The Ultimate Hack Is Mastery

We’re back with another long-awaited installment of Ask Me Anything — a twist on my normal format where we answer questions submitted by you, the listener. However, today is a twist on the twist. Instead of listener submitted questions we focused on one core inquiry — how to reach escape velocity on your life to step into your most actualized self. At the outset, Julie and I spend some time recapping Plantpower Italia– our first retreat in Italy — as well as our experience spending time in Ireland with David & Stephen Flynn of The Happy Pear. Then the discussion turns to address the process required to live fully expressed. For me, this journey boils down to one precept: Mastery is the ultimate growth hack. Enjoy the show! Peace + Plants, Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Rich Roll?

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• 0:44Rich Roll?

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• 1:19Rich Roll?

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Rich Roll Podcast. I'm Rich Roll. I'm your host. This is a bonus episode. We're back with another Ask Me Anything with my lovely wife, Julie Pyatt, aka Shrimati. How you doing?

• 1:32Speaker 01

  I'm doing great. How are you doing, sweetie?

• 1:34Rich Roll?

  Good. It's been a long time since we've done one of these.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  It feels like it's been a very long time. How many, like, two months or more?

• 1:40Rich Roll?

  Longer than that, way longer than that. So, we're well overdue.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Have you missed me?

• 1:44Rich Roll?

  I've missed you. Again, the trope in all of this is that the only way that Julie and I can get into a place where we can have an intimate conversation is to do a podcast. That's what we're doing today.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  That's right. Highly recommended.

• 1:58Rich Roll?

  Yeah, for marital therapy, for relationship therapy.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Healthy relationships, start a podcast.

• 2:04Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it'll either bring you together.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  You'll go deep.

• 2:06Rich Roll?

  Or it'll blow you apart.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:15Rich Roll?

  So, so many things to talk about today and let's just get right into it. I mean, the primary sort of thing that I want to unpack initially is just our trip, right? We just got back from this incredible experience in Italy, traveling through Europe. I want to recap that a little bit and use that as a foundational platform to talk about a number of subjects. So, we just hosted our first retreat.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:43Rich Roll?

  Congratulations.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Congratulations to you as well.

• 2:45Rich Roll?

  Yeah, we took 33 campers, retreat attendees.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Willing campers.

• 2:51Rich Roll?

  Willing campers who came from all over the world. We converged on this beautiful villa nestled into the hills of the Chianti region, about halfway between Florence and Siena, for a week of transformation. What does that mean? It was pretty intense, right?

• 3:09Speaker 01

  It was completely deep, actually. I mean, we were, we had asked everybody to write in kind of their story and tell us a little bit about why they had chose to come on the retreat. And so, we were reading some of the kind of bios and letters on the plane on the way over and, you know, I had prepared sort of, you know, my part of the retreat and had an idea of how it was going to go. And before we arrived, you know, I really just realized that I had to let it all go and just see what they wanted. So, I was prepared to just speak about vegetables, but they came completely raw and bare and vulnerable and really ready to go deep. And I would say, we went deeper than any of us ever imagined we would go.

• 3:50Rich Roll?

  We went super deep. And again, people came from all over the world. We had a couple that came from Australia, a bunch of people from London, some people from California.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  South Africa.

• 4:00Rich Roll?

  Yeah, South Africa, Spain.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Ireland.

• 4:02Rich Roll?

  Ireland, yeah, all kinds of people.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Canada.

• 4:05Rich Roll?

  That's right.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, did you say Canada?

• 4:07Rich Roll?

  No, I didn't say Canada. And like Julie said, we requested that everybody kind of write a letter. What are your expectations for the trip? What do you want to get out of it? Tell us a little bit about yourself. And I thought they would just say, well, this is my job and, you know, it would be very surface level stuff, but people ended up writing these incredibly...

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Thoughtful and...

• 4:27Rich Roll?

  Yeah, thoughtful, private, revealing, very vulnerable letters about what drew them to not just us, but the opportunity that this retreat, that this program might be able to do for them. And it was incredibly touching, right? And so when we arrived, we were like, I felt like a sense of, not pressure, but like, expectation, you know, like, all these people are here, like, how are we going to be able to be of service to these people over the course of seven days? And it was incredible, right? We were on point from like 6:30 in the morning all the way till 11:00 at night. There was not a lot of free time. We had a ton of fun. It was amazing. But incredibly productive in terms of really

• 5:11Rich Roll?

  just getting really intense and intimate with people to try to help them navigate whatever sort of scenario they were finding themselves in. And what you realize is that everybody has their stuff, right? When you meet them on the surface, hey, maybe their life looks great on the outside, but everybody has something that they're struggling with. Everybody has that thing that maybe they don't even feel comfortable telling their friends or their partner about. And I think that was the sweet spot where we were able to really be of service to people.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  It was amazing. And it was also like, the fact that they were so courageous and so willing, and they came so open and raw and vulnerable, allowed this amazing magical healing and connection to happen. And it was beautiful. And yeah, every single person has their thing. They have their journey. They have their story. And, you know, we're all on this planet, you know, together. And it was just, it was an incredible experience. Far surpassed my wildest imaginations. And we did have one person, actually, who was completely happy, from Germany. I need to like, just say that. So she just came, but she was very kind of quiet, and she had a great time. And I think it was a wonderful bonding for her. But...

• 6:31Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's a way of forging community around ideas and lifestyle and principles. And when we were all done, when it was all said and done, I think we had seven people volunteer to sort of take control of continuing to cultivate the community beyond the seven days.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we were, so at the end of the seven days, it was really interesting because by day two, we all felt like we had been there seven days. That's how much kind of movement and how deep we went together. So, you know, coming to the end of the week, I was thinking about re-entry and how do we make sure that everybody has tools to go back to their life and not, you know, blow up their marriage or blow up their family or whatever. So, we spent kind of the last day on community and you and I were really wanting to create, kind of mobilize this troupe of people, this community of people that had come with us and experienced this sort of deeper level of intimacy and friendship

• 7:31Speaker 01

  to continue and continue to develop the message and offer support and a place where they could meet and they could exchange and we could all continue to interact. So, I said, you know, we need to elect, you know, a few people who's interested and, you know, immediately seven people stood up and they're rocking it. We have a private Facebook group and they're already posting and I'm going to be doing a meditation with them this week for the solstice. And, yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna turn into something really amazing. And I think in the subsequent trips that we do, the idea is to gather this kind of group of people and maybe build a mass of maybe 200 and then at that point, we can start to explore some

• 8:14Speaker 01

  other projects. I mean, right now, within the group, the main mission is to hold everybody in their highest divine expression. It's just to hold that awareness for each person. But as we build it and grow it and develop it, we can expand that out into doing some, you know, kind of projects in other countries and it's gonna be really fun.

• 8:36Rich Roll?

  It was interesting trying to conceptualize how we wanted to approach this seven days because I think what you find in this space are very segmented experiences. Like, people want to learn about plant-based cooking, so they go on a retreat and it's all about the food. Or, it's a triathlon training camp, you know, and then you're just working out the whole time. Like, I participated in those. Or it's, you know, a meditation retreat, a silent meditation retreat, or a yoga retreat. Or it's a, it's a, an experience about, you know, trying to improve the intimacy of your relationships. And so we bit off a lot because we were trying to kind of merge all of these things and, and

• 9:17Rich Roll?

  pack them into, you know, a, a comprehensive experience that would take somebody through, you know, seven days where we could look at all of those things and give them all equal balance. And I think we struck a pretty good balance. I mean, we were doing meditation, we were doing yoga, I was running with people on these beautiful trails that, that kind of connect all the hills and the little villages around the region. We were always on the hunt for the shingale, which are the, the-

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Wild boars.

• 9:47Rich Roll?

  The wild boars, the pigs that live around there. I didn't, a lot of people were seeing them and hearing them, I didn't, I didn't have that experience, maybe next time. But it was really fun, that part of it. So cooking demos, you know, intense relationship workshops, you know, career-focused seminars and discussions and, you know, all kinds of things. And I, my worry going into it was that we weren't going to give any of those particular subjects enough significance or enough time or bandwidth in order to really make any progress, but I feel like we were able to really hit a sweet spot with each of those. And I think anchoring it in, in the yoga and the meditation allowed people to kind

• 10:31Rich Roll?

  of open up and connect with everybody more intimately. Like when you do yoga every day together as a group, it kind of sheds your facade, your mask comes off, you become more open and more willing to engage in the discussions that were transpiring and taking place throughout the week in the workshop sessions.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you know, yoga and the spiritual foundation is, is everything of the entire group. And I spent two months before we left developing this specific series, which I'm going to be releasing a video soon, it's called Jai Yoga. And so it was really beautiful to see everybody step into that. And the, the practice has an original music composed by Shuman Laha, which is- He's my sitar teacher and he's a very, very, very accomplished classical musician. And he composed this whole piece specifically for the practice. And it's a very, very deep practice. It actually brings you very much into the present moment.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  And it was interesting to see it because we went in and we had, you know, yoga yogis of all different levels, you know, some people had never even practiced before. And then we had others who had more advanced skills. So it was really cool, though, to see, you know, I tried to design a practice that was strong, but that was something you could sustain over a daily period, like you could do it every day and still be all right. So, anyway, it was a huge success and it came, you know, came out great.

• 11:59Rich Roll?

  Right. And I really feel like this was a coming out party for you in many ways. You know, I, obviously, you know, the initial draw are people that have followed this, you know, my podcast or read my books and, you know, have the Plant Power Way and are familiar with your cooking, but maybe a little less familiar with, you know, some of the other skill sets that you possess. And this was an opportunity for you to really shine. Like, you were really of service to these people in a profound way that I think they didn't expect, in a beautiful way. And it was really fantastic to be able to stand by you and watch you really flourish in that environment. So much so that I felt like I had to up my game for next time. You know, I gotta get my shit together.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 12:45Rich Roll?

  So that I can bring it, you know, in a more substantive way when we go back.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  I don't know. I thought you were beautiful. I thought, first of all, thank you for that acknowledgement. I appreciate that a lot. I have to say that this experience was probably the first time in my life that I felt fully seen and fully able to be myself because I was expressing myself in all the things that I do. And underlying all of that is a deep desire and a deep compassion and love to help people and heal people and to be, you know, open and nonjudgmental, you know, in the face of whatever they're going through. And to be able to create this yoga flow practice, which has really been the foundation of everything in my life. I mean, everything that allowed me to support you through your journey came through this

• 13:33Speaker 01

  yoga, through asana, through meditation, through all of that. And I haven't really been expressing myself in that way because it was, you know, the cooking was up and that seemed to be what people were more open to. But as I started to prepare this program, it really hit me profoundly just how that is a core foundational part of who I am and without it, none of the other things would exist. So that was, you know, one piece. Then the other piece was, is I developed 60 new recipes for the menu. So it was all Plant Power Way Italia. I am so excited about these recipes and about this new book product. We're not quite sure if it's going to be an ebook or it's going to be a published book, but it was really, really, really fun creating these recipes.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Italian food is lovely and that was quite, quite a fun adventure to create all the food. And then to be able to sing and play at night. So I was singing and performing with the boys at night and Harry had completely redone the tracks in kind of a new way and Tyler and Trapper and I were able to sing together and that was really, really meaningful. And then above all to see, you know, we had an Ayurvedic practitioner, Jennifer Ayers there with us and she was extraordinary. We also had our tea master in Chinese medicine physician, Colin Huedon, there as well.

• 14:54Rich Roll?

  He's also the owner and founder of Living Tea, livingtea.net. He makes and imports some of the finest teas in the world. As a matter of fact, just yesterday, Tim Ferriss posted on Instagram a picture of his Living Tea, his like, his new favorite tea is Living Tea. And I immediately texted Colin and I was like, oh, Tim gave you a shout out. So Colin was with us on the trip. He was incredible. Him and Jennifer gave a presentation one afternoon that was mind blowing. And he did tea ceremony every morning. So you could either go running with me or you could do tea ceremony with him and people were really... Impacted by that.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were both amazing to have on the trip. And so they got to, they got to sign up for a session between either one of these physicians, either one of these health practitioners to sort of have their own private session. And what I was able to see through the week is that people were needing some deeper kind of spiritual healing that I do, which is more of an etheric kind of clearing of different energies of lifetime alignment, certain things like that.

• 16:02Rich Roll?

  She would go way down the rabbit hole.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was really meaningful. I mean, it's like, there was like, I ended up doing probably seven sessions. And even in the final meeting, a couple of people hadn't gotten what they needed and I was able to do a quick session. So to be able to be of that service and actually help somebody shift, because sometimes we have issues that are running in our lives, and it's not even from this lifetime, or it's from another energy. And we can really benefit from these alternate types of healing modalities that clear energies, you know, that aren't seen and deal with things sort of in another level. And it was amazing to me how sensitive we all are as human beings. Really, these awarenesses and these experiences are really not foreign to us because we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  And so if you just go below the surface, you know, immediately people were seeing colors, they were having visions, they were having experiences, they were having dream experiences. So it was quite readily available. I didn't have to push very hard. All I had to do was hold the space for them, which is really all it is anyway. So it was, it was a really super meaningful, a very, very meaningful and valuable use of time. This was not a luxury vacation of just, it was actually a luxury vacation. It was amazing. The place is amazing. But what I mean to say is that this is a gift of experience. It's so much more than just going to a place like a hotel and staying there and enjoying

• 17:31Speaker 01

  the place. Because we, we really, really, really did connect at a very deep level and work on a lot of issues and a lot of traumas and a lot of things that people are just navigating in their life. And unless they had come so openly, we couldn't have done what we did. So it's really the group and so significant that this group of people were the first people that came. So we have plans to do this four times a year. So we're going to be, actually, we've already announced the next trip, which is in October. It's in the same location in Italy. And we're already over half sold out, I think, for that event as well. But we're going to continue to add locations and stuff.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  But it's, this is what's happening on these trips. This isn't just, you know, go hang out and, you know, have some juices with Rich and Julie around the pool.

• 18:23Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's funny, because everybody came with their own expectation of what it was going to be. And of course, they're projecting upon us because of what they know from the podcast or the books about what we're going to be like and what the experience is going to be like. And I think, I think that's correct. A lot of people were like, well, we're going to go running, we're going to hang out, we're going to eat great food. And anything beyond that, like, you know, who knows? Or, I don't think there was huge expectations of anything beyond that. And at the end of the seven days, I really do feel like everybody left different. And I think the shift isn't a temporary Band-Aid. I think people were profoundly impacted, and I think they're going to carry that into their, into their life. And one of the funny things that you said was, when you look at kind of mainstream,

• 19:08Rich Roll?

  the mainstream culture of sort of self-help experiences, you know, whether it's Tony Robbins or any number of these people that conduct these, you know, weekend or week-long events. The typical format for these is you rent a big ballroom in a hotel. Everybody stays in the hotel. It's at like the Anaheim Hilton or something like that. And you're in a conference room. And there's a big stage, and there's a lot of lights, and there's a lot of loud music, and there's a lot of, you know, sort of artificial excitement that's, that's-

• 19:42Speaker 01

  It's like theatrics, dramatics.

• 19:44Rich Roll?

  And like, everybody, are you ready? Are you ready? Stand up, you know, and shout, you know, and do all this kind of, like, they cultivate this environment that gets you excited, right? And then you hear these speeches, and you are inspired by these things. I'm not, I'm not, you know-

• 19:59Speaker 01

  I love Tony Robbins.

• 20:00Rich Roll?

  Casting aspersions on any of this stuff. I mean, Tony Robbins is amazing, right? But a lot of that, you know, one of the themes that I'm constantly kind of thinking about and talking about is how do you, how do you translate that inspiration into action? And inspiration, in certain ways, it's, it's easy to inspire people, like you can put an Instagram post out, or you can get people up and down, and jumping up and down, and excited, but how is that going to impact them long-term? Like, how are you going to get that to stick and stay and translate, right? And so, the problem with a lot of those other events is that inspiration wanes, right? People go back into the world, and they kind of forget about it, or they don't put it into action. And you were, you were saying,

• 20:45Rich Roll?

  like, like, we were the opposite of that experience, like, we weren't doing any of that, like, it wasn't about getting up and jumping up and down and getting people excited, it was going inside, like, how can we quiet down and really get deep?

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:00Rich Roll?

  And get into that really special place that people are afraid to go, and create an environment that's safe for people to do that?

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's true. And I mean, it really was, it's kind of like, we did the exact opposite. We kind of, because the Jai Yoga practice, it's, Shuman's track is, it's very, very deep and slow. And probably, the most challenge that most people would have is how slow the practice is going, because you're never throwing your leg just, you know, up in the air, or making any quick movements. It's much like a Tai Chi, it's much like a conscious meditation. So, every time you make a move, you're aware of it, and you're connected to your breath. And it's against this beautiful track that, we, we don't even know what that track is doing, like, what that music is doing, because sound heals, like, more powerfully than any other frequency. And this is truly, truly,

• 21:54Speaker 01

  like, a divine, you know, transmission that's taking you into the inner chambers of yourself. So that in and of itself was really, really amazing. But I have a perspective on, actually, Tony Robbins, and I think, I think I do have a perspective on what happens with that rah-rah energy. And this would, again, align with what I feel about all of this go, go, go, go. Like, never stop, never stop, running, running, running, running, running. All of that kind of energy, there is a burnout point. Because I was a very, very loyal Tony Robbins disciple in my twenties. And I did four programs of his, and I firewalked. I'm a firewalker, people.

• 22:36Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  So, and I had powerful experiences with him. And, and he was amazing and, and very powerful. Like, there's some energy with him. Like, one time he hugged me and I literally felt he might just snap me in half. He's a huge man, very, very big. But what I did find with that, because I launched my fashion company actually using those kind of principles, is that what is not addressed in that is the burnout point. So, again, you're, you're, you're grabbing from this very high-energy kind of, you know, forced state of awareness, but you're not tapping into really the deep inner fire, which is constant, always. So, that was my experience with that type of program, is that there's a burnout.

• 23:22Rich Roll?

  That's the struggle with me, you know? Because I'm a big proponent of a hard work ethic. And, you know, I know how to work hard, and I've seen advances in my life by devoting myself and being committed to that sort of path. But also, understanding that, that, you know, I have, I have bumped into burnout. You know, I go in waves. It's like a sine curve that goes up and down. I work really hard, and then I burn out for a while, and then I need to regroup. And you're always reminding me, like, if you can just find a balance point, if you can generate that, that output from a place of calm and centeredness and quietude, then you're not gonna, you're gonna flatten that curve, and your production output will...

• 24:05Rich Roll?

  Be larger overall because you're not going to have the peaks and the valleys. But as somebody who's in recovery, it's like I love the peak. I don't like the valley, but I'm always going for the peak. So this is the journey for me of trying to incorporate more of that into my life. Because not everybody has the energy level of a Tony Robbins or Hustle 24/7, Gary Vaynerchuk kind of personality type. Most people don't, right? They can watch those people and be inspired by them and try to mimic them, but most people are going to burn out if they try to model their behavior on that and they don't have that kind of churning constitution that those unique individuals have.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Right, and it's sort of like, it's so interesting because Shimon was, he teaches me Sitar every week and he was playing a piece and he described it to me that Indian music is like, let's say that somebody asked you to take eight hours to walk from here like to the kitchen. Like, think about what that takes. It's a lot easier to just get up and run to the kitchen. You just get up and run and you're there. But what if somebody told you, okay, take eight hours from now and then walk over to the kitchen? How would that look?

• 25:30Speaker 01

  So, again, when you're soft and when you're quiet and when you're deep, I'm not saying you don't do a lot of action or you can't express a lot in the world, but it's the way that you do it. And I would say that on the retreat with you, I thought you were absolutely beautiful and perfect in what you added and what you offered. And there is a combination between you and me that is truly divinely inspired and divinely created. It's no accident that we're together. The combination of us provides something that allows, I think, a deeper transformation.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  And it allows more of a bridge for people to come deeper and to come and be vulnerable and be open. And I would say that I hadn't seen you in such beautiful energy for many, many years than I did during that retreat. You were really connected, really in service, really intelligent, really just amazing. Everything that you offered was beautiful during that week. So that was my experience, and I think that that was everybody else's experience as well.

• 26:43Rich Roll?

  Well, I appreciate that. And, you know, we should give a shout out to our incredible crew because we couldn't have done it without a tremendous amount of support from many people. Mel Nahas was our producer, and she just did a bang-up job, an incredible job.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Amazing woman.

• 27:00Rich Roll?

  We didn't have one problem, you know? And we also had, I mean, the group of people that showed up was incredible. Usually, there's always one person who's a problem, or there's some drama or something like that. There was none of that. The group was incredible. Mel handled everything. Everybody arrived perfectly. It was just seamless, pillar to post. And then having Colin and having Jen be able to offer their levels of expertise to the group was incredible. Having the boys there to be sort of of service and perform music, I think, was a beautiful addition to it. It added a family element that really allowed people to see kind of how our family functions. And I think that was impactful for a lot of people.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  That was a big point, actually, that a lot of people mentioned. And a lot of people were very emotional about it. And, you know, it definitely was. At the beginning, somebody said, I think David said, who lives in Florence, he said, "At the beginning, I was like, oh, you know, great, their family gets a vacation." But when he came there and saw what we were doing and how they were interacting with us, it really deeply did affect a lot of people. And they, right now, our boys are actually traveling all over Europe, meeting all these people that they met on the retreat. They're visiting different countries and staying with these new friends that they've made. But yeah, and even people said, you know, we wish you had brought the girls because the family dynamic is something. And, you know, once again, it's like, we're just authentically living our experience and sharing our experience.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  And the difference between you and me and a lot of, you know, maybe other people who are more specialized is we sort of have a very full life and we are playing in all those different areas. And so, you know, it's no surprise to me that we were able to offer support and all of that. And seven days, I mean, we, you know, I don't think, I actually don't think it would have been better if it was 10. I think we did, I think seven days was perfect. I think it was the right amount of time.

• 28:53Rich Roll?

  On the last day, we kind of had a special session where we sat around in a big circle and everybody went around and kind of shared what they got out of the experience and how it's impacted them. And there wasn't a dry eye in the house, like every single person, even the most hardened, people with the most hardened shells were having, you know, were emoting on a pretty deep level. And that spoke volumes to me about the impact of the trip. So it was incredible. Also, Lea, you know, who came and taught yoga as well in conjunction with you. I mean, just the whole thing was amazing. So, in any event, I don't want this to be like a crazy, long advertisement for our retreats, but it was a remarkable, beautiful experience.

• 29:34Rich Roll?

  And if it sounds like something that you're interested in learning more about, perhaps attending a future event, the best way to learn about it is to go to ourplantpowerway.com. There's plenty of information there. You can email Mel, our producer, through that website. She's happy to answer any questions. And the next trip is October 1 through 8 in the same location.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  I think it's 3 through 11.

• 29:56Rich Roll?

  Is it?

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:58Rich Roll?

  I keep saying 1 through 8.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  No, I think it's 3 through 11.

• 30:00Rich Roll?

  Is it 3 through 11?

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Anyway, you'll see on the site.

• 30:02Rich Roll?

  All right.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's there. And then we're looking for, we're trying to lock down an Australia location for the end of February, and then we'll be going back to Italy in May, the same week. And then next summer, we're going to be going to Ireland. So anyway, just keep in touch via the site. We hope you You can join us one of these trips. And if not, we're going to be sharing, you know, content along the way, like the yoga video will be available probably in maybe six weeks or something like that. And then we'll keep you posted on the status of the Plant Power Way Italia, whether it ends up published or it ends up as a ebook cookbook. We don't really know yet. But I also want to just mention that one thing that Colin was pointing out to me and

• 30:44Speaker 01

  that was very, you know, hit him very deeply is that there really wasn't one demographic on the trip. We had two children in their twenties bring their mothers, which was amazing, adorable experience. We had three military people who came from all over the world, which is really incredible. And we had, you know, athletes, we had yogis, we had business people, we had, you know, just really kind of one guy who had just lost a bunch of weight. So, you know, it was just a whole, a whole sort of beautiful array of different kinds of people. And there really was no one unifying, you know, quality that drew them to the retreat.

• 31:27Rich Roll?

  Right. I think one theme is that people showed up thinking it was going to be a bunch of ultra runners and ultra athletes. And there was some level of intimidation about what the runs were going to be like. And I just want to say like, that's not what this retreat is about. It's not about ultra athletes. Everybody was, you know, coming, like Julie said, all different walks of life. It's not about, you know, ultra athletic performance. It's really about unlocking, you know, your own, your own unique, best, most authentic self. And that is a different definition for every single person. And everybody brings, brought their own unique life experience. And we were just there to be of service to helping enhance and shine a spotlight on that.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. And so anyways, to all of the initial Jai tribe who came, crew, and everyone who attended, Rich and I love you. And thank you so much for making this first event so extraordinarily special in every way. It was just divine.

• 32:29Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it exceeded all expectations across the board.

• 32:38Rich Roll?

  And then after that, we went to Venice and spent a couple of days, family time there, which was amazing. And then we went to Ireland and hung out with the guys from The Happy Pair.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  The Happy Pair, the happiest men in the world.

• 32:48Rich Roll?

  These guys. I'm putting up my podcast with them next week, so you have that to look forward to. I'd heard of these guys, because I've been following them online, their YouTube channel and their Snapchat, etc. And I knew from a video that they did with Tim Sheaf that these are kind of the two, you know, sort of vegan people in Ireland who are making waves and doing interesting things. Twin brothers, they have a restaurant, café, called The Happy Pair. It's in Greystones, which is about, I don't know, 30, 40 minutes south of Dublin, right on the coast. And they invited us out to visit them and get a look at what they're doing out there. And it blew me away. Like, I'm so impressed with these two young guys

• 33:30Rich Roll?

  and their level of enthusiasm. I mean, their level of enthusiasm is like nothing I've ever seen. These guys are inseparable. And they are, they are just so active in the community. They are really community oriented. They've got this whole town that they live in, just ecstatic about healthy food and healthy lifestyle. They're teaching courses, they're changing lives, and they have, now they have something called Pearville, which is...

• 33:55Speaker 01

  They created their own city.

• 33:57Rich Roll?

  They've got 14,000 square foot facility where they're creating all these healthy food products, shipping them all over Ireland.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  300 stores in Ireland.

• 34:06Rich Roll?

  They're making YouTube videos like crazy, their Snapchat machines, and they're just full of life and positivity.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they're making, I mean, the thing that really blew me away is, you know, it's as good as any of the highest, you know, highest developed health food stores in LA, maybe even better. I mean, they have sprouting containers, they have, they're making kombucha, they're making kraut.

• 34:25Rich Roll?

  They make some of the most amazing hummuses and pestos, plant-based pestos I've ever had.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were shipping 90,000 bars this month. And their bars are amazing. You know, a lot of times bars for me, it really give me a stomach ache. I can't really, I can't really process them. But these bars that they made are really, really, really hot. Quality. So, and they're adorable and infectious and always happy and they're jumping into the Irish Sea at least three times a day.

• 34:52Rich Roll?

  They're the happiest two dudes I've ever met.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. They're twins that are literally almost like the same person and they just love each other. They're amazing.

• 34:59Rich Roll?

  So, a lot more, you're gonna hear a lot more from me about these guys. The podcast with them is going up this weekend and we're gonna try to incorporate them into our Irish retreat in Ireland, which is gonna be next summer.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 35:13Rich Roll?

  Yeah, so cool. So, I think this is a good moment to launch into an interesting, perhaps interesting discussion that we could have. A lot of messages that I've received in the wake of, you know, what, from an outsider looking in on this experience that we just had, you know, we got to go to Florence and we got to go to Sienna and we went to Venice and we went to Turin and we went to Ireland and people are saying, wow, you know, it must be nice to be able to make your living traveling to these amazing locations. Like, how do you do that?

• 35:49Speaker 01

  How do we do that?

• 35:50Rich Roll?

  How did you make that?

• 35:51Speaker 01

  How do we figure this out?

• 35:52Rich Roll?

  How did you make that happen where your career is merged with something that you're passionate about and that you're in service of?

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, starting at the very beginning and then we can launch into the, you know, our more personal is, you know, it really happened because I was practicing yoga and I was going to yoga retreats and it suddenly occurred to me one day as I was on one of these retreats that why were we coming to this, you know, one location which was basically like kind of a granola hippie location in Ojai when we could go anywhere in the world? I was like, why would we only go here when we could go anywhere? And so, I had this really profound experience. I told it at the retreat. I don't think I had ever told you before, but I was in Ravello, it was before I met you. And Ravello is on the Amalfi Coast and it could be the most beautiful view you could ever see in your

• 36:43Speaker 01

  entire life. It's absolutely, it's extraordinary beyond measure. And I had just discovered yoga and I went into these ruins next to the hotel in the morning really early and I started practicing yoga and I closed my eyes and suddenly I opened my eyes halfway through my practice and there were 60 people from the village had come down to watch me practice yoga.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  And so I was very attached to my yoga, which you are when you first start practicing. So I just continued. I closed my eyes and continued to finish my practice. And when I opened my eyes again, they had all left, except for this old Italian man, who had sat down on a bench four feet away from me. And as I finished, he got up and he shuffled over to me and he looked in my eyes and held his hand out. And I put my hand in his and he smiled and he had no teeth. And for a minute there, I was like, what is happening here? Like, is he gonna grab my boob or, you know, do something? I don't know. And he kneeled down and kissed my hand and looked at me very, very specifically. And then he turned around and shuffled away.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  And it was at that moment that I thought, I'm gonna bring people to Italy to practice yoga. So that is how the whole thing happened.

• 38:00Rich Roll?

  And that was 20 years ago.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had been invited to this villa for a friend's birthday party. And we all arrived and it was so magical. And I thought, wow, how did this happen? Like, we got an invitation back in the US and then everybody's just showing up at this villa in the middle of nowhere. So that was how it happened. And I ended up partnering with a well-known yoga teacher named Steve Ross for many years. And, you know, we did these high-end, you know, yoga retreats for many, many years, for almost a 10-year period, sometimes twice a year. We tried a boat and we tried a couple other things. We did a location in Mexico also that was really great. Rich came to many of these with me after I did too, then I met you and you started coming.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  But anyways, so it was sort of born there and it worked really well there. It actually really did change people's lives, although there really wasn't much of a spiritual program. There was a lot of laughing and a lot of yoga and a lot of shopping at the outlets, but there wasn't really any program. So when this opportunity came up again, the fact that we have a message that is touching people and your book and Finding Ultra and the Plant Power Way and all of that, I knew, you know, and also all the spiritual development that I've had over those, you know, 20 years. I knew that we had more to offer than that. So I already knew the baseline that it was gonna be awesome. But then I didn't know, you know, what we were actually going to be able to contribute,

• 39:27Speaker 01

  which was really, really beautiful this time. So, you know, these, I guess you could say this energetic pathway was laid 20 years ago. So it's something that, there's a foundation for it, you know, there was something that was meaningful, that was useful, and we've been able to now bring it back in and incorporate it with what we're doing.

• 39:47Rich Roll?

  But it took 20 years, you know, to really let this thing cook and mature to a point where we were ready and the audience was ready to do it. So the sort of larger question that I'm aiming at, that I'm trying to get to, is that, is bridging that gap between, you know, current circumstance to a more, a more idealized circumstance, right? So, you know, in 1998, 1990, you know, 1998, I was stuck in a career that I hated, and I could not see my way out of it.

• 40:28Rich Roll?

  I just didn't think that there was any way that I would ever reach any kind of escape velocity out of being a lawyer. You know, that's what I trained to do. Law school costs a lot of money, I wasn't gonna just throw it away. I had no idea what another way would look like, how would I support myself? I didn't even know what my passion was. You know, everybody talks about follow your passion, like, what are you talking about? Like, all I knew is that I was very unhappy and very unfulfilled in my, in my career. And through a process, I don't even know what you would call that process, but a process

• 41:06Rich Roll?

  of introspection, a tremendous amount of soul-searching, internal work, and confusion, and mistakes, and missteps, and blindly stumbling around in the dark, we've arrived at this other place. But 15 years of doing that, 16 years of doing that, of trying things that weren't working, and really, the undercurrent theme, the underlying theme in all of that, was trying to strip away at myself, to get at my heart, to find something that moved me. That's what Ultraman was, that's what ultra-endurance sports, you know, represented for me, that's

• 41:48Rich Roll?

  what this journey through nutrition, and health, and wellness, and meditation, and yoga has been all about. And so, it took all of those years to get to a place of some level of understanding.

• 42:04Rich Roll?

  Where it seemed responsible or appropriate to then be able to turn around and share it in a way that would be meaningful and not, what's the right word? Not like a surface level, sort of lip service way of conveying information, if that makes any sense.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, what you mean is that when it's actually part of your authentic self, it's not a business pitch, it's not a marketing pitch, it becomes part of you. That's the authenticity. That's why it takes so long.

• 42:37Rich Roll?

  Well, it has to become part of you before, you know, in recovery, there's a saying, you cannot share something you haven't got. You can talk about it, you can pretend like you're sharing it, but it's not going to stick or resonate with anyone because you're not, you don't actually inculcate that, you don't actually intuit that, you don't inhabit that truth. You have to get to a place where that is your truth, and then you can be a beacon that is in a place where you can share it in a way that it's going to be functional and work for other people.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so, you know, I thought that I was going to be doing this in my 30s, you know? I mean, that's been probably one of my biggest pains, have been having to wait for it. Like, I knew it was there, and I knew that I was going to be doing all these things, but to not be able to express it, or not be able to just launch it, and not, I didn't understand why it didn't work back then. And the way that I describe it is that, you know, we had good ideas back then, we did. Like, they weren't bad, they, it wasn't, you know, in the scheme of the world of what you could be doing, they were pretty good. But the key was, is that we still had traces of personal ambition that were mired in this service.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  So if you're saying that you want to help people, but you really haven't become yet, you're still running personal ambition. It's an idea of a persona that you want to be. It's an idea, it's really the same energy as an actress, you know, or a performer.

• 44:09Rich Roll?

  But I would say that I would be, it would be dishonest for me to say that I've been stripped of any ambition. Like, I'm an ambitious person.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  I would say that over the nine years that we were pummeled almost into nothing, that you were stripped of much of your ambition.

• 44:24Rich Roll?

  Well, I was humbled, for sure.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 44:27Rich Roll?

  I have a level of humility that I didn't possess then.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  Well, so that's part of it.

• 44:31Rich Roll?

  But I think the point I'm trying to make is you could still have goals and ambitions.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  No, but you're confusing what I'm saying.

• 44:37Rich Roll?

  All right, so clarify.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  You're confusing what I'm saying. Ambition is when it's for your own personal ego justification. Real service is when you're truly of service, without attachment to the outcome. Two different things. So, when you're of service, you're not serving, you're clear of the personal drive of things that you want to get. And I understand, I understand that you still have some and I still have some, I understand that, but in the scheme of things, in the grand scheme of things, that is the key thing that was different. Because we needed to be prepared in order to share at this level, in order to imbibe, in order to have the frequency and the energy. So, we did not have that, we were not mature at that point.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Meaning, we could not hold this example at that point. Because we hadn't been through all the trials, and all the tests, and all the becoming. And so, it takes a while to become in a life. You can't just become at a certain age because you want to be. You have to go through the alchemy and the transformation, and you know, it's really, you become alchemized.

• 45:53Rich Roll?

  The takeaway is a couple of things. First, patience. People that are trying to expedite this process of reaching escape velocity, out of whatever situation they find themselves in, to arrive in this more idealized version of themselves. It takes time, it's hard. And, you know, the second prong of that really is that the ultimate growth hack is...

• 46:23Rich Roll?

  A long-term, passionate devotion to mastery. Not that you'll achieve mastery, not that we've achieved mastery in the ultimate sense in anything that we do, but it's devotion to that mastery, mastering the self, mastering the tools that we're sharing. That takes a long time.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  So there, I'm gonna interrupt you right there. So devotion to mastery is very different than ambition. Do you see the difference?

• 46:54Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  So you just, you just expressed it.

• 46:58Rich Roll?

  But the goal, because the goal is not external. It's not, you know, it's not external affirmation. It's not any kind of material gain. It's commitment to the process of being better and showing up for it on a daily basis, whatever that is in your life, that ultimately will bear the fruit that you're looking for. But the moment you take your eye off that and you start looking externally is when you're becoming distracted.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. And when you say better, what do you mean by better? Becoming better, what do you mean by that?

• 47:32Rich Roll?

  Well, becoming a more actualized human being. You know, becoming more in touch with-

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Becoming more expanded.

• 47:37Rich Roll?

  Your heart, becoming more, yeah, becoming more expanded in your consciousness, you know, improving. And, and this touches into everything, which is why, you know, the event that we just hosted had to touch on so many things, you know? Nutrition is important. It begins with what's on your plate. But that is not the be all and end all. I feel like if we had done a week where it was just all about plant-based nutrition and nothing else, it's a missed opportunity to talk about the really important things because you clean up your plate so that you can get more in tune with who you are. And then it's about how do you channel that revitalization into the best direction that's gonna shift your trajectory and lead you towards the life that- You are meant to be living.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this brings me back to yoga. I have to come back to yoga because as you're sitting here speaking to me, I'm remembering the story I just told you about how these retreats started. The story that I shared that of how yoga is the foundational core of everything beautiful in our life. I could not have held space for you. I could not have said, "Rich, go train." If I did not have a yoga practice, I could not have. I met you in a yoga class. Recovery and yoga for you was the beginning of you starting to look deeper within yourself. And I can see you when you're on retreat, when you're practicing yoga every day. What a beautiful result. What a beautiful flowering that is in your personality.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  And so, you know, we're trying to give people takeaways for this episode of Ask Me Anything. The biggest takeaway that I would say is get your ass on a mat. Go practice yoga. Find it in whatever form. There's a million different places you can find it. Start practicing yoga. These asanas or postures carry a sacred vibration. They will clear you of all this residue. They will connect you with yourself. And as a side effect, you will become healthy and supple and flexible and more calm and all of these things. So, you know, really, yoga is a wonderful gift that we have as humans on this planet.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  And I can't stress enough the value of that practice as your guide and your constant through all the stages of your transformation.

• 50:03Rich Roll?

  Implicit in that is that the answers that you seek reside within you. That doesn't mean that you don't seek out the advice of a teacher, that you don't read books. That you don't garner inspiration from the people that are providing inspiration in your orbit, in your world, that you don't have mentors, that you don't seek the advice of people that you trust. But ultimately, you have to be your own barometer of what's right for you. And if you're struggling with which way to go, if you're indecisive, if you have paralysis in your life, in your relationships, the way to resolve that is always, and the answer's never going to change, is always inside of you.

• 50:47Rich Roll?

  And so yoga and meditation are really the key to unlocking that and finding your own personal truth to unshackle you from that paralysis. The truth is, is that, again, it goes back to, you know, a long-term devotion and commitment to mastery, because it's not going to happen in one yoga class. It's going to happen when you decide to change one thing in your life, and that's everything. When you make this commitment that this is going to be the most important thing, whether it's your spiritual evolution, the expansion of your consciousness, whether you're doing it through yoga, or meditation, or some combination of those two things, when you make the commitment

• 51:31Rich Roll?

  to prioritize that above everything else, above your job, above your relationship, that's when you start to step into the solution.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  That's right. Beautifully said. So it's all about yoga.

• 51:46Rich Roll?

  It's all about yoga and meditation. And I think all of the bounty, you know, the fruits of the pain that we've suffered, the hardships that we've gone through, are a result of that commitment, you know? And you've been leading the charge, like, I'm the, I'm the sort of reluctant, you know, complaining kid that gets dragged into it, and then goes, "Oh, why wasn't I doing this all along?" And then I'll relapse and revert back to my old default ways, and then I go, "Oh, yeah, I felt better when I was doing that." And then I go back in. You're, you're like a constant, and this is where we are like the yin and the yang, because you're, you're the one who's always been, you've never wavered in that commitment.

• 52:27Rich Roll?

  You're very, you know, your, your curve does not go up and down that much, it's pretty constant, right? You're able to hold that space and that's a unique, I think that might be your most profound talent is your just consistency with this. I'm less consistent and I'm, and it's that thing where knowledge will avail you nothing. It's like, I know what's right for me. Sometimes I struggle with getting into that place of doing it consistently, but it's always drawing me back. And I think giving myself like, not flogging myself and beating myself up for not being perfect or as consistent as you has been a struggle that, you know, I've been

• 53:09Rich Roll?

  constantly, you know, trying to overcome to get to a place where I can be okay with myself, but also aspire and work harder towards that level of consistent practice.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Well, I think, you know, I think along with, yeah, not beating yourself up and not being judgmental, there also comes a responsibility because, you know, at a certain level, when you've reached a certain level of maturity, you know, it's time to stand up and take responsibility, basically. So I'm not, I'm less, I'm, I'm less in the energy of, oh yeah, you know, it's okay to, to, to waver a bunch. It's like you-

• 53:45Rich Roll?

  I'm not saying that.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you, you know, you have enough experience now and it's kind of like for all of us. And, and this is like a planetary thing right now. I mean, the game is getting amplified up. You're going to start to see everything get like a kind of more intense, more amplified and spiritual practice is, is required of us. It's not a choice. It's not like a pastime or a hobby or a cute little idea of taking a picture of meditating. It is a, it is a necessity to be able to fulfill your mission. And I'm talking for all of us. It is a necessity to fulfill your mission. So if you don't know who you are, start practicing yoga so you can find out who you are. Because we need you to be-

• 54:33Speaker 01

  All of who you are, everything that you were created in your Divine Blueprint, we all need you. We're waiting for you. We're waiting for you to come online so you can join us. So, yeah, now things are getting a little bit more intense. You know, now it's like, no, you need to make a decision and you need to devote yourself to something greater than yourself. And, you know, one of the things in Jai Yoga practice that I designed in there is the first thing we do is lie down in pranam, meaning lie down on the floor and offer your life over to something greater than you are. Because we're just not in kindergarten anymore. You know, you saw the mass shootings

• 55:14Speaker 01

  in Orlando this week. This world is not all unicorns and rainbows. It's just not all happening. I wish it was, but it's just not. So, how do we manage? How do we maintain our light? How do we maintain our mission and keep our energy, you know, balanced and in a good place so that we don't get sick, we don't get diseased? I mean, all this going up and down and the, you know, the extremes, it's hard on your body. It's hard on your system. So, it's affecting you physically. It's affecting you spiritually. And also, it's affecting the environment because other people are receiving

• 55:57Speaker 01

  any imbalance that you're throwing off. And so, again, it comes to us understanding that we are spiritual beings having a human experience. And the spiritual practice is essential, right? Especially right now. Especially right now. And so, thoughts are things and emotions are things. And our inner space affects people around us. So, it's not just about your own, you know, experience. It's about the greater experience. And so, I'm going to be speaking up and sort of requiring and calling for and holding the space that we all up our game a little bit. I'm upping mine.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  So, you know, I'm not staying in this place. I'm going to another level. So, my spiritual practice is heightened right now. You know, I have, it is very, very in the forefront of what my life is. And I'm sharing that on my podcast Divine Through Line. Amazingly getting the most extraordinary letters from people all over the world who are having real human life experience happen to them, you know, and I'm honored to be able to hold space for them and speak to those type of issues. But I feel like we've hit a tipping point. I feel like, you know, there's, it's kind of a different game now and we're all being

• 57:20Speaker 01

  required to step up and, you know, take action and make a commitment on a lot of those things that we've known for a while, you know, are kind of in the, in the field, but we haven't really taken responsibility to step into them.

• 57:35Rich Roll?

  Everybody has those things. Everybody has something that they're, that's in their blind spot or that they're sort of semi-consciously aware they need to deal with, so.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's your life. This is your life right now. You don't know if you're going to be alive tomorrow. So what are you waiting for?

• 57:52Rich Roll?

  I think that's a good place to close it down for the day.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Okay. Thanks for having me on.

• 58:00Rich Roll?

  The powerful Julie Piatt laying down the mad crazy truths at the end.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Just got inspired a little bit there.

• 58:06Rich Roll?

  That was fantastic. Thank you. I'm inspired. No, it's true. I mean, I, you know, I guess I'm talking about it from just a place of honest, transparent experience with the struggles that I've had in terms of creating consistency. And so that's my commitment, you know, that's how, that's, that's the blind spot that I need to look at and amplify to get to a place where that's no, I mean, to, to, this is to say that that's no longer okay. It's, it's no longer okay for me to, to tell and create that story that, well, this is the way that I am, you know, I go up and down like this. That's just a story.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  It's just a story.

• 58:50Rich Roll?

  I have power to change that. And I've made great strides in doing that, but I still have work to do there.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Oh, we all do.

• 58:56Rich Roll?

  So that's the commitment that I'm making.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Beautiful. Awesome.

• 59:00Rich Roll?

  So that's it for today. Thanks, you guys.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me on.

• 59:04Rich Roll?

  So again, if you're interested in learning more about the retreats that we have going, ourplantpowerway.com.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  World.

• 59:11Rich Roll?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Our Plant Power World.

• 59:14Rich Roll?

  You'd think I'd know our own website, right? OurPlantPowerWorld.com. Check out Julie's podcast, Divine Throughline. I just put up a new video today.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  You did?

• 59:25Rich Roll?

  A new vlog.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  I didn't see it.

• 59:27Rich Roll?

  So check out my YouTube channel, youtube.com/ritual. Trying to do more vlogs. Trying to find a system.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  All right, honey, we just got back from the trip and everything.

• 59:37Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I know, I know. But I'm aspiring to ramp up my video production, because I really love doing it.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  You're really good at it.

• 59:43Rich Roll?

  Thank you so much for everybody who has been tuning in. It really means a lot to have this audience. I don't take it lightly. I don't take it for granted. I really do appreciate it. It means everything to me. If you have not subscribed to the show, please take a moment and do that. That helps us out a lot. Leave a comment on the iTunes page. That also helps us out a lot. What else? And thank you so much to everybody who has made a habit of using the Amazon banner ad at ritual.com. You can find that banner ad on any episode page. It doesn't cost you a cent extra on any of your purchases, but Amazon pays us a little commission on that, and that really helps us keep the bandwidth flowing. So, thank you, everybody, for that.

• 1:00:27Rich Roll?

  And what else do we have to say?

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  If you want some food inspiration and yoga inspiration, follow me on Instagram, @shrimati, S-R-I-M-A-T-I. Also, you can find my music on iTunes and CD Baby under Shrimati as well. And this summer, I'm working on a vegan cheese book that's due to be published in 2017, so I'm excited to share some of the process of that on Instagram. And like Rich said, you can check out my podcast, Divine Throughline. I'm on iTunes. You can subscribe there.

• 1:01:04Rich Roll?

  All right. Love you guys.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  Love you guys.

• 1:01:07Rich Roll?

  Be back with you soon.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Thanks so much.

• 1:01:09Rich Roll?

  Peace.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  Namaste.

• 1:01:10Rich Roll?

  Plants.