‘Die Hard With a Vengeance’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan are called back to action to play a lethal game of Simon Says. The guys put down their five-gallon jugs and cover the 1995 action classic ‘Die Hard With a Vengeance,’ starring Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson, and Jeremy Irons. Producers: Jack Sanders and Ronak Nair Shopping. Streaming. Savings. It’s on Prime Visit Amazon.com/prime to get more out of whatever you’re into. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00Bill Simmons?

  The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find Chris Ryan on The Watch, sometimes on The Big Picture, on about 12 other Ringer podcasts, including...

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Higher Learning.

• 1:14Bill Simmons?

  It happened. You somehow got invited to Higher Learning before me.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  On Juneteenth. Very special.

• 1:20Bill Simmons?

  Best episode of the year?

• 1:21Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 1:22Bill Simmons?

  Did Rachel know who Chris Ryan was?

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Rachel wasn't there. She didn't know who he was.

• 1:27Bill Simmons?

  Does Rachel know who Chris Ryan is?

• 1:28Chris Ryan?

  She doesn't.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  No, she doesn't. But she will know on Monday as we crown the face of the Ringer.

• 1:34Bill Simmons?

  The face of the Ringer is happening.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  The face of the Ringer argument. Chris Ryan was a part of it. You're one of the four finalists.

• 1:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, congratulations.

• 1:40Bill Simmons?

  That's great.

• 1:43Chris Ryan?

  For what it's worth, I said you're the face of the Ringer.

• 1:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh, thanks, Chris.

• 1:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49Chris Ryan?

  You got just 10% more Boston.

• 1:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:53Chris Ryan?

  Right now. Oh, yeah, I'm on Face of the Ringer?

• 1:55Bill Simmons?

  Am I?

• 1:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56Bill Simmons?

  You can ask her, Van, on The Ringer Verse.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Ringer Verse.

• 2:01Bill Simmons?

  On The Midnight Boys.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  With you.

• 2:03Bill Simmons?

  And sometimes here. My name is Bill Simmons, and it is still New York month. Very few New York movies more New York than Die Hard with a Vengeance, and that's what we're covering next.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  On a bad day. He's the best there is.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  On May 19th. McLean is back.

• 2:34Speaker 04

  You got a AAA card? Bruce Willis, Die Hard. This time with a vengeance. Rated R.

• 2:43Bill Simmons?

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• 3:33Bill Simmons?

  I'm just gonna read the Wikipedia description of this movie. That like the Grok thing? That they tells you like the AI spits it out.

• 3:43Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 3:44Bill Simmons?

  Detective John McLean, parentheses, Bruce Willis, is now divorced, alcoholic and jobless after getting fired for his reckless behavior and bad attitude.

• 3:54Bill Simmons?

  That's the first sentence. Reckless, divorced and an alcoholic and no job? Injected into my veins.

• 4:00Chris Ryan?

  The quadruple crown.

• 4:02Bill Simmons?

  When has it ever not worked? In real life? It's like, hey, having the birthday party, John McLean's coming over. Don't let him drive. In a movie, he can just defuse a terrorist attack and it's fine.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, in real life, John's getting drunk at the birthday party, whipping out his nine millimeter.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Boom, boom, boom. But in the movie, it's perfect.

• 4:24Chris Ryan?

  Has John McClane ever come to a birthday party not covered in grease and blood, wearing a tank top?

• 4:30Bill Simmons?

  In real life, John McClane is hanging out with the guy who was killed that led to the Karen Reed trial.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:36Bill Simmons?

  It is, he's on the third floor.

• 4:39Chris Ryan?

  Wait a second, it's like, it is literally 110 seconds.

• 4:44Bill Simmons?

  It's like, oh no, John McClane's here. Oh, he's getting into it with John O'Keefe.

• 4:50Chris Ryan?

  He's texting his buddies, being like, make sure you plant the evidence.

• 4:54Bill Simmons?

  How long does it take a body to freeze? Um, anyway, John McClane, in movies, it's fine.

• 5:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:01Bill Simmons?

  His life really fell apart. Here's my, here's my first question. Let's start here before we get into the movie. So John McClane saves the Nakatomi Building, prevents an incredible terrorist attack, and then doubles down and saves everybody in the airport in Chicago.

• 5:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:18Bill Simmons?

  How is this guy not at least Captain Sully at this point?

• 5:21Chris Ryan?

  I mean, this is a-

• 5:22Bill Simmons?

  What else did he have to do?

• 5:23Chris Ryan?

  Do you think that this is one of the greatest testaments to the power of the internet to create celebrities out of, out of nothing? I mean, I, to be fair, this guy would have a documentary made about him in 2000 or whatever.

• 5:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. What, yeah, what is his, in real life, if you do those two things, what do your next 30 years look like? I feel like you have a, like, you're at least, what was that guy, John Walsh, the America's Most Wanted guy? You're at least hosting a show like that, just getting massive paychecks. Do you have a morning talk show?

• 5:52Speaker 02

  You probably do. You know, Fox News is starting to bubble at that time. He's probably got a show on there. He's their law enforcement guy. But you have to remember.

• 6:03Chris Ryan?

  He's smoking on Fox News.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Him and Bill O'Reilly were bringing in John McClane to tell us. But you have to remember, also, this was the era of, remember Eddie Murphy left, Axel Foley left Detroit and went and basically solved two gigantic capers.

• 6:19Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  But he was a outcast.

• 6:21Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  So maybe they look at John McClane as somebody who went against the grain too much by saving people's lives in Los Angeles. They shouldn't have been done it. He was out of his jurisdiction.

• 6:32Bill Simmons?

  You saved us too much money and too many lives.

• 6:34Chris Ryan?

  Isn't this actually, we could really map this out. All of the sequels find our favorite characters in a place in their lives you'd never guess. Like, how is Pete Mitchell not at least Chuck Yeager? By Top Gun Maverick? Instead, he's like, I'm fixing old planes? No, you would be probably like, he would be on the cover of a Wheaties box.

• 6:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, would have, like Val Kilmer, would have happened to him with Iceman, should have at least happened with Maverick.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  That is, I guess, why our protagonists are our protagonists.

• 7:04Chris Ryan?

  Cause they're complicated.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Right, they're complicated and flawed in a way that keep them in the bubble that we need them to be in to make the movies work.

• 7:11Bill Simmons?

  All right, counter, Captain Sully, random pilot, lands the plane in the water. That's it. They make a Tom Hanks movie about him? Like, that's one of the things with these movies, nobody makes a movie about John McClane.

• 7:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:25Bill Simmons?

  That actually would have been a better Die Hard 3. Is them making the John McClane movie about Die Hard 1, and then there's a terrorist.

• 7:31Chris Ryan?

  I'll take it a step further, why can't Holly move back from Los Angeles?

• 7:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 7:36Chris Ryan?

  Has this guy not been through enough?

• 7:37Speaker 02

  That, that's one of my picking nits. I will say something about Sully, though, is that actually happened in real life. So he actually saved, like, actual, like, 200 people.

• 7:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  So John McClane is a fictional character, so.

• 7:52Bill Simmons?

  Noted.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  So, so Sully's celebrity actually comes from actually.

• 7:56Bill Simmons?

  But this is what happens in real life if somebody does something like that.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:59Bill Simmons?

  Now it's like.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  It should have happened in the Die Hard.

• 8:01Bill Simmons?

  John McClane's at least doing $75,000 speaking gigs all over the world about the two times he saved the world.

• 8:08Chris Ryan?

  If this was a contemporary story, what would happen is John McClane would do this, we would all get like, goddamn, this is really what we need for America right now. And then somebody would discover his weird Facebook posts from 2021, where he's like, I'm not wearing a fucking mask!

• 8:23Chris Ryan?

  And we'd be like, no, John McClane's not allowed to even be a security guard.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  His inward tapes, Zeus is one of my best friends!

• 8:29Bill Simmons?

  Right. Yeah, so if this, so after he saved Chicago, it turns out there's some frat photo of him in 1978.

• 8:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:37Bill Simmons?

  That's not good. And then that kind of.

• 8:40Chris Ryan?

  Dressed as Richard Pryor.

• 8:41Bill Simmons?

  Sent him backwards.

• 8:41Chris Ryan?

  That's what we're trying to say.

• 8:42Bill Simmons?

  I just, my biggest pet peeve with all these movies we love is. That especially with the sequels that they just discount how amazing it would be for somebody to have pulled off the feat they did.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Isn't there also a chance that John, this is the only time that John is competent? Because when we first see John, he can't even get his shit together. He's got, but then as soon as the adventure is on, he's like really Jason Bourne in this movie. In this movie, he's one, I mean, obviously the original Die Hard as well. He's one step ahead of them at all time. He's making evaluations. He, when Zeus has, he's, John is like, oh, real quick. Boom, boom, mix the thing, load the thing up. He is really.

• 9:26Bill Simmons?

  He's got jokes.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, the whole.

• 9:28Chris Ryan?

  But the best part about Bruce Willis is he still gets scared.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:31Chris Ryan?

  The best part about Bruce Willis is like when he's getting out of that police van in the beginning in Harlem. He's like, don't worry, I'll be dead in four minutes.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:38Chris Ryan?

  Like, he's like, I'm still like sweating out beer and I need a cigarette and I need aspirin and I'm, I'm, I know I'm gonna die. Like, this kind of character needs to have almost nothing to lose to do the things that they do.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Or one of my favorite small parts of the movie is when they get to the park and the bomb's there. And he goes, yeah, there's a bomb there. Why don't you go ahead and grab it?

• 10:04Speaker 02

  So why don't you go ahead and grab the bomb? Zeus goes, why would I grab it? He goes, yo, Simon said you're supposed to be helping out. He told you to help me go grab the bomb. It's funny. He doesn't want to grab it. It's funny.

• 10:15Bill Simmons?

  Did you see this in the theater?

• 10:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I saw it in the theater this weekend, actually, but I saw it in the theater when it came out. Yeah.

• 10:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I remember my excitement level was a 10 out of 10. And I remember being slightly disappointed by the last like half hour.

• 10:28Chris Ryan?

  Sure. It helps that.

• 10:30Bill Simmons?

  Being like, first hour, great, fell apart near the end, still had a good time, not as good as Die Hard. And then I think over the next 30 years, the first 75, 80 minutes is so rewatchable. It's just kind of took another life.

• 10:45Chris Ryan?

  I, I think like literally like up through the school evacuation, it's like one of the best blockbusters ever made.

• 10:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:50Chris Ryan?

  It's one of the best action movies ever made, one of the best New York movies ever made, one of the best summer movies ever made.

• 10:55Bill Simmons?

  It's, it just checks all the boxes. The first 80 minutes is unassailable and like so many other great ones, it can't sustain it.

• 11:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:03Bill Simmons?

  And we'll go into some of the alternate ending and and stuff like that, but holy, I love that. It just starts. We're just going.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:11Bill Simmons?

  We have an explosion within 90 seconds and we're and we're off and they don't spend a lot of time with McLean. It's just clear. He's a complete fuck up and his life is falling apart and then we're off. Let's go.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Premise heavy. Like this guy is fucking with McLean. We don't know why. But that doesn't matter because McLean is in imminent danger in every single scene. He has to find his way out of it. And the story kind of orients itself around that. I went to see it in the theater, but I remember not being as excited. Because I was kind of getting off the old action star guys. I think this is after the last action hero.

• 11:47Bill Simmons?

  This is the tail end of that era.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so I remember going to see the movie and being like, oh my God. But that was much, much better than I expected it to be. It had the same kinetic energy of the first film, but you know, Eraser and other movies like that. Maybe Eraser is a year after this, or maybe it's the same.

• 12:05Bill Simmons?

  It is. No, it's True Lies was right before this.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Well, True Lies was.

• 12:10Bill Simmons?

  Cliffhanger was right before this. We had like the the action guys from the eighties and early nineties had like one last run here. Through 95 and then 96, it starts to flip. We get daylight with Stallone. We get Eraser. Van Damme kind of falls apart. Who, uh, Arnold's pretty much done after 90. Seagal's done. And then, uh, Stallone after daylight, then he gains the weight for Copland. So it's just, this is kind of the last movie.

• 12:37Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, I was, I was actually where you were probably like, you know, and then the second Die Hard is done by Rennie Harland. And it's like, it's really, really good. We've, and if you watch it over and over again, it's a awesome action movie.

• 12:48Bill Simmons?

  We did the rewatchables. It's discounted.

• 12:50Chris Ryan?

  But the crucial movie for Die Hard with Vengeance is Pulp Fiction.

• 12:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Chris Ryan?

  Because when you find out Sam Jackson's going to be in this movie and you find out Bruce Willis is going to be in this movie. And then you see the trailer and you watch it and you're like, oh, it's this kind of movie. And it's funny and it's referential and it's like fast paced, but it's like, it feels the most real of all the diehards because of the way that people interact.

• 13:10Bill Simmons?

  It's a crucial point. And the Sam Jackson is the crucial part of this movie because. He's bouncing around for years and years, Pulp happens, and then within a year, he's in this movie. And that was the appeal for me in 1995, was one of my worst years. Be like, Bruce.

• 13:29Chris Ryan?

  One of your worst years?

• 13:30Bill Simmons?

  Not a lot going on.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Say more.

• 13:33Bill Simmons?

  I'm just like, you know.

• 13:34Chris Ryan?

  Tendin Bar.

• 13:35Speaker 02

  Oh, wait a minute.

• 13:37Bill Simmons?

  Just trying, trying to get shit going.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Who was she?

• 13:39Bill Simmons?

  No, trying to get shit going. This is my last year at that, last year at the Herald.

• 13:44Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 13:44Bill Simmons?

  Trying to think like, maybe this sports writer thing's not gonna work out. We talked about this in another pod.

• 13:49Chris Ryan?

  Celtics, like what was it?

• 13:50Bill Simmons?

  Reggie Lewis is dead, Celtics are a mess.

• 13:52Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:53Bill Simmons?

  Red Sox are a mess.

• 13:54Chris Ryan?

  Troy, Troy and Troy.

• 13:56Bill Simmons?

  This is when Boston became Loserville.

• 13:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:59Bill Simmons?

  But it was like, Bruce Willis and Sam Jackson, this would be fun on a Friday.

• 14:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Could've hit you hard right there. I let it go. Boston Loserville thing, I could've hit you hard.

• 14:09Bill Simmons?

  The 90s were bad.

• 14:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:10Bill Simmons?

  Then it turned.

• 14:13Bill Simmons?

  Sam Jackson has this run from Pulp where he just is in like five movies a year. But some of those movies were Die Hard 3, Time to Kill. Yes, it deserves to die. I hope to burn in hell!

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Alright, Bill.

• 14:28Bill Simmons?

  Long kiss, goodnight.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  June 10th was yesterday.

• 14:31Bill Simmons?

  Jackie Brown, Star Wars remake. All of a sudden, he's like an A-plus lister.

• 14:36Chris Ryan?

  Not a remake, but yeah.

• 14:37Bill Simmons?

  Whatever.

• 14:38Chris Ryan?

  Prequel.

• 14:39Bill Simmons?

  What was it?

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Keep doing the thing.

• 14:42Bill Simmons?

  Well, it's just that was it. All of a sudden, he was an A-plus lister.

• 14:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Bill Simmons?

  And it made perfect sense that he was right next to Bruce Willis in what basically is Lethal Weapon. This is, let's, we gotta at least address that this is basically Lethal Weapon's movie.

• 14:55Chris Ryan?

  This script was acquired to be a Lethal Weapon movie.

• 14:58Bill Simmons?

  It was supposed to be Lethal Weapon 4. It somehow went and turned around. 20th Century Fox bought it, it became this movie. But you could easily have seen Gibson and Glover in this, I think.

• 15:09Chris Ryan?

  I could, but I'm glad that it's this and I would put these guys up against those guys.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  On Sam Jackson, has anyone taken advantage and rode the kinetic energy into the beginning of a career? Not the beginning of a career, into the renaissance of a career like him. He was able to balance taking parts where he was with more established actors like Bruce Willis.

• 15:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  With really weighty secondary roles with new stars like Matthew McConaughey. Properties like Star Wars. He seemingly had a complete vision of how he wanted to start his golden era. And it really what kind of solidified him for the next like thirty or forty. Like every single movie was something interesting and had some kind of quality.

• 15:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, maybe it's because it didn't happen early for him.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:59Chris Ryan?

  So he just like knew when the window opened, I'm jumping through it.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:03Chris Ryan?

  So and I know exactly how to do this now.

• 16:05Bill Simmons?

  He's the toughest one for the rewatchables actor rankings. Cause I think this is like his 10th rewatchables.

• 16:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:12Bill Simmons?

  But like six of them, he's barely in the movie.

• 16:14Chris Ryan?

  Right, like Goodfellas.

• 16:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, like he's in, not only is he in Goodfellas, he's in Coming to America as Hold Up Man.

• 16:19Chris Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 16:20Bill Simmons?

  He's in Do the Right Thing. We did that one. He's in Sea of Love in 1989 as Black Guy.

• 16:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Bill Simmons?

  Like you look at some of his.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  That's what he's credited as?

• 16:29Bill Simmons?

  This is Black Guy. Um, you go through his things, Magic Sticks.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  Is that what you credit me as?

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Is that what, is that what I am?

• 16:40Bill Simmons?

  He's like in Magic Sticks, he plays bum. You go like it's just.

• 16:45Chris Ryan?

  It's fucked up.

• 16:46Bill Simmons?

  But anyway.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  But seriously though, by the time Pulp Fiction comes, it kind of, and this doesn't happen as much as it used to, at least not for me. By the time Pulp Fiction comes, you go, oh, okay, it's, it's, it's time for him now. But by the time that, because I had seen him.

• 16:58Bill Simmons?

  But it wasn't probable though. This is like an NBA player at age thirty becoming a star.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  I'm not saying that it wasn't improbable, but I had seen him, you leave like Jungle Fever, he was in almost everything that Spike had done.

• 17:09Bill Simmons?

  Exorcise, Exorcist three, he plays Dream Blind Man.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 17:13Bill Simmons?

  But yeah, Jungle Fever.

• 17:14Chris Ryan?

  He's actually quite good in Exorcist three, it's a brief part.

• 17:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 17:17Chris Ryan?

  Dream Blind Man.

• 17:18Bill Simmons?

  Jungle Fever is when I think he goes on the radar in 91. Where people are like, oh, this guy.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  Death by Temptation, one of my favorite horror movies. He's just, he's in all of these films.

• 17:27Bill Simmons?

  Juice?

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Juice.

• 17:28Bill Simmons?

  Ninety two.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  One scene in Juice, maybe two.

• 17:30Bill Simmons?

  He's in Patriots game in 92.

• 17:32Chris Ryan?

  When's Fresh?

• 17:34Speaker 02

  A little bit later, so that's like ninety five, ninety four, ninety five, maybe even ninety six.

• 17:39Bill Simmons?

  Then in ninety three, Menace to Society, Jurassic Park, True Romance, Fresh in ninety four.

• 17:46Chris Ryan?

  Ninety four.

• 17:46Bill Simmons?

  And Night to Pulp Fiction. But he's been in like nine or ten rewatchables movies.

• 17:50Chris Ryan?

  I can't remember whether Fresh came out before or after Pulp Fiction, but I remember being blown away by him in Fresh.

• 17:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So it's, so, and you know, everyone knows the story. He had a lot of issues. He had a lot of drug stuff and then cleaned up. And by the nineties, and then all of a sudden, he's, I mean, I can't even imagine how much money he's made.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:09Bill Simmons?

  He's been in so many movies. He's been in thirty plus years of movies constantly. Lot of big blockbusters. He's always figured out a way to get an Iron Man or a Star Wars in there. Plus, he's been the lead in stuff.

• 18:20Chris Ryan?

  He was, he was in like every Marvel movie for ten years, basically, right?

• 18:24Speaker 02

  He was the through line to a lot of stories.

• 18:27Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's a little like how Snoop Dogg just kept going and going and seems like he's as relevant in two thousand twenty five. I still feel like Sam Jackson's as relevant now.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Well, he's become more than an actor. He's become a cultural figure.

• 18:39Bill Simmons?

  Total, like, like Snoop.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Like Snoop.

• 18:41Bill Simmons?

  Same thing. Whereas like you've seen a lot of these actors. I think it's really hard to keep that going for more than fifteen years, you know? Like even you watch somebody like Cruise, who eventually couldn't keep it going. And then it's just like, I guess I'm just Mission Impossible, Top Gun guy, and that's it.

• 18:58Chris Ryan?

  Well, the thing that I've always loved about Jackson is that he seems to operate under the idea of like, I want to make movies that I would want to go see. And so, so many actors probably are like, I want to make a movie to win an award or I want to make a movie because it's specifically going to make me a lot of money. But he just is like, I like shark movies.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:17Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna be in Deep Blue Speed. I, I like, I like this kind of movie. I like that kind of movie. And he makes them a lot. He's prolific. He doesn't take a lot of time off and, you know.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  And part of it is not shouldering the load of having all of these movies riding on your back.

• 19:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  When that happens, that means a flop or a movie that's not critically well received doesn't ding you as much as it does somebody else. So you get to move on.

• 19:43Bill Simmons?

  That's a good point. His losses just kind of come and go.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  You get to do cool stuff. And if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. Because they're not these, it's not like, oh my God, I didn't like Days of Thunder. Is Tom Cruise over? You know?

• 19:57Bill Simmons?

  The big thing with him, I think he had a little more trouble carrying a movie. But if he was part of the movie, almost like a basketball player, like if I can just be on the right team,

• 20:07Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 20:07Bill Simmons?

  awesome. And he's figured out a way like he can be like kind of the, kind of the cool, collected brain Sam Jackson character, or he could be like the bombastic character or the character like Zeus, which I probably think is it what a top three, top four Sam Jackson character? Like for just for pure like Jules is number one.

• 20:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  Number one.

• 20:30Bill Simmons?

  Um, I really enjoyed Deep Blue Sea, Sam Jackson. We still haven't done that on rewatchables, but I think he's great in that movie.

• 20:36Chris Ryan?

  I'd probably say Ordell from, from Jackie Brown is up there.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Ah, fuck yeah.

• 20:40Bill Simmons?

  Fresh.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Fresh is up there. Just, I, I love, Fresh came out around the same time that Searching for Bobby Fischer came out. So I was going through a chess thing.

• 20:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  And to see the two different, uh, it was really cool. I'm trying to think who else. So Ordell is definitely up there. Ordell, for me, Jules is the number one, but Ordell is very close to Jules. I love that character. I'll actually love that movie. Way up there. Trying to think of what else.

• 21:07Bill Simmons?

  Well, there's, there's an amazing, uh, Sliding Doors that we covered when Tarantino was on, what was that? The King of New York?

• 21:14Chris Ryan?

  It was from King of New York. Yeah.

• 21:17Bill Simmons?

  With Sam Jackson and Laurence Fishburne.

• 21:20Chris Ryan?

  Where this is actually like for all the sliding doors that we throw around. This is the sliding doors.

• 21:25Bill Simmons?

  And we didn't, I didn't know it when he told the story. Laurence Fishburne, he's trying to get in for Pulp Fiction, wrote the role for him. Please do it. Please do it. Please do it. And Fishburne's agents go.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  He wants leads.

• 21:37Chris Ryan?

  It's a sporting part.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  He wants leads.

• 21:39Bill Simmons?

  It's a smaller part. You have to be a lead. So he turns it down.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Which by the way, those people are fucking morons. There's no lead in fucking Pulp Fiction. You could argue that, that Travolta's the lead, but there's no lead in the movie. The movie.

• 21:52Chris Ryan?

  It's an ensemble.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  It's an ensemble movie that has a weird circular narrative.

• 21:57Bill Simmons?

  They had a plan for him.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  I.

• 21:59Bill Simmons?

  They just were like, you can't be in ensembles anymore. You have to be a lead in the movie. So I think he did deep cover with Ellen Barkley instead.

• 22:06Chris Ryan?

  Which is also awesome.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Movie.

• 22:08Bill Simmons?

  So Sam. So Sam gets jewels. Now Fishburne is negotiating for Die Hard, Die Hard Three. And they want him. They basically agreed that he's gonna do it. He wants a lot of money and they're arguing, they're going back and forth. They can't agree on the money. Well, the producer. Andrew Vajna.

• 22:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:29Bill Simmons?

  Unfortunate name. Andrew Vajna.

• 22:34Bill Simmons?

  He goes to Cannes because Bruce Willis is about to make Die Hard Three with them. And he goes to Cannes to support Pulp Fiction.

• 22:43Bill Simmons?

  See Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction.

• 22:45Chris Ryan?

  He's like, what am I doing with Lawrence Fishburne?

• 22:47Bill Simmons?

  Fuck Lawrence Fishburne. Locks down Sam. Now Fishburne's out.

• 22:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:52Bill Simmons?

  So he loses Pulp Fiction and Die Hard Three. Sam flips spots with him and becomes Sam Jackson.

• 22:58Chris Ryan?

  And this is the biggest movie of 95, right?

• 23:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, if you throw in the global stuff. And then Fishburne sues and they actually had to pay Fishburne 750K because they had a verbal agreement.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Verbal agreement. I saw that when I was doing some research, which that is actually pretty awesome. And then they also had to option a script that he wrote.

• 23:15Bill Simmons?

  But he ends up in The Matrix, so it all, I guess belatedly works out. But holy, I like the Sam Jackson happened in the same way.

• 23:21Chris Ryan?

  But that whole point, like, yeah, he's in The Matrix and it's cool, but he's in a, he's basically like, this white man is Jesus for the entire Pulp Fiction.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Right. By the way, that's 99.

• 23:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's four years later.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  And there was a, between 95 and 99, I mean, Lawrence was working, but there's like Flit and there's other movies like that. You could argue that this, that he was a tad cold, not, he wasn't cold. He's Lawrence fucking Fishburne, but you could argue that he was a tad cold until Morpheus kind of gets him back on the right track or whatever. You could argue.

• 23:54Bill Simmons?

  The only other example in history of this Sam Jackson, Lawrence Fishburne alternate universe flip flop is Dominique Wilkins and James Worthy in the 1982 first pick of the draft. Where the Lakers take Worthy over Dominique Wilkins. And if they take Dominique Wilkins and he's with Magic Johnson on the Showtime Lakers, doing all the stuff Dominique Wilkins would do anyway, and all the above the rim stuff, he becomes the biggest star in the league.

• 24:24Bill Simmons?

  And instead he goes to Atlanta, has a great career, he's a Hall of Famer. Um, some good battles.

• 24:28Chris Ryan?

  So like the Hawks.

• 24:29Bill Simmons?

  Scoring titles. But he could have been on the Magic.

• 24:32Chris Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 24:32Bill Simmons?

  On the Lakers with Magic, winning titles, posters, shoes, most famous person in the league. And it didn't happen.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Hoodlum was in 97, by the way.

• 24:43Chris Ryan?

  I like Hoodlum.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  I like Hoodlum.

• 24:44Bill Simmons?

  I lost fan with my Dominique Wilkins, he just wasn't interesting.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  That was interesting, it was like.

• 24:50Bill Simmons?

  Second Bruce Willis peak?

• 24:51Speaker 02

  That's a Bill thing, though.

• 24:52Bill Simmons?

  Second Bruce Willis peak?

• 24:53Chris Ryan?

  This is, yeah.

• 24:56Bill Simmons?

  You just weren't a neat guy.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  He was, I like him, I like Nick.

• 25:00Bill Simmons?

  No, we just found out. Bruce Willis, two Die Hard movies, makes a couple stinkers. Hey, what's going on with them? Ah, let's do Die Hard 3.

• 25:11Bill Simmons?

  Rips off Pulp Fiction, Die Hard 3, 12 Monkeys, Armageddon, Fifth Element, The Siege, Sixth Sense, and the whole nine yards over the next seven years. It's a great job by him. And he's married to Demi Moore. Great job by him.

• 25:21Chris Ryan?

  Can I, I just want to throw one, one idea out here at you guys. So, one thing that's worth noting for everybody, for the, for the listeners, is that like, when they make this movie, Die Hard has become a genre unto itself.

• 25:34Bill Simmons?

  Right, Die Hard has created the.

• 25:36Chris Ryan?

  Die Hard.

• 25:36Bill Simmons?

  So dropped in a.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Die Hard in a.

• 25:38Chris Ryan?

  I'll talk more about this later, but I just also want to, one of the things that really hit me when I was looking at like when this movie came out in 90's action movie context, is that these guys not only had to top Die Hard 2 and Die Hard, but they had to top Under Siege and Speed and everything else that was like around it, right? Like.

• 25:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what were the other ones? Under Siege.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Under Siege.

• 25:59Bill Simmons?

  Speed. I mean, Speed was the most recent one, that was 94.

• 26:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Chris Ryan?

  And that's like the, the Die Hard.

• 26:04Bill Simmons?

  Die Hard in a Blank became one of the most influential.

• 26:07Chris Ryan?

  And Speed is the Die Hard cinematographer goes off and makes his own kind of movie and it's, and it's crazy how good it is, but like, that, that, they were able to cobble together. A script that had been written for other purposes, you know, rejigger it so that it's in the Die Hard world and then figure out that the one thing that these movies hadn't had before is a sidekick or a partner for McLean that was on his level. Like Reginald Vel Johnson's good. People are good in these movies, but like he's never had like a running mate through the entire movie.

• 26:39Bill Simmons?

  But they also moved him around too in this movie, which they hadn't done in the first two. He's just trapped in a spot.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, that changes the dynamic. Like Reginald Vel Johnson was a guy in the chair.

• 26:48Chris Ryan?

  He's on the radio.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Because he was stuck inside of Nakatomi Towers. This one, New York is a character in the film.

• 26:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Like there's so much about this, like when I was watching it, I had never been in New York before, but they're talking to me as if I had been. Oh my God. New York traffic is a part of it. The parks are a part of it.

• 27:06Chris Ryan?

  If you call like now, like it'll be a different hospital that the ambulance goes to. So we need to wait till we get below 14th street or, you know, like all that, like.

• 27:14Bill Simmons?

  How did you feel living in New York City with the New York City stuff in this movie?

• 27:17Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I didn't move to New York until five years later.

• 27:20Bill Simmons?

  No, but you, you saw the city. You used all the parts of it. So when you watch this movie now.

• 27:24Chris Ryan?

  It's incredible. I mean, the grid system that they adopt, you know, and there's like funny, like how the fuck did you guys get up here or down there that fast? But like the fact that essentially the movie goes south, the entire chase down the island.

• 27:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 27:38Chris Ryan?

  It's so ingenious because you can kind of track them like Harlem, 72nd Street.

• 27:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 27:42Chris Ryan?

  Now they're at Wall Street. Now they gotta go back up to Tompkins Square Park. Like it's actually very, very, like you can visualize it really easily.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  What does Wall Street not have? Schools.

• 27:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  What do they have a ton of? Banks. That was the first time I ever had that information. I didn't know what they had. I didn't know. There might've been a Wall Street elementary.

• 28:00Bill Simmons?

  I didn't know Wall Street didn't have schools either.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. It could've been a Wall Street elementary for all I know. I have no clue what's, what's going on. But like all of that stuff is like part of the script.

• 28:08Bill Simmons?

  Pretty sure you can't get to Yankee Stadium that fast. I mean, there's a lot of nitpicks for this.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  To get off the fucking Bronx?

• 28:14Chris Ryan?

  We can get into that. Yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:16Bill Simmons?

  It's like, yeah, I'm just gonna head down to Yankee Stadium. I'll see you guys in a second. Not sure that's how it goes. Uh, John McTiernan?

• 28:25Bill Simmons?

  What a run for him, man.

• 28:26Chris Ryan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 28:28Bill Simmons?

  From eighty-seven to ninety-nine, he does Predator, Die Hard, Hunt for Red October. I've heard that's good. Is that a good one?

• 28:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Bill Simmons?

  Who's in that?

• 28:36Chris Ryan?

  Sean Connery.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Alec Baldwin.

• 28:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:38Bill Simmons?

  Oh, okay. Medicine Man, don't really remember that one. Last Action Hero.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Medicine Man, that's with John Connery, Sean Connery, where they're down in like, South America.

• 28:46Chris Ryan?

  With Madeline Stone.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  He's got like, the cure to cancer. And he's, or something like, that was actually, like, a good, that was a good movie.

• 28:54Bill Simmons?

  Only saw it once.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 28:55Bill Simmons?

  Last Action Hero, Die Hard with a Vengeance, and then, uh, an Amanda Dobbins favorite, The Thomas Crown Affair, nineteen ninety-nine.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  I like that movie, too.

• 29:02Bill Simmons?

  And then The Wheels Come Off, he does Rollerball Remake.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  That sucks.

• 29:07Bill Simmons?

  And it sucks so bad, and that's it for John McTernan.

• 29:10Chris Ryan?

  Well, he also gets caught up in the Anthony Palacano stuff, right?

• 29:13Bill Simmons?

  I don't remember that.

• 29:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he was, he was basically in the, he went to jail, I think. Yeah, for all the wiretapping stuff.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  I know about the story, but I didn't know that it hit him so hard, yeah.

• 29:24Bill Simmons?

  Written by Jonathan Hensley.

• 29:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:26Bill Simmons?

  Who we're gonna talk about later, a different category. Ninety million dollar budget, made three hundred and sixty-six million, seventh biggest movie of nineteen ninety-five. A great movie year.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  So, if you look at the top ten films from that year. The fact that Die Hard with a Vengeance is the number one global moneymaker of that year is amazing. With some of the sequel stuff, some of the, the movies that it made more money than, when I looked them up.

• 29:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Was incredibly impressive that that film was able to outgross some of these movies.

• 30:06Bill Simmons?

  Like Batman Forever?

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Batman Forever, like Batman Forever.

• 30:09Bill Simmons?

  Was that Val Kilmer?

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Uh, that's Val, Val Kilmer, yeah, that's the first, uh, Joel Schumacher one. A Toy Story, Apollo Thirteen, GoldenEye, it's a Bond movie.

• 30:19Bill Simmons?

  Ace Ventura.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Ace Ventura.

• 30:21Bill Simmons?

  Crimson Tide, this might be the most Chris Ryan year ever.

• 30:24Chris Ryan?

  Seven. Seven.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  The fact that.

• 30:26Chris Ryan?

  Get Shorty.

• 30:27Bill Simmons?

  Dangerous Minds.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Seven could make three hundred and twenty-seven million dollars worldwide. If they make seven today, that's going on Netflix.

• 30:35Chris Ryan?

  Bad Boys, Species, Clueless.

• 30:37Bill Simmons?

  What are we doing?

• 30:40Bill Simmons?

  Why can't we have years like this anymore?

• 30:42Speaker 02

  Three hundred twenty seven million dollars for seven.

• 30:44Bill Simmons?

  You go after the top fifteen and we're looking at Outbreak, Bad Boys, Species, Clueless, The Net, The American President.

• 30:53Bill Simmons?

  Fucking A, Disclosure, Higher Learning.

• 30:55Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, I give Under Siege Two Dark Territory a spin every once in a while.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  I like it. More Chasten.

• 31:01Bill Simmons?

  Under Siege Two?

• 31:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 31:02Bill Simmons?

  It's a fucking classic.

• 31:03Chris Ryan?

  I am just saying.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Under Siege is a diehard on the train.

• 31:06Bill Simmons?

  Money Train? A movie that I feel like if it comes out in other years, maybe does better, but there's so many good movies. You don't love it?

• 31:13Chris Ryan?

  I like Money Train.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Well, I like it for two reasons.

• 31:16Bill Simmons?

  Tommy Boy, Heat, a little movie called Heat.

• 31:19Chris Ryan?

  Casino?

• 31:21Bill Simmons?

  Come on.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Money Train, getting the band back together from White Man Can't Jump, and then that is J-Lo. That's the.

• 31:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 31:29Bill Simmons?

  That's her arrival.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  That's the, that's the J-Lo thirty five point game. Like, oh, my God, this guy off the bench could score.

• 31:36Bill Simmons?

  That's the forty eight point LeBron Detroit game.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  You like that? I tried to throw it back to do some NBA stuff.

• 31:41Bill Simmons?

  J-Lo scored twenty five points in a row against the Pistons?

• 31:48Bill Simmons?

  Roger Ebert, our guy, three stars. Fair. I think three stars is fair.

• 31:54Chris Ryan?

  If we're giving stars to Raj's reviews, I give this a two star review. I just feel like he took a couple miles per hour off the fastball. Maybe he was hot.

• 32:03Bill Simmons?

  Didn't really check a lot of the Raj boxes.

• 32:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:06Bill Simmons?

  He did say Die Hard with a Vengeance is basically a wind-up action toy cleverly made, delivered with high energy. It delivers what it just advertises with the vengeance, but if the plot's just gonna go sideways in the last forty percent of a movie, Raj is not gonna sign off.

• 32:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:21Bill Simmons?

  That's not gonna get one or three stars.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Do you guys still feel that way? Like, when you watch the movie now, do you still feel like it loses itself?

• 32:27Bill Simmons?

  I don't know why we go to Yankee Stadium and then from every moment on feels like they were just trying to figure out how to end the movie.

• 32:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I, I was gonna talk about this at another point.

• 32:36Bill Simmons?

  I mean, we, we have a lot of nitpicks. We'll, we'll save them. There's some nitpicks. We'll take a quick break and we'll do the categories. This episode is brought to you by Amazon Prime. Ever finish a movie and the next thing you know, you're totally obsessed? That's happened to me. Like, I'm talking about ordering a book about seventies film lighting. Have you done that, Sierra?

• 32:54Chris Ryan?

  I have, yeah.

• 32:55Bill Simmons?

  Or buying the soundtrack on vinyl? Kind of obsessed. Whatever it is, Prime helps you get more out of whatever passions you're into or getting into. Head to amazon.com/prime and follow your obsession wherever it goes.

• 33:08Bill Simmons?

  Rewatchable scene.

• 33:10Chris Ryan?

  This is one of the fun movies where I think every scene is in my, in my list.

• 33:15Bill Simmons?

  You just wrote down all the scenes.

• 33:16Chris Ryan?

  Up until, up until the boat.

• 33:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:19Bill Simmons?

  I have, starting opening scene, right in the Simon says, which also gets the kid cutty pursuit of happiness to where best needle drop for.

• 33:27Chris Ryan?

  Summer in the city.

• 33:28Bill Simmons?

  Hot times, somewhere in the city.

• 33:54Bill Simmons?

  And just an awesome swerve.

• 33:57Bill Simmons?

  Where you're like, oh, this would be nice. Just shots in New York and yeah, the song. And then all of a sudden, Bonneville Tower is exploding.

• 34:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:03Bill Simmons?

  And you're like, what the fuck? We're, we've started?

• 34:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:06Bill Simmons?

  Um, and then Simon, we only hear the Jeremy Irons voice. Should have mentioned Jeremy Irons in the first segment.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Should have, yeah.

• 34:13Bill Simmons?

  Kind of that, like, I'm not saying he's, was DDL, but was for, for that era was.

• 34:19Chris Ryan?

  He was Oscar.

• 34:20Bill Simmons?

  Had the respect. Yeah. It was like, it was meaningful that he was in this movie. He was one of the best actors in the world.

• 34:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And this, I mean, we were talking about, uh, Laurence Olivier last time on Marathon Man and the British actor phone coming in to play the villain in an American blockbuster. That would like started with Marathon Man. This is a great example of that.

• 34:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And if you're gonna do Hans Gruber's brother. As a character. It's Alan Rickman, the best villain ever in an action movie, probably. You were gonna have to bring in a real actor.

• 34:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  I do feel like that these guys. When I see Jeremy Irons, I feel like he just went, you know what? I just want to be in a fucking movie in a tank top. I can fucking be.

• 35:03Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna work out.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  I wanna, yeah. I can be the fucking heavy. I can be physical. I can be cool. I can be sexy. And when you see him in this movie, he's playing with different accents. He's taking this serious.

• 35:15Chris Ryan?

  I can have violent sex with a chick with a phone, with a throat scar.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  She's got a sickle, you know? I could throw on a desk.

• 35:23Bill Simmons?

  It's interesting. So he wins the, he wins the Oscar in 1990. Right. Reverse of Fortune. Klaus von Buelow.

• 35:32Bill Simmons?

  Not a, not a great hang, Klaus.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Killed his wife, maybe, while he got away with it.

• 35:37Bill Simmons?

  Probably. But his, you look at his IMDb and it's just all over the place. Like Dead Ringers was a really interesting movie. But for the most part was not a commercial actor. Like he wa, he, he was in Damage and Butterfly. He played the Lion King. He played Scar's voice. But for the most part was kinda over here and then just kinda flies into.

• 35:57Chris Ryan?

  But this is what they did so well in the 90s where they would just be like Malkovich, now you're, now you're a supervillain in Con Air. You're the best. You know what I mean? Like Ed Harris, come, come play in The Rock, you know?

• 36:08Bill Simmons?

  With that said, I don't think DDL at any point in his career does this movie.

• 36:12Chris Ryan?

  Maybe to his, maybe to his detriment.

• 36:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but that's the thing. It would have been amazing if DDL was in a version of Die Hard 3.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Hey, Daniel Day-Lewis, you think you're too good for this? Now, did you guys hear, it's funny that you bring this up.

• 36:25Chris Ryan?

  First of all, DDL learns fluent German to play this part.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Oh, he goes so fucking deep. He might scar his own face.

• 36:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Bill Simmons?

  No, he, he's, yeah, he learns how to drive the dump trucks himself.

• 36:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:37Bill Simmons?

  He's going all in.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Now, did you guys hear?

• 36:39Bill Simmons?

  He learns how to make gold.

• 36:40Chris Ryan?

  Flood, gets flooded in an aqueduct just to know what he's doing.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Marvel wants DDL.

• 36:45Chris Ryan?

  For what?

• 36:46Speaker 02

  Maybe to play Doom after.

• 36:49Bill Simmons?

  Everyone has a price.

• 36:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, well, he's working with his son, so he is out of retirement. He's gonna be in his son's movie.

• 36:56Bill Simmons?

  Robert Day-Lewis?

• 36:59Bill Simmons?

  Johnny Day-Lewis? What's his son's name?

• 37:01Chris Ryan?

  I think it's Sam, actually. Sam Day-Lewis. I can't remember though.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 37:05Chris Ryan?

  But he is back-ish. I just don't know if he's gonna do like a PTA movie and I really, really hope he doesn't do Doctor Doom.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  There's no fucking chance that Marvel can get him.

• 37:14Bill Simmons?

  Are you a Phantom Thread guy?

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Uh, Phantom, yeah, Phantom Thread, yeah, love Phantom Thread.

• 37:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  I thought you said you're a fan of.

• 37:22Bill Simmons?

  Sean and I are gonna do that on rewatch this at some point.

• 37:24Chris Ryan?

  You should.

• 37:25Bill Simmons?

  I saw it twice in the theater. I thought it was, I thought it was just like.

• 37:29Chris Ryan?

  Mesmerizing.

• 37:30Bill Simmons?

  Mesmerizing how good he was in that movie.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  The only thing I'd say about him is on the DDL Before We Leave is. His reputation as being the best actor in the world is so cemented and ironclad.

• 37:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  He might care enough not to fuck with it to ever give us a Simon Gruber or something where we just like watch him go wacky and.

• 37:54Bill Simmons?

  Really, the history of all these guys is at some point they come back as they get older and like, ah, fuck it. Yeah. Like Olivier was like that. All of a sudden, we talked about that in Marathon, man. He's just grabbing gigs.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  I mean, Hopkins is fucking Odin.

• 38:08Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  He, you know, he's, he's.

• 38:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but Hopkins would like show up for a FedEx commercial at a certain point.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, he would, yeah.

• 38:14Bill Simmons?

  Uh, next rewatchable scene. I have a lot on the Simon Says gimmick, but it's for a later topic.

• 38:23Bill Simmons?

  John McClane puts the sign on and we meet Sam Jackson.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  What does the sign say?

• 38:29Bill Simmons?

  I don't know. You tell us, Van.

• 38:33Bill Simmons?

  By the way, this was really controversial in 1995.

• 38:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, still honestly in the, so I saw this in a theater on Sunday and there were a bunch of people who hadn't seen it before. And it was a lot of younger people and there was a little bit of like, oh.

• 38:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Yeah. Like when we saw the verdict, the Newman.

• 38:50Chris Ryan?

  Uh, slapping, yeah.

• 38:51Bill Simmons?

  Rampage and you could, the crowd like gasped, like they couldn't believe it. So it was like that?

• 38:56Chris Ryan?

  Kinda.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  So it, it's one of those interesting scenes to me because.

• 39:00Bill Simmons?

  This is just Van's wheelhouse.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  It is because it's actually not.

• 39:03Bill Simmons?

  He's been waiting.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  It's not the most racist thing that happens in the scene.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  And I love it when that happens.

• 39:11Chris Ryan?

  Should we guess what the most racist thing is?

• 39:13Speaker 02

  What's the most racist thing in the scene?

• 39:16Bill Simmons?

  I feel like somehow we both lose if we don't guess the right thing. I might do the DDL and just abstain.

• 39:22Chris Ryan?

  Oh yeah, you're gonna retire from podcasting on me?

• 39:24Bill Simmons?

  Just retiring.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  So the most racist thing in the scene is, so he's standing there with that, you know, that, by the way, it was.

• 39:32Chris Ryan?

  Is it the depiction of the guys on the stoop?

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Yes. So the guys on.

• 39:35Bill Simmons?

  Just 10 guys hanging out on the stoops?

• 39:37Speaker 02

  But no, they're throwing shirtless and throwing a basketball around.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  Go look at it. It's ten guys on a stoop crowded together. No hoop. They just tossing the basketball around. They got it. They got, they got guns. They got liquor.

• 39:53Chris Ryan?

  Knives.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  They got no, they got knives. They got no shirts and they have a basketball.

• 39:58Chris Ryan?

  And it's like eight thirty in the morning.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  So I have this as a picking it. And they, they have a basketball.

• 40:03Bill Simmons?

  The kids are going to school. So school in New York City starts, I would say either eight or nine. Well, let's say eight. So multiple picking nits here. Why are all these guys just outside at seven forty-five in the morning? Why is Sam Jackson opening his pawn shop for the early eight o'clock rush?

• 40:21Chris Ryan?

  Well, I think it's more of an electronics store. Yeah.

• 40:24Bill Simmons?

  Is that what it is?

• 40:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think they're asking if he would take that boombox, but I don't think he's a pawn shop. I think he's an electrician.

• 40:30Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I couldn't tell what the store was.

• 40:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he's an electrician. He's fixing.

• 40:33Bill Simmons?

  So it's like an electric, electrician shop?

• 40:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he's like gonna fix, he'll fix your TV. He'll fix your stereo.

• 40:38Bill Simmons?

  Opening at seven fifty in the morning?

• 40:40Chris Ryan?

  Look, you got, early bird gets the worm.

• 40:42Bill Simmons?

  And just that, like, it's, it's a little too alive for seven forty-five in the morning, I would say.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:48Chris Ryan?

  I, I guess I agree. Yeah.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  I think that scene is, I'll be honest with you though. I think that scene is hysterical. Like, e- e- even when Sam Jackson looks and goes, call the police, tell them somebody's about to get killed. He walks out there and they're talking. I remember being in the theater and all of a sudden you hear, what the fuck?

• 41:10Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 41:11Chris Ryan?

  No, when he has to walk by the old lady and he's just like.

• 41:14Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  That, that scene is funny to me, man.

• 41:17Bill Simmons?

  I like, who do we not want to help us? He says to the two kids and they're like, white people. I also think they get in the cab.

• 41:28Chris Ryan?

  And he keeps on.

• 41:29Bill Simmons?

  John keeps on him, Jesus. He's like, stop calling me Jesus.

• 41:32Chris Ryan?

  Do I look Puerto Rican to you?

• 41:35Bill Simmons?

  All of it's great. The mean mugs on the, on the guys. I, I'm just gonna assume he never makes it in the cab in real life.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  They doesn't get there?

• 41:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, cuz they hit him over there with a bottle. There's ten of them. I don't know.

• 41:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it would be tough.

• 41:48Bill Simmons?

  I think it would be tough.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  I will say that. When Zeus's character gives the rationale for as for why?

• 41:58Bill Simmons?

  He had to save him?

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Number one, he knows he's a police officer. He identifies himself as a police officer. He says, "Hey, I'm a cop. Some guy made me do this." And the moment that he says, "I'm a cop", Zeus changes. He probably would have protected him anyway, but he's like, "I definitely can't let the police get killed up here because if they get killed, then..."

• 42:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's a free for all.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:20Bill Simmons?

  Uh, next one. Simon negotiates with John and John gets his badge back.

• 42:26Chris Ryan?

  My ch-ch-ch-ch-chair with me in it?

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Why you trying to c-c-c-c-kill me?

• 42:30Chris Ryan?

  You didn't c-c-c-c-kill me?

• 42:32Bill Simmons?

  That's really great.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  So ableist.

• 42:33Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 42:36Chris Ryan?

  That's also a great introduction to all the other cops.

• 42:38Bill Simmons?

  Well, that's what my favorite part is when Walter, the guy with the mustache, like his boss, he's like, he tells Simon, he's negotiating, "Believe me, the jerk isn't worth it. He stepped on so many toes to this apartment. By the time next month, he's gonna be a security guard. His own wife wants nothing to do with him and he's two steps shy of becoming a full-blown alcoholic."

• 42:59Chris Ryan?

  Kind of crossed the line, I felt like. You should do that to us.

• 43:01Bill Simmons?

  Maybe a little too much information.

• 43:02Chris Ryan?

  Like on pods, you should be like, "Believe me, Chris Ryan's all used up."

• 43:05Bill Simmons?

  I was, I was gonna do this later in the pod, but it-

• 43:08Chris Ryan?

  He doesn't take my real estate advice?

• 43:10Speaker 02

  Hey, hey, you don't wanna work, Van? He's nothing but a porn addict.

• 43:16Bill Simmons?

  No, with Chris, like, I was thinking like if Chris, like Chris gets divorced and becomes an alcoholic, we're still doing pods with him? And it's like, "I don't know if CR, I don't know if we could count on him. Tell him 11 o'clock call time."

• 43:29Chris Ryan?

  This is actually an indictment of you.

• 43:31Bill Simmons?

  Can I get an aspirin?

• 43:33Chris Ryan?

  It's an indictment of you that if I was in that condition, you'd be like, "Fuck him. We're still wheeling him out there."

• 43:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  Chris, like, in a, on a John-

• 43:43Bill Simmons?

  That's some good movies we haven't done.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Dender, out here, in the tank top, hair fucked up, popping aspirin, the whole nine.

• 43:49Bill Simmons?

  It would be amazing if CR just had an alcohol, alcoholic binge, just for like a year. Just the wheels came off. CR showed up, he's wearing like a Ben Simmons torn Sixers jersey, just doing pods. Ah, I didn't watch that yet, but I'm here anyway. Saw it once. Could be a good gimmick for next year.

• 44:08Chris Ryan?

  Phantom threat. Did I read that wrong?

• 44:12Bill Simmons?

  I really like that when he gets the badge back. Uh, next one.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  What last, what was it?

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Have we gotten away from the trope of you losing your badge? But your superior.

• 44:25Bill Simmons?

  It keeps it in his desk drawer. Yeah.

• 44:27Chris Ryan?

  It's so good.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Every, hey, hey, you're back. And then it, the badge hits his hand like fucking Thor's hammer. He's like, fuck. I'm the man again. I'm a cop. You telling me I could be a cop again? Well, being a cop was like the most important.

• 44:41Chris Ryan?

  Absolutely. Like the gun and the badge trope is just one of the great things.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Give me your gun and badge.

• 44:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:47Bill Simmons?

  The hungover cop thing too. So where, where was he drinking?

• 44:50Chris Ryan?

  I think like.

• 44:51Bill Simmons?

  What was he up to the night before?

• 44:52Chris Ryan?

  Like the gentleman on the stoop in Harlem, he might've just been out all night. You know what I mean? New York City, you can really push the limits.

• 44:59Bill Simmons?

  He really tested Holly over the years.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Is Walter in love with Holly? How many times is Walter gonna bring up this man's ex-wife? It would be so weird.

• 45:08Bill Simmons?

  Getting in him with Holly?

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Maybe, or he's in love with Holly. How many times, if, if I came in here and every time I did something wrong, you went, Van Kalika deserves better. I'd be like, yo, what the fuck?

• 45:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, why do you keep bringing her up?

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. It's between you and I.

• 45:22Chris Ryan?

  Can I just two, two more things from the office when that happens? I love Charlie coming in and setting off a minor bomb. And Colleen Camp be like, Charlie, you're gonna be wearing that chair up your ass. And, uh, yeah, just Graham Greene. And it's really funny that like, this was a run in movies where I still feel like we were making fun of the act of getting therapy. So the therapist guy, everybody's just like, yeah, fuck you, man.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  Well, who are you? Yeah, you're a fucking shrink, piece of shit.

• 45:49Bill Simmons?

  I do miss that era. I also, we've talked about this before, but the seventies, eighties, just the police stations.

• 45:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 45:55Bill Simmons?

  Just moved in a way more fun way. And they just seem to capture it way better than now.

• 45:59Chris Ryan?

  It's all printed out papers, hard paper and landlines.

• 46:02Bill Simmons?

  People busting each other's balls. Nobody likes each other. Everybody's like, you going to get coffee?

• 46:07Speaker 02

  The, the fucking pricks from IA are here again. You know, the whole fucking.

• 46:12Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  I mean, the whole, the whole thing is like in every cop movie, it's the same shit.

• 46:19Bill Simmons?

  Forty-eight Hours, I still think is the best with that.

• 46:22Chris Ryan?

  All of those guys are getting paid like 32 grand a year. You know, they're just skimming coke out of the evidence room.

• 46:30Bill Simmons?

  All right. So I'm gonna go most rewatchable for this next part, which I think.

• 46:38Bill Simmons?

  It's multiple scenes, but I feel like it all ties together. The phone game with the seven wives.

• 46:43Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 46:44Bill Simmons?

  Into the cab ride, driving through Central Park, cutting through New York City, and then him jumping on the train and the train bomb going up. Whatever. I just feel like that's one scene. Wall Street is south.

• 46:56Chris Ryan?

  Man, stop yelling at me. I got a bad headache. And the best way south is not 95, it was through the park.

• 47:03Chris Ryan?

  Oh, dear.

• 47:06Chris Ryan?

  I told you the park drive is always jam. I didn't say park drive.

• 47:13Chris Ryan?

  I said through the park. It's, I think it's like 15 minutes. It's 15 of the most electrifying minutes in action movie history.

• 47:20Bill Simmons?

  It's just so good.

• 47:20Chris Ryan?

  And the, one of my favorite parts about it is that the moment when McLean goes into the park is the moment that Zeus realizes he's in an action movie.

• 47:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:32Chris Ryan?

  Where he's just like, oh shit. And this is like that kind of 90s meta. Like a character is almost aware of the absurdity of their thing. Like most action movies now are like, no, it's the accountant and it's normal that Ben Affleck will kill 35 guys.

• 47:48Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 47:49Chris Ryan?

  And nobody ever comments on it. You know what I mean? But in this movie, Zeus is us and is like, what the fuck are you doing? We're driving through. Are you aiming at these people? You know?

• 47:59Bill Simmons?

  And he said he did say he was aiming at the mime.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  And he's, he's in it, he's in it with a crazy white boy. He's with a crazy white boy, taking them on a crazy white mission, crazy white problems. He keeps coming back to that. He never loses his worldview. I honestly think that there's a couple of really unintended funny scenes, or maybe intended funny scenes. But the scene where Simon's fucking with them at the phone booth and they die.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  I don't know why that is so hysterical to me. No, no, the answer is one, he has a bomb. And they jump on the, it's hysterical to me.

• 48:36Chris Ryan?

  Also, this has got, um, Grace Papaya in the background of the 72nd Street payphone. Then they go and they do like traffic talk. Oh, you want to take 9th Avenue to get south? No, the fastest way south is through the park. And then it's like.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  Through the park.

• 48:52Chris Ryan?

  Then there's the ambulance, uh, blocking scheme, which is based entirely on him knowing what hospital responds to which call at a certain point in the city. And it's just like the whole thing. And then it's the whole getting into the subway part. It's so New York that you are like so grounded in like this experience. You're so like, I'm right here in this city.

• 49:12Bill Simmons?

  And it really feels like they're filming in New York, which they are. Yeah. Like I, I really genuinely feel like people were in danger.

• 49:18Chris Ryan?

  I was like, we were talking about it when we saw it on the side. It's like, this movie would cost a billion and a half dollars because you have to shut down so many parts of New York.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Then there's another New York thing that they're doing, and I see my New York friends do all the time, is they're arguing over who's more New York. Like they're arguing over who has the right way to get to this place. Who knows this? Who knows that? Nah, it's not what you do. You go there, nah, you don't know. This is what you do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, that's my introduction to all of that type of shit.

• 49:45Bill Simmons?

  It was a great spot for a name drop there, but you avoided it.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm trying to.

• 49:49Bill Simmons?

  But you're New York friends and then you could've just listed like three people to impress us. But you didn't do it because you're not that kind of guy.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Not anymore.

• 49:56Bill Simmons?

  The Central Park piece. There's a couple, how the fuck did they do that moments in this movie? Even the Bond with Tower blowing up. I, I was rewinding and watching. I'm like, did they actually blow up Bond with Tower? Like, how'd they do this? Cause I don't feel like CGI was good enough for 95. I don't know how they did it.

• 50:13Chris Ryan?

  Also, like so many funny visual psych gags, like when, uh, when Walsh, the cop is following them and he loses them as they come out of the park and he just sees like fucking cafe tables exploding. And he's just like, ah, I lost him.

• 50:30Bill Simmons?

  And it, we always talk about the concept of the rewatch. As if it's on and you're like, oh my God, I'm getting sucked in. And sometimes there are movies you can come in halfway through like, yes, I'm gonna fucking ride right now. Um, or like Boogie Nights, you like when Dirk shows up at Jack Horner's, I was like, oh, this is gonna be amazing forty minutes. Yeah, or the world, whatever you want.

• 50:50Chris Ryan?

  This is the, this is the.

• 50:52Bill Simmons?

  You wanna catch the opening, it's like Die Hard Three's starting right now.

• 50:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, can we push that reservation to seven thirty?

• 50:58Bill Simmons?

  Just give me like an hour here.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  But if they are in that cab, like if they are in that cab, I'm multi-viewing it, whatever sports I'm watching, I'm.

• 51:07Bill Simmons?

  Just, you just wanna see.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  I'm finishing the fucking movie, bro.

• 51:13Bill Simmons?

  If you, oh, this also has Sam with the phone ringing, one of my favorite gimmicks, the nervous cop. Phone ringing and he's like, if you wanna shoot me right now.

• 51:23Chris Ryan?

  But first the yuppie who's like, I was here first, bro.

• 51:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah. Yuppies take a beating in this movie. There's like multiple bad ones. Uh, that whole scene's great. I do feel like, nitpick, I do feel like the bomb would have caused a lot more damage.

• 51:37Chris Ryan?

  But.

• 51:37Bill Simmons?

  I feel like some people are dying.

• 51:38Chris Ryan?

  It's worth mentioning that they, this is when we were a nation. And we would blow up a subway train for a movie and it would travel at forty-five miles per hour within there and like the entire film crew was like.

• 51:51Bill Simmons?

  Actually like running for their lives.

• 51:53Chris Ryan?

  And the film crew was like, I'm really glad no one died when we, like when we made that.

• 51:56Bill Simmons?

  Speed was like that too, it was another one where it was like, poof, thank God, no casualties for that scene. They would never, they would just CGI it now.

• 52:06Bill Simmons?

  Simon breaks into Fort Knox.

• 52:10Bill Simmons?

  A very hot entrance from Chris's girlfriend in this movie. I don't know, do you wanna save it?

• 52:14Chris Ryan?

  Save it for one of those ages.

• 52:14Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 52:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, thanks.

• 52:19Bill Simmons?

  This really seems like it's Fort Knox. They do a good job of like, I don't know what Fort Knox is actually like, but.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  It's actually not Fort Knox.

• 52:26Bill Simmons?

  It's, well, but you know what I mean, like the, where all the gold would be, it's just like, is this what it would be like? You're just all these gold with different countries and.

• 52:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  I mean, there's one scene where they bring out that gigantic drill. Know that big drill that they're drilling through the thing? When I watched the movie, I'm like, they really had that drill drilling into the shit. They, you know.

• 52:47Bill Simmons?

  There's a lot of stuff like that, a lot of care. Uh, the elevator scene.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  I have a, I have a breakout here.

• 52:54Bill Simmons?

  What was the lottery number last night?

• 52:55Chris Ryan?

  You mean like I had to turn the TikTok camera on thing?

• 52:58Speaker 02

  No, it's, it's, no, it's not. When I see the elevator scene, you know what I thought? Fucking Captain America Winter Soldier.

• 53:06Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they stole it.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  They stole the scene.

• 53:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  I mean, sure, I'm sure it's been done.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  You know what? It, it, you gotta stop. Cause it makes the ring of verse. It, it makes the ring of verse feel orphaned when you do that.

• 53:20Bill Simmons?

  Captain America Winter Soldier?

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Captain America the Winter Soldier.

• 53:24Bill Simmons?

  Colin Winter Soldier?

• 53:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:27Bill Simmons?

  Who's the Winter Soldier?

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Bucky Barnes is the Winter Soldier.

• 53:30Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I forgot about him.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Captain America's best friend, then he, whatever.

• 53:33Bill Simmons?

  So, so they steal shit from Die Hard.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  There's an iconic, there's an iconic elevator scene where Captain America is on the elevator. And all these people behind him are actually Hydra agents.

• 53:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  Um, and he realizes that, he doesn't know that they're Hydra agents yet, but he realizes that they're trying to capture him. And so he looks around, he goes, before we get started, does anybody want to get off the elevator? And then he proceeds to fuck all of these people up. And that's essentially the same scene, it's the exact same thing that happens in Die Hard with a V.

• 54:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, except John, John McClane puts a gun in a guy's head and is just like, got the fucking gun! This is, this is fucking reservoir dogs right in this thing.

• 54:14Bill Simmons?

  I slow-mo'd it, um, to figure out how he did it. And my wife was just in the, in the TV room with me doing Unraveling Pad and just looking over at me like, wow, this is just never gonna end.

• 54:25Chris Ryan?

  You're deranged.

• 54:25Bill Simmons?

  You're just like a deranged human being.

• 54:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:27Bill Simmons?

  But he's got the two people behind him. They edit it really fast, so you almost don't know what's happening, but he takes the gun, he shoots through his coat behind him at the two guys. And somehow nails both of them. Then turns it around, somehow kills the third guy, and then is in the standoff with the fourth guy. But I'm gonna say the degree of difficulty is about an 11.2 out of 9.

• 54:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I don't think John's getting out of there, but it's, it's a great line when Zeus is like, are you okay? And he's like, oh yeah, it's not my blood.

• 54:53Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's not my blood is a classic. That elevator scene's great. I like when the guy, he calls it a lift.

• 54:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they fuck up.

• 55:00Bill Simmons?

  A little tip-off.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Calls it a lift. He also says it's raining like dogs and cats.

• 55:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:04Bill Simmons?

  So.

• 55:04Chris Ryan?

  And then nobody knows.

• 55:05Bill Simmons?

  Lottery number, which is like the number one.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  John's like.

• 55:08Chris Ryan?

  And he's wearing Walsh's badge. He sees Walsh's badge number in the.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  So all of you are going to die. John, by the way, his policing, he doesn't say, hey.

• 55:17Chris Ryan?

  You're under arrest.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  In Y F D. No, John just, he notices that you're a bad guy and then he kills you.

• 55:23Bill Simmons?

  I think that scene could have been longer where he could have just done more things to realize those guys weren't real like be like. What's up with Patrick Ewing? Is he ever gonna get over the top?

• 55:32Chris Ryan?

  Tino Martinez got a soft glove.

• 55:35Bill Simmons?

  Right?

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Can you believe that Matt and Lee is a Yankee?

• 55:39Bill Simmons?

  Just could have kept going for me. Um.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  But Wade Box, I mean.

• 55:43Bill Simmons?

  Couple more quick ones.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Cause you spoke for a.

• 55:45Bill Simmons?

  The little Wade Box.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:47Bill Simmons?

  The kid saying, look around, man, all the cops are into something. It's Christmas. You could steal City Hall. It's just a great voila moment. John McLean, good at the voila moments. One of his, one of his signature things. Um, I like on the boat, just when Irons takes the. Gun from Sam and just shoots him in the leg.

• 56:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  That, that's a swag out.

• 56:06Chris Ryan?

  While he's eating, while he's eating the egg.

• 56:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  He's eating the egg. He is never afraid of him. He realizes guys is not combat tested.

• 56:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  And let me see that real quick. Got to take the safety off. Where's McLean? That's like cool villain shit.

• 56:18Bill Simmons?

  And then the ending is ridiculous, but I do enjoy. Say hello to your brother. Uh, what do you have for most rewatchable CR?

• 56:24Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I have the same sequence that you're talking about. If I had to pick one, I'd probably go cab ride downtown.

• 56:28Bill Simmons?

  Van?

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Exactly. Same thing.

• 56:30Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 56:32Bill Simmons?

  What's the most nineteen ninety-five thing about this movie CR?

• 56:37Chris Ryan?

  I got payphones.

• 56:39Bill Simmons?

  I had those as well. I had crucial scenes with payphones.

• 56:42Chris Ryan?

  Crucial payphones and crucial taxi cabs. World Trade Center is there and Rodney King references.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Rodney King references. Uh, there were only forty-two presidents.

• 56:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:54Bill Simmons?

  So.

• 56:54Chris Ryan?

  That's a good one.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  So that's a big part of it.

• 56:56Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna add that one.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  And, um, the look of New York City. This is one of the last movies because when you get movies filmed or set in New York now.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  It's a, I guess, post Giuliani New York cleanup. So you get a different version of New York almost. I know this is New York month, but New York existing as the Warriors New York, or as the New York that, you know, was in all of these different movies, kinda gone now.

• 57:25Bill Simmons?

  Happier, sunnier New York.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Happier, sunnier.

• 57:28Bill Simmons?

  No internet yet, no bikes.

• 57:30Chris Ryan?

  More corporatized now.

• 57:31Bill Simmons?

  No electric bikes.

• 57:32Chris Ryan?

  Businesses, yeah.

• 57:33Bill Simmons?

  No pot.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  If you do this. If you do.

• 57:37Bill Simmons?

  Hot smoke everywhere now.

• 57:39Chris Ryan?

  All right, Pam Bondi, relax.

• 57:41Bill Simmons?

  Maybe clean up the pot a little bit.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  New York, but in New York, when I go there now, you drive by places, there are activations everywhere. There's all kinds of stuff. You can tell that the city has kind of a different ethos to it now. But this is one of the movies where you could still have that New York as a character in the film.

• 57:56Bill Simmons?

  I have the lady saying, and I'm gonna marry Donald Trump.

• 57:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. And a Hillary Clinton reference in this one, too.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:03Bill Simmons?

  I have the Twin Towers that you mentioned, but I blew it out. Bruce and Sam jogging, both with hair, with the Twin Towers behind them.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:11Bill Simmons?

  Very 1995.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:15Bill Simmons?

  And then Bonwit Teller.

• 58:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Department stores.

• 58:19Bill Simmons?

  Jack, you have any idea what Bonwit Teller is? Absolutely not.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  I don't know either.

• 58:22Chris Ryan?

  What was the, what was the big Boston department store?

• 58:28Bill Simmons?

  I mean, they were, all the same ones.

• 58:29Chris Ryan?

  We had Wanamakers.

• 58:31Bill Simmons?

  JCPenney's, all those. I mean, the big one in Connecticut was Calder's.

• 58:35Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 58:35Bill Simmons?

  Or Caldo's.

• 58:36Chris Ryan?

  Caldo's?

• 58:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  We had Gotchas.

• 58:39Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I don't know what happened to Caldo's.

• 58:40Chris Ryan?

  Gotchas?

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, Gotchas is, um, it was, it was, it lasted through the eighties into the nineties. But then they got Macy's Bottom or something like Gotchas was like a, like a Louisiana.

• 58:54Chris Ryan?

  Department store.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Department store chain, yeah. Gotchas.

• 58:57Bill Simmons?

  Bloomingdale's was big in Boston, but I think that's.

• 59:00Chris Ryan?

  Bloomingdale's is all around.

• 59:01Bill Simmons?

  It's all around.

• 59:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:02Bill Simmons?

  It is funny when you only live in one place for a while and then you go to other places. They have a Bloomingdale's here? Like, just like completely shocking.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Did you guys have Dillard's?

• 59:11Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 59:12Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  We had Dillard's in the south.

• 59:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Loved Dillard's.

• 59:16Bill Simmons?

  We don't always do this category, but did this movie need a better title? Can we talk about the Die Hard with a Vengeance thing for a second?

• 59:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, is there a New York thing that we could have? I mean, if you just call it Die Hard in New York, that's pretty good.

• 59:29Bill Simmons?

  How about Die Hard 3, Simon Says?

• 59:32Chris Ryan?

  Well.

• 59:33Bill Simmons?

  Is that just a better title? Am I crazy?

• 59:34Chris Ryan?

  Here's the thing is.

• 59:36Bill Simmons?

  By the way, why can't this be Die Hard 3: Something? Why did we get away from that?

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Well.

• 59:42Bill Simmons?

  I call it Die Hard 3.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Honestly, when I said that I wasn't super jazzed about going to see it, I went to see it. I was seeing movies so much at that time. It was kind of because of the title a little bit. It's like, what is?

• 59:54Chris Ryan?

  I mean, there is vengeance. It's Simon's vengeance.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  It is Simon's vengeance.

• 59:58Bill Simmons?

  Die Hard 3, Simon Says. I don't know. It's just better. Or just call it Die Hard 3.

• 1:00:04Chris Ryan?

  Die Hard 3, the other Gruber?

• 1:00:07Bill Simmons?

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• 1:01:16Bill Simmons?

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• 1:01:41Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, I have a, I have a bunch as well.

• 1:01:45Chris Ryan?

  I fucking love a black guy and a white guy working together. You know what? Sometimes we've been at odds, but Jesus Christ, when it clicks, it clicks.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  That is my what's aged the best by far. The first thing you learn about Zeus is we don't need no help from white people. Really, the movie is about a racial reckoning.

• 1:02:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Where white people and black people help each other. White people and black people help against.

• 1:02:12Chris Ryan?

  Like when they're in Tockin Square Park, he's like, say it. He's like, I was gonna call you an asshole.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  I'm like, yo, yo, that's actually the center of the movie. And it's a, a big, against the crazy Europeans. The crazy Europeans are the enemy.

• 1:02:25Bill Simmons?

  As the OJ trial is happening in real life.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  OJ trials happening. That's what's aged the best. That's the lesson of this movie. McLean always has, well, went away from it, but McLean is with us. He always has a brother that's helping him out.

• 1:02:38Bill Simmons?

  It's funny, 48 Hours basically starts that. And it just keeps going in that thread. So this movie's both ripping off 48 Hours and ripping off itself. Cause it's a diehard movie, but that.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  But this movie doesn't, a lot of those other films, they play the racial differences. Like it's subtext, right? It's jokes, it's whatever. 48 Hours is obviously, but in this one, you have the, um, the Zeus character. Who has a direct way of looking at things. And that's kind of, uh, the times were a little fraught. So it's kind of McLean who just wants to get to mission accomplishment. And Zeus who has all of these other, uh, views on society.

• 1:03:21Bill Simmons?

  The gun thing is funny where he goes, look, all brothers don't know how to shoot guns, you racist motherfucker.

• 1:03:26Chris Ryan?

  Right. Yeah.

• 1:03:27Bill Simmons?

  It has a lot of moments sprinkled like that that just work.

• 1:03:29Chris Ryan?

  Uh, at the payphone is like, police business, hang the fuck, get fuck, get a new fucking phone or whatever. And he's like, don't do that shit. Like you're here like, as like my assistant, basically, but you're not a cop. And he's like, I'm gonna fucking walk away then. How about that?

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Chris Ryan?

  You need me more than I need you. Like it's, it's got like power dynamics in a really cool way. It, anyway, it's just like, I, I. I think every five years we gotta have this.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  So Zeus does, so Zeus says, all brothers don't know how to use the gun. And then he does exactly what McLean tells him to do. He goes, he does exactly what McLean has him to do.

• 1:04:03Bill Simmons?

  What else you have?

• 1:04:04Chris Ryan?

  Uh, can I do Katya now?

• 1:04:07Bill Simmons?

  Save it for the end.

• 1:04:08Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:04:09Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for what's age the best?

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Hangovers.

• 1:04:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's one of the great hangover movies.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  One of the great hangover movies.

• 1:04:14Bill Simmons?

  He just needs a couple of aspirin.

• 1:04:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  Couple of aspirin, but then.

• 1:04:17Bill Simmons?

  His head's really hurting him.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, hangovers.

• 1:04:20Bill Simmons?

  Filming this much of New York we mentioned. I have for what's age the best.

• 1:04:26Bill Simmons?

  Anytime a character, the phone rings and somebody in the police station answers and the cop doesn't want any part of it. And they go, I think you better take this.

• 1:04:35Chris Ryan?

  Walter.

• 1:04:36Bill Simmons?

  I think you better take this is always good.

• 1:04:40Bill Simmons?

  I like when evil brothers turn out to be the one wreaking the revenge.

• 1:04:43Chris Ryan?

  Yep.

• 1:04:43Bill Simmons?

  Which is had mixed results, another 48 hours.

• 1:04:48Bill Simmons?

  Gans's.

• 1:04:48Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:04:49Bill Simmons?

  Gans's brother didn't totally work, but it's just fun.

• 1:04:51Chris Ryan?

  You know what this movie does great is they hide Simon like the shark from Jaws. Shows up at minute 50.

• 1:04:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Chris Ryan?

  And when he shows up and you're like, god damn Jeremy Irons is blonde and he's fucking killing people? This is crazy.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Then they let him, then they let him rip for a little while.

• 1:05:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Then you get him acting like somebody else. You get the moment where, one of my favorite moments in the movie.

• 1:05:10Chris Ryan?

  When he's Mr. Vanderflug?

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mr. Vanderflug. And then at the end of the movie where McLean thinks he's gonna die and he just goes, your brother was an asshole.

• 1:05:22Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  And it hurts Simon.

• 1:05:23Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  And you could tell and, and so, you know, no one's wrong with that.

• 1:05:29Bill Simmons?

  If fantasy had been murdered at the Braves game.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:05:32Bill Simmons?

  And then, then CR becomes, he becomes the Simon Gruber. He goes to Atlanta for revenge. He goes to a Hawks game. Trying to blow up a Hawks Hornets game to get revenge for Sean. That's basically, I'm just doing action movie premises.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  I get it.

• 1:05:49Bill Simmons?

  Why are you staring at me like that?

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  You're a sick motherfucker, bruh.

• 1:05:51Bill Simmons?

  Hungarian army. Hungarian army explosive expert now working for the Iranians.

• 1:05:58Chris Ryan?

  Targo.

• 1:05:59Bill Simmons?

  A quote actually said in this movie.

• 1:06:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Bill Simmons?

  Hungarian army explosive expert now working for the Iranians.

• 1:06:05Chris Ryan?

  It's a fucking triple crown. The last draft pick of the bullets.

• 1:06:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Bill Simmons?

  I really like when they do the, does the name Gruber mean anything to you? And they do the flashback of Hans falling.

• 1:06:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Bill Simmons?

  And he's like, yeah, rings a bell.

• 1:06:18Chris Ryan?

  This is my biggest nitpick, but yes.

• 1:06:20Bill Simmons?

  What?

• 1:06:21Chris Ryan?

  That, that reveal.

• 1:06:23Bill Simmons?

  Oh, you wish?

• 1:06:24Chris Ryan?

  When the therapist is like, he spoke with a German accent, you'd be like, yeah, I know a German guy.

• 1:06:30Bill Simmons?

  Ah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Oh, you think you would have caught that earlier. Good point.

• 1:06:34Bill Simmons?

  Good point, CR.

• 1:06:35Chris Ryan?

  Any experience with German people in your past?

• 1:06:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:06:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Bill Simmons?

  Here's another what's aged the best. When we have an action film and a car chase, but somebody's in a cab and then just a random passenger gets in the cab thinking it's entering a cab. Hundred percent success rate. It's never not worked ever in the history of movies.

• 1:06:53Chris Ryan?

  Also love when they steal their Mercedes.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Commandeering people's vehicles.

• 1:06:56Chris Ryan?

  And the guy, and they're like, who is the 42nd president? He's like, go fuck yourself.

• 1:07:01Bill Simmons?

  Commandeering vehicles seems like it would be the single most fun thing about being a police officer. Be like, I'm just gonna take your car.

• 1:07:07Chris Ryan?

  It's a slightly more controversial act now, but yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:10Bill Simmons?

  Uh, alcoholic hero cops who have people say to them, Jesus, you look like shit.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  Can't be, this.

• 1:07:18Chris Ryan?

  Every pod you start with me.

• 1:07:20Bill Simmons?

  You look like shit, Chris.

• 1:07:22Chris Ryan?

  CR, you look like shit.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  But like, out of a place of your concern.

• 1:07:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Like, what the fuck is going on with you? By the way, that Bruce, that's Bruce Willis's place in the action movie pantheon.

• 1:07:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  That's his place.

• 1:07:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, the everyman cop who looks like shit, but can rise to the occasion.

• 1:07:41Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:07:41Bill Simmons?

  Because stuff's at stake.

• 1:07:42Chris Ryan?

  I have a two storytelling mechanisms that have aged the best.

• 1:07:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:46Chris Ryan?

  There is a constant ticking clock in this movie, a series of ticking clocks, basically. Cause every task they have to do is you have 15 minutes, you have this. Sometimes they actually keep the action to the amount of time that they have to get there.

• 1:08:00Bill Simmons?

  Real time?

• 1:08:00Chris Ryan?

  They go real time. So that plus the, uh, the changeover in the middle of the movie where they're, they can't use the radios anymore. And everybody is now, we're, we're in the dark. We can't call, like, we can't, you know, and it's like, you have to use the switchboard. I also love the switchboard. She's like, the whole fucking world just called 911. Yeah.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Also the fact, this movie gets into like dueling plots because Die Hard is. Intimate, right?

• 1:08:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  But not this one. This is not an intimate Die Hard. And obviously the subsequent sequels, which we haven't talked about at all. They're not intimate at all, right? But this one is.

• 1:08:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  Not intimate.

• 1:08:37Chris Ryan?

  Free Die Hard is pretty tough.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like this one is.

• 1:08:40Bill Simmons?

  Justin Long as a tech hacker?

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  This one is.

• 1:08:43Bill Simmons?

  No thanks.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  Uh, McLean's dummy mission that he's actually on. Then the existential threat of the bombs at the school with the.

• 1:08:52Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  The guy trying to defuse the bombs. There's multi-front wars and then the heist going on at the same time. So it's kind of a blueprint to a contemporary action movie where it's just not about the thing.

• 1:09:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  There's four or five different things happening.

• 1:09:08Bill Simmons?

  I think this is a What's Age the Best. You tell me, because everyone does Sam Jackson impersonations, right?

• 1:09:16Bill Simmons?

  Does it come from this movie or Pulp?

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  Pulp Fiction.

• 1:09:18Chris Ryan?

  Pulp.

• 1:09:20Bill Simmons?

  You could argue he's doing more of the Sam Jackson impression of Sam Jackson in this movie than in Pulp.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  No, you couldn't.

• 1:09:27Bill Simmons?

  I think you could.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  It's Pulp. This is, this, this is like on the level of my, uh, Joe Pesci was better in Lethal Weapon 2.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  This is on the same level. It's Pulp Fiction.

• 1:09:41Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:44Bill Simmons?

  On my way to St. Ives, I met a man with seven wives. Every wife has seven sacks. Every sack had seven cats. Every cat had seven kittens. Kittens, cats, sacks and wives. How many were going to St. Ives? John just nails it. I, there's no way I'm knowing that.

• 1:09:58Chris Ryan?

  Zeus nails it.

• 1:09:59Bill Simmons?

  Zeus nails it, I mean. Uh, no way I'm figuring that out.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  Just one.

• 1:10:04Bill Simmons?

  I think if you. You just hear it once. There's no way.

• 1:10:06Chris Ryan?

  It's hard. It's hard.

• 1:10:07Bill Simmons?

  So Zeus nailing it is a What's Age the Best because I'm just so impressed that.

• 1:10:11Chris Ryan?

  It's cool that he's like, I'm good at puzzles. Like, let me, let me, let me think about this for a second.

• 1:10:15Bill Simmons?

  That's too fucking hard.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Movie is, Zeus is kind of the brains of the operation when it comes to that whole thing. It's another little thing that the movie is doing, so very expectations. But that's a nitpick for me is some of these things that they have to do. I just don't have any faith they would have figured them out.

• 1:10:31Chris Ryan?

  The question is whether or not they were supposed to or not.

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:10:36Bill Simmons?

  Uh, and then any action movie villain playing Simon says, sign me up.

• 1:10:40Chris Ryan?

  I, oh, can I talk about Katya now?

• 1:10:43Bill Simmons?

  Do you have, I thought for sure you would use that as your CR flex category. You want to just do that here? Go ahead, do it.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  You want it so badly.

• 1:10:51Chris Ryan?

  Katya is played by the country music singer Sam Phillips.

• 1:10:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Chris Ryan?

  Her entrance in this film is among the three or four greatest character entrances of all time. She is wearing-

• 1:11:00Bill Simmons?

  The cigarette in her mouth?

• 1:11:01Chris Ryan?

  Popped collar, green army shirt, her blonde hair is slicked back, she's got sunglasses on and she's got a cigarette dangling from her mouth. And then she cuts a guy to pieces so that she's covered in his own blood. And it's the hottest thing I've ever seen in my life, save Edie.

• 1:11:15Bill Simmons?

  Even better than Edie Falco Copland? This is really the heyday for you. Those movies are a year apart.

• 1:11:21Chris Ryan?

  These are the two, this is like, like, Ollie Frazier of blonde smoking is Edie Falco.

• 1:11:27Bill Simmons?

  Does she ever actually smoke or she just has the cigarette in her mouth?

• 1:11:30Chris Ryan?

  Dangling out of her mouth, yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. I think he's dead, my dear.

• 1:11:34Chris Ryan?

  She's mute.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:35Chris Ryan?

  And the Israelis tried to kill her.

• 1:11:36Bill Simmons?

  It's funny that she's a country western singer who just by mere body language and a smear in her face, a sneer in her face, looks like a German.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  I didn't learn this till I started doing research last night. I would have bet anything that she was in Eastern Europe.

• 1:11:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  And that didn't speak any English at all.

• 1:11:55Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Chris Ryan?

  She's like a critically adored country music singer.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  She was married to fucking the guy.

• 1:12:01Chris Ryan?

  T-Bone Burnett.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  T-Bone Burnett. Like, I'll, I'll literally look that up last night.

• 1:12:05Bill Simmons?

  I mean, this does lead to, did the, the Malley Rubin Award for did this movie need a better sex scene?

• 1:12:10Chris Ryan?

  It would have been nice.

• 1:12:11Bill Simmons?

  They said they threw that in because McTiernan's like, we're getting an R anyway, let's get a little-

• 1:12:15Chris Ryan?

  Also, can I just say?

• 1:12:16Bill Simmons?

  We could have maybe unleashed her a little bit.

• 1:12:17Chris Ryan?

  That's the kind of vision we need.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:12:19Chris Ryan?

  Is guys who are like, I'm getting an R anyway.

• 1:12:22Bill Simmons?

  We're getting an R anyway is the greatest sentence any director could say.

• 1:12:25Chris Ryan?

  And there's gonna be some fucking-

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  I love that. But you know what killed that? Remember when we, Craig, Craig was not here today, but remember when we talked to Craig? Uh, a little while ago, like last year, two years ago, and he was like, this movie had unneeded boobs. Like, why did this movie need boobs? Remember when we were having that conversation?

• 1:12:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was.

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  You know why the movie needs boobs?

• 1:12:46Bill Simmons?

  Generational.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Cause this is fucking America. That's why the movie fucking needs boobs.

• 1:12:51Bill Simmons?

  Couldn't there have been a bomb in a strip club in this movie?

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  Exactly. Like, that's why the movie needs boobs.

• 1:12:56Bill Simmons?

  What's the name? Cheetahs? What's the, what was the Scores in the 90s?

• 1:12:59Chris Ryan?

  Oh, in New York?

• 1:13:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I'm trying to think what, um, you know, my wife might be watching. What was the one, 90s?

• 1:13:09Bill Simmons?

  Pandas?

• 1:13:09Chris Ryan?

  You think Carrie is like?

• 1:13:13Bill Simmons?

  Well, yeah, Scores.

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, Scores, yeah.

• 1:13:15Bill Simmons?

  We could have put a bomb in Scores over the school.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Chris Ryan?

  Don't give away free IP.

• 1:13:19Bill Simmons?

  Alright, sorry.

• 1:13:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for Big Kahuna Burger Award for best use of food and drink?

• 1:13:24Chris Ryan?

  Aspirin.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  The aspirin, yeah.

• 1:13:25Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:13:28Bill Simmons?

  Great shot, Gordon Award, most cinematic shot. For me, bomb, wet, tower, exploding, uh, was just really good.

• 1:13:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 1:13:34Chris Ryan?

  I, that, that is actually, I was gonna say the opening three or four shots of the sun coming up in New York City. And you're just like, I'm now hot.

• 1:13:42Bill Simmons?

  Great stuff.

• 1:13:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:44Bill Simmons?

  Ches Rockwell, Brock Laners Award.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  Hold on, I have one for great shot, Gordon.

• 1:13:47Bill Simmons?

  What's here?

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  The fucking guy getting cut in half.

• 1:13:49Chris Ryan?

  Oh, from the wire.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  The wire.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  That is when I realized, oh, fuck it. They, they, they said fuck it.

• 1:13:57Bill Simmons?

  I like when they drag him too. We should put that on what's age the best, when they're pulling the two different parts.

• 1:14:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, you get the legs.

• 1:14:01Bill Simmons?

  There's intestines everywhere, by the way. That's, it's way messier. Ches Rockwell, Brock Laners Award, best character name. Zeus Carver is pretty tough to beat. Yeah.

• 1:14:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:11Bill Simmons?

  What do you have for flex category, CR?

• 1:14:13Chris Ryan?

  Okay, I got two. One, that's pre-existing. It's when would I have died and it would have been water jugs? I still don't understand it. I've read extensive explanations to how they figure it out, and it's just.

• 1:14:26Bill Simmons?

  Weird. My brain just figures this shit out.

• 1:14:28Chris Ryan?

  I couldn't do it. So you would be able to do water jugs?

• 1:14:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:31Chris Ryan?

  But you wouldn't, you wouldn't have gotten through St. Ives.

• 1:14:34Bill Simmons?

  I just, he said it so fast. I don't think I could have remembered it.

• 1:14:38Chris Ryan?

  But I did make up a new category for my flex here.

• 1:14:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Razzo Rizzo, I'm walking here. Most New York quote.

• 1:14:47Chris Ryan?

  We did. Why keep calling me Jesus? Do I look Puerto Rican to you? The Wall Street guy saying, your lights are on. Look, I'll make this very simple. One twelve Wall Street, or I'll have your medallion. What? You don't like white people?

• 1:15:03Chris Ryan?

  I like Zeus going, I'm not jumping through hoops for some psycho. That's a white man with. You deal with him when he calls, when he crosses a hundred and tenth street. And then Walter saying, get a hold of Musson in Triborough. Tell him to close the East River Bridges north of fifty ninth street, looking for dump trucks. And Connie goes, dump trucks? And Walter's like, McLean says there are dump trucks headed up the FBR, loaded with gold. Connie, Walter, they don't allow dump trucks on the FDR. So I like that one the most.

• 1:15:36Bill Simmons?

  That's a good category. I wish we had that three, three episodes ago.

• 1:15:42Bill Simmons?

  All right. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film.

• 1:15:47Chris Ryan?

  So this movie has the apocalypse now Flight of the Valkyries problem. Where like the action in the beginning of the movie is so good, there's no way to have a finale. It's like the helicopters in Apocalypse. So it's like, the first one hundred and thirteen minutes of this movie are fucking perfect. And you just can't top it. You can't top the subway car with the end of this film. And they, they kinda, they kinda give up. They kinda shrug their shoulders.

• 1:16:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we'll go, when we do half ass, we'll go into the, the alternate ending. I had the basically the same thing, but I'll even go a little more precise. Why is Zeus involved in the last forty minutes of this movie? It's fucking ridiculous. He's, he's a normal person. There's a moment in this movie where it's like, all right, Zeus, thanks for everything. Maybe you should go back to your store and your family and this is now like a police matter.

• 1:16:40Chris Ryan?

  Simon no longer needs you.

• 1:16:41Bill Simmons?

  Simon, you're not involved. You're not, this isn't a buddy cop movie anymore. Thank you for everything. But instead, he's just now a cop.

• 1:16:49Chris Ryan?

  He's on the, he's in a chopper, leading the attack.

• 1:16:52Bill Simmons?

  He's shot in the leg, he's fine.

• 1:16:54Chris Ryan?

  You're doing Wind Horse fingers.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I was gonna fucking get at Bill, but there's no reason to. It's a good point. You know what? This happens so often in these mid 90s action movies. Do you remember how Erika Eliniak becomes a fucking commando?

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  She pops out to one of the great, great adolescent Van Lathan moments of milk of the early 1990s. It's just, bro, I'm not even gonna fucking try to act like I wasn't like, oh shit, when that happened. Then by the end of the movie, she a fucking Navy SEAL.

• 1:17:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  So it, that does happen in these films and it's something that they've gotten away from. They don't do that that much anymore.

• 1:17:42Chris Ryan?

  No, that is probably for the best.

• 1:17:45Bill Simmons?

  I mean, 48 Hours invented it. Reggie Hammond goes from, he's on a 48 hour, you know, whatever. By the end of the movie, he's shooting guns, trying to find guns.

• 1:17:57Bill Simmons?

  Did you have a weak link or no?

• 1:17:58Speaker 02

  I did. Holly. Got sick of it. The wife. No more mention of her. Hey, McLean, call your wife right now. Go call Holly. Man, fuck all that. We gotta get to the end of the mission here. Stop bringing Holly back into the movie. I know she was a big presence in terms of the driving narrative force of particularly the first Die Hard. And you could say.

• 1:18:22Chris Ryan?

  Second two. She's on the plane.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  She's on the plane, but like, at this point, it's over. He saved basically two different cities and Holly's still not fucking with him.

• 1:18:32Bill Simmons?

  Can I, can I give you, I had this for casting couch, a twist that would have made this movie better? The Colin Camp character. We make her Annabelle Shiora and John McClane's involved with her post divorce. But she's dumped him because he's an alcoholic, but she works in the, in the police department with him. And now we have a little sexual tension and she's pissed and blah, blah, blah. And the movie's just better.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  And then it makes her.

• 1:18:57Chris Ryan?

  You take the phone call. We have the meeting.

• 1:19:00Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Chris Ryan?

  If that's a pitch.

• 1:19:01Bill Simmons?

  It's just a better movie.

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  And then it gives it a little more stakes.

• 1:19:04Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I gotta call Holly. Oh, now I gotta call her.

• 1:19:07Chris Ryan?

  Is Spadilla in any other Die Hard movies? I don't think so, right?

• 1:19:12Bill Simmons?

  And honestly, probably we talked about this. You could talk yourself into her not being in Die Hard 2. I know they, they shoehorn her in.

• 1:19:19Chris Ryan?

  I think it's sort of like they, they basically make it. That's why John isn't like, I'm just gonna turn this over to airport ops.

• 1:19:24Bill Simmons?

  I get it. It's just, it's a little shoe rung. The Die Hard 3 is ridiculous. What's age the worst? We got it. McClane has a bad head egg. He mentions it 42 times. But I like the ninth reference. Little stale. What else do you have?

• 1:19:39Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I mean explosions in the New York City financial district are, are a little touchy. And then this whole thing came out around the Oklahoma bombing.

• 1:19:49Bill Simmons?

  Yep.

• 1:19:49Chris Ryan?

  Um, so they had to do a lot of like, basically like preemptive press to say like, it had nothing, you know, obviously we're not making light of this, but we're also.

• 1:19:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Willis does the press tour for it and they're like, there will be no bombing questions.

• 1:20:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:02Bill Simmons?

  We're just talking about the movie. We made it a year ago.

• 1:20:04Chris Ryan?

  So probably that, I would say, the two age the worst.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  So McClane's policing. Uh, John gets to the point to where he just, if he thinks that he just kills you. Okay?

• 1:20:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Like he doesn't give a fuck.

• 1:20:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. If you have an Eastern European accent, you're dead.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  You're dead. Like particularly when he walks up on the guys and the thing just boom, boom, boom. I get it though. He's in a combat situation. And although I like it aesthetically, the heist where there's been an explosion and they're.

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  Five or 10 dump trucks that are going down there and taking all of that gold. And the cops are just like, oh, okay, this guy said that just doesn't make that much sense. That's something that you have to believe in order for the movie to work.

• 1:20:48Chris Ryan?

  Do you know what actually also has aged the worst is probably the the reputation of like city services? Cause like in this movie, when they're like, we're gonna have to find the bomb ourselves. And it's like the sanitation workers and the librarians and the firefighters are all just like, we're gonna fucking walk into schools. There might be a bomb. We gotta do it. And now it's kind of like, everybody's like, I don't know, these guys, they take too long to respond. Who needs libraries?

• 1:21:14Bill Simmons?

  What's aged worse?

• 1:21:17Bill Simmons?

  Well, they, uh, even McTernan has acknowledged this. The the gold is just way heavier than this.

• 1:21:25Chris Ryan?

  The dump trucks, they would need like a hundred dump trucks, right?

• 1:21:28Bill Simmons?

  Would have needed 480 dump trucks to take out as much gold as they took out. Each gold bar weighs 25 pounds.

• 1:21:34Chris Ryan?

  One of the funny things is that they just only.

• 1:21:36Bill Simmons?

  Completely fucked it up.

• 1:21:37Chris Ryan?

  There's in the Fed, the Federal Reserve, there's only apparently a billion and a half dollars or something like that.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  So where did it get the other 300 million? Oh, it was 174 billion.

• 1:21:45Bill Simmons?

  They they took some liberties.

• 1:21:47Chris Ryan?

  Okay, but it's like, that even like, that's not even like a piece of the Lakers at this point.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  Right, because the Lakers sold for 10 billion.

• 1:21:55Chris Ryan?

  10 billion dollars.

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  Valuable franchise.

• 1:21:57Chris Ryan?

  Of all time.

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  Ever.

• 1:21:59Bill Simmons?

  10 billion dollar valuation.

• 1:22:04Bill Simmons?

  Got 4.8 billion for 4.8 billion dollar check, actually.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  10 10 billion bucks, you know, and by the way, the the late, the Minnesota championships don't count thing is absurd. It's absurd.

• 1:22:18Bill Simmons?

  Okay, so if OKC wins on Sunday, we're taping this before game seven.

• 1:22:21Chris Ryan?

  We should have a.

• 1:22:22Bill Simmons?

  Is OKC like, we've won our second title.

• 1:22:24Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, it's ridiculous. What you should do, if OKC wins on Sunday, you should do like a live pod from Seattle congratulating them.

• 1:22:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, congratulate the Sonics fans for pulling off their second title.

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  If the Sonics fans want to say that's our franchise, they can, but it's the same franchise, right?

• 1:22:41Bill Simmons?

  You won 11 titles. It's fine. You've still won a shitload.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  It's they've won 17 titles.

• 1:22:46Bill Simmons?

  Five titles in Minneapolis, when then they moved to LA.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  But it's the same franchise.

• 1:22:50Bill Simmons?

  And they just kept the name Lakers.

• 1:22:52Chris Ryan?

  It's not the Bus Family. Like, what are you talking about?

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  They're the Lakers, though. They're still the Lakers, though.

• 1:22:57Bill Simmons?

  Bullshit. Okay, you win a title in a city. That's where you won the title.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  17 championships.

• 1:23:02Bill Simmons?

  Minus.

• 1:23:03Chris Ryan?

  Ten billion dollar valuation.

• 1:23:05Bill Simmons?

  Sixteen championships.

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  Sixteen.

• 1:23:11Bill Simmons?

  Wait, now, now you made me screw up my. Okay.

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  Boston blitzed your mind.

• 1:23:16Bill Simmons?

  No, uh, the ending stinks.

• 1:23:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Bill Simmons?

  It's bad.

• 1:23:20Chris Ryan?

  This is.

• 1:23:21Bill Simmons?

  This is the flaw of the movie. It's, it's the what's age the worst. Um, and then you can see the alternate movie, the alternate ending on the special edition, all the stuff, and it's on YouTube. I sent it to you guys. The actual ending of this movie didn't happen.

• 1:23:38Bill Simmons?

  McLean goes and finds him in Hungary.

• 1:23:42Bill Simmons?

  And plays McLean says with Jeremy Irons and eventually kills him with a rocket launcher.

• 1:23:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:47Bill Simmons?

  And it's really interesting. It's the most interesting John McLean scene of the first three movies. And of course, the studio is like, this is too dark. We can't end the movie this way.

• 1:23:57Chris Ryan?

  It's like he's a vigilante.

• 1:23:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So they basically hustle this reshoot. They spent a lot of money on it. They, oh, it's like, oh, it turns out because he has the, the location on that aspirin.

• 1:24:08Chris Ryan?

  It's crazy. You're like, so there's like a.

• 1:24:10Bill Simmons?

  Idiotic.

• 1:24:11Chris Ryan?

  Like a Quebec bottle of aspirin means you know, he's going to be back there now.

• 1:24:16Bill Simmons?

  Like literally at that location. And then there's a helicopter and then they shoot him and then it's like Zeus is just sitting on the.

• 1:24:23Chris Ryan?

  They don't arrest.

• 1:24:23Bill Simmons?

  Sidewalk. Why is he in Quebec?

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  If I, if I'm Zeus, I've had enough.

• 1:24:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I'm not going to Quebec.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  I'm not going to Quebec.

• 1:24:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:31Chris Ryan?

  Or when we get to Quebec, we're not going to go jump this guy and put the spotlight on him when he's trying to have sex with Katya. We're gonna just go arrest him.

• 1:24:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, or.

• 1:24:39Chris Ryan?

  Send in SWAT.

• 1:24:40Bill Simmons?

  This is like, my leg's fucked up.

• 1:24:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:42Bill Simmons?

  I'm gonna skip Quebec. I've walked with a limp now. What, where's my money for all of this? Uh, it's really dumb. So, all right. So we're gonna go now to.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  My flex category.

• 1:24:56Bill Simmons?

  The Ralph Lauren and Ruben and Patrick Joe Brack thing word?

• 1:24:58Chris Ryan?

  Or that. I, I mean.

• 1:24:59Bill Simmons?

  Sam dials it up a couple of times.

• 1:25:01Chris Ryan?

  Sam dials it up and, and Iron styles it up a couple of times.

• 1:25:04Bill Simmons?

  Dan, what's your flex category?

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  It's the Ed Norton reverse dunk award. Did this movie need a random sports scene?

• 1:25:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:11Chris Ryan?

  You don't consider the, the brothers on the, the stoop?

• 1:25:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's some good passes.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  Yankee Stadium should have had a game going on.

• 1:25:18Chris Ryan?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Yankee Stadium should have had a game going on. There should have been a game going on like.

• 1:25:22Bill Simmons?

  You know what I think happened?

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  Wade Boggs, Don Mattingly, Paul O'Neal, Danny Tartabull, all of those Yankees.

• 1:25:27Bill Simmons?

  I have the answer for you.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:25:29Bill Simmons?

  I think the lockout had happened, the strike.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:25:32Bill Simmons?

  I think that's how they were able to film in the stadium.

• 1:25:34Chris Ryan?

  So was Yankee Stadium just available for people to drop by and check it out?

• 1:25:37Bill Simmons?

  I think it was. I don't think there were games.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  But.

• 1:25:40Bill Simmons?

  Should have been mentioned in the movie, though.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  I look back at that era, because that's right before the Yankee golden era starts.

• 1:25:48Bill Simmons?

  Year before.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  Year before.

• 1:25:49Bill Simmons?

  They're in the 95 playoffs against Seattle.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  So, you know, some of these guys that would go on to become, you know, mainstays is pre-Jeter.

• 1:25:57Bill Simmons?

  It's a good call.

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there should have been a game going on.

• 1:26:01Bill Simmons?

  Could have gone to, yeah, or they could have done, the Met Stadium probably makes more sense for this movie.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably.

• 1:26:09Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.

• 1:26:13Chris Ryan?

  Not sure how hot this is.

• 1:26:14Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 1:26:15Chris Ryan?

  How hot is it to say it's the best Die Hard movie? And to go along with your points earlier, how hot is it to say that it's perhaps improved by not imperiling Holly? By not having that kind of like, like weight on McLean? That it's really just more about him trying to save the city and save himself.

• 1:26:35Bill Simmons?

  Die Hard's one of the best movies of all time.

• 1:26:38Chris Ryan?

  I'm just, I just, the hottest take award.

• 1:26:39Bill Simmons?

  I think everybody needs to calm down on that take. No, I, no, because I think there are people out there who are like, Die Hard 3 is the best Die Hard movie. And not even hottest taking it. Like, they actually genuinely believe it.

• 1:26:50Speaker 02

  So it's interesting. I wanted to say it, but I didn't have the nuts for it. But this is my favorite one.

• 1:26:57Bill Simmons?

  That's fine.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  It, it, I'm not saying that this is better than Die Hard, right?

• 1:27:01Bill Simmons?

  But I think that's okay.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  It's, it's, has a perfect ending, whereas this ending is not. So.

• 1:27:08Bill Simmons?

  Rocky IV is my favorite Rocky movie.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  This is my.

• 1:27:11Bill Simmons?

  Or Rocky III.

• 1:27:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:12Bill Simmons?

  I can't even remember.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  This is my favorite.

• 1:27:15Bill Simmons?

  One of those two is my favorite.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  Right. It changes all the time. It's not the best one, but this is my, I could, I could see how people.

• 1:27:20Bill Simmons?

  It's the most entertaining.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  It's my favorite one. Yeah.

• 1:27:23Bill Simmons?

  I think it's fair.

• 1:27:26Bill Simmons?

  All right, I'm going full hot.

• 1:27:27Chris Ryan?

  Good.

• 1:27:30Bill Simmons?

  I think they blew it using the Simon Says gimmick for this movie. And I think it was a franchise. And I think it was just sitting there and I don't know why. Initially, it was a script called Simon Says, written by the same screenwriter. Lethal Weapon grabbed it, couldn't figure it out.

• 1:27:47Chris Ryan?

  Joel Silver bought it.

• 1:27:48Bill Simmons?

  They kind of give it to Die Hard 3 and they use it. I think it's either an action movie franchise or a horror movie franchise. And I actually think you could say it's a better horror movie franchise.

• 1:27:57Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it just basically saw.

• 1:27:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. It did saw.

• 1:28:00Bill Simmons?

  But the whole Simon Says gimmick, I didn't say Simon that time.

• 1:28:05Bill Simmons?

  I think, I think I just see murders, blood and sequels with it.

• 1:28:08Chris Ryan?

  Wouldn't it be crazy if we found out that Trump has been getting Simon Says'd for like years?

• 1:28:15Chris Ryan?

  And like, like every, every day he gets a phone call. It's like, Simon says, you gotta do this. And he's like, fuck, all right, I gotta tweet this out.

• 1:28:21Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  That's actually kind of the plot of Captain America: Brave New World.

• 1:28:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  But.

• 1:28:28Bill Simmons?

  Well, so Simon Says was supposed to be a Brandon Lee movie and then he died.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  He passed away, yeah.

• 1:28:33Bill Simmons?

  So if he doesn't die and Simon Says just because, like, could they have made like five Simon Says movies?

• 1:28:39Chris Ryan?

  It's been 30 years. We literally could probably get Simon Says going right now.

• 1:28:43Speaker 02

  They could probably get it made, bring our film.

• 1:28:44Bill Simmons?

  Jack, does your generation care about Simon Says?

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:28:47Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:28:47Speaker 02

  Oh, y'all played that? Oh, yeah. Interesting. Um, you know what I didn't see? And maybe I missed this. Why did Joel Silver not produce this movie?

• 1:28:56Bill Simmons?

  They had a Falling Out.

• 1:28:57Chris Ryan?

  They had Falling Out.

• 1:28:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  Who had a Falling Out?

• 1:28:59Chris Ryan?

  I think Willis.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  Oh, Willis. Okay, cool.

• 1:29:02Bill Simmons?

  You know, Willis was feeling it a little bit. He was married to Demi Moore.

• 1:29:04Chris Ryan?

  Joel, a combative personality, I think.

• 1:29:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think Joel wasn't.

• 1:29:08Chris Ryan?

  I think, cause that was, um, there was a piece in the research about like Shane Black was maybe gonna write this. When it was Joel Silver and then it didn't.

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Interesting that Joel Silver, this movie does not get made with Laurence Fishburne.

• 1:29:24Chris Ryan?

  And he goes on to make.

• 1:29:25Speaker 02

  Makes The Matrix with him.

• 1:29:28Bill Simmons?

  I, I think this is true. I'm not positive for casting what ifs. We did Fishburne, but that Sean Connery was their first choice for Simon

• 1:29:36Chris Ryan?

  McTiernan wanted him.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw it.

• 1:29:38Bill Simmons?

  So we think that's true?

• 1:29:39Chris Ryan?

  I mean, I think he makes the phone.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  I saw that in the research, but Sean said he didn't want to play like a, a.

• 1:29:44Bill Simmons?

  It's such a, but then he.

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  Remember they did Medicine Man though? Remember the Medicine Man movie?

• 1:29:49Bill Simmons?

  I just think that movie bombs if he's, I don't think it's the same movie. I don't think it works.

• 1:29:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:54Bill Simmons?

  I don't buy him as like an evil, plus him trying to do a German accent.

• 1:29:57Chris Ryan?

  Also, Irons when he takes the, the, he's like got the tank top on, he's ripped.

• 1:30:01Bill Simmons?

  It just doesn't work.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  When did Sean, has Sean gone bad in anything?

• 1:30:05Bill Simmons?

  Fantasy?

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:30:07Chris Ryan?

  In Atlanta.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  Connery.

• 1:30:09Chris Ryan?

  Has, uh, Connery gone bad in anything?

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Besides.

• 1:30:12Chris Ryan?

  He in like the seventies and stuff. He's like, I mean.

• 1:30:15Bill Simmons?

  I haven't seen Hunt for Red October, but is he a bad guy in that?

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  He defects to, no.

• 1:30:21Bill Simmons?

  So does that count?

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  No, he defects to the.

• 1:30:23Chris Ryan?

  The Americans.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  The Americans.

• 1:30:25Bill Simmons?

  Is that on, is that streaming?

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  What is this Hunt for Red October thing? I'm, I'm not in on this joke.

• 1:30:29Bill Simmons?

  It's a white whale for CR.

• 1:30:31Chris Ryan?

  It's like one of the most obvious.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  You've never seen that before?

• 1:30:33Bill Simmons?

  No, I've seen it.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Oh, I was about to, oh, okay.

• 1:30:34Bill Simmons?

  I like it. We just haven't done it yet in CR.

• 1:30:37Chris Ryan?

  And he keeps giving me like, it's, he's Simon saysing me. He's like, Simon says, if you want to do Hunt for October, you gotta watch Inside Movies.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  A phenomenal, insanely good movie.

• 1:30:45Bill Simmons?

  Becomes a divorced alcoholic. Then we're gonna do it.

• 1:30:50Bill Simmons?

  Showed up just fucking smoking cigs.

• 1:30:52Chris Ryan?

  God, CR, you look like shit.

• 1:30:54Bill Simmons?

  He's bringing this little airport liquor bottles with him, pouring his coffee. Uh, McTiernan turned down Batman Forever so he could do this. That's a good casting lineup. Best that guy award. Is Colleen Camp count or is she Colleen Camp?

• 1:31:08Chris Ryan?

  I think she's calling Camp.

• 1:31:10Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, Kevin Chamberlain as bomb expert Charles Weiss?

• 1:31:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:14Bill Simmons?

  The bald guy with the glasses?

• 1:31:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:17Bill Simmons?

  Just if you saw him after that, it would be this. But I think the answer is Walter Cobb.

• 1:31:22Chris Ryan?

  Larry Bregman.

• 1:31:23Bill Simmons?

  Larry Bregman. Never knew what his name was. And, uh.

• 1:31:27Chris Ryan?

  Big time New York theater actor. Uh, he's in the Al Pacino, Richard the third movie that got made like a little bit after this, but he like when in that movie, you can see he's like a big time.

• 1:31:37Bill Simmons?

  And he's in Injustice for all.

• 1:31:39Chris Ryan?

  Yes. Yeah. Uh, I had Anthony Peck as Walsh is up there. He's also in Hunt for Actour. Um, John Doeman, who's Rawls from the, the Wire is the construction foreman when they go into the tunnels. And I don't know if this is a that guy, but it's a that guy. Like if you, if you know, you know, is Elvis Duran.

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. Young Elvis Duran.

• 1:32:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  Young Elvis Duran. I have Phyllis Yvonne Stickney. The black lady.

• 1:32:06Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  Who says in the movie, who says, everybody just call 911 at the same time. A mainstay. You see her everywhere.

• 1:32:13Chris Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  This is Malcolm X, all different types of roles. Shout out to her. I don't want to call her. She's a fantastic career, but I just wanted to shout her out.

• 1:32:23Bill Simmons?

  I'd never do this, but I have to go back to a movie we did last week because I messed up a best that guy word.

• 1:32:29Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:32:30Bill Simmons?

  And it really bothered me all week. Cause I didn't realize it was the same person.

• 1:32:33Chris Ryan?

  Best marathon man, that guy?

• 1:32:35Bill Simmons?

  So the guy who recognizes Zell.

• 1:32:38Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:32:39Bill Simmons?

  But doesn't recognize him right away and then falls him on the sidewalk.

• 1:32:42Chris Ryan?

  And then gets.

• 1:32:43Bill Simmons?

  Was also the gardener at the beginning of Bad News Bears, Breaking Training.

• 1:32:48Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:32:49Bill Simmons?

  Who was like mentally.

• 1:32:50Chris Ryan?

  What was up with Marathon Man and Bad News Bears, Breaking Training?

• 1:32:53Bill Simmons?

  In Bad News, they use him. He's like basically the special needs gardener and they pretend he's the coach. And Kelly Lake teaches him.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:00Bill Simmons?

  How to say hello, how are you?

• 1:33:01Chris Ryan?

  How bad did you want to do Bad News Bears, Breaking Training?

• 1:33:04Bill Simmons?

  I just can't, but I love that movie. I can't believe I missed it.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  Is that the Astroworld one?

• 1:33:08Bill Simmons?

  Astrodome.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  Uh, Astrodome one?

• 1:33:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Kelly Lake drives, he's 13.

• 1:33:13Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 1:33:14Bill Simmons?

  That was controversial Bad News Bears when they went to Astroworld.

• 1:33:18Chris Ryan?

  When Travis Scott takes over the little league team.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  They lose a couple of the kids.

• 1:33:21Bill Simmons?

  Kelly Lake drives the van to the Astrodome.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, they go play.

• 1:33:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:25Bill Simmons?

  But that guy was the.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  They play against a, no, no.

• 1:33:27Bill Simmons?

  The Houston Toros.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  The Houston Toros, yeah. And then there's another one where they play against a Japanese team.

• 1:33:32Bill Simmons?

  We don't talk about that. That's the sequel. We don't discuss. Dion Waiters a word?

• 1:33:37Chris Ryan?

  It's San Phillips.

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  It's San Phillips, without a doubt. That's easy. Or, or, there's only one more person. The Chester A. Arthur, Arthur truck driver.

• 1:33:45Chris Ryan?

  Oh, Jerry. Yeah.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  Jerry comes in.

• 1:33:47Chris Ryan?

  Played by Joe Zalun.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  Cooks for a little bit, solves a riddle, gets the fuck out of Dodge.

• 1:33:54Bill Simmons?

  We did, I already did my recasting couch of Annabelle Ciura in Colin Camp with some history of John McClane. If Joe Panteliano is in here as Walter Cobb, I'm not, I'm not gonna argue.

• 1:34:05Chris Ryan?

  Or like as the, I mean, Graham Greene's really good in this movie.

• 1:34:08Bill Simmons?

  Joe Panteliano's in the movie, I'm not gonna argue. This is like peak Joey Pants. I feel like we could have snuck him in somewhere, but him as Walter Cobb, just getting mad at McClane and calling him a drunk. I don't think the movie's worse.

• 1:34:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:20Bill Simmons?

  What do you have?

• 1:34:21Chris Ryan?

  Uh, for recasting, I was thinking more about city. Could this have been in any other city?

• 1:34:26Bill Simmons?

  San Francisco.

• 1:34:27Chris Ryan?

  Cause LA, it's just, you're just in traffic and you're dead. Simon wins.

• 1:34:34Chris Ryan?

  Simon says, do the collateral drive of LAX to downtown for 20 minutes.

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  You're done, yeah.

• 1:34:40Bill Simmons?

  Simon says, go to Eagle Rock. Fuck! It's gonna take three hours!

• 1:34:46Chris Ryan?

  What, they're putting in a bike lane in Hollywood Boulevard? I'm dead!

• 1:34:50Bill Simmons?

  Half-Assed Internet Research. So, they were trying to make Die Hard 3 for a couple of years, and Bruce is just rejecting scripts left and right. And especially because there'd been so many Die Hard ripoffs. But one of the scripts was called Troubleshooter, which had McClane fighting terrorists on a Caribbean cruise line.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  Speed 2.

• 1:35:12Bill Simmons?

  And Bruce Willis said, "No thanks, sounds too much like under siege." They repurpose it, make it Speed 2.

• 1:35:20Chris Ryan?

  Can I, can I do a little number here? Cause I, I was looking at IMDB.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's Speed, Speed 2.

• 1:35:27Bill Simmons?

  It's literally became Speed 2.

• 1:35:29Chris Ryan?

  And one of the issues with them developing this at the time was that there were so many stu-, studios had so many scripts in development that were just diehard in a, you know, like that, just basically. So here are some of the ones that they had going at the time, but some of them got made, some didn't. Sandblast, which was Die Hard in a Sandstorm. No Safe Haven, Die Hard on Martha's Vineyard. Resillo, let's go!

• 1:35:50Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, my god.

• 1:35:51Chris Ryan?

  Track Down, Die Hard in English, in the English Channel Tunnel.

• 1:35:55Bill Simmons?

  Wait, what was the Martha?

• 1:35:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Sandblast. No, that, no, No Safe Haven was Die Hard on Martha's Vineyard.

• 1:35:59Bill Simmons?

  Can we make that now with Resillo?

• 1:36:01Speaker 02

  Rusillo is, he's the leader, he's John McClane in that.

• 1:36:05Bill Simmons?

  Rusillo's a sports podcaster, like hanging out Martha's Vineyard?

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  He's on the Vineyard.

• 1:36:10Chris Ryan?

  Him and Chris Long go out for a really long night on Martha's Vineyard, they're hungover. And then it's like the fairies, they're not running.

• 1:36:21Chris Ryan?

  So Track Down is diehard in the English Channel Tunnel. Suspension, diehard on the George Washington Bridge. Platform and Rig were both diehard on oil rig movies. High Roller was diehard in Vegas, which is basically Con Air at the end, I guess, right?

• 1:36:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but they never, Vegas was still sitting there in the 90s as a full action movie.

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  You could have done Die Hard.

• 1:36:44Bill Simmons?

  By the way, sitting there right now.

• 1:36:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:47Chris Ryan?

  Uh, what else? In Contempt, diehard in a courthouse. He Who Dares, diehard in the British Embassy in the United States.

• 1:36:53Bill Simmons?

  I feel like you're making these up.

• 1:36:54Chris Ryan?

  No, these are all from IMDb. L4, diehard at the Center for Disease Control. That is just like, and a bunch of diehard in Hurricanes.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  Diehard Wuhan.

• 1:37:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:07Speaker 02

  We gotta, gotta keep the virus in. That's actually, you gotta kill the terrorists, but you gotta keep the virus in.

• 1:37:13Bill Simmons?

  Pretty good.

• 1:37:13Speaker 02

  Diehard Wuhan is pretty good.

• 1:37:15Bill Simmons?

  They're gonna release this if we don't stop them. Damn. Man, that Martha's Vineyard one, what a great location for an action movie. There's no way in, no way out.

• 1:37:24Chris Ryan?

  And you could have like, maybe Rusillo, like, over the course of the movie, he falls in love with like a yuppie girl who's only there for the summer.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:37:36Bill Simmons?

  Diehard Catalina is sitting there too.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  Driving around in buggies.

• 1:37:40Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, just like wedding at Catalina, oh my God, such a pain in the ass to get there. And then it's just the, you know.

• 1:37:48Bill Simmons?

  The screenwriter, Jonathan Hensley, was detained by the FBI because the Federal Gold Reserve stuff in this movie was so accurate that they thought he had like inside intel.

• 1:38:00Bill Simmons?

  Actually brought him in for questioning.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  What was his research? Where'd he get it from? Where'd he get his stuff?

• 1:38:03Bill Simmons?

  He just said he read everything in the New York Times.

• 1:38:08Bill Simmons?

  Bruce Willis's sandwich board was blank.

• 1:38:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:14Speaker 02

  Didn't want to take the chance.

• 1:38:15Bill Simmons?

  They CGI'd it.

• 1:38:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they didn't want paparazzi.

• 1:38:17Bill Simmons?

  They thought it was offensive.

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:19Bill Simmons?

  Um, and then.

• 1:38:23Bill Simmons?

  Dan, how did they do the four gallon jug thing? Just wanna see if you could do this right now.

• 1:38:28Speaker 02

  I, I can't. The four gallon jug thing, uh, I, I really don't know how you would do it.

• 1:38:36Chris Ryan?

  I, I told you, I would die during that. I have no idea. Like, i- if the idea is that you can't subtract, you can't be off by a couple of ounces, then I wouldn't be able to do it.

• 1:38:48Bill Simmons?

  You take the three gallon jug.

• 1:38:49Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:38:50Bill Simmons?

  You pour all of it into the five gallon jug.

• 1:38:51Chris Ryan?

  So now there's three in there.

• 1:38:53Bill Simmons?

  You take the three gallon jug again, you pour all of it into the five gallon jug, but only two of the gallons go, one gallon stays in the three gallon jug.

• 1:39:00Chris Ryan?

  But how do you know you only got one gallon left?

• 1:39:03Bill Simmons?

  So you keep that one gallon in the three gallon jug, cuz you've, you've poured five of the six gallons into the five.

• 1:39:08Chris Ryan?

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 1:39:09Bill Simmons?

  Then you pour out the five gallon jug.

• 1:39:13Bill Simmons?

  You take the one gallon that's left in the three gallon jug, you pour that into the five gallon jug, so now that has one gallon.

• 1:39:17Chris Ryan?

  And then you do it again.

• 1:39:18Bill Simmons?

  Then you do the three gallon, pour it in there for. It's actually pretty easy.

• 1:39:22Chris Ryan?

  That's pretty smart.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Okay, well, how about this, since it's so easy? Uh, yeah, yeah. What we'll do, since it's, cuz I, cuz you're talking your shit right now, that's fine.

• 1:39:33Chris Ryan?

  I'm not talking about shit, I'm just saying.

• 1:39:34Bill Simmons?

  It actually wasn't that hard. The other one, I think, was way harder.

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  There's room over there, get FanDuel to fucking sponsor it, the Bill Simmons Jug Challenge for the Ringer Network. And I, I, I will take odds and will make bets about whether or not you can get this done.

• 1:39:51Chris Ryan?

  But we have to switch it up.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, we.

• 1:39:53Chris Ryan?

  Switch up the numbers, cuz he's, he's obviously nailed.

• 1:39:54Speaker 02

  Switch up the numbers, cuz you'll figure this out.

• 1:39:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:56Speaker 02

  But if you really feel like you can do this, I'm actually.

• 1:39:59Bill Simmons?

  I already said I could, I already said how to do it.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  We'll figure out a different one, the Bill Simmons Jug Challenge.

• 1:40:06Bill Simmons?

  You just wanna do the Bill Simmons Jug Challenge.

• 1:40:13Bill Simmons?

  That's where that was all going. Uh, Apex Mountain, Bruce Willis?

• 1:40:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:40:19Chris Ryan?

  Well, you could say that these couple of years are, but.

• 1:40:21Bill Simmons?

  I don't know, man. I think there's a case that's right here.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  Bruce Willis, Apex Mountain?

• 1:40:25Bill Simmons?

  I think you make a case that's right here.

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay, I mean, I wanna hear the case.

• 1:40:31Bill Simmons?

  Well, so he's red hot as an actor.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:34Bill Simmons?

  Then it dies down, then he has pulp in 94 and this in 95. And that leads to the 12 Monkeys Armageddon, Fifth Dome and Siege, Sixth Sense, Whole Nine Yards.

• 1:40:45Speaker 02

  This is his run.

• 1:40:46Bill Simmons?

  I feel like he's kind of the number one call in 95 for anything with action or kind of cool anything, right? Like Hanks is like, Hanks has the Hanks corner.

• 1:40:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:00Bill Simmons?

  I just think Bruce, this is it.

• 1:41:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:02Bill Simmons?

  I think he has, I think if you're making a movie, it's like, can we get Hanks? Can we get Bruce? Can we get Cruz?

• 1:41:08Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:41:08Bill Simmons?

  Those are the first three calls.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  I see what you mean.

• 1:41:11Bill Simmons?

  And then Denzel's probably fourth.

• 1:41:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:13Speaker 02

  And when you talk about like culturally, the Demi Moore.

• 1:41:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:18Bill Simmons?

  Also, like, Demi Moore, this is right around when she got the 20 million for Striptease.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  I think it was 12, but yeah.

• 1:41:25Bill Simmons?

  As a couple.

• 1:41:26Chris Ryan?

  Well, you just Lakers valuationed him.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:41:33Bill Simmons?

  As a couple, it's about as good as it gets for a couple.

• 1:41:36Chris Ryan?

  He's a huge, huge star.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:38Bill Simmons?

  Sam Jackson, I don't think so, but I also couldn't tell you when it was. Maybe Jackie Brown?

• 1:41:47Chris Ryan?

  No, I think it's.

• 1:41:48Bill Simmons?

  Later?

• 1:41:49Chris Ryan?

  I think it's this, this area. This area doing pulp and Die Hard with a vengeance?

• 1:41:54Bill Simmons?

  Still feel like it's like, how long is this guy gonna be up here? And then at some point that flipped.

• 1:42:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  He, he's just done so many different types of movies. It would be difficult to pin down like when he was the most relevant and most at the peak of his powers because he maintained.

• 1:42:10Bill Simmons?

  It's somewhere in the 90s that we can agree on that, right?

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:42:13Bill Simmons?

  Like at some point he became like, oh, Sam Jackson's just here now and that's how it's gonna be.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Maybe, but you could then argue that it's Nick Fury. Yeah, you know.

• 1:42:22Bill Simmons?

  So maybe when he gets Star Wars?

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  That's 99.

• 1:42:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so it's right around there.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:30Bill Simmons?

  Jeremy Irons probably winning the Oscar.

• 1:42:34Chris Ryan?

  Or margin call.

• 1:42:37Bill Simmons?

  How about Harlem as a movie location?

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  Shit, no.

• 1:42:41Bill Simmons?

  What would you have?

• 1:42:42Speaker 02

  Harlem as a movie location?

• 1:42:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, in a movie.

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  I mean, I said that so quickly and now. What about Harlem Nights?

• 1:42:52Bill Simmons?

  I mean, not very well liked movie, but I think it's had a. A re reckoning. No, I get, I know, but it was a bomb when it came out.

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  So you got Harlem Nights, you got the Cotton Club, you got Hoodlum, these are all gonna be black movies, you got. I don't know, I would just wouldn't think about Harlem as a movie location, Die Hard with a Vengeance being.

• 1:43:13Chris Ryan?

  It's only like in Harlem briefly, yeah.

• 1:43:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wouldn't think.

• 1:43:17Chris Ryan?

  What about a movie set during the summer? Like summer movie?

• 1:43:24Bill Simmons?

  Action movies, maybe.

• 1:43:25Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:43:26Bill Simmons?

  That needed the summer as part of what they were doing.

• 1:43:29Chris Ryan?

  Crazy, yeah.

• 1:43:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think that's fair. The Wall Street School System?

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:43:33Bill Simmons?

  Apex Mountain, never discussed before since?

• 1:43:38Bill Simmons?

  Gold Reserve, Bond with Teller, hundred percent.

• 1:43:41Chris Ryan?

  For sure.

• 1:43:42Bill Simmons?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:43:42Chris Ryan?

  Maybe the first and last time it's been mentioned, mentioned in a film.

• 1:43:46Bill Simmons?

  Colleen Camp, Who's Your Girl?, The Cigarette Smoker, Sam.

• 1:43:49Chris Ryan?

  Sam Phillips.

• 1:43:50Bill Simmons?

  Sam Phillips, all of them. Uh, Cruise or Hanks for this?

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Oh, I got a couple of other Apex Mountains.

• 1:43:56Bill Simmons?

  Go, let's hear it.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  Die Hard's Eagles?

• 1:43:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. John McClane's sidekicks.

• 1:44:03Chris Ryan?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  So this is bigger than Bill Johnson, bigger than Justin Long.

• 1:44:09Chris Ryan?

  Who's the dude in, in two that helps him with the air traffic control? He barely has a, like a partner in that movie.

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, so John McClane's sidekick, this is definitely an Apex Mountain of John McClane's sidekick.

• 1:44:19Bill Simmons?

  Cruise or Hanks? To me, easy Cruise.

• 1:44:24Speaker 02

  The running.

• 1:44:26Chris Ryan?

  Cruise is McClane?

• 1:44:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:28Chris Ryan?

  I could also see Cruise as, as Simon.

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:44:31Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:44:32Chris Ryan?

  Blonde Cruise?

• 1:44:33Bill Simmons?

  OCR, now we're talking.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  Fucking rocks.

• 1:44:35Bill Simmons?

  OCR. Trying to do a German accent?

• 1:44:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  Say OCR one more time.

• 1:44:42Speaker 02

  And then it's got a problem, it's a gigantic pause.

• 1:44:47Bill Simmons?

  All right, Bill Simmons drugs movie.

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  No, that's actually awesome.

• 1:44:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:57Bill Simmons?

  So Cruz with the collateral hair?

• 1:44:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:59Bill Simmons?

  Where he just goes blonde, tries a German accent.

• 1:45:02Chris Ryan?

  Like Valkyrie, he tries it for like 10 minutes and then he's like, I forget it.

• 1:45:05Bill Simmons?

  What thing would Cruz have learned how to do?

• 1:45:07Chris Ryan?

  Um, he probably.

• 1:45:09Bill Simmons?

  Drive a dump truck?

• 1:45:10Chris Ryan?

  Learn how to do all the construction stuff.

• 1:45:15Chris Ryan?

  He's like, we don't need Targo. I can, I can do all that.

• 1:45:18Bill Simmons?

  I've actually studied gold.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  What if you dropped the racial component?

• 1:45:23Bill Simmons?

  Cruz is Zeus?

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  It's Cruz and Hanks together.

• 1:45:27Chris Ryan?

  Why drop the racial component? Why not have Cruz running an electronics store in Harlem? Just be like, hey, I'm the first gentrifier.

• 1:45:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm the guy. Like, everybody knows him.

• 1:45:37Bill Simmons?

  They love me here. Scorsese or Spielberg? I would say Scorsese.

• 1:45:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Marty, New York City.

• 1:45:44Bill Simmons?

  What role would Phil Hoffman have played?

• 1:45:46Chris Ryan?

  Simon. Good.

• 1:45:48Bill Simmons?

  Good Simon?

• 1:45:48Chris Ryan?

  He'd also be good.

• 1:45:49Bill Simmons?

  The weed cop with a, with a.

• 1:45:50Chris Ryan?

  Or he could have done maybe, uh, um, the Graham Greene part.

• 1:45:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  Oh, that would have been funny.

• 1:45:56Bill Simmons?

  Pick a knits.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  John.

• 1:45:58Bill Simmons?

  We mentioned, um, everything being open at 7:45 in this neighborhood is a little, little dicey. Zeus leaves the store, doesn't lock up, nothing, just leaves it open.

• 1:46:09Chris Ryan?

  Well, I mean, it's not like the, I think he tries to get back to his store multiple times.

• 1:46:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:14Bill Simmons?

  Never says at any point, we hear about Holly 45 times. We never hear Zeus stay over the next 15 hours. Shit, I left my store open.

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  He's also a staple in the community, so maybe they're not gonna.

• 1:46:24Chris Ryan?

  Doesn't he think his store's getting destroyed though?

• 1:46:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, he said those guys are, oh, he does say that.

• 1:46:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  Because he does, actually, he does say that because.

• 1:46:33Bill Simmons?

  I just feel like he'd be a little, be on his mind a tiny bit more that his entire livelihood is about to.

• 1:46:38Speaker 02

  Because he stuck up from a claim and he says what those guys are doing to my store right now.

• 1:46:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  He does say that.

• 1:46:45Bill Simmons?

  How did Simon know that McLean wore the sign?

• 1:46:48Chris Ryan?

  He's, it seems like they are watching them at any moment. Like, he knows like when they're in the van with the FBI.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  Oh, he's wa- yeah, he's looking at them everywhere.

• 1:46:56Chris Ryan?

  And the NSA guy that they're like, are you still, you know, putting your glasses in your mouth to butcher?

• 1:47:01Bill Simmons?

  Let's talk this out. Simon's playing in this whole thing. He's got 100 people working for him because we see them all at the end.

• 1:47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of dudes.

• 1:47:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's got two football teams of people.

• 1:47:10Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 1:47:10Bill Simmons?

  Is there like a Mike Frable, meet, meet the group moment in three months before the heist? Hey, guys.

• 1:47:17Chris Ryan?

  So you're asking-

• 1:47:18Bill Simmons?

  I'm Simon Gruber. Uh, so you guys are gonna do this?

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  There's some kind of paramilitary organization or something like that.

• 1:47:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they're all like mercenaries.

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Chris Ryan?

  But you're asking, does, does Simon Gruber have a Connor Stallions? Who's constantly on rooftops looking at McLean?

• 1:47:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's like, uh-

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Well, the, the dudes in Yankee Stadium, they're all-

• 1:47:37Bill Simmons?

  Luther, you're gonna be, uh, you're gonna do, drive the truck with me. And Bobby, you're gonna be over, you're gonna be in Harlem making sure McLean's gonna wear that sign?

• 1:47:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:46Bill Simmons?

  Like, how, or did they just put a camera there?

• 1:47:48Chris Ryan?

  Well, my unanswerable question for this, which is tied directly to this, is how mu- many of these tasks did Gruber reasonably expect McLean to complete?

• 1:47:57Bill Simmons?

  And how did he know they were being completed?

• 1:47:59Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I mean, yeah.

• 1:48:00Speaker 02

  Whatever he was doing, he was obviously keeping them busy until-

• 1:48:03Chris Ryan?

  But if they fucked the St. Ives thing up, was there even a bomb in the trash can?

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  Well, well, you know, at the end, when they ask him, they go, there was never any bomb in the school, and he goes,

• 1:48:14Chris Ryan?

  I'm not a monster.

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  I'm a soldier, I'm not a monster.

• 1:48:15Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  So I don't know how many people-

• 1:48:17Chris Ryan?

  But he does blow up the train.

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  He does blow up the train.

• 1:48:19Chris Ryan?

  And the train, if it stayed on the train, would have killed thousands or hundreds of people.

• 1:48:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, so I'm gonna go, maybe you were a monster. You were about to blow up 200 people.

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  Right. But he had to blow them up to achieve his goal because he needed to go in there. So, yeah. Definitely a monster, though.

• 1:48:35Bill Simmons?

  We mentioned the 480 dump trucks. Uh, my internet pick for me, I think movies fuck this up a lot. I just think McClain is just covered in blood.

• 1:48:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I had our main characters.

• 1:48:45Bill Simmons?

  I think blood is every, I think he's had sprains. Like, think about Marvin getting his brains all over, like Sam Jackson's hair in Pulp Fiction, getting shot point blank. There's four Marvins in the elevator. Like, there's just, there's stuff all over John McClain.

• 1:49:01Chris Ryan?

  So, taking it a step further, if I bang my shin in the middle of the night, like getting back into bed, I'm limping for like a day. They get a train derailment, they get shot, Zeus gets shot, they get splinters from a winch wire stuck in shoulders, they get trapped in a flood, then shot through a manhole cover, flip a Mercedes traveling at high speed, fall halfway off a bridge onto a hard surface, and they're more or less like walking around at the end of this movie.

• 1:49:26Bill Simmons?

  And McClain gets hit and headed with a bottle.

• 1:49:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:29Speaker 02

  This character, the John McClain character is the same character from Unbreakable, that's him in Unbreakable.

• 1:49:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:35Speaker 02

  Because he is so fucked up. There's actually one scene where he's all fucked up, blood everywhere, and it's almost as if the water rejuvenates him, because he tastes the water, he wipes the blood off, and then

• 1:49:48Bill Simmons?

  He's fine.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  He's ready to go back in the game.

• 1:49:51Bill Simmons?

  Hung over, just needs some aspirin.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  I got a couple picking nits.

• 1:49:53Bill Simmons?

  Go.

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  So McClain doesn't even think about taking the 12 billion dollars.

• 1:50:01Chris Ryan?

  Right. Or even just being like, what's important is we each get a gold bar here.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  Right. So the gold bars are everywhere. He says, we'll make a deal. There's 12. Think about the stakes here. People are gonna look at Van like he's an asshole, but I have to just put it out there. This is not like, hey, we got a suitcase full of a half a million for you, $200,000. It's 12 billion bucks. McClain, the boy scout, doesn't even think about it. Doesn't go, ah, or even, doesn't even tell Zeus or somebody else, they did offer us 12 billion.

• 1:50:32Bill Simmons?

  It's happened in Marathon Man last week.

• 1:50:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:34Bill Simmons?

  Hoffman just could have left with all the diamonds. He's like, nah, I'm too good for the diamonds.

• 1:50:37Chris Ryan?

  A diamond.

• 1:50:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:39Chris Ryan?

  A diamond, that's tuition for the rest of the.

• 1:50:40Bill Simmons?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:50:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  Secondly. The henchmen that are in this are all six foot four German dudes with crew cuts.

• 1:50:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:49Speaker 02

  There's just no fucking way you're gonna believe that these guys are cops or guys that work on Wall Street.

• 1:50:54Chris Ryan?

  This up when they all arrive.

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:56Chris Ryan?

  And all these guys get off and Simon gets off the truck is like, hey there, partner. And it's like, why is there like a fake German Texan man who's in charge of city services here? Like, who's gonna do all the like demolition work?

• 1:51:09Bill Simmons?

  Simon was like Sam Presti, like he liked length and athleticism.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:51:14Bill Simmons?

  Lot of three and D guys.

• 1:51:19Bill Simmons?

  We didn't talk about the biggest pick and knit. McLean, first of all, he drowns in the tunnel. But even if you're gonna say he doesn't, then the thing shoots him out. He gets shot up in the air. Who's driving by Zeus Carver coming back from Yankee Stadium? What's all fucking ridiculous? That's where like, to me, that's the jump the shark moment of this movie. We're like, all right, this is now getting stupid.

• 1:51:42Chris Ryan?

  I do for the same way that you were, you were talking about how you'd like to test yourself with the, the water jug thing. I do wanna do the move that McLean does where he's like, take the anti-lock brakes off.

• 1:51:55Speaker 02

  That's a badass fucking shot, bro.

• 1:51:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that was good.

• 1:52:00Chris Ryan?

  And every time I see him, I'm like, yeah, man, are anti-lock brakes holding me back?

• 1:52:07Bill Simmons?

  Uh, last one is a big one. Did you have any more?

• 1:52:09Chris Ryan?

  No. No.

• 1:52:12Bill Simmons?

  Simon.

• 1:52:12Chris Ryan?

  Oh, just the German thing. Like the second you hear a German accent, you're like, wait a second.

• 1:52:16Bill Simmons?

  Right. Simon's this mastermind.

• 1:52:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Bill Simmons?

  Planned everything out meticulously. And then just gives McLean the aspirin bottle that has the address of where you got the aspirin bottle.

• 1:52:27Chris Ryan?

  Well, also, how did Simon think he was gonna get away with all the dumpsters being full of like metal pieces on Targo?

• 1:52:34Bill Simmons?

  Just wouldn't be like, sorry about your headache, John.

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Tells him to keep the bottle, basically tells him, hey, there's the bottle. Why don't you check it out?

• 1:52:42Bill Simmons?

  It's like he wanted to get caught.

• 1:52:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:52:45Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TBR, Black Cast, Untouchable, where they did multiple sequels.

• 1:52:52Speaker 02

  You guys didn't like Live Free or Die Hard, not even a little bit?

• 1:52:54Chris Ryan?

  I thought Olafant's good in it.

• 1:52:56Speaker 02

  I thought it was, I thought it was pretty cool, yeah.

• 1:52:58Bill Simmons?

  I, if I'm on an airplane and I don't have a lot of choices, maybe?

• 1:53:01Chris Ryan?

  Hacking is a good Die Hard thing.

• 1:53:03Bill Simmons?

  No.

• 1:53:05Speaker 02

  Saw it in theaters.

• 1:53:06Chris Ryan?

  Me too.

• 1:53:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I did too. I saw it the day of the NBA draft. Yeah.

• 1:53:10Chris Ryan?

  What a day for you.

• 1:53:11Bill Simmons?

  Well, I was trying to get ready to write the running diary. Needed, went to like an 11 o'clock Die Hard 4 at The Grove to kind of take my mind off it. And was disappointed.

• 1:53:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that.

• 1:53:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trell, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, no, Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs? Or Wilford Brimley and The Firm?

• 1:53:38Chris Ryan?

  Gotta do one more DB before the, you know, as we end the NBA season. And I, I fucked up by never mentioning that earlier in the playoffs, she said, "Bonjour, Mr. Hartenstein."

• 1:53:51Chris Ryan?

  So I would probably go DB saying, "Oh, Federschins, Eric Gruber."

• 1:54:02Bill Simmons?

  Simon Gruber, just a mastermind.

• 1:54:06Chris Ryan?

  You've played through headaches, but we see you.

• 1:54:09Bill Simmons?

  He sees the whole city as a launching pad.

• 1:54:14Bill Simmons?

  Just one Oscar who gets it. Man.

• 1:54:16Chris Ryan?

  McTiernan.

• 1:54:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, direction.

• 1:54:19Bill Simmons?

  Is there an Irons case?

• 1:54:21Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  Nah, that doesn't do enough.

• 1:54:23Chris Ryan?

  Out of curiosity, what was this Oscars year like?

• 1:54:26Bill Simmons?

  Uh, no chance for anything.

• 1:54:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, that's what I thought.

• 1:54:28Bill Simmons?

  95 was rough.

• 1:54:31Bill Simmons?

  Unanswerable questions.

• 1:54:36Bill Simmons?

  What's the next day like with the newspaper coverage? What's the lead story?

• 1:54:43Bill Simmons?

  Is it the subway explosion?

• 1:54:44Chris Ryan?

  That's a fucking awesome question.

• 1:54:46Bill Simmons?

  Subway explosion, is it the water thing going on?

• 1:54:48Chris Ryan?

  Can we be specific about how does the New York Post cover it versus how the New York Times covers it?

• 1:54:52Speaker 02

  So you have-

• 1:54:53Bill Simmons?

  New York's under attack? What are the headlines?

• 1:54:55Speaker 02

  You have multiple explosions, you have the flood, you have McLean himself, then you have somebody getting cut in half on a boat.

• 1:55:07Bill Simmons?

  You have a boat blowing up, you have three things blowing up.

• 1:55:10Chris Ryan?

  Cause a lot of stuff doesn't quite happen. I think the number one story is the subway crash. Number, subway crash is on the front page in the New York Post.

• 1:55:18Bill Simmons?

  I think it's almost a New York under attack.

• 1:55:20Speaker 02

  Kind of, because the bombs in the school-

• 1:55:22Bill Simmons?

  Mad Men gets away.

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  Finding a bomb in a school is a fucking crazy story.

• 1:55:27Chris Ryan?

  But they didn't. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's, it's an almost story.

• 1:55:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. It's a part of the narrative.

• 1:55:34Speaker 02

  Then Simon dies, so they get, they got his face on the deal. This is the mastermind of the New York-

• 1:55:43Chris Ryan?

  It would've been cool if Simon had made it a multi-day thing so that we could've had New York Post, Simon says we're dead.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Simon says the headline.

• 1:55:50Bill Simmons?

  Could've been like an eight-day thing. And then the other thing I was thinking was 1994, which was an amazing time in New York City, because you had the Rangers, you had the Knicks, you had the heyday of Mike and the Dog.

• 1:56:04Bill Simmons?

  And then you have diehard filming in New York, probably Apex Mountain.

• 1:56:08Chris Ryan?

  Wait, you're skipping a very important question. How, how do Mike and the Dog react to this?

• 1:56:13Bill Simmons?

  Well, so that was my third thing.

• 1:56:14Chris Ryan?

  If, if this is really New York City, what is the next day Mike and the Dog?

• 1:56:18Bill Simmons?

  Well, so, or is it 1995 Mike and the Dog or 1994?

• 1:56:22Chris Ryan?

  I don't know, what is it?

• 1:56:23Bill Simmons?

  Hey, we have- Cause they're filming this in 94, but I, I, because the movie came out in May 95, we have to assume it happened in May 95. So the Knicks are in the playoffs, and I think Dog's like, "Mike, we gotta talk about what's going on in New York City later, but first game three, Knicks paces. Let's talk about, uh, what, what does Huey got to do? Later on, we're gonna talk about how things blowing up, Mike." I think it was a huge day in New York.

• 1:56:48Chris Ryan?

  I just went to Bonwit last week.

• 1:56:51Bill Simmons?

  I, I went to Bonwit Tella three weeks ago. It's a staple of the city.

• 1:56:57Bill Simmons?

  But driving through Central Park, Dog, it's just crazy. I just can't believe they did that.

• 1:57:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think they get to- Second hour.

• 1:57:07Speaker 02

  Take some calls.

• 1:57:08Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. And then we gotta talk Rangers, Mike.

• 1:57:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:12Bill Simmons?

  Uh, what piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie?

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  I want her knife.

• 1:57:22Chris Ryan?

  The scythe?

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  The little scythe that she has.

• 1:57:25Bill Simmons?

  That's good.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  I thought I wanted a gold bar, but it's gonna be a fake gold bar. How much is one of those gold bars worth?

• 1:57:29Bill Simmons?

  I'd want one of the bricks, like a game used, diehard gold brick.

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  Bricked up.

• 1:57:34Bill Simmons?

  Movie, movie used.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  Like, how, how, how much, how much would one actual gold bar like that, for real? Like, how much?

• 1:57:39Bill Simmons?

  So apparently they're 25 pounds.

• 1:57:41Speaker 02

  But how much is it worth? A 25 pound gold bar?

• 1:57:43Bill Simmons?

  Depends on the price of gold at the time.

• 1:57:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, at any given moment.

• 1:57:46Speaker 02

  Just, I know, I understand financial shit, but like, what's the ball?

• 1:57:50Bill Simmons?

  Well, I don't, it would depend on gold by the pounds. So what is it by the pound? If it's like a hundred dollars by the pound, then that's the price. So it's a brick.

• 1:58:01Chris Ryan?

  See.

• 1:58:01Bill Simmons?

  They always say buy gold. It's like, gold never goes down.

• 1:58:05Chris Ryan?

  I can't figure this out.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  Okay. Do this.

• 1:58:08Bill Simmons?

  I'm sure somebody will email us.

• 1:58:09Chris Ryan?

  It's a hundred and eight dollars by the gram today.

• 1:58:11Speaker 02

  By the gram?

• 1:58:13Chris Ryan?

  Thirty-three hundred dollars by the ounce.

• 1:58:16Bill Simmons?

  By the ounce? Thirty-three hundred dollars by the ounce?

• 1:58:18Chris Ryan?

  That's what it said.

• 1:58:20Speaker 02

  How many ounces in a pound? Fucking, uh, math.

• 1:58:24Chris Ryan?

  Gold price per ounce, three thousand, three hundred and sixty-seven dollars right now.

• 1:58:29Bill Simmons?

  So each brick was like over a hundred thousand dollars?

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Look at you. Jugs.

• 1:58:36Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. What do you got?

• 1:58:39Speaker 02

  If we can beat racism, we can beat Europe.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  They work together, they beat racism, and then they beat the Germans, just like we did in fucking forty-four, baby.

• 1:58:51Bill Simmons?

  I love it. I, I was gonna say, just don't count out the divorced alcoholics in your life.

• 1:58:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:55Bill Simmons?

  They never know when you're gonna surprise you.

• 1:58:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:58Chris Ryan?

  I was gonna say, for the piece of memorabilia that I would want is the packaged shirt they hand John McClane at the police station. To be like, here, you gotta put something else on. And then I would wear that shirt for my entire alcoholic era of podcasting.

• 1:59:14Bill Simmons?

  If the sandwich board was

• 1:59:19Speaker 02

  Oh shit. Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:59:21Bill Simmons?

  It was CGI.

• 1:59:22Speaker 02

  I don't wanna have to defend.

• 1:59:24Bill Simmons?

  No, and you're at somebody's house and they're like, yo, I have the sandwich board. Do you want it?

• 1:59:29Speaker 02

  You know what's funny is all the random shit.

• 1:59:31Chris Ryan?

  You know, if he wore that in Boston, people would be like, hey, man, how's it going?

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  See, yeah.

• 1:59:36Chris Ryan?

  What the hell?

• 1:59:37Speaker 02

  Probably hanging.

• 1:59:38Chris Ryan?

  Can I get one of those?

• 1:59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, where'd you get that at?

• 1:59:40Bill Simmons?

  Would you want the blank sandwich board?

• 1:59:42Speaker 02

  No, no, I don't want the blank sandwich board.

• 1:59:44Bill Simmons?

  Pretty good artifact from the 90s movies. I wouldn't want it either. Uh, best of a feature choice. I'm gonna go with Die Hard.

• 1:59:51Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:59:52Bill Simmons?

  Go Die Hard, right to Die Hard 3.

• 1:59:54Chris Ryan?

  That's good.

• 1:59:54Bill Simmons?

  Skip Die Hard 2, which is kind of in its own universe.

• 1:59:57Speaker 02

  You know what I got?

• 1:59:58Bill Simmons?

  Under Siege?

• 1:59:59Speaker 02

  I got The Siege.

• 2:00:01Chris Ryan?

  Oh, cuz it's another New York. That's really good.

• 2:00:04Speaker 02

  All whatever with Bruce Willis, who kind of starts off like he's gonna be the hero and that, then ends up being an asshole.

• 2:00:08Bill Simmons?

  I still haven't decided whether I like that movie and it came out like almost 30 years ago.

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  Fucking every time I look at it.

• 2:00:14Bill Simmons?

  I might have to watch it again.

• 2:00:15Speaker 02

  It, it, well, yeah.

• 2:00:16Bill Simmons?

  My dad's here all weekend. Maybe I'll make him watch it.

• 2:00:18Speaker 02

  It gets better every time I look at it.

• 2:00:19Chris Ryan?

  It's really good, Denzel, and it's really good Willis.

• 2:00:23Speaker 02

  Like a, a off kilter, uh, kinda Annette Bening?

• 2:00:26Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. Uh, I would probably, I'll just go Pulp Fiction.

• 2:00:33Bill Simmons?

  Who won the movie?

• 2:00:36Chris Ryan?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna say Sam Jackson.

• 2:00:39Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:00:39Chris Ryan?

  Because I think.

• 2:00:41Bill Simmons?

  I had Sam as well.

• 2:00:42Chris Ryan?

  It's the breath of fresh air that the franchise needed. It's one of those rare moments when you can tell, I don't know if this is literally true, but at least on screen, you can tell that the star is happy to share the screen with the person and is like, you, you got this scene. Like, you can, you can make, you can make fun of me. You can like make me look stupid. You can make me look small minded or whatever. I, I love acting with you. And I think he just gives this movie a new life.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go Willis. It's just hard to beat the character of, of, uh, of John McClane.

• 2:01:14Bill Simmons?

  I think Sam Jackson wins because Pulp Fiction no longer becomes a fluke.

• 2:01:19Speaker 02

  I see what you mean.

• 2:01:20Bill Simmons?

  He is now there. He can help carry a major, major movie and now the rest of his career falls into place. And the movie stands the test of time. People love it. Like, like CR was at, what, what theater were you at?

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  Vidiot, yeah.

• 2:01:35Chris Ryan?

  Vidiot on Sunday night.

• 2:01:36Bill Simmons?

  How many people?

• 2:01:37Chris Ryan?

  Packed house.

• 2:01:38Bill Simmons?

  People loving it.

• 2:01:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, on a Sunday night.

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  Have, have you guys done, have we done the last Boy Scout?

• 2:01:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:48Speaker 02

  That was-

• 2:01:48Bill Simmons?

  Left-handed throw is tough.

• 2:01:52Bill Simmons?

  Don't know why they had to sink that in. Let me ask you, what is more intriguing to you, Florida Keys Month or New Orleans Month?

• 2:02:01Chris Ryan?

  What do, what do we got for the Keys?

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's in there?

• 2:02:04Bill Simmons?

  Out of Time?

• 2:02:05Speaker 02

  Oh shit. Out of Time is that shit.

• 2:02:07Chris Ryan?

  What's the Hackman movie?

• 2:02:09Bill Simmons?

  When I say I've been scouting Out of Time, it's like the fucking Mavericks studying Cooper flag tape at this point. Like, it's gonna happen this summer. Just telling you.

• 2:02:17Speaker 02

  Here's the only thing about New Orleans Month versus Florida Keys Month. It really comes down to, in my opinion, a battle between Angel Heart and Out of Time. And like, which movie do you wanna do more? And that is a tough decision to make. And Angel Heart rewatchable-

• 2:02:34Bill Simmons?

  Heaven's Prisoner-

• 2:02:34Speaker 02

  Fucking unhinged.

• 2:02:36Bill Simmons?

  It's on the list.

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  Heaven's Prisoners, Angel Heart.

• 2:02:40Bill Simmons?

  What are the other two New Orleans movies? Big Easy?

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  I mean, I would say we should do-

• 2:02:44Bill Simmons?

  Can I throw a Florida Keys?

• 2:02:45Speaker 02

  Let's do it again, but-

• 2:02:46Bill Simmons?

  Have you ever watched Night-

• 2:02:47Speaker 02

  Let's Do It Again. The movie Let's Do It Again.

• 2:02:50Bill Simmons?

  Oh, Let's Do It Again.

• 2:02:51Speaker 02

  Uptown Saturday Night with Bill Cosby and-

• 2:02:54Bill Simmons?

  Oh, you're going way back.

• 2:02:55Speaker 02

  And then Let's Do It Again, uh, with-

• 2:02:58Bill Simmons?

  How about Tightrope with Clint Eastwood?

• 2:03:00Speaker 02

  Tightrope with Clint Eastwood.

• 2:03:01Bill Simmons?

  Going through the French Quarter looking for-

• 2:03:02Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:03Bill Simmons?

  Looking for a sexual assaultor and kinda gets pulled in. He's into deep, he's getting into the dark side.

• 2:03:09Chris Ryan?

  Maybe we should do Into Deep Month.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Into Deep Month is good.

• 2:03:14Chris Ryan?

  Crossing the line month.

• 2:03:15Bill Simmons?

  Tightrope's a good one.

• 2:03:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:16Bill Simmons?

  He's like, you know what? I kinda, kinda like the dark side of the French Quarter.

• 2:03:21Speaker 02

  We could re-eight millimeter.

• 2:03:24Chris Ryan?

  Well, that would be a good time to do the re-Miami Vice.

• 2:03:28Bill Simmons?

  We're doing that live in LA.

• 2:03:30Chris Ryan?

  Uh, my favorite Florida Keys, I think, is Night Moves, which is about Ha- Hackman plays an ex-football player turned private eye.

• 2:03:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:38Chris Ryan?

  Who has to go search for the teenage daughter of a B-movie actress in the Keys.

• 2:03:43Bill Simmons?

  Wild Things is Keys too, right?

• 2:03:45Speaker 02

  Wild Things is Keys. Wait, Wild Things might just be Miami.

• 2:03:49Bill Simmons?

  I think it's the Keys.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  Is it?

• 2:03:51Chris Ryan?

  We could do.

• 2:03:53Speaker 02

  South Florida.

• 2:03:53Chris Ryan?

  We could do South Florida Month and get Scarface in finally.

• 2:03:56Bill Simmons?

  South Florida Month.

• 2:03:57Speaker 02

  South Florida Month would be Scarface, Wild Things, Miami Vice.

• 2:04:02Bill Simmons?

  Florida Month.

• 2:04:03Speaker 02

  South Florida Month, yeah. Scarface, Wild Things.

• 2:04:05Bill Simmons?

  That gets a little more interesting. I feel like the Keys are the most underrated, uh, movie location.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  Miami.

• 2:04:11Bill Simmons?

  Movie TV. What was that? What was that Netflix show?

• 2:04:14Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Bloodline.

• 2:04:16Bill Simmons?

  Really used the Keys nicely.

• 2:04:17Chris Ryan?

  Good first season, yeah.

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  I just can't think of that many movies that are set in the Keys that like, besides the ones we talked about.

• 2:04:23Bill Simmons?

  I'm upset that New Orleans hasn't been in more movies.

• 2:04:25Chris Ryan?

  Well, it stands in for everything. They shoot so much there.

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  But there's a ton that we're, we're forgetting. There's, obviously the movie, The Big Easy. Did you like that movie?

• 2:04:33Chris Ryan?

  What's the?

• 2:04:34Bill Simmons?

  I did, but it hasn't aged great.

• 2:04:35Chris Ryan?

  What's the Alec Baldwin?

• 2:04:37Bill Simmons?

  Pretty dated. The Heaven's Prisoners is a classic.

• 2:04:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, I mean, there's, there's, there's films on it. We just, we're not, we're not thinking about them. And then there are a lot of movies that go down.

• 2:04:46Bill Simmons?

  I knew you'd be here, Robishaw.

• 2:04:49Speaker 02

  Hey, can I tell you something about that? That movie is the movie where I realized that it wasn't quite gonna happen for Alec Baldwin.

• 2:04:57Chris Ryan?

  Is Angel Heart New Orleans?

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  It is.

• 2:05:00Bill Simmons?

  Come on, CR.

• 2:05:01Chris Ryan?

  That's what I thought.

• 2:05:03Speaker 02

  Louis Seifert. Because Heaven's.

• 2:05:04Bill Simmons?

  That's the, that's the movie that gets the rewatchables canceled and from Spotify. They're like, we, we'd no longer like to see it.

• 2:05:13Speaker 02

  Can I be real? When you go back and you look at that movie, there was a lot of scandal around it during that time. It ages actually better than some of the other films that, I mean, obviously she's doing wild shit in the movie.

• 2:05:29Bill Simmons?

  Cliff Huxtable's daughter being in that movie was the single craziest thing that happened in the 1980s. I would put it against anything else that happened in the 80s.

• 2:05:38Speaker 02

  It was a conversation.

• 2:05:40Bill Simmons?

  You can't even understand what that was like.

• 2:05:41Speaker 02

  My mother was like, what is that girl doing? Because the movie was set in New Orleans. It was a big deal. Like, my mother was like, what is that girl doing? Like, cause it was like Angel Heart was a devil worshiping movie and stuff like that.

• 2:05:52Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that.

• 2:05:54Bill Simmons?

  That was America's Family.

• 2:05:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:57Bill Simmons?

  Still can't believe it.

• 2:05:58Speaker 02

  You could also do.

• 2:05:59Bill Simmons?

  Like, just hearing rumors about, oh, there's a big sex scene in this movie. It's like, with Lisa Bonet?

• 2:06:05Speaker 02

  Covered in blood.

• 2:06:06Bill Simmons?

  And then you go to the movie and you actually see it and you're like, ah, I, I, I just. Ah.

• 2:06:14Speaker 02

  You could also do controversy month. Movies that went crazy with.

• 2:06:19Chris Ryan?

  Oh, really controversial films.

• 2:06:21Speaker 02

  Really controversial films.

• 2:06:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, could almost be like, holy fuck, this was a big deal month.

• 2:06:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Angel Heart was one of those. Well, then there was the whole thing with Angel Heart about whether they actually had sex or not.

• 2:06:32Speaker 02

  Whether or not they were actually.

• 2:06:33Bill Simmons?

  That would be a good month. Did they actually have sex or not?

• 2:06:36Chris Ryan?

  Don't look, yeah.

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  Uh, Monsters Ball.

• 2:06:41Speaker 02

  Where there's some talk.

• 2:06:45Speaker 02

  There's some talk. There's talk.

• 2:06:47Bill Simmons?

  Don't Look That with Julie Christie and Donald Sutherland. That was a famous one.

• 2:06:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:51Speaker 02

  Last Tango in Paris. Was there talk?

• 2:06:54Bill Simmons?

  Can't remember that one.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:56Chris Ryan?

  Uh, that one was problematic, yeah.

• 2:06:57Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that became a problematic one later. There's been, there's been over the years, there's been. There was one where the couple, oh, Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger in The Getaway.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  And they.

• 2:07:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. Maybe they.

• 2:07:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:08Bill Simmons?

  Maybe they took some liberties.

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  See, this is my thing with Alec Baldwin. I don't know, I know we've got to wrap up, but all of these movies mean something to me. The Getaway, I fucking loved. Heaven's Prisoners, I loved. I like these movies, but people just. They weren't fucking with him. Like, it just wasn't.

• 2:07:25Chris Ryan?

  I think they were fucking with him. I think Alec was like making some weird choices.

• 2:07:29Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:29Chris Ryan?

  I mean, he talked his way out of Jack Ryan. It's not like they were like, you know, this fuck hunt for October, we gotta get.

• 2:07:35Bill Simmons?

  Where do you stand on the Mexican?

• 2:07:37Speaker 02

  Uh, the Brad Pitt one?

• 2:07:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Julia Roberts, Gandolfini.

• 2:07:40Speaker 02

  Saw her once or twice. Don't really have a real.

• 2:07:44Bill Simmons?

  It's not very good, but Gandolfini is great in that movie.

• 2:07:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:48Bill Simmons?

  Gandolfini was just great for the entire nineties and nobody was kind of on it.

• 2:07:52Speaker 02

  It's Jordy, True Romance.

• 2:07:54Bill Simmons?

  Eight Millimeter.

• 2:07:54Chris Ryan?

  He was so demented in True Romance, yeah.

• 2:07:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever. But like, he, he, he was like fantastic. And then, once again. Kind of gets to that point. And I don't know, it doesn't happen as much anymore to me, where by the time Tony Soprano comes around, you go, oh, so it's his turn now. They're finally giving him something.

• 2:08:12Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 2:08:13Speaker 02

  Good.

• 2:08:14Bill Simmons?

  Watched Swingers with my wife and, uh, my daughter and her boyfriend who was in town. And, uh, it was my wife was insisting that they would like it. And I was like, all right, they're not gonna like it. And we watched it. They both loved it.

• 2:08:26Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's good.

• 2:08:27Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Swingers. Still like really solid. Movie's almost thirty years old. We did it on the rewatchables a million years ago, but I was like surprised how much they liked it.

• 2:08:36Chris Ryan?

  That's cool.

• 2:08:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. You never know what's gonna age and not age.

• 2:08:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I wonder if they would like Go, for instance.

• 2:08:43Speaker 02

  We let go.

• 2:08:44Bill Simmons?

  We let go.

• 2:08:45Speaker 02

  It, I love swingers, but I always think about the scene where Fabro's character calls that girl like 90 times.

• 2:08:53Bill Simmons?

  That's what, they were going nuts what a loser he was.

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  And that, that, that is so tough to watch.

• 2:08:58Bill Simmons?

  It's, he has like three or four scenes in that movie where like my daughter was like, oh my God, what's wrong with this guy? But she kinda liked it, but it's a really fun snapshot of LA. Even as the years pass and LA has changed since we've even been here.

• 2:09:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:13Bill Simmons?

  Um, just what LA was like back then, pre-internet.

• 2:09:15Speaker 02

  Last thing I'll say. There's no defining piece of whatever of LA culture like now. And that's what some of these things kinda miss. During that time, it was like, oh my God, I wanna go to LA because it's like, uh, I mean, there's Beverly Hills, 90210, there's Melrose Place, there's swingers, there's even.

• 2:09:36Chris Ryan?

  Entourage.

• 2:09:37Speaker 02

  And then Entourage.

• 2:09:37Bill Simmons?

  There's indie movies happening.

• 2:09:39Speaker 02

  For the next, like, generation. And now, cities having personalities like that. It's, everything's so homogenous, it's kinda like, doesn't exist unless I'm missing some stuff.

• 2:09:49Chris Ryan?

  No, I mean, I think the last big LA thing was probably Insecure.

• 2:09:52Bill Simmons?

  Listen, I hope Joanna.

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  Insecure is great.

• 2:09:55Bill Simmons?

  Hopefully Joanna didn't hear that, cause we're trying to convince her to move to LA.

• 2:09:59Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:10:00Bill Simmons?

  LA's great, it's so cool here, there's so many different awesome pockets.

• 2:10:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm telling you, it's very, it's very politically active, you know what I mean?

• 2:10:08Bill Simmons?

  It's really a special place.

• 2:10:09Speaker 02

  They got great cats here.

• 2:10:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:10Speaker 02

  All that kinda stuff.

• 2:10:11Bill Simmons?

  I liked your point about Die Hard with a Vengeance just ending 30 minutes in because somebody couldn't have gotten from Manhattan Beach to Brentwood.

• 2:10:18Speaker 02

  Boom!

• 2:10:21Bill Simmons?

  Fuck, how do I get to Brentwood? 405's clogged. Uh, all right, Chris Ryan, thank you, Ben Lathan, thank you, Jack Sanders. Do you, is your mic on or no?

• 2:10:31Speaker 05

  It is.

• 2:10:32Bill Simmons?

  What was your take on Die Hard with a Vengeance?

• 2:10:34Speaker 05

  I think when Bruce Willis found out that Sam Jackson was going to be his co-star in this film, it was the closest any person on the planet Earth has felt to the moment when LeBron James found out the Cavs traded for Kevin Love.

• 2:10:46Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 2:10:47Bill Simmons?

  Wow.

• 2:10:47Speaker 02

  Look at Jack!

• 2:10:48Bill Simmons?

  Jack!

• 2:10:50Speaker 05

  I just think like, this is my favorite Die Hard. I think it's better than the original one, personally, even though I think there are plenty of nicks to pit. Yeah. But when Sam Jackson shows up in the beginning of the movie, you're locked in. Yeah. He's, he elevates the movie so much, it's

• 2:11:09Chris Ryan?

  Call 911.

• 2:11:10Speaker 05

  It's amazing.

• 2:11:10Chris Ryan?

  About to get killed.

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  Call, tell them somebody, you're dying, somebody's about to get killed.

• 2:11:13Bill Simmons?

  I was afraid to even go to Jack after the Mets got annihilated by the Braves. I didn't know what kind of

• 2:11:18Speaker 05

  Not worried.

• 2:11:19Bill Simmons?

  But I thought that was pretty good.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  It's a long season.

• 2:11:20Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Alright guys.

• 2:11:22Speaker 02

  Great seeing you.

• 2:11:23Bill Simmons?

  Great seeing you.

• 2:11:37Bill Simmons?

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