How To Train Smart: Coach’s Corner With Chris Hauth

Today I am joined by Chris Hauth for round two of my new and novel Coach's Corner edition of the podcast. A sub-9 hour Ironman, Chris (@AIMPCoach) is the current Age Group Ironman World Champion, a former Olympic Swimmer and one of the world's most respected endurance coaches. In 2006, Chris won the Ironman Coeur D’Alene and went on to be the first American amateur & 4th overall American at the Ironman World Championships in Kona, Hawaii. When he's not training and racing, Chris coaches a wide spectrum of athletes ranging from elite professionals — including Ironman and Western States top finishers, Ultraman winners and Olympic Trials qualifiers — to first time half-marathoners. A friend and mentor as much as a coach, Chris has deftly guided me through three Ultraman World Championships ('08, '09 & '11), EPIC5 in 2010 and is currently preparing me for the impending Ötillö Swimrun World Championships in Sweden this September, an event we will race together — literally tethered to each other — as a team. Today we sit down for a brief (by the standards of this podcast) state-of-the-union on our training at 11 weeks out from Ötillö, then shift focus to a number of fitness, training and overall wellness subjects germane to the listener — whether you are an elite athlete, a weekend warrior or just looking for that nudge to get off the couch. Specific subjects discussed include: * Chris & Rich's preparation for Ötillö * Getting Rich ‘race fit' at 50 after a 5-year break * Training into your 50's & 60's * Chris’ training & racing philosophy * Pros & cons of external monitors/trackers * Fitness versus racing * Chris' three pillars for peak performance * Training smart vs. training hard * The primacy of process over results & enjoyment over obsession * Strategies for optimizing recovery I could have never achieved the level of athletic success I have enjoyed without Chris' deft counsel, so it is with pleasure that I share his wisdom with you today. I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange. Peace + Plants, Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:05Chris Hauth?

  Fitness isn't about what you can do one day, especially in the endurance world. It's how you feel the next day and a couple of days later so that you can continue to repeat the process and continue to get fitter. So many people can blow out a great one day, but then they're shelved for a couple of days and then the workout quality of what they did gets lost. But if you can come back from, let's say, our 8,000-yard swim yesterday and swim a good swim practice today and not feel too tired from it, or like you were saying earlier, I feel pretty good, that didn't take that much out of me, that's a sign of fitness. That's what I define as fitness, because now you're able to withstand what I, what

• 1:47Chris Hauth?

  the training plan throws at you, and you're absorbing it, right? You're taking the load and can absorb it, and therefore get stronger.

• 1:57Rich Roll?

  That's Chris Hauth, and this is another edition of Coach's Corner on the Rich Roll Podcast.

• 2:13Rich Roll?

  The Rich Roll Podcast. Hey everybody. How you guys doing? What's happening? My name is Rich Roll. Welcome to my podcast.

• 2:29Rich Roll?

  We did it. That's the business end of the podcast. Let's get to the show part. Today I am reprising our popular Coach's Corner segment of the show. If you listened to my episode with Louis Cole a while back, I think that was number 285. I checked in with Chris Hauth, my coach, for about, I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes on the progress of my training. We talked about endurance sports. We talked about balance, all kinds of cool stuff. And the feedback was really good. People really enjoyed it. They wanted more of that. So we're doing it again today. For those of you that are new to the program, Chris Hauth is a former Olympic swimmer and world-class triathlete. He won Ironman Cortlandt in 2006. He's also the Ironman Age Group World Champion.

• 3:14Rich Roll?

  He was the first American amateur and fourth overall American at the Ironman World Championships in Kona. And now he's a full-time coach. He coaches everybody from Western States top finishers to Ultraman winners, tons of swimmers, people training for Olympic trials, and even just, you know, people starting out. So all the way from elite to the person who's trying to like lose weight and tackle their first, you know, half marathon or what have you. And he's a great guy. I started working with Chris in 2008. He's coached me through three Ultraman World Championships, also Epic 5. And now together, we're training as a team for the upcoming Odele, I think that's how you say it, Odele, World Championships, the World Championships of Swim Run in Sweden in September.

• 4:00Rich Roll?

  It is a, basically it's in like an eight hour, eight, nine hour ultra swim running adventure race where you kind of island hop in this, in this archipelago of islands just south of Stockholm. It's really beautiful and cool and I'm very excited about my preparation for this race, which is going to be happening in about 11 weeks. And I was just up in San Francisco this past weekend. I was able to go up to Marin and put in a good day of training with Chris and I thought it was an opportune time to reprise our Coach's Corner segment on the show and check in on how I'm doing, how he's doing, and discuss a myriad of subjects that are also germane to all of you guys, whether you're an elite athlete, an amateur athlete, a weekend warrior,

• 4:45Rich Roll?

  or just somebody trying to work your way back into fitness. Chris, I should mention, has also previously been featured on this show way back, episode 21, and also a second interview with him, episode 256, and of course, the Coach's Corner, which was 285 with Louis Cole. So in any event, this conversation is going to cover our preparation for Ode Lowe, details about the race and the gear and all that kind of stuff, what it's been like to get me back into competition shape after a five-year break, the approach to training when you're in your 50s and 60s and above. And it's about defining peak performance for you, which I think has

• 5:27Rich Roll?

  to encapsulate and incorporate the enjoyment factor, how to train enough to complete your goal without over obsessing and ruining other aspects of your personal life, which I think is super duper important. In fact, just about an hour ago, I read an incredible blog post by Amelia Boone. And for those that don't know who she is, she is the queen of obstacle course racing. It's a sport that she just downright dominates. And this post that she wrote was really powerful and vulnerable. It was all about how her upward success trajectory really sacrificed the joy and the gratitude that attracted her to endurance sports in the first place. And it's about her journey back to finding a way to race that is fun.

• 6:09Rich Roll?

  joyous that that allows her to feel gratitude. And I thought it was really beautifully written. So I'm going to link it up in the show notes. Today is Wednesday, so I'm probably going to put that in roll call as well. In any event, I love my man, Chris. I think you guys enjoy him too, all of our conversations. So without further ado, I give you my conversation with Chris How.

• 6:34Rich Roll?

  All right, we're sitting here in, what is this, a sports medicine clinic?

• 6:38Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, Presidio Sports Medicine. It's an old historic spot in the Presidio.

• 6:43Rich Roll?

  Uh huh. It's cool. It's a, it's a hop, skip and a jump away from where I did the podcast with Biz Stone. His office was, is like right down the street here.

• 6:51Chris Hauth?

  Right on.

• 6:52Rich Roll?

  So it's cool to be back here.

• 6:53Chris Hauth?

  Presidio.

• 6:54Rich Roll?

  I know. It's amazing. I mean, when I lived in San Francisco, the Presidio was just military base, essentially, right? And now it's totally privatized with all these super cool bungalows.

• 7:05Chris Hauth?

  Big old playground.

• 7:07Rich Roll?

  It's pretty cool, man. So, all right, man. So we're back for another Coach's Corner. With the great Chris How. We're going to check in on training. We're going to talk endurance, sports and life.

• 7:19Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 7:20Rich Roll?

  Where you just mentioned to me before we started, we're 11 weeks out.

• 7:24Chris Hauth?

  Of our race, yeah.

• 7:25Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I keep calling it Otillo, but I think the pronunciation is Odilo. Do you know how, do you know how they say it?

• 7:30Chris Hauth?

  I think with the umlaut on top, it's Otillo.

• 7:33Rich Roll?

  Otillo, yeah, Otillo.

• 7:35Chris Hauth?

  Or something like that.

• 7:36Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think that's

• 7:37Chris Hauth?

  Probably we need to hear somebody.

• 7:39Rich Roll?

  I've been saying, I'm excited. I'm a little bit nervous and I thought it would be an appropriate time since I'm here in San Francisco. And we, we put in a good training day yesterday together to kind of check in and do a little status report on the State of the Union.

• 7:54Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, I think it was really fun yesterday because we can see that we swim the same speed now.

• 7:59Rich Roll?

  That was a relief to me.

• 8:00Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, and it's, it makes it very manageable now to do the workouts going forward too, because I'll do a swim set, or I'll do a workout, and I'll just give you the exact same one, and the same paces and so on. So that'll make it easy to manage through that. And then, from the running standpoint, even if we're not exactly the same, the fact that we can manage each other through our day will be helpful too. I mean, we're not that far apart. And so, as one person is working through that section of the run, maybe the other person is holding some nutrition, or helping motivate, or getting through it, or navigating, letting you know, 5K to go now on this stretch, and sort of all the other ones suffering through that stretch.

• 8:45Rich Roll?

  Well, that's a very kind and generous way of putting it, because the truth of the matter is, is you're a much better runner than I am. I think my zone two right now in running is probably in the 730, 740 range, and yours is down at like 7 minutes.

• 9:01Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 9:01Rich Roll?

  So, so the job for me is to improve on that running as best I can in these 11 weeks, so that I can bridge that gap a little bit. But, the truth is, you're a stronger runner. So, for me, that means, well, I guess for you, that means, for both of us, I suppose, it's going to be about staying in touch, and how we're going to be able to do this together, and not, you know, drift apart.

• 9:30Chris Hauth?

  And then the good thing in the training too, is I was just getting ready for a half Ironman, so I brought up my speed a little bit, especially from a Z2 standpoint, it brings it down a few seconds per mile. And so, we'll do something similar for you, so that we keep the endurance going, but bring up the speed a little bit more. And you've seen that the last few weeks in your training, that we started to do some more explosive work, some threshold work, some higher speed work, so that your body can get efficient there, that economy that we talk about. And then, so that your zone two speed will be a little bit faster, because you're more efficient at it.

• 10:06Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to that. And that's been the biggest change in the approach to this race versus Ultraman. And we talked about this yesterday, but Ultraman, it's just about like... Getting that locomotive slowly up to speed and just holding it as long as you can and being as steady and as efficient and consistent as possible where with this race, it's constantly stopping and starting and accelerating and surging and pulling back and you know, going back and forth between swimming and running so many times that your heart is going to be up and down. So the training approach has been a lot of surges and strides mid-run, some interval

• 10:45Rich Roll?

  work and getting me acclimated to the idea of the heart rate spiking and getting it to settle back down as quickly and as efficiently as possible. And that's, that's brand new for me, but I feel like I'm finally starting to acclimate to that a little bit.

• 11:02Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, and the heart rate probably won't come down that often in some of these shorter sections that we just looked at. It's also just being familiar and confident of knowing to see a certain heart rate or feel a certain way, knowing that you can continue on, you don't have to worry about it. I see so many athletes, whether it's on the track or in cycling classes, they'll look at their heart rate monitor during the class and get freaked out by the numbers that they're seeing and it already starts taking away from the value of that interval of that workout. Sometimes just put it away, trust that you're building the fitness. If you blow up and fail, that's why it's training. It's a perfect time to understand how long you can hold that lump in your throat, barely can breathe, going that hard effort.

• 11:44Rich Roll?

  Yeah, right. I think you tweeted the other day, something about, you know, this, it had to do with our relationship with our wearables and our tracking devices and how we can become too wedded to them and become too predictive about what we think we can or can't do. And you said, you know, look, sometimes you gotta just, you gotta race, otherwise you could just mail in your, you know, send, email your training data in and they would make a decision on who wins.

• 12:13Chris Hauth?

  Wow, look at that.

• 12:14Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So there's a difference between.

• 12:18Rich Roll?

  You know, an appropriate, responsible use of these tools to, you know, kind of predict where you're at.

• 12:25Chris Hauth?

  Exactly.

• 12:26Rich Roll?

  And tweak your training appropriately and just knowing your body and letting go of all that and getting into feel and racing.

• 12:34Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, and the confidence of having seen numbers and feel, having felt like that is so huge in a race of a longer day like ours, eight to nine hours, where you just know I can recover from this, I'll be fine. You go through so many emotional swings in these endurance days and even in shorter races where you think three minutes is endlessly far away, but if you just let it happen and trust that it will eventually come down, let's say your heart rate, or that you'll eventually feel better in a few minutes, but no quick irrational decisions, just be patient and you've seen this before, you're familiar with the process and your brain can just sort of accept it versus being freaked out by it and using energy that you don't

• 13:19Chris Hauth?

  want to waste anyway.

• 13:20Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I noticed that when I'm in a, in a, in a phase of training where I'm fatigued and I go out for a run and the first 15 minutes are just horrific and you just feel like there's just, I'm not going to be able to finish this, like I gotta pull the plug. But then, you know, something will click and then you feel fine, you know, so it's not about saying like, oh, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to give up, you gotta trust that you're going to, it's going to change how you feel, at least when you have that base of fitness.

• 13:47Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, and oftentimes it clicks when you stop thinking about it and just allow your body to take over the natural motions of the activity you're doing. Oftentimes when you're out for a run and if you're looking at the pace and the heart rate and doing that check on how you're feeling too much, you never back out of just relaxing and enjoying the process. And then, next thing you know, a few minutes later, you're like, ah, there it is, I just let it happen.

• 14:12Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 14:13Chris Hauth?

  And that's the nice part.

• 14:15Rich Roll?

  So I feel like you've had me on a bit of a maintenance program lately because I've had a bunch of travel and my schedule's been a little bit off, you know, what I would like it to be when I'm at home and life is busy like it is for most people. And I keep waiting for you to hit me with the huge week. You know, we're 11 weeks out and it's still like an hour run here, an hour swim. And I'm like, we're looking at an eight, nine hour race, man. Where are those huge days that you threw at me when I was getting ready for Ultraman? Are they coming?

• 14:43Chris Hauth?

  They are coming.

• 14:43Rich Roll?

  Or is this a different approach?

• 14:44Chris Hauth?

  They are coming. It's just that, you know, you've been out of it for a couple of years and we've been on a healthy build. You've stayed healthy, you've stayed motivated, you've been able to handle everything we've done so far. And so peaking too early, trying to do this volume too early and have you either get injured, get sick, or get unmotivated would not be ideal because you're my partner. I need you to be part of this.

• 15:09Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I know. I think you said to me, you might've said it the last time we talked, like, this is the first time where your success is wedded to another individual.

• 15:17Chris Hauth?

  Exactly.

• 15:17Rich Roll?

  And don't, you know, don't think that I don't feel that pressure.

• 15:20Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 15:21Rich Roll?

  You know what I mean? Like, like, I want to do well, but like, I don't want to let you down either, you know?

• 15:26Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 15:27Rich Roll?

  I don't want to disappoint you.

• 15:27Chris Hauth?

  Well, that's half the fun we're going to have out there, right? And so part of your training process is that I want you peaking and feeling your best and really excited to race in mid-August when we're two, three weeks out and you're like, wow, now all I need to do is hold this together, get some good sleep, get some good recovery, and then let it all hang out in a few weeks. If that were happening in June, it's a long time still to go and train. And then you think, my body needs another build and another build. And can I maintain this edge, this really good connection to my body where I feel healthy, I feel fit, and I feel motivated? You put those three together, you might not have to hit the ideal fitness for something, for any event. But if you can put those three

• 16:12Chris Hauth?

  together, you're pretty much ready to outperform what you do in training any day.

• 16:18Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's, I mean, that's, that's the role of the coach, right? It's not, it's not just about throwing as much as you can at somebody. It's about knowing when to do that and picking that appropriate moment for that.

• 16:31Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 16:31Rich Roll?

  You know, and I can't remember whether we addressed this last time we spoke, but we began this structured training regimen back, I think it was November.

• 16:42Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Rich Roll?

  It was about November.

• 16:43Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 16:43Rich Roll?

  And at that time, leading up to that, in the four and a half or five years prior to that, you know, I was getting up and, and getting out there pretty much every day, if not every day, you know, four or five days a week, and feeling like I'm still pretty fit. But where I'm, from where I'm sitting right now, looking back on that, I was like, I wasn't fit at all. Like, the difference in how I feel now versus then is unbelievable. But it took a consistent approach to, you know, intentional training for a six-month period. We're coming up on seven months, just to get back to baseline, you know? And I'm like, oh, this is how it feels to be really fit again.

• 17:25Rich Roll?

  And just being patient and, and realizing it'll take that long to do it in a way that is not going to get me injured or burned out or exhausted.

• 17:35Chris Hauth?

  And that's what I say to so many people is, fitness isn't about what you can do one day, especially in the endurance world. It's how you feel the next day and a couple of days later so that you can continue to repeat the process and continue to get fitter.

• 17:49Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 17:49Chris Hauth?

  So many people can blow out a great one day, but then they're shelled for a couple of days and then, then the workout quality of what they did gets lost.

• 17:59Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 18:00Chris Hauth?

  But if you can come back from, let's say, our 8,000-yard swim yesterday and swim a good swim practice today and not feel too tired from it, or like you were saying earlier, I feel pretty good. That didn't take that much out of me. That's a sign of fitness. That's what I define as fitness. Because now you're able to withstand what I, what the training plan throws at you and you're absorbing it, right? You're, you're taking the load and can absorb it and therefore get stronger.

• 18:28Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I felt. Great today and you know, I flew in from Miami. I didn't get very much sleep. I was like, oh, Chris wants me to get out of the pool, you know, I was like, I don't know if I, you know, how this is gonna go, jet lagged and all of that. We put in 8,000 in the pool and then we did a pretty mellow hour trail run right after that. And I felt awesome and I woke up today. I'm not sore at all from the swim. And I put in another, you know, run this morning and I felt great. So I know that, you know, that fitness is starting to kick in and I can trust on that.

• 19:01Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, yeah. And, and you'll need some sleep and some recovery in a couple of days because things like jet lag or where your body's a little bit more fatigued from just travel, the stress of that takes usually two, three days for it to show itself.

• 19:17Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 19:17Chris Hauth?

  And you'll, you'll probably have one of those days, excuse me, where you're gonna say, wow, I was pretty flat today. And that's probably midweek, but that doesn't mean you can't absorb what you're doing right now. We'll just go easier for a couple of days before we really build back up again.

• 19:32Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think that, you know, as humans, we don't appreciate the natural circadian rhythms that our bodies require. And, you know, when you travel, you just think, oh, I'll shake off jet lag in a day. And it, you know, you just, I don't care who you are like that. It doesn't work that way.

• 19:49Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, they say a time zone is an hour. It takes a day. So if you move three time zones to Miami, in order to really be back at your peak performance and your abilities to train and absorb takes three days, three hour time change. That's why Europe, nine hours, you know, sure, can we get there nine days prior? No, but we can start thinking about the process in the two weeks prior to get us closer to that time zone.

• 20:24Rich Roll?

  One of the things that I haven't spent enough time really looking into and getting comfortable with is all the crazy gear that goes into this race. And it's intimidating me. Like, people have these crazy contraptions where they have they have their pull buoys strapped to their leg, and they have all these pockets in their wetsuit. And there's, you know, a tether, like a rope, you know, an elastic rope that will attach between teammates. I guess that's optional. I don't know how it works. Like, I need to get clear on like, the rules and all of that stuff. And we were talking about it yesterday. Like, do we need all of this stuff? Like, people are carrying, they're like, bivouacking with all this gear. And to me,

• 21:04Rich Roll?

  it seems like the less gear we bring, the we reduce the chance for failure. Because with every piece of gear that you add on, you are, you know, you're complicating the equation, and you're creating opportunities for things to go wrong, or things to get lost, or not function properly.

• 21:23Chris Hauth?

  Or to get frustrated, right?

• 21:24Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 21:24Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. So, we're hoping, you and I, to keep it as simple as possible. That knowing that we're swimmers, and we can keep that, those paces and those times that we want to swim these sections in, that we can simulate that and be ready for that. And that we test it with pull buoy, without pull buoy, with our shoes, and how it all ties in. So, it's going to be a lot of simulation over the next eight weeks, so that we know, three weeks out, exactly what we're doing.

• 21:56Rich Roll?

  So maybe we should recap exactly what this Odele race is, if somebody's listening to this for the first time, and they have no idea what we're talking about?

• 22:06Chris Hauth?

  It's a 75 K distance event. Takes about, for us, we're looking at around eight to nine hours. And it's the Swim Run World Championships. And so, we swim across, I think it's 26 islands. We have 52 transitions. And the runs are anywhere from 11 to 12 K, all the way down to 100 meters.

• 22:30Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 22:31Chris Hauth?

  And then the swims are anywhere from two K to a hundred meters. So you're running across little tiny islands, then jumping back in on the other side.

• 22:41Rich Roll?

  Very cold water.

• 22:41Chris Hauth?

  Exactly.

• 22:42Rich Roll?

  And climbing up slippery rocks.

• 22:44Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 22:44Rich Roll?

  And bouldering a little bit.

• 22:46Chris Hauth?

  Working your way to the next island across the sea. And then getting out and doing it again.

• 22:53Rich Roll?

  And we, we do the whole thing in a wetsuit with our running shoes on the entire time.

• 22:59Chris Hauth?

  Swim cap on, um, until late, but we'll probably take them off for, for heat purposes. Um, and yeah, we carry all our gear with us, so we'll be using paddles the entire time.

• 23:11Rich Roll?

  Yeah, the, the rule is they allow you to basically bring whatever you want to traverse the, the waterways.

• 23:19Chris Hauth?

  Exactly.

• 23:19Rich Roll?

  But the rule is you gotta carry it with you. So some people actually put fins on, right?

• 23:23Chris Hauth?

  Yep. And then they run with their fins.

• 23:25Rich Roll?

  And they gotta carry their fins when they're running. Yeah, we're not gonna do that.

• 23:28Chris Hauth?

  No, we're not doing that.

• 23:29Rich Roll?

  So the big, the big issue with us is, we were talking about the other day, like, are we gonna do this pole buoy thing, or are we gonna bag the pole buoy?

• 23:36Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. Well, we'll see how we design the wetsuit too. So we're lucky that we're getting wetsuits designed for us.

• 23:41Rich Roll?

  So we're working with Roka and, uh, they're, they're designing a, a special wetsuit for us, which I'm very excited about.

• 23:48Chris Hauth?

  So, and they're the input with regards to how the pole buoy will work and where we want our buoyancy and so on will be ver- very valuable.

• 23:57Rich Roll?

  Mm-hmm. There was an article in, uh, Triathlete Magazine, or maybe it was just online, triathlete.com. I don't know when it went up. I think it went up in the last couple of days and it was all about how swim run is finally, uh, getting a foothold here in the U S, uh, and how all the triathletes are now obsessed with this crazy race that was, uh, devised by these crazy Swedes who, I think they came up with it over beers and a bet.

• 24:23Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 24:24Rich Roll?

  Kinda like how Iron Man started, I suppose.

• 24:26Chris Hauth?

  Very similar over a cocktail napkin that had a, a navigational map on the back of it of all these islands. And I think they literally said, wouldn't it be cool if we started way out here and worked our way back? And can we do it in a day? I think the question was.

• 24:42Rich Roll?

  Uh huh.

• 24:42Chris Hauth?

  And of course they did.

• 24:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and so in Europe, Swim Run has become a thing, especially Northern Europe. And this event that we're doing in Sweden is the world championship version of that. But it's a whole series. I think they did Sicily was this past weekend. And now you're seeing these races crop up in the United States and, and people are digging it. You know, it's a, it's a fun, new type of adventure race that I think breaks the, the doldrums of, you know, just doing triathlon after triathlon after triathlon.

• 25:14Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, yeah. And some really cool locations, especially the ones in Europe look gorgeous. And, and some of these countries down there. And then the one this year in the United States is in Maine. So similar concept where you can imagine a rocky, craggy coast and cold water and swimming from little island to island. So it's the ideal spot.

• 25:36Rich Roll?

  I'm excited. I first heard about it when Gordo Byrne and Jonas Colting won it. It must've been five years ago or something, six years, no, maybe longer than that.

• 25:47Chris Hauth?

  Even longer than that.

• 25:48Rich Roll?

  Can't remember what year it was. So that was, that was my introduction to it and I thought it was super cool. Both these guys, Gordo, who you know both these guys, they both are Ultraman world champions.

• 26:00Rich Roll?

  Incredible athletes. Gordo is a coach or was a coach. I don't know if he's coaching athletes now, but is an amazing resource and knowledge base on endurance training.

• 26:10Chris Hauth?

  Great guy. Yeah. Great. Very helpful always. And then there's been a lot of Ironman champions who've done Swim Run. You know, Ferris Al Sultan did it and they're, they're pulling swimmers, Olympic swimmers in from all, all over. So it's, it's going to be quite the event.

• 26:27Rich Roll?

  And, and this year, Hilary Biscay, also Ultraman world champion, is doing it with Caroline Burkle, who is a, an Olympic gold medalist swimmer. And Rebecca Sony, who is also an Olympian, a former podcast guest.

• 26:46Rich Roll?

  Is doing it with the Spartan Race King Hunter, Hunter the Sheriff. So that's gonna be, and he did it last year and they filmed it for Outside Television, which is a pretty fun watch, these guys. So that you can get a good visual on what that's all about. I'll put a link in the show notes up to that. So you guys can check that out. So, so what's my, what's my blind spot right now?

• 27:10Chris Hauth?

  I think the long runs is where we're going to start working into. We talked a little bit about it yesterday, but I want us to get to a point that you're comfortably running three, four hours so that your engine is able to maintain a good four hours of activity. Doesn't have to be high intensity, but we're getting ready for an eight to nine hour event. So as we build over the next few weeks, that you're comfortable with going out and putting forth energy, your heart moving for six, seven, eight hours. So there will be some big days, but six hours is plenty. We don't need to all put it on that day. We want it on the Labor Day that is the race, September 4th, I think it is.

• 27:55Chris Hauth?

  So that's the day we want to go eight hours. But in training that your, your energy systems and your body is ready to just continuously go for six-ish hours. And so we'll get the run going on the volume properly. And like we did similarly for Ultraman, where you're able to get in the pool, do a two, three hour swim, eat a little bit, drink a little bit, and off you go. Do a three, four hour run. There's our six hours right there. Done.

• 28:21Rich Roll?

  Why no cycling? I mean, you've given me a couple, you know, bikes along the way, but only a few here and there. And, you know, given the fact that like cycling is a way to build that eight hour endurance, because you can, you know, keep your heart rate elevated over an extended period of time without the risk of injury that, that, you know, you're looking at if you're putting in too much running.

• 28:46Chris Hauth?

  That's the perfect example to give you because I'm worried about your availability of time. So in order for us to maximize your time towards our event in 11 weeks. I think the cycling right now to build up that time and volume so that you can properly handle a six hour bike ride is not the best use of our time because we still need that longer run every other week. We still want to do some swim run simulation. We still want to keep the threshold work in there. Once you start piling all the things that we don't want to overlook, the time runs out to have a five, six hour bike ride.

• 29:24Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and this is the biggest difference for me versus my approach to Ultraman because my life is just busier, more complicated in a great way than it was, but that's required me to adopt a different mindset in my approach to this race. Whereas when I was getting ready for Ultraman in 2009, you know, 2011, I was just all about it. You know, it's like, give it all to me. I am going in 110% on this. And this year with this race, I'm super focused and I'm going to do all the workouts, but I have to balance that against these other obligations and opportunities that I have, like everybody has, that I don't want to

• 30:04Rich Roll?

  forsake for the purpose of just being all in on training. And that's uncomfortable for me because I don't like to toe the line at a race unless I know I've given everything to it. And so I've had to kind of step back from that and say, it's okay. You know, I want to have fun. You know, it's about the lifestyle.

• 30:25Chris Hauth?

  100% about the lifestyle. And we've talked about this briefly, whether it was this time or last time, but we're not going to win this thing.

• 30:33Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 30:34Chris Hauth?

  And guess what? Even if we did, our lives and responsibilities back home, it's not going to change anything. Great. We'll have a title to put next to our sports, whatever, right? But it's like, okay, well, let's look the best use of our time. Could we train more? Could we really geek out on this and get every detail figured out? Or are we going to go there? Do really well, be competitive, race, right? Not just pace. And then just have the, a good, solid day where we represent ourselves and represent our training and our sacrifice and the time we put into it really well. And we finish and we feel really good about, you know what? That was awesome.

• 31:16Chris Hauth?

  And we did everything realistically that we could, given where we are in our current lives, to put forth on that day. And anything more where you start going back into where you're sacrificing so much time, family, professional life in order to just get third versus sixth.

• 31:37Rich Roll?

  Right. You know? Yeah, and I think that's a, that's a really healthy message for the age group athlete out there, you know, like what, how important is this to you? And what is the impact that it's going to have on your life? And I understand like the sort of feeling that you get of, of knowing you did everything. Like there's, there's a purity to that and a beauty to that. But at the same time, you're exactly right. Like third, fifth, sixth, does it, does it matter? Is it going to change your life? And, and in order to, you know, bridge that final five percent or 10%, the hour, the hours of investment that that requires are disproportionately large.

• 32:15Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, exactly. And we've both been in those lives and we can also give the perspective on, we know what it's like on the other side. And it's, the difference isn't that dramatic or it doesn't buy you anything that much more in your lifestyle that you're a champion of something.

• 32:33Rich Roll?

  And the sacrifice is to live this monastic lifestyle. That neither you or I are going to do, right?

• 32:40Chris Hauth?

  Nope.

• 32:41Rich Roll?

  And I, I think that's a appropriate place to kind of discuss the idea of peak performance in general. Like we talked about this when we were running yesterday. I had Brad Stolberg and Steve Magnus on the podcast and you talked about their book, Peak Performance. And you had a couple thoughts on that that I thought would be interesting to share.

• 32:59Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, well, thanks for bringing that up because I am a big believer in that three stool, three-legged stool concept, right? Your athletics, your professional life and your personal life are each a leg of that stool. And if one of them is not grounded and solid, the stool falls over. And so we can be oh so passionate, oh so focused, have the right mindset in our athletics. But if our professional life or our family life is a weak leg, we're not sitting on that stool, we're falling and crashing. And so it becomes extremely important in all of this message of peak performance for masters athletes. We're not talking, you know, people going to the Olympics or, you know, high school or college athletes still looking to achieve what they possibly could achieve,

• 33:43Chris Hauth?

  is that you need balance. And I remember in many days and many times where I was swimming, getting ready for Olympic trials, or many of the athletes that I work with. And I always make sure that you need to realize that you still have family out there and you still have life out there. And if one creates too much stress, your workouts are compromised too. Right? You're leaving to go on that three-hour run or that four-hour bike ride with some work and you're going, two hours in, you're saying, I really should be back right now answering some of those emails or my wife is going to be really upset with me when I walk in that door because I've been gone again for four and a half hours.

• 34:27Chris Hauth?

  Or there's a zillion stories and it's balancing that so that you actually have peak performance in all three of those.

• 34:35Rich Roll?

  Yeah, because you may complete your workout, but then if you're arguing with your partner for the next three hours or you're in the, you're in the shitter with your boss or something, you know, that's going to create all kinds of emotional turmoil. That's going to impact, you know, it's going to have this ripple effect on, on your entire life.

• 34:53Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, and it's not sustainable. Over the long term, like we keep saying, your ability to do it back to back to back week after week, that creates more fitness, even if instead of what you see, let's say triathletes, twenty hour training week threshold, right? Oh, my gosh, that's a lot of training. You could be quite close to that on ten to eleven hours a week, but if your life isn't balanced, and by balanced, meaning good sleep, good relationships, good, good harmony that you feel really effective in those ten and eleven hours of training. Versus, okay, I'm just gonna add another forty five minute run real quickly here this afternoon, sneak out, tell, tell the family, I'm just getting the paper and I'll

• 35:38Chris Hauth?

  come back an hour later. I mean, of course, there's a little bit of exaggeration in that, but we all have felt that where you leave or you're halfway through a longer workout going, gosh, I should have answered a couple more emails, or I really should have finished that project, or I have that looming over my head. And then the quality of you doing that bike ride, doing those hill repeats, doing that good swim practice is out the window because your mind's elsewhere. You're not in the moment anymore.

• 36:06Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it requires you to let go of some level of perfectionism, right? I have to execute every workout perfectly. Ultimately, you're gonna burn out on that, or something else is gonna bend in your life.

• 36:18Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 36:18Rich Roll?

  And, you know, I always feel like, oh, if I don't do like exactly, you know, what you've sort of mapped out for me, that I'm gonna be way behind and it's gonna be a disaster. But you're always super mellow. You're like, okay. Or I call you and I'm like, I gotta travel, I gotta go. You're like, okay, it's cool. Work it out. Don't worry about it.

• 36:36Chris Hauth?

  We can always catch up on the fitness. I need you to be healthy and motivated, and then I can work on your fitness. If you're not healthy, or if you're burnt out, therefore not motivated, I can give you all the training in the world, but you're not gonna have fun or enjoy doing it or do it right. And by you being healthy in order to absorb the training and motivated, as in have fun doing it, and a smile on your face and really understanding why you're doing it, feel good about why you're doing it, that's the key.

• 37:07Rich Roll?

  And I think from the athlete's perspective, you know, what comes with experience is Knowing when you're starting to edge up against that burnout phase and having the discipline to say, you know, I'm backing off.

• 37:21Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 37:22Rich Roll?

  You know, when you're less experienced, you're less willing to do that.

• 37:27Rich Roll?

  And, you know, as, you know, turning 50 this year, I feel like in some, in some respects, this is like uncharted waters. It's like, I'm 50, like, what can I do? What's possible? And it's exciting to feel fit and to be performing at the level that I'm at. I wasn't sure that I was going to get to this place. I mean, during that six month period of trying to get back, it was like, I was doing all this training just so I could get fit enough to train. And I wasn't seeing it, and I wasn't seeing it. But I just kept showing up consistently. But I had moments of doubt where I was like, I don't, you know, I don't know if it's going to come back. Maybe it won't. Maybe that five years was too long to take a break, but now it's like, it's clicked in and I feel good and I'm excited about that.

• 38:06Rich Roll?

  So what do you like, you know, what is the difference as we age up and with the athletes that you work with that are in their 50s, that are in their 60s and are trying to be competitive? Like what becomes, other than the balance things that we've talked about, like what are the things that, you know, a lot of, a lot of people in those categories overlook or could work on or require a little bit more focus?

• 38:29Chris Hauth?

  Well, something we talked about yesterday is that you can hang on to your old performances and your own train, old training habits and your old training self, right?

• 38:39Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 38:39Chris Hauth?

  When we're in our twenties and thirties, you have, you feel like you have unlimited time and life isn't as busy so that you can train more, recover differently, have those extra hours. But as we get older and more responsibilities come into life, you don't have these magic 20, 30 hours a week to train. And so as we get older, it's of course that, being careful not to try to do the hours or the intensities or the paces or the wattages that you used to do, let go of those. You're a new person now.

• 39:12Rich Roll?

  Yeah. It's train where you're at, not where you think you should be or where you used to be.

• 39:16Chris Hauth?

  Or you, you think you could be.

• 39:19Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 39:19Chris Hauth?

  Right? A lot of people see numbers these days out there and paces and try to force themselves into that too quickly. And then the injury bug comes and we're back to unmotivated, not healthy.

• 39:32Rich Roll?

  Right. That's been most palpable with me in the pool with the pace clock. It's like for a long time, it's like I can't even look at the pace clock. I'm not even going to look at it. Like I'll just count to five or 10 in between these, these repeats and just do, get the workout in. Now I'm fit enough where I feel okay looking at it, but it's that, it's like, you know, back in the day, it's like, I'll do, you know, 10 100s on 105 and hold 55s. And it ain't nothing but a thing, you know? And now it's like, if I can, if I can do a 105, you know, it's like, I'm pretty happy.

• 40:04Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 40:05Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So it's, you have to reframe your expectations.

• 40:07Chris Hauth?

  But just consider that's more than half your life ago.

• 40:10Rich Roll?

  I know, I know. Yeah. Cause I still feel like, I feel like, I feel good. I feel like 20, so I, why can't I keep, why, why shouldn't I be able to, you know, still be able to do that?

• 40:20Chris Hauth?

  Doesn't work like that. And you probably could for a little bit, but again, it's not sustainable.

• 40:25Rich Roll?

  Right. Well, yeah. And then I was swimming doubles every single day and you know, you're putting in 12 to 20,000 yards a day over years and years and years and years.

• 40:35Chris Hauth?

  That efficiency and that economy of doing that is amazing. Yeah.

• 40:46Rich Roll?

  We're going to wrap it up here in a minute, but let's, let's leave people like, we've been very specific to like what we're doing and the race that we're, we're preparing for. But what do you, you know, what do you see in the athletes that you work with? That are sort of common mistakes or things that trip, trip up a lot of the athletes that you work with that are easily fixable or just, you know, some digestible wisdom for people who are maybe preparing for their first marathon or half marathon or half Ironman?

• 41:18Chris Hauth?

  Yep. The key there is listening to your body, right? We have so many tools and so many distractions these days on what our body should be doing. Heart rate monitors, pace and all that. But just listening to your body, knowing that it needs sleep, knowing that it needs good nutrition, knowing that it needs to recover and your ability to come back the next day and do something again is the key. Right?

• 41:43Rich Roll?

  I know, but come on, like I, what watch are you wearing? Like I, I need to know like what, you know, like which heart rate monitor should you get?

• 41:50Chris Hauth?

  I get that question. I get those questions all the time.

• 41:53Rich Roll?

  I posted on Instagram the other day, like I get so many like DMs and comments and like, you know, what, what, cause what watch are you wearing? What's the heart rate? I read this post, I'm like, it's not about the gear. The gear's cool. It's awesome. I like my garment. It's fun. And it's helpful, but that's not the focus of my approach to my training, you know? And it can become a distraction. And I, I wrote this whole long thing about like, just don't worry about it. Like just go out and, and move your body. Listen to your body. Get intuitive about how you feel.

• 42:26Chris Hauth?

  It tells you so much. It tells you so much. And I've said to so many athletes, if we get to them to the point where your morning resting heart rate is truly the indicator of our training and how you're doing this run versus the last run differences in heart rate. And then that, we're in a pretty good spot because then you're pretty fit that we're looking at those details. Let's first get that fitness that you feel really good about yourself, really connected to yourself. Because after a while, you'll know when you're not sleeping well. You know, when you're not rested in the morning, you can feel it in your heart rate on your own, or when you wake up super tired. You'll know when you're super hungry. You'll know when you crave certain types of food. Oh,

• 43:08Chris Hauth?

  that's electrolytes or that's mineral deficits or, you know, there's so many things that your body gives you clear signals for. You just need to understand that language it's speaking to you.

• 43:18Rich Roll?

  Yeah. And the difference between that and the garment, when you, when you have the garment, you're, you're outsourcing all of that. You're almost cut, you're turning that switch off and you're training yourself to not pay attention to how you feel because you just want the data on the, you know.

• 43:33Chris Hauth?

  And like we said yesterday with the activity trackers, right? Sure, you can have gone a certain amount of steps today, but what was the quality of those steps? I mean, you know, you can walk downhill on those steps too. But it's, think about the quality of what you're doing. It doesn't have to be a certain amount. It has to be what is it I'm doing that's truly of quality and value to me? How am I progressing forward?

• 43:58Rich Roll?

  Yeah, when we went on that run, I mean, we ran like nine thirty pace. You know, it's like.

• 44:02Chris Hauth?

  And I told you as we were finishing, I was like, that's perfect.

• 44:05Rich Roll?

  The guy sitting across from me, two-time Olympian, age group world champion in Ironman, and he's going out for casual run, and you're not worried about like, oh, these have to be under seven.

• 44:15Chris Hauth?

  No, not at all. It was more about conversational pace, which we did. It was more about clean, technically sound motions, which we did. We ran light. We ran good strides, good form, and it's not about the pace. When we need the pace, it's there because we create economy of motion in the clean stuff when we're going easy.

• 44:36Rich Roll?

  What is your take on all the kind of recovery tools that are out there from compression gear to compression boots to foam rollers and, you know, all the kind of stuff that's avail- like, all the devices and the things that we can buy and invest in? Like, what is your approach to your own recovery and how do you talk about that with your athletes?

• 44:57Chris Hauth?

  My recovery is, my personal recovery is totally different. I, like I said, listen to my body. I don't use anything. I don't foam roll. I don't stretch. I sleep. I mean, I go to bed when my kids go to bed, and I get my eight to nine hours a night of sleep. And I know that's a luxury, and not a lot of people have the schedule of the time to do that. But sleeping well, eating right, and listening to your body. So, sure, those are great aids to help you get more in tune with your body, because a lot of people have commented to me, "Well, Chris, you've been listening to your body since you were six years old, and you've been a swimmer all your life and an athlete," and so on. So,

• 45:36Chris Hauth?

  of course, I'm in more tune with my body. But use those recovery tools and equipment and clothing to help you get more in tune. If you're recognizing that the compression of Normatec boots is working for you, notice where else it might work for you or what other products. Just stay in sync. Notice what it's doing. Don't just blindly put it on and say, "Now I'm magically good."

• 46:01Rich Roll?

  Right. Or, or use it as an excuse to not do, you know, which is something I talk about all the time. "Well, I can't train for an Ironman because I can't afford Normatec boots."

• 46:09Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 46:12Rich Roll?

  Or I, you know, I, I can't get the, you know, that Garmin watch is too expensive. So I'm just not going to go running at all.

• 46:18Chris Hauth?

  And they have cheap options on all that and cheap, not in bad quality. It's just pretty affordable and it just starts you down the road of understanding what your body is telling you. Cause as you've said before, you used to have to look at a heart rate monitor for what you're running and what your zone two is about. But after a couple of months of doing it, you don't need a watch because you know exactly what you're doing. You can feel it. You know, the sensations that each zone brings with it. And that's the point you want to get to.

• 46:46Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think we talked about this last time, but I can vividly recall back in the swimming days. I didn't need to look at a pace clock. I'm sure you didn't either. It's like, I knew when I touched the wall on, on repeats, exactly what my time would be because you're so connected. You're so in tune, like, oh, that was a 101, that was a 58.

• 47:04Chris Hauth?

  And that's the key word, connected. And if everybody, if everybody, if more people could just be a bit more connected with their body, then they'll listen to it better and therefore nourish it better, therefore sleep better and get more out of it. And that's huge. Just those three things, nourish it better, recover better and listen to it better. Connectivity.

• 47:28Rich Roll?

  Yeah, but that's not sexy.

• 47:29Chris Hauth?

  No, no. And it takes a while and you actually have to quiet out everything else in order to listen to yourself a little bit.

• 47:37Rich Roll?

  Yeah. I think the other key component to this whole thing is patience. You know, I know that you've had many experiences with athletes that come to you and they're super excited. They got a big goal and they just want to go out and, and get it done as quickly as possible. And they ramp up too soon and it took years for my body to change and acclimate to this kind of lifestyle. And I think you have to be okay with the long-term plan and not try to get it all done in a season.

• 48:05Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. I mean, we've all seen a house being built. By the time they clear the lot, put the foundation down and those first few bricks, you think it takes forever. And then all of a sudden, once they've done that, it starts going up pretty quickly.

• 48:19Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 48:19Chris Hauth?

  Right. But that foundation, that brick upon brick upon brick takes a while. But each brick is solid and it's going to stay there for a long time. If you're patient with it and you lay that brick properly.

• 48:33Rich Roll?

  Chris House. Good to talk to you, man.

• 48:36Chris Hauth?

  Good to catch up. It was great training yesterday. That was a lot of fun.

• 48:38Rich Roll?

  It was super fun.

• 48:39Chris Hauth?

  First masters workout.

• 48:40Rich Roll?

  I know. Well, it was funny. I said to you, like, I think it's the first time, like, I do all my training alone. And like, I don't, I don't have a solid masters program that's near my, I mean, there are plenty of them around, but they're not close to where I live. So I just go and I do the workout by myself.

• 48:54Chris Hauth?

  And

• 48:54Rich Roll?

  It's fine.

• 48:55Chris Hauth?

  Old ladies that do their exercise.

• 48:57Rich Roll?

  Yeah, the old, you had the exercise. But no matter what time I go to the pool, no matter how I time it, I always get there right when that class starts and they take up like half the pool. They like, they take up an inordinate amount of real estate in the pool. I'm just like, ah.

• 49:11Chris Hauth?

  We should talk to them about best pool boy use. They know how to use those things.

• 49:14Rich Roll?

  I know, I know. And the other thing is like they, the pool that I've, that I've been swimming at, they keep it way too warm because it's kind of like for an older set of people that come in to luxuriate. So yesterday was great because the, the water temperature was appropriate. And it was a structured workout with a coach on deck and a master's team. I was like, I haven't done this in like eight years and it made that eight thousand go so much more quickly than if I was doing that by myself.

• 49:42Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Rich Roll?

  This is going on forever.

• 49:45Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Rich Roll?

  You know, so I don't know, maybe I'm gonna have to drop in on some structured workouts.

• 49:51Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, it's fun every now and then to jump in and just speed train with a couple of fast swimmers. And there were plenty of fast swimmers there yesterday.

• 49:59Rich Roll?

  Really good swimmers. It was cool. And so you got a half Ironman coming up this weekend?

• 50:03Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, Coeur d'Alene.

• 50:04Rich Roll?

  Nice, man. That's your favorite place.

• 50:06Chris Hauth?

  It is my favorite place.

• 50:07Rich Roll?

  You won your Ironman. Did you win that race twice or once?

• 50:09Chris Hauth?

  Uh, once.

• 50:10Rich Roll?

  Once. Uh huh. What year was that?

• 50:12Chris Hauth?

  Two thousand and six.

• 50:13Rich Roll?

  Uh huh. So going up just to do the half.

• 50:15Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 50:15Rich Roll?

  And it's gonna be interesting because you haven't been riding your bike very much, have you?

• 50:19Chris Hauth?

  So it's just gonna be, it's gonna be a great day to just bust out the best possible effort. And just see where I'm at. And if I blow up, I blow up. I, I, I'm not going anywhere with this.

• 50:30Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 50:31Chris Hauth?

  And it'll, it'll be fun. I'm going up with my kids and they're gonna get to see me race. They haven't seen me race in many years.

• 50:38Rich Roll?

  Oh, cool.

• 50:38Chris Hauth?

  So, yeah.

• 50:39Rich Roll?

  Awesome, man. Well, thanks a million. We'll do another check in, I'm sure, before, uh, before the race. But I appreciate, uh, all the sage wisdom and guidance that, that, uh, you've given me, you know, and in the wake of that workout yesterday, I was going back into the city and I was just reflecting on.

• 50:57Rich Roll?

  You know, this journey that I've been on and how integral you've been in every phase of it. You know, when we first started working together, like 2008, getting ready for that Ultraman, I had no idea like where this was gonna take me. And my life has changed so profoundly. And you're a very key component in that. And so I'm super grateful to

• 51:18Chris Hauth?

  Well, thank you.

• 51:19Rich Roll?

  to have your support and to have you by my sides. I'm really excited to race with you.

• 51:24Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, that's gonna be a new adventure. Racing together will be fun. I'm super excited for that myself.

• 51:30Rich Roll?

  Awesome. So you can find Chris on Twitter at AIMP Coach, also on Instagram, right?

• 51:38Chris Hauth?

  I don't do much. I'm private on Instagram. It's mainly pictures of my kids and my dogs and stuff like that.

• 51:45Rich Roll?

  And you've got your, you've got your own podcast.

• 51:48Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 51:48Rich Roll?

  Endurance specific.

• 51:49Chris Hauth?

  The Weekly Word.

• 51:49Rich Roll?

  The Weekly Words. You can find that on iTunes, right? You didn't, you were, you were just sending that out to your athletes for a while, but then you finally pulled the trigger and put it up on iTunes.

• 51:56Chris Hauth?

  Well, a lot of my athletes just kept asking like, come on, man. I don't want to go to you, go to your website and have to download it and listen to it there. And so.

• 52:05Rich Roll?

  Uh huh. Cool. You've been enjoying that?

• 52:07Chris Hauth?

  I actually have been. It's, it's a lot of fun and it's a great opportunity to just put my thoughts out there that I've observed all week during reading coaching logs and training logs and also training with my athletes where I get a lot of questions and it's great to share that.

• 52:23Rich Roll?

  Yeah, awesome. So check that out and we'll catch you back here soon.

• 52:27Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 52:27Rich Roll?

  All right, man.

• 52:28Chris Hauth?

  Eleven weeks.

• 52:29Rich Roll?

  Good talking to you. Oh no, crap.

• 52:31Chris Hauth?

  [laughing]

• 52:33Rich Roll?

  All right. Peace. Blance. All right, we did it. I hope you guys enjoyed that. If you did, let me know. Should I do more Coach's Corners? I think I'll probably end up checking in with Chris at least one or two more times before our event. But hit me up on social media and let me know how that one landed for you guys. If you're interested in the details of my daily training progression towards this event, follow me on Instagram. I'm posting daily stories, kind of behind the scenes on my training. And also I'm posting every day on Strava with this. Specific workouts that I'm doing. And if you enjoyed Chris on the program, definitely check out episode 21, episode 256, and our first Coach's Corner Skype interview,

• 53:17Rich Roll?

  which was a pre-fatory kind of 10 to 15 minute interlude before my conversation with Louis Cole in episode 285. If you want to connect with Chris, you can find him at AIMPcoaching.com and also on Twitter at AIMPcoach. And that's it. Have you guys checked out our meal planner yet? I talked about this last week at the end of the podcast. I'm so proud of this program that we created. Not only is it unbelievably affordable, just $1.90 a week, it's so helpful to people. It basically gives you access to literally thousands of plant-based recipes, thousands of them. And everything is super customized. When you sign up, you have to answer all these questions so that the program knows exactly what your needs are, what your

• 54:00Rich Roll?

  preferences are, the foods that you like, the foods that you don't like, the foods that you have access to, your time constraints, any number of variables that allow it to basically serve your best interests. It also creates unlimited meal plans, grocery lists, it has grocery delivery in 22 metropolitan areas. We're getting amazing feedback on it. Everybody who's signed up is absolutely loving it. And it just makes me so happy to be able to put out a really robust, helpful product that everybody can enjoy, that is really affordable for most people. So check that out if you haven't already. You can find it at meals.richroll.com or just click on Meal Planner at the top of the page on any page at richroll.com. Also,

• 54:41Rich Roll?

  we have Plant Power Ireland coming up, July 24 through 31. It's in County Cork, Ballyvilan, this amazing 90-acre manor. We're going to take a group of about 30, 35 people through seven days of transformation. It's going to be super fun, but it's also going to be really intense. Julie's designed an extraordinary menu. We're going to do workshops on cooking, nutrition. We're going to do trail running. We're going to have intensives on relationships and creativity. It's going to be amazing. I don't know what else to tell you. Our trips to Italy have been absolutely life transformative, not only for The people that attended, but also for Julie and I. And we're really cultivating and crafting this community. All the alumni of the trips that we've done are really bonded to each other.

• 55:24Rich Roll?

  They have face groups and everybody's really connected. They travel to see each other. It's just been really, really cool. So excited about this upcoming trip. We do have spots that are still open. So if that sounds cool to you, go to ourplantpowerworld.com and learn more and reserve your spot. If you'd like to support this show and my work, share the show with your friends and on social media, subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, leave a review. And we have a Patreon account for those of you who would like to support the work that we're doing here financially. And to everybody that has done that, mad love. Thank you so much. And as I said last week, I am really trying to find a way to honor that commitment with some content

• 56:07Rich Roll?

  that goes beyond what I'm offering on the podcast. Perhaps monthly Ask Me Anything episodes that only Patreon members get access to, or certain video Facebook Lives, or I don't know, I'm thinking about it. I'm interested in it. A couple of people reached out to me over the course of the week, as I mentioned it last week at the end of the podcast, and people said yes, they would be into that. So I am, the wheels are turning on that. I do want to be able to like honor you guys in a real and fundamental way. If you'd like to receive a free short weekly email from me, I send one out every Thursday. It's called Roll Call. Basically, five or six things that I came across over the course of the week, like this article that Amelia Boone wrote about her journey through endurance sports. That's going to be in Roll Call. And,

• 56:51Rich Roll?

  you know, documentaries I've seen, videos I've watched, podcasts I've listened to, a product that I'm enjoying, things like that. I'm not going to spam you. When you enter your email address on my website, you'll get Roll Call every Thursday. You'll also get announcements about podcasts when they go live, and then the occasional, very, very occasional product announcement. And that's it. I want to thank everybody who helped put on the show today. Jason Camiolo for audio engineering and production, and now also help with the show notes and creating the website page for the episode. Sean Patterson for help on graphics and theme music. As always by Analema. Thanks for the love you guys. It feels so good to be coming at you twice a week, every other week, and I'm excited to continue this trend. So be well.

• 57:34Rich Roll?

  I hope that you take Chris's message to heart today and that you incorporate that into your daily life. And I will see you back here in a couple of days. Peace. Plants.