The Process of Process Is Process

Julie and I are back with yet another installment of Ask Me Anything, a twist on my typical long-form interview format where Julie and I engage you — the listener — by addressing the topics and questions you want discussed. This week's AMA explores: * the employment of passion * engaging in process over results * reconciling spiritual detachment with the law of attraction * releasing old ideas & changing your story; and * self-acceptance: embracing dark and light Special thanks to Steven Simpson and Jeff Warrington for today's questions, as well as everyone who submitted inquiries — keep ‘em coming! The show concludes with My Man, written and performed by Julie — aka SriMati– accompanied by our sons Tyler & Trapper Piatt. I sincerely hope you enjoy the conversation. Peace + Plants, Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Rich Roll?

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• 1:13Speaker 01

  The Rich Roll Podcast.

• 1:17Rich Roll?

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to the podcast. My name is Rich Roll. I am the host of this podcast. The podcast where I sit down with the outliers, the paradigm breakers, the big forward thinkers, the out-of-the-box minds and personalities across all categories of excellence and positive culture change to mine the tools, the insights, and the principles that can help all of us unlock and unleash our best, most authentic selves. So, this is another addition of Ask Me Anything. I'm here with the lovely Julie Piatt, my wife.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Hi, Rich Roll.

• 1:49Rich Roll?

  You are today's outlier personality.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:54Rich Roll?

  To talk today. And first off, an apology for being a day late on the podcast. Life intervenes sometimes.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  It was my fault.

• 2:02Rich Roll?

  No, it's nobody's fault. But hopefully, this will carry you through the weekend. And we have a great guest for Sunday night. That's going to be Conrad Anker, who is widely considered one of the greatest high-altitude climbers of all time. It's really great conversation. So that's going to go up late Sunday night.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  I can't wait for that one.

• 2:22Rich Roll?

  He's super cool. So anyway, thanks for tuning in, you guys. I appreciate you subscribing to the show on iTunes, for subscribing to my weekly newsletter, for spreading the good word. And if you want to support the show, there's two great free ways to do it. The first is, just give us a review on iTunes. Takes a couple of seconds, really helps us out a lot. And the second way is, next time you're going to buy something on Amazon, first click through the Amazon banner ad at richroll.com. I've gotten a couple of emails from people who are like, "I can't find the banner ad." Just go to the podcast page. It's right there, right in the middle of the page. Should be pretty easy to find. And there's also an option for people that live in the UK, so that you can support through Amazon UK. And just click through that,

• 3:05Rich Roll?

  buy whatever you're going to buy. It won't cost you anything extra, but Amazon kicks us some loose change, and that really helps support the show, the mission. And you can make it easy by just bookmarking the link on your browser. And that way, you don't have to keep going to my sites, just right up there on your browser. Makes it easy. So thanks so much, you guys. Today's episode is brought to you by...

• 3:34Rich Roll?

  All right, Julie, how are we doing?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  We're doing good. How are you doing today?

• 3:38Rich Roll?

  I'm doing pretty good.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  How was your morning?

• 3:40Rich Roll?

  My morning was good. I got to go see my old friend, John Moffett.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right.

• 3:45Rich Roll?

  At Cafe Gratitude, which was nice. Caught up. John's actually an interesting guy. I think I might get him on the podcast. I mean, he's a former world record holder in the 100 breaststroke. We were teammates at Stanford. He was a member of the 1984 Olympic team. And he has kind of an interesting story. He went into the 1984 Olympics, number one in the world on the 100 breast, predicted to win the gold medal against Steve Lundquist, who had been kind of the reigning champion in that event for many, many years. And in the preliminary heats, he tore his groin muscle completely, and had to drag his legs for the final 50 meters, which in breaststroke, you generate all your power from your legs. And he has these huge, massive, strong legs. He has quite some legs.

• 4:30Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and he still made it into the final heat and showed up at finals with a big bandage wrapped around his leg, had to drag his legs. And it was kind of a tragic thing. And it was, it ended up being a story in that Bud Greenspan documentary called 16 Days of Glory. Bud Greenspan is the famous, amazing documentarian who used to make documentaries about each Olympic Games. And John was the subject of one of those stories. Pretty heartfelt, amazing story. And now he's a filmmaker and a television producer in Hollywood. He's working on a really interesting documentary about the 1980 Olympic boycott, when the United States boycotted the Olympics in Moscow. Because he was a member of that team as well in 1980. He was the youngest member of the United States Olympic swim team. I think

• 5:15Rich Roll?

  he was like 16 years old at the time. And it's kind of his experience of what it was like to make an Olympic team and then not get to go. And then the perspective of all the other athletes and kind of the geopolitical kind of environment of what was going on at that time. It's pretty cool. It sounds amazing. Can't wait to see that. He's been working on that for years and years and years. You should have him on. I should. Well, you know what's funny is I did have him on a long time ago. And something happened and the audio file was corrupted. You remember that? Yeah, I remember. So we've talked about doing it again. So if you guys want to hear from John, let me know. Yeah, yeah. He's a great guy. Pretty cool guest. And he also recently had a really bad mountain bike accident. And he has a kind of an amazing story about that. He had to get airlifted out of Topanga State Park.

• 6:00Rich Roll?

  When was this? This was like, four or five months ago. He had major surgery on his leg and his ankle, and all that kind of stuff. Basically, what was happening was, he was coming down kind of a steep precipice, and there was a jogger in front of him, a female jogger. Who's kind of going down the hill and she had earbuds in. And he was trying to alert her that he was coming down or that he was gonna pass her and she couldn't hear him because she had earbuds in. And he ended up kind of crashing. It was, it was, he was going slow. He wasn't going fast, but he just landed wrong. And he completely like torqued his leg and part of his bone was sticking out of his ankle. Like it was really bad. They had to bring helicopters in. And she didn't even know. She just ran off. To this day, she doesn't know.

• 6:43Rich Roll?

  That she really was the catalyst to this accident. So it brings up a really interesting. Issue about wearing earbuds when you're out, you know, even if you're out trail running or, you know, and of course, riding a bike, like how that can be. Dangerous.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:00Rich Roll?

  You know what I mean?

• 7:00Speaker 02

  It's a good point.

• 7:01Rich Roll?

  Yeah. I mean, I wear earbuds when I'm riding and running generally.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Do you think you would have heard him?

• 7:06Rich Roll?

  Well, I don't, you know, it's made me think about that, right? I usually leave one ear out so I can hear what's going on and especially when I'm riding my bike.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:14Rich Roll?

  Sometimes when I'm out trail running, I don't though, because I'm like, I'm just on a trail, you know, but what happened to him has really. Made me think about that a little bit more.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's interesting.

• 7:23Rich Roll?

  You know what I mean?

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Do you want to know what I did this morning?

• 7:26Rich Roll?

  What did you do?

• 7:28Speaker 02

  I, I practiced yoga. I caught up.

• 7:30Rich Roll?

  Of course.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Seven AM yoga practice, beautiful, traditional Shiva Nanda series. And feels good getting up that early and being.

• 7:39Rich Roll?

  What time did you get up?

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Well, I got up, I mean, I did yoga at seven, but I was up before then, but.

• 7:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Did you get up at four again?

• 7:45Speaker 02

  No, not four.

• 7:46Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  Just like probably 5:30.

• 7:48Rich Roll?

  I never know.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  You never know.

• 7:50Rich Roll?

  No. And also the other thing is I just, yeah, I got back from a camping trip with Mathis, which was really nice.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  That's great. Where'd you guys go?

• 7:57Rich Roll?

  We went to Montana de Oro, which is a state park. Um, on the central coast, near San Luis Obispo, central coast of California. Really cool, beautiful camping trip, daddy, daughter bonding. Mathis is 11 now. And um. We got to uh, explore some sea caves and go on a long hike and. Be on the beach and make food together. And I think the thing that was great. I mean, for me, you know, it's just when you have four kids, it's hard to get that one-on-one time with one particular kid because there's always so much going on. Um, so it was really nice. I think it really brought us closer and I think that I was very.

• 8:38Rich Roll?

  Aware and kind of present with the idea that, you know, these are the precious moments, right? That's right. Like, you know, how long is she gonna wanna continue to do this kind of, I mean, she wants to, we wanna go more and all that kind of stuff, but I was like, this is the kind of thing that I'm gonna remember when I'm 80. Yeah, and she will too. She will too. Yeah, precious time. Anyway, yeah, it was great. All right, should we get to some listener questions? Let's jump in. So, the first one I have is from Stephen Simpson, and it's kind of a long email, but the gist of it, or the gist of his question, is really that he is, um, he's a very active

• 9:18Rich Roll?

  person, he's been inspired by the podcast, but he is trying to pursue a more meaningful career trajectory that's more in alignment with his interests. And the question really is, how does someone like myself find work or financial support being involved in both the adventure athletic community and/or either the wellness yogi-minded, thriving, organic, plant-based community? You know, how can he be led in a better direction? And it's kind of a hard question to answer. I mean, you know, even in the ad, like, for NASN at the beginning of the podcast, it's all about, like, get paid to do what you love. Like, that's what we all want, right? Wouldn't it be great if we could all get compensated for doing something that we're passionate about?

• 10:01Rich Roll?

  That's the, I think that's a fantastic goal for anybody, and we've worked very, very hard to get to that point where we are lucky enough to be in that position. But certainly, we had to, you know, sweat and work harder than I ever worked as a corporate lawyer to get to this place. And I think that the most important thing, or maybe the biggest piece of advice that I can give, is first to identify what that passion is, and then to just be expressing it more in your life without it being wed to this idea of when and how you're going to get paid for it, right? Yeah, absolutely. You know, when I started here, an example would be the podcast, right? Like, I started the podcast because I had

• 10:46Rich Roll?

  We were stranded on an island. I was feeling the need We had no friends. to express myself creatively, and I'd always loved podcasts, and I thought it would be cool. I'd gotten so much out of podcasts in my life, and I thought, maybe I can Contribute to this conversation somehow, but I didn't get into it thinking, how am I going to get paid doing a podcast? Like, I just wanted to do it. And, and then I did one and I was like, that was super fun. Let's do another one. Let's do another one. And I got really into it and I got better at it.

• 11:13Rich Roll?

  I think the podcast has stayed true to its original idea, the kernel of the idea that I had when it began, but it's, it's certainly evolved. And, and of course, the audience has, has grown like exponentially from, from when we began. And now it's in a place where,

• 11:29Rich Roll?

  you know, it's a financially viable path for us, like it, it, it's

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Beginning. It's not like, it's not like this amazing business model as

• 11:38Rich Roll?

  Right. It's not like the podcast could support my family, but it is, it is generating some revenue. And that's something that wasn't occurring in the beginning and it, and it wasn't why I got into it. I got into it because I enjoyed doing it. But like anything, when you devote yourself to something and you, you get better at it and better at it and better at it, and you're in the process and the journey and you're doing it as an expression of your authentic self and hopefully in a vein of service to other people. I believe that, that at some point, you know, as I said in Finding Ultra, the universe will conspire to support that.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Right. And so, how long has the podcast been? When did, when did, when did we launch? Do we know?

• 12:18Rich Roll?

  Two and a half years.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  It was in December 2012. That was when you launched it. Or November, maybe. December, I think.

• 12:25Rich Roll?

  Right. So we're coming up on three years of this December.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  So, and how many hours a week do you devote to the podcast?

• 12:30Rich Roll?

  An unbelievable amount of hours.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Just give us an estimate, like estimate.

• 12:33Rich Roll?

  Way more than most people think. Like, the actual interview part is the, is the shortest amount.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  That's the easy and fun part.

• 12:39Rich Roll?

  Yeah. The backend production aspect of it is, and I have help, you know, Tyler's producing the show and I've got Chris and Sean working with me on graphics and web stuff. But I spend a lot of time writing the blog posts for each one. I mean, hours and hours. If you broke it down, I don't know how many hours I spend a week on it. Maybe 20, 30 hours. Maybe not that many.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Okay. So we're, so we're two and a half years in going on three years. Right?

• 13:01Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  And it's only now starting to

• 13:07Speaker 02

  You know, become any source of business.

• 13:10Rich Roll?

  Right, right.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  So I'm just trying to make the point of like how much time and effort you've put in. And, and it's, don't get me wrong, I mean, I think it's the ultimate sort of like new paradigm business model because what it is, is we're sharing very, very meaningful information that's transforming people's lives and it is an amazing forum and an amazing sort of medium to, you know, to spread the message and to spread awareness. So even though it's not like, you know, for whoever wrote in, you know, and you're wondering, it's not going to be, you know, resulting in a kind of old paradigm job where like you get a paycheck and you see it physically, like you sort of have to build it in the ethers

• 13:54Speaker 02

  first and creatively first and then, and like James Altucher was saying, like, we don't even really know where it's going or how it's going to work out. There's a tremendous amount of faith and just, you know, just being, you know, being in the process of doing it, you know, being in the process of, of, of doing the thing that you love and then that creates, you know, the energy that then somehow will form into some position, some job, some, you know, some event, something that will, will then support you financially.

• 14:26Rich Roll?

  Well, I think there's a distinction, right? Like, it's possible that, that, you know, Steven could find a paying job doing what he loves, like maybe he can work in a, you know, in an outdoor retailer store that allows him to, you know, take groups of people out on, you know, adventure hike, I don't know. You know, like there's, there is the possibility that you could get employment from some corporate entity that would be supportive of the things that you desire. Maybe it's a, you know, an NGO or a nonprofit or something like that, but to the kind of James Altucher tip of choosing yourself, if you want to create like your own, you know, sort of reality that is self-supporting, then I think you're in for a longer road, but ultimately a, a more fulfilling road.

• 15:11Rich Roll?

  And there is no one path towards that. I can't tell anybody, like, here's how you do it. I think you have to, you know, really be diligent in identifying what that passion is and then, and, and like I said, you know, Be in the process of expressing it. Like, I just read this article with Stephen Colbert. It was in GQ Magazine. Somebody had tweeted it to me earlier today. And it was all about like him getting ready for his new late night show. And he said something really interesting where he said, "The process of process is process." You know, and like it's beautifully succinct and comedic and so true. Like, "The process of process is process," right? Like, you have to be into the process.

• 15:55Rich Roll?

  Like, I was into the process of training for Ultraman. I was into the process of doing a podcast, not because I had my eye set on some destination or what it would evolve into. And I certainly didn't do it because I thought, "Oh, this will be a good business or a lead generator for something else I'm doing." Like, no, I just enjoyed doing it. And it has evolved and grown into something, you know, that is now like a thing. But I didn't predict that. I didn't know that that would happen. You know, I just continued to do it. So I think if you can identify that passion and then begin to practice it and really fall in love with the process of doing it, the process of process is process,

• 16:37Rich Roll?

  and be in it for that, and then try to figure out how that can translate into being of service to somebody else, right? So, to the extent that whatever you develop, whatever acumen or level of skill that you can hone as a result of engaging in that process, how can that then be transferred to somebody else and be of benefit to them, right? Like, what are you going to bring to somebody else's equation that could perhaps fulfill a need or benefit their life somehow?

• 17:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I think it's also just saying yes to whatever presents itself that's in that arena. You know, that's in that sandbox of whatever you want to do. And just keep saying yes to whatever it is, no matter if it's a small thing. Because those are all little energetic steps towards, you know, creating a new sort of experience around your life. And, you know, I don't even know if there's so much figuring out. I think if you're in the creating and you're doing it and you're, you know, you're in with both feet, you're going to be presented with opportunities. And then you're going to know. And you're just going to be like, "Yes, I'm going to do that. Yes, I'm going to do that." And it will start to build.

• 17:47Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think that every successful person that I know, particularly in this town, like in Hollywood, I mean, look at any screenwriter, how many screenplays did they write before they sold their first screenplay? Like, you have to really be okay with working for free, you know, and, and having that faith that it will ultimately, at some point, translate into something in a way that you can't predict and is not going to be the way that you imagine in your mind that it will, right? Like, you know, there's a million personal examples that we've experienced. Like, I, I really enjoyed doing public speaking, and I wasn't very good at it at the beginning, and I did a lot of stuff for free, you know, I would go speak, anybody who would say, hey, come and give a talk, I would do it.

• 18:29Rich Roll?

  And as a result of doing it and doing it and doing it, without ever asking how am I getting paid or why am I doing this, I got better at it. And now, you know, I get, I have the, you know, amazing opportunity to travel to some cool places and get paid to give talks. But it didn't start out that way. I just enjoyed doing it. And as I got better, I realized how, how I could craft what I'm doing in a way that would be more impactful than the way it was, you know, the talk that I gave six months ago, or what have you, right? So, a lot of times I get emails from athletes, multi-sport athletes, triathletes, you know, really successful amateur-level athletes, I want to get sponsored, how do I get sponsored?

• 19:11Rich Roll?

  You know, they're, they're, they're looking to get something from a company. And, and I think the reasons for that are varied. Sometimes they just, they need the support because they can't afford the gear, or what have you, or maybe a little financial support could help them travel to a race here or there. But I think also there's an ego component to that, too. Like, if you can put a brand name on your jersey in your racing, then that somehow validates, you know, what you're doing with your time. But what I often see in these inquiries is... Is really the spirit of them is how can I get this person to give something to me? And I always say, my response to that is always the same. It's like, you have to flip the equation. You're asking the wrong question.

• 19:53Rich Roll?

  You should be, if you want to approach these people for support, you need to approach it from a perspective of how you're going to benefit them. Like, again, it goes back to service. How, you know, what are you contributing? It's an ROI equation, right? A company is going to sponsor an athlete if they feel like there's some gain, short-term or long-term for them. If there's not, then they're not going to do it. So, your job is to convince them that by associating with you, that somehow they're going to end up better off as a result of that, that relationship. And I think that that applies to, you know, how you pursue, whether it's a new job, or a career, or a choose-yourself endeavor. You know, what are you contributing? What is unique to you that nobody else has?

• 20:36Rich Roll?

  And everybody has something unique, because we're all individuated and unique creatures of God, right? We all have our own specific voice. And even if you're, like, you want to do a podcast, and you want to interview people that inspire you, you're not me. Your show's going to be different than me. So what is it about you that is unique, that could be, that could be, you know, sort of helpful and of service to other people? And I think that's really, when you, when you get into that mindset, and you're willing to commit and take that leap of faith, that's where you provide that opening for the magic to come in, in a way that, you know, could potentially, perhaps, transform or change your life. But you have to be in it for the long haul, and you have to be committed.

• 21:20Rich Roll?

  And I think you have to be unshackled by the sort of old paradigm equation of, how am I getting paid for this?

• 21:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I think we can all sort of switch the question that we're asking. And I think the old paradigm question is, what am I getting? You know, and I think the new paradigm question is, what am I bringing?

• 21:42Rich Roll?

  Right, that's exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, that's exactly right.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  So, you know, that's, that's just a good shift. So, spend some time in meditation, of course. Knowing what you're bringing would then, you know, require you to know yourself, or at least to have some connection into what your unique talents are, or what it is you really want to express in this life, or how you were really made and designed. So that, again, leads us back to meditation, and finding the time to connect with yourself, to connect with the inner child within you, getting some space around you, and really focus on, I think, seeing what's right in front of you, seeing what you have, in order to create a field of abundance, and of, you know, sort of surplus,

• 22:27Speaker 02

  and generous support around yourself. And then, you know, build from there. But, you know, think about, I think also a new way for us all to feel financially supported in this new energy is to shift our focus to getting our needs met. So, knowing that the universe will meet your needs. And that might not look like what you're used to. It might not include a 401K, or it might not include a very large savings account. But you'll find, as you step onto this path, if you're living in congruence with your heart, and you're expressing yourself authentically,

• 23:11Speaker 02

  you will find that your needs do get met.

• 23:15Rich Roll?

  I think also, you need to disconnect the paycheck from the passion initially, which means that, you know, you may have to work at a place that isn't ideal for you, you know, to support whatever it is that you're passionate about. Like, those worlds aren't necessarily going to be merged, you know, when you're taking your first steps. They start to align and come together over time. But it's, you know, I think you have to be okay with earning a living or, you know, getting a paycheck to make sure that you have a roof over your head and that you can

• 23:55Rich Roll?

  buy food in whatever way that you can as you continue to, you know, engage the process as process for the purpose of process. Does that make sense? Do you agree with that?

• 24:07Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I agree with it, but it's not what we did. So, you know, I mean, but not everybody has the path that we chose. So, you know, the path that we chose was...

• 24:16Rich Roll?

  But I practiced, I practiced law for many years longer than I wanted to.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there was also a point in the, you know, sort of in the process where we had to make a decision what, which way we were going. So, we didn't really work odd jobs to, to make us safe while we were pursuing our heart and passion.

• 24:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  We sort of jumped into the abyss.

• 24:40Rich Roll?

  That's true.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Which is kind of scary and it's kind of also, you know, I mean, I feel a sense of responsibility. I don't mean to say that, you know, there should be anybody else's path. And certainly, you know, we're not here to tell anybody what their life path is. We're here only sharing our experience and what we've learned along the way. And of course, everybody's experience is going to be unique. So I would say probably in the beginning stages, you know, yeah, you don't have to identify yourself completely with a job or with some sort of sustenance that you find yourself doing, you know, as a means to an end. That's okay. But what I would say is that you spend most of your focus connecting with your heart and really identifying what it is you came here to experience, you know, and what do

• 25:25Speaker 02

  you want your life to look like and what gifts did you bring with you? Because all of these are very, very important and life is precious and time is precious. And so you should, you should spend your time wisely. Now, how dramatic that is or how difficult that is depends on, you know, each individual is different and you can get... You know, the opportunity for awakening comes in many different flavors, many different packages. Ours happened to come in a financial dismantling package. Other people might receive theirs in a healing, you know, in a health issue, or through divorce, or through even natural calamity, you know, an earthquake, a tsunami, you know, like, all of these things

• 26:08Speaker 02

  are opportunities that our soul provides us to, you know, look deeper within ourselves and find something greater than this physical body and an ego personality.

• 26:20Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I mean, I think everybody's demarcation line is different. You know, at some point, there is wisdom in taking that leap of faith and like, sort of, you know, breaking the chains from whatever it is, whatever career path you've been on and saying, "Okay, I'm going into this now, into the abyss, I don't know where it's heading." But I think when you're trying to straddle both worlds, and we've talked about this quite a bit, like, you can't have your foot in both worlds. Like, are you committed to, you know, living this life based on your passion, or are you not? You can't have it both ways. And, you know, I mean, there's a responsibility quotient that has to get built into that, because you don't want to be rash. But also, you know, there will come a point where you're

• 27:02Rich Roll?

  like, "Okay, am I really doing this, or am I, or am I just playing around and giving it lip service?" And when you, you know, get to that point, that scary point, and you're like, "Okay, I'm going for it all the way," it's terrifying. Like, I won't, you know, that's a very frightening moment. But I think it's also really, at some point, it becomes necessary in order to allow, you know, the kind of universe to fill that void and provide the opportunities, you know, to move in a new direction.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, because if you're, if you're straddling both worlds, you're creating sort of a push-pull energetic. So you're saying yes to one thing and no to the other thing, but you're, so it's confusing. So the energy's trying to respond to what you're telling it, but you're telling it to conflicting things. So, you know, it... We experienced it, you know, definitely, very viscerally. And I remember one conversation where I was begging you to let go of law and to swim. And like I've said before, the help arrived a lot later than I thought it was going to. And had I known it was going to take so long, I don't know if I would have been so brave. But anyway, we were and we did, and here we are.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  So, anyway, just connect to your heart and feel your body. Let your body tell you, and you'll know. You'll know when you can no longer work in the other situation because you won't be able to bear it. Or if you need to make a decision and you're sort of stuck, often the universe will make that decision for you and you will find yourself without the job.

• 28:32Rich Roll?

  Yeah, right. All right, well, I hope that was helpful, Stephen. Next question is from Jeff Warrington. Thoughts on spiritual detachment. Basically, the opposite of popular notions that practicing laws of attraction are necessary to get what you want and/or to achieve goals. So, this is a really interesting question. Kind of the juxtaposition of detachment, or, you know, in the parlance of recovery, kind of surrender, right? This idea of detaching from the result of your actions versus these kind of, you know, well-known ideas around practicing the laws of attraction.

• 29:15Rich Roll?

  If you saw the documentary, The Secret, they talk a lot about that. Like, kind of putting out there, you know, what you want, like, sort of exuding that energy of where you want your life to be as a means of bringing that into your life. So, they seem sort of diametrically opposed. And so, how do you reconcile these two modes of thought?

• 29:36Speaker 02

  Well, I would say that everything is a level of awareness, and I would say that the secret information is a level that is not that aware and not that developed. And I think, you know, there's a lot of people that go around, you know, creating vision boards and saying, you know, if they say, it's like the little engine that could, if they say, you know, "I think I can, I think I can," you know, then it's going to happen. And that's all fine, you know, it's obviously better to envision things that you would like to experience in your life and also have a positive outlook and, you know, and, you know, keep a, keep sort of a positive energy about you. But I find that that is actually a pretty immature stage to be in.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  I think in, when you become more mature, you sort of realize that from the point that you're sitting in your personality, you can't really know what is best for you or for anyone else. And it comes through the transformational practice of detachment and of really cultivating a frequency of service and letting go and surrendering that you connect with something deeper beyond your personality and then you can truly be in service. The issue is though, is you can't really read about this in a book and actually get it. You can get the concept, but I don't really feel in my experience, I mean, maybe some,

• 31:03Speaker 02

  some could have just a realization in, you know, an enlightenment realization in meditation, but I think most of the human race were, were provided opportunities to alchemize ourselves into something more divine through challenges, through hardships, through, you know, difficulties in life. And when you go through these experiences of not having any money or suffering physically with health issues, or suffering the loss of, the death of, of a loved one, or maybe it's divorce, there's an alchemy and there's a friction that happens and it almost feels like you're gonna burn up and some, sometimes feels, you know, unbearable, like you can't take one more second of it.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  And this is in fact the alchemical process that is, you know, transforming you and is clearing you of these sort of more immature ideas. And then you get to a place in your expression where you're, you're simply a servant of that force that is greater than you and you release your attachment to the outcome. This doesn't mean that you don't do anything, you're still, you're, you're, you're engaging in Detached action, so you do move in the physical, but you've released your attachment to the outcome. And I find that a lot of the secret type, you know, programs that are, that are sort of been circulating,

• 32:30Speaker 02

  a lot of them have to do with this abundance. So it's like everybody that's in the spiritual, in that, in that stage of spiritual development, they all seem to be focused a lot on trying to get their, their bank accounts up. And what I've discovered in my experience of spiritual transformation, it has nothing to do with money. So, I mean, money is beautiful and it's an energy and it's nice to have it. But you'll have it in balance and alignment when you don't need it anymore. And when you need it, it's the grasping, it's still out of balance.

• 33:03Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think the, the distinction between detachment and practicing attraction can be pinpointed, at least one aspect of it can be pinpointed to, to issues around control. Right? So if you are detaching or you're surrendering, then you are releasing the illusion of control. If you're overly kind of connected to this idea of, of the laws of attraction, like, I think I can, I think I can. There's, there's this idea of control that creeps in. Like, if I do this enough, then I can control the outcome of what's happening. And so I think that there's a lot of peace and serenity around releasing that.

• 33:48Rich Roll?

  Right? And, and this is coming from somebody who is a control freak. You know, I'm a control freak. And, and it's very difficult for me to like let go and say, you know what? When I really sit down and think about it, I actually don't have control over very much. I have control over how I react to certain situations. I have control over what I put in my mouth and what I say. But I don't have any control over how people react to anything that I do. And I really can't control outcomes out in the world. And when you kind of really ponder that, you're like, it's kind of a relief. Right? It's kind of a relief.

• 34:31Rich Roll?

  You know, these are things I learned in recovery. I mean, they talk about surrender in recovery, and a lot of people misinterpret that and think that that means giving up, right? Like, "I didn't come here to like, give up. What do you mean surrender?" Like, "I'm not surrendering. I'm here to like, you know, make my way in the world." And I think that that's a confused interpretation. Surrender just means focus on what you can control, right? Place your intention on that, and the results will ultimately take care of themselves, you know, in your, in your long-term best interest.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I would, I would translate that a little bit, refine that last statement a little bit, to say, focus on the present. So, because really, ultimately, you're not really controlling anything, not even what you think you can control. So, but what you can do is you can do what's right in front of you, and you can be present, and you can take a breath. There you go. You can do that. So, and I mean, you know, I also wanted to say with, you know, with love and compassion, I'm not, I'm not, you know, I did plenty of that type of visioning, you know, in my early years, in my early development, you know, but I, in my experience, you know, I did a lot of that, that abundance of visioning, and nothing happened. It didn't really fruit with anything. And, you know, if you, if

• 35:46Speaker 02

  you just look at, you know, you have to look at a, at a life trajectory and what, what it takes to become. You know, what does it take to really become yourself? And that doesn't happen overnight. It's a process, and it's a journey. And, so, um, yeah, I would say, you know, considering, turning your, you know, like, what if you just considered, like, every night when you went to bed, you didn't get to take credit for anything that was perceived as good in your life, and you also didn't, you weren't allowed to take any blame or shame for anything that was perceived, quote, "bad" in your life? So what if when every night when you went to bed, you just gave the entire experience over to something greater than yourself?

• 36:30Speaker 02

  And said, "Thank you," in gratitude, and just let it go? And then what if when you woke up in the morning and your feet hit the floor when you're getting out of bed, what if you remembered that you're only in service to that force? And how would that shift your experience of how you meet every experience in your life? And in my experience personally, I've found that I have greater compassion, greater patience, greater energy and ability to work and serve and create and do things that I love. So, and it's a relief, and it is a relief. What a relief.

• 37:08Rich Roll?

  I think one good thing about kind of this idea of the law of attraction though, is that it kind of drives focus on intention, and intention is important, right? So if you're conscious of what your intention is, then that can sort of compel a decision tree of how you behave in certain situations, right? Like when you're very aware in the moment of what your intentions are, then that can mean that you're going to react, or act, or say, or do, or whatever, in a certain way to be in alignment with that intention.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a good practice. It's definitely a positive practice. And at some point, when your life is a living meditation and you're in full alignment, you will spontaneously react or act in any situation in a divine manner. It's like an instant reflex. It's not thought about.

• 38:05Rich Roll?

  Right. If you really want to attract like something into your life, you know, a relationship, a career, or whatever, I think really the best way to do that is to surround yourself with the people that do that thing, or you know, surround yourself with the people that you respect and aspire to emulate, and to undertake the actions that they take. You know, ultimately, that's going to propel you in a direction that I think will... Ultimately serve you.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, that definitely, definitely is powerful. The company that you keep is very significant in the experiences you create in your life.

• 38:47Rich Roll?

  And I think it brings up kind of a related ancillary issue that I was hoping we could get into, which is this idea of embracing both the dark and the light, right? Like, if you're talking about practicing the laws of attraction, that kind of, you know, sort of ventures into the sort of new age spiritual world of everything is beautiful, rainbows and

• 39:08Speaker 02

  Unicorns.

• 39:09Rich Roll?

  And, you know, everybody loves everybody and there is no darkness, right? And so I think, really, if you wanna, if you wanna grow, I think that it is better to, rather than repress or deny, but rather accept and embrace the dark aspects of your own life and the life around you, to at least acknowledge them, so that you can reckon with them. Because there, there are, you know, negative dark forces out there, and to pretend otherwise, I think, is somewhat delusional, right? So you have to embrace both aspects, you know, in a somewhat dualistic way in your own life, in order to then confront them and figure out how you're going to navigate

• 39:54Rich Roll?

  through them and overcome them.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, as human beings, we all have those polarities existing within us, and, you know, that, that's what it means to be human. So there's a disingenuous, how do I say that? Disingenuous Kind of feeling, I think, when somebody's always saying, you know, you know, "It's all perfect, everything's great." Like, you can feel under there that that's actually not the truth.

• 40:19Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  And so, you know, not, not that it isn't good to focus on the positive, it absolutely is, but I believe that, you know, we all, you know, we're the total sum, and we live on planet Earth, which is a land of polarities, and, you know, there are light and dark things that exist on this planet and within us. And so, by acknowledging that, you can exactly balance, reconcile, harmonize those two energies, so that the dark Isn't, you know, out of balance or overcoming you and you are able to, you know, rise up to some higher level of divinity. But, you know, I've always said, one of the really fascinating

• 41:00Speaker 02

  experiences of my life and my discoveries about my own life is that, you know, one could take the actual facts, you know, of my life or any human life, and they could choose to portray it in one of two ways. You know, they could choose to portray me, you know, as a spiritual seeker than I am, devoted meditator, mother, you know, artist, or they could take the darker aspects of my life and choose to express those. And it simply comes from the lens of perception. So you can perceive a situation, you know, one of two ways, you know, probably many different ways. But that was really super

• 41:45Speaker 02

  fascinating to me. I read this ancient Indian text called the Ramayana, and it's actually Ramayana or Ramayana, depending on the pronunciation, the part of India where you're from. But it's an amazing book, and it's a story of a Rama who is the dharmic hero of this, you know, epic tale, and it's six books. It's a huge, huge work. And there's so much fighting. It's a, there's many, many, many, many battles. And so Rama is this perfect, you know, dharmic hero who basically foregoes all of his birthright, you know, for humankind, and he always makes

• 42:27Speaker 02

  the greatest choice. And he's just, he's really just beloved and loves his beloved wife, Sita, and they become exiled for 14 years. And in like the fifth or sixth book of this entire work of so many battles going on. They, um, the, the work presents the perspective of the demons. And the demons have exactly the opposite perspective of this dharmic hero. And that was just a really beautiful teaching and I really got that, you know. It's like, one of my favorite quotes that I've said before, from Ananda Moya, "Every man is right from his own point of view." So, um, you know, we have this human experience and we, as human personalities,

• 43:10Speaker 02

  create a chain of experience out of these events. And more commonly, uh, we create a chain of suffering. So we'll say, when we were little, you know, "I never got picked for kickball," or, you know, "I have buck teeth," or, you know, "My dad left me," and we create this whole chain of suffering. And then, less frequency, less frequently, someone will make a chain of, of happiness. Like, "My parents love me so much, I always win, I'm always lucky." And the truth of, of life is that we're neither of these two stories. Both are false. So what we really are is the consciousness that's beneath it all,

• 43:51Speaker 02

  that is unchanging and, um, you know, eternal. And so, we're in this play of life and, uh, it, it is a play of both light and dark. And we have to understand and have looked at, um, ourselves as a total self-sustainable entity before we can truly, um, progress.

• 44:16Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's beautifully said. Um, I think it begs the question of, if we're going to transcend this dualistic idea of like, good and bad, like, to understand, like, to really, like, deconstruct this idea. Like, you look at your life and, you know, because we're human beings, we identify certain things that happen to us and we construct a story around it. And that's the story we tell ourselves about who we are. It's the story that we emote, either verbally or, or through our disposition or our actions, that we tell the world about who we are, right? And, and usually it's latched on to a few certain things that have happened to us in our life that we've decided are the most seminal or important, for whatever reason.

• 45:02Rich Roll?

  And for a lot of people, including myself, it's you're a terrible person. Like, you're not worthy, you don't have anything of value to say. And one of the most powerful struggles or kind of evolutions that I've had as a result of recovery is examining the veracity of that perspective, right? So, very early on in my recovery, somebody said to me, "All right, so you're telling, so you say that you're this and this and this, like, well, let's, let's look into that. Like, what would it be if that was actually not true? What if all these stories you've been telling yourself about who you are are actually not true?"

• 45:46Rich Roll?

  You know, and I had to pause, because then if you really embrace that, then you have created a foundation for your entire life based upon a false premise. Right? Which is an amazing thing. And then to get to that place to say, "Maybe I'm not that person. You know, maybe I could get to a place where I do have something of value to offer the world. Like, what would that be like?" You know, and that's the evolution. Like, that's, that's the work. And that's hard work, you know, that's hard work. But, um, but I think that there's a lot of people out there who are suffering because they are telling themselves some version of that story.

• 46:29Rich Roll?

  And it's very easy to stay stuck in that, to be your own worst enemy, and to be impervious to evidence that contradicts that story. So then the work becomes about examining it and getting to a place of releasing these old ideas. So how do we begin to release these old ideas about ourselves that are perhaps untrue and are not serving us anymore?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  And once again, that's really profound, really amazing.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  I've never heard you share like that in that particular manner. That's beautiful. Again, you know, it's knowing yourself. It's starting to entertain the idea that maybe there is something greater than a personality that's, you know, that is unfolding in your life. It's starting to do what you love. It's staying out of fear, like we talked about last episode. Find what you love. Stay out of fear. Connect with yourself in meditation and start to understand that you can be reborn in every present moment, literally in every present moment. You're not the person you were seven years ago. You aren't the person you were seven days ago. You aren't the person you were seven hours ago. So in each and

• 47:45Speaker 02

  every moment, there is a new opportunity for rebirth. The breath is very, very, very powerful tool and a very simple tool, but it's available to all of us all the time. And, you know, it's about, you know, committing, stepping on the warrior path and wanting to transform, wanting to rise up, wanting to experience something greater and beyond this polarity that we're living in.

• 48:12Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I think the other component piece to that, and this was expressed to me actually last night, I was reminded about this idea, which is really cool. A friend of mine said this. And it's that when you are carrying that baggage around, like if you're carrying this heavy load about who you are, and that's what you're kind of emitting to the world, if you're doing that, you are, you're caught up in yourself, right? You're probably just spinning and thinking about yourself all the time. Oh, I don't have anything to say. Nobody likes me. Whatever it is, whatever the story is, if you're looping that and you're walking around and this is the repetitive, like sort of mental pattern that you're,

• 48:50Rich Roll?

  that you're fertilizing, that is a form of egotism. It's a self obsession. It's an obsession of the mind that is equally egotistical as the arrogant person who thinks they're better than everyone else.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 49:07Rich Roll?

  And a more, perhaps more destructive, certainly more destructive to you. And I think the way out of that is to get out of your own self. So how do you do that? Well, you extend yourself to another human being in service of them. Call somebody else up who is having a hard time. Get out of your own. Head about who you are and what you're doing and just invest yourself in somebody else's journey purely in service, right? Self-esteem comes from performing esteemable acts. When you can make that a habit, then you will shift your opinion of yourself over time. But you have to get out of yourself and you have to understand that that that negative

• 49:49Rich Roll?

  thinking, that victimhood, that is very self-indulgent and it's selfish, right? It's selfish and it's not serving you.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Very true.

• 50:00Rich Roll?

  So maybe, maybe think of another way of behaving.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:05Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and the easiest thing is to pick up the phone and call somebody else, right? Like get out of your own head and act.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's another one of my favorite, favorite teachings from an Indian master that I worked with years ago was that he proposed that the resume that you write, like if you took a resume that you prepared and you compared it with the way you really feel about yourself on the inside. So if you just take a minute and so he says, what you're telling, who you're telling the world you are is more than you think of yourself and inside you think less of yourself.

• 50:41Rich Roll?

  Oh, totally.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  And so what he's saying is that that setup is very, very treacherous because you've created a violence in there within yourself. Like your, your being is fighting between those two sort of incongruencies. Neither are true, by the way. You know, not the, not the, you know, the shame part of it and not the arrogance part of it. But anyway, so, so fascinating. Great question.

• 51:06Rich Roll?

  Yeah, cool. All right. Well, I think we, we worked that one out.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  I think that's done for now.

• 51:10Rich Roll?

  We have a couple of minutes left. Maybe this would be a good time to check in with you on what's going on with you and food. What's going on in the, the evolution of Julie Srimati and, and food at the moment?

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Oh wow, that's cool. Well, um, kind of a lot, actually. I'm, I'm, uh, I'm kind of back from some travel and I've been, uh, working in my kitchen, developing some aged nut cheeses and I'm quite excited about that.

• 51:47Rich Roll?

  That sounds really hard.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  It's not really hard, but I'm gonna write an ebook about it, I think, uh, so that I can get the material out much quicker. So, I'm having a blast with that. It does include, you know, it requires using a dehydrator in some cases, um, and, uh, you know, sort of fermenting with some different things, but it's, uh, it's been really fun and I think the tastes are definitely, um, rising to the next level, which is really kind of fun. So I've been enjoying that and I've been enjoying, um, using, uh, all the knowledge that I provided in the Plant Power Way, but in sort of, as sort of a foundational creative point. And so, I've really been letting myself go to the farmers markets and connect with

• 52:29Speaker 02

  the farmers and find what's local and I'm challenging myself to really use like, big variety, like a different variety of things as often as possible. So like, last night on Instagram, I posted, um, a, a sa- like, seared okra dish and my grandmother from Texas, my mom Pearl, that was her name, um, she used to make this, of course, southern fried okra that was, you know, fried and it was kind of almost burnt, really, and it had cornmeal on it, but it was super, super tasty. And, you know, I don't know how many people are familiar with okra, but it's quite an interesting, um, specimen, uh, and when you cut it, it has a sliminess to it. So, I never liked it boiled or steamed

• 53:13Speaker 02

  because it's just too, there's, it has slime on it, literal slime on it. So last night, I found this beautiful purple okra and, um, just diced it up and got a little bit of coconut oil and seared it in a blackened skillet, got it a little blackened, not totally burnt. And then I just tossed it in, uh, nutritional yeast and some Himalayan salt and it was absolutely divine, beautiful, amazing. So I was happy about that.

• 53:39Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I got home late and there was a plate in the oven for me.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Oh, did you get to have any?

• 53:42Rich Roll?

  After everyone was asleep and I ate it, it was delicious.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  It was good, right?

• 53:45Rich Roll?

  Yeah, good job.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  That was good. And then these, um, finger lean potatoes, um, that were all- You know, I love finding all the truly organic vegetables that are completely, you know, um, organic in shape. You know, they have things growing out of them and they're sort of, you know, unique shapes. They're not all perfectly round in different ways. So I found these finger lean potato, potatoes and I made them in a, kind of a variation on a cashew cheese, um, broth, but I, um, made it with more water in it and I used brown rice miso and tried some walnuts, actually, instead of cashews and it worked really great. So, that was also quite delicious. The kids loved that. So that was really fun. So I'm

• 54:29Speaker 02

  posting all of that on Instagram. If anybody wants to, um, follow my feed. I'm trying to entice you all to buy my book. So I'm working very hard.

• 54:37Rich Roll?

  Is that what's happening?

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Someone told me, actually, this really cool, actually-

• 54:40Rich Roll?

  That's the real intention, yeah.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  There's this really cool person, uh, who's on Instagram and I think they're Drum Gooland. Is that who they are? And this person, if it's the right, uh, feed, they live on a farm and they post the coolest stuff ever and they, I don't even know them. I don't even know if they know what an inspiration they are to me. But, uh, they just told me that they were like, "Okay," she says, or he, "It's Drum Gooland. I think you have finally convinced me to buy your book." And then, I have this other amazing, uh, chef, uh, that I met in London at the farmer's market. And, uh, she is quite an artist, just amazing. And she just started, uh, following me as well. So, we're having fun with the

• 55:24Speaker 02

  foodie stuff, uh, on my feed. I can't find her right now. Name is, oh, here, let me find her. So you have 23 comments already in this. Let's see. Um, anyway, I'll have to find it and mention her again another time. But anyway, it's a lot of fun.

• 55:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah. All right. Cool. And, uh, already starting to get organized about putting together-

• 55:49Rich Roll?

  Some new cookbook material.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yes, we are. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm actually working on a very special book to me. I'd actually like to hear from you guys, how you feel about this. But I, I started making art cakes for my kids since my oldest boy Tyler was two years old. So for about, you know, 18 years, every birthday, my children could just come to me and say, "I would like X," and I would create it on the fly the day of their birthday. And oftentimes, they even ended up helping me decorate it at the end. So it was, it was this event that they knew that they were so special on their birthday that I would spend all this time and do this particular thing for them. And so, we've had many, many different versions.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  We've had pegasus, and we've had fairies, and we've had lots of guitar cakes, some bass cakes. We've had self-portraits of animals, ganeshas, trees, all kinds of things over the years. And so, I'm developing a book that has like five gluten-free vegan cake recipes, along with frosting recipes. And I'm going to present eight to 12 designs, and along with parenting advice, and sort of sharing my experience of raising my four kids. My four very different artistic, unique kids, as I'm sure yours are as well. So anyway, I'm excited about sharing this because, you know, I feel like it's a beautiful,

• 57:20Speaker 02

  it's been a beautiful experience for me to connect with my children that way. And I think it's, it's just the act of actually making the cake and not going down to the supermarket and buying, you know, something off the shelf, that, that means the most. And some of these cakes were very kind of hilarious looking. They're, they're sort of bohemian art cakes. So it's not about perfection. I never took a cake decorating class. I'm sure I could benefit from one. But, anyway, it was, it was very true and authentic and spontaneous, and it's been a joy for us. So I hope to share that with you guys. And also, some of the history, historical, historical photographs of our family, now that we are established and...

• 58:04Speaker 02

  I mean, that I'm 53. I have historical photographs of raising my kids. I can't believe that.

• 58:10Rich Roll?

  Very cool. And the idea that like a cake could be vegan and gluten-free and be awesome is kind of a mind blower for a lot of people, but it's true.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  It is. It's true.

• 58:20Rich Roll?

  So, we're looking forward to that.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Thanks. I'm excited about that.

• 58:23Rich Roll?

  Cool. All right. Well, I think we did it for this week's edition of Ask Me Anything.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Is that it?

• 58:29Rich Roll?

  I think we're done.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Okay, awesome.

• 58:30Rich Roll?

  We're done. Thanks, you guys, for listening. If you have questions, keep sending them in to [email protected]. We're going to keep doing it as long as you guys keep sending us questions. Again, sorry for being a day late, but you know, such is life. For all your plant power needs, go to richroll.com. We've got nutrition products, signed copies of Finding Ultra, we've got the Plant Power Way, we've got 100% organic cotton garments, we have Julie's meditation program, which is flying off the shelf, the digital shelf. People are enjoying that.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  Happy to know that, guys.

• 59:02Rich Roll?

  Plant Power Tech Tees, Peace and Plants sticker packs, temporary tattoos, we have fine art prints, we have lots of cool stuff. So, go there and check all that stuff out. Thanks for supporting the show, you guys, for telling your friends, for sharing it on social media, for Instagramming it, for subscribing on iTunes, for subscribing to the newsletter. We appreciate you guys.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Very much.

• 59:26Rich Roll?

  Yeah, so...

• 59:27Speaker 02

  And to connect with me, you can go to shrimati.com. I'm also @shrimati on Instagram and Twitter. That is S-R-I-M-A-T-I.

• 59:36Rich Roll?

  Are we going to take this out with a song?

• 59:38Speaker 02

  We are. I think we're gonna... Actually, Tyler wanted me to post "My Man." So, it's a song about Rich and my early journey. It's a love song I wrote for you. Just another one.

• 59:51Rich Roll?

  Cool.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  Have you heard it?

• 59:53Rich Roll?

  I have heard it. I think I might have heard that song.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  It's been a while.

• 59:57Rich Roll?

  I like that song. All right, cool. All right. See you guys in a couple of days. Thanks so much. Peace. Plants.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  Namaste.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Underneath your pain I feel your song

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  Beating my heart

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  The image reflected in your eyes

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Says it all

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  If this is an illusion Why can't I be Deluded in you

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  I'm desperate to break through these frozen walls

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  But I can't see through

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Pain is the chain of all

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Keeping you

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  From yourself

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Your expectations chisel into stone

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  They form yourself

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  If this is an illusion Why can't I be Deluded in you

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  I'm desperate to break through these frozen walls

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  But I can't see through

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  You walk in

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  Feeling fine

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  You walk right in

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  There's a magic in your smile

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  I feel your touch once more for the first time

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  My man

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  My man

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  Just shut your eyes and fall into my dream

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Take my hand

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Take my hand

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Take my hand

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Take my hand