Crew, RUF Rodeo, and Parker's HUGE Win

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman might have driven their rarest car yet: the RUF Rodeo. Does a 7-figure rally car have something cheaper cars don't? Will they sell any of them? And what's Zack's issue with the buying market? Plus, an update on the Meyers Manx problem; NASCAR driver and friend of the show, Parker Kligerman, finally has his best day ever (and doesn't get the credit); and we answer Patreon questions including: How to sit in your car Is there still a market for EV credits? How to make a boring car interesting To improve turn-in: tires or suspension? Can my 16 year-old handle rally school? Is an Audi R8 just a fancy R35 GT-R? Tiptronic swaps? Build your comedian dream racing team The best-sounding motorcycle is... And more! Recorded August 23, 2025 Show Notes: DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. HelloFresh Go to HelloFresh.com/smokingtire10fm now to Get 10 Free Meals + a Free Item for Life! One per box with active subscription. Free meals applied as discount on first box, new subscribers only, varies by plan. MudWtr Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code tire at https://www.mudwtr.com/tire! #mudwtrpod New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:28Matt Farah?

  had one of the funniest non-wins in racing history. Let's talk about all that and more on the Smoking Tire Podcast.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  Like this.

• 1:38Matt Farah?

  Is this shirt you're wearing of a real business?

• 1:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:42Matt Farah?

  Doesn't seem it. Seems like the kind of thing I would make up if I wanted to make up a fake business.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  I have no idea where I got this shirt.

• 1:47Matt Farah?

  Also, we need to have some discussions about what exactly the car is supposed to be on there. Think it's a deuce, but it's it's but where what is happening on what looks to be the rear? Bulkhead. Yeah, is that a windshield mounted on the?

• 2:06Speaker 01

  It looks like the windshield's on the back.

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  The windshield's on the back of the car.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  It looks like a thirty-two Ford with no hood or fender and then.

• 2:12Matt Farah?

  And then the windshield is mounted backwards on the back, almost like the person thought it was like some kind of mid-engined auto union thing? Or it was designed by AI? Or you have a chat GPT shirt?

• 2:26Speaker 01

  This shirt's way older than chat GPT, but yeah, it does look like. I never noticed.

• 2:29Matt Farah?

  That's like.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Is this like the state of what what state?

• 2:32Matt Farah?

  It's Ohio.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Is it Ohio?

• 2:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's Ohio.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Oh, this is probably from that car that drove across the country backwards. So they had the windshield on the back. What is this? Speed Sports Service.

• 2:42Matt Farah?

  Jerry, Jay, Jay's Automotive Speed Sports Service.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Oh, JEGGS.

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, JEGGS.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  So it's a JEGGS shirt?

• 2:48Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  JEGGS, you put the windshield in the wrong part of the car.

• 2:50Matt Farah?

  What is the art department at JEGGS has a real problem with that? Yeah, that's really, really strange looking. Unless like we're gonna get some angry email and that's actually like an obscure backwards mid-engine thirty-two Ford project that's actually a real thing and they decided to put on a T-shirt. And they regret it now because everyone calls in and says it's fucked up and they're like, no, no, they have to prove it's actually like a real car.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Maybe it's the roll bar and this is like a.

• 3:17Matt Farah?

  Roll bar? I think the windshield's the wrong way, dude. Cause the thing that looks like it's where the windshield would be, looks like it could be a top.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Right here.

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it looks like a convertible top. Yeah. Unless, I mean, look, unless if if Chip Foose, who did not recognize me at Pebble Beach, calls me and says, actually, I've done a backwards bodied thirty-two, then I'll go, okay.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  You think he drew the shirt? Or he built a car and they drew the shirt?

• 3:48Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I don't know, but he gave me a real nice to see you buddy at Pebble Beach, did not recognize me. That's okay, though. He had a lot happening.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Happens.

• 3:55Matt Farah?

  It does. It does. And I have a different facial hair and I was wearing a big yellow hat. So, could be different. No context. If we were in the studio, maybe he'd recognize me.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  I get it. It does sting a tiny bit.

• 4:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it happens. Burned.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  And I was like, "Hey, Brotman." And he was like, "Uh huh."

• 4:11Matt Farah?

  Oh shit.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  It just...

• 4:12Matt Farah?

  Did I tell you about the most, dude, I've, I felt really weird about this one. I go at the concours, you know who I saw was Nick Shorsch from the Audrain.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:23Matt Farah?

  Who we love.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, boss of all bosses in Newport, Rhode Island.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:28Matt Farah?

  And he had multiple Pebble Beach entries. And you probably saw that story about the guy who drove his Bugatti cross-country. Like, he drove like a Bugatti Type 57

• 4:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 4:40Matt Farah?

  Across country to the concours. Like, pretty fucking boss move. Like, well, my rant on the last show, like, that's the kind of shit I'm talking about. Like, you know, like, that's good shit right there. So that was actually an Audrain, uh, project as well. Or at least the Audrain, like, media team, uh, ran chase and made the video.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Oh, this car's stunning, too.

• 5:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the car was awesome. I kinda wish they cleaned it for the concours, and I know why, but I kinda wish they didn't.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:09Matt Farah?

  You know, if it was the quail, they would've left it dirty.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:12Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 5:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But, uh, but the guy did drive it across the country, which is pretty fucking sick. And, uh, it did work. But anyway, I saw Nick Shorsch, and I, he was talking to somebody, and I'd sort of, I didn't like interrupt the conversation, but I sort of like, was like, "Yeah." And he looked over and like finished this, comes like, "Oh, I'll talk to you later, man," and then came to talk to me. Who was he talking to? It was Zac Brown. I was like, "Oh shit, sorry, man." He's like, "Yeah, I'll see him later."

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Like, "I'm gonna buy 10% of McLaren."

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  They were both, no, they were showing their Formula One cars right next to each other. It was the fucking, it was the...

• 5:49Speaker 01

  I guess Zac did some racing at the vintage races.

• 5:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  He was up there.

• 5:52Matt Farah?

  He did that.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:53Matt Farah?

  We didn't go to the track this year at all.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  No, we didn't. I also heard tickets have been, got expensive. They used to be super cheap.

• 5:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for a long time. Although one of my like, shout out to, shout out to Chris, my Sacramento friend, watch guy Chris, who, his, this year, I'm hoping I don't blow up the spot and make it fucking triple the price for next year somehow. He and his buddies got multiple RVs and set up a big campsite at Laguna Seca, sort of like full service.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:25Matt Farah?

  Like had the RVs delivered there. He didn't even drive them there.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 6:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and he drove, well, he drove in with his like cool car.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they delivered the RVs to the campsite, hooked up the shore power and the shore water and whatever, and he was arriving, arriving camp. And he said it was pretty sweet. He said it was cool.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's gorgeous. In the morning there, it's beautiful.

• 6:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and he said you wake up to the sounds of race cars.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  That's awesome. I bet it's less than a hotel. I talked to Spinelli yesterday. I haven't talked to him in a while.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's now looking for work, unfortunately.

• 6:57Matt Farah?

  Somebody hire Spinelli.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  He might come visit in October. But he said, he almost made a snap decision to go to Monterey Car Week like two weeks beforehand.

• 7:06Matt Farah?

  To try to find a job?

• 7:08Speaker 01

  No, just to do it. He's like, well, I have nothing else to do. But the, the cheap, the air quotes, the Motel 6 in Salinas, which is 30 minutes away from Monterey, is not a nice hotel. I have stayed there before. It was $900 a night.

• 7:21Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  So, that's why you would get an RV, because I bet it's less expensive.

• 7:26Matt Farah?

  I, yeah, yeah. I bet he probably would have got a better, I mean, I'm sure he looked, he's a very smart guy. But the last minute Airbnb verbo deals seem to be better than the last minute hotel deals. Hotels are okay, you know, hotels got 100 rooms.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:47Matt Farah?

  They're okay if a couple aren't rented, you know, at 900 bucks a night or whatever. They're not like, let's discount the, you know, but if you've got one house and it's not rented for Car Week, you're, you know, let's get this thing moving.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 7:58Matt Farah?

  Remember the house Ali got last year?

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:01Matt Farah?

  Which was way-

• 8:02Speaker 01

  I stayed there, it was insane.

• 8:03Matt Farah?

  No offense to our verbo host, who was lovely and the house was lovely, but that house was fucking nuts. The two houses were the same price. But Ali got it like four days before Car Week.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  Oh, really? I thought he booked it like a year ahead.

• 8:17Matt Farah?

  No, no, he got it, he got it way last minute.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:21Matt Farah?

  And I was like, I don't have the stones for that. I can't, I can't, I can't swing that. Not, I'm not gonna be five days before with no plan. Can't do it.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 8:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, can't do it.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Wild pricing, yeah. So, uh, it's the opposite of surge pricing. It's discounted, you gotta move this.

• 8:36Matt Farah?

  That's, it's, it's, it's cap, it's puro. Pure, pure capital.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Capitalismo.

• 8:42Matt Farah?

  I was watching, uh, American Gangster last night. You know, there's always the scene in the Coke movie where the chemist is like amazed.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 8:50Matt Farah?

  It's puro, normally it's forty-five percent, it's, it's puro.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  My favorite is Bobcat Goldthwait.

• 8:56Matt Farah?

  They ask to take the extra with them. Yeah, yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  The dope where he's like, watching it cook and he's like, eighty percent? And it's Bobcat just getting more and more unhinged. And then he sniffs it, he's like, I can't feel my face. I think I made it to the trailer, like, that's a good moment for Bobcat.

• 9:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, highlight of the two thousands for Bobcat. Anyway, uh, it's been a lovely morning around here. Some funny weather. I went motorcycling, uh, with my friend Mike, who's in town. Uh, I'm really trying to show him some LA goodness and boy, is he getting the tour. He came out with us yesterday to film the Roof Rodeo. Which, on the way home, he was like, he, you know, cause he was like in the car with me and we're doing the chase and stuff. And he was like, this is, uh, this is really something else, man.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is your job, this is his job.

• 9:42Matt Farah?

  This is, and then, you know, this morning, we go, rode, rode, uh, up to Newcombs on, on motorcycles. Um, I was on a new, um, really cool motorcycle, which I'll talk about in detail next week. The BMW, stupid fucking name. BMW R12. The letter R, the number 12, the word 9, and the letter T. R12, it's like, you, you can't help but go back to Clarkson in 2010. It's, it's named after a fax machine. The R12 9 T.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 10:14Matt Farah?

  Which is a beautiful motorcycle. I mean, a really gorgeous motorcycle. Uh, and there were a bunch of bikes out today and a lot of people, uh, giving me compliments on it. Um, and while I review the bike, I don't have, I didn't take, post pictures of it yet. So, but, but, uh, but dude, we got to the top of Angeles Crest. And we're going up and I'm smelling something. I'm like, is that coolant? What am I, something overheating? Like, what am I smelling? And then the road is wet and I realize, I realize I had forgotten the smell of rain.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  And the smell of wet asphalt, right?

• 10:50Matt Farah?

  The smell of water and rain. I was like, I literally had forgotten and it took me about 20 seconds to be like, that's rain. And all of a sudden, I get to Newcombs and the ground's all wet. I'm like, and there's a bunch of people up. There's a bunch of Porsches, there's a Corvette club. I mean, it's a popular poppin' Saturday up there. A bunch of bikes. There's apparently some kind of support van for some bikes. There's like, there must be some like local group of guys who like to go riding on Saturday and one of them has a van and they just like hire someone to do the support van and they had like catering and shit in there. It was pretty sick. It was pretty slick, actually. Yeah, I'm kind of into it.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  So they, wait, they rode to Newcombs with a van full of food and then?

• 11:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and then hung out and like ate and chilled.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Did they eat at Newcombs? Did they eat in their van?

• 11:33Matt Farah?

  No, the van was like a Sprinter van that they like took a bunch of like food out of and also had like, you know, a bunch of cold waters and like towels and stuff. Like, it was the guys in like full leathers.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Right, it's like bringing the thermal experience with you.

• 11:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they brought like a staff.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 11:51Matt Farah?

  Dude, our fucking Sergio talked about doing that like two weeks ago. He invited us, remember? Yeah. But like, but uh, but it's all wet. And I was like, what's going on guys? And they're like, yo, it's straight up just rained here for like, for like 15 minutes.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 12:08Matt Farah?

  And like, guys, listening, it is, it is August, it is California.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  It was 90 degrees in the valley yesterday.

• 12:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't rain here now. So like, that's interesting. Um, so yeah, the very top was wet, so fun times. But otherwise, what a spectacular day of motorcycles.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Were the 12 o'clock boys up at Newcombs?

• 12:29Matt Farah?

  No. No dude, seriously, today, it felt like, uh, it was pretty much all class, I have to say up there. It was all class. The bike, the, like, the bikes were like, high-end bikes and, and, like, older riders, you know, like, they're like fucking corporate guys on their day off, kinda riders. And then, like, there was like an all Cayman GT4 club and like an all Corvette club and all the Corvettes were like stock.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 12:59Matt Farah?

  It was ve- very interesting.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  To clarify for people listening, the 12 o'clock boys that I'm referring to at Newcombs, I was there once, and there was like guys on Harley Sportsters doing the most impressive wheelies and burnouts and stuff. Not the 12 o'clock boys from the documentary, which is 100% worth watching.

• 13:14Matt Farah?

  Where they're riding like, yeah, quads.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Well, and dirt bikes.

• 13:18Matt Farah?

  And dirt bikes, yeah, yeah. But, uh, different, same tricks. Different, different, uh, riders.

• 13:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, those guys with the Harleys, they got tired, they got bored of like the Ninjas and then like, let's see if we can do this on like fucking baggers and shit.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that, it's, that's real dangerous looking. There's a lot of mass coming at you on one wheel.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they had to be more vertical because of like the center of gravity versus the dirt bike or a jix or something.

• 13:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Really rad to watch though. I'm a fan.

• 13:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, my boy Mike was like, he's from Long Island, you know, and he was like, my friends at home, like, will not believe that this is here. Like, he's never been to LA, I'm trying to show him a good time, you know, and it's just, I, we took him to the mountain, you know, and he likes to ride motorcycles and like, he's never really ridden a windy road that could go for that long without having to stop for something, you know, without having like...

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Cause New York, there's a lot of ta- little townships, right, on the twisty roads.

• 14:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, New York, in New York and Long Island, like, the everyday roads are like windy and pretty and green more so than here where it's just shitty grids. But, they don't have the big mountain that we have.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. So like, it was kind of a, it was, he was like, real excited. He was very, very excited.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Is he ready to move? Is he shopping for real estate?

• 14:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he was like, yeah, he was like, you're really selling this, you know. I was like, oh, look, this is why I came here. I've been inviting you for sixteen years, asshole. It's not your fault. You couldn't have come then.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 14:48Matt Farah?

  You were there. I got here and fucking day one, I was like, you gotta see this shit. It's fucking popping off. Gave him a pluot, his head practically exploded.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  I love it, yeah.

• 14:59Matt Farah?

  It's real easy. You show him the fucking Cali basics and people are like, wait, what? This is a thing?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, mountain and produce.

• 15:05Matt Farah?

  Mountain, produce, he's like, wait, we can go to the farmer's market tomorrow? I was like, yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Every day.

• 15:09Matt Farah?

  What do you see this shit?

• 15:10Speaker 01

  There's a farmer's market every day.

• 15:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. We're gonna go to the Malibu one tomorrow, if you would like to join us.

• 15:17Matt Farah?

  That's good. Yeah, Malibu farmer's market, that's good. The fucking sprouted walnuts, that shit is so next level. It is. I've never seen some shit like that before. Uh, anyway, cars. Should we talk about? Oh, before even cars, the Black Pearl. Notice, sold out in forty-five minutes. So, uh, super thank yous to everyone who bought one of those. There were only fifty, um, and about eleven of them were pre-sold to people that had bought all four.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:50Matt Farah?

  So, um, you know, so we released like, you know, thirty-eight or thirty-nine, uh, to the public and they were gone, or not to the public, to the patrons. Everyone who bought one is a patron, so. Different oyster bracelet, looks a little different. Mine has the prototype bracelet. They keep telling me they're gonna get me an oyster bracelet eventually. But, uh, yeah, looks awesome.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Really cool face, it looks really good.

• 16:14Matt Farah?

  The dial?

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Dial.

• 16:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Sector dial, two pieces of, uh, of Tahitian Black Pearl. Very nice. And I'm gonna keep wearing this one with the Jubilee on it, but as soon as I see them boys, because they've been using my watches for trade shows. Because I have all the colors. They didn't like, keep the...

• 16:33Speaker 01

  They don't have a display model.

• 16:35Matt Farah?

  They're moving them, they're moving them. They didn't, yeah, and so, uh...

• 16:38Speaker 01

  It's a funny problem.

• 16:39Matt Farah?

  So they were like, yo, can we borrow yours? So I gave them my, you know, all of them.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  You know what, that's actually, I think, the same move that hypercar makers and all that, you know, Roof and other companies do. They're like, they bring a car to a show and then they go, well, this one actually is sold. And that one's sold, because we sold them before we built them. So you can't have this one. But, uh, this is what it looks like.

• 16:58Matt Farah?

  I demand, the prototype is usually the one that I keep. Like, they're not making multiple prototypes. They're like, they end up on one, like, factory, like, you whatever, you know, done level prototype. And I've kept all those. So they haven't made extras for themselves. I'm sure they'd rather have the money. They probably have a lot of watches.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:17Matt Farah?

  So.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Especially if you'll just loan them yours for a little while.

• 17:21Matt Farah?

  Especially if I'm willing to loan them mine for trade shows. But it was actually last night, I went to, we went to dinner, we went to Parks. Yum. And, uh, and I was like, I'd like to wear the fucking minty. And then I went, looked in the case and was like, ah, damn.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  I could have loaned you mine.

• 17:37Matt Farah?

  Fuck, at two points. At two points, at two points a day, it's, it's, it's a light, it's a light thing.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  It's gotta be a one day rental, I'm not doing hourly. So it's gonna be 24 hours.

• 17:47Matt Farah?

  Full deposit hold on the card.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  And actually, like Sammy's camera, you're picking it up on Friday, bring it back Monday. We're not open on the weekend.

• 17:54Matt Farah?

  We're closed for the Sabbath.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Um, speaking of cars, like, quick transition before we talk about actual cars.

• 18:00Matt Farah?

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• 22:22Matt Farah?

  And now, back to the show.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Our friend, Parker Kligerman, won his race at Daytona.

• 22:29Matt Farah?

  Hell, motherfucking, yeah, Parker Kligerman. Because he's a very fast driver. He just hasn't had the right car until today.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Kind of true. He's had a lot of, lot of headwind, a lot of problems. The irony of this win is he was driving as a...I didn't know this existed. He was driving as a relief driver.

• 22:46Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  For a, uh, I forget the guy's name, for a young driver. Connor Zilich, who had hurt himself.

• 22:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, I've, okay, I've heard of Connor Zilich, yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  So Connor's like 19 years old.

• 22:55Matt Farah?

  Uh-huh.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  And at lap 13, he had to pull into the pit and they had to swap. I think he broke his collarbone or something and just...

• 23:00Matt Farah?

  Wait, what? You can change drivers mid-fucking race?

• 23:03Speaker 01

  That was my question. I guess you can.

• 23:05Matt Farah?

  What?

• 23:06Speaker 01

  It's a thing. And so Parker was the relief driver.

• 23:09Matt Farah?

  Wait.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  It's about to get stranger.

• 23:11Matt Farah?

  How often has that happened? I've never heard of that. I mean, I'm sure it happens a lot. I've just never actually heard of that happening.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Um, I don't.

• 23:22Matt Farah?

  Cause how often, how often would it happen if, in the middle of the race? Like, it could certainly happen before the race. The guy's fucking, the guy can't make it for whatever reason, the guy gets sick, blah, blah, blah. But like, usually if a driver can't finish the race, something terrible's happened to the car.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:38Matt Farah?

  You know, like, okay, wait, you said it gets weirder. What happened?

• 23:41Speaker 01

  It's weirder because, because Parker won, but he was driving for Connor. So Connor gets the points and therefore like-

• 23:50Matt Farah?

  So Parker didn't win?

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Right. So tech, so-

• 23:53Matt Farah?

  Oh my God, wait, that's so funny.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  It's really weird.

• 23:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, we get so, now we get to laugh at him that he wins and it doesn't count? Oh, that's so funny.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  It's, it's such a bummer.

• 24:05Matt Farah?

  So why don't, dude, he need, alright, Parker, if you're out there, I know you're fucking listening because you got free time. Make merch. Capture this moment with merch. At least get paid. You could, you, if there's a fucking meme about this that you can capture into a slogan on a t-shirt, I think you could do it.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Oh, wow, I didn't realize. So Zilic broke his collarbone in victory lane two weeks ago. Like, I guess he won and then fell down there. That's funny.

• 24:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, it sucks. I'm sorry to laugh at that, but like, that sucks.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  So Parker hopped in, uh-

• 24:38Matt Farah?

  Bet that shit's on video, too.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  And then, um, now, it like, I, I think this is sort of hilarious and I'm in a text group with, you know, Parker and the guys we worked with on proving rounds and we're like, the rule seems to be that no matter what, how Parker wins, he cannot win. But I hope that this gets the attention of the big teams. He was driving for Dale Jr.'s, uh, team who owns, I think, Connor's car. And so, you know, it's like, he, he's a great driver and this proves that he's a great driver and I'm just so excited for him. So shout out Parker for finally winning even though you won't get the credit.

• 25:12Matt Farah?

  That rules.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Isn't that weird?

• 25:16Matt Farah?

  Wow, that's so funny. It's so funny. Good, I mean, good for him. What, wait, what place was he in when they, was he in when they, uh? When they swapped? Yeah. It say? From that point, okay, wait, uh, caution on lap, oh, lap, I mean, lap 13. Click on the Kligerman got behind the wheel link and see where that takes us. Doesn't fucking bring a virus here. Uh, alright, well. That's a video. Oh, yeah. Alright, well. For the long-term treatment of chronic. First, we have to learn, let's learn about what drugs to ask for. Not what drugs. Okay, here. Alright, here's the pit stop. Why does it say? Okay, doesn't say.

• 26:01Matt Farah?

  Doesn't, we need to lower, we need to. Wow, this is like. This is an incredibly dull YouTube video. This is just the pit stop. This, this YouTube video stinks. They're, yeah, they're cleaning. I can't believe they're. While Parker waits. Parker looks like bored. Wait, we need to get in the car. Focused. It's like something terrible's happened in there. Yeah, it does. They're cleaning a lot of stuff out. Yeah. Yeah, but, well, if we had audio on, I guess it would tell us what place he was. Yeah, right, alright, well. Either way, good drive, Parker. I just wanted to give a shout out. Sorry, no one will ever hear about it again. He's gonna get a good ride from this. He needs to get merch, he needs to get merch going. Think of, get, get your merch brain going. Parker wins with an asterisk or something like that. Yes, exactly.

• 26:44Matt Farah?

  Um, okay, do, okay, I have an update, uh, on Zemeyer's Manks. As predicted, uh, the car was running again within about 20 minutes of it arriving at Manks. Uh, Jonathan, uh, radial engine master down there called me and said. He's a radiologist? He's a, yes, we should get him a t-shirt. Get his merch game going. Um, traced it, traced the problem to my front left blinker, which was supplied by a company called, wanna take a guess?

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Well, I know the answer.

• 27:25Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  You told me yesterday.

• 27:27Matt Farah?

  The answer is Lucas, to which I said, "What the fuck?"

• 27:31Speaker 01

  For those who don't know, what is Lucas well-known for? We're not talking about films.

• 27:36Matt Farah?

  Shitty electronics.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:38Matt Farah?

  Now, apparently, this is not the same company. They've just acquired the name, from what we're talking about. But it was a, there was a short in my left blinker, and so, I don't know. I definitely used the left blinker a lot throughout the week I drove the car.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  There's your problem.

• 27:57Matt Farah?

  It was that very last time I signaled left, that it... So, they're rewiring the fuse panel, circuit panel, so that that can't possibly, if any of those things happen, that it can't kill the car. A small fault can't kill the whole car. Lessons?

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:17Matt Farah?

  These are lessons. And they've also, I had a list of updates that I requested, including...

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Windows?

• 28:25Matt Farah?

  Windows. I want doors. I want windows. I want a radio. I want full climate control. Airbags, side curtain airbags, a roll cage, a refrigerator, a fish tank, and...

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Smires makes RP.

• 28:42Matt Farah?

  Color printer.

• 28:44Matt Farah?

  No, I'm retuning the throttle for a better thing. Tightening the shift collar a little bit. It's a little bit, you know, it's that adjustable collar, and it's a little bit floppy left to right, so just a little tighter there. And, see, I wanted to see if they could move the brake pedal. Not move it, but like...

• 29:06Matt Farah?

  You have to, the brakes work great, but you have to press the pedal too hard, too far to get an initial bite. I want a higher initial bite for better heel towing. I have to really, like, work my foot weird, but if I can get a higher bite, it would be like ace. Just like, little bullshit like that.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Can they lengthen the windshield wiper arms?

• 29:25Matt Farah?

  I told them about the windshield wipers, and he was like, "It's not really meant to be driven in the rain, mate." I was like, "No shit."

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Fair point. Lucas Automotive is one of the world's oldest continuously trading automotive brands going back to 1875. So I guess that's why a company would acquire it, so they can put that in their marketing.

• 29:45Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  But their reputation, Lucas's reputation as a name is so bad.

• 29:50Matt Farah?

  It's not good.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  It was like, it was basically blamed for all the electrical faults of every British car in like the mid 1900s.

• 29:56Matt Farah?

  But like this, that light is probably like some kind of OE part from some other old fucking car from the 60s. And that's just like, you know what I mean? And this is now the new version of that old part for that old fuck.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:11Matt Farah?

  I don't think, I don't think it was the part, the fault of the light. I think it had a bad like crimp on it or something. Fixed.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 30:19Matt Farah?

  It's fixed. Uh, oh, I also wanted them to add, guys, we gotta take a break from the show because Mudwater is here. Listen, here's the thing, Mudwater is a new thing, okay? Their OG blend, it's a mix of cacao, chai, turmeric, and adaptogenic mushrooms to help you feel focused without the crash. So this is my thing, I've had an issue with caffeine. It gives me panic attacks. I've been drinking decaf coffee, but I really kind of wish I could get a little more energy, a little more focused at work. And, and I'm not trying to do caffeinated coffee. So Mudwater, this could be the thing.

• 31:00Matt Farah?

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• 33:05Matt Farah?

  I also wanted them to add what are called battens across the top, like the top, which is like a stretched canvas. It's, it seems very tight when the car's sitting there, but when you drive like 60 miles an hour, the center bit, like it doesn't have any structure and it like flaps a bit.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Oh, right, because air's getting under there.

• 33:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it's not like bothersome, but I could totally see it just stretching out and getting shitty like over time. So I want them to like add some like ridges, basically. Either, either they sew like a wire into it, like a fucking bra, or, you know, whatever it is, they've already got a couple in there, like just more, basically, to keep, make it do that less.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  I wonder, I mean, that's, you know, the Cobra has those like spikes all over the outside of the cockpit. And then you snap the tonneau cover into it, which holds it down. Now I understand why.

• 34:05Matt Farah?

  Well, there's only, yeah, there's only, I mean, there's only, there's the windshield, and then there's only the other, the two points of contact to the back, and then the roll hoops, which had stretched over the two roll bars.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, the back makes sense, yeah, but the front, that's an interesting challenge, like getting the front leading edge to stay down, you know, without adding something, because when you take it off, you want it to be like a nice, clean.

• 34:26Matt Farah?

  Well, that's easy, the front leading edge hooks into the windshield.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Wait, I thought that's the part that's coming up.

• 34:31Matt Farah?

  Not, no, no, it's not coming up, it's like, the windshield is affixed, that's not a problem, but then, there's a metal bar above my head, and it's stretched over that, in between is like three feet of nothing.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Like here?

• 34:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right in the middle, over like the shifter, is the biggest, is the farthest from any structure, and so I need, I want like, an X, or some, whatever, to keep, to add structure to that middle bit.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Ooh, okay, but, yeah.

• 35:02Matt Farah?

  I'm sure the person who made this top could make that in 20 minutes.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 35:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like if you, if it was a sailmaker, you'd make it in five, like sails have this, like, the main sails on the boats have like four or five, like, maybe they're like a foot long, and maybe two inches wide, and they're sewn into the sail to keep it from flapping on the edge that's away from the mast.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:27Matt Farah?

  Because there's no structure out there.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 35:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 35:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, I want some of them, so the shit don't flap.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:35Matt Farah?

  But, uh, yeah, it's running again, it's totally fine, and actually, I was like, alright, can I have it back for the weekend? And Jonathan was like, uh, we're doing a photo shoot with it, uh, next week, and then you can have it back for that, I was like, uh, what, photo shoot? Like, what are we, what are we doing here? He's like, can someone come by your house and get the floor mats? I was like, wow.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Do I need to sign a release for my car?

• 35:56Matt Farah?

  What the fuck, paying retail over here, bro.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Again, it's that small manufacturer supercar. They're like, by the way, we're borrowing your car. And you know, they get you. It's like if they gave us the Black Roof Rodeo.

• 36:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's like, he's like, you got, you got stuff to drive. It, we do. We got cars coming at our fucking eyeballs right now.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:13Matt Farah?

  Like the Roof Rodeo, which, which it, we were in, I, in fairness, it was a, it was a, wasn't a bait and switch. It was a, a break and switch. It was a last minute, the last minute switch. We were supposed to drive this Roof SCR Tribute, which is this crazy air-cooled thing. And they were like, ah, it's, it's not quite ready.

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  Do you want to drive the rodeo? And at first I asked Zach, like, do we want to drive the rodeo? Because I didn't know if they would let us drive it appropriately.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:47Matt Farah?

  And then they were like, no, we're gonna be cool. And I was like, well, okay. And it, I, boy, am I glad we did because the Roof Rodeo, it looks, I don't want to say, it looks a little cartoony.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:00Matt Farah?

  Right? It loo-, it loo-, it does look a kind of cartoonish and like, I don't want to be, I don't want to insult the roofs because I love them. But like, I, and I don't mean this in a bad way, but like, a little silly. Like, it's like a whimsical, like, like a toy. Kind of, right? Like exaggerated proportions.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's very exaggerated. The rear end on this, I think the rear fenders are like five inches wider than on the SCR. And that does not look narrow at all.

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  And like the fender flares are huge. Uh, the bumpers are also like a more rectangular design than the rest of the car, which is very round. Or the SCR, like 911s are very round or in a shape. So it does, it seems like it's growing these, you know, being off, it's like transforming into an off-road machine, yeah.

• 37:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  In, in front of you.

• 37:46Matt Farah?

  But like the front and rear bumpers, they don't look like rally car stuff, or they don't look motorsport inspired. I'm not sure what they're inspired by, but that's why, like, I think it's the front and rear bumpers more than anything. Where I get kind of like, huh, like the cartooniness.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 38:04Matt Farah?

  The side, the sides, the fender flares, okay, the wheels, yes, I see a, a rally-inspired thing. But either way, um.

• 38:13Matt Farah?

  This is a fucking goddamn great time, this car. This is, so it's the carbon tub. It's, uh, it's the Metzger-based roof, 3.6 liter, 610 horsepower twin-turbo engine. It has a manually torque-selectable all-wheel-drive system. You can go, uh, I think you can do anything from 50/50 to 100% rear.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  You can do anything from 49/51 to 100% rear. And ours is the prototype, so ours would only switch between what seemed like, well, the display had like an automatic ratio change, and then you could go full 100 rear.

• 38:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  But what I think is cool is they said on the production one, it's almost like a rheostat or a knob where you can go any percentage in between those two ends.

• 38:57Matt Farah?

  It seemed like it was, it was ready to be a touchscreen slider, but ours only had the two settings, which, like, for our purposes, was just fine, actually. Um, but you know, it's got the inboard suspension. It's a, it's, and I said, a carbon tub. When they first told me it was under 3,000 pounds, I was like, no fucking way, but it might be. I, it felt-

• 39:21Speaker 01

  They say 2,700, which is-

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  No, it was 29/50 wet.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  Oh, wet, so the rear saw was dry.

• 39:28Matt Farah?

  Probably dry. Yeah, this is 29/50 wet. Make sure to use my, my clip in the video.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  We're both right.

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, and I, I was like, there's just no way. Like, my, my 1987 car, like, what, you know, wasn't that light. Like, but like, I don't know, it might, I know it might be.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Like, I don't know what, you know, a G-body body weighs by itself, but what we've heard from so many supercar manufacturers, including SSC, but everyone seems to land with a, a body chassis that's like 200 pounds. Like, every company likes to say, "Two people can lift this and carry it around."

• 40:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  I would guess, speculating because I don't-

• 40:07Matt Farah?

  It's probably the same, yeah.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Probably the same.

• 40:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  So, I mean, carbon fiber, it just, it highlights how great that is.

• 40:13Matt Farah?

  And like- Man, so it, this thing really has some fun, dynamic habits, doesn't it?

• 40:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:22Matt Farah?

  It can make big swales in the road, like, completely disappear, which is really fun. Um, but the weight transfer movements are very accentuated, which is also very fun. Uh, when you like rip through the gears at full throttle, the thing like bucks forward and backwards between shifts in just a hilarious way.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  And also, in first gear and second, it throws up traction control, like, it's trying to do a burnout. Once you cross about four and a half thousand RPM, like, and if you turn traction off, it does like a little rolling off-roady burnout. On TireMac, I mean, it's, it's 610 horsepower and like 516 torque.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  It's a lot in a light vehicle.

• 41:02Matt Farah?

  It's a fast, fast, fast car.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:05Matt Farah?

  Um, uh, and, and it, you do have to make a lot of adjustments to drive it fast on the street. And it's kinda sloppy.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 41:15Matt Farah?

  But it's fun.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:16Matt Farah?

  Like, it's actually a very fucking good time. And it has the same turn-in habits of the Storato, where you just lift, turn, flick, smash, and it will just do a four-wheel slide. Like, no problem.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:33Matt Farah?

  All gravy. Um, it really has a fabulous front, rear, left, right balance, just really good.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  And then the steering is quick, it's still really talkative.

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  You know, it's not super heavy, despite having these big tires and stuff, but it's talkative, reacts quickly. Uh, you know, does that thing we love, we've talked about so many times, like, trophy truck movement, rally car movement. I mean, it's, I'd say the suspension is softer than, uh, the rally cars I drove at rally-ready. And so because of that, you have a little more movement, but it's adaptive shocks, though, you can hit the button. But we were driving, I was driving in soft mode, and it just floated over all these road imperfections that I absolutely felt in my car. And then you go into those corners and it just like leans five inches, and then the tire leans a little bit, and then, oh man, it's such a good time.

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  It's so easy to drive with. Like two degrees of oversteer everywhere.

• 42:30Matt Farah?

  Because the weight transfer is so good when you break, all you have to do is break and turn. It will do the rest for you. If you turn just a little harder than you normally would, you just get a little bit and now you're balanced. It's it's gorgeous. It's absolutely fabulous. It's so fucking.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  The video will be awesome because you had some like big honking.

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  I was really, I was really having a lot of fun. The trunk is pretty much gone though, because there's inboard front suspension and like other things where trunk was. Not in, uh, there's also, what was up there? The air, electric air conditioning and. And the something else, but there's like.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  It looked like it was up there.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  There's really not a lot of trunk, although there is room behind the seats. You can throw stuff back there.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Well, behind the seat is a, is a, I'll call it a tall shelf. Like the shelf starts at your shoulders. So you could put jackets or small things. The trunk, or sorry, the frunk is like big enough to hold the briefcase of cash. It's a very shallow carbon fiber frunk.

• 43:37Matt Farah?

  Not great on the storage, but it's got roof rails.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  True.

• 43:40Matt Farah?

  So you could, you could do the cargo box.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd have to do a cargo box because you don't want to like strap things to the roof because then it's on the paint.

• 43:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Fuck, it's a million dollars, but it's so. Sweet.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Dynamically fantastic, just like other roof stuff we've driven. So much fun and all of the themes of it of these like the movement of the body is something we don't really experience a lot in new cars. Because new sports cars are so stiff and it's so fun to feel those limits, you know, at a lower speed. If you had, if you had, you know, nine 11 turbo on that road, there's no way you're sliding anywhere because you'd have to go way too fucking fast.

• 44:20Matt Farah?

  Be insane. You'd be sliding a hundred miles an hour.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  So this, it's just, it brings all of that joy to more accessible level speeds. Levels because it's so expensive.

• 44:30Matt Farah?

  But you can learn a lot by driving a car like this too.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:33Matt Farah?

  It's really good.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 44:36Matt Farah?

  Is there any of these three shots, the interior? The interior is a Ralph Lauren inspired interior. It's got really high-end leather on everything as well as, I mean, what I called in the video, I called them like Native American blankets. I'm not really sure if that's accurate or not, but that's the impression that I get from them, Western blankets. And the ceiling headliner is a Western blanket too. It's fucking awesome.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  The dash construction and stitching and leather work is like the best I've ever seen.

• 45:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's really, really nice.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Really impressive.

• 45:13Matt Farah?

  I wish the steering wheel adjusted.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 45:16Matt Farah?

  It's the only thing about this car that's not like a 12.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  It telescopes.

• 45:19Matt Farah?

  And the air conditioning kinda sucks.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  The steering wheel goes from touching the dashboard essentially to like four inches closer to you. But you're sitting, we're sitting, both of us, like we wanted six more inches.

• 45:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Enjoy that clip, internet.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Like I was sitting too close to it for my feet, but it, you know, you do what you have to do. I was just, I was surprised for a car that costs this much money and has had attention paid to every single bit of it in such an amazing way from like the science, the materials, the construction, the execution, the tuning, to have that as a miss.

• 45:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  I was really surprised.

• 45:56Matt Farah?

  There might be a very good reason it can't be done, but it is, and it wouldn't keep me from buying one or wanting one or whatever, but you know, the Singer had the perfect driving position.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  It did.

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  The Singer Turbo did, like, I hate to say it, but like, you know, there's, there's someone out there that might, that might think those two are competitors.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Well, I know that Roof PR is listening and I know that they're gonna ask Roof why and we'll get an answer, because it might be like a Tuve rule. They can't use a new steering column.

• 46:26Matt Farah?

  It might be.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Or something like that.

• 46:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  But that was truly the only miss.

• 46:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it wouldn't keep me from buying the car. If I could afford it and if I could get one, I totally would. It's rad.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  It is rad.

• 46:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  It's a, you're paying a hefty premium for the name and, and we, we probably both talked about the competition in the in-car, but. The competition doesn't have a carbon fiber tub.

• 46:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the name comes with the tub and that engine. It comes with both. I mean, fabulous interior materials, you know, are great. They're not exclusive to roof. Other people can do great interiors as well.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  True.

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  And there's certain other things about this car that other companies can also do very, very well. Such as TJ Russell, who does an amazing job with his Russell-built cars. That thing was super sick. That was different, though. That was like a 3.8 air-cooled car. I mean, it was a beautiful car. It was really fun, really beautiful. But yeah, the carbon tub and the brand name do... And by the way, I'm not convinced, despite how awesome this is, that they're gonna sell that many. I'm not fully... I mean, maybe they are. I hope they are. It's fucking cool. If someone out there is like, "Hey, should I?" Yeah, you should. But like, I'm not sure if their customer...

• 47:48Matt Farah?

  The customer who wants a roof and the customer who has this kind of money is gonna crisscross, intersect with the customer who's looking for that type of product.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  I totally agree with you. And also, you need the customer who is going to play with it in the dirt.

• 48:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Because I think if, you know... A lot of people buy expensive cars that are track-oriented or high-performance, and they only take them to Cars and Coffee, whatever. But I think this is even more strange. And it's even... And so if most people had to pick between driving the high-performance car meant for tarmac to an event that's held on tarmac versus the off-road thing, they'll probably find themselves leaning more toward the tarmac one because it's a little more at home, I guess, and maybe a little more exciting to them. This is definitely a niche type of thing.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But it's so cool.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:41Matt Farah?

  You just have to be, you know, real rich and real brave.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, you have to like, not brave brave, because it's... It's not that the limits of this car are low. It's very fast, but you can have all the fun with it at very low speeds. You can find an empty gravel lot and in first and second gear have an insane amount of fun with this car safely.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  You know, if you live in like the southwest or anywhere honestly where there's logging roads or open BLM land and obviously you have to be a baller to enjoy this like the car deserves to be taken to those locations, you know, like let this dog run free because otherwise you are missing out on so much of the experience and all you're doing is stunting around and like eating potholes, but who cares?

• 49:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  But gosh, take this on.

• 49:29Matt Farah?

  You shouldn't do this as an investment. Do this one as, do this one as a cash burn.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:34Matt Farah?

  Don't, if you got, you gotta have, have and be willing to spend like, you know, like when I go to play blackjack, I've got my like hundred dollar entertainment fund, two hundred entertainment fund, and I go, this is gone, it's the entertainment fund. If it comes back, great, but if not, you know, you need to have, this needs to be, it's crazy that we're talking about numbers like this.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  It is.

• 49:54Matt Farah?

  It's a very small number of people, but you, if you, but even worse is when people have the access to buy shit like this and then they do and then they worry about earning a positive return so they just don't drive it or don't use it.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  They don't want to scratch it.

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  So like, cause they'll lose money on it. This is like, well, I mean, it does two things because obviously it's out of touch to say that people, everyone should buy this. Everyone, and I mean, anyone at almost any price point should experience sport car on dirt.

• 50:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  In some capacity because the things we're talking about that we enjoyed, you know, short of like the adjustable diff and the power, you can have that kind of fun in a three thousand dollar E30 that you put like some, you know, Bilstein HDs on.

• 50:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So do that. Anything with like a decent diff and some decent shocks and tires and ground clearance. Like it can be a shitty car.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  You'll have all the fun.

• 50:44Matt Farah?

  One might argue it should be a shitty car.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  Um, you might have more fun than this. If I, if you put me in a shitty rally car versus a roof rodeo that I've paid for, somehow have paid for, and the same thing, I'm probably going to have a little more fun in the shitty car.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:02Matt Farah?

  Honestly.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 51:04Matt Farah?

  Cause I can't, I, cause I can't roll like that.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's more disposable and I, and I think that actually. You know, one of the things that works against this is that buying a purpose-built Baja 1000 prerunner, or luxury prerunner, or, you know, serious truck is also nearing a million dollars now. I mean, those things, fully built with every bell and whistle, that is extremely expensive. King of Hammers vehicle, I mean, those are well into six figures.

• 51:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  So, part of me goes, alright, well, if you like sports cars, and you are in that industry, or like that stuff, this is a good time. But, maybe those trucks are more durable, you can't really damage them as much, and so, people will still treat this a little too cautiously.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I hope that whatever, you know, single or double-digit number of people end up with these, I mean, like, the odds of me ever seeing one again, right?

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 51:57Matt Farah?

  Are basically zero. Like, in person, like, the odds of ever driving one again are zero. I told Mike, who I got, I took Mike for a ride in this thing, and I was like, "I hope you understand," and he does, and I wasn't trying to, like, belittle him, I was like, "But I hope you understand, you will probably never be in the presence of one of these things ever again." Like, just, that's just a fact of things. You go to all the Cars and Coffees you can ever go to, you'll probably never see another one of these things.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 52:24Matt Farah?

  Let alone, like, go sideways in one. Like, this is a weird, weird thing we're doing right now.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  In Monterey, we were on a street, and there were five Pagani's, and I think they, you know, coordinated to be there. I don't know if we'll ever see five rodeos, even at Monterey Car Week.

• 52:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, probably not.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 52:40Matt Farah?

  Maybe, unless they have a rodeo.

• 52:43Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  Maybe they'll do it on Rodeo.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, or they'll rent the Bronco off Rodeo in Texas.

• 52:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Probably not.

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  I saw that place, we drove by it for the scout I did. Um, right, we have a lot, we have a lot of questions left over from last time, I think.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  We do have a good bit, and people are paying attention on Saturday, we got some questions all, like, within minutes.

• 53:07Matt Farah?

  People are paying attention on Saturday, huh? It's a boring ass day today?

• 53:09Speaker 01

  I guess so, you know, if one's on break.

• 53:11Matt Farah?

  There were, like, seven different temperatures this morning. Really, really weird.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  So humid.

• 53:16Matt Farah?

  Really strange.

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the humidity, California can't, can't handle our, our fragile temperature system. We can't handle if the wind blows from the east, all fucking hell breaks loose. If the wind comes from the other way and it's as fucking slightest bit humid, it's all, it all goes to shit. Fucking 405 is like half closed this weekend.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Paving half of it.

• 53:40Matt Farah?

  We, uh.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  Which they need to.

• 53:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Mike and I, uh, rode up this morning. I was like, I figure like, you know, we can lane split. We gotta get through it on bikes. I don't want to do it on a car. And it was pretty shit.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Really?

• 53:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. At 6:45 this morning, it was, it went down from, you know, whatever it is, six lanes between the 10 freeway and sunset. It went down from six to two lanes.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Oh, did you guys go over the mountain?

• 54:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  On the 405 and then?

• 54:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we rode, we rode, uh, Upper Bay to Hunga today.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 54:13Matt Farah?

  But we went early, had breakfast over there. We thought it was gonna be super hot. So that's why we wanted to get out there early.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Yesterday, dude, it was a hundred, when we finished with the rodeo, it was a hundred degrees.

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  It was a sweaty.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 54:25Matt Farah?

  And actually Roof, Roof does need to work a little bit on their air conditioners.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 54:31Matt Farah?

  If I'm honest.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Felt like some old Lamborghini shit.

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if I'm honest, Aloisa, chop, chop. We need, we need improved air conditioners.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  I, we had the fan cranked to max and it was gentle. Like the wind speed was gentle and then the cooling was, uh, especially for something that's meant to be in the desert.

• 54:49Matt Farah?

  The one in North Carolina, uh, the SCR, we didn't really need the air conditioner and we were on the track and it wasn't very hot.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:57Matt Farah?

  The, the yellow one in Miami was really hot. That thing was like, that, that day was really hot and really humid.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 55:05Matt Farah?

  And this, this was really hot and really humid. But I saw Kevin driving it up on the highway. Like we saw him on the highway and he was driving it up with both windows down.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:16Matt Farah?

  Like, so clearly, I think we did the, like, I, my customer has not complained about the air conditioning on his CTR anniversary, but yeah, we've, we've not had the best air conditioning experience.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  And for this car, which. Will be driven, should be driven in a lot of strange inclement weather, desert stuff. It should have a crank in system.

• 55:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  You know, because also if you have the windows down, you're going to get dirt inside the car, which will happen, but you don't want to welcome it.

• 55:45Matt Farah?

  No, you don't want to be like mobbing on dirt with the windows down in a car like this if you have the alternative. Not with that, not with the interior like that. But it's so sick. Thank you guys for letting us drive it. We appreciate you. And thank you for not being weeners about it too. And being cool, letting us like rip it a little bit in the dirt and have fun with it. Make it, make it move around a little bit.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  I applaud them for allowing us to do that and them going, yeah, it'll be fine.

• 56:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Because if you want to sell the car like that, a car like that, you should allow people to drive it in the way it's meant to be driven.

• 56:18Matt Farah?

  Exactly. Are you ready to go to the people? Did I get ahead of you there a little bit for a moment?

• 56:23Speaker 01

  No, no, it's fine. We got a bunch ready.

• 56:25Matt Farah?

  Let's go to them. The Patreon is open. Patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire Podcast is where you ask questions for the program. It's where you catch the live stream. It's where you get an ad-free listening experience. It's where you get exclusive access to merch and collabs like the Notice Canyon Black Pearl. And more and more and more. An extra show every month, for example. Patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire Podcast. It's also by far the most effective way to support our program on a regular basis. Notice I added the on the regular basis because dollar for dollar, the most effective way to support our program is to buy all five Notice Canyon watches.

• 57:06Matt Farah?

  So shout out to all yous who did that. All yous patrons.

• 57:13Matt Farah?

  Now, a second Jay-Z has hit the Supra, says, Matt and Zach, what was the most unique car you saw in regular traffic during Car Week? I, I know.

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  I don't thi- I don't know, I guess being on the tour does count, but...

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Calling it, I think calling it unique is my stru- like in normal traffic, not in the tour, I was behind the green Mura SV that I think went to the lawn later.

• 57:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  It was just like, "Oh", and I showed Sarah, she's in the car, and I go, "See how we're just behind this thing and we're all sitting at a stoplight?" Like, I think that was probably the rarest.

• 57:51Matt Farah?

  I saw on the way into Monterey, arriving on Wednesday morning, I saw the Alfa Romeo Disco Volante being driven around, and I was like, "Holy shit." And even Hannah was like, "I have no idea what that is, but I can tell by looking at it that it's something nuts."

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  And then, oh, southbound on the 101 when we left, we passed that, um, like Harlequin 911 and the Harlequin Land Cruiser.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  Which I guess were like...

• 58:20Matt Farah?

  The Sean Witherspoon cars.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were like given to random people to drive down, but just happened upon them.

• 58:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, pretty cool stuff.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, Tom Early says, "What's the shortest amount of time you've ever kept a car that you intended to keep long-term?" Uh, I had my- I had the Hummer H1 for three months.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Oh, that little?

• 58:38Matt Farah?

  That was the shortest, yeah.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  Oh, I thought it was longer than that.

• 58:40Matt Farah?

  No, three months. I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. It was fucking so stupid.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I...

• 58:46Matt Farah?

  It might have been, it might have been four or five, but I, I remember it, in my head it's three. It was definitely less than six.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 58:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It was not good.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  You had it for like the winter, right, and then you got out of it?

• 58:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I bought it like in November and I sold it like before the summer.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 59:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, "Lick my Aztec", it's kinda funny. "True or false, the 996 is without question the ugliest 911 ever made?"

• 59:20Matt Farah?

  There's a couple to me that are kinda bad. There's a couple of those like weird bumper cars. Like the long bumper tra- like 74, 75, like weird, they look a little strange to me that I don't really like.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Slant nose to me.

• 59:35Matt Farah?

  You're not into a slant nose?

• 59:37Speaker 01

  I'm not. Like, the shape of it's fine, but I look at it and I just think it's strange. Plus it had like the weird big bumpers back then also. So I think the 996, especially from profile, is better looking, but...

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, yeah, I don't...

• 59:51Speaker 01

  The thing is, most of the cars look, and I'm not trying to be disparaging as I usually am, like, they're kind of the same, they're very similar. So it's like, sure, it's the ugliest, but only because the headlight was not round for a brief amount of time. Otherwise, it would all be like a tie.

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you put 997 headlights on a 996, it would really change it a lot. It's really just the headlights, more so than anything else.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, you know, John and Kate plus eight, like if one of their children looked very, 2% different, like that's the ugly one. They all look the same.

• 1:00:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  Oh, Dre got out of the...

• 1:00:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, Dre got out of the terrible Audi, alright, good on you, bro. Borats carry peace. Thoughts on the new Rise Against album? P.S. Your attorney is awesome. I hope you mean off the record, and we do love off the record. Um, I haven't listened to the whole Rise Against album yet. I really should, because I'm seeing them in three weeks in New York.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  But, uh, the songs I've heard, uh, come through my Apple Music are good.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  Disrespectfully agree. I like that one. Uh, can you speak on proper seating position for spirited driving? Like, how bent should my legs and elbows be? How far should I be from the wheel? Um, I like to be, uh, assuming you're driving a manual, far enough from the dashboard so that your clutch pedal hits the floor before your leg is hyperextended. Like, when it's like just almost fully extended.

• 1:01:23Matt Farah?

  And I sit a little further back than that if I'm like cruising long distance. Uh, and then when you drape your hand over the wheel, it's your wrist should sit on the top of the wheel. And you should sit like pretty upright. That's pretty much it.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  And usually if I'm driving faster, whatever, I sit a little more upright than like, you know, there's like seven tenths seating and then I go and move it up a little bit more for faster.

• 1:01:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you're really on a track or something, then you don't want to be stretching for the wheel. You want the wheel to be pretty, not pretty close, but you want to be able to hold the wheel at nine and three and have your elbows be solidly bent.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:01Matt Farah?

  Um, you'll have much better leverage, you'll wear out your arms less.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, use your shoulders more or your back and your shoulders and also your range of motion. You can just sit in your car and go, if your arms are straight, like how much can you move before you're all crossed up versus, you know, full hundred eighty or two seventy degrees?

• 1:02:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Lots of talk, usually shit. That's pretty funny. Uh, EV manufacturers have been able to sell their credits to OEMs who don't produce enough zero emissions vehicles. Now that there are zero dollar fines imposed by CAFE, is there still a market for EV credits? Interesting question. Um, I'm not sure that CAFE standards and EV credits are part of the same system. They may, they may be separate. I mean, CAFE is a, is corporate average fuel economy.

• 1:02:57Matt Farah?

  I don't know if green credits are used to boost your corporate average fuel economy or if they're used to offset not producing either enough numbers or enough percentages of electric vehicles. So like, on the one hand, if, if there's no fine by CAFE and EV credits were used to get you help towards CAFE, then I would say that, yeah, Tesla and other car makers who are selling their shit are kind of in trouble. If that is, uh, not the case and they're separate systems entirely, you know, then...

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  And just for like, to add context, uh, Tesla, for example, they made a lot of money selling EV credits. I'm not picking on them, I'm just bringing them up because I knew that. Um, they made six hundred and ninety-two million dollars selling regulatory credits in the final quarter of 2024.

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Alone. And it was nearly thirty percent of their income, uh, for that quarter. So, you know, companies like them were making a ton of extra money.

• 1:04:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  Not just selling cars, selling these credits.

• 1:04:06Matt Farah?

  I just don't know if they're the same system, you know.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:04:09Matt Farah?

  The credit, they might, it might not be. But yeah, that could be a problem. Habibi Autosport, Habibi I Autosport, excuse me. What's the best way to make a boring car interesting? Nearly anything can be made cool by lowering and adding tasteful wheels.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:04:27Matt Farah?

  That's certainly a good place to start. Yeah, you can tweak some cosmetics, ride height, wheels. You can do, you know, paint body colored moldings, you know, body, or paint moldings body color instead of black. You can do stuff like that.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  I think any kind of individuality helps and, you know, like, we have to define interesting. But if you have a boring car and you open the door and the interior, for example, like the seats are restitched. People go, oh, you put your own spin on this. You put your flavor on this car. It's not just an LS400, you know, something like that that makes it stand out from the other cars that might be at the meet.

• 1:05:12Matt Farah?

  I, well.

• 1:05:16Matt Farah?

  Okay, wait. Waymo, Waymo handjobs from women I hardly know. That is like, there's layers to that. The la, you've got a Waymo and the play on the word Waymo. And handjobs from women I hardly know is from Crazy People. And if you guys haven't seen Crazy People, you need to go watch Crazy People because it's fucking awesome.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  And also, if the Waymo is giving the handjob, does that mean it's an autonomous handjob? And there's not a crazy person?

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  Because it's a Jaguar. Because the ad was for Jaguar. Yes, yes, I want a handjob.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  That is a fantastic name. That really is.

• 1:05:52Matt Farah?

  There's like.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  There's like five layers to that.

• 1:05:54Matt Farah?

  There's like layers to that. I, I very much respect that.

• 1:05:59Matt Farah?

  And they track their stock M3, M2 comp, couple of weekends a year. I want to improve turn-in, but I don't have a ton of mod money. Should I spend money on new suspension or a squared wheel setup on dedicated track tires? I think you should do a squared wheel setup on dedicated track tires. Right? If you want to go faster on the track, turn in harder. I would do the track shit. You'll leave your, you'll, you'll, you'll leave your warranty, whatever's about it, left of it intact. Uh, you won't make it too stiff for the street.

• 1:06:40Matt Farah?

  I'm not sure stiffening your suspension will do all that much for your turn in.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  I totally agree with you. It's already an M2 comp. So, I mean, the last time I drove one of those, I didn't, I was not wanting for more spring rate. I was, granted, I was on Angeles Crest, but like, it seemed like a pretty stiff car. But if you add sticky tires, we've talked about, like, you're gonna stop better, you'll accelerate better, your turn in, your max grip will be better. And it'll be cheaper than buying suspension for a little bit.

• 1:07:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I assume, based on the fact that they are asking about a square stance setup, that that is a thing that people do on the M2s. I've not looked into that about M2s, but like, they do it in Mustangs, they do it in Camaros. I assume they do it in M2s. So like, yeah, if people are already doing that, like, that seems like a thing. And you may be able to get a factory alignment. You may be able to get, excuse me, an alignment using your new wheels and tires that is designed to help you turn in harder. It may be at the expense of straight line stability, but you're on a track. Like, you're two hands on the fucking wheel and it's a flat surface. Like, tramlining isn't the problem. You can get a track alignment for those wheels and tires.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Yes. It, I'll say that going square stance and getting alignment on my car transformed how the front end felt.

• 1:07:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, spin the Mercedes black circle. That's funny because it's Pearl Jam, but how does the Mercedes black circle, is that like the, the star?

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  I think so. It's gotta be, right?

• 1:08:11Matt Farah?

  I guess, but, mm, I'll give it a seven. I mean, respect for Pearl Jam and for like trying, but like, who, we don't call it the Mercedes black circle. Do you? You call it like the three pointed star.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:24Matt Farah?

  Right. Just saying. Would an advanced driving course like Dirtfish be too much for a 16-year-old that just got his license? Fuck no.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  Such a good idea.

• 1:08:34Matt Farah?

  Send it, both the kid to the school and the car, once he's there.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  And whoever you're asking, you should do it with them.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  It'd be a great bonding experience, but I think this will lead to your kid being a safer driver. Should something ever go wrong in inclement weather, just make sure that they know to like, they don't feel like they got a superpower and then they can go explore those limits on public roads.

• 1:08:57Matt Farah?

  Uh, Mike Honcho's Playgirl spread. How similar are Audi R8s to R35 GTRs?

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Zero.

• 1:09:07Matt Farah?

  Very different. I have an R35 GTR and want to add a V10 experience. I've never been in an R8, but worry it will feel too similar to the 35 with both being all-wheel-drive. Mid-engine versus front-engine, okay. No, I think they're very different cars.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:22Matt Farah?

  I don't, there's not a lot that they have in common, really. I mean, except they're maybe a little pushy under braking, but, uh, but, uh...

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Just not all-wheel-drive systems are created equal. Not all cars that have all-wheel-drive will feel equal. I think the R35 feels bigger, heavier, literally clunkier because of the transmission. I mean, the R8 is, feels like a smaller car, more exotic, of course, the, um...

• 1:09:50Matt Farah?

  Sounds better.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Sounds better.

• 1:09:52Matt Farah?

  Gearbox is better.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they'll feel very different.

• 1:09:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you're not gonna, you might not want to get back into the R35 if you spend any time in an R8. You can probably, where can you go drive an R8? I would Turo one, if you can. You might be able to go to like Vegas, maybe some of the track, the Dream Racing or someone might still be running one.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Find a dealership, sell them a used one and just tell them you're curious and if you show up in a car that, if they deem you a responsible person that has the money to fix it if you break it, then I'll let you test drive it. Ironically, they say, would a 4th-gen Viper be a good choice? I think cockpit-wise and visibility, that actually feels more similar to an R35.

• 1:10:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  You know, dynamically, it's very different, but like, they're both this cocoon you can't really see out of.

• 1:10:35Matt Farah?

  4th-gen Vipers are really plasticky.

• 1:10:39Matt Farah?

  I mean, they're, they're very capable, especially the ACRs. But man, I

• 1:10:47Matt Farah?

  I love the idea of a Viper and every time I just sit in one, I go, nah, hell no.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  They're such good looking cars, though, man. GTS?

• 1:10:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy, they fucking junk to touch. They're just bad to the touch. Um, I don't have the answer to that one. The second Jay-Z has hit the Supra. Nissan announced this week they're bringing back the Xterra. And Infiniti would be getting another manual transmission rear drive sedan. Is it too little, too late for them, or do you think they can somehow pull themselves back?

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Huh. So another G35?

• 1:11:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, G, a G whatever. That's gonna, probably a G400 or something, or, you know.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  Probably that, right? It's probably gonna be built on the Nissan 400.

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Nissan architecture and, um, I mean, the Xterra could be awesome, actually, if it's a, if it's a good little truck.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  I, I, yeah, I never really know what Infiniti's doing. I mean, they had they had such a fucking smash hit with the first gen G35s.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Matt Farah?

  That first gen G35 coupe ripped.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was a great car.

• 1:11:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. What, what were they doing after that? What happened?

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, look, the, the entire market basically moved away from coupes and sedans. And that was their bread and butter. They went to crossovers.

• 1:12:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  And, but Nissan probably sold way more rogues than Infiniti sold. I'm speculating, but like, I see more of them around. I don't know. But I think the things we loved about Infiniti were the cars and fewer people are buying cars.

• 1:12:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't know, man. When they started doing these like little compact crossover things, Infiniti, I don't know, I don't care. My trainer Sean had an Infiniti G37. He, he got rid of it. He was like, I'm over this thing. Habibi, come back.

• 1:12:43Matt Farah?

  Do either of you remember the moment you got into cars? I do. I mean, not the moment, but I remember, like, I have, like, my first car magazine, I still have, had the DeLorean on the cover.

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 1:12:57Matt Farah?

  Explains a lot.

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  Don't you have, like, every magazine somewhere?

• 1:13:00Matt Farah?

  Every, no.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  I thought, oh, I thought you said once you had, like, all-

• 1:13:02Matt Farah?

  I had all Car and Driver Road and Track from, like, 1988 to, like, 2004.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a lot.

• 1:13:10Matt Farah?

  It is a lot. It's like a couple, like, bins of them, yeah.

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  I think the, I think the moment would either be when my, when I was five, my dad let me, like, shift or steer his Scout. So I was like, oh, that's fun.

• 1:13:24Matt Farah?

  Ooh, gears!

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Gears. And then our neighbor, we lived out in, like, forest land, and our neighbor, uh, was a, a repairman for the boardwalk, and they used to have these old, like, they looked like mini Carmen Gias that they used to, like, let people drive somewhere on the track. And he, like, unbolted it from the safety track, and you could just drive it around. So we just, his son took me for a ride in the dirt, and I went, "Oh, shit, this is a good time."

• 1:13:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  So that was probably it.

• 1:13:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I see dead Altima's. Thoughts on a possible Tiptronic to manual swap on 996s? I think you're, you'd, there'd be more money in it for early 997s. But, yeah, do it. Like,

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  It's gotta be possible, right?

• 1:14:07Matt Farah?

  I don't think the delta between the two cars is all that much. I mean, a Tiptronic 996 is, like, 20 grand, and a, and a manual one is, like, 35. Which is, like, don't get me wrong, that's a real money difference, but like,

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  But it, but-

• 1:14:20Matt Farah?

  That's not a lot of room for a viable business model and labor and all that, and the fact that the car's no longer original.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:28Matt Farah?

  You know, and whatever.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  And, as we've learned from Oz, the guy with ESL, but in other cars, it's not just swapping the hardware sometimes. As you get into newer cars, there might be ECU work that has to get done. So finding someone that can tell the car that this transmission swap is okay may be more challenging than just bolting stuff up.

• 1:14:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Josh J. said, "Are there companies that can help find niche cars that are not necessarily super expensive, like 80s Saabs or TVRs?"

• 1:15:03Matt Farah?

  I mean, the car like broker sorcerer type of people just tend to work at the higher end. Because like, if it's the same amount of work to find a fucking Saab or a Ferrari, and you get paid on a percentage.

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:15:19Matt Farah?

  What are you looking for Saabs for?

• 1:15:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, the importers, a lot of those guys know, like, because they look at auctions, like foreign wholesale auctions, and so they might be able to find stuff like that.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  It's probably a good call is finding someone that does a lot of, a lot of, like a volume of business, and just telling them that you're looking for this, and they might stumble, like, switch cars or something. You just put a bug in their ear and maybe they'll hit you up one day. But you're probably gonna have better luck just doing your own research on eBay and stuff.

• 1:15:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, Rimac my Passat is pretty funny. I would, is that better than Passat my, I think Passat my Rimac might be better? Passat, oh, either way. Uh, what was the question there? Oh, if you were gonna have a comedians lemons team, who would you want on your crew? Crew chief, driver, lead tech. Crew chief, I'd want to be Lewis Black.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Not expecting that answer at all.

• 1:16:26Matt Farah?

  Uh, as, as a driver, I mean, who, who's, I mean, who's, like, Tom is the obvious one, but someone's gonna be faster than Tom. Who, what, some comedians have done the fucking, that celebrity Grand Prix.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  There's, well, there's, uh, what's his?

• 1:16:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, Adam Carolla, I guess.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  There's him, but there's also Frankie Muniz.

• 1:16:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  But he's very funny.

• 1:16:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  And he's fast.

• 1:16:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he races NASCAR.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  He's still racing, yeah. He's doing a lot of stuff.

• 1:16:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  He'd probably be really fun. Um, I think crew chief, I'm gonna go with Anthony Jeselnik, because he's such a calculating, specific person.

• 1:17:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  That car and that team are gonna run like clockwork.

• 1:17:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, he'd call you into the pits, but then not do anything. And he'd be like, Anthony, why'd you call me in the pits? And he goes, I just wanna tell you that I cut the other team's brake lines. Now get back out there.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  Just ruthless.

• 1:17:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's a good one.

• 1:17:22Matt Farah?

  I would definitely want Kippy and Foley in charge of hot dogs for the team.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Sure, I mean, yeah, they seem like they know food.

• 1:17:31Matt Farah?

  They do.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, NK says, "What modern supercar is the most influential and serves as the poster car for Gen Z?" It's gotta be Koenigsegg's. Those car spotter kids, it's fucking all about Koenigsegg's for them, you know?

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, but all, and also I think Pagani's. I think it's always the super expensive stuff. Because, and it looks like alien technology, so yeah, they're into it.

• 1:18:02Matt Farah?

  Um, I, uh, Stu Dog is asking if we've seen a video. I did see it, but I don't, I would like to know what happened before I talk about it. Uh, okay.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  We, we actually skipped the question of G-Pac-Tua.

• 1:18:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, we know, we're, sorry, okay. Aspherical drivers' mirrors are hard to get in the US. "What other features do foreign market cars have that you wish we had here? And what do we have that other markets need?"

• 1:18:29Matt Farah?

  They have the, the, the connected car speed limit displays, which are connected to the, to the roads, which is nice, variable speed limits.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Variable speed limits, oh my god.

• 1:18:38Matt Farah?

  That's nice, I like that.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  I wish we had the fast diesels, like the BMWs they have over there.

• 1:18:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they have laser headlights, which I think we're just starting to get now.

• 1:18:51Matt Farah?

  Those are, those are some of the better features that they have over there that we don't. Um, "What do we have that other markets need?"

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Fucking Hemi V8, man. Need TRX for every country. I don't know why I did that voice for that.

• 1:19:06Matt Farah?

  I don't either. Um, "What do we have to offer other countries in terms of driving?"

• 1:19:14Matt Farah?

  Good question, because cars, like, so a lot of our cars are too big for other countries. Yeah. In the UK, even, even our small pickups there feel gigantic. Yeah. But they're probably helpful. I told you about Hannah and the Mercedes GLE in Italy, right? Yeah, yeah, when you see it in context. So funny. It's like an elephant. Yeah. Well, here in America, if you turn off the ADAS, it stays off through the cycle. Good point. They need that in Europe. Lamborghini in a bottle, that's pretty fucking good.

• 1:19:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, took our advice on finding a clean radwood car idea and bought a super clean red, hard body Nissan Pathfinder with a manual. There you go. Those are cool. I like that. And I think they last forever. They are very, very cool.

• 1:20:06Matt Farah?

  What, Islander? Islander says, uh, you, wait, okay, wait, hold on.

• 1:20:16Matt Farah?

  Tony Rodriguez Salgotta, what is the best sounding motorcycle you've ridden? Zach's only ridden a couple of motorcycles. I've only ridden three, so I'll just say, like, any Ducati, though, is my favorite sounding motorcycle. The best motorcycle I've ridden is the Aprilia Dorso Duro 750, which is not a very good motorcycle, but it sounds insane. I loved it, and it was really, really fucking sick sounding, but I've, I've heard a CBX go by at full clip, and that's just, there's nothing like a CBX.

• 1:20:54Matt Farah?

  These are the ends. All right, I.

• 1:20:57Matt Farah?

  Cayman Messiah, oh, beard maintenance. Beard maintenance routine, I, I wash and condition my beard every other day. That's what I do. And then I shave, I also shave my head and everything every other day. That's it. I use, I use Keels Close Shavers Squadron aftershave cream, and it rules, rules, it's so good. Kurt Bergstedt is a 2013 ZL1 with 20,000 miles for $45,000, a good buy.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  That is a really fun car.

• 1:21:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but that does seem, I mean, 20,000 miles is low.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:41Matt Farah?

  But 2013 ZL1, that'll have an LSA. That's gonna have a 556 horsepower CTSV engine.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  I think that car was like 55.

• 1:21:49Matt Farah?

  It's got Mag Ride.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:21:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, that's a fast car and 20,000 miles is low. 45,000 seems high.

• 1:22:01Speaker 01

  I think my question would be, can you get a CTSV that also has?

• 1:22:06Matt Farah?

  Not with 20,000 miles.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  Not with 20,000 miles, but if I could get a CTSV that has Mag Ride and essentially the same engine, the interior is so much nicer.

• 1:22:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  And I think the ZL1's rad and when we drove it back in the day, it's like a budget AMG car. It feels every bit of like GT muscle Mercedes to me, but Camaro interior.

• 1:22:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  I feel like it looked cheap when it was brand new. So I just, I don't think I could live with it now.

• 1:22:34Matt Farah?

  And that's a fifth, that's a fifth, a fifth gen. The sixth gen was like a little better, but only just. Yeah. Man, 45,000, if it was 40.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  I might be able to talk him down.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  Offer 40.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Offer 35.

• 1:22:48Matt Farah?

  Offer 35.

• 1:22:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Matt Farah?

  Saddle at 40. If they're asking 45, offer, offer 35, meet in the middle at 40 and it's a good buy. 20,000 miles is not a lot for one of these.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Not.

• 1:23:00Matt Farah?

  As long as, if, as long as under your ownership, you kept it under like 40, you're probably pretty good there. Travis Pastrana's primary care provider, favorite generation of WRX STI.

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  Hawkeye, all day.

• 1:23:14Matt Farah?

  22B.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  All day.

• 1:23:15Matt Farah?

  Two-door, non-US version for me. Waymo money, Waymo problems. Two Waymo usernames in one. I don't, I don't know what Telo Trucks are. Thoughts on the Telo Trucks Aptera partnership? You know, I saw an Aptera on the road, one, like they're, they, they have one that's like a prototype. They did invite me to drive it. I never got around to it. Oh, that's a weird looking thing. That looks like a Range Rover if you cut the nose off it, or like a Rivian with no nose.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. Solar panels on the roof.

• 1:23:51Matt Farah?

  Uh huh, uh huh. I mean, look, Apteras solar panels generate 200 watts each at peak sunlight, delivering 1 to 2 watt hours per day. Okay, so 1 to 2 watt hours. The battery on the Taycan is 87 kilowatt hours. So 87,000 watt hours to, from zero to full. And this does 1 to 2, again, of 87,000 per day.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Let's just say, even if it was just 87 watts, watt hours, sorry. That would still take 40 to 80 days to charge it.

• 1:24:37Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, wait, 1 to 2 watt hours per day. So like, wait.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  This is weird.

• 1:24:48Matt Farah?

  Wait, so 1 to 2 watt hours per day. So that means, let's just be generous and call it 700 watt hours for a year. Right, so not even 1 kilowatt hour for a whole year. That's like not a lot.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  And I'm happy to be wrong about this. So if you're listening, you're like an electrical engineer, solar engineer, correct us in the comments. But it does seem like, I completely understand this goal of can we have solar power that charges the car? Infinite energy machine, fantastic, great, let's do that. But when we do this math, it does come across like a gimmick. Now, maybe that solar power like runs the electronics inside, but the battery that already, that powers the vehicle can also do that. So it just seems like a whimsical idea that actually doesn't do much.

• 1:25:40Matt Farah?

  I went to a launch for some kind of prototype car like 2 years ago that had solar panels all over it. And they basically said if you keep it parked outside all day in like Phoenix or San Diego or something, then you can get about 1,500 miles a year in solar driving. This was their claim. I did not test it or even drive the fucking car. In fact, the car looked kind of like a shit box. But, um, but that's a lot more than what they're talking about here.

• 1:26:17Matt Farah?

  But, anyway. I don't know. Aptera did offer to let me drive a car and I should circle back with them and probably take them up on it because it does look funny and weird. But they haven't sold any, that's true. Let's, I'll write, I'll even write it down. Call Aptera.

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  Because I need more things to drive.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Are we doing this math wrong? Like, this has TLO, and this is on Auto Week. TLO vehicles consume 200 to 300 watt hours a mile. So if, does that mean like this solar energy capture is just pointless?

• 1:26:59Matt Farah?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 200 watt hours a mile, that seems very, very low. Because like, usually it's like 3 miles per kilowatt hour.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I'm saying if the TLO vehicle is this efficient, so it's, you know, 70% more efficient than, you know, Taycan. That's great, but still having the solar panels. If it needs 200, let's go with conserve. If it needs 200 watt hours to go a mile.

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  200, yeah.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  And then the solar can generate 200 watts at peak sunlight, 1 to 2 watts per day. 1 to 2 watt hours per day, sorry. So that's still like

• 1:27:42Matt Farah?

  Not much.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  2% of what it actually takes to move 1 mile.

• 1:27:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:27:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It might be enough to like, run the climate control. You know, if you, if you parked it in a hot place and went hiking. Maybe it could run the climate control.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Matt Farah?

  You know, to keep it at 100 degrees instead of 150 degrees in your car. You know.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  It's a cool, look, I do dream sometimes about the day like you can just Drive an EV out into the woods, leave it for two weeks, go for a backpacking trip, come back, it's charged the battery, you can drive on.

• 1:28:18Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:18Speaker 01

  And maybe we'll get there with energy density and like, I don't know.

• 1:28:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, they kinda have that now, you just have to leave it plugged into a level one. Like, if you plug it into a 110, like, that will happen.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Right, no, I'm talking about solar capture, like, or you have to get out with a solar array and leave it on the ground.

• 1:28:32Matt Farah?

  No, you can have a solar, you can have a solar battery tender. I mean, you can have a very small solar panel that will keep your car's 12-volt battery alive, you know?

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't want to charge the big battery, but it's a ways out.

• 1:28:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's not, not anytime soon. Uh, thanks, everybody. We appreciate you listening to our little program here. Uh, we got a couple new videos coming, uh, we've got, uh, a lot more cars to drive. Zach and I are going out on Monday to drive the Totem GT, which is going to be really something special. And, uh, yeah, thank you to our patrons, everyone who bought a Notice Canyon of any color, uh, and we appreciate all of you very much. And, uh, if you do want to support the show directly, the best way possible is at patreon.com/the-smoking-tire-podcast. We'll see you guys later, bye.