Pod Insights The Rewatchables ‘Best in Show’ With Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson About this episode The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson love soup, the outdoors, snow peas, and Christopher Guest’s 2000 comedy classic ‘Best in Show,’ with Eugene Levy, Catherine O’Hara, Parker Posey, Fred Willard, Jennifer Coolidge, Jane Lynch, John Michael Higgins, Michael McKean, and Michael Hitchcock.
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1:30 Bill Simmons? The Rewatchables is brought to you by The Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find The House of R with Mallory and Joanna. You can also find us all together on the Prestige TV Podcast doing White Lotus. Yeah, that's right. Every week. It's probably my most fun hour of the week. Aww. We talked about, had a whole stunt penis conversation last time. That was just a delight.
1:50 Speaker 03 I'm having the time of my life. I dreamt of the hand gestures that Mallory. Made it during the last podcast.
1:56 Bill Simmons? Well, Joanna's here. She's in LA for a few weeks. Which means we can stay over for the rewatchables every once in a while.
2:02 Speaker 07 Who had the over under at 45 second mark for Bill mentioning that Joe is in LA?
2:06 Bill Simmons? I just mentioned she's here. And I sent her a li- I sent her, make a list of rewatchables movies. And she mentioned a few of them, one of them, which is Best in Show, Best in Show, a movie that, uh, we all dearly, dearly love.
2:18 Speaker 03 Well, because we're doing White Lotus together, we might as well do Best in Show, which has a couple White Lotus stars in it.
2:24 Speaker 07 And 25 year anniversary, right?
2:26 Bill Simmons? Is that this year?
2:27 Speaker 07 The movie came out in 2000. Look at that.
2:29 Bill Simmons? Great point.
2:29 Speaker 07 Wonderful stuff.
2:30 Bill Simmons? Coming up next.
2:35 Speaker 03 That goal is that Best in Show ribbon. Actually, poodle means puddle in German. You want your busy bee?
2:42 Speaker 00 Come get your busy bee. God, hell with it. If she gets to get it, she's gonna flip out. It's not in here. You left it at the hotel. Go to the hotel and get busy bee. That's my favorite, the miniature schnauzer. You'd think they'd wanna breed them bigger, wouldn't you, like grapefruits or watermelons? Don't look at the fat head losers or freaks. You look at me.
3:04 Speaker 00 He went after her like she's made out of ham.
3:25 Bill Simmons? All right. So I don't know what it says that we've done two rewatchables with Joanna and they've been Crash and Best in Show.
3:29 Speaker 03 That sounds, that's my brain, I think. Sounds right to me.
3:33 Bill Simmons? Okay. Then we've gotta go like some sort of sci fi or, or Marvel or something for the next one.
3:37 Speaker 07 Then you would have to watch a sci fi or Marvel movie.
3:40 Bill Simmons? I really liked Iron Man.
3:41 Speaker 07 You already did that one.
3:42 Speaker 03 You did.
3:43 Bill Simmons? The Mockumentary. The three best mockumentary movies of all time.
3:47 Speaker 03 No, we're using Species.
3:49 Speaker 07 Sheesh.
3:49 Bill Simmons? What do you mean? Oh, Species.
3:50 Speaker 03 Species.
3:51 Bill Simmons? The mockumentary, Spinal Tap, Best in Show and Borat are, have to be in the Mount Rushmore if you're doing it. I think those three have to be in, and then the fourth one is kind of open depending.
4:01 Speaker 07 Well, are you keeping it to movies only? Because otherwise, obviously, it would be The Office.
4:05 Bill Simmons? No, movies only.
4:05 Speaker 07 Movies only, hmm.
4:07 Bill Simmons? I think those three all have to be in.
4:09 Speaker 03 I think, I really like Waiting for Guffman and Almighty Winds.
4:13 Bill Simmons? I would have Guffman as my fourth.
4:14 Speaker 07 I think so too.
4:14 Speaker 03 I would put Guffman in there.
4:15 Bill Simmons? Some people would throw Popstar in there. Some people would do a little Bruno, but I would have Guffman as the fourth. But Best in Show.
4:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:22 Bill Simmons? Which came out in 2000, right around the time when things would come out and then immediately go on DVD. And you could watch them over and over again. And this movie you just jump into and it's great. And Mal?
4:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:34 Bill Simmons? Dogs.
4:35 Speaker 07 I love an animal.
4:35 Bill Simmons? On top of the comedy, dogs. Lots of different dogs.
4:38 Speaker 07 Here's some things I love. I love to laugh.
4:39 Speaker 03 Uh huh.
4:40 Speaker 07 I love cinema and I, I love an animal. It just absolutely has it all. Wonderful.
4:45 Bill Simmons? I was gonna do this later, but what, what's, what's your favorite dog? Out of all the dogs? I'm ready to do this now and just completely blow up the structure of the pod.
4:54 Speaker 07 Great. Let's, let's go Rogue. I really am fond of Winky. It's hard not to be fond of Winky. I love a terrier. But I feel the pull of Hubert.
5:04 Bill Simmons? Winky was a Norwich Terrier, just for the.
5:07 Speaker 07 Yeah. You're gonna go deep into dog breed expertise?
5:10 Bill Simmons? Short legs, it looks kind of like a hedgehog.
5:12 Speaker 03 Honestly, this is like, of the like, star dogs in this.
5:16 Speaker 07 Yeah.
5:17 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
5:17 Speaker 03 It's really between Hubert and Winky, right?
5:19 Bill Simmons? That's how I feel.
5:19 Speaker 03 If you don't want a Shih Tzu.
5:21 Speaker 07 Yeah.
5:21 Speaker 03 You don't want Rapsody.
5:23 Speaker 07 Rapsody is frankly the villain in the movie.
5:25 Speaker 03 Yeah. And you don't want Beatrice.
5:28 Bill Simmons? No.
5:29 Speaker 07 I feel tenderly toward Beatrice and I think that none of this is Beatrice's fault. It's all, obviously, the swans. The two best characters in the history of film.
5:38 Speaker 03 But do you think Beatrice landed?
5:40 Speaker 07 At a like a better home. Yeah, that was one of my my unanswerable questions for later. I I'm like, what is the rest of Beatrice's life?
5:47 Bill Simmons? You don't think they took her to ride on a farm?
5:49 Speaker 07 No.
5:50 Bill Simmons? One way drive?
5:52 Speaker 07 No.
5:54 Bill Simmons? That's what my parents did when I was six.
5:56 Speaker 07 Did they?
5:56 Bill Simmons? Got a dog named Barney. That was just the meanest, angriest puppy.
5:59 Speaker 07 No.
6:00 Bill Simmons? And then one day they're like, we have to bring Barney to see his parents in the farm. Never came back.
6:04 Speaker 07 Barney found a good home. I can't believe they actually used the farm line on you.
6:08 Bill Simmons? I was like, oh, man.
6:09 Speaker 07 No. When did you find out?
6:10 Bill Simmons? Is he happier on the farm? They told me when I was like sixteen.
6:13 Speaker 07 And you're like, wow.
6:14 Bill Simmons? We took Barney back and they probably put him down because he was an absolute sociopath.
6:17 Speaker 07 I thought we were here to laugh today. Fuck, this is horrible.
6:22 Bill Simmons? Sorry. My answer is Hubert the Bloodhound.
6:26 Speaker 07 Yeah, he's great.
6:27 Bill Simmons? Every time I watch this movie, it makes me want to have a bloodhound. And I guess they drool.
6:31 Speaker 07 A lot of drool, Slaver puss, as they call him in the film.
6:34 Bill Simmons? And they're kind of put on earth to do certain things than they're not to live in L.A. And just be in somebody's house would be a waste of a bloodhound.
6:40 Speaker 07 You would have to move to Pine Nut, North Carolina. That's true.
6:43 Bill Simmons? My wife is a big play with the dog's ears person. And the bloodhound, it's like, that's the number one set of ears you would get to play with.
6:50 Speaker 07 Yes, absolutely. Since I am more of a cat person than I am a dog person, I like a small dog that sort of acts kind of cat like. But there is something even said for a huge dog that like, instead of petting them, you like pat them.
7:00 Bill Simmons? Right.
7:01 Speaker 07 And that's that's what they do for for Hubert in this. It's a lot of like, heavy patting on the dog and the dog seems to love it.
7:06 Bill Simmons? Good personality. He's just mellow. His face squishes.
7:10 Speaker 07 I love when Harland's moving his face around. That could be good shot. Gordo, his little face wrinkles. He can say macadamia nut.
7:17 Bill Simmons? Right.
7:17 Speaker 07 Exactly. He can communicate telepathically. That is the most scene I've ever felt in a film when Harland Pepper is just like, yeah, my dog can talk.
7:27 Bill Simmons? Right.
7:28 Speaker 07 Like, we have a conversation. Of course, we have conversations.
7:31 Bill Simmons? He understands.
7:31 Speaker 07 Yeah, he understands. He can communicate. He's trying to convey a deep, meaningful truth. That's how I feel about my cat Halo. That's how you feel about your cat Bug? It's true. How do you feel about all your dogs? Do you talk to your dogs? You you talk to Murph, for sure.
7:48 Bill Simmons? One of the things I like about this movie is it's pretty early on. Pet people are great and weird. The internet was in the early stages. It was one of those things, like especially so with my dad and my stepmother. My stepmother, they were getting golden retrievers since the mid eighties. They gave them human names. They treated them like kids. They had birthday parties for them, all the stuff Mallory does.
8:10 Bill Simmons? They just got a new puppy and had to have an IE human name because that's what the other seven golden retrievers they've had over forty years have. And my stepmother's just super weird, like she's.
8:19 Speaker 07 None of that sounds weird to me at all.
8:21 Bill Simmons? Makes out with the dogs. You know, not make out, but like the dogs just licking your face.
8:26 Speaker 07 What about clothing for the dog?
8:28 Bill Simmons? No, that's, that's the only thing they don't do.
8:30 Speaker 07 They don't do that, even for like warmth out in the winter?
8:33 Bill Simmons? They just kind of, they morph into dogs. And I was always like, man, my stepmother, I love her, but she's really weird with the dogs.
8:38 Speaker 07 But now you do that.
8:39 Bill Simmons? You see a movie like this and you're like, yeah, a lot of weirdos.
8:42 Speaker 07 You maintain an Instagram in the voice of your dog.
8:46 Bill Simmons? Murph, yeah. He's become a threat. Well, he's hilarious.
8:50 Speaker 07 Yeah, I agree.
8:52 Bill Simmons? He's got a lot of comedy in that dog.
8:53 Speaker 07 What about, what about people who have like one breed of dog that they love? And all the decor in their house? I knew a Scotty dog person. I mean, this is sort of winky. Where everything was Scotty dog. They have the winky mailbox, they've got all the terriers. He's got Winky on his hat, which like, that's a great hat.
9:09 Bill Simmons? But you've never, you've never dogged it up though?
9:11 Speaker 07 Uh, we had a dog briefly when I was like very young. Um, but yeah, I love all animals. I'm not like a dog versus cat, but I am a, I am a cat lover. I've had two cats in my life.
9:24 Bill Simmons? But you're a one relationship with a pet.
9:26 Speaker 07 Yeah, I give all I have to give. As you guys know, I have nothing left for anyone else in my life, including my husband. It all goes to Halo.
9:32 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
9:33 Speaker 07 That's it. You guys get a little bit, Adam's got nothing.
9:35 Bill Simmons? We've actually had ringer, high level conversations without Mal and them. Strategy planning for if anything ever happened to Halo. What, what would happen to Mal? Like just what would happen? And we honestly don't know and she doesn't know either.
9:48 Speaker 07 I don't, I don't ever want to know. I hope to never find out. I don't ever want to know.
9:53 Bill Simmons? How old's Halo now, sixteen?
9:54 Speaker 07 He's fifteen and a half and he is thriving. We were, we were a cat family growing up, but when I went to college, my parents bought a dog to like replace me, right? And it was a show dog, a Portuguese water dog, show dog.
10:07 Bill Simmons? Oh my God.
10:07 Speaker 07 My mom became like a show dog person. Whoa, like a handler? Yeah.
10:13 Bill Simmons? Really?
10:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:14 Speaker 07 I did not know that you were gonna have this level of perspective to bring today.
10:17 Speaker 03 Not as a career, but like, she handled the family's dog. Yeah, the Portuguese water dog, yeah.
10:22 Speaker 07 I don't know what a Portuguese water dog is, do you?
10:25 Speaker 03 They're like a heartier poodle.
10:26 Bill Simmons? Look at them. Yeah, they're, they're.
10:27 Speaker 03 Barack Obama had, the Obamas had a, had water dogs, yeah.
10:31 Speaker 07 How wonderful.
10:32 Bill Simmons? The one, um.
10:33 Speaker 03 Well, I mean.
10:34 Speaker 07 Not the replacing part.
10:35 Speaker 03 Not the like, we got, bye, we got a dog, you know?
10:38 Bill Simmons? The one I've always been fascinated by that's always in the dog shows is the Border Collie.
10:42 Speaker 07 Hmm.
10:42 Bill Simmons? Who, which I'm really surprised they didn't have one in Best of Show.
10:46 Speaker 07 Mm-hmm.
10:46 Bill Simmons? Best in, I keep calling it Best of Show for some reason. Uh, Best in Show.
10:52 Speaker 03 Because of all the commands that they can.
10:53 Bill Simmons? Show too. Uh, Best in Show because.
10:56 Speaker 03 Because of all the commands that a Border Collie can do.
10:58 Speaker 07 Yeah.
10:58 Bill Simmons? They're super smart and they're pretty hyper. And we looked into getting one once and, uh, it just.
11:04 Speaker 07 They are cute.
11:05 Bill Simmons? It, it, it's a lot. Like, they, they're ready to go.
11:09 Speaker 07 Mm-hmm.
11:09 Bill Simmons? They're ready to like, yo, let's go outside. You gotta throw me a ball for like an hour.
11:13 Speaker 07 Oh, wow.
11:14 Bill Simmons? Let's do this. So that's why I think a lot of them go in. But anyway.
11:16 Speaker 07 You know what a cat does? It's like, you're reading a book, let me sit in your lap.
11:19 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Oh, no. The cat goes, I might sit in your lap.
11:23 Speaker 07 No. No.
11:25 Bill Simmons? I might.
11:25 Speaker 07 You will earn that love and it will be the most rewarding thing.
11:29 Speaker 03 Some cats don't wanna sit in your lap.
11:31 Speaker 07 Sure. They're discerning.
11:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:33 Speaker 07 It makes it feel all the better.
11:35 Bill Simmons? Dogs are.
11:35 Speaker 07 When you establish a bond.
11:36 Bill Simmons? Dogs have low self-esteem and they just wanna know what you're doing at all times. They're just available.
11:41 Speaker 07 And they're like, can we do it with you?
11:42 Bill Simmons? Cats are like, you're on my terms and I'll decide when, how this relationship's gonna go.
11:46 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm.
11:47 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Um, anyway, the mockumentary.
11:49 Speaker 07 Yeah.
11:50 Bill Simmons? Christopher Guest said, we did an oral history about Best in Show.
11:53 Speaker 07 I know, I read it. Really good.
11:55 Bill Simmons? 2020, which I don't remember, cause as you know, the vaccine, I don't remember anything from 2020.
11:59 Speaker 07 I know that this is the thing you've started saying on the podcast a lot.
12:01 Bill Simmons? Don't remember it. Uh, don't remember anything that happened that year. But Christopher Guest said his mockumentary is about people who don't see themselves very clearly. The audience can see something happen that they don't see. They absolutely take what they do very seriously, whether it's folk music, dog show, whatever. The world is ripe. And at the core of all this, when you see characters Eugene and Catherine play, the Cookie and Jerry Fleck.
12:26 Speaker 07 Icons, yeah.
12:27 Bill Simmons? It's pretty sad. You know, most of it's sad, actually, if you look at it. So he's fascinated and these people are kind of losers, but they're lovable. And there's a lot of comedy that could come out of this, and he did this for four movies.
12:39 Speaker 07 Their caricatures, their heightened versions of a thing that is true, right? Do you think Christopher Guest should make a movie about podcasters?
12:48 Speaker 03 Yes.
12:49 Speaker 07 That would be fucking great.
12:51 Bill Simmons? There's too many of them. I think there's too many podcasters. The thing with the dog show world is it is such a limited weird world. And that, in the last 25 years, though, Westminster, I think, became a bigger cable outlet. And you watch and you're like, man, these people seem weird.
13:06 Speaker 03 But there's like specific strains of podcaster that would be really fun to sort of explore.
13:12 Speaker 07 Yeah.
13:12 Speaker 03 On a deeper level.
13:13 Speaker 07 Yeah, you could have like a guy, for example, called like-
13:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, the True Crime podcasters.
13:16 Speaker 07 The Sports Guy.
13:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:20 Bill Simmons? That'd be great.
13:20 Speaker 03 Okay, should we make a podcast mockumentary?
13:24 Speaker 07 That'd be great.
13:25 Bill Simmons? He also said, he talks about the connection he makes with music and improvising, because he was a big musician. I look at this as a band with great musicians. I mean, everyone has to be able to hold up their part. You cannot have a weak link in that, the whole thing falls apart. So he's really careful about who's in these movies. The sad thing for me is that there aren't more of them. And some of them have worked better than others, but I almost don't know why it ended.
13:50 Speaker 03 Something that like Eugene Levy said in an interview is that, because he co-wrote this and the best stuff Eugene Levy also worked on. And he said, sort of, it felt rote to him after a while, like they had sort of done it. And he didn't want to wear it out, so he didn't want to do it anymore. But like, I feel like I would have a bottomless appetite for this. At the same time, I didn't think Mascots was great, you know? And For Your Consideration was okay.
14:18 Bill Simmons? Wasn't. Maybe, so maybe it petered out.
14:20 Speaker 03 You know, so.
14:21 Speaker 07 I hope that they do feel like the moment arrives when they're ready to retire. Turn? It's one of those things where you crave more, you want more because you love the thing so much. But the logical part of your brain kind of acknowledges that there's, there's value in discretion.
14:35 Bill Simmons? Can I give you another theory?
14:36 Speaker 07 Let's do it.
14:37 Bill Simmons? I think Larry David and Christopher Guest were more on each other's corner than people realized. And Curb kind of became the TV outlet of this kind of stuff. And it was more built around Larry's universe.
14:48 Speaker 07 Yeah.
14:48 Bill Simmons? But all the characters and the way they structured that show, the outline was a little deeper. But it was a lot of improv and it was a lot of people like, you're in this situation, this happens. And a lot of the recurring characters, like Richard Lewis.
15:00 Speaker 07 Yeah.
15:00 Bill Simmons? Was basically the Eugene Levy, right? Jeff Garland is.
15:03 Speaker 07 Yeah.
15:04 Bill Simmons? Whoever, and so he would have his eight to 10 people. Year after year, and then JB Smoove entered the cast and I just feel like that was kind of the cousin of this, of this movie.
15:13 Speaker 07 Curb is a good point, but as Mal mentioned, there's the office, both the UK version, the American version and like Parks and Recreation. Like the whole like Sherverse, Greg Daniels, like all that sort of stuff bites off of this a bit as well. And the British office was just a year after. Yeah. Best in show, right? So then it became like the way that people were making the things that became the monoculture.
15:33 Bill Simmons? But when they did the office, like they had a 16 page outline for this movie and then they just kind of went nuts with it. Like they didn't, they don't do TV shows like that.
15:40 Speaker 07 My favorite thing that I learned from the, the great Ringer oral history that came out in 2028, a year that I do remember despite having the vaccine.
15:48 Bill Simmons? I don't remember.
15:51 Bill Simmons? Was I in LA that year? I don't remember. What happened?
15:53 Speaker 07 The, um, this was like, uh, two things I want to say. One is that this was probably Fred Willard's last interview he ever gave before he died. And so there's like a lot of tribute to Fred Willard inside of that oral history that's really, because he had like just passed away. When it was published, but also, um, the process that you learn about how. Christopher Guest does this, that they shoot it, shot it in 25 days and then he edits it for a year. Yeah.
16:22 Bill Simmons? Right.
16:22 Speaker 07 60 hours, right? That's amazing. That's incredible.
16:26 Bill Simmons? Even beyond how he, they write down every single scene and every single bit and they put it all structurally and then they just start chipping away at it.
16:34 Speaker 07 Yeah.
16:34 Bill Simmons? Like it's a jigsaw puzzle.
16:35 Speaker 07 Yeah.
16:35 Bill Simmons? It's really interesting.
16:36 Speaker 07 Yeah.
16:37 Bill Simmons? And they, they know they're gonna have to lose a lot of good stuff.
16:40 Speaker 07 Yeah.
16:40 Bill Simmons? It's the opposite of our strategy where we just have long podcasts and we don't edit anything.
16:45 Speaker 07 Is that a shot at House of Art?
16:47 Bill Simmons? It's a shot at all of our pods, including this one. We don't do any editing. Christopher Guest slaving away for a year to get a 90 minute movie and it probably could have been, like, there's this whole, there's a whole Parker Posey, just get stoned.
17:00 Speaker 07 Yeah. Yeah, the pills and the weed. I kinda want that cut, honestly. And there's, you have, you have it on DVD. Are there like a lot of good outtakes that are on this?
17:08 Bill Simmons? There's not.
17:09 Speaker 07 No. I feel like he, and I don't know this to be true, but what I've deduced is that he's maybe a like, we do it all. Yeah. We get the 60 hours, the however long, we spend the eight months.
17:19 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
17:19 Speaker 07 And then the, we have whittled the marble into its perfect form. And you don't get to see the dust, the marble dust.
17:25 Bill Simmons? There's a lot of, there's a lot of movie makers who have this philosophy. That they, they're like, look, this is the finished product. If I offer you stuff we didn't decide should be in the movie, it's gonna taint how you see the movie.
17:38 Speaker 07 Yeah.
17:39 Bill Simmons? And there's a reason it's not in the movie.
17:40 Speaker 07 Yeah.
17:40 Bill Simmons? So just watch this.
17:41 Speaker 07 What do you think of that compared to like the Ridley Scott, here's my director's cut approach?
17:45 Bill Simmons? As you know, my theory is 99% of the time, scenes are deleted for a reason.
17:49 Speaker 07 Yeah.
17:49 Bill Simmons? Very rarely do you get like the Boogie Night situation where there's like six or seven like awesome, awesome deleted scenes where you're like, oh, fuck.
17:57 Speaker 07 Yeah.
17:57 Bill Simmons? That would have been awesome if that was in the movie. I think the better the filmmaker is, probably the better their content is. Stuff like this, I'm sure they have another three hours. There was an alternate Anchorman movie.
18:09 Bill Simmons? I think Anchorman 2, there was a whole entire alternate movie of all the takes they had that you can buy, that when you get the DVD, there's a second version of it. So.
18:18 Speaker 07 Do you have, is there a like, a director's cut that you? Do swear by?
18:23 Bill Simmons? There's a couple of ones.
18:25 Speaker 07 Blade Runner.
18:27 Bill Simmons? Boogie Nights is is probably the the standard for me.
18:30 Speaker 07 Okay.
18:30 Bill Simmons? Yeah. There's some good, like, there there was some interesting pulp fiction. Stuff that they cut.
18:36 Speaker 07 Yeah.
18:36 Bill Simmons? Wasn't mastered the same way, but um. You know, but for the most part, it's deleted for a reason. Comedies, you'll see like the outtakes are really funny, like they'll have those like Tommy Boy is really good outtakes. Their movies, they they're not necessarily deleted scenes, but they're hilarious.
18:49 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah, when they're cracking each other up. Yeah.
18:51 Bill Simmons? And I think this had a lot of that, too.
18:53 Speaker 07 Oh, I'm sure. Oh, my god. Can only imagine.
18:56 Bill Simmons? Guest said he got the idea because he was walking his dog near his house. And it was a rescue dog, and he said, a woman with a pure breed of some sort came up to me and said in a fashion, what is that? And he said, it's my dog. He's a mix of this and that. And her expression was one of. Not even that's not acceptable. Basically, that's an awful thing to have happened in the world. I was struck by how bizarre it was. And there we go. Like the the the kind of superiority of the pure breed people.
19:22 Speaker 07 Yeah, the elitist. Yeah, of course.
19:24 Bill Simmons? And then he just became fascinated by the dog show world, and we were off.
19:28 Speaker 07 I I I love to adopt. I believe in adopting. We adopted Halo. We rescued him. What I I do always think, though, that like it can stray into blaming the animal for a thing that is not the animal's fault.
19:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
19:40 Speaker 07 But the people, it's it's obviously a very rich satirical text here to mine.
19:45 Bill Simmons? Hmm. We we we had two rescues in a row, and then Murph was.
19:49 Speaker 07 Yeah.
19:49 Bill Simmons? We got from somebody.
19:50 Speaker 07 Yeah.
19:51 Bill Simmons? Because I was tired of the body language.
19:52 Speaker 07 And he's definitely, he's definitely the best behaved of all dogs.
19:55 Bill Simmons? And he turned out to be worse behaved than both rescue dogs.
19:57 Speaker 07 My parents also bred uh the dog, and they had like puppies. Yeah, the dog that replaced me also, they like did puppies and sold them and stuff like that.
20:08 Bill Simmons? So Levy said, much wider appeal for this movie than the other ones they did, because, quote, people just love dogs. Which makes me wonder, like, because we were always talking about should we have a dog month on the rewatchables? There's just not enough dog movies. You'd have to go into the Marley and Me like kind of area.
20:24 Speaker 03 Must have dogs.
20:25 Bill Simmons? But it feels like there should be one that comes out every year.
20:27 Speaker 03 All of the Air Bud, uh, the Air Bud, uh, you know, complete works.
20:31 Bill Simmons? Dog's Purpose is, is big. Simmons family has a lot of fans.
20:35 Speaker 07 When you made me watch the, the art of racing in the rain?
20:38 Bill Simmons? Another good one.
20:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:39 Speaker 07 You were like, you have to watch this tonight because it's going to come up on rewatchables tomorrow. I believe it was when we were doing draft day and then it did not come up.
20:46 Speaker 03 Homer, Homer Bound, The Incredible Journey?
20:48 Speaker 07 Oh, I used to watch Homer Bound like every.
20:50 Bill Simmons? The one with Paul Walker is good. Is it Snow Dogs?
20:53 Speaker 03 Snow Dogs.
20:53 Bill Simmons? One of those. That one's good.
20:54 Speaker 07 I have not seen that. Is it worth checking out?
20:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:57 Bill Simmons? It's weird that Netflix's algorithm hasn't discovered this yet, that people just like dogs.
21:01 Speaker 03 Man.
21:01 Bill Simmons? They're gonna go on a huge dog run at some point.
21:03 Speaker 03 Somebody is being served a dog's, uh, bar.
21:06 Speaker 05 Eight Below is the, is the Paul Walker.
21:08 Bill Simmons? Eight Below's.
21:08 Speaker 05 But, but Snow Dogs is Cuba Gooding. That one was good too.
21:11 Bill Simmons? Yeah, that one's good too. See? A lot of good dog movies.
21:13 Speaker 07 Well, you can definitely do a month on the rewatchables, even though you're doing Best in Show right now. Look at that. Great news.
21:18 Bill Simmons? This is your favorite one of all the Chris guests?
21:20 Speaker 07 Not even close. This is my favorite comedy, period.
21:23 Bill Simmons? What's your?
21:23 Speaker 07 This is one of my five favorite movies of all time.
21:26 Bill Simmons? What is your single favorite thing about it?
21:30 Speaker 07 Like a moment?
21:31 Bill Simmons? Just everything. Like, your single favorite thing about Best in Show?
21:35 Speaker 07 My favorite thing about it is the absurdity, like that heightened quality of capturing something that seems simultaneously impossible and yet really true to a certain type of life. And that is Christopher Guest's genius, obviously. If you made me drill down beyond it, I would say, so I, I, my dad loves Christopher Guest. Like Christopher Guest bought Dylan, Dylan impression is probably my dad's like platonic ideal of comedy. We saw this together. We watched all of the Christopher Guest movies together. I don't know that the Rubin household has laughed in a heartier and more fervent fashion than watching Cookie Fleck.
22:14 Speaker 03 Try to walk.
22:14 Speaker 07 Try to walk.
22:16 Bill Simmons? The limp?
22:17 Speaker 07 It might be the hardest I have ever.
22:20 Bill Simmons? I don't know how she done it. It's one of the great athletic feats.
22:22 Speaker 03 She said it's something her, like, dad used to do.
22:25 Speaker 07 It's like a funny Walker dad used to do and they all learned how to do it as kids. It just kills me. Yeah. And it's, I mean, Busy Bee is a close second. Like Busy Bee is just a recurring bit of comedy in our house after the movie. I, I, I just, I love it. I love it.
22:39 Bill Simmons? What would be your number one favorite thing about this movie?
22:41 Speaker 07 Um, this is not my favorite Christopher Guest movies. Spinal Tap? Waiting for Guffman is my favorite, just because I did a lot of theater.
22:48 Bill Simmons? I really like Guffman too.
22:49 Speaker 07 Yeah.
22:49 Bill Simmons? Plus it was first and it was so original.
22:51 Speaker 07 Yeah.
22:52 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
22:52 Speaker 07 Um, my favorite thing about this is I like that it's as much a relationship movie as it is. Yeah. You know, because we're like checking in, all these people are like, are they going to be okay?
23:03 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
23:03 Speaker 07 After all this, after everything that happens here, is everything going to be okay? Totally. And it is surprising. What about you? What's your favorite thing?
23:10 Bill Simmons? I have two.
23:10 Speaker 07 Scott?
23:11 Bill Simmons? I think Higgins and McKean are the, I, I can't believe how much joy I get from every moment.
23:17 Speaker 07 Higgins is so good.
23:19 Bill Simmons? If you only saw this movie and you knew nothing, you would think Higgins went on to be one of the biggest stars in the entire world.
23:24 Speaker 07 I know.
23:25 Bill Simmons? Like he's like, oh, this guy was on SNL for nine years, right? It's like, no, not really. He played David Letterman in a movie, did some other stuff and was a character actor.
23:32 Speaker 07 Yeah.
23:33 Bill Simmons? He's so.
23:34 Speaker 07 He's unbelievable.
23:34 Bill Simmons? Every single split second he's in, he's just like alive and those guys are so good together. McKean had some quote, like, they figured out, like, he was the string and Higgins was the balloon.
23:46 Speaker 07 Yeah.
23:47 Bill Simmons? And that's how they kind of did it. And it was like, that's perfect.
23:49 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:50 Bill Simmons? So that, and then Fred Willard is just so fucking funny. Like you can watch this movie 20 times and he, like, I caught this one.
23:56 Speaker 07 He might be my favorite thing, actually. It's hard to pick.
23:59 Bill Simmons? When Cookie's out there and he's like, she looks familiar. Like he's just got, he's just sliding stuff.
24:03 Speaker 07 Single best recurring through line of the movie. That was the, that was the.
24:06 Bill Simmons? That's the other thing that kills me.
24:07 Speaker 07 It's so good. That was the other thing that I thought was so impressive when I read that Ringer post was that they were looking at nothing when they were doing all of that commentary, that they recorded all the commentary stuff in one day. Yeah.
24:20 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
24:21 Speaker 07 And that the, the whole arena was empty and it was just Christopher Guest describing what they would be looking at at any given moment.
24:28 Bill Simmons? And then, so we should talk about that because the English guy was like the straight man that they told him.
24:34 Speaker 07 I love him.
24:34 Bill Simmons? Study as much dog stuff as possible.
24:36 Speaker 07 Trevor. Jim Peddic as the straight man.
24:39 Bill Simmons? Who was only there for one day for the shoot. He had to like film everything in eight hours.
24:43 Speaker 07 Fred Willard is amazing, but rewatching it, I was just like, I was watching Jim the whole time because it was just like, his just micro escalation of frustration and annoyance masked in like British politeness.
24:59 Speaker 07 And like the cameras on, so I have to behave sort of thing. I thought was incredible.
25:03 Bill Simmons? It's, it's the highlight of Fred's career and he had a really fun career, but I think this would be the first thing.
25:08 Speaker 07 So good. I mean, he was parroting this parody on The Bachelor.
25:13 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
25:13 Speaker 07 You know, until months before his death. Like this is just such an iconic, I, I don't know if this is true, but I feel like if you asked a hundred people, what's your favorite part of Best in Show? The majority of them would say Fred Willard. Probably. Like that's like the, right. That emerged and transcended the movie in a way.
25:28 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I agree.
25:30 Speaker 07 And it's, when did, when did Dodgeball come out? Just like a couple of years later? Yeah, just like, like, so just like thinking about the, the, the color commentary comedy bit in both of those movies, I think really had a lot of mileage.
25:43 Bill Simmons? Also, it made more sense in 2000 because there really were announcers, like at least in the vicinity of this guy, like doing baseball games and.
25:51 Speaker 07 No question.
25:52 Bill Simmons? Football games where you're just like, man, is this guy drunk? What's happening to this guy?
25:55 Speaker 07 Good way to judge a woman. Have her run away. He's like, I'm used to, I'm more used to them running away.
26:05 Bill Simmons? The.
26:06 Speaker 07 Oh, God.
26:08 Bill Simmons? The Chris Guest Collection.
26:09 Speaker 07 Yeah.
26:11 Bill Simmons? Which is all these movies, but I went back with him. I didn't really know him until, um, I, I didn't see Spinal Tap till high school. But the first time I saw him was he was on SNL for a year with Martin Short and Billy Crystal. And he was in, when they loaded the cast, they did like the Yankees.
26:26 Speaker 07 Murderers Row.
26:27 Bill Simmons? And he did, um, his two best things was he was on Jackie Rogers Jr., $100,000 jackpot watch and played Rahib. Which was like just this crazy character that was hilarious, but then they did the one that synchronized swimmers with him and Martin Short.
26:41 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:42 Bill Simmons? That was basically
26:43 Speaker 07 That's a classic.
26:44 Bill Simmons? A short version of one of these movies where it was like these two male synchronized swimmers, but Martin Short wasn't a strong swimmer and he had to wear a life vest and they were doing the routines and it was just like, I'd never seen anything like that. So then Spinal Tap was a big eighties high school movie.
26:58 Speaker 07 Yeah.
26:59 Bill Simmons? And it was one of those that nobody saw that in the theater. It was like a belated on cable. It was like, what's this? And it just all of a sudden became a classic.
27:08 Speaker 07 That's a movie that I was quoting for years before I saw it, you know what I mean? Like it was just in the water. Like a proto meme. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Same. And, and of course Princess Bride, he kills in Princess Bride.
27:21 Bill Simmons? Yeah. But then McKean ended up on SNL but replaced in Phil Hartman and it didn't, it just wasn't good. I don't know what it was.
27:27 Speaker 07 It wasn't the right fit for him.
27:28 Bill Simmons? Just wasn't the right thing for him. Yeah. So then this is a big comeback for him. Uh, movie was written by Gustin Levy as be, as Levy, as we mentioned, 10.8 million budget made 20 million. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars.
27:41 Speaker 07 Come on, Rog. Rog. What the fuck, man?
27:44 Bill Simmons? A wickedly funny mockumentary. He did say that.
27:46 Speaker 07 Not enough character?
27:48 Bill Simmons? Built around the improvisational.
27:49 Speaker 07 Well, not every movie can be Crash, Robert, Roger Ebert's favorite movie of that year.
27:53 Bill Simmons? Yeah, he did.
27:54 Speaker 07 It was his favorite movie of that year, is what he said.
27:57 Bill Simmons? He did say the movie is consistently just plain funny and sometimes descends to a kind of crazed genius.
28:03 Speaker 07 Agreed. I would say the whole entire thing, all 90 minutes, crazed genius.
28:07 Bill Simmons? To me, this was a four star. This is a four star. Like the first time I saw it, I was like, this movie's in my life now.
28:12 Speaker 07 No question.
28:13 Bill Simmons? It was an immediate DVD purchase.
28:15 Speaker 07 Yeah, absolutely.
28:16 Bill Simmons? I hadn't seen it for a couple of years and I just, I watched it twice in the last week and I was just fucking laughing and I was laughing at different things during the two viewings. That was what was surprising, anyway.
28:28 Speaker 07 It's a tough one for rewatchables because every single scene is rewatchable.
28:31 Bill Simmons? I know. Let's, we'll take a break and then we're gonna do rewatchable scenes.
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29:35 Bill Simmons? This is tough.
29:36 Speaker 07 Really hard.
29:37 Bill Simmons? I think I structured this correctly, but I also have too many already.
29:39 Speaker 07 This is actually, this is the only thing that's easy for me, actually.
29:42 Bill Simmons? The rewatchable scenes?
29:44 Speaker 07 You didn't write down every single scene? I started to be more disciplined as I got further into the film.
29:48 Bill Simmons? Well, so, we'll start here.
29:49 Speaker 07 Yeah.
29:50 Bill Simmons? The opening meet and greet, because we get Hamilton and Megan Therapy, but then we go right to Jerry and Cookie Fleck.
29:56 Speaker 07 Yes.
29:56 Bill Simmons? So I'm gonna combine those two.
29:58 Speaker 07 Okay.
29:59 Speaker 03 And got myself in a position that wasn't very easy for me emotionally. It's called the Congress of the Cow, where the woman is bent over, the hands are on the floor, and the man is behind.
30:16 Speaker 03 What did she do when she saw you?
30:19 Bill Simmons? She just stood there staring at us. She didn't say anything, didn't say a word. She was doing the Congress of the Cow?
30:26 Speaker 07 Congress of the Cow.
30:27 Bill Simmons? From the dog's side?
30:28 Speaker 07 Got myself in a position that wasn't very easy for me emotionally. It's called the Congress of the Cow.
30:32 Bill Simmons? Did you look up the Congress of the Cow?
30:33 Speaker 07 Not in my work computer.
30:34 Bill Simmons? Okay, but you did look it up.
30:36 Speaker 07 She actually, she describes it. Where the woman is bent over, the hands are on the floor. And the man is behind. Um, I will just say right now, I don't know if I'm picking it for most rewatchable scene. I think this is in the running for best opening scene of a movie ever.
30:52 Bill Simmons? It's pretty, well, the belated shot to the dog.
30:54 Speaker 07 Yeah, you think they're talking, even though you know the movie's about dogs, you think they're talking about a human child who has seen and been scarred by watching them have sex. And then they pan to their sad dog on her chaise. Yeah. At therapy.
31:08 Bill Simmons? Super comfortable. Wine, wine, wine.
31:10 Speaker 07 It's incredible.
31:11 Bill Simmons? Wine murmur?
31:12 Speaker 07 I don't know how to pronounce that. Wine murmur? Even though they say it multiple times in the movie.
31:15 Bill Simmons? Never really liked those dogs. Never.
31:16 Speaker 07 Poor Beatrice.
31:17 Bill Simmons? But then we go right to Jerry and Cookie Fleck.
31:19 Speaker 07 This is iconic.
31:20 Bill Simmons? Who was very popular back then. Dozens of boyfriends.
31:22 Speaker 07 Hundreds.
31:23 Bill Simmons? No, hundreds.
31:24 Speaker 07 Hundreds, yeah.
31:25 Speaker 05 She was very popular back then. She had dozens of boyfriends. Hundreds.
31:32 Speaker 05 Hundreds. Yeah, hundreds. I did not know that.
31:38 Speaker 05 Hundreds.
31:40 Speaker 05 Well, not that, not that, not that I didn't have a reputation myself, uh, because, you know, I was, uh, considered, uh, you know, by some, uh, to, to be quite the Casanova myself. Back at, uh, Ponce de Leon Junior.
31:54 Speaker 07 Hundreds. It's the pan down to the two left feet.
31:57 Bill Simmons? No, but you wait, though. I was considered to be quite the Casanova myself, and then cut to like the ugliest picture possible.
32:04 Speaker 07 With him, like, with the eyes crossed. Oh, my god. Great. He looks like Austin Powers in that picture.
32:08 Bill Simmons? Two left feet, they used to call him Loopy. I don't know how you come up with two left feet. I don't know how much, how stoned do you need to be? Like, what?
32:16 Speaker 07 That's a great, that is actually a great one to drill down on in terms of their creative process. How much is structured and known in advance and how much is improv? Because like, you want to believe they know that because they're working toward Jerry. He's gonna have to be the handler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's gonna have to, he's gonna have to do that little loop to turn Winkie around at the end. They said that. But still. They said that they wrote complex backstories for all of them. So even though they're improvising this movie, they have like the full backstory. They knew exactly what it was like when Cookie and Bulge fucked on the roller coaster. They knew all of that. Bulge was the roller coaster.
32:51 Bill Simmons? Yeah, girl.
32:54 Speaker 07 Cookie Googleman? I love working with you. Cookie Googleman?
32:59 Bill Simmons? I have meeting Scott and Stefan and then right to Leslie and Sheri, where we get there in the grocery store, the meat market. Have one of those pepperoni sticks out. I just wanna hold it. He's just coming out of the gates on fire.
33:13 Speaker 07 You can take the membranes off.
33:15 Bill Simmons? He was a wild man on campus on a Friday night. I'd have three Saturday nights and go home.
33:19 Speaker 07 And then the photo. Another flash to a great photo. Yeah. Sensational.
33:25 Bill Simmons? I don't think there's a single second where they're not hilarious in this movie. Even when they're decorated their hotel room with the.
33:31 Speaker 07 When they brought their quilt.
33:33 Bill Simmons? He's like quietly hammering a quilt into a hotel room wall.
33:36 Speaker 07 And he's got his little bleach tips and like a little ponytail in front.
33:39 Bill Simmons? And he's doing like his.
33:40 Speaker 07 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.
33:42 Bill Simmons? But then we go right to Leslie Ward Cabot doing a Joe Biden impersonation next to Jennifer Coolidge.
33:48 Speaker 07 Wow.
33:50 Bill Simmons? We could not talk or talk forever and still find things to not talk about.
33:55 Speaker 07 We both love soup.
33:56 Bill Simmons? He eventually became blue in Old School. Three years later.
34:00 Speaker 07 This was a.
34:00 Bill Simmons? What a run for him.
34:01 Speaker 07 This is a huge moment for Jennifer Coolidge comedian, right? Like because she had already done American Pie, but like this was a completely different mode and level for her. She's incredible in this.
34:13 Bill Simmons? And everyone always says she was like during the SNL 50 stuff. I think she was one of the people that auditioned and didn't get it where they were like, ah, maybe, you know, she was close. We couldn't get there. She was definitely something. Everybody knew she was something. She knew everybody. She was friends with everybody. And then it just happened.
34:31 Speaker 07 I also love the like web of, you know, Christopher Guest has his stable of actors, but I like that he recruits from like, she does American Pie with Eugene Levy. And Eugene Levy's like, you gotta meet Jennifer Coolidge. You know what I mean? Yes, the degrees of separation collapse onto themselves at some point. And then we get to hear Sheri Ann say, uh, we love snow peas. What a fucking gift.
34:51 Bill Simmons? Will you have me stop podcasting when I get to my Leslie Ward Cabot stage?
34:56 Speaker 07 No. No. No. I think honestly, I think by then, you have to like put the mouse.
35:03 Speaker 07 I think by then you'll just be able to beam a podcast into someone's mind. Yeah.
35:06 Bill Simmons? That'd be great.
35:07 Speaker 07 For hours.
35:08 Bill Simmons? That'd be cool.
35:08 Speaker 07 Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
35:11 Bill Simmons? I have, we meet Christie Cummings. She's just a handler.
35:14 Speaker 07 Yeah.
35:15 Bill Simmons? This is one of my favorite moments of the movie when she lays out the whole family dynamic. How she, she's the taskmaster like, taskmaster like her father.
35:24 Speaker 07 Oh my god.
35:25 Bill Simmons? Her mom's the heart and soul and she was there with unconditional love until my mom committed suicide in 81.
35:30 Speaker 07 Worked for my family.
35:32 Bill Simmons? Just an unbelievable, and then it just cuts to the next scene. Unbelievable. And the two of them together.
35:39 Speaker 07 Oh.
35:40 Bill Simmons? Just great.
35:40 Speaker 07 Perfect.
35:41 Bill Simmons? Like it almost could have been its own show.
35:43 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah. That is-
35:45 Bill Simmons? That could have been an NBC sitcom in like 2002.
35:47 Speaker 07 No question. The, the American bitch spinoff.
35:50 Bill Simmons? Right.
35:50 Speaker 07 I mean, running a publication together with Christie and Sherri Ann.
35:54 Bill Simmons? That's where we hired Mal from. It was American bitch and Sports Illustrated.
35:58 Speaker 07 Exactly. It wasn't horse and house.
35:59 Bill Simmons? It's her first job. Intern in America.
36:01 Speaker 07 One day. That's still the dream. That's still the dream. It is amazing now to like go back because Jane Lynch is such a
36:08 Bill Simmons? Right.
36:08 Speaker 07 indispensable part of our comedic fabric and like, this was early in the Jane Lynch experience.
36:13 Bill Simmons? I never saw her before this movie.
36:14 Speaker 07 No, me neither.
36:15 Bill Simmons? And she did stuff, I don't remember it. But then anytime I saw her after, I was like, Jane Lynch!
36:21 Speaker 07 Yeah, of course.
36:21 Bill Simmons? Best in show. And then when Glee happened, it was not surprising.
36:25 Speaker 07 Yeah.
36:27 Bill Simmons? Well, Jerry and Cookie have dinner with their old boyfriend. I just gotta tell you guys, this is my pick for most rewatchable scene.
36:34 Speaker 07 Is it?
36:34 Bill Simmons? It is.
36:35 Speaker 07 I think this is a really good pick.
36:36 Bill Simmons? And here's why.
36:37 Speaker 07 This is what I, I don't like this sequence. I know.
36:41 Bill Simmons? Can I make the case?
36:41 Speaker 07 Yeah, do it.
36:44 Bill Simmons? Zack the son absolutely kills me.
36:46 Speaker 07 Oh, Zack's great.
36:47 Bill Simmons? Playing with his parachuter, the, the guy openly flirting with her at the table while also talking about how he's the chief hostage negotiator.
36:55 Speaker 07 And head got stuck in the gargoyles.
36:57 Bill Simmons? And then Eugene Levy getting mad and complimenting the wife on her beautiful luscious breasts or whatever.
37:01 Speaker 07 I forgot to compliment you on your luscious melon breasts tonight. How does this sound? My favorite part is that when she's like-
37:07 Bill Simmons? She's kind of pleased.
37:08 Speaker 07 Thank you. Jerry.
37:10 Bill Simmons? But when they end up, when they go outside and the kid's on the shed, it just kills me. And he starts doing his hostage negotiator. Please, honey, this is what I do. Don't be mad at him, please. I'll gouge your left eye out with my- My thumb, I shit you not, you freak. I'm gonna get down here right now. No, you're showing Trump. I'm gonna punch you in the eye till it turns to jelly. Get down here. Don't look at him in the eye. He challenges him. He doesn't like him. I'm gonna stab you with forks until you bleed. How about that?
37:35 Speaker 03 It doesn't surprise me, Mallory, that this is one of your favorite.
37:38 Speaker 07 It's not my pick, but I do, I do love.
37:40 Bill Simmons? This is my pick. I love the kid on the ship.
37:42 Speaker 07 I love Max and Cookie. I think my, again, like, there's just the through line of Cookie's exes being so brazen with Jerry standing right there. Like, obviously, Max is the pinnacle of that.
37:53 Speaker 03 No, but the other, I like, I think I prefer the other ones who just, like, randomly come across them in the wild.
37:59 Speaker 07 Showing up at the, at the party is just like.
38:01 Speaker 03 Or in the recording studio at the end. Like, all of that stuff is really good.
38:05 Speaker 07 Great stuff.
38:06 Bill Simmons? I will stab you with forks until you bleed. How about that?
38:10 Bill Simmons? Do you have any other rewatchables before we get to the pre-show party?
38:13 Speaker 03 My number one is.
38:14 Bill Simmons? No, I have, I have a bunch more, just in the sequencing.
38:16 Speaker 07 Yes. Couple more, couple more that we've passed in the chronology of the film already.
38:20 Bill Simmons? Well, we can go back after. The pre-show party.
38:23 Speaker 07 Yeah.
38:23 Bill Simmons? There's a butch ice sculpture.
38:25 Speaker 03 Yeah. The party's over when it melts.
38:27 Bill Simmons? Someone recognizes Cookie.
38:29 Speaker 07 Yeah, that's our pod counter.
38:31 Speaker 03 Should we do a ringer, a ringer party?
38:33 Speaker 07 Yeah.
38:33 Speaker 03 And do an ice sculpture, and when it melts, the party's over?
38:35 Bill Simmons? We had an ice luge at the 2016 Ringer Christmas party.
38:39 Speaker 03 Did you?
38:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah, back when you still have parties.
38:41 Speaker 07 Boy, yeah. What a night that was.
38:43 Bill Simmons? The mint julep, you were working as a waitress there. You were the best.
38:46 Speaker 07 Yeah. You know, I banged a lot of waitresses.
38:49 Speaker 03 That was, that is so good.
38:51 Bill Simmons? You were the best.
38:52 Speaker 03 I banged a lot of.
38:53 Bill Simmons? But she's kind of a joyer, so you don't forget the best.
38:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, you don't forget the best.
38:56 Speaker 07 Absolutely incredible. But I love how she always keeps apologizing to Jerry, you know? Like, earlier when they went to the Burmese, she's like, who's my future? Who's my future?
39:04 Bill Simmons? I'm with him now.
39:05 Speaker 07 Yeah, so good. Oh, man.
39:07 Bill Simmons? I, I wrote down, they can't find Busy Bee.
39:10 Speaker 07 This is my.
39:11 Bill Simmons? Which Parker Posey performs like she's in a Scorsese cocaine film.
39:15 Speaker 07 I think this is Shakespeare. The Busy Bee, Busy Bee is missing.
39:19 Bill Simmons? Has this been you ever? With, with anything missing with Halo?
39:22 Speaker 07 Um, you know, it's interesting, because, like, Adam and I were rewatching this, and we were, the, the two that we've skipped so far that I would nominate are Meghan Hamilton's swan sharing their two Starbucks.
39:32 Speaker 03 That's my number one.
39:33 Speaker 07 That's just an, I think, unbelievable scene in the catalogs, the catalog conversation.
39:37 Speaker 03 We're so lucky to have been raised among. Catalog.
39:41 Speaker 07 Absolutely remarkable line in the movie. You know, I was such a huge J. Crew person then, too. Still am.
39:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:47 Speaker 07 Incredible.
39:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
39:48 Speaker 07 And then when they arrive at the airport.
39:51 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
39:51 Speaker 07 And they're screaming at each other, like Adam and I were watching this and it's like. This, he's like, who are you?
39:58 Speaker 03 Scenes, scenes from a marriage.
39:59 Speaker 07 Are you Meg or are you Hamilton? But he was just like, this is the experience of, of living with you. And then I think he walked it back a little bit.
40:07 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
40:09 Speaker 07 But that idea of just like blaming each other for forgetting the pet toy, something going wrong, building toward the, the Busy Bee is missing stretch where like Hamilton is completely.
40:19 Speaker 03 Inside the crate.
40:20 Speaker 07 Like he's in a cave into the carrier, looking for the toy. Just unbelievable stuff, unbelievable stuff. It's not in here. It's not in here. It should be in the crate. It's not in the crate. I just told you that. God, Hamilton, she did to get her toy. He's gonna flip out.
40:38 Speaker 07 It's not in here. You left it at the hotel. You go back and you get her Busy Bee. Go to the hotel and get Busy Bee. Run, run, go. Mommy's getting your toy. You go, you go back and you get her Busy Bee. Go to the hotel and get Busy Bee. Run, run.
40:58 Speaker 03 Is it that or is it her with Ed Begley Jr.?
41:01 Speaker 07 Oh, my God.
41:02 Speaker 03 The poor woman who's playing.
41:03 Speaker 07 That scene is where I think Adam was like, just kidding.
41:08 Speaker 07 It's like a little, oh, boy.
41:10 Bill Simmons? The pre-show party also has, um, Harland murdering the, the swans. When he's just telling something long, boring Harland story and they're like. Only drinks like.
41:20 Speaker 03 And then Hamilton asks about his jacket.
41:22 Speaker 07 Yeah.
41:22 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
41:22 Speaker 03 But it was, it was great, like Parker Posey preview for White Lotus.
41:26 Bill Simmons? I thought the same thing.
41:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:29 Speaker 07 Totally.
41:29 Bill Simmons? And then, uh, the you must be very proud Mary joke. Then we get to the show. Fred Willard wants to know why they don't dress up the dog like Sherlock Holmes. He says that whole thing. Not quite a rewatchable, but a little bit anything.
41:41 Speaker 07 Incredible.
41:41 Bill Simmons? Um, all right. This is hard to do the end part, but.
41:46 Bill Simmons? There's a whole Jane Lynch part where she won't wear makeup and they talk about that.
41:52 Speaker 07 Yeah.
41:53 Speaker 03 The Sophia Lauren.
41:53 Bill Simmons? And then she tries to psych out Harland. She's like, oh, look at this dog. She's just like kind of
41:58 Speaker 07 She's intimidated. She's scared.
41:58 Bill Simmons? Little rough, trying to like psych him out. And then it goes right into Fred talking about the shih-tzu. And Stuart is gonna think of shih-tzu on my carry-on. And that's when Trevor's starting to get frustrated.
42:11 Speaker 03 I think that also on the Christie Cummings Jane Lynch front, Michael McKean and John Michael Higgins, their reaction watching it on TV, not even before the kiss.
42:22 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
42:23 Speaker 03 Just sort of like
42:24 Speaker 07 Mocking her outfit.
42:24 Speaker 03 Mocking her outfit.
42:25 Speaker 07 Oil rig.
42:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:26 Bill Simmons? She looks like a cock to which she's like, oh, Rick.
42:28 Speaker 07 Incredible stuff.
42:31 Bill Simmons? Some of Fred's stuff, he trained to be a priest. He shouldn't find out what went wrong there, but that's a whole other show. He's just like ad-libbing all this stuff. He went on that run with terriers about how
42:43 Speaker 07 The terriers, his terrier commentary is on touch, unrivaled.
42:46 Bill Simmons? Some countries, those dogs might be eaten.
42:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:48 Speaker 07 How do they make them, how do they make it miniature? That's the best part.
42:51 Bill Simmons? I said that was a really good question.
42:52 Speaker 07 Is there some way, some process that they use to make them physically smaller?
42:57 Bill Simmons? He has a book idea for women bathing your dogs?
42:59 Speaker 07 Doing it doggy style. Yeah. You come up with the title. I'm not the literary guy.
43:03 Speaker 03 But that's what Trevor's like, they breed them that way.
43:07 Bill Simmons? Would you put Meg buying a bubblebee at the pet store?
43:11 Speaker 03 Incredible. Oh, pet store scene is incredible.
43:12 Speaker 07 That's like historic.
43:15 Bill Simmons? It's not a bee. It's a bear in a bee costume.
43:17 Speaker 07 This is a fish. The way that she, her, the, the quiet rage
43:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:23 Speaker 07 is actually terrifying to witness. And then I love when she selects the multicolored like rainbow rooster.
43:33 Speaker 03 It's a parrot. Yeah.
43:34 Speaker 07 Then he's like
43:35 Bill Simmons? She's just, she's broke. She's broken at that point.
43:38 Speaker 07 It's like a bee of the ones that we have here. Her response to that is one of my favorite moments in the movie. I didn't ask for your opinion. I asked for a toy that you don't have.
43:50 Speaker 03 So good.
43:52 Bill Simmons? It is one of those where you think like she should have at least had an Aubrey Plaza type of career, like she should have led movies and done.
44:02 Speaker 03 Parker's done pretty well for herself.
44:04 Bill Simmons? Yeah, she's been like a, like a character. Yeah.
44:06 Speaker 03 Indie queen.
44:07 Bill Simmons? Indie queen character.
44:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:08 Bill Simmons? But this and White Lotus makes me think like, yeah, there's probably a couple more great roles in there.
44:13 Speaker 07 Capturing that like abusive rudeness of a truly hysterical person.
44:18 Bill Simmons? Maniac, yeah.
44:19 Speaker 07 Is like a, just a.
44:20 Bill Simmons? She kept it a maniac as well as anyone ever.
44:23 Speaker 03 She got actual braces for this movie.
44:25 Bill Simmons? I know.
44:26 Speaker 07 Incredible commitment. Or like you could argue just a perk. It's like I have to have the braces on.
44:30 Bill Simmons? True.
44:31 Speaker 07 To do the movie and then you come out and you got beautiful teeth.
44:33 Bill Simmons? She has a key role in one of my favorite movies that we've already done rewatchables that nobody's seen. Kicking and Screaming.
44:39 Speaker 03 I love Kicking and Screaming.
44:40 Bill Simmons? Yeah, she was the girlfriend.
44:41 Speaker 03 Day Trippers.
44:42 Bill Simmons? Just screaming.
44:42 Speaker 03 Really good in Day Trippers.
44:43 Bill Simmons? Screaming at Skippy.
44:46 Bill Simmons? Couple more.
44:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:49 Bill Simmons? The, uh, the dog attacks the judge and Fred says he went after like she's made out of him.
44:55 Bill Simmons? It's a shame to see that happen, but he's still a champion, even if he's set off in disgrace.
45:00 Speaker 07 Like Shoeless Joe Jackson.
45:03 Speaker 03 Remarkable.
45:04 Bill Simmons? Rhapsody has two mommies. We gotta mention that one.
45:07 Speaker 07 Yeah, great stuff.
45:08 Bill Simmons? More great Higgins.
45:10 Speaker 07 He is, he doesn't have a single miss in the entire, in the entire movie.
45:12 Bill Simmons? He really doesn't. It's a, it's not even a no here. It's a perfect game.
45:16 Speaker 07 It is a perfect game. It is.
45:17 Speaker 03 The makeup is impeccable. His costume.
45:20 Bill Simmons? When he walks out and he's got, he's got the perfect stage thing.
45:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:24 Bill Simmons? They said he was training to be in this movie and actually was in a dog show and handled somebody and won.
45:29 Speaker 07 You can tell he had actually mastered the technique.
45:32 Speaker 03 That he won. He had to like sub in for someone and then he just won the competition.
45:36 Bill Simmons? I was saying that my wife would have been good at this. Cause my wife's a good athlete, but they're like Jane Lynch had that run.
45:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:41 Bill Simmons? You have to have this controlled run where you don't break stride.
45:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:45 Speaker 07 The prance, yeah.
45:46 Bill Simmons? Like there's a certain athleticism that some of them seem to have. Jane Lynch was like great at it, but Higgins was good at too. All right. Um, the final seven, which I guess we can lump together.
45:55 Speaker 07 Final seven. Most rewatchable scenes, the whole movie.
45:59 Bill Simmons? I mean.
46:00 Speaker 07 Yeah.
46:01 Bill Simmons? We get, we get the injury and the limp.
46:03 Speaker 07 This is it. That's my winner. That's my winner.
46:05 Speaker 03 You're gonna show Winky. You have a concussion. You're not making any sense.
46:11 Bill Simmons? You think they know the championship's on the line here? Actual question from Fred.
46:14 Speaker 07 Really good. Trevor's face in response to that.
46:16 Bill Simmons? Am I nuts or is something wrong with his feet?
46:20 Bill Simmons? The proctologist joke? Yeah, I remember you said that last year. Do all the dogs bark the same? Jerry wins.
46:26 Speaker 03 But that's, that's, that's what I love about, about the Trevor character is like, that's his breaking point. That's the meanest he gets.
46:34 Speaker 07 You repeated, you had to gall to repeat your shitty joke.
46:37 Bill Simmons? If you live by the neighborhood and you wear an outfit like that, you better be a hotel doorman. Fred's on just absolute fire.
46:43 Speaker 07 What a leader.
46:43 Bill Simmons? And then Jerry wins. It's an emotional, it's like a real sports movie.
46:45 Speaker 07 It is.
46:46 Bill Simmons? Does this count as a sports movie?
46:48 Speaker 07 No question. It's a literal underdog story here.
46:51 Speaker 03 And they had, they had to win.
46:53 Speaker 07 Yeah, this was like the fucking Chiefs not three-peat-ing.
46:56 Bill Simmons? Shit Craig, this is like quietly sports movie month.
47:00 Speaker 03 I guess it is. Yeah, wow.
47:02 Bill Simmons? We're two out of four. Jeez, gotta come up with two more now.
47:06 Speaker 03 Snow Dogs Left. That's a dog movie and a sports movie. Snow.
47:09 Bill Simmons? Amazing. Rocky, the best, the best.
47:14 Bill Simmons? Six Months Later is our last one.
47:16 Speaker 07 Every single part of Six Months Later is perfect.
47:18 Bill Simmons? It's perfect.
47:20 Speaker 07 Every single part of it.
47:21 Speaker 03 The therapy bookends.
47:23 Speaker 07 Unbelievable.
47:24 Bill Simmons? Is the captain and the cookies beg for it? Would that be in your memorabilia things you'd want?
47:29 Speaker 07 That is, that is my second pick in the memorabilia.
47:31 Bill Simmons? Behind Busy Bee?
47:32 Speaker 07 Behind Busy Bee. Busy Bee is the no-brainer memorabilia pick, but the fact that it's, it's not just Jerry and his little captain's costume and Winky looks so cute and hilarious name they've landed on. It's the fact that it's a cassette tape. Like, it definitely could have been a CD by this point, but it's a cassette tape, which is just the perfect touch, but I would have to pick this.
47:50 Speaker 03 The way that all the musical, I mean, I know they started with Spinal Tap, but the way that all the musical stuff in here feels like an audition for A Mighty Wind, uh, which is another perfect film.
48:00 Bill Simmons? The song's like, dun, dun, dun, dun, bow wow!
48:06 Speaker 03 Mallory's like, don't try me, I've got the lyrics.
48:08 Speaker 07 Some dish! Bow wow! Delish!
48:15 Speaker 07 Fantastic.
48:16 Bill Simmons? And then, of course, the studio legendary Nose Cookie.
48:19 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah.
48:20 Bill Simmons? I'm not wearing underwear.
48:23 Speaker 07 So good. His name being Bulge.
48:27 Bill Simmons? You've grown. I'm grown right now, girl.
48:30 Speaker 07 And then Jerry's just like, that's it. That's it for me. I'm grown right now, girl.
48:34 Bill Simmons? And it's like, we can't do any better than this. It's like now, we're actually gonna launch American Bitch Magazine now.
48:39 Speaker 07 Oh, my god.
48:39 Bill Simmons? Here we go. Focusing on the issues of the lesbian dog breeder.
48:44 Speaker 07 Yeah.
48:44 Bill Simmons? And then Higgins and McKean are like, no, we're gonna top that one. We're doing photo shoots of dogs in old famous movies.
48:50 Speaker 07 Maybe that's the one.
48:51 Bill Simmons? Spent a lot of.
48:52 Speaker 07 The Casablanca one is my favorite. Yeah, that's really good.
48:54 Bill Simmons? And then we end back in the therapist's office with Kipper doing some leg humping.
48:59 Speaker 07 Yep. And now they're wearing colorful. They're wearing monochromatic. A lot of bright, ringer green in their outfits. I have an observation from your run through of most rewatchable scenes.
49:09 Bill Simmons? I mean, I just basically did the entire movie.
49:11 Speaker 07 You did it very light on Harlem Pepper.
49:13 Bill Simmons? I sure did.
49:14 Speaker 07 Yeah. That stands out. Tell me. Tough.
49:17 Bill Simmons? And we can get to that later.
49:18 Speaker 07 Okay. Oh, my god. Okay. Sheesh. Is it because you have a ventriloquism issue?
49:24 Bill Simmons? No. We can get to it later. So your most rewatchable was?
49:29 Speaker 07 I am.
49:30 Bill Simmons? Busy Bee?
49:30 Speaker 07 I'm so torn between Busy Bee and Cookie's Injury. I think I have to pick the spirit of most rewatchable scene. I don't think I'm constitutionally capable of looking away if I know we're about to see Cookie.
49:42 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
49:43 Speaker 07 I just, I think that has to be the pick.
49:45 Bill Simmons? Why didn't Cookie's Injury become like one of the best Twitter memes to use anytime somebody had like a dumb injury in sports?
49:52 Speaker 07 Great question.
49:53 Bill Simmons? I don't know what we're doing. Yeah, it's not too late. I don't know what we're doing. Joe, what do you have?
49:57 Speaker 07 It's the Starbucks. It's, it's. Fantastic. And the catalogs.
50:01 Bill Simmons? So ironically, that's what I had for my most 2000 thing about this movie.
50:05 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah.
50:05 Bill Simmons? That entire scene. People.
50:07 Speaker 07 Catalog.
50:08 Bill Simmons? Being excited about how they met in a Starbucks over the course of a couple of weeks.
50:11 Speaker 07 Yeah.
50:12 Bill Simmons? Being big L, being catalog guys and feeling lucky to be raised along catalogs.
50:16 Speaker 07 Amongst catalogs.
50:18 Bill Simmons? And now we. Do we have catalogs?
50:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:22 Speaker 07 Yes. Didn't they have a little bit of a comeback?
50:25 Speaker 03 I, I don't know.
50:26 Bill Simmons? I only get carted like the catalogs.
50:28 Speaker 03 To me, but like sometimes if I order something online, then all of a sudden I will get the catalog for the thing.
50:32 Bill Simmons? I only get like ones for like sports auctions. It'd be like new Lou Gehrig jersey collection available.
50:39 Speaker 07 Have you ever ordered something from a catalog?
50:40 Bill Simmons? No.
50:41 Speaker 03 Nope.
50:41 Speaker 07 Okay.
50:42 Bill Simmons? Not recently.
50:42 Speaker 03 Have you ordered something from a catalog?
50:44 Speaker 07 Not recently. Back, back in the day.
50:45 Bill Simmons? Back in the days, yeah.
50:46 Speaker 07 My mom, like the Swans, used to have a catalog.
50:48 Speaker 03 And you give the like, the number of the item you want?
50:51 Speaker 07 Yeah, exactly.
50:52 Bill Simmons? What's age the best? Macumenteri movies?
50:55 Speaker 07 No question. Just as an art form.
50:56 Bill Simmons? Why are there more of them?
50:57 Speaker 03 As a genre, yeah.
50:58 Bill Simmons? Craig, what the hell is wrong with your generation? Why aren't there more macumenteri movies? Well, I, you know, the Apatow era was very improv heavy. It's not macumenteri, but I think they like evolved from probably the Christopher, Christopher Guest stuff a little bit. Also, it's, it's honestly really hard. I think there's not more of them because it's genuinely hard to pull off of like a 90 minute improv movie. Most improv sucks. Can I summarize that? Craig just said my generation is cowards.
51:26 Speaker 07 When do you think that Craig, a married man who is a manager at this company and is in his 30s, will stop having to speak on behalf of all young people?
51:33 Bill Simmons? He's 30. He's not in his 30s. He just turned 30. Right. I'm basically 29.
51:37 Speaker 07 Okay, you're holding on to it. Okay.
51:39 Speaker 03 Okay, you want it. You want that.
51:41 Speaker 07 All right. I have one foot in the grave personally, so.
51:44 Bill Simmons? Actually, you guys do some what's age the best and I'll do my end at the end. What do you got, Joe?
51:49 Speaker 03 Honestly, just everything?
51:51 Speaker 07 Yeah.
51:51 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
51:52 Speaker 03 I mean, I know that's like a bullshit answer, but I just couldn't single anything out because the whole movie's perfect.
51:57 Bill Simmons? It doesn't feel dated at all.
51:58 Speaker 03 No.
51:59 Speaker 07 No. This is the second rewatchables in a row for me where what's age the best was basically everything and what's age the worst and picking this. Two categories I normally love and have a lot of fun with were nearly impossible.
52:09 Bill Simmons? I didn't have any.
52:09 Speaker 07 Before Sunset and this. It's just like, I don't know. And these are perfect movies that if we watch them 2,000 years from now, we would say are perfect movies.
52:17 Speaker 07 Macumenteri as a form was my top one as well. I think you already said this, but parodying crazy pet people, like we're in the era of, you know, the.
52:26 Bill Simmons? Social media is taking it to a whole other level. You can't even parody it anymore. Like, social media is pet people.
52:31 Speaker 03 I think it also just like launched people's interest in dog shows in general.
52:36 Speaker 07 Yeah.
52:36 Speaker 03 You know what I mean? The way that like Spelling Bee documentaries launched that, you know.
52:41 Bill Simmons? And like rounders and poker?
52:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:44 Speaker 07 Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy as a comedic duo. I think that's a real what's aged the best. Obviously, everybody in the movie, their comedic brilliance holds up. But I'm wearing my Schitt's Creek sweatshirt today. And like, we have been so fortunate to spend so many years in so many different properties with them.
53:00 Bill Simmons? Going back to SCTV.
53:01 Speaker 07 Yeah. And it is just this like, really rare thing where it's, you can act, trust is hard to build and maintain. But you can trust in the two of them together in something. And like revisiting that is just like such a gift. And I think that the roses from Schitt's Creek, they're modern icons, but it's tough to top the flex. It really is tough to top the flex. I think also the swans really aged well as a, you know, the cruelest caricature maybe in the film.
53:32 Speaker 03 A yuppie examination.
53:34 Speaker 07 Yeah, exactly. Scott aged well. The Odd Couple Broadcast Booth, that's a real what's aged the best.
53:40 Bill Simmons? It feels like it's been ripped off in other movies.
53:41 Speaker 07 Yeah. Yeah. You know what else aged the best, Bill? Rhapsody Losing.
53:46 Bill Simmons? Yeah, true.
53:48 Speaker 07 Right?
53:49 Bill Simmons? It's like the Patriots in 07 and the Giants favorites.
53:54 Speaker 07 You said it, man.
53:55 Bill Simmons? I have what's aged the best, just Busy Bee being this toy that dominates everybody's life. It's hilarious.
54:02 Speaker 07 So good.
54:03 Bill Simmons? A dog on a treadmill, I think is now a real thing.
54:05 Speaker 07 Yes, correct.
54:06 Bill Simmons? I think that aged the best, just in general. Eugene Levy's weird teeth commitment.
54:10 Speaker 07 Oh, my God.
54:11 Bill Simmons? Just like how far he'll go. He'll go like cross-eyed for 10 minutes. So weird, like crazy things in his teeth. I have for what's aged the best, the Spinal Tap callback by Ed Begu Jr.
54:22 Speaker 07 Yes.
54:22 Bill Simmons? About the rock being trashed in their room and roasting.
54:24 Speaker 07 They didn't know, they didn't know there was a toilet in the room.
54:26 Speaker 03 Ed Begu Jr. is so good on this.
54:27 Speaker 07 He's real great.
54:28 Speaker 03 He's so good on this.
54:29 Speaker 07 He's trying to sell the utility closet as like a comfortable place to stay for 48 hours.
54:34 Speaker 03 Well, the kitchen's right next door, so don't worry about it. It's fine.
54:36 Bill Simmons? The AM Philadelphia guy, when they're about to go live, he goes, "Energy."
54:40 Speaker 07 Yeah.
54:40 Bill Simmons? I thought that was good.
54:44 Bill Simmons? Brockworth and Shalalies paging Dr. Freud. I don't know why that's so funny.
54:49 Speaker 03 Scott.
54:50 Bill Simmons? Uh, annoying coffee orders, which this movie ties into, but now literally everyone has an annoying coffee order. But they're, the swans are talking about.
54:58 Speaker 07 Grande espresso. And I thought that was really sexy. Yeah, so I, and her face when he's like, because I'm like, doesn't. And she's like, yeah, you are. Yeah.
55:06 Bill Simmons? And then, um, Posey said this in neural history about Willard. Seeing him and waiting for Guffman, just smoking a cigar in a folding chair, looking out in the empty street and just coming up with brilliant, funny stuff. I'm in awe. We would all just sit and watch him and just double over. He had pages of legal pad of just bits. I have another thing. I have another thing. I think he's one of those rare guys that people, he was just like a comedy fountain.
55:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
55:28 Bill Simmons? Near around him, which is a.
55:30 Speaker 07 And this, and this is what he does best.
55:32 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
55:32 Speaker 07 Oh, my God. Like, does better than most people, and it is the thing that he does the best. Yes.
55:37 Bill Simmons? I didn't have a great Shaq Gordo award unless you guys have one.
55:40 Speaker 03 It's not a cinematic.
55:42 Bill Simmons? It's not a, it's, yeah, it's documentary.
55:44 Speaker 03 But I will say the, like, zoom in on, uh, on Jennifer Coolidge and Jane Lynch during this moose. Yeah, that's a great mockumentary moment.
55:53 Speaker 07 Through TV with Scott and Seth.
55:55 Speaker 03 And the camera's catching it.
55:55 Speaker 07 That's my pick as well. Yeah.
55:57 Bill Simmons? What do you have for Big Kahuna Burger Award? Best use of food and drink? Cause I have her complimenting the food as being like cafeteria food.
56:03 Speaker 07 That is also my pick.
56:04 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
56:05 Speaker 07 I know it tastes better, but it looks like cafeteria hot plate food. It's either that.
56:09 Bill Simmons? Definitely an insult.
56:09 Speaker 07 It's either that or the popcorn. Oh, popcorn, right?
56:11 Speaker 03 Or I would say the, like, whatever frozen yogurt thing that Jennifer Coolidge is eating at the end when they're talking about American bitch. That she's just sort of like, they're in an interview and she's just like going to town on this pro yo.
56:21 Speaker 07 Yeah.
56:21 Speaker 03 Um, or the meat counter scene. I know you guys already talked about it, but that, you know.
56:26 Speaker 07 Wonderful stuff.
56:27 Bill Simmons? Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. That's probably the answer.
56:29 Speaker 07 Poor Randy the butcher. My God.
56:32 Speaker 03 Randy was not enjoying it.
56:33 Speaker 07 No, he was not. I think the thing about the, the extra large bucket of popcorn is just the specificity of half butter, half salt. Half butter, half salt is really amusing.
56:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:43 Bill Simmons? Keep Cuddy Pursued Happening, so our best needle drop. It's one of the two songs. Would you go Terry or song or the other song?
56:48 Speaker 07 I love God knows the Terry.
56:51 Speaker 07 Small, sturdy, bright and true.
56:54 Bill Simmons? The one lady's tearing up. She's really getting emotional.
56:57 Speaker 07 Yeah, they're so moved.
56:58 Bill Simmons? Chess Rockwell Brock Lenders Award for best character name. Stefan Vanderhoof?
57:04 Speaker 07 It's Harland Pepper!
57:05 Speaker 03 It's Bold.
57:06 Speaker 07 And Bold is my runner up, but.
57:08 Bill Simmons? You wouldn't go Stefan Vanderhoof?
57:10 Speaker 03 Also.
57:11 Speaker 07 Harland Pepper is incredible.
57:13 Speaker 03 We haven't mentioned Bob Balaban, and I would say Theodore W. Milbank III is pretty good.
57:18 Bill Simmons? That's pretty.
57:19 Speaker 07 And we have to do a human and a dog. We have to pick both because of the nature of the movie.
57:22 Speaker 03 Oh, it's Rapsody and White.
57:24 Speaker 07 Rapsody and White slash.
57:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's Rapsody and White, obviously.
57:27 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
57:27 Speaker 07 Yeah. Harland Pepper kills me.
57:29 Bill Simmons? Yeah, a dog with two different names is great. All right, Joanne, you have a flex category.
57:34 Speaker 03 Okay, mine is, uh, it's a book about medals of war, politically best quote or exchange. This is just like slid in the backstory when we're first meeting, um, Michael McKean's character. And he says, I was a hairdresser about 14 years and I went to a show and I saw his nibs here having his way with a borzoy and I asked my ex-wife, who is that? And she said, that's Scott.
57:57 Speaker 03 I was hairdresser for 14 years. I asked my ex-wife, who is that? That's Scott.
58:03 Bill Simmons? It's rich. Lot of context.
58:05 Speaker 03 A lot in one line.
58:07 Speaker 07 That's a great pick. Great pick.
58:10 Bill Simmons? Butch's girlfriend award for the weak link of the film. You don't have to pick. You don't have to pick a weak link.
58:14 Speaker 03 Okay, great.
58:16 Speaker 07 Do you have one?
58:18 Speaker 03 You think it's Christopher Guest as Harland Pepper?
58:21 Bill Simmons? I don't.
58:21 Speaker 03 You don't want to say it.
58:22 Bill Simmons? Harland Pepper doesn't make me laugh.
58:24 Speaker 07 I, I, yeah.
58:25 Bill Simmons? It's, it's not quite fast forward over him, but I, I kind of get the joke immediately.
58:31 Speaker 07 Yeah.
58:31 Bill Simmons? And it's a lot of work.
58:33 Speaker 03 I think the nut monologue is really good when he's just naming nuts. I think that's really funny.
58:38 Bill Simmons? Back and just put more of Higgins and McKean in it.
58:41 Speaker 07 The ventriloquist stuff is, is my least favorite of any of like the prominent.
58:45 Speaker 03 Correct.
58:46 Speaker 07 Cast members.
58:46 Bill Simmons? Cause it's funny, cause in Guffman, he's the funniest guy in Guffman.
58:50 Speaker 07 Yeah.
58:51 Bill Simmons? And then in this, I almost think he was trying to zag really super hard the other way. And, and I just remember even the first time I saw this movie, I remember being like. Huh.
59:01 Speaker 03 But I just love so much that he's like matching the bloodhound energy, that he's just like a human bloodhound.
59:05 Bill Simmons? Well, the accent's great too. I like this too, buddies.
59:08 Speaker 07 What do we, what do we think, like the rat lifts think of his accent? You know, have the rat lifts ever made their way to the fish hole in North Carolina? I have a lot of affection for Harland Pepper for a couple of reasons. One, the, again, like, we're watching the swans scream and scare their dog and like, Harland Pepper has such love in his heart for Hubert. When we get to see the photo album full of the little baby puppy photos of Hubert, that's so cute. And he calls him, he doesn't just call him loyal, he calls him noble. I just love that.
59:44 Speaker 03 Do you think he comes back and wins a couple of years later, as was predicted?
59:48 Speaker 07 Yes, I think no question. And that's kind of, I think, a necessary.
59:52 Bill Simmons? So that cat Rufus is still my screensaver.
59:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, bunny.
59:56 Bill Simmons? He's not alive anymore.
59:57 Speaker 07 Rufus.
59:58 Bill Simmons? He just dropped dead one night.
1:00:01 Bill Simmons? I don't have any What's Age the Worst.
1:00:03 Speaker 07 I had to try really hard to come up with a couple.
1:00:04 Bill Simmons? I really like every part of this movie and I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know where you go.
1:00:12 Speaker 07 I got one.
1:00:13 Bill Simmons? Okay, let's hear it.
1:00:14 Speaker 07 Well, actually too, I had the Harland's ventriloquist to act as one.
1:00:19 Speaker 07 Uh, this is so minor, I was really grasping for something here, but we have a couple of interstitials with the Mayflower brass, your aforementioned Mr. Milbank III. Graham Chisholm, I, even though it's only a few total scenes, I don't want any time going to those characters.
1:00:38 Bill Simmons? Yeah, that's fair.
1:00:39 Speaker 07 Like, I think more time with the Fab Five, the curtain raising and all that. That's kind of it, though. Like, I would rather, the Taft Hotel stuff is all great. So I think there is value, you know, all of our time with, with, with the hotel manager Schaefer is wonderful. I think there's value in being with somebody other than the dog handlers and owners. But like, maybe give us the judge, give us a judge as a character, you know? What does Everett Bainbridge actually think? That's kind of it, though. It's really hard to think of too many other things here. Did you have?
1:01:09 Bill Simmons? I could have spent more time at the, at the party with the melting ice thing.
1:01:13 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:01:14 Speaker 03 Party was great.
1:01:14 Bill Simmons? Could have been two more minutes there.
1:01:16 Speaker 03 I'm sure there was Everett Bainbridge, who you mentioned is played by the legend Don Davis. And I'm sure there's stuff with him that they cut, because why else do you cast him to just be in the distance for a part of the movie?
1:01:28 Bill Simmons? Ruffalo Hannah Ruben Parkage over acting award. I think Hamilton cruises to the win here for, I think he dials it up the most.
1:01:36 Speaker 07 Hitchcock?
1:01:36 Bill Simmons? You go get Busy Bee!
1:01:37 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:01:38 Bill Simmons? You go get him!
1:01:38 Speaker 07 Run!
1:01:39 Speaker 03 Hitchcock is not my favorite in this.
1:01:42 Bill Simmons? I have some other thoughts for him.
1:01:44 Speaker 07 Oh, interesting. Okay. That's my pick as well, but I think again, not as a demerit because dialing it up, you know, to 99 on a, we're normally operating on a one to 10 scale is sort of the point of the swans.
1:01:54 Speaker 03 He's also navigating, so Parker Posey got actual braces. He got like special retainers made and so he's talked about how he was like trying to not lisp around the retainers he had for his adult braces. So I feel like I've seen Hitchcock be better in other things.
1:02:08 Bill Simmons? Uh, we're gonna take a break and then do Mallory's flex choice.
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1:03:13 Bill Simmons? All right, Mallory, your flex choice is?
1:03:16 Speaker 07 I hope, I hope he's doing, did this movie have a porn parody? (laughing).
1:03:20 Bill Simmons? Did it?
1:03:21 Speaker 07 I don't know, but I'd like it to, and it should be called Best in Blow. And.
1:03:27 Speaker 03 Not American Bitch.
1:03:29 Speaker 07 American Bitch, also a great, maybe it can be an entire franchise.
1:03:32 Speaker 03 Not Breast in Show.
1:03:33 Speaker 07 Breast in Show, also a great one. I think this is just proof that we need the porn parody. Best in Blow is, of course, a Philadelphia convention for oral sex. And.
1:03:44 Bill Simmons? Why'd you say, why'd you say, of course? I didn't know that.
1:03:47 Speaker 07 Sex technique. And the great news is, much like the Mayflower Dog Show, both of these can be, in part, about grooming. Grooming technique.
1:03:57 Speaker 03 And also Cookie wins both.
1:03:58 Speaker 07 Cookie definitely wins both, no question.
1:04:00 Bill Simmons? Best in Peep Show?
1:04:02 Speaker 07 Also strong.
1:04:03 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:04:03 Speaker 07 Also strong. Press.
1:04:04 Bill Simmons? Craig, don't go on your work computer.
1:04:08 Bill Simmons? You just made me think that AVN, the, when they have that porn weekend.
1:04:13 Speaker 07 Uh huh.
1:04:13 Bill Simmons? It's like the convention.
1:04:14 Speaker 07 Yep.
1:04:14 Bill Simmons? I went to it because we shot a segment for Jimmy Kimmel Show when I was a writer.
1:04:19 Speaker 07 Yep.
1:04:19 Bill Simmons? And that could have easily been a Christopher Guest world.
1:04:23 Speaker 03 Why isn't it? Or, like, there is still time. I mean, I know he made mascots, but why is a furry convention not been made into a Christopher Guest movie?
1:04:31 Speaker 07 You know?
1:04:32 Bill Simmons? I don't have an answer for you. I didn't have in the rundown, the Mallory Rubin Award for did this movie need a better sex scene? Because there is no sex scene.
1:04:42 Speaker 07 No, I mean, I guess.
1:04:42 Bill Simmons? But it's also a PG movie. I don't, a sex scene would have been weird.
1:04:45 Speaker 03 You don't want to see the swans.
1:04:46 Speaker 07 That, that would be the, the pick is like.
1:04:48 Speaker 03 More athletic.
1:04:49 Speaker 07 Yeah, the swans going through the Kama Sutra.
1:04:51 Bill Simmons? Where she's smoking pot and we get a sex scene with them that I don't know if it's better or worse.
1:04:54 Speaker 07 Yeah, that's how we meet Kipper at the end, is like, they're actually workshopping a new page in the Kama Sutra, and then we pan to Kipper who's like, you're crushing it, mom and dad. The other thing for.
1:05:02 Bill Simmons? Congress, Congress of the cow.
1:05:04 Speaker 07 That's old hat now. The other thing would, of course, be like flashbacks to all of Cookie's sexual exploits.
1:05:10 Speaker 03 Actually, I think that would have been great.
1:05:11 Speaker 07 That would have been sensational.
1:05:12 Speaker 03 Cookie on the roller coaster? You don't even have to make it explicit, just sort of like, yeah.
1:05:17 Speaker 07 That would have been wonderful.
1:05:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:20 Bill Simmons? The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.
1:05:24 Speaker 07 This is hard.
1:05:24 Bill Simmons? If you don't have one, you don't have one.
1:05:26 Speaker 03 Okay, we feel of two minds about this, but like, what if this had been? A TV show instead. What if this had been a mini series?
1:05:34 Bill Simmons? I went further. Did Chris Guest leave like 200 million dollars on the table?
1:05:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:39 Bill Simmons? He had this.
1:05:40 Speaker 03 He had the footage.
1:05:41 Bill Simmons? Curb, The Office, all this stuff. What if he had just gone dog show, TV, sitcom? Or HBO? Cause HBO's around in 2000.
1:05:49 Speaker 03 I mean, because like every year, there could be new contestants in. That's right. The dog show. Now, would it have worn out as welcome possibly? And is it good that we have this like 90 minute perfect jewel?
1:05:59 Bill Simmons? So my only thing with that is I think Cookie and Jerry have to be in it every year. And I think.
1:06:03 Speaker 03 Agreed.
1:06:04 Bill Simmons? I think Stefan and uh, who's?
1:06:06 Speaker 03 Scott, Scott.
1:06:07 Bill Simmons? Who did Higgins play? I think they have to be in it every year. Maybe everyone else changes.
1:06:10 Speaker 03 Scott and his kimono.
1:06:11 Bill Simmons? Oh, I guess Coolidge and Jane Lynch have to be in it too.
1:06:14 Speaker 03 That's the thing. So everyone, oh, everyone but Harland Pepper.
1:06:17 Bill Simmons? Harland Pepper is just somebody else the next year.
1:06:19 Speaker 03 Just hold the pepper.
1:06:20 Bill Simmons? Yeah, maybe hold the pepper.
1:06:22 Speaker 03 Okay. Harland Pepper.
1:06:23 Bill Simmons? But yeah, it does feel like there was. I mean, I'm sure these movies that are right, this movie made 20 million, so it made some money back. But there was some giant TV idea with this world.
1:06:31 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:06:32 Bill Simmons? All these people he had access to.
1:06:34 Speaker 03 No question.
1:06:34 Bill Simmons? Casting what ifs, couldn't find anybody.
1:06:36 Speaker 03 Neither could we. Nope.
1:06:37 Bill Simmons? So best that guy award, there's a bunch of them in here.
1:06:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:06:42 Bill Simmons? The guy who plays Leslie Ward Cabot, who's also blue and old school. I did not know his name. I had to look it up and he's an all time that guy. His name is Patrick Cranshaw. And I don't know how you top it.
1:06:54 Speaker 03 I was gonna throw out Malcolm Stewart, who plays Malcolm. One of Cookie's many flings. What about Rachel Harris, who's like been in like The Hangover and a bunch of stuff? And has like a tiny role in this as like. That's a good one. As their friend at the backyard barbecue.
1:07:09 Bill Simmons? I didn't even notice her in that. Oh shit, that's a good one.
1:07:11 Speaker 03 Yeah. I like that one.
1:07:13 Bill Simmons? And Bob Bowden's Bob Bowden. It's like he's not.
1:07:16 Speaker 03 Don Davis, who we mentioned, who was like one of the judges is like. Famous from Twin Peaks. He plays Scully's dad on X-Files. Like he's, he's been around.
1:07:26 Bill Simmons? This movie is all that guys and that girl.
1:07:28 Speaker 03 That's, that's.
1:07:29 Bill Simmons? Cause like Larry Miller, the one who's son goes on the shed. He's kind of Larry Miller, but he's also a really good that guy.
1:07:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:35 Bill Simmons? Dion Waiters award. Larry Miller's one of them.
1:07:38 Speaker 03 That's, that's the pick. Max Berman.
1:07:41 Bill Simmons? I'd like to also offer you Leslie Ward Cabot. Even though it isn't on the line.
1:07:45 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:07:46 Bill Simmons? Harland's two buddies in Pine Nut? I was kinda into it. That was my favorite Harland.
1:07:50 Speaker 03 Will Sasso is Dale.
1:07:51 Bill Simmons? Don't hit that funny tip I told you about.
1:07:54 Speaker 03 He's like, if you get tired, pull over, if you get hungry, eat something. I want to shout out the pet shop owner because like
1:08:02 Speaker 07 Yes.
1:08:02 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:08:03 Speaker 03 To be able to hold that together opposite what Parker Posey's doing in the scene.
1:08:06 Speaker 07 Actually, an incredible achievement.
1:08:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:08:08 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:08:08 Speaker 03 Remarkable.
1:08:09 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:08:09 Bill Simmons? Recasting Couch Director City, what do you got, Mel?
1:08:12 Speaker 07 Does this need to be Philadelphia with apologies to CR? Like, is there any Philly specificity in the movie?
1:08:18 Speaker 03 Where would you put it instead? Baltimore?
1:08:21 Speaker 07 Sure, why not? Yeah, fuck, yeah, let's go to Baltimore.
1:08:24 Speaker 03 I think it needs to be someplace like high toned. So like a Boston or a Philadelphia, the like old money America.
1:08:32 Speaker 07 I don't know. There's no actual.
1:08:34 Bill Simmons? I'm gonna win this category.
1:08:35 Speaker 07 Alright.
1:08:36 Bill Simmons? Parker Posey's husband in this movie, we've already mentioned.
1:08:39 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:08:40 Bill Simmons? Hitchcock is, he's fine.
1:08:42 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:08:42 Bill Simmons? Will Ferrell is right there.
1:08:45 Speaker 07 Oh, my god.
1:08:46 Bill Simmons? Will Ferrell and Parker Posey together as the Swans.
1:08:49 Speaker 03 I can see him screaming, but I'm not sure I can see him in like the uptight.
1:08:53 Bill Simmons? Oh, he can definitely do that. Yeah, he did that in SNL. I think he can do it. He did in a bunch of the sketches where he, he had an uptight character he used to play.
1:09:01 Speaker 03 I just feel like he always has a twinkle in his eye, which like is not.
1:09:05 Speaker 07 Right.
1:09:05 Bill Simmons? But maybe that needed it, though.
1:09:06 Speaker 07 Hamilton's like a real drip.
1:09:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, Hamilton sucks.
1:09:09 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:09:10 Speaker 03 You know, and I don't think that Will Ferrell ever sucks. The screaming would have been better.
1:09:14 Bill Simmons? Thoughts?
1:09:15 Speaker 03 I love Ferrell. I thought Hitchcock was really good for what the role called for. I think Ferrell could have done it, it's just a slightly different character.
1:09:21 Speaker 07 It would have been very, like a little moment like Hamilton talking about whether to change, you know, but he likes the way the.
1:09:27 Speaker 03 Oh, the mock turtle.
1:09:28 Speaker 07 Should he go to the mock turtle, but oh, this like burgundy really matches with the slacks. Like Will Ferrell would have made it.
1:09:33 Speaker 03 It's so hard because we're using what we think of Ferrell now. In 2000, Ferrell was not Ferrell yet, so maybe it would have worked.
1:09:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:09:40 Speaker 07 I love the Swans.
1:09:42 Bill Simmons? Um, I already did my flex category, so we gotta keep going. Half assed in our research.
1:09:48 Bill Simmons? Filming took place in Vancouver, N O A. They had to stage their own dog show because no dog show would let them do a dog show.
1:09:54 Speaker 07 That was interesting and kind of surprising.
1:09:56 Bill Simmons? I think that's where some of the budget went.
1:09:58 Speaker 03 But like, some of the judges had to be, have been like real dog show judges. You know what I mean? So like.
1:10:03 Speaker 07 Yeah. I guess like all of the official.
1:10:06 Speaker 03 Did not want them there.
1:10:07 Speaker 07 I guess they're like, because you're mocking us.
1:10:08 Speaker 03 But they're celebrating.
1:10:09 Speaker 07 But they are.
1:10:10 Speaker 03 Christopher Guest doesn't even like the. Phrase mockumentary.
1:10:12 Speaker 07 That's right. That's right.
1:10:14 Bill Simmons? He is gets a little precious sometimes. Fred's character, uh, Buck Loughlin was based on Joe Garagiola, who was an old baseball announcer from eighties, nineties. And had done the Westminster Show. He shot his whole part in a day and a half. Was specifically instructed by Christopher Guest not to research dogs in any way and just go completely blind.
1:10:36 Speaker 07 You can tell.
1:10:36 Speaker 03 Whereas Jim Peddic had to learn everything about dogs so that he could like respond with actual information.
1:10:41 Speaker 07 So funny.
1:10:43 Bill Simmons? The first poodle, first Rhapsody and got fired?
1:10:48 Speaker 07 Yep. Wild. How embarrassing for that dog.
1:10:50 Speaker 03 Because the first Rhapsody's handler was a piece of work.
1:10:53 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:10:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:10:54 Speaker 07 I know the Brandy Booth Award is not one of our categories today, but who would you have given it to?
1:10:58 Bill Simmons? I mean, come on.
1:10:59 Speaker 07 Best performance by a pet?
1:11:00 Bill Simmons? I mean, Hubert's amazing.
1:11:02 Speaker 07 I will make the case here that it's Beatrice.
1:11:04 Speaker 03 I love.
1:11:05 Speaker 07 Because that's the most range is required to play Beatrice. Not my favorite, but startling performance.
1:11:10 Bill Simmons? Why didn't I do that?
1:11:10 Speaker 03 I love that you love Hubert and you're not into Harlem Pepper.
1:11:17 Bill Simmons? I loved Harlem Pepper. It was just a lot of the same joke.
1:11:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:23 Bill Simmons? Guest said in the research, Fred Willard makes a joke when the person handles the dog's testicles.
1:11:29 Speaker 07 Yeah. Uh huh.
1:11:30 Bill Simmons? But they found out why they do that. Did you know why they do that?
1:11:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:33 Bill Simmons? Because they want to make sure.
1:11:34 Speaker 03 You put fake, they didn't put fake testicles in there.
1:11:36 Bill Simmons? Apparently some dogs will have one testicle and they get disqualified. So it's gotta be double balls. Who knew?
1:11:42 Speaker 03 But then sometimes they would put a fake testicle in there to sort of like, so I just wanted to speak to the people who craft fake testicles.
1:11:49 Bill Simmons? Fake dog testicles, yeah.
1:11:50 Speaker 03 For dog shows. What's the application process like?
1:11:54 Bill Simmons? That's your Ben in the sequel.
1:11:54 Speaker 03 Also, why are we shaming dogs as one ball?
1:11:56 Speaker 07 That's what I was gonna say, Craig. All of these elitist assholes in their dog shows.
1:12:01 Speaker 03 Let them compete.
1:12:02 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:12:03 Speaker 03 That's what, that's what dog shows are. Elitism.
1:12:05 Speaker 07 Bald dog be proud and free. Good lord.
1:12:09 Bill Simmons? Higgins said, um, he's like a big voice guy and he formed, he forms vocal groups on any movie or TV show he does.
1:12:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:17 Bill Simmons? And he got a good one going on this with, he said Jane was the soprano. Catherine was the alto, Icehang Tenor, Gene did the bass. You get really bored in the set. Higgins just sounds like an MVP. I thought he was great as Letterman. I love The Late Show. He's one of my favorite TV movies. He's awesome in that.
1:12:33 Speaker 03 He did a really good, uh, Legend of Korra, did incredible, uh, voice work for that. Yeah. He's done like, he's had a really good voice work career, but he should have been in everything.
1:12:42 Bill Simmons? Yeah, he should have.
1:12:43 Speaker 07 Talk to daddy.
1:12:47 Bill Simmons? Apex Mountain.
1:12:48 Speaker 07 The best. This is hard. This is hard.
1:12:51 Bill Simmons? I think for a guest, it probably is.
1:12:53 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
1:12:54 Speaker 07 I think so. Yeah.
1:12:55 Bill Simmons? I feel like he had the most juice after this. Cause this movie, even though it only made 20 million. Fred Miller's tough, cause he was on that show in the seventies with Martin Mull. That was like a pretty massive comedy hit. Fernwood, something?
1:13:07 Speaker 03 What about John Michael Higgins then?
1:13:10 Bill Simmons? I think it is.
1:13:10 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah.
1:13:12 Bill Simmons? I think if, prob- probably at this point, if somebody mentions a movie to him, it's probably this one, I guess. O'Hara, no, but I don't even know what. I mean, she's.
1:13:21 Speaker 07 It's almost impossible to pick.
1:13:22 Bill Simmons? It's probably Home Alone.
1:13:24 Speaker 03 Oh, Beetlejuice.
1:13:25 Bill Simmons? I mean, she's the mom in Home Alone.
1:13:27 Speaker 03 Schitt's Creek, where she won Emmys for?
1:13:29 Speaker 07 I mean, Moira Rose is like.
1:13:32 Bill Simmons? Like 700 million dollars.
1:13:33 Speaker 03 She's the mom in Beetlejuice.
1:13:34 Speaker 07 I was thinking about this because Schitt's Creek is one of my favorite recent shows in Home Alone. It's like, yeah, she just is. How many people can compete?
1:13:41 Speaker 03 After hours.
1:13:42 Speaker 07 Yeah. Jeez.
1:13:43 Bill Simmons? Never on SNL. Showed up, they hired a new head writer. The guy was acting like crazy person and just went back to Toronto.
1:13:52 Bill Simmons? Um, she was in like the second year of Eddie Murphy. John Michael Higgins, yes. McKeon?
1:13:58 Speaker 03 No.
1:13:59 Speaker 07 No.
1:13:59 Bill Simmons? It's not. It's probably.
1:14:01 Speaker 03 Better call Saul. Yeah.
1:14:04 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:14:05 Bill Simmons? Still haven't watched it.
1:14:05 Speaker 03 Which also starred Ed Bakely Jr.
1:14:08 Bill Simmons? Jennifer Coolidge.
1:14:10 Speaker 07 White Lotus.
1:14:11 Bill Simmons? I think White Lotus.
1:14:12 Speaker 07 Is White Lotus or Legally Blonde?
1:14:13 Bill Simmons? She's doing commercials now.
1:14:15 Speaker 07 Yes. White Lotus propelled her to a level of like rediscovered fame and relevance that I, I think is inarguable.
1:14:24 Speaker 03 People imitating her scenes from Legally Blonde.
1:14:27 Speaker 07 Is sort of like what made her this sort of figure. You do this sometimes, but she Coolidge is a rare, like, maybe there is more than one Apex Mountain. Cause the time gap is so big. Yeah, yeah.
1:14:37 Bill Simmons? Stifler's mom was one of the iconic characters.
1:14:41 Speaker 07 Very important.
1:14:42 Bill Simmons? And there was even a song about her, an alternative song that I forget who did that one, but it became.
1:14:48 Speaker 07 Not Stacy's mom?
1:14:49 Bill Simmons? No, somebody had Stifler.
1:14:51 Speaker 07 Stifler's mom?
1:14:52 Bill Simmons? I thought there was a Stifler song. Or was that Stacy's mom?
1:14:55 Speaker 07 I think Stacy's mom has got it going on.
1:14:56 Bill Simmons? About Stifler?
1:14:57 Speaker 07 No, no.
1:14:58 Bill Simmons? I'm mixing.
1:14:59 Speaker 07 But maybe there's a Stifler's mom parody set to Stacy's mom.
1:15:01 Bill Simmons? I thought Stifler's mom was in something. Fred Willard, we said no. Dog shows?
1:15:08 Speaker 07 Sure, maybe. I mean.
1:15:10 Bill Simmons? I think so.
1:15:11 Speaker 07 Or the actual Westminster Dog Show.
1:15:12 Bill Simmons? Roasting a goat, definitely. AM Philadelphia, hundred percent. Terror songs, yes.
1:15:19 Speaker 07 Pet people movies?
1:15:20 Bill Simmons? America Bitch Magazine, yes. Pet people movies, yes.
1:15:24 Speaker 07 Yeah, I think so.
1:15:24 Bill Simmons? Jane Lynch, gotta be glee, right?
1:15:26 Speaker 07 It has to be glee, no question. Kimonos? Just kidding.
1:15:30 Bill Simmons? How about Posey?
1:15:32 Speaker 07 Oh, man. Oh, that's tough. Hard.
1:15:35 Bill Simmons? I feel like part of the frustrating thing about her career is that kind of, there was never an Apex Mountain. It was always like, oh, I love Parker Posey.
1:15:41 Speaker 07 Party Girl, House.
1:15:42 Bill Simmons? Somewhere in the mid nineties, she was the it girl.
1:15:45 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:15:45 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:15:46 Speaker 07 She is unbelievable in this, though. Yeah, unbelievable in this.
1:15:50 Bill Simmons? She's pretty great in Days of Confused.
1:15:52 Speaker 07 Yeah, she is. She's so good in Days of Confused. Guffman, she's great in Guffman.
1:15:55 Bill Simmons? Yeah, it's probably somewhere mid nineties. Cruiser Hanks.
1:15:59 Speaker 07 Wait.
1:16:00 Bill Simmons? What?
1:16:00 Speaker 07 What about Eugene Levy? No. It's Shits Creek.
1:16:03 Bill Simmons? It's Shits Creek, yeah.
1:16:04 Speaker 07 Or Splash. Oh, yeah. Just watch Splash all the time.
1:16:07 Bill Simmons? No, Shits Creek. Cause you also have your kid in the same thing.
1:16:11 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah.
1:16:12 Bill Simmons? Yeah. You also got credit for that as an Apex.
1:16:16 Speaker 07 I wanted to ask you this.
1:16:17 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:16:18 Speaker 07 Because you're a comedy expert.
1:16:19 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Thank you.
1:16:21 Speaker 07 You're welcome. Comedy Ensemble Cast?
1:16:26 Bill Simmons? Oh, for a movie?
1:16:27 Speaker 07 Oh. What do you think? It's at least in the conversation. It's in the top ten, yeah.
1:16:35 Bill Simmons? So who's the competition for this? Anchorman?
1:16:39 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:16:40 Speaker 03 Bridesmaids?
1:16:41 Bill Simmons? Bridesmaids. Yeah, it's a bunch of Apatow movies, probably.
1:16:45 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:16:45 Bill Simmons? Trying to think eighties. Oh shit, you should have texted that one to me. I would have wanted more time on that question.
1:16:51 Speaker 07 This is like when Amanda asked you about fictional movie houses.
1:16:54 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
1:16:55 Speaker 07 You were enraged.
1:16:55 Bill Simmons? I still don't have the answer to that.
1:16:57 Speaker 07 Enraged.
1:16:57 Bill Simmons? Such a great question.
1:16:59 Speaker 03 Cause like eighties high school party comedies like have a bunch of heavy hitters.
1:17:02 Speaker 07 I don't feel that I have the expertise to answer this.
1:17:05 Speaker 03 Honestly, I think Anchorman's a really good one.
1:17:07 Bill Simmons? I think it might be Anchorman.
1:17:09 Speaker 03 I mean, almost everybody.
1:17:10 Bill Simmons? So many people on that. It's like an entire decade of people who either were stars or became stars.
1:17:15 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah.
1:17:15 Bill Simmons? It's up there, though. Cruiser Hanks, what do you got?
1:17:18 Speaker 07 Hanks.
1:17:18 Speaker 03 Tom Hanks.
1:17:19 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Hank.
1:17:19 Speaker 03 Also from Pineapple.
1:17:20 Bill Simmons? Who does Hanks play?
1:17:22 Speaker 07 He'd be a great Harland Pepper. And I do think he could do Hamilton Swan.
1:17:25 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I agree.
1:17:27 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:17:27 Bill Simmons? I think he could have done McCann, too.
1:17:29 Speaker 07 Would be, I don't even know. I wouldn't be able to process it.
1:17:32 Speaker 03 Hanks in the Black Jeopardy sketch from SNL and you put him in Best in Show, you have a great time.
1:17:38 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:17:38 Bill Simmons? Scorsese or Spielberg?
1:17:39 Speaker 03 Spielberg.
1:17:40 Bill Simmons? Yeah, Spielberg. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? I thought this was easy.
1:17:45 Speaker 07 I did too, actually.
1:17:47 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:17:47 Bill Simmons? Who do you have?
1:17:48 Speaker 07 I had Stefan.
1:17:50 Bill Simmons? Interesting.
1:17:51 Speaker 07 Yeah. What did you have?
1:17:52 Bill Simmons? I had, uh, I had, uh, Parker Posey's husband.
1:17:55 Speaker 07 Hamilton Swan.
1:17:56 Speaker 03 You just want to recast him. You're real on.
1:17:58 Bill Simmons? I'd say he would have been good with her.
1:17:59 Speaker 03 I think maybe as much as I loved impedic, Trevor Beckwith.
1:18:03 Bill Simmons? Ah, with an English accent?
1:18:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:18:05 Bill Simmons? I really liked the Hoffman character.
1:18:07 Speaker 03 Just increasing exasperation.
1:18:09 Speaker 07 That would be really good.
1:18:09 Bill Simmons? Craig, you get a flex category.
1:18:12 Speaker 03 I'm gonna go with the Dan Campbell scale for holy shit, are they really going for this right now? And it's when Larry Miller, the guy who plays Max. Yeah. When he makes Cookie hand the dog off to Gary and then just kisses her right on the mouth in front of everybody. It's like, oh damn. The Cookie storyline.
1:18:27 Speaker 07 Like dips her.
1:18:28 Speaker 03 That's like fourth and ten in the first.
1:18:30 Bill Simmons? First, you're like, wow.
1:18:33 Bill Simmons? Cookie collect.
1:18:34 Speaker 03 Cookie.
1:18:37 Bill Simmons? Picky nets.
1:18:39 Speaker 03 I've.
1:18:39 Speaker 07 Again, very hard.
1:18:40 Bill Simmons? The utility closet's a reach. That one always jumps out at me.
1:18:44 Speaker 03 I love that.
1:18:44 Speaker 07 So funny.
1:18:45 Bill Simmons? I know they had to do it, but it's kind of.
1:18:47 Speaker 03 They also, they drove up in a Winnebago.
1:18:48 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:18:49 Speaker 03 Could you not just sleep in the Winnebago?
1:18:50 Bill Simmons? Can we get room services in here?
1:18:51 Speaker 07 Great question.
1:18:52 Speaker 03 Could you not just sleep in the Winnebago?
1:18:53 Bill Simmons? Can we get room service in here? It's like, you have thirty-four dollars, you're not getting room service.
1:18:57 Speaker 03 I know.
1:18:57 Bill Simmons? What are we getting? Like peanuts?
1:18:58 Speaker 03 I would say, so we get, we get, um, the Busy Bee in the hotel search.
1:19:04 Speaker 07 Yes.
1:19:04 Speaker 03 We get the pet shop scene.
1:19:06 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:19:06 Speaker 03 And she comes back and he's like, you've been gone for thirty minutes and you couldn't find it? I'm like, that, she has to have been gone much longer than that.
1:19:13 Bill Simmons? Yeah, that's like two hours. That's a good point.
1:19:14 Speaker 07 Yeah, that's a great one. Um, I will posit that Harland Pepper of nut naming fame does not name that many nuts.
1:19:25 Bill Simmons? Hmm.
1:19:27 Speaker 07 Sure.
1:19:28 Bill Simmons? You wanted like sixty nuts?
1:19:29 Speaker 07 Well, that's the thing.
1:19:30 Speaker 03 Does he say hazelnut?
1:19:32 Speaker 07 No.
1:19:33 Speaker 03 No.
1:19:33 Speaker 07 No, he does. He says peanut, hazelnut, cashew nut, macadamia nut, pine nut, pistachio nut, red pistachio nut, natural, all natural, white pistachio nut. Now, getting three pistachio nuts is impressive, but he leaves walnut on the table? No almond, no pecan, no Brazil nut, no chestnut? We're supposed to be impressed with this?
1:19:53 Speaker 03 Aren't also, are pine nuts technically seeds? I think pine nuts are seeds.
1:19:57 Speaker 07 This is why you're you.
1:19:58 Bill Simmons? I just want to go on the record with Harland. Harland Pop, Harland Pepper.
1:20:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:20:02 Bill Simmons? Um.
1:20:03 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
1:20:04 Bill Simmons? I didn't, I like the character.
1:20:06 Speaker 03 Sure, that's clear, yeah.
1:20:07 Bill Simmons? High usage rate, is my only point. He's the only solo character.
1:20:10 Speaker 03 Oh, you're like, Christopher Guest didn't do a heavy enough edit on himself.
1:20:13 Speaker 07 Interesting.
1:20:15 Bill Simmons? I didn't want to say it, but I'll say it.
1:20:17 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:20:18 Speaker 07 You're, the point about the partner is interesting.
1:20:21 Bill Simmons? Everyone else is playing off somebody else and he's always just kind of.
1:20:24 Speaker 07 Yeah, I like when you have a single, a single pet owner there, because that relationship is very special. But you're right that he's then, there's no other voice.
1:20:30 Bill Simmons? It's a high usage rate. He's getting a couple shots off.
1:20:32 Speaker 03 Did anyone else find out that Christopher Guest was a baron while doing research for this?
1:20:35 Speaker 07 Yes, I did not know this.
1:20:38 Speaker 03 That he had a seat in the House of Lords?
1:20:39 Speaker 07 He has an official title.
1:20:40 Bill Simmons? What?
1:20:40 Speaker 07 And so does Jamie Lee Curtis.
1:20:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's Baron Hayden Guest and she's Lady Hayden Guest.
1:20:46 Speaker 07 Is this not astonishing?
1:20:47 Bill Simmons? What does that even mean?
1:20:48 Speaker 03 His father was like the British diplomat to America and had a seat in the House of Lords. And so Christopher Guest, but Christopher Guest is like, I refuse to take the seat until they reform. And then they sort of did a bunch of stuff and now he doesn't really have a seat anymore. But he's still a Baron. He's a Baron.
1:21:03 Bill Simmons? I would have taken the seat.
1:21:04 Speaker 03 And he's married to Jamie Lee Curtis. So he's winning, stays winning.
1:21:06 Speaker 07 Christopher Guest.
1:21:06 Bill Simmons? Take the seat.
1:21:07 Speaker 07 Baron Zemo. You know, so many of the greats.
1:21:10 Speaker 03 That's a Marvel joke for you, Bill. Yeah.
1:21:12 Bill Simmons? I get it. Right over my head. One more pick and knit.
1:21:16 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
1:21:17 Bill Simmons? Are we sure the terror should have won?
1:21:19 Speaker 07 All right. So this is a, this is a big talking point.
1:21:21 Bill Simmons? Can we really get into this? Was that the best dog? Short legs. It's like, whatever.
1:21:26 Speaker 07 No, Winky's a great dog. I won't have you diss much Winky. I'm thinking from like the story perspective, what are we, what do we think we're building toward Hubert? We think we're building toward Hubert. Now, I think the reason I like the Winky choice ultimately is because the movie does such a good job of making clear that Hubert is the dog of the future.
1:21:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:21:43 Speaker 07 Like he will come back and he will take best in show without question. Five star prospect.
1:21:47 Bill Simmons? Kind of like Lamar Jackson?
1:21:51 Speaker 07 Craig, we almost made it through a whole podcast without Bill being mean to me about the Ravens. For no reason. Haven't I suffered enough?
1:21:57 Bill Simmons? Hubert won three MVPs, but never pulled off the dog show?
1:22:00 Speaker 03 But also doesn't Jerry, doesn't Jerry need a win?
1:22:04 Speaker 07 That's the thing.
1:22:04 Speaker 03 After having been cuckolded the entire movie?
1:22:06 Speaker 07 And that's why I think Winky is ultimately the choice. It's because it's just as much a cookie Jerry family victory as it is a Winky victory. And they're so happy. They really need it. They were staying in the fucking utility closet.
1:22:17 Bill Simmons? Yeah, that's fair.
1:22:18 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:22:18 Bill Simmons? I just didn't, I didn't like that dog the most.
1:22:20 Speaker 07 Now they're celebrities because they got to do three radio interviews.
1:22:22 Speaker 03 Would you have Hubert win or?
1:22:25 Bill Simmons? I think it's a solid point. He was a year away.
1:22:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:22:27 Bill Simmons? He's only two.
1:22:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:22:29 Bill Simmons? Not great dog shows ahead of him.
1:22:34 Bill Simmons? Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV all black cast or untouchable. The Cookie Fleck prequel?
1:22:40 Speaker 03 No, mine.
1:22:41 Bill Simmons? Sounds amazing.
1:22:42 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, the sex, the, the sex.
1:22:44 Bill Simmons? Cookie in high school?
1:22:45 Speaker 03 Cookie.
1:22:45 Speaker 07 Holy shit.
1:22:47 Bill Simmons? Cookie in like nineteen eighty-two, just running amok. Hey, girl.
1:22:53 Bill Simmons? It's like Fast Times at Ridgemont High, multiplied by eighty.
1:22:55 Speaker 03 Oh, my god.
1:22:56 Speaker 07 The roller coaster episode.
1:22:58 Speaker 03 Yeah. The waitress episode.
1:23:02 Speaker 07 Oh, man.
1:23:02 Bill Simmons? She made a lot of friends. Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, no, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harley Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs?
1:23:13 Speaker 07 Oh, man.
1:23:14 Bill Simmons? Or Wilford Brimley in The Firm? He's got two left feet, Jim.
1:23:19 Speaker 07 I'm sad that Chris is not here to do Romo as one of the commentators. That's like.
1:23:25 Bill Simmons? I actually have a better option than that, though, but you guys go.
1:23:27 Speaker 03 I genuinely think Danny Trejo could kill in this film.
1:23:31 Bill Simmons? Interesting, yeah, because he hasn't done that much comedy.
1:23:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, but like when he does, he kind of crushes, and I think he could just like, take it really seriously, which is what Christopher Guest asked them to do.
1:23:40 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:23:40 Speaker 03 And I think he could actually kill in this.
1:23:42 Bill Simmons? I was thinking Sam Jackson.
1:23:44 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
1:23:44 Bill Simmons? Maybe not in this, but in the sequel, but there's a Sam Jackson character that I think would be pretty great.
1:23:50 Speaker 03 What kind of dog?
1:23:50 Bill Simmons? I don't know.
1:23:51 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:23:52 Bill Simmons? I don't know, we could go, because one thing with the dogs in this movie, there weren't enough bigger dogs. We really only had.
1:23:58 Speaker 07 It was like a whole category.
1:23:59 Bill Simmons? Yeah, I just wish we had.
1:24:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:24:02 Bill Simmons? Because sometimes they'll have like freaking Great Danes and like giant ones, like I wonder.
1:24:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:24:07 Bill Simmons? I don't know, I thought Sam could have done good, though.
1:24:09 Speaker 07 I would really enjoy the version of this movie.
1:24:11 Bill Simmons? Oh, Wayne Jenkins?
1:24:12 Speaker 07 Said in Philadelphia, where Wayne Jenkins just takes the Amtrak up the false floor. And he's there with his rottweiler, and he would get into the most memorable fight with Hamilton Swan.
1:24:26 Bill Simmons? Oh, yeah.
1:24:26 Speaker 07 Backstage. Can you imagine Wayne Jenkins having to escort Hamilton Swan out of the arena? I just think that would be an absolute thrill. Didn't know we were dealing with super handler.
1:24:39 Bill Simmons? Yeah, you better go find Bessie B right now, you could be long way for a long fucking time.
1:24:46 Bill Simmons? Just one Oscar, who gets it?
1:24:48 Speaker 03 Christopher Guest.
1:24:51 Speaker 03 Are we just talking performance? Are we talking about like?
1:24:53 Bill Simmons? It could be anything you want.
1:24:54 Speaker 07 Would you do it for directing?
1:24:55 Speaker 03 He wrote and directed this movie.
1:24:56 Speaker 07 I think screenplay has to be ineligible, though, because of what we know about the improv. Best editing.
1:25:02 Speaker 03 Best editing, editing, Christopher Guest.
1:25:04 Speaker 07 Craig!
1:25:05 Speaker 03 Great call.
1:25:05 Speaker 07 That's a fucking good one, man. You're riding that Sean Baker high right now. I know you are.
1:25:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:25:11 Speaker 07 I, I want to make the case for Catherine O'Hara. I think that what she, because there are so many extreme performances in the movie. I think she is actually doing something. It's all relative, of course, but kind of understated compared to a lot of the other really heightened caricatures. And it is pitch perfect every scene.
1:25:37 Speaker 03 You're saying that with a straight face after watching her wobble her knee?
1:25:41 Speaker 07 That would be the clip they'd play at the Oscars.
1:25:44 Bill Simmons? Do you want me to give you the, do you want me to give you the best actress in a supporting role for that year?
1:25:48 Speaker 07 Please.
1:25:48 Bill Simmons? Our winner was Marcia Gay Harden in Pollock, which was
1:25:51 Speaker 03 Oh, okay.
1:25:52 Bill Simmons? Travesty. Judi Dench, Judi Dench in Chocolat.
1:25:57 Speaker 03 That was a Weinstein special.
1:25:59 Bill Simmons? Kate Hudson, Almost Famous.
1:26:01 Speaker 03 It was Kate's year.
1:26:02 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:26:02 Bill Simmons? Julie Walters, Billy Elliot. And the person I think should have won, Frances McDormand in Almost Famous.
1:26:09 Speaker 03 Frances McDormand has so many Oscars.
1:26:11 Bill Simmons? She's unbelievable in Almost Famous.
1:26:13 Speaker 03 She is, of course she is. Rockstar's Have Kidnapped My Son.
1:26:16 Speaker 07 Have you two talked about Almost Famous together?
1:26:18 Speaker 03 We've, a little bit. He knows that I
1:26:20 Bill Simmons? You'd go with Kate over Frances McDormand?
1:26:22 Speaker 03 In that film, Penny Lane, yeah.
1:26:27 Bill Simmons? Kate Hudson's great.
1:26:28 Speaker 07 You can't do that rewatchables without Juliet. She will never forgive you.
1:26:31 Bill Simmons? I'm
1:26:35 Speaker 07 Just get them both together.
1:26:36 Bill Simmons? Declara's the worst.
1:26:37 Speaker 03 The first time I ever talked to Bill about anything, you were at home and you had Almost Famous ephemera behind you. You had Stillwater stuff behind you.
1:26:44 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:26:44 Speaker 03 And I was talking about Almost Famous and you said to me, you could never do Almost Famous on rewatchables because it would
1:26:50 Bill Simmons? Be the end of the feed.
1:26:51 Speaker 03 Be the end of your team because people would quit if they weren't on that pod.
1:26:56 Bill Simmons? We might have to just do two or three
1:26:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:26:58 Bill Simmons? different pods.
1:26:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:26:59 Bill Simmons? Just released all at the same time.
1:27:01 Speaker 07 Like the heat, reheat.
1:27:01 Bill Simmons? Like an alternate broadcast.
1:27:03 Speaker 07 Oh.
1:27:03 Bill Simmons? When they have like different announcing teams.
1:27:05 Speaker 03 Manicast?
1:27:05 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:27:06 Speaker 03 Frances McDormand in Almost Famous is incredible. But I have this thing where if someone already has an Oscar.
1:27:10 Bill Simmons? But she had one. Oh, she's won one at that point.
1:27:12 Speaker 03 She had, Farah, yeah.
1:27:13 Speaker 07 So example, for example, Timothy Chalamet should have won instead of Adrian Brody?
1:27:16 Speaker 03 Absolutely correct. Um, but like, that was a pivot point in Kate's career. If she had won the Oscar that year.
1:27:24 Bill Simmons? A pivot point to do fucking rom coms.
1:27:26 Speaker 03 No, but I'm saying she wouldn't have had to do rom coms. She could have continued to do.
1:27:29 Speaker 07 Rom coms.
1:27:30 Speaker 03 She could have continued to do incredible things like The Four Feathers.
1:27:32 Bill Simmons? I've enjoyed a lot of Kate's work. I just thought the mom's amazing in that movie.
1:27:36 Speaker 03 She's so good.
1:27:37 Bill Simmons? I mean, she's like every moment she's in that movie. She's.
1:27:39 Speaker 07 What a film. Great one. Who are you picking for your Oscar?
1:27:43 Bill Simmons? Russell Hammond.
1:27:51 Bill Simmons? I'm thinking Fred Willard.
1:27:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:27:53 Bill Simmons? For best supporting actor, but I really liked the, the, uh, I like your, your, that O'Hara takes really good. I almost want to switch my pick.
1:28:01 Speaker 03 I'm with Craig.
1:28:01 Bill Simmons? Best actor supporting role that year was Del Toro, one for Traffic. Jeff Bridges for The Contender, who's great. Who is like the perfect president. Willem Dafoe, Shadow of the Vampire. Albert Finney, Aaron Brockovich, he's really good in that. And then Phoenix and Gladiator, which tougher, tougher category to crack.
1:28:18 Speaker 07 That's a crowded field right there.
1:28:20 Bill Simmons? I like, I like your, uh, I think Val's right. I think that's the pick.
1:28:24 Speaker 03 Catherine O'Hara?
1:28:24 Speaker 07 I did, the, the math I did with myself was Catherine O'Hara for Oscar, and not to spoil it, but Willard for who won the movie.
1:28:32 Bill Simmons? So.
1:28:32 Speaker 07 Instead of the Oscar.
1:28:33 Bill Simmons? The case for, for hers.
1:28:35 Speaker 07 You could argue Catherine O'Hara again for that and Parker Posey for that, honestly.
1:28:38 Bill Simmons? Well, you also have to do the who else could have played these people?
1:28:41 Speaker 07 Right.
1:28:41 Bill Simmons? Game.
1:28:42 Speaker 07 Right.
1:28:43 Bill Simmons? And I think those are the two that I think are like, I don't think anyone else could do what they do in the movie.
1:28:47 Speaker 03 I think Levy too, Eugene Levy, like.
1:28:50 Bill Simmons? Yeah, that's true.
1:28:51 Speaker 03 And Parker Posey.
1:28:52 Speaker 07 Parker Posey.
1:28:53 Speaker 03 And Jennifer Coolidge and Jane Lynch.
1:28:54 Speaker 07 It's true.
1:28:55 Speaker 03 Like, it's just really hard to.
1:28:57 Speaker 07 Their wars are all so high.
1:28:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:29:00 Bill Simmons? It's a great movie.
1:29:01 Speaker 07 Love it. That's one of your favorite baseball stats?
1:29:03 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:29:04 Bill Simmons? Probably in answerable questions.
1:29:07 Speaker 07 Boy, this is a fun one.
1:29:08 Bill Simmons? What was Fred Willard's character's name? Buck Loughlin?
1:29:11 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:29:12 Bill Simmons? Was he one of the first Me Twos, you think?
1:29:16 Bill Simmons? First, first wave?
1:29:17 Speaker 03 I mean, Fred Bullard himself had his own.
1:29:19 Bill Simmons? Oh, did he? I forgot that Fred did.
1:29:21 Speaker 03 Oh, man.
1:29:22 Speaker 07 Oh, my god.
1:29:24 Bill Simmons? Posey, so Posey posits this in the oral history about how she wore all these capes and cloaks and beiges and all the colors that felt and looked like Beatrice as the movie went on. That's what's so fun about the movie is how people are like their dogs and they look like their dogs. And she goes, I mean, Coolidge is like a poodle. Do you believe people start to look like their dogs? I'm an answerable question.
1:29:46 Speaker 03 I do, but more importantly, I think people tend to gravitate towards dogs that match their vibe and energy.
1:29:51 Speaker 07 Yeah, they pick the dog that reminds them of them in the first place because people are inherently narcissistic, correct?
1:29:58 Bill Simmons? You think that's what it is?
1:29:59 Speaker 07 Definitely, yeah.
1:30:01 Bill Simmons? Because that really, I mean, we've had all kinds of dogs.
1:30:03 Speaker 03 Your energy?
1:30:04 Bill Simmons? No, but I'm just used to golden retrievers because that's what my dad always had, but I don't know that there's really no other reason.
1:30:09 Speaker 03 You do occasionally have golden retriever energy in a positive way.
1:30:13 Speaker 07 It's just sort of like, look how happy you were when I just said that. And you were like, I do?
1:30:16 Bill Simmons? They're great dogs.
1:30:19 Speaker 07 Beloved by all?
1:30:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:30:21 Bill Simmons? What would be a bad energy dog?
1:30:22 Speaker 07 Great names?
1:30:23 Speaker 03 Uh, bad energy dog. I think all animals are great.
1:30:27 Speaker 07 Wow, Joanna was ready to just send a stray toward the Schnauzer's.
1:30:30 Speaker 03 Community.
1:30:32 Bill Simmons? See, little dogs, we'll never have another little dog. I don't like the Barker. I don't like the Barker.
1:30:37 Speaker 03 A yipping.
1:30:38 Bill Simmons? The yippy, yippy bark is like, it's like, I'm out. Goldens are cool. Although we have one of the only like semi unfriendly goldens ever right now, but COVID dog, it's not his fault.
1:30:48 Speaker 03 Have a lot of like hair that gets everywhere. How do you manage that?
1:30:51 Bill Simmons? That's true. We comb them.
1:30:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:30:53 Bill Simmons? The English, the English goldens are a little better.
1:30:56 Speaker 03 Less hairy.
1:30:57 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:30:58 Speaker 07 Interesting.
1:30:58 Speaker 03 Everyone I know who has a golden, like, they're, they're furnished. Or their cars are just like covered in fur all the time.
1:31:05 Bill Simmons? You gotta stand. Any other probably answerables for you?
1:31:09 Speaker 07 A few. Yeah. Um, I'd like to ask you for the Vegas odds. How heavy of a favorite was Rhapsody in White heading into this?
1:31:15 Bill Simmons? Like minus four hundred on FanDuel.
1:31:19 Bill Simmons? Two time winner.
1:31:20 Speaker 07 Minus.
1:31:24 Bill Simmons? Christie Cummings, best trainer in the country.
1:31:26 Speaker 03 They're, they're.
1:31:27 Bill Simmons? Heavy favorite.
1:31:28 Speaker 03 Smoozing with the judges.
1:31:29 Speaker 07 That's my next unanswerable question. So Buck says, let me ask you this. Money ever exchange hands? Trevor's of course offended and wounded by this, but we saw Christie try to wine and dine. Millbank. So did money.
1:31:45 Bill Simmons? Well, they.
1:31:45 Speaker 07 Exchange hands?
1:31:46 Speaker 03 No, because Millbank was like holding the line.
1:31:48 Speaker 07 But ever? Do you think Christie ever?
1:31:50 Bill Simmons? Well, they throw the party every year, which is no small reason, right?
1:31:55 Speaker 07 It is. Cause they're doing the separate, different party.
1:31:57 Bill Simmons? Ice thing?
1:32:00 Speaker 07 Did someone sabotage Cookie?
1:32:02 Speaker 03 With the carpet. Did somebody put something down?
1:32:04 Bill Simmons? You know, I rewound that a couple of times.
1:32:06 Speaker 03 That fall comes out of nowhere.
1:32:08 Bill Simmons? It's a borderline nitpick. Cause it's like, it's, she doesn't even trip on anything. She's like, well, it goes fine.
1:32:12 Speaker 07 Okay. All right. So you think that was pure, not sabotage? Great. Um. How many tapes did Jerry and Cookie sell? You think they're on anybody's Spotify wrapped in the future?
1:32:24 Bill Simmons? I don't.
1:32:24 Speaker 07 No, you don't think they made it big? Do you think Scott and Stefan made it big with the calendar business?
1:32:29 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:32:30 Speaker 07 I think so. I think that's a home run.
1:32:32 Speaker 03 Especially if in the future they did other people's pets. Like you can put your own pet in a calendar. That's the business.
1:32:38 Speaker 07 What a great idea.
1:32:40 Speaker 03 That's the business.
1:32:40 Speaker 07 Oh my God. So they give you the filter or the shell and you can put your pets in the ca- oh my God. That's a billion dollar idea right there.
1:32:50 Speaker 03 I'm sure it exists.
1:32:51 Speaker 07 If it doesn't, get on it right after this. That's a great one. Did American Bitch last into the digital era? What do you think?
1:32:57 Bill Simmons? Cookie tapes then though. I think she was on some tapes. They just weren't music tapes.
1:33:03 Bill Simmons? I think there was some vintage stuff from the eighties that she might have popped in.
1:33:05 Speaker 03 And she would be very proud of it.
1:33:07 Bill Simmons? Couldn't have been more pleased that they're out there.
1:33:09 Speaker 03 She'd be very proud of it.
1:33:10 Bill Simmons? Some of her best work.
1:33:11 Speaker 03 There's actually a Moira Rose plotline about that. That sounds great.
1:33:13 Speaker 07 Oh, my god. Um, we talked about already, but did Beatrice thrive without the swans? I like to think she did. I like to think that Beatrice went on and lived a full life.
1:33:21 Speaker 03 They'll think she went to the farm.
1:33:23 Speaker 07 I don't, I don't like that. What was Cookie's actual number? That's my last one for unanswerable questions. You know, we got the dozens, hundreds.
1:33:28 Speaker 03 She said hundreds.
1:33:29 Speaker 07 Hundreds. Do, do we think that's like?
1:33:31 Bill Simmons? She said hundreds twice.
1:33:33 Speaker 07 Three hundred fifty people, like two hundred fourteen?
1:33:35 Bill Simmons? Around, about how old was Cookie, do we think?
1:33:38 Speaker 03 In her forties?
1:33:39 Bill Simmons? Forty-two, forty-three?
1:33:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33:41 Bill Simmons? And how long do we think she'd been with Jerry?
1:33:44 Speaker 03 Oh, it was like eight or ten years.
1:33:46 Speaker 07 They met at a dance.
1:33:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33:47 Bill Simmons? So she, early thirties, so that gives her about fifteen years?
1:33:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, possibly.
1:33:54 Bill Simmons? Fifteen years?
1:33:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:33:56 Bill Simmons? Go like fifty a year? So we're in like the six hundred range?
1:34:01 Speaker 07 That sounds low to me. That's one a week.
1:34:04 Speaker 03 So what do you think it is?
1:34:05 Bill Simmons? But, but she's in a small town, though. At some point, you're gonna run out of people in the town.
1:34:08 Speaker 03 But the fact that she's like running into people across the country.
1:34:12 Speaker 07 Yeah. I don't think we're limiting this to state borders.
1:34:15 Bill Simmons? All right, if it's seven-
1:34:15 Speaker 03 You think it's a thousand, you think she had a thousand?
1:34:17 Bill Simmons? If it's seventy-five a year for fifteen years, that gets us to a thousand.
1:34:22 Speaker 03 And I love that for her.
1:34:23 Speaker 07 Good for her. She's living a great life, and I'm thrilled for her. I, I-
1:34:26 Bill Simmons? Well, it sounds like she had like a, like a trick. She had like a calling card.
1:34:30 Speaker 03 You never forget the best.
1:34:30 Bill Simmons? The legs behind the-
1:34:31 Speaker 07 She was a memorable, a memorable sexual encounter. That's, that's clear. Yeah.
1:34:36 Bill Simmons? But then, you know, Jerry Fleck took her heart.
1:34:39 Speaker 07 Locked it down. Locked it down with his two left feet.
1:34:42 Bill Simmons? It's kind of a Casanova himself. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? It's clearly Busy Bee.
1:34:49 Speaker 07 Has to be Busy Bee.
1:34:50 Bill Simmons? If I brought Busy Bee in right now and said I'd bought it from an auction nine years ago, you'd have a stroke.
1:34:54 Speaker 07 Yeah, I'd die.
1:34:55 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:34:55 Speaker 03 If it's not Busy Bee, it might be the traveling quilts that they nail up behind their bed in the hotel room. They're only there for two nights, and they brought their quilt from home to hang up behind the bed.
1:35:06 Bill Simmons? There's one other thing, the, the giant framed American bitch magazine.
1:35:09 Speaker 07 I thought you were gonna pick that, yeah. American bitch, the dog magazine for women and their dogs.
1:35:16 Bill Simmons? Great title.
1:35:17 Speaker 07 So good. Also, anything, uh, in, in-
1:35:20 Speaker 03 In the Swan household, everything they have there is like from the Sharper Image catalog. So any of the vintage Sharper Image items in there, the massage chair, something like that. The kickboxing dummy.
1:35:31 Speaker 07 It's very scary.
1:35:32 Speaker 03 Very alarming. Yeah.
1:35:34 Bill Simmons? Coach Finstock award for best life lesson. I mean, there's a lesson, which is we need more mockumentaries. The life lesson would be, hey, even if you have two left feet.
1:35:43 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:35:43 Bill Simmons? There's hope in sight.
1:35:45 Speaker 03 That's really sweet.
1:35:46 Speaker 07 Really touching. I like that. I was gonna say.
1:35:47 Bill Simmons? You never know when you're needed in a dog show.
1:35:49 Speaker 07 If you get the chance to fuck Cookie Google, then you better do it.
1:35:53 Speaker 03 What about always have a backup of your pet or child's favorite toy?
1:35:56 Speaker 07 Yeah, don't leave home without.
1:35:57 Bill Simmons? Oh, that's really sweet, especially going to a dog show.
1:35:59 Speaker 07 You can never pack too many kimonos?
1:36:02 Speaker 03 Correct.
1:36:02 Speaker 07 That's another life lesson?
1:36:03 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:36:04 Speaker 07 Certainly.
1:36:04 Bill Simmons? We have this wishbone toy from Murph and we have like nine of them.
1:36:07 Speaker 07 There you go. Yeah.
1:36:08 Bill Simmons? And then sometimes they'll just triple down on the wishbones.
1:36:11 Speaker 07 We do that with Halo's min stick.
1:36:13 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:36:13 Speaker 07 Cannot risk running out of a min stick.
1:36:14 Speaker 03 My, my youngest cousin had this like puffy and there were like nine different puffies and they were all bedraggled.
1:36:21 Bill Simmons? Cause it turns out pets are dumb and they don't know there's multiple versions of the same.
1:36:24 Speaker 07 That is not true.
1:36:25 Bill Simmons? Best double feature choice?
1:36:28 Speaker 03 Why don't we get a marathon? Do Waiting for Guffman, Fashion Show, Mighty Win?
1:36:32 Bill Simmons? I think you go Guffman here.
1:36:34 Speaker 07 I like that.
1:36:35 Bill Simmons? Fishes too.
1:36:35 Speaker 07 I, I, if we're allowed to mix movies and TV, I would like to go from this right into a Schitt's Creek rewatch, but.
1:36:41 Bill Simmons? We're not allowed. Who won the movie?
1:36:44 Speaker 07 I, I can't decide between, I think it's Higgins. Higgins, Posey, O'Hara and Willard. I just can't decide. They're all incredible.
1:36:53 Bill Simmons? It's, for me, it's Higgins or Willard, but I think it's Willard because he's more known for how good he was in the movie than Higgins is. Higgins is like the stealth, I've seen this movie so many times, choice. But Willard's like, people kind of know this.
1:37:07 Speaker 07 Yeah, that's true.
1:37:08 Bill Simmons? You know what I mean?
1:37:09 Speaker 07 Yeah. Like if you see clips from this movie, it's, it's him.
1:37:12 Bill Simmons? Or it's, or it's somebody mentioning him.
1:37:13 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
1:37:15 Bill Simmons? All right. Big moment. Producer Craig, he's missed a couple. He's been traveling. He's busy.
1:37:21 Speaker 07 And this is your first.
1:37:21 Speaker 03 Busy bee.
1:37:22 Speaker 07 Oh, and this is your first time watching it?
1:37:24 Speaker 03 That's right. Yeah. Uh, this is one of Liz's favorite movies and I.
1:37:27 Speaker 04 I don't know. I can't believe I missed the Best in Show wave. I don't know why. I've like always known about it. I've always been circling it. Very happy I got to watch it. I mean, I thought it was hilarious. Every character is worthy of their own movie, honestly. Like, you could have every, you could have a spinoff for every single character. What, one thing I think this comedy does really well that most don't is third acts of comedies are usually the worst part of every comedy movie. And it's the exact opposite in this film. Like, I think it actually builds suspense and stays funny, which is incredibly hard, especially with improv. And I think in general with improv, I think it's definitely the purest form of comedy. And watching it work is better than watching something scripted work. It's like, I was telling Joe and Mal earlier, it's like sports, where watching professionals play sports
1:38:13 Speaker 04 is like watching professionals do improv, where the amateur version of it is truly unwatchable. Like, bad improv is terrible. But good improv is better than scripted comedy, in my opinion. So I absolutely love this. I do worry about, as Mal pointed out, I am 30. I'm not, I'm not 20. So I don't really represent Gen Z. But Bill, I kind of think this comedy is for adults. Not because of necessarily the subject matter, but I don't know if a 15-year-old, like, I think a 15-year-old would like Anchorman. I don't know if a 15-year-old would like this movie, and I don't even really know why.
1:38:45 Bill Simmons? I think you're right. It's a little bit more mature.
1:38:47 Speaker 04 Yeah, but it's not even the subject matter. It's, I mean, it's PG.
1:38:51 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:38:52 Speaker 04 But for some reason, I don't know if it translates down to, like, teens.
1:38:56 Bill Simmons? The only thing I worried about it was whether, because the dog community is so weird and in so many different places on social media now, it's like people have a better handle on it. Have seen this level of weirdness. This movie seems less weird if you just are on Instagram reels for an hour.
1:39:13 Speaker 04 I guess also, this movie made $20 million in America in the year 2000 with no big star in it. Which is just like, 20 million is more than a Nora or a Brutus made domestically.
1:39:23 Bill Simmons? Is that true?
1:39:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:39:23 Bill Simmons? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's wild.
1:39:25 Speaker 04 That's unbelievable.
1:39:27 Bill Simmons? That's great. Did you have any Rocky thoughts while you're here?
1:39:30 Speaker 04 I mean, I love Rocky. I've seen it a million times. I do think it's like Austin Powers one, though, where when you go back and watch it, you're like, wow, this is way slower than I remember it being in my head. And two, three, and four actually move a bit quicker.
1:39:42 Bill Simmons? Yeah.
1:39:43 Speaker 04 Um, also, this movie is the greatest that guy movie of all time, I think.
1:39:46 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:39:46 Speaker 04 Best in show. It's Hall of Fame. Cause I think, as you know, I think your guys' bar for who qualifies as a that guy is way too fucking high. Like Ed Begley is a that guy. Like my, every normal person in the world is, does not know it's Ed Begley.
1:39:59 Speaker 07 Fragg.
1:40:00 Speaker 04 Come on, you guys, John Michael Higgins, Fred Willard.
1:40:04 Bill Simmons? John Michael Higgins isn't that guy.
1:40:05 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:40:06 Speaker 04 I would, even the average person, I would say, could not just immediately name Catherine O'Hara.
1:40:11 Speaker 07 That is not true.
1:40:12 Speaker 03 That's not true after Schitt's Creek.
1:40:13 Speaker 04 We work at The Ringer. We work at The Ringer.
1:40:15 Speaker 03 After Schitt's Creek, that's not true.
1:40:16 Speaker 04 Maybe, maybe.
1:40:17 Bill Simmons? Well, no, he's making it, he's, it's a fair case that normal people.
1:40:21 Speaker 03 No, not after Schitt's Creek.
1:40:22 Speaker 07 No.
1:40:22 Speaker 03 Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara.
1:40:24 Speaker 07 Schitt's Creek is one of the most popular beloved shows of the last decade.
1:40:26 Speaker 04 That's fine, that's fine.
1:40:27 Speaker 07 She's the mom in Home Alone.
1:40:29 Bill Simmons? Well, would this movie came out?
1:40:30 Speaker 04 Absolutely, when this movie came out.
1:40:30 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:40:31 Bill Simmons? Just not everybody was a that guy.
1:40:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:40:33 Bill Simmons? Everybody was a that guy in this movie.
1:40:35 Speaker 07 Sure.
1:40:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:40:36 Speaker 07 Yes.
1:40:36 Bill Simmons? I don't know.
1:40:36 Speaker 07 But we are recording this podcast in 2025.
1:40:39 Speaker 04 I just, I just always love when it's like, is Bob Balaban a that guy? No, he's Bob Balaban. I'm like, there's no normal person who's like, that's Bob Balaban.
1:40:46 Speaker 03 I love Bob Balaban.
1:40:49 Speaker 07 Oh, man.
1:40:51 Speaker 03 Severance star Bob Balaban?
1:40:52 Speaker 07 It's valuable feedback, Craig.
1:40:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, all these people are bad guys. Um, wait, there's one more thing I saw, uh, like researching this movie. Did you know that Ariana Grande is a massive fan of this film?
1:41:04 Speaker 03 That tracks.
1:41:05 Bill Simmons? Really?
1:41:05 Speaker 04 She did a YouTube parody with her friend and co-star from the TV show she was on. Was it Victorious? I forget the name of it.
1:41:12 Speaker 03 Cat and something, right?
1:41:14 Speaker 04 Oh, maybe it was that one. But they do a 10-minute remake, like a recreation where she plays Jennifer Coolidge, cause she can obviously do that impression. And she also plays Jerry and her co-star plays Cookie and, and, uh, and Max. And it's hilarious and it made me think that we should, we, there should be a full remake of this movie with a completely different plot and younger, new actors.
1:41:38 Speaker 07 How dare you?
1:41:39 Speaker 04 It's not, it wouldn't be about. Dog show, it's just like Christopher Guest doing something like this again with like
1:41:45 Speaker 07 Sure.
1:41:46 Speaker 04 ushering in a new young cast.
1:41:47 Speaker 07 Yes.
1:41:48 Speaker 04 To try something like this.
1:41:49 Speaker 07 That would be great, but a remake?
1:41:51 Bill Simmons? Well, it's a re- a new movie.
1:41:52 Speaker 04 It's like in the universe.
1:41:53 Bill Simmons? In the universe.
1:41:54 Speaker 07 I would like that. I would like, uh, I would like to, to be in the world, but also to check in with the characters. Like, what are the flex up to 25 years later?
1:42:03 Speaker 04 Oh, see, I don't want that. I, I hate the rehashing.
1:42:06 Speaker 07 No, but what if we did Best in Show? What if we did Best in Show Two?
1:42:12 Bill Simmons? Cookie flexing mature porn.
1:42:14 Speaker 07 But like, our original cast members could be around.
1:42:17 Speaker 04 Maybe Cookie and Jerry run the dog show or something and you can check in with them.
1:42:22 Speaker 07 Exactly. Yeah. The Cobra Kai Comp is a great one.
1:42:24 Bill Simmons? Last question.
1:42:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:42:25 Bill Simmons? Did, uh, who is Liz Kelly's favorite character in this movie?
1:42:28 Speaker 04 Um, who did she laugh at the most? I would say Catherine O'Hara hurting her knee was up there. And then honestly, we both died at Max berating his son on the, on the shed.
1:42:40 Speaker 07 Just me alone on this island. That's fine.
1:42:46 Bill Simmons? It's just so good.
1:42:47 Speaker 04 It's so good. That guy's the perfect cast for that role.
1:42:51 Bill Simmons? All right. That's it for the rewatchables produced by Craig Royalbeck. You can watch those video on Spotify. You can watch them on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel as well. You can see these two on House of R.
1:43:00 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:43:00 Bill Simmons? And on Prestige.
1:43:02 Speaker 07 That's right.
1:43:03 Bill Simmons? White Lotus, as we're taping this, so this will run on Mondays. There have been
1:43:07 Speaker 07 Four.
1:43:08 Bill Simmons? Four episodes heading toward a monster fifth episode on a show we like very much. Thanks, guys. Good to see you.
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