280 to 300 mile car if you're, if you're chilling. Which my car isn't. My car, if you're chilling, is like 220.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Hmm, that's a big difference.

• 27:02Matt Farah?

  The Performance Battery is a big difference. It is, it's a physically a bigger battery. It's also a better battery.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  How many more kilowatt hours is it?

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  Ah, loaded, uh, it's a question I should know and I don't know offhand, but I bet, I bet the oligarchs, uh, thirsty machine will tell us. Um, it is, it's a, it's double digit kilowatts, though.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  It's 105?

• 27:28Matt Farah?

  It's 105. I think mine's 83. So it's like, it's significantly bigger. 105 seems like a lot.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  I think it's 105 because in 2022, Performance Battery Plus was 93 kilowatt hours.

• 27:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so mine, and mine is non, so it's 80, mine was 83.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:46Matt Farah?

  And it would have been 93 in 20, and now it's 105. Wow, yeah.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, according to...

• 27:52Matt Farah?

  Dumping current. Right?

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Top gear, yeah.

• 27:56Matt Farah?

  That's, yeah, all right. It's a big ass battery. Big difference.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 27:59Matt Farah?

  Lot of juice.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:01Matt Farah?

  I mean, shit's come a long way. Um, these are so sick, though. I'll, I would love to get one. Love to get one. Maybe one day. And then let's go, let's minus the clock 50 years. You drove in 1970. Guys, one more break today because support is coming in from True Work. Zach and I were up on the mountain today and Zach was wearing his True Work coat. I noticed it. But we had four different weathers today. We had cold and windy and then we had just regular cold. And then we had like hot and then we had a cooling off and then it was hot again. And Zach was ready for all of it because he was wearing True Work. I was not ready for it because I was just wearing a regular sweat.

• 28:45Matt Farah?

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• 29:29Matt Farah?

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• 29:57Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, speaking of.

• 29:58Matt Farah?

  And you're like, you're like not so experienced with air-cooled cars.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry. The battery thing is 97 kilowatt hours.

• 30:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  I saw.

• 30:07Matt Farah?

  I wonder if 105 is the new Cayenne EV, maybe?

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Um, maybe, I don't know. I found them.

• 30:13Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Different four S things.

• 30:14Matt Farah?

  Thanks, AI, giving us great answers.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  This is just regular Google.

• 30:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was? Okay.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Just regular old Google.

• 30:19Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, I, so I've had like very little experience with old air-cooled cars. I drove a Mcello's RSR replica thing like seven years ago, I think, or maybe 10 years ago. And then I drove their turbocharged, like their 930 turbo car, but.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  The RSR one was so long ago, like I just didn't have a lot of experience driving Porsches at the time, even new ones. And then the turbo thing, they just feel like there's tons of lag. There's power in the straight line. It was on modern tires, but I think it was just not, it just wasn't representative of like, why everyone's shopping for these air-cooled, naturally aspirated, Singer, Hot Rod, whatever you want to call it, I don't really care. But since, since I drove those cars, the market has exploded, the popularity is way up. And Marco at TLG, who is obviously my, you know, old Porsche Sherpa, was like, "Drive this thing." And he literally said, like, "You don't have a lot of experience

• 31:19Speaker 01

  driving these cool things that are made fast." And like all shop owners, he's like, "And I want you to drive a good one, which is mine," or his customers. So this, and I've got the spec sheet, which is very long. I will not read the whole sheet. If you want that, you can go to my Instagram. It is a 72 911T, but it has the big fender flares of an RSR, they're steel. And then the big story is the engine is a 3.8 liter 993 RS engine that makes 305 wheel horsepower.

• 31:51Matt Farah?

  That's a ton.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  It is a ton. And in a car this light, I mean, I think, I think for most cars, 400 crank is pretty great. You know, you don't really need more than that. And if the car weighs under 3,500 pounds, like you're going to have a really good time, unless you're roll racing in Texas.

• 32:07Matt Farah?

  400 horsepower and 3,000 pounds is the answer. That's the right answer.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the good number.

• 32:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a, that's a Cayman GT4, is what that is, basically.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  It feels balanced. You can't really overdrive it. Now, this car did have really good, it had really good brakes. They're manual brakes, but where are they out of? I forget.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  The brakes? I mean, they're probably just like 993 brakes or something.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  930 calipers, rotors. It's got a diff. So the interesting thing about this...

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  It's like mix and matched Porsche factory parts.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  It's a very hot rodded thing. Transmission's a five-speed, but the first four gears have been shortened, which is rad.

• 32:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's the move.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  That is, after driving this and like I was talking about this, you know, spiders with the shorter Sharkworks gears or whoever, like that is such the answer. If you can't just shorten the final drive.

• 33:01Matt Farah?

  Shortening the final drive is not always the answer because you end up with a car that could be great in the canyon, but suck on the highway.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Right, that's the compromise. If you can customize your gears, oh my god, do that. So the first four in this are short. Thing revs to 8,500 RPM anyway. And then the fifth one is like total highway cruiser gear. It's rad. That was an interesting thing. And then the other one is that it has no sway bars. It has these tractive adaptive shocks in it.

• 33:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Have you used those before?

• 33:30Matt Farah?

  I have used them. I've never, I don't think I've ever used them without sway bars, but I used, they've had them, I've tried them in like Vipers and Corvettes and stuff.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  So the guy, the guy that used to run, I think Flying Lizard Racing recommends these tractive suspensions. And so that's why Marco put them on this car. And he runs them without sway bars because they're, they're so adaptive. Like they do the job of the sway bar.

• 33:53Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Weird, but I could not tell this car didn't have sway bars. Like it leaned in the corner, but not a ton. And then you have, it had a little screen underneath the dash where you could choose five different modes. Now, when I drove it, all the modes felt exactly the same. And I told Marco this when I brought the car back and he texted me like two hours later and he goes, oh yeah, the parameters were fecockta. Like I changed them and now it rides much better. Because around town, this thing was stiff. Like it felt, I texted him after the first drive and I said, does this have solid bushings? Because when you go over the rumble strips between lanes near South Bay, it was like. And he goes, no, no, no, it's just the suspension's stiff. It has like, I don't know, poly durator or whatever. But.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Steering's amazing. There's zero slop, like manual steering, but you move that wheel one millimeter, the car moves a little bit. It was very, very exciting. And I came out of this drive, I drove it to Good Vibes and back, and I totally understand why people spend all the money on this shit. Because when it's done well, and the car is kind of restored, I mean, it has this primer and brown paint job, but-

• 35:05Matt Farah?

  So are you showing these photos? You showed different photos, because it's pretty-

• 35:09Speaker 01

  It's a rowdy looking car.

• 35:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  But, you know, the engine's got low miles on it. The transmission, I think, had 500 miles on it. So it was a very, like, fresh build. And it's just so exciting. Everything's so precise. The car talks to you really well. Shifting is fantastic in terms of the feel of it, like, the action of the shifter is excellent. It's like a little heavier than, like, an S2000 or NSX, but not as heavy and chunky as Corvette. It's somewhere in the middle.

• 35:38Matt Farah?

  So it's gotta have some shifter in it.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  I guess it must.

• 35:43Matt Farah?

  It's gotta have, like, a Wevo shifter or something in it, because 915 gearboxes-

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Excellent call, Wevo shifter.

• 35:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, internal gate shifter.

• 35:51Matt Farah?

  I know my shifters.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  You know your Porsche's?

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  The, well, my Safari had the Wevo shifter.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:56Matt Farah?

  But I had a G50 gearbox. You, a 915 gearbox, and people are not gonna like this, without a Wevo shifter, is unusably bad. That is a shitpile of a gearbox. It's junk. But with the Wevo shifter, it becau-, especially if you've, like, rebuilt it and made sure it's, like, good, then it's good. Then it's fine. Fine. It's not a G50. There's a reason G50 cars are fucking expensive, because they actually have good shifters.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  How much is a Wevo shifter to put on a 915?

• 36:26Matt Farah?

  I mean, hundreds of dollars. It's a short throw shifter. Like, it's not-

• 36:30Speaker 01

  It's worth it.

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  It's not like thousands of dollars.

• 36:33Matt Farah?

  No, no, you have to do it.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, just do that.

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you have to do it.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  This thing felt awesome.

• 36:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you have to do it. 915 gearboxes, third gear is like in fucking Kansas somewhere, you know? Third gear's like fucking getting onto the green in two in a par five. Like, you gotta, you have to be good to find third gear in one of these cars.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  This, I mean, this took a little getting used to, like, the narrower, narrower gates, but once I had it down, then it was just great.

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  The Wevo makes it much, much, much better.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  The Wevo make, this felt better than any stock, fresh BMW shift drive driven. Like, that's-

• 37:04Matt Farah?

  Low bar.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  -people's perspective. Well, they keep trying, but, um- You know, on the way up there, it was cold and this car basically has slicks on it. And I was like a little tentative and being careful. And then coming down, I just figured it out, found the rhythm, just drove it harder. And man, like, it made me, I understand why people spend the money. But I also think this should be the goal of, if you're bored with new cars, try to make any old car feel like this. Like, just focus on those inputs and get as close as you can. And like, this is the goal.

• 37:35Matt Farah?

  Even if you, you don't have to make it this crazy. Like, you could put a stock 993 engine in this, you know? And you could, you could make it a little more civil than this. And it would still be just as fun. It just wouldn't be quite so fast.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, but the straight line speed is part of the equation, but it's not, it's not 50% of the equation. I think it was the steering, it was how good the brakes were, shifting. Like, all the things you talked to were so good.

• 38:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're nice. And, and when you make them really light, like, if you drive like a real 73RS, or like, you know, those are fucking light. Like, the Tot Hill, dude, it's, that thing is crazy. Yeah, when you just like, when I just like move it around in here, like, you can't believe how little effort it takes to get it to like move, or to like, to steer to anything. It's like, nothing takes any effort at all. It's wild.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 38:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's really cool.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  This is, this is cool.

• 38:32Matt Farah?

  So how much would it cost to replicate this car?

• 38:35Speaker 01

  I have no idea.

• 38:36Matt Farah?

  I bet you this car is $300,000.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Why?

• 38:42Matt Farah?

  Dude, that, this engine's gotta be 60,000 bucks.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  I believe, I believe you there.

• 38:48Matt Farah?

  That engine is easily 60,000 bucks.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:51Matt Farah?

  Call fuck, where's your, call Marco right now.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  He might be listening live.

• 38:55Matt Farah?

  Call him right now and ask him what it cost, what it would cost you to have this exact car. From, from nothing. I have no car and I want this car.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  That's a good question.

• 39:04Matt Farah?

  I bet you that's a $300,000 car.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Cause the people are listening. If you looked at this car, you would go, oh, someone has a project in their backyard.

• 39:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it looks like Rat Roddy.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Hey, we're recording a show right now. We're discussing the 72911T.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Um, how much would it cost for someone to get this car made? Like, I show up to your shop, I have no car, and I say, "Please make me a copy of brown and gray primed fast machine."

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Well, I'm not very good at this pricing situation.

• 39:32Matt Farah?

  Marco, I guess 300.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, between 250 and 300.

• 39:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ!

• 39:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah! This shit ain't cheap, bro.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 39:41Matt Farah?

  Marco, let me guess, this engine's about 60 Gs.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  More. Because it has, you know, real 993 RS intake manifolds.

• 39:52Matt Farah?

  Right, right, right.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  And all that stuff, and like, the heads are, you know, they're billet heads from Billet Extreme. And, you know, it's got a special crank in it, and rods, and all this other shit, so...

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  So, if you... If I wanted a car that was 80% of this, could I get it for 150?

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Uh... You could get it for 180 to 200, yeah.

• 40:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, alright, okay.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it really depends on how good the car is that you start with. Because this car didn't need a lot of, like, restoration. It was very rust-free. I mean, the car looks like a roach, but that's because it was laying. But the structure, the bones are really good. And it didn't need, like, crash repair, and rust repair, and all that shit. It needed fenders, and then the mechanicals. You know what I mean?

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay. Well, you're okay, alright.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 40:45Matt Farah?

  Thank you very much.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Alright, thanks, buddy.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Alright, good luck, boys.

• 40:49Matt Farah?

  Uh, so, yeah, I mean, like I said, this is not a cheap fucking hobby.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Well, that's... Yeah, I mean, as I was coming down the hill, and I was imagining it cost 150, and I was like, I was like, you know, I'm not gonna spend that on this.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  That's the problem with this. What you had was the greatest $150,000 driving experience possible, but it actually costs 300.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:08Matt Farah?

  That's the Porsche conundrum.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  That's the Porsche problem.

• 41:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I came down going, "I know this will be more expensive than I'm willing to pay for this, but if I can get, you know, do the fastback Mustang thing with Sarah, my objective is to have steering as close to that, and shifting, steering that's good, shifting that's good, brakes that are good, and then old car sounds." You know, that's just what... What we want.

• 41:30Matt Farah?

  The hardest thing about doing that with a Mustang is gonna be to have really good steering.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's doable, but it's hard.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  It will be hard.

• 41:38Matt Farah?

  It's much easier to do with Porsche.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Is Porsche's old steering and just rack and pinion to begin with?

• 41:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's the problem.

• 41:44Matt Farah?

  And there's no fucking weight up there.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:46Matt Farah?

  So you can have a manual steering rack that feels good.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:49Matt Farah?

  That's not possible. I drove that Parnell Jones Trans Am car had manual steering. It was garbage.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Especially at low speed, I'm sure, yeah.

• 41:57Matt Farah?

  It was awful. It was awful. I was exhausted in 10 minutes.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's very, very true. And this had big, huge front, I mean, this had these huge tires, front and rear.

• 42:05Matt Farah?

  But with no weight up there, it makes no difference.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it wasn't, it really wasn't bad to move around and park. Um, well, that's a problem. That's annoying.

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  That's unfortunate.

• 42:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Porsches are so expensive.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  That's crazy. Now, with this car, I should have asked him, but 15 years ago, would this car have cost that much to build? Because the entry car was cheaper?

• 42:25Matt Farah?

  Building, correct. The car itself would have been much cheaper. And so, you know, you could have done it from there. And I mean, there's probably like, you know, there's ways to approximate this kind of stuff. Like, you can, you can do, you know, you could buy a car that's already got a hot rodded engine and tweak it.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:45Matt Farah?

  I mean, it would have to be a decent car, you know, you know, you could get a 911 SC for 50,000 bucks. And, and maybe someone has done a 3.4 crank or a 3.8 swap and the purists don't want it. But, you know, you get lucky and you get it for 75,000 bucks and, and Marco can put fucking 15 and 20 or unfucking in. And now you've got a hot car for, we're still talking about 90,000 fucking dollars.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:14Matt Farah?

  You know, these, this is just, it's a really expensive hobby. And when you start building air-cooled engines, oh my God, oh my God. I mean, I, you know, my, my Safari car, you know, Marco rebuilt it and we, we did some stuff and it, and it needed, the, the maintenance part of it that it needed was like 17,000 dollars. And then I, for while you're in there, I could get another 25 horsepower out of the engine. And it's four grand. Like what?

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, wow.

• 43:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  It is.

• 43:48Matt Farah?

  It's insane.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Highly stressed, small displacement, NA engine power is expensive. It's just, this is why LSs are great.

• 43:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Because it's almost like for every dollar you spend, you get, I don't know, a tenth in horsepower.

• 44:00Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Or maybe fifty cents in horsepower. It's crazy.

• 44:02Matt Farah?

  And sometimes, I mean, it, a lot of times, it makes more sense to just like swap in different engines. So if you were to find a 72, you know, just find, you know, find an engine from an 89 that someone took out.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:15Matt Farah?

  And, and put that in. And it's, it's not a racing engine, but it'll be seventy more horsepower than whatever it was making.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, geez.

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  And then there's other like-

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Narrow body if you want, but that will change how the handling.

• 44:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Handling of the thing.

• 44:27Matt Farah?

  But also, sometimes people like the smaller displacement, the 2.7s, the 2.9s, because they like rev up real fast.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  This rev, I mean, this is a racing engine. It revs so fast.

• 44:38Matt Farah?

  But the bigger displacement, uh, you know, like Carrera engines, like the 3.2, they have heavy flywheels. So you could put a light flywheel on it like my car, my Safari car had, but then it has that cold start thing, right? So you have to like feather the throttle because the flywheel keeps it, when it's ice cold, idling smoothly.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  I mean, whatever-

• 44:57Matt Farah?

  So it's all a trade off.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Whatever he did with this engine, this thing started immediately. It was easier to start than that Slant nose I drove. Started immediately. It made way more torque below 4,000 than I expected. I did not downshift nearly, like, if you watch the video on my Instagram, I was running it from like four grand to six. Because I just didn't need to run it to nine, even though you can. Um, it was really remarkable and the light flywheel, like, I had to get used to how quick it revs to kind of catch it on downshifts. But it didn't really have any of those, like, user issues that your car had.

• 45:28Matt Farah?

  You do a lot more with a light flywheel air-cooled car, you do a lot more like feathering the throttle in between gears sometimes to like keep the revs where they need to be.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Wow, wow.

• 45:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Man, that's so much money.

• 45:41Matt Farah?

  I know. It sucks. But like, but the thing about that is, is like, it's not an investment. Like, you're not going to make a profit.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:51Matt Farah?

  But if you have the capital to get in. Money you pay Marco to do work, you're not gonna get back. But if you could buy someone else's car, you buy a done one, you buy a stock one. Cause like stock air-cooled cars are fun too. They don't need to be race cars. But like, you know, you, you buy one of those and like, if you can afford to get in, then when you get out, you know, there's only gonna be an incremental difference.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:14Matt Farah?

  It, it, it didn't cost you 200 grand, it actually cost you 12.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:19Matt Farah?

  But you had to park 200 grand and yes, you could have made, you know, investment income off it or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, but the opportunity cost is paid for by the enjoyment of the car. And your actual net out-of-pocket cost is not the actual purchase price of the car.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:35Matt Farah?

  So you need to have enough capital to get in the game. But once you have that capital in your car game, you can then just circulate it and do this. You know, and that's, there's your car account.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  Right? You, you just roll that capital into the next car or whatever. And it's not, you know, you're not minus 250. At the end of the day, somewhere you're, you might even be up, but probably you're minus a little bit.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:01Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can have, you can have this, this experience will essentially cost you 12 grand. If you bought it for 200 and sold for 188, which I realize is a crazy number for most people, but we're just speaking.

• 47:10Matt Farah?

  Well, that math works at scale, right? If you buy a car for 8,000 and you, you know, and you sell it in two years for six, you didn't spend eight, you spent two. You know, you had to park eight to lose, you know what I mean, to spend two. Like the math isn't terrible on that kinda stuff, actually. That's why I like dollars per mile. Dollars per mile is that math applied to how much you actually drove the car.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. This makes me understand like why Type Rs, you know, older Type Rs or S2000, stuff like that deliver similar things. Great shifting, engines rev, those engines work really well.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  And the steering's pretty damn good in a lot of those cars.

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  And you know, the other thing with these, these Porsches is, once you get them built, whatever sorted, very few people actually do enough miles to justify, like, like a top end rebuild is like the 100,000 mile service for an air-cooled engine. It, once that's done, it's 100,000 more miles. Like, this car will probably never do that many miles again. So, once that shit's done, you know, you have a car that just needs oil changes for like 20 years.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Well, the guy that owns this car should drive the hell out of it. I know he has a bunch of cars, um, and I don't think he's listening, but he should drive this car. Cause it's fucking awesome.

• 48:26Matt Farah?

  Well, stuff like this where the odometer, who even gives a shit what the odometer is? There's nothing, it's a, it's a, it's a body and then everything else is new, so who cares?

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole interior is new, even though it looks very like vintage and, uh, of period.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  Is there an interior photo in here?

• 48:39Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 48:40Matt Farah?

  I forget what the inside, I, I wanted to drive this car too, but it, it showed up right at the beginning of that eight day rainstorm. And, uh, and then I had to travel, uh, I forget where I was going, but I was not in Los Angeles. Yeah, simple, vintage, uh, you know, not, not fancy, but.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  No, it's like just, I don't know, whatever kind of style of carpet and very simple stuff, um.

• 49:08Matt Farah?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna say this out loud, I hate that four-spoke steering wheel.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  I hate it in all Porsches.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  No, it looks so dumb.

• 49:14Matt Farah?

  I don't like it. I like a three-spoke steering wheel, very much.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  I totally agree.

• 49:18Matt Farah?

  I do not like a four, I don't even like it in the Tud Hill K's when that, when that thing is made of carbon.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  No, and then later when they got airbags with the VHS tape.

• 49:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's so good. Across the wheel, it also looks terrible. Yeah, no, no Gen 1 airbag wheel. PSA, by the way. At this point, like, normally I'm a. Keep your, you know, don't fuck with airbags, right? Gen 1 airbags are more dangerous than they are worth at this point. If you have a car-

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Because they're old?

• 49:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're old and they're fucking, they're dan- like, they hurt people. Like, if you have a, if you have an impact that's like, high enough speed to deploy the airbag, but not enough high of speed where the crash itself would really hurt you. Like, an otherwise very safe car, like a 91 Lexus LS400. Like, you could get much more injured by the airbag than by the crash.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Oh, because the airbag design hasn't evolved. Of course, that was the beginning. So I wonder if it just like, it inflates and doesn't deflate when you hit it with your face.

• 50:10Matt Farah?

  Dude, like, you, you probably should deactivate your Gen 1 airbags if you have a car that has them. And maybe even change the steering. Just saying.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  The last thing I would say about this is, as cool as the titanium exhaust looks with the giant cans, it is loud.

• 50:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Like, I was on the highway with, with AirPods, with noise cancellation, and I didn't have, like, a little tinnitus, a little tinnitus tickling.

• 50:32Matt Farah?

  That's tough.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:33Matt Farah?

  No sound deadening in the car.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would go with something quieter than that, for sure.

• 50:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  So, but it was sick. It was really fun. Great, a great education. Very happy to have that class.

• 50:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:44Matt Farah?

  Air-cooled cars are fun as fuck.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  They're, they're, they're a really good time, you know? What, uh, well, I mean, we've, I've hit all the, all the points. All six things I wanted to, I wanted to talk about.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Someone sent me the video, if we want to get to that.

• 51:01Matt Farah?

  Of spinning?

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Of spinning.

• 51:02Matt Farah?

  Really? Gold Crest spinning, man. God, I love our fans. Thank you to our patrons who are doing science for us in time for the program.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Here, I'll let you watch it.

• 51:14Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  I haven't watched these yet.

• 51:16Matt Farah?

  Do I need to hit a bong first? Sorry.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  You should hold up, you need a, a therapy bong.

• 51:21Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow, okay. Shout out to this guy. Okay, here we go. This is what's gonna happen when you spin the Gold Crest.

• 51:33Matt Farah?

  Hmm.

• 51:36Matt Farah?

  I'm gonna go ahead. Well, that's not perfectly even. It's not. Hang on. He sent two videos. Let's see the second video. Is the second video the same as the first?

• 51:45Matt Farah?

  So...

• 51:49Matt Farah?

  I'm gonna go with no. I'm gonna say that in this experiment, I'm not gonna call the myth busted. But I'm gonna say, and you can watch this video as well, and thank you very much to our patrons for doing that.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  Jake Shores. Shout out Jake Shores. Longtime subscriber.

• 52:04Matt Farah?

  Uh, in this video, it does not demonstrate that the original gold crest with the black and red stripes looks like a swastika when spinning.

• 52:15Matt Farah?

  Now, I don't know if it's perfectly centered on the drill either. That's why I think, I think we might need to do further science.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  We do.

• 52:22Matt Farah?

  We have to, we actually have to mount a camera on a wheel and do it.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  It's very close, Jake, but I think it is, it's not totally centered. It's probably just mounted on, I don't know, wherever you can mount it.

• 52:31Matt Farah?

  But I really do think that there is, and someone's probably just so mad because they really know the answer to this right now because they studied filmmaking or whatever. In the monochrome, it's just black and white. Here, it's black and red, but then the gold is a third color.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  True.

• 52:48Matt Farah?

  So you don't, it just won't produce the same effect when spinning. And I keep using the word rotoscope. Is it more like Spirograph? Spirograph is where it draws using spirals.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  I remember, I remember the toy when I was a kid.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But I, I, I don't think...

• 53:08Matt Farah?

  It's an animation technique where you trace over live action footage frame by frame to create realistic, fluid moments.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Oh, that's just like...

• 53:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, not roti... What's the, um... Spirograph? No.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 53:21Matt Farah?

  What is it called? You know what I'm talking about, where you spin something?

• 53:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the horse thing.

• 53:26Matt Farah?

  And it's the horse thing.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 53:28Matt Farah?

  Fuck! I don't have the words. No one in the chat?

• 53:35Matt Farah?

  Is anyone, is anyone all capsing this into the chats right now?

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Carousel?

• 53:40Matt Farah?

  Carousel, spinning carousel? I guess carousel is it?

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  Carousel animation? That, I guess that's more what it is, right? Cause it looks like a carousel from the side.

• 53:52Matt Farah?

  Yes, that is something like a carousel animation. But, this is some guy doing it with like Instagram.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, on AI.

• 53:59Matt Farah?

  I mean like old school, from the 1800s shit.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  I don't know, but uh...

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry people, I don't have the word, but you, I hope you know what the fuck I'm talking about.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, someone will put it in the comments.

• 54:10Matt Farah?

  So I don't know, in that, in that one, I'm gonna say, potentially busted when it comes to the original logo.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Well, I, I wondered, did they add the red and gold later? And they went, oopsie daisy, like here's how we fix this?

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  Steven Miller is too young to have worked there. I know that for, for sure.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  We know which center caps he has.

• 54:30Matt Farah?

  We know which option box he chose.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. That conflicted man.

• 54:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, we'll go to the people, that's a good time. Uh, of course, patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast, our patrons are the best, they're fucking doing science for us.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  They are.

• 54:45Matt Farah?

  Into the program. And is, wait, is this, is this where we put the, the original bit of science?

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Zoetrope, someone says.

• 54:53Matt Farah?

  Zoetrope, that's right. Thank you again, shout out to them. Zoetrope is correct, yeah. I knew it was in there somewhere.

• 55:03Matt Farah?

  Check out the live stream, talk to us during the live stream, ask questions for the live stream, get the show early, get extra show. We just recorded the pro show, where we revealed something very special about next year that only the pro drivers know about. Recorded that podcast in the car the other day. And, and anyway, all the things are what happens over at patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast. Is this? No, we're not at the last episodes of the year. Yeah, I just wanted to, uh, well, we appreciate all of you for taking good care of us this year in, uh, in, uh, the year of J-Town 2025. Without the Patreon, keeping the ship going, man, it would have been an extreme struggle this year.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  Fortunately, um, fortunately, there's, you know, you're probably hearing them, skipping them. There's ads on this show, which, which is good. You want, you want your favorite podcasts to have ads on them. Trust me.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Otherwise, the podcast won't happen anymore.

• 56:01Matt Farah?

  Otherwise, the podcast disappears.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:03Matt Farah?

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• 56:04Speaker 01

  So good.

• 56:05Matt Farah?

  Um, in the spirit of the recent news of Nissan releasing a bunch of Nismo models, including versions of the Aria and Rogue, what is the dumbest performance version of a car that actually made it into production? Oof. Uh, the dumbest performance version of cars that make it into production. Oh, uh, I mean, I think like the, the, like, street trucks of the 2000s that were like lowered, but like didn't really have anything extra, like, stock power.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, what was the Toyota one?

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that, the Toyota one, there was like the S10 Extreme, like, those, like, mid-size lowered street trucks that were just trucks that had body kits and shit. Those were, those were no good. I didn't like those at all. Do you have a, do you have a, a performance version of a car that's very stupid?

• 56:59Speaker 01

  I think I just got, I got bothered when Mercedes and Audi just started adding like AMG to things.

• 57:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Just the, you get the badge, you get some wheels, maybe like they changed the suspension, but the engine didn't change.

• 57:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, caching in on the.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  That bothered me to no end. So that's what I would say. That's.

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the Nismo Aria, I would probably skip.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  I mean, that's pretty bad.

• 57:20Matt Farah?

  They're doing a manual Nismo Z though.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, good. That's what the name is for.

• 57:25Matt Farah?

  Extremely excited for it. The automatic Nismo Z was awesome. Except, I mean, and the gearbox wasn't even that bad. It just wasn't a manual. That car will be a delight. It might be expensive, but it'll be a delight. Excited for that. Uh, and also, top, top fucking username, I'm OnlyFans.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  So good.

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  Superb. Zach's clapped out Jetta. Zach don't have no Jetta.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  I did.

• 57:51Matt Farah?

  You, when did you have a Jetta?

• 57:52Speaker 01

  College, I had a 97 GLX.

• 57:54Matt Farah?

  Oh, you did?

• 57:55Speaker 01

  I had a black, black Jetta. It was a GLX. I got...

• 57:58Matt Farah?

  Not a Trek. Didn't come with a bike?

• 58:00Speaker 01

  No Trek, just regular GLX, sunroof that broke. Um, the car amazingly lasted, what, three years? Drove it across from Colorado to...

• 58:09Matt Farah?

  GLX is the high-performance one, right?

• 58:10Speaker 01

  It was the nice one. So it had like the electric seats and the sunroof. Leather seats in Colorado, terrible choice. They're so cold.

• 58:16Matt Farah?

  VR6?

• 58:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, which I put an intake on, so it sounded awesome, exactly. And, uh, I think I went like 130 in it once, which took a while to get to.

• 58:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  It was fun.

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  Uh, if the car would never break down and only needed regular services, what car would you love to daily or have as a weekend fun car?

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Uh, well, on the, on a, on a, um, Alpha, Alpha Quad? I would do that. If I knew that nothing was ever gonna go wrong with it, sure. I would rock that around for like a daily or, um, cause I think it's just stunning looking and it's basically an M3 but doesn't look like garbage. Or Ferrari. Like, I don't know, pick a Ferrari that I just never have to worry about.

• 58:57Matt Farah?

  Five fifty, five fifty Ferrari.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:01Matt Farah?

  I mean, and, and honestly, like, that's not, that's not even like would never break down. Like a Ferrari 550 is, they call them, they, the, um, Donnie used to call them the Ferrari Camaro. Um, because they, not, not to insult them, just because they fucking work. Um, they're, they're lovely cars. It's, it's not even that. It's just like, do I want to? I've never not bought a car because of its reputation for unreliability. That's never kept me, that's never been like, oh, I would buy that, but, but the service is too much.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  What about?

• 59:37Matt Farah?

  That's not true. Ferrari 355. Ferrari 355.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  That's the answer.

• 59:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you never had to worry about that, that's what you would get.

• 59:43Matt Farah?

  That's true. That's the answer.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  You'd buy it tomorrow.

• 59:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Thank you for leading me to that answer I hadn't thought about, but the answer is Ferrari 355. And will probably always be Ferrari 355. Um, Cadillac C-Allistique, that's good. Uh, thoughts on the Ineos Grenadier game viewer? You see this thing?

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Uh, I did not.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  It's the, it's, it's a Grenadier for Safari Lodges. So now that the, uh, Old Defender is out of production, um, they're hoping that Safari Lodges will buy these Grenadiers, which have a stadium seating in the back. Now, I have to say...

• 1:00:25Matt Farah?

  Despite their best efforts, when I went on safari in 2017 with Hannah, we had a Defender-based safari vehicle. And it was fucking nicer than this. The part, the back part where people sat, the customers, was much nicer and more comfy and luxurious. Because it expanded outward beyond the boundaries of the car.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, here they're still, they're keeping all the seats kind of within the width of the standard vehicle.

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  The body is basically, the lower half of the body is just the Grenadier pickup truck body. The same one we drove. They've just like ripped out the inside and put stadium seating.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's got three rows, right?

• 1:01:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, three rows of, plus the driver.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:14Matt Farah?

  It also doesn't have the Bow Rider chair.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Doesn't have the Bow Rider chair. So that, basically the chairs remain narrow. It's like two seats across with a small, you know, there's a lot of bars on it. I also, I wonder, you know, Land Cruiser, or whatever is based on Land Rover, would you say?

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  I'm sorry.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  The one you were on?

• 1:01:31Matt Farah?

  It was a Defender. It was a 2015, it was the final year of the old Defender.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  Alright, I was gonna say, if it's the old one, simpler to fix. This is obviously BMW power plant, but the 2015 Defender is also...

• 1:01:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, that was a modern, that was a modern vehicle as well. Land Cruiser does these as well. I saw a couple other, the lodge that we were at had Defenders, but we saw when we were out there, like, some Land Cruiser-based ones from other lodges. I mean, not terrible, not terrible, and I do love me a safaring vehicle. But, maybe it's intentional. Maybe, maybe the lodge people were like, you know, we don't want them to go wide anymore.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  It's a narrow body.

• 1:02:08Matt Farah?

  It's a narrow body. Maybe this is for fewer people and whatever. But, the ones that we had, had a bench seat that had like, like, it had armrests in it, but it was one big bench with these nice kind of comfy armrests. It was pretty luxurious.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  I mean, these, these seats look very nice. They look like really big buckets.

• 1:02:31Matt Farah?

  But it's just two across. You could do four across at ours.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  So this one seats six people total.

• 1:02:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a short wheelbase.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  There you go, that's a better shot.

• 1:02:40Matt Farah?

  And then the long wheelbase seats eight people total.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Matt Farah?

  I do like the Bimini roof. Nice. I don't know. That makes sense. That's okay. It does. That is a logical extension and I bet they will sell those. I can't, I, I, I wonder if someone has turned one, can you see if, just Google if someone has turned a Grenadier into a quail rig? Because I am, I'm, I am sexually aroused by quail rigs, honestly. Quail rig. Is there a Grenodot? You're, you're not good at typing under pressure. I'm not. Especially when you have a screen that has lag. So, oh, that, oh, look, the second picture has the Bow Rider chair on it. Bow Rider chair is fire. Well, this is, this is a safari rig story also.

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  It's the same truck, but I, but we didn't see the Bow Rider chair, but. I think the quail rig, the Bow Riders were like, they looked larger, more like, and you could like, sit and shoot. Well, you don't, you don't shoot off the rig. That's like a big no-no. Yeah, yeah. The rig is from getting from one field to the other and for holding the dogs and holding your guns and holding your fucking liquor and whatever. But the sickest Bow Rider that I was on had like cigarette boat chairs on the front with a cooler and like, it was crazy. That's funny. Yeah, yeah. No, if you shoot off the rig, you're, you're a dickbag. It's like a big, it's like a no-no, is to shoot off the rig. Well, because when you get to a spot, you have to like let the dogs out and flush all the things. Yeah, yeah. So what would you be shooting at off the rig?

• 1:04:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're, you're just, you're just not supposed to. Yeah. I mean, you could, like, you shouldn't even really be holding your gun while you're on the rig. The guns go in the gun compartment and you're just like. Yeah, makes sense. Chilling. Because if you drop, you drop it, drive over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, okay. Fancy drive-by. That's more, I'm, I'm going shooting in January. I'm very excited. Some birds. Okay. USDM says, did my first Lemons race at Road Atlanta last weekend? Don't know why I didn't do it sooner. I agree. Wants to take the next step to advance my driving skills. Would you suggest a racing school on, or one-on-one coaching? Well, uh, I mean, you will not learn more at a driving school than you would with

• 1:04:57Matt Farah?

  one-on-one coaching for the same amount of hours invested.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:05:01Matt Farah?

  Right? Like, even the best driving school isn't one-to-one.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:07Matt Farah?

  Having said that, if you don't have your own car and access to a racetrack, you know, you, those may be other problems, you know?

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:15Matt Farah?

  The convenience of a racing school, just having everything there. The only other reason I would say potentially is if you really do want to keep racing, not just improving your skills, I would consider getting, attending a competition licensing school.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:30Matt Farah?

  So like, well, coaching is great, but a coach can't issue you a license.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Matt Farah?

  Only a school can.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Like the, there's the Skip Barber Mustang School, Spring Mountain does it, of course.

• 1:05:41Matt Farah?

  A bunch of schools do it.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  There's a lot of them do it.

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, a bunch of schools will do it.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  It's like a two, three-day program.

• 1:05:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And you come out of it with a competition license, so that way if you want to go race a champ, race an A, you'll race at the other series, you just give them your license and you're just in, and they don't have to be like, "Well, what races have you done?" "What did you do, did you do this?" So, um, it's not all one or all the other. And I have a couple of coaches that I've used, shout out to Kevin Madsen, who's awesome. Saw him in Texas last weekend, with, or two weeks ago. And, uh, other folks are very talented coaches, but like...

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  I think if, you know, if you can afford it, one-on-one is always better. And if you can find someone that has a car, and I'm sure there are coaches out there that have cars, they just charge you more for that. But, otherwise, like you said, you have to bring your own car. And if you don't have one, you know, doing, doing a school, like, I don't, Spring Mountain School was great, and they didn't, they gave me no discount on my rate. Like, I paid MSRP for that thing. But, I had a ton of seat time, I couldn't really want it more seat time, the data overlay stuff was really helpful. They, I jumped into Level 2 school, so they weren't saying like, "Here's where you're, here's what apexes are, here's how trail braking works." They just assumed you know those things. So, if you jumped into a Level 1 school, it might be a little bit different. But, um, just finding one that has, like, good reviews and lots of drive time, I think

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  you'll, you'll get a lot out of it.

• 1:07:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Rage Against the Mock E. Could Porsche ever build a modern special edition air cooled 911 and would it be a hit or a miss? Well, first off, if they could, it would be a hit.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Matt Farah?

  For sure. Very, very difficult to build an air cooled 911 that will make the kind of power people want and also meet global emissions regulations.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:28Matt Farah?

  Supposedly this air cooled roof will meet California emissions. Having said that, Roof themselves and people who have driven it said it's not like quite ready for prime time, still needs a little more development. Not a point against, just like, you know, they're trying something very hard. Isn't the Singer turbo engine homologated for emissions as well?

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Fifty state legal?

• 1:07:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think it is. I'm pretty sure the Singer turbo engine. It is, I think it is. Having said that, is it?

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:11Matt Farah?

  It is, but because a Singer turbo is still a Porsche 964, it's not the same kind of rules as if they were building a brand new car from scratch today and they were a manufacturer like that. So like, that's probably one of the things that drives Porsche insane is that companies like Singer and like Roof can make a car with an air cooled engine and sell it and they themselves cannot.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:45Matt Farah?

  That probably drives them nuts. It'd be much harder for Porsche themselves to do this than for Singer or Roof and it's already very hard for Singer and Roof.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  And plus, I'd be, I mean, I guess they can make the price what they want because you have to now, you have to redevelop or bring back to life an engine that's designed to not be water cooled.

• 1:09:04Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  You know, because they've been doing that for 25 years.

• 1:09:06Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  So now they go, okay, we have, and they know how to do it, but they'd have to make those blocks from whoever and then make like the cooling channels and all these other things. And then, I don't know, would it work with the current body style? Like, I don't know. If it's air-cooled and NA versus turbo, like, now they're gonna try to make air-cooled horsepower that's strong enough to propel a new, modern 992.2 unibody, which is heavier than the old ones.

• 1:09:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  Would it be, you know, good? I think that's the advantage that people like Singer or Tuttle or them have, is they go, "What size car do I want?" And they pick one from the lineup, and they go, "What kind of engine do I want?" And they pick one over here.

• 1:09:45Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  And they just get to Lego the thing together and make it the best they can. Whereas in OEM, if they had to adhere to current constraints of safety, emissions, etc., they are stuck in a rut.

• 1:09:56Matt Farah?

  Right, totally, totally.

• 1:10:00Matt Farah?

  What is next?

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:10:07Matt Farah?

  Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club, what mods are left for Zach's M3?

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Got a shifter kit to go in and some sort of brake upgrade, but not really like mods. I don't really need to modify... It's like Porsche, horsepower's too expensive in these cars, so I'm not gonna try to get more power out of it. It has all the suspension in the world, I don't need to do that. Like, I'm gonna put some All Seasons on it soon and drive it.

• 1:10:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cool. Hurday Simmel, "I need a new, comfortable, dedicated work car in the Phoenix area to drive between restaurants. I average 30,000 miles a year for this task. I was looking at a new ES350 Ultra Luxury. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated." I mean, that's a great choice.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  That's a great choice.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  That's a great choice.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  For Phoenix, the roads are smooth, just get a car, yeah.

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  Genesis G90? Genesis G90 is a pretty rad cruiser.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Keep your warranty.

• 1:11:06Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Keep your warranty.

• 1:11:08Matt Farah?

  They have like, doesn't Genesis have a 10-year warranty?

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  They do, just make sure it's, yeah, you want it.

• 1:11:12Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's 30,000 miles a year, you wanna be real comfy. Acuras, great seats.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Amazing seats.

• 1:11:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  I think the Genesis has the nicest-looking interior of those three. The Lexus is just the most robot. You get like, an ES Hybrid.

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Cause you're covering a lot of miles, get something that gets really good mileage, that would be awesome.

• 1:11:32Matt Farah?

  That's so much driving in one car.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  That's almost three times national average.

• 1:11:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:11:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I know how it is, though. If you've got restaurants, you gotta go to all of them like every day. You're just lapping. Or depending on how nice these restaurants are. You go Taycan GTS with the super suspension. Yeah, is one of the restaurants near a Charger. Yeah. Uh, H-Town, till it drown. Oh, fuck, marry, kill the cars I've owned. I gotta do people fuck, marry, kill people's personal garages. That's okay. That's alright. 1993 FDRX7.

• 1:12:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, 2003 Mercedes SL500. Kill. 2006 9971 6-speed with a 4-liter. Yeah, marry that one. Marry that one. Fuck the RX7. And kill the SL. That was pretty easy. Um. Okay, listen and sometimes watch. My garage has a short, steep ramp. 4 feet long and 1 foot tall. That's pretty, that's pretty extreme. 25% great, wow. What sports cars have the best and worst clearance? Uh, for context, my 1-inch lowered ND Miata doesn't scrape. Well, that has a short wheelbase. Yeah. So that really helps you out and maybe the short overhang.

• 1:12:53Matt Farah?

  Like 80s and 911s and 90s 911s are great at this task. Um, cause the breakover is also important to think about, right? Length of wheelbase. Yeah. Uh, 80s, 90s Ferraris are horrible at this. They have huge front overhangs. Testerosas, horrible front overhangs. My Countach, surprisingly good clearance. Tall front, tall nose. Probably a long overhang with the engine being way up there. Yes, but, but like good, oh, like R. Like RS4 or something? Oh, yeah, yeah. Uh, C7 Corvettes. Horrible. No go. Horrible, no go. They scrape on everything. Um, Mustangs are no go. Like the GTD?

• 1:13:37Matt Farah?

  Or the dark horse we had with the splitter. I could barely get out of my driveway. Yeah, but a regular GT is fine. That might be okay. Yeah. Interesting. Long car. Um. Okay, hang on.

• 1:13:52Matt Farah?

  Rage Against the Mock E. With robo taxis and self-driving tech advancing despite EV sales trends and carmaker retrenchment from EVs, will autonomous vehicles hit the mainstream before full electrification does? Um, yes, because they're not linked. I mean, you could have an autonomous car that is not electric. You absolutely do not need electrification for autonomy. You would need to have, I mean, all of those systems that are running need power, so you probably would need a hybrid, but like, you don't, you don't need, um, there's absolutely

• 1:14:33Matt Farah?

  a world that we'll probably be living in where you can buy a level three or a level four autonomous vehicle, but you are not forced to buy an electric vehicle.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  Probably, I guess maybe, the question is, would like a 48 volt system, does that put out enough power for the computing needed for, like, you know, I think the Waymo system probably needs way more power than Tesla's shit.

• 1:14:57Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  I just use shit as just for brevity, not because it's actually shit, although it might be, um, because that's just like cameras, it's just less computing power. So, that's, that will be the question, is how much data load does each system require?

• 1:15:11Matt Farah?

  What's so crazy is I saw a story this morning about, um, Tesla has enabled this Mad Max mode on FSD, which makes it break laws, basically. It'll do California rolls, it'll do like 85 miles an hour FSD.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Why don't you just call it like the Elon Doge mode?

• 1:15:26Matt Farah?

  I mean, literally, and, and so this article, you know, people like Ed Niedermeyer, Phil Klapman, and all these people that we know are quoted, um, and essentially, what, what some people are saying is that, this is hilarious, is that people don't like, like a Waymo representative said, that people don't like how caution, uh, excuse, how cautious Waymos are. So they've, they've made them be a little more aggressive and more assertive, and it turns out that people, even though this whole shit was about safety, safety, safety, safety, safety, it turns out that when people are in Waymos, doesn't matter, it's not about

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  safety anymore, they want them to drive like... An aggressive human driver that won't crash.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Well, because people want to optimize their time. So if they, if, I think people interpret cautious driving as weak, slow, and they're going, "I could have done this faster."

• 1:16:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  "A Lyft could get me there quicker." "Why are you wasting my time? Let's go."

• 1:16:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  Even though it takes like a minute extra.

• 1:16:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, their, their actual sense of math is terrible.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Matt Farah?

  And the predictive math is good, meaning it says, "I'll get you there in 32 minutes," and that's how long it takes. But like, it, it, it, it becomes about like, you, a human is imperfect, you know, and we, we will accept that a human will go five miles an hour above, or a human will cross, a crosswalk before the light turns, when there's no one there, because a human could reasonably interpret this in a way that you shouldn't be programming systems to act like that.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:11Matt Farah?

  You know, like, that's not great. And like, that people want these computers to drive more like them is very funny, because it's against, to me, in my interpretation, the whole thing about, "This is for safety. This is for safety. This is for safety," which does mean being more cautious and driving like, you know.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think, if, if I'm sitting in a Waymo and, you know, it, uh, the parking lot thing we've discussed, right?

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  They don't really go around other cars.

• 1:17:40Matt Farah?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:17:40Speaker 01

  So me as a human, because of my driving experience, the social norms, automotive body language, we all know.

• 1:17:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  You go, "This car's taking too long. I can tell the people are still loading their shit in the trunk, or they're not gonna be out." Like, I can cautiously go around this car.

• 1:17:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  And it's, I still feel that it's safe now, but that's my definition of safe.

• 1:17:59Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Would that be yours, or your grandma's, or a 16-year-old who just got their license, their definition of safe? So that's where it's interesting. It's like, we as a society are nudging Waymo in a direction where we go, "Well, we still want it to be safe, and if it crashed, oh my god, the lawsuits and the uproar would be huge." But, we don't want it to be docile.

• 1:18:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  And we don't want it to drive in a way that is slower than I would drive. So it's, it's, people are kind of asking for both.

• 1:18:24Matt Farah?

  Everyone thinks they're an above-average driver, also.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Very true, yeah, very, very true.

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  It's, uh, I've been in a bunch of these things, and I've been in a bunch of Ubers and a bunch of fucking, quote, "yellow caps" in the last year. I would rather be in the back of a Waymo most of the time that is driving conservatively. I was in a yellow cab coming back from Austin where the driver had

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  no sense of what moderate, moderate throttle control is. It was, no, it was this.

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  While just cruising up fucking Sepulveda.

• 1:19:06Matt Farah?

  Like they couldn't just go

• 1:19:09Matt Farah?

  and just maintain 40. To do 40.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  I'll bet you a hundred dollars that that person thinks that by doing that when they're off throttle, they're saving gas.

• 1:19:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  I'll bet you like all the money I have. Yeah.

• 1:19:24Matt Farah?

  And, and like, you know, a Waymo may not go one mile an hour over the speed limit, but like it's smooth.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Cab rides are oftentimes an adventure. You're like, wow, look at this person going for it.

• 1:19:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  And sometimes you trust them and sometimes you don't.

• 1:19:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And like I, I get that I totally get the jobs thing and I'm pro jobs and I don't want people to lose jobs like, or not, not to lose jobs. I don't want people to lose their ability to keep a roof over their head and fucking feed their family. Uh, if that's universal basic income instead of a job, like, okay, but it's not like, that's not happening. Do you, do you see the fucking asshole said, uh, in a quote, uh, that, that people won't need, people shouldn't save money because like the great, the great abundance is going to take care of everything. AI is, AI is going to solve poverty and it's going to solve everything. And so you just, you don't need to save for retirement.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  I mean, look, he's lied to us before, but why would he do it now?

• 1:20:22Matt Farah?

  I would, the guy with $600 billion says you don't need to save for retirement.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. So please spend it to.

• 1:20:29Matt Farah?

  The guy who could literally solve poverty himself today says that you don't need to worry about it because we'll solve pop. When I become a trillionaire, we'll solve.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Then he'll do the nice things, not, but he hasn't done it yet because he's not rich enough. To go back really quick, I think what we like about the Waymos is it, they all have a driving standard.

• 1:20:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  And when you're in a cab or in a. Or whatever, there's no, you get a driver's license, but you don't go to chauffeur school.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  And learn how to drive in a way that has moderate throttle and all these other things. That person passed their license test somehow, whatever, they hit the bare minimum. So I think that's what it is. It's like, we're all trying to agree on what the chauffeur standard should be for Waymos.

• 1:21:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  And we just wish Lyft and other people drove more like that.

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I, I mean, Waymos do drive very conservatively and, and they, they're, they're, their limitations are very interesting. They can't communicate with a person outside of the car. You can't, they can't communicate with other cars.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:27Matt Farah?

  If they get confused, there's no way to tell one, go over there.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:32Matt Farah?

  You know, there's no way to do that from inside the car either. They could drop you off and stop and there's a huge fucking puddle right there and you can't go, can you pull up two feet? So I'm not in the puddle. Like, those are pretty limiting, but like, how they actually navigate the world. We're right between, like, right across the street from our studio is the fucking tub. Every morning, like, 400 Waymos pull out of there and drive up and they pass, they're right in this corridor between my house and your house and here.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:03Matt Farah?

  Dude, these things drive so predictably.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:05Matt Farah?

  They drive so nicely and predict, when they're actually just driving, it's so nice and predictable. I don't want these fucking things to start getting all aggressive.

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  I don't, I, I think they'll move it up, you know, 4%, but.

• 1:22:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  They're gonna be very, very cautious, as they have been, the company has been very cautious this whole development.

• 1:22:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  Versus Tesla, so I don't think we have to worry too much.

• 1:22:25Matt Farah?

  Mad Max mode, fuck out of here, dude.

• 1:22:32Matt Farah?

  Let's see.

• 1:22:36Matt Farah?

  Keel and Toe, any chance we'll have a go in the SCG 004? Eventually, the first customer car is, I mean, it's, they've been in development for many, many years now.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  I thought the first customer car was that gold car.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:22:50Matt Farah?

  With the cheetah shit in it from. How many years ago was that?

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Wow, I really thought these had been sold a long time ago.

• 1:22:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:22:57Matt Farah?

  I don't really, really know. Adil says Mercedes EQS models have depreciated into the 30K range. At that price point, do some of the flaws start to become easier to live with? I mean.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  This person's thinking of jumping out. If you jump out of your Ioniq 5 into an EQS, I wouldn't do that. I would keep the Ioniq 5. I know your lease is running out, but like, I hated the giant, giant, giant screen. I hated the brake pedal the most. The brake pedal, the way it would move away from your foot when you didn't know it was gonna do that. When it was like adjusting its speed and stuff.

• 1:23:34Matt Farah?

  No, it was when it was using regen.

• 1:23:36Speaker 01

  Regen. Terrible, terrible.

• 1:23:37Matt Farah?

  That's not good.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:23:39Matt Farah?

  The EQE was better than the EQS by like a pretty decent margin, but it still wasn't great. 30K is cheap.

• 1:23:49Matt Farah?

  I'd probably pass.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  I would pass.

• 1:23:51Matt Farah?

  I'd probably pass. Yeah. It's not the EV experience I want.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  Right. I really didn't, I didn't like either. And when I, when I see them around, I don't think they're good looking cars.

• 1:24:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  So they don't look like a Mercedes to me at all. Take that badge off and then think about what you're, blob. So it's not a driving experience or an ownership experience I'm interested in.

• 1:24:11Matt Farah?

  I agree. Yeah. Is that all?

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, no. Wow. Okay.

• 1:24:18Matt Farah?

  Let's see.

• 1:24:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, Chappy says, I keep looking at F-Pace and Velar V8s. A few years old, but if I get one under 50,000 miles, am I committing financial suicide? I don't think Thad likes his Velar very much. I thought the Velar V8 was pretty cool, actually.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  It's a good looking car.

• 1:24:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. F-Paces, here's what I'd worry about. My mom's Jaguar of that same era.

• 1:24:44Matt Farah?

  The interior has gotten very sticky.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:24:47Matt Farah?

  The that that rubberized coating they put on everything got crazy sticky.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  The Ferrari problem.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  And she's looking at a few thousand dollars to fix it. You have to take the whole interior apart. Yeah, so like that's I would worry about that with F paces because they use the same exact materials.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  His the Velar his Velar hasn't been too bad. I think they've they've done basic maintenance. And I think they had to do some brakes at some point like and they got, you know, just get the rotors off the Internet or whatever. Hasn't been that bad and they've owned it for three years, I think. So I don't think that's suicide.

• 1:25:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, extended warranty, though, if you can get extended warranty, I would really be. That's where I'd be with that for sure, you know? That's that's tough. Uh, oh, my God, so many words. Okay.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  Here.

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, Lotus Griopa. Great. I guess is that is that player?

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Europa.

• 1:25:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, Europa. Okay, great.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Griopa.

• 1:25:50Matt Farah?

  Griopa, okay. Uh, recommendations for good manual transmission cars under thirty K. I don't value wild speed, but I love a good engine. Uh, between previous gen M twos, uh, eighty sixes, a five thirty I sport with a manual, no. Uh, anything else that would be good to consider to really learn to drive manual?

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  Live in Texas.

• 1:26:17Matt Farah?

  Live in Texas, coming from west North Carolina mountains. Uh, S two thousands, great.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:26:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, I mean, under thirty K.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  You get a lot of Mustang GT. You might be able to get Laguna Seca Edition, Boss three oh two.

• 1:26:31Matt Farah?

  I mean, you can get Corvettes. You can get Corvettes that have LS threes in them for that kind of money. Um, I mean, uh,

• 1:26:40Matt Farah?

  A news new, the 86 is okay, but not a great engine.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  It's not a good Texas car.

• 1:26:45Matt Farah?

  Average engine, not a great Texas car.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  It's just, it's too open.

• 1:26:48Matt Farah?

  Too noisy on the highway.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. You do long, you do long miles there.

• 1:26:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  At least that's what I've done.

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  I'd rather have a, a two, a previous gen M2 for sure.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  That's a great choice.

• 1:26:58Matt Farah?

  Um, and that is a fast car.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, I mean, if you don't want fast, you could find, did they make it, no, the 228 and 230s were never manual, right? They were all autos. I think they're all autos.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  No, the 230.

• 1:27:10Matt Farah?

  Is there a 230i manual? 230i manual might be nice for Texas, actually. That could be fun.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  That was the light one. We drove it.

• 1:27:16Matt Farah?

  It was a manual?

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, the white car. Yeah.

• 1:27:18Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  That's a very nice car.

• 1:27:20Matt Farah?

  That's a cool car.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  They're not sought after, so if you get a used one, you can get it for like very low money.

• 1:27:24Matt Farah?

  Um, GTI with a tune?

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  That's a great car.

• 1:27:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, well, I don't know if it's under 30, but first gen RS, uh, first gen Audi TTRS you could get as a manual with the five cylinder.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  That's a good cruiser.

• 1:27:38Matt Farah?

  2013, 13 to 15 or something like that, to 13.

• 1:27:45Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, I, I, uh.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Are Supras under 30 now? Probably not.

• 1:27:49Matt Farah?

  Supras?

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, super manual.

• 1:27:51Matt Farah?

  Probably not.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  New gen?

• 1:27:52Matt Farah?

  Probably not. No. Uh, Z4s? Z4s are alright, you know, as are like, as are, you know, turbocharged, you know, your 335i's and.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  You can definitely get a 370Z for that money.

• 1:28:04Matt Farah?

  370Z, yeah, probably the nicest one in the world, 30k. Yeah. Maybe you could, I mean, you might be able to get a new gen one for that. I mean, maybe. Um, LL Cartier?

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:28:17Matt Farah?

  Of the SoCal Car Podcast guys, who drives most recklessly on the street and who's the most grandmotherly?

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  Uh, most recklessly? I don't know.

• 1:28:25Matt Farah?

  Spike doesn't drive fast.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't know.

• 1:28:31Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I mean, I don't hang out with anybody that drives recklessly.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I also don't, I mean, there's probably other car podcasts out there I don't listen to, and maybe someone there sends it, but I don't know, all of our friends are relatively responsible, I think.

• 1:28:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't, Zuckerman, when I went for a ride with him in a car, he beat the shit out of this car from ice cold in a way I would not have personally done, but like, alright, your car.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Like, Zach, I mean, Zach Mertens, he doesn't have a podcast, he's on podcasts, but, you know, most of his videos are like, here's how my Tahoe does burnouts on the, in the industrial district near my shop. Is that reckless versus driving the canyons? I don't know, but it's, it's noisier and smokier.

• 1:29:14Matt Farah?

  Most of our friends are like in their 40s now, like, we, even if we were dickbags when we were younger, most of our friends are not driving like that on the street today.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 1:29:22Matt Farah?

  I'm, I'm sorry to disappoint you, I wish I could.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  There's probably a show out there called like The 1110th or something.

• 1:29:29Matt Farah?

  There's like automotive journalists, like, on press launches that I absolutely won't get into cars with, but I'm not gonna like just fucking shit on them on the show.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:38Matt Farah?

  That's not cool.

• 1:29:45Matt Farah?

  Better forgotten SUV, Jag FPace SVR or Maserati Levante Trofeo? SVR. The SVR is a very good vehicle that was sold at a very good price. It was like cheaper than the X3M and had this amazing engine sound.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  Looks great.

• 1:30:03Matt Farah?

  It rode better, it was heavier than the X3M, I remember that.

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:07Matt Farah?

  But that's, that, dude, that's a fucking, that's a nice car. Good seats. That's cool.

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  I'd rather have that.

• 1:30:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Alright, last one.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Unless it sucks.

• 1:30:18Matt Farah?

  Uh, Matt's video taught us stick and now my son and I daily manuals, there we go. Uh, any downsides to powder coating wheels? My car came, uh, black with black wheels and I want to powder coat them to bronze. It seems more cost effective than getting new wheels. It might make resale harder. Well.

• 1:30:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, first thought, um, the word seems, seems a lot more cost effective than, than, um, than it that, make sure your math is right on that. I, uh, last time I tried to get wheels changed colors, especially if they're already painted, it was like a few hundred dollars a wheel. It wasn't nothing. So it depends on the, what getting new wheels means. You don't say what the car is, uh,

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  That's true. You should do the math because, uh, like if you have, if you can't get the stock wheels in bronze from factory, which I'm betting you can't. So if you're thinking about, you'd sell these stock wheels and then you have to, it, the math is buying an aftermarket set and selling the stock wheels and maybe getting some money back or powder coating the stock wheels and having those all done. So that might be like 1,200 bucks

• 1:31:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  to paint the whole thing.

• 1:31:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Now, I, I, there isn't a downside to the wheel. If you have the wheel, the paint stripped and have them powder coated, like the wheel's fine. And about resale, if the job is done professionally and it's not like an ugly color, like if you're talking about an enthusiast car that's black with bronze wheels, like that's tasteful. And if there's, I don't think, I don't think it would make resale harder. I really don't. And I don't love black, black. I, for me, I'd rather buy a car that was black bronze than black, black. I don't, I don't like black, black at all anymore. So, um, there isn't a downside. Just check your math.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  I'm doing, so real quick, uh, on Apex's website, if you had, if you had a 2022 M2, getting bronze wheels in 18s from them is 1,600 bucks.

• 1:32:20Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  Uh, and that's, that's total. So that's for four wheels.

• 1:32:25Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  So that might be, that might, to your math, like that might be cheaper or really close to the same price as getting, you know, new coating on. And also when I, when I bought wheels from them, they didn't have the wheel I wanted in the color I wanted. And I said, oh, okay. Like I just quickly threw it out. I could just get them painted gold later. And they're like, ooh, don't add a coating to a coating. Cause like it might not stick that well.

• 1:32:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  So if you get your stock wheels painted again, if the coating isn't great or it comes off in a few years, that will hurt your resale value and it'll look like shit.

• 1:32:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, the, the cost to have it done properly, it's not like, oh, I just do it like, I mean, whatever. Um, but yeah, we open with this.

• 1:33:08Matt Farah?

  Really, it's really a hook, isn't it? I mean.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Should have put this at the end.

• 1:33:13Matt Farah?

  Should have, yeah. And in conclusion, we still can. Right before we started doing the show. First off, Gordon Murray was supposed to be with us today. And unfortunately had to cancel last minute, said he wasn't well. So hopefully he gets better soon and we get to talk to him soon. But, uh, but, uh, so we're just doing radio anyway. Uh, then right before we started, someone sent us this video of a Porsche 996 wheel uh, with a black and white Porsche crest in the center cap spinning. And at a certain speed when it spins, which is like, looks like normal road speed to me.

• 1:33:51Matt Farah?

  Um, the crest starts when spun, really does resemble a swastika.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Really does.

• 1:34:00Matt Farah?

  Like a rotoscope. Like if you looked at a swastika in a rotoscope, you know, those things that like the, the, the spinny old like Nickelodeon type machines where a thing that spins and it looks like a horse is galloping where it's like light on, light off, light, you know what I mean? It's like somewhere between flip book and film.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  It was a, a, a shape of whatever turns into another shape because it's spinning a certain revolution.

• 1:34:24Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah. Well, as it turns out, the Porsche logo, uh, and we have a YouTube short from the best possible source, which is apparently a podcast called Dope as Usual where these guys just fucking hit bongs straight up, which is my kind of podcast because.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  This was not the video we saw this morning. We saw a different one, but then I searched, yeah. Porsche logo, swastika spinning. And the top result, you know, was click on it and it is the funniest thing in the world.

• 1:34:53Matt Farah?

  And it's fucking these guys with like pretty incredible, um, quality tubes in their hands. I mean, it looks like extremely high quality glass.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  What I thought was funny is that all of them have a tube. It wasn't like they're sharing a bong. Each one has.

• 1:35:09Matt Farah?

  Well, like I haven't really, I haven't really been in a session like that, you know, in post COVID where.

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  Is that a jam session? Everyone's got their own instrument?

• 1:35:19Matt Farah?

  It was never a BYOB, you know, bring your own bong was was what we did back in the day. But like, post-COVID, I imagine we're not sharing glass as much as we were. So anyway, these guys have power tubes and are just reacting to stuff. And this dude's reaction to, can you just play it? This guy's incredibly fucking high reaction to seeing this while holding a bong in one hand and a lighter in the other.

• 1:35:53Matt Farah?

  The accent on the word fuck. It's not shut the fuck up, it's shut the fuck up.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  When you draw the F out, shut the fuck.

• 1:36:01Matt Farah?

  And it's so.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  This is the best.

• 1:36:05Matt Farah?

  There's no way you don't know what your logo looks like.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  And then you got the one contrarian.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  And then I love the clapback. Over 90 years.

• 1:36:17Matt Farah?

  Can the audience hear what we're hearing on that? Is that, does that audio have to go into our microphones?

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  It does have to go into our microphones.

• 1:36:23Matt Farah?

  Well, so the idea, basically what we're saying is when the logo, I haven't seen it in gold yet, in your standard gold, but in the, both the example that our friend sent us and this example, it seems to be like a black and white version of the crest.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:42Matt Farah?

  That really makes a swastika when spinning. And wow. I don't know if they were doing black and white versions of the crest back then. They might have just been all like the gold crest.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Well, I think, I think what makes it is like the bars, you know, the black bars and the gold crest, which I'm looking at, it's black and red. I mean, we gotta do a mounted shot.

• 1:37:08Matt Farah?

  I think we just have to do a mounted shot on, on my car. Oh no, I have HRE caps. We have to.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  Taycan?

• 1:37:15Matt Farah?

  The Taycan also has HRE center caps. It's okay, we'll, we'll find, we'll find a 9/11 somewhere in this building full of 9/11s. We'll find one somewhere to get a mounted shot on. But we will have to test it with a gold. I see, I think, at least for me, colorblind matte. Because red and black, go back to the other one where it's like black and white. When it's black and white, that's a very stark contrast. And that's gonna produce a much different result than black and red. Which like, maybe if you see color normally, it will produce a real evil-looking black and red swastika.

• 1:37:57Matt Farah?

  But I don't, I don't think I'd be able to see it. But when it's black and white, you're making a rotoscope. Like, that's what, that's what black and white does.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  Well, so, for people like, if you're listening, when it's spinning, the white shape is like, I guess, the swastika, and the black is the negative space.

• 1:38:14Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  And the black and the red crest, it's a pretty dark red, it's a dark shot.

• 1:38:19Matt Farah?

  It's a pretty dark red.

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  Blurred together more, and it's less distinctive.

• 1:38:23Matt Farah?

  I, I don't know, this is a really rare instance where I don't know what it's like to see color normally.

• 1:38:29Speaker 01

  So when you look at this.

• 1:38:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know, it's black and red.

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:38:32Matt Farah?

  But, but, I can see black and red. But, to me, the, when you put sort of certain colors near each other, and they're not distinctly different or contrasty, it could get a little murky. You know, like, in small, particularly in very small scale like this, like on watches, and in, within logos of stuff. And a lot of times, that's why, excuse me. I've had this lingering cough since like Texas.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:02Matt Farah?

  And I've taken mucinex twice a day, every day, I'm almost through the whole pack, actually. And this morning is the first time I forgot to take it, and I'm really noticing the difference. I was like, finishing this pack and being like, I don't know if this mucinex is like, working. Cause I don't really fully feel better.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  What is mucinex in? Is it decongestant?

• 1:39:20Matt Farah?

  Expectorant and decongestant. And like, it's what my pharmacist told me to take. But like, having not taken it this morning, there is a huge difference, actually. I had to take some at lunch. But, point being, without the big contrast, I don't think you get the same effect. Or, I mean, you will, but it's way, way more subtle. The fact that like, black and white.

• 1:39:42Speaker 01

  It's a nice subtle swastika.

• 1:39:44Matt Farah?

  No, like, I'm, I'm just saying like, maybe it's, it could be possible that you don't get the same effect. Because to get a rotoscope-like effect, you really need that contrast of black and white.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  I'm looking up, I don't know if I'll be able to find it quickly, but when the Crest, I don't know, did they change it from black and white to black and red?

• 1:40:08Matt Farah?

  I don't think so.

• 1:40:09Speaker 01

  Or is it always been black and red and it's just like a cost thing? Sometimes you get black and white, you know, center caps and sometimes you get the other one.

• 1:40:15Matt Farah?

  I don't think those are factory center caps. I think that's a, I think that might be, yeah, or maybe you can order it. I'm not sure, but I don't see a lot of brand new cars with those, with black and white center caps like that. I mean, you can get, I could probably get those on fucking Amazon for $25 or something.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  No, no, for sure. I was gonna see if...

• 1:40:38Matt Farah?

  Like, that looks like, that wheel, uh, looks like that Carrera S wheel, uh, like a 991 dot 2 Carrera S wheel that would have the machined front, the machined face and then the black.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  So, this website, this is shop.porsche.com.

• 1:40:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay, yeah, so you can get it from Porsche.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, alright.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  Cause I also, I agree with you, I wanted to make sure this isn't just like an aftermarket thing, so...

• 1:41:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, monochrome Porsche Crest.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 1:41:11Matt Farah?

  I mean, look.

• 1:41:12Speaker 01

  Do they know?

• 1:41:13Matt Farah?

  For real, for real, the monochrome one looks like a swastika when it's spinning.

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:17Matt Farah?

  Something tells me the gold one won't.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Porsche.

• 1:41:21Matt Farah?

  Or at least not as much.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  Is this, oh, Porsche.com, Porsche, so this is Porsche.com and they call these, a new website for those listening, Porsche.com calls these the Porsche Classic hubcaps.

• 1:41:33Matt Farah?

  Uh-oh, that's not helping the case.

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  It's not helping the case.

• 1:41:35Matt Farah?

  That's not helping the case.

• 1:41:36Speaker 01

  So, these are on a set of fuchs, this is definitely an older car.

• 1:41:38Matt Farah?

  It looks like, yeah, like a late 60s, early 70s.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  Black and white center cap with a white surround.

• 1:41:43Matt Farah?

  Uh-oh, I might be wrong here. Wait, go, what is the description there? Available in the form of the new edition of hubcaps for the 65 to 73? Well, it's not going back to the 40s, that's for sure.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  Never forget, they say.

• 1:41:57Matt Farah?

  Wow. Okay, okay, yep, well, uh, really...

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  Should we email the Porsche reps?

• 1:42:05Matt Farah?

  Should we get a quote from somebody about that?

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Maybe we should.

• 1:42:09Matt Farah?

  Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. That is, that's certainly a thing. That's our show, guys. I'm sorry Gordon Murray's not here with us. I hope he's alright. We'll recover quickly and we'll talk to him soon. Thank you for joining us today. Appreciate you for all of 2025, really. And if you want a great NSX, it's on Cars and Bids right now. See you guys later. Bye.