CA Tire War; Luce Conspiracy Theory; Q&A

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman discuss the viral video about California's war on tires; a very interesting carbon-fiber roadster from ... Argentina?; Blink 182 and Mercedes; Bad Thoughts Season 2; and Patreon questions include: Bronco as a winter commuter? Quality consistency from watch brands The one car we'd restomod as a business First single-clutch auto we liked Best FWD car fro the early 2000s Worst track in the country Mods that didn't improve our cars This car is better than a 981 Boster GTS Mazda's new "green" And more! Recorded June 1, 2026 Show Notes Vinbidders Smoking Tire fans get $100 off the listing price with promo code TIRE and by visiting https://vinbidders.com/tire Go from submitting your car to a confirmed sale in under 1 week with VinBidders. And you only pay $149 if the car sells. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com/ TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Fitbod Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://fitbod.me/TIRE Hims For simple, online access to personalized and affordable care for Hair Loss, ED, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://hims.com/TIRE. Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:45Matt Farah?

  If you get pulled over, don't plead guilty, get off the record. On today's episode of the Smoking Tire, I talk about a cool, custom-built car out of Argentina that could potentially be the future of a retro future, if you know what I'm saying. We talk about a viral Instagram video in which almost nobody is actually checking the primary source material, and a whole lot more. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Did you think it was weird that Blink 182 played at the Mercedes launch? You did?

• 1:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  I was just like, "Oh, that's how money works."

• 1:23Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, no, I didn't think it was like weird. I mean, you know, I've seen multiple artists that are now dead play at the Gran Turismo party at SEMA, so like, you know, Scott Weiland in a fucking fur coat and shit, you know, I doubt he cared much about Gran Turismo. Wasn't like, but like, yeah, it's a bit of an odd choice.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46Matt Farah?

  Cause like, like, here's the thing about Blink 182. Like, I'm like, do you like Blink 182?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:55Matt Farah?

  Like, I like-

• 1:56Speaker 01

  And it's okay if you don't.

• 1:57Matt Farah?

  No, like, I like Blink 182 also, but like, it doesn't, uh-

• 2:04Matt Farah?

  seem like the right music for a German car launch.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  I completely agree with that.

• 2:12Matt Farah?

  It's not that having that level of band is weird.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  No, no, I agree.

• 2:17Matt Farah?

  That actual band, it's an odd, like Blink 182 music, even though these guys are like in their 50s, is like juvenile music.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  A lot of it's like high school angst. It's just better musically than a lot of their competition was. So I think that's why, part of why it was catchier. Like it was, you know, pretty, they were pretty great. But yeah, a lot of it's like, nobody likes me right now.

• 2:41Matt Farah?

  Well, that might, you could say that about the Mercedes super sedan.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Very funny point. It's like, it's like pandering to SoCal aggressively, like, hey,

• 2:49Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  your SoCal royalty is here. Do you like the car? You're like, no, but I like the band. And they're like, yeah.

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  Sixth Street Bridge.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  So therefore you like the car, right?

• 2:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything to, it's a, it is a distraction. You know how they say, like, if you have a really, like, ridiculous lavish, over the top wedding, like your, you know, your marriage won't last very long.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Renew your vows after two years?

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  I think that science applies to car launches. If you have like, like, no, it's not one to one, but like, there's, you know, you could do a pretty, a pretty over the top thing for a sort of, where it's like, please talk about not the product.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Toyota Sienna was, the invite was Hawaii.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  I didn't go, but my colleagues that went, they were like, most of the time we spent doing Hawaiian activities.

• 3:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Harris talked about this when they did like an emergency podcast about the Luceè.

• 3:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  And he's like, you can always tell, like, the more curated,

• 3:48Speaker 01

  the launches, both in terms of where and who they bring, like, he's like, they didn't bring a lot of drivers to that launch.

• 3:56Matt Farah?

  Sure, they probably, they brought tech people.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  It was a lot of tech because, yeah, so it's all very managed.

• 4:00Matt Farah?

  They brought people that were more interested in seeing what is Johnny Ive's next thing than what is Ferrari's, you know, next thing. I mean, it's not always, like, sometimes a brand. Has a very important product like I point to like the 2013 Range Rover when they went to Amman, we went to Amangiri like that was pretty crazy but like we then went out and did very Range Rover-y things like in the cars like we did some pretty sweet off-roading out there actually and so it was it was like both or like the DB12 in Monaco but like when you shut down a city infrastructure you know to launch a car it's like oh there's this is a little more than normal you know

• 4:43Speaker 01

  The Sixth Street Bridge I mean that's is that the most it's an oddly famous part of LA like it's been in a lot of movies

• 4:51Matt Farah?

  The old bridge which is gone and now we have the new bridge

• 4:54Speaker 01

  But like it is a funny thing like hey remember in T1 you know Terminator 2 when they shot at each other on this bridge like yeah like would you like to have a car launch there like your brain is wired I mean they just it's like a famous thing it's almost become a meme of like if you shut down Sixth Street Bridge and shoot on it

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah

• 5:10Speaker 01

  That's a cool thing to do

• 5:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah Yeah it's uh you know black double black location scouting I suppose you know it highly advanced highly advanced

• 5:20Speaker 01

  It hurts to laugh

• 5:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Double black

• 5:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah location scouting that's like that's like what Scotto does you know

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Yeah

• 5:30Matt Farah?

  It's that kind of thing you do it just to say you're you're doing it but like if they really thought the carbs can be fucking super super well received by everybody they may not have gone to the lengths of hiring Blink 182 do you think they just gave them each a car?

• 5:47Speaker 01

  No I think they took cash yeah but like you know George Russell's there they have to be

• 5:52Matt Farah?

  Oh sure

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Brad Pitt probably wanted or had to be so

• 5:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah I mean he probably because there's gonna be a sequel to the film right

• 6:01Speaker 01

  They're heavily invested I reckon so

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah so yeah I think the film is like a total

• 6:08Speaker 01

  F2

• 6:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah

• 6:10Speaker 01

  F1 2

• 6:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah

• 6:12Speaker 01

  F12

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  How did they get into this conundrum because F2 is

• 6:16Speaker 01

  They can't do F1 colon 2 they're gonna have to call it something but

• 6:21Matt Farah?

  But F2 just means something completely different

• 6:23Speaker 01

  They're gonna call it F1 season 2

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  I hope not.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  I hope not, that wasn't.

• 6:29Matt Farah?

  I certainly hope not. I don't know. This is brilliant. These guys can figure it out. They're smart boys and girls.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:36Matt Farah?

  But, uh, hi, everybody. Podcast time. What's happening? It's, it's Monday. It's Monday. Um, uh, I hope everybody is doing alright. Had a nice weekend. Uh, drove, I was gonna drive my own car and then one of my customers was like, can you please take my car out? He's out of town for like a month. I'm like, car's gonna be fine. A lot of cars sit for more than a month. It's all good. He's like, please. So I took out his GT3, sent him pictures of it, like it was like I was babysitting his dog, you know, proof of life.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  You know, proof of can, proof of canyon, proof of, proof of beach. Um, but it was a, you know, it's a dot two, dot two GT3 with a stick. And so, uh, it's, I, uh, I haven't driven a dot two in the homeland yet. I drove it in, in Spain where the roads are fucking perfect, really good. Drove this one in, uh, in Malibu and I drove it up some pretty bumpy roads. God, it's so much better than the first one on the bumpy roads.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  They took that ST.

• 7:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Programming, right? They did a little command C, command V.

• 7:48Matt Farah?

  And it just tracks straighter. It handles bumps better. What a fucking delight. And the bucket seat, the folding bucket seats now.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 7:56Matt Farah?

  They have new seats. They're really good. Um, just a fucking great thing. And actually, the eight, uh, the ADAS, the full ADAS did not come on, on the restart. So I think they have, uh, given the North American market potentially a little under the table, uh, fucking handy there.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 8:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. They have done a little reach around and just tickled the balls just for us.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  It's got a trunk full of preservatives that they're not allowed to have and turn the ADAS off, yeah.

• 8:30Matt Farah?

  And so, yeah, you don't, I think it does have limited ADAS, but the lane keep assist does not seem to turn on by default, which I am fucking 100% down with.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Cool.

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  Plan, uh, get 25% off your subscription or try the app for free for seven days at fitbod.me/tire. That's F I T B O D dot M E slash tire. Fitbod.me slash tire. And now, back to the show. Um, this is called a SP40 Resto mod. And the reason it's like awkwardly named Resto mod is because these guys are Argentinian, English as a second language. Um, so these guys are, the company behind this thing have been sort of like another Persang, like a competitor, building, you know, pre-war type replicas. And they were had, they had been

• 13:28Matt Farah?

  building a replica of the Edsel Ford Special Roadster, I think it's called. It, it looks like, so Edsel Ford, son of Henry Ford, went to Europe, uh, and saw some, uh, some Grand Prix cars, basically, and was like, yo, that's the shit. And came back to America. And that's the only picture we got. It's called, yeah, the Model 40 Special Speedster. Um, so he's, he asked the Ford special people to build him this really dope, uh, European looking, uh, Speedster thing. It's pretty sick.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very cool. It looks like combo of like a 32 four with like a, like a Morgan seating position, though. You're sitting almost on the rear axle. Super long nose. And then these cool lower lights. Uh, let's go back to your picture.

• 14:22Matt Farah?

  So, and then, and then the current one actually does look, you know, proportionally a lot like it. It's a little, uh, lower nose. It doesn't sit quite as tall, a little more aggressive. Um, but generally it's got that same Speedster shape with the radiator, uh, the, uh, the sort of rounded front radiator. Um, and it's almost an open wheel. Actually, the front wheels are open. You see the open control arms. They have covers, but it is an open wheel front car.

• 14:52Matt Farah?

  It's got a coyote motor in it.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 14:55Matt Farah?

  And a built five-speed gearbox, a Tremec five-speed. Has longer gears. They thought, you know, it weighs 2,600 pounds. So they said they built one with a six-speed. And they said that A, it was a lot of shifting and it was so much power that they did one with a five-speed and they're like, oh, actually, this is kind of better.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:17Matt Farah?

  Uh, just long torque. It's not a, you know, it's not a race car. It's a fucking cruiser, so.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  I've never driven the Cobra and thought, I need six gears, you know, I want more shifting, you know, to really stay in this torque band.

• 15:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, some cars you clearly do want five, you six gears. But in this car, they said it really wasn't very necessary. And the, the fact that the, the center tunnel is effectively the gearbox. I mean, it's just a housing around the gearbox. They said the, the physical case of the six-speed was much bigger. And with the five-speed, you actually have a lot more room for your right leg.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 15:50Matt Farah?

  Like legroom was, it was kind of an issue. Uh, so yeah, side hinge hood. The full body is carbon. Uh, it's a tube frame and, uh, it's got, the, the aesthetic of the interior is that like, that kind of vibe they had in like 2005 where it was an art deco, like, like that Cobra uh, concept with the V10 that we, that I drove around and curated.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:16Matt Farah?

  Remember that?

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:17Matt Farah?

  Like that kind of vibe, oh five four GT, uh, idea. But, um, and then these seats, it's pretty cool. There are these sort of high back buckets, you know, vintage looking, but they're hinged and actually the backs fold forward and you can put a bunch of luggage behind the seats in that trunk area.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 16:36Matt Farah?

  So it's actually sort of like, you know, there's no roof, but you can, you can tour a little bit in it.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  It looks pretty awesome, yeah. I heard they want you to drive it. Did you talk to, uh?

• 16:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think I'm gonna go drive it on Thursday. You wanna come?

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 16:51Matt Farah?

  We don't have to film it, but just like...

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Getting in and out of cars right now is not great.

• 16:56Matt Farah?

  Hmm, sorry.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  That doesn't look particularly... It's very cool, though. Maybe I will, I don't know.

• 17:02Matt Farah?

  It's, you know, it's worth coming along and fucking having a little...

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Take all the Tyrol in the morning.

• 17:07Matt Farah?

  2,600 pounds and 460 horsepower.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  I bet. I'm really curious to see how it feels steering-wise, because we've talked about the Morgan. You steer, the front end turns, you wait a second, and then you go with it. You know, it's very much like, it almost feels like you are doing your own, what is it called? Like, caterpillar racing, you know, demo dirt where they tie two cars together. It's a little bit like that. So this is, you're sitting all the way at the back.

• 17:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  And way out front, stuff's happening, so, yeah. But it looks very cool.

• 17:36Matt Farah?

  It looks cool. I fired it up. It sounds mean as hell.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  You know what? It's like a better-looking Dunk... Dunkerfort?

• 17:43Matt Farah?

  Dunkerfort.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Those are always, those have gotten a little extra in the design department. I mean, they're fast and capable, but they've gotten a little extra.

• 17:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they've got, they're fucking hard. Well, you know, the comments on the, uh, in my Instagram are pretty mixed. Marco's pretty fucking salty on it.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, the car looks like the answer to a question that I asked.

• 18:06Matt Farah?

  You know, he's in the middle of a remodel of a building right now. He's a little fucking salty. His comments appear across my feed, and he's, he hates everything right now. You're not gonna find anything on the internet that's making him happy this week. Sorry, Marco. Fucking, you're, you're, the edge in your comments, it's standing out to me right now. But people, you know, it's expensive, because of course it is. They say it's $500,000. Yeah, no, like, I don't have that kind of money to blow in a car, and if I did, I probably wouldn't buy this, but that doesn't mean it isn't cool as fuck.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  It's very cool. That does, I'd have to look at it in person because the specs are like, carbon body with pretty simple panels, I'll say. I mean, the louvers might be a pain in the ass, but like, it's a, the design is, you know, it's a curve, like, simple radius and then flat, simple radius then flat, and you've got like, a coyote motor, so it's an off-the-shelf motor, it's a tube chassis. Five hundred grand seems a lot.

• 19:05Matt Farah?

  I agree.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  But...

• 19:06Matt Farah?

  No, you're telling me. I mean, I suspect it costs that much because that's what they think they can get for it. There's probably, you know, good margins in it. I mean, look, just sitting in it, and poking around it, it looked screwed together very nicely. I don't know how hard it is to make this thing. I said, is it a solid rear axle? And they go, oh no, and they showed me photos of a pretty complex rear suspension architecture that was fully, I mean, there's a chance that this thing drives really good, like, a chance. Like, I'm not, I don't, it probably won't be, you know, a McLaren, but there's

• 19:49Matt Farah?

  a chance this drives like, beautifully.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 19:52Matt Farah?

  You know? So, I'm not, I don't need to fucking say something is worth money if it's not, but like, there's a chance this is amazing. Like, I don't know.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would like to be optimistic, because it looks cool.

• 20:06Matt Farah?

  I was pretty stoked on it to just see it out and about, and it seemed to be put together nicely. The shifter feel was good, the steering feel, I mean, just moving it back and forth, sitting right there was nice. The sound was really cool, because it's side pipes, but they're very long and they're muffled, so it's not insanely loud, like, you know, some fucking meathead in their Cobra. It sounds about the volume of like... A viper, maybe a little, a little louder than, a little louder than a viper. But about, about that, you know, it's not like insane, insane.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 20:42Matt Farah?

  More like an original Cobra. An original Cobra, 427 Cobra is not a particularly loud car.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  That's true, yeah.

• 20:49Matt Farah?

  Fucking, the replicas are all way louder than the original.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Well, ours was quiet and then all the, all the fiberglass packing blew, like literally flew out of the muffler and now it's like straight piped. Um, by accident. So I get it.

• 21:00Matt Farah?

  So this isn't that loud. This is, this is bearable, but I don't know. I mean, look, if, if, if the mainstream OEMs are, are going to become hybridized and, you know, if Ferrari's gonna fucking drop this, an electric egg. Somebody needs to fill in the gap of interesting cars. And so it's gonna be weirdos like the Chimeras and the fucking these and whatever else, you know, it's gonna get weird.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Thomas Holland of Throttle House had a conspiracy theory he wrote about that went, got pretty popular. He thinks the Luce is Ferrari intentionally taking a dive.

• 21:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I read this theory. I read this theory.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  I thought it was a very fun theory. I don't know if it's true or not. They're just, for you who didn't read it, he's basically saying Ferrari goes, what if we build it so, what if we build an EV that's so undesirable, the whole market moves away from EVs and then they can say, see, no one wants these, we have to go back to building cool cars.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  It's pretty, uh, a bold play, huh?

• 21:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, this is the plot of Major League. If the team does bad enough, I get to move them to Miami. That's what this is. It's, he thinks the conspiracy is an intentional tank.

• 22:09Matt Farah?

  Which would be like amazing, except that no publicly traded company would ever allow, if, if like literally, can't believe I'm saying this, Elon Musk would do that. That is an Elon Musk move. You need to control everything to be able to do an intentional dive like that. A publicly traded company is, would never risk an intentional dive.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Probably true, because you have, because the board can't afford to invest this much money and show this kind of loss, unless. Second conspiracy, for real. Unless they want to move the company back to private or half-private.

• 22:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, so they're tanking the stock to buy it on a cheap.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Which is a thing that people do.

• 22:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, financial crime is legal now.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  I don't even know if that's a crime. It's just like, that does happen where the public thing tanks and then someone buys it back later. Or like the value of Barstool, I don't like them because of their business operation, but like, they, you know, Dave sold it at 400 million. And then whoever took it ran into the ground and I think he bought it back for like a dollar, some ridiculous number. So, double tank.

• 23:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 23:21Matt Farah?

  It's a fun conspiracy to think about and I brought, I mentioned it because I had breakfast on Sunday with Maz.

• 23:30Matt Farah?

  And he was like, dude, that would work if you were us. And Maz, when he says us is Singer. And this was not a confidential conversation. He's like, basically, you know, we were like, we were talking about scale. And we were like, look, to go from a company that builds 20 cars or 40 cars a year, like Koenigsegg or Pagani, to one that now builds like 200 cars a year, quote, excuse me, restores 200 cars a year, like Singer Vehicle Design. He goes, you basically take the same systems you have and just like multiply them. A bigger shop, more technicians, you know, maybe some better machinery. Maybe you bring things that were outsourced in-house, like your paint or whatever, right?

• 24:16Matt Farah?

  And then, uh, maybe your carbon fiber becomes in-house. He's like, but to go from a couple hundred cars a year to like what Ferrari's talking about, he's like with, you know, to do a couple thousand cars a year. He's like, now you're building a factory and not one where humans are assembling the cars. You're building a factory where robots are assembling cars. He's like, and that, he's like, that type of investment, you couldn't, you couldn't do that to do an intentional tank.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 24:48Matt Farah?

  You know, he's like, if they were, if they tried to build a, he goes, if they tried to build, like for instance, he said, if the Pinin, remember the Pininfarina Batista, which is the Italian-bodied version of the Nivera? The Rimac.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:02Matt Farah?

  Rimac.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 25:04Matt Farah?

  There was the Italian one also. They made like three. If Ferrari said, "This is the electric Ferrari." And they had some minimal investment.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  They made the body, but it was dropped on the skateboard from somebody else.

• 25:17Matt Farah?

  Correct. And then nobody wanted it. It was a total flop. Then you could go to the board and go, "See, even our most hardcore customers are not buying this." What makes you think anybody... So that's how you would engineer a tank.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they are building it at a new e-build... It's called E-Building Factory in Maranello. So they've made the building, or they're making it next door to their other factory. And like, it's gonna be very serious.

• 25:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. No, so it'll be a... It might be a tank that they see coming from a mile away. But that's different from a fucking intentional tank.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Because I got an Instagram DM. A fan's friend works at a... For an exclusive dealership.

• 25:58Matt Farah?

  Hearsay, your honor, but okay.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  It's hearsay. That's true. This is all alleged. But their friend alleges that they've had a couple of Luches sitting like in the back so they could show, you know, fancy customers early. And they have zero orders for them.

• 26:12Matt Farah?

  You know, shit!

• 26:13Speaker 01

  And they're also allegedly not attached to any sort of allocation, yet at least. There's though... When this came out, we were like, "Maybe it's so you can get the SF100."

• 26:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Doesn't seem like there is an SF100, at least known by this person yet. So, you know?

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 26:30Matt Farah?

  It's gonna go well.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  It's an interesting choice.

• 26:34Matt Farah?

  It's gonna go well.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Anyway, we can move on, but...

• 26:37Matt Farah?

  It's... I...

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Post your conspiracy theories in the comments.

• 26:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, the conspiracy theory is fun.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  It is the kindest theory, I think. It's like, "Hey, what if they're doing... What if..." Ferrari hasn't lost its way.

• 26:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  They're on top of it. That's what this is.

• 26:50Matt Farah?

  No, I mean, I think the truth is so much simpler, which is that six years ago, this was a really good idea. Six years ago, everyone needed a super SUV, a super EV. Like, let's go back there. It's fucking, it's 2020. Everyone, when is your super EV coming out? I mean, that was, that was it. It just took them this long to do it. And like.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  And it's a ship that's hard to turn. I mean, all of a sudden, the incentives go away. The US market goes away and they're like, well, the tanker is on, is already headed there.

• 27:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Lamborghini cut fucking bait. Lamborghini's donezo. Porsche, Porsche just lost 95% of their profits this year. By cutting and running from, from this, from this shift. Ferrari said, no, no, we proceed and, and here we are. It's, there doesn't need to be a conspiracy. They just didn't cut bait when other people did.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Well, they might have just been too far. I mean, you know, uh, Porsche is so far along. I mean, they, they, they cut the, they cut bait kind of at the last second and you go, maybe you should just put it on sale, but is it? And they know the numbers. I don't know the numbers. It's, it's obviously cheaper for them to just stop.

• 28:06Matt Farah?

  I hope they still put it on sale.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  But, you know, Ferrari's like, let's just go for it.

• 28:11Matt Farah?

  Tough, tough, man. But if that's, you know, I don't think that will be the permanent direction of Ferrari, but let's, let's say it is. We need weird shit like this. Resto mod carbon fiber thing. Cause you know, we need something analog to be driving, don't we? Oh, speaking of which, did you see, uh, my old pal Jason Castriota's new thing?

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• 32:43Matt Farah?

  www.joindelete.me/tire, code tire. This one is interesting, and he has 917'd a Carrera GT. So, that's, that's, I mean, that's kind of what you see here, right? A little bit? I mean, more than a little bit.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  I mean, as soon as I looked at it, I was like, "Oh, it's 917-inspired." And then, you look closer and proportions are different. It's much, like, rounder. You know, the 917 is real flat.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  From the, from the front.

• 33:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, also, the 917 wasn't designed to like, you know, fit people, or, or for you to survive a crash.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Or to prevent your legs from dying.

• 33:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, like, this is probably, you know, it's a, it's a resto mod 917 on a Carrera GT. And so, it's, it's, I mean, look, it's fucking cool. It doesn't have the... The, quite the sexiness of the 917 because it couldn't. Because a 917 is such a dizz- thing that's not meant to hold humans.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Well, but also when you look at it, your brain knows everything it's done and connects all that to it. Like this is a brand new, for me at least, the 917 comes with a cachet. You know, it's like-

• 34:00Matt Farah?

  Sure, but I think even if it didn't, it's so fucking pretty.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  I think it is better looking than this, but I think this is pretty cool looking. This looks like it's from 2040.

• 34:09Matt Farah?

  It actually, it has, I mean, you know, I see some SSC Tuatara in there as well. The low, the bottom eight inches of the car that are closest to the ground are, are SSC Tuatara for me. Uh, and then the, the midsection and up is very much 917.

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  It's damn cool.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Very cool. I bet it's real fat.

• 34:33Matt Farah?

  That's a hundred percent 917.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  The overhead high rear view.

• 34:38Matt Farah?

  The video game view is, is a hundred percent fucking 917.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Very much so. Wow, that's really cool. It's, I mean, it's crazy. So does it ask, you know, do you need to be a nice, uh, sorry, Carrera GT owner? Donate your car, then they turn it into this thing.

• 34:55Matt Farah?

  So, what's funny is I'm not sure if this is a business. Uh, there's, there's this one, which may have just been done for a client. But I'm not, I'm not sure this is a business model, but I would like to, uh, what does it say? Coach built, does it say?

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  It doesn't necessarily say that there will be more. It's a special project.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  Special commission. Oh, cool. All right. So either he wanted to do it or a client wanted to do it and they did it. Yeah, it's like, it's like the P45. Okay. Awesome.

• 35:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So there's, if you look at the sort of front, the front overhead view, there's a lot of P45. Although the cockpit is substantially further back in the cabin than P45. P45, you'd sit really far forward.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. The nose looks very long from this view.

• 35:48Matt Farah?

  I think that's because the only way a 917 works is by having your feet all the way forward in the in the nose and in a Carrera GT, your feet are in like a normal place and the nose is much shorter, tighter back. So like, there's a lot of length in front of the front wheels. Whereas in a 917, there really isn't.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:14Matt Farah?

  It's fucking cool, though. I do, it's very interesting and cool. But I don't think this above front three quarters is best angle. The above, the three quarter rears are the best. And I do like what they did with the seats here. This blue suede seat with a tartan center.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  Is pretty fucking bitchin'.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Really awesome.

• 36:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, that's a winner.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's cool. I, I think, I applaud someone who has a Carrera GT and was like, and maybe Jason pitched him and they're like, yeah, let's do it. You know, someone who's just like, let's modify something that is appreciating aggressively in value. A very celebrated car, but they want to make it their own. And I'm sure a lot of people will scream sacrilege, but whatever. Like, talk about, you know, mod it if you got it.

• 36:59Matt Farah?

  Dude, everybody's got Carrera GTs now. I mean, you gotta like be different.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  There are neighborhoods where that's probably true.

• 37:05Matt Farah?

  Bullshit. Like, fucking everybody. Well, that's kind of the thing with that, you know, that, that RML car we talked about last week, the orange 992 dot one. It's like, you know, I wanna, I admit that these cars just drive the best, but everybody, quote, everybody's got one and I just want mine to fucking go a little faster and look different. Here we go.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  True.

• 37:30Matt Farah?

  You know, is it better? Eh, it's different. So I don't really care. It's just different.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  I mean, that's what car culture is. It's like, right? For a lot of people, turn it, make it yours.

• 37:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Can you hold on one second while I take time off?

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. You fucked up right now? Damn. Was there one incident that did it?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was picking up the dog leash aggressively.

• 37:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, something suckin', fuckin', such bullshit, too. It's never like.

• 37:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, I was, uh, you know, I had just finished squatting 350 and I thought maybe I could go up to 400. It's like, I bent over slightly sideways instead of straight forward and now I'm in the hospital.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much.

• 38:13Matt Farah?

  Um, uh, while you're doing that, uh, quick correction from last week. I, so here's the thing.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Pronounced Ferrari, that's the correction, right?

• 38:22Matt Farah?

  With the fucking Indy 500, when the race was over, I saw the margin of victory was .02 seconds. I saw that on the screen.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  But you said two thousandths, which is not.

• 38:34Matt Farah?

  But then I walked away, literally towards the bus, and multiple announcers, I swear to God, said, "Two thousandths, two thousandths," multiple announcers on the radio that day. And I went, "Oh, I, I, that's funny, I guess I read that wrong. I read that as two hundredths and it was two thousandths." I then never read it again or thought about it again and just repeated what I fucking heard on the radio. I can do basic math. I know that .02 is hundredths, not thousands. I swear to God, I was parroting what I heard an announcer on the radio say that fucking day. I apologize. They, he won by two hundredths of a second, not two thousandths of a second.

• 39:18Matt Farah?

  But I do know how to read math on a page, I swear to God.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  How many comments did you get?

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  I got a couple. Some were nicer and some were very fucking angry about it and, uh, you know, sorry, but like, I, uh, I, uh, just heard they, I heard someone saying, "Thousands, thousands," and so, I guess, thought I got it wrong the first time, but I actually got it wrong by listening to someone else. That happens to me a lot. I get something right and then for some reason put some shit in my head, second guess it, and I was like, just right the first time.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 39:51Matt Farah?

  Fucking bullshit.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Speaking of parroting, uh, well, cause I, I do the same thing. I had read it as two hundreds and then you said it as thousands and I was like, huh, maybe I was wrong.

• 40:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that happened, that happened. That's the same exact shit that happened to me, but at the fucking race by professional sportscasters.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  We'll talk about, uh,

• 40:10Matt Farah?

  You want to talk about?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Well, parroting and not verifying.

• 40:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  I did this with the tire thing and you came in and corrected me.

• 40:14Matt Farah?

  Everybody did.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  About, about a hundred people sent me this Instagram reel from a content creator I had never heard of before. That doesn't mean they, they had, don't have an audience or something. Do you, what is the guy's name? The clip? The, the, the, did you pull up the clip?

• 40:32Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Let me hear. I have, I have it. Uh, the, this, this clip, like, like a hundred people sent me this, this morning and yesterday. It's tire reviews on Instagram. Okay. Tire with a Y, with a Y. Uh, so, and it's the catchy headline, California to ban tires, which is...

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Great headline.

• 41:00Matt Farah?

  So, uh, so, okay. And, and it's this reel where this guy is talking about a California proposed legislation that would, that, that could, according to the Instagram reel, ban your favorite tire. And so, when I, when you see something like that, it is very important to just go read the fucking source material, especially because even though it is a, uh, a, a, a big like ballot proposal type thing. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a pseudo sci- I don't mean pseudo, it's a scientific-ish paper.

• 41:43Matt Farah?

  They have the executive summary right up front. It's a, it's effectively a, a two-page, uh, sta- uh, a document that, that just summarizes what all the shit in the rest of it says. And so, a, a whole bunch of people up to and including Joe Rogan. You see this shit?

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Him not fact-checked? No way.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  I think you'd be proud of my response.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Oh, he texted you?

• 42:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  And I had to tell him to go read the fucking source material and calm down. Please read the source material and calm down. Uh, because basically, almost anything that people were really concerned about, this, this bill is not really going to affect so much. So effectively, the, the bill is designed to help curb, uh, the emissions that come from, uh, tires, right? The, the tire, the particles in the air and, and CO2 and things that are, that, that are bad for the air, uh, because of tires. And they're effectively saying, uh, they're trying to create a standard for rolling resistance,

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  um, so that if a car comes with, uh, you know, a certain type of tire, uh, that, that is designed to deliver a certain type of efficiency, they don't want people putting tires on their car that are way, way less efficient than that, or release more particles into the air, or, or things like that. And, and so if you, if that's all you know about it, and you don't do anything else, you go, "Oh, my God, they're gonna ban the fucking Pilot Sport," or something, and freak out. Um, but, uh, what have you just highlighted there?

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Oh, that was just, you covered it, but...

• 43:37Matt Farah?

  Okay, yeah, so, you know, rolling resistance has to do with fuel efficiency. It also has to do with, um, with, with emissions. It also has to do with the particles that come off of the tire, uh, themselves. So, the staff report proposes five new regulations to, number one, set reporting requirements for rolling resistance from tire manufacturers. Right now, there isn't a consistent standard for reporting rolling resistance. That's fair. That seems okay, right? Uh, number two, develop and maintain a database of information for replacement tires and limited production tires sold in California. Also seems pretty fair. Database of tires that you're selling in the state, okay.

• 44:18Matt Farah?

  Number three, set minimum performance standards for the energy efficiency rolling resistance of replacement tires. Okay, doesn't say what those standards are in the summary, but setting a minimum performance standard, okay.

• 44:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, number four, set a minimum performance standard for wet grip for replacement tires to ensure safety. Fair. One of the ways that tires can have better rolling resistance is by having shallower grooves. Um, and so a lot of OE tires that are designed for like EVs and stuff, and they can have shallower grooves than some other tires, right? So, okay, minimum performance standard for the wet to ensure you're not selling cars with like slicks on them. Probably fair. And number five is a rating system for tire energy efficiency that will enable consumers to make more informed purchasing decisions.

• 45:12Matt Farah?

  Uh, I mean, so the only one of those that might alarm anybody would be number three. Okay. Which is minimum performance standards for rolling resistance, energy efficiency, because you immediately start thinking off-road tires, winter tires, high-performance tires.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  I mean, for us, it's specifically high-performance tires.

• 45:35Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  And I think number four could have draw concern as well, but we can address three first.

• 45:39Matt Farah?

  Well, minimum performance standard for the wet. Oh, you mean it could inadvertently affect a cup two because it won't perform as well in the wet?

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Sure. A car, a tire that's designed for track in, you know, certain temperatures and is not meant to perform well in the wet.

• 45:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Like, I mean, tires of my car, your car, a lot of them, you know, hopefully those don't get caught up in this as well.

• 46:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Now, it also does say, you know, that it also has to be, these are replacement tires only. So if a car is sold, let's say with a cup two, you could, they'd have to keep, even if they banned, you know, like, you'd have to keep offering that.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  But that would affect, I mean, pretty much every tire manufacturer would be affected.

• 46:23Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  You know, Advan, uh...

• 46:26Matt Farah?

  Any, yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Falken, like a bunch of the car, a bunch of tire companies that primarily sell to the aftermarket.

• 46:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Would be heavily affected.

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  There would be an easy way around this, which would be to quote, "offer it as a, as a factory equip." All of a sudden, you might see car makers offering four or five different tires as potential factory equipment. So that's, there's a way around, there's always a creative solution.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 46:48Matt Farah?

  But, so those are the five things, okay? So, number three, potentially bad, and number four, the wet performance is potentially collateral damage of number three.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:58Matt Farah?

  Right? So that's like, that's the, the big freak out. But if you just, that's this page one of the executive summary. If you go to page two, uh, there's a whole section there that says, "The following tires are excluded from the proposed regulations," and that list is even longer than the fucking regu- proposed regulations. So, specialty tires, including certain off-road tires, low-speed tires, deep tread tires, winter tires, space saver tires, and temporary use tires. Uh, tires with a, a rim diameter of 12 inches or less, such as like go-kart tires and, uh, lawnmower tires, tractor tires, things like that. Motorcycle tires. Uh, tires manufactured specifically for, uh, off-road

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  motorized recreational vehicles. Uh, tires used on emergency vehicles. Uh, tires for heavy duty with a high load index, 122 or higher, or limited production tires, uh, produced in quantities fewer than 15,000 units during any calendar year, uh, etc. So, I see, and again, this is not, this is proposed, but this is not, I, I see that that exemptions leaves open a lot of the things that people might be worried about. The only thing it doesn't say, specifically call out by name, is ultra-high-performance.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:21Matt Farah?

  Tires.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Which I think is probably why we got sent it. I mean, cause off-road tire, like, it does not at all mention, you know, in any way, car, uh, tires meant for track performance, sports car tires, uh...

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  Well, it does say specialty. Temporary.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Right, so I think.

• 48:38Matt Farah?

  It does say temporary use tires, which you could argue fucking slicks are.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  You could argue slicks are, but in the middle, there's, you know, PS4S, whatever, REO88s, like, all those things. I'm trying to figure out where those would land in here. And then, if tire companies had to start labeling those as temporary use or off-road only, could you then be pulled over? Or if you were pulled over for something else, the cop goes, "Oh, you're running these, you know, 88s. Those are meant to be off-road use only," blah, blah, blah.

• 49:08Matt Farah?

  And also, if you look at the very bottom, "In addition, the proposed standard is offered exception for a tire if there's no other compliant tires available for a given model operated in the States." So if you have, let's say, a 1994 NA Miata with, like, 15s on it,

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:23Matt Farah?

  and your choice is currently some shitty eco tires or, like, Hoosiers, you know what I mean? Like, you might still be able to get your Hoosiers.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 49:33Matt Farah?

  You know, if there's no other options. Like, I just had to get new tires, put on the Pau. My wife's 57-horsepower Pau.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was either race tires or...

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  Or that's it.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  It was it?

• 49:44Matt Farah?

  There's it. I got the super stickyest fucking R-Cop Pau. This thing pulls, like, two and a half Gs right now.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  It's awesome. It's gonna tip over. Now, above this, it does say, this might give some people a little bit of rest, "Under Public Resources Code Section 25773A, these regulations must be technically feasible and cost-effective, not adversely affect tire safety." So, stuff like that is an argument that could be made, you know, if they're going, "Hey, you gotta put really efficient tires on your 911."

• 50:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  And Porsche argues, like, "Well, this car's designed to..."

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  "The safety systems are designed for a certain grip level of tire, blah, blah, blah, blah." I don't know, I mean, there's a lot of...

• 50:23Matt Farah?

  No, and these are, this is only for replacement tires. So any tire that is, you have to be able to get the tire that your car comes with at the very least. So if your car comes in the factory with PS5Ss, PSS5s, and you need new tires, you have to be able to get those tires.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but again, that rule, which is like, alright, that's good in some ways, it does restrict your options as a customer, and that's not good.

• 50:53Matt Farah?

  Sure, it does, potentially, unless they figure out how to make those tires, kind of like, and also, it doesn't necessarily say what the standards are that they need to meet for rolling resistance, and it doesn't say that, that sports tires don't meet them.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  So like, we actually don't know whether or not to panic yet.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  That is very true. It's a, yeah, that's very true.

• 51:19Matt Farah?

  There's like, I got sent this in a panic, it's presented in a way that you're supposed to panic, but it, we're so far from that right now.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Well, and also, the timeline is developing requirements for tire manufacturers, they want that to go into effect in two years, and then the energy performance standards, phase one is 2028, phase two is 2031. So, you know, people should read up on it, think about it, and then ask for more information, but don't freak out.

• 51:55Matt Farah?

  And also, consider this. California smog controls fucking worked, like, they did. And like, cars didn't get worse. I mean, they did for like, a couple years, but then they pretty quickly got like, better globally, right? Like, if you challenge...

• 52:18Matt Farah?

  If you say, in ten years, your tire must meet this standard to be sold in the state. You're giving the engineers a challenge, and a bunch of them might meet it. And then they have a tire in ten years that has the grip of today's sports tires, but has a lower rolling resistance. And then they go to the Nürburgring, and they fucking take off two seconds because their tire has lower rolling resistance than it had before with the same grip.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be insane. It's either more efficient, but grippier.

• 52:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, that's how we got direct injection, that's how we got turbocharging. Like, that's how we got like, so much of the shit that makes cars faster now.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  True.

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  Is these challenges that are imposed by governments in order to have cleaner air. And like, listen, cars are great, but people are more important. And so, like, if this is not a perfect proposal, like, cool, there'll be like, public debate, and we could, I could write an article, we could write a thing, says like, hey, listen, we should probably carve out an exclusion for ultra-high-performance summer tires that are sold for road cars. Because if you have a GT3 RS or something, you could materially compromise its grip if they have to be sold with less grippy tires than they come with. Fine. But that's like, hey, can we just like, like, just tweak that, like, a little bit? Because like, of this and this and this?

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  That's not like, "Holy shit, we gotta shut the fucking sis-" Fucking California fucking socialist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, bro, like, this is like, some real incremental shit.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think it's good people pay attention to it, and then ask questions and have healthy debate about it. I mean, every industry should do more of that. I wonder if this is aimed at Chinese tire manufacturers. Like, and I don't know, I'd have to go on like TireRack has great data on stopping distance, they do great independent testing. But if people are putting on the cheapest tire in the world and all of a sudden their stopping distance goes up by two or three X.

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  Their fuel economy goes down.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Well, even, or it might go up because like if the tire is super hard, then the rolling resistance goes down, but your wet grip could turn to shit, your stopping distance could turn to shit. I mean, the fact that they pointed out like wet handling is a priority makes me wonder if they have had a lot of reports of, I don't know, cars sliding off of roads or something because they're running who knows what tire.

• 54:52Matt Farah?

  The Instagram clip, according to that guy, Tire Reviews guy, says that the lower rolling resistance tires tend to have shallower tread depth and therefore don't perform as well in the rain. And if you were aiming to make your tire, the tire you already had have better rolling resistance, you would just have shallower grooves in the same tire. And he said, so you have to establish a minimum standard for, yeah, it's okay, that makes sense. You wouldn't, you don't want fucking mom's minivan running around on slicks.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, 810s.

• 55:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's fucking dumb, yeah. But the one thing that gave me a little, hmm, a little question mark in that Instagram clip was, he said, in Europe, the average all-season tire is expected to last 27,000 miles and in America, people expect an average all-season tire to last 65,000 miles? Have you ever gotten 65,000 miles out of an all-season tire or really even heard of that happening?

• 56:02Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm the wrong, I haven't owned a car long enough, I haven't owned a car long enough or owned a car on the same set of tires long enough to have that data point.

• 56:12Matt Farah?

  I mean, we, I had, my Mach-E came with. Uh, uh, regular all season tires, Michelin, Primacy, whatever the fuck tires. And I took them off with like 29,000 miles on them and they were pretty close to worn. And it's not like we did anything in that car that would like, I just didn't run it at the track or anything like even when I drove it quote in the canyons, it was like not anything. But that maybe chime in, chime in in the comments. If you are genuinely expecting your all season tires on your everyday car to last 65,000 miles. But that to me seems like a pretty unreasonable expectation.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  That is a long time.

• 56:55Matt Farah?

  That's a, that's a long time. I, I've never had a set of tires last that kind of length ever. 65K? That's crazy.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  Let's see. Tire Rack says the most optimistic tire life expectancy is 70 to 80,000 miles.

• 57:14Matt Farah?

  That's, I mean dude, that's some rock hard garbage ass tires. If you're getting, I've never, I've never seen anything like that.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, maybe you had a really hard tire, maybe also perfect roads like.

• 57:26Matt Farah?

  Dude, perfect roads in like a 94 Corolla that weighs 2,300 pounds.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  It's Kansas.

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  You go straight to work and you go straight home.

• 57:37Matt Farah?

  What the fuck would I have to do to make, I'd have to drive on a treadmill to make a tire last that long. Never even go outside. That's crazy.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  That's a long time.

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm, yeah, I don't know. People let us know in the comments, how, what's the longest your tires have lasted? Genuinely, like on, on your normal car. You're just whatever, daily driver.

• 57:59Matt Farah?

  So anyway, don't, don't freak out about this tire thing. There's a lot of, there's still a lot of room to play in this game. The argument is much, much more nuanced than fucking California socialists are gonna ban the fucking tires and I mean, dude, you should see them. Fuck you, the comments on that post, fucking.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  I know. I mean, and also these days I feel like 70% of comments on Instagram are bots. Like you just click on the private, the profile's always like hidden, hidden, hidden two posts. And they're just, you know, yelling.

• 58:31Matt Farah?

  That Hungarian woman has huge titties.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  And, and big opinions on California tire laws.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  Really, really interested in what Donnie feels about this.

• 58:44Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, dude, uh, we're gonna go to questions right about now, but before we do, gotta give, I forgot to last episode, but an extra special shout out to Tom Segura. Bad Thoughts, season two, uh, Zach and I went to the premiere. I was dying.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 59:03Matt Farah?

  It was so funny, and I watched the next episode last night. It was amazing. The, this, this, I seriously think season two of Bad Thoughts rivals like some peak Chappelle Show sketches in the, in that kinda way. The Freaky Friday one.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  That was really.

• 59:22Matt Farah?

  And the one with the dancing were.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:26Matt Farah?

  Dude, I was actually crying.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  The Set It Off, or like, they, yeah, they, they really hit it out of the park. It's like, I feel like the torch gets passed from, you know, Chappelle to Key and Peele, and now Segura, like, just great comments on all parts of society, uh, cinema. I mean, it's really funny stuff.

• 59:45Matt Farah?

  It's a very good show, and we were, we were, Zach and I were sitting, uh, during the premiere, we sat right in front of Burt, and fucking, to, to have the soundtrack of Burt crying with laughter in your left ear while watching something that is very funny is a, it's a real heightened experience.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was pretty great. Like, I was laughing so hard, almost crying at some points, but then Burt was crying through the whole thing, yeah.

• 1:00:10Matt Farah?

  It was, Tom is a, a really good actor.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, he really is.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  I'm surprised at how good of an actor he is.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's got real range, the characters are pretty different, and I've seen the trailer for like, some of the upcoming stuff, and like, there's some big makeup changes that, that you can't just have the makeup or the bodysuit and not have like, a different voice or person.

• 1:00:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you have to like, act, act the makeup, which is, which is, I think, hard.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  That, that whole team, like, him and whoever writes with him, and the directors, like, they, they lock into the genre for that vignette or that sketch, and man, it's really good.

• 1:00:46Matt Farah?

  We also had the fucking. A really, uh, a really awkward five minutes with Kevin Nealon.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  We really did. I didn't know what to say. I was like, my brain was just like, whoa, whoa, wow.

• 1:01:00Matt Farah?

  So.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  I was absolutely starstruck and had zero good questions. You did a decent job.

• 1:01:06Matt Farah?

  No, I tried, but it's just had, I fucking had nothing for Kevin Nealon. It felt like such a loser.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  He paused. He like engaged with us and was listening. And then he was like, alright, see you later.

• 1:01:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he punched out and I understood.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:21Matt Farah?

  I had nothing for Kevin Nealon, dude. It was bad. Uh, let's go to the Patreon, of course. Patreon.com slash the smoke and tire podcast is where you get the live show. It's where you get the show early. It's where you ask questions. It's where you get the show without ads. It's where you get extra show. It's where you get access to exclusive collabs and things like that. We got prototype in hand for our latest one the other day. It is a fucking banger. Um, very excited about, about the new bit of exclusive schwag. And we should be able to, I don't, do we need to get an, we had a couple of tweaks. Are we going to get a second prototype before we launch? I didn't ask about that.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 1:02:05Matt Farah?

  I think we should.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  I hope, I think.

• 1:02:07Matt Farah?

  I think we should. I think the things that we, that we want to change, we could probably photograph around, but, but we'll, we'll see. But either way, we're gonna, it's gonna be real cool. Um, and we're not gonna sell it until it's right. So, um, listen and sometimes watch, uh, says, oh yeah, there's a, there's a road and track article about this guy in Wisconsin that's selling exclusively one type of car, uh, the oh four to oh six Lexus LS four thirty, which I think is pretty fucking cool, actually.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:02:41Matt Farah?

  Um, but this guy's also, I mean, he's refreshing them. He's going through them. He's restoring them. He's getting the parts. He's, I think, I mean, it's actually sounds really neat. This guy's will sell you like a, a new, you know, one of those. So the question is if you opened a one make, one model car dealership, what would it be?

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  One make, one model. This isn't really grounded in reality, but Ferrari 550 Maranello.

• 1:03:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  I could probably just look at those for a long time.

• 1:03:17Matt Farah?

  I mean, here's the thing, I'm not sure I could do better than this dude in Wisconsin. I mean, if you were doing that, you would have to do it because you genuinely thought the car you were selling was the best car in the world. That would be the best way to do that.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  And you love it, and other people love it.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  It's a very surprising choice. I hadn't read that article yet, so if someone who's just like, "This is all I'm doing", you're like, "All right, let's click over."

• 1:03:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  Boom, commuter sedan. Great commuter sedan. But...

• 1:03:49Matt Farah?

  I would say 992 GT3s. Sell all 992 GT3s.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  You can do Fox bodies, you can do that.

• 1:03:57Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Focus on that.

• 1:03:59Matt Farah?

  I could be the Fox...

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  I'd want to...

• 1:04:00Matt Farah?

  You don't want to sell Fox bodies, you know why? Fox body customers. You know, you don't, you don't... Because half the people are people kind of like me, and then the other half are not people you want to be selling cars to.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Right, socks inside Birkenstocks.

• 1:04:15Matt Farah?

  The whole thing.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay.

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  Jeep Chem Trailhawk says, "What was the first single-clutch automated manual car you drove that made you think, 'Okay, they've got this figured out now'?" Single clutch? Zinger. Like this one.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:04:33Matt Farah?

  Like...

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Because everything previous was, it's too slow. So, I think even in the early 2000s when I was a valet, I was excited because it was new and different, but I didn't like the pausing. I remember going, "I think I shift this fast." So, is this... It's cool, but it's not great.

• 1:04:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Matt Farah?

  I will say that like, late Ferrari 430s are acceptable. And like, late... Like Lambo LP560s, like late ones, the very end. Those are like, yeah, it's okay. It's not what you want, but like, it's okay. But like, even, but even.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Even though, I remember doing the Gotham, whatever it was called, when I was doing like autocross instruction in the 430 and like, you shift, you go, pull the paddle, and you're like, alright, this is, I'm driving a Ferrari. I was so excited by that, that I probably, you know, kind of ignored the fact that it was a pretty slow shifting car, but it wasn't great. Dual clutch was the way, is the way.

• 1:05:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I find that many apologists for those really just haven't spent time in anything better.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Should have any DCT.

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Any.

• 1:05:43Matt Farah?

  A fucking GTI.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:05:45Matt Farah?

  You know, a Mark 7 GTI with a DCT. Uh, my leaky valve gasket says, is a two-door Bronco a good idea for a city daily in Chicago?

• 1:05:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't see why. The only reason I could say potentially not is, when we drove the two-door Bronco, it, it didn't ride so great on like washboard roads. Now, Chicago isn't washboard roads, it's just bad tarmac. And when I drove it around Los Angeles, which is also bad tarmac, I didn't have that many complaints about it. It was really just that washboard, right?

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, but wash, you mean like washboard dirt?

• 1:06:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, when we went.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that stuff's terrible for anything. I mean, unless you're in a UTV with soft springs. So, I think that's a great car for Chicago.

• 1:06:30Matt Farah?

  I do too.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  Good in winter, looks cool, easy to park.

• 1:06:34Matt Farah?

  You know, hardtop.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Just be, I think the door, I think the rear gate like swings out. So if you park close to another tall vehicle, it may be hard to open your trunk.

• 1:06:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I forgot about that. That's.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  It's the single hinge G-Wagon style, which, small problem, very specific problem.

• 1:06:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Um, but it just depends. Like if you're parking in those New York City distances, where everyone's hitting each other to get in, you're not opening that, that tailgate.

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  Right. Yeah. But in general, that makes a good city daily. Yeah. Murray Long, last name. I'm gonna go to Warped Tour to see Real Big Fish next month. Fuck yeah, dude. Straight up. I don't know if I've told this story before, but I'm sure I have. Hannah's cousin is a party planner to the stars. And she, when Hannah and I were gonna get married, I was like, "Hey, Shira, can you get me that, like, list of like what, you know, bands you've heard of charged to play your wedding?" And she got me the list. And so I looked at it, and if you want Real Big Fish to play your wedding, $35,000 will do it. Which is like, which is like, look,

• 1:07:44Matt Farah?

  that's a lot of money. But it was enough where I went, huh. And I was like, "We're not having a ska band play our wedding. What are you doing?" And I was like, "Okay."

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Well, that's the depreciation, right? Like, you know, 25 years ago, they would've cost, I don't know, 500 grand to play your wedding.

• 1:08:02Matt Farah?

  There was other bands where it was like, "Really?" You know, like, you get like Soul Asylum or something for like 40. And we thought about it for a minute, and we were like, because, because by the way, like, all wedding band, if you get a, if you get a real band, it's 15. It's not like it's five. So like, fucking, we were like, "Well, in for a penny, in for a pound," you know what I mean? But then we were like, "We don't want our wedding to turn into a concert," which is what would happen. But there were a couple of bands where it was like, like, great, like, where it was like, you know, 10, like, where I, like, Save Ferris, who I saw, remember Save Ferris?

• 1:08:43Matt Farah?

  That was another ska band that I saw open for Real Big Fish back in the day. And they were like, 10 or something. I was like, "I fucking, that's, I'll go to your gig for that."

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 1:08:53Matt Farah?

  Funny. What's a band you haven't seen in years you'd like to see again?

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  Years like, No Effects? I'd love to see them. I know they play that Vegas like punk show thing all the time. I think that'd be fun.

• 1:09:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, there was a band that Larry and I, Larry Casilla and I loved in high school called Fuel. Which, I think the ba- that band still exists, but I think it's just the singer with a whole bunch of new people. But their first album was kick ass, actually. They, and they were a great live band. The other, oh, what was the other band that was so good live, that I saw in college?

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  Creed.

• 1:09:34Matt Farah?

  They, I saw them once, as part of some fucking festival. They were alright, actually.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  They're pretty good musically, yeah.

• 1:09:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Mark Tremonti is an incredible guitarist. Um, oh, uh, uh, Story of the Year.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I remember them.

• 1:09:47Matt Farah?

  Do you remember them?

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:48Matt Farah?

  They put on a crazy show. They would do backflips off the fucking amps and all kinds of wild stuff. Yeah, they were amazing, yeah. Duffle Shuffle Retirement Club. For brands like Notice and Seiko, does the quality remain consistent across the entire price line?

• 1:10:09Matt Farah?

  I'd like, um...

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  Quality? In terms of like a standard of QC and assembly? Yes. But like, if the Canyon compared to other Notices, like we use a Swiss Movement, other... They have other watches that are cheaper that use Citizen Movements, or, or Seiko Movements, or whatever, that are cheaper, and like... Does that really matter? Cause it still fucking takes time? Like, not to some people and yes to others. So, I think their standard of quality control is consistent. But, the standard of materials, and the standard of machinery is not, and is variable depending on price.

• 1:10:54Matt Farah?

  The Canyon's more expensive, not because our name is on it, because it's actually better. Like, I had to convince Notice to make their first thousand dollar plus watch, but it's worth it. So, um... I think the case material and the bracelet and stuff, you would, that's the same for their lower quality watches, for the most part, though.

• 1:11:18Matt Farah?

  Lamborghini panel wagon would swapping a beam axle rear to an independent rear suspension on an economy car make a meaningful difference in ride quality and handling? I've considering doing the GLI's independent rear suspension onto my Mark 6 Jetta diesel. It's mostly a bolt in swap, but I feel like it would not be worth it on a daily driver. I agree with you.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  I agree with that.

• 1:11:46Matt Farah?

  Not worth it.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:48Matt Farah?

  Would it make the car better? Like, yeah, but it would cost, it would be like a $5,000 job that would immediately net $1,000 in difference.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and when I started reading this question, I thought it was like, oh, someone's got a sporty VW and they want to make it a little better, but this is your daily, it's a commuter, it's a diesel, whatever. I think the improvement would be so marginal, but the work would be significant.

• 1:12:12Matt Farah?

  I think you'd have a better result by having all your shocks rebuilt and all your bushings replaced.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Matt Farah?

  And you'd, and you'd, and the car would feel so new.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Or improve, like you could get upgraded shocks that, you know, have a little bit better damping, you could smooth things out in that way, that would be, that'd be worth it.

• 1:12:29Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. Uh, I just, she, wait, she likes a choke to get started. It's a great name, but put some fucking spaces in it maybe, or use, let me, maybe use the capital letters to help me read it better. Uh, just swapped Pirelli Scorpions for Michelin PS4s on my Macan Turbo. Modest if any improvement. Have you done a car mod that didn't deliver any improvements? Sure. Um, I mean, like, I put like an intake on a car that didn't do anything, you know, there's, there is stuff that only does things in your head.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I put an intake on my Jetta and I liked the way it sounded. No performance. My seats didn't change the performance of the seat at all. In fact, it actually made the seat, like, I sit higher in my car, but they look good.

• 1:13:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, you could say on my Spyder, I made it worse by putting, uh, PS4s's on it rather than the Dunlop R Compounds. It objectively does not handle as well now.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Well, that's what the Californians talk about, is the replacement tires doesn't handle as well.

• 1:13:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but if I get caught, yeah, if I could only put the OEM tires, it would handle better, but if I get caught in the rain now, I'm better.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:44Matt Farah?

  Look like a phantom till a phantom pull up, says. I want to relive my high school and college front-wheel-drive fun days with some cheap fun. Maybe a Golf, maybe a Prelude SH, or an SVT Focus, something I can throw some period wheels and stereo in and have fun. Other suggestions for front-wheel-drive cars from 2000 to 04. No Civics, I've already been there.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  25 grand.

• 1:14:12Matt Farah?

  Dude, a Mark IV GTI. The Mark IV GTI is actually like a pretty well-made thing.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love these things.

• 1:14:23Matt Farah?

  Looks good, looks great with the right set of wheels. You know, they make a decent sound. So 1.8T, not very fast, but if you care, you can do the turbo upgrade and make them a little quicker. But...

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Great-looking car.

• 1:14:40Matt Farah?

  Great-looking car.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:41Matt Farah?

  And on the inside, actually pretty comfortable, insulated, a nice, ergonomically correct place to spend your time.

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. The seats look good, the cloth is nice.

• 1:14:55Matt Farah?

  I used to commute back and forth, when I had a buddy in college that had one of these new, and we would go back and forth, we would alternate who would drive when we would go back and forth to New York City from Philly, and we would take his GTI sometimes. Lovely.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:12Matt Farah?

  Such a nice car.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  I mean, Prelude SH, cool-looking car. I've seen a lot of those at Radwood lately, I think they've gotten popular, they're just a good-looking coupe.

• 1:15:19Matt Farah?

  Tough to find a good one.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Matt Farah?

  Almost all of them are just total shit piles, but if you can find a good one, then they are cool.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  I think SVT Focuses are probably really fun to drive. I don't know if they're more fun than a Golf, and I'd rather spend time in the GTI.

• 1:15:35Matt Farah?

  I agree. SVT Focuses, I've driven them before, and they are decent, but they just don't do, they just don't do anything for me. What else, is there anything we're missing? The only thing that I think, I mean dude, if you could find an RSTI... An already built, a 2.5 RS.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Which I bet you can't for $25,000. Yeah.

• 1:15:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and RSTI is objectively the best car you could buy for that money. I mean, bro, you could get the world's nicest Cobalt SS also, if you wanted to.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  You could do that.

• 1:16:10Matt Farah?

  I mean, the world's nicest, which will mean it'll be medium shit.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  They're kind of quick. They drive good. They just, yeah.

• 1:16:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. They go, but they're just, you know.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  It's a Cobalt, yeah. Looks like a Cobalt.

• 1:16:21Matt Farah?

  Herkimer Battle jitney says, uh, what is the worst and or least fun racetrack to drive in the country? Oh, that's so funny. What is the country's worst racetrack?

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  There's the one where the grass was growing through it in Texas. I think it's a little...

• 1:16:35Matt Farah?

  Texas World Speedway.

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, this'll be mean. Uh, okay, well, we gotta, how do you, how do we qualify? What makes a track the worst, least fun? Least fun is pretty easy, actually.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  I think if it has no elevation, it's not that fun. Yeah.

• 1:16:56Matt Farah?

  I fucking hate Sebring.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go there in a month. It's flat and bumpy.

• 1:17:02Matt Farah?

  Are you racing Lemons there?

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, chump overnight.

• 1:17:05Matt Farah?

  In the Ranchero? In what?

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Uh, the E30 that I ran Lemons in like four years ago with my, uh...

• 1:17:13Matt Farah?

  That could be interesting, through the night.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it starts at 6:00 PM. I was like, are you sure you guys want to do this? Cause they're 50, 60 years old.

• 1:17:20Matt Farah?

  That'll be interesting. I, I, I hate Sebring. I think Sebring's a shithole. It does nothing for me. Tato fucking loves it. I don't, I, I, maybe I'm just missing something.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  That's hard. I mean, I think I have fun racing there because racing's fun and driving's fun. But if we're comparing, it is definitely at the bottom of my list of tracks I've driven because it's just totally flat.

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  The only elevation comes from the very uneven concrete in turn 17.

• 1:17:48Matt Farah?

  It's just a trash, it's just a trash place. Like, I, I just hate it. I hate being there. It's hot and humid. Like, it just sucks. It's a, it's like a, it's a shitty part of a state I already don't like very much.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  That's probably a

• 1:18:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah dude, I don't know if I could think of a worse track than that. Where else have I been that's not fun? I mean, it's so, you know how hard it is to find a racetrack that's not fun?

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Most of them are fun. Even, um, what was the one in Texas, the one you drove?

• 1:18:17Matt Farah?

  Harris Hill.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Matt Farah?

  They repaved Harris Hill. It's lovely.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  Oh, nice.

• 1:18:20Matt Farah?

  Harris Hill, I, I, I love Harris Hill. It is the track, no one cares about it because it's next to Cota and it's a try, it's a tiny little track. But it's like the best value in racetrack memberships in the world. It was like a couple thousand bucks for a whole year and you got a bunch of days.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:18:40Matt Farah?

  That was amazing. It was an amazing value. The people who ran it were so nice. It was great. I love Harris Hill. Great place to slide.

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, shit. What's another place, I, I can't necessarily, I can't really think of anywhere else that just like openly sucks, but Sebring is it. That place is fucking terrible.

• 1:19:03Matt Farah?

  You know what? How about this? Big Willow. Big Willow's the other one I don't like.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  That's a good call.

• 1:19:08Matt Farah?

  I can't wait for them to fix it.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  Enough elevation, but it's, uh, there's no runoff.

• 1:19:13Matt Farah?

  It's the most underachieving track.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  It's very difficult, like the risk and reward there is kind of weird. Very bumpy turn three.

• 1:19:21Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be, wait till they, when it's gonna be fucking amazing.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:24Matt Farah?

  When it's done. Oh, it's gonna be great. A second Jay-Z has hit the Supra. Very good. Uh, I've had a 981 Boxster GTS for two and a half years and considering moving up to a different experience. For 70 to 80, what's a good step up for a Canyon car in the southwestern US? Tons of money to spend.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:46Matt Farah?

  Fucking Richie Rich over here.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Big shoes to fill though.

• 1:19:48Matt Farah?

  Fucking big spending. Here's where, here's where you want, where you want to be looking. 70 to 80. That's all the C8 Corvette. That's a C8 Z51 loaded. Bunch of shit on it. Low miles.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, LT3.

• 1:20:03Matt Farah?

  Light wear.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  Cold seats, everything.

• 1:20:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. How about Vipers? That's all the Viper that you can fucking take and that's very different from a Boxster.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  Uh, you could also go, uh, like a Camaro ZL1 or maybe a 1LE.

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  70 to 80 gets you a GT350R.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  That's, yeah.

• 1:20:22Matt Farah?

  You could also

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  That's probably, that's better than the Camaro, which is the competitor for that.

• 1:20:28Matt Farah?

  You could get, uh, oof.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  All the F-type in the world, but.

• 1:20:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you could be a fucking hot boy F-type R.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  Or you could get the classy one, the supercharged with a manual.

• 1:20:39Matt Farah?

  That's like half price. That's gonna be forty grand. You spend more than that. LC500, do you want to cruise? LC500 is, is pretty sweet.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  That's a great car and probably gonna, you could probably own it for a while and just get out for even money. Um, I think Vinny keeps getting offered like over what he paid for that thing.

• 1:20:58Matt Farah?

  I think so. Seventy to eighty will get you a very nice late first gen Aston Vantage S.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:06Matt Farah?

  Which would be fabulous.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  That would be really cool. You could get.

• 1:21:09Matt Farah?

  M2CS.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  Hmm, I think they're still a hundred.

• 1:21:12Matt Farah?

  Are they?

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, unless it has high miles. That's a great car. You could get all kinds of M2 comp if you want something. They're a little stiff in my opinion, but fast as hell. Um.

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  R8?

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  What was I gonna say?

• 1:21:23Matt Farah?

  Seventy to eighty.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  You could get an early R8, which sound great, look great. Steering's not, I mean, you're coming out of a Boxer GTS. Like you'll hate the steering, I think, and the seating position's kinda weird.

• 1:21:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  It just looks good and sounds good.

• 1:21:37Matt Farah?

  But you say differently. I assume you've ruled out 911, which is why we're not just saying, we're just not saying 911.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:46Matt Farah?

  Shit.

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  Get something front engine that's loud. That's what I would say.

• 1:21:50Matt Farah?

  Vets, C7 vets.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  350R, I think that's, that's, that, that's like the, the best overlap with handling and steering feel from coming out of the, the Boxer. I think you'll like it.

• 1:22:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that'd be cool. Waymo hand jobs by women I hardly know. Is there a, a danger, wait, what? Oh, the white dial speedy, uh, wait, what? Oh, sorry. I didn't need to read the whole question first. Is there a danger that the white dial Omega Speedmaster with a black rubber strap could become the Ferrari 360 with an F1 gearbox of watch resale? I, I don't see many new with a steel bracelet. It was told by the jeweler, there's no steel bracelets to retrofit. Do I go, what? New with rubber or used with steel? That's weird. Um.

• 1:22:43Matt Farah?

  I don't know why you can't get a steel bracelet. I have no idea about any of this. But Omega is the general motors of watchmaking and they will always make one more watch than they can sell. So if you can't get a steel bracelet now, just call another dealer or wait. Like, call Teddy Baldassar, like, he will absolutely sell you one with a steel bracelet, for sure.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  I would say, not knowing much about this at all, but if this person can find the white dial with rubber strap all over the place, but you can't find the one with the steel bracelet, it seems that the demand for the steel is higher, so, yes, you might end up buying a Ferrari 360 with an F1 gearbox. Right?

• 1:23:23Matt Farah?

  Maybe, I mean...

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  It seems like he's... There are less people buying this watch he's found. And so if you're worried about popularity...

• 1:23:31Matt Farah?

  That one's more popular. Yeah, the bracelet is more popular.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Bracelet's more popular, right.

• 1:23:35Matt Farah?

  For sure. But I believe the bracelet and the... So, here's a weird thing. With the Rolex Daytona, if you get one with a bracelet, or you get one with the rubber strap, the cases aren't the same. They're not interchangeable. So if you have a rubber strap, you can't go and just buy a Rolex bracelet and put it on. It won't fit. It's a different case. I don't think that's the situation with the Speedmaster. As far as I know, it's the same case, no matter what they put on it. So you could buy the rubber one...

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  Well, this person said, the jeweler said, "There's no steel bracelets available from Omega to retrofit it."

• 1:24:18Matt Farah?

  Well, does that mean there aren't any available right now to buy?

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  Or it does not fit?

• 1:24:22Matt Farah?

  Or that doesn't mean it doesn't fit? You need to be much clearer about that, in order... You know what I mean? If it is... And I don't know the answer. I think it does fit. I think it's the same thing. But he might be saying, "We don't... We can't sell you any because there aren't any," in which case, just wait. Or, if it actually is a different case, then you gotta buy the one you want. But you need that question to be answered first.

• 1:24:48Matt Farah?

  Who's my, uh, to buy used? Dude, I, I, I worked with Bob's for many years. They're legit. I trust Teddy, uh, Baldassar. He's not gonna sell anything fake. Uh, Mento Watches out of Miami, the best. Eric Wind at Wind Vintage, the best. Um, uh, Cameron from Craft and Tailored, also very good. Like, those are, those are my go-tos. Although I, I don't really buy anything anymore, which is kinda nice. Jeep of Theseus says, uh, Mazda just announced a new green color, only for it to look like another shade of gray. Except for soul red, why does Mazda seem unwilling to give their fun car fun colors?

• 1:25:29Matt Farah?

  I think cause fun cars are expensive and Mazda's trying to keep the cost of the car down. Isn't that why, oh, zinc green?

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Their new color is.

• 1:25:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's like a green gray. It's a, it's a, it's a green gray.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, this looks like it would be straight out of Volvo. Like, this looks so, right, very Norse cold climate kind of, uh, kinda color.

• 1:25:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't hate it. Is, what color is the top, Zach?

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  Uh, gray.

• 1:25:55Matt Farah?

  The top is also gray.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, so, the car is, um, like a dark stone green.

• 1:26:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  And then the top is gray gray.

• 1:26:06Matt Farah?

  But I haven't seen a gray top with any other color. I've only seen black and tan. This is a new top color as well.

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  Maybe, that's true. Or it's just the way it's shot. I can't really tell. Yeah, it does look gray. It doesn't look like a black top.

• 1:26:21Matt Farah?

  It's a nice color. I think, I think they don't have more colors because that would drive the price of the car higher than they want it. Yeah. Wrap your Miata, dude. Wrap your Miata. Get the fucking, pick a color, any color. Uh, soul red is lovely, though.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  It's a great red.

• 1:26:36Matt Farah?

  Great red, yeah. If you're gonna, if you're gonna make one color awesome, have it be your, have it be your red. Um, I like her rims. I'm glad she AID ass. A hundred percent in favor of restaurant stories with Zach. Please recap the worst customer you ever had as a server.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  We could do a whole thing on Patreon, maybe as a bonus thing. The worst customer?

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  I mean, the one that always jumps to mind is when the restaurant I worked at in LA would do too many substitutions, which is a very popular thing in LA. Everyone has a dietary preference. And so finally, the new, we had a new chef who was like, we're not doing that anymore unless someone is allergic to something. And this dish came with a side of like potatoes and broccolini. And this guy looks at me, he goes, I'm allergic to broccolini. And I said, you're allergic? And he literally says, I'm allergic to green things. And I stared at him. And we both, we were

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  We both knew.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  We both knew. I was like, you're allergic to green things. And he said, yes, I'm allergic to green things. And I was like, touche, touche salesman.

• 1:27:40Matt Farah?

  So you live in Montana, full time, with those flip flops on.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 1:27:47Matt Farah?

  In this surfboard.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  And I just happened to see this car all the time.

• 1:27:50Matt Farah?

  And the CHP 1199 frame. You live in Montana.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  Because California won't smog this 2024 suburban. Yeah, that guy, he won, but I hated him. I'll try to think of more and we'll just do a Patreon video sometime.

• 1:28:08Matt Farah?

  Probably your only patron in Maine. I bet that isn't true. Can a fuck, can any other patrons in Maine leave a comment in the show? I guarantee you, there's more than one. Last show, I mentioned my tolerance of 10K a year to spend on a daily driver. I'm looking to spend 5K a year on an EV. Any recommendations? Preferably a brand I'm not judged for. Yes. A lightly used EV, an off lease EV. If you picked up my, for instance, my 20, I don't know, why did I, how many miles, 30, how many miles were on the Mach-E

• 1:28:46Matt Farah?

  when I sold it? 32,000, 33,000 maybe? It was a 35,000 or 36,000 mile lease. And I was slightly under it. But the car like still like looked great. It worked perfectly. It had had all the updates. It hadn't had any, any issues in years. And I bet you you could pick that fucking thing up, could have picked that up somewhere for like 28,000 bucks.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Matt Farah?

  And if you drove that, I mean, there's almost no way that if you kept that car up, you'd lose more than that a year.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Matt Farah?

  There's no fucking way.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  Probably. If you want to go new car, uh, TFL car leased a Fiat 500E last year for $49 a month.

• 1:29:31Matt Farah?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  Two grand down, $49 a month. Sorry, 900 down and $49 a month. So two grand for a 27 month lease. That is... They've been leasing those things for pennies, like since they came out. It's small, I get it, but man, if you just want an EV for no money, hit them up.

• 1:29:51Matt Farah?

  If you could find, it would take some digging, but if you could find a leftover 2025 somewhere, like fairly base Kia EV6 or Ioniq 5.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  I love the EV6.

• 1:30:06Matt Farah?

  Like, my neighbor got one, like a leftover 2025. Dude, actually, my dude Dave, our homie Dave F, who works in Hollywood, uh, Zach, uh, Dave F got a fucking Acura ZDX. Three SUV for 275 a month. Yeah. It's like, so like-

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  That car had great, uh, auto radar cruise control.

• 1:30:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so like, uh, if you dug around, you could find a new one, but if you want to lock that 5K a year in, I honestly, a lightly used EV is gonna do it, assuming you can charge at home, etc.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Let's jump down, let's do this one.

• 1:30:48Matt Farah?

  Okay, V6waysTillSunday says, can you explain the pros and cons of different wheel types? Three-piece, two-piece, alloy, magnesium, etc. Okay.

• 1:31:00Matt Farah?

  Uh, so your cheapest wheels, you know, you've got your steel wheels, your basic steely wheels. They'll last a thousand years, but they're ugly. And then people put what are called hubcaps on them that are made of plastic to disguise that they've got steel wheels. Uh, the next step up from that is gonna be cast aluminum wheels. Um, these are your mass market wheels. The vast majority of all metal wheels on cars are made like this. You can see the brakes through the wheels. They're like silver or black. And basically 95% of the wheels you see on the road are gonna be a cast aluminum wheel.

• 1:31:41Matt Farah?

  Um, they're strong enough, light enough, and cheap enough to cover the vast majority of the car world's like needs. Um, up from that, you have a mo- what's called a forged monoblock wheel. And a monoblock wheel means it's forged from one casting. Those are like sports car wheels, pretty much, like forged wheels you'll see, um, on, yeah, forged aluminum wheels you'll see on a lot of high-performance sports cars, but not like super, super exotic cars. Actually, yeah, and, yeah, your, your standard supercars will come with forged aluminum wheels. Um, your, your McLarens and your Lamborghinis that have steel wheels, those will have forged aluminum wheels.

• 1:32:25Matt Farah?

  Um, performance-wise, up from that, you have magnesium wheels, which are also forged. They're just lighter.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  Super light.

• 1:32:33Matt Farah?

  That's it. Um, they're not quite as strong as the forged aluminum, but they're strong enough that you can use them for racing. Um, carbon fiber, even lighter than magnesium, not as strong.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  Right. Those two tend to not handle daily use where you might hit cracks, potholes, things like hard, you know, hard hits like that.

• 1:32:53Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  Tracks tend to not have those unless you go off and come back on.

• 1:32:55Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Which can maybe shatter a carbon wheel during a film shoot in 2017. I don't know. I don't know, people are saying, people are saying.

• 1:33:03Matt Farah?

  Right. A two-piece wheel will have typically a forged center section. And then an outer barrel that you'll see that's like chrome or something. Most of the time, that outer barrel is made from a rolled sheet of aluminum and then bent around. A two-piece wheel has a fixed offset. A three-piece wheel is like a two-piece wheel, except by changing the size, the relative sizes of each inner and outer barrel, you can change the offset of the wheel by using the same face.

• 1:33:43Matt Farah?

  So like, a company that makes a three-piece version of a wheel can have one face and a virtually infinite number of offsets.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  That'll fit more cars.

• 1:33:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Suspension setups, stuff like that.

• 1:33:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So like, a lot of style wheels are three-piece wheels. Now, HRE has come out with this new thing called FMR, which is a two-piece wheel that looks like a three-piece wheel, but the barrel isn't rolled, it's forged. So it's a stronger wheel. So you could put them on heavier cars, it can take heavier impacts, and you can use them for higher performance applications than you might typically want to use a three-piece wheel. The wheels on my Tycon are FMR wheels.

• 1:34:35Matt Farah?

  So they're a two-piece forged barrel wheel that look like a three-piece wheel. The wheels that were on my Acura NSX were not FMR. Those were actual three-piece wheels from their classic series that are made in the old-school style. The wheels I am getting for the Mercedes are not FMR because they do not have the technology to forge a 17-inch FMR barrel. I think their minimum for FMR is 18 inches. So I can't get those on the Mercedes because we're doing 17s.

• 1:35:18Matt Farah?

  Have we missed any other type of wheel?

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  No, cast, yeah, all that forged?

• 1:35:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:30Matt Farah?

  And it's, you know, it's, there's a balance, right? Like, wheels, ideally, you, you want to reduce weight in your wheels. That helps you do everything. But if your wheel weight, some types of wheels are heavier than others and, you know, style comes into play and your application and...

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  My Apex wheels are flow-formed, which I think HRE also sells.

• 1:35:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  Kind of lands between, like, the cast wheel and the forged wheel in terms of price, but they're still really light and strong. You just don't have as many options with, like, the centers and they can't move the offset as much and stuff like that. So they make a certain number of offset and that's what they sell.

• 1:36:02Matt Farah?

  Flow-form is, yeah, it's, I don't know exactly how the process works, but it's somewhere in between a cast and a forge. Yeah.

• 1:36:13Matt Farah?

  Fastback to the future, oh, Future says, "How do you feel about..." What's our time right now, about 90?

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:19Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  Let's do these two.

• 1:36:20Matt Farah?

  Two more and then we'll wrap it up. Fastback to the Future says, "How do you feel about cops strictly enforcing seemingly trivial violations like window tint, out-of-date inspections and other things like that? Park police have been very strict at the Bear Mountain Wednesday night car meets. Do you see this type of enforcement of seemingly trivial laws around you? I'm not talking about burnouts or obviously straight-piped annoying cars." I mean, here's the thing, dude. Like, you can't drive your car on the fucking road and then, like, complain about cops seeing things that are illegal.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:59Matt Farah?

  You just, like, you just kind of can't do that. Like, you can do it, like, "I'm not gonna fucking call you out on it, I'm not gonna narc out," but like...

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  It's a bit like when they got Capone on tax evasion.

• 1:37:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:09Speaker 01

  I mean, that's, like, they knew he was killing people and doing stuff, but they could only get him for this. So, you know, I'm not saying the cops know that you guys are up to murder or something, but maybe they've had complaints about people drifting, doing burnouts around car meets. Maybe not yours, maybe yours. So they go, "Okay, well, what can we do? What can we do to punish these guys, these people who are there? Well, we can go around and write what we, you know, call chicken shit tickets."

• 1:37:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  If they write you up because you're breaking the law, you're breaking the law.

• 1:37:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:37:37Matt Farah?

  This happens in California a lot. I mean, if some, if your car's like obviously been modified and they don't have a justification to like pull you over, but they have, but you have no front plate on or something like, well, one crime at a time, bro. I, this, this goes right back to one crime at a time. Uh, if you're only doing one thing wrong, you're probably not like, is it annoying to see, to have these, these bullshit tickets like, yeah, but like,

• 1:38:08Matt Farah?

  pay the cost to be the boss, you know?

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  The laws are there.

• 1:38:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:11Speaker 01

  I, I have a front plate because I didn't want to deal, a lot of people with E46s go, ah, just rock no front plate. I don't want to deal with it. I don't want to get parking tickets or whatever. I just, I, I don't care that much. I got a ticket for tint once. I got pulled for expired reg. And then when the guy walked up and I rolled my window down, he was like, oh, he did the fingernail test. I'm like, okay, but I just, I paid the fine. And

• 1:38:34Matt Farah?

  That's it.

• 1:38:34Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:38:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  So just

• 1:38:36Matt Farah?

  You got taxed.

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  Understand that that might happen and it's going to be annoying.

• 1:38:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  But it is.

• 1:38:40Matt Farah?

  Think about Training Day. We just gotta tax them a little bit. You know?

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Stick that pen up his mouth.

• 1:38:45Matt Farah?

  Gotta fucking, just gotta tax them. You know, he's letting, you're letting them operate. They, the cops need their taste.

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:52Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  It would be so good.

• 1:38:53Matt Farah?

  They need their end.

• 1:38:55Matt Farah?

  I saw, remember when I went to Huntington Beach to a car show, to that fucking cars and copters and cops or whatever and fucking, that cop told the only black kid around for like a mile to pop his hood.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's really shitty.

• 1:39:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  You should also check everybody's Montana registration.

• 1:39:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  And see where they live.

• 1:39:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I hear there's some Koenigsegg's over there that those owners might have not paid the full sales tax on these vehicles.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:39:16Matt Farah?

  Um, 50 rare shades of gray says, what are some recession indicators in the car world recently?

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  So this is news from May 6th. Car payment squeeze Americans as auto debt hits 1.68 trillion.

• 1:39:32Matt Farah?

  Almost as much as Elon will be worth next week, once he dumps his company on everybody else.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  Basically, more and more people are missing their auto loan payments. Also, the uh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Uh, since 2018, the average typical auto loan payment has increased more than $680 in 506. Like, cars are getting more expensive, payments are getting more expensive, especially when they draw out these loans for a really long time.

• 1:39:58Matt Farah?

  I heard six year, they're doing six years.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  Is that the average now?

• 1:40:01Matt Farah?

  Six years, dude. Oh, it's so bad.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  Average length, yeah. The average length auto loan is six years.

• 1:40:08Matt Farah?

  That's the average.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  When I bought my STI in, excuse me, uh, 2008, something like that, I think getting a five-year loan was like, whoa, you're really stretching this out.

• 1:40:20Matt Farah?

  I did a 48-month on my Mini.

• 1:40:22Speaker 01

  And, look, we made more money relatively, things were less expensive, um, and so this is the solution to wages remaining relatively stagnant, but everything getting more expensive. They go, how can we get people to sort of afford these things? You just stretch the loan terms out. And, but yeah, we might be seeing more people getting their cars repoed. Just, the stats come out a lot.

• 1:40:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I think there's, what, it's not so much recession indicators. What I'm seeing is like gilded era, like gilded age shit, where you have crazy coach-built supercars and luxury cars, the price of which is going completely bananas. The number of cars that are available for seven figures right now is just mind-boggling. We've got coach building, we've got, um, you know, companies building entire business plans, you know, multinational corporations building entire business plans around selling 10 or

• 1:41:27Matt Farah?

  20 units of something a year. Meanwhile, we have what you just said, where with what regular people are doing to get cars.

• 1:41:36Speaker 01

  Auto loan delinquencies are at a 32-year record high.

• 1:41:38Matt Farah?

  Woo!

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  So, that's on Yahoo Finance.

• 1:41:42Matt Farah?

  That's good.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:43Matt Farah?

  That's good. That is no problem there.

• 1:41:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Matt Farah?

  So, those are a few.

• 1:41:49Speaker 01

  Now, does that mean that we're in a recession? I mean, there's so many recession indicators. And the joke is always like, you know, the last accurate recession, like, person who predicted it, they predicted, you know, two out of the last hundred. No, what's the inverse, a hundred out of the last two.

• 1:42:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  It's like, they just, they say it until it happens, but things aren't great. Things aren't great. Everything's more expensive.

• 1:42:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, you know, like, the, quote, "The stock market and the economy" is essentially propped up on these, you know, four or five companies swirling the same, like, hundred billion dollars around amongst each other.

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a weird time.

• 1:42:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's good.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  It really is.

• 1:42:27Matt Farah?

  Totally good. That's like, no problem at all. I'm just saying, just like, chill. You know, it's fine. Vote, everybody. Please vote.

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:34Matt Farah?

  I voted.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:42:36Matt Farah?

  Uh, thanks, everybody. Appreciate y'all's, uh, thank you, uh, to our patrons. Very good questions today. If there were any left, we can roll them over till next week. We have more show. I am, uh, I'm taking a little mini road trip with the wife tomorrow. Uh, taking the pink car up to Santa Barbara to see Lord Huron. Uh, a band I struggled to describe on this podcast earlier this year. And then I, when I looked up the, the, I looked up how to describe this band to somebody, and it got like, the craziest fucking description from the AI that made it seem like the AI was on the drugs I hope to be taking at the Santa Barbara Bowl.

• 1:43:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we appreciate you guys. See you later. Bye.