Turbo Flyin' Miata Review; ID. Buzz 1st Impressions; Cybertrucks Go Home

Flyin' Miata built a new 5-state legal turbo kit for the NC generation Miata and we drove it! What's the power? How does it feel? Is it even worth it if it's allowed in CA? Plus, we give our first impressions on VW's nostalgia-inspired ID. Buzz, the EV version of it's famous hippy bus. Tesla is finally letting Cybertruck owners return their leases, and we answer Patreon questions. DeleteMe Take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for DeleteMe. Now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Car Gurus Buy or sell your next car today with Car Gurus at Car Gurus! Go to https://www.cargurus.com to make sure your big deal is the best deal. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Tweet at us! https://www. Twitter.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Twitter.com/zackklapman Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:26Matt Farah?

  the 405 freeway. We seem to be doing this a lot. Frankly, it's very convenient to use our time commuting back to the office to record podcasts. Let us know what you think about that convenience in the comments. Anyway, we're in the all-new Volkswagen ID Buzz, something I'd want to try for quite some time. And we've just come off the mountain where we have driven Flyin' Miata's new carb legal turbo kit. So we talk about that a little bit and we have a little chuckle at the depreciation of the Cybertruck as well as the unsold inventory. Something tells me that may not turn around. It's the Smoking Tire. Let's take a drive.

• 2:13Matt Farah?

  Hola, bienvenu.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Welcome to the greenhouse.

• 2:16Matt Farah?

  Welcome, welcome to the, to our, to a van. To our fake cab forward van.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  Coming to you live from the Volkswagen ID Buzz. Uh, a real unforced error of a name, if you asked me. ID Buzz don't mean nothing. They could have called it any number of things, other than what they called it. But ID Buzz it is, and, uh, they've already announced they're gonna be dropping the ID nomenclature from their electric vehicles next generation.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  That makes sense. It doesn't, it doesn't add any whimsy, and it kind of, that, that fights against the buzz.

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  I think, uh, and ID4 meant nothing to anybody.

• 2:58Matt Farah?

  You know what ID stands for? Isn't Diesel.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Ha.

• 3:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, probably.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 3:05Matt Farah?

  That's probably true. Internally, y'all, if he called it Isn't Diesel.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  It should be publicly that name too, because they'd be like, "By the way, this is not diesel, we're not doing this thing again, we swear this time."

• 3:16Matt Farah?

  Well, Volkswagen's entire EV program is basically, "Sorry about the diesel, y'all."

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Oops.

• 3:23Matt Farah?

  So, anyway, the ID Buzz, this is, uh, this is here to really tap into what's left of that boomer energy in those boomer bank accounts.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Before they die.

• 3:33Matt Farah?

  Before they die. Before they die, let's get 75 out of them for a minivan.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Remember the bus? This is different, but it sort of looks, kind of, it does a pretty good impression of being a cab over car, from the outside.

• 3:45Matt Farah?

  From the outside.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  But this, I can't reach the windshield.

• 3:48Matt Farah?

  Right. Which, you know, brings you to sort of the point of like, why they can't have cab forward vehicles anymore. I, as an owner of a Delica, I can tell you, because your knees are the crumple zones.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:03Matt Farah?

  So what they've done here, it's actually very creative, is they've given you a flat-fronted vehicle, but the driver is sitting like six feet from the windshield.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:14Matt Farah?

  I'm like way back. This actually feels like driving a monorail.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. It has a very train aspect.

• 4:19Matt Farah?

  It's such a train vibe.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  And plus, like, the wraparound windshield, with the exception of, like, you know, it's got all these pillars, but we have the windows through the pillars. Yeah. And the flat-faced windshield, what they did, at least at my height, is it makes the dash look smaller, because the seating position's not that high. But if I sit up, then I see the truth.

• 4:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Then I see how far I have to go before I reach home.

• 4:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And it is a fun optical illusion, but it's not the same thing as having a truly cab-forward vehicle.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  And I don't want to make this podcast a review on this, because we just got this yesterday, and we've, that's just, those are what I would call first impressions of this thing. I mean, ultimately, it drives like a lot of other EVs drive, and it's a big electric minivan that's full of whimsy and nostalgia, right?

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it looks pretty cool inside and outside. But that's a first impression.

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  And it really, really, and I said this on Spike's show, and it became a clip, it really depends on color. You get this thing in a two-tone hippie color, and it looks fabulous. You get it in black-black, or silver-silver, or white-white, and it looks like the saddest Uber ever. Like, really sad.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  You need the color, because it's, the shape on the front is trying to smile.

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  And you need that contrast. And plus, then it looks interesting, and, you know, like, it literally brightens the world.

• 5:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  But if you try to make it look like a Mercedes, you know, black-black, then it's not a Mercedes.

• 5:46Matt Farah?

  So, anyway, we're on the road. It's a busy week. We have to, we had to make three videos this week, so we're doing podcasts from the ID Buzz on the way back from our first shoot, which was the, uh, excuse me, our second shoot. Our first shoot was my Taycan six-month update yesterday, which, there were no surprises, and that video should be out, actually, the same day this podcast comes out, right?

• 6:11Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 6:12Matt Farah?

  And then, uh, we've got the Flyin Miata Carb-Legal Turbo we just drove. NC Turbo. Quite lovely, actually.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Really great.

• 6:22Matt Farah?

  Quite good.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Oh, man. I started doing money math so quickly.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's about, it's like $6,000 for the full kit. As a kit, like in a crate. And then it's probably another, he said 20 hours of labor, so whatever your local labor rate is. And it's California smog legal, has an EO number, or at least it will have an EO number in six to 12 weeks when one is issued. But it passed smog.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  And it passed the EO EPA regulation test, they're just waiting, they're literally waiting for that number. It's not like they're hoping to get it.

• 6:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. And if you don't live in California, like the other 49 states, you can buy that basically the same turbo kit right now, just without the sticker on it. That person almost just backed right into us.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did not slow down at all.

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  They didn't slow down.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  They had a tow hitch they were leading with.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  That would have pulled a real Titanic on the side of the ID Buzz, you know, just ripped as you go past with a tow hitch.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 7:21Matt Farah?

  Like can opener, right open.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  Um, that's, I watched a video uh, last night on Instagram, just a clip of someone, and I don't know if the caption is to believed, and the truth is, it doesn't really matter, but it looks like an early AMG GT with the first gen dash, okay? Uh, on a track, um, somewhere in Asia, a big track, looks like it could have been a Formula One style track. Um, but I didn't know what track it was, but the guy lost, lost all brakes, or most of his brakes at the end of the front straight. And, I mean, hits the wall pretty much head on at like, you know, over a hundred. In a road car, you know, not in a, not in a race car.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Yikes.

• 8:09Matt Farah?

  And, and according to the caption, which again, you know, who fucking knows, but says they survived, but it was a, it was a real, a real reminder of, you know, from the time that this person, and I don't know their skill level or anything, but, but the time in between when they realized they had no brakes, and when they exited the track, and then hit the wall, you're probably talking about two and a half seconds.

• 8:35Matt Farah?

  You know, because they went right through the full braking zone at 170 miles an hour.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Yikes.

• 8:40Matt Farah?

  You know, so that braking zone at full speed is not long.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  That's a, but that's a long two seconds of like, seeing what's gonna happen. You can't do anything. Man, I hope they're okay. That's terrible.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  I don't know about okay, but the caption did say that they didn't die.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:55Matt Farah?

  So, uh, it was extremely gnarly to watch though, but it did like really remind me about,

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  about when you're on a track, like, that dude was like totally chilling, right up until he didn't have brakes anymore.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, and who knows about like, was it a brake failure? Was it under prep or what? I don't know. Who knows?

• 9:16Matt Farah?

  Is that for me, water? Is your water down there?

• 9:18Speaker 01

  That's for you. That's new. Mine's here.

• 9:20Matt Farah?

  Alright, great. Uh, yeah, really, that is bad stuff.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  If you live, you're okay. If you crash at 170 and survive, like, anything at that point is a win, in my opinion.

• 9:41Matt Farah?

  We're in, uh, we're in the ID Buzz, which is a sort of hypey type vehicle, right? Like, people are, people are pretty hyped on this thing.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, they were hyped and then eight years later, they had to get rehyped. I think that was the big thing about it. People were so excited. I mean, that's the power of nostalgia. They released the concept, it was like a decade ago, and everyone went, "Yes! Do it!" We love, because everyone loves a friendly VW bus, and then it took a long time to get it made.

• 10:10Matt Farah?

  But, now it's like, now they're moving them, right? At least in the right colors. They're moving them in the right colors. Volkswagen started offering wraps, dealer wraps, to help sell the monochrome ones they ordered.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  You know, because like, people are ordering them in bright colors, but dealers are such pussies. They don't want to, they're not gonna buy a bunch of bright colors ones. They're buying the like, conservative colors ones. And then, like, shocking, nobody wants them.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Oh, that's funny.

• 10:37Matt Farah?

  And so they're starting to do like, dealer wraps.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Smart solution, honestly. And I bet the next year's inventory will be more colorful.

• 10:46Matt Farah?

  Probably, yeah. But I did, I did reconfirm that story we talked about yesterday about Tesla sitting on 10,000 unsold Cybertrucks worth $800 million. Folks, gotta take a break from the action because today's episode is brought to you by CarGurus. Making a big car purchase should come with confidence, not confusion. And CarGurus helps you cut through the noise, showing you the best deals and in-depth vehicle details so you can feel confident about your purchase. When it comes to your big deal, you deserve the best deal. Car shopping is crazy in America right now. There's so many cars, there's so many sites, you have no idea which are like scammy, which

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• 15:07Speaker 01

  Speaking of which, here's one that made it out. It escaped and weaving, also weaving.

• 15:12Matt Farah?

  It's weaving a lot. Oh, that, that person, I mean, might've had a stroke while driving. I don't know. It's hard to tell when people are driving like that. Um, but, uh, the...

• 15:22Matt Farah?

  Tesla's finally starting, you see, to take them in on trade. They weren't taking them in on trade. For like the whole first year and a half.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  He said, no, we don't want it back.

• 15:32Matt Farah?

  And nobody else wanted to take them on trade either.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:34Matt Farah?

  Cause they were like showroom poison, you couldn't get rid of them. And so finally Tesla has agreed to take them in on trade. And one of the articles printed the depreciation curve. And a six, uh, six thousand mile examples are being traded in at minus thirty five thousand.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:52Matt Farah?

  So that's about five sixty a mile in depreciation.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  I wonder what the depreciation is of like an AMG or, I don't know, something like that.

• 16:03Matt Farah?

  Uh, well.

• 16:07Matt Farah?

  I don't know about short, I don't know, I don't have a comp on hand for like short. It's, it's probably worse. But not much worse than one of those like mid-tier AMGs. Like an AMG fifty-three, it's probably not as bad as that. But that's pretty bad.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  That's, it is, um, let's.

• 16:27Matt Farah?

  Dude, it costs you, it costs to, for, to cost you five sixty a mile. And not even burn, not burn gas is, is wild stuff. And had not have to pay for maintenance. The Bentley all-in, my thirty-year-old Bentley cost me a dollar a mile.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Oh, that's pretty great.

• 16:49Matt Farah?

  Well, it just costs five and a half times more per mile.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  So, real quick, this is from caredge.com, it was the first result, I don't know who they are, but they, they looked at like the averages of all Mercedes.

• 17:01Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  And, um, this was, they're picking their best model year value, but so they picked the twenty twenty-three, they think is the best because with the twenty twenty-three, today you will pay sixty-six percent of the price as new.

• 17:15Matt Farah?

  Well, that's thirty-five percent.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:16Matt Farah?

  And that's three years, okay, does it say with how many miles though? I'm guessing that number's more than six thousand miles. It might not be sixty thousand, but it's probably more than six.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:28Matt Farah?

  That's probably twenty-five, thirty thousand mile car, right? So this is worse than that.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  This is very, this is much worse.

• 17:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  I'm a money calculator, ooh.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 17:39Matt Farah?

  That's bad.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  I think the demand is down and maybe for a variety of reasons, I don't know, I could speculate about a bunch of them. And like, not even just the political side of it, like, the, the whole thing with the, the Cybertruck was like, people put deposits down, but they were refundable and they were a hundred dollars.

• 17:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  So, people may have shown more interest than they could. The economy has changed since then, they have to pull back that deposit, so maybe they overproduced them.

• 18:02Matt Farah?

  Well, they also thought they were putting a deposit on a forty or fifty thousand dollar truck. Not a seventy to a hundred thousand dollar truck.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 18:10Matt Farah?

  They thought they were putting a deposit down on something with five hundred miles of range. They thought they were putting a deposit down on all these things that fucking liar liar said it would do and said it would have.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  The range, the range extender is no longer on the website.

• 18:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so didn't, didn't deliver on any metric, except that it looks like the content. It's the only metric it was delivered on.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  So that, that probably factors into the trade-in or the resale, because there's just smaller demand even for new ones, let alone for used ones, and then add in, of course, political climate.

• 18:41Matt Farah?

  Right, so, the question now that that makes me think of, and in fact, when I talked about to fucking Joe Rogan, about it being a scam back in 2019, Tesla's, with their low threshold of deposit, they went to the government and said, "We've got two million deposits for this thing, we need some money." And they got a huge loan.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Tesla would never take money from the government, Matt.

• 19:06Matt Farah?

  No, never.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  They would never, ever, ever do that.

• 19:08Matt Farah?

  The government teat is bad.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:10Matt Farah?

  We need to get people.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Off of that.

• 19:12Matt Farah?

  Yes. We need to get.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Too many.

• 19:14Matt Farah?

  Humans, no, no, no, it's wrong, we need to get humans off of the government teat, so they can afford to give Tesla all their money.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 19:21Matt Farah?

  You just misunderstood it.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Got it. Yeah, so it's a way to show.

• 19:25Matt Farah?

  It's a way to show, and also, by the way, if you wanted to pump your stock.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:31Matt Farah?

  That would be, showing your new vehicle has two million pre-orders is certainly a way to do it. That, that makes me think of what Slate is doing right now, which is the same thing.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:43Matt Farah?

  We don't know if they have anything resembling a functional vehicle. You've seen static prototypes, pretty much. Uh, there's been a couple, like, mule-type cars that have been driven around LA and like, parked in places.

• 19:59Matt Farah?

  So I assume they have something that drives, but Slate is talking about 100,000 pre-orders for this truck.

• 20:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:07Matt Farah?

  But like, we don't know how many of those orders will go through. It was like, it was like somewhere between 1 and 3% of Cybertruck orders turned into Cybertruck purchases. 1 to 3 dude.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  So this-

• 20:21Matt Farah?

  We convert t-shirts at a higher percentage than that.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  And we don't sell that many t-shirts.

• 20:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Uh, the Slate, uh, deposit for a Slate truck right now is 50 bucks.

• 20:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so it's even lower.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  To your point, it's super cheap. I mean, it's a cheap, it's a cheap vehicle, at least it's supposed to be a cheap vehicle. Hopefully they stick to their target price.

• 20:38Matt Farah?

  Right, well here in this case, the, the whole point of it is that it's a cheap vehicle, so if they don't hit that, there's real problems.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Right, well, I mean, we've seen that happen before, but hopefully they deliver on, the reason people are excited is because it's a cheap EV pickup truck.

• 20:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  So you have to deliver that, and I think they know that because there's no way you would, you would let that price inflate and drift anywhere near our 1T. Or, you know, other competition.

• 21:01Matt Farah?

  They're talking about a base price under 20,000.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  I know, I, I'm saying they need to stick to that.

• 21:06Matt Farah?

  What are you looking for? Massages?

• 21:08Speaker 01

  I'm looking, I want to turn my massage off.

• 21:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, is it good?

• 21:10Speaker 01

  It's okay.

• 21:11Matt Farah?

  I'd like to try it.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  It's not-

• 21:12Matt Farah?

  I'd like to try my massage seat. Now you know how you end up with-

• 21:15Speaker 01

  It's no more shadies.

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:17Matt Farah?

  Now you know how you end up with a $70,000 minivan.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  That makes sense, this has, you can just tell it has all the options.

• 21:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is the first edition, you know, whatever.

• 21:29Matt Farah?

  So, uh, someone said something funny to me on Instagram. I put a picture up of the Taycan from yesterday. And they said, you know, if your theory of depreciation to zero is correct, then at a certain point, the wheels will be worth more than the car.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 21:51Matt Farah?

  And you should figure out where that, where that threshold is crossed.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  Where your HRE wheels, which are probably like 15 grand new.

• 22:01Matt Farah?

  You know, maybe they have a floor around eight grand, right?

• 22:05Speaker 01

  You would have to own that car longer than you will, longer than you would.

• 22:09Matt Farah?

  Yes, that's true, but there will, there is a point where that will happen.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Can we just acknowledge that this person has an Alaska plate on their Suzuki Sidekick?

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  Please, it's a Geo Tracker.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Is it a Geo Tracker?

• 22:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Oh, it is Geo Tracker. It's got the font and everything.

• 22:23Matt Farah?

  Tracker, Alaska.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  If you drove it from there, you probably didn't, 060 eventually on the sticker, that is amazing.

• 22:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 22:31Matt Farah?

  Imagine driving a Tracker from Alaska.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  I feel like that's a movie. That's like a Little Miss Sunshine. Like, he has a court appointment he couldn't change.

• 22:39Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  And somehow it's cheaper to drive than it is to fly?

• 22:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, he loses his kids forever if he doesn't show up.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  I was gonna go with something more mild, but actually, you need high consequence. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

• 22:52Matt Farah?

  Um, I was watching some auctions on the Youtubes yesterday, some auction results, and, uh, dude, if you had bought in 2019, if you had bought either a brand-new Corvette ZR1 manual or a Viper ACR, you would have doubled your money if you sold this year.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 23:11Matt Farah?

  You would have, and even if you put a few miles on it.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:14Matt Farah?

  You're gonna put, you're gonna put four or 5,000 miles, do a thousand miles a year on that car, and you could have still doubled your money.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The huge horsepower, raw, stick-shift, American cars that are sort of the end of an era, huge return on investments for a new car.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  And, like, what year ACR?

• 23:36Matt Farah?

  Like, the la, like, final years, final, final year or two. I think that's like either 18, 19, or maybe 19, 20, something like that.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Man, those are gnarly.

• 23:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  I drove one on the highway once to a car show for our friend who helped us at the car show. That was the weirdest drive on the 405 ever. It was just like, can't see anything, giant wing, loud tire noise, uh, good luck out there.

• 24:00Matt Farah?

  And that was the earlier generation.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  It was.

• 24:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I drove the one, um, that was the generation after that for...

• 24:08Speaker 01

  With the scallops in the wheel and the...

• 24:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  And the, uh, the fenders.

• 24:11Matt Farah?

  And it was a lot. It was, uh, it was very overwhelming.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  They had that at P. Cody Thunder Hill, I think.

• 24:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, that would have been nineteen.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, that looked like quite a time.

• 24:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Um, that requires some focus. That is a gnarly vehicle.

• 24:27Matt Farah?

  It was a lot of car. It wasn't like, honestly, like the, it was not the right vibe for me.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  At all.

• 24:33Matt Farah?

  It just didn't. The gearing was so long and, you know, the engine felt kinda lazy even though it made big power. And it was this big car with tiny little bit of room. Um, it, it really wasn't for me, but you could drive it. You go, oh yeah, this is, this checks every collector's, you know, box.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, uh, that car is like the movie version of a night out in Vegas. But that's really not for everyone. Like, it's just like, I don't know, hair plugs, HGA. Like, it's so aggressive and crazy. But when it's applied by a good driver, it did so well at all the racetracks. It set all these records. I mean, it is a proper, you know, it's just not easy to drive at that speed.

• 25:17Matt Farah?

  No, and if you're driving at like normal speeds, it beats you up.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  It's not, it's not fun to drive at a regular speed. That's why it's important that if you actually want a car to drive as opposed to collect or invest in, you know, be honest with yourself about what you're doing with the car.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 25:34Matt Farah?

  Race cars on the streets suck. Really suck. Um, see how the, I wonder how the traffic will be on the way home. I didn't look up the, I didn't look up our, uh, our ETA before. Um, but dude, I mean, that would have been, I, I called it too. I'm pretty sure when I went on the ZR launch, Z, uh, ZR launch, uh, the ZR one launch, uh, Road Atlanta, I said, I said, you buy one of these and it's gonna be just money in the bank. Because it, it was so crazy and hairy and it wanted to kill you and it looked ridiculous and you couldn't see out the window because the hood bulge was so big and all this stuff. And I was like, every one of these is like an inconvenience that a collector would brag about.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 26:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, you can't see out the windshield because the hood's so high because the engine's so big.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Right. In an era where so many other cars are like, this is funny, like optimized for travel and comfort. You know, everything, it's EV, it's radar cruise, larger greenhouse, like sitting up high. That is the antithesis.

• 26:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  It's, uh, very counterculture in that way.

• 26:38Matt Farah?

  It's, uh, it's what you'd call vice signaling. Right, it's the opposite of virtue signaling. It's like the sacrifice, whether it's, you know, financial or my comfort or whatever, I've made a sacrifice for performance. That's the vice signal.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a, it's a coke spoon necklace, but you're, you're hanging out at like Arowan. Or we're at a yoga class.

• 26:59Matt Farah?

  Those are not mutually exclusive. There is nothing more Venice than the coke head yoga instructor.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  We're gonna get this, this class done in 20 minutes, everybody, 20 minutes. I, I gotta get out of here.

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  The number of people that were, would party with our friend who lived by me in Venice. That would be these like hot crunchy chicks that were just raging, raging coke heads. And then would be like, oh, I've gotta go to my.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  No, the energy is from the acai smoothie and cayenne.

• 27:29Matt Farah?

  Good, good shock.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Lemon juice, cayenne cleanse. I'm just so energized, I can stay up all night. I don't eat anything.

• 27:38Matt Farah?

  So you know in my house, I've got.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Our ETA is 41 minutes.

• 27:42Matt Farah?

  Okay, cool. You know, in my house, I've got that huge bin of all my old car magazines that I just like have yet to move to the office yet or move somewhere. And they've just sitting in my living room for two years now. Uh, finally I got tired of looking at them and I'm moving them. But I thought, cause we needed content for this show, I was like, let me pull out a random one and see what like the classified ads have for us today. But my magazine collection really starts around like 91, 90, 91. And by that time.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  A lot of Bush still then, or is it starting to go, oh, different, different collection?

• 28:19Matt Farah?

  You know, it's funny, 91 could have been George Bush also, depending on how you're thinking.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Senior on the centerfold.

• 28:26Matt Farah?

  Like you were like a lot of Bush and I'm like, I wasn't trying to make this political, oh.

• 28:32Matt Farah?

  You mean porn.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Ninety-one.

• 28:34Matt Farah?

  Ninety-one. People weren't really advertising their supercars and stuff for sale in the car magazines. Because DuPont Registry was out by then. They had their own magazine for that.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:46Matt Farah?

  At that time. And there was a couple other, like Rob Report. I mean, I don't know if ninety-one, but there were a couple of places to like do that. So as I'm flipping through these magazines, there are a couple, you know, single-digit numbers of classified ads per magazine. And I pulled up one, I was like, well, let me see what the oldest I have is. And it was like nineteen ninety, uh, nineteen ninety-one. And there's like five cars advertised for sale. Three of the five are lightly-used Pontiac Fiero GTs.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 29:19Matt Farah?

  And the other two are old Jaguars.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Three of the five?

• 29:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Man, those were, those were cool for a bit.

• 29:24Matt Farah?

  I wonder like-

• 29:25Speaker 01

  I think when I was a kid, I was into them.

• 29:27Matt Farah?

  Like, were people trying to flip them?

• 29:29Speaker 01

  That would be amazing. If, if people get an allocation, I want to be first on the Fiero list, you know? And I, and I, and you promise the dealership, you're not going to turn into a Lamborghini clone, and then you sell it six months later.

• 29:42Matt Farah?

  I had to buy a Trans Am and a Bonneville.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. These miles were free, guys. I had to buy two Sunfire, and then I was able to get the Fiero GT.

• 29:52Matt Farah?

  Oh dude, the Sunfire. You want to see some sadness, some real General Motors sadness. Compare photos of the Pontiac Banshee concept to the production Sunfire, which is what that car became. The Banshee concept looks like a LaFerrari. And the Sunfire is a, one of the saddest vehicles that was produced in the early nineties. Oh, it was so bad.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:25Matt Farah?

  The Banshee or the Sunfire?

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Well, no, the concept is-

• 30:28Matt Farah?

  Sick.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Oh, I remember this. Yeah, it was really cool.

• 30:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I can see where they took some of this and turned it into a bit of like, uh-

• 30:37Matt Farah?

  F-body Trans Am.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  F-body Firebird, stuff like that. They, they took a little bit of that.

• 30:41Matt Farah?

  They did, but how cool was the Banshee?

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:43Matt Farah?

  Compared to the sadness of the Sunfire.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  It's a Land Speed looking car.

• 30:51Matt Farah?

  So wait, so we do not have suspension adjustments in this vehicle? There's no, there's no sports modus?

• 30:57Speaker 01

  I don't believe so. Oh yeah, the Sunfire is just a Saturn with a different face, it looks like.

• 31:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, the Sunfire is a Cavalier.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  They all, but I mean like the back cab design.

• 31:06Matt Farah?

  Is that a Rabbit with a wide-body kit on it?

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Or maybe just overfenders.

• 31:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's got overfenders and Porsche wheels.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  And a wooden roof rack.

• 31:15Matt Farah?

  A Rabbit GTI, oh this is some like-

• 31:17Speaker 01

  This is like a Merlot color.

• 31:18Matt Farah?

  This is some real motoring club shit. Shout out to the motoring club, but this is, this is like, this is gonna be like all the Euro rare parts, but I like it. I like where this person's head is at. They've got Porsche like Turbo Twist wheels on a Rabbit GTI with overfenders.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  They got, they did the rear, um, wiper delete for weight. But it's got a little wing on it, which is kinda cool. I do think the bushings in their front left wheel are going, cause it's moving laterally and we're going 8 miles per hour. It's got a wiggle to it.

• 31:51Matt Farah?

  That, and that silver Taycan right there looks just like the one I turoed, might be. Habibi, he's got a JBL on the dash though. His priorities are in order, this guy. VW, yah. Oh, he's got a, is that a fake hood scoop or a real hood scoop?

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Um, either way, it shouldn't be there, but I'm going with fake.

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  The only reason it could be there. One excuse, Callaway Turbo Kit with an air-to-air intercooler right there. It's the only excuse.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Did they sell a Turbo Kit for the GTI?

• 32:21Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:22Matt Farah?

  In the 80s, Callaway had Turbo Kits for the GTI and for the Alpha, like GTV6. Wow, that really does look like the Taycan I turoed.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  He's got hella horns though.

• 32:35Matt Farah?

  It even has the same white brakes.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  I'm guessing.

• 32:38Matt Farah?

  There's more than one of them.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Well, there's one of those in my building. Like, there's a lot of silver, you know, first-gen Taycan stands.

• 32:43Matt Farah?

  With those wheels and the white, and the white brakes.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  I think that was like the launch, that was the base color in the base wheel. I can't tell if that kid is real or not.

• 32:52Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's strange, but that's the all. If you have a Volkswagen GTI and have a hood scoop, that's your excuse.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Okay, I wonder how much more power those made when it was like 48 degrees outside? And then if it gets up to 70.

• 33:06Matt Farah?

  A lot. I don't know. I don't know. Guys, you know, maybe he's coming to tour west.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  We'll ask him.

• 33:12Matt Farah?

  Maybe we'll see him.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  If we get next to him again.

• 33:13Matt Farah?

  If we get, what are we gonna ask him? What the scoop does?

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Do you have a turbo kit?

• 33:16Matt Farah?

  Okay, what if he says yes?

• 33:18Speaker 01

  And I'll say, alright, and I'll roll the window back up.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  What kind of wood is your roof rack made from? Cedar? Alright, that's a good, strong wood.

• 33:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, I have an announcement to make. The Seaside to Sierra Road and Track Event, the September one, that is honestly probably gonna be the best one that we've ever done from a hotels and roads and track perspective. It's all sick hotels. It's Scott Pruitt's winery, racing driver Scott Pruitt. He will also be the special guest. And it's Sonoma to Tahoe. So just like sick, all amazing roads with Sonoma Raceway. They Road and Track, they fucked up a little bit. They put it on Labor Day weekend. And so people weren't really about it. So we changed the dates.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 34:09Matt Farah?

  Because people don't want to go on a trip like this on Labor Day weekend. They go away with their family. And then they can do this anytime. So it's now the end of September. It's like the 24th to 27th or something like that. I think 24th, 27th. Go look at experiences.rodentrack.com. But it's at the end of September instead of the beginning.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  So if you looked at it before and you went, that looks great, but not on Labor Day weekend, it's not on Labor Day weekend anymore. And as always, I can ship cars both directions. If you want to come and you don't want to drive your car to Sonoma or drive it back from Tahoe, we can ship cars and you can fly in and out.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  That'll be such a stunning drive. I've done that trip basically. And the roads that connect you from the Bay Area over to Tahoe, like they just get better and better and better and better and better.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  And I'm gonna be driving, I think I've connected a V8 Vantage Roadster, which I'm quite, why do I keep saying V8 Vantage? It's just Vantage.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  It is just Vantage.

• 35:07Matt Farah?

  It's just Vantage now. Vantage Roadster, which I was very much delighted with from the press launch a couple of weeks ago.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  It's a great car. At least, I mean, Cooper's a good car.

• 35:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  I'm sure the Roadster is just as good.

• 35:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, okay, should we, I mean, should we talk about the turbo Miata? I've, I've, I've, I hate to say I've reached the end of my list.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Uh, we should talk about it for a little bit because this, this goes up before that video will go up.

• 35:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Um, so it's not cannibalizing too much.

• 35:37Matt Farah?

  Basically.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  And then we have, you know, questions.

• 35:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the, like, Flyin Miata does good work. They always, they always really have. They've done V8 swaps, they've done supercharger kits, turbocharger kits.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  And I would say that they've done all those things as close to an OEM level as you can. Like, they don't, they try to do, the cars I've been around or driven that were V8 swapped were done at a very high level and they have a consistency because it comes from one place. They would try to make them, you know, legal in as many states as possible. Um, they're just, I don't know, it's a group of like engineers, but they seem to really care about that stuff and they scale things pretty well.

• 36:14Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, and this turbo kit, you know, it's not a new, entirely new turbo kit. Um, what's new about it is it has a California 91 octane calibration and California compliant, um, emission system, which is, so basically, you can send them your car or your cat and they can take apart your factory cat and put the inners of it in a new housing that will also have the turbo manifolds and stuff in it.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Correct, yep.

• 36:48Matt Farah?

  And, and so somehow, uh, I mean, not somehow, I'm sure there's an actual scientific process, but by doing it that way, they end up with a, a, a California compliant thing.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, and what's really impressive is, is I learned while we're hanging out on the hill with one of their reps who brought the car today, is that they designed the kit. I said, like, all right, did someone, did like a supplier design this whole thing? And then you guys just like, you know, put your name on it or whatever. They, they have, they have actual powertrain engineers that ordered the different parts from the different place and specced it out a certain way. And like, it was their idea that they assembled and, you know, and now it works in all of these places. And I just think that's cool versus just like white labeling something from somebody else.

• 37:33Matt Farah?

  I agree, but it's, you know, this, the NC engine is 11 to 1 compression from the factory, which is on the higher side, but not anything extreme. And so when you're, you know, a lot of people talk about, do you have to do the internals of the engine to do a turbocharger kit on an otherwise stock car? Which camera? The forward facing camera has just died.

• 38:04Matt Farah?

  That's okay.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  We're in traffic.

• 38:05Matt Farah?

  Shall we? Yeah, nothing is happening.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  We'll, we'll remain in traffic.

• 38:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, maybe we should adjust cooling for that other one, just in case.

• 38:16Matt Farah?

  What was I gonna say? They say that you don't need to be concerned really at all with the internals of the engine to run this kit.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Right, and they, now they did say that the cars that come with automatic transmissions have weaker internals and therefore get slightly less horsepower. So which is interesting, like between the auto and manual transmission Miata's of like the same year, the engines are slightly different.

• 38:39Matt Farah?

  It is very strange that, that it's a different engine. I would have guessed, I would have been like, oh, maybe the torque converter can't handle it or some, you know, some part of the automatic transmission. I didn't realize that they had different.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's what it said on their sheet was like, so okay, that's, I'm just reporting that the power numbers are different.

• 38:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, I mean, you're really gonna put a turbo kit on a torque converter automatic Miata? I imagine that is a very small, certainly not our audience is doing that.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Correct, very true.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  But I thought the, the power is really fun. They've got two different sized turbos, a small and a big. What they said is pretty much the smaller one is for autocrossers. The response out of a, a tight corner will be instant. It'll spool up a little faster and you have a little less power on top, but better response. They then have the bigger option, which was on the car we drove today, which frankly is what, exactly what I would want.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, because the response is still improved over stock like stock. The peak torque of the stock engine happens at 5,000 RPM. This happens at 4,000 RPM. You also get a lot more torque, obviously, but they've actually like flattened and expanded that power band a little bit. Peak power happens at basically the same place as the stock engine did. But now you make like 100, 100 more horsepower at the wheels.

• 40:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Or the crank either way. And the power to weight ratio drops by like 33%. It's like 15 pounds per horsepower stock and now it's nine and a half. Yeah. The thing is, it is, it is as fast as I would want a Miata to be unless I want, you know, hair on fire insanity of a V8 swap.

• 40:23Matt Farah?

  Past this, it's V8. I mean, there's just no, or, or some kind of, you know, maybe that crazy AJ 30 engine or something, you know, one of those kinds of deals.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Either way, we're talking engine swap.

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  We're talking about engine swap.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:35Matt Farah?

  This, this, I think, without driving the smaller turbo, the impression that I got is that the smaller turbo will drive more like one of these, a current turbocharged four cylinder car. Where it spools up quick and then you have that sort of flat but bland power curve. Whereas the car we drove today spools like a more old school tuner style turbo.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  Which to me would be more fun.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 41:02Matt Farah?

  Like, I want to feel the boost build. I want to hear that blow off noise. Like, I want all those fun things. Like, that's literally what I'm paying all that money for.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get, I was amazed at the amount of turbo sound you get. And I got out and I said, oh, is this traditional blow off valve? And then he's like, no, you can't do that for emissions now. It has to be recirculating. But it's, it has, like, it has a turbo sound and a blow off sound that reminds me of driving Mark IV Supras and stuff of that era.

• 41:30Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  It's just got all of that stuff. Very little exhaust note outside the car. There's a little, like, the gentlest, cutest fart pop when you shift, which is funny. And from the front of the car, you hear a ton of turbo whistle. So like, you get all of that wonderful turbo symphony. And then, of course, the balance and the agility of a Miata. I think, I thought it was fucking awesome.

• 41:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, they've got, they've got their suspension kit on this one and their wheels and some, some reasonably sticky summer tires. And it, I mean, it just was like. The amount of grip versus the amount of mass was like completely different.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:10Matt Farah?

  Just there's, there was seemingly no limit to the amount of grip you would have coming through a corner like just not braking for corners frequently.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  I forgot how much the weight of a car matters for agility and like changing direction. Cause slaloming on that road today and thinking back to driving even stuff like we were up there with the new Corvette Z06 and we were up there with like, I think Cayman GTS or something. Like cars that are modern, but are light by modern standards. But man, when you get in something that weighs a thousand pounds less or 800 pounds less and it doesn't, there's no tire squeal, there's no nothing. You don't need these super huge wide tires to change direction.

• 42:56Matt Farah?

  It's low and small.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  That also helps the perception of it.

• 42:59Matt Farah?

  And with, I mean, a Miata is so small that you can, you can run a proper racing line within your lane.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  You can't, you can't do that in a modern 911. You can do it in the BB car. Oh, yeah. Same color. Oh, it wasn't quite the same color. I've only, you know, I've only ever seen one other Vespa in the color of mine.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 43:18Matt Farah?

  I learned, I bought mine used, but I learned that it was like a limited edition color and they only made a couple of hundred. And I only have ever seen one other one.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Wow, that's cool. It's like that and like a Cessna Porsche. Like you just accidentally find these things on Craigslist.

• 43:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that one was, that was real luck. I'd really like to get those, the four soft red cars together. We'll have to do it in September when, when Timmy's car comes back from Monterey.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  I think that that car, the Miata today was like about as fast as I need a Canyon car to be.

• 43:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Sure, there's some sections of the roads up there where, you know, going against like a 400 horsepower Cayman or something, it would pull away. But those moments would be so brief.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  And, but the torque out of corners and like the thrust and the, and the joy and the excitement of feeling the turbo and the power build was such a good time.

• 44:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think you, you would need, you'd need a supercar to go, to go quicker.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:17Matt Farah?

  I would, I'd need a McLaren or, I mean, I'm not even sure if. A GT3 would go much quicker up. Maybe with the brakes. Cause this car had basically stock brakes with pads and fluid. I don't know if we said it before, but the car we drove today was not some kind of prepared press car. Uh, I got a call from Keith at Flyin Miata a couple of weeks ago saying, hey, this car, which is a mule. It's a kind of a, it's, it's, it's not a pretty car. It's just a, it's a rough, used Miata.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Sure. It's a hundred thousand mile on it.

• 44:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Hundred thousand mile car. It's just a whatever car. No effects, but that's what it is. And, uh, he said it needs to get picked up from the, the emissions lab. But it was literally a storage request. Can we send a flatbed for it and then store it until this dude can come out and get it? And I was like, and he's like, by the way, you can play with it while you've got it. I was like, well, can we make a video? And he's like, yeah, it's like, it's not a pretty car, but like, it's representative of the product. So like, go ahead. So. So here we are. I forgot. Oh, so anyway, the point was it, it, it has regular brakes. And with this kind of power, I would get a big brake kit, which wouldn't even be that big on a Miata. Medium brake kit.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. I completely agree with you. It felt a little underbraked and I, I think, uh, in some of the corners, it almost felt like the pedal had a tiniest bit of vibration, like maybe the stock rotors are starting to warp a little, little bit.

• 45:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  But either way, when you, when you upgrade a power, the power by nearly 50%, you should upgrade the brakes too.

• 45:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  So, um, and then also, uh, and they mentioned this, we mentioned this in the video, but if you're going to track it with the turbo kit, upgrade your radiator and your cooling system because we started to get, see some temps creeping up. And it was 82 degrees ambient when we were done.

• 46:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It was, and we were at elevation. It was warm and it's stopping and starting, but, but, uh, yeah, I mean, it's. If you're gonna drive an aftermarket turbocharged car in hot weather, you may need to make a few adjustments and concessions. Nothing that would actually prevent me from owning it, but okay. If I go for a canyon blast or a track session, I gotta let it idle for a few minutes. Before I just shut it off.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  That. I have never regretted upgrading my radiator in my E46. Like I think if you have the whole engine apart for this turbo kit anyway, I know it's an additional cost for people and that, that is a concession. But if you can do it, you should do it.

• 46:53Matt Farah?

  It was weird with the Fox body. I upgraded the radiator and I never had any problem with that part of it. But I did have repeated issues. Getting that car to hold a consistent temperature. It may, someone told me that my cooling system was too powerful.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  And, and so. That is such a thing as well, so.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  That is such a thing. Sometimes you have to get a different thermostat that opens at a higher temp.

• 47:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Um, because you're, yeah, because it's just.

• 47:26Matt Farah?

  It was eventually sorted, but it did take, it wasn't, it wasn't like, we changed the radiator, but then it was like, oh, you have to change all this shit too.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:35Matt Farah?

  I, I don't, I don't remember, but I think, uh, I would ask Flyin Miata, they probably know. Uh, do we have a few questions?

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, do a bunch.

• 47:43Matt Farah?

  Before we, uh, end?

• 47:46Matt Farah?

  We can go to the Patreon, which is where you ask us questions. It's where you get the show live when we are able to do it live 95% of the time. It's where you get, uh, the show before anybody else. It's where you get access to special merch collabs. And it's where you get to come up with user, fun usernames that I will read on the air.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  All right, this is JJ Apex. He has a 2022 CT4V Blackwing, as is Daily. Says fantastic car, but the engine is soulless and doesn't sound good, which is true. Um, he's considering either a Mach 1 Mustang or a Dark Horse. What do we think? He's read that the Mach 1 handles a little better and has better steering feel. Uh, but you can't get the handling package you get with the Dark Horse. I go Mach 1 all day, every day. I recommend that Mustang to anybody who is shopping in that price bracket.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  I'd probably rather have a Mach 1 than a Dark Horse also. I wasn't that big of a fan of the Dark Horse.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  I wasn't either.

• 48:44Matt Farah?

  I don't think the big screen thing helps it much. I think the steering is very digital.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Um, it felt huge.

• 48:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Which part of that is visual trickery? Um, the Mach 1, that was a press car I missed returning. Because I just, I thought it did grand touring great. I thought the adaptive suspension did an awesome job in the canyons. You've got the normal Coyote engine, but you have the better transmission from the G350. That's, that's everything I want in a Mustang.

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a big difference. Dark Horse gets it too.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 49:15Matt Farah?

  Dark Horse gets the trimic, but yes, that I would, I'd still go Mach 1, yeah.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  First time question.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Alright, this person was Badleg Rubin. Was recently in an accident where he was hit by a car while riding his motorcycle and has serious injuries to your clutch leg, hence the name Badleg Rubin. What's a cheap, fun, automatic vehicle to drive while recovering? Looking at newer Golf's and Civics, but I don't mind a few crazy suggestions.

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, a GTI with a DSG is a good place to start.

• 49:53Matt Farah?

  What other cars have a good responsive automatic?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  You could get a DX with a CVT, but you'd hate yourself. And we wouldn't like you either.

• 50:04Matt Farah?

  Get a used CLA or GLA 45 Mercedes.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  That's a pretty exciting thing.

• 50:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:13Matt Farah?

  There are some affordable Caymans that have PDK.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Oh, FRZ, BRZ, etc. That is a surprisingly good automatic transmission.

• 50:23Matt Farah?

  That's a much better automatic than it has any right to be at that price point.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  It shocks you, and the steering feels fantastic.

• 50:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a good choice, yeah. I don't know about a Civic automatic, I've never been impressed by a Honda automatic transmission, but...

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Paint by Numbers asked about the ID Buzz in a Stop sale, I would say we don't know about that. It was for the rear seat, the third seat only having two seats, so we're not sure.

• 50:48Matt Farah?

  The third seat only having two seats? Instead of what?

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Third row seats are only, are too wide to only have two seats. I don't know, I would keep in touch with your dealership.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  We skipped that one before.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  What's your favorite watch that has one flaw that ruins the watch? Like, he loves the Seiko Alpinist, this Benetton driver, but hates the stupid Prospect's logo.

• 51:15Matt Farah?

  I mean, most of the thi- when I, when I love a watch, except one thing, the one thing is usually the size. It's either too big or too small.

• 51:28Matt Farah?

  Cause if you look at it, you know, you, you look at it on Instagram or something, you photo of it and you love it. And then you go to put it on. And, and the thing that's wrong with it is that it doesn't fit right. It doesn't look right, doesn't sit right on your hands. I, I've never been like, everything is perfect about that watch, except the hands. I love it, but the hands, ugh. You know, it's, it's been like, it's more like, damn, that looks great, but not on my wrist.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:55Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 51:56Speaker 01

  It's too big.

• 51:57Matt Farah?

  Too big or too small.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  One of those deep sea, like, what's the super thing we saw?

• 52:01Matt Farah?

  Oh, the deep sea challenge.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  That.

• 52:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  That is the size of my fist.

• 52:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a 50.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  I, I held it and I went, there's, I could never wear this.

• 52:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, those aren't for actual people. Those are silly. The deep sea challenge is a-

• 52:14Speaker 01

  It looks like an ankle monitor if I'm in like, in probation.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  That thing's fucking huge.

• 52:18Matt Farah?

  It does. And that, uh, even like, I have the, the quote, regular deep sea, which is 44 millimeters, and even that is, I can't wear it.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  But you can't go as far down underwater.

• 52:28Matt Farah?

  That's true. I would die at 12,800 feet. My watch would die at 12,800.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 52:34Matt Farah?

  This watch, that watch can go to 16,000.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  See?

• 52:36Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  I don't know what you're doing.

• 52:37Matt Farah?

  Now, my, I would be, uh, my body would be compressed into a cube about the size of a fucking dice.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  And then the, and then the watch falls off your wrist.

• 52:47Matt Farah?

  The watch would be fine though. The watch would make it just fine.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  All right. Crabhab says, I have a 2023 WRX and a 2017 Toyota 86, both paid off. Thinking of selling them and getting a 987 Cayman or a 718 Cayman four cylinder. We also have practical vehicles, so don't worry about that. I'm worried I'll miss having a variety of two fun cars. Is that silly?

• 53:09Matt Farah?

  No, uh, there, uh, there's a reason I have seven cars and not two. I totally understand. About every couple of months, I go, I should sell three quarters of these watches and just keep the ones that I like the most. And I go, and then you know what happens? I go, nah, nah, I, I like, I like having a variety to choose from. I'm into that. I understand your point exactly. If you're limited by space or money.

• 53:37Matt Farah?

  Or time and you can't deal with all this stuff, then downsize for sure.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Uh, go to my house, not T- um, T- uh, OCCS.

• 53:46Matt Farah?

  Okay. Uh, I don't wanna, I don't wanna, uh, lead the audience directly to your house. So let's go to Blue Bottle.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Oh, let's do that. Perfect. Um.

• 53:55Matt Farah?

  We don't, I don't want you fucks knowing where he lives.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Except for the person that lives in our, there's two people that live in our building that listen and they're cool.

• 54:02Matt Farah?

  Except for the fans in the building.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  That's, that's totally fine.

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  Only fans in the building. Well, there's a couple, there's, there's like three or four entoners there.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  You're gonna dox me and steal my constantly breaking E46? Nobody wants that.

• 54:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  Um, all right. Pista Anmachu says, uh, in today's world of more and more complicated new vehicles, what is the shopping list for a perfect driver's car? Assume it falls under the same volume manufacturer's allowance of like weight, power, mechanics, et cetera.

• 54:30Matt Farah?

  The formula is 911 ST. I mean, I've.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  I would say yes, if you could shrink it by like 10% also.

• 54:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I don't, can you still buy my car? Like if you can still get my car, my car, my Spyder.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  It's pretty fucking good. It's annoying.

• 54:46Matt Farah?

  My Spyder is a brand new car that starts with a key, has a manual top, a stick shift, manual climate control, right? And naturally aspirated.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  I'll back you up because when we did this shoot with Marco's car, his was brand new, like it had been here a week.

• 55:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Stock is stock. And I started driving it. I went, this is such a great combination. It is, it's really good.

• 55:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  And you get cool top-down special experience. It looks good top up or down, which is rare.

• 55:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Cause the buttresses are there. And, uh, the steering and shift feels great.

• 55:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, and, and you have a timeless driver's car that's still a 2024, whatever car, and it has just enough screen that your CarPlay works, that you've got your nav, that your secondary functions, it's just enough screen and everything else is a real button. It's fabulous.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  It all comes back to not, not too much screen, not too much power.

• 55:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  Not too much size, not too much weight.

• 55:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Everything needs to be restrained. They are leaving.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  All right. Now can I parallel park the id buzz here? I think, oh yes.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  If there were ever a vehicle that does not really like activate the id of a person, it's this one.

• 56:01Matt Farah?

  Let's see.

• 56:04Matt Farah?

  This is, this might be a trickier car to parallel park than, uh, than it looks from the surface because it looks like a flat front, but I really have no idea where the front bumper actually is.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Eight, I mean, you can use the camera.

• 56:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like compared to the Delica.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:19Matt Farah?

  Which is like the easiest thing to park ever. Oh, meanwhile, I have.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  You nailed it.

• 56:25Matt Farah?

  I almost nailed it. I very, very slightly grazed the curb with the rear wheel.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Possibly just the rear tire though.

• 56:32Matt Farah?

  The rear tire, no, rear tire, rear tire, rear tire.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Um, Long Island Tea Expressway says, uh, "How crazy an idea is it to buy a cheap 914 and restore it in my driveway for a flip? Are there things to avoid besides, you know, rust and mechanical issues?"

• 56:45Matt Farah?

  I mean, the problem with 914s is everything is priced the same as if it was 911s. You know, like you might as well buy a shitty 911 instead of buying a shitty 914.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  And 911 is so much more popular.

• 57:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  That flipping it, if that's the goal, will be easier. I'm sure the entry price is more challenging, but it sounds like this person's down for a serious project. So if you are, find a 911 that you can turn into the serious project.

• 57:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the cost of buying a terrible 914 versus buying a terrible 911 will pay for itself on the other end with how much easier it will be to sell that 911 and how much you can get for it.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 57:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  Two more and then we're gonna go get coffee in there.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Best, best low-tech mod, Matt's Alcantara steering will ask, "What's the best low-tech mod? I pulled the fuse from my exhaust valve to have full-time loud mode."

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, I mean, in the Aston Martin Vanquish, in order to have full-time loud mode, like my old one, it's not even a fuse, it's a vacuum line. And you pull the line and screw a fucking wood screw into there so it's plugged all the time, open.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  I would, I will, uh, similar is R32 and 34 GTRs.

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  The Skyline.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  You put that T-valve together, right? You unplug something?

• 58:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  And then it.

• 58:14Matt Farah?

  You cut out this little restrictor in this tube and then just plug the tube back on.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  And then you gain how much power?

• 58:20Matt Farah?

  50.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  That.

• 58:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:24Matt Farah?

  And they even put a little line on the tube telling you where to cut it. Like there's a little yellow line. It doesn't say cut here.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  It's just a line on it.

• 58:34Matt Farah?

  There's a line where you're supposed to cut from the factory.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Um, that is great.

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  I'll cut out the silence.

• 58:47Matt Farah?

  How you better?

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Okay, um, this is good. Aiden Squires. I predict in the next 10 years or so, the enthusiasm for 2000s to 2010s cars will reach nostalgia levels associated with Radwood era cars now. What cars do we think best exemplify that era?

• 59:14Speaker 01

  Of the, of the early aughts? And we're not counting 4GT.

• 59:18Matt Farah?

  They're already there. LP640s and 4GTs and stuff. I mean, the LP640s are a million dollars.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I do, I don't think we see stuff like that at Radwood as much. Like Radwood doesn't really seem to draw or cater to the exotics of the Radwood era. You know, it's, it's more about like what everyone might be able to afford with definitely some expensive things thrown in. Like I would think E39M5 would probably be one of the more famous, but those are already expensive.

• 59:44Matt Farah?

  Like V8M3s. V8M3s, V8RS4s.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, RS4s.

• 59:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  And when did the Audi R8 come out?

• 59:55Matt Farah?

  2009, 8, 9?

• 59:58Speaker 01

  Those are underappreciated.

• 1:00:04Matt Farah?

  It's just, I mean, anything that was popular then. I mean, it's not like, there's not, it's not like there's like surprises somewhere. I mean, it's, it's 2000, 2000 to 2010, like, we know what they were doing. We had, there was the internet. This isn't, this isn't some like. Oh, no one, no one knew it's the Lotus Carlton. What even was that? Like there are no missing cars.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Curveball and going back to Pontiac, like remember the GTP?

• 1:00:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Like, that's a weird oddball.

• 1:00:34Matt Farah?

  The Grand Prix GTP, that's 90s.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  It was 90?

• 1:00:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it maybe ended early 2000s.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  I think it was early 2000s. Like weird shit like that where they had decent power finally in something very pedestrian.

• 1:00:44Matt Farah?

  These supercharged wide track Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, sure.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  But I think you're right. Because everyone's already started paying attention so much to collector cars in general, then they're paying attention to the early 2000s too.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think you'll see

• 1:01:03Matt Farah?

  complete tuner cars. So you'll, stuff that was built, you know, by AMS or Schweitzer or, you know, the Alpha 9 kits, like

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  HPA, yeah.

• 1:01:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, brand name tuner builds will be a big deal.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Well-respected tuner, that's a very good point. Last one is what is worse branding Mustang Mach-E or ID Buzz?

• 1:01:27Matt Farah?

  ID Buzz.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  I agree. They should have called it the Buzz of some kind.

• 1:01:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Mach-E, Mustang Mach-E comes from Ford recognizing that the value of the word Mustang is more than the value of the word Ford. And so putting it, putting the Mach-E under the Mustang umbrella gave it a sporty credibility that if it was just the Ford Electra

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:57Matt Farah?

  crossover, it probably wouldn't have.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  But it also got everyone angry, which drew way more attention. I mean, that must be, I'm sure they've measured that in an office somewhere in Ford. The value of stirring up enthusiasts and people who are like, "It's not a Mustang burger burger burger." And just getting that name churning and drawing more eyes to it, I'm sure paid off.

• 1:02:18Matt Farah?

  The value of rage bait.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  A hundred, hundred percent.

• 1:02:21Matt Farah?

  Probably did. And, and, and I don't call it Mustang, I call it Mach-E, but like, I'm no longer like offended, you know, like I, I, at first, yeah, it's not a Mustang, okay, whatever, fine. But I just like, I don't care. You know, like, it just doesn't.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  I agree. You hit 40, you're like, eh, who gives a shit?

• 1:02:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'll call it whatever it's called. It's like, you know what I mean? Like, it's a, there's a lesson in that.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Yes, there is.

• 1:02:44Matt Farah?

  There's a lesson in maturity going, "I refuse to call it the thing that I don't think it is," and where you shift to...

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what, I mean, Santa Cruz is Santa Cruz. I cared a lot less about that than I did about Maki. Maki, I was like, "Really? Mustang, you're gonna do that?" But when someone wants to change their name, I go, "Yeah, sure, I don't give a shit."

• 1:03:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I was, I probably cared more about Mustang than I did about a human wanting to go by a, a new name that is of a new gender.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Right, I don't give a shit.

• 1:03:11Matt Farah?

  Which I couldn't give less of a shit about.

• 1:03:14Speaker 01

  I have so many other things to do.

• 1:03:15Matt Farah?

  That's true. I, I care more about protecting Mustang than I do about keeping that shit original.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Isn't that funny?

• 1:03:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, no, I don't care about the rest of it at all. Look, this Bronco's all right.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  That's, that's a funny litmus test for like, are you really a car person? It's like, what gets you more upset? When a car company misuses nostalgia, or if a person changes their name?

• 1:03:35Matt Farah?

  Pronouns of humans.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  You're like, yeah.

• 1:03:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, all right, that's our, that's our show today. It is a little shorter than a normal, but there's only so long I'm willing to sit in the car outside of a blue bottle. Know what I mean?

• 1:03:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:03:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, we'll be back in the studio, um, later this week. Catch us there. Bye.