‘Air Force One’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Bill, Chris, and Sean hop into the emergency pod and save the White House by rewatching Harrison Ford as President James Marshall in the 1997 classic ‘Air Force One,’ also starring Gary Oldman and Glenn Close. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:05Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables, brought to by The Ringer Podcast Network. We can find The Big Picture with Sean Fennessy.

• 0:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, sir.

• 0:11Bill Simmons?

  You can find... What are you working on?

• 0:14Chris Ryan?

  I only podcast for Mother Russia.

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  The Watch was CR. Air Force One is on Netflix all month, and thank God, because it's the best, and it's coming up next.

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• 2:42Bill Simmons?

  Air Force One has been hijacked, and only President Harrison Ford can save the day. I'm trying to think of a scenario. I wouldn't have greenlit this as a studio president.

• 2:52Sean Fennessey?

  Why can't we just make these movies right now?

• 2:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:54Sean Fennessey?

  Like, why does this not exist right now?

• 2:56Chris Ryan?

  There was like, oh, we ran out of forms of transportation to do Die Hard on it. I was like, disagree.

• 3:01Sean Fennessey?

  Like, get a life raft.

• 3:02Chris Ryan?

  Just run them back. Like, I don't know. The bus had more mileage on it.

• 3:06Bill Simmons?

  My daughter asked me which one we're doing, because sometimes she likes to watch ahead of time. Very rarely does she actually want to see the movie. So I was like, Air Force One. She's like, what's that? It's like, wow, Harrison Ford's the president, plane gets hijacked. It's like, that sounds amazing. I was like, yeah, came out 29 years ago. I don't know. Like, so what happened? We just make these for streamers now with cheaper casts?

• 3:30Sean Fennessey?

  I guess.

• 3:31Bill Simmons?

  And CGI?

• 3:32Sean Fennessey?

  This is considered like, the end of this run, right? That this is like, a 10-year period of these kinds of movies, but it's the ultimate elevator pitch, right? Harrison Ford is the president, Air Force One has been hijacked, he has to get control of the plane.

• 3:45Bill Simmons?

  Directed by Wolfie Peterson.

• 3:46Chris Ryan?

  Wolf Pete, yeah.

• 3:48Sean Fennessey?

  Two Wolf Peterson movies on this show before.

• 3:51Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 3:51Sean Fennessey?

  Both of them, just you guys.

• 3:54Chris Ryan?

  Is that true? Fire and Perfect Storm?

• 3:56Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 3:56Chris Ryan?

  We didn't do Perfect Storm with you?

• 3:57Sean Fennessey?

  No. It was a bromance.

• 3:59Bill Simmons?

  Who did we do Perfect Storm with?

• 4:00Chris Ryan?

  Just two guys staring at each other, just being like, Bobby, you and me.

• 4:03Sean Fennessey?

  Bobby.

• 4:04Chris Ryan?

  We're gonna make a run at it.

• 4:06Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I have a whole section for you to cook with Wolf Pete later.

• 4:09Sean Fennessey?

  Great. Love Wolfie.

• 4:10Bill Simmons?

  I had the whole complete list of Die Hard-inspired thrillers. Bus, Speed, Boat, Under Siege.

• 4:21Chris Ryan?

  And Speed 2.

• 4:21Sean Fennessey?

  Speed 2, yeah.

• 4:22Bill Simmons?

  Boarding School, Two Soldiers.

• 4:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:26Bill Simmons?

  Hockey Game, Sudden Death.

• 4:27Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:28Bill Simmons?

  Alcatraz, The Rock.

• 4:30Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:32Bill Simmons?

  Airport, Die Hard 2. I think we've done all of these so far that I've said. Mountain, Cliffhanger, Prison Plane, Con Air, came out this same summer. Airplane, Passenger 57. And technically, I guess this would be the, this is presidential airplanes, that would be the difference. I don't know. What was left? What could we have done, CR?

• 4:53Chris Ryan?

  Spaceship.

• 4:54Bill Simmons?

  Did we do a spaceship?

• 4:55Chris Ryan?

  They did Taking a Pelham 123, the remake after this, right? So that's the Tony Scott line, which is...

• 5:00Sean Fennessey?

  Unstoppable.

• 5:01Chris Ryan?

  Unstoppable.

• 5:02Bill Simmons?

  Oh, The Train That Wouldn't Stop.

• 5:04Chris Ryan?

  Which we've also done for Rewatchables with Tarantino.

• 5:06Bill Simmons?

  I don't consider that a Die Hard movie.

• 5:08Sean Fennessey?

  I guess there's no real villain, right?

• 5:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 5:09Sean Fennessey?

  They just need to slow the train. It's just a dumbass. Who plays the dumbass in that movie?

• 5:13Chris Ryan?

  TJ Miller and the other guy. Who's the other guy?

• 5:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the other guy who lets the train off the tracks.

• 5:18Chris Ryan?

  Because he's like, eating a hoagie, and they're just like, shit.

• 5:20Bill Simmons?

  Could they have done it like the Rewatchables podcast?

• 5:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's Ethan Suppley.

• 5:24Bill Simmons?

  Like, we're doing the Rewatchables and terrorists take over? And they just shoot a howl?

• 5:29Chris Ryan?

  Die Hard on a podcast.

• 5:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Die Hard on a Pod. Die Pod on a Hard.

• 5:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I don't know, but what's left?

• 5:34Chris Ryan?

  But then at the end of the podcast, you have to upload your own podcast, because everybody else has been killed.

• 5:39Bill Simmons?

  Press the second button.

• 5:41Chris Ryan?

  He's like, holding a gun to your head.

• 5:42Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, God, I sent it to Amazon. No, no!

• 5:44Chris Ryan?

  Explain what Apex Mountain is. Explain it.

• 5:48Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, helicopter? We never really got a helicopter.

• 5:51Bill Simmons?

  That, it's not big enough.

• 5:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Like, how big of a... I think that we probably could do Billionaire Super Yacht at this point. That's come back around.

• 5:59Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, it's a good idea.

• 6:00Chris Ryan?

  I think, um...

• 6:01Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's interesting. So like, St. Bart's in December?

• 6:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:04Bill Simmons?

  All the, all the CEOs are there, and there's like, a terrorist?

• 6:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but like, Rihanna is also on it, right?

• 6:10Bill Simmons?

  Tom Brady. Tom Brady's trying to get laid. Tom Brady's playing himself.

• 6:14Chris Ryan?

  KB, these guys have taken the boat by force.

• 6:19Sean Fennessey?

  This is your cue, Craig. This is your cue, man.

• 6:22Chris Ryan?

  This boat's going down, KB!

• 6:27Chris Ryan?

  KB, I don't know what they're teaching terrorists in college. They're not reading the defense. These quarterbacks don't learn how to swim anymore, KB. I can swim.

• 6:35Bill Simmons?

  This sounds great. I'm greenlighting this right now.

• 6:39Sean Fennessey?

  Superboat. Let's do it.

• 6:40Bill Simmons?

  Somebody's playing Bezos, somebody's playing David Geffen.

• 6:43Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it sounds good.

• 6:44Chris Ryan?

  And that's right. And then they would have to get like, uh, like a steward, like somebody working in the like, bottom of the boat to help them, and then they realize...

• 6:52Bill Simmons?

  It's Terrell Owens.

• 6:52Chris Ryan?

  This, this wealth disparity, Terrell Owens.

• 6:56Bill Simmons?

  He was there, he was visiting somebody.

• 6:58Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, but there is, I mean, there is like, a crop of guys, like Michael B. Jordan, Austin Butler, like, these guys, they could be making these movies right now, but they don't really make these movies now.

• 7:06Bill Simmons?

  They started to do it again in the 2010s with those White House Down type of movies.

• 7:10Sean Fennessey?

  True.

• 7:11Bill Simmons?

  And they tried to do the 2.0 version of these.

• 7:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:14Bill Simmons?

  I love the 1.0.

• 7:15Chris Ryan?

  And then those kind of morphed into environmental disaster, like The Rock has to save his wife during an earthquake, like...

• 7:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. San Andreas.

• 7:24Chris Ryan?

  Kind of thing. Yeah.

• 7:26Bill Simmons?

  Skyscraper's a sore subject with me, because I don't, that one and San Andreas, one of those two should have been good.

• 7:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Bill Simmons?

  We went 0 for 2.

• 7:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:33Bill Simmons?

  San Andreas should have been good.

• 7:35Sean Fennessey?

  Good ideas.

• 7:35Bill Simmons?

  Right ideas. I even liked in San Andreas, I liked the cast.

• 7:39Sean Fennessey?

  Carlo Gugino.

• 7:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And Alexandra Daddario. I mean, the greatest mother-daughter combo ever.

• 7:44Bill Simmons?

  It's sitting there for somebody to kind of do it. It's, for like, an actor who's

• 7:48Chris Ryan?

  like, ah, you know, I'm not quite doing this, and I'm not quite doing that. It's like, maybe we should just like, make a Die Hard movie.

• 7:53Sean Fennessey?

  Who do you want to do it?

• 7:55Bill Simmons?

  Well, so who would have been if we made Air Force One in 2026? Who's the president?

• 8:00Sean Fennessey?

  You gotta think about how old he was, right?

• 8:02Chris Ryan?

  Matt Damon?

• 8:03Sean Fennessey?

  Probably in that range.

• 8:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:05Sean Fennessey?

  Late 40s, early 50s.

• 8:07Chris Ryan?

  I had this written down. I was like, who are the, who are the three actors? Oldman, Close, and Harrison Ford? I said, Matt Damon, Sam Rockwell, and Cate Blanchett. Rockwell as the terrorist? Mm-hmm.

• 8:16Sean Fennessey?

  That's pretty good.

• 8:17Chris Ryan?

  Would Rockwell be doing Russian?

• 8:19Sean Fennessey?

  Cate Blanchett's a little high class. I guess Glenn Close was too.

• 8:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:22Sean Fennessey?

  That's the thing with this movie, is like, fucking Glenn Close and Gary Oldman.

• 8:26Chris Ryan?

  You'd be like, eight Oscar novels.

• 8:28Bill Simmons?

  Glenn Close is, well, we'll talk about her later, but she's really taking it seriously.

• 8:32Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 8:32Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, she cooks in this movie.

• 8:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's really, really acting.

• 8:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. She's like, bursting into tears at one scene.

• 8:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Harrison Ford was paid 20 million, and this is the tail end of the run right here.

• 8:44Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 8:45Bill Simmons?

  We had Clear and Present, Danger 94, Sabrina 95, Devil's Own 97. The year after is Six Days and Seven Nights, when Ian Hetch comes out, she's dating Ellen DeGeneres, like, right before the movie comes out, sinks the movie somehow. Everybody, I didn't even know why that sunk the movie, but it did. And that was kind of the end of that era, the 80s, 90s with them.

• 9:06Chris Ryan?

  My Tom Clancy familiarity is like, fleeting, but if I remember correctly, so Patriot Games and Clear and Present, everybody's like, these movies are, these movies rule. And then, I think Jack Ryan becomes president in those books at some point?

• 9:20Sean Fennessey?

  He does, but I don't know if we ever got the movie where he does.

• 9:23Chris Ryan?

  No. I'm saying, this is it. Like, this is essentially like, a super Fantasia version of Jack Ryan. Guy used to be a helicopter pilot, everybody loves him, he rocks, and then he saves the day.

• 9:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what do they say? He's a Medal of Honor Vietnam War vet?

• 9:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he knows how to fight.

• 9:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He's a good UFC fight, the first fight scene.

• 9:41Chris Ryan?

  Dean Stockwell's like, but we can't be sure he's not dead. In which case, I'm president.

• 9:48Bill Simmons?

  That would be CR in the Die Hard movie at the Ringer office. He'd be like, we don't know if Bill's not dead. They might be telling him to say this.

• 9:56Sean Fennessey?

  Would you be consulting the Ringer Constitution?

• 9:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the regs.

• 9:59Sean Fennessey?

  Who would be the Phil Bigger Hall in the office at that point?

• 10:01Chris Ryan?

  Who just walks in?

• 10:03Bill Simmons?

  No, that's somebody, some Swedish guy comes in, talking about Article 25.

• 10:07Chris Ryan?

  Dungeon Joel Anderson gets to decide.

• 10:11Bill Simmons?

  What uh, what do we think of him as the president in this? Of the actual, like, him being the president? Cause I thought his speech in the beginning is really good.

• 10:19Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty credible.

• 10:20Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I, I was, I think, you know, we were recording this the day after election day, so I couldn't help but compare him a little bit to some of the folks on screen last night. And I do think he lacked a little energy in his, in his speech, but I guess he was sort of like the Steve McQueen of presidents. He was like, your turn to be afraid, you know, like bless his more kind of vibe.

• 10:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think he's like, kind of purposefully, very reserved and taciturn. I think there's like a way to read the movie that's like, he's a traumatized PTSD Vietnam veteran. Like that, that is a component of the character that like, they don't spend a lot of time talking about.

• 10:56Chris Ryan?

  McCain kind of?

• 10:57Sean Fennessey?

  A, a little bit where, and you can like, if, I love, I love watching him fight in this movie, cause he always, and in any movie, he always looks like a little surprised by what he's just done.

• 11:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:07Sean Fennessey?

  And like a little horrified by what he's, it's true in Indiana Jones movies too. But that's like, kind of his fight style. But in the, in this movie, I was like, wow, this is a guy who's being re-traumatized by the war. You know, he's like, he's back in action.

• 11:18Bill Simmons?

  First blood.

• 11:18Sean Fennessey?

  Truly.

• 11:20Bill Simmons?

  I've seen Harrison Ford fight in enough movies that I feel like I could take him. I mean, I definitely could now, cause he's like 85. He's got two moves. He does the lunge forward where he's like, ah, you just gotta move to the side.

• 11:33Sean Fennessey?

  Sure, body blow.

• 11:34Bill Simmons?

  And then he really only has the right hook. He doesn't have a lot of moves.

• 11:37Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 11:37Bill Simmons?

  In this one, he tries to do the come from behind strangle move on the guy from Toy Soldiers.

• 11:42Chris Ryan?

  What would your signature move be?

• 11:43Bill Simmons?

  Well, I would know he was gonna go for the lunge. I would step aside and just nail him with like a liver punch.

• 11:48Sean Fennessey?

  And then you get him down and then razor's edge and then he's out.

• 11:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think you could take him, I mean, Ben Cock Craig could take him out in five seconds.

• 11:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the way I'm cooking right now, absolutely.

• 11:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's no question.

• 11:58Sean Fennessey?

  Ford would grind you to dust, I think.

• 12:01Bill Simmons?

  I think Witness Ford, I think, could take me.

• 12:04Chris Ryan?

  He was actually like a carpenter and like did his own stunts for a long time.

• 12:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not saying I could take 80s Ford, but I think by 97, I think I could take Ford.

• 12:11Chris Ryan?

  So you're saying on the set of Shrinking, you've got Ford.

• 12:14Bill Simmons?

  I, I absolutely destroy Ford.

• 12:17Sean Fennessey?

  You should look down the barrel of the camera and call him out right now. I want you in the ring.

• 12:21Bill Simmons?

  We're the weirdest online fight ever.

• 12:23Sean Fennessey?

  Leave me on lunch, man.

• 12:26Sean Fennessey?

  I'll bust your ass, Indiana.

• 12:30Sean Fennessey?

  He does throw a mean kick in this movie to that guy that he gets on the ground though. That's a, that's a big time, that's like a Kurt Hennig, you know, Mr. Perfect kind of kick.

• 12:38Bill Simmons?

  I mean, he did lose to the one-armed man. That's the worst loss in his resume.

• 12:41Sean Fennessey?

  It's tough.

• 12:42Bill Simmons?

  Cause ass kicked, guy had one arm.

• 12:44Sean Fennessey?

  That guy was just a doctor though.

• 12:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, fair. Best movie presidents ever. Maybe the top four all happen in five years, cause we have Kevin Kline as Dave.

• 12:54Sean Fennessey?

  Number one.

• 12:54Bill Simmons?

  We have Michael Douglas as American president. We have Bill Pullman in Independence Day and then Harrison Ford in Air Force One. And that might be the four in some order.

• 13:02Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that that's all coming out of Clinton?

• 13:06Bill Simmons?

  I wanted to talk about that, cause I, I think it's not just Clinton and the vibes of America during this stretch, but also two decades after Watergate. A lot of distrust with the, you know, that whole, everything that went on in the seventies and just the vibes were better. And we kind of believed in the presidency, which is ironic, especially this week as we're, you know, taping the podcast. But this, this really was like the most feel-good time with the, with the presidency as like a movie gimmick.

• 13:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, we are, we are entrenched in some Clinton scandal when the movie comes out.

• 13:40Bill Simmons?

  When the movie comes out?

• 13:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Bill Simmons?

  The Lewinsky thing, I think, kicks up either right around when this movie come out after. And then it starts to shift.

• 13:48Chris Ryan?

  A Lewinsky scandal would have taken the Marshall presidency to another level.

• 13:51Sean Fennessey?

  I, I had it in sequel prequel.

• 13:54Bill Simmons?

  So disappointed, yeah.

• 13:55Chris Ryan?

  The whole time, everybody's like, you disgusting pervert.

• 14:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I like, I also like Jeff Bridges in The Contender. I feel like he's a really, he's a really good one.

• 14:05Bill Simmons?

  So that's 2000, that's like three years later.

• 14:07Sean Fennessey?

  And speaking of Clinton, I feel like Travolta in Primary Colors is a really interesting read on, on like what the presidency is and like what that job is. But this guy is just, he's like a guy you want to believe in. That's the, that's how they frame him in this movie.

• 14:19Bill Simmons?

  You know, part of it moved to TV in the 2000s too, cause Haysbert was great in 24.

• 14:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:24Bill Simmons?

  He's on, he's on my shortlist and then uh, Martin Sheen. Which I think he kind of took the mantle as.

• 14:30Sean Fennessey?

  I think most people would say he's the number one, right?

• 14:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, if you're, if you're allowing TV. I think for movies, my favorite's always gonna be Dave.

• 14:40Bill Simmons?

  But I also don't think Dave could have pulled off what Harrison Ford does in Air Force One.

• 14:44Chris Ryan?

  I've always been a fan of the unseen president in Armageddon, who's just like, I just gotta level with you. We're gonna get it by an asteroid.

• 14:52Bill Simmons?

  But this definitely was the peak of us loving our presidents, I think. And I think when we hit the 21st century, Craig's generation.

• 15:01Chris Ryan?

  We've had some good ones, so, you know.

• 15:04Sean Fennessey?

  Who are your, rank them, top three, 21st century?

• 15:07Chris Ryan?

  Twenty years?

• 15:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 15:10Chris Ryan?

  The guy right now?

• 15:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:12Chris Ryan?

  Number one.

• 15:12Sean Fennessey?

  Is he one or three?

• 15:13Chris Ryan?

  Both.

• 15:14Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 15:14Bill Simmons?

  So James Marshall body count.

• 15:18Bill Simmons?

  Four, four deaths, single-handedly responsible and CTE, they, cause there's the one guy he knocks out.

• 15:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:24Bill Simmons?

  Does that guy get back up or, yeah, maybe he does.

• 15:26Chris Ryan?

  The one he knocks out from Michigan, Notre Dame is, he does get back up.

• 15:29Bill Simmons?

  He gets up and that's the first guy he shoots, so four. But I was trying to think of like, cause you know, it's election week. This is only his first term. What kind of election landslide is it for him second term after he pulls this off?

• 15:44Chris Ryan?

  When the stories come out that James Marshall just fucked up a bunch of Russian nationals?

• 15:48Bill Simmons?

  Got 27 people on parachutes, off the plane.

• 15:51Chris Ryan?

  Putting up Saddam.

• 15:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, no, it's, yeah.

• 15:53Bill Simmons?

  He went like 89% of the election.

• 15:55Sean Fennessey?

  FDR in 36, it's like the most insane.

• 15:57Chris Ryan?

  He doesn't even have to talk, like he could just be like, walk out.

• 16:01Sean Fennessey?

  Truly.

• 16:02Chris Ryan?

  Just be like.

• 16:03Bill Simmons?

  Then I was thinking there would be some sort of backlash and there would be attack ads about how Melanie died. They counted to 10 and the president just stood there and let her die.

• 16:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:15Bill Simmons?

  This is for Melanie.

• 16:16Sean Fennessey?

  Probably.

• 16:17Chris Ryan?

  That would be coming straight from the Dean Stockwell, Secretary of Defense guy, he'd be leaking like crazy.

• 16:21Sean Fennessey?

  The swift boating of James Marshall.

• 16:23Bill Simmons?

  What happened to William H. Macy at the end of that, this movie? What was James Marshall doing?

• 16:27Sean Fennessey?

  You could be like, James Marshall spent all this time with Secret Service Agent Gibbs and he never knew that he was a traitor to this country.

• 16:34Bill Simmons?

  He wasn't in on it?

• 16:35Chris Ryan?

  His judgment is, is called into question.

• 16:37Bill Simmons?

  I do think they probably would, that would probably be the attack.

• 16:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:41Bill Simmons?

  What, what mistakes did James Marshall make? And then there would be the counter of, he was saving everyone on the plane, motherfuckers. And this is, we would just go back and forth.

• 16:49Sean Fennessey?

  He did let a dozen people fly out of the back of that plane without a parachute. That was fucked up.

• 16:55Sean Fennessey?

  That was tough. I still get sad watching those people fly out of there.

• 16:59Bill Simmons?

  I have so many thoughts about that. Anyway, Harrison Ford, I think this is a 73 watchables movie somehow. Somehow we're not in double figures of the, and then Gary Oldman as Russian hijacker. Ivan Korshinov.

• 17:11Chris Ryan?

  Just a very rich time for me and Gary Oldman right here.

• 17:14Bill Simmons?

  I can't say I love the name though of Ivan Korshinov. I would've gone with Boris, I think.

• 17:19Chris Ryan?

  I think that would've been too close to Yeltsin at the time though. Like you, you want to separate.

• 17:23Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting.

• 17:23Chris Ryan?

  Cause the whole idea, I think, is that that guy, the Russian president that they're calling on the phone is supposed to be a Yeltsin standard and kind of brought down them.

• 17:31Bill Simmons?

  Everybody like, kind of liked Yeltsin back then.

• 17:33Sean Fennessey?

  And I mean, the name is, it should've been Vladimir. It should've been like Vlad the Impaler. And then we now, we now have Vladimir in Russia.

• 17:40Bill Simmons?

  Vlad Korshinov. He ran from here like a whipped dog.

• 17:47Bill Simmons?

  I think Oldman's great, but he's also overacting 20 times.

• 17:51Chris Ryan?

  Sam Jackson time to kill.

• 17:55Bill Simmons?

  He does, he ramps it up, but I think this is about as good of a villain.

• 18:00Chris Ryan?

  I mean, he's just, he's in a very pure zone during the nineties where like, he doesn't do anything that he doesn't, he's operating in such extreme waters all the time. Whether it's Dexter, In True Romance, or The Sky, or State of Grace, or what have you, yeah.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think he has a case for the greatest movie villain of all time. Not this character, like his run.

• 18:23Bill Simmons?

  Body of work.

• 18:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:24Sean Fennessey?

  JFK, Dracula, Drexel in True Romance, The Professional, Murder in the First, The Fifth Element. This is a five-year period.

• 18:29Chris Ryan?

  And then the guy with his face eaten off in Hannibal, right?

• 18:32Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 18:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:34Bill Simmons?

  Pretty good.

• 18:34Chris Ryan?

  Mason, what's his face?

• 18:35Bill Simmons?

  You Gary Oldman guy?

• 18:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, sure. He's a guy that I feel like always disappears into his roles. So I don't really have an opinion of like Gary Oldman the person, because in every movie, he feels so different.

• 18:44Sean Fennessey?

  He, he is the, I think probably Philip Seymour Hoffman's up there, Pacino's up there. The greatest yelling actors. Like whenever he gets bad news in this movie, he says an unintelligible Russian word that's just like, nay! He's just so angry.

• 19:02Chris Ryan?

  So I, this is, I was gonna do this for hottest take, but I might as well just talk about it. Like him and Pacino are completely inverted. Like Pacino starts out and is like so naturalistic and quiet and present and intense, but is like very calm and understated in Panic in Edel Park and the first two Godfathers. And Oldman comes flying out of a cannon and is like, his move is the, he does the deep breath in, screams, goes, everyone! It's like, that's his move? And then right around here, they cross paths and Pacino starts doing Sentimental Woman and he, and everything and screams for like 10 years.

• 19:39Bill Simmons?

  Devil's advocate.

• 19:40Chris Ryan?

  Oldman moves into playing Jim Gordon and playing, uh, who's he playing, Harry Potter?

• 19:46Sean Fennessey?

  Sirius Black.

• 19:47Chris Ryan?

  Sirius Black.

• 19:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 19:48Chris Ryan?

  And is like, I'm like basically like a very understated character.

• 19:51Bill Simmons?

  He goes acoustic Gary Cole, Gary Oldman.

• 19:54Chris Ryan?

  So you're unplugged.

• 19:55Bill Simmons?

  Interesting, so they switch bodies.

• 19:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, and now Slow Horses. He did win for Winston Churchill, which is a pretty like loud performance, but you're right though, he's way more quiet now.

• 20:04Chris Ryan?

  Although Craig and I out on that performance because it's fat suit.

• 20:07Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, right.

• 20:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Craig's anti-fat suit.

• 20:10Chris Ryan?

  It's like, gain the weight. You know?

• 20:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 20:12Sean Fennessey?

  You think sixty eight year old Gary Oldman should have gained the weight and had a coronary?

• 20:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 20:17Chris Ryan?

  If you.

• 20:17Bill Simmons?

  Use some doctors.

• 20:22Bill Simmons?

  They called him Scary Gary on the production because he was so scary in the scenes, but then he was like, would snap out of it immediately. And Harrison Ford said he was his favorite onscreen nemesis. They loved each other. There's all these stories about what a great time they had together. Kind of an odd couple.

• 20:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:41Bill Simmons?

  Harrison Ford's like, Harry, Travis.

• 20:46Sean Fennessey?

  Oldman is just so good at delivering lines of dialogue. I know it sounds like a stupid thing to say, but just like, we did a Hackman pod this week and it was like, Hackman's, the way, the way he chooses to pronounce words and enunciate. Oldman has the same thing where when you're listening to him, you were like so locked in on everything his character says.

• 21:05Chris Ryan?

  He's look like absolute peacock.

• 21:07Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 21:07Chris Ryan?

  He, he will take a line of dialogue and it's like, all right, man. And you're just like, oh, my God, I so believe Ivan here.

• 21:14Bill Simmons?

  How did we not have him in the Wayne Jenkins category? How did we not have Ivan?

• 21:17Chris Ryan?

  Ivan could go in there now. Yeah, we've been looking to refresh it anyway.

• 21:20Bill Simmons?

  You just, you just gotta go low and then lose your mind.

• 21:25Bill Simmons?

  Hey, we gotta do this now. It's a weakest link. It's a nitpick. It's a what's age the worst? But he does play the lead hijacker. And the strangest thing about this movie is they let these fucking people on the plane. It's just inexplicable. There's obviously some, some turmoil. They've just, you know, captured this general and then they're flying back. And they're like, yeah, there's this Russian TV crew.

• 21:48Chris Ryan?

  They just wanna hang out and hear about life inside the White House. Yeah.

• 21:51Bill Simmons?

  Did we check them out? Yeah, they're good.

• 21:53Sean Fennessey?

  Their thumbprint worked.

• 21:54Bill Simmons?

  Each guy, none of them look like they'd be like, just, you know, it's not like the crew from Argo. Where you're like, oh, these guys seem nice. Each guy's individually seems like one of the most evil villains you would see in a movie. The fucking toy soldiers guy is one of the guys. That, that guy's just, if he walked in right now, it would be like, oh, my God, we're all gonna die.

• 22:14Sean Fennessey?

  Completely.

• 22:14Bill Simmons?

  And they're just like, yeah, yeah, they're good. No, no, they're, they want ten minutes with you during the plane. It's fucking crazy, but that's why we love this movie.

• 22:21Sean Fennessey?

  They're all six, three and look like they were raised inside the Kremlin. Like they're, they're the most evil seeming guys of all time.

• 22:26Bill Simmons?

  They're sitting down and they're like, can we get any drinks? And they're just like.

• 22:31Bill Simmons?

  They're just casing the plane. It's fucking nuts.

• 22:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 22:35Bill Simmons?

  This is the one, the Air Force One.

• 22:37Chris Ryan?

  I would say that this movie is light on details of their procedure to getting on the plane because they're like, they must have, you know, gotten the fingerprints. It's like, how? It's nineteen ninety seven. Like, what surgery did they do to redo the fingerprints? And then we don't get a lot of Gibbs's motivation to sell out the entire nation of America.

• 22:57Bill Simmons?

  I got a lot of Gibbs thoughts coming later. Glenn Close plays Vice President Bennett.

• 23:03Bill Simmons?

  She's just approaching this like this, like she's in Amadeus.

• 23:07Sean Fennessey?

  No question.

• 23:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 23:08Bill Simmons?

  I don't think she knows it's an action movie. I think she thinks this is a really important possible Oscar winner.

• 23:15Sean Fennessey?

  That's why she's so great. It's because she treats every part like this.

• 23:18Chris Ryan?

  That's why these movies work. These movies work because the people in them, like Alan Rickman believes he's doing what he's doing and.

• 23:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 23:24Chris Ryan?

  Die Hard. Like.

• 23:25Sean Fennessey?

  I don't remember what the name of the movie was, but she was in the, the, uh, a horror movie on Netflix a couple of years ago. Was it Lee Daniels? Did Lee Daniels direct a horror movie a couple of years ago? And she's the only white woman in the movie.

• 23:39Chris Ryan?

  The Deliverance?

• 23:40Sean Fennessey?

  The Deliverance. And it's about a black family. And she is treating it like it's The Godfather. She is so fucking committed to this part. It's the most absurd, I encourage people to seek out clips of her talking because it's absurd. But she just always gives it a thousand percent.

• 23:56Bill Simmons?

  With that said, I, it would have been more fun if she played her like the Fatal Attraction lady and had frizzy hair. Who's just turning the light on and off and just, it was like the first lady who's gone crazy.

• 24:10Sean Fennessey?

  You can understand why she's so loyal to him though, because he made her the first female vice president.

• 24:15Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 24:15Sean Fennessey?

  You know, that was, that was a big step in American history.

• 24:18Chris Ryan?

  Broken, hurt feelings in that cabinet office, that cabinet room.

• 24:21Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. Dean Stockwell.

• 24:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was a little ahead of its time in nineteen ninety seven that we would have a female vice president. I'm trying to think of anyone that had, anyone even run before who was a female?

• 24:30Chris Ryan?

  Uh, yeah, Geraldine Ferrer.

• 24:31Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's right. That's right. With Mondo. Uh, we also, this is kind of a, uh, rewatchables, that guy All-Star team.

• 24:39Chris Ryan?

  Oh, my God. They didn't know what they had.

• 24:42Bill Simmons?

  Cause Macy's a that guy at this point. He becomes William H. Macy. Stockwell's Hall of Fame that guy. I think he's Dean Stockwell. Jürgen Prochnow? No lines of this movie. Doesn't say anything.

• 24:52Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible performance though.

• 24:53Bill Simmons?

  Just, just smoldering.

• 24:55Chris Ryan?

  When WP calls Prochnow, it's just, it's just a tell me where to.

• 24:59Bill Simmons?

  No, they're on a text chain that is, says Das Boot. With like three other Das Boot guys.

• 25:05Chris Ryan?

  Chat.

• 25:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Boot text. He's like, yo, Jerky.

• 25:11Sean Fennessey?

  I do love that reunion though. There's something cool about that.

• 25:14Bill Simmons?

  Wendy Cruisen, the mom from The Good Son. She plays the first lady.

• 25:20Bill Simmons?

  Andrew Diboff is Boris. He's the villain in Toy Soldiers. One of my favorite rewatchables Kyle Brad and I have ever done.

• 25:26Chris Ryan?

  Cherry in another forty eight hours.

• 25:29Bill Simmons?

  Xander Berkeley, AKA.

• 25:31Chris Ryan?

  Ralph.

• 25:32Bill Simmons?

  Go ahead. I'm gonna do an hour later.

• 25:34Chris Ryan?

  You cannot watch my dumb image, Ralph.

• 25:41Bill Simmons?

  Ralph's got a, a big part in this. Then Paul Guilfoyle.

• 25:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:45Bill Simmons?

  Who we just talked about in L A Confidential, big part in Spotlight. He's definitely a that guy. We know him as Paul Guilfoyle, but he's a that guy.

• 25:53Sean Fennessey?

  I think he's a world class that guy.

• 25:54Bill Simmons?

  World class.

• 25:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:55Bill Simmons?

  Higher level. And then, uh.

• 25:57Chris Ryan?

  There's a lot of, like, a lot of guys. I mean, J A Pearson, who's the judge in A Few Good Men.

• 26:01Sean Fennessey?

  J B Preston. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:04Bill Simmons?

  And then our guy Phil Baker Hall.

• 26:06Chris Ryan?

  One, two, two, like one and a half scenes for Phil Baker Hall.

• 26:09Bill Simmons?

  He filmed one and a half scenes of thirty seven movies from nineteen ninety five to two thousand, it feels like.

• 26:14Sean Fennessey?

  So good.

• 26:15Bill Simmons?

  So they're just all over the place. Then, uh, then W Pete. In the Line of Fire, Outbreak, Air Force One, Perfect Storm and Troy in an eleven year span.

• 26:25Chris Ryan?

  Pretty great.

• 26:26Bill Simmons?

  And then that was it. What's your favorite of those five? This one?

• 26:28Chris Ryan?

  Probably In the Line of Fire.

• 26:30Bill Simmons?

  What about you?

• 26:31Sean Fennessey?

  I think this is the most entertaining. I think In the Line of Fire is probably the best movie of his. He kinda like, and this is in this movie. He just got real lazy and just went real CGI towards the end.

• 26:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 26:42Sean Fennessey?

  If there's one.

• 26:42Bill Simmons?

  That was my issue with Troy.

• 26:43Sean Fennessey?

  If there's one real negative about those last couple of movies, it's that there's a huge reliance on, on CGI. And that's kind of a drag because he's, he's so good at staging action. I mean, the, the, the action scenes inside the cabin of the plane in this movie are, holy shit. Like the way that he blocks and you know exactly where you are in the cabin at any time. It's amazing.

• 27:02Chris Ryan?

  Setting it up so that like when the action takes place, you understand it. It's so good, but.

• 27:06Bill Simmons?

  I like how they use the, there's like the fridge. That has the milk and the OJ in it and it's, and they spend, they establish it so you know where you are on the plane. They come back to it like three other times. It's like, oh, I, I, oh, we're in this part now.

• 27:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's, I mean, because you know, Das Boat is just all in the submarines. It's, it's the same thing. You kinda need to know where you are inside the boat at any given time. So he's so good in those confined spaces. So it's kind of a drag when the movie is like, and now exploding jets are everywhere.

• 27:31Chris Ryan?

  That's really a good point. He's, like, you think about those scenes, like the elevator fight in Line of Fire. Or like the rooftop chase where he just like really gets, he really understands just like, oh, these guys, you're the limits of what these guys can do. But I'm gonna exploit all of it.

• 27:45Bill Simmons?

  How would you describe Wolf Pete in one second, in one sentence as a director?

• 27:50Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, probably the ultimate claustrophobia action filmmaker. Where just like, you always feel like something is like right around the corner in all the movies that he makes, which is why he's such a weird choice for a movie like Troy, which I'm not, I'm not a huge fan of.

• 28:02Bill Simmons?

  I don't like it either.

• 28:03Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, cause it's like, that's like open, the open terrain in the open world, but like trapped on a boat on the perfect storm. Like he's, he really is like good in those tight spaces.

• 28:12Bill Simmons?

  I saw Troy with Adam Carolla at the Me and Chinese Theater. He's like, here's the thing about Brad Pitt. He's fucking ripped.

• 28:22Bill Simmons?

  That is not an overnight body. You were putting in three, four months.

• 28:26Chris Ryan?

  I thought he was suggesting it was, he was juicing. Okay.

• 28:29Bill Simmons?

  He probably did.

• 28:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:30Bill Simmons?

  I don't, I don't even know. Uh, cinematography, your guy.

• 28:33Chris Ryan?

  Ball House.

• 28:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Bill Simmons?

  He's back.

• 28:36Chris Ryan?

  Guy she shot fucking Goodfellas. He made Air Force One. It's amazing. There are a couple of shots, we'll do it when we get to Gordo, where you're just like, you're cooking way harder than you need to for Air Force One.

• 28:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, this movie's gonna make three hundred million dollars. Take a, take a breath. Have a, have a potato chip.

• 28:55Sean Fennessey?

  We, we bag on like the Europeans as our movie stars now, but this is kind of an amazing collection of European people. And Australians like Wolfgang and, and Ball House and Jürgen Prochnow, obviously all German. Oldman is British. And then Richard Francis Bruce, who is the editor of the movie, is Australian and was like Peter Weir's editor. And, uh, he got nominated for an Academy Award for best editing for this movie. And the other four nominees were the best picture nominees. And then Air Force One.

• 29:24Sean Fennessey?

  That's amazing.

• 29:26Bill Simmons?

  That is funny, the Oscars and Air Force One.

• 29:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but like, I bet if you were an editor and you were watching this, you were like, Richard was cooking here.

• 29:33Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 29:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Bill Simmons?

  Best Sound also nominated. Titanic beat them both times. Craig's guy Jerry Goldsmith did the, uh, composing, did the soundtrack.

• 29:43Chris Ryan?

  My guy?

• 29:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we've done Jerry in a few movies.

• 29:45Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 29:46Bill Simmons?

  Rudy.

• 29:47Chris Ryan?

  Come in like Edwin Diaz to fix this thing because Randy Newman had done the score first and then they're like, this doesn't work.

• 29:52Sean Fennessey?

  Overpaid and injured?

• 29:53Chris Ryan?

  What's?

• 29:54Sean Fennessey?

  Like Edwin Diaz?

• 29:55Bill Simmons?

  I had that for what's age the best. Randy Newman had the first crack at the score and it was so bad they had to scramble. And see if Jerry Goldsmith was available.

• 30:04Sean Fennessey?

  Weird choice.

• 30:05Bill Simmons?

  I've, I've killed Randy Newman on previous rewatchables episodes. I've never understood it. I can't imagine his Air Force One score.

• 30:12Chris Ryan?

  Do you think he had like a theme song? Like, that's my fight in prison.

• 30:17Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna make that joke.

• 30:18Sean Fennessey?

  That's your Randy Newman.

• 30:20Bill Simmons?

  Flying here on Air Force One.

• 30:24Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I love Randy Newman, so I'm not gonna blaspheme him here.

• 30:33Bill Simmons?

  Reading Newman, you can simultaneously have a good run and then become a complete self parody in the same career. And I think it happened with him.

• 30:40Sean Fennessey?

  He's coming right off of Toy Story.

• 30:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:42Sean Fennessey?

  Right. And You've Got a Friend in Me, which is a huge thing. And I highly doubt there was a theme song. There was.

• 30:49Chris Ryan?

  We don't know. I'm just saying, we don't know.

• 30:50Sean Fennessey?

  We don't know. That's true. We don't know.

• 30:51Bill Simmons?

  You've got a present, Meg?

• 30:54Bill Simmons?

  Can you imagine?

• 30:56Bill Simmons?

  He's played the CD.

• 30:58Chris Ryan?

  Just some like really goofy ragtime is playing while Gary Oldman is fucking shooting people in the head.

• 31:06Bill Simmons?

  Wolfags played the CD of the tracks. Newman, they're like, what the fuck is this?

• 31:11Chris Ryan?

  Get me Jay Goldsmith.

• 31:14Bill Simmons?

  Get it now. Eighty-five million dollar budget. It made three hundred and fifteen million dollars. I think it was fifth in nineteen ninety-seven. Ebert gave it two and a half stars.

• 31:27Chris Ryan?

  To your point.

• 31:28Bill Simmons?

  Something a half star short, in my opinion.

• 31:29Chris Ryan?

  I remember when this came out, I think I was living in Boston by this time. Yeah, but I.

• 31:34Bill Simmons?

  We probably were in the same theater watching this.

• 31:35Chris Ryan?

  But I remember like talking to my, my parents that like around when this came out and it was like such a given. It was like, oh yeah, we're gonna go see Harrison Ford be the president on a hostage plane. Definitely.

• 31:47Bill Simmons?

  That's what Patriot Games and Queen of Presidents Danger was too. It's a given you were going.

• 31:51Sean Fennessey?

  This came out on the weekend of my fifteenth birthday. And this is what I did for my fifteenth birthday was go see this movie. It was amazing. I, we had the best time.

• 32:00Bill Simmons?

  Ebert said Harrison Ford is one of the most likable and convincing of movie stars and he almost pulls off the impossible in Air Force One. I don't mean he saves the day. I mean, he almost saves the movie. Here's a good example of how star power can breathe new life into old cliches and Air Force One is rich with cliches.

• 32:19Bill Simmons?

  That's a, it's like a mild fuck you Raj on that.

• 32:21Chris Ryan?

  I think it's take it easy Raj.

• 32:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's like, okay, we get it. It's a diehard movie, but I don't feel like there's a lot of cliches in this. There's things in this movie I've never seen before.

• 32:31Sean Fennessey?

  I think mostly what doesn't work about it is just that there's kind of a junkiness to some of the action, big action set pieces. But the movie itself.

• 32:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 32:37Sean Fennessey?

  Considering what it is, like, I don't know.

• 32:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:40Sean Fennessey?

  It feels pretty solid. It's two hours. It flies. There's, it doesn't drag. It's way overqualified actors all over the place. Fight stuff is good. I don't know.

• 32:50Bill Simmons?

  Three stars for me.

• 32:52Chris Ryan?

  For you or for Raj?

• 32:53Bill Simmons?

  No, for me. I would have gone three.

• 32:55Chris Ryan?

  Out of five or four?

• 32:56Bill Simmons?

  Out of four.

• 32:57Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 32:57Bill Simmons?

  This is a three star action movie.

• 32:59Sean Fennessey?

  I agree.

• 33:00Bill Simmons?

  Fugitive's like a three and a half. Darkard's a four. Speed's a three. Speed's a four. This is a three.

• 33:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the kicker is really mean in this piece. He's like, I saw a movie the other day about a woman in Paris who lost her cat. And you know what? It was more exciting than this. At least when the cat got up off the roof, it knew to look, it knew enough to look down. Which is a jab about how the people don't look down when they're looking out the back of the parachute jump.

• 33:23Bill Simmons?

  I did have that in nitpicks. I'd be a lot more scared in that ramp.

• 33:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:30Sean Fennessey?

  Again, CGI problem.

• 33:31Bill Simmons?

  We'll take a break and come back with rewatchable scenes.

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• 35:09Bill Simmons?

  Most rewatchable scene, the opening. Is there anything better than guys in parachutes just, just firing?

• 35:16Sean Fennessey?

  Halo jump.

• 35:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I don't feel like we've had that enough. It happens in Bond movies.

• 35:19Sean Fennessey?

  Mission Impossible.

• 35:20Bill Simmons?

  It's happened in Mission Impossible.

• 35:21Chris Ryan?

  But those are American soldiers taking Radek, right?

• 35:23Sean Fennessey?

  Correct.

• 35:24Chris Ryan?

  Right. Cause they later on, he's like, oh, I, I got screwed over by Petrov, you know?

• 35:29Bill Simmons?

  Van Cott Craig, do you think he could do that?

• 35:31Chris Ryan?

  Parachuting.

• 35:32Bill Simmons?

  Parachuting down with the gun.

• 35:34Chris Ryan?

  I would take a lot of training, but maybe.

• 35:37Bill Simmons?

  If you're not taking it off the table. That, that, the answer to that was yes.

• 35:40Sean Fennessey?

  You think you could do that?

• 35:41Bill Simmons?

  I think with enough training.

• 35:42Chris Ryan?

  I've never gone skydiving, so I don't know. I don't know how to handle being up that high.

• 35:45Sean Fennessey?

  So you've never used the parachute before?

• 35:48Bill Simmons?

  Macy's like, here's the handle and then this is your safety handle.

• 35:52Chris Ryan?

  It was so quick. He's like, got it? Good.

• 35:55Bill Simmons?

  The red line for safety.

• 35:57Chris Ryan?

  We're jumping at the absolute red line of what the human body can tolerate in terms of altitude.

• 36:01Sean Fennessey?

  No gla, no helmet.

• 36:05Bill Simmons?

  So funny.

• 36:06Sean Fennessey?

  The funniest shot in the movie is the people happily flying.

• 36:10Chris Ryan?

  It's like, where are they landing? Like rural Germany? I have no idea.

• 36:13Bill Simmons?

  I wrote that.

• 36:14Sean Fennessey?

  The Caspian Sea?

• 36:16Bill Simmons?

  The fax machine lady looks like she's on the bikes in E.T. She's like, bike! It's just bizarre.

• 36:22Chris Ryan?

  I don't know that she was best served by the material in this film.

• 36:26Bill Simmons?

  So parachute guys, that's a fun little old school way, good way to start a movie.

• 36:31Sean Fennessey?

  Great opening.

• 36:31Bill Simmons?

  No preliminary stuff. Let's just go, let's just kill some people. Next one I have is Gibbs killing three guys and Oldman taking over the, the plane and we find out about the emergency pod.

• 36:44Bill Simmons?

  It's funny that it was called the emergency pod.

• 36:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:47Bill Simmons?

  Did this movie create the emergency pod?

• 36:49Sean Fennessey?

  I think we all know you did, Bill.

• 36:50Bill Simmons?

  I thought I created it, but I think this movie created it because it's an emergency pod.

• 36:54Chris Ryan?

  Incepted it. Yeah. So this would have been the Kyrie Irving memorial emergency pod.

• 36:59Sean Fennessey?

  I do remember that being a thing even in nineteen ninety-seven. They're like, there's no escape pod on Air Force One. Like people actively like live nitpicking the movie.

• 37:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 37:08Sean Fennessey?

  And Clinton, of course, confirmed that there wasn't.

• 37:10Chris Ryan?

  So.

• 37:11Bill Simmons?

  And we had one in Escape from New York.

• 37:12Chris Ryan?

  Which is what they want you to think.

• 37:14Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, well, why would they trick us into thinking that? To not hijack the plane?

• 37:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Gibbs takes over the armory that I guess they have on Air Force One. And I think I had forgotten the amount of machine gun fire in this movie a little bit.

• 37:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 37:28Chris Ryan?

  It's never really addressed as to like whether or not like the fuselage would get pierced and the entire plane would depressurize. If you had like a prolonged gun battle.

• 37:36Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's, it's, I guess, telling us that the inside of the plane is bulletproof.

• 37:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I think, I think that's right.

• 37:42Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 37:43Sean Fennessey?

  Which we, which is probably not true.

• 37:45Bill Simmons?

  Why would anybody make the inside of Air Force One bulletproof?

• 37:47Chris Ryan?

  I guess in case of this kind of situation, but in general.

• 37:50Bill Simmons?

  So the entire plane is bulletproof. It's a fucking big plane.

• 37:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:55Sean Fennessey?

  Seems hard to manage.

• 37:55Bill Simmons?

  It's a pretty big nitpick. The president gets away. People are just getting shot left and right. The plane is landing.

• 38:06Bill Simmons?

  And then they're basically like, you're gonna pull, he shoots the pilots. It's always, I always enjoy when the pilots get shot in these action films for some reason. It's really like, really aggressive.

• 38:16Sean Fennessey?

  The second pilot getting shot.

• 38:17Bill Simmons?

  Confidence.

• 38:18Sean Fennessey?

  He gets shot like right under his shoulder.

• 38:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's not letting his dead.

• 38:21Sean Fennessey?

  Tough, tough, tough place to get shot. Yeah.

• 38:25Sean Fennessey?

  He needs Tommy John or something.

• 38:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. But that, it's, it is aggressive when they do that. Cause you better have somebody coming in there. But they have the guy come in who's doing the.

• 38:36Bill Simmons?

  He's just making that face.

• 38:37Chris Ryan?

  He does a hero's death landing. He bounces twice. Yeah.

• 38:40Bill Simmons?

  But that's a fun scene. I always liked the, they open the pod and, and the prez isn't in there. And then they tell the, the control room, conference room. The control pod was empty. They're like, oh my God, that means he's on the plane. Good stuff. Prez kills his first guy.

• 38:59Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:01Bill Simmons?

  Good UFC fight talked about earlier. Oldman kills the national security advisor. I have a scene with the old Hart Bachner death.

• 39:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:09Bill Simmons?

  Let me talk to him.

• 39:12Bill Simmons?

  That's always good when it's a room full of people and the guy's like.

• 39:15Sean Fennessey?

  I love what that guy says too, where he's like, you're talking to the vice president. She's like the queen of England. That, that whole speech is really funny where he thinks he's appealing to them.

• 39:21Chris Ryan?

  Basically like a run here. Well, I'll talk about this later. Keep going with rewatchable scenes.

• 39:25Bill Simmons?

  Well, and it leads to Oldman talking to the twelve year old daughter.

• 39:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:29Bill Simmons?

  Good little back and forth. You're nothing like my father. The prez.

• 39:35Chris Ryan?

  My favorite part of that scene is when he's just like, tell her to answer me. And she's like, he doesn't answer. He's like, shut up!

• 39:44Sean Fennessey?

  I'm telling you, he is gold. Every time he opens his mouth in this movie.

• 39:49Bill Simmons?

  The Who one, the movie is gonna be really interesting for this. The prez, when he, when toy soldiers guy gets him and he's walking through the plane, but the cell phone's on. He's basically telling them to fuck with the plane.

• 39:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 40:00Bill Simmons?

  I enjoy that part. Melanie dies.

• 40:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, tough, off screen.

• 40:05Bill Simmons?

  This scene kills me, though. It's really funny because first of all, there's, I have seven nitpicks.

• 40:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 40:14Bill Simmons?

  It's your daughter, right?

• 40:16Sean Fennessey?

  Great, let's, let's talk about this.

• 40:17Bill Simmons?

  It's your kid.

• 40:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 40:20Bill Simmons?

  At no point does the mom cover her eyes, shield her, anything. The daughter's just like, it's like she's at the movies.

• 40:27Chris Ryan?

  It's like, this is a learning experience for you.

• 40:29Bill Simmons?

  I would just, I would have grabbed my kid.

• 40:31Sean Fennessey?

  She does do that when the NSA director is killed. She does kind of grab her and try to shield her, but not.

• 40:36Bill Simmons?

  I'm just doing that every time with my 12 year old. Um, we don't see the death. There's kind of no, but I feel like blood would be all over Gary Oldman.

• 40:45Sean Fennessey?

  What, why are wife and daughter on the, why are they in Moscow? Why did they go on this trip?

• 40:50Chris Ryan?

  Picking nit of mine. I'm like, why is a 12 year old daughter in Moscow for a dinner? I think we're supposed to imagine.

• 40:55Sean Fennessey?

  At a time of great social unrest?

• 40:57Chris Ryan?

  No, but I think we're supposed to imagine that like American Russian relations are at an all time high.

• 41:01Sean Fennessey?

  But Kazakhstan is not.

• 41:03Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 41:03Sean Fennessey?

  There's insurgent forces.

• 41:04Chris Ryan?

  But you bring your daughter to Moscow for a dinner? Look, Marshall's a, a risk taker, man. He's a gambler.

• 41:09Sean Fennessey?

  This is a different time, right? Like, this is part of the, part of the story of the movie and in the podcast, which is like post 2000, you could never make this movie. You could never shoot in Moscow. But still, like, bringing, I, would you have brought your 12 year old to Moscow on a?

• 41:23Bill Simmons?

  Absolutely absurd that she's on this trip.

• 41:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Bill Simmons?

  And it's debatable whether the wife should have been on it.

• 41:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 41:29Bill Simmons?

  So Melanie dies and they go wide shot near the end of the two guys just carrying her out.

• 41:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:35Bill Simmons?

  Which kills me for some reason. I think I must have laughed in the theater 12 times during this movie.

• 41:40Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sure you read this, though, but the, the, like, the, the woman that she's playing in the movie, that, that, that woman actually, like, guided them through the plane and gave them the tour.

• 41:48Chris Ryan?

  Press secretary.

• 41:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, so they had a really hard time shooting this scene because they were thinking of killing this woman who was very kind to them on Air Force One.

• 41:55Bill Simmons?

  The fueling parachute sequence when they're fueling the plane and then they realize they can get everybody out of the back.

• 42:00Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible.

• 42:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:01Bill Simmons?

  Amazing. I don't know how realistic it was.

• 42:04Chris Ryan?

  Uh.

• 42:05Sean Fennessey?

  There's a lot that is not realistic.

• 42:07Chris Ryan?

  There's not realistic about this film.

• 42:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. That is, that is my flex.

• 42:09Chris Ryan?

  Name one thing that's unrealistic. Uh. I mean, like, we could start with, I don't think that there are automatic weapons on Air Force One and nor have there ever been. So the idea that there would be like five N16s on the plane that aren't on a secret service agent. Um, and then I don't think people who've never had any skydiving experience could, could handle jumping out of a 747.

• 42:35Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot of reasons why this movie is rewatchable. This five minute sequence is one of the most ludicrous things in a movie that's actually good. None of them are scared. Nobody's like, I don't want to go. They're just like, oh yeah, all right. So I pull the one.

• 42:48Sean Fennessey?

  The whole movie is check your brain at the door. The minute you start trying to untangle everything in it, you won't have any fun. It's impossible.

• 42:55Bill Simmons?

  Also, they're, so they're jumping at 15,000 feet, which is pretty low, I think. And we never see them again.

• 43:02Chris Ryan?

  Uh-uh.

• 43:03Bill Simmons?

  I don't know where they landed. Where, are they, did they land in the water?

• 43:08Chris Ryan?

  Every time you ever watch, like, in a World War II movie, like, the guys are always, like, left and right, breaking their legs or backs, like, when they land. So like, all of these people on their first jump are like, oof, here I am in Berlin. Thank God.

• 43:19Sean Fennessey?

  I like to think that they all drowned at sea.

• 43:24Bill Simmons?

  And just when you don't think it's ludicrous enough, Ford gets, almost gets off the ramp, right? And he's holding on with one hand and they're going 500 miles an hour. And they're 15,000, like, doesn't he just get sucked out at that point?

• 43:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 43:39Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 43:39Bill Simmons?

  It's like, ah, Gibbs ends up helping him back in. I enjoy that whole part.

• 43:44Sean Fennessey?

  Gibbs might be the most inexplicable thing. I mean.

• 43:46Bill Simmons?

  Gibbs, let him go.

• 43:47Sean Fennessey?

  The, but Gibbs's decision to, like, the movie's decision to not tell us Gibbs's motivation, where it's like, was he born in Kazakhstan? Was his mom?

• 43:55Chris Ryan?

  He had a whole plot in like one version of the script, but they got rid of it, that he was like a CIA agent who had been turned during the Cold War and then became a secret service agent, but was basically like a sleeper for the, for the Russians.

• 44:07Sean Fennessey?

  I guess that does happen.

• 44:08Chris Ryan?

  I, I guess, yeah.

• 44:10Sean Fennessey?

  This is pretty elaborate for him to become the number one body man for the president of the United States of America.

• 44:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:15Bill Simmons?

  I love.

• 44:16Sean Fennessey?

  I would have enjoyed hearing about it.

• 44:17Bill Simmons?

  Well, we needed one, like, 30 second scene where he's talking Russian to one of the guys.

• 44:22Chris Ryan?

  Well, the thing they don't do is the scene, like, they needed, it would have been amazing if, if, if, like, Oldman had just been like, and you, Agent Gibbs, my good friend. And then, like, it was like, everybody in the room knew it, like.

• 44:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 44:36Chris Ryan?

  That would have been.

• 44:38Bill Simmons?

  Pres breaks free. Second to last scene. When, uh, when he has, when he's, I always enjoy that when they, they pick up like a little thing. Yeah. You know, they have it, you know, but like, so he gets out and ends up fighting with Oldman and then that leads to Oldman on the ramp and they get off my plane. This might be the most ludicrous scene of a ludicrous movie.

• 44:58Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 44:59Bill Simmons?

  He tackles Oldman, he tackles Oldman on the ramp?

• 45:04Bill Simmons?

  Where it's like, i- if they roll over, they're just both rolling off the plane.

• 45:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:08Bill Simmons?

  He's just like, football tackles them. They have a fight.

• 45:11Sean Fennessey?

  The sequence before that, though, where he's, right before he cuts himself loose, where he and, and, uh, where Ivan and, and the president are debating each other and it's intercut with Radek being released.

• 45:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:23Sean Fennessey?

  Is incredible. That's incredible action filmmaking, where you can hear the Russians singing in the background in the prison. And you'd like, Oldman having this moment of elation and Marshall is down, so depressed. But you don't realize that there's a plot going on. To me, I'm like, this is fucking 90s action movie magic.

• 45:40Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. When he makes the emergency call from the plane to have Radek, like, stopped, but eventually executed. Incredible stuff.

• 45:48Bill Simmons?

  People really loved their countries back then. This guy just fucking loved Russia.

• 45:53Sean Fennessey?

  Mother Russia, yeah.

• 45:54Bill Simmons?

  They're like, listen, here's the songs. They're like, oh, they're hugging like they won the Super Bowl. Last scene is the, uh, rescue mission, which is really maybe the most absurd part of the movie.

• 46:03Chris Ryan?

  With Air Force One.

• 46:03Bill Simmons?

  Macy gets it.

• 46:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:05Bill Simmons?

  They, they, they do the thing. I think Cliffhanger had this too, where they, they put the rope or whatever that is, that I guess is sturdy enough.

• 46:13Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:13Bill Simmons?

  Latch it in and then it's somehow fine and it can hold two planes and people can go back and forth.

• 46:18Chris Ryan?

  A lot of that, they did shoot practically, though, like the two planes.

• 46:24Sean Fennessey?

  Is that true?

• 46:24Bill Simmons?

  They claimed that they did.

• 46:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, I don't think they did guys going back and forth on that wire, but I think they shot something with two planes, three planes, because they have to be shooting. I believe the shot of Marshall hanging off, hanging off the plane by the, by the rope is, is real. There's a guy hanging off a plane doing that.

• 46:41Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's weird, the movie's weird because get off my plane happens at like one hour and 35 minutes.

• 46:48Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 46:48Sean Fennessey?

  And there's another 20 minutes of the movie and it's just not as good as that, that moment.

• 46:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 46:53Chris Ryan?

  There's a couple of, well, we could talk about, but there's a couple of, like, really funny, like, they set it up like it's going to be a major plot point, like Dean Stockwell and like his, like, I have the attorney general, we're gonna, we're gonna coup you. Seems like it's going to be a huge deal and then it just stops mattering.

• 47:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 47:09Chris Ryan?

  Like, like they, they, they've.

• 47:11Bill Simmons?

  It's like the 25 people in parachute, so we just never see again.

• 47:14Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 47:15Bill Simmons?

  Where they land. They're in Vietnam now, being saved by John Rambo.

• 47:20Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, Macy getting shot is great.

• 47:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 47:23Bill Simmons?

  I think the last shot of him, though, I think he should have the little Bill wig on.

• 47:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:28Bill Simmons?

  Just at the very end, they cut back to him one more time and he just says that, look, the, uh, the Liberty 2-4 is now Air Force One control room exploding.

• 47:38Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 47:39Bill Simmons?

  I'm always in on a control room exploding at all times. And then, uh, Glenn Close, just, she was like, just in case this gets nominated, I do need my scene. And does the tears running down, tearing the sheet where she's the only signature that wasn't signed.

• 47:54Chris Ryan?

  Be saving that sheet.

• 47:55Bill Simmons?

  Great stuff.

• 47:56Sean Fennessey?

  Keep the history.

• 47:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 47:58Bill Simmons?

  What's your most rewatchable scene?

• 47:59Sean Fennessey?

  I'll just add one more, which is the President Marshall speech to the, the Russian delegation, which I think is a, is a cool moment, because it like,

• 48:09Sean Fennessey?

  it sets up the, you know, the proper dramatic problem for Marshall, where he's like, immediately, at the beginning of the movie, he's like, we will not negotiate.

• 48:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 48:20Sean Fennessey?

  Under any circum, this is exactly what kind of president I am. And then within 12 hours, he is forced to negotiate, but not really. Um, and I love that scene. And then the following scene where he's kind of talking about how he like makes policy by taking an action in the backseat of that, uh, car. So I really like that scene a lot.

• 48:38Bill Simmons?

  Then Lewinsky blows him. Just kidding.

• 48:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 48:46Chris Ryan?

  He's just going right past it.

• 48:49Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I, I mean, I think the, the most exciting scene, I watched this twice.

• 48:54Chris Ryan?

  Honey, you don't have to come to Russia. Monica's coming.

• 48:57Bill Simmons?

  It may have turned with me.

• 48:59Sean Fennessey?

  What was voice for you just doing?

• 49:00Chris Ryan?

  That's what Marshall sounds like, where he's like, it's your turn to be afraid.

• 49:02Bill Simmons?

  He does. You're right. Your support has to do a lot of.

• 49:05Sean Fennessey?

  That's true. Can you do Bill Clinton doing President James Marshall? Do you have a Bill Clinton in your bag?

• 49:11Chris Ryan?

  I don't, actually.

• 49:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I should think about that.

• 49:13Chris Ryan?

  Love yelling.

• 49:14Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 49:16Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's probably this, the initial siege where Gibbs kills the secret service agents.

• 49:21Chris Ryan?

  It's the plane takeover.

• 49:22Sean Fennessey?

  And then the plane takeover, right?

• 49:24Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 49:24Bill Simmons?

  I 1,000% agree. Yeah. It's that whole, everything, the moment Gibbs starts shooting people, this, this movie's awesome for 15 minutes. You agree with that, Craig?

• 49:33Chris Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 49:34Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 49:35Sean Fennessey?

  I do want to like save space, though, for every time Oldman gives a little mini speech where he starts out talking normally and then gets really loud, like when he's like, you who murdered 100,000 Iraqis to save a nickel on a gallon of, of gas? Are you going to lecture me about the rules of war? Don't, don't!

• 49:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's incredible.

• 49:56Bill Simmons?

  You might remind him that I am holding his wife, his daughter, his chief of staff, his national security advisor, his classified papers and his baseball glove.

• 50:07Chris Ryan?

  Did he have his baseball glove? It never comes up again.

• 50:09Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 50:10Bill Simmons?

  He was having a catch in Moscow.

• 50:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Bill Simmons?

  Baseball was back that year.

• 50:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's true.

• 50:14Bill Simmons?

  Cal Ripken.

• 50:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:15Sean Fennessey?

  Not the last time we talk about sports either.

• 50:17Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 1997 thing about this movie? Ebert wrote in his review, can you really call Washington from Russia on a cell phone while airborne? That was pretty 1997. But the answer is the fax machine playing a massive role. If, this was really the peak of fax machines.

• 50:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:34Bill Simmons?

  Late 90s. You have fax machine, Craig?

• 50:37Chris Ryan?

  Do I have a fax machine?

• 50:38Bill Simmons?

  Have you ever had one?

• 50:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, my parents did growing up. Yeah. You should start saying faxes. You gotta get eccentric.

• 50:45Bill Simmons?

  Fax getting, coming back?

• 50:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:47Bill Simmons?

  Like, bring it back?

• 50:47Chris Ryan?

  You guys didn't answer my fax.

• 50:51Chris Ryan?

  I said, I want you to come over.

• 50:53Bill Simmons?

  I remember my stepdad had one in, where I used to watch TV when, like, when I was in high school. And just that thing would start cranking, but.

• 51:03Bill Simmons?

  And just like it would for like two minutes, just producing this one piece of paper. It was so annoying. And now we just have the internet and Dropbox.

• 51:11Chris Ryan?

  I guess the only competitor this has in fax fax machine Olympics would be the the firm, right?

• 51:17Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 51:18Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:18Sean Fennessey?

  That's a good one.

• 51:19Bill Simmons?

  Any other nineteen ninety seven stuff?

• 51:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean Elvis Greback quarterbacking the Michigan Wolverines.

• 51:25Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Elvis Garback?

• 51:26Chris Ryan?

  Garback, yeah. And, uh, uh, just Marshall having to read the instruction manual for the phone is very funny.

• 51:33Sean Fennessey?

  This is an amazing moment in Michigan Wolverines history. This is the, this is the year of the twelve and oh season with Charles Woodson, where he wins the Heisman. This, it happens right after this movie comes out. So it's kind of beautifully timed.

• 51:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. So America just being pals with Russia.

• 51:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I, I wrote shoot, just shooting a film in Russia because Putin takes over in ninety nine and then it's over.

• 51:53Bill Simmons?

  And Charles, you won the Heisman and nobody could take that away from you unless you kill your wife at a waiter.

• 52:02Chris Ryan?

  Where are you supposed to be when you say that?

• 52:04Bill Simmons?

  Greatest Espies moment of all time.

• 52:07Chris Ryan?

  Wait, who said that?

• 52:08Sean Fennessey?

  Norm MacDonald.

• 52:08Bill Simmons?

  Norm MacDonald, the Espies.

• 52:10Chris Ryan?

  I thought you were gonna be like Jim Nance.

• 52:12Bill Simmons?

  No, he called out Charles Woodson in the crowd. He's like, Charles.

• 52:15Sean Fennessey?

  It's one of the greatest cutaways to somebody in the audience ever, the look on his face.

• 52:21Bill Simmons?

  Floyd Gondal, butter on my ass, lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoyed. Bonus points because Floyd's in this movie. I have, this is one of my favorites. It doesn't happen often. It's really action movies only. The stealth bad guy who everybody else doesn't know is a bad guy, but is mingling in the crowd.

• 52:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Bill Simmons?

  As a good guy, but he's really a bad guy. And then we'll have a couple where somebody walks away, hey, Bob, what's going on? And they walk away and he's like, evil music. And they do that like three times, but I really enjoy Gibbs being a, being a sleeper bad guy.

• 52:53Chris Ryan?

  Sleep on the job?

• 52:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. What do you have, Sean?

• 52:56Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I really hate exposition in movies, except when it's incredibly exciting and inspiring. So like when J B Preston comes over and he's like, let's not bury him yet. He could still be alive on that plane. Let's not forget this president is a Medal of Honor winner. In Vietnam, he flew more helicopter rescue missions than any man in my command. He knows how to fight. What, why is he saying all those things out loud to the people in the room? They all know that, but we don't know that.

• 53:23Bill Simmons?

  If that's C R, it's just like, dude won Medal of Honor, man. He can handle himself.

• 53:28Chris Ryan?

  My Marshall, he knows how to fucking fly a stick. Come on.

• 53:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that is a good one. What do you have, C R?

• 53:33Chris Ryan?

  Uh, just, uh, uh, Marshall, like military film scores from the nineties, like the snare, whether it's Fugit Men, this. Uh, I feel like Crimson Tide has this where it's just like,

• 53:47Chris Ryan?

  and the way it starts out, you're just like, I'll, I'll watch the next two hours of this.

• 53:51Bill Simmons?

  What stage is the best?

• 53:54Bill Simmons?

  I love how this movie just ends.

• 53:57Bill Simmons?

  They don't, we don't even have the, you know, montage of CNN the next day or anything. It's like, they're just like, you made it to the plane, guys. All right, everybody, see you later. Thank you. It just ends. It's done. And when did you say, what was that movie that ended in less than thirty seconds you were all excited about?

• 54:13Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:14Bill Simmons?

  This is like a zero seconds.

• 54:16Chris Ryan?

  It was some action movie that you were just like, that's awesome.

• 54:19Sean Fennessey?

  Do that. Yeah. Like the credits just ran like the second the bad guy dies, he like kisses the girl credits.

• 54:23Chris Ryan?

  The only thing that's better is if it's a movie where almost all the characters have died. And then they have like a, basically a montage of them having fun. It's like Predator.

• 54:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:33Chris Ryan?

  You can see at the Predator, guys' chests have been exploded. And then it's just like Jesse the Body Ventura. He's like,

• 54:42Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, weird thing about this is, so they save time at the end. But in the beginning, I guess this could have been for our nineteen ninety seven thing. They just run the three minutes of opening credits.

• 54:52Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 54:52Bill Simmons?

  Which now is really noticeable.

• 54:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:54Bill Simmons?

  When you watch these old movies. No movie does this now.

• 54:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 54:57Bill Simmons?

  Movies just go.

• 54:58Sean Fennessey?

  They, they start to put in a couple of sequences on the last three or four credits where you start getting situated in the world, but there is a full ninety seconds where it's just names.

• 55:08Bill Simmons?

  Very strange. Another Woods age is the best for me, William H. Macy and Philip Baker Hall together in a nineteen ninety seven movie.

• 55:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:15Sean Fennessey?

  We were just missing Ricky J.

• 55:17Bill Simmons?

  And Robert Ridgely.

• 55:20Bill Simmons?

  And then I have having an American president you actually believe in. That's age the best. Nineteen nineties Cold War movies, even though the Cold War was over.

• 55:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:29Bill Simmons?

  We were just, everybody loved the Cold War so much. We're like, I just can't let go, man. Let's keep it going.

• 55:33Chris Ryan?

  I don't even know, are there more movies than there are actual examples of Russian separatists? You know, cause like there were so many, like a Russian separatist general has gotten control of a nuclear arsenal. So we're going back in. And it's like, I don't even remember if there were that many, like,

• 55:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, this was a plot for twelve solid years.

• 55:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. In the two thousands, we get into like a really weird time where it just starts to get a lot more racist and like the Russians, it's, let's say it's reliable. There's going to be no controversy of being like, these Russians are bad. They're rebel Russians or rebel Kazakstans.

• 56:05Bill Simmons?

  Post Al Qaeda, we really went into a pretty dark area with this.

• 56:10Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 56:10Bill Simmons?

  The Russians were super reliable for twenty years here.

• 56:13Chris Ryan?

  This, it's the,

• 56:14Bill Simmons?

  And nobody understands what's happening in Russia in the nineties. So it's like,

• 56:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:18Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. It's, but it's still sort of, this guy still lives Russia, but Russia doesn't exist anymore. Sure.

• 56:23Chris Ryan?

  We had the Nazis for a really long time. The Germans had the belt. Then there's like a long Russian run, briefly interrupted.

• 56:30Bill Simmons?

  The Japanese are in there for a little bit in the fifties.

• 56:33Sean Fennessey?

  Are you saying, are you saying, when you said, so villain, not actual like nations that are threatening our freedom?

• 56:38Chris Ryan?

  No, I just mean like reliable, actually villains.

• 56:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 56:41Chris Ryan?

  Got, we had Germany, Russia, briefly Columbia.

• 56:45Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 56:46Chris Ryan?

  Then we kind of swing back around Russian separatists and then it gets super racist.

• 56:51Sean Fennessey?

  Can you just do that now, but for like the real threats to America?

• 56:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, do go forward. What do you have?

• 56:57Sean Fennessey?

  Where's North Korea?

• 56:59Chris Ryan?

  Those guys, they're, they're probably feeling a little bit sheepish right now.

• 57:02Sean Fennessey?

  North Korea?

• 57:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think Kim Jong Un's probably like Talafrico. All right. I gotta, I gotta get in on this.

• 57:07Bill Simmons?

  He said a hundred dollars.

• 57:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, leave with love. This is awesome.

• 57:11Bill Simmons?

  I've said many times the, the, I think we talked about this during the Raiders rewatchables. The Nazis are still the, the apex for villains.

• 57:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:21Sean Fennessey?

  They are.

• 57:21Bill Simmons?

  We're just never gonna top them in our lifetime. You just see them, the outfits.

• 57:26Sean Fennessey?

  Quite a dare.

• 57:27Bill Simmons?

  Well, for movie villains, you just know right away. It's the, it's the best premise. It worked for fifty years. And even like when we got into the seventies and eighties, we were still able to milk it.

• 57:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you know, Patrick Stewart just died and he's in that movie Green Room. And that's like the greatest reveal in Green Room when you realize like, holy shit, this is a neo Nazi bar. Oh, my God.

• 57:46Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 57:47Sean Fennessey?

  It's still like, it's still so effective.

• 57:50Bill Simmons?

  Couple more would say it's the best. John Stockwell negotiating with terrorists again.

• 57:53Chris Ryan?

  Dean Stockwell.

• 57:54Bill Simmons?

  I'm sorry, Dean Stockwell. John Stockwell was in Christine.

• 57:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:59Bill Simmons?

  Dean Stockwell.

• 58:00Sean Fennessey?

  John Stockton was assisting Karl Malone in scoring baskets. Yeah.

• 58:03Bill Simmons?

  Dean Stockwell in Legend of Billie Jean had to negotiate with Keith Gordon, who was pretending to be a terrorist. And then, uh, the Russian prison where Radek was incarcerated was the same as Shawshank.

• 58:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 58:16Bill Simmons?

  The Ohio State Reform, that's where that guy, the guy with the sideburns got shot.

• 58:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:21Bill Simmons?

  He's like, when the warden's like, you would really tell, tell them about this roommate you had? He's, I would, I just want, give me the chance. And then,

• 58:29Chris Ryan?

  All the Russia stuff was, was Ohio, right? Like everything, yeah. That's great.

• 58:35Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for what's age the best, anything?

• 58:37Sean Fennessey?

  Um, the cultural relevance of Kazakhstan, a pre Borat, obviously, you know, that feel like they were really in early on that one.

• 58:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and you mentioned this already, but the idea of Ford, like over time elevating himself to get up to being ready to play the president. And the last thing in Clear and Present Danger, he's the deputy director of intelligence. And so his next step.

• 58:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:57Sean Fennessey?

  Is being the president.

• 58:58Chris Ryan?

  What's the, um, the Affleck one that would,

• 59:01Sean Fennessey?

  Some of All Fears.

• 59:02Chris Ryan?

  Fears. So I think he becomes, Jack Ryan becomes president after that.

• 59:07Sean Fennessey?

  I, I don't know.

• 59:08Chris Ryan?

  In the wake of the nuclear explosion that happens in Baltimore.

• 59:11Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, right. I haven't revisited the Some of All Fears since I first saw it. Yeah. Not great.

• 59:16Bill Simmons?

  Not one of my favorites. Anyone said it's the best for you?

• 59:18Chris Ryan?

  Um, the national security advisor going in for the fatal heat check is always really resonating.

• 59:23Bill Simmons?

  The heartbreaker move.

• 59:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, love that. All the recycled bits from nineties, uh, the nineties action movies, especially how the cabinet or not the cabinet, but the, all the hostages for one second turn on Marshall like, he let her die. But then you need the one guy who's like, no, man, if he had let himself get captured, we'd be out of options.

• 59:43Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 59:44Chris Ryan?

  Um, changing call signs is iconic. I wish, I wish I could do that, you know, like a podcast studio. Just feel like this is, this is now Bill's podcast studio. Uh, and just dude sacrificing themselves for the president.

• 59:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Chris Ryan?

  Always entertaining.

• 1:00:01Sean Fennessey?

  Guild foil, really. He, he put his body on the line.

• 1:00:04Bill Simmons?

  Craig, who are you in the room for, with, during the diehard hostage thing when there's thirty people in the room? Are you a leader? Are you just?

• 1:00:11Chris Ryan?

  I, I'm in the small group scheming to come up with a way to get out of this. Yeah, unfortunately I have Ellis written all over me. I'm like, I can talk this guy out of this.

• 1:00:21Bill Simmons?

  I'm C R.

• 1:00:23Chris Ryan?

  I feel like I'm I.

• 1:00:27Bill Simmons?

  Ivan, I saw Rocky IV like five times. Drago.

• 1:00:30Sean Fennessey?

  I know, I know they tick.

• 1:00:33Bill Simmons?

  Uh, great check order. Is it the press dangling from Air Force One or something else?

• 1:00:39Chris Ryan?

  I think Xander Berkeley's face is they, the water is, it's the water.

• 1:00:43Sean Fennessey?

  It's really funny. I love when Ford's head pops out of below deck and he looks around. That's an, that's a really awesome.

• 1:00:49Bill Simmons?

  That's one where the trailer kind of ruined this movie because the pod escapes, but you know, he's still.

• 1:00:55Sean Fennessey?

  He's still on the plane.

• 1:00:56Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rock World Broccoli Landers Award for Best Character Name. President James Marshall is great.

• 1:01:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, we've already, we've texted out Ivan as a good Russian name. You want Vlad?

• 1:01:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Sean Fennessey?

  I like General Radek too. That's pretty good.

• 1:01:07Bill Simmons?

  Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness or Best Needle Drop, the Russian song when Radek's being freed. It's really the only needle drop.

• 1:01:13Sean Fennessey?

  Can we talk about this for a second though?

• 1:01:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Play the Nikolai Volkov National Anthem.

• 1:01:16Sean Fennessey?

  One of my favorite songs. Uh, no, I mean, the Goldsmith Score, which as you mentioned, like what came in last minute, he did in twelve days. Has now been used by both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

• 1:01:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah. Trump did it when he won.

• 1:01:29Sean Fennessey?

  When he won, the second time. And that's interesting.

• 1:01:33Chris Ryan?

  Sorry, you mean the third time.

• 1:01:40Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. That's right, Chris. You should say it again. Um, that's interesting that both of them would think to use this. Like, that's how presidential that score is.

• 1:01:49Chris Ryan?

  You feel comfortable now to make those jokes, don't you? I'm playing with a lead.

• 1:01:54Sean Fennessey?

  Woke 3.0 just hit.

• 1:01:55Chris Ryan?

  It's second one, you're taking shots.

• 1:01:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Sierra's play action.

• 1:02:00Chris Ryan?

  Fucking pure Yaxle, like, just like, oh, fuck.

• 1:02:03Sean Fennessey?

  Careful. Real 20 into three vibes. Take it easy here.

• 1:02:06Chris Ryan?

  Fuck Luca.

• 1:02:11Bill Simmons?

  Was there a better title for this movie? I'm gonna say no. Air Force One's a really good title.

• 1:02:15Sean Fennessey?

  I have a couple.

• 1:02:17Bill Simmons?

  What do you got?

• 1:02:18Sean Fennessey?

  Flight Risk.

• 1:02:19Chris Ryan?

  That's definitely a movie, right?

• 1:02:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was a movie.

• 1:02:22Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that was the Mark Wahlberg movie.

• 1:02:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Sean Fennessey?

  Remember that movie?

• 1:02:27Chris Ryan?

  Where he is inexplicably just like.

• 1:02:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, how about this one? Fight or Flight?

• 1:02:34Bill Simmons?

  Like Air Force One.

• 1:02:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, Air Force One.

• 1:02:36Chris Ryan?

  Get off my plane, but that would, that would be kind of.

• 1:02:38Sean Fennessey?

  Give it a game away, yeah.

• 1:02:40Bill Simmons?

  Poor Wahlberg, man. This has been an absolute tailspin. This is eight years of bad movies for him now. Wahlberg.

• 1:02:48Chris Ryan?

  Do you think he just doesn't want to make a good movie because this is like an easier life for him to just bang out Netflix joints and go beyond Amazon Prime movies?

• 1:02:55Bill Simmons?

  What was, where did Flight Risk even come out of?

• 1:02:57Chris Ryan?

  It was in the theaters because I saw it.

• 1:02:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Chris Ryan?

  It was Mel Gibson directed that movie.

• 1:03:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Mel Gibson directed it where he plays like an Italian hitman.

• 1:03:05Chris Ryan?

  With Michelle Dockerty.

• 1:03:06Sean Fennessey?

  Who was pretending to be, yeah.

• 1:03:07Chris Ryan?

  In the Alaskan Outback, I think.

• 1:03:09Bill Simmons?

  I mean, honestly.

• 1:03:10Sean Fennessey?

  And who's the prisoner? And he's there to kill a prisoner.

• 1:03:12Chris Ryan?

  It's not Ripley, is it?

• 1:03:13Sean Fennessey?

  Scoot McNary?

• 1:03:14Chris Ryan?

  Is it Ripley?

• 1:03:15Sean Fennessey?

  I don't remember.

• 1:03:17Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, if I'm not watching that movie, you've really failed.

• 1:03:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, we both saw it in theaters.

• 1:03:21Bill Simmons?

  I'm the audience for that movie and I was like, I'm good.

• 1:03:24Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I watched We Own the Night, uh, two days ago and that was the movie he made right after The Departed. Like, it used to be so amazing to be a Mark Wahlberg fan. Like, he really, he had amazing taste for a minute there.

• 1:03:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Sean Fennessey?

  And it's gotten, it's gotten away from him.

• 1:03:39Bill Simmons?

  You, you know what it was? He was getting up at four in the morning to lift.

• 1:03:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Bill Simmons?

  And I think that makes you crazy after about a year.

• 1:03:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:46Sean Fennessey?

  And play 18 holes of golf.

• 1:03:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Chris Ryan?

  Speed, speed rounds.

• 1:03:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Bill Simmons?

  Speaking of golf, you have a flex category, CR.

• 1:03:52Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I got two. Um, I just need to talk about Oldman as a smoker is one of the greatest we've ever produced. So the Sean Penn, I brought my own pack award. The first time he lights a dart on this, first of all, I would love to smoke on Air Force One. What a flex.

• 1:04:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Chris Ryan?

  But he's so deeply inhaling, like, you know, he brought his own Parliaments to the set that day. Um, I bet he even method acted and was like, I'll smoke Russian cigarettes that are just pure tar. There's no tobacco in this. Um, but this is one of the great Rick Chichetti movies. One of the great garden.

• 1:04:25Bill Simmons?

  I had this for later in case nobody did this. Let's really dive into this.

• 1:04:28Chris Ryan?

  I'll say my number one seed is the Secret Service agents who give up their life so that the president cannot take the escape pod. Because I probably would have had a note about that. First of all, like, the president definitely could have told them, like, what we should do is launch the escape pod, but then do a counter offensive. And instead, he just lets these guys get absolutely carved up and then he's not in.

• 1:04:51Bill Simmons?

  I don't even have them in the top three.

• 1:04:52Chris Ryan?

  Go for it.

• 1:04:53Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:04:54Bill Simmons?

  There's an American make that just jumps in front of a missile that's about to hit Air Force One? That's an all-timer.

• 1:05:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:05:01Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, the airplane fuel guys, these guys are just trying to help out.

• 1:05:06Chris Ryan?

  They're just like, it's peacetime. I fly a refueling plane over Germany. It's no problem.

• 1:05:10Bill Simmons?

  They're still finding pieces of them in fucking different countries.

• 1:05:13Chris Ryan?

  How about the people who live in Eastern Europe where a giant gas tanker falls from the sky and takes out a neighborhood?

• 1:05:20Bill Simmons?

  Or somebody, whoever got taken out by a parachute.

• 1:05:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Bill Simmons?

  By that lady who's like, ah, parachuting and then took out some motorcycle.

• 1:05:27Chris Ryan?

  Six fighter jets fell from the sky as well, took out a neighborhood.

• 1:05:30Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, that is the, that's my flex is like, it's the okay motherfucker award for when the movie goes up a level when the fucking gasoline plane explodes in midair.

• 1:05:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they're just like, bank away from that.

• 1:05:42Bill Simmons?

  So how do you think they did that in 1997?

• 1:05:45Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. It's fucking crazy.

• 1:05:46Chris Ryan?

  I mean, the.

• 1:05:47Bill Simmons?

  It's like a real explosion. Yeah, I don't know how they did that.

• 1:05:50Sean Fennessey?

  I also don't understand like what's caused the spark when it's, the hose is kicking off the windshield.

• 1:05:56Chris Ryan?

  There has to be a spark.

• 1:05:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Chris Ryan?

  Can't waste a gas.

• 1:05:58Bill Simmons?

  I'm glad you brought it up. I thought this movie had the most Rick Sicchetti deaths of any movie we've done.

• 1:06:04Chris Ryan?

  The nuclear football, they're like, ah, it's all right. We just remixed the, the numbers.

• 1:06:08Sean Fennessey?

  Is that something we can do?

• 1:06:09Chris Ryan?

  I hope so.

• 1:06:10Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:06:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Sean Fennessey?

  They pivoted that pretty quick and then another guy walks into the conference room and he's like, I've got it. It's eight, five, nine, zero.

• 1:06:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Bill Simmons?

  Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film, other than the terrorists somehow getting on this plane in the first place. The Air Force One crashing into the water. It's just, we're just between eras with special effects.

• 1:06:31Chris Ryan?

  They should have let Peter Jackson do this.

• 1:06:32Bill Simmons?

  CGI is kind of right there, but maybe Wolf Pete just wasn't a, was, didn't understand it yet or something.

• 1:06:40Sean Fennessey?

  About time and money. They just didn't spend that much. Jurassic Park came out four years before this movie.

• 1:06:45Chris Ryan?

  He's a little.

• 1:06:45Sean Fennessey?

  It can be done. It just wasn't done well.

• 1:06:47Chris Ryan?

  He's early. Like, is Troy after Fellowship of the Ring?

• 1:06:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, right around the same time, 2002.

• 1:06:52Chris Ryan?

  Cause like his battle scenes in Troy are ones where you're like, oh, I can see like where we're going with this and like you've, you've duplicated thousands of soldiers running in. But then you see the Lord of the Rings movies and you're like, oh, this is much better.

• 1:07:06Bill Simmons?

  That Shaddai Gibbs is pretty funny though in the plane. He's like, oh, fuck. And then all of a sudden, it's like a model of a plane.

• 1:07:13Chris Ryan?

  For, did he do it for like, I'm actually loyal to Russia or did he just have gambling debts? Like, is he just like, oh.

• 1:07:19Bill Simmons?

  It's like John Day Porter.

• 1:07:20Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible question.

• 1:07:24Bill Simmons?

  He got smoked on the NFC title game in 96.

• 1:07:27Chris Ryan?

  He was like, I bet the Bills again.

• 1:07:28Bill Simmons?

  Give me the Panthers fucking one assholes.

• 1:07:33Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, what stage the worst?

• 1:07:37Sean Fennessey?

  Same thing. CGI is so bad.

• 1:07:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think four years later, I must wonder if Wolf Pete wanted to go back and just kind of redo a couple.

• 1:07:45Sean Fennessey?

  Touch it up?

• 1:07:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:46Sean Fennessey?

  George Lucas it?

• 1:07:47Bill Simmons?

  A little Michael Mann.

• 1:07:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Air Force One calling the final cut?

• 1:07:51Chris Ryan?

  The Fincher cut.

• 1:07:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, diversity in James Marshall's cabinet left a little to be desired.

• 1:07:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:59Bill Simmons?

  It's like 30 white dudes and Glenn Close.

• 1:08:01Sean Fennessey?

  We had one black general.

• 1:08:03Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:08:03Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:08:04Sean Fennessey?

  One black.

• 1:08:04Bill Simmons?

  The few good men?

• 1:08:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Bill Simmons?

  Judge.

• 1:08:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:08:08Bill Simmons?

  You're in my courtroom. What does he say to him?

• 1:08:10Chris Ryan?

  Colonel Jessup.

• 1:08:11Bill Simmons?

  Me as your honor or general. I believe I've earned it.

• 1:08:15Sean Fennessey?

  Or judge.

• 1:08:16Bill Simmons?

  I love that guy. There's no Cold War at all in 1997. So this movie's either 12 years too early or 12 years too late. But it's definitely not a movie that should look about 1997.

• 1:08:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Bill Simmons?

  Eighty-five, you got me. Two thousand seven, I'm intrigued.

• 1:08:31Chris Ryan?

  It's also relying heavily on probably the majority, if not 100% of Americans, lack of familiarity with Kazakhstan that were like, seems plausible.

• 1:08:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Chris Ryan?

  Don't know anything about those guys.

• 1:08:42Bill Simmons?

  I have some what's age the worst notes on the 12-year-old girl. I think they, I think she either should have been eight or 16.

• 1:08:50Chris Ryan?

  I, I, I just, she actually doesn't add anything to the movie.

• 1:08:52Bill Simmons?

  She really doesn't.

• 1:08:53Chris Ryan?

  Seems like, uh, it sounds like when they were making it, they were like, she was great. She was, she was awesome to be around, but like, she actually never come, becomes like a dramatic.

• 1:09:01Sean Fennessey?

  I love when you guys just take apart a 12-year-old girl on this podcast. Some of the best stuff.

• 1:09:05Bill Simmons?

  Well, I've had a 12-year-old daughter. They're not nearly that affectionate.

• 1:09:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Bill Simmons?

  This kid would have been pissed off, like, I can't believe you made me go to Moscow.

• 1:09:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Bill Simmons?

  Um, she definitely would have been that excited to see her dad. At one point she says, I wrote down, in the caveman days, I'd be having kids of my, of my own. She's fucking weird.

• 1:09:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Bill Simmons?

  I think she should have been 16.

• 1:09:25Sean Fennessey?

  The actress is a member of the Pritzker family.

• 1:09:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:28Chris Ryan?

  Is she?

• 1:09:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she, she was like the granddaughter of the.

• 1:09:32Chris Ryan?

  She's like JB's age now?

• 1:09:34Sean Fennessey?

  I think she's JB's cousin?

• 1:09:37Chris Ryan?

  Damn. Well, so like, there's a line with her when, when Marshall's trying to fly the plane and things are looking pretty dire, she comes up and goes, dad, it's gonna be okay. I'd be like, not fucking now, Sally.

• 1:09:50Chris Ryan?

  Jesus Christ, we're going down.

• 1:09:52Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I like when she stands up to Oldman. You're nothing like my father. My father's a great man.

• 1:09:59Bill Simmons?

  It's not bad. I didn't, I thought she should have been older.

• 1:10:01Sean Fennessey?

  This is what, when I'm the president, that's what my daughter will say when I'm taken hostage by a terrorist.

• 1:10:05Chris Ryan?

  I have like a very good Z1 Neo for her though.

• 1:10:08Bill Simmons?

  Okay. Do you want to do it now?

• 1:10:09Chris Ryan?

  Oldman red pills her and she gets home and she's just like, I love Marxism. Like, I gotta get into this. That guy had so much patriotism. I lack that. I feel like I need that in my life.

• 1:10:20Bill Simmons?

  She rents Reds from Blockbuster.

• 1:10:22Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:10:24Bill Simmons?

  Ruffalo Hannah Rubenek Partridge overacting award. Gary Oldman doesn't qualify because he's actually acting. The first lady, there's that one scene where she's like, no, you listen to me. And it becomes an SNL sketch.

• 1:10:37Sean Fennessey?

  Cruisin'. Yeah.

• 1:10:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:38Chris Ryan?

  Santa Claus mom.

• 1:10:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Bill Simmons?

  I think Santa Claus was probably a better.

• 1:10:42Chris Ryan?

  We should, we could, we, I, I, I admire her and her work.

• 1:10:45Sean Fennessey?

  You admire her?

• 1:10:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, as, as an actress, but I think we could have spent a little bit more.

• 1:10:50Bill Simmons?

  I would have, yeah, I would have.

• 1:10:51Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, interesting.

• 1:10:54Bill Simmons?

  Probably would have spent for one more bench player.

• 1:10:55Chris Ryan?

  Like Triple Horn's right there.

• 1:10:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. A lot of people are right there. Honestly, Demi Moore was right there.

• 1:11:02Chris Ryan?

  Why are you acting like you've never been on this podcast before?

• 1:11:06Sean Fennessey?

  Hey, just a lot of notes for, for James Marshall's family, you know, that his, his, his family members.

• 1:11:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:12Sean Fennessey?

  Some struggles.

• 1:11:13Bill Simmons?

  If you're gonna have Glenn Close as the vice president, you can't then have the mom from The Good Son as the first lady. You've got a, I, I'm now all in. You've created, you're creating a super team.

• 1:11:22Sean Fennessey?

  I learned an interesting data point about Wendy Cruisin' and I was, uh, reading up on this film, which is that she was married to the great Michael Murphy for a very long time, but then they broke up and she came out as a lesbian.

• 1:11:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's something that I read.

• 1:11:34Chris Ryan?

  How many websites do you have to go to?

• 1:11:36Sean Fennessey?

  It was on Wikipedia.

• 1:11:37Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:11:37Sean Fennessey?

  I was reading Wikipedia and I was like, wow.

• 1:11:39Chris Ryan?

  Cause I read that Wikipedia page and I didn't see that.

• 1:11:42Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting news about Wendy Cruisin'.

• 1:11:44Chris Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:11:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46Bill Simmons?

  I do love those Wikipedia revelations.

• 1:11:49Sean Fennessey?

  I was like, all right.

• 1:11:50Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:11:52Bill Simmons?

  The CR, they, oh, you have a flex, but you already did.

• 1:11:54Sean Fennessey?

  I did, yeah, just, they're refueling the plane is an incredible moment.

• 1:11:58Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How to take a word is coming up right after this.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

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• 1:12:19Chris Ryan?

  Priceline Negotiator.

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

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• 1:12:22Chris Ryan?

  Priceline Negotiator.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  We don't need the jingle twice.

• 1:12:26Chris Ryan?

  What about a third time?

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  Stop it. This is about vacation inflation and how Priceline negotiates amazing deals on hotels, flights and rental cars.

• 1:12:34Chris Ryan?

  Seems like they decided.

• 1:12:36Speaker 04

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• 1:12:38Speaker 05

  And save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app. Fine. No one deals more deals than. Please stop. Touche.

• 1:12:49Speaker 05

  Priceline.

• 1:12:50Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? I'll start. So. In real life, they claim that they don't have these escape pods on Air Force One. Clinton was like, Clinton saw the movie twice, which I thought was hilarious. I loved it. I thought it was wonderful.

• 1:13:08Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, you have a. Yeah.

• 1:13:10Bill Simmons?

  It's a great movie.

• 1:13:12Chris Ryan?

  It's your turn to be afraid.

• 1:13:13Bill Simmons?

  Would have liked a little more with the first lady.

• 1:13:17Sean Fennessey?

  Who would Bill Clinton have cast as the first lady in that movie? That definitely would have been Demi Moore. Yeah, it would have been Sharon Stone.

• 1:13:24Bill Simmons?

  I think they're lying about this, and I think there actually is an escape pod. Well, my hottest take is there is a, there is an escape pod. They know it, but they don't want us to know it. And I think there are guns on the plane.

• 1:13:38Chris Ryan?

  Right? The one.

• 1:13:40Bill Simmons?

  I think that.

• 1:13:40Chris Ryan?

  The Trump bought. Or got given to him.

• 1:13:43Bill Simmons?

  And it makes sense that there should be one, right? Like, what if the plane's going down? Like, the whole point is to save the president. There's no way for. They definitely have one. I don't think movies made this up.

• 1:13:54Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe.

• 1:13:55Chris Ryan?

  So you feel like they had to come out and do like a bunch of public narrative maintenance? No, we don't have these, so don't, don't.

• 1:14:01Bill Simmons?

  Hundred percent. You agree?

• 1:14:03Sean Fennessey?

  You think they came up with it? Because the question is, did they make it after this movie came out? Or have they always had it?

• 1:14:08Bill Simmons?

  I think they've always had it. Escape from New York had it first.

• 1:14:11Sean Fennessey?

  Right. I was gonna say 15 years before this.

• 1:14:13Bill Simmons?

  They know about the escape pod. But I don't think they want us to know they have it. It's my hottest take. Conspiracy Bill doesn't believe this.

• 1:14:21Sean Fennessey?

  I would believe it if there was one for sure.

• 1:14:23Chris Ryan?

  This is a good take, though.

• 1:14:24Bill Simmons?

  Thanks.

• 1:14:24Sean Fennessey?

  It should be like not an escape pod. It should be like a little mini jet that he can fly out. You know, like the Jetsons or something.

• 1:14:31Chris Ryan?

  Water ski.

• 1:14:33Chris Ryan?

  Mine was the Gary Oldman is Al Pacino.

• 1:14:35Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. You have been shot?

• 1:14:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, a couple that are kind of just like observations. I'm not sure if they're fully takes. And then one take. Harrison Ford made this movie 30 years ago where he plays the president and he's still only four years older than Donald Trump is right now. Which is insane.

• 1:14:52Sean Fennessey?

  This movie might have been even better if Glenn Close and Harrison Ford switched roles.

• 1:14:59Bill Simmons?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:15:00Sean Fennessey?

  And then it was a female president beating the shit out of Gary Oldman.

• 1:15:04Chris Ryan?

  And then it's even more dramatic to have the guy being like, oh, this is my chance to take power from this woman.

• 1:15:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:15:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Sean Fennessey?

  That would have been more complicated.

• 1:15:11Bill Simmons?

  That's a really interesting idea. I don't think it can be Glenn Close, though. I'm not buying her like fighting.

• 1:15:18Chris Ryan?

  Won a general election.

• 1:15:19Bill Simmons?

  No, but I think, I'm trying to think of somebody.

• 1:15:23Bill Simmons?

  An actress.

• 1:15:23Sean Fennessey?

  Brigitte Nielsen.

• 1:15:25Bill Simmons?

  No, but a good actress who could be physical like that.

• 1:15:28Chris Ryan?

  Angela Bassett.

• 1:15:29Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, now that that would be the movie now.

• 1:15:32Bill Simmons?

  She's not tall, though. I need, I need like 5'9".

• 1:15:36Chris Ryan?

  Come on, Chris.

• 1:15:37Sean Fennessey?

  A 5'9" woman who can handle herself.

• 1:15:41Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, Gwyneth Paltrow.

• 1:15:43Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh. Too skinny.

• 1:15:45Bill Simmons?

  No, but she, you beef her up for this. This is, she goes on the Brad Pitt Troy. She's, she's kind of jacked.

• 1:15:50Chris Ryan?

  She's too young. She's like 38?

• 1:15:52Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. For 97, it couldn't have worked.

• 1:15:55Sean Fennessey?

  This is a good call out to the public at large.

• 1:15:58Bill Simmons?

  Demi Moore?

• 1:15:58Chris Ryan?

  A tallish 1997 woman who could plausibly win a presidential election.

• 1:16:04Bill Simmons?

  I think you have to be a good actress, but I have to believe you can win a fight against Russian terrorists.

• 1:16:09Sean Fennessey?

  Well, like, it would have been 10 years later, it's Charlize Theron, right? Like, that's who. You know, she would have been in 97. That doesn't work.

• 1:16:15Bill Simmons?

  But they wouldn't have cast a female president in 97.

• 1:16:18Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 1:16:18Bill Simmons?

  So if you're doing it in like 2017, it could have been Charlize.

• 1:16:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Bill Simmons?

  Charlize would have been.

• 1:16:24Chris Ryan?

  Now we're talking, Craig.

• 1:16:26Sean Fennessey?

  That would, I mean, didn't she play the president? She did in Long Shot. No, was she Secretary of State?

• 1:16:32Chris Ryan?

  She's Secretary of State.

• 1:16:33Sean Fennessey?

  Secretary of State.

• 1:16:34Bill Simmons?

  She's the vice president. I thought she was vice president and about to be president.

• 1:16:37Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe that's true.

• 1:16:37Bill Simmons?

  I've wanted to do Long Shot and the Rewatchables for two years. Nobody, nobody likes it.

• 1:16:41Sean Fennessey?

  Great movie.

• 1:16:42Bill Simmons?

  You guys like it?

• 1:16:42Sean Fennessey?

  We do. And we saw it at South by when it premiered. We were like, well, this will, this is going into the canon of great comedies. And then it tanked at the box office. Um, one, my, my real hottest take is that this is the single greatest box office run in the history of movie stars. 1977 through 1997. And I agree with what you're saying that it ends here. This is the absolute end of his, his pinnacle. But you can throw Cruz or Eastwood or Clark Gable or Burt Reynolds, and I don't think any of them stand up to this. You've got three Star Wars movies.

• 1:17:10Bill Simmons?

  Yep.

• 1:17:11Sean Fennessey?

  Three Indiana Jones movies, two Jack Ryan movies, Working Girl, Presumed Innocent, The Fugitive, Witness, and Apocalypse Now.

• 1:17:16Chris Ryan?

  And how many turkeys did he make during this time? It's a pretty.

• 1:17:19Bill Simmons?

  Only a couple.

• 1:17:19Sean Fennessey?

  Four or five? Yeah, not very many.

• 1:17:21Bill Simmons?

  And even the turkeys, people kind of liked. It's like frantic.

• 1:17:25Chris Ryan?

  I love to tell.

• 1:17:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, Michael Douglas had a good run, too, but that's, I mean, when you throw in the Star Wars and Raiders, it's just not fair.

• 1:17:35Chris Ryan?

  Franchise other than Jewel in the Nile.

• 1:17:36Sean Fennessey?

  There's no comparison. When he won the, um, whatever, the Golden Globe Lifetime Achievement Award, I was like, getting choked up. So I'm like, this guy just defined my movie watching life. Like, he's just in so many movies that you've seen more than any other movies.

• 1:17:49Bill Simmons?

  You have one?

• 1:17:50Sean Fennessey?

  I just think it's finally time to go back to making movies where the president fucking rules. I think we need to just get back on that.

• 1:17:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Sean Fennessey?

  We need to have a cool, awesome president and movie kick an ass again.

• 1:18:00Chris Ryan?

  Do we have? Any, what were the, like, I guess White House Down? Is Jamie Foxx the president? Which one's, what Jamie Foxx is president with Channing Tatum helping him?

• 1:18:12Bill Simmons?

  Wait, that's down?

• 1:18:13Sean Fennessey?

  That's White House Down, yeah. Olympus Has Fallen is Morgan Freeman.

• 1:18:15Chris Ryan?

  Helping.

• 1:18:16Sean Fennessey?

  Morgan Freeman, I think. Yeah.

• 1:18:18Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:18:18Bill Simmons?

  Like both of those movies?

• 1:18:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Bill Simmons?

  I think Biden as the leader of Air Force One would have been good. It's like, ah.

• 1:18:25Sean Fennessey?

  Jim Harbaugh?

• 1:18:28Bill Simmons?

  Jim Harbaugh has Joe Biden.

• 1:18:33Chris Ryan?

  I'm standing by Mike McDonald. Daniel.

• 1:18:37Bill Simmons?

  Casting What-ifs?

• 1:18:38Chris Ryan?

  Did you do What's Age the Worst?

• 1:18:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we did it.

• 1:18:42Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:18:42Bill Simmons?

  Casting What-ifs?

• 1:18:45Bill Simmons?

  Kevin Costner, first, first offer for James Marshall. Couldn't do it because he was doing the postman.

• 1:18:51Sean Fennessey?

  Whoops.

• 1:18:53Bill Simmons?

  Might have been a better movie.

• 1:18:54Chris Ryan?

  Gotta be completely honest. If they just wanted to remake this film right now with Kevin Costner, I'd probably go see it. 70 years old. Who gives a shit? I honestly would watch.

• 1:19:02Bill Simmons?

  He's a more realistic president.

• 1:19:04Chris Ryan?

  John Dutton beating people up.

• 1:19:05Sean Fennessey?

  Trump is 80 years old. I mean, it's, it's plausible that Kevin Costner could be the president right now.

• 1:19:10Chris Ryan?

  If they went to him and they were like, we're remaking Air Force One. You have to do the president, but we'll let you do Horizon Three. And we'll put two out. Deal. No money exchanged.

• 1:19:21Sean Fennessey?

  And you want him like absolutely beating the shit out of people?

• 1:19:27Sean Fennessey?

  That'd be a little hard to believe.

• 1:19:28Bill Simmons?

  I'm in on this. But Costner 97 percent support.

• 1:19:32Sean Fennessey?

  It's interesting. It's pretty close.

• 1:19:34Bill Simmons?

  It's kind of the movie I always wanted Costner to make during that whole run, but he started to do the artsy fartsy stuff.

• 1:19:39Chris Ryan?

  We started doing Waterworld and Postman and stuff.

• 1:19:42Bill Simmons?

  But I wish he had just made one of these.

• 1:19:44Sean Fennessey?

  Postman is just such a drag. Like, I.

• 1:19:46Bill Simmons?

  Sucks.

• 1:19:46Sean Fennessey?

  I, I have, I have. Waterworld is not that bad. It's like pretty fun, actually. We've talked about this before, but Postman is really bad.

• 1:19:54Bill Simmons?

  That was right when I had the illegal cable box where we had the 12 pay-per-view channels and they would just rerun the same movie. And there was like two weeks where it was just Postman was on channel 111 or whatever. Now, I was like, all right, I'll, it was fucking terrible.

• 1:20:09Chris Ryan?

  Waterworld, I would do the Rewatchables.

• 1:20:11Bill Simmons?

  Waterworld's good.

• 1:20:12Sean Fennessey?

  It is fun.

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:20:12Bill Simmons?

  I like Waterworld.

• 1:20:13Sean Fennessey?

  It is fun.

• 1:20:14Bill Simmons?

  The other casting what if is Gary Oldman did this movie over Speed Two Cruise Control. It could have been the Defoe. Good choice. Joey Pants Award for Best That Guy. We mentioned Ralph from Heat. Toy Soldiers guy. Judge from Few Good Men. Scott from Miami Vice Pilot, 1984. Who turns out, uh, he was taking money from Calderon because he had a kid in a wheelchair.

• 1:20:39Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:20:40Bill Simmons?

  Sonny's best friend. The bad guy from Beverly Hills Cop Three? I don't even know what that guy's name is.

• 1:20:47Sean Fennessey?

  Is that Ilya Baskin?

• 1:20:51Bill Simmons?

  And the redheaded Secret Service guy from 24.

• 1:20:54Chris Ryan?

  Glenn Moreshower.

• 1:20:55Bill Simmons?

  Had a, had a nice run. Like that guy.

• 1:20:57Sean Fennessey?

  He's a great that guy.

• 1:20:58Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I think it's Ralph from Heat.

• 1:21:00Chris Ryan?

  I think so, too.

• 1:21:01Bill Simmons?

  I honestly didn't know his name was Xander Berkeley until.

• 1:21:04Chris Ryan?

  I, I, I love Xander Berkeley's like acting and he's been awesome in so much stuff, but it would be him or Moreshower for me.

• 1:21:11Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:21:12Sean Fennessey?

  I like J. Preston, too. The, the judge from Few Good Men.

• 1:21:16Bill Simmons?

  I believe I've earned it. Dion Waiters Award. Stockwell, fax machine lady, dubious switchboard lady.

• 1:21:25Sean Fennessey?

  She's amazing.

• 1:21:26Bill Simmons?

  Probably the winner.

• 1:21:27Sean Fennessey?

  Fine by me.

• 1:21:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:28Chris Ryan?

  I'd probably go.

• 1:21:31Chris Ryan?

  Man, do you think, am I, do I have Boogie Nights goggles on to say it's Macy?

• 1:21:36Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's Prock Now.

• 1:21:38Chris Ryan?

  No, no lines, but Prock Now.

• 1:21:40Sean Fennessey?

  Every time he's on, on screen, the movie is cooking.

• 1:21:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Bill Simmons?

  What do you think?

• 1:21:45Sean Fennessey?

  I do like The Receptionist. You want to make a federal case out of this? Fine by me.

• 1:21:50Bill Simmons?

  Recasting couch director city.

• 1:21:54Bill Simmons?

  I had Demi Moore as the first lady. Let's, let's, let's spend some money, guys. What are we doing? We're gonna make 315 million here. Let's have a real first lady.

• 1:22:02Chris Ryan?

  But there's probably then gonna have to be like four more scenes with the first lady of like her, her talking to like William Macy or Paul Guilfoyle or whatever. You kind of just want to be with the president the entire time.

• 1:22:14Bill Simmons?

  We get a scene when she uses the airplane bathroom and she like.

• 1:22:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Bill Simmons?

  Gets a couple of buttons open. Yeah, just to get a little sex in there.

• 1:22:22Sean Fennessey?

  I know who the president would be if it had to be a female in 1997. It's, it's Sigourney Weaver. Yeah, that's good. She's coming off Dave where she is by the first lady. She gets to get her justice.

• 1:22:32Bill Simmons?

  They cross movies. First Lady, she now becomes the president.

• 1:22:35Chris Ryan?

  You can even do it with Kevin Kline playing the Veep.

• 1:22:38Bill Simmons?

  Sounds great. What do you have for a flex, Craig?

• 1:22:41Sean Fennessey?

  The Earn This Award for a cringey quote that should have been vetted by William Goldman first. I just love after, after Marshall's speech and they're.

• 1:22:48Chris Ryan?

  In the car, they're kind of assessing how the speech went. The chief of staff, Paul Guilf, goes, they're already calling it the be afraid speech. And he goes, good.

• 1:23:00Chris Ryan?

  The country's calling it the be afraid speech.

• 1:23:02Bill Simmons?

  There was like barely an internet back then.

• 1:23:05Chris Ryan?

  What's the news saying? It's the be afraid speech. That's, I guess they were just watching CNN, yeah.

• 1:23:11Sean Fennessey?

  Do you agree with his foreign policy?

• 1:23:13Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I mean, he stuck to it, I guess.

• 1:23:15Sean Fennessey?

  But what do you think?

• 1:23:15Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I don't, I think there's probably a lot to be said for negotiating with terrorists. Well, my question was, when did the we don't negotiate with terrorists thing start? Like, hasn't that always been America's like policy? Like, was this, was it a big deal that in nineteen ninety seven, a president says that? Well, he says, I think Stockwell says this has been policy. That's the thing that's weird is you're right. When Marshall says it, they're like, fuck, we have to rewrite everything. Right, they're like, holy shit, the be afraid speech. It's been that way since Kennedy, right?

• 1:23:43Bill Simmons?

  I was gonna bring this up later. There's two worlds, movies, we don't negotiate with terrorists. And in real life, we negotiate with terrorists. So I don't, it's just these.

• 1:23:52Sean Fennessey?

  We try to get hostages back. Yeah, we do things.

• 1:23:54Bill Simmons?

  We do negotiate with terrorists the entire time I've been alive. How fast internet research?

• 1:24:00Chris Ryan?

  No swaps.

• 1:24:02Bill Simmons?

  You mentioned that, uh, most of the crew took a tour of the real Air Force One. They rented a Boeing seven forty seven one forty six aircraft to film, repainted it. Ford refused to do a scene in the script where Marshall sits down to gather himself. Cause he felt Marshall wouldn't have sat down with his family in crisis. Like little tidbits like that. Harrison Ford, everybody says great guy. I like when they flex a little bit. It's like, I'm not doing that one. I don't think he would do that. And Peterson's like, fuck, we're paying this guy twenty million.

• 1:24:35Bill Simmons?

  In the original draft, you mentioned this, Gibbs reveals himself as the mole and becomes part of the terrorists. And then they decided way better if he's stealth, under the radar. And I think that's the right move.

• 1:24:46Chris Ryan?

  It is, but it's, the movie suffers by what Sean was saying, which is like.

• 1:24:51Chris Ryan?

  You're like, that's the end of the movie. And then there's another thirty minutes to go.

• 1:24:54Sean Fennessey?

  I think if they would just added the scene, one scene you suggested of him speaking Russian, or did you suggest that of him just talking in Russian on the phone or to Oldman, it would have been fine.

• 1:25:04Bill Simmons?

  Quentin's review of this movie was, I absolutely loved it.

• 1:25:11Bill Simmons?

  And, uh, he said the escape pod in the rear parachute ramp did not actually exist on Air Force One.

• 1:25:18Bill Simmons?

  It's not like he hasn't lied before. I don't believe him.

• 1:25:20Sean Fennessey?

  What did he lie about?

• 1:25:22Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, he lied about things. Apex Mountain, Harrison Ford, no way.

• 1:25:26Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:25:28Bill Simmons?

  Die Hard rip offs, I'm gonna say no.

• 1:25:29Chris Ryan?

  Nope.

• 1:25:31Bill Simmons?

  Gary Oldman, no.

• 1:25:32Sean Fennessey?

  I would say Oldman one point oh.

• 1:25:34Chris Ryan?

  You think this over Truman?

• 1:25:35Sean Fennessey?

  Cause this is the biggest movie he was in.

• 1:25:37Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Wait, what's the apex for Die Hard rip offs?

• 1:25:39Bill Simmons?

  I would say Speed.

• 1:25:42Bill Simmons?

  Article twenty five, we've probably done better. Action movies with Russians that aren't actually Russian in real life.

• 1:25:50Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:25:52Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot of those. Every movie, yeah.

• 1:25:54Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of James Bond movies like that.

• 1:25:55Bill Simmons?

  Wolfie Peterson?

• 1:25:58Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:25:58Sean Fennessey?

  No, In the Line of Fire or Dust Boat, yeah. Neverending Story, I mean, he's made some.

• 1:26:02Chris Ryan?

  Do you like Outbreak?

• 1:26:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's okay. It's not bad. It's a weird one, cause it's Dustin Hoffman and it's supposed to be like Harrison Ford.

• 1:26:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:10Sean Fennessey?

  And if, if you, I don't know if we'll ever do Outbreak, but if you put in like a Costner type in Outbreak, it's so much better.

• 1:26:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Ninety seven movies with Philip Baker Hall and William H. Macy in it? No. Glenn Close? Nope.

• 1:26:23Bill Simmons?

  Secret Service guys taking a bullet for somebody?

• 1:26:26Sean Fennessey?

  In the Line of Fire, right?

• 1:26:27Chris Ryan?

  I don't know if it's this movie, but this is a great period of time for CNN being in the movies as exposition.

• 1:26:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:34Chris Ryan?

  So like, I, I, the.

• 1:26:37Bill Simmons?

  Beak of CNN.

• 1:26:37Chris Ryan?

  The guy from CNN who's like, is like basically the narrator of Crimson Tide. CNN comes up a lot, like in a lot of these kind of Die Hard ish movies.

• 1:26:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, who was the anchor, Bernard, the black journalist?

• 1:26:48Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:49Bill Simmons?

  Bernard Shaw.

• 1:26:50Sean Fennessey?

  Bernard Shaw. I just feel like Bernard Shaw was in so many movies.

• 1:26:52Chris Ryan?

  Lizer is in a lot, yeah.

• 1:26:55Bill Simmons?

  Andrew D. Ball.

• 1:26:57Chris Ryan?

  D. Voth.

• 1:26:57Bill Simmons?

  D. Voth. Andrew D. Voth.

• 1:27:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:27:01Bill Simmons?

  Toy Soldiers, we made the jokes during that part, Kyle and I about that he was basically doing the Oldman. But he wasn't Gary Oldman, where he'd be like.

• 1:27:12Bill Simmons?

  Didn't I say that to Chris Ryan? Don't. But Oldman actually knows how to do it. So it's funny that D. Ball, D. Voth was in this movie. Bill Clinton, Apex Mountain? This is right before the wheels kind of come off with the Lewinsky scandal.

• 1:27:26Chris Ryan?

  Oh, so you think just the fact that they're making.

• 1:27:28Bill Simmons?

  He's like, I saw it twice. I thought it was incredible.

• 1:27:31Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it's funny you bring that up. I was reading, I've been reading a lot of history about landslide elections and big changes in government. And, and, and this, you know, the last time something like what happened yesterday happened was really in nineteen ninety four. Two years after Clinton was elected, he then got absolutely destroyed. The Democrats got destroyed, yeah, in ninety four. And so he wasn't really riding that high. I mean, it was a fairly short run.

• 1:27:57Bill Simmons?

  He did get reelected.

• 1:27:58Sean Fennessey?

  He did get reelected, yeah. But he was running.

• 1:28:00Chris Ryan?

  But it was like a long, that's a long way from him being on Arsenio and it's just like, this, this guy.

• 1:28:05Sean Fennessey?

  Right. And that was ninety one when he was doing that.

• 1:28:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:09Bill Simmons?

  American President movies? No. It's either Dave or American President, I think. Croc Down, no. Uh, people just randomly parachuting? Definitely yes. Ralph from Heat? No, no.

• 1:28:26Bill Simmons?

  VP performances in a movie?

• 1:28:31Chris Ryan?

  Who's the VP in American President? Is it Tim Hafstain again?

• 1:28:36Sean Fennessey?

  I don't even remember.

• 1:28:37Bill Simmons?

  I really like Ben Kingsley and Dave. But that can't be the answer.

• 1:28:40Sean Fennessey?

  When he comes back from Africa with the mask.

• 1:28:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:28:44Bill Simmons?

  He's a good man.

• 1:28:45Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, you know, in The Contender, it, it is Joan Allen. And that's a very, that is a good performance. Kind of a strange movie.

• 1:28:52Bill Simmons?

  The Contender's been on Tubi and it kind of hurts my feelings. I feel like it's the level above Tubi.

• 1:28:57Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I didn't know you would really like judge something for being on Tubi.

• 1:29:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I did judge it a little bit.

• 1:29:01Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:29:02Bill Simmons?

  I did.

• 1:29:02Sean Fennessey?

  You love Tubi.

• 1:29:03Chris Ryan?

  I thought you'd think.

• 1:29:03Bill Simmons?

  I love Tubi. I feel like Contender is like a little bit too good for Tubi.

• 1:29:07Chris Ryan?

  Tubi is kind of the speaker's corner of all movies.

• 1:29:09Bill Simmons?

  We need like Tubi Gold. Like really, The Contender should be on Netflix, a great streaming service. Tubi Gold.

• 1:29:16Chris Ryan?

  And who decides what makes Tubi Gold?

• 1:29:18Bill Simmons?

  Me.

• 1:29:19Chris Ryan?

  Glenn Tubi and you, yeah.

• 1:29:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Glenn Tubi and I.

• 1:29:22Chris Ryan?

  Do you have to pay more for Tubi Gold?

• 1:29:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good idea.

• 1:29:24Chris Ryan?

  Isn't that the whole point of Tubi though?

• 1:29:25Sean Fennessey?

  Longer commercials, longer commercials.

• 1:29:27Bill Simmons?

  It's like one dollar a month and you're just, the movies are slightly better.

• 1:29:31Chris Ryan?

  Tubi continued.

• 1:29:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Bill Simmons?

  And then, uh, my last Apex Mountain, nineteen ninety seven, William H. Macy shootings.

• 1:29:41Bill Simmons?

  Probably Boogie Nights.

• 1:29:43Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, he's coming off Fargo too, if you remember.

• 1:29:47Bill Simmons?

  Was that, that was ninety six? He's just dying in every movie for years.

• 1:29:51Chris Ryan?

  Is he getting, no, that would spoil that movie for us.

• 1:29:54Bill Simmons?

  Cruiser Hanks?

• 1:29:56Chris Ryan?

  Um, oof. I'm gonna go Hanks, but it's pretty close.

• 1:30:00Bill Simmons?

  I went with Hanks, cause this was the kind of movie I wish Hanks had made, but he just didn't.

• 1:30:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, well, he basically does in Captain Phillips.

• 1:30:07Bill Simmons?

  Right, which is way after his prime.

• 1:30:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Sean Fennessey?

  He, did he?

• 1:30:11Bill Simmons?

  Cruiser Hanks.

• 1:30:12Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think it's Hanks as well. Did Hanks ever play the president?

• 1:30:15Chris Ryan?

  No. Congressman, astronaut.

• 1:30:18Sean Fennessey?

  How can that be? That's shocking.

• 1:30:20Bill Simmons?

  There's still time. He's aging into the right age.

• 1:30:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's true. I mean, he would, he would be great.

• 1:30:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:25Chris Ryan?

  Cruz would bring a weird energy as the president.

• 1:30:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:27Bill Simmons?

  Hans Gruber scale villain ranking, Oldman nine point five, I think.

• 1:30:31Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty up there.

• 1:30:32Bill Simmons?

  The Russian's really good. Like, you really think he's Russian.

• 1:30:35Chris Ryan?

  He's grubery, but he's, he's not like Freddy Krueger.

• 1:30:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Chris Ryan?

  But yeah, you know, he's also kind of woke. He's like reminding everybody about the Iraq war and everything.

• 1:30:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:30:45Bill Simmons?

  We did a lot of the picking nits already.

• 1:30:50Bill Simmons?

  The dead bodies in the plane don't seem to be in the consistently same spots, I did notice.

• 1:30:56Chris Ryan?

  I think the Russians are supposed to have moved them, but that would start to get a little smelly.

• 1:30:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And then, uh, I just, we talked about it, but.

• 1:31:04Chris Ryan?

  I got, I got a couple here.

• 1:31:06Bill Simmons?

  The ramp with the people that close to the ramp, I just feel like you'd be so much more scared. I can't imagine anything more scary than being with like an open end of a plane and you're just five feet away. None of them seem to be properly terrified, but what do you got?

• 1:31:21Chris Ryan?

  Why does Marshall need that lady to come with him to fax that piece of paper? Doesn't that seem like an unnecessary sacrifice? Like.

• 1:31:28Bill Simmons?

  The prez can't just fax his own thing?

• 1:31:30Chris Ryan?

  She can't, I mean, like, like, why is it her job? Like, no one else in that room who might be like more trained for combat is like, I can send a fax as well, like.

• 1:31:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:39Chris Ryan?

  And then, you know, throwing out postmaster general, that's cronyism. Uh, I'm not, I'm not a fan. Um, and then I would also say, there's one point when Bennett and uh, Marshall are talking and they exchange the phrase, if you give a mouse a cookie, it's going to ask for a glass of milk. As if that's like an, a classic saying that people do all the time. And he's like, what do I always say? Do you give a mouse a cookie? And she's like, ah, he's gonna ask for milk. Got it, prez. And it's just like, I don't, nobody says that.

• 1:32:13Bill Simmons?

  People are calling it the be scared speech.

• 1:32:17Chris Ryan?

  Also, like, a lot of the second act of this movie hinges on the Secretary of Defense asking, like, asking the Attorney General to name him essentially acting president. And it aligns the fact that like Marshall could have cleared that up by being like, Bennett's in charge.

• 1:32:34Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 1:32:34Chris Ryan?

  Let's like, stop distracting each other, like.

• 1:32:37Sean Fennessey?

  I guess we didn't talk about Alexander Haig, by the way. That's what that's inspired by, yeah, you know, with the Reagan assassination attempt.

• 1:32:44Bill Simmons?

  Do you think there's a small part of Bennett's like, eh?

• 1:32:47Sean Fennessey?

  Not interested.

• 1:32:47Bill Simmons?

  I could, I could probably do this job if anything happens here.

• 1:32:50Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, sure.

• 1:32:52Bill Simmons?

  Like, three percent. Sequel, prequel, streamer, all black cast, spinoff.

• 1:32:56Sean Fennessey?

  Wait, no more nits to pick?

• 1:32:57Bill Simmons?

  You have more?

• 1:32:58Sean Fennessey?

  What, there, are there no cameras on Air Force One?

• 1:33:01Chris Ryan?

  In ninety seven?

• 1:33:02Bill Simmons?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:33:04Sean Fennessey?

  In nineteen, it's not like it's nineteen oh four.

• 1:33:06Chris Ryan?

  Well, is that the only news crew? Cause there's so much press on the plane, right?

• 1:33:09Sean Fennessey?

  Right. I, I, I just feel like, uh, that just seems unlikely that there are no cameras on the plane.

• 1:33:17Sean Fennessey?

  Right?

• 1:33:17Bill Simmons?

  I mean, Ebert thought it was unlikely that they made a phone call from the plane, so I don't know. We've seen different technology go up or down and never know what works and doesn't work.

• 1:33:26Sean Fennessey?

  Also, can, can the president unilaterally release a war criminal in Russia? What is that?

• 1:33:35Chris Ryan?

  Sounds like he unilaterally captured him in the first place.

• 1:33:37Sean Fennessey?

  That's true, but he's just like, Petrov is free. Like, I don't think the president can do that. Okay, that's it.

• 1:33:45Bill Simmons?

  Do you think they didn't?

• 1:33:46Sean Fennessey?

  These are important.

• 1:33:47Chris Ryan?

  How did the fingerprint thing work? They just, how'd they get away with that?

• 1:33:49Sean Fennessey?

  Did they have touchscreens in ninety seven?

• 1:33:51Chris Ryan?

  They just, but like, how did they pass that test? I don't know. Their fingerprint didn't work. It's honestly like, you just walked into the job interview where just like, yeah, I do have a master's in business. Like, it showed like his name came up on the.

• 1:34:02Sean Fennessey?

  And then, why did he get? Oh, here's another one. Instead of the zip line thing, why didn't they just bring more parachutes over to Air Force One? And then people could just jump out of the plane.

• 1:34:11Chris Ryan?

  Well, they were over the ocean at that point. So then you start getting into.

• 1:34:14Sean Fennessey?

  Get some planes down there, water landing, you know?

• 1:34:17Bill Simmons?

  I think those guys would have had more weapons that came onto the plane at the end, too.

• 1:34:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:21Bill Simmons?

  Say, hey, I'm here to find the plane.

• 1:34:23Chris Ryan?

  The plane's too low to jump. Cause you need a certain amount of altitude for the parachute to actually.

• 1:34:28Sean Fennessey?

  I guess that's, that could be the case. Has, has, has a, has a rope transfer like that ever actually happened in real life?

• 1:34:35Chris Ryan?

  Not to my knowledge and my research about.

• 1:34:37Sean Fennessey?

  Because it's not possible or no one's ever done it?

• 1:34:41Sean Fennessey?

  You always make it sound like you've been. But I can't be sure, yeah.

• 1:34:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, how would you even like?

• 1:34:46Sean Fennessey?

  Can you do that? And you know, have the Navy SEALs done that?

• 1:34:49Chris Ryan?

  That would be a sick way for Trump to like, sign off.

• 1:34:56Bill Simmons?

  I was thinking about Trump and Air Force One, the Shane Gillis joke about when he does the Trump physicality of Trump, just Trump like fighting these guys.

• 1:35:08Bill Simmons?

  The sequel would have been called Air Force Two, which doesn't make sense. So that maybe that's why we never had one.

• 1:35:14Sean Fennessey?

  The sequel.

• 1:35:14Bill Simmons?

  Air Force One, Part Two?

• 1:35:16Chris Ryan?

  It could have just been Ivan's brother takes the White House.

• 1:35:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's with Die Hard with Vengeance, that's right.

• 1:35:23Bill Simmons?

  I mean, honestly?

• 1:35:25Bill Simmons?

  Harrison Ford, early two thousands, kinda needed an Air Force Two.

• 1:35:28Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 1:35:29Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 1:35:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:30Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 1:35:30Bill Simmons?

  And that's like, I would have seen that in the theater, no questions asked. Like, Air Force One's back?

• 1:35:35Sean Fennessey?

  What Lies Beneath was big, but aside from that, it's pretty quiet in the two thousands for him.

• 1:35:39Chris Ryan?

  It's hard to imagine him being in US Marshals, but he probably needed US Marshals more than Tommy Lee Jones did.

• 1:35:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, US Marshal's same screenwriter as Air Force One. I forget the guy's name.

• 1:35:48Bill Simmons?

  But he wasn't in US Marshals.

• 1:35:49Chris Ryan?

  You know who did a pass on this, on, on Air Force One?

• 1:35:52Sean Fennessey?

  Who?

• 1:35:52Chris Ryan?

  Paul Adenagio.

• 1:35:53Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, I just met him.

• 1:35:55Chris Ryan?

  Did you really?

• 1:35:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Nice guy.

• 1:35:56Chris Ryan?

  Okay. Were you sure about that?

• 1:35:59Sean Fennessey?

  Is he dead?

• 1:36:00Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:36:00Sean Fennessey?

  No, okay.

• 1:36:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:01Sean Fennessey?

  Was he not a nice guy?

• 1:36:02Chris Ryan?

  He was an awesome guy. I mean, he's made homicide. He was a Washington Post film critic.

• 1:36:07Bill Simmons?

  He just came up in a movie we did.

• 1:36:08Chris Ryan?

  He, uh, did a really nice review of Nightmare on.

• 1:36:12Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't meet Paul Adenagio, I met a different screenwriter, thinking of somebody else, but I'm not gonna say who it is to insult that person.

• 1:36:17Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:36:18Sean Fennessey?

  Tell you off mic. It's Aaron Sorkin.

• 1:36:24Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe, or somebody else?

• 1:36:27Chris Ryan?

  I think Zane and Ivan needed to talk it out. Ivan died too soon before Zane could just be like, Ivan, man. You've got Radek out of prison. You're heading back to Kazakhstani airspace.

• 1:36:38Sean Fennessey?

  Stop looking at me.

• 1:36:39Chris Ryan?

  But what's next? What's next for you, man? Because your morality, your private morality, put it aside for Mother Russia. But now, what's Mother Russia gonna give to you, mate? What is going on?

• 1:36:57Sean Fennessey?

  Zane should pivot to terrorists.

• 1:37:02Sean Fennessey?

  That would be good conversations.

• 1:37:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Juice apples numbers a little bit.

• 1:37:07Bill Simmons?

  We have Philip Baker Hall in the, in the war room.

• 1:37:10Chris Ryan?

  We do.

• 1:37:11Bill Simmons?

  I just feel like he could have called Ivan.

• 1:37:15Bill Simmons?

  Like, hey, I'm a simple man, Ivan. Butter my ass, lollipops in my mouth, but I do wanna know what you're doing here with terrorism.

• 1:37:24Chris Ryan?

  Do you guys, do you think Philip Baker Hall is good in this movie?

• 1:37:27Bill Simmons?

  Hey, it's a classic, just complete mail-in. I don't know why he's in it.

• 1:37:31Chris Ryan?

  Cause he doesn't.

• 1:37:31Bill Simmons?

  It's so exciting to see him.

• 1:37:33Chris Ryan?

  He's the only person in the entire, uh, executive branch who doesn't seem to be thinking that this is surprising.

• 1:37:38Sean Fennessey?

  It's a very similar.

• 1:37:40Chris Ryan?

  Where is he? When they're like, go get the Attorney General, and it takes like twenty minutes to find him.

• 1:37:45Bill Simmons?

  It's almost like they called in a favor and he did a scene to beef up the IMDb.

• 1:37:49Sean Fennessey?

  He has one great moment where he corrects Dean Stockwell on his assumption that he's gonna be able to seize power. That reminds me a lot of in Zodiac, where like, his entire job in Zodiac is to be like, you might think that, but that's why you're wrong, and not a handwriting expert. And he kinda does the same thing in this movie.

• 1:38:06Bill Simmons?

  Just one Oscar who gets it.

• 1:38:09Chris Ryan?

  Oldman?

• 1:38:10Sean Fennessey?

  I have, I have Oldman.

• 1:38:11Bill Simmons?

  Best Supporting Actor.

• 1:38:12Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm just looking at the Oldman, like, the, the Ivan quotes, and just everything he says is, is incredible. When he asks, uh, Vice, the Vice President, how's your silk blouse?

• 1:38:24Chris Ryan?

  Rad elector.

• 1:38:24Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible stuff.

• 1:38:26Bill Simmons?

  Nineteen ninety-eight Oscars, Best Supporting Actors, Robin Williams wins for Good Will Hunting.

• 1:38:33Bill Simmons?

  Robert Forster, Jackie Brown.

• 1:38:37Bill Simmons?

  Anthony Hopkins, Amistad.

• 1:38:39Chris Ryan?

  It's one of your worst fucking takes.

• 1:38:41Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's just in rage, Sean. Craig Kinnear is good as it gets, and Burt Reynolds for Boogie Nights.

• 1:38:45Chris Ryan?

  I think he could have taken the Craig Kinnear.

• 1:38:47Sean Fennessey?

  Kinnear goes out.

• 1:38:48Chris Ryan?

  This is like up.

• 1:38:49Bill Simmons?

  We've had a lot of people in that Craig Kinnear spot over the last.

• 1:38:51Chris Ryan?

  No disrespect to him, but this is like up there with the Malkovich and the line of fire performance. This is so good.

• 1:38:57Bill Simmons?

  Probably in the answerable questions. You have the good son mom. How do you not have a moment where she's holding the two security agents off the ramp?

• 1:39:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:39:06Bill Simmons?

  Like, run it back. This is what, this is her move.

• 1:39:08Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, recasting.

• 1:39:11Sean Fennessey?

  We spent so much time on Wendy Cruisen, and we could have had Macaulay Culkin in as the twelve-year-old kid.

• 1:39:18Bill Simmons?

  He could have been the older brother.

• 1:39:20Sean Fennessey?

  I'd get, get the Pritzker girl out of here. Get a son in there who's getting in the action.

• 1:39:25Chris Ryan?

  And he's like really pissed off. He's like, why'd you bring me all the way to Moscow to see ballet?

• 1:39:29Sean Fennessey?

  What do I have with my friends, Dad?

• 1:39:30Bill Simmons?

  I think there could have been a second kid. That kid would have been on the early dark web internet.

• 1:39:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Bill Simmons?

  Probably like, online on, on his cell phone, trying to figure out what was going on. The, the, uh.

• 1:39:46Bill Simmons?

  He's still audits him out. What president in history could have pulled off what James Marshall did here?

• 1:39:51Chris Ryan?

  I mean, I think.

• 1:39:52Bill Simmons?

  Teddy Roosevelt?

• 1:39:53Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely.

• 1:39:54Chris Ryan?

  Jack Kennedy?

• 1:39:56Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely.

• 1:39:56Bill Simmons?

  Bad back. I think he loses the first fight.

• 1:39:58Sean Fennessey?

  But was a veteran.

• 1:39:59Bill Simmons?

  Trying to bang one of the Russian terrorists.

• 1:40:01Sean Fennessey?

  Was a veteran. I feel like that's a part of this, is like, this marshal is a military guy. He was in, he served.

• 1:40:07Chris Ryan?

  W?

• 1:40:07Bill Simmons?

  Nixon, no way.

• 1:40:08Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:40:09Bill Simmons?

  W, maybe.

• 1:40:10Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:40:11Bill Simmons?

  Maybe.

• 1:40:13Sean Fennessey?

  He skipped his military service. What are you talking about?

• 1:40:16Chris Ryan?

  He's saving it up for this.

• 1:40:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:18Bill Simmons?

  I just need to know who can win a fight in a closed room with a Russian terrorist.

• 1:40:23Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Obama could?

• 1:40:24Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:40:25Chris Ryan?

  Do you have Obama's phone number? Can you text him?

• 1:40:27Bill Simmons?

  He's too skinny.

• 1:40:28Chris Ryan?

  Blind call Obama?

• 1:40:30Bill Simmons?

  He's like a hundred and fifty pounds.

• 1:40:33Sean Fennessey?

  Does Obama like Air Force One?

• 1:40:36Bill Simmons?

  I don't know that either. I don't, I don't know if Obama likes his movies.

• 1:40:39Chris Ryan?

  I thought you guys were boys.

• 1:40:40Bill Simmons?

  I think Teddy Roosevelt's the answer.

• 1:40:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good one. I feel like Andrew Jackson.

• 1:40:44Bill Simmons?

  Last Joe Biden.

• 1:40:44Chris Ryan?

  But is, is Teddy Roosevelt like five, seven and kind of like a fat piece of shit?

• 1:40:48Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:40:49Bill Simmons?

  No, he was like a man's man.

• 1:40:50Chris Ryan?

  Okay, what were Teddy Roosevelt's measurables? Tell me.

• 1:40:55Sean Fennessey?

  Four, three, forty?

• 1:40:58Bill Simmons?

  LBJ might have done okay, too.

• 1:40:59Chris Ryan?

  LBJ?

• 1:41:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:01Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know.

• 1:41:01Bill Simmons?

  He's a fucking badass, man. He got the president killed. He was doing that whole assassination.

• 1:41:08Bill Simmons?

  He was running that whole operation. Prove me wrong.

• 1:41:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:12Bill Simmons?

  He's a big dude, though. Texas.

• 1:41:15Sean Fennessey?

  He cannot leave Dallas alive.

• 1:41:19Bill Simmons?

  I have one more, but do you guys have any in answerables?

• 1:41:25Bill Simmons?

  I have a big one.

• 1:41:26Chris Ryan?

  No, I didn't. I mean, I, I have to say that a lot of my answer, answerable questions center on why they kidnapped Radek. What Radek did to threaten the US, and if he was so like against it, why did he use American soldiers?

• 1:41:40Sean Fennessey?

  Where was Ivan gonna land the plane?

• 1:41:43Chris Ryan?

  Kazakhstan.

• 1:41:44Sean Fennessey?

  In Kazakhstan, that was the plan?

• 1:41:45Chris Ryan?

  He's like, don't come into Kazakhstan airspace or.

• 1:41:47Bill Simmons?

  I can't believe I'd ever made the Borat connection. Like, Borats waited for the plane. Very nice!

• 1:41:56Bill Simmons?

  All right, here's my big one. How does this plane not run out of gas?

• 1:42:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:01Bill Simmons?

  So, takes off from Moscow, middle of the night, flies to southwest Germany. It's like three, three and a half hours later, right?

• 1:42:11Bill Simmons?

  Pres starts letting the fuel out somewhere when they're flying back to Kazakhstan, which is two thousand miles from Germany. That's another four hours. Now we're at seven.

• 1:42:19Chris Ryan?

  But then the Russian guy stops the fuel leak.

• 1:42:21Bill Simmons?

  Fueling brake stops. They go east into the Caspian Sea city of Aturao. It's another four hours. So we've been on this plane eleven hours, and President took out some of the fuel.

• 1:42:36Chris Ryan?

  I bet that.

• 1:42:37Bill Simmons?

  I just think there's no way.

• 1:42:38Chris Ryan?

  Air Force One probably has like mad reserve fuel tanks. Like.

• 1:42:42Bill Simmons?

  But you can't have too much.

• 1:42:43Chris Ryan?

  But aren't they supposed to be able to like govern from the sky if there's a nuclear like accident? Like, don't.

• 1:42:49Sean Fennessey?

  It does make the plane very heavy.

• 1:42:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:51Bill Simmons?

  Eleven hours, and they let out fuel? I don't know. I think the thing crashes.

• 1:42:55Sean Fennessey?

  Google says twelve to fourteen hours, Air Force One can fly. All right, there you go.

• 1:42:59Bill Simmons?

  So they let out an hour of fuel, barely made it. Remember the most one from this movie? The signed sheet? With the empty VP thing taped back together?

• 1:43:08Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that's good.

• 1:43:09Bill Simmons?

  That Glenn Close, that'd be a fun one.

• 1:43:10Chris Ryan?

  That'd be good. I was gonna say the Tate, the TV playing the Notre Dame Michigan game.

• 1:43:15Sean Fennessey?

  I have the President's baseball glove.

• 1:43:16Chris Ryan?

  Which does.

• 1:43:17Bill Simmons?

  Which does exist and was never seen.

• 1:43:19Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe.

• 1:43:20Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Ward, uh, best worst life lesson? Don't let a weird Russian TV crew on your President's plane?

• 1:43:27Chris Ryan?

  That's good.

• 1:43:28Bill Simmons?

  Be a good one.

• 1:43:28Sean Fennessey?

  Seems like a good idea.

• 1:43:29Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for double feature?

• 1:43:31Sean Fennessey?

  Executive decision. Another.

• 1:43:33Bill Simmons?

  Cigal.

• 1:43:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, for fifteen minutes.

• 1:43:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:36Sean Fennessey?

  Until he gets blown off the plane. Sorry, spoilers for executive decision.

• 1:43:40Chris Ryan?

  Probably go.

• 1:43:43Chris Ryan?

  Doctor Strangelove.

• 1:43:46Bill Simmons?

  How ambitious. I was just, I just went with Dave.

• 1:43:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:49Bill Simmons?

  Uh, who won the movie?

• 1:43:50Chris Ryan?

  I, I know that you guys will probably give it to Ford, so I'm, I'm gonna put my vote in for Oldman.

• 1:43:55Sean Fennessey?

  I have Oldman.

• 1:43:56Bill Simmons?

  I have Oldman as well.

• 1:43:57Chris Ryan?

  I think it's like.

• 1:43:58Bill Simmons?

  Who do you have?

• 1:43:59Chris Ryan?

  An obvious Harrison Ford W, but I think Oldman makes this movie rewatchable and special.

• 1:44:04Bill Simmons?

  Ford's, Ford's just not, uh, he's like Mahomes in Week Eight.

• 1:44:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:08Bill Simmons?

  Seen in, against the Chargers.

• 1:44:10Chris Ryan?

  Selling calls.

• 1:44:11Bill Simmons?

  And he's just throwing for two thirty, couple TDs, scrambles for one, never, game's never in doubt.

• 1:44:16Sean Fennessey?

  If you ever are wondering who owns this movie, re-watch the scene where Oldman's henchman tells him that the President has escaped on the escape pod. And he's just like, ah!

• 1:44:29Chris Ryan?

  What does he say in Russian to his boys? He's like, I served with him for five years in Afghanistan. Find this man, or you lie down with him. It's like.

• 1:44:40Bill Simmons?

  I think the reason it's Oldman is cause if, if the Oldman part doesn't work, the movie sucks.

• 1:44:44Sean Fennessey?

  Agree.

• 1:44:45Bill Simmons?

  It's just bad.

• 1:44:46Sean Fennessey?

  It's just mediocre.

• 1:44:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. If it's, it's same thing with Malkovich and in the line of fire, just to send it. All right, Craig, had you seen this movie before?

• 1:44:55Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. This is like one of the first movies I can ever remember watching with my dad. This is a great dad and son movie. I was probably like ten or twelve years old, had an absolute blast. Um, I'd probably think Ford's the winner just cause he's my favorite. And I have a nostalgia for actors like him that you don't really have anymore. Yeah, this is like as enjoyable as an action movie can get. It sucks now that I think this type of movie lives somewhere between like Netflix and a movie theater. Like it's not quite enough to feel bankable enough to put in a movie theater. But it's like too big in to put on the streamer now, because I that's like, I guess like there's movies like Extraction with Chris Hemsworth.

• 1:45:26Chris Ryan?

  I legitimately wonder how many directors out there even would know how to make a movie like this at this point.

• 1:45:31Sean Fennessey?

  I love a B pop movie with like A level cast and crew, and that's exactly what this is.

• 1:45:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:37Sean Fennessey?

  I don't really do that anymore. Like Matt Damon and Sam Rockwell and Cate Blanchett would not make this movie now and they put it in movie theaters. Or I would love it, but I feel like you just don't see that now. I think it's instructive to think about like Denis Villeneuve, because he's, you know, more of an arthouse filmmaker, but not so far afield from what Wolfgang Peterson was doing. And he's making Dune movies and Bond movies, you know, like those are they're attached to more well-known properties so that they can be 250 million dollar movies. You just couldn't spend that much money on a movie like this.

• 1:46:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, like the

• 1:46:05Sean Fennessey?

  The original movie.

• 1:46:06Chris Ryan?

  The airplane crash or the midair thing in Dark Knight Rises. I would love to see Christopher Nolan make like a an airplane action movie like this, but he wouldn't.

• 1:46:16Sean Fennessey?

  Well, because there's like a little bit of like, I feel like people are gravitating towards original horror, right? Horror is huge in movie theaters and it's like, there's a little bit of steel in this with IP horror. And people are like, you know, I want to see an original horror movie. It would be awesome if there was just like an original action movie that a big time director made and put it in theaters. I think people would be interested to see that.

• 1:46:33Chris Ryan?

  I think it's also an actor thing, though, because like the the way that in the 90s you were drafting people into action movies out of pretty regular roles. And Harrison Ford and Bruce Willis like were not action guys, really, like they were real actors, you know? And you would have to have somebody like, I mean, DiCaprio's really hasn't made a movie like this since Body of Lies or something like that.

• 1:46:57Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we did an episode of The Town about why we don't make action movies anymore like the way we used to. And we had a producer on who produced the John Wick movies. And he was like, a lot of it is that actors now don't want to put in the work to do it because it's really fucking hard on your body.

• 1:47:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:09Sean Fennessey?

  And it just takes a lot. And like what Keanu Reeves goes through is really hard. Again, I feel like MBJ and Austin Butler are like two people who still actually do this. It's just that the movies that they're making are Thomas Crown Affair, Miami Vice 85 like, but they're they're doing the same thing that, you know, Stallone was doing. Or that even that Cruz was doing too. Cruz did plenty of movies like this. So it's just that they're always attached to well-known properties.

• 1:47:33Bill Simmons?

  I don't think we have there some Ford type of actor anymore.

• 1:47:37Sean Fennessey?

  Like a real, a guy who's like a real person.

• 1:47:39Bill Simmons?

  We have it.

• 1:47:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:40Bill Simmons?

  And even like it was between him and Kama Kastner. We don't have Kama Kastner anymore either. We have, I don't know, we're almost between eras. And the guys that would be that guy would would be people who would never make it like Leo.

• 1:47:53Chris Ryan?

  Pattinson.

• 1:47:54Bill Simmons?

  I just, yeah, I don't think Leo would ever in a million years make Air Force One. Harrison Ford just didn't care. He just went from movie to movie, I think.

• 1:48:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:03Bill Simmons?

  And, you know, I just don't think actors do that as much now. Or if they do it, they have to make these swings. Like, I saw Primetime. It's a really weird movie. You know, and Pattinson would much rather be in that than something like Air Force One.

• 1:48:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think it's about balancing it. Like Pattinson's pretty smart. Like he has the Batman. So he's like, I'm doing Batman movies. That's my one thing. And I'll do one every five years. And then everything else I do can be leveraging that, the same way he did that with Twilight. And that playbook makes sense for him. It's Harrison Ford, you're right, basically every movie he was making, he was trying to make a big hit.

• 1:48:35Chris Ryan?

  Of that, yeah.

• 1:48:36Bill Simmons?

  Clooney could make Air Force Two right now, I think. I don't know if physically he could do it, but

• 1:48:42Sean Fennessey?

  That's kind of interesting.

• 1:48:42Bill Simmons?

  That's the kind of you, it needs to be, you have to have the gravitas of I believe this person could be president, which is a really hard line to cross.

• 1:48:50Sean Fennessey?

  Like Damon, Damon could do it.

• 1:48:51Bill Simmons?

  Damon could do it. But I don't, I just don't think Damon would ever do Air Force Two.

• 1:48:55Sean Fennessey?

  Because it's seen as like a little bit beneath him.

• 1:48:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Especially after the last couple of years he's had, yeah.

• 1:49:01Bill Simmons?

  Damon's still not eating gluten, apparently. That's the word in the street.

• 1:49:05Chris Ryan?

  Because he's getting ready for another

• 1:49:06Bill Simmons?

  Affleck's like getting pissed off about it.

• 1:49:08Sean Fennessey?

  About him not eating gluten?

• 1:49:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:09Chris Ryan?

  Was it because he was a gluten allergy or he's just trying to get in shape for Odyssey?

• 1:49:12Bill Simmons?

  No, because he was trying to lose so much weight for Odyssey. But now it's like, you know, they've stopped filming it a year ago.

• 1:49:19Sean Fennessey?

  He gets addicted to it. Maybe he feels healthier.

• 1:49:21Bill Simmons?

  You know where it's edging toward? It's edging a little toward the think you're better than me, Matt Damon? It's just a whiff.

• 1:49:27Sean Fennessey?

  He drinks gluten free beer now.

• 1:49:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:29Chris Ryan?

  Does he really?

• 1:49:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Sean Fennessey?

  You think, uh, Damon has a chance in Best Actor?

• 1:49:38Bill Simmons?

  I do. Who's in the in the lead?

• 1:49:42Sean Fennessey?

  I'm totally blank. Andrew Scott, Elsinore. Uh, who else is in Best Actor right now?

• 1:49:48Chris Ryan?

  Malkovich.

• 1:49:50Sean Fennessey?

  Not Nathan Fielder. What's that?

• 1:49:51Chris Ryan?

  Malkovich.

• 1:49:52Sean Fennessey?

  Malkovich. Malkovich is the frontrunner. Yeah.

• 1:49:54Bill Simmons?

  I just want

• 1:49:54Chris Ryan?

  Sebastian Stan get nominated?

• 1:49:56Sean Fennessey?

  Probably not.

• 1:49:57Bill Simmons?

  I just want Amanda Seyfried to get nominated. That's the only thing I care about.

• 1:50:01Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's gonna happen.

• 1:50:02Bill Simmons?

  It might happen.

• 1:50:03Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's gonna happen.

• 1:50:04Bill Simmons?

  And then there will be this whole part of the film community that gets pissed off about it. It'll be great. I'll just really enjoy the whole ride.

• 1:50:09Chris Ryan?

  Wait, she can be nominated?

• 1:50:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:11Sean Fennessey?

  She's eligible.

• 1:50:12Chris Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:50:12Bill Simmons?

  She acts in it.

• 1:50:14Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 1:50:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:15Sean Fennessey?

  But are you only getting judged on the scenes where she's acting?

• 1:50:17Bill Simmons?

  No, just performance.

• 1:50:18Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, technically, the recreations are what you're supposed to be judged on.

• 1:50:22Chris Ryan?

  She's pretty amazing in those.

• 1:50:23Sean Fennessey?

  But, and she is, and she's already won an Emmy for doing that character. But I if she's nominated, I think it'll be because she's just like It's 100% for all the scenes outside of the recreation.

• 1:50:34Bill Simmons?

  She has to be nominated. And then I'll really enjoy the fallout of it after.

• 1:50:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's gonna be fun.

• 1:50:39Bill Simmons?

  Seven people that got boned over because she got nominated. Can't wait. It's gonna be an amazing Oscars.

• 1:50:45Sean Fennessey?

  I'm pretty excited.

• 1:50:45Bill Simmons?

  There's, is there any other big Oscar movie that's coming out before December? Which one?

• 1:50:50Sean Fennessey?

  Dune Part Three.

• 1:50:51Bill Simmons?

  Anything else?

• 1:50:53Sean Fennessey?

  Cliff Booth is in a couple of weeks. I don't know if that's gonna be an Oscar movie.

• 1:50:57Chris Ryan?

  You feel like you've seen most of it now? Like most of the big stuff?

• 1:51:01Bill Simmons?

  I looked at the Producers Guild app and none of them were in there yet.

• 1:51:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's not up there yet, yeah. Wild Horse Nine is the one you gotta see.

• 1:51:07Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:51:08Sean Fennessey?

  Really good.

• 1:51:09Bill Simmons?

  There you go.

• 1:51:11Bill Simmons?

  Fantasy, thanks.

• 1:51:12Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks, Bill.

• 1:51:12Bill Simmons?

  Sierra, thanks. Craig, thanks. Gahal, thanks. That was the rewatchables. Next week, I guess we're doing Nine to Five with Amy Poehler. This is apparently happening. Yeah. See you next week.

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