Lisa Fallon Mindel: Whole Body Beautiful

Today Julie Piatt and I sit down with our friend, the gorgeous, multi-talented multi-hyphenate Lisa Fallon Mindel. International fashion model, accomplished (aka very fast) age-group triathlete, mother & wife, Certified Health Coach, and fellow (plant-based) holistic wellness advocate and sometimes Kauai dweller, Lisa is a fount of great information and insight with a refreshing and inspiring holistic mind-body-spirit approach to wellness under her banner WholeBodyBeautiful program and website. Julie and I hope you enjoy the conversation! Thanks for listening! Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Rich Roll?

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• 1:05Rich Roll?

  Welcome to episode 29 of the Rich Roll Podcast with Lisa Fallon-Mindel.

• 1:22Rich Roll?

  Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. My name is Rich Roll. This is the Rich Roll Podcast. What do I do here? I talk about health. I talk about fitness. I talk about nutrition, plant-based nutrition, vegan nutrition, all different kinds of nutrition, how to clean up your plate, and how to move your body, how to access and actualize a better, more authentic version of yourself. That's my goal. So, I've had nutritionists, I've had professional athletes, I've had doctors, I've had entrepreneurs, I've had all different kinds of people on the show. Generally, people who are on the cutting edge of health, fitness, and wellness.

• 2:07Rich Roll?

  A lot of paradigm-busting, open-minded people who are here to hopefully widen your perspective. Generally, people that I've had the good opportunity of meeting along this journey. That I've been on that kind of kicked into high gear last year when I wrote a book that came out called Finding Ultra. And it's been my sort of honor and good fortune to be exposed to a lot of amazing people. And I started this podcast really as a means of being able to kind of share, share, spread the wealth around, I guess, with all this amazing information that's coming into my life.

• 2:47Rich Roll?

  So hopefully you can then incorporate it into your life and share it with the people around you. And we kind of have a domino effect of health and wellness and fitness because we need it. Obesity rates are through the roof. Heart disease rates are insane. And these sort of Western illnesses that we are succumbing to need not exist. With simple dietary and lifestyle alterations, they can be eradicated. And part of my mission and my passion is to try to help people make better choices and hopefully in turn improve the quality of their life.

• 3:31Rich Roll?

  So, anyway, we have a great show for you today. That's completely in line with what I just said. Lisa Fallon-Mindel, who is a friend of my wife Julie and I, we met her when we were in Kauai, spending time, living in the yurts at Common Ground and working at the organic farm. And she splits her time between Los Angeles, where she lives in Topanga Canyon, and Kauai. She's a mom, she's got a bunch of kids, she's a very, very competitive, accomplished triathlete, and she is a health coach. So she works with people to improve their nutrition, improve their fitness.

• 4:13Rich Roll?

  And she's, she's a, she's a really neat woman. She has a lot to share and her message is quite uplifting and positive. So I was really happy to have her come in and sit down. Actually, I had originally booked her a couple of weeks ago. She was going to come in and do the show and she wiped out on her bike and like broke or cracked like six ribs and she was going to come in and do the podcast anyway. I was like, listen, we can reschedule, it's okay. So she's tough as nails, she's a competitor.

• 4:46Rich Roll?

  She's also has some other interesting things in her life. She talks about being a mom, raising kids, trying to, you know, teach her kids proper lessons about nutrition and how to eat and how she fits her training into her busy life. So we get into all of that stuff. So you can, if you're, if you don't want to buy any products, you can still support the show by using the Amazon banner ad at richroll.com. Just click that banner ad on the right-hand margin on the blog page or the podcast page. It'll take you to Amazon, buy whatever you were going to buy already, like my paperback, which comes out pretty

• 5:26Rich Roll?

  soon, the 21st of May, or anything else. It won't cost you anything extra and it throws a couple pennies in our jar. We also have a donate button. If you just feel like you've gotten a lot out of the show and are feeling charitable and want to support us, you can throw a couple bucks our way and keeps us going. And we've gotten quite a few donations and I'm really touched by people who would sort of reach out, reach into their pocket and contribute to help us keep doing what we're doing. I've loved doing the show. I want to keep doing the show. It takes up a tremendous amount of my time, but I'm committed

• 6:08Rich Roll?

  to it and trying to make, make, find a way to make it work so I can get two podcasts up a week. Right now I'm at about one a week and I'm trying to get some infrastructure set up, hire a producer and create some systems so that I can do two a week and it doesn't completely disrupt my entire life because, because I believe in it and I think we're doing a good thing here and we've gotten great feedback and I just want to keep it going. So help me out. Help me keep it going.

• 6:48Rich Roll?

  All right, so that's it for all of that stuff. Let's just get into the show. Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy Lisa Fallon Mindel.

• 7:21Rich Roll?

  All right, we're back. Julie Piatt's back on the podcast. It's been a while.

• 7:24Julie Piatt?

  It's been a while.

• 7:25Rich Roll?

  She quit the show, but she had to be talked back into joining us.

• 7:29Julie Piatt?

  I'm happy to be back. It's nice to see you, Rachel.

• 7:33Rich Roll?

  Where did you go?

• 7:34Julie Piatt?

  Been away, working on some stuff, seeing some people.

• 7:38Rich Roll?

  So I had to, like I said before, I had to schedule a podcast so that we could have a conversation face to face.

• 7:43Julie Piatt?

  It's great to just get deep and real with each other on the podcast.

• 7:48Rich Roll?

  No, it's funny, we had a conversation earlier. We had a, we had a conference call and I was somewhere and you were somewhere else, but we were both on the call. And it was one of those things where you have to dial the, the special number and put the PIN number in. And you were like, we need one of these for our marriage, so we could set up a conference line for us.

• 8:05Julie Piatt?

  Call in, call in and get real. It's time to focus.

• 8:10Rich Roll?

  I know.

• 8:11Julie Piatt?

  It's kind of nice, actually. Felt like you were in some faraway place.

• 8:15Rich Roll?

  You like it that way.

• 8:18Rich Roll?

  There's some distance there.

• 8:20Julie Piatt?

  I didn't mean it like that. It just felt, it felt new and different.

• 8:25Rich Roll?

  Really?

• 8:26Julie Piatt?

  Let me put it that way. But anyway, I'm psyched to be on with the lovely Lisa Fallon.

• 8:30Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Hey Lisa, how you doing?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Good. How are you?

• 8:33Rich Roll?

  Good. Thanks for coming over here. We had some scheduling stuff, but I'm glad we finally corralled you into coming over here.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's fun. Thanks for having me.

• 8:41Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's good to be, it's good to have you. And we've got lots of sort of points of intersection and interest. Kauai.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  We do.

• 8:49Rich Roll?

  The Santa Monica Mountains, triathlon, swimming, biking.

• 8:54Julie Piatt?

  Nutrition.

• 8:55Rich Roll?

  Wellness, nutrition.

• 8:56Julie Piatt?

  Plant.

• 8:57Rich Roll?

  Raising kids.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Plants.

• 8:59Rich Roll?

  Eating plants. Like where do we start?

• 9:01Speaker 02

  I don't know. Lots to talk about.

• 9:03Rich Roll?

  We could just talk about something else completely, like, you know, like.

• 9:07Julie Piatt?

  Let's do a curve ball.

• 9:08Rich Roll?

  Where do you take your car to get fixed?

• 9:12Julie Piatt?

  No, but it was really, really amazing because Lisa and I met just for about a 20 minute coffee on Kauai on the North Shore through a mutual friend Rebecca, actually.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 9:25Julie Piatt?

  And she's the amazing crew captain for Evec 5 and a good friend.

• 9:31Rich Roll?

  Rebecca is.

• 9:32Julie Piatt?

  Yeah Rebecca is, yeah Rebecca Morgan. Anyway, so she was telling me, you gotta meet Lisa and Lisa, Lisa kept coming up. So anyway, we met for just a quick coffee and then we ran into you later that day down on the other side of the island.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:47Julie Piatt?

  And then I get back to LA and you're like my best friend.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  I know. I was hearing about you guys for a long time, hearing about Rich.

• 9:54Rich Roll?

  Well Lisa and I were Facebook friends, but we weren't face to face friends.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 9:58Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  And have friends that knew you and mentioned your name and then I met you and you said, "Oh, we've heard of your name" and since we never connected after all this time.

• 10:07Julie Piatt?

  And then Rich was like, "Oh, that's so hilarious that you're, one of your good friends is a triathlete."

• 10:12Rich Roll?

  I know. Julie's like, Julie's like, "Maybe I'll get a bike and start doing this."

• 10:17Julie Piatt?

  Maybe I'll start biking.

• 10:18Rich Roll?

  I started laughing uncontrollably.

• 10:19Julie Piatt?

  No, but it started screaming, like, "Don't do that."

• 10:22Rich Roll?

  Not, "Don't do that," that's just not gonna happen. I can't imagine that. I can't foresee that.

• 10:28Julie Piatt?

  Oh, you never know. Never say never.

• 10:31Rich Roll?

  Never count you out.

• 10:32Julie Piatt?

  I haven't, I'm just entering a new seven and a half year cycle in my astrology.

• 10:37Rich Roll?

  Alright.

• 10:39Julie Piatt?

  So there's a new identity code.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Well, you have all the equipment here, so.

• 10:43Julie Piatt?

  That's good, well, exactly.

• 10:45Rich Roll?

  I know.

• 10:45Julie Piatt?

  I could just stuff some stuff in the toes of his thousand pairs of shoes, yeah.

• 10:50Rich Roll?

  What do you, what do you mean? Stuff what in my shoes?

• 10:54Julie Piatt?

  No, stuff it in your shoes so your shoes fits me.

• 10:57Rich Roll?

  Oh, I see.

• 10:57Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 10:58Rich Roll?

  Alright. That's a bad joke.

• 11:00Julie Piatt?

  Alright, let the, let the listeners just aside.

• 11:05Rich Roll?

  Anyway, so Lisa, I want to get into your story and your kind of journey to wellness. We all have our like personal story that we have like kind of, you know, the narrative that kind of drives our passion for, for being fit and for, you know, whether it's pursuing triathlon or nutrition and in your case, you know, counseling and helping people as a, as a health coach and practitioner. So, you know, what, what do you think sort of led you to this path? I mean, what is it about, you know, this world that, that magnetized you, I guess?

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Um, well, I, you know, I remember since I've been about 13, sleeping with the nutrition almanac next to my bed.

• 11:51Rich Roll?

  I thought you were going to say sleeping with the nutritionist.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  No way. Right. Not the nutritionist, but I've always, you know, been into sports, you know, from a very young age and I've been into nutrition pretty much. Me and my mom worked a lot and my dad. So, you know, I grew up with some turkey TV dinners. They weren't the best educated in nutrition and health per se, but I think I had a strong constitution. So, you know, I was an athlete from a very young age.

• 12:19Rich Roll?

  What, what did you play when you were young?

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Well, I swam, um, you know, the swim team and competed. I was in track and field, but it was all real short, short distance, nothing really long.

• 12:31Rich Roll?

  And did you grow up in Southern California?

• 12:33Speaker 02

  No, born in New York and then moved to Florida just a couple of years and then went to Europe and then back to New York. Where in Europe? I lived in Paris, Milan.

• 12:44Rich Roll?

  But was it, that was part of, that, that, did your whole family move there?

• 12:47Speaker 02

  No, that's another journey.

• 12:49Rich Roll?

  So I want to get in, yeah, we'll get into the modeling thing in a minute, but we're not there yet.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  We'll talk about sleeping with the nutritionist first.

• 12:57Julie Piatt?

  That's amazing.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, thirteen.

• 12:59Julie Piatt?

  Sleeping with the nutritionist almanac?

• 13:02Rich Roll?

  Why not?

• 13:03Speaker 02

  It's crazy. So, I mean, my side reading would be about health, nutrition, you know, it's kind of a funny age, you know, where not many kids were doing that. So, that was a bit on the side. And then my first job was, you know, giving exercise classes to all different kinds of women and all different ages at health clubs and, you know, taking their measurements and selling programs. And I was like fifteen and...

• 13:29Rich Roll?

  Oh, wow.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  So, I've been my whole life, you know, I thought back, driving here, you know, I thought back, thinking, God, you know, most of my life has been revolving around this. You know, I think you go in and out of your life with your interests and you look back like you're doing something you love or you're doing something you love. And you think back when you're really young, kind of, wow, you know, it's been a long time. I always did like this. And so, finally, I'm coming to full circle of what I, what I love. I love being athletic, so I'm competing in triathlons. I love health and nutrition. I always toyed with, you know, becoming a doctor, which, you know, I just don't think I had the academic chutzpah to go do that.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  But it's interesting what I've become because I'm not, I don't go the route usually doctors take. I mean, I do respect them and I work with them, with clients of mine, but I, I look at everything of health and nutrition in a different way. So, it's interesting how now I've come to really hone in, you know, my passion.

• 14:30Rich Roll?

  But it sounds like you've always been doing it. I mean, was this something your parents were interested in or is it, you just came out, you're just hardwired for it from the beginning?

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's just who I am, I think.

• 14:40Rich Roll?

  Right. And now you're going to tell me the story about how your, your friend dragged you to some casting situation or something like that, or you were discovered at the local supermarket?

• 14:50Speaker 02

  She was only in the...

• 14:51Rich Roll?

  And then you were on the next flight.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  She was at the mall.

• 14:53Rich Roll?

  The next flight to Milan.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Someone saw her.

• 14:56Rich Roll?

  No, the story is always like, well, my friend told me I should do this or something like that.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  No, that's how the triathlon, that's the next story. The modeling story, hmm, okay. Born in New York and then about 15 years old, we moved to Florida for a few, well, I was only there a few years. My family's still there and for a summer job, I would work at this hotel and help serve drinks and work at the, you know, the event, events that they had. And there was a man there from Paris who came on business trips and he would, you know, take a liking to me, but I was very young and he was way too old for me. My mom sussed that out right away, but you know, nevertheless, we were talking and he said, you know, you and your sister-in-law, she'd come to Paris, you know, you know, the whole talk.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Well, we sussed it all out. I ended up going to Paris with my sister-in-law and wanting to spend, I think it was like a three-week trip, ended up me living there. I got introduced to an agency and the three-week trip ended up becoming a 30-year career. So, yeah, worked, worked out.

• 16:06Rich Roll?

  But when you were there, you had, so you had your family there at the same time? Or you were there like at a young age, living by yourself?

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, well, I went with my sister-in-law by myself, just for like three weeks. So, saved our money. I was, I just turned 19, 18.

• 16:23Rich Roll?

  Right. So you weren't like 15 or something?

• 16:25Speaker 02

  No, no. So, you know, yeah, I was old enough, but you know, I'd never been out of the country. So it was a whole new deal for me.

• 16:33Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 16:34Julie Piatt?

  And you didn't speak French?

• 16:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 16:36Julie Piatt?

  So did you just learn by immersion?

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:38Julie Piatt?

  That's the best.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 16:40Julie Piatt?

  That's the best.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  So, yeah, so it was amazing.

• 16:44Rich Roll?

  Right, but that cult, that's a very different culture from the kind of healthy triathlon, Southern California culture, right? It's like this, you know, sort of, I mean, yeah, a lot of smoking, a lot of partying late night.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Espresso.

• 16:58Rich Roll?

  Binging espresso and like, you know, striking a wave-like pose. I mean, what was that, what was that like? I mean, you know, did you, did you fall into a different lifestyle during that period of time? Or how did you navigate that? Like, what was that?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  You know, I wasn't, let's just say I wasn't doing any track and field at the time because my life just totally turned around. It wasn't what I was expecting. I didn't go there to think, you know. Wow, I'm going to become a model. I really went there over the summer, not even over the summer, for three weeks with like three hundred dollars. That was it.

• 17:30Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Um, and then getting a couple huge jobs and having to make the decision, um, to stay, to leave college, um, calling my roommate up saying, yeah, I'm in Paris, I'm not coming back. Um, my parents thought they'd see me in three weeks, didn't see me for six months. They saw me with long blonde hair, leaving. I came back short-cropped, beret on my head, walked right past my mom in the airport in December, she didn't recognize me.

• 17:57Rich Roll?

  Wow.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  And it was just a new life and, you know, style. And it was great. It worked well at the time. Um, I think the, the business is very different now.

• 18:07Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Um, I'm glad I did it when I did.

• 18:10Rich Roll?

  And in what way is it different?

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Um, just the way it is. I mean, you know, even now I do some jobs, but it's, it's, you know, you don't go and meet the people booking the job anymore. It's all online. It's all, um, you know, they see tapes and video. They want to see you yesterday. You got to express the, you know, the photos over. Um, you don't get to meet, you don't get to connect.

• 18:33Rich Roll?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Um, and for me, that was part of how I worked too. You know, I did, um, I was dancing. I did stage work a lot when I was younger and acting and commercials. And so when I work, I, I kind of, I get into what I do as a, you know, person and I deal with the people and I like to talk and, um, create some sort of energy.

• 18:55Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  And it's, it's pretty impersonal now, the business.

• 18:59Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  At the time I was, I was working was, there was a lot of money as well. I mean, they would fly me to Paris for one day from New York, no problem. Um, now it's, you know, uh, we're hiring someone local, pretty much. I mean, unless you're at the top five right now, you know, that's fine. Um, but they're pretty, it's a bit different business.

• 19:19Rich Roll?

  And you were able to, you were able to kind of like coexist in that culture without sort of, you know, suddenly smoking two packs of Marlboro Reds a day and going to after-hours parties until five in the morning. I mean, I would have killed me. I'm telling you, like, I'd be dead.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was okay.

• 19:35Rich Roll?

  I would not have survived it.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  You know, I had a few drinks here and there. Um, but you know, I think for me, I think while I, it lasted so long, as I looked at it as a business, I was always on time, always showed up, I wasn't hungover. Because you know, when you worked, I mean, I worked, I was pretty successful. I worked every day. I spoke to my booker more than I did my mother, you know, every day. And if you have a job that next day, if they didn't take you, you had three other jobs lined up behind you. Those are the days where there's a lot of work. You were a good model and you were good at what you did. You worked all the time. And that's how it was. So if you wanted to stay on your game, just like an athlete, you know, you want to put in the time and you want to be, you know, you put the time in to train and you want to be professional. And I guess in any business,

• 20:21Speaker 02

  you'll be there for the longer run. So I worked for a long time.

• 20:27Rich Roll?

  Right, right, right. And so, and when, so when did you end up in Los Angeles?

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Um, hmm, and got married in 92 and then moved here permanently after 92. But I was in New York and then Paris, back in New York, and then back and forth to LA, New York, and then came here permanently in 92.

• 20:55Rich Roll?

  Right. And then, and, and living here, and then now you kind of go back and forth between here and, and Kauai.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then went to Kauai for four and a half, five years. And now about eight months ago.

• 21:07Rich Roll?

  Right. I mean, you were basically living there pretty much full time.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:11Julie Piatt?

  So were you completely ready for that change after having lived in Paris and New York for most of your life? To go to Kauai?

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Well, we moved here, lived in LA, in Topanga for years. We were going to have the five-year plan, but turned into four kids in 17 years. And then we felt like we needed a change with the kids. We were just kind of getting a little too much here and our kids were still young. And the business that my husband does, he's a cinematographer, he travels a lot. So we thought, well, let's try. We thought of some places to try. We thought New Zealand. It was a little bit too far, then Kauai was on the list and we thought,

• 21:49Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  let's check that out. And so we decided to do that for a while.

• 21:55Rich Roll?

  Right, very cool. And for the listeners out there, she just sort of slipped in that her husband's a cinematographer and you might be picturing just some guy who's lugging a camera around, but

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Probably not.

• 22:06Rich Roll?

  This guy is the

• 22:07Speaker 02

  He did that years ago.

• 22:08Rich Roll?

  Yeah, he's the cinematographer. Currently, he's the DP on Spider-Man, correct? And rumor has it that he's been offered the next Star Wars movie. Is that true?

• 22:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:22Rich Roll?

  Maybe. We might, a little bird might have said that. Who knows? I don't know. So, anyway, this is a guy who knows his way around a camera, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Very talented, to say the least.

• 22:33Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I would imagine.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  He's worked in the business many years. He schlepped the bags, he swept the floor and

• 22:38Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  he worked his way up, yeah, which is great.

• 22:41Rich Roll?

  He showed up on time for his gig, right?

• 22:43Speaker 02

  He did.

• 22:43Rich Roll?

  And he shot, did he shoot the Star Trek movie that's about to come out?

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, Star Trek. It's awesome. We can't wait to see it. He's a good guy. That's great.

• 22:51Rich Roll?

  Very cool. So, so you're, you're living this Hawaiian lifestyle and this Southern California lifestyle. I mean, when does triathlon kind of creep into the picture?

• 23:01Speaker 02

  I remember I was kind of doing some sort of class or whatever at the gym in Kauai, when it was a gym up in Princeville, when they had the gym there.

• 23:12Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  And I knew some people and one of my girlfriends came up to me and said, you know, you should try triathlon. I'm doing the sprint triathlon and I'm like, you are? I really didn't have too much of an idea about, about what it was. But I remember taking these classes. You know, I trained and did other things before, but it'd been a while. So I was taking these kind of exercise classes and the women are sweating and Taking their pulse and I'm trying to find my pulse and I'm just like, this isn't doing it. And just, I just felt like I just needed to up the ante, you know, just at that time. And so I said, okay. And she's kind of explained to me the, the length of it. And you know, I was a short distance sprinter, you know, so to run three and four and six and 10 miles,

• 23:56Speaker 02

  I was like, are you kidding? There's no way. So I remember getting on the treadmill, looking outside the window at the golf course in Princeville and just running. And I'm like, okay, two miles. Wow. And I just started. I remember the first day I hit four miles without stopping. You know, all these like little milestones.

• 24:15Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Um, and then I got a bike and the guys on Inquire, awesome. You know, they're really supportive. I got my first bike, started swimming with the masters down Lahui. I drove 30 something minutes.

• 24:27Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's a long drive.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  From the North Shore. And I just kind of threw my energy into, you know, upping the ante with the training and that's it and haven't stopped.

• 24:38Rich Roll?

  It's definitely has its claws in you.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. It's a little bit addicting.

• 24:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  You and I know.

• 24:46Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I speak that language.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  For some not. For some there are that do it that are okay.

• 24:50Rich Roll?

  And you've done amazing. You've have amazing results. You're incredibly fit, you know, beautiful woman, incredibly fit and passionate about, you know, your working out and your racing and your training. And it's awesome. It's cool. I love seeing it. And, and I think what, you know, is interesting for the listeners out there is how you, you know, as, as a mother with, you know, several children and responsibilities and, you know, sort of a, you know, a life that a lot of people can relate to, just a lot of responsibilities. How do you make it fit? Like, how do you find the time? How do you balance everything else in your life to make sure that you're attending to, you know, everybody appropriately, I guess?

• 25:30Speaker 02

  A lot of balls.

• 25:31Rich Roll?

  And pursue this. Cause a lot of people are just like, well, I don't have time, you know, good for you, but there's no way I could ever do that.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Well, you know, it's a lot of balls to juggle and I think if you really want to do something, you can do it. You know, it's like getting that bike out and getting it ready or, you know, I said, as women too, we tend to multitask really well. And I think I find myself like, it's kind of challenging for me to see. I always have to pull back a little and say, okay, you don't want to juggle 4,000 balls. You just can't do everything well with so many.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  But I think I'm just passionate about the things I choose. So I really want to do it.

• 26:10Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  So I'm up a little later organizing my stuff for the next day. I think ahead. I mean, it's like with the clients I work with and then them talking about their food, of how to organize their food for the next day, or how to think ahead, or how to shop. It's kind of like that. You know, if you think ahead, you plan accordingly, you know, you get a schedule. I mean, there's a lot of people who aren't like that. It's really hard for them. So they take on a little less. I tend to multitask really well.

• 26:41Rich Roll?

  I'm a terrible multitasker. Julie, you multitask pretty well. I can only do one thing at a time. Anytime I try to do anything more than I want, I just can't.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  It's a hunter gatherer.

• 26:53Rich Roll?

  Everything falls apart.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  We have to. We have to multitask.

• 26:56Rich Roll?

  Julie will be like, what do you have to do today? And I'll list like five or six things that I have to accomplish. And she'll be like, what's the big deal? And I'm like, if I get one of these things done today, I'll be lucky, you know?

• 27:08Julie Piatt?

  It's just a different style. But so what are the ages of your children, Lisa?

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Eleven, thirteen, sixteen, and nineteen. Three girls and a boy.

• 27:18Julie Piatt?

  Right. That's right. So you still got, you know, Sam's still.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Eleven, yeah.

• 27:22Julie Piatt?

  Eleven. So that's cool. So how do you, how is nutrition in your household? Like, how does, how do you guys approach it? Are you guys all vegan? Are you all plant-based?

• 27:33Speaker 02

  No, we've got a mixture. A mixture.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  I'm vegan, which works for me. Um, my daughter who's sixteen is vegan. She's been like that maybe a couple of years now. Um, I have my thirteen and my eleven year old, um, like meat. You know, um, my son loves it when he sees a piece of red meat. He's like, it's so excited.

• 27:58Julie Piatt?

  Yee-haw.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Um, and then my nineteen year old, she, um, eats some meat. She's not like super passionate about it, but she doesn't like, she'll eat chicken. You know, she did, you know, she's fine. She doesn't make an effort either way. Um, so usually at my dinner table, you can be anything and be okay.

• 28:17Julie Piatt?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  There's always enough for all kinds of palettes. You know, I don't force anything on my kids. I think they learn by experience.

• 28:24Julie Piatt?

  Right.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Um, just like your kids, you know, they're blending green smoothies and green drinks. I mean, green stuff in my house is normal. Usually I have green in my teeth, so I look before I can. It's usually green and like I always say, as long as it's green, it's okay.

• 28:37Julie Piatt?

  It's just a podcast, so you can tell.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  At least it's not Doritos or something.

• 28:41Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 28:42Rich Roll?

  So as far as parenting your kids and kind of what you try to teach them nutrition wise, it's kind of, you just, I mean, I, I gather you're sort of just leading by example and trying to kind of set a tone, but you're not creating any rigorous rules or?

• 28:56Speaker 02

  No, I mean, they know certain things will be in the house and certain things won't. You know, there's just certain things I'm not having in the house. You know, there's no soda, there's no coke, there's no, you know, fast food kind of stuff.

• 29:08Rich Roll?

  And has it always been that way?

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:11Rich Roll?

  Uh-huh. So they just grew up that, grew up that way?

• 29:13Speaker 02

  They grew up that way, you know, and as they get older, they have their own choices. So, you know, they're gonna go and they're gonna go to parties or, you know, school and they're, you know, they're not gonna be perfect or, you know, they will make the wrong choices on purpose and be like, yeah, Sprite or something, you know? And, you know, that's okay. Um, but you know, it's interesting as they get older, they start, you hear them talking to their peers. You know, my 16 year old, their, her friends are like, wow, you eat so healthy and what does that do? And, and then you hear her talk about it. And I think that's awesome because what I try to teach too is kind of what's called the ripple effect. You know, what we're doing and teaching and inspiring to our kids, it's going on to others or it's going on to my clients' families or their kids or.

• 29:58Rich Roll?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  And I think that's also with you, what you're doing, what, what we like to do, what is important to us. So.

• 30:04Rich Roll?

  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it is pretty cool when, when the older kids start to make the healthy choice consciously and purposely. As opposed to, well, that's just what, what's in the fridge or that's what mom made or, or what have you. I mean, I say this all the time, but like, you know, the first time I saw Tyler kind of come down the staircase and half asleep and just go right to the Vitamix and start putting kale in it with his hair in his face. Like he's not even awake yet. And he's making his morning, you know, blend like not because anybody said you have to have this or this is what we eat here. Just that's what he was choosing to do. He could have made oatmeal. He could have made pancakes. He could have done whatever, but you know, he opted for that. And that's amazing, you know?

• 30:45Speaker 02

  One of my two, two my kids, same thing. I mean, but yet my son who's 11 will say, Mom, is that vegan? You know, he's the V word is really like, I'm like, yeah, a pear is always vegan, you know? So he just has this vegan thing, you know?

• 30:58Rich Roll?

  Well, once you create a label, then there's something to oppose, you know? You can create an opposition to something that is, right? So even Mathis, our nine year old, she'll adamantly say, I am not vegan, even though she pretty much eats a vegan diet 99% of the time.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  She doesn't know it.

• 31:15Rich Roll?

  She doesn't want to be called that. She doesn't want to be labeled that. She doesn't want to be pigeonholed into something because she wants to define herself the way that she wants. She doesn't want somebody else to say you're this or that, you know? And I think when you kind of, um.

• 31:31Rich Roll?

  You know, omit those labels or just don't use them.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:34Rich Roll?

  You know, then there's, you're not creating anything to, you're not creating anything to set up a contrast to, or to rebel against, or to have an issue with.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 31:44Julie Piatt?

  And it just becomes her own, her own process. And I mean, I do, I'm seeing waves too. It's always waves of refinement with the diet. Like, you know, we definitely as a family, as the months go on, it's getting upgraded. It's getting cleaner and more, more plant-based, more sprouted, more fermented, more, there's, it's really, really increasing. And I see, in Mathis is probably the toughest eater, I mean, the pickiest eater. But even within her, there are certain things that she wouldn't eat prior to us going to Kauai, but now she will. So it's cool.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Well, they say, you know, you, you keep exposing them. It takes about three weeks or so if you keep exposing, you know. I tell people constantly, please try not to give your kid kid food. I mean, there's so many families that will make their dinner, which would be a pretty good dinner, and then the kids get, you know, hot dogs, macaroni cheese.

• 32:38Rich Roll?

  Macaroni and cheese, yeah.

• 32:39Julie Piatt?

  That's a really good point.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  And it's like, just from the birth of our first child, I mean, we always put everything out there. It was always proper, healthy food. It wasn't quote unquote kid food. It wasn't white food. It was just healthy food.

• 32:52Julie Piatt?

  Exactly.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  So, all my kids sat at the table, we still do. We sit at the table, there's always vegetables, there's always soups, there's always, as I said, anyone can come over and be fine.

• 33:03Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  And they have a choice. And even if they don't like it at a certain point, you'll find they'll start trying it. And their tastes change. And they'll experiment, and, like with yours.

• 33:13Julie Piatt?

  And they'll say, you know, "Oh, I used to hate tomatoes, like, six months ago. And now I love tomatoes."

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, now they walk around with them in their hands, eating them like an apple.

• 33:21Julie Piatt?

  Right, but you just gotta keep putting, that's the one thing, Mathis is, she eats raw tomatoes all the time, but... Yeah, you just gotta keep putting it out there. And that is a, that's a really, uh, really important point. But not to make kid food and not to start shifting the way that you eat. You just eat as a family.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  And also, I think your body craves certain things too. Like, for instance, she's eating whole tomatoes, you know?

• 33:43Julie Piatt?

  There's a reason.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  There's a reason, you know, maybe she needs a boost of something. Or, as I said, that's, as long as you give them a, um, a variety as well.

• 33:53Julie Piatt?

  Well, and also with dates, like she, she was like, I hate dates. Like, that was about a year ago. And now she loves dates. And it's, you know, mostly everything in our house is sweetened with dates. So, um, that's amazing. That's really cool.

• 34:08Rich Roll?

  And how do they, how do they navigate, like, school lunch?

• 34:12Speaker 02

  That's a little tricky. Um, that's, you know, I must say, when school's over, that's the one thing I really am happy that I don't have to deal with the lunch thing because it is hard because they all kind of have their own, you know, their own likes and dislikes. I mean, dinner is easier because I can put it all out or, you know, when we're on the weekend.

• 34:31Julie Piatt?

  Sure.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Um, and I can buy it all and it's, it's all there. I can prep it. But also, like, even soup, you know, just carrying some of this stuff. Or, um, a lot of times, like my son, he's so busy, sometimes the lunch comes back. And so I say, you have to eat, you know? And, well, I left my lunchbox here, you know? Um, so I try to, try to explain to them in their terms too, you know, like with, with people who need to eat a little bit in a day. So in the morning, I try to blend up smoothies, give them something healthy and there's fruit and, and then a snack. And then, um, yeah, lunch is challenging.

• 35:04Rich Roll?

  Right. So do they, I mean, will they eat at the cafeteria at school and, you know, eat the?

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Um, it depends on which kid and which school. We're all over the place.

• 35:13Rich Roll?

  Well, I'm just, I'm just interested because, you know, just in general, school lunch is a, such a unmitigated disaster. And, um, it's a huge problem, you know? It's like, that's where kids are sort of forming their habits that will last the rest of their lives. And, you know, as you know, dealing with clients and like friends of mine and people that I know that are, you know, now well into their 40s and getting into their 50s who are trying to like, Overcome these habits that they've had their entire life and school lunch, I think the school cafeteria is like this, you know, proving ground where a lot of those habits get cemented and the food that we're feeding the kids is just absolutely horrific.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:52Rich Roll?

  By and large.

• 35:53Julie Piatt?

  And if you count up the hours that most kids are at school, it's a good portion of their lifetime. So those meals add up like aggregate.

• 36:01Rich Roll?

  Well, and it's, it's, it's highly socially charged too. Like what you decide you're gonna eat, you know, when you're in high school or junior high school and you sit down at that table with those other kids, like you're being judged and, you know, it's a very emotionally, there's a, there's a, you know, it's, it's heavy emotionally too. So it's not just an issue of like eat healthy or what makes your body feel good. Like what is this, this social strata that you're trying to penetrate or be a part of plays into it as well.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  And yeah, that always does. But as I said, I think as long as they're brought up at that base, like you said, you know, we have it on the table and what you're serving and they may boycott it. They'll go out and do a sugar binge all weekend, stay up late with their girlfriends at a sleepover or whatever. And, you know, I remember my daughter coming back. She went away for two days on a school thing and they stayed with the host family somewhere, you know, not in LA, somewhere else. And, um, you know, the woman made grilled cheese and, you know, had a family that wasn't, you know, but like not good food, very quick, very fast food. And so she didn't say anything. She kind of sat there and being vegan, it was very difficult. But, um, she came home and she says, I haven't had anything green

• 37:08Speaker 02

  for two days. Make me a salad, you know. Um, so I mean, you know, or as you said, you know, they'll go to a party and they'll, they'll binge out on sugar and, you know, then the teenage girls will be, my face is breaking out.

• 37:21Julie Piatt?

  I got sick.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, or they get sick. I guarantee it. Every time after Halloween, never fails.

• 37:28Julie Piatt?

  Absolutely. And around the holidays too.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Tell them every, every year, sugar. Yeah.

• 37:33Julie Piatt?

  Exactly. Now, and now Math is actually just even, even recently last week, she, she actually got her first cold. She had never had a cold before. She's nine.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 37:44Julie Piatt?

  And she kept telling me, she said, Mom, I didn't realize my nose was so large. Because she was trying to get all the mucus out and it kept coming. She didn't realize it was real making it again. But anyway, so then she came to me, you know, because I told her sugar will make you sick. So then, you know, she would ask me, you know, can I have a date? Or can I have this? Or tell me what I can eat? And so, you know, that's really amazing. And also, my boys, you know, they start, if they ever start to get a little sniffly, you know, they go right to water and apple cider vinegar, like immediately. And that for us is just, I mean, it's amazing.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, for most people, maybe a number of who are listening now, they, you know, probably are wondering what we're talking about. Because there's a lot of people who don't know about this.

• 38:34Julie Piatt?

  So tell them.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  But there's so many alternative ways to have things sweetened and, you know, to cook with. And that's what I love doing. I like sharing and exposing the people I talk to, come in contact with, work with, about recipes and just, just education about themselves, about their proteins, about carbohydrates, about how it works in their body, what kind, you know. I had a client today email me, give me a list of complex carbohydrates, please, to eat, you know. Because a lot of people are really motivated and they want to be healthy. They just need the support. They need a little bit of education, the knowledge, what to do, how to do it.

• 39:16Rich Roll?

  And there's so many conflicting messages out there. If you try to take that on yourself and just go online, you'll find five different answers to the same thing. So it's really easy to get frustrated and disoriented and then just throw your hands up in the air and say, well, forget it.

• 39:38Rich Roll?

  I mean with the people that you work with or that come to you, I mean what are some of the the big kind of common challenges that that you see that maybe you can, you know, give a little bit of sort of, you know, guidance to people that are listening?

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I work with a number of different kinds, you know, of people, age groups, some have medical issues, you know, and everybody's different, you know. Each person I deal with, I say that you're an individual. So what, I mean, there's certain things across the board, as we understand about proteins, or as you say, carbs, fats, good fats. But, you know, what works for you is not necessarily going to work for me, you know, like me, or you and I being vegan, you know, for some people, you know, they may not find that works for them. I, you know, I can't say, I just don't, you know, coach people who are vegan.

• 40:28Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  But what we do is we try to see what works and how to up their health, you know, in a better way, how to bring more plant foods in there. And then, interestingly enough, you know, as we all know, they start feeling better, their energy comes back, their weight drops off, or their health problems start to alleviate. So.

• 40:50Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  You know, it's a, it's a good feeling to help out.

• 40:55Rich Roll?

  Of course, there's nothing better.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:58Rich Roll?

  But if somebody comes to you and they're, they're out of shape, they're overweight, and they're just looking for, you know, like, how do I, how do I start? I mean, where is the, like, what's the first thing that you do? Like, do you get their blood work done? Do you like, talk to them about what they're eating? Or like, how does it work?

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Well, I first give them my, usually we go, like, do a quick health history form, just to kind of get a basis of where they're at, what their goals are, their past, you know. I do ask, what did you eat when you were a kid? You know, what are you eating now? What's your ancestry like? How, how's a healthier parents? What do you do? What's your activity level? How do you eat now? What are you, what are your goals? How are you feeling? All these little questions. And we kind of talk about that. You know, I also go into, as I said, their, their life when they were younger. You know, as you said, you form all these patterns.

• 41:53Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  And also, you know, as you said before too, emotionally, things are very emotional. Food is very emotional for a lot of people. Stress triggers a lot of cravings. Um hormonal imbalances. Um so we talk about a whole lot of things, you know, but as I said, I I kind of go step by step. You can't throw everything at somebody in the first week or the first month of working with them. So, I mean, sometimes I work with people over months. And um what's really interesting is that the more we start in the beginning with their diet, for instance, like bringing some greens, right? The first thing I do is three times a day, bring in something green, drink some more water, you know, let's talk, you know, we'll talk again in a week, or some people I speak to more often than that.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Um and then in a couple of weeks, we we talk about some proteins and we try to move that around a little bit. And then within a month or two, we start, you know, working on all these little aspects of their diet and their health. And what I find is the cleaner they get internally and with their nutrition, their brain fog starts to lift, and then they start getting into the emotions after a couple of months. And then they start looking into, you know, God, you know, I'm really edgy all the time, and I think I know why, or I know what's causing, I really, you know, and it's really great because it takes layers upon layers to kind of get through.

• 43:12Rich Roll?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  And um when you're, you know, hitting yourself with sugar, coffee, you know, toxic food, there's no way you can get, you know, deep, you know, so.

• 43:22Rich Roll?

  You can't because you're medicating your emotions. And I think that's, it's such, it it's, it is the like, you know, diamond nugget in this whole thing. It's it's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about because there are all these diet books out there, and it doesn't even matter, like Pick Your Poison, like Paleo, Vegan, whatever it is, I don't care. You can find a roadmap to eating better than you currently are. And, you know, a lot of it is, it's not rocket science. It's like, you know, eat whole foods, don't eat processed foods, like, you know, don't eat a bunch of sugar. You know, a lot of it is so basic, and and everybody knows this, and yet, and and everybody, and and we have this obesity epidemic, we have all these health problems and all that kind of stuff, and everybody kind of has that common sense awareness, but they don't do it. So like what?

• 44:08Rich Roll?

  Where are we missing? Like, what is going wrong? And I think it, I think it really does boil down to the emotion, the emotional aspect of it. You know, there are these, like this book that just came out, Salt, Sugar, Fat, that talks about how the food manufacturers are creating these foods that affect our pleasure centers. And, and that creates an addictive response that is tied in directly to our emotional bodies, how we regulate our emotions, how we feel. And we start to rely on these foods to feel a certain way or to repress a certain emotion. And those get hardwired over the years. And so, we're talking about trying to, you know, basically rewire your entire system. And you, you take, you take away all those sort of go-to, you know, pleasure-centered foods

• 44:50Rich Roll?

  or foods you're using to like, you know, feel better or repress yourself. And yeah, the emotions start to go haywire. People start to freak out, you know? And then I think they just, they either can't handle it or they don't have the support or they're confused or in some kind of vertigo state that they, you know, it becomes unmanageable.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:08Rich Roll?

  And then they go back to eating poorly because they don't have somebody who says, "Well, this is normal. You've taken away these things that you're, you've relied on to do this. Now you have to actually look at these emotions that you're having and process them and figure out how to manage them in a healthy way. And this is a growth opportunity. This is why you're doing this, so you can face this, overcome it, live, you know, live healthier."

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Well, that's why I call it holistic. Because it's really, it's not just the food. And even though my base, my base is food and nutrition, it's a holistic approach.

• 45:41Rich Roll?

  And it has to be. Yeah, it has to be. You can't, it's like taking a, you know, you take a multivitamin. You're taking these, yeah, I mean, you need these nutrients or whatever. But when they're isolated from the food, you know, they're not as bioavailable. They're not necessarily going to do what they're supposed to do. And if you take one aspect of health, whether it's like what you're putting in your mouth or how you're moving your body, but you do it in isolation, not in the context of, of a holistic approach, then you're kind of missing the whole, the whole point or the bigger picture, right?

• 46:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. I mean, in the beginning too, with, going back to eating, is, you know, I'm really, really into the energetics of food. You know, I say to people, "Food has an energy." And when you think of it that way and you look at food and, and realize why it's green and the chlorophyll and, and the energy that food, real, live, you know...

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Food unpackaged, for instance, has, then you stop to say, do I need to eat the packaged food? Do I need to eat the, you know, fast food hamburger? And I say, stop and say, what energy am I going to get from that? You know, does it have any, what kind of energy does it have to give me? And I think about that daily and I try to ask people to think about that because at least if you think about it, it's the first step. And as I said, just when you first start with someone who has no idea about this, you know, just for them to think, hey, I'm going to have an extra glass of water today, or before eating the fast food thing, well, you know, what did we talk about? Okay, I'm gonna, you know, try that kale or quinoa or whatever. That's just a step. It's the first step. And that's what I'd say is great because it just gets them going, gets their brain

• 47:16Speaker 02

  going, gets them thinking. As I said, with about the energetics of food, you know, fresh, raw food. I mean, I'm saying it can't be cooked, but you know, just the, the more natural state it's at, the more energy it's going to give you. So I kind of start there, start with the food. And as I said, everything, all the layers kind of, you know, you get through all these layers and all of a sudden, it's really wonderful. You see people starting to feel and start, it goes into their relationship with their families and, and then all of a sudden, you know, I have someone, their husband's blending the green smoothie and it's great for both of them and it's like, woo.

• 47:53Rich Roll?

  Or they're calling you at three in the morning crying.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. I get some very interesting pictures and notes and texts all day long.

• 48:00Rich Roll?

  But also what I've heard you say is, the one thing that has been consistent in what you just said is you're always talking about the things that you're adding in or including as opposed to the things that you're, you're suddenly depriving somebody of. So it's like, hey, have, if all you did was have, you know, started your day with a green smoothie or drank more water or ate more, you know, raw vegetables or whatever it is, and put the focus on what you're including or, or having more of as opposed to, well, you can't have this and you can't have that and no more of that, you know, it, it's a different perspective.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you don't want to deprive people. And once you take, you say you can't have it anymore, then they think, oh my God, it's a diet, you know, and we all know diets fail. I don't call any of this a diet. I want to work with people, I say, you know, we're talking about this is a lifetime. It's a lifestyle. And that's how you have to go about thinking it, you know? Because if you stay with this lifestyle and kind of what we're talking about, the energetics of food and the healthy emotions and, you know, working on, you know, not just maybe training forty hours a week, but also doing some yoga or lighting a candle to just change the vibe of something or breathing or, you know, all this is incorporated into being healthy. You know, it's not just eating your kale, but, um, you know, it's adding in.

• 49:19Julie Piatt?

  It's beyond the kale.

• 49:23Julie Piatt?

  The horizon.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Beyond the green.

• 49:24Julie Piatt?

  Beyond the kale. It's great.

• 49:27Rich Roll?

  Is that the name of your book?

• 49:28Julie Piatt?

  I just made it up.

• 49:29Rich Roll?

  Beyond the Kale.

• 49:30Julie Piatt?

  I'm gonna write that book. Happened, happened during the podcast. You guys, just fast forward a year.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  I'll buy it.

• 49:36Julie Piatt?

  No, so, uh, so I wanted to ask you, so where are you, where are you with cleansing? Like, how is cleansing, is cleansing a part of your life? Is it something that you've done? Have you experimented a lot?

• 49:46Speaker 02

  A long time ago I have. You know, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm pretty active in my workouts because I, you know, I am an athlete as well, so I work out a lot.

• 49:57Julie Piatt?

  Really?

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I balance with my kids and my family and my work. Um, but I, when I tell people for me how I eat is, um, I feel like I'm a cleansing every day. I mean, I'm not, believe me, I'm not perfect and get me a good bag of salty corn chips and I'm there. But, um, you know, but for me, how I eat is I feel like I, I pretty much feel pretty cleansed. Um, for some people, um, I just see a lot of this cleansing happening to lose a quick five pounds. And the first thing I say to them is that, oh, well, they, they went off the cleanse. I'll say, well, the next few days, what did you eat? And nine out of 10, they just go right back after the day or two after the cleanse into

• 50:40Speaker 02

  what they were doing. And I talked to a lady once in Kauai, she did this incredible Ayurveda cleanse. And there she was that night drinking wine and at the thing. And I was like, well, okay. But I always stop to think, you know, what is the purpose of the cleanse? You know, what reason is it for? Because if it's just to lose five pounds, you know, or is it really to cleanse your body? To, I have another friend of mine at a place for like a two week cleanse, but it's, it's full on, that's what they do. And she's kind of more of a mind, body, spirit kind of operation. So she's going at it in a different level.

• 51:20Julie Piatt?

  Right. They're two different things.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, totally. The majority of people are hearing about the cleanse.

• 51:26Julie Piatt?

  For the weight loss.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  Weight loss. And, you know, juicing is huge right now, which is great, because I think it's getting a lot of people into drinking and trying it and getting, you know, now you go somewhere and everyone's carrying a green juice.

• 51:38Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, great.

• 51:40Rich Roll?

  In LA, you know.

• 51:42Julie Piatt?

  Everyone in our world.

• 51:45Rich Roll?

  Cedar Rapids or something, you know, there's, I don't know if that's everywhere, but it is cool to see it here for sure. And it's, you know, these, these sort of cold pressed juice companies are springing up all over the place. I mean, and the juice trucks that are driving around LA, which is, which is really cool. You know, I mean, it's definitely a trend. And I think the only sort of downside to that is that it, it suddenly sort of couches healthy eating into some kind of elitist pursuit. Like, oh, well, you know, good for you. You can, you can afford your $9, you know, juice at the press juicery truck or whatever. And it takes, you know, it sort of takes the discussion away from the accessibility of the general population and turns it into like a well-heeled thing. And it doesn't have

• 52:30Rich Roll?

  to be that, you know.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I get so many people asking me what juice are to buy. They want to do it at home, which is the way to go. I mean, as you said, this is a lifestyle. So you want to incorporate this in your life. You know, you know, I hear, I don't have time. It takes so long. So we talk about techniques, you know, how to prepare it, get it all done, chop it up, put it in a bag in the fridge. It takes two minutes to juice.

• 52:53Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Do that for a couple of days. Have that ready, put in the glass. You know, I kind of go through this with people. So when they do it for a couple of times, they realize, wow, you know, it's not that hard. And most people I talk to, honestly, within a few weeks are craving, you know, this is what they want to do now.

• 53:09Rich Roll?

  Yeah, you start to crave it and you're, you know, and that's a good, that's a good sign.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:13Rich Roll?

  You know, and it doesn't have to be expensive. I made a video, which I haven't put up yet. I've got to put that video up, but I was so incensed. I was at like Gelson's or Bristol Farms or one of those markets and they had some premium juices. I forget the name of the juice company, but one of the really high end ones. And they, and they were the tiny little like 10, 12 ounce juices, but they were like $12 each for like beet, celery juice. And I was like, are you kidding?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  I was reading like the wave of the future in the next year or two, that they feel juices will go to $20.

• 53:48Rich Roll?

  It's, yeah, it's crazy. And so it's like, oh, well, you know what is it? Like caviar? You know, it's just like a beet you pull out of the ground and some celery. So I was like, I'm going to go to the market and see how much produce I can buy for the price of two of those juices. So I went to Viarda market, which is like deep in the valley.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:07Rich Roll?

  You know, it's sort of like, it's like in a scroungy neighborhood or whatever, but it's a cheap market. I was like, I wonder how much produce I can get here. I filled an entire shopping cart for $24.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:16Rich Roll?

  You know, I was like, for the price of two of those little juices at that market. And then, you know, we could juice that and Vitamix that stuff for a week.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:24Rich Roll?

  Greg Smith was saying, he just went to, he was buying so much fruit and he listened to the podcast episode where I had Michael Aronstein on, the fruitarian guy.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:33Rich Roll?

  Talking about how he like.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  The amount of fruit that I'm buying?

• 54:35Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's insane, right?

• 54:37Speaker 02

  He's like four refrigerators?

• 54:38Rich Roll?

  And he was like, yeah. And he was like, I go to the, um, the, uh, the wholesalers because I won't buy it at the store because I'm buying so much. And they think that he must have like a store because he's buying so much fruit and he brings a truck there and loads it up. So Greg Smith found the fruit wholesalers in downtown LA.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:55Rich Roll?

  And he was telling me, he went down there the other day and he bought like an insane amount of produce for like, no, he's like, I bought a giant box of mangoes that I could barely carry for like $6. And he goes, the fruit is just spilling out all over the street, everywhere. He's like, there's like, you could just pick it up off the ground and have enough to last your family for two weeks.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's very simple.

• 55:15Rich Roll?

  He goes, all you have to do is go downtown, like no one knows about it. And he's like, I go, do you have to be, you have to like convince them that you have a store, that you're a retailer or something? He's like, no, just go there and buy it. Like, you know, just nobody knows to do that.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Right. I mean, it's all very simple, you know? You mean, it's the price of the juicer. Um, most people don't have huge families like us.

• 55:35Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  You know, some do, but um, yeah, it's simple ingredients and um, you know, it's, it's a lot of bang for your buck. You know, the nutrient dense foods, which comes down to, and that's, it's a, just a great, great thing to do daily if you can.

• 55:50Rich Roll?

  Yeah, absolutely. So what do you, what do you, what do you do? Like, what is your sort of general advice when people slip up or kind of go off the wagon? Uh, you know, maybe you're counseling them and like they're going good for a while and then they kind of disappear on you.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Well, they don't fully disappear. It's if they're gonna tell me now. Um, you know, we all do. It's not, and it's really funny because they, they know, but they just go back on track. I mean, it's just, and interestingly enough, the healthier you get, the faster you rebound. I mean, you feel it because as I said, the kind of cleaner you get. When you binge, depending on what it is, your body, they'll be like, oh, I felt like crap. I know I had that hamburger. Or, you know, if for instance, for someone's not eating meat, or I had a lot of sugar, um, I had a couple of drinks. You know, that's, you know, big for people.

• 56:41Rich Roll?

  Become more sensitized.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. Um, but then what's interesting is that they, they feel that and they just get back right on track. You know, and as I said, this is a lifestyle, you know, we're all not perfect on, I don't, you know, tell people they can't have this, they can't have that. It's, as you said, it's adding in more of the good food, crowd out the bad.

• 57:01Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Um, you know, we just bring in, um, as I said, more healthy, good food. And um, I think eventually, um, you know, they, they just start to understand, they start to become educated in the process. They start learning about their bodies and um, as I said, that's just the first step. I think just as long as the momentum keeps going and they go in the right direction, it's good. And they always do.

• 57:27Rich Roll?

  Well, I think when you start to feel better, then you sort of develop a, a, a level of self, there's a level of self-esteem that comes with that. And then that makes you want to exercise a little bit more self-care. And then before you know it, there's like a gestalt or like a momentum that goes along with that, that, that will start to kill you.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  All the emotions start, the self-confidence, I can do it. Wow, I've lost some weight. I had someone today text me, "I feel so great. I've downed my Diet Pepsi to 12 ounces instead of 16 ounces."

• 57:56Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  I'm had that green juice today. You said it was really good. I'm really feeling good, you know? Granted, they're still drinking the Diet Pepsi, but they were, they know I want to scale down. It's not like I'm quitting it all tomorrow after they've had it every day for 10 years.

• 58:10Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Right. Um, but they're adding in the other stuff and they're noticing a difference and.

• 58:16Rich Roll?

  You create, and you create like a history with that. Like in, in recovery, it's sort of, it's common for somebody who's new to say, "Oh my God, you know, like, yeah, I can deal with like not drinking today, but like, what about that bachelor party I have in six months in Vegas? Like, I'm never gonna make it." And it's like, well, you know what? Why don't you just not worry about that until that happens? And then, you know, then the event occurs and somehow the person makes it through without drinking or using. And then they get on the other side of that and they're like, "Oh my God, I never would have thought I would have been able to do that without getting loaded." And that's like called sober history. So it's like, you know, you can, you weathered that sort of situation that you never would have thought possible. Now you know you can do it. So,

• 58:57Rich Roll?

  so, you know, I have friends that they're trying to deal with their, they're changing their eating habits. And they say, "Well, you know, I could, there's no way I could make it through like a board meeting without drinking like a liter of Diet Coke. I've been doing it for 20 years." The first time they do something like that, or they make it through like a tricky situation, um, and they do it in a healthier way, that creates history. You know, it's like, "Okay, I know I could do that. I did that. I feel, and I feel really good about myself that I was able to do that." So then the next time it's a little bit easier.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  And sometimes it gives them other options. I mean, there's some people that really have no idea how to do that. So you say, "Hey, what about trying this or do that?" Have you brought something else or brought an apple or have you, you know, got up and done, you know, there's a lot of different ways to look at it. Same with me. I have people too that don't want to drink or don't want to be put in a situation of a lot of junk food or. Um, you know, as you said, just like an alcoholic or some quitting smoking. You don't want to go to the bar or go hang out with your friends that smoke around you.

• 59:55Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  I think eating cleanly and not drinking or whatever, you know? I mean, it's not that you, you can't socialize and you do. And some people have more discipline than others, but others that need a little more support. And if the support's not there, because not everyone has the support.

• 1:00:10Rich Roll?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Um, you know, I, I work with some people that their families are, you know, pretty unhealthy, but it's them, you know, really trying to forge ahead.

• 1:00:21Rich Roll?

  So what do you, what do you counsel in that, in that respect? Cause I think that's a huge issue, you know? And that's something that prevents a lot of people from, from, you know, trying to blaze this path because they just think it's going to be too hard. They don't have the support.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Right, um, well, that's, I come in a little heavier on that point for me as supporting them, you know, with speaking with them more often, um, you know, maybe, um, giving them thoughts on, you know, their food and, you know, they're trying to cook for their family. Um, if there's unhealthy stuff coming in that they're saying to me, it's really hard when I open the refrigerator and my boyfriend's buying all this stuff. Or, or for instance, I said the other day, well, who's shopping? She says, well, I am, but they eat other stuff. And I said, well, you know what? You don't have to buy that, you know? Um, you can tell your boyfriend if he wants that, you know, tell him, listen, I'm working really hard. Um, I'm, I need the support and it's really hard for me to buy that and have that in the refrigerator right now.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  Um, if you want it, do you mind you get it? Or can we not have it here? And, and I think just be open and talk about it. Cause as I said, it, it opens up a whole, whole other dimension with relationships.

• 1:01:30Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  And why you're not supporting, I don't know what's up.

• 1:01:34Rich Roll?

  Bring two people closer or that relationship is going to explode.

• 1:01:37Julie Piatt?

  But I mean, doesn't, I mean, isn't, uh, when you make a shift in, in lifestyle or in any kind of endeavor, journey, spiritual or in your, you know, life creatively with food, I mean, there are some relationships that need to change or that you say goodbye to, or you turn down a different path.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:59Rich Roll?

  Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the harsh reality, you know? When you start to. You know, I mean, the analogy I always use is recovery, but yeah, like when you're, when you know, when you're drinking and using and you're in a bad place, you know, water rises to its own level and you have a lot of lower companions. I certainly did. And then when you get sober, you're like, I can't be around those people anymore. I need a new set of friends. Or you start to develop self-esteem and you start doing esteemable acts and, you know, the, the, the level of water in your glass starts to rise and you start to attract a higher quality of person. And so when you, whenever you take upon yourself to improve yourself, there's gonna be, sometimes there's fallout with that. Like, other people in

• 1:02:40Rich Roll?

  your life maybe don't want you to be better, you know, and they, they like it when you're smaller.

• 1:02:47Julie Piatt?

  Or they don't want you to change. I think people just, just naturally don't maybe always embrace change. And if you're changing, and if you're changing too quickly, then that means something's happening to me.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Or they see themselves, basically. You know, you're rising above.

• 1:03:04Rich Roll?

  It's scary.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  And I don't say above like in, you know, an ego sense, but they may think you're stronger than them. And in, in a sense, you are. Like, you're in that down place and you're drinking and you're in a bad place and they are too. And you kind of stop and move ahead. I think people see how they want to be. And it's hard for some people to take that step.

• 1:03:26Rich Roll?

  Well, yeah, because it provokes a fear response. Because if somebody's improving, then it means, oh, man, are they gonna leave me if I don't sort of step up and do what they're doing? And if I don't want to do that, or I'm scared of doing that?

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Or can I, can I myself do that?

• 1:03:41Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  You know? And as I said, all this, we're talking about the holistic thing. This, this just is like the beginning. It started with that juice and now we're like into like a...

• 1:03:52Rich Roll?

  I know. We're into, you know, yeah, heavy analysis.

• 1:03:55Julie Piatt?

  We're meditating now. Oh, my goodness.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  But it's really interesting. I mean, it really opens up everything. And, I mean, this is what health is about. It's mental, it's spiritual, it's...

• 1:04:06Rich Roll?

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:07Julie Piatt?

  Well, I mean, as I always say, quote someone, I don't know who originally said this, but...

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  We are spiritual beings having a human experience, not the other way around. And, and getting with the food and getting reconnected with living vibrant foods is the first step to making that connection. Why are you laughing at me?

• 1:04:29Rich Roll?

  Because when I was in rehab, like, and I, I had like 10 days sober and I was out of my mind.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Did somebody say that to you?

• 1:04:35Rich Roll?

  No, they said that we were like in some group counseling session and the counselor was like, "So, you know, you, you have a choice." He goes, "Are you have, are you a, are you a physical being having a spiritual experience, or are you a spiritual being having a physical experience?" And I said, "I'm a physical being having a, I don't know, am I having a spiritual experience? But I'm definitely a physical being." And he's like, "Wrong." I was like, "What are you talking about?" And it took me years to understand, you know, what you just said, you know, but it was first posited to me then, you know, and so, but it, but it gets to the point that you're both making, which is, and, and kind of the point that I was trying to make in the book,

• 1:05:18Rich Roll?

  sort of between the lines. It's like you read the book, it's like, "Oh, you know, the plant-based diet, and then all these, you know, crazy endurance adventures." But, but really, what I was trying to say, maybe I didn't say it very well, is like, that changing the diet is just the first step. You know, that's what you need to, you need to, that's what, you know, sort of, that's the pipe cleaner that allows all these other changes to transpire and allows you to kind of explore and embrace a better version of yourself, because you have to clean the filter, you know? But it doesn't, it doesn't end with that. That's the beginning point of the journey, you know? So it's like, "Okay, you've cleaned up your diet, you're energized, you feel good. Like, now where are you going to direct this energy, you know? And if these emotions are suddenly coming up, like, what is that about?

• 1:06:01Rich Roll?

  And how am I going to navigate and overcome some of these other character defects? Or what's wrong in my relationships? Or what am I not expressing?"

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it doesn't have to be a scary thing.

• 1:06:13Rich Roll?

  No, no, no, it's an adventure. It's an adventure. It's sort of like, "Oh, my God, now I feel..." It's a way of equipping yourself for that growth experience, I think.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  And you know, this all also happens when you're ready for it to happen.

• 1:06:26Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  I find people come to me when they're ready to come to me. And most people I work with are really motivated, they're excited, they want the support. I mean, you know, you kind of go through your hills. And valleys, but most people are ready. And you're saying with this emotional, all these layers that kind of come undone. You know, people might be listening and saying, oh, my gosh, you know, it's too scary. I'm not going to have green ever. I'm not going to clean up my diet, but because I don't want to freak out. But you know, this all just happens. I mean, just naturally. And it's very interesting to see because as I said, when you work with people, and this is what you do, you see this naturally and they're they come, they say to me, hey, I feel this or what do you think?

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  So it's something that evolves within oneself.

• 1:07:15Julie Piatt?

  Yes, and I would say that for all the for all the struggles or all the fears that you have to face or all the challenges that you have to embrace, that the person that you find beyond the kale.

• 1:07:31Rich Roll?

  Beyond the kale.

• 1:07:34Julie Piatt?

  You will, you will be so delighted and happy in your life when you access that. So it really.

• 1:07:41Rich Roll?

  When you get beyond the kale.

• 1:07:42Julie Piatt?

  Beyond the kale. So now it's what I'm trying to say is it's really worth it. And when you're ready, you are ready. So, you know, you have the courage within you in each, each being does. And, and now you have tons of support because there's all kinds of amazing people coming forth with, you know, techniques and tools and information.

• 1:08:05Rich Roll?

  And the podcast is always here.

• 1:08:07Julie Piatt?

  And the podcast is here for you. And we've got Lisa with Whole Body Beautiful and Ritual.

• 1:08:23Rich Roll?

  So Lisa, when, how long have you been on a plant-based diet?

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Um, well, I was vegetarian for years when I was in Paris.

• 1:08:30Julie Piatt?

  You can't be vegan in Paris, can you? No, we have a friend.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  I was vegetarian in Paris.

• 1:08:35Julie Piatt?

  You were, yeah, well, yeah, because, you know.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Well, I was thinking about this.

• 1:08:39Julie Piatt?

  Homage.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, homage. Oh, la la. But, you know, seeing the animals hanging in the windows was really new for me coming from Florida. I'd walk by and would see all the, you know, upside down ducks and animals just all there in the windows. And that was pretty wild for me. So I kind of stopped eating meat for a while and was vegetarian for years. And then started birthing a lot of children and then kind of went into some meat for a while and which was worked well at the time. And then after, I mean, all just kind of evolved for me. This is kind of how I just felt and went back to vegetarian and then kind of went to vegan. And, you know, I was training and knew so many great vegan athletes. I said, well, I don't have to worry there.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  And as I said, I was pretty educated. You know, there does have some, you need some education, obviously, being vegan and being an athlete. You have to kind of know what to do a bit. So, um, yeah, I mean, it's been a good experience. So I would say at least full but vegan, at least three years or more.

• 1:09:44Rich Roll?

  Three years.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  Four years. Um, and then, yeah, as I said, vegetarian for like 18 years before that.

• 1:09:49Rich Roll?

  Right. And how do you feel that eating the vegan plant-based diet has impacted your training? Like, how does that? Um, I mean, were you, were you racing triathlons before? Like, is there a difference that you noticed? Or some of the things that you've kind of learned about how to repair your body or, you know?

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  I mean, I think, um, I think recovery is pretty fast. Um, I'm rarely sore. I mean, after a race, I'm a little sore.

• 1:10:19Rich Roll?

  Well, if you're not, then you didn't, you didn't go hard enough.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  That's a basic. I mean, I have some pretty hard training things, but, um, yeah, I mean, I have, as I said, I really feel my, the energy and the food I eat. I mean, I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm like, I'm off the walls sometimes, even too much. Where, you know, I even talk to people about certain things you need to eat to kind of bring down your energy, a lot of root kind of stuff. For a vegan, for instance, a lot of root vegetables and yams and that kind of thing is a little more grounding. Um, but, yeah, I mean, I've got so much energy. It's really great.

• 1:10:53Rich Roll?

  It's pretty awesome, right? Do you get, do you get shit from people? From other athletes? Or what is the reception to like?

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  You know, I think they look at you, you know, one, as an athlete, like people would look at you or me, and I think they see how you train, they see how you perform, they see how you look, they see the energy you have, the positivity, and they ask you, what are you doing that you can be that way? And I think it just kind of speaks for itself.

• 1:11:23Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  And so people, I find people coming to me saying, what can I do to have that energy to, to train like that, to do what you're doing? And so then it kind of opens the door for them to say, you know, maybe I'll, I'll try a little bit of that. And as I said, it's not me pushing being a vegan, but it's what works for me.

• 1:11:41Rich Roll?

  Right. Well, it's the power of the athlete, because the, you know, it's just how you're living and performing. You know, people just look at your performance, or how you're training day in, day out, or your race results, or, you know, what your body looks like, and they make a judgment call, as opposed to a doctor who says, gets up on a podium and says, you should eat this because of X, Y, and Z.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of nutritionists out there that I know, working with the athletes that are, you know, pushing protein, protein, lots of meat. Some people are fine with it, some aren't, and, you know, I always say to them, you know, you have to do what works for you. I mean, it's not working for you, and because you're seeing this person telling you to do that, you know, doesn't mean, you know, he's the right person for you, or, you know, he's not working with what you need.

• 1:12:29Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  So, I, you know, I tell people to be open, and to try different things, and to see, you know, how it works. And as I said, there is a, a bit of a science to it, you know, as you know, with certain protein after you've had a long workout, and recovery, and hydration, and carbs, and you know, there's all that to work with.

• 1:12:47Rich Roll?

  Right, but it's not that big of a deal. You know what I mean? That shouldn't be a reason to scare somebody off.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no. No, and we have everything, you know, we, I don't mean we as in, you know, a special group, but, you know, being a plant-based athlete, I mean, there's plenty of food out there for everybody.

• 1:13:02Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  You know, and there's plenty of stuff to eat, and to live healthy, to train healthy. You know, it's not a problem.

• 1:13:11Rich Roll?

  I don't think it is.

• 1:13:12Julie Piatt?

  You don't think it is, honey? No problem for you.

• 1:13:14Rich Roll?

  I don't think it's a problem.

• 1:13:17Julie Piatt?

  So you had a pretty amazing experience in the form of a crash. And really a miraculous recovery. And I'd love for you to tell us and the listeners, share that story. So what happened? You were training on Kauai?

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was on Kauai on a bike, on my bike, on a race bike. And it was, you know, pretty, it wasn't any great story like, you know, at the finish line. Getting to be first place, going to 55, you know. But, you know, I was on a flat road, going about 25, you know, miles per hour, nothing major. And, you know, there was this divot in the road and some sand. They were doing some work on the side. And I had my race wheels on, so, you know, they're lean and mean. And my front wheel just took out, turned all the way left, almost 180 or something, and just threw me onto the highway. And as I was going down, I thought, you know, my peripheral vision, I'd just seen if there was a car.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  And I think I could see one way back there. Well, not too way, but way enough that it was not on my shoulder. And I hit, and I bounced, I flipped. And first thing I thought was just to get out of the road. So I flipped my bike from the left side I hit and flipped it to the right and tried to stand up and took a step and just kind of got my bearings. And then there was the car that came. He looked at me. He told me I was pretty bloody, which I didn't remember. So he pulled over and stopped. And I took a step on my left, oops, sorry, on my left foot and my leg. And I felt like my hip flexor not feeling so great.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  And I went, the first thing I thought was, oh damn, I can't run for a couple of weeks. And I think I pulled something. Like, oh shit. So, um, the guy was there and he says, where do you live? And of course, I lived 15 minutes down the road. You know, they say the accident happens five minutes from your house. And he put me in his car with my bike, drove me home. I think one or two, it was very early in the morning, because that's when I rode. Really early. And one or two of my kids were there and, uh, kind of carried me, helped me limp over to the couch. And he said to my kids, oh, your mom had a little accident and I just brought her home. And so the, my first thing as a mother being, don't worry, kids. I'm okay. And of course, I looked a mess and road rash and I don't know.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  My daughter actually took a picture, which I didn't realize till months later. And I saw the picture, which is pretty emotional. And I'm like sitting on the couch and I, I had this look on my face of shock. I was in shock and disbelief and just kind of staring out into space. And I don't remember her ever taking that picture, but I, I think of that picture is, it's just wild, you know? Um, because I was, it wasn't me, I was somewhere else. And, um, a friend of mine came over and tried to clean me up a bit and got me up. And I walked into the bathroom and almost passed out. And she says, you know, I think we should go to the hospital and just have your road rash cleaned up at least, you know? Cause I popped three Advil and I thought, you know, I just really pulled something.

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  And, uh, went to the hospital. The doctor was a triathlete.

• 1:16:36Rich Roll?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  And he says, well, Lisa, since you took a step or something, I think you didn't break anything, but let's just take an X-ray. And he came back and he was like, you know, you broke your hip. I'm like, I did? And he says, yeah, we gotta get into OR. And I'm like, what do you mean? Don't I go home to think about it? He says, no, no. So you made a phone call and just so happens, uh, someone actually pretty good was on Kauai that did hips and knees. And, um, because other than that, I'd be out to Honolulu or something off Kauai. And they got me in an ambulance, got me down there. And I was in surgery and they bolted in three titanium huge screws. Put my hip back together and screwed me together in the hopes that it would mend back.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  So I couldn't walk on it for three months. So I was crutches. I was allowed to still train after a little while.

• 1:17:28Rich Roll?

  Right. And you had made this, this team that was going to China at the time.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Oh, right. Yeah. I had just qualified for the national championships three weeks before and I was supposed to go to China with the USA team. So that, well, when it all happened, you know, of course I told the doctor.

• 1:17:45Rich Roll?

  And then the first year, like, I'm training. Like, when can I get back here? The first thing that you have.

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  I thought I was going.

• 1:17:50Rich Roll?

  Titanium pins in your hip and you're like, I can run, right?

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the doctor said, you know, let's give it three months, no weight bearing. I'm like, oh, because he put me together in the hopes that because I was young and it fit so perfectly that there was a good chance it would heal back. And he didn't want to replace it because he said, you know, you're young, let's see if you can keep your hip. But there was a third, about a third of the patients that this happens to, what happens is your, all the little veins there get sliced, you know, they're broken off. And so they have to reconnect. And there's a third, about a third that don't, patients, it doesn't happen.

• 1:18:25Rich Roll?

  So it's not getting enough blood flow to the area.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  Right. And so it gets necrotic. And so we kept, I went off it for three months, put my crutches to the pool, was on the trainer, couldn't run, didn't run for a year, by the way.

• 1:18:39Rich Roll?

  Oh, a whole year. Wow.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, the story goes is that after about eight months, we had it MRI'd. I went to Colorado, the Stedman Institute, and it came back 90% not healed.

• 1:18:53Rich Roll?

  After a year?

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  Eight months.

• 1:18:56Rich Roll?

  Eight months.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  So there went China. Because I thought after four months it would heal.

• 1:19:00Rich Roll?

  This was in like 2010?

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  This is, um, yeah, like, yeah, like two, yeah, like two years, two, two and a half. Um, yeah, that too. And um, so that was a bummer. And so we made the decision. I found a great doctor here in LA who like pioneered the, you know, the anterior approach in the front of the hip.

• 1:19:25Rich Roll?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  And came to him and told him what I did and he was awesome. And so he replaced it. So now I have a ceramic, full ceramic hip.

• 1:19:34Rich Roll?

  That's amazing.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  And uh.

• 1:19:36Rich Roll?

  So they take the pins out. How does that work? They create like the ball and the whole thing?

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, he took, I've got the pin, I mean, took the pins out, the hip out. Hip wasn't happening and I got a full replacement. And he put ceramic in, because you know, the metal now they've come out to realize that it's, you know, the little metal pieces are coming out into the blood and. So, you know, we're like a whole new brand of hip replacements, us athletes who are of a certain age. And, you know, we're not in the books as 20 years from now what's happened. So he said to me, don't run on it for three months. Um, see how you feel and then you can run. I thought my running days were over, so I was gonna go into cycling. I thought, okay, this is it. We'll full on cycle and, you know, compete and do.

• 1:20:19Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  And then I went back after six weeks and he's like, you know what? No, you can run. I'm like, oh. And so I waited three months and I remembered that first run and, you know, I just kept, you know, actually during the, the pin stage, um, I was on Kawhi. We were racing. I had what we called the dream team. So I, um, I did the bike, I had a swimmer and I had a runner. So we did relays and so kind of kept me training, gave me goals. You know, you and I before were talking about having goals and, you know, it was just so important even through, um, you know, you know, people who are unhealthy or have medical issues or an injury, you know, still to have a goal or even not an injury to keep you motivated.

• 1:21:02Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  And, you know, my goal at first was to get better for China. That wasn't happening. So, um. I just, you know, kept having these little goals, you know, to have to keep me going. And, uh, yeah, it worked.

• 1:21:16Rich Roll?

  That's amazing. And so how does that color your current perspective on training and racing? Like, how does that, having had that experience, how does that inform how you approach, you know, your racing and your, I mean, is it, are you scared, are you more scared on the bike? More timid? Or are you more sort of, you know, in gratitude for being able to do this again? When you thought maybe you wouldn't be able to, like?

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, you know, in the very beginning, when I remember having my first ride on the bike after my hip was replaced, you know, you're a little cautious. And then you kind of, you know, it's like getting back on the horse, you know? You remember what it feels like and.

• 1:21:52Rich Roll?

  By the way, like riding in Kauai is a little scary.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  Well, people say that. I don't know. We do some major climbing and hills on Mole Island. It's, you know, but I mean.

• 1:22:01Rich Roll?

  No, but I mean, it's more like, uh, because the, at least on the North Shore, the road's always a little bit wet. And then what are those berries that fall, those trees that are everywhere?

• 1:22:10Speaker 02

  Depends on the season.

• 1:22:11Rich Roll?

  Yeah, like it's just, I feel like the road's always just a little bit slick.

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  It keeps you, it keeps you on your toes. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's, it's not the best riding, I mean, safety wise.

• 1:22:22Julie Piatt?

  When we were there, everybody was so concerned that Rich was riding on the road. And then I met you and you weren't concerned at all.

• 1:22:28Rich Roll?

  No, yeah, everyone was like, really? You ride your bike here? Like, you better be careful.

• 1:22:32Julie Piatt?

  They would pull me aside. They were like, get him off, get him off the bike. I worry about him every time he goes out.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  It's one road and just goes around the island. And you know, for me, um, even here too, I ride first light. I ride when it's really early. And also here in LA, I ride usually my long rides on the weekend, you know, really early. Um, there's just so many people out. I mean, on Kauai, there's a lot less people. So when you're out at six and 5:30, six in the morning, it's fine, you know? And you just gotta make that commitment. As we're saying, how do you do it? Fit it all in, Bill? You need a three hour ride, you gotta wake up early.

• 1:23:05Julie Piatt?

  You gotta go at five.

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  You gotta, and, and also the safety, you know, the safety aspect of it.

• 1:23:11Rich Roll?

  And so what does a typical training week look like for you? Like, I got some grief because I've had a couple of female athletes on the show before, and I haven't been as specific with them about their training routines as I have been with the men. So I got accused of being sexist.

• 1:23:25Julie Piatt?

  I think you're sexy.

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  Sexy or sexist?

• 1:23:29Rich Roll?

  Sexist.

• 1:23:30Julie Piatt?

  Same thing.

• 1:23:31Rich Roll?

  No.

• 1:23:32Julie Piatt?

  No, so tell us.

• 1:23:34Rich Roll?

  Like, how many hours a week are you training? I mean, you're incredibly fit, you know, like, you look at you're ready to, like, line up and podium at any race you just put your mind to right now. Which is more than I can say for myself at the moment.

• 1:23:46Julie Piatt?

  You do win a lot. She wins a lot.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  I try. I mean, it's fun, you know? I do what I can, because as I said, I juggle a lot, you know, with kids and my husband travels a lot, he's not at home. I probably, in the recovery situation, you know, aspect, I probably need a few more hours sleep than I get. But, you know, I'm swimming three, four times a week, on the bike, three, four times a week, I'm running three, four times a week. Now, I've really tried to take off a day a week, Sunday. I just need that. And I tell people that, too, just for the mental downness, you know? I look forward to it now, just even if it's staying in bed till 6:30 or something, you know?

• 1:24:27Rich Roll?

  God forbid.

• 1:24:28Julie Piatt?

  So luxurious.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  You know? And then my son will say, "Mom, is it the day off?" You know, and it's so cute, but I feel bad.

• 1:24:34Rich Roll?

  I think a day off is super important. I always have taken a day off, a recovery day, even super hard training, like, always one day off a week.

• 1:24:43Julie Piatt?

  Thank God.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  I remember when I was training with a coach and that, you know, I was going through, like, two, two and a half weeks before I got a day off. And the first couple of months, it was like, whoa. It was hard, but, you know, I do what I can, you know? I don't do ultra like you do. My distances are shorter, you know? I'm running half marathons, I'm usually racing triathlon and Olympic distance because I like it shorter, faster, sweeter. I know you're a long, a long...

• 1:25:09Rich Roll?

  That's just because I'm not good at the unit issue and stuff.

• 1:25:12Speaker 02

  I know, it's so funny, I speak to long-distance athletes and they're like, "Oh, my God, it's just, it's so painful to go fast." And I'm like, "But, don't you want to go fast?" You know, like, I'm thinking, an Ironman, I just want to go fast all the time. And I'm like, "I can't go that fast on that distance." So I, you know, I try to, um, I try to break it up where I can. As I said, for me to have, I have to have a schedule to juggle all those balls.

• 1:25:35Rich Roll?

  And do you work with a coach or do you just come up with your own?

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  Um, it depends. I, I have a running coach now. I have an awesome swim coach. Um, that's where I'm at. I might switch that up later on, um, to get someone maybe. I used to have one that does it all. So it depends on kind of where I'm at.

• 1:25:52Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  Because on the off season, I was doing a lot of running. Um, just I was doing some half marathons and, and working more on my running because I had that year off.

• 1:26:01Rich Roll?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  So my swimming and biking were great and then I just needed to boost up the running. So I boosted up the running and now I'm just kinda, you know, it's hard to juggle all three.

• 1:26:09Julie Piatt?

  I love how you say that, you know, because I had that year off.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, not year, year off from running.

• 1:26:14Julie Piatt?

  Like it was, like it was a, a break.

• 1:26:17Rich Roll?

  Like you were on vacation.

• 1:26:18Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  I had a broken hip. I was still swimming.

• 1:26:20Julie Piatt?

  But that's powerful. It's powerful the way that she looks at it. And that's the thing is you, when I spoke to you about this experience, uh, previously, it's your attitude. You know, you have such an amazing, positive, um, kind of can do attitude. And you do, you have great energy. So good for you.

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  You know, I think back at, um, kind of, you know, you'd stop and you think probably back for you when you were in like the lowest point you were at and you think, God, how, how did I get through that? I think of that sometimes. I think of the pain I was in, how I was walking. I couldn't walk upstairs normally. I'd had to put one leg out to the side. I was limping. One leg was shorter than the other. And I was just going through it, you know, but I think also your brain gets to a point where you're not maybe firing at a hundred percent, as you probably know.

• 1:27:05Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  And you're, it's that survival mode. And I think also as athletes too, we get to this survival mode where we have to actually stop and take a breath and say, okay, you know, this is too much or, you know, that's not normal, that pain, or, you know, I am training too hard. What's up? What's behind that? You know, so to have that day off in the week. Kind of brings you back to center a little bit.

• 1:27:28Rich Roll?

  And you have to have some experience and kind of self-knowledge to be able to gauge that. You know, it takes years of kind of training and racing to to kind of be able to gauge those signals when they come up. And when you were saying like, oh, I have a swim coach and I have a running coach. And, you know, I think that that, you know, if for a less experienced athlete who's trying to do triathlon, who has a different coach in all three disciplines, like, that can be a problem because, you know, they're getting one thing from their swim coach, one thing from their running coach, and one thing from a cycling coach. And those those three things may not mesh in a holistic way to make you a better triathlete. You might just end up like exhausted.

• 1:28:07Speaker 02

  Well, usually you do because you they don't know what the the program is. As I said, I'm kind of work with a I train with a lot of a bunch of athletes that work with our Jerry Rodriguez, who's our swim coach, who's great.

• 1:28:21Rich Roll?

  I love Jerry.

• 1:28:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 1:28:23Rich Roll?

  One of these days, I will show up.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  I'm waiting. I keep asking you. I'm gonna get there.

• 1:28:29Rich Roll?

  I'm gonna do it.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  I'm dragging your butt. And, you know, so as I said, and the bike, I'm OK right now. We're because I as I've done this for a while, I know what I need to do. And my running coach, Darren DeRocque in Boulder, he's great. He, you know, he's a triathlete as well. He competes. He's an awesome athlete himself. So we kind of all get each other. But as I said, we'll see next season if I, you know, want to go full bore, you know, probably would get a coach for everything and then just look at my race plan. I mean, this year's a little hard. My husband's been away all year. You know, injury thing, coming back into running, you know, doing a few races. But, you know, I'm just kind of assessing everything.

• 1:29:10Rich Roll?

  So you're not keyed up for one specific race that you're going for this year?

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  Well, I was I was supposed to race two races this month, but I had a little bit of a injury. So I'm not a those are out, unfortunately. So I'm kind of reassessing them.

• 1:29:24Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Was Wildflower one of them?

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was supposed to race in the ITU two weeks before that.

• 1:29:30Rich Roll?

  Oh, in San Diego?

• 1:29:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:31Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  And what what happened?

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  Well, little the bike, a little slide out and fractured six ribs. So I'm.

• 1:29:41Rich Roll?

  Just a little, just just fractured six ribs.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  But I'm feeling good today. Today is my first run back and first full swim. And I'm ready to go, you know, and. She's Iron Woman.

• 1:29:52Rich Roll?

  I know. I cracked a few ribs when I crashed in Kauai.

• 1:29:56Julie Piatt?

  He's such a pussy.

• 1:29:57Rich Roll?

  I was a puss. I was done.

• 1:29:59Julie Piatt?

  What's wrong with you?

• 1:30:00Rich Roll?

  I know.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  Get up.

• 1:30:01Julie Piatt?

  She's fine. She met me the next day. We were hanging out. She'd already been riding or something. Oh, no, you were swimming. You tried to swim.

• 1:30:09Rich Roll?

  No, actually, you were gonna come in and do the podcast.

• 1:30:11Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:30:12Rich Roll?

  The day after you crashed and we had to, yeah, I think you were, you would have, if I had said, oh, come on, you still would have shown up.

• 1:30:19Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, but we wanted you to be happy.

• 1:30:21Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm happy instead of in pain. No, you know, then I think back, and I don't say six or extra ribs, nothing, but you know, you think back, well, you know, I've been through worse and it'll heal. And the frustrating part for me is that not, you know, doing the races I wanted to do. But, you know, I always say that other things happen, you know? This didn't happen, but I had an awesome month with clients and people have helped and awesome things have happened. And, uh, and that's good. It might not have happened if, you know, I was away.

• 1:30:55Rich Roll?

  It's important, it's important to reserve judgment on things like that that happen because you don't, you don't have the big picture. You don't know. You don't, you're not in a position to say this is bad and this is good.

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, and it always works out, you know? It's not life and death and you just kind of re-alter and you relook and you get some, your goals kind of switch. And, you know, it works out.

• 1:31:16Rich Roll?

  And it's easier to have that perspective when this is the lifestyle that you've adopted. It's not about like, I need to do this, this year or all is lost. It's like, no, this is the way you live your life. Like, your, the expression of your life is manifest through, you know, the activities that you do and what you share with your clients and, you know, whether you're injured or not, that will continue, right?

• 1:31:41Speaker 02

  Right. And, you know, I think it just makes me, um, you know, kind of gives character, you know, to who you are and how you're dealing with it and, um, As I said, it's all a movement forward. It's all another part of you and you become stronger. You know, as I said, with what you went through, with, you know, what I went through, if we didn't, we wouldn't be who we are.

• 1:32:00Rich Roll?

  Right. What do you say to clients that come to you and, you know, they wanna start exercising? Or they don't have a history of being an athlete. They're not connected to their body in that way. You know, maybe they hate running or just have never had a good experience with doing anything outdoors. But they need to do something. Like, what is the advice that you give?

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Well, usually I'll probably ask what they enjoy. You know, what is it they really enjoy, what they're doing now? And as I said, I would say it's a step-by-step, you know, program. It's just the way we take things. Just, it's not all at once. If it's for someone that does absolutely nothing, that's overweight, I said, you know, can you walk for five, 10 minutes after dinner? Or do you, what time do you have? You know, when's the best time for you? What can you do? And they'll start off with walking. Or there's, you know, people that are starting back running again. They haven't for years. Or, as I said, with the switch in diet and then the exercise. And, you know, all of a sudden, as you said, they start to feel it. They start feeling more confident. They're dropping a few pounds. Or they're getting more energy. Or you work with athletes that, you know, are switching things up they never thought of switching up.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  Or they're giving themselves some more downtime. You know, you, you know, you deal with people like that who overtrain, who are just so busy, just actually to talk to you, that Kim can't even schedule that in. So that's what I said. People come to me when it's kind of time and they're ready, because you're gonna make that time. And I say, you know, this time isn't me trying to tell you for the hour of how to do it. It's you giving yourself the time and you making the commitment, because this is for you. You know, this is your time. So, you know, as I said, I just, I work around what's possible for them to start with. And also what they, as I said, what they enjoy. Because if they don't enjoy it, they're not gonna stick to it.

• 1:33:43Rich Roll?

  Right. I like it. What do you think, Julie?

• 1:33:48Speaker 02

  I think it's genius.

• 1:33:49Rich Roll?

  You think it's beyond kill?

• 1:33:51Speaker 02

  It's beyond the kill. It's definitely beyond.

• 1:33:53Rich Roll?

  That is totally beyond the kill.

• 1:33:58Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's wise, absolutely. Because, you know, we should all be doing what we love and enjoying ourselves. So it's different for everybody. But I'm just sitting here imagining what it would be like for Lisa to get me out on the bike.

• 1:34:15Rich Roll?

  That's hilarious. You gotta do that just because I wanna see that.

• 1:34:18Julie Piatt?

  And just video it.

• 1:34:19Rich Roll?

  I wanna make a videotape of Julie with a kit on and a bike helmet on because I just can't even picture that. Actually, I can't even, I can't picture you jogging.

• 1:34:28Julie Piatt?

  You can't?

• 1:34:30Rich Roll?

  Actually, I can't even, I can't even picture you in a pair of running shoes, just standing in a pair of running shoes.

• 1:34:36Julie Piatt?

  I would be a barefoot runner, I think, sweetie.

• 1:34:39Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:41Julie Piatt?

  The Vibram, I can see her in those.

• 1:34:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I can see that.

• 1:34:44Julie Piatt?

  The Vibram thing. But, I don't know, I'm, I'm open.

• 1:34:50Julie Piatt?

  One step at a time, Julie.

• 1:34:54Rich Roll?

  That would absolutely be the most hilarious thing ever if you like started training and you were like, I'm going riding with Lisa. I'd be like, what is going on?

• 1:35:03Julie Piatt?

  That would not be good for our marriage.

• 1:35:07Julie Piatt?

  That would create some new challenges.

• 1:35:10Rich Roll?

  You can't train today, babe, because I'm training with Lisa.

• 1:35:13Julie Piatt?

  We're going out for eight hours.

• 1:35:16Julie Piatt?

  Gotta go.

• 1:35:16Rich Roll?

  See you later.

• 1:35:19Julie Piatt?

  Trying to work it all in. No, I don't, I really don't.

• 1:35:23Rich Roll?

  I'm doing threshold intervals.

• 1:35:26Julie Piatt?

  Julie has her own thing, right? Everyone's different. I don't think so. Right? But, I don't know.

• 1:35:32Rich Roll?

  Well, I'll give you a swim lesson if you want.

• 1:35:34Julie Piatt?

  That would be amazing. Let's do that, definitely. It's time I learned how to swim.

• 1:35:42Julie Piatt?

  At this beautiful pool.

• 1:35:44Rich Roll?

  Married for 14 years.

• 1:35:47Julie Piatt?

  We've all, honey, we've, we've been together. What's going on?

• 1:35:50Rich Roll?

  Whoops.

• 1:35:51Julie Piatt?

  Ooh. Oh, I like that. It's like a little interim.

• 1:35:55Rich Roll?

  No, what happened?

• 1:35:56Julie Piatt?

  That's the... I guess that's my key to go. That's a Rich and Julie's, they've been married for 14 years music.

• 1:36:05Julie Piatt?

  That's good. I like that.

• 1:36:07Rich Roll?

  I don't think that will, uh...

• 1:36:10Julie Piatt?

  I like that.

• 1:36:11Rich Roll?

  That's the outro that was left over from the last episode. Actually, I think when we, when we do this, you won't hear that.

• 1:36:17Julie Piatt?

  I like it, actually. You should make sure they hear it.

• 1:36:19Rich Roll?

  That was when the last, I guess that's when the last episode ended and I forgot to take that out to create this.

• 1:36:25Julie Piatt?

  It's cool. I love that track.

• 1:36:26Rich Roll?

  I'm an audio genius.

• 1:36:29Julie Piatt?

  We're gonna get you some, we're getting Rich some audio assistance.

• 1:36:33Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:33Julie Piatt?

  So that he can do more podcasts, which is great.

• 1:36:37Rich Roll?

  Yeah, actually, I need a, I'm looking for a podcast producer, somebody with solid audio chops.

• 1:36:45Julie Piatt?

  Absolutely.

• 1:36:45Rich Roll?

  Who's in the Los Angeles area, who wants to come and be a part of this little pirate ship.

• 1:36:51Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 1:36:52Rich Roll?

  That we're growing here. So if there's anybody out there who's listening, who's, who's interested, you can get in touch with me on Twitter or by sending an email through my website at richroll.com because we're, we're trying to create the foundation to grow this into something bigger and eventually create a network of shows too. So there's a lot of upside opportunity and yeah.

• 1:37:13Julie Piatt?

  And I got a show coming up.

• 1:37:15Rich Roll?

  What's that? Your show?

• 1:37:16Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:16Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:17Julie Piatt?

  So...

• 1:37:17Rich Roll?

  Beyond the Kale.

• 1:37:18Julie Piatt?

  No, I can't, I'm there. I'm gonna have to change the name now.

• 1:37:22Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:23Julie Piatt?

  It's Divine Throughline, but Beyond the Kale is pretty good.

• 1:37:27Rich Roll?

  That is pretty good, actually. I think that captures...

• 1:37:30Julie Piatt?

  We gotta grab that. We'll have to grab that.

• 1:37:32Rich Roll?

  Cause you are beyond the pale, anyway, so...

• 1:37:35Julie Piatt?

  Funny. But anyway, so no, honey, we haven't been married 14 years.

• 1:37:39Rich Roll?

  We've been married for 10.

• 1:37:41Julie Piatt?

  Is it gonna be 10?

• 1:37:42Rich Roll?

  Coming up on 11?

• 1:37:43Julie Piatt?

  Coming up.

• 1:37:43Rich Roll?

  No, coming up on 10.

• 1:37:45Julie Piatt?

  July 12th. No, is it 11?

• 1:37:47Rich Roll?

  No, I think it's 10.

• 1:37:49Julie Piatt?

  Yes. It's 10.

• 1:37:50Rich Roll?

  You don't know?

• 1:37:51Julie Piatt?

  We don't know.

• 1:37:52Rich Roll?

  Shame on you.

• 1:37:53Julie Piatt?

  Every day is like the first date with you. Every day's a honeymoon. Every day.

• 1:37:58Rich Roll?

  Definitely Beyond the Kale. That's David.

• 1:38:02Julie Piatt?

  But we've been together

• 1:38:03Rich Roll?

  This is devolving.

• 1:38:04Julie Piatt?

  14 years, just to be clear.

• 1:38:06Rich Roll?

  Let's wrap it up.

• 1:38:07Julie Piatt?

  Okay, we're done. Wait, does Lisa have anything else?

• 1:38:09Rich Roll?

  Well, yeah, I'm gonna get into that.

• 1:38:12Julie Piatt?

  Okay, you're so proprietary with your podcast.

• 1:38:16Rich Roll?

  So, thanks for being here, Lisa.

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:38:19Rich Roll?

  So, if people want to find out more about the wonderful, beautiful Lisa Fallon-Mindel, you can go to wholebodybeautiful.com. That's the main way, right?

• 1:38:28Speaker 02

  Right, that's my website.

• 1:38:30Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's your website.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm on Facebook.

• 1:38:32Rich Roll?

  Facebook and Twitter. Is it Whole Body Beautiful on Facebook or just your name?

• 1:38:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, Lisa Matt Fallon-Mindel on Facebook.

• 1:38:40Rich Roll?

  Cool. And you occasionally tweet?

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:43Rich Roll?

  You're not afraid of Twitter?

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I'm trying to get that Twitter. You're good at that, you know?

• 1:38:48Rich Roll?

  Early adopter.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do more of a long or bloggers and photos and recipes and talking. And I can't, I can't speak that long. They give me a cap on Twitter.

• 1:39:00Rich Roll?

  Are you on Instagram?

• 1:39:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:01Rich Roll?

  Oh, you're there.

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, Whole Body Beautiful.

• 1:39:03Rich Roll?

  I gotta follow you on Instagram.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've got some good shots.

• 1:39:07Rich Roll?

  Right on. And are you taking new clients now? Like, if somebody's interested in speaking to you or learning more about what you're doing?

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, if they can look at my website, see what I'm about, and send me a message on that, we can talk.

• 1:39:19Rich Roll?

  All right, cool. All right, I think we did it.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks. Thank you.

• 1:39:25Rich Roll?

  How do you feel?

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  Good.

• 1:39:26Rich Roll?

  You get it all out? Anything else we didn't?

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  We could just keep going. I don't know, lots of stuff.

• 1:39:32Julie Piatt?

  We'll have to do it again.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  We just keep going. Yeah, we'll come back.

• 1:39:35Rich Roll?

  We'll have you back.

• 1:39:36Julie Piatt?

  We'll do it again after Lisa coaches me in my first triathlon.

• 1:39:40Rich Roll?

  Yeah, that'll be good.

• 1:39:41Speaker 02

  We're gonna get her on a super sprint.

• 1:39:42Rich Roll?

  A web series around that.

• 1:39:47Julie Piatt?

  That would not be good.

• 1:39:48Rich Roll?

  We could put that one up on Funny or Die.

• 1:39:51Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, what if it's not funny?

• 1:39:55Rich Roll?

  Well, then it'll die.

• 1:39:58Rich Roll?

  Okay, sounds good. All right. Thanks, Rich Roll. Thank you for being here. You're an inspiration. No, thanks. Thanks for doing this. Lucky and happy to have you in our life. Absolutely. Me too. And we gotta go get that swim in soon. Yes, we're waiting. I know. Well, I'm not gonna wait, I'm just gonna bring you. Well, I've been flaky, so it's time for me to... Commit. Commit. Commit. All right, we're out of here. Thanks, everybody. We're back soon with more episodes coming at you. I'm going back to New York pretty soon, and I'm lining up some cool guests for my visit there. Oh, actually, you know, I just had some emails today with... I tweeted the other day, I don't know if you saw this. There's this one public school in the Bronx

• 1:40:42Rich Roll?

  that is the first school to institute a vegetarian school lunch. That's awesome. Yeah, I read about that. And I've been emailing back and forth with the teacher there, and I'm gonna try to get him on the podcast. And he's gonna, he's trying to, he had to get clearance from the school system or whatever to come and talk about it. But I think that that's... That's amazing. Amazing. So hopefully, I'm gonna sit down with him and learn more about how they made that happen. Because the school lunch thing, like I said, that's, that's a huge thing that we all need to pay attention to. Well, that's why I packed my kids' lunch. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right, that's it. Thanks, Lisa. Yeah, thank you. All right. All right, everybody. Talk to you soon. Peace. Peace. Plants.