‘GoldenEye’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Half of everything is luck, the other half is The Rewatchables. The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey revisit the first James Bond film with Pierce Brosnan in ‘GoldenEye’ also starting Sean Bean, Izabella Scorupco, and Famke Janssen. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Bill Simmons?

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• 2:14Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find The Big Picture with Sean Fennessy.

• 2:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:21Bill Simmons?

  You can find The Watch.

• 2:22Chris Ryan?

  The Small Picture.

• 2:23Bill Simmons?

  With Chris Ryan. What are you watching these days, CR?

• 2:25Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Industry. We're watching The Pit. We're watching Night of the Seven Kingdoms.

• 2:29Bill Simmons?

  Industry is just a depraved show.

• 2:31Chris Ryan?

  It really is. It's really sexually volatile.

• 2:34Bill Simmons?

  One of the most volatile shows that's ever been created.

• 2:36Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta say Night of the Seven Kingdoms, A+.

• 2:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, man.

• 2:39Sean Fennessey?

  I'm having a great time. I haven't enjoyed a TV show like that in 10 years.

• 2:44Chris Ryan?

  Home run episode last night, if this is going up on Monday.

• 2:48Bill Simmons?

  You know what else is going up on Monday? It's a Golden Eye! Golden Eye is next.

• 3:10Bill Simmons?

  Golden Eye, 99.5 James Bond, Pierce Brosnan. Best Bond movies by era, here's my list. Goldfinger, Spy Who Loved Me, Golden Eye, Casino Royale, Fight Me.

• 3:23Chris Ryan?

  So this is for the actors?

• 3:25Bill Simmons?

  Just those I think are the four generationally the best. That's like the Dr. J, Michael Jordan, Kobe.

• 3:31Chris Ryan?

  Are you a Majesty's Secret Service person?

• 3:32Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think I agree with any of those.

• 3:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's why I said Fight Me.

• 3:36Sean Fennessey?

  That's interesting. Well-

• 3:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, cuz you like Skyfall.

• 3:39Sean Fennessey?

  Skyfall would be my favorite Craig Bond. I think From Russia With Love is my favorite Connery Bond.

• 3:45Chris Ryan?

  That's probably the best Connery. I like You Only Live Twice for the gadgets. Uh, that's the Japan one.

• 3:50Sean Fennessey?

  Right. That one's fun. I have a soft spot for Moonraker.

• 3:53Bill Simmons?

  So, Moonraker, critically reviled, but I loved it too cuz I saw it when I was 10 and I just thought Jaws was the scariest person. And plus, it was like a Star Wars kinda parody, almost.

• 4:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like a Star Wars ripoff and it's really silly, but it's very fun.

• 4:06Chris Ryan?

  I thought Moonraker was gonna be the end of Bond. I mean, obviously, I didn't, like, when I was watching them, I was just like, this has to be where it ends, in space.

• 4:13Bill Simmons?

  So what's your favorite?

• 4:14Chris Ryan?

  Um-

• 4:16Chris Ryan?

  Skyfall is my favorite James Bond movie.

• 4:19Sean Fennessey?

  Casino Royale is darn good and it's interesting that you've got two Martin Campbell movies on your list.

• 4:23Bill Simmons?

  I know, I know. I didn't fully realize that that was the case.

• 4:28Chris Ryan?

  I'm doing it by silliness to seriousness and to me GoldenEye is right where I want it to be. It's not too goofy in camp, but it is not as like trauma bond as some of the late period Craig stuff. And that's why I think it's like one of the more rewatchable and one of the more like entertaining Bonds.

• 4:46Bill Simmons?

  What's your relationship with the Bond series?

• 4:48Sean Fennessey?

  Was not a Bond guy for years and years. Wasn't raised with it. I think we talked about it a little bit when we talked about Casino Royale. I'm not an angle file. I never read the books and I think I real, this is the first Bond movie I ever saw. But I don't know that I like raced out to see the other Brosnan Bonds and it was the Craig movies that really got me into it and then digging back in and exploring. And over the years I've gotten more interested in it, especially doing a lot of conversations about Bond as the Craig era ended. But I think I've really come to appreciate its charms in the last three or four years. It's been helpful, you know, to be talking about it regularly and to learn more. It's great movie history. There's so much interesting stuff that has, you know, happened across 60 years of the franchise that I find fun.

• 5:29Sean Fennessey?

  But I'm not, I'm not like a Bondologist. I don't know everything about it. So it's actually, I'm a little bit on the outside of it.

• 5:36Bill Simmons?

  That's how, that's where I am as well. Cause even growing up, but Roger Moore was probably my peak Bond because we saw those movies in the theater. But they were just, those movies and westerns just seemed like they were on all the time.

• 5:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:49Bill Simmons?

  And that's how I kind of, my experience with them was just jumping into them as a kid during different parts.

• 5:53Chris Ryan?

  The TBS Bond marathon was a staple of my childhood.

• 5:56Bill Simmons?

  But even before that, when it was like the local, what was your local Philly channel that showed movies?

• 6:00Chris Ryan?

  Oh, channel like, I mean 17 did, like, yeah.

• 6:02Bill Simmons?

  We had like Channel 56 and it was just they would have Bond movies on.

• 6:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, I remember, I think one of the reasons why sometimes I can't quite identify specific Bond movies is because my memory of them is being on for nine hours during a day in the summer and coming in and being like, oh, like he's having sex with twins. Oh, like he jumped out of a hot air balloon, like.

• 6:23Sean Fennessey?

  And that normalized that behavior for you going forward.

• 6:26Chris Ryan?

  I guess this is what espionage is, but yeah, like I, I really enjoy these movies. I think that they are, I like appreciate them exactly the right amount. One time I think whether it was. Can't remember when we talked about this, but I was like, starting to get into like, some of the theories around Bond and like, people trying to basically create a text for the entire characters in the films. And I was like, it doesn't really support this. You don't really have to think that hard about it. Like, I think it helps to just have like, a one and done for each movie relationship and not worry about whether or not this is actually, the character's been played by many men who have to become James Bond when they get this job and whatever.

• 7:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but there was a big Connery shadow over this franchise.

• 7:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Bill Simmons?

  The entire time I grew up.

• 7:12Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:13Bill Simmons?

  And it was almost like how people talk about the NBA now, where it's like, it was better in the Jordan era, or like, the Barclay guys on inside. It was always like-

• 7:20Chris Ryan?

  Before Bond was tanking?

• 7:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was like, ah, yeah, great. But it was like, oh yeah, I mean, whatever. It peaked with Connery. I'll never, but Connery is the best Bond ever. And then I remember when he came back as kind of older James Bond, that was a big deal. Roger Moore, it seems like people turned on-

• 7:35Chris Ryan?

  Is that Never Say Never? Which Bond-

• 7:37Bill Simmons?

  It was 1983.

• 7:38Chris Ryan?

  When Connery comes back.

• 7:39Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Connery comes back in 71, after taking On Her Majesty's Secret Service off. And he comes back for-

• 7:46Bill Simmons?

  Lazimby came in on that one. That was tough.

• 7:48Sean Fennessey?

  He comes in for Diamonds or Forever-

• 7:50Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 7:50Sean Fennessey?

  In 71, and then he comes back 12 years later.

• 7:52Bill Simmons?

  That was the one. And it was a big deal that he was back, but um-

• 7:56Sean Fennessey?

  And he's got, in 71, 83, the rug is going so hard. Like, it's the most obvious rug in movie history.

• 8:03Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's funny, all these movies are on Netflix now. You could go back now and watch an A.D. and it just looks like he has the fairway from the fifteenth hole in his head. It's just-

• 8:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's crazy, the 83 one.

• 8:16Bill Simmons?

  It really is.

• 8:17Chris Ryan?

  And it's just like, 23 chicks just being like, "Hey, how's it going?"

• 8:21Bill Simmons?

  He's so slow. Um, do we think, as this, as this franchise evolved, do we think Mission Impossible and Bourne cut the legs out of this franchise? I think that's a fair thing to say.

• 8:34Sean Fennessey?

  I, I do. I do. Pretty, I think when you look specifically at GoldenEye, and you see the kind of stunt work that is being done in GoldenEye, which is excellent- That's they Mission Impossible grabbed the mantle and kind of ran with it. And Mission Impossible one comes out one year later and Tom Cruise has just spent the last thirty years upping the ante every time and it's a little hard. And I think that's one of the reasons why the Craig movies became so much more about the psychology and the kind of the damaged history of England and the Bond character and the way that they're intertwined because they kind of couldn't go too much further. To your point about like Moonraker felt like the end because they had pushed it so far so many times.

• 9:13Chris Ryan?

  It's interesting too, because I think I mentioned this when we did a Bourne movie on rewatchables, but there is this like, uh, it's since been called like Nokia wave or Nokia wave, which is like a kind of techno friendly thriller from this era that the Mission Impossible and Bourne movies really perfect with, you know, like the hard case laptops and like early surveillance and like hackers and stuff like that. And I think there's some fun stuff with that in this movie, but Bond is is Q and Q is this pen will explode. He's not like, I'm hacking. He's not like, we can do. Yeah, it's gadgets and girls and a couple of chases. Yeah, like the way that Ethan Hunt constantly.

• 9:53Sean Fennessey?

  Cards. I mean, we don't know what it's going to be now because they did do this Craig run and now there's going to be a new Bond, obviously, that Denis Villeneuve is making a film of. We don't know who it is.

• 10:02Chris Ryan?

  I think it's Callum Turner.

• 10:03Sean Fennessey?

  Seems like Callum Turner. Um, but like, what are they going to do to reinvent having, this was the fourth reinvention of Bond with Brosnan, the fifth, the fifth reinvention of Bron, uh, Bond. And number seven is going to be really challenging.

• 10:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. What's your relationship with Bond Craig?

• 10:20Speaker 06

  The video game. Nineteen ninety seven, I think I got an N sixty four, which I think is when the Golden Eye game came out.

• 10:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 06

  I knew Pierce Brosnan was Bond and the Mrs. Doubtfire guy.

• 10:32Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 10:32Speaker 06

  And I remember that being kind of weird, but I never saw the actual Brosnan Bond. The first ones I saw were Craig, but the video game was awesome. It had like the coolest music ever, the pause music I remember on Golden Eye double oh seven was like way better than it needed to be.

• 10:48Chris Ryan?

  Great game.

• 10:49Sean Fennessey?

  It's the enduring legacy of the movie, right?

• 10:51Chris Ryan?

  I mean, that's how we ended up doing this for rewatchables. We were talking about the GoldenEye game. This and Perfect Dark, I don't know if it's built on like the same game engine or whatever, but like-

• 11:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's basically like a spiritual sequel.

• 11:01Chris Ryan?

  It's basically a spiritual sequel and this game had-

• 11:04Bill Simmons?

  It came out two years after the movie, by the way.

• 11:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and it had multiplayer. So you could sit there with your friends and get stoned and listen to Wu-Tang Clan, which I did, and play GoldenEye for eight hours.

• 11:17Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna put a nuclear bomb on your lap. Goodbye. Put on Requiem.

• 11:23Chris Ryan?

  This was the best time of my life, honestly.

• 11:26Chris Ryan?

  Happiest I've ever been.

• 11:27Bill Simmons?

  They just created DVDs. This really was unbelievable. You can just do dumb shit and not be judged.

• 11:32Sean Fennessey?

  It was a really fun time. I remember well. I was a teenager when it came out and I was, we were not an N64 household. We had PlayStation and so-

• 11:39Chris Ryan?

  You had GameCube?

• 11:40Sean Fennessey?

  We had to, uh, I was a Sega Genesis kid and then I was a PlayStation kid. And so we went to my friend Dave Brown's house and did the same thing, even though we were only 15.

• 11:50Bill Simmons?

  I never played this game because I thought it glorified guns. That's not true at all.

• 11:57Chris Ryan?

  Did you ever play this game?

• 11:58Bill Simmons?

  I did. I was, I used to play more sports games though.

• 12:01Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 12:01Bill Simmons?

  I was always like Tecmo Bowl and Madden and, and the golf game and hockey. I was always gravitated that way.

• 12:08Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like the reason this game is so important, the number one reason, there are probably a few reasons, is it's the first mainstream non-gamer first-person shooter. Like Doom had existed for years before this, but he played it on a computer. And maybe there had been some console version of it, but I don't think before this. And the Virtual Cop was also-

• 12:28Bill Simmons?

  I researched this. It's, it's credited as being the first good first-person shooter game, but also with the multiplayer thing.

• 12:36Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 12:36Bill Simmons?

  It basically like, this is ground zero for all the games that came after.

• 12:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, there's also like, I remember it, it kinda did have- At that time, it felt very tactile, the globe trotting excitement of Bond because like you would play, there was like Russia level, there was like a submarine level, there was like you play on the Riviera. Like there was, you know, to the extent that my frontal like

• 13:01Bill Simmons?

  The music was good.

• 13:02Chris Ryan?

  I was like, this is really amazing. Yeah.

• 13:04Bill Simmons?

  So they said it sold over eight million copies and it was the third biggest Nintendo 64 game ever. Eight million copies really means like 30 million because think of how many people probably, guys in their twenties living together, or guys in college who probably pulled money together to buy a copy.

• 13:19Chris Ryan?

  Well, if there's any example, sure, we'll hear about it, of a game based on a movie where the game is bigger than the movie.

• 13:27Bill Simmons?

  Or had like a longer legacy. Yeah. Because even now, I was looking up some of like the best video game ever pieces that people write. It's in all of them.

• 13:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:36Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's just like an OG, it has to be put in.

• 13:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's like a turning point in, in, in video games. I mean, my video game experience basically ends in 2005, but this is probably the right dead set in the middle because I think I got an NES in like 1990. And it definitely, every single 15 year old guy friend I had wanted to play this game every day. And I can't remember other than Madden in college, having that experience.

• 14:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, the other thing with this was they finally got Pierce Brosnan as Bond. And I remember that being like the Iranian hostage crisis for him trying to get him out of Remington Steel.

• 14:11Sean Fennessey?

  It started in 86. They tried to get him before Dalton, right?

• 14:15Bill Simmons?

  Yes. Remington Steel hits in 1982. A show that I watched every once in a while because I had a crush on Stephanie Zembush. It was one of the 190 people I had a crush on back in 1982.

• 14:26Sean Fennessey?

  Can you explain what Remington Steel was?

• 14:28Bill Simmons?

  He, it was like a spy show and they kind of worked together. It was a little on the heart versus heart corner or whatever that show was, but um, he was just so clearly like this guy's going to be the next James Bond. He checked every James Bond box and then when James Bond finally became available in 86 and they, he was going to do it. And then they renewed the show and it was like a, an actual like Hollywood story.

• 14:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:52Bill Simmons?

  Like this guy wants to do Bond, he served as Remington Steel stunt. But at that time he did shows for five years and you couldn't get out. And that was it. So he had to pass it up. They ended up going to Timothy Dalton.

• 15:04Chris Ryan?

  And ironically, the reason Dalton's not this Bond and a lot of people have commented on GoldenEye feeling more like a Dalton Bond than what would come from Brosnan after. Is because Dalton was waiting for the script and waiting for the script and then when the script finally came, he's like, oh, I'll do this one. They were like, we can't sign you up for just one. So if you want to do it, it's going to be like another five years or another three movies or whatever it was going to be. And he was just like, I can't.

• 15:29Bill Simmons?

  And Brosnan was available at that point.

• 15:30Chris Ryan?

  And Brosnan was available.

• 15:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, six year hiatus. They had some legal disputes.

• 15:35Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I mean.

• 15:36Bill Simmons?

  The broccoli family versus MGM and they couldn't like soft shit.

• 15:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, MGM. I mean, that's a huge moment in Hollywood history where MGM is basically defrauded by its acquirer. And then it goes into a holding company from a Swiss bank or French bank.

• 15:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 15:49Sean Fennessey?

  And then one of the major movie studios is is in this kind of like limbo ownership period. And of course, James Bond is right at the center of that studio. It's the reason why ultimately Amazon bought MGM in the first place is the ultimate value.

• 16:00Chris Ryan?

  And then bought out the Broccoli's, yeah.

• 16:01Bill Simmons?

  It's an unbelievable time for movies compared to now. I felt like I had so much awareness of this while not because Premier Magazine would be writing about it every month. And it seemed like every company was going bankrupt or trying to or being defrauded or or there or there would be the reverse like Castle Rock coming out of nowhere or Miramax.

• 16:18Chris Ryan?

  I wonder how our relationship to stuff like Warner Brothers, Netflix, Paramount would be if we read one great piece about it a month. Rather than like.

• 16:28Bill Simmons?

  But the everyday.

• 16:28Chris Ryan?

  Maybe words about it every single day.

• 16:29Sean Fennessey?

  Or it was just like there was a book like hit and run.

• 16:31Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 16:32Sean Fennessey?

  You know, where it was just like, here's the total story of this era at this studio. But we don't, it doesn't come like that. We have, we have the town with Matt Bell.

• 16:38Chris Ryan?

  But I know exactly what you mean. I felt like I had like a more.

• 16:41Bill Simmons?

  Like a better grasp.

• 16:42Chris Ryan?

  Fun relationship to this stuff because I was like, cool, great article explaining why this actor can't get out of a contract or something.

• 16:50Bill Simmons?

  Well, remember when when Peter Guber and John Peters took over Sony, which became the book, but when they were covering that in real time. It would just be like every three months, there would be another crazy story about like, these guys are fucking just setting money on fire in a garage and blow torching it.

• 17:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 17:05Bill Simmons?

  And you'd be like, wow, this is insane.

• 17:06Sean Fennessey?

  Kim Masters was reporting on it, right? She was writing those articles, but then pulled it all together.

• 17:09Bill Simmons?

  But there would be Vanity Fair or Premier, but it was sometimes New York Magazine, but it would really be once in a while.

• 17:14Chris Ryan?

  Otherwise it was the trades, right? But people weren't reading the trades online then.

• 17:17Bill Simmons?

  And then you had like even like the small, like we talked on rewatchable before about Carolco. Which was doing all like the Stallone and Schwarzenegger and Van Damme and then all of a sudden they went down.

• 17:27Sean Fennessey?

  I've never been more excited for a movie than James Cameron's Spider-Man funded by Carolco. And it never happened. But I remember reading about that and being like, just put that inside me when I was 13 years old.

• 17:38Chris Ryan?

  They've done a great job of the course of the years with Bond where it's like. Even as maybe the interest in the franchise wanes, which it seems to every four movies or whatever, they're just really good at creating a trade deadline of like,

• 17:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 17:52Chris Ryan?

  Who are we gonna pick up to play Bond? And it turns into something that's bigger than the movies themselves.

• 17:57Bill Simmons?

  Which was why, what did the, what did they go for? What'd the franchise go for? Amazon bought it, right?

• 18:02Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I don't know what the final number was for the buyout. I mean, you know, billions of dollars.

• 18:06Chris Ryan?

  Well, then they had to buy out Brock, the Broccolis, right?

• 18:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 18:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 18:09Chris Ryan?

  Cause it was like-

• 18:10Sean Fennessey?

  They paid eight billion dollars, as I recall, for MGM total, but MGM doesn't own James Bond, obviously.

• 18:15Bill Simmons?

  So they did a separate deal for that?

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  They did a separate deal a year ago for that. Part of that apparently was just because the Broccolis were just sick of dealing with Amazon and didn't like Amazon, but-

• 18:23Chris Ryan?

  And Amazon wants to be able to make Miss Money Penny prestige TV show or whatever.

• 18:27Bill Simmons?

  And Bezos was like at the end of the dinner after they'd ordered the fourth bottle of wine and he got the check for, for MGM and Broccoli. He's like, does that say nine point two billion? Did we do this? And now all of a sudden, all the movies are on Netflix.

• 18:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Bill Simmons?

  It's like, hey, can we, can we offload this anywhere?

• 18:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, that's a complicated aspect of it, but I, they just, they have to get the movie right. They hired Denis Villeneuve. I think he'll get it right. I'm not really worried.

• 18:53Bill Simmons?

  They went over the movie nerds immediately.

• 18:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 18:55Chris Ryan?

  Do we know who's writing it?

• 18:56Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know.

• 18:58Chris Ryan?

  Is Villeneuve the most accomplished director to ever handle a Bond movie?

• 19:01Sean Fennessey?

  Depends on how you define that. Like, Michael Apted made one of the Pierce Brosnan movies and he's a, like an acclaimed filmmaker who's got a lot of ups and downs. But Denis is probably the best big tent film.

• 19:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, it had been rumored for a long time that Nolan would be interested. Tarantino has been interested about doing like a basically very Tarantino-esque re- reimagining of it.

• 19:23Sean Fennessey?

  I think they've approached Spielberg multiple times.

• 19:24Chris Ryan?

  But Nolan's essentially made three Bond movies.

• 19:27Bill Simmons?

  That would have started another world war, I think, if Tarantino had done a Bond movie. I think England would have just tried to invade us.

• 19:32Chris Ryan?

  My favorite two what ifs are Tarantino Star Trek and Tarantino Bond. Like, that's just so fascinating to me.

• 19:38Sean Fennessey?

  Would have been a lot of fun.

• 19:39Bill Simmons?

  Tarantino Bond would have been just on heroin. Yeah, no, I would say he has to be the best director of, he's probably the first time a top five director has done a Bond movie.

• 19:50Sean Fennessey?

  I think so.

• 19:51Bill Simmons?

  Like somebody who's consensus like in the top five now.

• 19:53Speaker 06

  Do you think James Bond is still the coolest role you can book in Hollywood?

• 19:57Chris Ryan?

  It is in England, for what it's worth. I mean, I think for, for a British actor.

• 20:02Speaker 06

  Cause 10 years ago, you could probably say it was a superhero. I don't know if that's the case now. Is it, is it Bond still?

• 20:07Bill Simmons?

  I still think Batman's the coolest role. I think that's, that's like the

• 20:11Sean Fennessey?

  I think I agree.

• 20:11Bill Simmons?

  Super Bowl winning NFL quarterback role.

• 20:12Chris Ryan?

  There's like three or four or five roles where it's like, your fucking life's about to change. Like you think you're famous now.

• 20:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 20:18Chris Ryan?

  You think you've got paparazzi following you now. You think people are speculating. Your life is gonna change. Your Superman.

• 20:23Speaker 06

  Batman, Spider-Man, Bond.

• 20:24Chris Ryan?

  Superman, Batman, Bond, yeah. I wonder who else that like.

• 20:28Sean Fennessey?

  J D Vance.

• 20:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:29Sean Fennessey?

  That's one of them. Um, what's the other?

• 20:32Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Hamnett.

• 20:34Sean Fennessey?

  Hamnett, yup, that's the other one.

• 20:35Chris Ryan?

  The little guy who's just like.

• 20:37Sean Fennessey?

  To Kobe Juke.

• 20:38Chris Ryan?

  Get ready, brothers.

• 20:38Sean Fennessey?

  His life has changed forever.

• 20:39Bill Simmons?

  Have you watched Jessie Buckley sing?

• 20:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's a, there's a movie called Wild Rose.

• 20:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 20:44Sean Fennessey?

  That every human has to watch where Jessie Buckley plays like a, an aspiring country and western singer, um, who is from, she's either Scottish or Irish in the film, I can't remember. And she sings like nine country western songs. Everyone is a fucking heater. It's ama, it's a movie that made me fall in love with her.

• 21:01Bill Simmons?

  I went on a two hour deep dive of just talk show appearances and like, she might be the best. She, she might be the coolest thing in the, in the world.

• 21:10Sean Fennessey?

  She got her start on a singing talent show in the UK.

• 21:12Bill Simmons?

  I mean, she's Irish, so you know she's cool.

• 21:15Chris Ryan?

  Hamnett last night.

• 21:17Sean Fennessey?

  You did?

• 21:17Chris Ryan?

  I liked it.

• 21:18Bill Simmons?

  You're in the mood for a comedy?

• 21:19Chris Ryan?

  I liked it.

• 21:19Sean Fennessey?

  That's great.

• 21:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:20Sean Fennessey?

  Nice. Good for you.

• 21:22Bill Simmons?

  Well, you're a little late on it.

• 21:24Chris Ryan?

  Sorry.

• 21:24Bill Simmons?

  Lot of hype.

• 21:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:26Bill Simmons?

  Lot of hype at this point.

• 21:27Chris Ryan?

  But there was mixed, mixed hype.

• 21:28Sean Fennessey?

  Bill's got a lot of Hammett stock.

• 21:30Chris Ryan?

  He really does. It's one of the.

• 21:32Bill Simmons?

  I thought it was the best female performance of the decade.

• 21:34Chris Ryan?

  Bill Simmons, Hamnett.

• 21:35Bill Simmons?

  Put it against any other performance.

• 21:36Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 21:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, for real.

• 21:38Chris Ryan?

  You're Hamnett and Train Dream stock.

• 21:40Bill Simmons?

  We've had six years.

• 21:40Chris Ryan?

  It's really interesting to me.

• 21:41Bill Simmons?

  Six years of best actress performances. What was better than that?

• 21:44Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Cate Blanchett and Tara's up there for me.

• 21:47Bill Simmons?

  That's pretty good. God damn it. That's a good one.

• 21:49Sean Fennessey?

  She didn't win, but that's up there.

• 21:51Bill Simmons?

  She was unbelievable in that. And she learned how to be a conductor.

• 21:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yes, she did.

• 21:55Bill Simmons?

  That's pretty good.

• 21:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 21:56Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. Hamnett really reached into my soul.

• 21:59Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I, I love to see you emotional.

• 22:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:02Bill Simmons?

  Well, I wasn't expecting it. I think that was the thing. Um, speaking of emotional.

• 22:08Sean Fennessey?

  Fuck. Bonk Jansen.

• 22:10Bill Simmons?

  Broccoli's health was declining.

• 22:13Chris Ryan?

  Albert's, yeah.

• 22:15Bill Simmons?

  And, uh, and he died seven months after this movie. And this was also the first movie that didn't use any story elements from the Ian Fleming books. They were just like, we're gonna audible. But as Chris said earlier, feels kind of the most Bondy. Starts out with the big chase scene in the beginning. We have two hot girls. We have a gadget scene. We have a car chase. We have a crazy tank scene.

• 22:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 22:37Bill Simmons?

  We have a fun ending with like, in like a big apparatus.

• 22:40Sean Fennessey?

  Rush is in the story.

• 22:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's like some sort of confusing Cold War plot. Like, it, it kinda, if you're gonna do a checklist of things that should be in a Bond movie, it might check the most boxes.

• 22:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's a really good point.

• 22:51Bill Simmons?

  Good villain.

• 22:52Chris Ryan?

  Great villain.

• 22:53Bill Simmons?

  I don't really have.

• 22:54Chris Ryan?

  One of my favorite, one of my favorite Bond villains. I wish that they had done more with that character.

• 22:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, so the reboot, this is the first Bond film after Berlin Wall collapses, collapse of the USSR, end of the Cold War. It's the first one that uses CGI. He casts a female M, which was a big deal to people.

• 23:15Sean Fennessey?

  He doesn't see gender.

• 23:16Bill Simmons?

  Well, I was just like, back then, I were like, what? It's gonna be a female? Now it's like, yeah.

• 23:22Sean Fennessey?

  Smart, smart to cast like one of the most venerated actors.

• 23:25Bill Simmons?

  Famous actress, play M. Um, and then, uh, the Bond girls.

• 23:32Bill Simmons?

  Fomka Jansen.

• 23:34Sean Fennessey?

  Easily in the top 10 Bond girls for me. Easily.

• 23:37Chris Ryan?

  Oh, top five for me.

• 23:38Bill Simmons?

  It's funny, there's, it's a question of whether she counts as a Bond girl because she's also a villain.

• 23:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's plenty of those over the years, right?

• 23:45Bill Simmons?

  This is the rare movie that has two Bond girls together, but one's the heroine, the other is actually a villain, but they count as two Bond girls.

• 23:53Chris Ryan?

  Do they, but they do that, I think, throughout the Brosnan movies, don't they? There's like a couple of.

• 23:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's a Dr. Christmas Jones, of course.

• 24:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Dr. Christmas Jones.

• 24:04Sean Fennessey?

  Um, there's Halle Berry. She's also, what is she?

• 24:08Chris Ryan?

  But is there, I, in my mind, I guess you're right. I hadn't thought about it like that, that there's.

• 24:12Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's unusual for the, um, for the villain to outstrip the, the like love partner.

• 24:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the nice blonde girl.

• 24:22Sean Fennessey?

  Sexiness and appeal, you know, like, there's always something a little bit more kind of vindictive and evil.

• 24:27Bill Simmons?

  I, I love Isabella Skorupka in this. Really strange Wikipedia IMDb. This was the peak.

• 24:34Chris Ryan?

  I had that, I, I, I really wanted to talk about her.

• 24:36Bill Simmons?

  Bounced around after, but I think she's throwing 99 in this, and then Fonka's throwing like 107.

• 24:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Fonka's on, on steroids.

• 24:45Bill Simmons?

  I don't know what she's doing in this movie, but I love it. I love every second of it.

• 24:48Sean Fennessey?

  I'll hold my Isabella comments for later in the episode.

• 24:51Bill Simmons?

  So, top blonde girl ever? What do you have? Here's my top three. Barbara Bach, Talisa Soto, I thought was just incredible.

• 25:01Chris Ryan?

  Talisa Soto is incredible.

• 25:02Bill Simmons?

  I just don't understand why she wasn't a massive star. And then Pussy Galore, just for half the name.

• 25:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 25:08Bill Simmons?

  But just everything in that, that scene, that movie is so sexually loaded for this weird era to make that movie. Everything, it's just dripping of innuendo, but I think that's my top three.

• 25:19Sean Fennessey?

  Eva Green is really.

• 25:20Bill Simmons?

  Eva Green's a good one, too.

• 25:21Sean Fennessey?

  In my zone.

• 25:23Chris Ryan?

  I.

• 25:23Bill Simmons?

  That's a good one. All right, I'll make it four.

• 25:25Chris Ryan?

  I think Pussy Galore is probably up there. Who's the one in Man with the Golden Gun?

• 25:30Chris Ryan?

  What's her character's?

• 25:32Bill Simmons?

  I'm blanking. Oh, man, now we're all gonna be Googling stuff. So, Fonka Jansen, Dutch model, six feet tall, was on TV.

• 25:42Chris Ryan?

  Man with the Golden Gun, the character's Mary Goodnight?

• 25:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Britt Eklund.

• 25:46Chris Ryan?

  Britt Eklund, yeah.

• 25:47Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Britt Eklund, yeah.

• 25:48Sean Fennessey?

  Of course.

• 25:50Bill Simmons?

  Does some TV stuff. Really important Melrose Place appearance?

• 25:54Sean Fennessey?

  What happened? What'd she do?

• 25:55Bill Simmons?

  Played a, played a hooker that.

• 25:57Chris Ryan?

  Fonka?

• 25:58Bill Simmons?

  That Dr. Michael Mancini hired. Call girl, lady of the night.

• 26:03Chris Ryan?

  Sex worker, yeah.

• 26:04Bill Simmons?

  That, uh, when Michael Mancini's.

• 26:06Sean Fennessey?

  She played a whore!

• 26:08Bill Simmons?

  Well, she was. Michael Mancini's ex-wife Jane was dating this lawyer who did their divorce.

• 26:15Bill Simmons?

  Michael Mancini gets this lady to sleep with him, videotapes it, sends it to Jane, breaks them up. That was how I met Fomcat Jansen.

• 26:23Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 26:24Bill Simmons?

  Like, who is this? Ends up in Bond, plays Rounders, gets shut down by Mike McDee, the most controversial scene of the 90s. He's like, no, no, I'm good. No, thanks. Uh, she's in the faculty?

• 26:36Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 26:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 26:37Bill Simmons?

  A lot of people are in the faculty.

• 26:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Jon Stewart.

• 26:40Chris Ryan?

  We haven't done a faculty.

• 26:41Bill Simmons?

  It's been knocking on the door.

• 26:42Chris Ryan?

  Hey, man, whatever you want.

• 26:44Bill Simmons?

  Saw it in the theater.

• 26:45Chris Ryan?

  I just watched it recently.

• 26:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it was great.

• 26:47Sean Fennessey?

  It was an event.

• 26:48Bill Simmons?

  Uh, she's in X-Men, Nip Tuck, apparently, and then Taken franchise.

• 26:52Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I think, I think.

• 26:54Bill Simmons?

  Good career.

• 26:54Sean Fennessey?

  I think X-Men is definitely her, I think she's best known for at this point, because she was in Jean Grey in so many of those movies.

• 26:59Chris Ryan?

  Rounders, and maybe in this room going forward, it's Xenia on a top.

• 27:03Sean Fennessey?

  Special, special performance.

• 27:07Bill Simmons?

  On a top.

• 27:11Bill Simmons?

  I don't even understand it.

• 27:12Chris Ryan?

  It's so close to Ivana Hump-a-lot. It's like, it's like so, almost on the verge of being.

• 27:17Bill Simmons?

  Xenia on a top.

• 27:19Sean Fennessey?

  That's another reason why Craig is right. I think that GoldenEye, the game, is the most kind of memorable aspect of this, but so much of Austin Powers.

• 27:28Bill Simmons?

  That, I had that coming later. Yeah, let's do it now.

• 27:30Sean Fennessey?

  Xenia on a top is just.

• 27:32Bill Simmons?

  The gadget scene.

• 27:33Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of vagina. It's like, that is the same character.

• 27:36Bill Simmons?

  No, it's clear they watched this movie 10 times as they were writing the Austin Powers script. There's no question.

• 27:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 27:41Bill Simmons?

  They were trying to pull a whole bunch of things off. Um.

• 27:44Sean Fennessey?

  Austin Powers, still. He, five out of five.

• 27:48Bill Simmons?

  Sean Bean is the bad guy.

• 27:50Chris Ryan?

  And he had auditioned to Play Bond.

• 27:52Bill Simmons?

  006.

• 27:53Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:53Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:54Bill Simmons?

  Turns out, uh, this was his worst plan, other than when he decided to confront Queen Cersei and tell her about, he knew about the incest baby.

• 28:04Sean Fennessey?

  Tough one.

• 28:04Bill Simmons?

  That was probably Sean Bean's dumbest moment.

• 28:06Chris Ryan?

  Probably.

• 28:07Sean Fennessey?

  What are you up to in the Thrones rewatch from the sauna?

• 28:09Bill Simmons?

  Season two now. I still can't believe he's sending it in to Queen Cersei.

• 28:12Chris Ryan?

  As, as Boromir being like, I can hold this ring. I got this.

• 28:15Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 28:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:16Sean Fennessey?

  Been doing a lot of, um, Targaryen, Baratheon history in our household because of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Trying to figure out lineages. Yeah.

• 28:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:25Bill Simmons?

  Complicated.

• 28:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 28:26Bill Simmons?

  Lot of dark hair.

• 28:27Sean Fennessey?

  Gates in there, you know?

• 28:28Bill Simmons?

  Dark hair all the way through in the Baratheons.

• 28:30Chris Ryan?

  Firing your roots.

• 28:31Bill Simmons?

  One moment.

• 28:32Chris Ryan?

  Demon Targaryen.

• 28:34Bill Simmons?

  Uh, I like oh six though, cause there's like a little backstory. It's not just like a typical, I'm an evil villain. I want to take over shit.

• 28:40Sean Fennessey?

  Totally.

• 28:40Bill Simmons?

  It's like, oh, I kinda like get that.

• 28:42Chris Ryan?

  He's a precursor for, um, uh, Bardem in Skyfall, which is like the, we were both spies. They, they, they, they broke me, you know? And, but this guy, I mean, he's got like basically a lifelong vendetta against.

• 28:57Sean Fennessey?

  The whole thing with the lands, Cossacks is just a good idea. It's just, it's really cleverly constructed.

• 29:01Bill Simmons?

  My biggest issue with these movies is when the person feels betrayed by England and wants to like, you know, commit a bunch of bad shit. I'm always like, I kinda see his point. England sucks.

• 29:11Chris Ryan?

  There you go.

• 29:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 29:13Bill Simmons?

  It's like, he's making some.

• 29:14Chris Ryan?

  Anti-colonial film.

• 29:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, we live in America and my family's from Ireland, so England can fuck off.

• 29:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I mean, you know, seventeen seventy-three, they would have blown Boston into the fucking ocean. Now we have fourteen titles this century. Fuckers.

• 29:28Chris Ryan?

  That's right. The only thing stopping.

• 29:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Chris Ryan?

  Tom Brady was fucking King George.

• 29:35Bill Simmons?

  Uh, directed by Martin Campbell, first non-Brit to direct a Bond movie. And there's like seventeen hundred writers and re-writers for this. They just kept tinkering and tinkering.

• 29:45Chris Ryan?

  The accumulation.

• 29:46Bill Simmons?

  Lies was a little close to the original story. They had to fix it.

• 29:49Chris Ryan?

  Stuff with the true lies script, this script and the Mission Impossible movie of like, kind of what came first, what was sort of written down first, who had certain ideas first. But yeah, this was the accumulation of a bunch of drafts that they had done for the next Bond movie, some of which, like there was one with the American mafia. There's one with like, it's, it's all interesting to go back and look.

• 30:11Sean Fennessey?

  And the movies are still done this way. You know, these huge movies that have, you know, two credited writers, but they're not the original writers. So there's a story by credit. And then you have five other people who took a whack at stuff to add to it.

• 30:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Usually that happens over two years.

• 30:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 30:24Bill Simmons?

  Six with like the Cold War happening and then two competing projects that were on the corner.

• 30:29Sean Fennessey?

  I got confused watching the, re-watching the movie today or yesterday because I thought when it starts and it's the USSR, I was like, so is this like a period piece? Like I had forgotten that they zoom ahead to the future because it's like almost exactly that period of time that goes by between movies.

• 30:45Bill Simmons?

  Um, sixty million dollar budget made three hundred and fifty six point four million. It's the fourth biggest nineteen ninety five movie, which was not a small movie year.

• 30:54Chris Ryan?

  It was just the biggest Bond.

• 30:56Bill Simmons?

  Biggest Bond since Moonraker.

• 30:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:58Bill Simmons?

  Moonraker crushed. People were like outer space bonds.

• 31:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 31:02Bill Simmons?

  Jaws.

• 31:02Chris Ryan?

  Gotta go.

• 31:03Bill Simmons?

  Going.

• 31:04Chris Ryan?

  Going twice.

• 31:05Bill Simmons?

  Hundred and thirty minutes. So on the Craig Century Club, this is a plus thirty.

• 31:12Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, they could have lost ten, twelve minutes. I think you can say that about every single Bond movie. I think every single Bond movie is just a little too long for me.

• 31:21Bill Simmons?

  From about minute thirty five to minute seventy, I could have done twenty, twenty minutes.

• 31:29Chris Ryan?

  You get to Cuba and you're like, man, we still got forty minutes. Yeah, there it's, it's a weirdly structured movie. The actual mission of the movie does not get introduced until forty five minutes in, which is quite. It's atypical for Bond.

• 31:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we could have zoomed in a little bit. Uh, our guy Roger Ebert, three stars.

• 31:47Bill Simmons?

  The first Bond film that is self-aware.

• 31:49Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 31:50Bill Simmons?

  That has lost its innocence and the simplicity of its worldview.

• 31:55Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, this is Zennia, man, you know?

• 31:57Chris Ryan?

  Roger wanted to get squeezed out.

• 31:58Sean Fennessey?

  This is, yeah, on the top of Raj, right?

• 32:01Bill Simmons?

  It has some understanding of the absurdity and sadness of its hero.

• 32:05Chris Ryan?

  On the top of Raj.

• 32:08Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 32:08Chris Ryan?

  You're going to hell for that.

• 32:11Sean Fennessey?

  Just picture that, you know? Put him in one of those general outfits.

• 32:15Bill Simmons?

  He didn't, he actually, their review wasn't as horny as I thought it was gonna be about the Bond girls.

• 32:20Sean Fennessey?

  But you know, I mean, you know.

• 32:22Bill Simmons?

  He said, uh, all the later Bonds suffer from the reality that no one else will ever really replace Sean Connery. I had a good enough time, I guess, although I never really got involved. I was shaken but not stirred.

• 32:34Sean Fennessey?

  Banger.

• 32:34Bill Simmons?

  Fucking Raj.

• 32:36Chris Ryan?

  We still wrote like that.

• 32:37Bill Simmons?

  So glad, so glad we get to keep him alive on the pod every week. Fucking bangers.

• 32:41Sean Fennessey?

  Just an honor.

• 32:42Bill Simmons?

  I was shaking but not stirred. He's like.

• 32:44Sean Fennessey?

  Bangs.

• 32:45Bill Simmons?

  Sense it. He's like, yes, yes.

• 32:47Sean Fennessey?

  No edits.

• 32:47Chris Ryan?

  I'll have a Schlitz.

• 32:50Bill Simmons?

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• 34:14Bill Simmons?

  Most rewatchable scene, the opening scene's fucking awesome.

• 34:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yep. We gotta put some context around bungee jumping. 1996, that's...

• 34:23Bill Simmons?

  1985. I don't know if I'd ever, I don't know if I'd ever seen a bungee jump before.

• 34:28Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like it's about to be apex mountain for bungee jumping, though, right? Like, they were starting to introduce it in theme parks where you could do like mini versions of it at Action Park. And then it became, in the 90s, you would start to see people being like, "I'm going to the craziest bridge in the world."

• 34:43Bill Simmons?

  I feel like MTV started showing like hardcore action stuff.

• 34:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, there's also like, I feel like it's a trope in action movies of this time period for the main character to really, A, enjoy it, and B, the Bodhi move of like, "You think we're just having a regular conversation and then I just leap off the building?" And it's like, "Oh, no!" And it's like, he's bungee jumping.

• 35:03Sean Fennessey?

  Also, like, right at the advent of the X-Games and skating and that whole world.

• 35:08Chris Ryan?

  Extreme sports, yeah.

• 35:09Bill Simmons?

  So we have just an awesome bungee jump that's filmed really well with some wall. You're like, "Where the fuck is this?" He lands, he upside down punches a guy taking a shit.

• 35:20Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good.

• 35:22Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good move.

• 35:23Bill Simmons?

  I was probably wait for the flush before I attacked the guy.

• 35:26Sean Fennessey?

  Immediately though, he's like, sorry, forgot to knock, you know, immediately with a bond line.

• 35:31Bill Simmons?

  Gets away from somewhere between thirty and a hundred Russians on a small space. And then does an outrageous motorcycle plane jump. Um, all in about eight minutes.

• 35:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:45Bill Simmons?

  I have some thoughts on that. We can do the pick and knits now of the freestyle jump into the plane, catching it, being able to get in and then turning the plane up.

• 35:52Chris Ryan?

  My favorite part of this whole sequence is it seems like Trevathan was able to get to the same point without having to bungee jump and dive into a toilet bowl full of crap.

• 36:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, I was thinking about making my flex category the, uh, Dan Campbell scale for holy shit, are they really going for this right now, which is him like jumping off the ledge and catching the plane, you know?

• 36:14Chris Ryan?

  The exact same thing.

• 36:15Bill Simmons?

  Motorcycle jumping.

• 36:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, what was the idea here?

• 36:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, fourteen nineteen, they're going for it?

• 36:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, there's a few of these in this movie where even by bond standards, I'm like, for real, dude?

• 36:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right. But clearly Tom Cruise saw this and was like, I'll base the next thirty years of my life on this.

• 36:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 06

  Don't you kind of think, just from a stunt perspective, I know he didn't actually do that, obviously, but from the character doing a stunt in a movie, that is a crazier stunt than anything Ethan Hunt has ever done.

• 36:43Sean Fennessey?

  I think so.

• 36:43Chris Ryan?

  I think it's cooler than hanging on the plane, you know, hanging on a biplane for twenty minutes.

• 36:49Speaker 06

  It's remarkable, eight Mission Impossibles, and I don't think there's a stunt cooler than that.

• 36:53Sean Fennessey?

  Cause it, it, it, there's no reality to it. There's like, it is, it will break your brain trying to imagine.

• 36:57Chris Ryan?

  But it doesn't look that fake?

• 36:59Speaker 06

  No, it's pretty good.

• 37:00Bill Simmons?

  I believe they watched it. Uh, bungee jump was seven hundred and twenty-two feet, which was a record when they did it. Nobody had ever done that before. Was filmed in the Kontra Dam in, uh, Switzerland. And then that second stunt was awesome, too. Then he's like, trying to get the joystick.

• 37:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:18Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I got it. I'm out. Really good. Uh, second scene, the car chase. We have an Aston Martin DBS against a Ferrari F355. Old versus new. Like a little LeBron versus Victor Wembanyama at the All-Star game.

• 37:32Chris Ryan?

  Any thoughts on which, which one of those would you rather drive?

• 37:34Bill Simmons?

  The Ferrari's toasting the Aston Martin.

• 37:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:37Bill Simmons?

  Cause it's an older car.

• 37:38Chris Ryan?

  It's a race car.

• 37:38Bill Simmons?

  No chance.

• 37:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:39Bill Simmons?

  Um, he's also, is he on a date? Like, what's going on?

• 37:43Chris Ryan?

  No, that's like, I think that's his therapist or something.

• 37:45Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's, no, it's, it's Money Penny.

• 37:47Chris Ryan?

  No, it's not.

• 37:48Sean Fennessey?

  Isn't it?

• 37:49Chris Ryan?

  No, it's a different woman.

• 37:50Bill Simmons?

  No, it's, it's not Money Penny.

• 37:51Speaker 06

  She's like HR or something.

• 37:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's not Money Penny?

• 37:53Chris Ryan?

  No, it's like, I, I looked it up. It's like, it's like the woman who's supposed to like, clear him psychologically to work.

• 37:58Sean Fennessey?

  So they only have one Money Penny scene in the whole, that's so confusing.

• 38:01Bill Simmons?

  It's a therapist. He ends up having sex with her on a cliff. So I don't know how the session went. I don't know if that's, you have to pay extra.

• 38:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's not his therapist.

• 38:09Bill Simmons?

  I think it's like his work assigned therapist or something.

• 38:12Chris Ryan?

  It, it is.

• 38:13Speaker 06

  She's sent to do like a wellness check on him or like a mental background check.

• 38:17Sean Fennessey?

  To make sure you weren't breaking the rules kind of thing.

• 38:19Bill Simmons?

  James, you're incorrigible.

• 38:23Bill Simmons?

  Who would have loved him?

• 38:23Chris Ryan?

  Serena Gordon is Caroline, an MI6 psychological and psychiatric evaluator whom Bond seduces at the beginning of the film.

• 38:30Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 38:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 38:30Sean Fennessey?

  Great.

• 38:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 38:32Chris Ryan?

  Probably an HR violation.

• 38:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Bond was an HR problem.

• 38:37Chris Ryan?

  Bond was a problem.

• 38:40Bill Simmons?

  Like, HR's like, is it another Bond thing? Fuck.

• 38:43Sean Fennessey?

  We can't insure him.

• 38:44Bill Simmons?

  I knew we shouldn't have hired that assistant. Um, there's a baccarat scene.

• 38:50Chris Ryan?

  And we've talked about this, but have you, are you a baccarat guy? Have you ever played?

• 38:53Bill Simmons?

  We do this every time.

• 38:54Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not.

• 38:55Bill Simmons?

  It's the one card game. I have no idea what's going on.

• 38:57Sean Fennessey?

  No clue.

• 38:57Bill Simmons?

  It seems great. It seems super simple.

• 38:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 39:00Chris Ryan?

  It's, is it blackjack and poker, but also it has a shoe?

• 39:03Bill Simmons?

  Something fantasy's gonna take on when he turns 50. He's like, I've just become a big baccarat guy.

• 39:07Chris Ryan?

  A ma- a major Pai-Gow guy.

• 39:09Sean Fennessey?

  I've got a wealth goal and when I cross the wealth goal, I'll start playing baccarat. That's my, that's my life plan. Yeah.

• 39:15Bill Simmons?

  Is it Pai-Gow then baccarat or is it, or is it reverse?

• 39:18Chris Ryan?

  Pai-Gow's supposed to be like the thing you can play all night, right?

• 39:20Sean Fennessey?

  Pai-Gow's great because it's just a hangout and drink game. It's a game you can just put a hundred dollars on the table and play as long as you don't get killed by a dealer. Um, I think baccarat's kind of the opposite, right? It's like, sit down with 50K. Um, otherwise.

• 39:33Bill Simmons?

  Baccarat's like you're sitting down with two of Jerry Buss's sons and, and Toby McGuire.

• 39:39Sean Fennessey?

  I've never played backgammon.

• 39:40Bill Simmons?

  Three million dollars per hand.

• 39:41Chris Ryan?

  It is really funny watching them play too because I'm like, are you trying to get 21? But you're drawing another card and it's like, are you trying to get three of a kind? Like, I can't tell what's going on.

• 39:50Bill Simmons?

  He loses the first hand and wins the second one. And I have no idea what happened either.

• 39:53Chris Ryan?

  He hustles her a little bit.

• 39:53Bill Simmons?

  Like, why did that hit?

• 39:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they're like five and six. And you're like, oh, well, six is higher than five. So that's obviously, he's the winner. Uh, have you ever aggressively gambled against a woman?

• 40:06Bill Simmons?

  So that would just be poker?

• 40:07Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you know, any card game like this.

• 40:09Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 40:10Sean Fennessey?

  You?

• 40:11Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 40:14Chris Ryan?

  I really only gamble with Zach playing blackjack and get nuked playing, yeah.

• 40:18Bill Simmons?

  How about, like, with a, it was a very, very attractive woman throwing 107 miles an hour who has a long cigarette holder thing? What are those called, Sierra?

• 40:27Chris Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 40:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I haven't done that.

• 40:30Chris Ryan?

  I don't, I think it's cigarette holder.

• 40:31Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 40:31Sean Fennessey?

  When I was in New York, I played in a card game that was a bunch of friends who worked at magazines. And there was one woman who played in the game who worked at one of the magazines, but she was also a rising poker semi-pro. And she was very visible on the World Series of Poker a few years in a row. And she was a young, attractive woman. And, you know, I would sit in like a guy's apartment with two poker tables set up and it was like 13 guys and this woman. And she just annihilated every guy. Now, she was a better poker player, but it was the classic thing of just like, she just lulled you to sleep by gentle flirting with you anytime you were in a hand together. And you were like, absolutely, yeah, for sure.

• 41:10Chris Ryan?

  You know my first name? Yeah.

• 41:12Bill Simmons?

  It's like, where, where in Long Island are you from?

• 41:14Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it worked. It really worked.

• 41:16Chris Ryan?

  You ever played Goldeneye?

• 41:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 41:17Chris Ryan?

  I love that game.

• 41:19Bill Simmons?

  I hope the third is your veal talent. She says that to James at one point.

• 41:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 41:25Sean Fennessey?

  Veal.

• 41:26Bill Simmons?

  Veal talent.

• 41:27Sean Fennessey?

  So she's Dutch?

• 41:29Chris Ryan?

  She's George.

• 41:30Sean Fennessey?

  And she's doing Georgian.

• 41:31Chris Ryan?

  And she's doing Georgian, yeah. Georgian separatist, I guess.

• 41:35Bill Simmons?

  Do we want to do this now?

• 41:37Sean Fennessey?

  Accent corner?

• 41:39Bill Simmons?

  I had the Kevin Costner award for worst accent. The nominees are Fomkin Jansen trying to pretend she's Russian when she's Dutch. Alan Cumming as Boris.

• 41:50Chris Ryan?

  No, I think he's

• 41:51Bill Simmons?

  He's got like an English accent.

• 41:52Sean Fennessey?

  It's terrible, but I love it.

• 41:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he's, he's going for it.

• 41:56Bill Simmons?

  So what would you pick?

• 41:57Sean Fennessey?

  I'm invincible.

• 41:59Chris Ryan?

  I think NeNe Driver's Russian is pretty bad from this.

• 42:02Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 42:03Chris Ryan?

  From this stage.

• 42:03Bill Simmons?

  Give it with her too. So right after they finish Baccarat,

• 42:10Bill Simmons?

  James hits the same game parlay of Shaken Not Stirred, Bond, James Bond. He just fucking bangs both of them out. Plus 260 on Fanduel. He's just like, fuck it, I'm banging this.

• 42:20Sean Fennessey?

  And he's just like, I fucking Zenia on the top. And he's like, I'm doing the classic shit to you right now.

• 42:24Bill Simmons?

  I'm just playing all the hits. Great scene.

• 42:26Sean Fennessey?

  So good.

• 42:28Bill Simmons?

  This is a small scene for rewatchable, but I really love when James is flirting with Money Penny. And she's, she's here for it and it ends with, what's the penalty? And he goes, and she goes, someday you'll have to make good on your innuendos. And then they go into the office. I'm like, 1995 rules. It's amazing.

• 42:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 42:51Bill Simmons?

  Money Penny looks great in this movie.

• 42:53Chris Ryan?

  I'm trying to imagine like what your version of this would be. I'd be like, where do you have me on your trade value list?

• 43:00Chris Ryan?

  Is it higher or lower than Sean Kemp?

• 43:04Bill Simmons?

  What, what was Money Penny's job?

• 43:06Chris Ryan?

  She was like the administrative, she ran the office.

• 43:10Sean Fennessey?

  She sure did.

• 43:11Bill Simmons?

  This is such a funny.

• 43:12Chris Ryan?

  She's the secretary, but like, yeah.

• 43:13Bill Simmons?

  Funny time for movies because disclosure comes out the same year. And it's like, everybody is aware.

• 43:19Chris Ryan?

  That this shouldn't be happening.

• 43:20Bill Simmons?

  Sexual harassment and maybe things in the workplace should change. But then the movies are like, let's be a little dangerous with it too. And now when you watch it 30 years later, it's hilarious. Like that, he would never, he'd be afraid to be in an elevator with her.

• 43:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Bill Simmons?

  For two seconds.

• 43:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. He doesn't, doesn't really seek consent. James Bond, it's not one of his things.

• 43:39Bill Simmons?

  I want to watch season three of Tell Me Lies with James Bond and Money Penny. They're like, oh my God. Natalia almost gets blown up seven times at that as a rewatchable.

• 43:50Chris Ryan?

  When Goldeneye keeps going.

• 43:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, keeps getting out of.

• 43:53Sean Fennessey?

  How does she, she's like so.

• 43:54Bill Simmons?

  Really good slow motion jump under the desk.

• 43:56Sean Fennessey?

  So the idea there is get under the staircase. So even if the entire building collapses, you'll still survive because you were under a staircase.

• 44:04Bill Simmons?

  I had some questions.

• 44:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:05Sean Fennessey?

  Curious.

• 44:06Chris Ryan?

  Then she gets out of a Siberian location just by.

• 44:09Sean Fennessey?

  Walking?

• 44:10Chris Ryan?

  No, like sled dogs.

• 44:11Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:12Chris Ryan?

  But gets to St. Petersburg where she can go to an internet cafe.

• 44:15Bill Simmons?

  Next scene, steam room sex fight.

• 44:17Chris Ryan?

  Yep. Shout out to Eastern Promises.

• 44:20Bill Simmons?

  Interesting porn search for any of the young kids out there.

• 44:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's sort of what it's like when you're watching Game of Thrones, right?

• 44:32Bill Simmons?

  Great. She tries her leg crush move. Good, good wrestling finisher.

• 44:37Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 44:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I'm surprised the Vince McMahon diva's era, they didn't have somebody trying to do the Xenia on a top move.

• 44:43Chris Ryan?

  The legs of the Janus group. Xenia on a top.

• 44:48Bill Simmons?

  Sean Bean villain reveal. Some good Sean Bean.

• 44:52Sean Fennessey?

  Enjoy that scene.

• 44:53Chris Ryan?

  That's a good scene.

• 44:54Bill Simmons?

  He's 06.

• 44:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Bill Simmons?

  Trust an ancient concept.

• 44:57Sean Fennessey?

  You, it's actually reasonable to expect that he would want to do the Bond villain thing where he explains the whole plot. Because it's more interesting to reveal to Bond that their connection.

• 45:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 45:07Sean Fennessey?

  Is, is bigger. It's more complicated. They have history instead of just, I'm an evil villain and I'm after world domination, which gets a little boring in some of the Bond movies.

• 45:15Chris Ryan?

  He says Bond's parents died in a mountain climbing accident.

• 45:18Sean Fennessey?

  He does. Good lore there.

• 45:22Bill Simmons?

  Tough one.

• 45:23Chris Ryan?

  Does that get revised in Skyfall or is that like?

• 45:25Sean Fennessey?

  I don't believe so.

• 45:26Chris Ryan?

  Okay. He said an orphanage in Skyfall, but is it, it's like an orphanage that breeds special agents?

• 45:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but it's only for kids whose parents have died in climbing accidents. It's the climbing orphanage.

• 45:38Bill Simmons?

  Do you think it was like an avalanche or one of them slipped and the other tried to save them and they both died?

• 45:43Sean Fennessey?

  So funny about that.

• 45:45Bill Simmons?

  Just called plane crash.

• 45:46Sean Fennessey?

  I re, I rewatched the next two Martin Campbell movies because Martin Campbell fucking rocks and we can talk about him. But the next one is Mask of Zorro and then the one after that is Vertical Limit.

• 45:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:54Sean Fennessey?

  Which opens, the first scene in Vertical Limit is a father of two, of his, of a daughter and a son. Dying in a climbing accident.

• 46:03Chris Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 46:03Sean Fennessey?

  So it's like, was he trying to call back to GoldenEye?

• 46:05Chris Ryan?

  If Vertical Limit had been more like Hamnet, where it's like at the very end, when it's like, I'm hanging on, somebody take care of our son, Jimmy. And then like.

• 46:22Bill Simmons?

  Next scene is my most rewatchable, the tank chase. Complete with a Perrier crash.

• 46:27Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 46:28Bill Simmons?

  This scene is just fucking awesome.

• 46:30Sean Fennessey?

  It is the most.

• 46:30Bill Simmons?

  I just can't believe how awesome it is.

• 46:32Chris Ryan?

  Another Dan Campbell, like when he sees the tank, you're like, he's getting in that tank.

• 46:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's a great 90s device of you just see the tanker or like earlier when they're on the car chase and you see the bicyclers going uphill. I'm like, okay, like they did a good job of planting seeds.

• 46:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the, my favorite shot in that whole sequence is when, uh, you know, Bond's got his head out of the tank and he's about to crash into the building and he's like, whoop. And he pops down and somehow nothing falls on him.

• 46:57Bill Simmons?

  So I did some research on this. It's very hard for tanks to just move at a speed like this right away. It takes like a mile for them to.

• 47:06Sean Fennessey?

  You call Hagseth.

• 47:06Bill Simmons?

  Whatever. I think the turns are tough. Yeah, Hagseth was telling me about it. Hard to do the 90 degree turns.

• 47:14Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, another tank call. Sure, Bill.

• 47:16Bill Simmons?

  I like that they have these cuts to Bond. It's just so unrealistic. He's driving. We don't know how he's driving the tank. Is there a gas pedal?

• 47:23Chris Ryan?

  Tanks usually take more than one person to drive. Yeah.

• 47:26Bill Simmons?

  He's just doing this around the gun part. Just running through the city, taking out buildings.

• 47:31Sean Fennessey?

  He's kind of driving it like a boat.

• 47:33Chris Ryan?

  He also, it's just awesome when he has complete operational knowledge of any other country's.

• 47:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:38Chris Ryan?

  Technologies.

• 47:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like what?

• 47:39Chris Ryan?

  Russia. It's just exactly like the way we do it.

• 47:41Bill Simmons?

  What part of, of secret agent class was that when they're like, hey, there might be a time when you have to drive a Russian tank?

• 47:47Sean Fennessey?

  It's tank week. Yeah.

• 47:50Bill Simmons?

  Xenia Aron Top dies.

• 47:52Chris Ryan?

  This is a great death.

• 47:53Sean Fennessey?

  So funny.

• 47:54Bill Simmons?

  This time, Mr. Bond, the pleasure will be all mine. It's not. And then he gets off the Bond joke, though she always did enjoy a good squeeze. That's, that was the Austin Powers DNA.

• 48:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 48:07Bill Simmons?

  Because he has a couple of those groaners in this and Austin Powers, Mike Myers must have been like, we gotta squeeze those in.

• 48:11Sean Fennessey?

  With the cutaway to her, like, her whole body strapped to that V-shaped tree, which is such a funny image. It's really, it's the, probably the goofiest moment in the movie.

• 48:21Bill Simmons?

  The pen scene, Alan Cumming flipping the pen, blows up. And then, uh, Bond versus Bean at the end, good ladder fight, Cumming gets frozen to death. I, I wrote that and it looks like they're fighting in a Fortnite set.

• 48:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:37Bill Simmons?

  He's going in these secret doors. He's going, you play Fortnite?

• 48:39Chris Ryan?

  I'm sure, I'm sure Fortnite was inspired by stuff like this.

• 48:42Bill Simmons?

  Some people are gonna get this, but yeah, he's hanging at one point.

• 48:46Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 48:46Bill Simmons?

  He's going around, it's deathifying, you could jump, you don't want to fall to your death.

• 48:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Are you Fortnite influencing right now?

• 48:53Bill Simmons?

  I, I was a little bit. I like to stay in touch with the kids.

• 48:55Chris Ryan?

  Talking about it like it's a Velvet Underground bootleg. He's like, some people may not get this, but Fortnite's a game, yeah.

• 49:02Bill Simmons?

  So we are off tank for rewatchable or would you go Bunch of Jump?

• 49:05Sean Fennessey?

  I would, I would go tank just because it's the most like, holy shit, how did they even do this scene? I do want to add a quick note for a small scene that I really like, which is when Bond meets Jack Wade, Joe Don Baker, the CIA agent, and their chemistry and driving the tiny car together. I like that scene a lot, too.

• 49:21Bill Simmons?

  What'd you have for most rewatchable?

• 49:23Chris Ryan?

  Opening 12 minutes, I think are pretty elite. Everything leading up to the Bond song is, is as entertaining as it gets.

• 49:29Bill Simmons?

  It's a golden eye.

• 49:34Chris Ryan?

  Really disrespecting Tina Turner.

• 49:35Sean Fennessey?

  Poor Tina, R.I.P.

• 49:36Bill Simmons?

  Written by Edge and Bono.

• 49:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 49:39Bill Simmons?

  Living next door to Tina Turner in France, went over and they just concocted this song and they're like, you have it. That should have been her first sign.

• 49:46Sean Fennessey?

  And you can tell.

• 49:47Bill Simmons?

  They're like, we don't want this.

• 49:48Sean Fennessey?

  She is just singing in Bono's register and that's why the song doesn't, doesn't work because they don't, they're not the same singer.

• 49:54Chris Ryan?

  There's really not a melody to the song either.

• 49:56Bill Simmons?

  We had such good music. 1994, 1995 were probably the peak of modern music.

• 50:01Chris Ryan?

  People involved in this song make great music. Nellie Hooper produced it.

• 50:05Bill Simmons?

  I don't understand how they missed on this.

• 50:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's just, it's the wrong vocalist with the way that the song is written.

• 50:11Bill Simmons?

  What's the most 1995 thing about this movie? I have four nominees, but what do you have?

• 50:15Chris Ryan?

  I had Fall of the Soviet Union into the rise of a corrupt Russia or needing an internet cafe.

• 50:22Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 50:22Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I had the same thing and I also just those PCs, just like looking at those computers.

• 50:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I had the computer hacking and the computers. I had harmless sexual tension at work, felt very 1995. Tina Turner doing a theme song written by Bono and The Edge?

• 50:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:39Bill Simmons?

  Has to be in the nineties somewhere.

• 50:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Bill Simmons?

  Um, but my number one is the BMW Z3. Cause that, that's a huge part of this movie. They basically held the car for six months to debut it in GoldenEye.

• 50:51Chris Ryan?

  It's the first German car, the first not, not English car in the, in the series, right?

• 50:56Bill Simmons?

  You want my take on this now?

• 50:57Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 50:59Bill Simmons?

  Never liked them.

• 51:00Sean Fennessey?

  The Z3?

• 51:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 51:02Chris Ryan?

  You drove a Z?

• 51:03Bill Simmons?

  Just, I always thought they were corny. I, I just thought they were trying too hard to be like Alfa Romeo. It's like, stick to your guns BMW, make the best cars.

• 51:10Chris Ryan?

  God, I wonder if you would have an amazing car pod.

• 51:13Bill Simmons?

  You think I should?

• 51:14Chris Ryan?

  And just have a, just take a spin with Bill Simmons and it's just you being like, let's talk about, let's talk about Aston Martins, yeah, Ralph Romeo.

• 51:21Sean Fennessey?

  It's called lane zagging and it's just, you know, unexpected car takes.

• 51:25Bill Simmons?

  Not a cool car. It's the kind of car like an English secret agent.

• 51:28Chris Ryan?

  Driving in the car with Khan, you know?

• 51:34Chris Ryan?

  It's just you driving Khan.

• 51:36Bill Simmons?

  I wouldn't feel comfortable driving Khan around in the BMW Z3.

• 51:39Sean Fennessey?

  You think Khan Canipal has a chance at Bond in the future?

• 51:42Chris Ryan?

  It's very possible. Did you catch this whole?

• 51:44Sean Fennessey?

  I'm well aware, yeah. Well, I, I heard it slip on a previous pod and I was like, what happened there?

• 51:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:50Bill Simmons?

  He was a guest on a podcast, I gave him a ride.

• 51:52Chris Ryan?

  But you don't drive us anywhere.

• 51:54Bill Simmons?

  You never have.

• 51:55Sean Fennessey?

  You did used to. You'd, I feel like.

• 51:57Bill Simmons?

  If you showed up in an Uber, I would have been like, I'll give you a ride back.

• 51:59Sean Fennessey?

  In the like 13 through 17 days, I feel like frequently you were like, come on, I'll drive you. And now you're like, eh, I'm good.

• 52:06Bill Simmons?

  You show up in a car, like, how am I gonna drive you when you have a car?

• 52:09Sean Fennessey?

  Back then too. You were, you were really, you were really into driving us around. I remember this well.

• 52:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, okay.

• 52:15Bill Simmons?

  Uh, the BMW Z3 is my answer.

• 52:17Sean Fennessey?

  Is Khan the new CR?

• 52:20Chris Ryan?

  Can Khan do impressions like?

• 52:22Bill Simmons?

  Double K.

• 52:24Bill Simmons?

  What's aged the best? Killing someone with your legs during sex as a female villain move. Still spectacular 31 years later.

• 52:31Sean Fennessey?

  It's really good.

• 52:32Bill Simmons?

  I don't know who thought of it. Give them an honorary Oscar.

• 52:35Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think about the fact that she's so, that she gets off from that?

• 52:39Chris Ryan?

  I was gonna say, one of the thing that aged the best is that Famka Jansen's major acting note in this is, I'm just gonna come every five minutes, no matter what. I'm like playing cards.

• 52:50Sean Fennessey?

  Fully clothed whilst dressed.

• 52:52Chris Ryan?

  She kinda has an orgasm when she gets her back broken against the trees. She's like, oh, yes, the final one.

• 53:02Bill Simmons?

  Multi-orgasmic Bond villain. Russian villains aged the best. I have 1990's Joe Don Baker. Just coming in hot in different movies at a great stage in his career.

• 53:14Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, this is just crazy, though. Joe Don Baker was the villain in the previous Bond movie.

• 53:19Bill Simmons?

  I know.

• 53:19Sean Fennessey?

  And then he's the CIA guy in this movie.

• 53:22Chris Ryan?

  They do this sometimes. I feel like they have like, oh, let's just bring him back.

• 53:25Sean Fennessey?

  I don't have a problem with it. I love Joe Don Baker, but...

• 53:27Chris Ryan?

  The reason it's not Felix is because Felix loses a leg in the previous, is it in License to Kill?

• 53:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 53:34Chris Ryan?

  The last Dalton movie?

• 53:35Sean Fennessey?

  Or is it Living Daylights?

• 53:37Bill Simmons?

  No, that's why. He got a leg severed, you're right.

• 53:40Chris Ryan?

  But then he comes back.

• 53:41Bill Simmons?

  We mentioned the Austin Powers thing. And then for What's Aged the Best, the integrated sponsors were BMW, which we mentioned, but then IBM ThinkPad, which launched in 92. This was the 95 model. This was the first computer I ever had, and I've had ThinkPads ever since.

• 53:59Bill Simmons?

  But they, this movie does integrations. Perrier, BMW, but they, they're actually like organic. They're not, you don't feel like they're ramming them down your throat. They actually like factor in the plots, which I appreciated. What, oh, I had Mini Driver just being in this movie randomly. And then the poster's really good, if you want to check it. It's just a good Bond poster. Would you have anything?

• 54:20Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Pierce Brosnan. I think like, he was well received, not like overwhelmingly received, but this, obviously this movie's a big hit. I don't think that the next three movies are all that good, but I do think he's a very good Bond, because he kinda splits the difference. And I have like a very overextended Simmons-esque NBA center metaphor for you.

• 54:40Bill Simmons?

  Let's hear it.

• 54:40Sean Fennessey?

  For the, for the Bonds.

• 54:41Bill Simmons?

  Like it.

• 54:42Sean Fennessey?

  Connery, obviously Bill Russell. Lazenby is Wilt, kinda got one, one chip. Moore is Samson.

• 54:53Sean Fennessey?

  Dalton is Patrick Ewing. Clearly Brosnan is Shaq. Daniel Craig is Wemby. Where can we go next?

• 55:02Bill Simmons?

  That's really good.

• 55:03Chris Ryan?

  Trying to think of who would be.

• 55:04Bill Simmons?

  Kareem just left out.

• 55:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I don't, I, no one's really done that. No one's really had Bond for 25 years.

• 55:12Chris Ryan?

  Would you accept? Daniel Craig is Embiid? Because that character is often defined by his like, physical frailty?

• 55:21Sean Fennessey?

  Embiid has won nothing.

• 55:23Bill Simmons?

  And doesn't play.

• 55:24Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 55:24Bill Simmons?

  Other than that, I think you're right on.

• 55:26Chris Ryan?

  But like, Skyfall, all those movies are like, oh, you're getting old, you're addicted to drugs, you're an alcoholic and a womanizer. Not, Embiid's none of those things, but is frail. And now we could, but then we could be like, could Callum Turner be Wemby?

• 55:40Bill Simmons?

  Couldn't Daniel Craig be Jokic? He's like an atypical physical gifts for the part, but just gets the job done and is convincing anyway.

• 55:50Sean Fennessey?

  Could be.

• 55:50Chris Ryan?

  I like that.

• 55:51Sean Fennessey?

  So then Callum Turner has to be, will, will he be the tallest Bond?

• 55:56Bill Simmons?

  Do I know who Callum Turner is?

• 55:58Chris Ryan?

  Did you watch that Masters of the Air movie at all? The show, the one with Apple?

• 56:03Sean Fennessey?

  He was in The Boys in the Boat, did you see that?

• 56:05Speaker 06

  He's dating Dua Lipa?

• 56:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think they're engaged.

• 56:08Bill Simmons?

  She's incredible. Yeah, it's a great job by him.

• 56:10Speaker 06

  Is he Bond?

• 56:12Sean Fennessey?

  People believe he's gonna, I mean, we could do like, who should be Bond, there's a whole other like.

• 56:14Speaker 06

  But that's not official, right?

• 56:16Sean Fennessey?

  No, but it's strongly rumored.

• 56:17Chris Ryan?

  And now he's like, they're getting like, chased all over Paris by paparazzi, it's like, kinda, I feel like it's like, turning up on it.

• 56:23Speaker 06

  Does Dua do the Bond song, or is she in the movie?

• 56:26Sean Fennessey?

  It's a no brainer.

• 56:27Chris Ryan?

  It's, it's.

• 56:27Speaker 06

  Which would you rather, both? Does she play a Bond group?

• 56:30Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's the song.

• 56:31Speaker 06

  Just the song.

• 56:32Sean Fennessey?

  In the movie is a little too tongue in cheek for me.

• 56:34Bill Simmons?

  She's a home run. They would never go, she's a home run. Great at everything, good interviewer, I like everything she does.

• 56:40Sean Fennessey?

  Big book reader, you know, she has a book podcast.

• 56:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's, she's great. They'd never cross over and, and go outside the box, right? Do they have like, a prototype for Bond? Like, they would never do Daniel Kaluuya, or like.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  He was the one.

• 56:54Chris Ryan?

  There was, there was, that was. Before No Time To Die came back, I think it was more like, what could we do?

• 57:01Sean Fennessey?

  I think him and Dev Patel were the only times where it was like, this would have been interesting if they tried this, but it's, there's, there's too much anxiety.

• 57:07Bill Simmons?

  If they went American.

• 57:08Chris Ryan?

  They talked about Idris Elba so long that he got too old for the part.

• 57:11Bill Simmons?

  It'd be funny if they did American though, and the Brits all got mad and it's like, now you fucking assholes know how we feel when you take all of our American parts.

• 57:18Sean Fennessey?

  That's some jerks.

• 57:21Sean Fennessey?

  You're still mad about this.

• 57:22Chris Ryan?

  Would you have Austin Butler?

• 57:23Bill Simmons?

  Stay in your own country.

• 57:24Chris Ryan?

  Do a British accent though, or would you have him be like the American guy?

• 57:26Bill Simmons?

  I think Bond has to be English, which goes back to the Brosnan conversation. I don't think he was the best Bond, but if AI spat out what Bond would be, he would spit out Pierce Brosnan. He's like AI Bond.

• 57:38Sean Fennessey?

  And like you said, it felt like, and even in 86, they knew, they were just like, this guy's born to be, even though he's Irish, he's born to be Bond. But he was 42 when he got the part, which is, I think by far the oldest of any actor.

• 57:48Chris Ryan?

  And he did four movies or three?

• 57:50Sean Fennessey?

  He did four.

• 57:50Chris Ryan?

  Four, yeah.

• 57:51Bill Simmons?

  Cause some of the people we'll talk about with casting whittens, but one in particular was Hugh Grant had some momentum. And I just don't think he could have been Bond. I don't see it.

• 58:01Chris Ryan?

  I think he knew it.

• 58:01Sean Fennessey?

  Never would have worked. The more interesting one.

• 58:03Bill Simmons?

  I think he would have ruined it.

• 58:04Sean Fennessey?

  You want to wait for casting whittens?

• 58:06Bill Simmons?

  We can do it.

• 58:06Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, the most interesting one is Liam Neeson.

• 58:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 58:09Sean Fennessey?

  That would have been different, but it would have been closer, I think, to ultimately what Daniel Craig was, which was like burlier, tougher, bigger, you know, kind of like a, somebody who was, who needs to be physical in the part, in a way that Bond is not historically.

• 58:22Chris Ryan?

  And carrying a lot of pain around. Like he would have to have like a dramatic take on Bond.

• 58:27Bill Simmons?

  Plus famously endowed Liam Neeson.

• 58:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. It's true. You think he would have been the first Bond to whip it out?

• 58:34Bill Simmons?

  I just think that he would have had.

• 58:35Chris Ryan?

  Full frontal, yeah.

• 58:37Bill Simmons?

  I think we would have fit the part.

• 58:38Sean Fennessey?

  That would be a good way to end a Bond movie, like the end of Boogie Nights.

• 58:46Bill Simmons?

  He's just saying he's a big shit.

• 58:48Chris Ryan?

  You have a license to kill.

• 58:48Bill Simmons?

  Shining star.

• 58:51Sean Fennessey?

  These are the living daylights.

• 58:52Bill Simmons?

  I have the biggest gun. Do you have any what's aged the best?

• 58:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's, it never fails for me when you're trying to kill the hero of the movie in the most elaborate, ornate, time-consuming way possible. Instead of just shooting him in the head, you also have to give him a speech. Bond should have died nine times in this movie. But they're like, you, you don't understand, Mr. Bond, is that I am going to tell you all about the fall of Russia.

• 59:16Sean Fennessey?

  There's one very bad version of it in this movie. That is, when they're trying to crack Natalia's encryption code near the end and Boris is doing the pen thing, and Bond is just standing there and it's like, just shoot him in the head. You know, like, it is the Scott Evil thing where it's like, why do you even need Bond to be here? Just kill him and get it over with. Like, he's just watching.

• 59:34Chris Ryan?

  Wait, we gotta get the other, we gotta get the girl or we gotta get Bond to come. I have the other, which is the best I have. I hadn't noticed this before when I watched it, but when they blow up the dam, the first action sequence and he blows the whole thing up and he's flying away, he does like a fucking victory lap, like he's flying away, he barely gets away from the explosion. And he's like, you know what? I'm going back to see one of these.

• 1:00:00Chris Ryan?

  It's like, you can get a tossing foul for that, yeah.

• 1:00:03Bill Simmons?

  Great shot, Gordo Award, most cinematic, has to be the opening scene, right?

• 1:00:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, the dam, the wall. The plane hitting the dam.

• 1:00:09Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rockwell Brockland is the word, best character name. You could argue it might be the Zenya Anatop Award.

• 1:00:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think we should actually change it.

• 1:00:16Bill Simmons?

  I don't understand how they even came up with that.

• 1:00:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's brilliant.

• 1:00:20Bill Simmons?

  It's sexual, but then you actually look at it, it's like, not sexual, but it feels super sexual? It's like the perfect balance of it.

• 1:00:29Chris Ryan?

  Do you think the name came before her sexual proclivity for squeezing men?

• 1:00:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's a, she comes from a long line of Anatops, yeah. Those Georgian warriors.

• 1:00:37Chris Ryan?

  My mother taught me, like her grand, my grandmother taught her.

• 1:00:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think Boris Grushenko is a very good Russian hacker name, too. It's like, if you had to come up with a Russian hacker name, you couldn't do better than that.

• 1:00:47Bill Simmons?

  Hans Gruber scale villain ranking, we don't get to give this out very often. I had Zenya as a nine and a half out of 10. And I have.

• 1:00:55Chris Ryan?

  Gruber's a 10.

• 1:00:56Bill Simmons?

  006 is, Gruber's a 10. 006, AKA Sean Bean, probably like a seven and a half, eight.

• 1:01:02Chris Ryan?

  I think he starts really hot and heavy and then hits a rookie wall.

• 1:01:05Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Sean Fennessey?

  Little shaky on his plan. Little, little shaky on his.

• 1:01:09Chris Ryan?

  Well, he's like Gruber. It's like, for all of the talk about revenge and, and setting the political landscape right, he really just wants money.

• 1:01:17Sean Fennessey?

  He wants money, yeah.

• 1:01:18Bill Simmons?

  CR's flex?

• 1:01:20Chris Ryan?

  This is really exciting for me. The Rick Trichetti Guard Meat Award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential, but who probably had a spouse and kids who love him. And it's gotta go to the train driver who

• 1:01:37Chris Ryan?

  Trevethy is like, "Full speed ahead!" As a tank is looking at him. And if the tank projectile doesn't kill him, the ensuing inferno doesn't kill him, then he flies like full speed ahead into a tank and a tunnel. I can't imagine that guy just being like, "I just wanted a good job with good hours!"

• 1:01:58Sean Fennessey?

  Presumably, he's got a pension, right?

• 1:02:00Chris Ryan?

  Sure, in Russia, those things really worked out. Yeah.

• 1:02:03Bill Simmons?

  Whatever, Igor. Igor's gone. He crashed a tank.

• 1:02:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, James Bond killed him.

• 1:02:08Chris Ryan?

  That train is also going like 90 miles per hour and people are easily jumping off of it and stuff.

• 1:02:14Bill Simmons?

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• 1:03:59Bill Simmons?

  You mentioned multiple scenes where Bond just should have died.

• 1:04:03Bill Simmons?

  I'd go with that. I think the plot's confusing. And sometimes I just feel like I'm like movie dumb sometimes if the plot's just too many variables. I'm just, my brain starts glazing over, but I still don't 100% understand what happened in this movie.

• 1:04:21Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's a-

• 1:04:22Bill Simmons?

  Can you explain it in a sentence?

• 1:04:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, a former MI6 agent is seeking revenge on the nation of England and attempting to become extraordinarily wealthy by gaining control of a powerful nation destroying satellite.

• 1:04:39Bill Simmons?

  Called Golden Eye, yes.

• 1:04:41Sean Fennessey?

  Is that, is that?

• 1:04:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Sean Fennessey?

  Did I miss anything?

• 1:04:43Chris Ryan?

  I, I, there, there's a lot of confusing stuff where there's like, is there two Golden Eyes?

• 1:04:48Sean Fennessey?

  There, there-

• 1:04:49Bill Simmons?

  I thought there were.

• 1:04:50Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:04:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there definitively are two satellites.

• 1:04:52Bill Simmons?

  But if Golden Eye was this important, wouldn't they protect it better?

• 1:04:56Chris Ryan?

  But that's the problem with this end of the Soviet Union.

• 1:04:58Sean Fennessey?

  They set that up at the Death Star as well. You know, we know how that ended.

• 1:05:01Bill Simmons?

  All right, maybe I'm just dumb.

• 1:05:03Sean Fennessey?

  I think, I think I do find all James Bond plot mechanics a little dumb.

• 1:05:08Chris Ryan?

  It's strange that they, I almost wonder whether they make them overly complicated so that they don't ever have to like, be thoroughly interrogated. Like, we go into James Bond movies and even the Craig ones, you're like, what?

• 1:05:21Sean Fennessey?

  I, I feel, I totally feel that way in the Craig ones, which, and I love those movies, but I, I find most of them to be a little incoherent.

• 1:05:27Bill Simmons?

  I think it's almost like how your iPhone overheats when it gets too hot and just like phases down.

• 1:05:32Chris Ryan?

  This is what happens when you have like nine writers, four producers who are all like, I'm actually the person who's in charge.

• 1:05:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It doesn't really matter though, because one of the great things, like I have learned this, like learning to love the series over the years. They are style over substance. That is the point. And so if you know that you're, what you really are there for is shaken, not stirred, and xenia on a top and big explosions, then just roll with it. And it's okay. It's not trying to be anything- Different from that.

• 1:05:58Bill Simmons?

  You just described me cuz the the plot it's like I could really try to pay attention and try to thread these needles. Or I could just turn my brain off and get to the next thing and that's kind of where I landed.

• 1:06:07Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's why they're fun in that nine hour chunks too, like you said.

• 1:06:11Chris Ryan?

  It's almost better when you're like, oh, is this never say never or diamonds are forever and you're like, oh, this it doesn't really matter.

• 1:06:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst? We mentioned the Tina Turner theme song.

• 1:06:21Bill Simmons?

  Q calls Bond a misogynistic dinosaur? I don't know, man. I'm trying to root for him here. Need a hero for two hours.

• 1:06:31Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:06:31Bill Simmons?

  They need a character assassination on Bond? This is kind of my guy. I'm trying to buy into him saving the world. You're fucking taking shots at him. Maybe maybe a little better pregame speech.

• 1:06:41Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:06:42Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if Vrabel threw that at Drake May before the Super Bowl.

• 1:06:44Chris Ryan?

  Did you see them mic'd up though? Did you see them mic'd up for the Super Bowl with Barrymore and and Williams being like, this isn't on us, like indicating it was on Drake?

• 1:06:54Sean Fennessey?

  Damn.

• 1:06:55Bill Simmons?

  We're not talking about that.

• 1:06:56Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:06:57Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, they were right. I thought Pat's D played very well.

• 1:07:00Bill Simmons?

  I saw the the mic'd up when Drake May got hit near the end of the game and landed on his shoulder and couldn't get up. And Vrabel went to help him and realized he couldn't pull him up with his right shoulder cuz his right shoulder is probably broken. And kind of helped him with his shoulder pads. I saw that one. Did you see that one, Craig?

• 1:07:14Chris Ryan?

  That was like Friday Night Lights.

• 1:07:15Bill Simmons?

  That wasn't great. That's like he was severely injured. He did look very injured in that moment. At the end of the game.

• 1:07:20Sean Fennessey?

  Really Jerry Seinfeld, that's a shame energy from over here.

• 1:07:24Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst? I thought the gadget scene could have been more fun.

• 1:07:28Chris Ryan?

  It's it's an old Q and it's.

• 1:07:31Bill Simmons?

  It's just lukewarm.

• 1:07:32Chris Ryan?

  They just didn't have a lot of juice in those gadgets.

• 1:07:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:34Chris Ryan?

  It was like, look at my leg cast that shoots a missile. It's like, when the fuck am I ever gonna wear a leg cast?

• 1:07:40Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Drake May needs one now, yeah.

• 1:07:41Chris Ryan?

  But you imagine James Bond like rolling around being like, don't don't mind my broken leg. I'm still on the on the job.

• 1:07:46Sean Fennessey?

  You think Drake should pivot to Bond? Would that be a better career move for him?

• 1:07:49Bill Simmons?

  I don't know if he has the personality. My last one was, um, I thought the score and the soundtrack just sucked.

• 1:07:56Chris Ryan?

  Dude, thank you. So the most egregious offense in the history of Bond movies might very well be the music that's playing. As Bond and the girl are in the Aston Martin and and Zennias in the Ferrari. It's like Super Mario Brothers pause music.

• 1:08:11Bill Simmons?

  It's terrible.

• 1:08:14Chris Ryan?

  And you're like, this is the fucking coolest guy in the world, the hottest woman in the world, and two of the best cars in the world, and we got fucking Luigi jumping around in the background. Like, what is happening?

• 1:08:24Sean Fennessey?

  He really got caught out with that one. He really enjoyed that.

• 1:08:29Bill Simmons?

  Well, I was thinking like, two years later, The Saint came out, which we already did on rewatchables. And one of the great things about The Saint, it's the same kind of thing. They're in all these locations. The music and the sound and the score, and they're tapping into all that music from the orb and like all that shit.

• 1:08:45Sean Fennessey?

  I have one more.

• 1:08:47Chris Ryan?

  One more, what?

• 1:08:48Sean Fennessey?

  What's age the worst?

• 1:08:48Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:50Sean Fennessey?

  Passwords for satellites that can blow up the world, having passwords like chair?

• 1:08:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Bill Simmons?

  Not even like three dollar signs at the end or anything?

• 1:08:57Chris Ryan?

  Well, they were, that was the first, those are early days of passwords.

• 1:09:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. What was, what was the first password you ever used?

• 1:09:03Chris Ryan?

  It was probably like, I don't know, Iverson.

• 1:09:06Sean Fennessey?

  Ghostface Killer is the best.

• 1:09:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. It was like, it was literally like Iverson. Yeah.

• 1:09:10Bill Simmons?

  What was your first email address?

• 1:09:12Chris Ryan?

  Uh, well, I had like a paragraph long dot edu email address for a while.

• 1:09:17Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that wasn't your first personal one?

• 1:09:19Chris Ryan?

  And then my first one was Hotmail, [email protected].

• 1:09:23Bill Simmons?

  What was yours, Sean?

• 1:09:25Sean Fennessey?

  I, I'm dead serious. I think it was like Reservoir Dog 327.

• 1:09:30Sean Fennessey?

  Dead serious.

• 1:09:30Chris Ryan?

  What was the server?

• 1:09:33Bill Simmons?

  This would be a good podcast.

• 1:09:35Sean Fennessey?

  AOL, maybe?

• 1:09:36Chris Ryan?

  It would also be fun if we could go back into those email accounts and see like what, what's been happening in there.

• 1:09:41Bill Simmons?

  What was your first email?

• 1:09:43Chris Ryan?

  It's Craig Rollback at Gmail.

• 1:09:45Speaker 06

  Instant Messenger account? Did you need an email for that?

• 1:09:47Chris Ryan?

  You had to have a username. You had to like have a chat name.

• 1:09:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, I had that. My first email was probably Craig Rollback at Yahoo.

• 1:09:53Chris Ryan?

  But what was your AOL name? Or were you too old?

• 1:09:56Speaker 06

  I don't remember.

• 1:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  You don't know what it was like?

• 1:09:58Chris Ryan?

  Miguel Tahada 445.

• 1:10:00Speaker 06

  Mark Ellis.

• 1:10:02Bill Simmons?

  My first one was DrLoomis22@ AOL.com.

• 1:10:05Sean Fennessey?

  Seriously?

• 1:10:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, so fucking good, man.

• 1:10:07Sean Fennessey?

  Wow. That's why we're all here today.

• 1:10:10Bill Simmons?

  I watched A W L for 15 years staring at a wall, staring through the wall.

• 1:10:16Chris Ryan?

  My other what's aged the worst is the one moment where they tried to make it serious and Bond is like wistfully staring at the sea in the Caribbean. And it's just like, give me a break, dog. You're not, you're not mad about any of this.

• 1:10:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, you're having a great time.

• 1:10:27Chris Ryan?

  Traumatized by this.

• 1:10:28Sean Fennessey?

  So it's okay when Michael Mann does it, but it's not okay when James Bond does it.

• 1:10:31Chris Ryan?

  The whole movie is that, if Skyfall, like where it's just like, that is what it's like, but he's been like banging ladies and driving cars and.

• 1:10:39Bill Simmons?

  You just want to hit on people at work and drive a cool car. Stop.

• 1:10:41Sean Fennessey?

  Is this the least sex James Bond has in a movie?

• 1:10:45Bill Simmons?

  And the most people he's killed, I think.

• 1:10:46Chris Ryan?

  He takes down Natalia.

• 1:10:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but that's it.

• 1:10:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 1:10:50Sean Fennessey?

  One time, right?

• 1:10:50Chris Ryan?

  Pretty chaste. No, he has sex with the therapist, with Serena Gordon. Yeah.

• 1:10:53Bill Simmons?

  Well, he also, he brings Zenyatta to orgasm just from their steam room fight.

• 1:10:58Chris Ryan?

  That's true.

• 1:10:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:01Bill Simmons?

  We haven't had gotten to give this out yet. I'm really excited. The Earn This Award for cringey quote that should have been vetted by William Goldman first. After that whole action scene when, uh, when somebody crashes and Bond goes, the things we do for frequent flyer mileage. Which is fucking terrible. Like back to the workshop.

• 1:11:23Bill Simmons?

  Forty-five writers in this movie. He had a couple of groaners that definitely had Austin Powers DNA.

• 1:11:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Bill Simmons?

  Where you're like, oh, Meg Myers is like, I'm definitely making fun of this.

• 1:11:32Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 1:11:33Bill Simmons?

  Ruff Lohannon Rubenek Patridge, overacting word has to go to Alan Cumming as Boris.

• 1:11:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, there's a very funny Sean Bean moment on the train where, uh, he goes to James like, see you in hell. And then he looks at, uh, Oremov, the guy who's got the gun on Bond. And he goes like this, like to like, indicate that he should kill him. And it's like, all right, Bean, take, take a couple of miles per hour off the head nod.

• 1:11:57Bill Simmons?

  Sean, you have a flex category.

• 1:11:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I already talked about the Dan Campbell scale, but there, there is a criteria orgasm here.

• 1:12:03Chris Ryan?

  Is there?

• 1:12:04Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I didn't realize.

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  During the opening sequence, when Bond is dragging the rack that has all of the tanks to make sure he doesn't get shot by any of the Russian soldiers. One of the soldiers accidentally fires on him and then Oremov turns around and shoots him. And that's like pulled right out of the wild bunch. That's in the open, in the opening scene in the wild bunch. It's like an homage to that.

• 1:12:28Chris Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:12:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Chris Ryan?

  You should start making them up. You should be like, obviously.

• 1:12:32Sean Fennessey?

  You'll never know.

• 1:12:33Chris Ryan?

  Obviously Natalia is a reference to Paris, Texas.

• 1:12:36Sean Fennessey?

  This is Tarkovsky's Ivan Rublev, you know, we all remember that moment.

• 1:12:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I should do that.

• 1:12:42Bill Simmons?

  The Rob Mahoney thinks smells like team spirit sucks hottest take award, just shouting him out.

• 1:12:50Bill Simmons?

  I have one, but I'll go last. Do you have one?

• 1:12:53Chris Ryan?

  Judi Dench's take on M predicts the coming advanced analytics revolution.

• 1:12:57Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:12:58Chris Ryan?

  In 95, she would be right at the cutting edge of getting data and just making database choices. It's much more instinctual before that, you know, and.

• 1:13:07Sean Fennessey?

  What about her sense of misogyny, though?

• 1:13:10Chris Ryan?

  Well, that also is a precursor to like how the workplace would change. But I think my real one would be that after watching Bond and Trevithian, I think we missed, we missed a step by not making a Bond buddy movie along the way. And I.

• 1:13:25Bill Simmons?

  Where the buddy dies at the end or.

• 1:13:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like I think a Bond and Alec movie would have been awesome, like a pre, like a pre one. And it's all of their relationship and then Golden Eye is like what happens after.

• 1:13:36Sean Fennessey?

  I think part of the reason the movie works is that those two guys actually have chemistry.

• 1:13:39Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:13:40Sean Fennessey?

  And maybe more chemistry than he does with Isabella Skorupko, in my opinion. But that's a good one. I, they never, they've still never really taken a risk like that. They've actually done some, they did audacious stuff with Craig, but it still was Bond.

• 1:13:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:54Sean Fennessey?

  They never, and I'm very curious to see if Amazon is like, fuck it, we're trying something totally different.

• 1:13:59Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for hottest take? Do you have one?

• 1:14:02Sean Fennessey?

  I think Brosnan would be considered the second best Bond ever if Martin Campbell made all of his movies. And the other three are so poor, even though the directors are fine. It's like Roger Spottiswood and Michael Apted, like not Lee Tomahory, but those movies are really, in my opinion, really not good. But Campbell is responsible for two of the seven best, I think, maybe seven or eight best Bond movies.

• 1:14:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26Sean Fennessey?

  And Brosnan loved Campbell and he was like, he was a warrior. There's a great featurette of him directing this movie on the Blu-ray that is like, he screams action so loud. And it's just like, let's go sharp as a knife. We're going again. Like really in his New Zealand accent. And he was like, he was the general of James Bond for a few years there. Unfortunately, he didn't get to work on them again.

• 1:14:53Bill Simmons?

  Mine is, I put a lot of thought into who I think should have been the best Bond ever after Connery. Out of all the actors we've had. I landed on Colin Farrell. I think he would have been the best Bond. He's got the accent, the Irish, like Connery was Scottish, right? So it's, it's in the vicinity. So I think he could have pulled that off. I think he could have looked like Bond, like the everything that we think Bond is in our head. Think he did the action stuff. There would have been a little Sonny Crockett Miami Vice in there. Could have different hairdos for each movie. And I just think he would have been really good, right in that time when they were casting Dino Craig. But he was having a lot of issues and it wasn't going to happen.

• 1:15:32Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Would you trade Miami Vice completely, the movie? For Colin Farrell as Bond for 10 years?

• 1:15:40Bill Simmons?

  No way.

• 1:15:40Chris Ryan?

  Let me, let me, can I, I'm going to talk to my GM and I'm going to call you back. Phone call, ring, ring. Would you trade Ralph Fiennes as any of his like sort of modern Renaissance for him being Bond?

• 1:15:53Sean Fennessey?

  I wouldn't trade Grand Budapest Hotel. Everything else is on the board. Voldemort, I don't care.

• 1:15:57Bill Simmons?

  This is a good idea for our pod. Movie trades. Movie trade, just, oh yeah. Liam Neeson is too tall for Bond too. Liam Neeson's like 6'4".

• 1:16:07Chris Ryan?

  It's also an interesting tidbit.

• 1:16:08Sean Fennessey?

  I think Alan Turner's like 6'5" or 6'6".

• 1:16:11Chris Ryan?

  That Natasha Richardson like forbid him from doing it. I couldn't tell if it was a joke, but it was an interesting little like.

• 1:16:16Bill Simmons?

  He claimed that.

• 1:16:17Chris Ryan?

  He said that Natasha Richardson, his wife at the time, didn't want him to do it.

• 1:16:20Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:16:23Bill Simmons?

  Casting what ifs.

• 1:16:24Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 1:16:26Bill Simmons?

  Before Brad, before Brosnan, Liam Neeson passed. First choice was Mel Gibson. Hugh Grant was smart enough not to know.

• 1:16:35Chris Ryan?

  Wait, Mel Gibson?

• 1:16:37Bill Simmons?

  Connor was pushing for Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson was one of the biggest stars in the world at the time.

• 1:16:40Chris Ryan?

  A little old at the time.

• 1:16:41Bill Simmons?

  I think a little too old, Australian.

• 1:16:43Sean Fennessey?

  How, I mean, is he that much older than Brosnan though? He's gotta be in his mid 40s at that point.

• 1:16:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, maybe you're right. He just looked a little older. This is the other thing is that some guys like.

• 1:16:51Bill Simmons?

  No, I would say he was probably like 39 to 42 range.

• 1:16:54Sean Fennessey?

  That's, yeah, Brosnan was 42.

• 1:16:56Bill Simmons?

  I think Mel Gibson would have been a mistake. And they met with Ralph Fiennes who. Quiz show's ninety-four.

• 1:17:03Sean Fennessey?

  He could have done it.

• 1:17:04Bill Simmons?

  He could have done it.

• 1:17:05Sean Fennessey?

  He could have done it.

• 1:17:05Bill Simmons?

  I don't.

• 1:17:06Sean Fennessey?

  It would have been different because he's a little bit more intellectual. So you it would have brought a different character to it.

• 1:17:12Bill Simmons?

  It's he's.

• 1:17:12Bill Simmons?

  See the swordsman you want in the in the Bond world though?

• 1:17:16Chris Ryan?

  But like, you know, bigger splash and stuff like that.

• 1:17:17Sean Fennessey?

  I was gonna say, he's done a couple of parts where you're like, that's that is a that's an old school.

• 1:17:22Chris Ryan?

  But now he's M, so it doesn't matter.

• 1:17:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:23Speaker 06

  Mel is two years younger than Brosnan.

• 1:17:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Bill Simmons?

  Jude Law's three years to like, three years later talented Mr. Ripley. If that had come out in ninety-four, the same way it did and Bond is opening, I think he's in there.

• 1:17:36Sean Fennessey?

  Was he discussed when they went for Craig? I assume he was.

• 1:17:38Chris Ryan?

  He must have been.

• 1:17:39Bill Simmons?

  I think it was too late at that point.

• 1:17:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Bill Simmons?

  Maybe maybe he was discussed. I think Jude Law in the late nineties would have been really good. Um, they said Paul McGinn was the studio second choice if Brosnan couldn't do it. I don't really have a Paul McGinn history.

• 1:17:53Sean Fennessey?

  With Nail and I, I mean, he's in that. He's he's been in a lot of British television. I was reading about him a little bit this morning. Like, he was in Horatio Hornblower, that series it was on.

• 1:18:01Bill Simmons?

  And I don't know, this was in the research, but Billy Zapka, they looked at.

• 1:18:05Sean Fennessey?

  Nice.

• 1:18:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:18:06Sean Fennessey?

  Weird.

• 1:18:06Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I didn't.

• 1:18:07Sean Fennessey?

  Was Joyce Heiser considered as well?

• 1:18:09Bill Simmons?

  I was positive I believe that.

• 1:18:10Chris Ryan?

  For xenia.

• 1:18:12Bill Simmons?

  The Sean Bean character was supposed to be older and Anthony Hopkins and Alan Rickman both turned it down. And then they decided to make him younger. Hopkins was red hot at that point. It's just a different movie. If he's like, basically like his Bond is his mentor, basically.

• 1:18:28Chris Ryan?

  Bardem and Valtz are definitely the most esteemed and Malick are like the most esteemed actors to have ever played Bond adversaries, correct? More or less?

• 1:18:38Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I mean, Robert Shaw.

• 1:18:40Chris Ryan?

  Oh, right.

• 1:18:41Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, Robert Shaw was was the the ur Bond villain. He's amazing.

• 1:18:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:46Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and that was right.

• 1:18:50Sean Fennessey?

  Different jaws.

• 1:18:52Bill Simmons?

  Paulina Porizkova and Eva Herzegova were offered the role of Natalia and both turned it down.

• 1:18:59Sean Fennessey?

  Paulina Porizkova would have been my choice over Isabella Skrupko.

• 1:19:02Bill Simmons?

  Can she act though?

• 1:19:03Sean Fennessey?

  Can Isabella Skrupko?

• 1:19:06Bill Simmons?

  I kind of liked her. Thought she was delightful.

• 1:19:09Sean Fennessey?

  I read also L. McPherson.

• 1:19:11Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:11Sean Fennessey?

  I would have I would have.

• 1:19:13Chris Ryan?

  They were just going through the S I. Swimsuit issue.

• 1:19:15Sean Fennessey?

  Literally.

• 1:19:16Chris Ryan?

  Like.

• 1:19:18Bill Simmons?

  Courtney Cox couldn't get this verified. It was on the internets that she allegedly turned down Xenia on a top. Did you have some texts out to find out if this was true? I did not. I didn't pass the stink test to me. Okay. I don't, I just don't see Courtney Cox as Xenia. Or I know it would have infuriated Craig.

• 1:19:38Bill Simmons?

  Courtney Cox, two thumbs up. Xenia Overtop though? No. That's a stretch. Overtop.

• 1:19:43Chris Ryan?

  On a top.

• 1:19:44Bill Simmons?

  Overtop is the Americanization of her name.

• 1:19:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that was her character from Over the Top. Yeah.

• 1:19:49Bill Simmons?

  How do you feel about John Woo being approached as director and turning it down?

• 1:19:52Sean Fennessey?

  Boy, it's an amazing what if.

• 1:19:54Chris Ryan?

  I mean, he basically gets to do this with Am I Mission Impossible 2?

• 1:19:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but then you see, you don't get Broken Arrow, which means maybe you don't get Face Off.

• 1:20:02Bill Simmons?

  Do we get Broken Arrow on the rewatchables?

• 1:20:05Chris Ryan?

  Why not?

• 1:20:05Sean Fennessey?

  I love Broken Arrow.

• 1:20:07Bill Simmons?

  Whoa, our girls in that.

• 1:20:08Chris Ryan?

  Samantha Mathis.

• 1:20:09Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:10Sean Fennessey?

  Some really good Slater.

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  Samantha Mathis chasing down a stealth bomber. What a great movie.

• 1:20:15Bill Simmons?

  It was also the birth of Travolta just being like, I'm a maniac.

• 1:20:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, he's a.

• 1:20:21Bill Simmons?

  He was Nick Cage exposure. He'll hold on everybody for the next five years.

• 1:20:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, he is a fruitcake in that movie. He's really going for it.

• 1:20:28Bill Simmons?

  Absolutely amazing. Best that guy. Joe Don Baker and Alan Cumming not eligible, but I think Alan Cumming was the that guy when they made the movie and now he's Alan Cumming.

• 1:20:35Chris Ryan?

  I have been, please forgive me if I'm brutalizing this name, Chekki Cario as the Defense Minister.

• 1:20:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:20:41Chris Ryan?

  He's been in tons of stuff.

• 1:20:43Sean Fennessey?

  I was wondering if you guys would raise the name Gottfried John, who's a German actor who plays Urimov, the general.

• 1:20:50Bill Simmons?

  I have him as my winner.

• 1:20:51Sean Fennessey?

  He, he, proof of life.

• 1:20:54Bill Simmons?

  Thought CR was gonna take it. I was giving it to you.

• 1:20:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:56Bill Simmons?

  He's, shares the prison cell with David Morse.

• 1:20:58Chris Ryan?

  I forgot. That's right.

• 1:21:00Bill Simmons?

  He escapes. He's the French guy.

• 1:21:02Sean Fennessey?

  Very unmistakable face.

• 1:21:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I don't think he was eligible for Bond. Diane Waiters, I think Xenia Overtop's in it too much.

• 1:21:12Chris Ryan?

  I had Robbie Coltrane, Zukowski.

• 1:21:14Sean Fennessey?

  I had Minnie Driver.

• 1:21:16Bill Simmons?

  Oh, that's good.

• 1:21:16Chris Ryan?

  Would you have that if Minnie Driver did not become Minnie Driver?

• 1:21:19Sean Fennessey?

  Probably not, but she's pretty foxy in the movie.

• 1:21:21Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:21:22Sean Fennessey?

  Terrible singer.

• 1:21:23Bill Simmons?

  Stand by your man.

• 1:21:26Bill Simmons?

  Recasting couch director city. So I just think Joe Don Baker, I love Joe Don Baker. He shouldn't be in the movie because he was a villain in a previous Bond movie. It's fucking stupid.

• 1:21:35Sean Fennessey?

  It's stupid.

• 1:21:35Chris Ryan?

  I don't understand why they did it.

• 1:21:37Bill Simmons?

  Can I offer you Nick Nolte?

• 1:21:39Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that would have been fun.

• 1:21:41Bill Simmons?

  Like kinda doing Jack Cates?

• 1:21:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Bill Simmons?

  Turn this shit.

• 1:21:45Chris Ryan?

  Wins fucking Oscar for Prince of Tides and like, Nick, what's next?

• 1:21:48Bill Simmons?

  Listen, we're cutting Nick a check. I don't know if Nick put away a lot of his money. Nick, we need you for 20 days.

• 1:21:55Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great call.

• 1:21:55Chris Ryan?

  With Dennis Quaid banging around then?

• 1:21:57Sean Fennessey?

  So that's after.

• 1:21:58Bill Simmons?

  He's not old enough.

• 1:21:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's after Blue Chips.

• 1:22:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I love when I just throw him out. You have an immediate rule why he can't.

• 1:22:04Bill Simmons?

  No, it's gotta be like a late 40s, early 50s with some alcohol.

• 1:22:07Chris Ryan?

  Says who?

• 1:22:08Sean Fennessey?

  Is 96 like, is that I love, or 95, that's I love Trouble, right?

• 1:22:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's right after another 48 hours, like four years after that.

• 1:22:14Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:22:15Bill Simmons?

  No?

• 1:22:16Chris Ryan?

  I just think Dennis Quaid's just as good of a suggestion.

• 1:22:19Bill Simmons?

  How about, if he wasn't old enough here though, he's like a leading man.

• 1:22:22Sean Fennessey?

  No, shut up!

• 1:22:24Bill Simmons?

  How about Brian Denny?

• 1:22:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:22:27Sean Fennessey?

  That would be good too.

• 1:22:28Chris Ryan?

  Definitely.

• 1:22:28Bill Simmons?

  I was just trying to think of like grizzled, older.

• 1:22:31Chris Ryan?

  What about Dustin Hoffman?

• 1:22:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Bill Simmons?

  Craig has a flex category.

• 1:22:38Sean Fennessey?

  Was Olivier not available?

• 1:22:41Speaker 06

  Um, I'll defer to you guys on this because I'm sure you've thought about this, but I wanted to build the female sex killer Mount Rushmore.

• 1:22:46Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 1:22:47Speaker 06

  Women who kill men during sex.

• 1:22:49Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna buckle up.

• 1:22:50Speaker 06

  Xenia on a top.

• 1:22:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:52Speaker 06

  Catherine Trammell, Basic Instinct.

• 1:22:54Sean Fennessey?

  Gotta be.

• 1:22:54Chris Ryan?

  Gotta be.

• 1:22:54Speaker 06

  Syl from Species.

• 1:22:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:57Speaker 06

  And the fourth, the fourth, I think this is the one that can be open. You have Amy Dunn from Gone Girl. Is there a better fourth?

• 1:23:05Sean Fennessey?

  She's got that great on the top scene with Doogie Howser.

• 1:23:07Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:23:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's incredible stuff.

• 1:23:09Speaker 06

  Is there anyone I'm missing on this Mount Rushmore? Because I think it's a tidy four.

• 1:23:13Chris Ryan?

  Oh, uh, I personally really like, um, Jeremy Irons' girlfriend in Die Hard with a Vengeance with the scythe.

• 1:23:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:23:25Chris Ryan?

  She's pretty hot.

• 1:23:26Bill Simmons?

  I wish you had prepared me for this.

• 1:23:27Speaker 06

  I should have texted you.

• 1:23:29Bill Simmons?

  What did the Google say? Did you Google it at all?

• 1:23:31Speaker 06

  It, it, it looks like it's really these four.

• 1:23:33Chris Ryan?

  Did you Google female killer sex Mount Rushmore?

• 1:23:36Speaker 06

  And it's, yeah, a little bit.

• 1:23:38Bill Simmons?

  Liz is like, what are you doing?

• 1:23:40Sean Fennessey?

  Nothing.

• 1:23:42Bill Simmons?

  I think that might be the four.

• 1:23:44Sean Fennessey?

  That's very good.

• 1:23:45Bill Simmons?

  It's a really good one.

• 1:23:46Sean Fennessey?

  Mia Goth in the Pearl X movies?

• 1:23:48Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:50Chris Ryan?

  It's a good, it's a good later period.

• 1:23:52Bill Simmons?

  There's probably some horror stuff we're forgetting.

• 1:23:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:54Bill Simmons?

  They did, somebody do that in It Follows?

• 1:23:58Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's really more the ghost, the haunting.

• 1:24:01Bill Simmons?

  What about the screen movies? Rebecca Gayheart?

• 1:24:03Chris Ryan?

  Uh, well, I don't want to spoil screen movies, but Mikey Madison's pretty good.

• 1:24:07Sean Fennessey?

  She is. That's a good one.

• 1:24:09Chris Ryan?

  Good one, Craig.

• 1:24:10Bill Simmons?

  Half fast internet research.

• 1:24:14Bill Simmons?

  The opening scene when an admiral is seduced and killed had to be rewritten because the US military was like, no. And they changed it to Canada. Canada just taking shots.

• 1:24:24Sean Fennessey?

  Really funny.

• 1:24:26Bill Simmons?

  Goldeneye was the nickname of Ian Fleming's beachfront house in Jamaica, where he wrote a bunch of Bond novels in the 50s.

• 1:24:35Sean Fennessey?

  But did you also read that it was also the name of a, of a military operation strategy in the event that England was invaded through Spain? Through the Nazis partnership with?

• 1:24:46Bill Simmons?

  Jesus.

• 1:24:47Chris Ryan?

  I didn't know that with Franco?

• 1:24:48Sean Fennessey?

  With Franco and that, that he, Ian Fleming was working as a spy at that time. And so he worked on that strategy. And then he named his estate after that strategy, which was never ultimately deployed. But then some, so I think Michael Franz, who wrote the original version of the screenplay, he must have known that. And put that in because there's all this stuff about what happened in World War Two with the Cossacks and everything. So it feels like a big homage to that.

• 1:25:14Bill Simmons?

  It'd be funny if the actual reason was his first name begins with I and he just was drunk one night. It's like, I will name this place Goldeneye. And that was just how it became.

• 1:25:25Bill Simmons?

  Ninety thousand cans of Perrier water were used in the collision between the tank and the Perrier truck. And every other soda turned it down and soda, water, everything. And Perry is like, sign us up. And it was great for them. How many people do you think he killed in this movie? Sixty?

• 1:25:40Sean Fennessey?

  Seventy-five.

• 1:25:41Bill Simmons?

  Forty-seven. Highest ever for Bond.

• 1:25:46Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain, Brosnan? I'm gonna say yes.

• 1:25:50Chris Ryan?

  It's, yeah, probably.

• 1:25:52Bill Simmons?

  It was kinda Brosnan time in 95.

• 1:25:53Chris Ryan?

  Because this is also like such a huge success. It basically revives the franchise, right?

• 1:25:58Sean Fennessey?

  It might be Mamma Mia.

• 1:26:01Chris Ryan?

  Oh, are you just, yeah?

• 1:26:02Sean Fennessey?

  I just saw this for the first time. I did not know how popular these movies were. I have now learned how popular they are. And-

• 1:26:10Bill Simmons?

  Is this in your divorced woman's group?

• 1:26:12Sean Fennessey?

  Um, yeah, well, pretty much. It's called Watching a Movie Amanda Asked Me to Watch. Um, and I enjoyed the movie.

• 1:26:23Sean Fennessey?

  But he's a big part of the movie, like more than I expected. He's like the, the third lead of the movie. And I feel like to a younger generation, he's way more famous for that movie than he is for James Bond.

• 1:26:35Bill Simmons?

  Was he Thomas Crown Affair?

• 1:26:37Sean Fennessey?

  He was.

• 1:26:38Bill Simmons?

  I would argue he might be more famous for that too than GoldenEye.

• 1:26:42Chris Ryan?

  My, like, Loki favorite Brosnan is probably Hot Fuzz.

• 1:26:45Sean Fennessey?

  He's super funny in Hot Fuzz. He was just in Black Back. He was also in Black Back.

• 1:26:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:50Sean Fennessey?

  Um, he's having a good little stretch.

• 1:26:51Bill Simmons?

  I like Brosnan.

• 1:26:52Chris Ryan?

  And he's in, um, with Taylor Sher- isn't he in a Taylor Sheridan? No, he's in Mobland. It's not Taylor Sheridan, but it feels like it.

• 1:27:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. He's always been good. He was in the first John McTiernan movie, Nomads. He was the lead of, of, before Die Hard, before all those movies.

• 1:27:08Bill Simmons?

  Isabella Skorapko, I'm gonna say yes for Apex Mountain for her.

• 1:27:11Chris Ryan?

  She did appear in a film called Cougar Club several years later.

• 1:27:14Sean Fennessey?

  Did you write and direct that film?

• 1:27:15Chris Ryan?

  I'm waiting for the 4K to arrive.

• 1:27:17Bill Simmons?

  That's gotta be on Tubi. BMW Z3, no question.

• 1:27:22Sean Fennessey?

  It wasn't till you shit on it on this pod.

• 1:27:25Bill Simmons?

  Listen, everyone makes mistakes.

• 1:27:27Chris Ryan?

  Is the song GoldenEye and the performance the anti-Apex of Bond theme songs?

• 1:27:32Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I think it's the worst.

• 1:27:34Sean Fennessey?

  What's the best?

• 1:27:36Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, I, I kinda might go Skyfall.

• 1:27:38Sean Fennessey?

  Diamonds Are Forever is amazing.

• 1:27:39Bill Simmons?

  I mean, Carly Simon.

• 1:27:42Chris Ryan?

  For Your Eyes Only?

• 1:27:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Bill Simmons?

  That was massive.

• 1:27:46Sean Fennessey?

  Goldfinger is also amazing.

• 1:27:49Bill Simmons?

  Famke. I'm probably butchering her name every time I'm doing that. We should be on brand. Famke? Famke Janssen?

• 1:27:57Sean Fennessey?

  X-Men, yeah, Jean Grey.

• 1:28:00Bill Simmons?

  Bond movies? No.

• 1:28:02Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:28:04Chris Ryan?

  What would you say Apex Mountain for Bond movies is? Skyfall?

• 1:28:08Bill Simmons?

  I think it's gotta be Connery era. These were like events when they came out.

• 1:28:11Sean Fennessey?

  I think.

• 1:28:12Chris Ryan?

  Skyfall made like a billion dollars.

• 1:28:14Sean Fennessey?

  I think Skyfall's the most financially successful, but maybe not for inflation. That's like Dr. No from Russia with Love, that first Connery era, I think is probably.

• 1:28:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think that in the sixties, it has to be somewhere in there. Joe Don Baker?

• 1:28:26Sean Fennessey?

  No, walking tall.

• 1:28:28Bill Simmons?

  So I have Mitchell. And he played Mitchell. And then the Mystery Science Theater guys made fun of Mitchell, which was.

• 1:28:33Sean Fennessey?

  Mitchell in the film Mitchell.

• 1:28:35Bill Simmons?

  The best hour and a half of comedy in Comedy Central history was them doing Mitchell. I really loved it. Cause they would always do like these weird forties and fifties movies. And then one time they decided to do Mitchell. And it was fucking awesome.

• 1:28:48Sean Fennessey?

  Had you seen Mitchell before you saw them do that?

• 1:28:50Bill Simmons?

  No. I didn't, all they're doing is just ragging on Joe Don Baker for 90 minutes. And he's like a, like a ladies man, grizzled drunk detective in it. And they're just fucking killing him. It's really funny. It's probably on YouTube. Post-Cold War shit?

• 1:29:06Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:29:06Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:29:07Bill Simmons?

  Perrier?

• 1:29:10Bill Simmons?

  I think you could say yes. Sparkling Water, Perrier had a bad rap for a while. It's starting to come around.

• 1:29:15Chris Ryan?

  Do you, is Perrier just being completely blown off the face of the earth by all the fancy sparkling waters now?

• 1:29:21Bill Simmons?

  People just call it Sparkling Water now. What's your relationship with Perrier, Craig?

• 1:29:26Speaker 06

  Never really drank it.

• 1:29:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:27Speaker 06

  San Pelle. That's my, that's.

• 1:29:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's a lot of competitors.

• 1:29:30Sean Fennessey?

  No free ads.

• 1:29:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:33Bill Simmons?

  By the way, no to any of them. We're happy to sponsor. We'll put you right there. I'll drink from Perrier.

• 1:29:37Chris Ryan?

  No offense to San Pellegrino, but it always strikes me that they are, I find their rewards or their prize money for Top Chef to be pretty cheap. It's like, you get $200,000. It's like, this guy's the best chef in the country. Shouldn't he get like something more than that?

• 1:29:53Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:29:54Bill Simmons?

  Alan Cumming? No.

• 1:29:56Chris Ryan?

  No, Traitors.

• 1:29:56Sean Fennessey?

  Traitors, yeah. He's, he's having his moment. You think he's proud of his work as Boris Gorshenko?

• 1:30:02Bill Simmons?

  He's basically test driving his Traitors hosting role as Boris.

• 1:30:06Sean Fennessey?

  Similar energy.

• 1:30:07Bill Simmons?

  Russian accent.

• 1:30:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:09Bill Simmons?

  By the way, my, one of my goals for 2026 is to get Rachel Lindsay on Traders. I'm just laying the hammer down now.

• 1:30:15Sean Fennessey?

  Can I, can I?

• 1:30:16Bill Simmons?

  She needs to go on Traders. They need to have her and I think she'd be amazing.

• 1:30:19Sean Fennessey?

  I have no problem with that whatsoever, but can I just make a suggestion? I think you should go on Traders.

• 1:30:25Bill Simmons?

  I should go on Traders?

• 1:30:26Sean Fennessey?

  I think you would be incredible on Traders.

• 1:30:28Chris Ryan?

  I just don't know if he could stay.

• 1:30:29Bill Simmons?

  It's like a guilt by association with who's on the show, though.

• 1:30:32Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of, but like you are, you're a strategist.

• 1:30:35Chris Ryan?

  How would you have dealt with Rappaport?

• 1:30:36Sean Fennessey?

  You're vindictive. You love a game.

• 1:30:37Chris Ryan?

  How would you have dealt with Rappaport on Traders?

• 1:30:40Bill Simmons?

  Probably were trying to get him out.

• 1:30:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Sean Fennessey?

  Think about it, just the.

• 1:30:44Bill Simmons?

  Well, Rachel, they have all these like Real Housewives from Beverly Hills types, like get Rachel. She would, she would have been way better than any of them.

• 1:30:50Sean Fennessey?

  She would be great. She'd be a package, the two of you guys.

• 1:30:53Speaker 06

  We can do our own Traders in Bill's house.

• 1:30:55Chris Ryan?

  That's true. We could do Ringer Traders.

• 1:30:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:30:58Bill Simmons?

  It would be hilarious if it was like, Bill's taking a two month sabbatical. For what? What's he doing? He got on season five of Traders. Everything's shutting down.

• 1:31:08Sean Fennessey?

  I was watching it with Eileen and it did occur to me. I was like, I feel like Bill would be good at this.

• 1:31:11Chris Ryan?

  It would be better if you were like, you know what? I'm stepping away for mental health purposes. And then it was like six months later, Bill's on Traders.

• 1:31:19Bill Simmons?

  I have said to Carrie, I was.

• 1:31:20Chris Ryan?

  I'm just, I'm experiencing burnout, you know? I've done too many trade deadlines.

• 1:31:24Bill Simmons?

  Well, cause I remember anything everyone's ever said to me. I would never slip up with the, well, we took him out and then like, you said we, why'd you say we?

• 1:31:32Chris Ryan?

  You would never do that or you would?

• 1:31:34Bill Simmons?

  I would never do that.

• 1:31:35Chris Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 1:31:35Bill Simmons?

  I would just keep a low profile.

• 1:31:37Chris Ryan?

  What did Carrie say?

• 1:31:38Bill Simmons?

  I would never do the thing where it's like, why are we here for, with the, when they have sometimes the three traders are all eating breakfast first? And then the fourth person comes in and it's like, hey, like, why are you three here first? Are you the traders? I just would have immediately been suspicious. Yeah.

• 1:31:52Sean Fennessey?

  Sounds like maybe you want in.

• 1:31:54Bill Simmons?

  Is there a Traders All-Star Edition?

• 1:31:57Chris Ryan?

  Is that what you would want to go on?

• 1:31:58Bill Simmons?

  Maybe they could get me and Rachel.

• 1:32:00Bill Simmons?

  No, the one I couldn't do is Survivor. That's the one I've always wanted to do, but the contact ones is you're just, it's a deal breaker.

• 1:32:07Sean Fennessey?

  No food is increasingly an issue, too. I feel like, just like, it's been four days since I've had one bite of food. That's not, like, I don't, I can't do that these days.

• 1:32:15Bill Simmons?

  I've said this before, but my dream in life was, was always been for my wife to be on Survivor. Because after, if she doesn't eat for about 10 hours, she turns into Hannibal Lecter. And it would just, and she would win, they'd be trying to vote her off, but she would keep winning the challenges. They'd be like, fuck, we can't rid of Carrie. Then she'd be like, just like, the most menacing person on the planet.

• 1:32:35Chris Ryan?

  If Carrie won a reward, like, to go to, like, the Outback Steakhouse Hut, and she was like, none of you are fucking coming.

• 1:32:40Bill Simmons?

  I'm eating all the steak.

• 1:32:44Bill Simmons?

  Cruise or Hanks?

• 1:32:45Chris Ryan?

  Cruise.

• 1:32:46Sean Fennessey?

  Cruise.

• 1:32:48Bill Simmons?

  Cruise, easy win.

• 1:32:49Chris Ryan?

  If you could put another Bond actor in GoldenEye, who would you want?

• 1:32:56Sean Fennessey?

  Another Bond actor?

• 1:32:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, like, if you could have Connery Dalton, Lazenby Moore, or Craig in GoldenEye. Because I think GoldenEye, I was gonna say this for Prestige TV.

• 1:33:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:08Chris Ryan?

  I think it's got remake potential.

• 1:33:10Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:33:11Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 1:33:12Chris Ryan?

  I think that between the hacking stuff, you could have, like, some AI stuff. You have the EMP pulse thing, satellite.

• 1:33:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, we briefly mentioned it, but it'll also just Russia being, you know, the villain.

• 1:33:24Chris Ryan?

  And also the Trevithian thing, I think, would be really cool for them to explore.

• 1:33:27Sean Fennessey?

  That's interesting.

• 1:33:27Bill Simmons?

  We need to get one of the internet weirdos to figure out the Cruise or Hanks standings.

• 1:33:33Speaker 06

  I can do it.

• 1:33:34Bill Simmons?

  No, we just get it. Isn't there, like, a Rewatchables Reddit? Can't one of those people do it? I'll give them a shout out.

• 1:33:41Speaker 06

  Maybe they will now, but I have them all logged. Just gotta add them up.

• 1:33:44Bill Simmons?

  Who's winning, you think?

• 1:33:45Chris Ryan?

  Cruise, I bet.

• 1:33:46Speaker 06

  Cruise, yeah. Cruise is up, like, five or six, last time I checked.

• 1:33:49Bill Simmons?

  Oh, really?

• 1:33:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:33:51Sean Fennessey?

  You know what that means?

• 1:33:52Bill Simmons?

  Gonna have to start rigging it a little bit? Or we need another Cruise?

• 1:33:55Sean Fennessey?

  That's why you should go on Traitors, because my response was gonna be, that means I won the argument. And that means to you, you need to start cheating.

• 1:34:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:02Chris Ryan?

  It would be cool if, like, first one to 100, or whatever we're going for, and then it's like, the reward is Cruise or Hanks is on the pod.

• 1:34:12Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:34:13Bill Simmons?

  Cruise doing rewatchables would probably break all of our brains.

• 1:34:16Sean Fennessey?

  You know that Hanks can hang. With you, he was so good.

• 1:34:19Bill Simmons?

  We're about to have the new studio that will be able, will be able to do. You think that's what Cruise is waiting for? Yeah. Well, I would never, if we had Cruise, I would never wanna, we'd be like, oh, I can only have Chris or Sean. We can only do three. Like, we'd go four for Cruise.

• 1:34:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:33Bill Simmons?

  And I don't think any of us would talk the whole time. I think he would have so much energy. Would you make me do Wayne Jenkins in front of Cruise?

• 1:34:43Bill Simmons?

  Hey, man, that's a really good impression. Great job. I'd probably make you do somebody from one of his movies, like Rod Tidwell. Yeah. Oh, God, that would be.

• 1:34:52Sean Fennessey?

  As many black characters as you can do, you should do in front of Tom Cruise.

• 1:34:56Bill Simmons?

  Do Ving Rhames from Mission Impossible 3. Best hang, worst hang? Do you have either for this movie? I have best hang, Money Penny. She had, obviously, just a great, great hang. And then worst hang, Boris. Yeah. Probably reeks of cigarettes.

• 1:35:09Sean Fennessey?

  I can't do better than that.

• 1:35:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. They've never really figured out the kind of semi-evil computer hackers in movies. They always have to, like, have these crazy personalities and do a lot of typing and play with pens. They don't really know. Not a good movie, but Olafant in Live Free, Die Hard is probably the coolest hacker.

• 1:35:26Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good one. I enjoy Fisher Stevens in the movie Hackers.

• 1:35:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:30Sean Fennessey?

  He's pretty good in that.

• 1:35:31Bill Simmons?

  I've been scouting rewatchables movies, including Gone in 60 Seconds, which I watched recently, which is tremendous. Dude, it's awesome. I don't know what Olafant's in a completely different movie than everyone else in the movie. I don't know what he's doing in that movie. I love it. Movie, which is crazy to say. If you're in a different movie than Nick Cage already is. He's all the way over here, like, filming a pilot for FX with his character.

• 1:35:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's a pretty sick era for him, too. It's like, that's right after Go.

• 1:35:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah. We'll be doing that one. That's the point. Picking Nits. Mentioned already, not sure how James gets away from 100 Russian soldiers in the first scene from Close Quarters. It's basically like a room like this, and they all have machine guns. He gets out. Natalia, same thing with the explosion. The tank. I don't know. Can tanks do that? I'm gonna guess no.

• 1:36:14Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so.

• 1:36:15Chris Ryan?

  Also, like the, I know, like, slow is smooth and smooth is fast, but James Bond gets out of that tank very slowly as the train is approaching. He's kind of like, up here, and now I'm off the tracks and...

• 1:36:25Sean Fennessey?

  You ever been in a tank?

• 1:36:27Chris Ryan?

  Uh, you know what? I think I might have, in like a World War II museum or something.

• 1:36:33Sean Fennessey?

  Was it in Berlin?

• 1:36:35Chris Ryan?

  No, I don't remember where it was. Honestly, it might have been in Croatia. I might have been in a tank.

• 1:36:40Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 1:36:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, just keep it moving.

• 1:36:42Bill Simmons?

  I have Sean Bean, Sean Bean falling to his death, like 100 feet, and up, dying instantly.

• 1:36:48Chris Ryan?

  Not exploding?

• 1:36:49Bill Simmons?

  Ow, he's like, like, he's just dead.

• 1:36:52Chris Ryan?

  That being said...

• 1:36:53Bill Simmons?

  You hit the ground, you're dead.

• 1:36:54Chris Ryan?

  I love long fall paralyzed and then something falls on you.

• 1:36:59Sean Fennessey?

  I thought it was kind of funny that they purposely were like, he survived, whoops.

• 1:37:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's not surviving. Any else?

• 1:37:05Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Bond and Natalia in the plane over the fake lake where the dishes, they get hit by a missile and crash land into the jungle, and they are just like beautifully knocked out for five minutes, not eviscerated.

• 1:37:21Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I, some questions about that missile. Like, the missile basically acts as though it were like a boomerang. Like, it just like hits it and the plane catches on fire. It's like, it's a missile, it's supposed to explode and blow the plane up.

• 1:37:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:34Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of a weak, it's kind of a weak missile. I already mentioned just them not shooting Sean Bean, Sean Bean not shooting Bond in the face when Roshenko is hacking Natalia's code is insane.

• 1:37:44Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Doris Burke, or somebody else here?

• 1:37:49Chris Ryan?

  I'm working something out here. I'm thinking about bringing Zane Lowe into the rotation.

• 1:37:53Bill Simmons?

  For Bond?

• 1:37:54Chris Ryan?

  We've been scouting him for a while, scouting him ever since his Harry Styles interview. And, uh, just imagining him being like, James, you're back. And we couldn't even call it espionage because it's a journey. It's a journey about who you want to be as a spy. Golden eye looking down on us, but we're looking over at you. What do you have for us next? In this great piece of art that we call spoiling.

• 1:38:21Chris Ryan?

  I don't know if it's good yet. We're just, we're, we're...

• 1:38:24Sean Fennessey?

  That was out of control. I loved that. That was elite.

• 1:38:27Chris Ryan?

  I also love that when he's interviewing people, he's just like,

• 1:38:31Chris Ryan?

  Sean, who you are, who you've become, but where you come from, talk about it.

• 1:38:41Chris Ryan?

  I fucked the mic up.

• 1:38:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, don't ever look me in the eye like that again, please. That's probably why he gets such good stuff, you know?

• 1:38:49Bill Simmons?

  Zayn's my friend, which made me love that more.

• 1:38:51Chris Ryan?

  Juliette and I still have, I still have an MP3 on my phone that Juliette recorded.

• 1:38:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:56Chris Ryan?

  Of when Hello by Adele came out and he just goes, the return of the artist.

• 1:39:07Sean Fennessey?

  That was incredible. That was in Grantland days. I remember that well.

• 1:39:10Bill Simmons?

  That was my number one moment all time of I wish CR was here. Since I've known CR since 2010. Zayn rented a house in Malibu for one week and it was the house that was Neil's house in heat.

• 1:39:25Bill Simmons?

  And I walked in and I'm like, what's going on with this hat? Like I just had the feeling. No, yeah, it had furniture.

• 1:39:31Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:39:32Bill Simmons?

  But it was Zayn Lo, who you would have loved, but then we were in the Neil, Neil house. And I was like, if CR was here, I feel like he would have a stroke.

• 1:39:41Sean Fennessey?

  I'm recovering from Zayn Lo.

• 1:39:44Bill Simmons?

  That was great. Good addition. Fergie the florist and Zayn Lo.

• 1:39:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:47Bill Simmons?

  People said you couldn't top Wayne Jenkins.

• 1:39:49Chris Ryan?

  We're slowly moving some new guys in. It's gonna, it's gonna revitalize this pod.

• 1:39:54Bill Simmons?

  Just one Oscar who gets it. I don't know.

• 1:39:58Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Martin Campbell?

• 1:39:59Bill Simmons?

  Martin Campbell.

• 1:39:59Chris Ryan?

  Sure, best director.

• 1:40:00Sean Fennessey?

  I think.

• 1:40:01Bill Simmons?

  Special effects?

• 1:40:03Sean Fennessey?

  The stunt guy who did the bungee jump.

• 1:40:05Bill Simmons?

  Stunt, stunt. Probably an answerable questions. I have two, but if you guys have any, come on in.

• 1:40:12Chris Ryan?

  Uh, how does James Bond break up with women in between movies?

• 1:40:17Chris Ryan?

  You know, you get to the end, Natalia, him, like they've gone through several globetrotting adventures together.

• 1:40:23Bill Simmons?

  I think he gets bored after a couple of months, right?

• 1:40:25Speaker 06

  I don't think he breaks up with them. He definitely ghosts them. He just kind of stops responding.

• 1:40:28Chris Ryan?

  It's like, oh yeah, it's like, sorry babe, it's espionage.

• 1:40:31Sean Fennessey?

  This one did have me thinking of James Bond as gay though, for real. Cause like he won't commit, he's got incredible chemistry with all these guys. Jack Wade shows up and they're like bosom buddies right away.

• 1:40:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Sean Fennessey?

  Obviously he and Sean Bean, they spent a lot of time together, right?

• 1:40:44Bill Simmons?

  Well, what was the Daniel Craig one where they were like? There's some subs text in this entire movie.

• 1:40:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of in every movie.

• 1:40:51Chris Ryan?

  It's Bardem, it's Skyfall.

• 1:40:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, and Bardem is playing that very like.

• 1:40:54Chris Ryan?

  They're basically like opening his shirt and he's just like, let's go.

• 1:40:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Uh, you know, kind of the origins of that a little bit. Why can't you just get, lock it down, you know, commit?

• 1:41:05Bill Simmons?

  I have two. Could you actually kill somebody by squeezing your legs around them? If you're a six foot Dutch model slash Russian assassin?

• 1:41:13Chris Ryan?

  Let's find out.

• 1:41:15Bill Simmons?

  Just trying to think, like, how would this really go?

• 1:41:18Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, I would like to find out. I don't think I would enjoy that.

• 1:41:20Bill Simmons?

  So your ribs would have to cave?

• 1:41:22Sean Fennessey?

  Being squeezed in that way?

• 1:41:23Chris Ryan?

  Even if, like, the prospect of having sex with Zena-

• 1:41:25Bill Simmons?

  Actually, what am I doing? We have crack here. This is why you're here. This is, you've definitely thought about this.

• 1:41:30Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:41:31Bill Simmons?

  Crush the ribs in?

• 1:41:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:33Bill Simmons?

  You'd have to, like, split a kidney or a liver at that point?

• 1:41:36Sean Fennessey?

  Internal bleeding?

• 1:41:36Bill Simmons?

  One of the ribs would have to split something.

• 1:41:37Sean Fennessey?

  Probably internal bleeding from the, all the broken ribs.

• 1:41:39Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I thought it was just, like, suffocating him.

• 1:41:41Sean Fennessey?

  No, I think it's broken ribs.

• 1:41:42Bill Simmons?

  Broken ribs splicing an organ, I think, would be how it went.

• 1:41:45Sean Fennessey?

  Would you like it if she sat on your face?

• 1:41:48Chris Ryan?

  What?

• 1:41:52Bill Simmons?

  Uh, here's my other one. Joe Don Baker. So if he's just Joe Baker?

• 1:41:56Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:41:57Bill Simmons?

  It's fine. Joe Don Baker now becomes like one of the coolest names you could have in a movie. So why don't other people just put, like, could Chris be Chris Don Ryan?

• 1:42:07Sean Fennessey?

  Some of your best work. I'm floored.

• 1:42:09Bill Simmons?

  Sean Don Fantasy and Chris Don Ryan.

• 1:42:10Chris Ryan?

  Sean Don Fantasy?

• 1:42:12Bill Simmons?

  Craig Don Horlebeck. I could be Bill Don Simmons.

• 1:42:15Sean Fennessey?

  I'm ecstatic right now.

• 1:42:17Bill Simmons?

  Throw Don's in anything.

• 1:42:19Chris Ryan?

  Sean Dalton Fantasy and Chris Don Ryan? Yeah.

• 1:42:22Bill Simmons?

  Chris Don Ryan's here. It's just for something about the Don just makes it move really nicely.

• 1:42:27Sean Fennessey?

  I think I will legally change my name now. That is undeniable.

• 1:42:31Chris Ryan?

  I would, I would have a kid just to name him, like, C.D. Chris Don.

• 1:42:36Bill Simmons?

  And did his pa- was he Joseph Donald Baker?

• 1:42:39Chris Ryan?

  I'm sure.

• 1:42:39Bill Simmons?

  And he just became Joe Don? Or were his parents like, you're Joe Don Baker?

• 1:42:42Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know, but I-

• 1:42:43Chris Ryan?

  Let's find out.

• 1:42:44Sean Fennessey?

  It seems possible that there's a SAG card issue there where there was already a Joe Baker in SAG.

• 1:42:48Chris Ryan?

  Wikipedia just has him as Joe Don Baker.

• 1:42:50Sean Fennessey?

  That's it. That's just his whole name.

• 1:42:52Bill Simmons?

  I think it was like a southern, like, this is just your name.

• 1:42:54Sean Fennessey?

  Joe Don.

• 1:42:54Bill Simmons?

  It's like Billy Joe. Joe Don.

• 1:42:56Chris Ryan?

  That's it. Grobsbeck, Texas.

• 1:42:58Bill Simmons?

  Chris Don Ryan.

• 1:42:59Chris Ryan?

  His mother's name was Edna McDonald. So perhaps Don from there?

• 1:43:03Bill Simmons?

  Mm, oh, yeah.

• 1:43:04Sean Fennessey?

  Could see that.

• 1:43:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:05Bill Simmons?

  Joe Don Baker. What a name. It's like, cause the other one who is kind of like the discount Joe Don Baker was Wings Hauser?

• 1:43:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:43:13Bill Simmons?

  And Wings Hauser, another great name.

• 1:43:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Was that his real first name?

• 1:43:17Bill Simmons?

  That, does it matter?

• 1:43:18Sean Fennessey?

  No. Wings Hauser was elite.

• 1:43:19Bill Simmons?

  Wings Hauser, Cole Hauser's dad? Yeah.

• 1:43:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yes.

• 1:43:23Bill Simmons?

  Yes.

• 1:43:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:25Chris Ryan?

  I guess I never thought about it.

• 1:43:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:26Chris Ryan?

  God damn.

• 1:43:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:28Chris Ryan?

  That's Rip's dad?

• 1:43:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:30Chris Ryan?

  God damn it.

• 1:43:30Sean Fennessey?

  What's going on with Cole Hauser's character in that world?

• 1:43:33Chris Ryan?

  Uh, he is on the not The Madison, which is the Michelle Pfeiffer Kurt Russell spinoff.

• 1:43:39Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:43:39Chris Ryan?

  It's another spinoff.

• 1:43:40Bill Simmons?

  Did that start yet? He's not on Madison?

• 1:43:42Chris Ryan?

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:43:43Sean Fennessey?

  Did The Madison start yet?

• 1:43:44Chris Ryan?

  No, it starts in March. But it's supposed to be like, kind of like a romance, like a sentimental.

• 1:43:49Bill Simmons?

  Get ready for some sad staring out into the sun sunset and some fly fishing feels like. I I'm excited.

• 1:43:55Sean Fennessey?

  How do you feel about your never was Michelle Pfeiffer getting involved in the Sheridan verse?

• 1:44:01Bill Simmons?

  It's it was tough. When she made that weird Amazon movie, I was like, we need Sheridan to bring this back.

• 1:44:05Chris Ryan?

  It's just always strange when somebody is not on stuff for a while and then they have two shows at the same time. So she's gonna have an Apple show and a Paramount show at the same time, pretty much.

• 1:44:13Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:44:14Bill Simmons?

  My dad was upset about Landman.

• 1:44:16Chris Ryan?

  Why?

• 1:44:17Bill Simmons?

  He thought it was a four episodes stretched into ten. Once once Sheridan really doubled down on season three.

• 1:44:23Chris Ryan?

  I agree with your father.

• 1:44:24Bill Simmons?

  By the way, Sheridan, some of the stuff that came out, Sheridan's like, yeah, we're we're taking the we're taking Corners back next season.

• 1:44:33Chris Ryan?

  What do you, how do you know that?

• 1:44:33Sean Fennessey?

  Corners back from whom?

• 1:44:34Bill Simmons?

  I read an article.

• 1:44:35Chris Ryan?

  Oh, and he was like, I see you guys out here doubting Landman.

• 1:44:38Bill Simmons?

  He's getting more involved in season three, yeah.

• 1:44:40Chris Ryan?

  Didn't he write every episode of season two?

• 1:44:41Sean Fennessey?

  Who was making season two?

• 1:44:42Bill Simmons?

  Did he? Did he?

• 1:44:44Chris Ryan?

  Wow. Bill's breaking news.

• 1:44:46Sean Fennessey?

  But doesn't he?

• 1:44:47Bill Simmons?

  Did he write season three or season two?

• 1:44:50Sean Fennessey?

  But doesn't he like control the entire wor- like that whole world?

• 1:44:54Bill Simmons?

  Does he?

• 1:44:55Chris Ryan?

  Who does?

• 1:44:55Bill Simmons?

  He's doing six shows at the same time.

• 1:44:58Sean Fennessey?

  Who are you defending?

• 1:45:00Chris Ryan?

  Taylor Sheridan.

• 1:45:01Bill Simmons?

  I think Taylor Sheridan's taking back his Corners next year. I think they know that was a weak season two.

• 1:45:05Sean Fennessey?

  Got it, okay.

• 1:45:05Chris Ryan?

  Okay, I think that the the other side of that argument is that it it might be a little bit of a twilight for those shows because he's going to Universal in a couple of years and he's not gonna be wasting good ideas and good energy on them.

• 1:45:17Sean Fennessey?

  I've seen one episode.

• 1:45:17Bill Simmons?

  I think he's more of a professional than that.

• 1:45:19Chris Ryan?

  Okay, great.

• 1:45:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:20Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:45:20Sean Fennessey?

  You think he will not mail it in?

• 1:45:22Bill Simmons?

  No. No.

• 1:45:24Chris Ryan?

  Good.

• 1:45:24Bill Simmons?

  Plus, he's on the limitless drug. He can't mail it in. He's just creating shit left and right.

• 1:45:30Sean Fennessey?

  Number sixteen. Um, do you think he uses ChatGPT?

• 1:45:40Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. I would, that feels like a negative thing to say like, yes, I do. My question is, do all screenwriters kind of dabble?

• 1:45:48Chris Ryan?

  It's a tool.

• 1:45:49Bill Simmons?

  Do screenwriters dabble in it?

• 1:45:50Chris Ryan?

  I'm not gonna tell Shakespeare he can't use a typewriter.

• 1:45:52Sean Fennessey?

  This is great, because you were like, there's way too much workplace sexual harassment stuff in GoldenEye, but I will not speak on whether or not Taylor Sheridan uses.

• 1:46:00Bill Simmons?

  I just don't know. I don't know the process of screenwriting and like whether that stuff is helpful or it messes you up.

• 1:46:08Sean Fennessey?

  I think people say that it is helpful. He's cranking out a lot of material.

• 1:46:12Chris Ryan?

  It's true.

• 1:46:13Bill Simmons?

  That's why I said the limitless drug.

• 1:46:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:17Bill Simmons?

  What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie CR?

• 1:46:19Chris Ryan?

  I would like a functional, mint-conditioned Nintendo 64 and a mint-conditioned version of GoldenEye 07.

• 1:46:27Bill Simmons?

  Wow, incredible. That's gotta be like a $5,000 thing.

• 1:46:29Chris Ryan?

  I still have my N64. Can I come over? Yeah. Okay.

• 1:46:32Sean Fennessey?

  You wanna go back to being an unmarried layabout in a New York City apartment?

• 1:46:36Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:46:38Bill Simmons?

  Listening to Wu-Tang Clan.

• 1:46:39Chris Ryan?

  Listening to the iron flag.

• 1:46:43Bill Simmons?

  I didn't have an answer for this. I don't know if I'd want any memorabilia from this movie.

• 1:46:46Sean Fennessey?

  Aston Martin's pretty cool.

• 1:46:47Bill Simmons?

  But that's weird.

• 1:46:48Chris Ryan?

  We don't do cars.

• 1:46:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:49Chris Ryan?

  The pen?

• 1:46:50Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the pen's good.

• 1:46:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Boris's pen, yeah.

• 1:46:53Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award for Best Life Lesson. I will either offer you, "Half of everything is luck, James." Thought that was solid. Governments change, the lies stay the same.

• 1:47:04Chris Ryan?

  There you go.

• 1:47:05Bill Simmons?

  Bingo.

• 1:47:05Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:47:07Bill Simmons?

  Bingo.

• 1:47:08Sean Fennessey?

  What's aged the best?

• 1:47:09Bill Simmons?

  Best double feature choice?

• 1:47:11Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I had a couple. I did, I did, I did include Moonraker. Because I think like Bond stretching for the limits is a theme of this movie. I also had Lawnmower Man for an early look at Pierce Brosnan. That also includes kind of hacking virtual worlds. Kind of not, that's some movies not really thought of as a Pierce Brosnan movie, but it is.

• 1:47:33Bill Simmons?

  Well, we're trying to do Netflix movies that they, that they have to try to team them up with rewatchables and Moonraker.

• 1:47:41Bill Simmons?

  I wouldn't do it like in the next two months, but Moonraker is one that I've. It would be a really funny like dead, dead week. Like this is just hilarious. That movie's hilarious. I can't believe that movie happened.

• 1:47:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's really funny.

• 1:47:51Bill Simmons?

  You mentioned in a previous episode about this like overreaction to Star Wars where people kind of lost their minds for two years. And that's how Moonraker, they basically did James Bond in outer space. It's fucking nuts. I can't believe it happened.

• 1:48:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's entertaining though.

• 1:48:04Bill Simmons?

  It is entertaining. It's good, but it's also crazy and stupid. What if we just did fucking Bond movies for like the rest of the year? I don't know. I could, we definitely could have done a month. Yeah. We could have, if we, if I did this over again, I might even think like we could have done Goldfinger. We could have won for me, Jared. Mm hmm. But.

• 1:48:23Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's the best way to do it. I think once you start getting into like the third Roger Moore movie, it's very redundant. Like it gets very samey.

• 1:48:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Roger Moore, TV actor.

• 1:48:31Sean Fennessey?

  Wow. Shots fired.

• 1:48:33Bill Simmons?

  He's, he, he has not held up, I don't think, as well as some of the other Bonds.

• 1:48:37Sean Fennessey?

  That's the, that's the famous, uh, famous Sean Penn diss on Michael J. Fox. You know that story? When he's about to do that scene, casualties of war, and he gets up right next to his ear and he goes, TV actor. And then he walks away from it.

• 1:48:51Bill Simmons?

  Say, come on, man. I'm trying to do Michael J. Fox. I can't do it. Not bad. Uh, who won the movie? Uh, Pierce Brosnan.

• 1:48:57Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed.

• 1:48:59Bill Simmons?

  I think so too. I think you could argue the Bond franchise because it re, re, reinvigorated too.

• 1:49:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I could see that.

• 1:49:06Bill Simmons?

  All right, Craig. Goldeneye.

• 1:49:08Speaker 06

  Had never seen it. I've only seen the Daniel Craig Bond movies. Really liked those. I thought this was better and worse than I expected.

• 1:49:15Sean Fennessey?

  How so?

• 1:49:16Speaker 06

  It was worse in that it was, it's, it's, it was odd going from seeing the Austin Powers movies, which they are parodying. It was weird going from the parody to what they were parodying in order of watching them.

• 1:49:28Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:28Speaker 06

  So it was kind of odd how silly and whimsical this movie was. I kind of was too colored by the Daniel Craig Bonds, which are way darker and more serious. Didn't really realize Bond was so whimsical. Like when they're down with Q and the guy's like in the phone booth and like the airbag goes off and he's like stuck, you know, the guy in the background. Things like that. It was just way sillier and seeing Austin Powers do it. I don't know if it kind of hurt or affected the way I interpreted this movie. And yet. Just like so fun, old school, like movie escapism. This is what you go to the movies for. Hot people sprawling, going to countries, fancy cities. You're in casinos. Like, it's super fun. I think the, I thought the first 12 minutes, I, I watched the first 12 minutes. The Tina Turner song plays. I paused it. I went into the other, I went into the bedroom.

• 1:50:13Speaker 06

  I was like, Liz, you gotta watch this movie with me. I think you'll like it. She came out, I restarted it. We rewatched the first 12 minutes and then we watched the movie and it's super fun. But yeah, it's weird. The Austin Powers stuff, you're like, oh, this is incredibly ridiculous.

• 1:50:25Chris Ryan?

  It must be hard. Yeah.

• 1:50:26Bill Simmons?

  One other thing with Bond movies, great date movie.

• 1:50:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're so fun.

• 1:50:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like an old school. I don't know if you born identity is as much of like a date movie is. Well, that's more of a solo excursion for you.

• 1:50:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:37Chris Ryan?

  That's, that's planned Golden Eye by myself.

• 1:50:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, hand down your pants. Yeah. That's it for the Golden Eye rewatch.

• 1:50:43Chris Ryan?

  Thanks for having us.

• 1:50:44Bill Simmons?

  CR, thank you. Thank you. Fancy, thank you. Craig and Gao, thank you. And we'll be back next week.

• 1:51:01Bill Simmons?

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