Chris Hauth: Building Better Athletes, Training For Optimal Performance & Achieving Fitness For Life

This week marks the highly anticipated return of Chris Hauth to the podcast. A sub-9 hour Ironman, Chris (@AIMPCoach) is the current Age Group Ironman World Champion, a former Olympic Swimmer and one of the world's most respected endurance coaches. In 2006, Chris won the Ironman Coeur D’Alene and went on to be the first American amateur & 4th overall American at the Ironman World Championships in Kona, Hawaii. When he's not training and racing, Chris expertly coaches a wide spectrum of amateur and elite professional athletes across a variety of disciplines, including Ironman and Western States top finishers, Ultraman winners and myriad swimmers towards age group nationals and Olympic Trials. My relationship with Chris began in 2008. A coach/athlete mentorship turned friendship that profoundly and forever altered the trajectory of my life. Brilliantly guiding me through three Ultraman World Championships ('08, '09 & '11) as well as EPIC5 in 2010, my debt of gratitude for Chris' tutelage cannot be overstated. Simply put, I could have never achieved the level of athletic success I have enjoyed without his deft counsel, which has been instrumental in maximizing my potential as an athlete and bettering me as a human being. Today I am pleased to share his wisdom with you. This is a general conversation about Chris' evolving philosophy on training, racing and life. It's also a granular and technical masterclass on optimal training protocols, the common mistakes most athletes make, the approach and mindset required to break the glass ceiling on potential, and how to effectively balance performance goals against general health and well-being. But at it's core, this is a conversation about multi-sport as a crucible for self-awareness and growth. Endurance sports as metaphor for life. We cover a lot of ground in this conversation, including: * Chris’ training & racing philosophy * aerobic vs. anaerobic training * the benefits of calculated progression * pros & cons of external monitors/trackers * race plan execution * prioritizing core strength * strategies for optimizing recovery * the facts on fad dieting and fitness nutrition * striking the proper balance between performance & general health * overcoming adversity through mental & physical fitness, and * the imperative of fitness for life I have an inkling this episode will leave you wanting to hear more about Chris' story and philosophy. If so, check out RRP #21 — our first podcast exchange back in the early days of the program. Then check out his website AIMPCoaching and let him know what you think on Twitter at @AIMPCoach. Still have questions for Chris? Shoot him an e-mail at [email protected] (Chris – you might regret sharing your e-mail here!) I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange. Peace + Plants, Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:05Chris Hauth?

  You need to be connected with your body and listen to it. It will tell you so much if you slow down and really embrace and stay present in your training and are there to listen to what your body's telling you. It gives you all the answers you need from a nutrition standpoint, from a training standpoint. That's a skill, you know? You learn to listen to your body.

• 1:29Rich Roll?

  That's Chris Howth, and this is the Rich Roll Podcast. The Rich Roll Podcast. Hey, everybody. Welcome or welcome back to the show. My name is Rich Roll. I am your host, and of course, this is the podcast where I go deep and heady. And long form, some of the most intriguing thought leaders and positive paradigm breaking change makers all across the globe. An incredible collection of people who really have devoted their lives to making the world a better place. I appreciate you guys tuning in today.

• 2:11Rich Roll?

  If you would like to support the show, there are many, many ways to do that. But perhaps the single most powerful way you can help is to just subscribe. So if you haven't done so already, please, please make a point of clicking that subscribe button on iTunes or on whatever app you use to consume podcast content. And thank you so much for doing that. This week, it's all about healthy living and endurance multi-sport training and racing and lifestyle with my coach, Chris Hauth. Chris is the current age group Ironman World Champion. He's a former Olympic swimmer and a top endurance coach. In 2006, Chris won the Ironman Corta Lane and went on to be the first American amateur and fourth overall

• 2:56Rich Roll?

  American at the Ironman World Championships in Kona. When Chris is not racing and training himself, he guides all manner of athletes, including Ironman and Western States top finishers, Ultraman winners, and plenty of swimmers towards age group nationals and Olympic trials. But before I go deeper into what's in store with this conversation, let's take care of a little business.

• 3:26Rich Roll?

  Okay, Chris Hauth. So by way of background, I started working with Chris in 2008 and have been working with him ever since. He trained me through three Ultraman World Championship competitions as well as Epic Five. And I can honestly say that I could have never achieved the things that I've been able to do as an athlete without his guidance and without his wisdom, which have been absolutely instrumental in my success. So I just wanted to formally Thank Chris before we get into the conversation for everything that he has done for me. And it's an absolute pleasure for me to be able to give him a microphone to share his

• 4:08Rich Roll?

  message and his wisdom with you guys. So this is a conversation, of course, about endurance training, but it's also about so much more. We cover Chris's training and his racing philosophy in general, and how it's evolved over the years. And then we get granular. We start to geek out on aerobic versus anaerobic training, the pros and cons of external monitors and trackers, all the devices that we use, the importance of core strength, how to best execute your race plan, optimizing recoveries through sleep and nutrition, and striking that proper balance between performance and general health, before we kind of culminate

• 4:50Rich Roll?

  discussing how to best overcome adversity through mental and physical fitness. Chris and I sat down quite a while ago in the early days of the podcast for episode 21. So if you enjoy this, I strongly suggest you rewind back to that episode for a lot more from Chris. It's well worth your time. In the meantime, you can learn more about Chris at AIMPcoaching.com and give him a shout on Twitter at AIMPcoach. And without further ado, please enjoy my conversation with Chris Hauth.

• 5:30Rich Roll?

  Chris Hauth in the house, man. It's been a long time. It has been. It's been what, five years, four years? Something like that. Well, we did that first podcast. That was super early days. Like, I don't remember what number episode that was. Three or something. But I do remember we were in a hotel room and we were each sitting on the edge of a bed with a little table in between us, which is exactly what we're doing right now. Yeah. So we're reprising that aspect of it. We've grown. Lot of, lot of miles on the road since then. And it's really great to see you, man. It's been way too long. Thanks for having me back. Yeah, we've got a lot of, a lot of history between us. And I guess I should say, you know, at the outset, before we even get into it,

• 6:09Rich Roll?

  I just wanted to, uh, once again, thank you because, uh, all of this stuff that I have the great privilege of being able to do these days, uh, is in such a large part, uh, the result of the time and energy that you invested in me. And I can't thank you enough for that, man. It never would have happened without all of your advice and counsel and accountability and wisdom that went into, you know, helping me during that period of time. It was really amazing. And you're, you know, at the vortex of it. So I appreciate that very much.

• 6:47Chris Hauth?

  Well, you're very welcome. And also, I mean, you've had a big impact on me because over the last few years and all the athletes that have come to me due to your book have taught me a lot about coaching, about lifestyle, about nutrition, about plant-based, about things that I never thought I would get into.

• 7:09Rich Roll?

  Uh oh.

• 7:10Chris Hauth?

  And, um, it's been, it's been a growth process for me too. Um, I do fully see myself as a better person now than I was five, six, seven years ago when we first started working together. I learned from you too. So I thank you.

• 7:25Rich Roll?

  Well, that's, that's great to hear, man. Very, very cool. I would say that, uh, from my book, Finding Ultra, the quote that gets sort of shared on social media and that I hear the most, like almost daily, is something you said to me, uh, that I put in the book that, that I still think about almost every day, which is, I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember exactly what you said, but it was something like, "The prize never goes to the fastest guy. It goes to the guy who slows down the least." And I think I said in my book, you know, this is true in endurance sports, but also true in life.

• 8:02Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 8:02Rich Roll?

  And the hilarious thing is that, that I see that quote and then it's attributed to me. And every time I'm like, no, I didn't say that. Chris said that.

• 8:13Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, yeah. Ultra endurance sports, it's a different animal and so many people see it differently or have a different idea of it. And so being able to look at it from a different spectrum, when you're thinking about endurance sports is the first step to being successful in endurance sports. It's there's no speed involved. The training is different. The mindset is different. So, so much happens that you would want to look at it through a different prism and that's, that quote helps with that.

• 8:46Rich Roll?

  Right. A different prism from what? Like what would be the default prism that most people perceive it through?

• 8:51Chris Hauth?

  Go hard or go home.

• 8:53Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 8:53Chris Hauth?

  Right? I, I only race as fast as I train, you know? If I don't train hard, I won't race fast or and all that pushing too hard will not help you in ultra endurance sports. And you, you, you, A, you fizzle out physically, fizzle out mentally, and it's a longer event than going hard.

• 9:15Rich Roll?

  Right. How has, I want to, maybe we can sort of, since it's been so long since we did our first podcast, maybe you can lay out your, your basic kind of training philosophy and then we can kind of pick apart how that's evolved since the last time we got together.

• 9:32Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. Well, you know, a lot of the fundamentals still stay the same with regards to an aerobic platform, with regards to building a foundation from what we can work from, whether it's an ultra run, an Ironman triathlon, some crazy swimming event. I mean, it's, it's grown across the board. I have athletes doing all kinds of things all over the world.

• 9:54Rich Roll?

  Yeah. When you started, it was just run a marathon or do an Ironman, basically. Those were the two bucket list items that everybody would seek you out for guidance on.

• 10:04Chris Hauth?

  And now it's gone from solo sailing around the world to

• 10:08Rich Roll?

  Really? You coached somebody who's doing that?

• 10:10Chris Hauth?

  Um, last year I did.

• 10:11Rich Roll?

  Wow.

• 10:11Chris Hauth?

  To helping guys through BUDs, SEAL training.

• 10:16Rich Roll?

  Oh, wow.

• 10:16Chris Hauth?

  To the Traditional Ironman, Ultraman, you know, 100 mile run things. But yeah, endurance sports has a common thread through there and a lot of it is based on the fundamentals of aerobic training and getting your body ready to be able to work with the rigors that are coming towards it.

• 10:40Rich Roll?

  Explain, explain what aerobic training is, you know, and the difference between that and what would be considered anaerobic training.

• 10:48Chris Hauth?

  So aerobic training is more the lower heart rate, easier on the body training where you're almost annoyed when you're finishing the workout that it didn't really feel like a workout. It is at a low heart rate compared to your thresholds. And it's usually at the paces that you'd be surprised how slow they are if you were to do them standing alone. But when you're doing them in an ultra endurance event, whether it's an Ironman and your marathon pace or 100 mile run, which is you win them doing 12, 13, 14, 15 minute miles. So you're training your body completely different than for an anaerobic event,

• 11:28Chris Hauth?

  which is higher intensity, higher heart rates, more glycogen and blood sugars being used in order to power the muscles. This is more fat based. So it's a different energy system, the aerobic energy system versus the anaerobic energy system.

• 11:44Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I just had Charlie Engel on the podcast and one of the things that he always says when he gives talks in front of people, he gets up and he says, who here can run a mile and like, I don't know what it is. I think he says like 10 minutes or something like that. And so almost everybody raises their hand. He's like, well, if you could do that 135 times in a row.

• 12:06Rich Roll?

  Not only would you win bad water, you would destroy the course record. You know, because people have, the uninitiated have this idea that, you know, guys that are running these 100 mile races are just killing it the whole time. And if you were actually to witness what's going on, it's like a death march shuffle.

• 12:23Chris Hauth?

  It is as well as you also have to get your mind ready for that, right? Things moving so slowly towards the finish line. So that's the whole second aspect of an ultra endurance training is getting the mind ready for what it's about to go through.

• 12:40Rich Roll?

  And that, that happens with slow progression in volume, right? I mean, I remember, you know, training for Ultraman, people will say to me, How can you like go out and ride your bike for nine hours without feeling insane? And they don't understand that, you know, that you build up to that. Like before that, it was an eight hour and then it was a six hour, it was a five hour. And there's this weird elastic equation with time where it compresses. And suddenly that nine hour ride feels like a two hour ride. In the same way, if you're driving cross country and you kind of lose time and you wake up and you're like, where have I been the last two hours? Like, I don't even remember a single road sign that I saw.

• 13:17Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of cyclists, especially, you know, in the off season, they start doing less miles. And they're like, how did I ever ride six, seven hours a day? Now two hours feels awful. So, yeah, you, you, time does get compressed, but the progression is also more about keeping your body healthy and injury free. And that's sort of the biggest aspect of where my coaching and my training philosophy has evolved. And that is the primary singular focus on keeping athletes injury free and healthy. And that's a wide spectrum. But in order to train successfully, to build that load, to be able to do it day after day after day,

• 14:02Chris Hauth?

  we need to start with a healthy and injury free body. So if we can start with that first point, we are set up for success in endurance training. Because then we can create the load day after day, week after week. And within that spectrum too, is that the athlete learns so much more about their body if they can stack the training day after day. They're starting to observe things, how their body reacts to the training, how they're recovering, how they're sleeping, all those things that help them become a more educated athlete. And then from that, it's a cycle of success because they understand themselves better. They can stay healthy and injury free longer and they can stack more training.

• 14:46Rich Roll?

  That was definitely my experience working with you. I never got injured in the years that we were working together, which is insane when I think back on it, because now when I go out and just do whatever I feel like doing without you being involved, the amount of training that I'm doing right now is ridiculously limited by comparison. And yet, I'm constantly having little issues and stuff like that. You know, so you said, well, then the athlete starts to learn about themselves. And yeah, I have that self-knowledge. And yet, I still don't have the like, the meter or the self-discipline required to put enough thought into what I'm doing so that I avoid all of that. You know what I mean?

• 15:29Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, and you stay connected to your body when you're doing it day after day. You stay really in tune with it and you hear what it's saying to you. And whether that comes from how you're recovering and how you're sleeping to all the little niggles and pains that you might have in big volume training, you know how to interpret it. And you know how to sort of adjust for it the next day with a better night's sleep, or how you're going to move a different workout that doesn't pound the legs and instead, you know, go for a long swim and so on. So it's that communication with your body and that communication with your coach, that all three of them, we all work together. And in order for you to progress. And that's, at the end

• 16:14Chris Hauth?

  of the day, that's the goal. Being a better athlete today than I was yesterday, being a better athlete tomorrow than I am today. And how do I progress? Well, healthy and injury free is the key driver. And then just your ability to listen to your body to know what's going on.

• 16:31Rich Roll?

  And being a better athlete tomorrow versus today doesn't necessarily, and generally does not mean running faster today than I did yesterday. You know what I mean? So I think that the discipline, what I think a lot of people don't quite understand, they understand the idea that you need discipline to get up and do something when you don't want to do it. But but less understanding about the Discipline to not do or to hold back or to have the restraint to not go that extra mile or go over your, you know, your limit when you're feeling good because you feel like you, oh, I feel good, like I should go harder, I should go further.

• 17:11Chris Hauth?

  I should go further. Yeah. Listening to your body as well as, yeah, progression isn't, and being an athlete isn't necessarily training harder, faster, stronger. It's sleep, it's nutrition, how you take care of your body. What am I doing today to make me better tomorrow? Might mean taking today off. Might mean spending time with the family today in order to then wake up tomorrow and have a little bit extra time to have an effective workout. Knowing today what I want to do tomorrow makes you a better athlete. And there's so many ways to define progression, but all of them are part of that circle of knowledge that you create so that you can continue to progress.

• 17:54Chris Hauth?

  It's not just training, it's not just nutrition, it's not just sleep. It all combines into, I know more today so that I can be a better athlete tomorrow.

• 18:03Rich Roll?

  Right. And I think that's a big part of where you've grown and evolved as a coach. And I want to get into that, but before we do that, I want to camp out a little bit longer on this idea of aerobic training versus anaerobic training. And, and, you know, I want people to really kind of understand a little bit more in depth about what that's all about. Essentially, as my understanding goes, and correct me if I'm wrong, aerobic training is all about creating body efficiency. It's learning how to utilize fat as fuel through training and building greater mitochondrial density so that

• 18:43Rich Roll?

  as volume and intensity increases, the tax and toll on, on your physiology remains basically consistent, right?

• 18:52Chris Hauth?

  And delivery of oxygen to the working muscles is also part of it. Just becoming more economical in how your body works at those intensities, at those lower intensities, and what kind of fuel, like you said, it's using. Cartilage, ligament, all those pieces that tie into doing the motion more efficiently, more economically, using less energy, so that you can go longer.

• 19:19Rich Roll?

  And part of that is understanding that your lungs and your heart will develop more rapidly than the ligaments and the tendons in your legs. So when you're, let's say, somebody's training for their first marathon and they, they ramp up to a certain level of fitness and they feel good, their heart rate feels good, their lungs feel good, and they feel like they can go, go, go, but they haven't put in enough time, distance, volume in their legs, so that those muscles and those joints and all the connective tissue is prepared for that next step.

• 20:00Chris Hauth?

  For those rigors.

• 20:01Rich Roll?

  You're always like, holding people back and, and putting a lot of thought into what that progression looks like, which is basically, you know, two steps forward, one step back, take a break, let's pause, recover, and then let's build again on top of that.

• 20:15Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 20:16Rich Roll?

  These are multi-year, you know, programs. These don't happen in a couple of months or, you know, six months. And I think it's a, you know, a breadth of wisdom and fresh air in, in an environment where it's all about like, the hack, like, what's the shortest distance to this goal? Like, how can I train for my 100 mile run on three hours of a week of running or something like that? You know what I mean?

• 20:42Chris Hauth?

  And some of it, out of fairness, is necessity too, right?

• 20:44Rich Roll?

  If you're a time crunched.

• 20:46Chris Hauth?

  If you're a time crunched athlete, but there, my correction, my corrective coaching with them is, maybe we need to adjust your goals, maybe we need to adjust your event. Don't just hit enter on a 100 mile run and realize four weeks in that you're not really going to be able to train effectively for it. Setting yourself up for disappointment, possible injury, other stresses because you taxed your family, your career and all that, tried to fit it in, right? I mean, there's so much in this space. Can go wrong. Exactly. That can go wrong. And so that's what I call the coaching aspect of all this.

• 21:24Chris Hauth?

  I mean, I can give anybody training, but coaching ties into so much more on helping the athlete be successful to the event or the goal they signed up for. And some of those events, as we know from you, and I get monthly requests for some pretty crazy events.

• 21:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 21:44Chris Hauth?

  But then the athlete that is willing to work through it with me and talk through it and we set up a plan and sort of keep them on some sort of even footing to not get injured and progress forward. They learn more about themselves in those first few months on maybe this wasn't the best idea, the way I had envisioned it, but I feel fitter and healthier and I'm progressing somewhat towards that goal. That is the the joy and the beauty to see when people embrace the lifestyle of an ultra endurance sports.

• 22:18Rich Roll?

  Right, because you have to, I'm sure people reach out to you all the time and they've got some insane goal. And it's about having the ability to to have the perceptive ability to realize like, well, is this, did they just wake up one day and they're excited and then tomorrow they're going to change their mind? Or or are they really genuinely enthusiastic about making a change in their life? In which case you want to harness that and support that, right? And, you know, as in the case of of working with me, all I remember is you, like, you never said, this is a terrible idea or like you really should aim lower, like you are supportive, but you did exactly that. You're like, let's begin and we'll see how it goes with the, you know, and I'm sure you're thinking, well, he'll,

• 23:01Rich Roll?

  you know, he'll soon find out like where he's at with this and then we can make that adjustment.

• 23:06Chris Hauth?

  I never want to mess with somebody's goals or dreams. Because in most cases, they put some thought into what they're not just throwing a dart at the map and saying, that spot in the world is where I want to do, you know, an eight hundred mile run.

• 23:21Rich Roll?

  Sometimes that happens.

• 23:25Chris Hauth?

  But um, so it's more about the learning what they observe and they sort of get it after the first few months of saying, you know what, I see what you're saying now, Chris. Maybe that endeavor wasn't realistic for now.

• 23:39Rich Roll?

  Right, they come to it on their own.

• 23:40Chris Hauth?

  Exactly, and that's the best way because A, they're getting fitter and learning about themselves anyway while they're coming to it on their own. And then we can still work through some other goals and milestones along the way to maybe an incredible goal or event or something down the road anyway. But that's the growth of the athlete and that's the fun, quite honestly, of coaching.

• 24:03Rich Roll?

  Right. Uh, when I first started working with you, it was the first time that uh, I had heard anything about what it means to train with a heart rate monitor and you were like, I can't work with you until you get a heart rate monitor. Like that's just, that's the way it has to be. And I was like, okay, and we do, we did all this lactate testing and figured out what my zones were and all of that. Uh, and that was really an amazing way to kind of structure and understand, uh, you know, how I was progressing or not progressing. Um, and then when I wrote about that kind of aspect of how we worked together in the book, my heart rate, like my zone two heart rate for running generally fell around like 140. I don't know what it is right now, but like at that time.

• 24:48Rich Roll?

  And the other thing that happens now all the time is people message me and they're like, I'm running at my 140 heart rate. And I'm like, no, no, no, that was my zone two, not your zone two. You need to figure out what your aerobic zone is. I have no idea whether you're running too hard or too slow based on an arbitrary number that, that, you know, was really specific to me.

• 25:09Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, and it's funny you say that because I've actually gotten away from coaching with too many, a thing with too many inputs these days. Not that deliberate training, intervals and pace and all that isn't very necessary for specific events, but I also want a lot more field training so that you, exactly like I was saying earlier, can connect with your body. You can feel what's going on. And so some athletes, it's beneficial to have heart rate zones mainly to cap their effort of going too hard, but other athletes are just that dialed and interested in knowing what's going on and like to measure progress at all times.

• 25:51Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think that's an individual thing, but I think that, that. It's sort of like you have to know the rules in order to break them. And you know, by training with heart rate and power meters on the bike for so long, I can basically tell you without them now where I'm at because I've spent so much time doing it. It's the same thing. You go to the pool, like if I'm doing 100 repeats, I can tell you within a second what my, you know, what my average time is on each one of these hundreds. Cause I've swum billions of laps like you have, right? So you just know.

• 26:20Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 26:20Rich Roll?

  You know, but in, but without having that experience, you're kind of operating in the dark. Right? So you can go on feel, once you kind of have that body, mind, you know, connection that you can only get through experience.

• 26:33Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And the master's athlete is new to all of this.

• 26:35Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 26:35Chris Hauth?

  In many cases, they weren't athletes in high school or didn't have any type of formal organized training. Um, and so working with them to start understanding their body and what's truly happening is part of the process. And some embrace it, others fight me tooth and nail, right? They're just like, no, I want to keep it fun and keep it light. They don't want that data to put pressure on them, which is absolutely fine. Again, it's how they want to progress as athletes themselves. Um, and if they're listening to their body and I can again, navigate them to stay injury free and healthy, then we're probably doing okay.

• 27:14Rich Roll?

  Right. But then there's the other guy who wants all the gadgets, right? And won't, won't, won't actually leave the house until he or she has the ultimate, you know, GPS watch and the, you know, whatever tracker device. I mean, there's more of that stuff now than ever before, which is great. It's getting people interested in health. And if you're a data geek, you can like go down the rabbit hole and that kind of stuff. But I think it can also distance you from why it is you're doing it in the first place.

• 27:41Chris Hauth?

  And that as well as if you're letting, if you're overlooking the feel aspect of your training, come race day, when something goes wrong, when you're dealing with adversity.

• 27:52Rich Roll?

  Totally fall apart.

• 27:53Chris Hauth?

  And you don't have your watch or those paces are just way off or your heart rate is way off, or you can't hold a certain power number. Not being able to close your eyes and reconnect with sensations and feelings that you had in many feel training sessions.

• 28:09Chris Hauth?

  It will, it will mess with your race and it's usually in a negative way.

• 28:13Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 28:13Chris Hauth?

  Your day is oftentimes so negatively impacted because your mind just stepped away from the event that you're going to be disappointed with your result.

• 28:22Rich Roll?

  Uh huh. Do you let your athletes use Strava?

• 28:28Chris Hauth?

  You set me up for that one.

• 28:31Chris Hauth?

  They use Strava. I have never looked at it. It's, it's something that they can use, but, and I have many athletes that say to me, well, just look at my Strava file. I go, no, upload it to Training Peaks, upload it to another site and then I'll take a look at it there. But Strava is for yourself, right?

• 28:52Rich Roll?

  And your friends.

• 28:53Chris Hauth?

  And your friends. Um, it's, it's not a

• 28:56Rich Roll?

  Ego.

• 28:56Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. Coaches, uh, maybe they've embraced it more and maybe I'm a little bit behind the times on it, but coaches are not the biggest fans of Strava.

• 29:06Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Just for people that are listening, it, it's simply because it starts to work at cross purposes with the intention of whatever your workout is. Like I had to get off it because it was just inevitable that anytime I hit a climb on a, on a, on my bike, I couldn't help but think about like, well, here's a segment on Strava and, and people are going to see this and like, what are they going to think if my, if, you know, I know Chris wants me to do a chill, you know, big gear zone two or whatever, but none of my friends know that. Like they're going to be like, why are we such a slouch, you know? And then, and you're like, that's insane, you know? Basically you're, you're doing the exact opposite of what you've been told to do because there's an internet site where people are going to be looking at your stuff. And I get the, the, the fun aspect of it.

• 29:50Rich Roll?

  And I think anything that gets people out of the house and active is a good thing.

• 29:54Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 29:55Rich Roll?

  But it just depends on what you're trying to achieve.

• 29:58Chris Hauth?

  Yes, yes. And, you know, and there's a big social pressure to the training for an ultra endurance event. Like what are you doing? Why are you training so slow? Or what, where were you all day? You know, I was out on my bike for eight hours. So you don't need or want, or try to avoid the extra inputs that you get from people who say, what? What is your coach having you do? Oh, come on. Just come ride with us or do this.

• 30:23Rich Roll?

  Right. Bunch ride on Saturday morning.

• 30:25Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. Yeah. And, and there's a time and place for that. And if properly put in the training plan, it can be a very effective, fun workout. But yeah, eventually the Strava aspect will

• 30:39Chris Hauth?

  Lead to, once again, not your best training, your deliberate training and your outcomes that you're looking for. And then you sort of just had that workout that, yeah, you did the workout, but there was no progression from it. There was no outcome that we were looking for. And yeah, it was, you did the motions, but you didn't train.

• 31:00Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 31:01Chris Hauth?

  You worked out.

• 31:01Rich Roll?

  It's, yeah, it's the difference between exercising or working out and actually training.

• 31:05Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:06Rich Roll?

  So, so let's talk about how your approach with your athletes and with yourself has evolved over the years. I mean, when we work together, heart rate, power meter, tons of zone to, you know, high volume, which was great for me. Like I, even when I was swimming, I always, I always operated best in a high volume kind of protocol. And anytime I would be with a coach where it was like, all right, forget all that. That's all junk. You know, let's just do some super high focused, intense, you know, shorter, race paced stuff. I never ultimately responded as well to that. And that's just me. I know some people.

• 31:48Chris Hauth?

  And you touch on a, on a key point there. And that is, again, that's you knowing your body and working with a coach that can facilitate that. So especially in ultra endurance events, there's people who respond very well to just tons of volume, but it's low intensity. Others, they don't respond well to the big volume. They need the high intensity, shorter aspects of training, threshold work. You know, half the hours needed or half the hours of a, of a volume person, but they respond great and they do great at ultra endurance events despite the higher intensity, shorter workouts.

• 32:27Rich Roll?

  So how do you figure out, like if somebody's listening to this and they're new to this, they don't know which person they are and they're interested in getting involved in this world? Like, how do you make that determination?

• 32:37Chris Hauth?

  Well, we can see it a lot on whether it's injuries and how they're responding to the workout, what they're observing, how they're progressing, whether that's via testing or just seeing on the general workouts inputs that they're giving us. So, you know, just not feeling good, I seem to be getting sick, or I mean, I'm sore, it's just not working. There's a lot of commentary that you can read through when people aren't responding to the workouts. There should be phases where they're feeling great, where they're absorbing the workouts, where they're progressing, they can see and feel it. And when they're not, over longer periods of time, something's off. And, you know, we'll go through the usual checks of sleep and recovery and nutrition and so on,

• 33:22Chris Hauth?

  but if that's still not working, we start noticing that.

• 33:37Rich Roll?

  Right, so you're, you have kind of a, uh, an open mind about different philosophies. You're not like, I'm a mafetone person, it's gotta be this way and this is the way that I coach, or whatever, like you're malleable.

• 33:51Chris Hauth?

  Um, that, that might be an exaggeration, that might be exaggeration of people who know me. It's just, for me, the big thing is, again, healthy and injury free. And in order to do that, we need to build that pyramid from the bottom. And so I have a lot of athletes that come to me, they send me their former plans and what they used to do, and they let me see their logs and so on. I don't even look.

• 34:13Rich Roll?

  I know, I was like, wow, like I can't, yeah.

• 34:15Chris Hauth?

  I say, we're starting, we're starting from scratch. I need to know you did this first. And most of the time, that's aerobic training. For an ultra endurance event, remember, if they're getting ready for a marathon for runners, which technically, three hours is not really an ultra endurance event, as crazy as that sounds, or faster, and, or a half ironman or Olympic distance, it's obviously a different training focus after some aerobic training. But in most cases, the athletes I'm working with are doing something. Longer and there I need to know that they first have the fitness, the aerobic capacity

• 34:53Chris Hauth?

  to do the volume well, respond to it, absorb it, come out of it healthy and ready to take on the next phase of training, which is then more specific to their event, whether that's a hilly ultra run, whether that's an Ironman that they want to race fast, whether that's, you know, an Ultraman, whether it, there's so many different events that we then take a look, okay, you have the base fitness. We know you can do the distance, the event, especially with you. We did, I think 80% of the distance over a weekend, right?

• 35:26Rich Roll?

  Right, we did. Yeah, for Ultraman, you had this thing that we would do each time where we would, there were like three or four weekends in the like, I don't know, six or eight weeks before Ultraman, where we would approximate the race, like the race distance, 70%, 80%, 90%.

• 35:41Chris Hauth?

  And on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, so it simulated.

• 35:44Rich Roll?

  Doing exactly like it. So then you know you can do it. Like the confidence that you get from that alone was huge.

• 35:50Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And so then, once we know you can do the distance, and many people do this in Ironman, where they'll do an early season one, they'll do pretty good, nothing spectacular. But then we can say, okay, you came out of it healthy, fit, you know you can do the distance. Now, for our next one, for the fall or late summer, how are we going to do it faster? You know, and so that's when the specificity comes in.

• 36:15Rich Roll?

  So what has changed? What's evolved? Because all, everything you're saying is that's the same.

• 36:20Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, well, I mean, but the.

• 36:22Rich Roll?

  I mean, I feel you, you got into coaching really from a performance perspective, like training elite athletes and pros and like high achieving amateurs, right? And, and, and my sense is that that's evolved. And, and now you're, you're dealing with a lot of people that are in it for the lifestyle as opposed to like hardcore type A Silicon Valley gunners.

• 36:45Chris Hauth?

  A lot less of those and a lot more lifestyle athletes, for sure. And the joy there, of course, is having them embrace the healthier endurance lifestyle with regards to what they Doing before, which was either not training or not as familiar or connected to their body, their nutrition and how they're looking for longevity in the sport. But back to your question of what's changed, not much in regards to the approach, but more the actual health and injury free approach, the progressing month to month. And the balancing feel with deliberate training before was a lot more structured. And this is what we're in, these intervals are what you need to do.

• 37:28Chris Hauth?

  So now it's a lot more feel, it's become a lot more balanced with about forty percent of the time feel training.

• 37:35Rich Roll?

  And what was the impetus for that change or that evolution?

• 37:39Chris Hauth?

  Trusting the athlete that they know their body and that they're able to give me the insight. It is, it is, but again, if we've progressed to a point that we can do that type of training,

• 37:52Chris Hauth?

  that's the athlete then taking also a lot more responsibility on themselves. That we're part of a team, we're communicating and things are happening that they're excited and familiar with too. And then therefore they can progress from that. So that's, that's the fun aspect of it too, that the athlete becomes more educated and the joy that they're receiving from understanding their fitness.

• 38:17Rich Roll?

  And the more that they can take personal ownership of it as opposed to just waiting for you to tell them what to do, ultimately is going to, you know, I think empower them to want to continue and.

• 38:29Chris Hauth?

  Yes, yes.

• 38:30Rich Roll?

  And stay in it. Yeah, their, their kind of emotional investment in it.

• 38:33Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And then lastly, I would say the mental game has become a bigger and bigger focus in this ultra endurance world, coaching, mental skills, coaching adversity that happens on these. I mean, they're ten, twelve, twenty four, thirty hour days, events. And so a lot can go, yeah, it's all mental. Whether it's a hundred mile run, anything beyond forty five miles, it's, it's just in your head.

• 39:01Rich Roll?

  So how do you, what do you do specifically to train people for that?

• 39:04Chris Hauth?

  So a lot of that has to be on feel. Um. We do wanna overcome adversity in training, the days when things aren't going well. You know, the double flats or the stomach hurts or, you know, you're not feeling it. Those are exactly the days that need to be embraced. Those are our opportunities because on race day, my stomach hurts. I got a double flat. My legs are sore. You know, you're tapered, you're rested, but you're 10 miles into the bike and you're going, why are my legs achy and sore? You know, all these sensations that we won't want to be familiar with. And working mentally, especially on what you also experienced with regards to testing it on those weekends. That absolute certainty that you will do the event.

• 39:49Chris Hauth?

  Once you've gotten that subconscious space of absolute certainty, because it seeps in real deep. Knowing then that, okay, this is a moment of adversity, but I am still going to finish this race well. I have the fitness, I have the ability. So dealing it and processing it present and in the moment. And that's an opportunity you get in most training sessions. Taking advantage of my fatigue right now and saying, you know what, I'm the 10th interval in. How often do I get 10 intervals in? And get to train this tired, this exhausted and wanting to quit. Now is when the game starts.

• 40:31Rich Roll?

  Right. Everything else is just prefatory to that. You know what I mean? I think I remember you saying at times, if you're doing one of those super long runs or rides, uh, like, let's say you're doing an eight hour ride, like, seven hours of it is just so that you can experience that last hour.

• 40:49Chris Hauth?

  And we do that a lot.

• 40:50Rich Roll?

  There's no way around that. You can't shortcut that.

• 40:51Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, you can't. In ultra marathons and so on, it's, you know, get the body tired first, then the training begins. You know, and it's, it's, it sounds sick. But, you know, you're 40 miles into a training run and then those last 10 miles are where you sort of learn the most about your training.

• 41:12Rich Roll?

  And do you do any work or coaching around like specific mindfulness techniques or meditation or other kind of mental practices that can?

• 41:20Chris Hauth?

  It depends on the athlete and what they need. But one thing I've been focusing on with a lot of athletes lately is. Knowing, well, let's say that differently. They know that they have the fitness to do the event. They know that they've progressed to do the event and achieve the goal times and the results that they want to. But for some reason, there's a gap between what their body can do and the validation they've gotten in training and how they're executing their race plan come game day. And so it's the exercise and understanding and working through, if I were to take your head off your body for a true visual and put, you know, Crowe's,

• 42:05Chris Hauth?

  Jan Frodeno's, um, some phenomenal Scott Jurek onto your body, what's the delta between what Crowe could do with your body? Not that you're going to do an Ironman winning time, but what could he do with the fitness that you've built and your body versus what you're doing with it? And that gap between those two, that's where we then identify, well, what is missing? What are we not executing on race day? How are we, how is that avatar moving ahead of you on during the race with Crowe's head on your body versus your head on your own body? And where is that different? So being able to squeeze out the performance

• 42:46Chris Hauth?

  and executing a race plan that we've come up with is the key. And so many athletes sabotage themselves on race day, realizing, oh, one or two little mistakes and boom, off on a tangent they go.

• 43:01Rich Roll?

  Right. Cause when you're dealing with gigantic distances and, and so many hours, a little mental tweak is the difference can make, could be the difference in hours.

• 43:12Chris Hauth?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:12Rich Roll?

  An ultimate, in your ultimate performance.

• 43:14Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. So fitness allows you to stay present through that and that absolute certainty I talked about, but then also being 100% confident in your race plan and your race strategy for the day and knowing you've trained and practiced some of the things that can go wrong, knowing what's in your control and not in your control, having talked through that, having visualized that, that is very important. Visualization exercises and just getting that mental resilience going for race day is something that we do train now a lot more. And I work with a lot of athletes on.

• 43:51Rich Roll?

  And so what is your tip, what does your athlete base look like right now? Are you doing, is it mostly like Ironman people? Like you said, you have people doing all kinds of different things. You're cushioning like about what like 40 people at a time?

• 44:03Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, about 40 people.

• 44:04Rich Roll?

  You kind of cap it at that?

• 44:05Chris Hauth?

  Um, it depends. You know, there's, there's events that people are, are all geared towards. And so then they'll drop off three or four of them. And then, you know, sometimes I'll be down to 35 athletes.

• 44:16Rich Roll?

  Average attrition rate of people?

• 44:19Chris Hauth?

  But the crazy thing is, I mean, and, and I'd say, see this as a compliment to that the coaching is working is I have so many athletes that have been with me for years and years. And they take a couple of years off and then I'll get an email saying, hey, I'm thinking about getting ready for this. And, you know, and that's part of the joy of the coaching too, is that no plan is ever the same, even for the athlete. It progresses every year. You don't do the same thing year after year. I know, I know it's six weeks out. I'm going to be doing this. No, that's not how I coach. And so a lot of athletes also truly enjoy that curiosity of where are we going with this? How far are we going with this? What's he gonna have me do next?

• 45:02Chris Hauth?

  So, and yeah, that's, uh, that's part of the fun too, in, in progressing the athlete.

• 45:08Rich Roll?

  And what about, uh, like, like recovery? What do you, what's your perspective on, on sort of maximizing, uh, the body's ability to repair itself when you're not training?

• 45:20Chris Hauth?

  Regenerate, yeah. Sleep, sleep and more sleep. I just did a podcast for my athletes. I do a small podcast for my athletes. And the theme was-

• 45:29Rich Roll?

  You know, you're gonna get, now everyone's gonna be like, where do I listen to it? You gotta put it on, he doesn't put it on iTunes.

• 45:34Chris Hauth?

  I know. Well, it originally started for my athletes, just a way to communicate with them. And I've already had a bunch of people bug me how to get access to it.

• 45:43Rich Roll?

  Now you're gonna have to put it on iTunes.

• 45:45Chris Hauth?

  I just-

• 45:45Rich Roll?

  Do you have a name for it?

• 45:46Chris Hauth?

  I call it the Weekly Word Pod Blast. Yeah. Yeah. And so one of the, the topic I just finished was recovery. Timing your nutrition after your workouts properly, that 30 to 40 minute window, as well as that three to four- Hour post window sleep and more sleep. You know, a lot of my athletes that know me well know I sleep a lot. Eight to nine hours a night in my big training. You know, I go to bed with my kids, eight and 10, wake up after my kids. So, but it, you know, it keeps me healthy, keeps me injury free, keeps me progressing and, and I'm a big believer in sleep.

• 46:25Chris Hauth?

  Good nutrition, a good diet of, you know, unprocessed, healthy foods. Vegetables, fruit, you know, all kinds of.

• 46:37Rich Roll?

  Right, you're laughing. Okay, man.

• 46:40Chris Hauth?

  I know. No, no, no, no, and, and the funny thing is that's part of my evolution over the years too. We've talked about it is my understanding and my embracing and my actually applying the plant-based aspect is, has grown dramatically too. Not that it was like roll your eyes before, but my brain, knowing what I know about my body and how it's worked all those years, you know, to change something, to put unleaded into a diesel engine, you know, it's a slow progress.

• 47:09Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 47:10Chris Hauth?

  And you have to be very careful with it.

• 47:13Rich Roll?

  What is your perspective on, on, you know, sort of diets of the month? Like there's, there's always a new, you know, tweak on like, here's the ultimate way to lose weight and to fuel for performance. And it seems right now, there's a lot of interest and discussion about low carb slash, you know, ketotic diets for athletes. Like, have you worked with athletes that are doing this? Do you have any experience with this? Like, what's your perspective?

• 47:43Chris Hauth?

  Little experience with it. I would say my athletes, they do check in with me with regards to these diets. And I say these diets because once again, what works for people, certain people will not work for everybody. So there's that general umbrella, right? Of saying, okay, just because it works for this 20% of the population, doesn't mean it works for 100% of the population. And it feels great and looks great for them, but might not work and look great and feel great to others. Now throw into that, under that umbrella. Endurance athletics. So the demands on the body are so different, so much higher,

• 48:25Chris Hauth?

  that you're you're taking that 20% and making it five or 10%, right? And again, very careful. You don't want to risk something that you've been working on, working towards for years in some cases, whether it's a multi-stage race or some swim from Cuba to Miami. I mean, athletes set these things up years in advance and to then change their diet too dramatically prior is dangerous. But, you know, the fads, a lot of times, they work great for four to six weeks, short term, and you have some amazing results from it. But to me, in the ultra endurance world, it has to work for years.

• 49:08Chris Hauth?

  It has to show performance and be successful and have you feeling connected and alive and remaining healthy and injury free over a longer period of time. And so even on the low carb, higher fat aspect, you know, there's a time for that. But everybody is an individual for how they're responding to it, what their training needs are, where they are and how old they are. You know, we both know our diets are different from our twenties to our forties. Can a body in its forties withstand a low carb, higher fat diet better than a kid in his twenties playing football? Yes. Right? It's it's we're amazing creatures

• 49:50Chris Hauth?

  and we're constantly adapting. But that doesn't mean it's, in my opinion, that it's the long term, full perspective that it needs to stay that way.

• 49:59Rich Roll?

  Right, right. Yeah, no, I get what you're coming, where you're coming from. I think,

• 50:04Rich Roll?

  you know, one of the things, a key central core aspect of endurance training is trying to, like you said earlier, like create these efficiencies, right? How do you become super duper efficient, not only at movement, but at metabolizing fat for fuel in your aerobic zone? When you're in your aerobic zone, fat is your fuel, right?

• 50:25Chris Hauth?

  Yes.

• 50:25Rich Roll?

  So I'm always thinking about like, well, How much of that fat burning efficiency is a result of the specific type of training that I'm doing versus the foods that I'm eating? And in my experience, it seems to be more about the kind of training that I'm doing.

• 50:42Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 50:42Rich Roll?

  Because the like, you know, sort of the demands of your metabolism will dictate what type of fuel you're going to burn more than what is in your stomach. I mean, I'm not a physiologist, I'm not a doctor.

• 50:53Chris Hauth?

  Neither am I.

• 50:54Rich Roll?

  Based on N of one of myself. But part of the idea behind the low carb diet is that by sort of starving your body of carbohydrates, that you're then kind of compelling the body to.

• 51:09Chris Hauth?

  Burn more fat.

• 51:09Rich Roll?

  Burn more fat.

• 51:11Chris Hauth?

  And remember, it's a primary fuel source in aerobic and ultra endurance, but it's not the only, right? We need those carbs either way.

• 51:18Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So I mean, kind of like beneath all of this, you know, it's sort of like, I can't imagine not eating carbohydrates and being an athlete.

• 51:24Chris Hauth?

  Well, and just think.

• 51:25Rich Roll?

  If somebody's successful doing that, more power to you. But I just, it's never been.

• 51:30Chris Hauth?

  But think about not eating fruits and vegetables.

• 51:33Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 51:34Chris Hauth?

  Because they're primarily carbs, right? Like, that's the crazy thing. Like, if you think of how many carbs are in fruits and vegetables, you're still getting your carbs. So you can be very avoidant of, you know, meats, for example, or some high carb breads and so on. But you're still eating your fruits and vegetables. So you're still getting a healthy amount of carbs, as well as sugars in there and so on. You know, we all know fruit has a fair amount of sugar in it. So again, it's how your body is responding, what you currently need, how your body is adapting to it. Nutrition, again, in my opinion,

• 52:17Chris Hauth?

  is very much like endurance coaching. You have to be working with somebody who knows what you need and how your day to day goes and the stresses and the adrenal aspects and everything that is part of this bigger puzzle nutrition. And, you know, whether that's a natural path or certified nutritionist, or, you know, somebody who is in tune with you and where you are in your stage of life and what your needs are from a training load, from a travel load, from a work life load, all those things, it all ties in.

• 52:52Rich Roll?

  What about your perspective on all the kind of fitness nutrition, you know, the gels and bars and the like neon blue drinks and all that kind of stuff that just you see everywhere at these races?

• 53:05Chris Hauth?

  It's still, my, my opinions there are still quite strong and I know they're not applicable to everybody, but normal food is still the best thing to fuel the body, especially at these ultra endurance events where you're out there for 10, 12, 24 hours. You're going at a pace that your body can still process, normal nutrition. But there's always the athlete that is not absorbing it. It sits in their gut or they just don't have the taste for it after a while. We all know that you eat 10 Cliff bars in a row in training.

• 53:42Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 53:42Chris Hauth?

  The 11th one is not going down.

• 53:45Rich Roll?

  I was doing great in my Ironman and then at like mile six in the marathon, I started throwing up.

• 53:50Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 53:51Rich Roll?

  You had 25 gels.

• 53:53Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And, and there's a huge industry component in the message, what they're sending, sending in triathlon and, and in the ultra endurance running world too of, you know, you need to do these gels and that sugar and that carb and that, you need protein. Exactly. Again, you need to be connected with your body and listen to it. It will tell you so much if you slow down and really embrace and stay present in your training and are there to listen to what your body's telling you. It, it, it gives you all the answers you need from a nutrition standpoint, from a training standpoint. But we have to, that's a skill. It's, you know, you learn to listen to your body.

• 54:37Rich Roll?

  And there's a balance between, uh, performance and overall general health, right? I mean, gels have their place. Like if you're, if you're like hitting the wall and you're in a marathon, like you take a gel, it works.

• 54:49Chris Hauth?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:49Rich Roll?

  You know, I wouldn't recommend eating them every day, but.

• 54:52Chris Hauth?

  It's like, here, have a Snickers. You get grumpy when you're at this. It's the gel, right? Like.

• 54:58Rich Roll?

  It's effective, you know, in a performance context, the question becomes like, are Are you going to eat those every day in training? Like you want, you don't want to do anything different on race day that you do in training, but how do you balance all of that processed crap in a way that isn't undermining, you know, your kind of long-term health?

• 55:16Chris Hauth?

  Well, there's race simulation days where you, where you definitely want to set it all up. But beyond that, you know, nutrition is the holy grail of ultra endurance events, right? The fittest, best athletes have been derailed by nutrition, whether it's winning Ironman Kona or, you know, winning Western States.

• 55:36Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 55:37Chris Hauth?

  If you figure out your nutrition, that's really great because it works for about two or three more events and then your needs again change. How many elite athletes have we all come across or seen or heard about that five years ago did one thing in their ultra endurance event and their body has changed and the needs have changed and their ability to absorb has changed and now they're doing something completely different.

• 56:01Rich Roll?

  And the conditions dictate a lot of that. I mean, how many athletes go out and win Ironmans all over the place and they go to Kona and just can't crack that nut?

• 56:09Chris Hauth?

  Exactly.

• 56:09Rich Roll?

  Those stories are legend. I just did the podcast with, uh, Shalane Flanagan, uh, a couple weeks ago. I don't know if you saw her Olympic trials marathon where she, it was in Los Angeles. It was super hot. She'd never run a marathon in high heat and she just had a really hard time. You know, for the first time in her career, like fell apart and couldn't figure out the nutrition and had to like go to school to figure out how she was going to be able to perform in Rio and had to change everything.

• 56:37Chris Hauth?

  Yep. And even then you're not positive.

• 56:40Rich Roll?

  Right. You don't know. You're still going into an unknown.

• 56:42Chris Hauth?

  You're still going into an unknown. And again, that's a big aspect of again, again, dealing with adversity on race day, knowing and keeping a good mind about you when that stomach does turn or when you do realize that, you know, you haven't been drinking enough. Um, you know, a little bit of a story of mine is, you know, last year, Ironman Kona. Um, I was fortunate enough to finally win my age group, um, but.

• 57:09Rich Roll?

  You're always winning your age.

• 57:10Chris Hauth?

  No, no, no. I've been second and third and fourth and I pretty much know what every place feels like. But that that elusive victory was still um hadn't happened. But I had lost nineteen pounds um in fluids. Whoa. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, in Kona and many R M S, they weigh you before you start for medical reasons. Although lately, the argument is that doesn't really tell you that much. But um and then they weighed me into the med tent and it was nineteen pounds and I felt it all day. I mean, it was I was I was behind. I knew I couldn't catch up. If I tried to catch up. Once you're behind, it's. I would bloat myself. I'd be throwing up. I would running with a sloshy stomach and, you know, I I.

• 57:55Chris Hauth?

  But luckily, I was able to stay present during that marathon despite it being slow. And things hurting and everything screaming at me because I knew why. I knew what was going on and I said, you know, this is the adversity. This is the point to go dark and just get to the finish line. And luckily it worked. But again, so the point there is. You know, use every opportunity to prepare yourself for what will go wrong. You know, um, as I alluded to before, I'm working with a couple of seals last summer. Um, it started with a couple of guys at swim practice getting ready for BUDs. And what's BUDs stand for?

• 58:37Chris Hauth?

  It's um, basic underwater demolition, something. But they were, um, so a little bit of background, the the when you're going into seals or you're into BUDs especially. Um, there's often alumni seals that um are no longer seals and they'll sort of work with new kids going in. Um, this guy had been working in in D C in the State Department and doing some stuff. And so now he was sort of older going into it. And so we were working together and there again, a lot of their quotes and a lot of their learnings is fascinating. You know, I've been actually reading up a lot about how they go about their training. But there again, despite all their strength and despite all their special

• 59:22Chris Hauth?

  training and all their abilities, fitness and keeping a clear mind and allowing the adversity of the day to not get to you is a key driver for them. And with some of the more advanced seals that I've worked with, Wapping too, let's not make this a bigger deal. They said, you know, because of my aerobic fitness, sure, I still can do all the strength work. I can still do the Brazilian martial arts. I can still do all the power things that I needed to. But because I've increased my aerobic capacity, my fitness, when adversity strikes, I was less fatigued than others. I could make better decisions. I was more observant.

• 1:00:08Chris Hauth?

  And no seal will ever admit they're tired. It just doesn't across their vocabulary. And I can't stress that enough. I mean, it is amazing what they will put themselves through.

• 1:00:18Rich Roll?

  Right. So then how do you coach somebody who won't like tell you what they're really feeling?

• 1:00:22Chris Hauth?

  Because they'll, they'll tell me the, the positives. They'll tell me, wow, I noticed more.

• 1:00:28Rich Roll?

  I see.

• 1:00:28Chris Hauth?

  You know, I'm more present.

• 1:00:30Rich Roll?

  You gotta read between the lines a little bit.

• 1:00:31Chris Hauth?

  Exactly. And it's, it's a leadership question.

• 1:00:33Rich Roll?

  Crybaby Iron Man.

• 1:00:36Chris Hauth?

  Exactly. And so again, fitness, supreme fitness allows you to overcome adversity, whether it's in a race or in, you know, working with traders that, that just need to keep a clear mind when, when all hell's breaking loose. And again, just having the ability to stay on top of your own. Decision making, being able to observe and to continuously take in information. That's fitness. That's mental fitness and that's physical fitness.

• 1:01:09Rich Roll?

  Yeah, that's super interesting. I mean, that dovetails into mindfulness pretty well. You know, at the same time, like the idea that it's the confidence that you get, but also just the presence of mind and that that mind body connection. Like when your body is fit and it can withstand stress, then you'll be able to mentally and emotionally weather whatever's coming at you and not be reactive, but be able to kind of, you know, in this, in the case of a SEAL, like make that decision that can literally be the difference between life and death.

• 1:01:40Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, yeah. And, and especially leaders for their men and observing and being able to make those critical decisions without fatigue being a factor.

• 1:01:51Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:01:52Chris Hauth?

  Those guys have supreme confidence in their abilities anyway. But just that little tiny edge of being a bit more tired is what you don't want.

• 1:02:03Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:02:03Chris Hauth?

  And so, working with them on that different type of fitness has been awesome.

• 1:02:11Rich Roll?

  That's really cool.

• 1:02:11Chris Hauth?

  It's been fun, yeah.

• 1:02:22Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I mean, that's got to keep you energized and excited. And, you know, just by way of background, you know, you've been doing this for a very long time, right?

• 1:02:32Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Rich Roll?

  You swam at an elite level throughout high school and college. You competed in the Olympics in swimming for Germany. That was, was that 90?

• 1:02:40Chris Hauth?

  92 and 96.

• 1:02:42Rich Roll?

  Oh, so two Olympiads.

• 1:02:43Chris Hauth?

  One as an alternate, though.

• 1:02:44Rich Roll?

  Okay.

• 1:02:45Chris Hauth?

  So I watched.

• 1:02:46Rich Roll?

  You were there, alright.

• 1:02:47Chris Hauth?

  I warmed up, I warmed down, yeah.

• 1:02:50Rich Roll?

  Listen, Ben, you were there. That's pretty awesome. And then, kind of went right into triathlon and Ironman. Was a pro for many, many years.

• 1:03:00Chris Hauth?

  I wouldn't say many, many years.

• 1:03:02Rich Roll?

  How many years were you a pro? Three years? Okay.

• 1:03:04Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:05Rich Roll?

  You won Ironman Cortlande, right? Did you win any other Ironmans? You won that one?

• 1:03:08Chris Hauth?

  Couple of halves. Hawaii seventy point three.

• 1:03:12Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:03:12Chris Hauth?

  Escape from Alcatraz and things like that. But yeah, the victory line isn't that long, but in each distance. So I'm pretty happy about that.

• 1:03:21Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's cool. And then, and then moved into being an age group athlete while you were coaching. You've never really retired from being an athlete. You've been an athlete consistently your entire life.

• 1:03:32Chris Hauth?

  Yes.

• 1:03:33Rich Roll?

  So how do you maintain your enthusiasm, like your joy and your love and your interest in what you're doing without burning out?

• 1:03:43Chris Hauth?

  There's many answers to that. Of course, we're creatures of habit. It's been part of my life since I'm five years old. Whether it was swimming or endurance athletics now.

• 1:03:52Rich Roll?

  Well, you took a, you took a dark turn down a finance alley for five minutes.

• 1:03:56Chris Hauth?

  Exactly.

• 1:03:57Rich Roll?

  Before you hightailed it back to being an athlete.

• 1:03:59Chris Hauth?

  I was like, wait a moment. What am I doing here? But so creature of habit. And then the adventures and the new challenges create, keep presenting themselves. Having done a hundred miler, my second one two weeks ago.

• 1:04:18Rich Roll?

  Right, so let's talk about that. Is that your, that is your second hundred miler?

• 1:04:22Chris Hauth?

  My first one was pretty flat. It was the Rocky Raccoon a couple of years ago, and it's basically five twenty mile loops. So pretty flat.

• 1:04:30Rich Roll?

  Texas, right? Yeah, I have a friend who's done that one.

• 1:04:32Chris Hauth?

  And so I said to myself, I didn't want to do triathlon this year. I was going to take a break from Ironman after many, many years. And so I said, I want to find one of the hardest hundred milers now. After Rocky Raccoon and having finished that successfully. So I did Wasatch one hundred, uh, two and a half weeks ago.

• 1:04:52Rich Roll?

  Yeah, that's widely considered one of the most difficult ones.

• 1:04:55Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:04:56Rich Roll?

  Possibly sign up for it.

• 1:04:57Chris Hauth?

  It was pretty hard. Yeah. It was great until mile sixty seven and you know, you run in this spectacular environment up on this beautiful ridge line. You know, ten up to eleven thousand feet. I mean, it's gorgeous. And then, you know, you you're at sixty seven miles, hundred K about in. And then you're going into the night. It's nine P M. Put your lights on. You get your warm clothes ready because it's going to be twenty four, twenty five degrees up there on the ridge. Um, after being seventy five and eighty most of the day.

• 1:05:27Rich Roll?

  Hard to fall asleep on your feet when it's twenty four degrees.

• 1:05:30Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, it you know, sleep was never really, I never really felt sleep deprived or it that it really hit me. You're you're so on adrenaline and on. On your brain is on because then you're looking through that light in the middle of the night and your world is just this like. Two by two yard space in front of you and you're just thinking, don't fall, don't fall off the ridge. But um, it was more just the terrain and the difficulty of it of that race late. It was brutal.

• 1:05:58Rich Roll?

  Right. So what did you learn about yourself and what it means to do a race like that that perhaps you didn't?

• 1:06:07Rich Roll?

  Didn't didn't know that didn't know.

• 1:06:09Chris Hauth?

  Well, that was part of the new challenge for me is um, my challenge is more mental now. I want to know, I like going into that really dark space. And once there, I like foraging around like there's and unfortunately, I mean. In a good way, it didn't happen that was at one hundred. It never became. Super challenging where I had to overcome a lot. My fitness allowed me to sort of just work myself through that day pretty well. I never really hit a dark spot. Um, but that's the challenge and that's where I like to be, whether it's in training. You know, fifty, sixty train mile training runs, um, where you're just not feeling it and just. I know I went a little bit overboard.

• 1:06:52Chris Hauth?

  But yeah, but those were the days that I wanted because I just it there's just something fundamentally raw. And being in those places and just not wanting to continue and it's completely mental. And I'm learning about myself. I'm learning about my past. I'm learning about so much inside me when you're that fatigued. And everything's screaming at you physically to stop, but mentally you know to keep going. And so. There's something happening there. That's part of my latest motivation.

• 1:07:24Rich Roll?

  That's the heart of it, man. That is the, that's the beautiful, for me, the beautiful allure of those kind of crazy events because it strips you down to the rawest essence of who you are. And you have to confront yourself in a way that, you know, short of, I don't know, doing ayahuasca or something like that, you're just not going to get to. And there's, there's a purity to it.

• 1:07:48Chris Hauth?

  There is. And, and to sound a little cliche, in this day and age of so many inputs on a daily basis, whether it's technology, whether it's family, whether it's work, whether it's just, everything's always coming at us. It takes longer and longer to let go into that space. And longer into, I've noticed into training runs where it's like, you know, when am I finally just going to clear my mind? But you can't look for it. It just happens. And once there, it's not like you're going, oh, thank you. This is great. Because usually there's a little bit of a physical price for that. But it does set you up and allows you to think clearly and come

• 1:08:28Chris Hauth?

  out of those runs and those moments reinvigorated, understanding yourself, your surroundings, your loved ones completely differently.

• 1:08:39Rich Roll?

  I think there's this idea with a lot of people that whether it's Ironman or a 50 mile run, or 100 mile run, or 135 mile run, or whatever it is, or it's 50 Ironmans in 50 states in 50 days, that these things are all interchangeable. Like, once you're, you're an ultra endurance athlete, you can just tap in and out of all of these things. But there's a huge difference between doing an Ironman and running 100 mile run. There's a huge difference between a 50 mile run and 100 mile run.

• 1:09:07Chris Hauth?

  Absolutely. And, and so there's two things that you're saying there. One that I wanted to, would comment on is there is the difference of what's happening. You know, Ironman, in the meantime, has become a race. Many, many, many athletes just race it. They have the ability and the fitness and the knowledge and the coaching and the courses to really race it. And it's crazy.

• 1:09:29Rich Roll?

  It's tactical, not just you against yourself and the course, but you versus the other. Person with surges and all.

• 1:09:35Chris Hauth?

  Racing, truly racing. And you don't do that yet in a hundred mile race. I mean, even the guys winning Western States, although that's even that's gotten.

• 1:09:44Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:45Chris Hauth?

  Western States this year, it's it's crazy. Just hit the rivet and hold. And whoever holds the longest or doesn't get lost.

• 1:09:55Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Who was that guy who was way out in front and looked like he was gonna win it?

• 1:09:58Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And and he missed a ribbon and he went straight instead of a left turn into this smaller little path. And, you know, he was on course record. I forget his last name, but Jim. And, you know, again, amazing athletes are coming into the ultra endurance spectrum. But the second thing that regarding what you just said, there is a level of lifestyle fitness that I like to call it. And that is that us as masters athletes have a level of endurance fitness, not only from a health perspective, but that we can embrace challenges that come up. Like, we have a mutual friend in Santa Monica. He was bored with all the ultra races or Ironmans and, you know,

• 1:10:42Chris Hauth?

  this thing came up to run once around Kilimanjaro, right? It was five days and a variety of things. And and these incredible farms up there, but some pretty gnarly stuff. And his fitness that he had built over the years allowed him, within a matter of six weeks, to be able to do that event at altitude. You know, I think it was a hundred K a day, something like that. And do that, you know, just to be able to say, you know what, I woke up, I decided to do that race, I adjusted my training for a few weeks, nothing major, and I did it. And that's what I call that life fitness, where you can just take on the challenges that were really cool and make you feel alive and are unique and just do it.

• 1:11:27Rich Roll?

  Yeah, that's so. So in other words, with a certain number of years and level of training, you raise your floor so high that then you can chase different ceilings. You can you can like be flexible with that. Yeah, pretty cool.

• 1:11:40Chris Hauth?

  And and experience and you really use your fitness to live, right? I mean, when else do you get a chance to run around Kilimanjaro? Or another athlete of mine, he currently can't run or even bike. So he decided to do a 10 mile ocean swim. He's not a swimmer. And he's probably going to listen to this and go, no, I'm not a swimmer. I'm trying to become a swimmer. But, you know, but it was an amazing event. He was successful at it. He's he loved it. He's addicted to it now and wants to swim more. And so life fitness to just take on those incredibly invigorating experiences.

• 1:12:20Rich Roll?

  What do you do when when you yourself just can't get out of bed? Like, you've got to have those days where you're like, I'm just not up for it, man. I've been doing this since I was six years old. Like, I'm sleeping in. I know I got this race, but, you know, I just, seriously.

• 1:12:38Chris Hauth?

  Rich, it doesn't happen.

• 1:12:42Chris Hauth?

  Everybody who knows me is laughing right now.

• 1:12:45Rich Roll?

  You are a robot.

• 1:12:47Chris Hauth?

  In that respect, I have certain rules. I don't get up for morning swim practice anymore. Like, that's one thing. If it's dark and it's not sun.

• 1:12:54Rich Roll?

  I can't do that. And I can't swim in an indoor pool.

• 1:12:56Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, very rarely do I. I don't can't even remember the last time. I must have been on the road if I were swimming indoors. But I do not get up when it's dark to swim. There's just fundamentally can no longer do that. So yes.

• 1:13:08Rich Roll?

  It triggers like this crazy memory.

• 1:13:11Chris Hauth?

  And that cold and and here my athletes are probably going, really? And you make us get up every morning and swim? But I think I've put in my years. But now I I get so excited about that daily progress. I have a little quote on my wall. A lot of my athletes know this. It's just, it just says, what have you done today, today in capital letters, to to come closer to achieving your goals? Like, there's something you can do every Every day to make you a better athlete.

• 1:13:38Rich Roll?

  So that for you, the motivation is internal. You're not, you're not driven by any externalities. There's no external pressures or?

• 1:13:46Chris Hauth?

  This last year, the Kona, getting that monkey off my, off my back, it was pretty important to me. And I was, it was just, you know, like a crazed dog, just running towards that finish line. And it was a huge relief to finally have gotten that. But, no, the hundred mile run a few weeks ago, it wasn't about a place. It was about the adventure. Hundred mile runs also are really fun. On a side note, is because you have crew. So a bunch of my friends flew in. I have a bunch of buddies in Park City. And we had a fantastic, fun weekend. Sure, I ran a hundred miles on the side.

• 1:14:22Rich Roll?

  Are those endurance athlete friends or just?

• 1:14:24Chris Hauth?

  Just buddies. Yeah.

• 1:14:25Rich Roll?

  They know what they were getting involved in? I bet they had no idea.

• 1:14:29Chris Hauth?

  No, no, no, no. They, they've all done this stuff. They're all endurance athlete friends. Yeah. I'm trying to think if anybody in there, no, nobody in there was not familiar, hasn't done Ironman or something similar. So, but so that's really rewarding. And just, you know, it, it, it's part of who I am. I love, being fit, being connected and staying healthy.

• 1:14:52Rich Roll?

  Does that make you frustrated though, when you have athletes who, who do have run into those kinds of issues? Because it's just not part of your, your makeup?

• 1:15:01Chris Hauth?

  I think I've become more patient with them.

• 1:15:06Chris Hauth?

  Yes, I understand.

• 1:15:07Rich Roll?

  You are a buyer beware coach.

• 1:15:09Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:10Rich Roll?

  Like what I always say when people are like, I want to talk to Chris. Can you get me in touch with Chris? I'm like, all right, he's, he'll, he's an amazing coach, but if you're looking for a pat on the back.

• 1:15:18Chris Hauth?

  No, no.

• 1:15:19Rich Roll?

  And an atta boy, he's not your man.

• 1:15:21Chris Hauth?

  No, no, that's not me.

• 1:15:25Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And you know, a funny thing is every now and then I, I give out praise like that.

• 1:15:30Rich Roll?

  And then it's like, oh my.

• 1:15:33Chris Hauth?

  So I know I've worked on improving that. Sorry. I mean, that's one of those things. Um, yeah.

• 1:15:38Rich Roll?

  With age, you're getting soft.

• 1:15:40Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, no. Well, it's just having more examples of actually the other way around of people really, really caring and trying hard to make it all work and then, you know, failing.

• 1:15:55Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:15:55Chris Hauth?

  And so, understanding that they're, they're trying and they're not able to, whether it's work, whether it's family, whether it's injury and, and so they want so much and to not be able to achieve it is more, has more become a compassion aspect and I don't know about empathy.

• 1:16:15Rich Roll?

  Sliver of empathy in there.

• 1:16:16Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, that's a big word. That's a big word.

• 1:16:22Rich Roll?

  What are, what are the biggest common mistakes that you see in the athletes that you coach? Or, or maybe not just the athletes you coach, but when you go to these events and you observe.

• 1:16:32Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Rich Roll?

  Like you get, you're going to Kona, you know, in a couple of days, right?

• 1:16:36Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:36Rich Roll?

  Um, when you go to Kona and you see all these athletes gearing up for Ironman, you're just sort of taking it all in, the circus.

• 1:16:43Chris Hauth?

  Well, they're at the event already. So I mean, yeah.

• 1:16:46Rich Roll?

  What is, you know, what do you, what are things that like people who are listening, who maybe they've done a couple of races, maybe they've done an Ironman, I don't know. But things that you just go.

• 1:16:56Chris Hauth?

  Well, it applies actually across all spectrums of athletics and in a cliche way, across in life too. Um, you know, uh, not training with an outcome in mind is one of the biggest aspect. Um, a lot of people just work out. They go out, they're doing the motions. And while that's good in the beginning, you know, you are getting fitter if you just do the swim, the bike, the run, or just the run or so on. But eventually you get to a point where you're no longer improving and there's no deliberate training happening. You know, there's no outcome in mind and that's, that's very important, that training with intent.

• 1:17:36Chris Hauth?

  You know, another, another thing is the, the classic. Piece that we spoke about, I bet you last time, and that is not training hard enough on hard days and not training easy enough on easy days, you know, no, not enough changes in, in, uh, speed. Another thing I find with a lot of athletes these days, and let me just qualify athletes. To me, an athlete is not some elite athlete that has the results or achieved certain times or placings. Having, being an athlete is just a mindset. It's your ability to think about what you're doing, how to be successful, how you're progressing, and setting yourself up for the best next workout, um, the next day, today, whatever.

• 1:18:19Chris Hauth?

  And so even if you're a beginner or you're a world-class athlete, you're thinking the same way. What am I doing now to, to improve myself? So I think, uh, one of the things, uh, another thing that athletes overlook or make mistakes with is that they take too much time off in the off-season. So they have these goals, they have these endeavors that they want to take on this coming season, and then they take off a lot of time in the winter. And, you know, it takes them six, eight, 12 weeks just to get back to par fitness.

• 1:18:54Rich Roll?

  Right. And the older you get, the longer it takes.

• 1:18:57Chris Hauth?

  Exactly. So you get into this early summer, finally getting back to fitness you had late the previous summer, and you're expecting a different outcome of your results by doing the same cycle of training. So, understanding what am I doing in order to maintain some sort of connection to that fitness? No, you don't have to always be completely on it, but finding an activity, finding some training cycle that keeps you close to par, your best fitness, so that two, three weeks of good training puts you almost right back at it.

• 1:19:32Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:19:33Chris Hauth?

  You know?

• 1:19:33Rich Roll?

  One of the things that I always see and that I catch myself in is wanting to always train my strengths and overlook my weaknesses.

• 1:19:42Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. There's so, there's different theories on that.

• 1:19:47Chris Hauth?

  Especially being in a triathlon coach. And you would understand this as a swimmer. There is a lot of wasted time for swimmer for for triathletes practicing swimming. It's just not a good use of your time. No matter how much you swim, you're not going to be a fifty three Ironman swimmer or, you know, a twenty three half Ironman swimmer. You can spend all the time and you want in the pool. You'll maybe gain in the next six months, two, three, four minutes. Whereas if you spent that time from logistics of getting to the pool and that training time and getting home and so on, and you spent that biking and running, you're probably better off. You'll find a half an hour.

• 1:20:28Rich Roll?

  Right. It's easy for you as a swimmer and myself as a swimmer to say that. It's it's harder to hear that when you're somebody who's afraid of swimming or doesn't have that much experience and feels like they have a lot of room for improvement. But the truth of the matter is, is that in in triathlon, the swimming is so de minimis.

• 1:20:45Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:46Rich Roll?

  Right. But the other mistake that I see people uh that I see triathletes making, triathletes that don't have a robust swimming background, is they go to the pool and they're so focused on getting

• 1:20:58Chris Hauth?

  Yardage in.

• 1:20:59Rich Roll?

  Getting the yardage in, getting the volume in. And they just refuse to work on stroke.

• 1:21:04Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:05Rich Roll?

  You can look at their stroke and you're like, dude, like you took a month off and just did drills and got your stroke sorted out right.

• 1:21:11Chris Hauth?

  Catch up freestyle over and over and over again.

• 1:21:14Rich Roll?

  You would have a quantum leap in improvement, but that requires a leap of faith and some trust and they're so afraid of like not being fit, you know, that they can't allow themselves that that, you know, that type of focus.

• 1:21:26Chris Hauth?

  Looking for a certain yardage and not thinking about, you know, again, what we said, not training with a workout outcome in mind. What is it I want to gain today versus just swimming laps in the pool, continuing to reinforce bad habits? So yeah, you're totally right. The other thing I find is that athletes often sign up for events that are not realistic in their current lifestyle. And that is whether it's a hundred mile run and they realize a couple of weeks in that that training is just. It's not gonna work.

• 1:21:59Chris Hauth?

  They don't have the hours. They don't have the job. They don't have the family to support that.

• 1:22:03Rich Roll?

  That bet that they made with their buddy at the bar.

• 1:22:06Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:06Rich Roll?

  You know.

• 1:22:06Chris Hauth?

  Hitting enter too early.

• 1:22:08Rich Roll?

  Enthusiasm around that's starting to wane quickly.

• 1:22:10Chris Hauth?

  And it's frustrating. It creates a lot of anxiety. And then you either give up or you're only a shell of yourself trying to keep up with the training. So I think that's a very important aspect. Before you sign up for the event, know more about the training and what time commitment or what your own expectations might be from. Are you just finishing, which is totally fine. But know that. And so when you have anxiety about the workouts or about how you're gonna get it done, you can remind yourself, oh, wait a moment. This is just to finish. This isn't for some, you know, crazy result.

• 1:22:49Rich Roll?

  What about cross training, you know, the gym, weight room, strength training, you know, things that, that triathletes and runners don't like to think about too much?

• 1:23:01Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, it's actually gotten a lot better.

• 1:23:04Chris Hauth?

  Cross training, CrossFit even.

• 1:23:07Chris Hauth?

  All helpful. You know, again, what works for the body? How is it progressing? How is it adapting? Is it helping you? You should be seeing results within six to eight weeks of doing the proper type of strength work. I'm a big believer in

• 1:23:22Chris Hauth?

  body weight strength. Actually, I've never done any strength work in my entire life.

• 1:23:28Rich Roll?

  But you believe in it.

• 1:23:29Chris Hauth?

  But I am supportive of it, whether it's Pilates, yoga, just being connected again with your body and working on the weak spots in order to do that. I know I'm, I'm probably the worst example on all this. Because I've been, again, super fortunate. I've never been injured in my life. I've been able to work through nutrition and all this sports and never had any type of real injuries. It's just been, I've been lucky. And I've been doing this a long time, so.

• 1:23:59Rich Roll?

  But you also have never, like, you don't take the winter off and you don't give your body that period of time to atrophy and certain muscles get weaker than others. Like, you've just, you've been on, you've literally been like, you know, applying that pressure consistently.

• 1:24:12Chris Hauth?

  Yes. Yes. I have never been very far away from good fitness. Um, yeah. But I mean, I also feel like I know myself very well. I know what works. I know what I need. I know my weaknesses. I know, you know, what I need to work on. And whether, again, whether it's the sleep and the recovering, recovery, the nutrition. Um, I do, my only strength as a qualifier is I do stretch cords. I love doing stretch, stretch cords. It keeps the motion and keeps me connected. And to me, it works. Um, it's not for everybody. Um, but for me, it's, that's my strength and my core and my connection.

• 1:24:53Rich Roll?

  I think the core work, like you, you gave me that core workout handout, like when we first started working together. And when I'm, when I do, I hate doing it. I absolutely hate it. Like, you have to put a gun to my head and make me do it. But when I actually do do it and I do it consistently, you know, within like six or eight weeks of consistent practice, the difference in how I feel like in my form is super dramatic.

• 1:25:15Chris Hauth?

  It's remarkable, yeah.

• 1:25:16Rich Roll?

  The amount of power that I can generate in my swim stroke, the, the ability to maintain my form running when you start to get tired, uh, and just even generate, generating power on the bike, like you can feel, it's, it makes a big difference.

• 1:25:29Chris Hauth?

  Everything comes from the core, um, in a big way. And we're, we're fortunate as swimmers to have a pretty strong core in general, because it ties into so much of our swimming. But having maintained that and working with it, um, is, has been part of the key driver to successfully running without injury and cycling all those years without injury.

• 1:25:50Rich Roll?

  Right. So we reconnected about, I don't know, a couple of months ago. I reached out to you, or I can't remember if you reached out to me to check in, or I reached out to you and I was like, I think I gotta get back into this.

• 1:26:03Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:04Rich Roll?

  It's been a couple of years.

• 1:26:04Chris Hauth?

  What have you been doing since?

• 1:26:06Rich Roll?

  I've been sitting around doing nothing. No, I, you know, it, it.

• 1:26:10Chris Hauth?

  You're busy.

• 1:26:11Rich Roll?

  I'm very busy, but like, everybody's busy. You know what I mean?

• 1:26:16Chris Hauth?

  That's a good point.

• 1:26:16Rich Roll?

  I think, I think for me.

• 1:26:20Rich Roll?

  You know, I got into ultra endurance sports less to see how I would measure up against other people and more as an experiment in self-discovery. Like, there were certain things I needed to work out about who I was and what I wanted to do with my time, you know, on this planet Earth and all that kind of stuff. And we talked about, you know, that dark place that you get to where you're stripped away. And, and I needed that, you know, and I crave that. And, and I got that, you know, and I was able to figure out a lot as a result of that journey. And so I feel like I've answered a lot of those questions for myself. Now, that work's never done. I mean, you can always continue to evolve

• 1:27:00Rich Roll?

  and grow. But I feel like I got to a place where I had a better sense of what I wanted to do with myself. And then I began to get to work doing that. And as a result of that, my life has changed in dramatic ways. And I've been blessed to have like, these amazing opportunities where I have the coolest job in the world, because it involves sitting down with people like you and talking to them and sharing that. And a lot of the motivation that got me out of bed to put in those hours and do that difficult work that you were, you know, that you were, the program that you were giving me, has been supplanted and replaced with trying to help other people, which is great. But it's also been a convenient

• 1:27:45Rich Roll?

  excuse to be less rigorous about my own fitness protocol. So I haven't raced since 2011. And I feel it, you know, it's like, I don't, I want to feel fit like that again. And I don't have like, a race that I can like, orient my whole life around. And my life's a lot busier than it was back then. So for me, the challenge is trying to find a goal that excites me, and to prepare for that in a way that works within the construct of how my life currently functions.

• 1:28:22Chris Hauth?

  So you're like every working athlete in the world.

• 1:28:25Rich Roll?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:28:26Chris Hauth?

  They have a family, they have a full-time job, and they're looking for something that will motivate them in order to overcome the challenges of day-to-day, and, you know, reach a, reach a spot within them that...

• 1:28:44Chris Hauth?

  Has meaning.

• 1:28:44Rich Roll?

  Yeah. So that's the search right now.

• 1:28:47Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:48Rich Roll?

  We took a stab at it and then I went to Italy and it all fell apart. And I've been putting the pieces back together so that for me lately, I get up and I kind of do whatever I feel like doing. I'm traveling a lot, so that generally involves running. But I don't like running every day, like even when we were training for Ultraman, I never ran two days in a row. We do those double run days on Tuesdays, but it was maybe three or four runs a week. And by spacing out the runs, I actually progressed more quickly. And now when I'm traveling and I'm just running all the time, I just feel tired and I, and I, and I feel like it's stalling my ability to progress. And I'm trying, I'm doing this in a vacuum and I'm just doing it haphazardly.

• 1:29:29Rich Roll?

  And, and then I start to feel, oh, my knee doesn't feel good or this is not working for me.

• 1:29:34Chris Hauth?

  On the one hand, you're activating certain things, which feels really good because you get in a workout. But on the other hand, you're activating certain things that, you know, need attention and haven't been built properly or been taken care of properly. The, uh, uh, danger there is trying to reconnect with what it felt like in 2010 and 2011.

• 1:29:57Rich Roll?

  It's that, it's that idea of training where you're at as opposed to training where you think you should be or once were.

• 1:30:04Chris Hauth?

  Once were, exactly. And, and we all have these visions of, especially when we hit enter on a race. Um, of this is how I'm going to train and this is how I'm going to focus on it. And this is how much time I'll have and it never happens like that. And it, it usually, when, when digging deeper, I find that the athlete is thinking back to before they had a family and it was just them, right? It's like, wait a moment, you have a lot more responsibilities now.

• 1:30:28Rich Roll?

  Yeah, but if I lived like Ted Kaczynski in a hut in the woods.

• 1:30:32Chris Hauth?

  I'm going to win that thing.

• 1:30:35Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:30:36Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. So, um, yeah, we need to, we need to find you something. I, we've talked a little bit also about, you know, who you are and the message that you've created. And, and I think it's important to realize that you have gone and grown beyond that. And. You're so much more than just a plant-based endurance athlete now. I think you're more of an advocate. You're bringing people into the podcast that are expanding the horizons of so many people listening to it, learning, making them curious. And at least giving them tidbits of information to make them a better person. Fitness, health, a variety of aspects, food industry.

• 1:31:21Chris Hauth?

  So it's not about addressing any of those aspects of who you once were. But I also think that a lot of people really, really look up to you for having been able to successfully do what you did back then. Because that was the preface of all this, right? The book and overcoming and being able to describe that. And just think of your knowledge today of all the things and people you've spoken to over the years and how you've grown to then disseminate a completely different you having gone through that ultra endurance experience. I think a lot of people would be curious about that second book right there.

• 1:32:03Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I know. Well, the thing is, this is what I grapple with, right? Like, I don't have the bandwidth to go back and train for Ultraman the way that I did in 2009, right? Because if I do that, well, I could, it's a choice, right? But then there's no podcast. There's no, like, all these other things have to go away because there's only 24 hours in the day, right? So what's the best? For me, it's always, it's an equation of what's the best way to serve the most people in the most effective way, right?

• 1:32:35Rich Roll?

  You know, it has been the podcast and writing books and traveling to give talks and all of that. At some point, you know, I turn 30 in a couple, or 30, I turned 30, yeah, I wish, right? I turn 50 in a couple of weeks. And there's something about being 50, like, maybe a great way to carry this message is to do another event as a 50-year-old, you know? And to see what that looks like and to be transparent about that journey. But, but to do it in a way where... I'm not going into it. I'm not like throwing everything out so that I can focus on

• 1:33:12Chris Hauth?

  Oh, no.

• 1:33:12Rich Roll?

  performance goal. It has to function fluidly so that the other aspects of my life are in balance and don't suffer so that I can write books and do the podcast.

• 1:33:21Chris Hauth?

  Well, you wouldn't be successful as you are today without those two, you know, your life, your family being part of that.

• 1:33:29Rich Roll?

  And that's not, and like you said, that's not different than anyone else.

• 1:33:32Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And your understanding of it is completely different. But I also think what you just said, serving many, I think also serving yourself could be of benefit to many.

• 1:33:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 1:33:44Chris Hauth?

  Because you, what you observe, what you'll learn, how you reapply yourself. And from a diet aspect, from your knowledge aspect to just going through the observations again, at this stage of your life would be incredibly valuable to many people. And so you're serving yourself would serve many.

• 1:34:04Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's that, that kind of zen idea that, you know, the, the way to be the best servant is to make sure you're taking care of yourself first. And it's that ironic thing like, oh, I'm in wellness, but like, I'm spending all my time helping other people get well and not paying attention to my own wellness. Not that I, you know.

• 1:34:21Chris Hauth?

  No, you're not unhealthy.

• 1:34:22Rich Roll?

  I don't want to overstate that, but, but, uh, but I, I have this, the competitive, you know, performance oriented type A dude inside of me is like, well, I don't want to, I'm not going to sign, I'm not going to go do Ultraman unless I can toe the line and know that I've put everything in my power into getting the best performance out of me.

• 1:34:43Chris Hauth?

  But you've been there. You've been there and you've done that.

• 1:34:45Rich Roll?

  It's not a reality. So, so for me, it's about growing past that. And that's, I think that's the hurdle that I gotta jump over. Cause I've never been the guy who just wants to show up and run a bunch of 10 Ks and, and marathons and be, you know, kind of like a middle packer guy, high fiving everybody. Like it's, it's never been part of who I am, but maybe it should be, you know, there's, there's not, there's no judgment on that at all. It just has never been how I've approached it in the past. And I think I've been waiting to get struck by lightning with some race or challenge that's going to give me that like juice, that level of excitement that Ultraman and Epic Five gave me. But maybe I need to reexamine and rethink that relationship as well, because it doesn't

• 1:35:30Rich Roll?

  have to be an obsession.

• 1:35:33Chris Hauth?

  Nor does it have to be

• 1:35:34Rich Roll?

  It shouldn't be, actually.

• 1:35:35Chris Hauth?

  Too crazy epic.

• 1:35:37Rich Roll?

  Yeah, well, that's the thing.

• 1:35:38Chris Hauth?

  Otherwise, you're waiting forever.

• 1:35:39Rich Roll?

  You know, everybody's upping the ante. It's like, it's impossible. There's always going to be somebody who's going to do something crazier and harder and longer and all of that. And if you want to play in that sandbox, then you really do have to marginalize everything else in your life to accomplish that. And that's just not something I'm going to do.

• 1:35:57Chris Hauth?

  But I think we can be creative in finding something that, even if, like you did in the past, create your own event, where it's not a question of a performance result, it's a completion and a message result and the process. Remember, like you've always said, and many of us always say, it's the journey of getting ready for that event.

• 1:36:21Rich Roll?

  Of course.

• 1:36:21Chris Hauth?

  Right? And so.

• 1:36:22Rich Roll?

  And I think, I think for me, it's also important that, that the event, I like the idea of coming up with your own kind of self-styled adventure, because that provides the opportunity to bring the message into it, to make the message, the DNA of the event and the message be indistinguishable from one and the other. Because I feel like, I don't want them to be this dualistic thing, where it's like, oh, I'm either training for this race, or I'm like, doing the podcast way over here. If there's a way to have them be the same thing, like, how can I carry this message that I'm putting out and make that part of whatever this adventure is? Like, whether it's a, you know, it's a documentary, or you're running from point A to point B, and you're stopping at schools, or going to farms, and meeting with people, or whatever.

• 1:37:07Rich Roll?

  So it's an integrated

• 1:37:09Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 1:37:09Rich Roll?

  experience that goes beyond athleticism.

• 1:37:13Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, endurance can be defined in a variety of ways, right? Like, it doesn't have to be a sports-related endurance.

• 1:37:21Chris Hauth?

  So.

• 1:37:22Rich Roll?

  Life is the ultimate ultra-endurance event.

• 1:37:24Chris Hauth?

  There we go. There it is. There it is.

• 1:37:27Rich Roll?

  So, and, and I have to take ownership of it. I can't wait for you to call me and say, I've got the thing for you. And I know you're waiting for me to call you. And so we've been at this impasse. So this podcast is a way of trying to break through that and create some accountability, not just with you, but, you know, publicly as well. So I don't have the answers to that yet, but I'm going to hold myself accountable to figure that out.

• 1:37:52Chris Hauth?

  That'd be great.

• 1:37:53Rich Roll?

  Be great.

• 1:37:53Chris Hauth?

  Be great.

• 1:37:54Rich Roll?

  It would be really great to work with you again. And I think, you know, one of the, you know, beyond the, just the expertise and the wisdom and the knowledge and the, the program and all of that, like having that accountability is so huge. Like just filling out those workout logs, knowing that you're going to look at it.

• 1:38:10Chris Hauth?

  Well, the exchange of ideas too.

• 1:38:12Rich Roll?

  You don't care. It's like, but like knowing he's going to see it. So yeah, that, that thing like keeps me on track in a way that I've proven to myself time and time again. Uh, I haven't been able to do on my own. And I think that's a very human thing.

• 1:38:27Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. And, and the relationship between coach, athlete, athlete, coach, friends where, you know, you take on this endeavor and this growth and this progress together and getting to know yourself better and better again as an athlete and just that invigorating, connected feeling of, wow, there it is. That's, that's part of who I am. Hasn't been around for a couple of years, but now.

• 1:38:54Rich Roll?

  There's that guy.

• 1:38:55Chris Hauth?

  There's that guy.

• 1:38:56Rich Roll?

  I recognize that guy.

• 1:38:59Chris Hauth?

  Yep.

• 1:38:59Rich Roll?

  Let's see.

• 1:39:02Rich Roll?

  Yes. I don't know. I'm open to ideas.

• 1:39:04Chris Hauth?

  Yeah. Well, I've, I've, I've talked about swimming for you just because it's something that you know how to do at a very high level. So maybe there's something there with regards to swimming and, and endurance event. Um, not in the pool.

• 1:39:19Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Like you scared me for a minute because as, as you know, like being a swimmer, the idea of just swimming.

• 1:39:26Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, it's hard.

• 1:39:27Rich Roll?

  I don't, I don't know if I'm down for that.

• 1:39:30Chris Hauth?

  No, we'll build fitness in a variety of ways. Yeah.

• 1:39:33Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Rich Roll?

  We'll figure it out. I don't know what it's going to be, but, um, but the truth remains, which is the prize goes to the guy that slows down the least.

• 1:39:44Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:44Rich Roll?

  And I'm just trying not to.

• 1:39:45Chris Hauth?

  Even in swimming.

• 1:39:46Rich Roll?

  You know, that's true. Right? Cool, man. So we did it.

• 1:39:49Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:50Rich Roll?

  How do you feel?

• 1:39:51Chris Hauth?

  Good. Good. Another episode.

• 1:39:53Rich Roll?

  Did we talk about everything?

• 1:39:54Chris Hauth?

  Well, you know, I could always talk about a few more things.

• 1:39:57Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Well, you're going to Kona in a couple of days, right? Um, any big Kona predictions?

• 1:40:03Chris Hauth?

  No, I stay out of that world. Um, I don't pay enough attention to the front of the pack.

• 1:40:08Rich Roll?

  I don't know anything about it anymore.

• 1:40:09Chris Hauth?

  I mean, I know there's some phenomenal athletes up there and a variety of them could win it, but there's some heavy favorites. So it'll be fun to watch it. I mean, how many times have I been there to watch? Not a lot.

• 1:40:19Rich Roll?

  You're going just to watch.

• 1:40:20Chris Hauth?

  Just to watch. I don't even have an athlete racing.

• 1:40:23Rich Roll?

  That's crazy.

• 1:40:24Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, it's crazy after so many years, but you know, years where I had 22, 23 athletes, that was a little busy, including myself racing. But this year, no, going to support a few friends, going to meet a few people in the industry and then take in the race and come home.

• 1:40:41Rich Roll?

  And what's, what's the next, uh, challenge for you?

• 1:40:45Chris Hauth?

  Um, yeah, that's, uh, that's still open. We're trying to determine if, uh, I'm going to put in for the Western States Lottery, but there's a very small chance of getting in. It's like 4.7%. So.

• 1:40:57Rich Roll?

  How did you, how did you place out at Wasatch?

• 1:41:00Chris Hauth?

  Um, 23rd or 24th.

• 1:41:03Rich Roll?

  And you don't think you'll get in at Western States? How does it work?

• 1:41:06Chris Hauth?

  Um, no, it's not a question of your time or your ability. It's truly a lottery. Yeah, it's a pretty highly desirable event. And sure, there's some races where you, if you get top three, you're automatically qualified or stuff like that, but I'm not at that level.

• 1:41:20Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:41:20Chris Hauth?

  And, um, do I think I could do well at Western States? Yes, I think actually.

• 1:41:25Rich Roll?

  It's your kind of terrain.

• 1:41:26Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Rich Roll?

  It's about to Tahoe.

• 1:41:28Chris Hauth?

  And after knowing Wasatch and sort of learning a lot more about myself versus a flat race and how I can probably do it better. I mean, all this, you just learn, you learn, you learn, you start thinking, you start going, hmm. Um, but yeah, yeah. So a respectable finish? Yeah. But that would be a, a lottery win if I get in this year. Otherwise, I'll probably do a couple of ultras, 50 milers. Um, and then there's some adventures still out there.

• 1:41:56Rich Roll?

  Bad water, not interested.

• 1:41:58Chris Hauth?

  No.

• 1:41:58Rich Roll?

  Too much pavement?

• 1:41:59Chris Hauth?

  Uh, too much pavement, it's pretty gnarly. It's, it's, that's a, that's a whole different animal that I won't even attempt to think I'm part of.

• 1:42:08Rich Roll?

  I crewed for that race one year.

• 1:42:10Chris Hauth?

  I know, I remember.

• 1:42:11Rich Roll?

  I saw a lot of suffering.

• 1:42:13Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, there's an Ultraman, um, bug in me.

• 1:42:17Rich Roll?

  I think that's your race.

• 1:42:18Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, I, I have.

• 1:42:19Rich Roll?

  You would dominate.

• 1:42:21Chris Hauth?

  Few people have.

• 1:42:22Rich Roll?

  I can't believe that you haven't done it yet.

• 1:42:24Chris Hauth?

  Commented on that, yeah.

• 1:42:25Rich Roll?

  It's wide open right now.

• 1:42:27Chris Hauth?

  It is, I, I sort of like running, um, the cycling, I'm not that intimidated by and I know how to swim, so. But, you know, it's, I want to do it with my kids. I want to have them crew, I want to have them older and really be part of it. Um, not that I'll get any better by then, as, as we're getting older, but. You know, I think I can hold on to some good fitness for a few more years.

• 1:42:51Rich Roll?

  I think you would walk away with that race.

• 1:42:53Chris Hauth?

  Uh, I, I know a few people have tried that, um, whether it's the Hillary Biscays and so on, but. Yeah, it's, it's a curiosity and, you know, of course, the training for it and getting deep into that would be fun, too. But, yeah, so that's a bug, um, but, yeah, nothing, nothing to schedule.

• 1:43:17Rich Roll?

  So, uh, let's end this with one last question, which is, uh, if you, if you had some words of wisdom to the guy or the woman out there who's listening, who's maybe having trouble getting off the couch, but is interested in perhaps dipping their toe into this world, maybe they've never run before, maybe they're getting ready for their first big intimidating race, like what are the, you know, what are some doable, practical tips that you could give somebody to get started?

• 1:43:48Chris Hauth?

  The first thing is always, always a little something every day. Get a little something started every day, whether that's 20 minutes, whether that's 30 minutes, whether that's an hour and progress, just gradual progression. A lot of us are too focused on perfection. There's a training plan, I missed two or three workouts, therefore I'm failing. That is not how it works. You did seven out of 10? Great, next week, let's do seven out of 10 again, maybe even eight. Progress, not perfection.

• 1:44:20Rich Roll?

  You're always the guy who says, you know, if you miss that workout, it's gone, it's vanished into the air. You don't go and then try to make it up and do two workouts the next day. Like, that's, that's a big mistake.

• 1:44:31Chris Hauth?

  Just keep moving forward, always moving forward. How am I progressing as a person, as an athlete? Tomorrow, better than today. And so getting up off that couch, it's just about doing a little something better fitness-wise today than I did yesterday. Whether it's I walked to work, I walked to the subway, I rode my bike, or anything to just make you a little tiny bit fitter, healthier than yesterday.

• 1:45:01Rich Roll?

  It's good talking to you, Chris.

• 1:45:02Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, good to catch up.

• 1:45:04Rich Roll?

  Yeah, you look like you want to keep talking. You got anything you want to say?

• 1:45:07Chris Hauth?

  I live for, I live for this stuff.

• 1:45:09Rich Roll?

  We'll do it again soon.

• 1:45:10Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, I can just, I can talk about this stuff all day.

• 1:45:12Rich Roll?

  Oh, me too.

• 1:45:13Chris Hauth?

  And we're both passionate about it. That's what makes this stuff easy. It's impacting people on a daily basis, even just one person, to have a better understanding of health, nutrition, fitness, and just getting them into a better place.

• 1:45:31Rich Roll?

  It's the key, man. It's the key to unlocking so much more than just, oh, I need to lose a few pounds. Like, if you really want to, you know, tap into a deeper understanding of who you are and what makes you tick, like, this is the way that I did it, you know, with your guidance. And I want everybody to have their version of that experience. It's a great way to live, man. It's a great lifestyle.

• 1:45:55Chris Hauth?

  And it's fun. It's fun. I mean, that's the thing. Remember the why you're doing it. Why is because there's joy in it, there's fun in it. It makes you feel alive. And yes, there's hurdles to overcome. It's hard in the beginning to get that fitness, to feel that alive. But there's an incredible reward at the end of that. And that is health, longevity, and just feeling connected with this wonderful, wonderful tool we've been given called our bodies.

• 1:46:22Rich Roll?

  The reward isn't at the end. The reward is as you go, right? And it's that idea of enjoying the process. You know, it's so cliche and silly to say it, but you know, it is the journey. It's not about your time when you cross the finish line, or what place you get, or any of that stuff. It is the process and learning to love that and not look at it like it's burdensome, or, or something to be dreaded, but rather to be embraced and enjoyed like you said.

• 1:46:53Chris Hauth?

  It's discovery. It's discovery. Learning who you are as an athlete, as a person, as a human being, because you have this body and just living in it, with it, in harmony, and living with it longer. That's the key, right?

• 1:47:12Rich Roll?

  Absolutely, man. So, so let's, let's figure this out. Find a, find a kind of challenge and make it happen, Matt.

• 1:47:20Chris Hauth?

  Yeah, that'd be great.

• 1:47:21Rich Roll?

  All right, dude. I appreciate it.

• 1:47:23Chris Hauth?

  Thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 1:47:24Rich Roll?

  Yeah, absolutely. If people are digging on you, the best way to track you down and find you, you're at A I M P Coach on Twitter, but your tweeting is, is infrequent.

• 1:47:38Chris Hauth?

  Yes, infrequent, yeah.

• 1:47:39Rich Roll?

  I would say. And how else should people get in touch with you? The website?

• 1:47:45Chris Hauth?

  The website, Aimpcoaching.com, A I M P Coaching.com. Yeah, or I'm always Chris at Aimp Coaching. I have a lot of people that email me at Chris at Aimp Coaching.com, just with questions. Just, hey, I don't really have this coaching thing. I'm not looking to be an athlete, but I was wondering what you think of this? And absolutely fire away. I never hesitate or mind working with people to just get them moving forward.

• 1:48:13Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:13Rich Roll?

  Excellent.

• 1:48:16Rich Roll?

  Wow, I just had a final thought that I was gonna say, and I just completely

• 1:48:20Chris Hauth?

  advantage.

• 1:48:20Rich Roll?

  spaced on it. I don't know what happened, but, uh, cool, man. Well, thanks so much. I appreciate your time.

• 1:48:26Chris Hauth?

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:48:27Rich Roll?

  Let's do it again soon, dude.

• 1:48:28Chris Hauth?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:28Rich Roll?

  All right.

• 1:48:29Chris Hauth?

  All right.

• 1:48:29Rich Roll?

  Peace. Bye.

• 1:48:34Rich Roll?

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• 1:49:17Rich Roll?

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• 1:50:01Rich Roll?

  As always, Sean Patterson for his wizardry, wizardry on graphics. Thank you, Chris Swan, for additional production assistance and for help compiling the show notes and theme music by Analemma.

• 1:50:14Rich Roll?

  Be well, exude love, walk with integrity, embrace your fellow man, and I'll see you back here soon. Peace. Planets.