‘Fargo’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Kyle Brandt

CR Month rolls on with a trip to the Twin Cities to revisit Joel and Ethan Coen’s 1996 crime thriller ‘Fargo’ starring William H. Macy, Frances McDormand, and Steve Buscemi. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic This episode is sponsored by Anthropic, the team behind Claude. Try Claude for free today at Claude.ai/rewatchables. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:36Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables brought to you by The Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find the watch with CR.

• 1:41Chris Ryan?

  You betcha.

• 1:41Bill Simmons?

  Chris Ryan. We're in CR month. How's CR month been for you?

• 1:45Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's a whole brave new world. I get to call the shots. I have the headset on.

• 1:49Bill Simmons?

  You're like shot caller.

• 1:50Chris Ryan?

  I got the Cheesecake Factory menu. I'm dialing things up.

• 1:53Speaker 05

  Does it feel like you have the ring, Chris? Can you handle it?

• 1:58Bill Simmons?

  Not part of the Ringer Podcast Network, but a big part of the Rewatchables.

• 2:02Speaker 05

  Darn tootin'.

• 2:03Bill Simmons?

  NFL offseason, always a good time to get you. We're gonna have some fun stuff coming over the next couple of months. When was the last time we talked? Dan, Dan, Arnold, Sly.

• 2:12Speaker 05

  Too long, buddy, too long.

• 2:13Bill Simmons?

  Demolition Man's just sitting there for us.

• 2:15Speaker 05

  It's all sitting there. There's some that we haven't got to. But Bill, the headline here right now is, do you know that right now, this is the first time in my life I've ever been in the same room with Chris Ryan? Ever.

• 2:23Chris Ryan?

  It's true.

• 2:24Speaker 05

  It's the first we've never met in person. This is it. And you know the kids talk about aura?

• 2:28Chris Ryan?

  The energy.

• 2:29Speaker 05

  Come on, look at this guy.

• 2:31Bill Simmons?

  Well, what better time than CR month?

• 2:32Chris Ryan?

  It's Gary and Carl, right here.

• 2:35Bill Simmons?

  A movie you've wanted to do for some time?

• 2:37Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 2:37Bill Simmons?

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• 3:26Bill Simmons?

  All right. Everyone has a favorite Coen Brothers movie. I asked you for a list a while ago. Hey, if you wanted to do a Rewatchables, send me 80s, 90s, 2000s. You sent all these lists. Really fun list, by the way.

• 3:38Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 3:39Bill Simmons?

  Lot of stuff that I like. We've done a few of them. Fargo is on the list.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:42Bill Simmons?

  So why?

• 3:44Speaker 05

  So my headline is a hot take. It sounds like one. I think Fargo is a perfect movie. And I know we're gonna poke holes in it. We're gonna have some fun.

• 3:52Bill Simmons?

  Tom Hanks said that as well.

• 3:52Chris Ryan?

  Not a hot take.

• 3:53Speaker 05

  Is that true?

• 3:53Bill Simmons?

  Tom Hanks literally said that. That was his take on Fargo.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  On the rewatch, see, I love hearing that. There's not, it's not only there's not a scene I don't love, I don't think there's a moment I don't love. There's not a character I don't love. It's one of the best scripts ever written. It's on the shortlist of best movies to not win best picture. It's terrifying, it's hilarious, it's romantic, it's violent, and there's a lot of great movies. I feel like it's a perfect movie and I say that fully believe in it. It's, I love that we're doing it.

• 4:21Chris Ryan?

  Perfect movie, you know, if you do the big five for Oscars and it's the performances and you're like best actor, best, best picture, whatever. This one has the five tools. It's like best music.

• 4:31Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 4:32Chris Ryan?

  Best shot movie, one of the best shot movies I've ever seen. Best script, one of the best scripts you'll ever read. And three or four of the best performances you're gonna get in a film. And it's so distinctly them while being part of like this amazing tradition of film noir movies from the previous decades. It's just an incredible creation into Kyle's point, man, you're watching this. Talk about a perfect game pitching performance. Not one scene doesn't have a point. Not one action doesn't have then a causal relationship to the next thing that happens. You know, and it's just so funny and so sad at the very same time. It's almost like the perfect distillation of what the Coens can do well.

• 5:13Bill Simmons?

  98 minutes.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  It's amazing.

• 5:14Bill Simmons?

  We don't have Craig today in studio, he's coming in later.

• 5:16Speaker 05

  I know.

• 5:17Bill Simmons?

  But Craig, the 100 minute rule, this is within two minutes.

• 5:19Speaker 05

  Minus two.

• 5:20Bill Simmons?

  So when you say perfect movie, this is about as close as it gets. I, I think my favorite Coen Brothers movie is No Country.

• 5:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:28Bill Simmons?

  But it's like one A, one B, and it's hard not to watch this movie and think of No Country a little bit too.

• 5:33Chris Ryan?

  They're very much in conversation with each other.

• 5:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and it's similar themes and it's a more blown out version of what they did here. The, the thing that's crazy here is it's like those, like those Greg Maddox games from the 90s where it's like, I threw a two hitter, I threw 88 pitches, I struck out eight, two guys got on base.

• 5:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:53Bill Simmons?

  And, and the game was over in an hour and 49 minutes.

• 5:55Speaker 05

  Maddox was throwing a fastball that's 88 miles an hour. This one also has Randy Johnson's fastball too.

• 6:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:01Speaker 05

  Like it's 100 plus. The, the runtime thing you can't get around. I just named six different genres that this movie is. You should need two and a half hours to fill all those genres. It is so tight. It's, I keep saying it, like every single scene I love. There's not a single pee break, there's not a single filler scene. You're like, all right, enough with this, this gets, every scene is the good stuff. It really, the perfect game analogy is what it feels like. It was like. I don't even know if they're ever behind on the count, you know, like let alone a baserunner.

• 6:27Bill Simmons?

  Well, the controversial scene is when she runs into Mike from high school, but that seems really important.

• 6:32Chris Ryan?

  It's hugely important. Yeah.

• 6:33Bill Simmons?

  It's the whole reason she ends up going back to see Jerry.

• 6:37Chris Ryan?

  It's that, it's not only is it plot important, but it's theme important because it's about the facade that all these people put up. It's about like Jerry with his suit and his pin and is like, yeah, I'm gonna sell you the true coat, you know? And it's like, but actually this guy, this guy's life is going down the fucking drain as you watch him on every single scene. If you know where Jerry ends up, this is why it's a great rewatchable, to watch Jerry in the first scene, in the first moment, every time he interrupts, interacts with Scotty, you're like, this guy is living a lie and Mike is too. And even though Mike is vulnerable, quote unquote, he's vulnerable about a complete fiction. You know what I mean? He's crying about something that didn't actually happen.

• 7:18Speaker 05

  You know how you know it's perfect too? Even the kid actor, it doesn't annoy me. The kid actors always annoy us. I think Scotty's good. Like he does his part perfectly fine. Even he is well cast and performs well. And I love, I mean, the Yanagida scene, we're gonna talk about a lot. It's probably my favorite scene in the movie. There's two schools of belief about this. There's this whole section of the fanhood that think it's hilarious because it's the most random scene in cinema history and serves no point. It's just a funny thing the Coen brothers wanted to do. Then there's the second layer. They're like, no, no, no, no. It's incredibly instrumental because after Margie sits with Yanagida, she starts thinking about being lied to.

• 7:53Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  And she knows that Jerry lied to her in the car dealership. I rewatched it again this week after reading that. There's two scenes of Margie just driving by herself. And she does some real face acting, Bill. And she goes like a little tiny Oscar winning thing where she's like, hold on a second. And then she's in Lennard's office all over.

• 8:11Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 8:11Speaker 05

  That's amazing.

• 8:12Chris Ryan?

  There's also a third layer to it, which I think I, I hadn't really thought about before. And maybe this is a little TV brain because you start to be like, what if this is what this is really about? But she dresses much differently to go meet Mike. She puts on makeup and like, most of her domestic life with Norm is like, all right, let's go eat the smorgasbord and let's go downstairs and watch a little TV. And I, but there, she's in Minneapolis at the Radisson. Like what, like, I'm not saying that she was gonna do something about it.

• 8:39Speaker 05

  Chris, I danced around a hot take about that.

• 8:41Chris Ryan?

  But I think she wants to feel observed in a different way.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  She definitely does.

• 8:45Chris Ryan?

  And I think that that's like, that's a third layer of a scene that is just like, not a throwaway, but is like a comic tragic move midway through the second act of a movie that then goes into this relentless overdrive.

• 8:58Bill Simmons?

  Well, how about a movie that, where she wins best actress?

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 9:01Bill Simmons?

  But we don't see her for the first 34 minutes of the movie.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  I know.

• 9:04Bill Simmons?

  What a flex.

• 9:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, incredible.

• 9:06Bill Simmons?

  It's, I, I don't know of any other movie that's taken that long. We've seen movies where the characters come in later.

• 9:12Speaker 05

  The best supporting actors, maybe.

• 9:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not, not this, where the, the whole third of the movie is done. But it actually makes sense when she comes in because there's no case yet.

• 9:20Speaker 05

  Didn't you clock that watching it? When, when it goes to the Marge thing, I paused it too. And it's a, it's a painting, one of Norton's painting and they're in bed. I'm like, holy shit, we're just seeing Marge now and the movie's a third over. I did the exact same thing.

• 9:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So I watched this movie with, uh, my budding film buff, my son.

• 9:35Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 9:35Bill Simmons?

  Who knew nothing, like nothing. He was really excited that it wasn't a long movie.

• 9:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, that.

• 9:41Bill Simmons?

  He got a couple woes, but then at the end of the movie, he just kinda did one of these and he's like,

• 9:48Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna chew on that.

• 9:49Bill Simmons?

  What was that about?

• 9:50Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:51Bill Simmons?

  And I, and I said, just sit with it. Sit with it. Let's talk about it tomorrow. It's like, all right, I'm gonna sit with it. And then we talked about it the next day and basically I think he, he kinda figured it out. I had to help him a little bit. You know, he was young, he's 18, but.

• 10:05Chris Ryan?

  What did he, what was his conclusion?

• 10:06Bill Simmons?

  It's just like, this, the whole point is that evil could be anywhere, even in the most simple place.

• 10:10Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 10:11Bill Simmons?

  You could have dumb, incompetent, normal, the, all these, all the stereotypes of people who would live in this part of the country. But you never know what could emerge and this is how it happens. And that's, I think what the movie's about.

• 10:24Speaker 05

  It makes me nervous that, that your son is on his phone while he's watching Fargo.

• 10:28Bill Simmons?

  He wasn't. He was locked in.

• 10:30Chris Ryan?

  You know, Ben's in a, in a, in a flow state right now.

• 10:33Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 10:34Chris Ryan?

  Ben's like watching 2001 multiple times.

• 10:36Bill Simmons?

  Okay, good. But I kept peeking over to make sure, but that this movie is so engaging.

• 10:41Speaker 05

  I know.

• 10:41Bill Simmons?

  And it moves so fast. And even like, When they get the escorts and it's just, there's a scene, she's riding him, the other guy's in the other bed. Then they're watching The Tonight Show, we move on. It's like 20 seconds, but it's just trying to get so much done. I think if they made this movie now in the wrong hands, it's two hours and 20 minutes.

• 10:58Chris Ryan?

  Well, I mean, I think you could see sort of a version of this in the series that Noah Hawley made that's inspired by the show, which is a lot of interesting stuff and a lot of like interesting expansions on some of the themes of Fargo. It's never really related, although there's some like cross, there's some stitching that goes back to Fargo. It's not, but it's not explicitly a remake or an extension of it. But it's, it's got a lot of filler. I mean, he's making like eight hour, 10 hour movies of each season. And it's kind of antithetical to the sort of what the Coens were really doing here. I think to your point about like evil can lurk anywhere. It's also about how some of the stories that I think that these guys are so obsessed with, the Hollywood gangster and crime films of like the 40s and the 50s,

• 11:44Chris Ryan?

  that we always associate with New York, Chicago or Los Angeles. And it's like Raymond Chandler and a femme fatale and a kidnapping or whatever. It can happen anywhere. Like it's not the place that is the home of the, of the evil or the bad stuff or the crime.

• 11:58Bill Simmons?

  It's not Hollywood in 1949.

• 12:00Chris Ryan?

  People have it in them and they can be in a snowblown tundra or in downtown Los Angeles in the 40s. It doesn't really.

• 12:07Speaker 05

  You know what the Coens love? They fucking love A Big Case of Money. It's, it's, I mean, it's one of the lead characters in no country.

• 12:13Bill Simmons?

  They love desks.

• 12:14Speaker 05

  They love that. The Case of Money shows up in Lebowski as the ringer. Like they love that.

• 12:19Chris Ryan?

  They love kidnappings. Joel's talked about it. Joel clone talked about how it's just like, it's just an amazing dramatic conceit. Because it basically does a stress test on all the characters, both the kidnappers and the, and the victims of like, you're being put into a position and you have to consider things you never thought you'd have to consider in your life. How much is somebody worth? What would you do maybe to get over on somebody? What would you do with your partner who you're doing it with? Like all this stuff comes out.

• 12:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I wrote down some common themes from their movies. Let me know what you agree with.

• 12:50Bill Simmons?

  Everyday people in increasingly crazy situations, which always works in a movie. Like even if you think about a movie like Say Anything, like her dad is involved. He's getting in trouble with, what was it, the IRS or the insurance?

• 13:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:02Bill Simmons?

  Or he's stealing from the nursing home. And he's trying to cover it up. Like, they love that. The evil starting in the most simple, unassuming places, but also with some of the dumbest people possible.

• 13:14Bill Simmons?

  It seems to be something they're attracted to over and over again, where it's like, can you believe these fucking nimwits?

• 13:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Bill Simmons?

  But this is like, this is 30 years. This movie's literally 30 years ago.

• 13:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right now.

• 13:25Bill Simmons?

  March 8th, 1996. But you think of the true crime shows, whether you're watching like a Netflix show, or even like those 2020 shows on Hulu. It's always these people that you're just watching going, why did they think this was gonna work?

• 13:38Chris Ryan?

  And there's this prescient, the title card at the beginning of like, everything here is true except for the names, which we changed to spare them. But it's like.

• 13:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they made that up.

• 13:46Chris Ryan?

  They made that up?

• 13:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 13:47Chris Ryan?

  And like, people have gone through like old newspapers to try and figure out what case this is about. And then like, they've kind of let it linger. They are tricksters in that way. Like, they'll, they'll play around with the audience's expectations.

• 13:59Bill Simmons?

  Couple other things though.

• 14:00Chris Ryan?

  What do you got?

• 14:00Bill Simmons?

  Somebody making a plan. You can't make a plan. Cause it's the old saying about, man makes a plan, God laughs.

• 14:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:08Bill Simmons?

  They find humor in everything. Which I think, one of the things that I think has been ripped off from this movie, and I don't know, I don't know if it's fair to say ripped off, but maybe influenced. But like, I think of a show like Barry. Or even think of like The Sopranos, when they lost the Russian in the woods. Like, you can just see the Fargo DNA all over the place.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  Directed by Steve Buscemi.

• 14:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, and I don't know if I fully realized that for a few years. But when we had Hader on that time, when we did No Country.

• 14:36Chris Ryan?

  Of course.

• 14:36Bill Simmons?

  And he was talking about, he basically like, he wanted to do Barry because of the Coen brothers.

• 14:40Chris Ryan?

  I think that they especially shoot violence in a way that's, to me, it's almost unique. I'm sure there are other examples. But it basically confronts the viewer with both the like, high comedy and, and deep.

• 14:54Chris Ryan?

  Deep trauma of violence. So you take, we'll get to it, but like the highway scene, the state trooper scene, which is kind of funny.

• 15:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:02Chris Ryan?

  And it's kind of funny watching him drive like a Keystone Cop after the guy and stuff like that. But it's also so sad and scary.

• 15:10Speaker 05

  Another hilariously funny part is the payoff of the ticket gate agent where he comes into the second one. Can I have your ticket? He just blows the guy's head off. That's a horrible thing and it's so fucking funny.

• 15:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 05

  That's why like, I have really vivid memories of seeing in the theater. Cause it was so unique and I just remember sitting there being like, I don't know any of these actors. Like I knew Buscemi because I was into Tarantino at the time, but like never seen Macy before, never seen. I didn't know them. And I remember people laughing so hard at different parts of the movie that were supposed to be funny. It weren't supposed to be. I just laughed as a 15 year old or whatever I was like, just feeling like totally unwieldy.

• 15:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like I don't get it, but it was awesome.

• 15:47Speaker 05

  What genre was it? But like, I'm seeing it again tomorrow.

• 15:50Bill Simmons?

  You know what? So the opening credits. You could like, see, I was talking about how when they usually make movies like this, they're setting these cool locations and it's big, fancy lavish, whatever. And they do that in the beginning and it's just basically a, a, a truck that's towing something.

• 16:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:07Bill Simmons?

  Coming out of a blizzard. It's the most mundane thing you could possibly see on a highway in Minnesota. But the way they shoot it, you think it's going to be this awesome dramatic thing.

• 16:15Chris Ryan?

  But it's also.

• 16:16Bill Simmons?

  It's like, oh, that's a car.

• 16:16Chris Ryan?

  It's the, I mean, the music is gorgeous.

• 16:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's amazing.

• 16:19Chris Ryan?

  The moment Jerry can't come back now, like he's given them the car. Now it's, now it's too late to do it. Once you set something in motion, you can't pull it back. And he tries to pull it back multiple times and it doesn't work.

• 16:31Speaker 05

  I got, I mean, I, I have that for great Jack Gordo, the first shot of a whole fucking movie. Like how perfect is that?

• 16:35Bill Simmons?

  With the music.

• 16:35Chris Ryan?

  And when it kicks in, yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:37Chris Ryan?

  You know, they, oh, go ahead.

• 16:38Bill Simmons?

  Well, the only other thing I had was about how you could have the best plan ever, but bad luck. I think the coin flip, they really tied that into the most.

• 16:46Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 16:46Bill Simmons?

  You just never know. Like Anton Chigurh kind of nailed everything. He's throwing a no hitter down the stretch there. And then he just gets hit by a car. And that's it.

• 16:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:56Bill Simmons?

  Now his bones sticking out of his arm and he just fucked up.

• 17:00Chris Ryan?

  They, when they make this movie, they're at the end of probably, or they're, they're sort of right at the end of one of my favorite runs in cinema history. They open first movie's Blood Simple, then they do Raising Arizona, Miller's Crossing, which is probably.

• 17:17Speaker 05

  Is that your favorite?

• 17:18Chris Ryan?

  It's top two with Blavatsky.

• 17:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:21Chris Ryan?

  Barton Fink, Hud Sucker Proxy. Hud Sucker Proxy, kind of a disappointment commercially because they had Newman in it, supposed to be this big movie. So they're like, oh, you know, what are they gonna, and they go and make this movie for $6 million.

• 17:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:34Chris Ryan?

  It's an Oscar winner. It's a pretty big success relative to its budget. And then after that, it's Lebowski and O Brother. And it's like, one of the great runs of direct, for directors, I think, in, in movies.

• 17:45Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 17:45Bill Simmons?

  I was a slow burn with Fargo. I, I think it's a classic rewatchables example of, I liked it, but then it was a jump into, you know, and, oh, oh, oh, oh, all right. And then all of a sudden, I was like, I get this movie. It took me, sometimes the movies don't sit perfectly in your brain for a while. And this one, No Country was the other one for me that I just never liked.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  That took a while?

• 18:10Bill Simmons?

  No, I never liked the ending initially.

• 18:12Speaker 05

  Oh, I didn't either. I still don't.

• 18:13Bill Simmons?

  And then as I got older, I was like, I fucking love the ending, man. Tommy Lee Jones, like, he just, he doesn't want to be out there anymore.

• 18:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. I feel like we deserved to see Llewellyn's death as it transpires.

• 18:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 05

  We spent two hours with the guy. I liked the guy.

• 18:27Chris Ryan?

  I know. It's a tough thing. It's like, the way, the way it is in the book and the way they shoot it, it's, it's, if we ever re-country, I would love to do it.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  The Coen has want to go to war for it. They don't like people disparaging the ending of No Country. I loved the movie. I, I wanted to see Llewellyn and how it, how it happened. I don't like that they took that.

• 18:43Bill Simmons?

  What's the type of movie that they didn't make that you always wish, wish they could have made?

• 18:48Speaker 05

  They made almost everything.

• 18:49Bill Simmons?

  Like, would you want to see their version of Roadhouse?

• 18:55Speaker 05

  They're gonna stand on the shoulders of Rowdy Harrington?

• 18:58Bill Simmons?

  Their take on the Double Deuce?

• 19:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would like to see that. Yeah, I think I would like to see that.

• 19:04Bill Simmons?

  Take on Cash? No, it really feels like they explored the studio space with all.

• 19:09Speaker 05

  The only thing I ever saw in the theater with my wife ever, we were just starting to date, and it was Burn After Reading. And, um, like, it blew both of our fucking minds. Like, we didn't know what we were watching. Like, really, really weird stuff. And there's a sex machine in that movie. And it's like, I, Brooke could hang with it. My wife, she was like, I thought that was funny. I was like, I'll marry. So I feel like the Coen brothers helped us out with that.

• 19:28Bill Simmons?

  One thing they're good at, that is underrated, is sex and violence is so mundane in their movies. Where even in this, when they cut there, it's just like that escort's riding Buscemi the second time.

• 19:39Chris Ryan?

  It's just so fucking good.

• 19:41Bill Simmons?

  What did she say to him?

• 19:42Speaker 05

  I hear bells.

• 19:46Speaker 05

  Dude's like Angelo Dundee in the corner. Come on now, throw the jab, throw the jab, and he's loving it.

• 19:51Chris Ryan?

  I've played a bit for Buscemi in What's Age the Best. It's almost a special Steve Buscemi category for me.

• 19:56Bill Simmons?

  Great. So Joel Cohen said about the William Macy character.

• 20:01Speaker 05

  I hear bells. What is that?

• 20:05Bill Simmons?

  I didn't know what sort of, there was some sort of role playing going on.

• 20:09Speaker 05

  I watched it on the planes today with subtitles on. I learned a lot of things I never knew before.

• 20:13Chris Ryan?

  Role playing between the escort from the Jose.

• 20:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the dialogue that made me think there was some extra thing going on.

• 20:20Chris Ryan?

  We can get to it. That's very funny. I didn't actually.

• 20:21Speaker 05

  I think she's really like in character doing something.

• 20:24Bill Simmons?

  So Joel Cohen said about the William Macy character. They found interesting his absolute incapacity for even one minute to project himself into the future so that he might evaluate the consequences of the decisions he's made. There's something fascinating about his total inability to gain any perspective. He's one of those people who build a pyramid, but never think for a minute about it crumbling. And this is like, this is every true crime documentary. These people who are just like, no, I'm one move away from, and then I can get away with this. And it just, they're just making it worse.

• 20:55Chris Ryan?

  I don't know if there's like a sort of super pathology that encompasses being addicted to something or being in incredible debt. But the way that every single thing is just like, I have to fucking put a Band-Aid on the gaping wound that I have so that I can then put my hand back here to stop the bleeding over here. And it's like the things that he doesn't care about at all are his wife and son. It's just the inversion of a real person.

• 21:21Bill Simmons?

  I know.

• 21:21Chris Ryan?

  Where he's just like, it's so incredible. And the fact that through all of that, he's still kind of selling cars.

• 21:27Speaker 05

  Definitely. He's moving product. He's the executive sales manager.

• 21:32Bill Simmons?

  Jerry Lundegaard, hadn't totally happened for our guy Bill Macy yet.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  No.

• 21:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, Manette stuff, right? Like.

• 21:39Bill Simmons?

  He tried out for a lesser role. I think he tried out as the cop who gets shot.

• 21:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:46Chris Ryan?

  I think he's a detective in it. Yeah.

• 21:47Bill Simmons?

  Or something, but he was in Mr. Holland's Opus the year before. He goes on this run of Fargo, Air Force One, and Boogie Nights all in a row. And by Boogie Nights, it's like, I love this guy.

• 21:58Speaker 05

  I know.

• 21:59Bill Simmons?

  And it's somewhere in here that he becomes Bill Macy. And then when you just see him, you knew it would be a good thing. But I don't, I don't think it 100% existed yet.

• 22:06Chris Ryan?

  When did?

• 22:07Bill Simmons?

  I have a huge background with him.

• 22:08Chris Ryan?

  When did Sports Night come on?

• 22:09Bill Simmons?

  Late 90s.

• 22:10Chris Ryan?

  Cause I always remember his end of Sports Night. That he does a one episode.

• 22:14Bill Simmons?

  He's married to Felicity Huffman.

• 22:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he does like a two episode or three episode arc. That's like, I'm gonna save Sports Night from the network or something like that.

• 22:22Bill Simmons?

  Favorite Bill Macy ever, or do you have something else?

• 22:24Speaker 05

  No, I mean, I, again, I just remember being in the theater being like, who the fuck is this person? He's like the best, this is the best actor I've ever seen in my life. And then afterwards, you know, he starts showing up with Harrison Ford in Air Force One. He's in Boogie Nights, my favorite movie of all time. My, my favorite part about Bill Macy in Boogie Nights is there's one part where Jerry Lender kind of comes out. And it's when he's on the driveway and he's like, my fucking wife has an ass in her cock in the driveway. I'm sorry, if my mind is not on the film machine, okay? And he goes that like, okay. It sounds just like Jerry Lindegaard. I was like, oh, that's Jerry. He came out. It kills me.

• 22:59Bill Simmons?

  Are you giving me shit, Kurt?

• 23:00Speaker 05

  No, no, not at all. It's just the cinematography of the film.

• 23:05Bill Simmons?

  That's my favorite Macy. What's your favorite Macy?

• 23:06Speaker 05

  Um.

• 23:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Little Bill's my favorite.

• 23:09Chris Ryan?

  I would just say that Macy doing Mamet is my favorite. So whether it's homicide or Spartan, or I just think he's, he's one of the best deliverers of those, of that dialogue.

• 23:20Bill Simmons?

  He has a nice little small parent part in Searching for Bobby Fischer.

• 23:23Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:24Bill Simmons?

  Something about his face, it's a one of a kind. It's funny because Buscemi's in this too, where it's just like these distinct faces that you can't compare to anybody else who's ever lived. Buscemi. I saw, I really thought about this. He's not that guy anymore by 96. He graduated because Reservoir Dogs, Mr. Pink.

• 23:45Bill Simmons?

  I think he's, he's not a that guy anymore after that, but he does have this run of Fargo, Escape from New York, Con Air and Lebowski. Somewhere in there, he's just Steve Buscemi.

• 23:53Chris Ryan?

  Escape from Los Angeles, right?

• 23:55Bill Simmons?

  Escape from Los Angeles, yeah.

• 23:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, like after 94, my whole world was Tarantino. And so I would just watch The Rest of Our Dogs over and over and over. So when you see this movie and he's doing like Mr. Pink adjacent.

• 24:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 05

  He's got a gun. He's fucking bleeding. He's mad. He's pissed off.

• 24:10Chris Ryan?

  What the fuck is wrong with you imbeciles?

• 24:11Speaker 05

  He's just so fucking mad. And I remember just telling my friends, I'm like, it's like Mr. Pink is back. He's so cool. I love it. I could watch Buscemi for an hour just screaming at that fucking TV. Just plug me into the ozone, baby, fucking shitbox, just over and over. I just love it. I can't get enough.

• 24:27Chris Ryan?

  It's like you can watch this movie and it's like Macy, Buscemi and McDormand can all be the lead character.

• 24:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're the big three.

• 24:35Chris Ryan?

  And I, I, I like found myself just like thinking everything Buscemi did in this movie was the funniest thing I had ever seen in my life. And the best, like he blew me away this last viewing.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:46Chris Ryan?

  McDormand, obviously, like basically like this is a career maker for her and she becomes like a pretty significant star after this.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  Hall of Famer.

• 24:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. But like this is like this time around, for some reason I was like mesmerized by Carl. I was like, this is so great.

• 25:00Bill Simmons?

  You know what made, made sense when I read this and the research that I'd never known before that they wrote this for Buscemi?

• 25:07Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 25:08Bill Simmons?

  When you hear stuff like that, and usually some of the best work is when the director, writer person is like, I have this person in my head. Every line I'm writing is for Buscemi. My favorite for him is still The Sopranos.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:21Bill Simmons?

  His whole run that he had where he, he just was in full command of, of he was full Buscemi at that point. But I think this is his best movie.

• 25:28Chris Ryan?

  Did you watch Boardwalk?

• 25:29Bill Simmons?

  Which one?

• 25:29Chris Ryan?

  Boardwalk Empire.

• 25:30Bill Simmons?

  I never got into it.

• 25:31Speaker 05

  I did.

• 25:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Did you like it?

• 25:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I did. We bailed after like three seasons.

• 25:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like it's pretty great in retrospect. Cause like, I was thinking about if Boardwalk was on now, it'd probably be like a top three show of the year.

• 25:42Bill Simmons?

  They should just release it and pretend it just came out.

• 25:44Chris Ryan?

  That's the thing is that like when these things pop up, whether it's like on other streaming services or whatever, like they'll get revival. And I'm like, damn, this is like really, really good.

• 25:52Speaker 05

  That was heyday HBO Sunday nights. Like you couldn't miss. I watched like three seasons. The greatest thing about his character Tony B in The Sopranos was like, he was really the only guy who would stand up to Tony.

• 26:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 05

  Tony and he he has this infamous scene where Tony's like brow beating him. He's like, you're crowding me like you're crowding me scene like back the fuck off. And that's why he was so cool. And then he just completely comes unhinged. Great character.

• 26:13Bill Simmons?

  Dan and I have talked about this, that I I still think that's the best stretch of The Sopranos.

• 26:17Speaker 05

  I think it is too. I just rewatched.

• 26:19Bill Simmons?

  Everyone is peak of their powers and they've just figured out the show.

• 26:22Chris Ryan?

  But it's still.

• 26:22Bill Simmons?

  They know exactly what to bring him in. It's just great stuff. And then McDorman, who's won three Oscars, all best actress and an Emmy and a Tony.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:32Chris Ryan?

  What she won an Emmy for? I forget.

• 26:34Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. It's in my research.

• 26:35Speaker 05

  No Grammy?

• 26:35Bill Simmons?

  And a Tony. Um, and she's won three best actor Oscars. And the only other person who knew that is D D L.

• 26:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:45Bill Simmons?

  Best research I could find for her. She once lived in an apartment with the Coen brothers, Sam Raimi and Holly Hunter.

• 26:50Chris Ryan?

  That's great.

• 26:52Bill Simmons?

  And somebody named Scott Spiegel, who's probably like, yeah, fuck.

• 26:55Speaker 05

  Scott Spiegel?

• 26:56Chris Ryan?

  I got the screenwriter.

• 26:57Bill Simmons?

  Scott Spiegel's like, I don't know what happened, but where's my Oscar? Cause Holly Hunter won for broadcast news. She won just five Oscars in the apartment, not to mention.

• 27:08Speaker 05

  That's a great blunt rotation too.

• 27:09Bill Simmons?

  But um, it's funny. My favorite for her is still Almost Famous, but she did not even.

• 27:15Chris Ryan?

  McDorman.

• 27:15Bill Simmons?

  And she didn't even, yeah, for McDorman. This is what's your favorite?

• 27:18Speaker 05

  At least all my favorites are coming up Fargo. Like this is my favorite Buscemi even more than Reservoir Dogs or anything.

• 27:23Bill Simmons?

  Wow.

• 27:24Speaker 05

  I I just think it's.

• 27:26Chris Ryan?

  Is it your favorite Stormer?

• 27:28Bill Simmons?

  See, that's that's a no for me too.

• 27:29Speaker 05

  That's a great question. Cause I mean, I have a feeling in a direction you might be going on that one, Bill. So I'm just gonna let.

• 27:35Bill Simmons?

  I'm an open book. People know.

• 27:37Speaker 05

  There's a character named Dino Belden.

• 27:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, people know where I'm gonna land.

• 27:41Speaker 05

  So it just got, it starts going like this.

• 27:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 27:44Speaker 05

  As great as as Stormer is in this movie, he's not directing snuff films. But yeah, I mean, it's it's my favorite all of that stuff.

• 27:51Bill Simmons?

  Stormer is like, what could be worse than the guy played in Fargo? What about the film director? I guess that could take it up.

• 27:58Speaker 05

  Film is real.

• 27:59Chris Ryan?

  But then they're still like, ah, we'll put him in Armageddon. It's he seems like.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  As a cosmonaut.

• 28:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Bill Simmons?

  So Frances McDorman, long career, was married to a.

• 28:09Chris Ryan?

  Joel.

• 28:09Bill Simmons?

  Joel.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:11Bill Simmons?

  And her three Oscars are not like major, it's weird. It's a weird.

• 28:14Speaker 05

  She's got three billboards.

• 28:16Bill Simmons?

  Three billboards and then North Country?

• 28:18Chris Ryan?

  Nomadland, right?

• 28:19Bill Simmons?

  Or Nomadland, yeah, yeah.

• 28:20Chris Ryan?

  Was it Nomadland?

• 28:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Nomadland, you're right.

• 28:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:23Bill Simmons?

  So it's not like she doesn't have her, I don't know, like your big market movie. They're all, this is probably the biggest one, right?

• 28:31Chris Ryan?

  I think that, yeah, she's.

• 28:32Bill Simmons?

  This made 60 million.

• 28:33Chris Ryan?

  She's got like Meryl Streep performances, but she never does like a Devil Wears Prada. Like there's not a top movie, there's not a Mystic River.

• 28:42Bill Simmons?

  Almost Famous is probably the closest.

• 28:43Speaker 05

  She doesn't do Mamma Mia.

• 28:45Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 28:46Speaker 05

  What's interesting about her too is McDormand, she's had huge gaps. Like she took a, like a seven year gap.

• 28:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 05

  Not long after this, I looked it up and it coincides with when they decided to adopt a child. So like she's just like, I'm gonna take seven years off.

• 28:58Chris Ryan?

  I don't think she's done a movie since Nomadland. I mean, I think she's doing the next, or maybe Macbeth with Denzel Washington. Then she has the next Joel Coen.

• 29:03Speaker 05

  It's a waiting project.

• 29:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:05Bill Simmons?

  She's on that rare list of actor where it's like they have something out and like, you have my attention.

• 29:11Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 29:12Bill Simmons?

  Which I think is probably a list of less than 10 people.

• 29:14Chris Ryan?

  It's Dee Ellis, you know, it's Streep.

• 29:16Bill Simmons?

  Streep's still on there for me.

• 29:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:18Bill Simmons?

  I think Hanks is not on there anymore.

• 29:20Speaker 05

  Hanks was off, yeah.

• 29:22Bill Simmons?

  I think Hanks is off. Cruise is off, like there's.

• 29:25Chris Ryan?

  Jeffrey Donovan who played Bottles in Shark Island.

• 29:30Bill Simmons?

  Shark, oh, ever the whole cast of Shark Island. I watched Shark Island last night, I was texting CR. It's just, it's, it might be my favorite movie of the last 10 years. Did Limitless come out in the last 10 years? Can't remember.

• 29:43Speaker 05

  By the way, McDormand also, Primal Fear, like in the fucking room.

• 29:47Chris Ryan?

  Incredible in Primal Fear.

• 29:48Speaker 05

  She's with the video camera, like just getting it, showing the stakes. I think she's great in that movie.

• 29:52Chris Ryan?

  She's also amazing in the Coen Brothers' first movie, in Blood Simple.

• 29:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:55Chris Ryan?

  She's.

• 29:56Bill Simmons?

  So this movie, she's pregnant, there's an innocence to her.

• 30:02Bill Simmons?

  There's some great fix, some of the best face acting. Even, she does some really good stuff in the, in the scene with her high school guy, Michael.

• 30:09Speaker 05

  The best.

• 30:10Bill Simmons?

  After he puts his arm around and then she makes him go back.

• 30:13Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 30:13Bill Simmons?

  And then she has that look on her face like.

• 30:17Bill Simmons?

  This is gonna go for another hour now and I just wanna like set myself on fire and she's kind of that like frozen smile trying to see.

• 30:25Chris Ryan?

  Everything she's doing is amazing.

• 30:26Speaker 05

  And when he says, I always liked you so much.

• 30:29Chris Ryan?

  Just down.

• 30:30Speaker 05

  And it's so Mike, should we do this another time? No, I'm just down again.

• 30:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:34Speaker 05

  Like it's, she's awesome in that scene.

• 30:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:37Bill Simmons?

  And then we have Stormar.

• 30:40Bill Simmons?

  Stormare.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  Stormare.

• 30:42Chris Ryan?

  Actually, I got him in, it's DeBansa, DeBansa.

• 30:45Bill Simmons?

  Can we give him the, um, Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award for excellence on screen smoking now.

• 30:50Speaker 05

  I just wanna hear you guys talk about him smoking. All right.

• 30:51Chris Ryan?

  This is one of the, the move that he does that is.

• 30:55Bill Simmons?

  It's so hard to do.

• 30:55Chris Ryan?

  There's levels, right?

• 30:57Speaker 05

  Go on.

• 30:57Chris Ryan?

  And when you get introduced to smoking, it starts and it's like you're at a bar and you're like, I smoke when I drink. And then you start smoking, maybe you take, start taking smoke breaks. You smoke with coffee. You go outside, you get a break from work. It goes up another level.

• 31:09Bill Simmons?

  This is a move when you start using these two fingers instead of this. That's like a graduation.

• 31:14Chris Ryan?

  But when it goes up another level is when you either have a roommate or a partner who's like, we can smoke inside. Then it's a new world. The final level is when you smoke inside of a car with the windows rolled up.

• 31:26Speaker 05

  Unbelievable.

• 31:27Chris Ryan?

  That's when you've given up. You are like, I'm just gonna be a full tumor. I don't care. We're never gonna let this smoke out.

• 31:34Bill Simmons?

  Only an elevator can top it.

• 31:35Chris Ryan?

  Exactly. And it's like Peter Stormare in this movie and Dustin Hoffman in All the President's Men.

• 31:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 31:41Chris Ryan?

  Are the two guys who are like, I will smoke in the Pope's face in a closed locker somewhere. I don't care.

• 31:48Bill Simmons?

  And he's doing something with the, you don't see it often with the lit cigarette where only the tail end is in his mouth.

• 31:54Chris Ryan?

  It's right at the bottom lip hanging off.

• 31:56Bill Simmons?

  It always seems like it's gonna fall over and it's not. And it's just, he's not even really smoking it and the smoke's just going into his eyes.

• 32:02Chris Ryan?

  He cups it and the all time.

• 32:04Bill Simmons?

  And then it goes through the nose every time.

• 32:05Chris Ryan?

  Is when he flicks it out the window when he's going after the two witnesses and he's just like. Boom, and you're like, oh, man.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  No shit.

• 32:12Chris Ryan?

  This, that's such a great little gesture.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  It's a great, as, can I say something as a smoking prude? Like, I just, um, the, the double nostril blow is always really cool to me. Like, that's like a reverse dunk or something.

• 32:22Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 32:22Speaker 05

  I was just watching one battle after another, and Leo's doing them constantly down on the table.

• 32:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's the De Niro Goodfellas slo-mo shot. It's like, he just blows it out like a dragon. It's amazing.

• 32:32Speaker 05

  If I start smoking, I'm gonna do a lot of those. I just, I've always thought that was cool since I was a kid.

• 32:35Chris Ryan?

  It's never too late, Kyle.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  Definitely not. It's too late for the pod.

• 32:38Bill Simmons?

  Still got time. Stormare, he, he actually uses it almost, it's almost like a lollipop. He's like Kojak.

• 32:44Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 32:45Bill Simmons?

  Just kind of dangling from his mouth at all times. It's amazing. Um, as I, as I said, I love him and Dino Velva, but IMDb credits.

• 32:55Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 32:56Bill Simmons?

  If I gave you Stormare, Stormar, Stormare, Buscemi, Macy, who do you think is one, two, three for most acting credits?

• 33:04Chris Ryan?

  Most?

• 33:04Bill Simmons?

  Most.

• 33:05Chris Ryan?

  Number one.

• 33:07Speaker 05

  I think Stormare has done a shitload of voiceover, and if we consider that acting, I would say that. But otherwise, I'll say Macy is, Macy has the most.

• 33:15Chris Ryan?

  Well, Macy, I feel like, did like 10 years of Shameless.

• 33:17Bill Simmons?

  Give me some, give me some, uh, give me some numbers. Give me your one, two, three.

• 33:21Chris Ryan?

  I think Stormare is like showing up in like prestige TV shows for like two episodes still, like, I mean.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  So he's three digits.

• 33:27Bill Simmons?

  Give me a total number.

• 33:28Chris Ryan?

  Eighty.

• 33:29Speaker 05

  No, I'm gonna say like 135 for Stormare.

• 33:31Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for Buscemi?

• 33:34Chris Ryan?

  Fifty.

• 33:35Speaker 05

  Uh, seventy.

• 33:37Bill Simmons?

  How about Macy?

• 33:39Speaker 05

  A hundred and five.

• 33:40Bill Simmons?

  Final standings, Macy, 158.

• 33:43Speaker 05

  Holy shit. Way to go, Bill.

• 33:44Bill Simmons?

  Buscemi, 199.

• 33:46Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 33:46Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 33:47Bill Simmons?

  Stormare, 231.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  Let's go. That's, that's, I've never seen this sequel.

• 33:53Chris Ryan?

  Do you need someone of Eastern European or Russian background to show up and be menacing for, um, an episode? I'll do it.

• 34:01Bill Simmons?

  They were like John Wick 2. He's like, no more.

• 34:04Chris Ryan?

  I saw there was an interview with Joel Kidman I saw recently.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  Joel Kidman?

• 34:08Chris Ryan?

  And he was like.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  Swedish too, right?

• 34:10Chris Ryan?

  He's like, the thing is, I bought a house in Malibu and now I gotta pay for it. So I'll, he's like, I'm available. Yeah. And I was like, I wonder if that's Stormare. Like, I wonder what his house is. And he's like, I will do CSI if it must.

• 34:22Bill Simmons?

  Well, I think when you're banging out, like, like Dino Velvet's like four scenes. So that you're probably in the set for like five days, six days. So you can basically go from.

• 34:31Chris Ryan?

  Sure. You can go from Dino Velvet right into, you know.

• 34:34Speaker 05

  Did you see in the research that Stormare has a band?

• 34:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  Blonde from Fargo.

• 34:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:39Speaker 05

  That's what it's called. And I'm like, I, I listened to some Blonde from Fargo music on the plane. So I had a quick.

• 34:45Chris Ryan?

  Metal, hard rock? What is it?

• 34:47Speaker 05

  Folk, folky. He plays guitar and sings though. Like it's.

• 34:50Chris Ryan?

  Beautiful.

• 34:50Speaker 05

  I thought it was very, very, very cool.

• 34:52Bill Simmons?

  We're gonna take a break and then we gotta talk about Roger Dinkins.

• 34:55Speaker 05

  Right, yeah.

• 34:57Bill Simmons?

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• 35:38Bill Simmons?

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• 36:13Chris Ryan?

  He is.

• 36:13Bill Simmons?

  What's, what's your rankings with, you should do, release the power rankings like we do Ringer 100.

• 36:17Chris Ryan?

  Well, we did this on Big Pick a while ago. We did the Deakins Hall of Fame. I would say my favorite thing by him is probably still assassination of Jesse James by a coward Robert Ford. Just in terms of like his cinematography in that movie.

• 36:29Bill Simmons?

  So put him against Great Shot Gordo and everyone else. Is he in Mount Rushmore for you?

• 36:33Chris Ryan?

  Oh, he's definitely top, top five or six. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. He's like Vittorio Storaro and Gordon Willis and yeah, William Fraker and Haskell Wechsler, but like, yeah, he's incredible.

• 36:47Bill Simmons?

  Kyle, he used an Airflex 35 BL4 camera for this in case you were keeping notes at home.

• 36:52Chris Ryan?

  Did Dino Velvet use a similar?

• 36:54Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if he did. One thing I noticed the second time I watched this, um, by the way, great 4K Blu-ray.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 37:02Chris Ryan?

  Awesome.

• 37:04Bill Simmons?

  Everything is white, the whole movie. And I, and I, I don't know if they did this, then they're geniuses, but it all leads to the wood chipper where everything's red. And it's like, it's white, white, white, white, white, white. And then boom, wood chipper, red everywhere. It's almost like the shining elevator. And I wonder like if they talk, I don't, I don't know how.

• 37:22Chris Ryan?

  They've talked a little bit about how difficult, first of all, Deakins, the one day the sun came out when they were shooting, he was furious because he was like, this is breaking like.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  Is there a sunny scene like?

• 37:32Chris Ryan?

  I don't, he probably masked it.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:34Chris Ryan?

  Maybe at the dealership.

• 37:35Speaker 05

  It looks a little sunny because there's a lot of natural light in those scenes.

• 37:38Chris Ryan?

  They talked a lot about problems with like shooting the horizon because the snow and the white sky was so much that you couldn't tell where the like land was done and the sky began. But I think it actually contributes to the feeling like you're on another planet when you're watching it.

• 37:50Bill Simmons?

  Wide shots, white. It's one of these movies that just in your brain, you can see different scenes. I don't even know how we do Great Shot Gordo for this movie.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  That's why my selection is just the opening shot because it's just a fucking white out. And then a minute later, Lundegaard drives right past your ear and it's, it, it's like hitting a 40 foot three to start the game. It's the first possession.

• 38:10Chris Ryan?

  I have a couple of nominees for Gordo, but the thing is, is that like the shot as they like kind of push in, or when they even first just like, they didn't move the camera that much.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  Right.

• 38:18Chris Ryan?

  But the lighting and the way that you're introduced to Carl and Garrett that, at the bar, was at the King of Clubs.

• 38:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:24Chris Ryan?

  You're just like, I know exactly where I am. I know exactly what kind of dudes these are. They have six beers. They've killed in an hour already. Like, like, let's go.

• 38:32Speaker 05

  I know.

• 38:33Bill Simmons?

  I had this for later, but could you have lived in this part of the country? And for how long?

• 38:38Chris Ryan?

  I'd be a raging alcoholic if I did. Like then.

• 38:41Bill Simmons?

  Cause I gotta say that bar, the King of Clubs.

• 38:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:44Bill Simmons?

  In my twenties.

• 38:44Speaker 05

  In Fargo?

• 38:45Bill Simmons?

  I would have been like, this is great. We're going here every night.

• 38:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:47Bill Simmons?

  They got three pool tables.

• 38:49Speaker 05

  Long necks, jukebox.

• 38:50Bill Simmons?

  Escorts. Sounds awesome.

• 38:52Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 38:52Chris Ryan?

  Do you know what? I, Jacobi told me a really amazing story about going to a bar with Bill, I think in Charleston. I, sometime during Grayland or a while ago, and like, I don't know if you used to bartend there or just used to go there, but you hadn't been there in like years.

• 39:08Bill Simmons?

  It was, yeah, it was in Faneuil Hall.

• 39:09Chris Ryan?

  And you walk, Bill walks in with Jacobi and the bartender just like, looks up and it goes like, what'll it be, Billy? After like years away.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  That's what you want.

• 39:19Bill Simmons?

  That was in Charlestown, yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 05

  Where everybody knows your name.

• 39:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  What was it that you wanted to?

• 39:24Bill Simmons?

  I mean, it explains a lot of my twenties.

• 39:29Bill Simmons?

  I think I could have made it maybe two years without, then the weather would have driven me nuts.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  Well, also, if it was back in the eighties, like, there's not even any Timberwolves or anything. Like, that's, you know what I'm saying? The Vikings teams weren't great.

• 39:42Bill Simmons?

  Gophers are really important.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  Really important.

• 39:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, obviously.

• 39:46Bill Simmons?

  But even like. That guy didn't even have a ticket first. Jerry.

• 39:49Speaker 05

  You kidding?

• 39:50Bill Simmons?

  But what?

• 39:50Speaker 05

  He's insulted that he would even ask if he had an extra college hockey game.

• 39:54Bill Simmons?

  Two Oscar, two Oscar wins for McDormand in the screenplay. Big shot Raj did not get an Oscar.

• 40:00Chris Ryan?

  Unbelievable.

• 40:01Speaker 05

  It was pretty good.

• 40:04Bill Simmons?

  Seven nominations, including the director. They did the thing where it was just Joel directing, even though both of them directed. And then I think at some point, they just, they just did so much good work. People were like, all right, fine.

• 40:15Speaker 05

  Who cares?

• 40:16Bill Simmons?

  You can be both of you.

• 40:19Bill Simmons?

  They always have this editor named Rodrick James.

• 40:22Chris Ryan?

  It's them.

• 40:23Bill Simmons?

  That's them?

• 40:24Speaker 05

  That's their name.

• 40:25Bill Simmons?

  When they got nominated?

• 40:25Chris Ryan?

  That's their pseudonym for.

• 40:26Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I think I read that. So they have a little group name for themselves to edit?

• 40:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's, Soderbergh does this with, uh, it's Peter Andrews, what he shoots his movies, but the cinematography.

• 40:36Bill Simmons?

  What would be your editor pseudonym?

• 40:37Chris Ryan?

  Dino Velvet.

• 40:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 40:40Chris Ryan?

  But it would be like.

• 40:41Speaker 05

  Mine would just be Machine.

• 40:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Machine.

• 40:45Bill Simmons?

  So they don't went for best directing and they don't went for best picture because English Patient takes both. And it's an interesting best picture because Fargo, Jerry Maguire, Secrets and Lies and Shine, English Patient wins. I don't know if English Patient's winning that one a second time.

• 41:00Chris Ryan?

  It's a great movie, but it was, that was Weinsteined out, I think.

• 41:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 41:04Speaker 05

  You know what's funny about that Oscars? I have a funny, that's the 69th Academy Awards.

• 41:08Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  Dustin Hoffman, I remember, walks out and he goes, the 69th Academy Awards, 69. And he looks down and goes, Jack is smiling. And they go to Nick, he's got this big shitting grin on his face. I like a little 69 every once in a while. What a curve.

• 41:24Chris Ryan?

  Oh my god.

• 41:25Bill Simmons?

  Different times.

• 41:26Speaker 05

  That was what they did. I remember vividly, I was 18.

• 41:31Bill Simmons?

  Best Actress, McDormand wins.

• 41:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:33Bill Simmons?

  Beats Brenda Blethlin.

• 41:35Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:36Bill Simmons?

  Diane Keaton, Kristen Scott Thomas and Emily Watson.

• 41:39Speaker 05

  That's a nice crew.

• 41:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And then Macy loses for supporting to Cuba Gooding.

• 41:46Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 41:47Bill Simmons?

  Also, Ed Norton loses that year in Primal Fear.

• 41:50Speaker 05

  I also think this is the la, it's, it's the last year before they expanded to more nominees, or the first year when it was like 10 best picture nominees. Like it was right on the edge.

• 41:59Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I thought that.

• 42:00Bill Simmons?

  There was still five.

• 42:01Chris Ryan?

  It was still five until 08 because they changed it for Dark Knight.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. All right.

• 42:06Bill Simmons?

  Macy, I think should have gone for best actor.

• 42:09Chris Ryan?

  AWI for best supporting?

• 42:10Bill Simmons?

  I think they put him best supporting, but I, I think he should have been.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  And who did he lose to? He lost to?

• 42:14Bill Simmons?

  He lost to Cuba.

• 42:15Speaker 05

  Brad Tidwell.

• 42:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  Do you feel good about that? I mean, Tidwell's great.

• 42:18Bill Simmons?

  I think, I think he's incredible in that. Other people think it's a horrifying win in that we should redo it. Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 05

  The Cuba win?

• 42:24Bill Simmons?

  It's a polarizing win.

• 42:25Chris Ryan?

  It's, it's also a testament. I think Macy in Fargo has stood the test of time. I mean, it's like he didn't get the, the statue, but I think a lot of people are like.

• 42:32Bill Simmons?

  It'd be an interesting redo because I don't think.

• 42:36Bill Simmons?

  I don't think Macy loses thirty years later.

• 42:39Speaker 05

  It would have been a significantly different acceptance speech.

• 42:40Bill Simmons?

  But you also have the history of Macy, the last thirty years of work too, so who knows?

• 42:45Speaker 05

  That might have felt like, I don't know, Macy just showed up in movies like, we're gonna hand it to him right now. And who knows, Cuba put his time in a little bit.

• 42:51Bill Simmons?

  Tidwell was a really, I love the Tidwell character. And that's probably my single favorite sports movie character.

• 42:57Chris Ryan?

  Is that the only one that McGuire won?

• 42:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 43:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:00Speaker 05

  By the way, I believe that he was a professional wide receiver. Like, that's very hard to do.

• 43:04Bill Simmons?

  Plus, we got Kush right behind you.

• 43:05Speaker 05

  Kush slash, wow, that's Kush right there.

• 43:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, SMU jersey.

• 43:09Bill Simmons?

  Cameron Crowe, that was his contribution to the studio. There's only three of them.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Did Kush go to SMU? How the hell, I guess they paid him.

• 43:17Bill Simmons?

  Seven million dollar budget, made sixty point six.

• 43:19Chris Ryan?

  Where would Kush have gone in NIL is a great, great conversation.

• 43:22Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, at Georgia, I guess, at SC.

• 43:25Bill Simmons?

  So, made sixty point six million, released in VHS, Laser, DVD, Blu-ray, and 4K Blu-ray. The Fab Five.

• 43:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Bill Simmons?

  All five of them. Inspired the TV series that CR mentioned. And then Siskel and Ebert together said best movie of ninety six.

• 43:41Speaker 05

  Fucking A.

• 43:41Chris Ryan?

  They, they had the criteria orgasm when they reviewed this on their show. They were just like, this is why we go to the movies.

• 43:49Bill Simmons?

  They did, they did a lot of like that.

• 43:50Speaker 05

  I felt the same way. They're right.

• 43:51Bill Simmons?

  You could see Sean just lifting their shtick thirty years later. Lot of like movie celebration stuff. Sean's like, these guys could get me. Ebert, four stars. It rotates its story through satire, comedy, suspense, and violence until it emerges as one of the best films I've ever seen. Films like Fargo are why I love the movies.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  You mentioned that the DVD and all that. They also had this really fucking cool thing. When I was a senior in high school, I worked at the movie store in the mall. Like, I worked at Suncoast Motion Picture Company. And Fargo released this special version of the VHS where you would get a snow globe with a dead body in it.

• 44:30Bill Simmons?

  I remember that.

• 44:31Speaker 05

  And it was like the hottest fucking item to get. And we had people lining up before the store would open and we had to like stock them. And they would all be gone in ten minutes. And I remember I got one and it was the coolest souvenir. It's like a bloody dead body, like the guy in the red coat. I don't.

• 44:44Bill Simmons?

  That would be a good.

• 44:45Speaker 05

  It's an awesome snow globe though.

• 44:46Bill Simmons?

  That'd be good for the memorabilia thing later.

• 44:48Chris Ryan?

  Let's see, throw your weight around out there on eBay.

• 44:51Bill Simmons?

  Well, one other thing with the releases. This was, this is a what's age the worst for this movie that they did the, it's shot really wide.

• 44:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:00Bill Simmons?

  And when it was on cable for years and years with the square TVs, the pain and scan, it was really bad.

• 45:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:05Bill Simmons?

  It really like hurt the movie from a rewatchability.

• 45:08Chris Ryan?

  This is, you feel like you're watching like Warrents of Arabia sometimes.

• 45:10Bill Simmons?

  Minnesota, yeah. Uh, all right, let's do the categories. Most rewatchable scene. We mentioned the opening credits. Jerry meets the kidnappers at King of Clubs. The most North Dakota dive bar possible. It seems amazing.

• 45:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:24Bill Simmons?

  Like they, they encourage you to smoke inside of King Clubs.

• 45:28Chris Ryan?

  I think you have to do it to stay warm.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  Excuse me, you're not smoking, sir. Can you please leave?

• 45:31Bill Simmons?

  Excuse me, sir. You haven't smoked in an hour.

• 45:35Chris Ryan?

  Almost every scene that those guys are in, there's like seven empty beer bottles, like somewhere in the shot.

• 45:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:42Chris Ryan?

  Like even when they have Jean kidnapped, like at the safe house, there's like tons of dead soldiers lying around.

• 45:48Speaker 05

  I have a zag for this.

• 45:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:50Speaker 05

  I had it in my picking bits. I think it's a little bit of a hacky way that director show someone's drunk, that there's like six empty, I think any proud tavern, someone clears those bottles.

• 46:00Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 46:00Speaker 05

  I think it is, is a little transparent. They do the same thing in Zodiac with those blue glasses when Downey and Billy got fucked up.

• 46:07Chris Ryan?

  Like, yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 05

  Someone comes and gets those glasses. I think it is a little bit of a hacky way to show someone's drunk.

• 46:10Chris Ryan?

  You may be overestimating the staffing of the King of Clubs. King of Clubs might have one guy, he's behind the bar and he cleans up once.

• 46:20Speaker 05

  This is what I wanted in response. I like it.

• 46:22Bill Simmons?

  And the waitress was also an escort.

• 46:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:23Bill Simmons?

  So she better had to just sleep for a half hour.

• 46:26Chris Ryan?

  She's at the blue eyes.

• 46:26Bill Simmons?

  That little room for her. Yeah, kidnapping scene. I love, she's knitting, she's watching some 80's game show.

• 46:33Chris Ryan?

  She's like watching Wake Up Minneapolis.

• 46:35Speaker 05

  They're making holladazzle eggs in the, in the show.

• 46:37Chris Ryan?

  It's also the fucking funniest thing in this movie might be them being like, and we're doing a riverboat cruise of the Nile this year. So you guys gotta sign up for that. I'm like, what? Can you fucking imagine going to Egypt based on a morning show being like, we're doing a group tour of the Nile? And like, it's such a perfect little throwaway bit.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  Where do you think the accommodations are on that trip?

• 46:58Chris Ryan?

  I don't know, but it also is like so much of this stuff, cause they're from Minnesota, it must be shit that happened to them or something they show on TV.

• 47:05Bill Simmons?

  The other movie that jumped into this was Young Adult, which is a movie that is very popular in the Simmons house with Shelley's. It's a Jason Raiman movie. She goes back home for her high school reunion. But she's still in love with Patrick Wilson. But it really ties into this whole kind of Minnesota, how just weird everybody is there.

• 47:25Speaker 05

  Well, also so trusting, like the strangest part of the home break in is that Carl comes up like looking like he went to Spirit Halloween and got home intruder costume like with a crowbar and and she just stands there watching him for a long time until he breaks the glass and then all shit breaks loose. Like you'd be losing your shit way before that.

• 47:40Chris Ryan?

  I can't believe this is happening. Yeah.

• 47:42Speaker 05

  What is she doing?

• 47:43Bill Simmons?

  So kidnapping scene, her face is great. It's a really like all of a sudden super, we're like, oh shit, we're doing this. I mean, this could be, what's our award for this?

• 47:52Speaker 05

  Dan Campbell.

• 47:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the Dan Campbell.

• 47:54Speaker 05

  Holy shit, motherfucker. That was fourth and 19.

• 47:57Bill Simmons?

  The shower curtains is good.

• 47:58Speaker 05

  She's really good in that scene. She seems completely terrified.

• 48:02Bill Simmons?

  What kind of finder's fee are you looking for?

• 48:05Chris Ryan?

  We're not a bank, Jerry.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  One of my favorite.

• 48:08Bill Simmons?

  What a terrible plan, by the way. What did you just think they were gonna give him $750,000?

• 48:12Speaker 05

  The dynamic here where Jerry has set off this felony abduction of his wife and it's like, oh shit, I might get some money. I have to call it off.

• 48:20Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 48:21Speaker 05

  Is so clumsy and so stupid. It reminds me of like when I lose something around the house. Like, ah, fuck. And I order on Amazon for 60 bucks and then I find it and I go to try to cancel the order on Amazon. I'm like, no, it's too late. It's already shipped. God damn it. Except it's the abduction of his wife. It's so sloppy and so idiotic that he does that. And then it messes that up on top of it. I love that scene with Stan.

• 48:40Bill Simmons?

  I'm putting the three together of this scene, him flipping out in the ice scraper is the next scene.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 48:45Bill Simmons?

  And then him coming home and rehearsing the phone call in the kitchen. It's all in a row.

• 48:49Chris Ryan?

  I love how penetratingly cold it is, is always in the background of this movie, the ice scraping.

• 48:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:54Chris Ryan?

  She needs her car to get a jump from Norm when she first leaves the house, like.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  That's Midwest living.

• 48:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:59Speaker 05

  I love the.

• 49:00Bill Simmons?

  Well, you just came from that.

• 49:01Speaker 05

  Just came from it.

• 49:02Bill Simmons?

  We're recording this right after the blizzard.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  Second one of the winter, two feet, all that shit. The first thing Jerry does when he enters King of Clubs is something he does like six times in this movie where when he walks into a room, he goes like this. He passes the speed a few times and like, that's Midwest living. The scrape off on the thing that is so relatable. Someone's gotten on the car and like, god damn it, I have to scrape the fucking windshield. And then he has his crash out, which is just so well acted and so relatable. I love it.

• 49:27Bill Simmons?

  The criminals killed a cop and two innocent bystanders.

• 49:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is big.

• 49:31Bill Simmons?

  Just keep it still lady, or else we're gonna have to, you know, shoot ya.

• 49:35Speaker 05

  Laugh out loud in the theater. Hilarious.

• 49:38Bill Simmons?

  Really good unexpected murder followed by the, oh daddy.

• 49:42Chris Ryan?

  Also, the Coens love a headshot.

• 49:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Chris Ryan?

  That was a good headshot. This is like, it's always like, whoa, like it really stops you in your tracks.

• 49:50Bill Simmons?

  Big time. I, slight nitpick, I don't know enough about shooting somebody from two feet away.

• 49:55Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 49:55Bill Simmons?

  But Marvin in Pulp Fiction, like his head basically explodes.

• 49:59Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 50:00Bill Simmons?

  Would your head explode from that close, or would it just be the divot?

• 50:03Chris Ryan?

  I think it's, enough happens to Carl over the course of the movie that I think like, he eventually like, like he suffers from some like random shot, shots and stuff like that. So.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:14Bill Simmons?

  Marge, this is a quick one, but Marge interviewing the two escorts kills me.

• 50:18Speaker 05

  Fantastic.

• 50:19Chris Ryan?

  Chaska.

• 50:20Bill Simmons?

  He's not circumcised.

• 50:22Chris Ryan?

  Funny little fella.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  The running joke of Buscemi being funny looking in a way they can't describe, that reminds me, you said they wrote it for him. Like they're writing those lines about how funny looking he is.

• 50:31Chris Ryan?

  And you get that script, you're like, oh man, the Coen brothers wrote me apart. This is great. Oh.

• 50:35Speaker 05

  And everyone's just how weird I look.

• 50:36Bill Simmons?

  I was wondering how that would feel if you're reading that. You're like, ah, fuck.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Tough.

• 50:41Bill Simmons?

  They, they're like, we wrote this for you, Steve. You're Carl.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  Even the prostitutes say how weird looking you are. Yeah, the whole movie.

• 50:48Chris Ryan?

  The great thing about the, um, the hooker scene is also, sorry, the escort scene or whatever, is, uh, Frances McDormand has talked about how it's just written that way in the script down to the, oh, yeah, like, like, right, all the punctuation. It's like, so can you imagine those two brothers sitting there and then goes, and then the one hooker says this, and the other hooker says that, and then Francis says this. It's so funny to imagine them coming up with this.

• 51:11Bill Simmons?

  We didn't, I meant to do this at the top, but we didn't talk about the accents and how that kind of shaped how this movie was, consumed in 1996. Cause it was kind of like an accents movie and in a way, it seemed like it was going to work against McDormand in the Oscars.

• 51:27Chris Ryan?

  I actually had this for what was the most 1996 part of this movie is that. It's not necessarily the last time, but it is a time in America where different regions felt far away and culturally very different. And in the sense that like now,

• 51:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting, because we don't have.

• 51:46Chris Ryan?

  You can be like, I could find out like what the three best pizza places are in Minneapolis, St. Paul, like right now on Instagram and like watch people eat slices.

• 51:53Bill Simmons?

  You could go in the King of Clubs Instagram.

• 51:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:57Bill Simmons?

  Be like, guys, it's smoking night.

• 51:58Speaker 05

  I know.

• 51:59Bill Simmons?

  Bring your own cigarettes.

• 52:00Chris Ryan?

  This felt like when you were like, is this what it's like here? Like, is this what Minnesota is like and what North Dakota is like?

• 52:06Bill Simmons?

  It's such an important point because I felt like in the seventies, eighties and nineties, the only way I knew where what anything was like was in TV or movies.

• 52:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:15Bill Simmons?

  Like, I didn't know what like San Diego was like.

• 52:17Speaker 05

  Not a chance.

• 52:18Bill Simmons?

  Or Denver. How would you know? Beverly Hills, right?

• 52:21Chris Ryan?

  You'd see a movie set in Florida Keys and you're like, this might as well be set on Jupiter. Like, this doesn't look like anything I've ever seen in my life.

• 52:27Bill Simmons?

  And then how cool the show or the movie was in the location shaped, like to me, Miami was the coolest city we had just because of Miami Vice.

• 52:36Chris Ryan?

  You go to Miami, you're like, oh, okay.

• 52:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's like, all right, it's fine. I had Buscemi braiding the parking lot guy. I have Shep beating up Buscemi. Let's smoke a fucking peace pipe.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  He has to get that in there, doesn't he? He's so proud with that, that line about the peace pipe.

• 52:54Bill Simmons?

  I have the father-in-law getting killed just because it's, it's shocking. I got a real whoa from my son. No G, no money.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  Who the fuck are you? That the last couple of scenes Buscemi has, as an actor, you could just hear the coincidence. I'm like, you're done. You can't take anymore. I want you at a 10 out of 10. It's the phone call with Jerry.

• 53:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  After he gets beat up by Shep. And then when he shows up and Wade gets out of that car, it is 100 out of 100 Buscemi. I'm not fucking around anymore.

• 53:21Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  He looks like, like a crazed dog and it's that pure, perfect Buscemi.

• 53:26Chris Ryan?

  Fucking paper towel.

• 53:28Speaker 05

  I'm gonna kill you, I'm gonna shoot you, and he does. He's such a psychopath.

• 53:31Bill Simmons?

  And he could do it in any movie, including one of my favorites, which we're considering for From Helma, domestic disturbance with Vince Vaughn and John Travolta. Steve Buscemi plays, get this, a scumbag who comes into Vince Vaughn's life.

• 53:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:44Bill Simmons?

  But he just, he can break it out whenever he wants. I only have a couple more. I have the Eklund and Swedlund's guy. So I'm tending bar there at Eckelen's last Tuesday. That whole speech, it's just, he just rips off a monologue in a monotone.

• 53:57Chris Ryan?

  And he's just like doing the ice and snow off of his driveway before more snow comes and hits it again. Yeah.

• 54:02Bill Simmons?

  And I say, what kind of action? And he says, woman action. What do I look like? And I say, what do I look like? I don't arrange that kind of thing.

• 54:08Speaker 05

  Are you calling me a jerk? Last guy who called me a jerk is dead now and I know him from old age.

• 54:14Bill Simmons?

  I think this might be my favorite scene.

• 54:16Speaker 05

  It's a great scene.

• 54:17Bill Simmons?

  I fucking love this scene.

• 54:18Speaker 05

  So do I. And it's that weird like deputy in the SUV who has two scenes and then it's driveway guy.

• 54:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:24Speaker 05

  Can I, I think this is as good a time as any because it relates to the accent. I wrote down the, the five most Fargo people in Fargo.

• 54:30Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah, let's hear it.

• 54:31Speaker 05

  Like just the accent, the everything. All right, at five, I have Jerry's manager at Gustafson Auto who's watching the Gophers game. You kidding? You named him already. And number four, I have the female cashier at the diner.

• 54:43Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:43Speaker 05

  How was everything today? And Jerry's like, how are you doing? It's a huge laugh in the theater.

• 54:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:48Speaker 05

  And number three, I got driveway guy going crazy out there at the lake guy who's just kind of just sweeping his wet driveway with the hood up and everything, going crazy out there at the lake. And number two, I have our girl, the blonde escort from went to White Bear High School, go Bears. And then I think number one, we haven't mentioned him yet. I mean, Lou, Lou, the, the officer with Margie. All right, Margie. That, I mean, that guy is like a thousand on the scale. He is by far.

• 55:14Bill Simmons?

  He's in the concussion protocol.

• 55:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, yes, that guy. Hey, Norm, how the painin's going?

• 55:19Bill Simmons?

  Brought you some coffee.

• 55:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, that guy. You all right? He's the one who thought that was, the plate was DLR and then it was killed.

• 55:25Bill Simmons?

  He's so stupid.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  I really agree with you. Police work there, Lou. He's the most Fargo guy in Fargo.

• 55:30Bill Simmons?

  That's a good list.

• 55:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, thank you.

• 55:31Bill Simmons?

  I'm trying to think if I would add anyone, but I think you hit everybody.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  A lot of fun ones.

• 55:34Bill Simmons?

  Oh, you, I think you hit the basics. Marge goes to see Jerry a second time.

• 55:41Bill Simmons?

  We talked about the Mike scene already. The wood chipper scene into the drive, which was an all time.

• 55:47Chris Ryan?

  It's ax to the head.

• 55:48Bill Simmons?

  Holy shit, we're doing this. Well, all of a sudden, we hear the wood chipper in the back.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  For a long time.

• 55:53Bill Simmons?

  We have our pregnant hero, who has not been in any danger at all.

• 55:56Speaker 05

  And there's no backup.

• 55:57Bill Simmons?

  In this movie and just has a gun.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:59Bill Simmons?

  And she's creeping around and we know it's gonna be bad. And I'm prepared for anything at this point from Fargo, the first time I see it. Like, are they just gonna shoot her in the stomach?

• 56:07Chris Ryan?

  All the deaths are so abrupt in this movie.

• 56:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:09Chris Ryan?

  And it just, it gives you that sense of like, kind of, not the pointlessness, but how fleeting and we're just like bags of meat out here. And like, anything can happen to you in any way. We've followed Carl throughout this whole movie, being like, oh, is he gonna get away with it? Is he gonna get this?

• 56:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 56:26Chris Ryan?

  And fuck, he just gets hit in the head with an axe.

• 56:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:29Chris Ryan?

  And thrown in a wood chipper. That's what life does.

• 56:31Bill Simmons?

  And then I have the three cent stamp, which I really like as an ending.

• 56:34Speaker 05

  That's a cute ending.

• 56:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:36Speaker 05

  I think that the second scene, we only get two with Margie and Jerry, is unbelievable acting by the both of them. Where Jerry does the, ma'am, I answered your question.

• 56:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm, I'm cooperating here. And she gets real pissed off.

• 56:50Bill Simmons?

  What does she say? He gets?

• 56:51Speaker 05

  You have no call to get snippy with me.

• 56:53Chris Ryan?

  Snippy with me?

• 56:53Speaker 05

  It's the only time Marge gets mad in the whole movie. And like, she's just super steely.

• 56:57Chris Ryan?

  When he, when he runs off and she's like, he's fleeing the interview.

• 57:00Speaker 05

  And she's kicking an outside line on the fucking phone. That scene's amazing.

• 57:04Bill Simmons?

  So you have Mike as your favorite scene?

• 57:06Speaker 05

  Mike Yanagida scene is my favorite scene. It's preempted by the Mike Yanagida phone call at 10:45.

• 57:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 05

  Once they establish who they are, there's this get, and then he goes, so how the heck are you? When they walk in and they go for that hug and Mike goes, oh, you look great.

• 57:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 05

  It's like, oh, Mayday, Mayday, get the fuck out of there.

• 57:29Bill Simmons?

  Say, careful.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  Everything about that scene, I'm gonna talk about it later as well, is, it makes me so happy.

• 57:34Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 57:35Chris Ryan?

  I, I think just for filmmaking purposes, it's the triple homicide in the highway.

• 57:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 57:40Chris Ryan?

  Because.

• 57:40Speaker 05

  Outstanding.

• 57:41Chris Ryan?

  You're like, oh, they got pulled over. I wonder how this is gonna work out. And you're like, that's not how I thought it was gonna work out. That also features one of my favorite, there are two shots that basically talk to each other. It's the shot of the two witnesses driving by slowly and they're like.

• 57:53Bill Simmons?

  Yep.

• 57:54Chris Ryan?

  And then it also happens when Macy goes out of the parking garage and he goes past the attendant who's been killed. So I just find that the entire movie jumps up and not.

• 58:04Speaker 05

  I think Stormare for most of the movie up to now is just like comatose. And then he snaps.

• 58:09Chris Ryan?

  He's like, I'll kill three people for nothing, you know?

• 58:11Speaker 05

  And it's that shot you talked about where finally he's driving, first time he's ever driving and the flick and he's driving with the gun. And you're like, he's Satan. He's gonna kill.

• 58:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And then, and then like he's chasing them and then their car lights disappear. Just great.

• 58:23Speaker 05

  It's so cool. I love this.

• 58:25Bill Simmons?

  I think that's the answer, but I think my favorite is still the guy's monologue.

• 58:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:30Bill Simmons?

  The.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  Yanagida.

• 58:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Doesn't use the word jerk. He calls me a jerk.

• 58:35Chris Ryan?

  Oh, the guy on the.

• 58:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 58:39Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 1987 or 1996 thing about this movie? You can go either. Movie set 1987.

• 58:44Speaker 05

  For 87, Scotty Lundegaard's got a Whitesnake poster over his bed. And 87 is the year that that album came out and Here I Go Again was all, I mean, that's 87, March of 87.

• 58:56Bill Simmons?

  I didn't even notice that.

• 58:56Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Oh, right over his bed.

• 58:58Bill Simmons?

  Holy shit. I didn't notice it either. I noticed the accordion poster.

• 59:01Speaker 05

  Well, we'll get to that.

• 59:01Chris Ryan?

  Is it Tony Catane or is it just a?

• 59:05Speaker 05

  No, it's, I think it's like the album cover.

• 59:07Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 59:07Speaker 05

  But like that.

• 59:08Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, one of the foremost important music video performances.

• 59:11Chris Ryan?

  Here I go again.

• 59:12Speaker 05

  On the car. Yeah.

• 59:13Bill Simmons?

  The tonic contain.

• 59:13Speaker 05

  That is 87.

• 59:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 05

  And so Scotty.

• 59:16Bill Simmons?

  That's great.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  This, that's 87. The 96 for me is just what we've already talked about that. You could just say this was a true story and then we'll just believe it because they can't research it. It's like they.

• 59:25Bill Simmons?

  Oh, good point.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  They like, uh, they Blair witched us kind of like, like this is real. Just trust us. All right. And it's not.

• 59:30Chris Ryan?

  People are probably like looking at microfiches, trying to find like.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  In the library?

• 59:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Minneapolis Tribune. Uh, the only other one I had for 96 about this movie is, uh, six million dollar budget, 60 million dollar but box office. That's, that's the dream.

• 59:45Bill Simmons?

  That's a huge win.

• 59:45Chris Ryan?

  A 10x return on a modestly budgeted movie that you have creative control over that winds up becoming.

• 59:51Bill Simmons?

  Raj and Jean just hugging each other in the theater. That's really all you want.

• 59:54Chris Ryan?

  And us three nimrods in a, in a room 30 years later being like, yep, that's the best.

• 59:59Speaker 05

  Perfect movie, man. Perfect.

• 1:00:01Bill Simmons?

  I had no ring cameras because we just catch everyone immediately.

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I thought about that a lot.

• 1:00:05Bill Simmons?

  I have faxing stuff. I have low-life criminals having sex in the same room in two double beds and then watching The Tonight Show?

• 1:00:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:13Speaker 05

  All right, so Bill, I had this-

• 1:00:14Bill Simmons?

  What would be the show now?

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  I don't Fallon? I had this underpicking this-

• 1:00:19Bill Simmons?

  Nobody wants to watch Jimmy Fallon after having sex.

• 1:00:21Speaker 05

  Would you and another guy-

• 1:00:23Chris Ryan?

  They're watching SVP.

• 1:00:23Speaker 05

  Oh, you're watching SVP? He's doing bad beats.

• 1:00:26Chris Ryan?

  I think Scott Van Pelt's gonna interview Lamar after this game.

• 1:00:31Speaker 05

  Shout out to Scott, great job. Would you and another guy who you barely know be in the same room in two queen beds at the same time? Come on now.

• 1:00:40Chris Ryan?

  It depends on how many times he's been to King of Clubs.

• 1:00:45Speaker 05

  I've never, never, I can't imagine. Wouldn't you at least go out for burgers and then come take a turn?

• 1:00:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:00:52Bill Simmons?

  I've been in, I've been in this situation.

• 1:00:54Chris Ryan?

  Have you?

• 1:00:54Bill Simmons?

  Not all the way through.

• 1:00:56Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:00:56Bill Simmons?

  But there's a moment when somebody's got to-

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  Get out of there.

• 1:01:00Bill Simmons?

  Get it and go to a different place.

• 1:01:02Chris Ryan?

  Taps out.

• 1:01:02Speaker 05

  It's also weird, like, you're both doing it at the same time, like, inevitably one finishes, is it a competition? Then you're going, they're stopping.

• 1:01:08Chris Ryan?

  It's really, Carl also is like watching Garrett, it's really funny.

• 1:01:11Bill Simmons?

  Well, there are two separate things. One is, would you want to be in the situation? Two is, would you want to be in the situation with either of those two guys in the other double bed? And the answer is a strong no.

• 1:01:22Chris Ryan?

  It's so funny that they're like, they're doing a ransom deal, but they're also like, we're keeping expenses low.

• 1:01:30Chris Ryan?

  Two girls, one room.

• 1:01:31Speaker 05

  He doesn't want to pay the four bucks for that parking.

• 1:01:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  How do you think they decided who had which girl? Like, I found that a lot.

• 1:01:37Bill Simmons?

  They both had type.

• 1:01:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Bill Simmons?

  Their type was particularly a knockout, I would say.

• 1:01:44Bill Simmons?

  The most 1987 thing about this movie.

• 1:01:46Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:01:46Bill Simmons?

  We did not mention yet. It's a Playboy in the bathroom reading rack.

• 1:01:51Bill Simmons?

  When she's, when she's in the bathroom, the wife, as she's getting kidnapped, they have a rack of magazines-

• 1:01:56Chris Ryan?

  Jerry has a Playboy?

• 1:01:57Bill Simmons?

  Including Playboy magazine.

• 1:01:59Chris Ryan?

  Maybe it's just for the interviews.

• 1:02:00Bill Simmons?

  Magazine rack.

• 1:02:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 05

  That goes against type, I don't see him as that.

• 1:02:03Bill Simmons?

  That was, when 1987, it was realistic.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  Definitely. Scotty must have loved that, too. That's huge.

• 1:02:10Bill Simmons?

  What's age the best? We've mentioned a couple of things already.

• 1:02:12Chris Ryan?

  I can do my run of Steve Buscemi here if you want.

• 1:02:15Speaker 05

  Oh, let's go.

• 1:02:15Chris Ryan?

  So, what's age the best? Steve Buscemi 90's scumbag. Test Tube, the drug purity guy from King of New York.

• 1:02:24Chris Ryan?

  Mink from Miller's Crossing, Mr. Pink from Reservoir Dogs, Mr. Sh from Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead, and Carl from Fargo.

• 1:02:32Bill Simmons?

  Just all in a row.

• 1:02:33Chris Ryan?

  Just an app, not in a row, but just throughout that decade, just played a fucking crazy scumbag.

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  Who do you think was the scummiest of all of them? If you had like your number one.

• 1:02:42Bill Simmons?

  I mean, honestly, probably this one.

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  This guy's tough.

• 1:02:44Chris Ryan?

  I would not want to spend a night with Test Tube from King of New York. It's, that's the, um, that's the like, go get me my Coca-Cola scene with Laurence Fishburne. Remember that?

• 1:02:54Speaker 05

  Carl's kind of pleasant, like he's trying to make conversation about the road, like he's a sort of human, you know?

• 1:02:58Bill Simmons?

  Trying to do a podcast.

• 1:02:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, for a free, yeah.

• 1:03:01Chris Ryan?

  Steve Buscemi with a woman riding him on top is just really funny and it's aged the best. And the idea of Joel and Ethan being like, what if this guy just really likes chicks on top? That's so good.

• 1:03:11Bill Simmons?

  Just porn search.

• 1:03:12Chris Ryan?

  He's never on top.

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  It's true.

• 1:03:16Chris Ryan?

  And Steve Buscemi being described as little and funny looking by multiple characters. And then the crowning achievement is definitely Carl taking a hooker to a Jose Feliciano concert.

• 1:03:26Speaker 05

  I love this scene.

• 1:03:26Chris Ryan?

  Jose Feliciano, got no complaints. Telling her he's in town on business, but just a little of the old In-N-Out.

• 1:03:37Chris Ryan?

  Before asking her if she's been to the celebrity room before. And then he asks her if she finds being an escort interesting.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  What are you talking about?

• 1:03:47Bill Simmons?

  And she has this look on her face the whole time that's intentional where she's just like.

• 1:03:52Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:03:52Bill Simmons?

  Like they told her like, can you make an uglier face? No, no, make it uglier.

• 1:03:56Speaker 05

  Do one more time, make it much uglier.

• 1:03:57Bill Simmons?

  Have your chin into your neck. Yeah, that's it.

• 1:04:00Chris Ryan?

  The best thing is when he's just like, waiter, the guy just fucking blasts him.

• 1:04:06Speaker 05

  And she says she's never been there because it's nice. You know, she's been with a client before.

• 1:04:10Bill Simmons?

  Another one's aged about, well, we didn't mention the score, which was great, but, uh, in every scene they're in together, Marge and Norm are either lying in bed or eating.

• 1:04:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Bill Simmons?

  They have no other interactions. We don't even see them like watching TV in the living room. It's just they're in bed or at a table.

• 1:04:25Chris Ryan?

  She's like at night, like she's got the chips in between the two of them.

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  Sleeping with food.

• 1:04:30Bill Simmons?

  That's tough.

• 1:04:31Speaker 05

  The, the scene with them at that buffet, Jesus Christ.

• 1:04:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's an incredible moment.

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  They both are three plates deep. Now she's deeply pregnant.

• 1:04:40Bill Simmons?

  Big plates, like plates you do in college when you have need for 24 hours.

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  It's fucking lunch too.

• 1:04:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Even dinner.

• 1:04:47Chris Ryan?

  This is the thing that I was thinking about. The two, two sides of this. One is he brings her Arby's.

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Chris Ryan?

  Which I was trying to think of like the last time in my life that life worked in a way where my wife would bring me my lunch and we would hang out at my work at all. And then the other side of it was just like the amount of calories you're hitting.

• 1:05:05Speaker 05

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 1:05:05Chris Ryan?

  At noon.

• 1:05:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Chris Ryan?

  And like what happens to your body.

• 1:05:08Bill Simmons?

  Swedish meatballs alone is like 2500 calories.

• 1:05:11Chris Ryan?

  So much chicken fricassee and, and like.

• 1:05:13Speaker 05

  Like that's a cream stew.

• 1:05:15Bill Simmons?

  I actually had all this.

• 1:05:16Speaker 05

  World War III dude.

• 1:05:17Bill Simmons?

  I had all this written down.

• 1:05:19Speaker 05

  That's gonna be a terrible afternoon.

• 1:05:21Bill Simmons?

  Cause obviously this is the big Kahuna burger award winner for best food to drink. The buffet.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  Oh, good.

• 1:05:26Bill Simmons?

  Chicken and dumplings, chicken fricassee, fried toro and broiled toro.

• 1:05:30Chris Ryan?

  Is this like a cod?

• 1:05:32Bill Simmons?

  That's the only five things. There's more. Cause there's like potatoes and.

• 1:05:36Speaker 05

  She got a whole bowl of Jell-O.

• 1:05:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's all kinds of shit in that buffet. It was like the fat buffet. Everything's high calorie.

• 1:05:42Chris Ryan?

  The, the torte or the, what, what are you talking about?

• 1:05:44Bill Simmons?

  It's some sort of Minnesota fish that's really smelly apparently.

• 1:05:47Speaker 05

  Okay, I, this led me, I struggled a lot in this movie with good hang. Like I, hard, like who I would wanna hang with.

• 1:05:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  And I was like, I think it might be Norm.

• 1:05:59Bill Simmons?

  It's Norm by default, but Norm's not necessarily a good hang.

• 1:06:01Chris Ryan?

  I think good hang, bad hang is pretty easy.

• 1:06:03Speaker 05

  Norm.

• 1:06:04Bill Simmons?

  We know that hangs.

• 1:06:06Chris Ryan?

  Carl's the good hang, Gare's the bad hang. I would love to take a road trip with Carl.

• 1:06:10Bill Simmons?

  King of clubs?

• 1:06:11Chris Ryan?

  Get his, get his thoughts on Montana.

• 1:06:13Speaker 05

  Knows where the escorts are? Yeah, I guess so. There's a good side of him. I just had to find a hard time landing on Norm. Just too boring and like, when I watch him eat that lunch, like Jesus Christ.

• 1:06:23Chris Ryan?

  He's a loving man.

• 1:06:24Bill Simmons?

  He only gets locked in one time when she says he's got, she's going to Minnesota and he's like, Minnesota?

• 1:06:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:30Bill Simmons?

  That's the only time he's even like leaning forward. A couple more would say he's the best. I like movies where there's the loser's son-in-law with the wealthy father-in-law.

• 1:06:40Speaker 05

  This is great.

• 1:06:41Bill Simmons?

  And the guy's just shitting on him in all these different ways.

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  He hates Jerry.

• 1:06:45Bill Simmons?

  And he's like, at some point, he's like, well, I don't want to want Gene and Scotty to worry. And the guy's like, Gene and Scotty never have to worry.

• 1:06:52Speaker 05

  It's the coldest line in the movie.

• 1:06:53Bill Simmons?

  Such a great line. Fucking just cuts his jugular.

• 1:06:55Speaker 05

  This could work out real good for me and Gene and Scotty. And he just slashes his throat. Like you said, he fucking hates Jerry. And the scene in the diner where Jerry's trying to be like, this is my deal. Wait, no way. You don't know. Like he, oh my God, he hates him.

• 1:07:08Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna do all this stuff to Zoe's husband. If I don't like whoever she marries, I'm gonna turn into this guy.

• 1:07:14Chris Ryan?

  Zoe's gonna be fine.

• 1:07:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Zoe and Ben will be fine.

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  I had this on Unanswerable Questions, like, what is it like if you hate your son-in-law? It must be really bad.

• 1:07:21Bill Simmons?

  Pretty tough.

• 1:07:22Chris Ryan?

  What would the son-in-law would be what pitching you on like a player podcast that you had to do? He's like, no, look, Bill, this is my deal, okay?

• 1:07:29Speaker 05

  This could work out real good for me and Zoe.

• 1:07:31Chris Ryan?

  Her cousin feeds his own pod.

• 1:07:32Bill Simmons?

  People think players podcasts are done. They're coming back. The Minnesota snapshot we get here of the Paul Bunyan statue, the accent, college hockey, crap bars, motels, buffets, bar girls, kind of sort of escorts. True coat being really important for your car.

• 1:07:53Speaker 05

  God, that's a great scene.

• 1:07:54Bill Simmons?

  It's just a really good slice of life.

• 1:07:55Speaker 05

  We didn't even mention that scene.

• 1:07:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  See, that's that scene with that guy pissed about the true coat. I love it.

• 1:08:00Chris Ryan?

  I think it's Ethan Cohen says that is verbatim something that happened to him.

• 1:08:04Speaker 05

  Really?

• 1:08:04Chris Ryan?

  Is like coming down to be like, all right, we finally agreed on a price. And he's like, I fucking slipped the true coat charge on you right under the last second.

• 1:08:11Speaker 05

  And they get it in.

• 1:08:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cuz he's like, I don't have my car anymore. And now I'm down here in the middle of the winter. Give me the goddamn thing. Yeah.

• 1:08:17Speaker 05

  The guy in the scene so badly doesn't want to swear and he goes, you fucking liar. And he's like, the wife's like, all right, calm down, calm down.

• 1:08:25Chris Ryan?

  Jerry being like, I gotta talk to my boss, but yeah.

• 1:08:27Speaker 05

  He says he can knock a hundred dollars off that true coat. And guy, that scene's great.

• 1:08:31Bill Simmons?

  I also have the accent stuff, which we talked about, but I think my favorite one is, "You're darn tootin'!"

• 1:08:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  Oh, it's fantastic.

• 1:08:38Bill Simmons?

  I don't know how you even write that.

• 1:08:40Chris Ryan?

  Where do you guys think, this is an unanswerable questions, but just because of an accent thing, do you think Carl's supposed to be from Minnesota or is he from out of town?

• 1:08:47Speaker 05

  All right, so he knows a lot about Minnesota, including like where to get laid.

• 1:08:50Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna say outside.

• 1:08:50Speaker 05

  He knows all about the Glass ICS building. I think he's from the Midwest, not necessarily from Minneapolis. I think he's from the Midwest.

• 1:08:56Chris Ryan?

  Okay, because he's like, oh daddy, when that guy gets shot in his lap.

• 1:09:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a weird thing to say.

• 1:09:01Chris Ryan?

  And he's just like, it's a weird thing to say. He also like, seems pissed at Jerry and Wade and people to be like, you guys are so annoying, like how nice you are. You think you're big time.

• 1:09:11Speaker 05

  What the heck you mean? Oh, it's so good.

• 1:09:13Bill Simmons?

  So you think it's possibly from like Sacramento?

• 1:09:15Chris Ryan?

  I don't think it's from California because he seems pretty used to the northern winds, but like I can see him from being like Peoria or Joliet or something.

• 1:09:22Bill Simmons?

  Do you have any what's aged the best?

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  Of all the, the, the language things, I like ending a phone call with, "Real good then," and hanging up. That's how they say goodbye in the accent, including the best part is when Carl's saying, "I'm gonna shoot you and your wife and all your little fucking kids in the back of the fucking head. Be there." And Jerry goes, "All right, real good then." And throws up like, I, I love ending a phone call that way, throwing the phone down like that.

• 1:09:44Bill Simmons?

  One more break and then we'll do the rest of the categories.

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• 1:10:17Bill Simmons?

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• 1:10:51Bill Simmons?

  All right. Great shot, Gordo. We did it.

• 1:10:53Chris Ryan?

  Got a couple. Paul Bunyan towering over the night sky.

• 1:10:56Bill Simmons?

  Hmm, scary.

• 1:10:56Chris Ryan?

  Looks a lot like Gare. Uh, the innocent couple driving by of state trooper's murder scene. Jerry going by past the parking attendant. That's sort of like them sort of going into danger that way is really great.

• 1:11:09Bill Simmons?

  I got opening scene.

• 1:11:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:11Bill Simmons?

  Ches Rockwell Brocklanders were best character name. Would you go Marge Gunderson or Jerry Lundegaard?

• 1:11:16Speaker 05

  I, I would go Shep Proudfoot.

• 1:11:18Bill Simmons?

  Shep Proudfoot?

• 1:11:19Chris Ryan?

  Shep Proudfoot's great.

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  And it's, it's even great when that little deputy comes in, he goes, Shep Proudfoot, that's a name. Like they, they actually acknowledge how cool the name is. And when Marge says Mr. Proudfoot, it just sounds awesome.

• 1:11:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 1:11:30Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for, uh, flex category here?

• 1:11:32Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:11:33Bill Simmons?

  I don't have the kid cut it because we didn't really have a needle drop in this movie.

• 1:11:36Chris Ryan?

  We did my, we did Sean Penn brought my own pack. I had the Rick Chichetti guard meat award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential. But we probably had a spouse and kids who loved us.

• 1:11:47Bill Simmons?

  Great.

• 1:11:47Chris Ryan?

  For the state trooper who gets top of the headshot.

• 1:11:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I mean, you could also go for the poor parking garage guy.

• 1:11:52Chris Ryan?

  Sure. There's a lot of like.

• 1:11:54Bill Simmons?

  Or you could go for the two kids who were just driving by and just trying to get away and they fucking flipped their car.

• 1:12:00Chris Ryan?

  They could have just called this movie Guard Meat.

• 1:12:06Chris Ryan?

  Otherwise it's Sean Penn. I brought my own pack award for Stormer.

• 1:12:08Speaker 05

  The, the state trooper is a great trooper too. He picks up on the bullshit and sees the tags.

• 1:12:13Chris Ryan?

  Here's the, here's the.

• 1:12:13Bill Simmons?

  Well, he shows the driver's license and only shows his picture and he doesn't even show.

• 1:12:18Chris Ryan?

  He's trying to pay him off.

• 1:12:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. I mean, he's got the 50 hanging out about the top and.

• 1:12:21Chris Ryan?

  He's like, I'll just pay for it here in Brainerd.

• 1:12:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. Want to be in compliance.

• 1:12:26Bill Simmons?

  Butch's girlfriend award weak link of the film.

• 1:12:29Speaker 05

  This is tough.

• 1:12:30Chris Ryan?

  Is there one?

• 1:12:31Bill Simmons?

  I think people would put in Mike Yanagida.

• 1:12:34Chris Ryan?

  Then they're not watching the same movie, isn't it?

• 1:12:35Speaker 05

  No, I mean, they're in the same language.

• 1:12:36Bill Simmons?

  I think that's an important scene. I don't have a weak link.

• 1:12:39Speaker 05

  I, I think the only weak link could be if you're someone who is really turned off by graphic violence, like the wood chipper. I'm not that person.

• 1:12:46Chris Ryan?

  That's good.

• 1:12:46Speaker 05

  You know, like if, if, like, I don't know if my wife would like the state trooper scene and she might be like, I don't like that movie because of that, but.

• 1:12:51Chris Ryan?

  Or if it's too flippant, if there's something about the violence that doesn't feel like, wait, we have to sit with this.

• 1:12:56Speaker 05

  I mean, it's, it's so well shot.

• 1:12:57Bill Simmons?

  I have a weak link that's really a picky nit, but it could, you could talk yourself into it. Like Scotty's just not curious enough of where's mom?

• 1:13:07Chris Ryan?

  He's a teenager.

• 1:13:09Bill Simmons?

  I know, but I was trying to think of my own son, if my wife just disappeared out of nowhere. How many days before he would have been like, hey, where's mom? What the fuck's going on? And why are you on the phone all the time? I think, I just think kids are a little more perceptive than-

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  He asked like, are you gonna call the cops? Are you gonna call Stan? And like, he's nervous for sure.

• 1:13:27Bill Simmons?

  I think the kid calls the cops. At some point, the kid's like, my mom's gone. I want, I need to tell the police.

• 1:13:34Speaker 05

  Cause he says to his dad, like, we should call the cops. And he's like, no, like, he's, he really like puts the-

• 1:13:39Bill Simmons?

  The whole part about not calling the cops is a borderline weak link.

• 1:13:42Chris Ryan?

  It's a very, I think it's a very compressed amount of time, too. I don't think it's like a week and a half of them like kicking around, really.

• 1:13:48Bill Simmons?

  One of the lessons of this movie, call the fucking cops.

• 1:13:50Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:13:51Bill Simmons?

  That was the father-in-law's mistake. He's like, no, no, we can't bring them in here.

• 1:13:55Chris Ryan?

  And Scotty, maybe be nicer to your mom, because you never know when she's gonna get kidnapped.

• 1:13:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, true.

• 1:13:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Bill Simmons?

  Come on, Scotty. Uh, what's aged the worst? We mentioned how they did the Blair Witch move. That was really all I had for what's aged the worst, because it just seems dopey now, because you would just Google and be like, this didn't happen. Why did these fucking guys do this?

• 1:14:13Chris Ryan?

  I think as a character who has aged the worst, if you went into the future in the fictional world of Fargo, it would be Scotty, totally fucking orphaned, but-

• 1:14:22Bill Simmons?

  Terrible.

• 1:14:22Chris Ryan?

  Probably a multimillionaire, because he-

• 1:14:24Speaker 05

  He's in Wade's estate.

• 1:14:25Chris Ryan?

  Inheriting Wade's estate. Yeah, so now he's running parking lots in all of Brainerd, I guess.

• 1:14:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, his mom's murdered, his grandpa's murdered.

• 1:14:32Chris Ryan?

  Very dark guy. I would love to see Fargo two, just the Scotty Chronicles.

• 1:14:35Bill Simmons?

  That's the guy.

• 1:14:36Chris Ryan?

  Maybe he buys the Minnesota Wild, you know, like-

• 1:14:41Speaker 05

  That's good.

• 1:14:41Bill Simmons?

  Bought in with Glenn Taylor and the T-Wolves.

• 1:14:43Chris Ryan?

  I guess the only other thing that's aged the worst is, I personally don't really see a lot of hot buffets getting, getting used up recently anymore. Do you?

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  I see them at the supermarket. Our supermarket has a hot food buffet. It'll be like a sweet and sour shrimp, and then like ears of corn.

• 1:14:58Chris Ryan?

  It's always interesting.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Chris Ryan?

  But then I, I just always think twice about it.

• 1:15:02Bill Simmons?

  I think middle America, it's still going.

• 1:15:04Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  There's a big spit guard factor there.

• 1:15:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Speaker 05

  It's very communal.

• 1:15:08Chris Ryan?

  Even, okay, put it this way, smorgasbord style, like, it's all

• 1:15:13Speaker 05

  That's a gross word.

• 1:15:14Chris Ryan?

  4,500 calories.

• 1:15:15Speaker 05

  Per scoop.

• 1:15:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  My age, the worst, was really jarring watching this. Do you guys now, like, do you sleep with your phone on your bedside table? Or is it away from where you sleep?

• 1:15:24Chris Ryan?

  It's, it's pretty close.

• 1:15:25Bill Simmons?

  I, I, I flagrantly don't listen to all the evidence not to put your phone near where you sleep. I haven't, like, within reach.

• 1:15:35Speaker 05

  I've done the work and it's like in another room. Margie being woken up by that phone next to her fucking face with an actual functional bell inside it, like, in the middle of the night, like, I, I wonder if, like, when Ben watched this, he's like, holy shit, like, that phone is so loud.

• 1:15:47Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my god, yeah.

• 1:15:48Speaker 05

  And you don't even know who's calling. It could be an ex murderer, it could be some weirdo from high school. The fact that she just is picking this up in the middle of the night, like, I used to do that, of course.

• 1:15:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Speaker 05

  Because I was alive for that, but that's aged terribly.

• 1:15:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  At least I lived that way.

• 1:16:00Chris Ryan?

  Not being able to turn your ringer off, but also see who called. It's crazy.

• 1:16:03Speaker 05

  And if you took the phone off the hook, and it, it, it would be

• 1:16:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, she's probably one of, you know, a dozen cops in, like, a certain area in Brainerd, so she's gotta have the phone on.

• 1:16:11Bill Simmons?

  The buffet for lunch was a good call, C R, as a Woodstage the worst.

• 1:16:15Speaker 05

  When you said smorgasbord, my mouth dried up a little bit.

• 1:16:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's just like, I just, I, I just very rarely come across somebody who's like, I gotta hit this chicken fricassee and meatballs before I get back to the afternoon part of my job.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  Get some potato salad, dude.

• 1:16:27Bill Simmons?

  When I worked for Kimmel Show, we used to have, like, we'd write, we'd have this big lunch that they would cater every day.

• 1:16:33Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:16:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:33Bill Simmons?

  They'd bring in, like, Italian, and people would be like, oh, we should get Thai today, or Zanku chicken, and get all this food, and we would all, like, overeat. And then it's like, all right, time to write jokes, and we'd all be like,

• 1:16:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:43Bill Simmons?

  Like, all right.

• 1:16:44Chris Ryan?

  You don't even eat, like, before we do a live show, like, it'll be 8 P M.

• 1:16:48Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah, I won't eat for, like, five hours, four.

• 1:16:49Chris Ryan?

  Pure hot water.

• 1:16:50Bill Simmons?

  So then, I was like, we gotta stop eating so heavy before we do jo, like, we should get healthier stuff. Everybody was so fucking mad at me.

• 1:16:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:58Bill Simmons?

  It's like, fucking Simmons, dude, East Coast shit. Wanted to get salads. Fuck you. Like, they wanted sandwiches and that stuff. But I was thinking about that when I was watching that buffet of just eating a Swedish meatball.

• 1:17:11Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:17:12Bill Simmons?

  At 12:30 in the afternoon. I wouldn't be able to function after that. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. We'll do Stormar, I guess, for this.

• 1:17:20Chris Ryan?

  How would you rank the villains in this movie, though? Is Jerry the most evil person in this movie?

• 1:17:26Bill Simmons?

  Hmm. I had this in Unanswerable Questions. Is he the worst person in the movie?

• 1:17:30Speaker 05

  He does the most evil thing.

• 1:17:31Bill Simmons?

  I actually think he is, because he doesn't care about his son at all.

• 1:17:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Bill Simmons?

  He has stuff to actually care about and doesn't. His wife and his son, he's just there fucking disposable for some weird play.

• 1:17:40Speaker 05

  Stormare is just like a sociopath. He doesn't feel anything. But I think Lundegaard is the most despicable character by far.

• 1:17:46Chris Ryan?

  So in some ways, he's like the biggest villain in the movie.

• 1:17:48Bill Simmons?

  So what ranking would you give him?

• 1:17:51Chris Ryan?

  I'd have like zero to Gruber.

• 1:17:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like an eight?

• 1:17:54Speaker 05

  He's also the biggest pussy because...

• 1:17:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'd give him more of a Simon Gruber, like a little bit below a Simon Gruber. Oh, Simon Gruber. Like a seven, eight. Yeah.

• 1:18:00Speaker 05

  He, like, in, they call him out in the first scene. He won't even ask his wife or the father-in-law for the money.

• 1:18:05Chris Ryan?

  Oh, when they, when they catch him in the hotel room and he's just like, ah.

• 1:18:08Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Isn't that great?

• 1:18:09Chris Ryan?

  Screaming like a baby. Yeah.

• 1:18:10Bill Simmons?

  No. He's fresh fish in prison.

• 1:18:12Speaker 05

  How do you think Lundegaard's gonna do in prison?

• 1:18:14Chris Ryan?

  Fargo two, shock collar.

• 1:18:16Speaker 05

  Lundegaard's done. Jesus, Lundegaard in prison, it'd be a five-second movie.

• 1:18:19Bill Simmons?

  He's not making friends with the skinheads to try to survive. He's just getting killed.

• 1:18:24Bill Simmons?

  Ruffalo Hannah Ribbick Partridge over acting award. I didn't have anybody for this.

• 1:18:27Chris Ryan?

  It's hard to give it to this movie because everybody's...

• 1:18:28Speaker 05

  That guy's so good.

• 1:18:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  I mean, you want to give it to Yanagida? No. Like, he's spectacular.

• 1:18:33Chris Ryan?

  He's nailing it.

• 1:18:34Speaker 05

  Proudfoot goes for it, like, but he's supposed to. You know, it's...

• 1:18:38Bill Simmons?

  Proudfoot may be the closest.

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:41Speaker 05

  You motherfucker!

• 1:18:43Bill Simmons?

  You have a flex category, Kyle.

• 1:18:45Speaker 05

  All right, flex category.

• 1:18:48Speaker 05

  I'm gonna do the, uh, the Will Campbell Award for a character you know is weighing over his head and is gonna mess it up for the rest of the movie. No, I just made that up.

• 1:18:56Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God!

• 1:18:58Speaker 05

  I haven't seen Bill since the Super Bowl, so I wanted to hit him with some Super Bowl.

• 1:19:02Chris Ryan?

  Will Campbell Award for the character with the shortest arms?

• 1:19:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:05Bill Simmons?

  I felt like I got shot in the face like Carl.

• 1:19:07Speaker 05

  There's an actor you know is not up to the task with the rest of the cast. No, I don't have that.

• 1:19:11Bill Simmons?

  Does he have a torn FCL?

• 1:19:12Speaker 05

  Allegedly.

• 1:19:13Bill Simmons?

  Allegedly.

• 1:19:13Speaker 05

  No, I, um, I have Billy Bat's Award for the most biting and scalable, uh, insult.

• 1:19:20Speaker 05

  The scene with him pulling up to that, the parking ticket.

• 1:19:22Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God. Your clip on tie.

• 1:19:25Speaker 05

  Here we go. Uh, I suppose you think you're an authority figure. That stupid fucking tie and uniform, huh, big guy? King clip on tie there, big fucking man? If these the limits of your life, pal, rule your little fucking gate here. Here's your $4, you pathetic piece of shit. God, isn't that erotic? And this guy, you see that shot of his smile just fading and just stupid bad teeth and everything. It's, it's, and then as, as there's this part where that scene changes where he goes, "I just pulled in here." And then he has this, "I just fucking pulled in here." And then the guy starts honking.

• 1:19:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:58Speaker 05

  That scene is so relatable. Like, we've all been at that gate and be like, "Do I really have to pay the $4?"

• 1:20:03Chris Ryan?

  And he even tries to like, kind of reach out to him where he's like, "I've decided not to go on my trip."

• 1:20:07Speaker 05

  Turns out.

• 1:20:07Chris Ryan?

  It's not even like, "I'm deciding not to park. I'm not even flying where I thought I was gonna fly."

• 1:20:11Speaker 05

  Still have to pay the $4.

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:20:13Speaker 05

  You fucking kidding me? Oh, God, I love that part. And it's an amazing put down.

• 1:20:16Chris Ryan?

  That was a good one.

• 1:20:17Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:20:17Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harris' support hottest take award. What'd you have, CR?

• 1:20:21Chris Ryan?

  Uh, we alluded to this a little bit in our opening conversation, but this movie is in direct conversation with No Country For Old Men. And I think, you know, you have the bag of money, the character in over their head.

• 1:20:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:32Chris Ryan?

  Sacrificial wife and a cop who is trying to make sense of the extreme violence that they come across. I thought it was amazing that Marge's last lines, basically, is like, so that was Mr. Lundergard. Uh, that was Mrs. Lundergard over there on the floor. And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper. And those three people in Brainerd, and for what? "For a little bit of money. There's more to life than a little money, you know? Don't you know that? And here you are, it's a beautiful day. Well, I don't understand it." And then Ed Tom Bell, Tommy Lee Jones in No Country, just goes, "The crime you see now, it's hard to even take its measure. It's not that I'm afraid of it. I always knew you had to be willing to die to do this job. But I don't want to push my chips forward and go out and meet something I don't understand." It's just kind of like that.

• 1:21:16Chris Ryan?

  I've gotten to the sort of part of evil and the darkness out there that is incomprehensible. And it's amazing that these guys are like, that in between Cormac McCarthy writes this novel, but that they're kind of making the same story and talking about the same stuff.

• 1:21:30Bill Simmons?

  Interesting. Yeah, cuz that, that's one of the things I love about No Country is he has this realization, like... What am I doing this for?

• 1:21:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:39Bill Simmons?

  Like, there's some dark shit out there. I'm getting older and I just, it's not for, it's not, not for me anymore. I think about that when I watch some of these cop movies sometimes. These people, you know, in their early 30s, they're jumping over like parking garages, trying to catch somebody. And it's like, at some point you must realize.

• 1:21:55Speaker 05

  Definitely.

• 1:21:56Bill Simmons?

  The fuck, man? There's just gonna be another guy coming.

• 1:21:58Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:21:58Bill Simmons?

  I'm doing this. I don't get respect from anybody for it.

• 1:22:01Speaker 05

  Remember, I mean, the end of Seven where he's like, the world is a wonderful place and worth fighting for. I believe the first part.

• 1:22:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Speaker 05

  And the Morgan Freeman's just like, I just saw the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:22:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:10Speaker 05

  I'm just done. This, this, I think I'm done.

• 1:22:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I'm done. Um, what did you have for this, Kyle?

• 1:22:15Speaker 05

  Um, so Geyer Grimsrud, Stormy in this.

• 1:22:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:20Speaker 05

  Of all the insane shit he does in this movie, the wood shipper, the executions, by far the craziest thing he does is calling for a second pancake meal in one day.

• 1:22:30Bill Simmons?

  Of the day.

• 1:22:31Speaker 05

  Fucking outrageous.

• 1:22:32Bill Simmons?

  Have you ever done it?

• 1:22:32Speaker 05

  It's, I don't think it's ever been done. I, I wanna put yourself in the position where you're on a fucking road trip. And in the morning, you have a full stack of fluffy, buttery, syrupy pancakes.

• 1:22:43Bill Simmons?

  And you're sitting, it's immediate constipation.

• 1:22:45Speaker 05

  You're sitting, you're fucking farting.

• 1:22:47Bill Simmons?

  You are, you are chain smoking, so I'm ready for the constipation.

• 1:22:50Speaker 05

  And then in the same day, they're like, let's run it back. I want another stack of pancakes. Carl's first reaction is, what are you nuts? And I feel like the Coens are like, we need a creative way to tell people what a lunatic this is.

• 1:23:02Chris Ryan?

  He's only interested in like cigarettes, pancakes and killing people.

• 1:23:06Speaker 05

  Not even like, not even pasta or pizza, like pancakes. I don't want it in the same week after a plate of pancakes.

• 1:23:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:14Speaker 05

  And there's also this funny detail where the line says, we stop at Pancakes' house. And he kept going to the Coens and be like, I think there's a typo in the script. It should be Pancakes'. And they're like, there's no typos in the script.

• 1:23:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Speaker 05

  It's Pancakes' house, which makes him sound more crazy. I, it's like, you have a fucking mattress in your stomach all day in that car.

• 1:23:32Bill Simmons?

  I'm trying to remember, like, this is a great one. Like, when have you doubled cuisine in the same day?

• 1:23:37Speaker 05

  And what cuisine would it be?

• 1:23:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Speaker 05

  Pizza, maybe like tacos, like a breakfast burrito.

• 1:23:42Bill Simmons?

  This is where we, if we had Joe Hass here, he would just be rattling off multiple.

• 1:23:46Chris Ryan?

  I'll do a morning gumbo and then like a nighttime seafood tower. I couldn't do.

• 1:23:50Speaker 05

  It would probably be protein, probably not dairy.

• 1:23:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:53Speaker 05

  But you know, the Grims was like that full ice cream scoop of butter on every slice, not to mention the sides. And Carl's like, let's go get a steak and a beer.

• 1:24:01Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 1:24:02Speaker 05

  And he's like, more fucking pancakes. It's insane. All the other shit. I get why he puts the woodchip where he's to conceal the evidence. He shoots the cop for self-preservation. The pancakes is inexplicable.

• 1:24:13Bill Simmons?

  Red Auerbach used to find any Celtic that had pancakes.

• 1:24:17Speaker 05

  Are you serious?

• 1:24:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:17Speaker 05

  Could slow him down?

• 1:24:18Bill Simmons?

  Just an actual find.

• 1:24:19Chris Ryan?

  Are you saying Red Auerbach invented heat culture?

• 1:24:22Bill Simmons?

  If Fred Auerbach found out you had pancakes, he fined you like $25. He thought they were the worst thing a human being could eat.

• 1:24:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're rough.

• 1:24:28Chris Ryan?

  They're fucking amazing, though.

• 1:24:29Speaker 05

  They're good.

• 1:24:30Bill Simmons?

  My hot take, in 1997, a year after this movie, a pilot was filmed for a TV series set in Brainerd shortly after the events of the film, starring E. D. Falco as Marge Gunderson. No involvement from the Coens, directed by Kathy Bates, the pilot you can find on YouTube. I sent it to you guys. It's an amazing what if.

• 1:24:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:50Bill Simmons?

  Because if this pilot gets picked up, The Sopranos now no longer has E. D. Falco as Carmella, who I think, there's three people that have to be on that show.

• 1:25:02Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:25:02Bill Simmons?

  Right? If you're going Sopranos, does this show work without these people? It's really only Tony and Carmella. I even think you could have somebody else as Melfi and probably be fine.

• 1:25:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:13Bill Simmons?

  Polly Walnuts would be my third.

• 1:25:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Bill Simmons?

  I just think he's irreplaceable and one of the funniest people I've ever been on TV.

• 1:25:18Chris Ryan?

  Would Imperiali be like essential?

• 1:25:20Bill Simmons?

  Imperiali, maybe. So there's four. Yeah, Imperiali would be the fourth. But I just think if you take Carmelo out of that, I don't think that's the greatest show of all time anymore. So the pilot doesn't get picked up.

• 1:25:29Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:25:30Bill Simmons?

  Huge what if. It's almost like we have in sports where it's like,

• 1:25:34Chris Ryan?

  There's a change.

• 1:25:35Bill Simmons?

  Portland had taken MJ, the fucking world splits.

• 1:25:38Chris Ryan?

  The ripples go up to there's no Fargo, uh, series from Noah Hawley.

• 1:25:43Bill Simmons?

  Mm hmm. Right.

• 1:25:43Chris Ryan?

  So you miss out on Kirsten Dunst and Jesse Plemons season, the Billy Bob Thornton Renaissance kind of starts on Fargo.

• 1:25:50Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:51Chris Ryan?

  Like, there's a lot of stuff that comes out of Fargo that wouldn't have happened.

• 1:25:54Bill Simmons?

  E. D. Falco, instead she goes and does Oz.

• 1:25:58Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:25:59Bill Simmons?

  Which leads to Sopranos. We get her in Oz for a year.

• 1:26:02Speaker 05

  Because they, initially they wanted Brack. For Carmella.

• 1:26:06Bill Simmons?

  She said no.

• 1:26:06Speaker 05

  She already did that part.

• 1:26:07Bill Simmons?

  She didn't want to be the wife again.

• 1:26:08Chris Ryan?

  She's done Karen.

• 1:26:09Speaker 05

  So I wonder if they could have gotten her. Probably not. I think you're right. Like, you can't have that show without Falco. One of the greatest performances ever.

• 1:26:14Bill Simmons?

  You know why she didn't want to be, um, the wife, Carmella? Cause that's all we had! Karen!

• 1:26:21Speaker 05

  They would have found it!

• 1:26:22Bill Simmons?

  They would have found it! That's all we had!

• 1:26:25Speaker 05

  They would have found it.

• 1:26:26Bill Simmons?

  Cassie would have. Oh no!

• 1:26:31Chris Ryan?

  The way she says, "Oh no."

• 1:26:33Bill Simmons?

  Cassie would have.

• 1:26:36Bill Simmons?

  I almost couldn't believe this and had to research it and it's true. I thought it was internet bullshit and it's just not. Bill Pullman was supposed to be Jerry.

• 1:26:43Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:26:44Speaker 05

  Bill Pullman.

• 1:26:45Bill Simmons?

  Bill Pullman was supposed to be Jerry and had to back out, had some sort of scheduling conflict and that's what led to William H. Macy being...

• 1:26:52Chris Ryan?

  Like, yeah, Macy talked about how he basically like chased the Coens across the country doing auditions.

• 1:26:58Bill Simmons?

  Bill Pullman.

• 1:26:59Speaker 05

  He's way too handsome. Like, he's, Pullman is dashing. Like, he's romantic leads. No way.

• 1:27:04Chris Ryan?

  God, I wonder what he pulled out for.

• 1:27:06Bill Simmons?

  Bill Pullman is in the...

• 1:27:07Chris Ryan?

  That wouldn't have been, that's not Independence Day, right? Like, when, when would he?

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  Independence Day is right, it's like 96, right around there.

• 1:27:15Bill Simmons?

  Bill Pullman was in the mix in like a big, big A-list way for like five years.

• 1:27:19Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:27:19Bill Simmons?

  Cause even Malice, which we have not thought of the rewatchables, but Ciara and I both love. But, uh, he's, it's him, Kidman and Al Baldwin. It's the three of them. He's in Independence Day and I don't know, he's...

• 1:27:32Chris Ryan?

  He's in while you're sleeping, right?

• 1:27:34Bill Simmons?

  He's in one of the wider, which, yeah, which one of those wider?

• 1:27:38Speaker 05

  He's not in Tombstone. Yeah, he's a wider.

• 1:27:40Chris Ryan?

  The wider one.

• 1:27:42Bill Simmons?

  Then they looked at Richard Jenkins for a while and gave it to Macy. I don't know. Jenkins...

• 1:27:46Chris Ryan?

  Jenkins is so good in Brackery.

• 1:27:48Bill Simmons?

  Jenkins with a Minnesota accent?

• 1:27:49Speaker 05

  I know. If, if Pullman becomes Lundegaard, does William H. Macy become the President of the United States on Independence Day?

• 1:27:55Chris Ryan?

  That'd be pretty goo, pretty good.

• 1:27:57Bill Simmons?

  Wow.

• 1:27:58Speaker 05

  It's Jerry Lundegaard. We will not go quietly tonight, okay?

• 1:28:04Bill Simmons?

  Best that guy. It has to be Harv Presnel as Wade Gosson.

• 1:28:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:10Bill Simmons?

  I don't.

• 1:28:11Speaker 05

  Is that what you had, Chris?

• 1:28:11Chris Ryan?

  No, I had Larry Brandon.

• 1:28:13Speaker 05

  I got Larry Brandon.

• 1:28:13Chris Ryan?

  As Stan.

• 1:28:14Speaker 05

  Stan Grossman. He's in Shawshank. He's part of the crew. Think about it. He doesn't have any lines. But he's part of that Red and Andy Crew was betting on the fresh fish. And I just, I had no idea what his name was. Larry Brandon Bird as Stan Grossman? Is that what you had, Chris?

• 1:28:30Chris Ryan?

  That's what I had. You know, he does two episodes of Cheers.

• 1:28:33Bill Simmons?

  It's a really good one. You might be right. Because the only reason they had Harv. He hadn't made a movie in 20 years.

• 1:28:38Speaker 05

  This is awesome.

• 1:28:39Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:28:39Bill Simmons?

  He was like this 50s, 60s, 70s guy and then retired and then they like pulled him back somehow.

• 1:28:45Chris Ryan?

  They had the best eye for faces. Like, they'll just be like, that's, that's who it is.

• 1:28:48Speaker 05

  And then like, two seconds later, he's in Private Ryan as like a general.

• 1:28:52Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:28:52Speaker 05

  And Spielberg casts him, right? He shows up in that movie.

• 1:28:54Chris Ryan?

  With the only one arm guy, right?

• 1:28:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:57Bill Simmons?

  So the Shawshank Crew was.

• 1:29:01Bill Simmons?

  It was. The guy who was in Silent Rage.

• 1:29:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:06Bill Simmons?

  That guy.

• 1:29:07Speaker 05

  I don't know his name, but.

• 1:29:08Bill Simmons?

  It was the stuttering guy.

• 1:29:09Speaker 05

  Red, I do believe you're talking out of your ass.

• 1:29:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. The stuttering guy. It was Brooks.

• 1:29:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, William Sadler.

• 1:29:16Bill Simmons?

  William Sadler.

• 1:29:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Heywood.

• 1:29:18Bill Simmons?

  And then that guy was the quiet guy.

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:29:20Bill Simmons?

  Morgan Freeman. There was one more, too. And then I guess the.

• 1:29:24Speaker 05

  Well, there's the guy from The Sopranos who marries Janice. Isn't he in that crew?

• 1:29:28Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 1:29:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, Richie April.

• 1:29:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Richie April.

• 1:29:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a great crew.

• 1:29:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Dion Waiters award. Steve Park. Who do you have?

• 1:29:38Chris Ryan?

  Steve Park.

• 1:29:38Speaker 05

  Steve Park as Mike Yanagida.

• 1:29:42Bill Simmons?

  I could offer you Shep Prabhat.

• 1:29:44Chris Ryan?

  It's Steve Park. It's maybe the, one of the great Deons of.

• 1:29:48Bill Simmons?

  I could offer you the guy who wanted to pay 19.5 for his vehicle with no true code.

• 1:29:53Chris Ryan?

  Very funny. Very good.

• 1:29:54Bill Simmons?

  And I could.

• 1:29:54Speaker 05

  Fucking liar.

• 1:29:55Bill Simmons?

  I could offer you Jose Feliciano.

• 1:29:58Speaker 05

  No complaints.

• 1:29:58Bill Simmons?

  And I could offer the two escorts who made the point that he was funny looking, not circumcised.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  I love all the offers. Chris, you just brought me there. I have Yanagida on my Waiters Rushmore. Like, I have Drexel into romance. I've got Walkin' in Pulp Fiction. I've got Mike Yanagida, and I've got The Goat, multiple Miggs. Like, those are my four all-time Dion Waiters. He's in the George Washington state of Rushmore. Multiple Miggs, two lines of dialogue, and eternal impression. But Yanagida is on that with Miggs.

• 1:30:30Chris Ryan?

  I would only add, John Marley is Jack Wilson Godfather.

• 1:30:35Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:37Bill Simmons?

  We've had so many good Dons. I'd love to see the complete list.

• 1:30:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. That sounds like a bracket. That's a great list. It sounds like a bracket, too. Like, it's tourney time. They did Roger Ebert.

• 1:30:48Bill Simmons?

  That would be a good bracket.

• 1:30:49Speaker 05

  Roger Ebert did a special episode of their show with Scorsese, and when it went to 2000, where they list their top 10 movies of 90s. Scorsese comes on and he says he's got Fargo at number four. One of the first things he says in his commentary about this movie that won all these awards is, and there's this amazing scene with this Asian American actor who's giving all his emotions out, and it's just a beautiful scene. Like, he fucking loved the Yanagida scene, Scorsese. It was like his favorite scene in the movie.

• 1:31:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:12Speaker 05

  It's so, so, so good.

• 1:31:14Bill Simmons?

  Who did we have for Pulp for Dion? Was it The Wolf?

• 1:31:17Speaker 05

  Or Walkin'. This watch up your ass.

• 1:31:20Chris Ryan?

  I think it was Walkin'. Yes.

• 1:31:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:22Speaker 05

  Do you know that the guy, Steven Park, I know everything about this scene. He's talked about this scene, and when he performed it, yeah, Mike Yanagida, the Coens came up to him afterwards, and they're like, so fucking funny, hilarious. And he was like, really hurt.

• 1:31:35Chris Ryan?

  Cause he's like, this is supposed to be heartbreaking.

• 1:31:36Speaker 05

  Like, I thought it was, I was like pouring my heart out. It's funny, like, they're laughing. He thought it was like a straight dramatic scene.

• 1:31:41Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:31:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:44Speaker 05

  The fact that, the fact that he goes same side of the booth and just takes that and takes that risk.

• 1:31:49Chris Ryan?

  He's like, I didn't want to cream my neck.

• 1:31:50Speaker 05

  I know. And Chris, we've never done a pod, but can you imagine five minutes in, I'm just coming over here?

• 1:31:56Speaker 05

  Do you mind if I sit over here? And you're like, no, I'd like you over there. I can see you better. I'm just gonna sit like this.

• 1:32:02Chris Ryan?

  I'll do Yanagida for the rest of this.

• 1:32:04Bill Simmons?

  Pod.

• 1:32:06Speaker 05

  Because if she was all right with him sitting there.

• 1:32:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh, my God, dude.

• 1:32:08Speaker 05

  There are 15. He's going in for the kiss.

• 1:32:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:10Speaker 05

  I have a take on that, that like Yannick has a room. And he's got there early. He's got a room with the Radisson.

• 1:32:16Bill Simmons?

  It's not just the lunch at the Radisson.

• 1:32:17Speaker 05

  No, no, no. He's suited up. He's got like a Scotch. Like, this is everything.

• 1:32:21Bill Simmons?

  Hold on. In Yannick's defense.

• 1:32:24Speaker 05

  Go on.

• 1:32:25Bill Simmons?

  She suggests the Radisson. It's a fucking hotel. Do you think he knows the Radisson?

• 1:32:29Chris Ryan?

  Do you think when he's watching her on TV do the press conference or, you know, get interviewed about this case that she, he can see that she's pregnant? Or does she have a big coat on?

• 1:32:36Speaker 05

  I don't think he can see.

• 1:32:37Bill Simmons?

  You think he's like pregnant fetish?

• 1:32:38Chris Ryan?

  No, I just think it's like, I wonder if when she walks in.

• 1:32:41Bill Simmons?

  So he's a good porn.

• 1:32:42Chris Ryan?

  Clearly pregnant.

• 1:32:42Bill Simmons?

  Porn searches for this movie. Woman on top and pregnant or two.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  Third trimester, too.

• 1:32:48Bill Simmons?

  Wood chipper.

• 1:32:49Speaker 05

  I think he's probably crestfallen.

• 1:32:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think so, too. I think when she orders the Diet Coke, he's like, shit.

• 1:32:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Recasting couch director city.

• 1:32:57Speaker 05

  He wants her to get like a Long Island.

• 1:32:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:59Speaker 05

  You know? I wonder, I, I would hope if she would not leave that drink unattended either. Like, I think everything's on the table.

• 1:33:05Bill Simmons?

  Oh, God.

• 1:33:05Speaker 05

  It's not good. Not good.

• 1:33:07Bill Simmons?

  Recasting couch director city.

• 1:33:10Chris Ryan?

  You can't do a different city.

• 1:33:12Bill Simmons?

  Can we test drive, uh?

• 1:33:13Speaker 05

  Go on.

• 1:33:14Bill Simmons?

  Robert Duvall as the father-in-law?

• 1:33:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, powerhouse.

• 1:33:18Bill Simmons?

  Give it a test drive just because he passed away recently, but.

• 1:33:21Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:33:22Bill Simmons?

  It's taking like a little more firepower for that character. Does that do anything for this movie?

• 1:33:26Speaker 05

  Going to McDonald's. It didn't finish. Yeah, he'd be fantastic.

• 1:33:28Chris Ryan?

  The thing I like about it is like, these guys pick this dude out of relative obscurity, hasn't acted for 20 years. It looks like the role of his lifetime, the role he's been meant, he's meant to do.

• 1:33:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:40Chris Ryan?

  And he does the exact thing they need him to do. And sometimes it's like.

• 1:33:43Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:33:44Chris Ryan?

  When you bring in.

• 1:33:44Bill Simmons?

  It's like a 70s detective show performance.

• 1:33:47Chris Ryan?

  And it's like, well, what if Brandt then ruins the movie, you know?

• 1:33:49Speaker 05

  He shows up too in, uh, in Face Off right after this. Like, he got hot.

• 1:33:52Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 05

  He's in Face Off, too. Like, directors were picking him. They liked him.

• 1:33:57Bill Simmons?

  Uh, half a certain research.

• 1:33:58Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:34:00Bill Simmons?

  Stormare has 18 lines of dialogue.

• 1:34:03Speaker 05

  Great.

• 1:34:04Bill Simmons?

  Never says more than one sentence at a time.

• 1:34:06Chris Ryan?

  It is in the pancake conversation.

• 1:34:08Speaker 05

  You know what it makes me think of? Our guy right here. Very few lines of dialogue, machine-like killer. It's, it's. It's post of the sun.

• 1:34:15Bill Simmons?

  Look at that guy. In his book Stand for Something, The Battle for America's Soul, Ohio Governor John Kasich spends three pages describing his hatred for this film.

• 1:34:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay. What's his substance?

• 1:34:29Bill Simmons?

  That's all I didn't.

• 1:34:30Chris Ryan?

  I think he probably hates its depiction of smaller town, America.

• 1:34:35Bill Simmons?

  The Paul Bunyan statue was built for the film and dismantled.

• 1:34:40Bill Simmons?

  Wade's car dealership was filmed in Richfield, Minnesota.

• 1:34:44Bill Simmons?

  Now occupied by a Best Buy.

• 1:34:45Speaker 05

  Okay, there's still a Best Buy?

• 1:34:47Bill Simmons?

  King of Clubs was in northeast Minneapolis, demolished in oh three, replaced by low income housing.

• 1:34:53Chris Ryan?

  Before BS come in with a tidy little investment.

• 1:34:58Bill Simmons?

  Joel Cohen had McDormand and John Carroll Lynch conceive a backstory for their characters to get the feel of the characters. And they decided Norm and Marge met working on the police force. When they married, they had to choose which one quit. Norm quit and took up.

• 1:35:13Speaker 05

  Cause Norm doesn't work, right? Like he's a painter.

• 1:35:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 05

  He painted the three cent stand.

• 1:35:16Chris Ryan?

  I assume that they work, that they went to high school together because Yannick Gita is like, oh, you remember her? She was here behind us. Yeah.

• 1:35:23Bill Simmons?

  I mean, he was hilarious in high school.

• 1:35:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:28Bill Simmons?

  The trademark Minnesota, yeah. Appears 179 times in the script.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  Great.

• 1:35:35Bill Simmons?

  That's all I got. Apex Mountain.

• 1:35:38Chris Ryan?

  Well, for Apex Mountain, certainly Swedish meatballs. Because when you think about what Ikea was doing.

• 1:35:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:44Chris Ryan?

  With their, their amazing cafe.

• 1:35:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:46Chris Ryan?

  When you would go get some furniture that you would then get divorced while you put it together.

• 1:35:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:51Chris Ryan?

  And then also this movie, I just, I don't really know when Swedish meatballs have peaked again. I would also say GMAC financing plans.

• 1:35:59Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:36:01Speaker 05

  Riley Giefenbach?

• 1:36:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, just, and then True Coat Sealant.

• 1:36:05Bill Simmons?

  Would you say Callan Brothers?

• 1:36:06Chris Ryan?

  No, I'd say No Country is Callan Brothers.

• 1:36:08Bill Simmons?

  I would say that as well. Macy, it's not yet, but maybe after Boogie Nights, we're getting there.

• 1:36:16Bill Simmons?

  Getting in the vicinity. Some would argue the cooler when he actually led a movie that had a lot of people in it.

• 1:36:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, Shameless, right? The show, like, people love that show Shameless, he was on for years.

• 1:36:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:26Speaker 05

  Like, I mean, Rossom, I never watched it, but I know people like it.

• 1:36:29Bill Simmons?

  Minnesota, probably the World Series in eighty-eight or eighty-seven, Kirby Puckett.

• 1:36:33Chris Ryan?

  Oh, fuck, yeah.

• 1:36:34Bill Simmons?

  Or ninety-one, one of those two World Series.

• 1:36:35Chris Ryan?

  Kent Herbeck, Greg Gagnon.

• 1:36:37Speaker 05

  The ninety-eight Vikings, Moss's rookie year, and Randall Cunningham, and they went to a title game, they were unbelievable.

• 1:36:42Chris Ryan?

  KG winning that, that first round series.

• 1:36:46Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:47Bill Simmons?

  Uh, windshield scraper scenes?

• 1:36:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:36:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:52Bill Simmons?

  Buscemi?

• 1:36:53Chris Ryan?

  Uh, well.

• 1:36:55Speaker 05

  He wins a Golden Globe for that Boardwalk Empire. This is my favorite role of his.

• 1:37:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think there's been bigger moments. I think Con Air is probably like his apex.

• 1:37:04Speaker 05

  He got that right after this. He starts being a movie star, starts doing all the Sandler movies, like.

• 1:37:08Bill Simmons?

  It's funny, I would probably, I'd probably, I'm not right, but I'd probably say Sopranos, because he was also directing.

• 1:37:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:14Bill Simmons?

  And when he was in Sopranos, it was just such a big deal.

• 1:37:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:37:17Bill Simmons?

  It's like, oh, my God, they got Buscemi for, he's gonna play Tony's cousin, this is fucking unbelievable.

• 1:37:22Speaker 05

  You're right.

• 1:37:23Bill Simmons?

  Can't believe they're doing this.

• 1:37:24Speaker 05

  And the way his story ended on the porch is, that's so good.

• 1:37:28Bill Simmons?

  McDormand, no.

• 1:37:31Bill Simmons?

  But I don't know what it is.

• 1:37:31Chris Ryan?

  I think it's probably three.

• 1:37:33Bill Simmons?

  Intentionally designed not to have an apex.

• 1:37:34Chris Ryan?

  Three billboards was like the most attention I think she got.

• 1:37:38Bill Simmons?

  The Blue Ox, probably the most fun anyone's had there, yeah.

• 1:37:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're having a hell of a time in the Blue Ox.

• 1:37:44Bill Simmons?

  Shovel murders, better shovel murder for you?

• 1:37:47Speaker 05

  We, we, we danced close with some shovel murders in Home Alone.

• 1:37:50Chris Ryan?

  That's the thing, it's implied.

• 1:37:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, the, this, the sheet, the slayer.

• 1:37:53Chris Ryan?

  The snow shovel, yeah.

• 1:37:55Bill Simmons?

  Remember in Halloween, there was a good through the face shovel murder, but this was pretty good. Fargo.

• 1:38:04Speaker 05

  Fargo the town?

• 1:38:06Chris Ryan?

  It could have been named Brainerd. I mean, the, most of the action, the movie takes place.

• 1:38:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so they, they talked about that and said they just liked the name Fargo better.

• 1:38:13Chris Ryan?

  This is the best thing about them is that, like, people will spend decades kind of like unpacking their movies and they're like, eh, kidnapping's just cool.

• 1:38:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:20Chris Ryan?

  We just like making movies.

• 1:38:21Bill Simmons?

  Why don't you name it Brainerd? Eh, sounds good enough.

• 1:38:23Speaker 05

  Fargo sounds much cooler.

• 1:38:25Bill Simmons?

  Storm Air, I'm still going Dino Velvet.

• 1:38:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:27Bill Simmons?

  I don't care how good he was.

• 1:38:28Chris Ryan?

  I think Armageddon, but yeah, I'll do.

• 1:38:30Speaker 05

  Six months after this movie came out. He was in a jungle with Steven Spielberg shooting The Lost World like.

• 1:38:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:35Speaker 05

  He had a.

• 1:38:36Bill Simmons?

  Late nineties was a good.

• 1:38:37Speaker 05

  Oh, my god. He was.

• 1:38:38Bill Simmons?

  Dangling cigarette smoking?

• 1:38:42Speaker 05

  There's a scene where Ray Stantz in Ghostbusters has one dragon on his lip for like 10 seconds as he's looking at Slimer.

• 1:38:47Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:38:47Speaker 05

  It's iconic. He lets this thing hang and he's like, I don't know how they did it because it but it's really, you know what I'm talking about? It's really funny.

• 1:38:56Bill Simmons?

  Minnesota accents?

• 1:38:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. All right, here's my favorite one. In movie disfiguring facial wounds, Mount Rushmore. I have one battle.

• 1:39:06Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 1:39:07Bill Simmons?

  Freeway with Kiefer Sutherland.

• 1:39:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:39:10Bill Simmons?

  Reese Witherspoon shoots him in the face and then he's.

• 1:39:14Bill Simmons?

  Fargo, what's the fourth one?

• 1:39:15Chris Ryan?

  Uh, it's definitely Aaron Eckhart in Dark Knight.

• 1:39:18Bill Simmons?

  There we go.

• 1:39:20Chris Ryan?

  Two face.

• 1:39:20Speaker 05

  With burns half of the space off.

• 1:39:22Bill Simmons?

  But he didn't get shot though.

• 1:39:23Chris Ryan?

  No, I'm sorry. I just mean face injury.

• 1:39:25Bill Simmons?

  Well, I I think we can sneak that in then.

• 1:39:27Speaker 05

  Gus Fring has the same thing at the end of Breaking Bad, like half of his face is melted off just like that.

• 1:39:32Chris Ryan?

  That's true.

• 1:39:32Speaker 05

  That's good.

• 1:39:34Bill Simmons?

  Cruiser Hanks.

• 1:39:35Chris Ryan?

  It's Hanks because he thinks this is a perfect movie.

• 1:39:38Bill Simmons?

  And Hanks could have played how many characters in?

• 1:39:41Chris Ryan?

  He could have played Jerry.

• 1:39:42Speaker 05

  Jerry for sure.

• 1:39:44Bill Simmons?

  Older Hanks could have played the dad.

• 1:39:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he could play. He could play the guy shoveling snow in his driveway. He was like. Yeah.

• 1:39:52Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, he would have been a really interesting, um, Stormare. He's never really went. We never got dark Hanks.

• 1:40:00Chris Ryan?

  Not this dark, no.

• 1:40:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:03Bill Simmons?

  It would have been disorienting to watch him play somebody that evil.

• 1:40:07Speaker 05

  This, the, uh, road to perdition. He's a killer with a Tommy gun and get some gunfights and stuff like that, but not like this. I have I have Cruz written down as Stormare just because.

• 1:40:15Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:40:15Speaker 05

  I want to see you guys talk about his smoking. Yeah, like Vincent from Collateral.

• 1:40:19Bill Simmons?

  The smoking.

• 1:40:22Chris Ryan?

  Doing Carl more than Stormare like.

• 1:40:23Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 1:40:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Cruz just be like, you fucking imbecile.

• 1:40:26Bill Simmons?

  Oh, like doing cocktail Cruz?

• 1:40:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Scorsese or Spielberg? Clearly Scorsese. We did best hang, worst hang, the two criminals.

• 1:40:35Chris Ryan?

  Carl Garra is what I got.

• 1:40:37Bill Simmons?

  Uh, the Sarah Connor award for wood modern technology ruined this movie?

• 1:40:42Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:40:42Bill Simmons?

  Ring cameras, cell phone pings and texting. I think we catch these guys in five minutes.

• 1:40:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, you can't take a license plate off of a parking garage.

• 1:40:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 05

  Car and you're just you're everywhere. You're on. Cameras.

• 1:40:51Chris Ryan?

  Kind of wild that when he, when she gets out to the, the scene of the state trooper being, having been shot. It's just two cops like, like you'd think there would be like, the FBI would be there, like there would be like thirty cops out there and it's just.

• 1:41:05Speaker 05

  She asked Lou, where is everybody? He's like, well, it's cold, Margie.

• 1:41:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:41:09Speaker 05

  It's cold.

• 1:41:09Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:41:10Speaker 05

  There's like, no one wanted to come out.

• 1:41:12Bill Simmons?

  Picking nits. We mentioned the title. I have a couple of good ones, but what'd you guys have?

• 1:41:19Speaker 05

  I'll rattle some. First of all, uh, the London guards would definitely have a dog, which I think would be a fun part of the home invasion. The fact that Scotty does not have a Kirby Puckett poster in his room is ridiculous. Nineteen eighty seven.

• 1:41:30Bill Simmons?

  Doesn't like sports.

• 1:41:31Speaker 05

  He's a hockey guy.

• 1:41:32Chris Ryan?

  He likes hockey.

• 1:41:33Speaker 05

  Most importantly, though.

• 1:41:34Bill Simmons?

  He would have had a North Stars poster or something.

• 1:41:36Speaker 05

  Something. Most important picking it. I know it's a funny line. It makes for a good dialogue. There's no fucking way Carl is uncircumcised.

• 1:41:44Speaker 05

  This is a white guy from the Midwest. Hello. There's no fucking way. I know it's funny. Now, if you want to talk about Storm Air, the Swedish guy. Then we can talk.

• 1:41:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:54Speaker 05

  That Carl is, she says, it wasn't, I get it's funny. There's no fucking way he's uncircumcised.

• 1:41:58Bill Simmons?

  That's a great one.

• 1:42:00Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:42:01Speaker 05

  Have you seen our month?

• 1:42:02Chris Ryan?

  Why does Carl not take off? Why does he go back for gear and go back to like, be like, hey, I got.

• 1:42:09Speaker 05

  He gives him the money.

• 1:42:10Chris Ryan?

  Some money.

• 1:42:11Bill Simmons?

  It's a man of honor.

• 1:42:12Speaker 05

  Maybe he's worried he'll come after him.

• 1:42:14Chris Ryan?

  Maybe.

• 1:42:15Speaker 05

  He gives him the forty thousand. He's like, I got a million. I'm just gonna do this right. Close the end. I'm out of here. But if, yeah, I mean, in retrospect.

• 1:42:21Bill Simmons?

  Why did he bury the, the money?

• 1:42:24Speaker 05

  Cause he didn't want to show up to the house with it in the car.

• 1:42:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cause then he can always use that as like, if he needs.

• 1:42:29Bill Simmons?

  Well, why wouldn't he bear, bury it closer to the house?

• 1:42:31Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:42:31Chris Ryan?

  Like, cause he's, half of his face is hanging off.

• 1:42:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I guess he's, alright, so I have two. I have. The father in law never connecting the dots. He seemed like a smart guy, a good businessman.

• 1:42:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:42Bill Simmons?

  Jerry needs, he wants the money himself for the kidnapping seven hundred fifty.

• 1:42:47Speaker 05

  That's a good one, Bill.

• 1:42:47Bill Simmons?

  Then the kidnappers want a million. It's like right in the vicinity. I just sort of been like.

• 1:42:51Chris Ryan?

  Unanswerable question is what's, what's Jerry gotten himself into? Is he?

• 1:42:55Bill Simmons?

  They don't want you to know. It's like the suitcase.

• 1:42:57Chris Ryan?

  He's taking out loans on cars that don't exist.

• 1:43:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:01Chris Ryan?

  Is it to pay for something else or is it to pay for that parking lot?

• 1:43:05Bill Simmons?

  They don't want us to know.

• 1:43:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:07Speaker 05

  Or is it just to get rich?

• 1:43:08Bill Simmons?

  They said that they had, Cohen's literally said, we don't, we didn't want people to think about it. They did the, uh, the Pulp Fiction suitcase move.

• 1:43:15Chris Ryan?

  The G M A C thing when he's just like, yeah, so I'm gonna need those VIN numbers. He's like, okay.

• 1:43:19Speaker 05

  I'll fax it over.

• 1:43:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm gonna have my girl send them right over.

• 1:43:21Speaker 05

  Think about his master plan is just, just write them hard to read in pencil and fax it. And that's like, that's the perfect crime.

• 1:43:26Chris Ryan?

  But the G M A C sent him $300,000. They're like, okay, here you go, bud.

• 1:43:31Speaker 05

  My patience is at an end. Yeah.

• 1:43:33Bill Simmons?

  Well, I was thinking, what's the most realistic, funny reason that he's down $300,000 or whatever? Be like him gambling on Go For Soccer.

• 1:43:40Chris Ryan?

  He bet the Sox in the 86 World Series.

• 1:43:43Speaker 05

  It's gambling, drugs or sex.

• 1:43:45Bill Simmons?

  Playoffs 93.

• 1:43:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:47Speaker 05

  You gotta be thinking differently about him now that I know Jerry Lennigard has a Playboy hanging right there in his bathroom. He might be some sort of pervert.

• 1:43:52Chris Ryan?

  It kind of takes a long look at something. Was this at the, at the diner, you know?

• 1:43:56Speaker 05

  That's a very weighted moment.

• 1:43:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:58Speaker 05

  He kind of looks just, how you doing?

• 1:43:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Speaker 05

  Like he full up those, how you doing to her? It's a good call, Chris. There might be something there with him.

• 1:44:04Bill Simmons?

  I think the father-in-law would have figured that out. Second thing. Why are the criminals in the car for this long? I did some Googling.

• 1:44:12Speaker 05

  It's, it's not that far.

• 1:44:14Bill Simmons?

  Fargo to Minnesota, four hours. Brainerd to Minnesota, two hours. Brainerd to Fargo, three hours. Why, why do we have to, why do we have to stay overnight? Minneapolis. Why do we have to stay overnight anywhere? It's a four hour drive. We do, I'm driving dude in three. They get a hotel and sleep in the same double bed.

• 1:44:31Chris Ryan?

  You're gonna do it in three despite the fact that it's complete white out blizzard conditions.

• 1:44:35Bill Simmons?

  I have to do pancakes twice with Stormer and then share double bed hookers with them? I want to get to my location and get, get away from this guy. They make it seem like they're driving from like New York.

• 1:44:46Chris Ryan?

  Imagine anybody more miserable in this circumstances than you. Oh my God.

• 1:44:49Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:44:50Bill Simmons?

  The smoking in the car, the windows, it's like a personal assault.

• 1:44:54Chris Ryan?

  Oh my God.

• 1:44:55Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, it's, it's.

• 1:44:56Chris Ryan?

  They, uh, they say that's a, a cancer agent.

• 1:44:59Speaker 05

  Carcinogen, whatever. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:01Bill Simmons?

  It's a sociopath behavior.

• 1:45:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:04Bill Simmons?

  Okay. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all podcast, untouchable. Obviously prestige TV, cause we had it.

• 1:45:10Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:45:11Bill Simmons?

  And that, I didn't see the first season of Fargo. I never watched the Fargo TV series, which is a hole. Maybe I should. But the first season picks up with what, what happened to the money, right?

• 1:45:21Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:45:21Speaker 05

  They talk about the case that's buried?

• 1:45:23Chris Ryan?

  There's a, the case is buried, it goes back, and I think one of the characters is Marge's. I think Ted Danson plays Marge's father or grandfather. I can't remember. It's been a while since I've seen it.

• 1:45:34Speaker 05

  Bilbo's in it, right? Like, he's the guy who plays Bilbo in The Hobbit.

• 1:45:38Chris Ryan?

  Elijah Wood?

• 1:45:39Speaker 05

  No, that's Frodo.

• 1:45:40Chris Ryan?

  Oh, uh, Bilbo?

• 1:45:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. What's the guy? He's a super famous actor. I thought he was the lead in-

• 1:45:46Bill Simmons?

  Kyle, you're in the wrong room right now.

• 1:45:48Chris Ryan?

  Ian Holm?

• 1:45:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, not Ian Holm. In the new movie, in the Hobbit movies. What's that guy's name?

• 1:45:53Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Martin Freeman.

• 1:45:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, Martin Freeman.

• 1:45:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I can't remember. This is the thing is, is I just haven't seen the Fargo since they came out.

• 1:45:58Speaker 05

  I haven't seen shit either.

• 1:45:59Bill Simmons?

  You guys might be talking another language right now.

• 1:46:01Chris Ryan?

  Bilbo? No?

• 1:46:03Speaker 05

  When's the fellowship pod?

• 1:46:06Bill Simmons?

  It was CRM. He could have pushed for it.

• 1:46:07Speaker 05

  If you can do Star Wars, you can do fellowship. Never?

• 1:46:10Chris Ryan?

  It would be funny to do Hobbit in this room and you just aren't there. We just have like a cutout of you.

• 1:46:16Speaker 05

  Like right there.

• 1:46:18Bill Simmons?

  I'm in one of those cages, like shot caller, at the end of shot caller.

• 1:46:26Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Zane Lowe, or somebody else? Kyle, you want to go first?

• 1:46:32Speaker 05

  I go first. Um, all right. So it's March. I'm gonna have to really work up for this.

• 1:46:40Speaker 05

  I just feel like at that radisson, I think Gus is there. Mike Yanagita, young fella, ha ha! Suit it up at the radisson. Linda Cooksey, suck it! Same side of the boat!

• 1:46:58Speaker 05

  Rich, Jack did! Oh, no, son of a goodness!

• 1:47:06Speaker 05

  My voice isn't right right now. Holy shit. It's March. It's Gus time.

• 1:47:11Bill Simmons?

  Mike Yanagita would be the best name Gus has never said.

• 1:47:14Speaker 05

  Yanagita!

• 1:47:15Bill Simmons?

  Mike Yanagita!

• 1:47:16Speaker 05

  He would love Yanagita.

• 1:47:17Bill Simmons?

  He would love that one. There's a guy in Arkansas now, Darius Acuff.

• 1:47:22Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:47:24Bill Simmons?

  Just waiting for Gus.

• 1:47:25Chris Ryan?

  You're really having a college basketball radisson.

• 1:47:28Bill Simmons?

  I'm into this draft. Yeah, I've been watching.

• 1:47:30Speaker 05

  I watched, yeah.

• 1:47:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I've been watching some.

• 1:47:32Chris Ryan?

  Holy shit, Gus.

• 1:47:33Bill Simmons?

  CRD.

• 1:47:34Chris Ryan?

  I was gonna do Zane, but like it feels like it was like a-

• 1:47:37Bill Simmons?

  No, no, people wanted Zane.

• 1:47:39Chris Ryan?

  Marge, I just want to say right out front, right out in the open, you're on an incredible journey in law enforcement, but you're also on an incredible journey of motherhood. And tell me about that. Tell me about your journey. Because we're all watching, we're all waiting, just like you.

• 1:47:57Speaker 05

  Chris, what you do it, you do, you do this thing?

• 1:47:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:59Speaker 05

  That's like, that's perfect.

• 1:48:00Chris Ryan?

  I've been watching a lot of tape. I'm gonna, I'm gonna improve over the course of CR month, I think.

• 1:48:04Speaker 05

  Now, I hope that's not to the detriment of Frenchie appearances, cuz that's,

• 1:48:07Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:48:08Speaker 05

  I'm such a fan.

• 1:48:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:09Speaker 05

  I even live in it for the last part.

• 1:48:11Chris Ryan?

  The policewoman. And the mother.

• 1:48:16Chris Ryan?

  I do think Carl Showalter would also make an incredible first take guess, just because he's like, I'm not gonna debate you. I'm not gonna debate you, Stephen.

• 1:48:24Speaker 05

  No, that's great. That's great.

• 1:48:26Chris Ryan?

  Carl Showalter, what do you think about Anthony Richardson going to a new team? I'm not gonna debate you. I'm not here to debate.

• 1:48:32Speaker 05

  Carl, is Sam Donald now an elite quarterback in the league?

• 1:48:35Bill Simmons?

  Carl, the ninth person at first take that to sell any of Shreks's jokes.

• 1:48:39Chris Ryan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:48:40Speaker 05

  Poor Shreks. I'm selling them at home. I'm laughing at home.

• 1:48:43Bill Simmons?

  A couple of people are on there, so only a couple. Just want to ask her who gets it.

• 1:48:50Bill Simmons?

  I mean, McDormand won the Oscar.

• 1:48:51Chris Ryan?

  I, I would say Macy, Buscemi, or Francis, or the Coens, or Deacons, is like a legit.

• 1:48:58Speaker 05

  And the Oscar goes to Stephen Park as Mike D'Antoni.

• 1:49:01Chris Ryan?

  Zayla's saying Marge. Marge.

• 1:49:04Speaker 05

  Marge, up here.

• 1:49:05Chris Ryan?

  So what's going on with you, Marge? You're doing law enforcement, you're doing the motherhood thing, Norm's painting, what? Keep us all up. Where have you been, man?

• 1:49:13Bill Simmons?

  Marge, you eat lunch. You eat so many calories.

• 1:49:16Chris Ryan?

  So he'll do like a 55 second long question and then Tame and Paul will be like, yes.

• 1:49:23Chris Ryan?

  It's so good, man.

• 1:49:26Bill Simmons?

  Probably any answer questions. Why was Marge pregnant is a question my son asked, but I, I think. Oh, that was one of his questions.

• 1:49:34Speaker 05

  Why was she pregnant?

• 1:49:35Bill Simmons?

  Why did they make her pregnant for the movie? Was their purpose behind?

• 1:49:37Chris Ryan?

  I think she's the, she's.

• 1:49:39Bill Simmons?

  I think it's just to make it seem more human.

• 1:49:41Chris Ryan?

  A cradle of new life in a world that's got so much death. Yeah.

• 1:49:45Bill Simmons?

  We talked about what kind of money trouble was Jerry in.

• 1:49:49Bill Simmons?

  Could you really dispose of bodies with a wood chipper?

• 1:49:54Speaker 05

  I think so. I think he could push hard enough.

• 1:49:55Bill Simmons?

  That's how good a wood chipper is?

• 1:49:56Speaker 05

  You got a high-grade wood chipper and you're a strong man.

• 1:49:59Chris Ryan?

  You know, it's pre NAFTA machinery.

• 1:50:02Chris Ryan?

  They really just fried it out.

• 1:50:03Speaker 05

  Because he probably was gonna put Mrs. Lundegaard in there next, too.

• 1:50:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, they could put like a piece of timber in there. They should be able to put a human body in.

• 1:50:09Bill Simmons?

  A lot of DNA evidence, though, on the.

• 1:50:11Speaker 05

  Everywhere. It doesn't make sense.

• 1:50:12Chris Ryan?

  Those guys are spooging all over motel rooms across Minnesota.

• 1:50:16Speaker 05

  It's true.

• 1:50:19Chris Ryan?

  They're like when Michael Douglas comes in and does the black light and is like this guy.

• 1:50:25Bill Simmons?

  Do you have any answers for us?

• 1:50:27Speaker 05

  If they put the tags on the license plate, do they get away with it? Like, that unravels everything, which is, by the way, Carl is so stupid. Like, you have to put the fucking tags on there. That means there's no murders in Brainerd. They get to the house. It probably goes sideways because Wade's still gonna show up for the drop off. But Carl's not gonna be pissed and having killed people. And I just, if they put the tags on, does it work?

• 1:50:49Chris Ryan?

  It's a great point, but the fact that he doesn't, because he's like, fuck them, I don't put my tags on, is exactly why he's a criminal. And it's like, the same reason why it's like, if those guys don't need to get laid basically every night,

• 1:51:01Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:51:02Chris Ryan?

  they're fine. Like, nobody's seen them. Nobody knows who they are. It's the, they find them through the escort.

• 1:51:07Bill Simmons?

  It would seem like the number one thing you're doing as a criminal is you're going in some parking garage at three in the morning and taking off somebody's license plate.

• 1:51:13Chris Ryan?

  Which is what Carl does eventually, but just too late.

• 1:51:15Bill Simmons?

  But that's like, that should be one of the first five things. Like, get a gun, steal a license plate, leave my cellphone at home so I can't.

• 1:51:22Chris Ryan?

  Don't have a lot of violently tinged conversations with people in random bars, you know, that are very memorable.

• 1:51:29Bill Simmons?

  Don't tell two escorts exactly what my plans are for the next five days when it includes the kidnapping.

• 1:51:34Speaker 05

  And do it for more than $20,000. Like, that's what they're originally paid. 20 grand each for the whole abduction and everything. It's pretty bad.

• 1:51:42Bill Simmons?

  That was another answer I had is what was Storm Air's, what was his, what was he doing two weeks before this?

• 1:51:51Speaker 05

  Smoking.

• 1:51:53Bill Simmons?

  Bouncer at a bar, like, but like, part-time, driving a snowplow?

• 1:51:58Chris Ryan?

  I think he's been in that state, the like, three packs a day, eight beers a night, probably a girl at the end of it for a long time.

• 1:52:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:52:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:08Bill Simmons?

  Obviously not a great guy because Shep. Knew him from some, from, probably from prison. So maybe he got out of prison.

• 1:52:16Chris Ryan?

  Shep and Carl or Gare? Yeah.

• 1:52:16Speaker 05

  So this, this, this, this is very interesting. Shep vouches for Gare, knows Carl, but doesn't vouch for him. I, I don't understand what their relationship is, Carl and Shep.

• 1:52:27Chris Ryan?

  I think it's just doing prison time with each other. Yeah. I don't, I, oh, I thought Shep didn't know who Carl was. I thought he's like, don't know that guy. Don't vouch for him.

• 1:52:34Speaker 05

  Well, he's lying because the second.

• 1:52:36Chris Ryan?

  Oh, right. Carl's in his house.

• 1:52:37Speaker 05

  Comes in, he says, Shep, what are you doing? I was banging that girl.

• 1:52:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:40Speaker 05

  And they're, they're at his house.

• 1:52:41Chris Ryan?

  Maybe he's just being honest. I don't vouch for him.

• 1:52:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. He maybe, yeah, doesn't like him. I think it's because Shep and Grimzer, they're one of a kind. They don't fucking talk. Like they're very violent, whereas Carl never shuts the fuck up. And I think that's the worst thing you can do as a criminal is keep talking.

• 1:52:55Bill Simmons?

  One of the things I always learned from these crime movies is you're just more likely to commit more crimes after you get out of prison with people you served time with.

• 1:53:04Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:53:05Bill Simmons?

  So really the move is to, when you get out of prison, cut all the ties with the people you're in prison with, because that's where they're gonna look immediately to see if, well, was he in the, wherever?

• 1:53:14Chris Ryan?

  I just think that that's a level of sophisticated planning that would rob us of so many good crime movies.

• 1:53:18Speaker 05

  Also, when you're in prison, like, just don't ever call anybody slick.

• 1:53:21Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:53:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Any sort of nickname, don't really have any traits that people can point to.

• 1:53:25Chris Ryan?

  Say what? Say what? Slick?

• 1:53:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:27Speaker 05

  It changes the whole movie.

• 1:53:29Bill Simmons?

  What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I just want to say I really like the cop jackets.

• 1:53:36Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:53:36Bill Simmons?

  With the, with the fur hoods.

• 1:53:38Speaker 05

  The brown ones?

• 1:53:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I think if you got like a game used for like, what was her, her dumb partner's name?

• 1:53:43Speaker 05

  Lou?

• 1:53:44Chris Ryan?

  Lou.

• 1:53:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:45Speaker 05

  Game used Lou hat?

• 1:53:45Bill Simmons?

  Game used Lou, like, like vest jacket thing?

• 1:53:49Chris Ryan?

  You could do some like walk and talks around LA wearing that. Yeah.

• 1:53:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. When it gets cold, uh, I would also offer a Gustafson Motors sign.

• 1:53:57Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:53:58Bill Simmons?

  Like just have that right over there. Just like a little.

• 1:54:00Speaker 05

  Gustafson Motors here would be really cool.

• 1:54:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Gustafson Motors.

• 1:54:02Speaker 05

  I was, uh, I was really charmed during the Ace Ventura pod, listening to Craig Horlbeck's naivete about isotoner gloves and Dan Marino.

• 1:54:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:09Speaker 05

  That he couldn't wrap his mind around just leisure gloves, because it's a really weird concept. Uh, Carl has driving gloves for the entire movie.

• 1:54:15Chris Ryan?

  It's so good.

• 1:54:15Speaker 05

  With the open knuckles and everything. And I'm like, I think I'm ready to enter a driving glove phase in my life.

• 1:54:20Chris Ryan?

  Driving slippers. As well, that'd be great.

• 1:54:22Speaker 05

  I mean, slippers.

• 1:54:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:23Speaker 05

  I, I want Carl's gloves and I'd like to just drive to like baseball practice.

• 1:54:27Bill Simmons?

  What are the driving, as you know, I love to drive. What are the driving gloves? Is it better grip? Like, what am I getting out of it?

• 1:54:32Chris Ryan?

  I think it's less, less pressure on your hands. So it's like, there's a pat there.

• 1:54:36Speaker 05

  I think it goes back to when there wasn't power steering and you had to really twist the wheel.

• 1:54:40Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:54:40Speaker 05

  I think it's that old school and now I just think it's stylish.

• 1:54:42Chris Ryan?

  Guys who were just like, I gotta drive six hours. My hands are gonna get calfs. I don't.

• 1:54:46Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi were best, worst life lesson. There's more to life than a little money, you know? Don't you know that?

• 1:54:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:54Bill Simmons?

  That's gotta be the life lesson.

• 1:54:55Speaker 05

  I had a Mr. Miyagi worst life, life advice. Uh, the kids like to say this.

• 1:55:00Chris Ryan?

  Twice in a day.

• 1:55:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:02Speaker 05

  Worst. Uh, the kids like to say, oh, shoot your shot. Like Mike Yanagie, don't shoot that shot.

• 1:55:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:07Speaker 05

  Sometimes you don't shoot your shot.

• 1:55:09Chris Ryan?

  Take, take the social cues, Mike.

• 1:55:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:11Speaker 05

  Don't, he even said, I shouldn't have done this.

• 1:55:12Bill Simmons?

  He was deranged.

• 1:55:13Speaker 05

  I know. Linda Cooksey, he was bothering her for a long time.

• 1:55:17Bill Simmons?

  Booth move was fast, but I might have waited 20 minutes.

• 1:55:20Speaker 05

  So, but he had his third drink.

• 1:55:22Chris Ryan?

  Mike's been sitting there drinking Dewar's though. Like maybe he's got a lot of liquid confidence.

• 1:55:26Speaker 05

  It looks like a Dewar's.

• 1:55:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:27Speaker 05

  I saw that.

• 1:55:27Chris Ryan?

  Dewar's feels like a lunchtime at the Radisson drink.

• 1:55:29Speaker 05

  Same color of Dewar's. That's so, I wrote down Dewar's. That's so funny, Chris.

• 1:55:33Bill Simmons?

  I, again, to defend Mike, I think when she picks the place and it's a hotel, I think you think you're ready to roll. She answered the phone in 10:45.

• 1:55:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. She's excited as hell about it.

• 1:55:44Bill Simmons?

  She's dressed up.

• 1:55:45Speaker 05

  Another city with the husband at home. She even says, we've been married a long time in the scene. Like she's a little excited. She wasn't gonna do anything but a little walk on the wild side.

• 1:55:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:55Bill Simmons?

  Best double feature choice?

• 1:55:56Chris Ryan?

  No country.

• 1:55:58Speaker 05

  Eight millimeter.

• 1:56:01Chris Ryan?

  Double.

• 1:56:02Speaker 05

  I want more storm air. I want more storm air. I got it written down. Eight millimeter. Uh, one of the most intense theater experiences I've ever had. Terrified in that movie when he's walking through a machine house.

• 1:56:11Chris Ryan?

  Millimeter with Kyle?

• 1:56:13Bill Simmons?

  I didn't realize you liked the movie this much.

• 1:56:15Speaker 05

  Oh dude, yeah.

• 1:56:16Bill Simmons?

  We'd have to have Van in it too. We're beginning to be able to do four, four person rewatchables again soon.

• 1:56:20Chris Ryan?

  You're gonna have a new, new studio. Men's recovery project of guys talking about eight millimeter again.

• 1:56:27Speaker 05

  I gotta go back and listen to the first millimeter pod.

• 1:56:29Bill Simmons?

  You're gonna see things you won't be able to unsee.

• 1:56:32Speaker 05

  When he's just looking through his fingers at that shit and it's just rolling on him. I love that movie.

• 1:56:37Bill Simmons?

  Hardcore is on Tubi, by the way.

• 1:56:38Chris Ryan?

  What's your double feature?

• 1:56:40Bill Simmons?

  I have a triple.

• 1:56:41Speaker 05

  Oh, great.

• 1:56:41Chris Ryan?

  My god.

• 1:56:42Bill Simmons?

  Raising Arizona, Fargo, No Country.

• 1:56:44Chris Ryan?

  There you go.

• 1:56:45Bill Simmons?

  Every 10 years.

• 1:56:46Speaker 05

  Come on.

• 1:56:46Bill Simmons?

  Checking with the Coens.

• 1:56:47Speaker 05

  Ladykillers.

• 1:56:49Bill Simmons?

  I think they won the movie too. I have them for who won the movie.

• 1:56:51Chris Ryan?

  It's a completely original depiction of the world.

• 1:56:55Speaker 05

  You know what I wrote down? I wrote down Minnesota.

• 1:56:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh, way to go, Kyle.

• 1:56:59Speaker 05

  Pre Randy Moss, pre Joe Mauer, pre Jesse Ventura. This Marge Gunderson was like the face of Minnesota for a while.

• 1:57:06Bill Simmons?

  Early KG. KG's on the team, but they don't know it's gonna be KG.

• 1:57:09Speaker 05

  Rookie year. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like Minnesotans might have a love hate with this movie because maybe that makes fun of them.

• 1:57:15Chris Ryan?

  I think, I think this movie had like the only dip in its popularity was like any kind of feeling that it was mocking the people it was got. And this is a criticism the Coens get sometimes where it's like, oh, they're making fun of the people that they're depicting.

• 1:57:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:57:28Chris Ryan?

  But I don't think that's truth. I just think that they see humor in it, you know?

• 1:57:31Speaker 05

  It's really funny.

• 1:57:32Bill Simmons?

  We're gonna throw to Craig who's not here, but he's gonna, because he's at Indianapolis for the combo.

• 1:57:37Speaker 05

  Oh, gotta be there.

• 1:57:39Bill Simmons?

  He's at St. Elmo's watching the Pat's beat reporter eat shrimp.

• 1:57:46Bill Simmons?

  But Craig's gonna weigh in with his take right here.

• 1:57:49Chris Ryan?

  All right, fellas, what's up? I am in Indianapolis right now. Not really, but at the time of this taping I was. So I'm gonna respond here in my own little solo video. And I gotta say, guys, I know you're not here right now, so you can't respond to me, but guys. Screenwriting's dead because what the Coen brothers are able to do with all of their movies, you almost forget how it used to be and how tight things used to be. I looked it up. The Coen brothers have made one movie that came out in theaters that was over two hours long, and it was No Country for Old Men. Was two hours and two minutes. Outside of that, you look at the 80s, the 90s and the 2000s. Raising Arizona, Blood Simple, Fargo, Burn After Reading, True Grit, Serious Man, all under an hour and 50 minutes.

• 1:58:35Chris Ryan?

  So yeah, it made me realize screenwriting is dead. This is a 98 minute movie and it has everything you need. The length makes you want to re-watch it. The scenes are tight. They do exactly what they need to do and they get out and yet it doesn't feel rushed. It never feels rushed. So I love Fargo. I love the Coen Brothers.

• 1:58:53Chris Ryan?

  I was a film major in college and I always felt like the Coen Brothers were making movies for young people who love movies. And they felt like film made your movies, not in a stuffy way, but in an attainable way. Like everything they do feels real and kind of handpicked. And like you can recreate it and like it makes you want to go out and do your own stuff. So I've always loved the Coen Brothers. Their movies are always slightly off balance. You kind of always watch with your head tilted a little bit. And they're really funny, dark, twisted, funny all the time, all of their movies.

• 1:59:26Chris Ryan?

  Also, one of my favorite things about Coen Brothers movies in general, and specifically with Fargo, is the casting. Everybody in this movie looks like a real human being. Bill Macy, Buscemi, Frances McDormand, all the way down. John Carroll Lynch, who's been in like four of the last five re-watchables we've done, Peter Stormill, and keep going, all the way through. They all look like real people. And I just think that makes such a difference. And it's a little different now, the way that things are casted and half of the side characters we have now have like, need to have 500,000 Instagram or TikTok followers to be casted in a movie so that you can market a little bit more. But they all feel like real people. And the person now who I think is doing that similarly is Tim Robinson, who when you watch a show like The Chair Company, or his movie Friendship or things like that,

• 2:00:12Chris Ryan?

  everyone in those movies feels real. And it's fascinating and to me, it just, it makes you more invested in the story. So I love the Coen Brothers. I love Fargo. I think the scene where both of the guys are having sex in the motel next to one another, followed by the four of them watching The Tonight Show is one of the funniest scenes in movie history. So that is my review, five out of five on Letterboxd. Thanks, guys.

• 2:00:37Bill Simmons?

  All right. Thanks, Craig. I can't believe Craig has a thing for pregnant women. That's so fucking weird.

• 2:00:41Speaker 05

  I respect it, buddy. Respect it.

• 2:00:44Bill Simmons?

  Really hardcore.

• 2:00:45Chris Ryan?

  Send it out to Indianapolis and see what happens.

• 2:00:47Bill Simmons?

  That's it. Well, we did it. CR Month.

• 2:00:49Speaker 05

  Hell, yes.

• 2:00:50Bill Simmons?

  We have two in the books.

• 2:00:51Speaker 05

  How you feel, Chris?

• 2:00:51Bill Simmons?

  We have three movies left.

• 2:00:52Chris Ryan?

  So far, so good.

• 2:00:53Speaker 05

  Good.

• 2:00:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. You know, it's a lot of pressure.

• 2:00:55Speaker 05

  Are the three movies mapped out?

• 2:00:57Chris Ryan?

  We have a couple mapped out. We have three mapped out.

• 2:01:00Bill Simmons?

  We know we're ending the month with LA Confidential.

• 2:01:02Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 2:01:02Bill Simmons?

  And there's two more that we don't know.

• 2:01:04Chris Ryan?

  We're negotiating with each other.

• 2:01:06Speaker 05

  You got Bud White, Chris?

• 2:01:07Bill Simmons?

  It's your call.

• 2:01:09Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 2:01:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we even like dived out of Netflix. We dived out of Netflix for this.

• 2:01:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. So we'll see.

• 2:01:15Bill Simmons?

  Find it on other platforms.

• 2:01:16Speaker 05

  LA Confidential ends the month.

• 2:01:18Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:18Speaker 05

  How about I give you your balls back, you wop cocksucker?

• 2:01:23Speaker 05

  I fucking love Bud White.

• 2:01:26Speaker 05

  I'll be listening, folks.

• 2:01:29Chris Ryan?

  Move me off the stage this day.

• 2:01:31Speaker 05

  Nah, come on.

• 2:01:32Bill Simmons?

  That was watching Gus and Zane back to back.

• 2:01:34Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:01:35Bill Simmons?

  It was just an honor to be here.

• 2:01:36Chris Ryan?

  Gus is so good.

• 2:01:37Bill Simmons?

  I felt like I was at a buffet with Swedish meatballs and chicken fricassee. Thanks to Gahad Eduardo as well. And CR Month will be back next week with a movie we've talked about. I think it's the movie we... Should we just say what we're gonna do next week?

• 2:01:52Chris Ryan?

  What are we doing next week?

• 2:01:53Bill Simmons?

  Well, we were talking about a certain movie that we'd been talking about for a long time that recently became available.

• 2:01:58Chris Ryan?

  Eddie and the Cruisers?

• 2:01:59Speaker 05

  Oh, shit. That's been years.

• 2:02:03Chris Ryan?

  I've just... We gotta do it.

• 2:02:05Bill Simmons?

  Words of music, CR.

• 2:02:08Bill Simmons?

  Thanks, Kyle. Great to see you. Thanks, CR.

• 2:02:09Speaker 05

  Great to be here, Bill.

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• 2:02:41Speaker 05

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• 2:02:49Chris Ryan?

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• 2:02:52Bill Simmons?

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