Shanthi's Kitchen, Mutton Rolls And The Art Of Gift-Giving

Is Romesh a bad gift-giver? In this Thursday episode of The Romesh Ranganathan Show, Romesh and Shanthi celebrate Apple Dumpling Day, discuss recipes, and get to work tackling your listener dilemmas, from parenting support to the art of gift-giving. Plus, we give you a little taster of what Shanthi's cookery show, Shanthi’s Kitchen, could look like, complete with mutton rolls, some very important serving suggestions, a theme song, and a live post-show review. Another classic Thursday episode with Shanthi. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. If therapy is something you've been thinking about, visit Counselling Directory and find a therapist that's right for you: https://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=romesh_sponsorship Chapters 00:00 Intro 05:55 Jamie Oliver and recipes 07:23 Shanthi’s TV cook show teaser 13:11 A show review 14:07 Shanthi’s quick dinner 15:58 Listener questions 17:46 Parenting advice 26:23 A question about the best gift-giving 29:16 Romesh’s present prank 30:41 Is Romesh a bad gift-giver? 35:41 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:00Speaker 00

  It's Thursday and it's my favourite day of the year, National Apple Dumpling Day.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 0:09Speaker 00

  Oh my god, we love an apple dumpling, don't we?

• 0:11Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 0:12Speaker 00

  Apple dumpling, yes please, yum yum.

• 0:16Speaker 03

  What is it? What's an apple dumpling?

• 0:17Speaker 00

  Well, the clue's in the name, it's a dumpling with apple.

• 0:20Speaker 03

  An apple fritter?

• 0:21Speaker 00

  Apple dumpling. In my tummy. I love apple dumpling.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  Apple strudel?

• 0:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, after, after having an apple dumpling, I go to the toilet and have an apple dump. It's a fun, fun day. I've never heard of apple dumplings before in my life. To be honest, I've got no idea.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  Is it like a, like a dim sum dumpling?

• 0:43Speaker 00

  No, oh.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  It's like, it's an apple pie, I guess. Oh, Jesus.

• 0:49Speaker 03

  Oh, apple pie's good.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  Apple pie's good, yeah. Uh, that looks quite nice.

• 0:53Speaker 03

  They've just put a whole apple in that one.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's an apple dumpling.

• 0:57Speaker 03

  They've just wrapped a whole apple in pastry.

• 0:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, apple dumpling, apple dump-ling.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  You've gone from never hearing of an apple dumpling to telling people how they should be making one.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  That's a rule inside to me.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  Um, it looks quite nice though, don't you think?

• 1:17Speaker 00

  What do you think, Ben? John, would you like an apple dumpling?

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Absolutely not, that looks awful.

• 1:21Speaker 00

  Ben?

• 1:22Speaker 03

  I think if it was chopped and stewed with sugar, brown sugar, a bit of butter.

• 1:27Speaker 00

  Okay. So a completely different dish.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  Do you know what I'd like if it was like with chicken curry and rice? And they mix it together.

• 1:42Speaker 00

  Um, I'll tell you what you'd love, Chicken Buriani Day. Georgie, apple dumpling?

• 1:48Speaker 00

  Mum, apple dumpling?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, love it. I never, haven't had it, but I like to have it with hot ice, warm my-

• 1:55Speaker 00

  Hot ice cream.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Hot-

• 1:57Speaker 00

  Do you know, um-

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Dumpling with ice cream.

• 2:00Speaker 00

  Deep fried ice cream, can't you?

• 2:03Speaker 02

  No, they, I only heard that-

• 2:05Speaker 03

  Deep fried Mars bar?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Mars bar.

• 2:07Speaker 00

  Deep fried ice cream.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  How?

• 2:09Speaker 00

  If I said, if I was talking about deep fried Mars bar, I would have said deep fried Mars bar. Deep fried ice cream.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  You sure?

• 2:14Speaker 00

  They, like, it's a frozen-

• 2:16Speaker 03

  You mean baked Alaska when they put the meringue on it?

• 2:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like that, but it's taken to another extreme, it's deep fried ice cream.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  But no, but you can't, meringue, you have to cook batter through, don't you?

• 2:25Speaker 00

  It's deep fried ice cream.

• 2:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I never been, oh, no.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  I think you're thinking of baked Alaska, which is a mouthful.

• 2:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I know, baked Alaska.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  Deep fried ice cream.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  How do you fry ice cream, Romesh?

• 2:38Speaker 00

  It's, um, have you heard of baked Alaska?

• 2:42Speaker 00

  Every Thursday we hang out and have a go, answer your questions, dilemmas, sometimes we get the odd story or observation. I'm joined by my mother, Shanti Ranganathan, and the team of fucking creatures.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  We haven't written that.

• 2:55Speaker 00

  No, you haven't, but it just keeps popping in the old gobby. That's what can sometimes happen on National Apple Dumpling Day.

• 3:05Speaker 00

  You never know how Apple Dumpling Day is gonna go.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  How are you today?

• 3:14Speaker 02

  I'm fine.

• 3:17Speaker 00

  Well, do you like that?

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  I'm fine, thank you.

• 3:24Speaker 00

  Mum, do you know how you love QVC?

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:26Speaker 00

  Could you, uh, big up the show like it's an item on QVC? It's gonna, you, you, you need to listen to this show, it's got big laughs, it's guaranteed to make you smile, et cetera, et cetera, and then welcome to the Romesh Ranganathan Show. Just down the camera, please.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  How am I going to do that? Let me try.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  I'm trying to have a look at this bracelet, how beautiful it is. So it's shiny and makes your hand look very elegant. And I, I loved it, since I bought it, so much luck, luck came towards me. So I want you to try that as well and enjoy. And please buy this type of b- bangles, it gives you a lot of luck. Welcome to Romesh Ranganathan Show.

• 4:21Speaker 00

  Really good, really good.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  Um, I feel like a little bit of-

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Confused, bracelet changing the bangle.

• 4:30Speaker 00

  Not, well, I don't think that was the biggest issue.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 4:33Speaker 00

  It's, I was, I wanted you to talk about the show like it was an item on QVC and you started selling a bracelet for some reason.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Oh, right, yeah, okay.

• 4:40Speaker 00

  But it doesn't matter, that was good. Welcome to the Romesh Ranganathan Show.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  With me, Shanti.

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• 6:24Speaker 00

  On Monday, we had the Naked Chef on.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Jamie Oliver?

• 6:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. We went on Jamie Oliver and Jimmy Doherty's show, where he, like, and we, he was getting me to make a lasagna.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  And you got drunk, didn't you?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  I got drunk, completely drunk.

• 6:39Speaker 00

  Mum got absolutely pissed.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  And Jamie shows you how to make the lasagna, then he goes, I'll leave you to get on with it, and then Mum just heckled me for the whole time.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  Not as good as Jamie.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  You was, she was hammered. It's embarrassing. And then at the end of it, I, well, you tried the lasagna, and I said to Jamie, oh my god, this tastes absolutely incredible.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  And he gave me all the ingredients and the stuff to make it, and never made it sense.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  How to make the pasta?

• 7:03Speaker 00

  I knew I was not gonna make it.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  What did he do with the pasta machine?

• 7:05Speaker 00

  Still got it. Um, but it's just, you know.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  But it was so nice.

• 7:10Speaker 00

  It was so nice, wasn't it?

• 7:12Speaker 02

  He put, added cashew nuts as well inside, yeah, the sauce.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was a mushroom lasagna, but to make the bechamel, he used cashew. He said vegan food is tricky, tricky, didn't he?

• 7:26Speaker 02

  It is, it's very difficult to make though.

• 7:28Speaker 00

  You were so pissed, you got no idea. We were eating the lasagna, Mum was doing a line in the toilet.

• 7:37Speaker 00

  If you like the lasagna now, you should try it when you're off your tits. Do you remember you said that?

• 7:40Speaker 02

  No, I, oh no, that's, that's a lie, Ben. Some of the things he says, don't believe him.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Not all of them, though. When I say MD, you say Emme, MD.

• 7:53Speaker 00

  Mum, the team thought it'd be good to give everyone a tease of what your TV cooking show could be like if you did one. Because you know, we were talking about doing a, and we're looking at expanding the Romesh Ranganathan podcast.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:05Speaker 00

  The Romesh Ranganathan Show, sorry. And obviously, we need to move in the direction of the growth areas. I think I've topped out. Whereas Mum is an area that people want more of. People want less of me in this podcast and more of Mum, don't they? That's true.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  That's what they keep saying, yeah.

• 8:21Speaker 00

  And all the, see, all the gibbons agree. And so we're gonna do a tease of what your cooking show could be like, and I'm gonna be your guest.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:31Speaker 00

  All right?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  And then I'm gonna ask some questions and stuff, and we're gonna do it. Okay, so I've got you.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  We can put some title music and we can give it a bit of something.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  Finally, a bit of fucking production on this. So here's, there's a wooden spoon.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:46Speaker 00

  You'll remember it from what you used to brandish across mine and Dinesh's asses when we were kids.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you didn't do the homework.

• 8:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, there you go, and that deserves corporal punishment, doesn't it? So there's your apron.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 8:58Speaker 00

  Okay, and we're gonna-

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Tie it up or?

• 9:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure, you can do. Georgie, where did you get this apron from?

• 9:07Speaker 00

  TK Maxx, okay, so probably one of our relatives made it. So

• 9:13Speaker 00

  right, Mum, do you wanna, um-

• 9:14Speaker 03

  Shall we get, you know how like Romesh sings the, the, the sort of the intro on the Romesh Show? Do you wanna do like a little welcome?

• 9:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  No, that one, no.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  So here you're wooden spoon.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Shanthi's Kitchen?

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Shall I start?

• 9:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, go for it, you're hosting the show.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  So what recipe do you want, my son?

• 9:34Speaker 00

  Introduce the show first of all, before we get into recipes.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  Hi, this is Ranganathan Show, and I'm going to tell you how to make a mutton roll, okay?

• 9:50Speaker 00

  It's called Shanthi's Kitchen. So imagine, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do some music and then we'll come out of the music. Ben, do you wanna direct this?

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 9:57Speaker 00

  Okay, so Ben's in your ear, okay? Da da da da da da, Shanthi's Kitchen, yeah. Da da da da da da, Shanthi's Kitchen, yeah. It's Shanti, it's a kitchen, she's gonna do some cooking, and when she puts the dish on the counter, your son, you're gonna be looking, then you're gonna be tasting. Cause it's Shanthi's Kitchen, you love her food, you love her dude, you're gonna be in Shanthi's Kitchen. It's Shanthi's Kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen, kitchen. Shanthi's Kitchen.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Sorry, this is Shanthi's Kitchen, okay? Now, I'm going to show you

• 10:40Speaker 02

  how to make mutton roll.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  Anybody wants to know the recipe?

• 10:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. In Shanthi's Kitchen, in Shanthi's Kitchen, yeah, she's gonna be cooking, and you're gonna be looking, let's see what's cooking, Shanthi's Kitchen is gonna be bitching. And we're not switching to another channel, cause we love this one the best.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  Here we go.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  It's Shanthi's Kitchen.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Shut up, shut up, shut up. Right, you make the mutton curry, a, a one pound of meat, mutton curry, you, you all know how to make mutton curry.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Cause I don't wanna go into-

• 11:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, we don't wanna fuck around with going into the details. Make some mutton curry.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Mutton curry.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  Get some breadcrumbs.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  And pancakes.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  You can buy the sheet, a frozer.

• 11:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  If you don't wanna make the pancake, put the mutton curry in.

• 11:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Roll it up.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  Roll it up.

• 11:41Speaker 00

  Roll it up. What you do, you roll it up.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, roll it up.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  Roll it up.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:46Speaker 00

  What you do, you roll it up. That's how you make the mutton roll.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Yay. Then you have to make a batter to dip the, that pancake roll. And roll it in breadcrumbs, fry it, and voila.

• 12:03Speaker 00

  Voila.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Yay. This is what I made earlier. Have a look.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Do you wanna do it where you go voila and it will just appear in your hands?

• 12:11Speaker 02

  No, that's fine.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Okay, sure, I'll just pass.

• 12:24Speaker 00

  Okay. All right, Mum. So how do you serve, uh, how do you serve mutton rolls?

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Serve mutton roll, you can eat with, uh, this, this, this is the one I made earlier.

• 12:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  You can eat with sauce, tomatoes, ketchup.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  Tomato ketchup, really?

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Ketchup, yeah, and chili sauce.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  And chili sauce.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Already it's hot anyway.

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  So you don't wanna make it too spicy.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  No.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  So dip it in and enjoy yourself. Eat. That's it. That's Shanti's mutton roll.

• 12:58Speaker 00

  Yay. Okay.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  Closing theme tune?

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Classy.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  Thanks for visiting Shanthi's Kitchen. We hope like us that you think it was bitchin'. She'll be back very soon with another recipe. She'll tell you how to make it easy as one, two, three is Shanthi's Kitchen. She's making stuff. She won't tell you the ingredients or the method or anything. She'll just pick the thing and she'll say you know how to do it. Then she'll show you it and tell you to put it in some ketchup. Shanthi's Kitchen.

• 13:38Speaker 00

  Really good. Uh, now, let's be honest, let's be honest here. What do we think that what Mum just did? Now, in fairness to her, she wasn't in a kitchen, so that'd be the first thing. I think this should be in a kitchen. Uh, what, what else do you think would take it from what we've just done here to actually a, a cookery show, do you think?

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Probably a recipe.

• 13:59Speaker 00

  Recipe would be good.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Recipe, if I start saying the recipe.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Look, not enough time.

• 14:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, but the whole, that's what the show is. You can't say.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  Now, I mean, if you told me.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Step by step.

• 14:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  I could have done it, but I, I know how to make them.

• 14:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  So I know what goes in there. So, but I, I thought I'd be in depth.

• 14:20Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, fine.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  Within that time, yeah, I could have.

• 14:23Speaker 00

  Okay. So that's it. So just showing people how to make it, I think is probably the bit that was missing.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  No, but that's true, but that's not your fault. We're in the studio.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. So.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  So much goes in there.

• 14:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, Mum, if you're not having mutton rolls, what's your favourite quick dinner for the viewers of Shanthi's Kitchen?

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Mutton curry?

• 14:44Speaker 00

  Mutton curry.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  Now, you'll remember mutton curry from earlier on in the episode when we made mutton rolls. Now, the way to make.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  This is a snack.

• 14:55Speaker 00

  Is you take what you might otherwise have put in a roll and you don't.

• 15:02Speaker 00

  That's how you make mutton curry. Or if you've already got mutton rolls, you can split those open like a blunt. And empty the contents onto your plate and you've got mutton curry. And then you could take the roll carcass and put tobacco and weed in that or whatever and just blaze it up.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  It's a two different curries. Mutton curry with gravy.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  Right.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  This you have to make it dry.

• 15:28Speaker 00

  Dry, yeah. So what you do, you take the mutton curry, you pour away the gravy. Roll it up. So, but, but when you were talking.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Are you taking the mick out of the mutton roll?

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Oh. Oh. Across the line.

• 15:41Speaker 00

  No, I'm not.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Because you are a vegan.

• 15:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  No, I'm not taking.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Don't do that.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  I'm not, I'm sorry.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  People love it.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, people love it. Can I, uh, I think if you don't mind, guys, don't mind me getting serious for a moment. Uh, apologies to.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:54Speaker 00

  Uh, any fans of mutton rolls and mutton roll. I didn't mean to cause any offence, but I was just having a little joke. But obviously Mum's called that out there. That was, um. I'm sorry if anybody was offended by what I said about mutton rolls. I respect them as a thing. Do I find them morally abhorrent? Sure.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  Can we just have a few moments of silence? Just to appreciate what's just happened.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  I think it's a joke for you. Whatever I do, yeah, you take the mick out of me. And your song sucks.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Thought that was a bit harsh about the song. Uh, now. It's time for some listener questions. If you've got a question that you think two completely unqualified amateurs could help you with. Send your WhatsApp messages and voice notes to oh seven seven three one six two three three five five. Or email podcast at rangabi.com. Oh, what the fuck?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  I did it, what else do I do?

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't know whether we decided last time that you thought it was a bit.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's true. Shall we go for it one more time and see?

• 16:50Speaker 01

  All right.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  Or email podcast at rangabi.com.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  It's too much.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's too much for me.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  You only say it, yeah.

• 17:00Speaker 00

  All right. Okay. You didn't like the.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  No, I love them.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 17:06Speaker 00

  But what you're saying is they ruined it.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  No, I didn't say, why are you putting the horrible words in my mouth?

• 17:11Speaker 00

  What I'm saying is it's worse when they join in.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  I thought it's too much.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's too much from them.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  Including you.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  So you don't want me to, and I, I think that really ruins it.

• 17:24Speaker 00

  If I go or email podcast at.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Oh, Shanti, you could do the second half.

• 17:31Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a good idea. All right.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  Email podcast at.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Rangabi.com.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  Hmm, that was the shittest one of all of them. Okay. And don't forget, if you haven't already, please like and subscribe whenever you get your podcasts. Mum, have you liked and subscribed?

• 17:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 17:48Speaker 00

  Liar.

• 17:52Speaker 00

  You lie.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  There's no way that you'd like to subscribe. This, this, by the way, this is great.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  Was that supposed to fool us?

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:12Speaker 00

  Uh, right. Uh, we've got an email from anonymous. Dear Romesh and Shanti. Love the parenting advice you give. Oh, do you? So I was hoping you can help me. My daughter is eighteen and since she was a little girl, has dreamed of working in fashion. She worked incredibly hard and has now been accepted into the university she always wanted to attend.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  God, I'm nervous as I read the next bit. Now she has a first serious boyfriend.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  She has completely changed her mind about going because she doesn't wanna leave him. Christ. Should I encourage her to go or let her make her own decision? Thank you both and lo, oh, thank you, love you both and the podcast, anonymous. Okay, um.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Do you think anonymous emailers should just come up with a name?

• 19:03Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 19:03Speaker 03

  Just invent a name. Why do people bother saying anonymous?

• 19:07Speaker 00

  Okay, I mean, it feels like she's got quite a serious problem here. I don't want to go two footed in on the name that she's chosen.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  Just make up a name.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  A nick, a fun nickname.

• 19:15Speaker 00

  I think maybe she's worried about her daughter giving up on her dream of university rather than going, I must come up with a name so that Ben's happy.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Just it's nicer to not have to keep saying anonymous.

• 19:25Speaker 00

  Fine, we'll do, uh, thanks, uh, Sandra. Okay, Mum, what do you think?

• 19:32Speaker 02

  I heard that the young children, because of the cost of, uh, living and the money.

• 19:41Speaker 00

  Sorry to get.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  People are, people are, the young ch.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Boys or girls, they don't wanna go to uni now.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  They're finding a way of making money other way, you know, like tiling and business or. So that's what I heard. I, I, maybe I'm wrong. So she shouldn't get upset. Let them do what they want to do.

• 20:03Speaker 00

  Holy, holy shit.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:07Speaker 00

  What do you mean, no?

• 20:09Speaker 02

  Why are you doing holy, holy?

• 20:11Speaker 00

  Surprised. She, so, so the daughter is changing her mind about going to university.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  What subject is she going to do?

• 20:17Speaker 00

  Fashion.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Fashion.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  You can learn fashion. You don't have to go to university.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  What do you think about having a boyfriend?

• 20:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:26Speaker 00

  No.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:28Speaker 00

  So what my mum's advice is, tell your daughter.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, no boyfriend.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  University and split up with her boyfriend.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 00

  That's your advice. So give up both things.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Both things, yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 00

  This email's about a choice between two things and you're saying deselect both.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  The daughter won't, she doesn't wanna go to uni. You can't.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  She did want to go to university.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 00

  And she's very keen to go to university.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  Now she's got her first serious boyfriend and she's one eighted on that.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Oh, I want her to go to uni.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I changed my mind now.

• 21:07Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  But give up the boyfriend.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  You can pick another one anytime.

• 21:12Speaker 00

  I knew, just a little bit of reflection and we could get Mum back on track.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes. I wanted to go to uni.

• 21:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  And do something really useful and make money, but boyfriends you can get. I mean, when you go to uni, you might meet somebody different.

• 21:27Speaker 00

  Hmm. I don't think that's what she wants, though.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  That's what she wants.

• 21:30Speaker 00

  That's what she wants. That is what she wants. You're right, sorry. Um.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:36Speaker 00

  Uh, anonymous, uh, my first bit of advice would be, uh, thank you for your email first of all. Just think of a name.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Name a what?

• 21:45Speaker 00

  I know you're going through this heart wrenching situation with your daughter, but it just helps us a bit if you think of a false name, okay? So have a bit of consideration for the people to have to read out your problem on the podcast. That's the first thing. Um, the second thing is, um, I'm not sure a hundred percent on what advice to give you because I don't know how much of a filter, how much of a filter you have been in delivering this message to us. And what I mean by that is the way that your message reads is that your daughter was desperate to go, you'd go to university and now because of this boyfriend, she's completely one eightyed and changed her mind. Now, if that's the case, that's a shame, but I, I wonder if, and forgive me for saying this,

• 22:30Speaker 00

  I wonder if you're so keen on your daughter going to university that, and she might have changed her mind organically and the boyfriend is part of that, that you might have sort of boiled it down to that. And, and, and I don't know if that's the case or not. The, the reality is I don't, you know, it's very difficult to give you, I, I, I don't know how to, what to think of this. I mean, I, I sort of feel like

• 22:57Speaker 00

  all you can do is your daughter's worked really hard to get onto this course. And now she doesn't want to do it because of this boyfriend. All you could do is put your point across and then let her make her own choices. I mean, I mean, the reality of it is it's not make or break. If she decides not to go to university and then she gets with this boyfriend and she carries on with this boyfriend and either they break up or they get serious and she decides later on to go back to do her university. Of course, she can do that. It's not a one off thing. So you can come back to that. But I think if you are trying to force your children to do anything, I, I don't think any good can come from that. I feel like it, it can only lead to resentment and then her sort of

• 23:42Speaker 00

  hiding a little bit away from you. And I, and I think the thing to value the most is your kids communicating with you and sharing their problems with you and, and all of that. And the best way to maintain that relationship is to, in my opinion, is to be as supportive as you can. Show them the love and the guidance that you can give them. But then that is where your influence ends. You then have to let them make their own decisions, in my opinion. I mean, I'm not in the situation where this is happening, Mike. I mean, I am sort of, I mean, it's, you know, Theo's got a girlfriend. And he, i- if he chooses to do something differently as a result of his relationship, I'll tell him what I think, but I can't force him to do anything differently. So I, you kind of have to hope that the way that you brought your kids up means that they'll lead,

• 24:27Speaker 00

  that'll lead to the right decisions. But nothing is make or break, in my opinion. But my mum's advice is get her to split up with the boyfriend, force her to go to university. Hope that helps.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  Happy?

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, there you go. All right, next up we've got, yeah?

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, because she has to study and do something.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, she has to study and do something.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  And earn money, so.

• 24:51Speaker 00

  Um, actually, I, I'm pretty sure, I think the stats back me up on this. If you go to university, your total lifetime earnings are lower than if you don't.

• 25:01Speaker 00

  I'm pretty sure because like you're forfeiting three years of earnings or four years completely. And you're actually working at a loss. And then the subsequent increase in earnings that the degree gives you is not completely offset by the years that you miss working, if that makes sense?

• 25:18Speaker 03

  It does make sense. But don't they, are they saying now that if you do the humanities, you are, because of AI, you're actually going to be more into, it used to be seen as like, oh, it's a waste of time.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  Right.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  But now all the technical stuff you can kind of get very quickly with AI.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  But the humanities.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. So your analytical thinking and being like, and suddenly is, there's more value in that and.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  Jesus. Um, you might be getting a nosebleed from how highbrow this podcast has just got over the last couple of minutes.

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• 27:23Speaker 00

  Next up, we've got a voice note from Michael.

• 27:25Speaker 06

  Hi there, Ram and Shanti. It's Michael here from Northern Ireland. I have got a question for you both about presents. So my daughter is turning fourteen in November and I've bought her, uh, like flights from Northern Ireland to Birmingham and then for the two of us. And then we're going to stay in a hotel in Birmingham and then we're going to go and see The Darkness in, on the Saturday night. And very, very excited. She's never been to a concert. She's a massive Darkness fan. She doesn't think she's going to be able to go for like a few years. So this is a huge big surprise. And I, I have to wait until November to tell her all about it. So I know previously in your podcast, you talked about presents and, and gifts and Shanti.

• 28:08Speaker 06

  Your language of love is gift giving. And I was just wondering what the most excited you've ever been about giving somebody else a gift? Or, you know, an experience or whatever it is. What's, yeah, just love to hear what your thoughts are on that. It's a bit of a different to what's the best present you've ever received? I just want to know maybe what's the best present you've ever given? Okay, look, it's been lovely chatting or saying things without a chat. Uh, take care and I hope you're all well. Bye.

• 28:41Speaker 00

  Uh, it's difficult adding a voice note, isn't it? Uh, thank you so much, Michael. That was lovely. Sounds lovely, doesn't it?

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  Uh, Mum, what's the best gift you've ever given?

• 28:53Speaker 00

  You're not a gift giver. I mean, you are a gift giver, but what I mean is.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  I think, can we pause it and go, right at that moment?

• 29:05Speaker 00

  He knew he'd fucked up. Um, Mum, you prefer receiving to giving, don't you?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  I love to give presents.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  I always, where the hell did you get the idea from?

• 29:17Speaker 00

  Just life experiences.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Uh, because every time I give you a present, you give it to charity.

• 29:22Speaker 00

  No, I don't.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  No, I don't.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  I never seen you wearing it from me.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  What did you do with all those?

• 29:30Speaker 00

  I've still got them. I wear them all the time. What's your, uh, favourite gift you've given?

• 29:35Speaker 02

  The bracelet to Theo.

• 29:37Speaker 00

  The bracelet to Theo?

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  That was very nice. Yeah, yeah.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  His eyes lit up and because people don't celebrate when, when they turn sixteen.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Only eighteen.

• 29:48Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  But I bought her, him a nice bracelet.

• 29:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  He said, I'll never change this grammar. I will keep it.

• 29:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  And there you were.

• 29:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  That made me so happy.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  He changed it the next day. Um, no, he didn't. He loved that. It was very nice of you. Um, I don't think I'm very good at giving gifts.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Are you trying to say I never given any nice presents to your wife?

• 30:09Speaker 00

  What I'm saying is you like receiving presents, don't you?

• 30:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love to receive. Yeah, as well.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Uh, I,

• 30:22Speaker 00

  I mean, I feel like the best presents to give are always experienced presents. Do you know what I mean? Like of going somewhere, doing something. Like actually, because once I, um, do you remember when it was really difficult to get PlayStation five? You remember this, Mum. You were desperate to get one, weren't you? Because you wanted to play Spider-Man, didn't you? But, um, and so I pretended to the kids that I couldn't get one, but actually I got one off some sort of.

• 30:50Speaker 00

  It doesn't matter how I got it. But anyway, the point is I managed to get PlayStation five. And we gave the kids like their presents and we said, we're sorry we couldn't get your PlayStation. And they're really cool about it. And then what I did was while they were downstairs and we were doing whatever, I snuck upstairs and I put it in the room. I said, it was surprising and they lost their shit.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  It was really good. Really good. Um, but I'm, I don't, I actually don't think I'm that great a gift giver.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  I'm often very poorly organised and it becomes like a last minute thing.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Last minute thing.

• 31:25Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  But you gave me a house and a kitchen?

• 31:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that wasn't like, that wasn't a gift. I said, that was more emotional blackmail. Um.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 31:34Speaker 00

  But, but I don't, um, I, yeah, I'm not very good at that. I, I, I, I am. I would say that Lisa has had a bad.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  I need, as I'm saying this, the reason I'm hesitating is because I think I need to step up my game with Lisa's gifts. It's not very good.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  No?

• 31:52Speaker 00

  I'm a bit shit at giving Lisa presents. The boys I'm pretty good at, but Lisa, not good. You, not good. Din, not good. In fact, I think I'm just shit at giving. Michael, you've really led to a moment of reflection here. I actually don't think I'm good at giving presents because I'm just so disorganised. So then like, it's not like I don't want to spend the money sort of thing. It's just like, I just think shit. That's tomorrow. What do I do? And so then I just sort of, so yeah, I'm not that great. Thanks, Michael. I know it's quite a cheery voice note, but you've really sent me into quite the fucking spiral.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  You could always, in a moment that you find you've forgotten and it's too late, you could then just give it late, just buy something.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  I do do that, but that, it still feels a bit shit, doesn't it? Do you know what I mean?

• 32:38Speaker 03

  I think as long as you made the effort at some point, people would be happy.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  Do you then have to then overcompensate because you're late then?

• 32:45Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 00

  That's why you ended up with that car, isn't it?

• 32:53Speaker 03

  Drive as well.

• 32:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Shit, I need to think about, do you know what? You've given me a development area, over the next 12 months, I'm going to be a better present giver. There you go. That's my area of growth. That's exciting, isn't it?

• 33:06Speaker 03

  We're all excited about that.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  That's great, we'd like to celebrate, there's quite a few celebrations coming up, compared to a year.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true. That doesn't deserve presents.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  It feels like John's got a birthday.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  We're both February, aren't we?

• 33:20Speaker 03

  We're February birthdays.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  So that's going to be the expensive one for you.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, Georgie's coming up really quickly.

• 33:25Speaker 00

  I need a week to sort of fully get into that.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  We don't mind it being a week late, do we? Whenever it comes. But within the sort of three or four week window. I don't want it to be whenever, because that's too.

• 33:38Speaker 00

  We just said a direct quote, "Whenever it comes."

• 33:41Speaker 03

  But I think, set a month window, I decide, it can be early.

• 33:45Speaker 00

  But I'm not getting a present for a year of the show. That's not a present thing.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Why not?

• 33:50Speaker 00

  It's a year of a podcast.

• 33:52Speaker 03

  The amount of work these guys have put in, week in, week out, to make your show successful.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  Successful, yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  Now it's my show.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Rangaritan show, what does it mean?

• 34:03Speaker 03

  The sign also gives it away.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  Well, yeah.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  Am I supposed to get you a present for a year?

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Do you know what, I think.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Experiences make the best gifts, that's what you were saying.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I know that Bobby Lee.

• 34:16Speaker 00

  Why don't you all go out?

• 34:19Speaker 00

  No. Bobby Lee, what did he do?

• 34:21Speaker 03

  Bobby Lee and Angie Santino took the whole team to like a really fancy like restaurant. I think it went to like Nobu type place.

• 34:27Speaker 00

  Okay, but their podcast, let's just look at it.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  I would say,

• 34:35Speaker 00

  based on sort of the size of their podcast compared to ours, so they went to a fancy restaurant. So I think what we'd have, if I was doing, you scale it down, starter at Deshoom.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Well, we all go for starters.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Well, actually.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  No, one of us, we share a starter.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  I don't want to start calling out Bobby Lee.

• 34:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  And, but, we're higher in the.

• 34:59Speaker 00

  This is the Infinity thing again.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  We're higher in the UK charts than they are in the US charts.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  As we all know, the UK's much bigger than the US.

• 35:09Speaker 00

  So fuck you, Liam Santino. You just got shat on by the Romesh Rangaritan show. Fuck you.

• 35:19Speaker 00

  We can get mains, that means.

• 35:26Speaker 00

  No, we will do, we'll have like a, we'll do something. And it'll be on me.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  You'll organise that?

• 35:31Speaker 00

  I won't organise it, but can somebody, can you put it together and then like, let me know when the date? And obviously like, put it in, you've got access to my, just put it in my, you'll be there.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  You'll come though.

• 35:41Speaker 00

  Well, let's see, because I'm writing the tour at the moment.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  That's what you're doing to her.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  That was actually a fucking great word.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  Uh, okay, yeah, we'll do something.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  We could film it, couldn't we? We could make it all of us.

• 36:01Speaker 00

  No, no, no.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 00

  No, no. Please, can we just have a real experience?

• 36:10Speaker 03

  We'll put it, because that's to be the patron. Nights out with the Rangaritan.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, Rangaritan. Yeah.

• 36:18Speaker 00

  We're not, please can we not do that?

• 36:20Speaker 03

  And we could review food, we could like, you could do the vegan section.

• 36:23Speaker 00

  You can't be on camera.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  We could just cut to the dish.

• 36:26Speaker 00

  Do you know what we could do? We just cut to the dish and you talk about it.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  You'd just see the fork come in maybe, if you don't mind my hand being in it.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Okay, but then.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Sorry, I mean, yeah, no, we should have our hands in it.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Horrible fucking hairy paw entered the shot. Okay, that's all we've got time for. Thank you so much for listening and watching. Please remember to like and subscribe. Join us next time, say goodbye mum.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Bye bye everybody, love you all.

• 36:52Speaker 00

  See you later, suck a dick, you dumb pricks. Peace out, you fuckos.

• 36:59Speaker 00

  Thank you so much for watching and listening to this episode. Before you go, if you've enjoyed this episode and you've not subscribed, that's a bold decision. Crazy behaviour. Follow and subscribe to the Romesh Rangaritan Show wherever you listen. It helps me, really, like, really helps me, it helps the team. And it costs you absolutely nothing. We drop episodes every Monday and Thursday. Mondays, I'm joined by great guests. Thursdays, Mum Shadi joins me to answer your questions and family dilemmas. We'll see you Monday with another great guest and back here with Mum on Thursday. If you've got a problem you want to solve or a story you want to share, send it to [email protected], voice note or text us on 07731 623355. We can't promise good advice, but you might end up on the show.

• 37:44Speaker 00

  See you soon.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Oh, shut up, Romesh.

• 37:49Speaker 04

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