Ray Winstone on The Gentlemen, Gangster Etiquette, and Strictly Come Dancing

Could Romesh make a convincing gangster? In this week's episode of The Romesh Ranganathan Show, Romesh is joined by legendary, British actor, Ray Winstone, to discuss his role as Bobby Glass in the second season of Guy Ritchie's hit Netflix series, The Gentlemen. But what does he make of the rumours Meghan Markle is joining the cast? Ray, famous for his career playing tough guys and hardened criminals in films such as, Sexy Beast and Nil By Mouth, talks to Romesh about his acting career over the last 50 years. Plus, there's a masterclass lesson in how to play a proper gangster. Hint - he doesn't hold back criticism. Elsewhere, Ray discusses his love of Sicily, West Ham and John Malkovich. There's a playful game of Misquoted, a question from Shanthi, where the conversation turns to Strictly, and the importance of family. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters 00:00 Intro 03:03 A gift for Ray 05:55 Ray doesn’t want to talk about acting 09:04 Ray’s career beginnings 11:37 Building a character 13:15 Favourite roles 15:30 Ray’s swagger and coaching Romesh 20:19 The Gentlemen 36:35 Meghan Markle rumours 37:30 Embarassing mum moments 39:14 Shanthi’s question 40:17 The changes in the industry and being a dad 43:13 Is Ray a homebody? 45:40 Turning down The Wire 47:56 On Danny Dyer 49:31 On West Ham 50:15 Ray’s Esquire culture chat 52:51 Misquoted 01:02:55 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Hello everyone, I'm gonna be on Romesh's show, he's the governor.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Oh, shut up Romesh.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  I'm gonna do your intro now.

• 0:20Speaker 00

  Okay Rom.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  Um, so if you don't like any of this.

• 0:23Speaker 00

  Oh, I'll tell you, don't you?

• 0:24Speaker 02

  My guest today is a British actor whose stellar career has solidified him as the absolute don of Mobland.

• 0:30Speaker 00

  Love it, love it.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  From Sexy Beast to Nail by Mouth to King of Thieves, he is the undisputed king of tough guys and gangsters.

• 0:38Speaker 00

  Beautiful.

• 0:40Speaker 02

  Now he's back.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  He went American then.

• 0:46Speaker 02

  I did a bit, yeah. Too much energy, I'll be honest with you, that character. As Bobby Glass in season two of Guy Ritchie's hit Netflix series The Gentleman, it's the boss, the incredible Ray Winstone, everybody!

• 0:59Speaker 00

  Thank you very much.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  You like it?

• 1:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, instead of boss, you could have said capo di capi.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Okay, the absolute capo di capi. Ray Winstone, everybody!

• 1:09Speaker 00

  Thank you very much.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  The absolute fucking Dom. The absolute G.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  Oh, don't overdo it.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, fall at his feet and kiss the fucking, kiss the ring.

• 1:17Speaker 00

  Enough already.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  You pricks. It's Ray Winstone in the fucking building, you better recognise.

• 1:22Speaker 00

  Why does everyone have to overact? They have to fucking overact all the time.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Too much? Too big?

• 1:29Speaker 00

  Slightly.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Okay. Um, how do you feel about doing podcasts in general, Ray?

• 1:34Speaker 00

  I'm not, I, not for me really.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:37Speaker 00

  But, you know, if, sometimes they're interesting.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40Speaker 00

  We'll see how you go today, fuck.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Do you like, what, how do you feel about doing PR and like promoting stuff? Is it annoying?

• 1:48Speaker 00

  It's not my favourite.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  But you've got responsibility.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51Speaker 00

  To do it, to the show, to the people you work with on the show, the crew.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55Speaker 00

  You know, everyone is kind of involved in it.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58Speaker 00

  You know, we was talking earlier, you know, you take a job and the last thing you think about is the PR. So you think you've done a job in six days or six weeks or six months and you're finished. Well, you ain't.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:10Speaker 00

  Because then the hard work comes, the stuff you don't really enjoy doing, you know?

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's difficult, but then like you said, you wanna give the thing that you've created the best possible chance.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  So anyway, look, so not keen on PR, don't like podcasts.

• 2:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Welcome to.

• 2:28Speaker 00

  I can't wait.

• 2:31Speaker 02

  Do you, are you aware of Bad Boys Done Good?

• 2:34Speaker 00

  Who?

• 2:35Speaker 02

  Bad Boys Done Good?

• 2:36Speaker 00

  No, what's that?

• 2:37Speaker 02

  It's a podcast with, uh, Joe Jacobs and Tom Ward.

• 2:41Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  And, um, basically it's, Joe Jacobs is playing you.

• 2:47Speaker 00

  Well, maybe I should have gone and done that one instead of this one.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe. I know, it's not, sorry, Tom Ward's playing you, Joe Jacobs is playing, uh, Tony Soprano.

• 2:56Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  So it's you and Tony Soprano, basically.

• 2:59Speaker 00

  Big shoes to fill, innit?

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, check it out.

• 3:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02Speaker 00

  Oh, I'll have a look.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  We've got your present.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  Bless you, I love a present.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  We've got a few, we've got a couple of things for you. Here's the first one.

• 3:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Obviously, you're a big West Ham fan.

• 3:12Speaker 00

  You've even wrapped it?

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  That means you care.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, really care.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Well, one of the minions, I don't care about wrapping it, but.

• 3:22Speaker 00

  Underpants.

• 3:25Speaker 00

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna wear them.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Are you?

• 3:28Speaker 00

  On the way home, no trousers.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  Just them.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Great.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  What do you think? Do you like, we, they're very, they're.

• 3:35Speaker 00

  Plenty of room at the front, which we like.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:38Speaker 00

  Makes it comfortable, or you get a bit itchy, don't you?

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Sure. I mean, I've had an itch for a while, but that's.

• 3:42Speaker 00

  And they're called odd balls, I've never seen them before, they're wonderful.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  The, the pouch is meant to be very supportive.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  There's a lot of room in there. I think I might have one hanging out.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Um, and we've also got you this.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Some little, um.

• 4:01Speaker 00

  Two presents.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Sicilian treats. See what you think of those. Um.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  We've got some olive oil, some pasta.

• 4:09Speaker 00

  Well, that's a bit obvious, isn't it? Pasta. I mean, would you think Italians just eat pasta?

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, as far as I'm aware.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I don't, I'm not suggesting that. I'm not suggesting that.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  I mean, be very, very careful.

• 4:26Speaker 00

  But it looks a good brand. Where's it from? Where's it made? Is it made in Italy?

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Yes, it's Italian, yeah.

• 4:31Speaker 00

  I won't go hungry, anyway.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  Oh, cannoli.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 4:35Speaker 00

  Got you by the cannolis. Yeah, Sicilian hazelnut. I haven't seen them before, give them a bang, yeah.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, great. Please, bang the shit out of them.

• 4:45Speaker 00

  Fucking hell, we gotta go for all of it.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  You don't have to if you don't want to, you can just take it.

• 4:48Speaker 00

  What's that one? What's that one? Ah, yeah, nice, that's a nice brand, eh?

• 4:52Speaker 02

  Great, great, great, alright.

• 4:53Speaker 00

  And that one, oh, hold it, it's good.

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Was that tomato sauce, Ray, that one?

• 4:57Speaker 00

  The lemon chip, no, was it? Yeah, sauce.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  Was it a sauce, yeah?

• 5:00Speaker 00

  This one here, lemon chalo, right? Now, when they make it themselves, right?

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Have you seen the video?

• 5:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, they do it in plastic bottles, right? They make it in plastic bottles. And my mate was making one once, you know, and lemon chalo gets a little bit boring at the time because it's a bit Moorish, you know what I mean? Now, when you make it, what we've done, we put coconut milk in it.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Coconut milk?

• 5:23Speaker 00

  In the lemon chalo.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:24Speaker 00

  Ah, mamma mia.

• 5:29Speaker 00

  And the trouble is then, when you drink it, you think, instead of having it, it's just a little sip, you know, like, oh, let's have another one then. We've done the bottle. And absolutely blotto, right? And the next morning, the hangover from hell kicks in, you know? So you don't do that too often.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Right, okay.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  But it's very nice.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  You like it? Happy? Happy with your gifts?

• 5:50Speaker 00

  Love you, I'm coming back again.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Great, great news, we'll see how the chat goes.

• 5:55Speaker 04

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• 6:24Speaker 05

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• 6:54Speaker 02

  Now, is it true, I read, um, a couple of years ago in this, uh, we were talking to The Guardian.

• 7:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  And you said you don't really wanna talk about acting. Is that true?

• 7:04Speaker 00

  Not when I finish work, when you go to work.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 00

  That's what you do, you know, and, uh, when you come away, it's like, I could never live in LA and something like that, you know? Because it's great to work there, I've had a ball there, you know, I've worked with some really lovely people. But when you come out of the gates at the end of the day from the studio

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 7:24Speaker 00

  and you go with something to eat, everyone, the waiter, the chef, the geezer owns the building, they all wanna be an actor.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Or they all wanna be in the film industry, that's why they're there, that's why they go there, you know, I understand that, I get it. When you come home at night, I don't know, you're probably a funny man at home, is it?

• 7:44Speaker 02

  No, they've never been to my house, these people.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  You've never left?

• 7:46Speaker 02

  These are fucking staff, mate. I, I would never invite them round, you're joking.

• 7:50Speaker 00

  Having a look at them, I don't blame you.

• 7:55Speaker 00

  I, I, I don't wanna go home, you know, my wife never says to me, you know, when she's home anyway, she never says to me, uh, how was it today, babe, you know? I mean, once she asked me.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  And the reason why was because I was kissing Angelina Jolene, you know, in a scene, you know?

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  And I, I guess there was another, you know, reason for her asking the question. How was work today?

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Did you enjoy it today?

• 8:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, you did. Did you have a good day at work?

• 8:20Speaker 02

  How committed to the bit were you?

• 8:22Speaker 00

  Yeah. Have I got anything to worry about?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 00

  Well, not from Angelina's point of view, no.

• 8:29Speaker 00

  You know, so, you know, I don't, I just wanna go home, forget about it, you know? I think subconsciously, when you, when you're resting and you've got work the next day, it's going through your mind, but you don't wanna talk about it, you know? I mean, to who?

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:45Speaker 00

  My mates are not interested in that, you know, they're wanting to think about West Ham or, you know.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  So do your, do your, do your friends, uh, uh, do they take, because you've acquired legendary status now, haven't you?

• 8:56Speaker 00

  Well, I like this show, it's a great show.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  Do they like, do they, are they amazed that, it's weird, isn't it, for them, I guess, to see a mate ascend to where you've got to?

• 9:08Speaker 00

  That's a really good question, and I'm surprised, but it's a very good question, right? Because none of my mates really think I'm any good as an actor.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 00

  Because they know me.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  You know, and I, it's like, I played Henry VIII, right? And, uh, none of my mates thought, how can he play fucking Henry VIII? He's from plaster, you know?

• 9:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  I went, Amber Lynn, you know, she was an Essex girl, so don't worry about that. So, and none of them liked it, none of them really got into it, you know? But I got letters from deans at Oxford saying, that's the nearest to Henry VIII we've ever seen. So I, I went very posh for a while. I thought, they know what they're talking about, you know? But it's funny how your mates, because they know all your little moves and the way you look and all, they don't like what you do necessarily. They don't necessarily tell you that.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  But you know, you just get that vibe, you know?

• 10:04Speaker 02

  But then, do you, what do you feel about it? Because I guess you start where you start.

• 10:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  And then you've got to where you've got to now.

• 10:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  Does it feel weird for you how big that's, that's been? Because you're, you're, you're in the upper echelon.

• 10:17Speaker 00

  It feels lucky, because I came along at a time when there wasn't many people about like me.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 10:22Speaker 00

  Right? And it was just after the kitchen sink dramas of the sixties, the seventies and all that plays for the day. So there was writers, writing characters, you know, like me. And so I, I got a chance to get, get in there by mistake and learn my trade with directors who wanted to teach you.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  You know, so if I'd have come along today, I'd, that if I'd have got a look in, you know?

• 10:48Speaker 02

  You think so?

• 10:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh yeah. Because I've had time to learn.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  You know, to get that chance, there's so many good kids out there, so many good, talented, young people out there. I know, because I worked with a lot of them, you know? And you go, my God, I was nowhere near that when I was their age.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 00

  And probably not today, you know? But, so you've gotta be something really special or have an Instagram sort of account that goes into the millions to actually get a job today, you know?

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:18Speaker 00

  I don't think I'd have been there, you know?

• 11:19Speaker 02

  I think, I think you're doing yourself a disservice.

• 11:21Speaker 00

  I see, I love this show even more.

• 11:26Speaker 00

  I'm just throwing him up in the air and letting you bang him out of the park.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yeah. Look, I'm just taking the opportunity to kiss the ring, mate.

• 11:32Speaker 00

  I actually could be his side man, his wingman.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  I just freed him all the time. Oh, sh, have that one, have that one.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Now, you've obviously played a lot of hard men in your life.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, yeah.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  How close is that to how you actually are?

• 11:47Speaker 00

  Not whatsoever, all right? Nothing like me whatsoever. You just draw on that. You draw on people you've met in your life, you know. And usually it's in the writing anyway. You read stuff. You don't necessarily have to play it that way.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:04Speaker 00

  Because the words do that. It's more interesting if you play the bad guy as the good guy and the writing tells you he's a bad guy because he does terrible things.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  You know, so it's down to the writing, I think.

• 12:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  In most things, you know.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  How do you, how much of it, when you're looking at a role, and it might have changed as you've, you know, as you've got more experience, but how, when you're looking at a role, how much are you trying to imprint? How much influence are you putting of yourself into that?

• 12:31Speaker 00

  Do you wanna do that again, that bit there?

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd love to actually, yeah, because it was a stumbling, wasn't it?

• 12:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was a bit stumbling.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  Right, when you're, when you're reading a character for the first time, how much of yourself do you try and imprint on that?

• 12:45Speaker 00

  I think you have to draw from your own experience.

• 12:49Speaker 00

  Don't you love him?

• 12:51Speaker 02

  I'm just trying to look like a proper interviewer, man, do you know what I mean?

• 12:54Speaker 00

  You can't do that. Relax.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Okay. All right.

• 12:58Speaker 00

  I think you have to draw in from your own emotions a lot of the time, you know, for me, anyway. I'm not, I'm not the sort of guy who reads books, you know. I couldn't read till I was 11.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  And it was actually through acting, you know, the, picking up scripts that I learnt to read, I think so. Some of the directors think, because I paraphrase everything, I still can't read.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  Do you read now much?

• 13:23Speaker 00

  No, not books, because you're reading scripts.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  Right, you ain't got time for that.

• 13:27Speaker 00

  You know, I mean, one of my favourite books I read was The Searchers. But I already knew the film, you know.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  And it's a great film, you know, but you can actually smell the prairie when you read the book. It's that well-written, you know. And you kind of, it's very small chapters. So when you're away and you're on your own and you're on some fucking island somewhere, you know, and there's nothing to do, and you pick that up and you read a chapter a night before you go to sleep, perfect.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:54Speaker 00

  You know, I mean, someone gave me Lord of the Rings once, I thought, I'd still be reading that now, you know. It'd go on forever, you know, when's it ever gonna end?

• 14:03Speaker 02

  I do feel like when a book is massive, when somebody gives you a big book, you just thought, I'm not even starting.

• 14:08Speaker 00

  No, it's, it's the feature. It's like getting a big plate at dinner, isn't it? You know?

• 14:13Speaker 02

  You just, yeah, it's too much.

• 14:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  What would you say is your favourite role you've ever played?

• 14:18Speaker 00

  It's quite, quite a few. I liked playing Injorbone, the boxing trainer, because it was based on my boxing trainer, a man called Tony Burns, who actually guided not just me but a lot of kids through our younger lives. You know, and the morals and the code that we live by today. And I'll put that down to him. So I enjoyed playing it and giving him that kind of, I don't know, I wouldn't say, uh,

• 14:48Speaker 00

  I wouldn't say, I wanted to put him on the map, but I just wanted to pay a little homage to him, you know? So I enjoyed that. Sexy Beast because he's a lover. Sexy Beast is a love story. And originally I was asked to play Don Logan, which Ben Kingsley ended up playing. And I looked at that as a man with Tourette's.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:10Speaker 00

  And that's how I'd have played that, you know, and would never have got anywhere near what Ben done in that, you know? I mean, it's amazing. I'm waiting for Gandhi to turn up, you know?

• 15:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 00

  And that's what it was like in the film. How is he gonna, what have I got to do to make this man scare me? You know, I didn't have to do anything, you know?

• 15:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you went into that thinking that was gonna be a challenge and then he brought what he brought to the role.

• 15:36Speaker 00

  Well, you know, you learnt so much working with him, you know, to be honest with you. So, but for me, I wanted to play the lover, you know, as a thief, not a gangster, thief. And playing, you know, opposite Amanda Redmond and all the cast and we had there was, was just a great experience, you know? And for me, very different in a way, even though it's classed as a gangster movie.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 00

  It's actually a love story. It's a love story between Ben, me, and the wife, Dee Dee, you know? It's this kind of circle, you know? And there's something very strange going on there, you know, something very surreal. I got really deep then, didn't I?

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, really good.

• 16:15Speaker 00

  Quite, you know, it's quite dramatic, really.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Do you know what? I think we'd probably clip that up and put like a bit of music on it.

• 16:20Speaker 00

  I think you should, the violin.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it probably dipped to black and white.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  And then, and then we'd probably caption it like Ray Winstone's scene like nobody's ever seen it before.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  Do it.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Now, you've got, you've got a swagger about you. When, when we, when people, when we were...

• 16:35Speaker 00

  How do you mean swagger? What do you mean by that? I don't see what swagger's got to do with it. Swagger's someone whose flesh who walks about giving it away.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  No, that's like, no.

• 16:45Speaker 00

  No, that's what you meant.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  No, that's not what I meant. No, that's not what I meant. I meant like, is it hot in here? I, I mean, I mean, like, you've got like a, when I watch you playing a hard man or whatever, I think anybody, you've got like this natural, you look like, do you know what I mean? You look the...

• 17:03Speaker 00

  Look like I'm gonna pounce.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  You've just got, you've just got a way of carrying yourself that's like, yeah, like when I'm watching, I wish I had like a fucking bit of that.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  No, you're not that man. You're not that man. You're a nice man. You don't wanna be that, you know? Why would you wanna be that?

• 17:18Speaker 02

  No, but you know what? What I mean, what I mean, what I mean is, like, you know, I just sort of look, I go, fucking nobody, nobody's gonna give a shit.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  See, you're swearing, you're gonna, you would make a really good actor, you know that?

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Do you think so?

• 17:30Speaker 00

  Well, because as you're talking and you're explaining what you're thinking, you actually get into that.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Calm, calm, calm. But that's, you got it.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Do you reckon I could do, like, do you think I could play a harp, like, do you reckon I'd be like, fucking, you, what? Do you know what I mean? Like, I start to get nervous. Like, do you think I could, like, what? Is it something that you learned or is it just, you've just got it? Because even, even when you're talking to me now, you've got an energy about you that's like authoritative, do you know what I mean?

• 18:00Speaker 00

  No, I'm just feeling very comfortable.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Right, okay.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  And you're making me feel very comfortable, you know? Yeah, I think your way of doing it is better because just stay calm. Because the calm ones are the ones you have to watch.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Do you wanna have a go at it? Do you wanna have a go at trying to be?

• 18:20Speaker 00

  Threaten me calmly.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Now, um.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing so loud?

• 18:32Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  I just made me laugh.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  If it helps from in the edit, we can put some tense music in and like build it up.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  Oh, that'd be good, wouldn't it? Oh, yeah, music, any help, he needs any help he can get.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, go on.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  It's really 180 on this feedback, if you don't mind me saying. It's a real rollercoaster getting acting coaching from you.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Go on.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Is it better close up or wider on?

• 18:55Speaker 00

  I would just go in slowly on him, yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Obviously I'm improvising this.

• 19:02Speaker 00

  I mean, it's difficult why he's got the dick in front of his face, but.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  It does sort of undermine your, your sort of hard man status when you're talking into a podcast mic.

• 19:14Speaker 00

  Don't do that.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  Don't do that. Was I doing that? Oh, right, okay.

• 19:17Speaker 00

  Fucking deep throat all of a sudden, isn't it?

• 19:20Speaker 02

  I thought you told me, I thought I was doing that without realising.

• 19:24Speaker 00

  Just pull the mic down a little bit because it looks a bit rude, do you know what I mean? No.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm ready.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Now, um.

• 19:35Speaker 00

  Why'd you start with now, um?

• 19:38Speaker 00

  Be direct.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Okay, direct, direct.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, but calmly.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Okay. What you'll find has happened here is you've disrespected me. And what you've decided to do is take my passiveness as a weakness. And that, my friend, is one of the top three mistakes you'll ever make. And the other two are pissing me off. What do you think? What do you think? Why do you look so cynical?

• 20:10Speaker 03

  I think we were waiting for the other one. You said...

• 20:12Speaker 02

  I know, do you know what?

• 20:13Speaker 00

  The one's, the one's a good one because you've got to think about, you all walk out of the room thinking, what was number one?

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you know what? Can I be honest with you? In the moment, I couldn't think of another two. That, that, that's, that's the honest truth. I, I, I said the first one and then I thought, fuck, you've painted yourself into a corner here.

• 20:29Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  So I didn't have any others.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  But I like the way you just left one, because it makes you think, what the fuck is one?

• 20:38Speaker 00

  I don't know, you know, makes you think about it, doesn't it?

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Um, thank you, Ray, that was a real honour, man.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  I thought that was wonderful.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  You think I've got something about me?

• 20:46Speaker 00

  Absolute a mondo, yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Don't start, thank you, don't start with now, erm, though.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  That's your top two.

• 20:51Speaker 00

  Well, I do that all the time, I think, I know I get it wrong.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  So you have to think that.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  I was doing a travel show.

• 20:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  And, um, you, you, you know, you're doing it with like people that come in and tell you about different things you're seeing in the country. At one point, the sandman came over to me and he said, um, from us, I just want to let you know, we've been filming for three days and you've started every question with so.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  It's gonna be a problem for them in the edit, so then you become so self-conscious about it. Anyway, it's not about me. The Gentleman, series two.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Congratulations.

• 21:22Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Um, unbelievable show.

• 21:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  Unbelievable show, it's, um, and you've also had a third series commissioned, so that's great.

• 21:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, which is good, yeah, good news, yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that takes the pressure off a bit, doesn't it?

• 21:36Speaker 00

  Well, I've done it for a minute, yeah.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  You're Ray Winstone, though.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  I, I, you never know, do you?

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 00

  You never know.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  I mean, look, for somebody like.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  There's all names flying about everywhere.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Who are they?

• 21:46Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Who are they to you?

• 21:47Speaker 00

  Who do they think they are?

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. Uh, now, obviously, you paid Bobby Glass.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Who's start series two, well, you're in prison, basically.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  And you're being quite disruptive from prison, aren't you?

• 21:59Speaker 00

  We're running the business, yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, in your own inimitable way.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Um, love a hot tub?

• 22:06Speaker 00

  Love a hot tub.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Love a bit of steam?

• 22:07Speaker 00

  Bit of steam, you gotta have a bit of steam.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Um, he's basically having a great time in prison, isn't he?

• 22:12Speaker 00

  The only way I can make it work in me head, you know, because it's a ridiculous situation, when you face it, you know, is that he actually owns the prison.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  He, he bought the land, he bought the prison, he built the prison, you know, this is his prison. He's doing his bit of porridge in his own place and he runs his business from it, it's his office, even the screws work room, you know. And it's the safest place for him is there, because it's very difficult for anyone to get to him. So that's the only way in my head I can make that work, because otherwise you'd say, are you sure?

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's, it's, um, it's a heightened reality, isn't it?

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, and you've got to buy into that.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:54Speaker 00

  You know, when I, when I first read sea, season one, you know, with the pigeons and all that.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  I like the pigeons, we got rid of the pigeons and I'm a bit gutted about that. I actually became very close to a couple of pigeons, you know.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  In what way?

• 23:07Speaker 00

  Well, just friendly, they were very nice, you know.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Well, how, how does, what does a pigeon's friendship look like?

• 23:12Speaker 00

  The way they look at you. I don't know, something, it was, you know, and you'd be gentle with them when you pick them up and all that, you know.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  And they look at you?

• 23:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, but the reason they had to go was because the messages I was sending them out of the prison.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  They were taken straight to the police, so they were stall pigeons. Stall pigeons.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Really good.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  Should have been stand up, I should have done stand up.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  You should have done, that would have been such a great opener.

• 23:38Speaker 00

  That came out of nowhere, that came out of nowhere.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  I thought you were making a serious point.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  I was trying, but I keep looking at you.

• 23:47Speaker 00

  I'm trying me best to be serious.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Well, the, the thing I think that's so great about The Gentleman is, it's, um, it's, uh, as I said, it's a heightened reality thing, but you don't, you're never bumped by that when you're watching it.

• 23:59Speaker 00

  No, I don't think so, that's what I was gonna get to when I was trying to be serious.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure, but then the stall pigeon joke came to you.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, that comes and helps me too. But it's, it's when I, when I actually first read the first series and I, and I, like, I went, I'm having this, you know.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  On paper, the first episode, crazy, right?

• 24:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm like, you know, and I went and had a little chat with Guy, once I talked to him, I went, okay, I get it now, you, you gotta buy into this, you know, and it's really about the politics of the country and, you know, the, the gentry. I mean, who are the gangsters here?

• 24:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  Well, that's what you gotta look at, you know, the people with the big houses, the lovely big houses, you know, go back generations, generations, go back to Henry the Eighth, Henry the Second, you know, to, to the Normans, to the Vikings, you know, how did they get the money in the first place to have all this land?

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 24:51Speaker 00

  And what power did they give them, the kings at the time, they're the gangsters. Now, their families, as they come down the line, are skinned. They can't pay for these big gifts anymore, you know. So what do they do? They have to get out of a bit of villainy, don't they? So people like us come along, the working class, and see a little niche in the market. And that's kind of what the show is, for me, anyway. We're always looked at, you come from East London, oh, gangster.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:18Speaker 00

  But no, there's loads of lovely, nice people there, you know, but you talk about the aristocracy or the gen, oh, no, it's funny, you know, so you go to sleep.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  Oh, I thought you went to sleep.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  No, I didn't go to sleep, no, I, if you, if, try, look across both, this one always sort of looks like.

• 25:36Speaker 00

  He's got lazy eye there, yeah, yeah. It's quite sexy, actually.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Do you think so?

• 25:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think so, you could use that.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 25:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, lazy, I can do that one, I can do that.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Fucking hell, brown up, you could do my tour.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, I'm gonna get a suntan when I go back to Malta.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, brilliant.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  So mate, and I've got the tash, you know, I can darken it down a bit, you know.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Um, it's, it's a really funny show, isn't it, as well? It, it's, there's a, you know, it's, it's, it's violent.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  There's a lot of crime.

• 26:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  It get, the, the stakes are high.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  It, it's one of those things where the pressure ratchets up as it goes on.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  But equally, it's very, very funny as well, isn't it?

• 26:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think you need that little relief, don't you? I mean, you've got to be careful when you're doing stuff with violence in it, you've got to go one way or the other, you either got to go, this is really nasty and it hurts, or you've got to take it the other level, right up the top, you know, not like we see in some films where they come out, rob a bank and they shoot thirty five people and there's no consequences for that.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 26:37Speaker 00

  It's just like bits of meat on the floor, you know, but, you know, you've got to see that sort of fear and you've got to see what that does, not just to the person who's getting it, but his family and how that re, react, the reaction takes it down the chain, you know what I mean? And I think we, we do that in The Gentleman with humour, you know, I think it's the only way to do that.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  How much, because obviously, you, you, you're working with Guy Ritchie.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Um, um, and he is known for, and I think you've talked about this a little bit, about the script changes right up to the, right up to the wire, right?

• 27:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  How does that, how do you work that into your preparation for it? I mean, you talked about.

• 27:16Speaker 00

  It's, it's really weird because you don't know from the beginning to the end, you'll pick a script up, you'll read it, you know the story, right? And that's normal, right? But with Guy, you'll read that script and when you finally see that script on the screen, it's nothing like the script.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  It's the way he's edited it, he'll edit it in different places, but what you learn in the first season with that, as long as you come to work knowing them four pages.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:43Speaker 00

  You know the character, when he gives you the new pages of four pages of dialogue, you know, you first go, fuck, right? You get there, it's easy to learn because you know it, you know the character.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:56Speaker 00

  Right, so you learn that and it's better.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:00Speaker 00

  So if someone's just changing something up for the sake of it, because they want to be Billy Big Bollocks or something, you know, you, and it's wrong and it's not good, then you've got something to moan about.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, and would you moan about it?

• 28:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, absolutely, yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  And would you do it in a diplomat?

• 28:16Speaker 00

  The times you have to change scripts because no one talks like that, no one says that, no one listens like that and no one loves like that.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  You know, what are we doing here? Have you never been, as a writer, never been out and seen any life?

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Is that how you give the feedback?

• 28:28Speaker 00

  Well, that's how, how inside I feel, yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Right, right, right, you wouldn't say that, you'd be more diplomat.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  Well, it depends how far down the road we're gonna go, you know, but with, when Guy sends you something back and, and an idea and you have a chat about it.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 00

  It's ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine, bang on the money and it's better. Now, you can't argue with that and it's like that, so you, you understand that all the way through the job and it's exciting, it keeps you on your feet, you know, when you get new, new material.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  You know, and, and it's good.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  You think, fuck, I can't wait to say it, you know.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  It's exciting, yeah.

• 29:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  And, but does it make it more difficult to, to prep?

• 29:08Speaker 00

  No.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 29:09Speaker 00

  I don't think so, because by that time you should be up and running in your brain and it, do you know what it actually does? It actually starts to keep cooking again, the brain is going, you know, there's nothing worse than turning up and being bored, you know?

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you're not actually in the room.

• 29:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're not doing it, you know, and you're not on the ball.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  And once you start going, picking up a script and learning it, you can learn it in ten minutes, four pages, if it's good writing, you can learn it, if it's shit, you'll never learn it.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:37Speaker 00

  You know?

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's why I struggled to learn my stand up. Um, um, when the first series came out.

• 29:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  It, it, it was, it was such a smash so quickly and I, I remember like, it's, you're getting this more and more rarely now, which is where, because there's so many options on TV.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  That everybody's talking about a show, but The Gentleman fell into that category, it's, it's everybody was talking about it.

• 30:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's funny because it came out of nowhere to me, I thought it was gonna be all right, good, you know, because I've seen his, his track record is so good, you know, but the, I, one of the funniest things I've seen on telly was the chicken scene.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  And it was, you know, it was so surreal.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  But the way the kid played it.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable.

• 30:22Speaker 00

  He's out, he's not, he's falling over, he's, you know, he's gonna get on that here, you know, and it's, it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen on TV, you know, other than Basil Forty bashing the car up or something, you know, but it, it was, it was literally that and I thought, how are you gonna top that?

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  How are you actually gonna do season two and top the way you had the first lot? You know, and I'm, I'm yet to see because I've only seen one episode.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  So I've got the rest to see.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Um, when Bobby Glass is frightening.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm bored now, yeah, you're bored now.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Are you bored?

• 30:55Speaker 00

  Don't you get bored?

• 30:55Speaker 03

  We're not bored.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  What do you mean? Why are you bored?

• 30:57Speaker 00

  You're just sitting here all day just talking.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  That's pretty, pretty much.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Do you know what, Ray, even if we don't have a guest, we carry on.

• 31:04Speaker 00

  Do you?

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  That's why I was wanry.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, we just.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  I mean, what the fuck do you talk about?

• 31:09Speaker 02

  They fire questions at me.

• 31:10Speaker 06

  We're still not allowed to talk mostly, it's just wrong.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:13Speaker 00

  Oh, is it a bit like that? You're, you're the listeners.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they, and occasionally I'll signal them.

• 31:17Speaker 00

  He's got free then, aye.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  I thought we were having a nice time, Ray.

• 31:23Speaker 00

  We are, no.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 05

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• 32:08Speaker 00

  That family wasn't real.

• 32:09Speaker 02

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• 32:10Speaker 07

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• 32:12Speaker 02

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• 32:15Speaker 05

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• 32:19Speaker 00

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• 32:23Speaker 05

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• 32:26Speaker 02

  Um, did you re- when did you realise it was a smash? And did it feel good knowing that you're involved in a b- in a big smash?

• 32:32Speaker 00

  Well, it's a first really for me because the stuff that I've done before, you know, is usually something with a social thing to say, you know, like nil by mouth. Um, Sexy Beast, when we do, it's a film, it's different for this, it's a series, but Sexy Beast didn't really hit it in, in England, in Britain, you know.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  It's gone on to become a cult.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  Because it went to America and the Americans told us how good it was. And then it came back to England. It's like, wake up, England, this is a blinding bit of work, you know. And so I'm not, I haven't really done anything that's been a smash hit, you know. Probably down the road somewhere, I can't remember that far back, right? But, you know, thi- this was a big hit. So when it actually happened, I don't, I don't fucking know. What does that mean? You know, a smash hit, it means we're gonna do some more.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's, that's the best news, right?

• 33:25Speaker 00

  Oh, touch, you know, touch, you know, a lot of them are thinking, oh, I'm a star now, I can walk down the street and sign autographs and all that. Oh, what, we're going back to work? Touch!

• 33:40Speaker 00

  And so, and a big surprise, big surprise. I mean, I shouldn't be surprised because of Lock, Stock, that he done and Snatch, you know, they were all hits, you know, and many more he's done since.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  But that's, I mean, that's a double-edged sword, isn't it? Because Guy Ritchie, Ray Winstone, obviously the whole cast are stacked.

• 33:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  But th- there's a double-edged sword of the level of expectation, do you know what I mean? Because it's, people, people go to that going, well, let's see what, what they come up with now.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  Well, Hugh Bonneville's, his hair still was the show. He was in his Barney. Fucking hell, he's got the, the brush back. Oh, well, saucy. If I, if I'd have known that, I'd have done that. I'd have put a wig on. He's fantastic. You see some of it, yeah. Yeah. He plays the mincer good and all, doesn't he? He's fine in it.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's amazing. He's amazing. Apart from you getting to do more.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  How much do you ca- like, how much do you care about the res- like, for you, is it the creating of it? That's the, that's the exciting bit?

• 34:42Speaker 00

  I quite like the being imprisoned bit because, I mean, they were talking, there was a little whisper of bringing him out of the net.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I heard, yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I went, no, hold on, oh, woo, woo, right? I said, the dynamics changed. If I come out, you know, and I've got Kaya, my daughter's running a business. Well, she ain't running a business no more, is she? So what are you gonna do? Where's she gonna go?

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:05Speaker 00

  You know, you leave me where I am, three days a week, once a month, right? And I, and I'm, I'm absolutely fine with that. I've got no problems with that.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  Banged up in a steam room, having a bit of Joe Blake, but a big, people come and see me. They come and see me sitting around the lake in the speedos.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 00

  Lovely. Right, I don't wanna be running about with a suit and tie on, like, threatening people, giving it large. Just there, manjari, and away you go.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Um, how do you make Bobby Glass, he, he's funny as, like, it's, it's some, he's a funny character, right?

• 35:44Speaker 00

  It's situations. It's, something the Yanks are very good at. I, I, I'm doing this thing out in Mortal and, um, and it's kind of the same.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  That's a gig, isn't it?

• 35:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, it's danger, man. It goes all the way to the December, right? And I was thinking, is his, is his script really that good? You know, I'm looking at it and it's like weird and all. And then I, by mistake, I watched this show. Uh, Normal, right, right? And it's, I was like, what, what's this all about? You know, and it's a guy, a sheriff, goes into a town, right? And there's all Japanese drug lords selling, you know, borrowing money. The whole town works for the Japanese cartel in America. This is like, a bit like Fargo, right?

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 36:26Speaker 00

  And, uh, there's mate, there's bodies everywhere, there's heads going everywhere, there's people getting blown up. Right, and it's all played like that, right? And I'm, it's funny.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  It's funny because the visuals are funny, the storyline's funny, the actors are straight.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  Playing it brilliantly.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:46Speaker 00

  And I went, oh, that's what it is.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  And they're good at it. In England, we're comedy, drama. And now we're trying to do that kind of humour, black humour, which you're straight and the rest of the world is falling apart.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  You know, and it kind of gave me a clue for the job we're doing at Immortal because it's that very similar kind of humour going on there. So tha- that was good. And I think in a way, that's what this show is, The Gentleman. Last year was very kind of played straight, heavy, violent. The humour came from the visuals that are around it, you know. And I'm kind of hoping that this season is, is the same.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, so when you're playing Bobby Glart, you know, because when, when Bobby's being menacing or whatever or running things, it is, the situation makes it fu- you know, because he's, he's turning the screw, right? So, but when you're playing that, you're not thinking of the humour at all?

• 37:46Speaker 00

  No, I've got two things to think about here because in the second series, like, it's like he's losing the plot.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 00

  You know, he's, he's becoming a little bit seen on, a little bit.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  He's starting to, he's starting to mess things up now.

• 37:56Speaker 00

  Imagination of, you know, certain things that are going on. But then you gotta think, which I thought about, uh, you know, along with other people, but is, is that the game he plays?

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  Because he's a shrewd nut and sometimes you show your weaknesses to people to find out what the reactions are and how they're gonna play the game.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  And you got it, mate?

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've got it.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  Think about that one.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  I've got it, yeah. And these guys need to think about it.

• 38:22Speaker 00

  You like to see, I see your lip go there. Your lip went, you, and it was almost like fucking, yeah.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  I'll give you, Ray.

• 38:28Speaker 00

  You'd like that.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  I know, you're right. I fucking love it, mate.

• 38:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, see, perfecto. He's got it, he's got it.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 38:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  Uh, what do you make of these rumours that Meghan Markle's in the next series?

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Meghan, Meghan Markle.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  In what? I've, I've never met her.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  You've never met her?

• 38:48Speaker 00

  No.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Next series.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  What, in The Gentleman?

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 00

  Oh, shut up. I don't think so.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  That's the rumour?

• 38:57Speaker 00

  What, and now who spreads these rumours?

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Well, Ben, you said it fir- you're the first person I heard it from.

• 39:02Speaker 06

  Just, just thought it might happen.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  He's always a wrong one, isn't he?

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, he is a wrong one. And it's not just on, and I make, not just on that, Ray, actually, I'm glad you've called it.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  Uh, right, Ray, we've got a question from my mother for you. It's recorded, she's recorded a little question for you. I don't know what it is, though.

• 39:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, can I see her?

• 39:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 39:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, I can show you a picture.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, oh, God, well, I'd like, I'd rather look at his mum.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Why are you going to your phone for a picture of my mum? You've, you've got a laptop there. Why have you gone to your phone?

• 39:29Speaker 00

  You're terrified of your mum, aren't you?

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:31Speaker 00

  You are. We all, we all terrified of our mums, aren't we?

• 39:34Speaker 02

  It's like some, if I, I like, I sort of take, you know, on the podcast, I, I, you know, I take the piss and we have a laugh. But if she really, really gets upset with me.

• 39:44Speaker 00

  Oh, no, don't.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean?

• 39:46Speaker 00

  No, I'm with you on this one.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  It's a fear that I, like, I don't get anywhere else in my life.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  Never. Do you know, my mum come home once and, uh, I was, I was, I was a young man and we'd obviously had a falling out or something. And she'd come upstairs and she's, and she's gone to give me a clump, right? And I was booked and I went, I'm like this, right? And so, we're out of temperature, she goes, why a coat hanger? Right? And to beat me with, right? And I, I've grabbed her arm, grabbed that arm, right? And we, and I've tripped on the bed and we both fell backwards on the bed and my mum landed on top of me. Right? This is the most embarrassing moment of your, your mum. Marilyn Monroe for her, yeah? Sweet. Your mum? Mum, mum, mum.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  Mate, I re- I remember honestly, like, because when you grow up, you think your parents are like infallible, right? And my mum used to like chase me around, like, when I pissed her off, she'd chase me around the house. She'd try and like give me a clip or whatever. And I remember once she was chasing me around and she tripped on something and fell over. And I remember thinking, I didn't know they could fall over. Do you know what I mean?

• 40:55Speaker 00

  It was your fault.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I'd just go, and she tripped over something I'd left on the floor.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck, it's even worse.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  I just thought, part of me was like, I hope she doesn't ever get up.

• 41:03Speaker 00

  I've just crumbled now.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 00

  All my persona never went out the window. And make up!

• 41:11Speaker 00

  Jesus Christ.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Right, let's hear what she's asking you.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Oh, come, Mum.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Hi, Ray.

• 41:15Speaker 00

  Hello, Mum.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  I heard one of your daughters is doing Strictly this year. Congratulations. Romeo has two left feet. I don't think we'll be seeing him on there any time soon.

• 41:28Speaker 00

  Two left feet.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  How do you think you'll feel watching your daughter on Strictly? I'm, I'm sure she will do beautifully. Wish you all the best. Look forward to seeing you one day. Have a good day. Bye bye.

• 41:47Speaker 00

  Bye bye. Ah, I love you, darling. Well, you know what? My daughter's going on Strictly Come Dancing. She gets the dancing from her mother, but yeah, I'm very proud of Jamie. It's gonna be very hard work, you know, to do it. But get her fit, she'll be as fit as a butcher's dog by the time she's finished. And so, yeah, I'm very proud of her and thank you for your best wishes, alright? I'm looking after your son at the moment. He needs some looking after, doesn't he?

• 42:16Speaker 02

  What, um, how did you feel when Jamie told you she's doing it?

• 42:19Speaker 00

  I'm a Thursday. I went, you're doing what?

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  I said, you're not a celebrity. You wanna be an actress, don't you? Yeah, you don't wanna be doing all that, like going in the jungle and all that business.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 00

  So leave that right out. Dad, it's a different world.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  And it is a different world today. I mean, I'm stuck in, I'm a dinosaur, you know, I'm stuck back there. But today, it's about, as we discussed earlier, it's about how many followers you got on Instagram, it's, you know, YouTube and... I don't know, I don't even know how to press the button half the time, you know, it's... And that's what it is, you know, kids today, when, when we were younger, we'd go up for a job and you'd sit down and you'd meet the director, if he was lucky enough to get in the room. You know, and it was about the chemistry between you and the director, maybe the writer, you know, and maybe the producer. But you got in the room and you talked, you conversed with one another, you know? Today, they're sending the tape.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  I don't know how they cast. I don't know how, because there's gotta be a chemistry between the director, you know, and some, and the writer and the other actors. And you only get that chemistry by meeting and looking in one another's eyes and talking, you know? It is a different world. I'm not so sure it's a better world.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 43:36Speaker 00

  I'm talking about from the work point of view.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I get it.

• 43:38Speaker 00

  In our industry, so, yeah. But I'm very, I'm very proud of Jamie. She's, um...

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Are you gonna go and watch?

• 43:44Speaker 00

  Well, I'll be in mortar, thank God.

• 43:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Strictly in mortar, right? We're moving the whole thing, right? I'll be in mortar work until December.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:58Speaker 00

  But, but, you know, I've got to support her.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  Because what she's doing. And I'll, I'll fly home one weekend, you know? Um, our little Danny, Danny Diaries daughter's in it, young Danny, you know?

• 44:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:11Speaker 00

  So, and we go back a long way, you know, we, I've known Danny many, many years. Worked with him a couple of times as well, so, and his little girl's a lovely kid, you know, she's a good girl. So, yeah, I, I will do, maybe we'll, we'll meet up and me and Danny, while we watch, had two daughters, probably, you know, do their thing and me and Danny can have a fight in the audience.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  Which would be kind of a nice one. End strictly for, for good.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Mate, that would be unbelievable.

• 44:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, that was a liberty, that was. Then your daughter took the liberty there. Imagine having a family. Strictly Come Dancing finishes. The Diaries and the Winstons blow it up.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd love that. Josh should be gutted.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Now, you, uh, what's your...

• 44:53Speaker 00

  Does Josh, does he like?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Josh Whittaker, Josh Whittaker's hosting it then?

• 44:57Speaker 00

  No!

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Who is?

• 44:58Speaker 00

  I have a word.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Mate, I tried to.

• 45:00Speaker 00

  I have a word.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:01Speaker 00

  Alright, it's lovely.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  What do you want me to say, just to...

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Well, you know what to say.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  I got you, mate, don't worry about that.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  Lovely, he's a wee wingman.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Um, how important is being at home to you? Because obviously you've done so much stuff.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  I, I'm very good to the wife. I very rarely go home. She's, it's, it's, it's everything, isn't it? But your kids grow up, my kids, you know, in their forties now, twenty-five, the youngest. They're all out in the world, you know, they're doing their thing. And you're left there sitting like that, so... I like to get out and about a little bit, you know?

• 45:38Speaker 02

  You don't like, you're not homebody then, would you say?

• 45:41Speaker 00

  Home is where your family is, you know? Brick's a mortar, something else, you know? Um, yeah, I, I love, I like Essex. I like Essex a lot. I, I like Sicily. I like the way of life in Sicily. I like getting out the car and going, whew, relaxed.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:03Speaker 00

  You know? Away from all that mayhem. That's what I like, you know? And it's great when the family's there, but that's when the complications come. You know, when all the family's together, that's when it all goes off.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  You know, and, uh, you know, I'm, I'm kind of, it's like watching Little House on the Prairie, you know? Inside my head, you know, we all live together lovely. Isn't it wonderful, you know? And your little girl running across the field and all that, and you're sitting there, and you're... And it's the beauty of it. That ain't reality, you know? Reality is a fisticuff and, you know, you ever, have you got girls?

• 46:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Ben's got girls.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, Ben, yeah. They love one another, but they wanna kill one other. What's the matter with them?

• 46:46Speaker 06

  I, I saw yesterday Poppy jump kick, uh, Amelie in the head there, and she's only four.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 46:51Speaker 06

  Like a proper, like, like, honestly, like a kung fu.

• 46:53Speaker 00

  You're bringing them up right, kid.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, were you proud?

• 46:55Speaker 06

  I was really proud.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  Really proud.

• 46:56Speaker 06

  I worked on her technique a little bit afterwards, like, but...

• 47:00Speaker 02

  It sounds like from that, she could probably take you.

• 47:02Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, but I always had that, like, if I'd been working for a long time, and then I think, exactly like you just said, I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna have dinner with the boys, you know, and Lisa, it's gonna be so lovely, family time. And then within five minutes, one of them's going, like, you're gonna, you're gonna die a virgin, you are. I can't, I can't believe how fucking ugly you are. Imagine being as ugly as you. And I'm just like, shut up, shut up! Can we not just have one dinner? Where you're not ripping the shit out of each other.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  One, one dinner, it's all yours.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  I'm on the phone to my agent, get me another fucking job, travel show. Three months, yeah.

• 47:36Speaker 00

  It's true, isn't it?

• 47:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, now, you turned down a part in The Wire, the lead in The Wire.

• 47:42Speaker 00

  I think it was The Wire, it was The Wire or the other one. I can't remember. It was shot in Philadelphia, right? And, you know, I'd rather be in Philadelphia, whatever it is, right? And it's, at the time, and it, I met the guys who were producing it, you know? They were really lovely, really nice guys, intelligent, good writers, as you know, you've seen the show, you know? And it was seven months in the first series to be, I think it was Philadelphia, somewhere like that. And it was seven months next season. And I thought, well, there's options here. I go, don't see me kids and me wife for seven months, because they were little, they were grown, or I bring them to Philadelphia.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  Mommy, daddy.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  You're not having that, you're not having that.

• 48:28Speaker 00

  Well, then we're British.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:30Speaker 00

  You know, mum, dad.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 00

  That's what you want, isn't it? You know? Oi! You don't want mommy, daddy, you know? Yeah, mommy, daddy. And I just think of the gun culture

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  of America, you know? Your kids going to school, you know, checking for guns. No, we didn't have that shit then, you know? And it's like, nah.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  You make, you gotta make choices, choices in life, you know?

• 48:57Speaker 02

  So you don't regret that?

• 48:58Speaker 00

  No, not one bit.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:00Speaker 00

  In fact, the show was better for me not being in it. The guys who played it was blinding, you know? You know, no, it's true, you know? You know, that's how it should be. Well done.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I...

• 49:12Speaker 00

  How's your ki-, yeah, how's your kids, by the way?

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  But no, but the thing is, I think that's quite a health, like, to me, that's a really, it's actually quite an amazing thing. They offered you the show, right? You said no.

• 49:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  The show goes ahead, it's a success, you watch it and can appreciate it. Mental health wise, that's a pretty great place, that's a pretty great place for you to be.

• 49:36Speaker 00

  I'm not an emotional person, you see.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 49:38Speaker 00

  There's nothing going on in there. It's just that, you know?

• 49:40Speaker 02

  I get it.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  Just violence and horror.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, everything's on the surface, I understand.

• 49:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, you got it, yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  There's no depth to it, mate.

• 49:46Speaker 00

  Manipulation, you know, manipulate.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. I sometimes pretend I've got more to me, but I...

• 49:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I, I catch you out sometimes.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do. Very one dimensional. Um, now, you talked about, um, are you working with Danny Darr again soon?

• 49:58Speaker 00

  We just finished.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 50:00Speaker 00

  We'd done a British movie, really good writer, good directors, you know, fucking great. Four and a half weeks it took to shoot.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  That's the way that goes at work. In, bosh.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 00

  Out, right? And it was one, Leslie Sharp, you know?

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  Terrific actress, you know? And, uh, and knocked that out. And you know when you, you really enjoy turning up the work? That was one of them moments. Because there's no time to think about it, it's just bang, bang, bang, bang, get on with it. You know? We ain't got the money to worry about anything, you know? Oh, it needs a jacket for this scene, Lynch's jacket, mate, you know, put a jacket. It's that kind of, it in the road guerrilla warfare, making films, that we used to do many years ago. Now, I'm sounding really like, you know, oh, the old days and all that, right? But, you know, there's something about...

• 50:49Speaker 00

  Going to work where everyone has to mess about getting there, no union rules where they go, oh yeah, I can't move that, I can't pick up that can because my unions are different. And then none of that shit, just get on with it. Make a film, you're there because everyone wants to make a film. Everyone wants to be there. And that's the greatest feeling in the world, you know. And, you know, you're out in the move tables, you know. Well, I don't that often, but I mean, I'll have a go now.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  What I like, what I like to do, right, is to offer.

• 51:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, offer.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  And then they say no, and then you look like a legend.

• 51:19Speaker 00

  What a nice guy he is.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, so down to earth.

• 51:22Speaker 00

  You're clever, you're smart.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if they actually said, yeah.

• 51:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  I go, you're joking.

• 51:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, get him, get him off the set.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  He's gone, he's gone.

• 51:30Speaker 00

  You won't see him again.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  You, obviously, you and Danny ma- massive West Ham fans.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  How are you feeling about this season?

• 51:36Speaker 00

  It's a very difficult league to get out of.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 51:38Speaker 00

  You know, and we ain't quite, we ain't clicked yet, whether we will or not is another thing, you know. Um, we got a win the other night, which we were, I didn't see the game.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  It was four two, wasn't it?

• 51:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, four two, but I didn't see the game because I was busy working.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  I was at a culture award, uh, not award, um, for Esquire.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  I went, culture, I got, me, talk about culture.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  You were a culture guy.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  Well, it's kind of intellectual, isn't it? I'm like.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:03Speaker 00

  But someone asked me.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  What, what, what?

• 52:05Speaker 00

  Me.

• 52:05Speaker 02

  You won an award?

• 52:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think they thought it was another Raymond, you know. And it was like, I, me, no, it wasn't an award, it was just a chat with an audience.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Oh, a culture chat.

• 52:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was really weird because we were talking about, you know, where you come from and where, where you brought up from and how you got from where there, there to where you are now, which is, oh yeah, okay, fine.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 52:26Speaker 00

  So I'm sitting here and I said, you know, I used to go to work with my dad, I was a Barrett boy in Spillfield's market, I worked in the fruit market. With my dad from an early age, on a Saturday, I'd be ten, eleven years of age, going to market with my dad on a Saturday, you know, when I weren't at school. And, uh, one morning I didn't get up, the alarm or something didn't go off, I was supposed to be up at two o'clock in the morning, you know. And he, he just didn't wake me up, he just went downstairs, got a bucket of water and threw it over me, right? And that woke me up, I never was late again, right? And the audience, oh.

• 53:01Speaker 00

  Couple of people, I went, what? A woman went, uh, would you do that to your daughters? I went, yeah. Fucking right, I would, yeah, yeah. I said, didn't do me any harm, you know, that old thing we said, didn't do me any harm. I said, I love my dad. You know, my, my dad, that was the foundations of everything I learnt about your responsibility, getting up and going to work, being early and doing, doing your stuff. That's what it taught me.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Um, do you, like, when you, when you said that and they react like that, do you worry about stuff like that?

• 53:33Speaker 00

  No, because I, I, I think something had to happen.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's gone right over there.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:41Speaker 00

  You know?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Uh, and I, you believe it's an overcorrection?

• 53:44Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, but I think it needs to be.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:46Speaker 00

  Because once it goes over there, it certainly settles down and come back and it'll settle. And I notice it on film sets that it's better already.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  Because the people that are coming in, who have to go in to do this H R, is it called an H R kind of?

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:00Speaker 00

  Thing, right? The people that come in and get that, it changes them because they're the new lot, right? And the respect that's shown on set now and the way the women who work on sets feel much more relaxed. It's much more re- re- respect going on and there's much more, I don't know, people just feel more at ease. It's got rid of all the shit, you know, so I think it's a really good thing.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 00

  It's just gone a little bit crazy.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Got you.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  If you don't go past the line, you can't come back to the right place again, you know.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  It's a great way of looking at it. Do you know, can I tell you something?

• 54:36Speaker 00

  What?

• 54:37Speaker 02

  That's a great answer, I would start using that, have you used that before?

• 54:40Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, I've registered it, by the way.

• 54:45Speaker 00

  So every time you use it, I get a few quid, it's fine.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Okay, right, fine, fine, I can't say it then. Uh, right, we're gonna play a little, I know you, I know you love games, Ray.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Fucking games, we play games.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  You were saying beforehand, you love a game.

• 54:55Speaker 00

  Oh, go on then.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  What did you say, I fucking hate having to do games is what you said.

• 54:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, I love games.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  It's misquoted, this game's very easy, I'm gonna say some things.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Well, is it easy because you think I'm stupid?

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, uh, no, no, no, no, it's, it's easy, it's easy.

• 55:14Speaker 00

  It's a fair answer.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  No, it's, it's easy because we're not gonna be, it's no, it's, it's just a verbal game, I'm gonna give you some quotes, you tell me if you think you said them or not. That's all it is.

• 55:26Speaker 00

  Oh, all right, yeah.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  And some of them, we might have changed what you said, a little bit.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  Oh, careful.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Okay. Um, here's your first one, did you say this or not?

• 55:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  North London is a foreign country, they do things differently there.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  I didn't say that, but it's, I think that.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Right, you did say it.

• 55:43Speaker 00

  I did.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  I don't, I was probably pissed.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  You said it to the Times, but it was about, in, in your defence.

• 55:56Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, but you told the Times anything, didn't you? I mean, I told the geezer once, I was actually born, he was saying about you being a cockney.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:04Speaker 00

  He's saying the London boy and all that, I went, excuse me, I was actually born in Glasgow. Right, he went, what? So I was born in Glasgow, raised in Australia, and I'm very good at accents, I picked up the London accent when I came back. It was printed in the papers. I don't like the boy, because you get bored, you know what I mean, just say anything, you know.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Do you still feel like that about North London?

• 56:25Speaker 00

  North London, well, yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Um, okay, here's your next one, yeah, so you got that one wrong.

• 56:32Speaker 00

  Where do you live, North London?

• 56:33Speaker 02

  No, I don't, I live in Crawley.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  Where?

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Crawley.

• 56:36Speaker 00

  Do you live in Crawley? I'm near Gatwick.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:41Speaker 00

  So, so you can get away quickly, like, oh, it's fucking, who would live in fucking near Gatwick? Who in their right mind is that coming to Surrey?

• 56:49Speaker 02

  It's on the border, yeah.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  It's the cheap version of Surrey, yeah, yeah. You ain't quite made it yet enough to get the big house down the road, have you?

• 56:58Speaker 02

  All right, fucking hell, what a takedown.

• 57:02Speaker 00

  Genuinely.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  All right, basically, in twenty seconds, you made me think I need to speak to my therapist.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  You need to talk to your agent.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Uh, okay, here's your next one.

• 57:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  I've done some crap, I regret some, but you have to go to work and pay the bills.

• 57:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I said that.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did, said it to the I P A P.

• 57:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Um, when, so, so have you accepted jobs in the past that you thought this is not great?

• 57:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  But I need to pay the bills.

• 57:26Speaker 00

  Need to pay the bills, yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  I do, I don't know what you think about this, but I think.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  We're working boys.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, this is the thing, right, so sometimes, you know, I remember when I first went to Edinburgh.

• 57:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  They would go, um, uh, some, some of the shows here, um, are, are people expressing themselves creatively and they might not be commercially da, da, da, but this is what they're doing. And then, and then they'd go, and other comedians are just, you know, trying to sell tickets, but, and I, I just think it's such an elitist thing where some people think like, I, I have to pay my bills doing comedy, right?

• 57:59Speaker 00

  This is what I do.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  It doesn't, it doesn't change what I'm doing, but.

• 58:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  The idea that you, you're trying to make ends meet for doing your thing, like, that for some reason is a, is a horrible thing to do, it's so mad, isn't it?

• 58:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're crafters.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:12Speaker 00

  And we ain't always at work.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  You know, sometimes we don't get work.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, listen, I've worked my arse off.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  The taxman still wants his bit.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've worked my arse off and I still, I'm in a fucking flight path.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? Okay, here's your next one.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  Hmm, I'm an education, you know.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, you really are.

• 58:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, genuinely, it's.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  We'll have a rabbit after about it.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, all right. Um, here's your next one, never good enough to be a pro, never dedicated enough either, but I had ninety-nine fights and I won ninety.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  One thing's wrong with that.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 58:42Speaker 00

  I did say that.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:43Speaker 00

  But it's eighty-eight fights and I won eighty.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  That is absolutely bang on. Come on, mate.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  Well, I did say it.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  You, yeah, no, fair, no, no, fair enough. No, fair enough, yeah, no, that's true, yeah. Well done for remembering something you said, right?

• 59:03Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Okay, so the applause is patronizing.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  I think we got that.

• 59:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was patronizing, yeah, yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Sorry about that.

• 59:10Speaker 00

  Outrageous.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  All right, here's your next one, you're doing really well at this, by the way.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  I sounded a bit patronizing.

• 59:15Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Um, I'm a big Bollywood fan, I think it'd be great if British film and Bollywood got together, we might give the Yanks a run for their money.

• 59:22Speaker 00

  Yes, I said that.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  So you're a Bollywood fan?

• 59:24Speaker 00

  Because I had an idea years ago about getting like a, an Indian story.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  Uh, and a British story, because Bollywood's massive.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:32Speaker 00

  You know, and getting, and the culture in our country now, there's lots of Indian, you know, everything, we even eat the food. You know, for fuck's sake. I love a ruby, I miss a ruby when I'm away too long, right, so, and to put that together with maybe a British actors, Indian actors in an Indian fairy story, or even a British fairy story, would be massive.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it would be.

• 59:53Speaker 00

  You know, I don't know whether anyone's ever tried to do it.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  No, so if, if you knew any Asian guys that did that.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  You could be in that, couldn't you?

• 59:59Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:00:01Speaker 00

  Dancing, giving it large.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely, you know, threatening people.

• 1:00:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Okay, here's your, here's your, this is your last quote.

• 1:00:08Speaker 00

  Oh, I was so enjoying it.

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Cheers, mate.

• 1:00:14Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Uh, John Malkovich and me don't fuck around, did you say that?

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, I probably would, yeah, I like John and all, he's a good man.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Hmm, well, it's not quite what you said.

• 1:00:23Speaker 00

  Oh, right, okay.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  And what you said is.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  I didn't say I fucked him, did I?

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  No?

• 1:00:28Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  No, you didn't say you fucked him, John Malkovich is a good kisser. I spent the best part of a day kissing him on the set of Ripley's game. It wasn't a patch on the day I spent smooching with Angelina Jolie for bail off mine, as workdays go, that was one of the best.

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  It's hilarious. I like that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did I say that?

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  I did not say that.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it goes on to say, I used tongues. I went for the reach around, but he wasn't having it. No, I did that.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  Did I strap one on? You had to get me back.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Uh, that was great. That's the game I view be happy to say.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  Is it?

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  That's the end of the game and it's almost the end of the podcast, right? Yeah, it is. I know you're gussied for the interview to come to a close.

• 1:01:17Speaker 00

  No, I don't wanna go. I'm gonna cancel the mortar trip.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Uh, no, Ray, it's been an absolute honour to chat to you. We like to end the podcast on a bit of a big moment.

• 1:01:27Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  So what I'd love is some sort of exclusive, either a dream, something you've never said publicly, or the best advice you've been given. Any of those would be great.

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  Well, the best advice was don't go on that show. Right? But I had a reoccurring dream when I was a kid.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Great.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  Right? And, uh, this is deep.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Right? It's not a funny one.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Can we go black and white and?

• 1:01:52Speaker 00

  Go black and white on this, right? And the dream was, and I must have been five to six years of age, and I don't know where it come from because I'm terrified of lions.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:02Speaker 00

  Well, I walk into a zoo, the lion goes crazy. You don't can smell your fear, you know? Anyway, so I'm having this dream and I'm standing there in Africa. Right? And there's the trees and all that, and the Serengeti and all that. And there's lions eating a family. They're eating them.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  And banging into them and lumps of flesh out. And I know in my head when I'm watching it,

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  that it's my family. They're eating, right? Fucking blinding, yeah? Shit yourself, right? I had this dream probably eight, nine, 10 times that I remember.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  Cut, right? Later in life. I'm working in Africa. I'm in Cape Town, right? Do you wanna go on safari? No. Fuck. No, fucking no. Right? I really don't. The last thing on my mind to do is I wanna go on safari. All right? And if you mention it again, me and you are gonna have a problem. We ain't going on safari, right? Right, so you don't wanna go on. I don't wanna fucking go on safari, right? Finito. My Jamie. Hello, babe. How are you doing? Yeah. Dad, are you enjoying the job? Yeah, it's all fine. I said, what are you up to? She said, I'm going on safari. You ain't going on safari. Why? Why?

• 1:03:34Speaker 00

  I just don't go on safari. Don't want you messing about and fucking with animals and fucking all that and things we don't know about. Don't go on safari. All right, Dad, all right, yeah. Okay.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  About a week later. Hello, babe. Where you been? I've been on safari. Shit myself. I actually shit myself. And it worried me, one dream for the rest of my life worried me. My kids, or anything, go anywhere near a fucking lion, I'm terrified.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  So would you still never now go on safari, ever?

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  Ever. Fuck that, no.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  There's something in your head telling you don't do it. Normally don't fucking do it. And I mean, that's it.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I get it.

• 1:04:19Speaker 00

  You know, because it's too late when you're laying there, and you're saying dreams are all bollocks anyway. You're laying there and there's a lion eating your stomach out while you're looking at it, right? Get ripping open your stomach.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  I thought this might happen.

• 1:04:29Speaker 00

  I wish I'd have listened to my dream. Really? Do you really wanna? Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Um, Ray, you're an absolute legend. We're so grateful to you for coming to talk to us. It's been an amazing chat. Please give it up for Ray Winston.

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I love you to death, kid. You're a brother.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

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• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  We can't promise good advice, but you might end up on the show. See you soon.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

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