‘Star Wars: A New Hope’ (Part Two) With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan

The Rewatchables is what gives a movie lover his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. In Part 2, Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan run through the categories for George Lucas’s ‘Star Wars: A New Hope’. Manager: Craig Horlbeck Video Producers: Ronak Nair, Jack Sanders Audio Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 3:05Speaker 04

  All right, rewatchables, part two. How many rewatchables have we done two-parters for?

• 3:09Chris Ryan?

  We did Boogies. Pulp got two?

• 3:12Sean Fennessey?

  I think this is the third one.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Boogies? Yeah. Wow. Didn't even know this was gonna be a part two, but then part one lasted so long, we were like, Jesus, we haven't even gotten to a category yet.

• 3:21Chris Ryan?

  I feel like if we redid JFK, I would go two parts, because now we have more documentation.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  Who said, why can't we go Lucas on it? And just dive back and just try to keep making it better.

• 3:29Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good idea. We should digitally edit that one to get more conspiracy theory in there.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  Let's take categories, because there is a lot to cover. Most rewatchable scene, opening shootout scene in Darth entrance? That's in there, right?

• 3:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Yes. First appearance of Darth Vader.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Luke meets Obi-Wan, hears about his dad.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  Now that's a name I haven't heard for a long time.

• 3:55Chris Ryan?

  That was good. Not bad. Not bad at all.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  He's working on it. Of course I know him. He's me.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  We gotta save C-3PO. We find out that Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force. What does that mean, CR?

• 4:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  Dark side of the Force.

• 4:14Chris Ryan?

  Just giving into your evil impulse.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  What does that mean?

• 4:16Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's a whole prequel trilogy about how that happened.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  It's an energy field of all living things.

• 4:21Chris Ryan?

  Out there.

• 4:21Speaker 04

  Just grab it.

• 4:25Chris Ryan?

  What's his name in Heat? What's that guy's name? It's Tom Noonan character.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  I don't know if he has a name.

• 4:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he does.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  That he has a name in the movie? Whatever. How do they name characters that we never see?

• 4:34Sean Fennessey?

  Kelso.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  Um, this is a short scene for me. I just wrote down Vader fucks up the conference room meeting and choke forces out a dude. Fucks up.

• 4:44Chris Ryan?

  Oh, you mean like in a wow, you fuck, you fuck that guy up?

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:47Chris Ryan?

  Not like you fucked up the.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  No, he wrecks the meeting.

• 4:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  And then chokes out a dude. Cause the guy calls him out.

• 4:52Chris Ryan?

  Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fort.

• 5:19Sean Fennessey?

  Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways.

• 5:23Chris Ryan?

  He found his.

• 5:23Sean Fennessey?

  That guy is amazing.

• 5:24Speaker 04

  He is.

• 5:25Sean Fennessey?

  I love that guy.

• 5:25Speaker 04

  Like, and he is, he's so certain, and he doesn't know who he's fucking with. He's but the first one to be choked out, cause after Tarkin is dead, Vader's fucking on. He's off the leash for the next couple of movies choking out everyone. It was like when Dillon Brooks talked back to Jimmy Butler.

• 5:42Speaker 04

  It's like, don't do that. Jimmy got choked out. Dillon's body language, not the greatest there. No. Seems like he was up against a bigger lion. Sometimes you know. You're right. Sometimes you can tell by the pupils. Um, it's all right to enjoy every Vader moment of this movie, right?

• 6:00Chris Ryan?

  It'd be amazing if Vader was like, get ready to learn Chinese.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Get ready to learn Chinese.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  The Star Wars bar.

• 6:13Sean Fennessey?

  The Cantina.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  By the way, you can throw in, after I'm done, I just, I tried to cut it down. I got you. I think this is the one of the best scenes of the entire seventies. It, it has led to a lot of comedy, lot of jokes over the years of, oh my God, what bar did we just walk into? Is this a Star Wars bar? Just a million of those. We don't serve droids here?

• 6:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Droid racism. Why not? Yeah.

• 6:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, what's wrong with droids?

• 6:36Speaker 04

  Droid racism.

• 6:37Chris Ryan?

  Droids can buy a beer? Well, we didn't know at the time, the droids, they had some problems with the droids.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  They had some problems with the droids. The droids are. Oh, tell me, what were the problems? I actually don't know what you're talking about.

• 6:46Chris Ryan?

  Isn't, weren't the droids part of like the clone army or whatever? Like, weren't they?

• 6:50Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no. Well, do you think they know, see through, they know free field?

• 6:54Speaker 00

  And and R2-D2 from before?

• 6:58Chris Ryan?

  No, I meant like they just have like an antagonism towards droids in general.

• 7:02Speaker 00

  Right, so during.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  Droid bias.

• 7:04Speaker 00

  Well, during, well, not the Clone Wars, but prior to the Clone Wars, like.

• 7:09Chris Ryan?

  This is why I can't be a Star Wars fan.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  What?

• 7:12Chris Ryan?

  Well, no, it's not.

• 7:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, Craig's out. Craig just left.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  Well, no.

• 7:15Chris Ryan?

  I'm asking if that's why he said.

• 7:17Speaker 00

  I don't know. I actually, I actually don't know.

• 7:19Sean Fennessey?

  He said it because droids don't drink and they take up space in bars.

• 7:22Chris Ryan?

  No, Sean, come on.

• 7:24Speaker 00

  But, but the original, when the Trade Federation, when it first started, everybody they were fighting, it was all droids.

• 7:30Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 7:30Speaker 00

  So maybe they didn't like droids. They didn't want droids around.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Do you think they should have given?

• 7:33Chris Ryan?

  He's like, there's a square footage issue. So many drinks, they need to turn over.

• 7:37Sean Fennessey?

  That is not as big as it looks, you know?

• 7:40Speaker 04

  The, do you think C3PO should add a Boston accent and then got mad at the bartender and be like, you think you're mad at me?

• 7:47Chris Ryan?

  Do you, do you like the Star Wars cantina more or less than the verdict bar?

• 7:51Speaker 04

  No, the verdict bar is number one. Does, is this bar the same set as the Bar and Raiders?

• 7:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's not, but it, they have a similar energy.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, with the, like, the way the bar is set up?

• 8:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, a lot of scoundrels in the mix there.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  Uh, we get Monster with testicles on his chin. We get the negotiation with Han Solo for 17K. And most important, we get a shootout with Han and Greedo, which becomes the most, I never knew anything about this, so the research.

• 8:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  Uh, the Star Wars universe loses their fucking minds about this.

• 8:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  Why, why is this so important?

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Because it's central to Han Solo's character and.

• 8:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's the MJ versus LeBron of nerd culture.

• 8:30Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 8:31Chris Ryan?

  Over my dead body.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  It's central to Han's character.

• 8:46Speaker 04

  Well, can you, can you go backwards? So in the first cut of the movie, which no longer exists, people think Greedo never shot at him?

• 8:54Sean Fennessey?

  Han shot first.

• 8:55Speaker 00

  Han shot first.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  That's why they have the Han shot first T-shirts. But then in 97, what happens?

• 8:59Speaker 00

  They change it to where Greedo takes a shot at Han.

• 9:02Sean Fennessey?

  And misses.

• 9:03Speaker 00

  And then Han shoots.

• 9:04Speaker 04

  And Han like ducks?

• 9:05Sean Fennessey?

  And Greedo's like, McClunky, which is like a line that was not in the movie originally.

• 9:09Speaker 04

  And the fucking, and the Star Wars nerds lost their minds.

• 9:12Speaker 00

  So this is the deal.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  This was like the most egregious violation.

• 9:15Sean Fennessey?

  They retcon his decency.

• 9:16Speaker 00

  Right. And this is the thing, right?

• 9:20Speaker 04

  This is, to me, emblematic of what happens to something when it is consumed by the masses. Solo has already been established as a good guy. He goes from being a scoundrel and someone who only thinks about himself to being a good guy. We don't need to make him a good guy at his core. His character arc is that he finds value in his friends and in his relationships and then becomes-

• 9:45Chris Ryan?

  He comes back at the end. He's our guy.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  That's the value of it. We don't need him to always, at his core, have been a good guy. He is the type of guy that says, "Oh, you're here for this? I recognize my opportunity. I will kill you before you have the opportunity to kill me." Can I ask you a random question?

• 10:04Sean Fennessey?

  They shouldn't have changed it.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  What would have been a better name for a rapper, Han Solo or Greedo?

• 10:08Chris Ryan?

  Greedo is the rapper's name.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Oh, three Greedo is Grape Tree Crips.

• 10:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  I can bring him in here. Is it actually Greedo or is it like an extended name? His name is Oh, Three Greedo. Oh, three, but that's not Greedo. His name is Greedo, though.

• 10:22Sean Fennessey?

  Inspired by Greedo.

• 10:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. Great name.

• 10:25Sean Fennessey?

  It is. Grape Street. Very unforgettable.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Um.

• 10:28Sean Fennessey?

  Who da, who da, Solo?

• 10:29Speaker 04

  We should go down to Watts. This is what we should, we should go down to Watts. That's what we should have had in for this, like the actual- Star Wars and in the Star Wars pod in Watts? In Watts. We should, should have gone down and, and did it with the grape streets. They'd have been- I'm gonna move on.

• 10:47Speaker 04

  Uh, I have R2 and Chewie playing circle chess. What, what, what's going on there, CR?

• 10:52Chris Ryan?

  They're just playing futuristic 3D Risk chess. Yeah. You skipped one of my favorite low-key scenes, though.

• 10:58Speaker 04

  But go, go, stop. I'm-

• 11:00Chris Ryan?

  Tarkin making Leia watch him blow up her planet while Darth puts his dad hands on her?

• 11:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 11:06Chris Ryan?

  Really, like-

• 11:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's pure kink. That is kink right there.

• 11:09Chris Ryan?

  And it's also like one of the most, illest things I've ever seen.

• 11:13Chris Ryan?

  I grow tired of asking this, so it'll be the last time.

• 11:17Speaker 07

  Where is the rebel base?

• 11:23Speaker 07

  Dantuin.

• 11:25Speaker 07

  They're on Dantuin. There. You see, Lord Vader, she can be reasonable. Continue with the operation. You may fire when ready. What? You're far too trusting.

• 11:36Chris Ryan?

  Dantuin is too remote to make an effective demonstration, but don't worry. We will deal with your rebel friends soon enough.

• 11:45Chris Ryan?

  Commence primary ignition. When I was a kid, the first time I was like, there, I could blow that planet up, though. Not just to test the weapon.

• 11:54Speaker 04

  Sets the stakes of the movie.

• 11:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Also, look at the sheer shock and horror on her face. When he goes, ready the weapon system, fire it, fire it, Will.

• 12:04Chris Ryan?

  And would you say you're far too trusting?

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're far too trusting. Ready, fire, Will. What? And then she has to watch everyone, her family, everybody she's ever known, blown up.

• 12:14Chris Ryan?

  To be fair, though, she gets over it pretty quick.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Hands on the wheel.

• 12:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:18Sean Fennessey?

  I have some notes about that a little later, yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  Well, during the circle chest scene, we get, we learn that it's not wise to upset a Wookiee.

• 12:27Speaker 04

  Luke tries to figure out the force of the lightsaber. Solo's like, fuck it, I don't believe in the force. You guys are fucking crazy. And then, uh, and Obi's just coming in with the, your eyes can deceive if you don't trust them. Doing his thing. I really like all that's going on in that scene. There's just, there's a board game going on.

• 12:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  There's somebody trying to figure out the force. Han Solo's cracking shit. You went on that scene? Of course. Okay. I have the Falcon crew breaking into the mothership.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  What are, what are our thoughts about Chewie with a gun?

• 13:04Speaker 04

  What's going on with him?

• 13:07Chris Ryan?

  He's, he's a prisoner, so he's pretending to be.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Would you want to break into a mothership with that guy?

• 13:17Chris Ryan?

  It's so close to long legs.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  How dare you talk about Chewbacca this way?

• 13:27Sean Fennessey?

  Did you look in the mirror last night?

• 13:29Speaker 04

  I told you when I had this coffee. I was gonna be fucking lit.

• 13:33Sean Fennessey?

  But you came in with like a really good elegance, like a really good.

• 13:37Speaker 04

  Thanks, man.

• 13:38Sean Fennessey?

  And then you just blacked out.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, what the fuck, why are you treating Chewie this way?

• 13:43Chris Ryan?

  The muscle, you gotta have him.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  The princess.

• 13:46Sean Fennessey?

  Eh?

• 13:47Speaker 04

  They're gonna save her. We've we figure out.

• 13:49Sean Fennessey?

  Are they gonna fight her?

• 13:50Speaker 04

  For a stormtrooper, yeah. Vader, how do you feel about Vader? It's like.

• 13:55Sean Fennessey?

  A presence I've not felt since.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  What is this?

• 13:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  Feel feeling of.

• 14:01Chris Ryan?

  Remember, that's his master, that's his teacher.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:04Chris Ryan?

  Locked in the force, and this is their third duel that they've had. There's Mustafar, then there's the duel that happened in the Obi-Wan movie.

• 14:12Sean Fennessey?

  We don't we don't recognize that, yeah.

• 14:14Chris Ryan?

  And so this is the, I agree. And so this is the third duel that they have, but this is a guy who's been training him since he was a little boy. So they're connected in the force.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  He also cut him to pieces and threw him in lava.

• 14:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  He's probably like, hmm.

• 14:25Sean Fennessey?

  This is the all time, well, I'll say it for Apex now.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  I'm pissed off.

• 14:29Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  It turns out he's not feeling the force. It's Bill Belichick's girlfriend. He's trying to interrupt the scene.

• 14:37Chris Ryan?

  She's got a little bit of Princess Leia energy.

• 14:39Sean Fennessey?

  Should she have been there when Leia was being questioned about the location of the rebel? We're not talking about that.

• 14:45Chris Ryan?

  Talking about that.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  How do you feel about escape is not his plan? I must face him alone.

• 14:52Sean Fennessey?

  You just slipped into Charles Bronson.

• 14:55Speaker 04

  I guess. I just watched Death Wish.

• 14:57Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean the force?

• 15:00Speaker 04

  Uh, how do you feel about his plan to face Obi-Wan alone?

• 15:05Chris Ryan?

  Uh, they're still on journeys. Vader is still on a journey. He's just, Vader has a journey that was outlined for him and for the Emperor. There's so, it's so, the lore is so denser. But for him to, and Obi-Wan actually has a journey as well. He makes this decision to become one with the force. So that he can become a force ghost and all that stuff. So them facing each other is a separate battle than the one that's happening between the Empire and Rebellion.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  Little, little pro wrestling in this.

• 15:34Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 15:35Speaker 04

  It's like, we gotta do a steel cage match and really figure this out.

• 15:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  We've had a couple other matches. There's some double countouts.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  This is a loser leaves town.

• 15:44Sean Fennessey?

  Loser leaves his corporeal form.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  And we go right into the garbage hole? What would you call it?

• 15:49Sean Fennessey?

  Compactor.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Compactor?

• 15:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 15:55Chris Ryan?

  Are you that soon? 3PO? We've had some problems. Will you shut up and listen to me? Shut down all the garbage matches on the detention level, will ya? Do you copy? Shut down all the garbage matches on the detention level!

• 16:10Speaker 04

  And we get the garbage snake. Now, was that in the original movie, or did they add shit?

• 16:14Chris Ryan?

  That's actually the name of Vance's favorite Axel Brawn movie.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Garbage snake. It's a dark, dark, dark movie. This whole scene is really, really... This is... Would you say this is the, uh, what's our category for the, uh... Okay, motherfucker!

• 16:30Chris Ryan?

  It's up there.

• 16:31Speaker 04

  This is when it really kicks off.

• 16:32Chris Ryan?

  I think okay motherfuckers would Darth Vader blast through a door in the first scene, but it's... This is so cool, even though like, some of the physics of it don't really make any sense.

• 16:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:42Chris Ryan?

  Uh, it's... I always... And I... Every time I watch it... Uh, I'm really nervous that they're not gonna get out. I'm worried that one of them's gonna go down.

• 16:51Speaker 04

  That they're gonna get squashed.

• 16:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  That they... It seems like every time, you're so happy that 3PO comes through.

• 16:56Chris Ryan?

  Cause they're so elated.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. That they don't get squashed. Squashing scenes always work, where people are like, "Ah, oh, uh, uh..." And you just...

• 17:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. One of my favorite cuts in the whole movie is when Luke has got the radio and he's screaming and he's saying, "3PO! 3PO!" And then it cuts to the mic on the other end, and 3PO's not there.

• 17:15Chris Ryan?

  Oh my god, yeah.

• 17:16Sean Fennessey?

  And you can hear it, and he's stuck behind the closet door.

• 17:18Chris Ryan?

  Or when 3PO thinks that they're all dead, and he's like, "Oh, damn it!"

• 17:23Speaker 04

  And then Chewie's like, "Rrrrgh!" Stop with the Chewie... 3PO is... Gets such a raw deal, cause a lot of Star Wars fans don't like 3PO. Really? Yeah, some...

• 17:33Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of annoying.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  He's annoying, but he's got some good lines. Well, R2 is a hero. R2 is a hero.

• 17:41Sean Fennessey?

  He shows up.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Don't, don't... Come on, you're doing so well.

• 17:44Sean Fennessey?

  He's kinda Draymond-y, I would say.

• 17:45Chris Ryan?

  He's fine.

• 17:46Sean Fennessey?

  You know, like...

• 17:46Chris Ryan?

  R2 or 3PO?

• 17:48Sean Fennessey?

  R2 is like Draymond, and Luke is Steph in this equation.

• 17:51Speaker 04

  Basically.

• 17:52Sean Fennessey?

  You know? Like, we need... Luke needs R2.

• 17:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, this is like his navigator.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like Draymond with no flagrants or anything. Yeah. And he always comes through. He's brave. He's... Fight he fights he's resourceful hold on it's brave little joy. Okay. He didn't he didn't knock my socks off in either viewing, but maybe I missed some stuff. Lot more stuff.

• 18:12Sean Fennessey?

  Cantina into Death Star Invasion into Compactor. Crack.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:17Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible sequencing.

• 18:18Speaker 04

  So good.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Darth first Obi Wan. No, I had the master.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  Your pals are weak old Ben. I'm starting to sound like Chung Lee a little bit.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Oh, uh. Bloodsport.

• 18:34Sean Fennessey?

  This will be a day long remembered. It has seen the end of Kenobi. It will soon see the end of the rebellion.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Did you want more from the saber fight or no?

• 18:44Chris Ryan?

  I think it was a sacrifice for very, you know, for a longer game.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Sir Alex, like little twirl move, kind of slow.

• 18:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, we can get into that.

• 18:52Speaker 04

  Little Kendrick Perkins in the low post, kind of jump hook energy.

• 18:55Chris Ryan?

  I watched the tape on this one when I got up in the morning.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  Wasn't great. They could they could have stunt doubled it maybe. He's old. Look, I will say that we reinvented the lightsaber battle in the prequel trilogy. Like, obviously Ray Park.

• 19:09Sean Fennessey?

  Doing flips and shit.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Doing flips and and but Lucas even used story to explain that. He goes, there were thousands of Jedi. It was a more elegant time, like like Obi Wan says, and they fought with more flair and more style. Seven different styles of lightsaber defense and offense. So J J Reddick, Plumbers and whatever he said.

• 19:31Sean Fennessey?

  But that's the future, not the past.

• 19:32Speaker 04

  But this is different. Yeah.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  Plumbers were in the old days. Now these guys haven't used a saber in a long time.

• 19:42Chris Ryan?

  If J J plays LeBron for another second half, it's gonna look like Alec Guinness.

• 19:47Sean Fennessey?

  These Jedis were driving cabs at night to make extra dough.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  I was trying to think like if like Shane and Sharp not being on First Take anymore, if they have to jumpstart the ratings, they should do segments where they do like stuff like them actually breaking down Obi Wan versus Vader, just being like, Obi, take the fight. He takes it. He just rolled over. This is why he wasn't the greatest Jedi. Just like hands. How many rings does Obi Wan have? What's he doing? He's just in the desert. It's not even a great Jedi.

• 20:20Sean Fennessey?

  What is he doing is a good question.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Two more scenes. The Millennium Falcon comes back to save Luke, which I don't remember seeing the experience of seeing this in the theater other than being like, whoa, outer space. But I guess a lot of times people cheered in the theater when the Falcon. Millennium Falcon showed up. That was like a, a moment, Ben. I have you now. Then out of nowhere, he's knocked out and they don't kill Vader. Yeah. They don't kill Vader. Great shot, kid. That was one in a million.

• 21:12Sean Fennessey?

  The trench run is my most rewatchable scene.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  This is.

• 21:15Sean Fennessey?

  This, this whole sequence.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Well, I had one more. It's, it's the same as the scene of the movie. I had one more scene. Okay. I kind of like the big ceremony at the end.

• 21:22Sean Fennessey?

  You do?

• 21:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do.

• 21:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's just kind of an epilogue. It's not really a, like, there's very little dialogue.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  Did Chewie get like a medal?

• 21:29Sean Fennessey?

  No, this is the whole thing.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  Oh, don't, don't act like, you, you know this, right? No, he's on the stage, but he doesn't get.

• 21:36Sean Fennessey?

  There's a whole thing about this. Because he never got a medal and they had to give him a medal in the later movies and, you know.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  Does it go against like monkey religion?

• 21:44Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, it's just like he got, he wasn't respected.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  I didn't understand why he was on the stage.

• 21:48Chris Ryan?

  Technically, what did he really do?

• 21:49Sean Fennessey?

  Wow. Wow. He's also disrespecting Chewie.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Chewie doesn't fly anything. Luke blows up the Death Star.

• 21:55Chris Ryan?

  His first mate of the Millennium Falcon.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was on board. Okay.

• 21:57Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, man.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  So you don't think, you don't think Chewie deserved a medal?

• 22:00Sean Fennessey?

  Are we sure Chewie is good?

• 22:01Speaker 04

  If it's a participation trophy, we can get it out. Not only do I think that Chewie deserved a medal, I think the droids should have got medals too.

• 22:08Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. There's a cutaway to the droids and they're just like.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  They're all shined up, but I think they should have got medals too. But just to let you know, the fact that Chewie didn't get a medal, uh, is a. Gigantic deal and in I think it's Rise of Skywalker.

• 22:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  An abomination of a film.

• 22:24Sean Fennessey?

  A movie in which he should have been killed.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  Right. Yes.

• 22:27Sean Fennessey?

  And they ended by giving him a medal.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  They gave him his medal. They gave Chewie his medal. I'm gonna do my CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award right now. Chewbacca most overrated sidekick ever.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Stands out everywhere he goes. You can't slide into any.

• 22:43Sean Fennessey?

  Super tough right now.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Just wait. It's the hottest take. I'm sorry.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Everywhere you go with him, he stands out. He's a fucking behemoth who's not gonna notice him. He speaks an unintelligible language that only one other person understands. He can't do anything. Okay, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He can't shoot guns. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You don't really see him fly shit. You don't know what the fuck.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Break down the door, Chewie. Superhuman strength.

• 23:12Chris Ryan?

  This is you did so well for like two hours.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  Hot take.

• 23:15Chris Ryan?

  You had another coffee.

• 23:16Speaker 04

  Hot take. You don't know what the fuck. Can I finish? He never uses his size of strength and I don't understand why he was even on the stage. Like, okay, first of all. He is like two stormtroopers. He is an expert pilot. He's actually an expert shot.

• 23:30Chris Ryan?

  Does he show piloting in this movie, though? Like, is he ever piloting the?

• 23:35Speaker 04

  Hit with the gun is embarrassing.

• 23:40Sean Fennessey?

  When they're leaving Tatooine and they're escaping and going in hyperspeed, you know Chewie was there. He was co-pilot.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  He's the co-pilot of Millennium Falcon.

• 23:50Sean Fennessey?

  That wasn't some.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  And by the way, he's the mechanic of the fucking ship.

• 23:52Sean Fennessey?

  The Kesselrund twelve, Harsec's didn't parsek itself.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  Fixes the ship. Remember the movie Sully? Who was the co-pilot? I don't remember.

• 23:59Chris Ryan?

  Aaron Eckhart.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't remember. See, I don't remember.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  hottest take. I thought. Also, the muscle, once again, he's. I want a little more. How about he could have fucked a couple more guys up?

• 24:15Sean Fennessey?

  I think he has more utility in the in the future films physically.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:19Sean Fennessey?

  In the in the next two.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  That's what I wanted. And by the way, it is. Fun to look at. Chewbacca that Kenobi talks to.

• 24:27Sean Fennessey?

  That's absolutely right.

• 24:28Speaker 04

  In order to get Luke and Kenobi. Obi onto the ship. He arranges the whole deal.

• 24:34Sean Fennessey?

  I, to me, I think there is a case for most rewatchable scene for the cantina scene. Cause the cantina scene gives you this. It gives you Obi-Wan wields a lightsaber. The first time you really see, which is very exciting. It's the first time you also see a limb get cut off in a Star Wars movie, something that recurs throughout all of these movies. You get Han and Greedo, which is super small character moment in a movie. That tells us a lot about the world that we're in. And then you get this great getaway sequence. That's all part of the cantina. Plus the jazz score and all the cool charac- like the creatures from that scene are all in that little 12 minute pocket of the movie.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  It sounds like you're making the case. For me, it's 100% the cantina.

• 25:13Sean Fennessey?

  You think it's the cantina?

• 25:14Chris Ryan?

  I think it's the trench run.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  I love the cantina.

• 25:17Sean Fennessey?

  My, my vote was gonna be trench run, but I do think there's a case for cantina.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  So it's so much fun. It's just the most fun 12 minutes.

• 25:24Chris Ryan?

  I can't believe there's like a sequence of a sci-fi movie that lasts 20 minutes and still like 40 years later, I'm like, yep. And then Porkins comes in and then this happens and then the tie fighters get behind them, but then the one tie fighter spins out and like I, I feel like it's like the, one of the most amazing air, air sequences, outer space sequences ever committed to film.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  It's, okay, so between the two scenes.

• 25:46Chris Ryan?

  And it's also basically the plot of Top Gun Maverick.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  It's between the two scenes, it's. Including them getting off the plane. It's the end of Top Gun. This, it's between these two scenes to me, I could make maybe, maybe an argument for the entire sequence where they're actually dressed like stormtroopers and they are rescuing, rescuing Princess Leia. However. The Chewbacca part was a little dicey. If we're, if we're. It's a prisoner. We're transferring him. If we're, if we're talking about. Again. Rewatchable scenes. The scene that has been the most recreated, my blood's burning, is to me the trench run. It was to me, the, the most signature scene from Star Wars. So that's your most rewatchable? That's my most rewatchable, for sure. Trench run. All right. Two for two.

• 26:31Sean Fennessey?

  I'm actually, I'm actually, I'm actually with them.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Guy who watches movies twice.

• 26:34Sean Fennessey?

  I was just making a case for the sake of the pot.

• 26:36Chris Ryan?

  Cantina, or to be honest, I kinda love when they're just like running around the Death Star. Trying to escape, stuff like that.

• 26:43Sean Fennessey?

  It is fun. That part is fun, too.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  You know what else is fun about that?

• 26:45Chris Ryan?

  I like being in the Death Star.

• 26:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 04

  There's been so many movies since, and so many of them have cribbed from them being trapped. And like, I, I watched this and I kept thinking of all the Austin Powers movies, how many things they've ripped off from Star Wars, like the big conference room and all that stuff.

• 26:59Chris Ryan?

  It's also, there's so many things across, obviously, the entire trilogies of films and shows, but with even within the film, where you're watching something, you're like, oh, wow, that kinda getting away with this. And then it turns out like Vader talks target into letting them go so that they can track them back to the rebel base. It's like everything has a different layer.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  He was on one in this movie.

• 27:21Sean Fennessey?

  Mastermind.

• 27:22Speaker 04

  Really, uh, really using the Force in the wrong ways.

• 27:26Chris Ryan?

  In a dark way, almost, yeah.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  What's the most 1977 thing about this movie, CR?

• 27:31Chris Ryan?

  Um, Nixon being in it? No, I, I, I guess some of this, like the laser beam special effects, some of the explosions where it just looks like a sparkler going off. I mean, like, they did incredible stuff, but there are certain things that they just couldn't catch up with yet.

• 27:47Sean Fennessey?

  I see, I wrote that down, but as a positive, just that the overwhelming amount of practical effects, the hand drawn imagery, like the matte paintings as backgrounds, the models, the optical effects, like all stuff that you just don't see nearly as much in movies, which I like. Also, a lot of white people in this movie.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, I can't wait to talk about that. I have a whole section. Do you? Yeah. What do you have for most 1977? Um, the creatures. The fact that the creatures are not CGI, they're real, they're, you know, it's guys in suits, it's, you know, all of that stuff. I had, uh, Mark Hamill's Cassidy boys.

• 28:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  Andy Gibb haircut kind of vibe.

• 28:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  Very 1977. You could, you could have been on 20 TV shows.

• 28:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Ironically, he was on Eight is Enough in the pilot. He played the old, the son. Uh, a show where Dick Van Patten had eight kids and then got out of the show so he could be in Star Wars. He's like, can you please let me out of the contract?

• 28:43Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Chance to be in Star Wars. But that haircut was just there for two years.

• 28:47Sean Fennessey?

  You know who's remaking Eight and is, and is Eight is Enough is Robert Sala. Um, they're actually remaking that on Disney Plus. Yeah. So good luck to him.

• 28:57Sean Fennessey?

  He has like eight kids, yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  He just had another kid. Stranger Things just had another one.

• 29:01Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, he and Philip Rivers are in a, a, a Obi-Wan Darth-esque duel to have more children.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  What's age the best? What do you got?

• 29:09Sean Fennessey?

  Um, so many things. Intercolac- interconnected galactic universes. I mean, this is contemporary storytelling in Hollywood right now. Um, ILM, the creation of the first studio that is focused entirely on effects. Princess Leia as a fearless hero, not just the damsel in distress. I feel like it's huge. I'm very excited to show this movie to my daughter because I know she will be magnetized to Leia and be all about her.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  What if your daughter's like, damn Greedo?

• 29:37Sean Fennessey?

  Could be, knowing some of her interests.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't get too excited about showing any movie to your kids because they can always just watch 10 minutes ago. Dad, this sucks.

• 29:45Sean Fennessey?

  That's in play, but there's a 0% chance she's not interested in Leia.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:50Sean Fennessey?

  Sword fighting? Sword fighting is never not cool. This is a great choice in this movie to find a hyper-technical, sword-thinking way to do sword fighting. Whether it's King Arthur or Robin Hood or the Three Musketeers or the way that it just like run, you know, all the Samurai movies, it just runs through movie history. And he finds another cool way to do sword fighting. Um, you mentioned Harrison Ford a bunch of times. I mentioned the fast spaceships thing. That's like, that had never really been done before in a movie. Where it was like, these spaceships are going fast because he was, he had just made American Graffiti. He loves cars. And he was like, I see the Rebel Alliance as like hot rods. And I see the Empire as like cars off the line made by the major car makers.

• 30:34Sean Fennessey?

  And so I want the movie to feel like hot rod culture. It's kind of like the Fast and the Furious in a lot of ways. That's like a really smart choice that aged really well because now every space movie you see, it's fast cars.

• 30:44Speaker 04

  What do you have, Sierra?

• 30:45Chris Ryan?

  Uh, the Force being a kind of forgotten religion or spiritual discipline that only like three zealots still practice. Like for all the other Star Wars that we have, it's like the central preoccupation of the story. And we as viewers are supposed to understand mitochondrians and how that works. And this, it's like, now these three weirdos still talk about it, but for the most part, it's kind of been phased out. And it's all about industrial

• 31:11Speaker 04

  It's like the long two.

• 31:12Chris Ryan?

  Strength.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  There's still some guys out there.

• 31:19Sean Fennessey?

  Obi-Wan is the DeMar DeRozan.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna say DeMar, yeah.

• 31:22Chris Ryan?

  Then there's just all the stuff that when you're watching and you've come across it, you're like, ah, I've actually had this in the, this has been taking up brain space for 40 years, like the two stormtroopers who are getting distracted being like, you see the uh, new BT 16? And I'm just like, how did they just like throw that line in there of these two guys bullshitting with each other? Or the way that every squadron checks in, like Red Five standing by, like, I wanna text you on Thursday night and be like, Red Five standing by before triple header starts.

• 31:53Sean Fennessey?

  Gold Leader, this is Red Five.

• 31:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I am watching New York Detroit.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Well, for, same for What Saves the Best, the guy hitting his head.

• 32:01Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  Which became lore and then the stormtrooper coming in and he hits his head and it became a thing and instead of editing out, Lucas added a sound effect to it and it became a whole.

• 32:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:12Speaker 04

  It's on YouTube.

• 32:12Chris Ryan?

  I think I alluded to this, but just the literal beats of the trench run, which I think has elements of like movies like The Dam Busters and other films that Lucas was influenced by, but like, that clearly is like, that's the best we can do with a aerial attack idea, so we're just gonna put that in Top Gun, we're gonna put that.

• 32:32Speaker 04

  I was shocked how many movies ripped off even that, like, I think it's the ending of four different Fast and Furious movies.

• 32:37Chris Ryan?

  Even the hero pilot being like, I've lost my confidence, but now I've gotten it back.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah.

• 32:42Chris Ryan?

  Is, is such a recurring motif, so.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Ben, what do you got? So, uh, the, the number one thing that's A's the best to me in the entire movie is Darth fucking Vader. Like Darth Vader goes from being a cool mysterious villain to a cultural icon that really now the entire franchise is oriented around. So more than anything, I got ILM on here, Death Star's period, they put a Death Star in something every two years. The lightsaber has become a, an iconic toy that.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  Everyone fucking has, it was, it revolutionized the sword. It was like a new sword, a new take on it. Um, but Darth Vader to me has become so important, not just as a villain, but as a flawed hero. Because we get so much more of his story after this, that really, as much as this is about Luke, it becomes about him too. And now that might be the most recognizable Star Wars thing that exists. Even the voice of James Earl Jones, completely recognizable. Does it create the prestige TV late nineties anti-hero craze?

• 33:55Sean Fennessey?

  Darth Vader is John Draper.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  More the Darth Vader meat bone? Well, you know, what I will say it does though, is it, to me, it does have a big hand, or plays a big part, should I say, in investigating the motivations of our villains. Because it midway through the next movie, or not midway through the next movie, at some point in Jedi, Luke is going to start thinking, not that I have to defeat this guy, but that I have to save him. And that kind of changes the trajectory of the entire, uh, three film trilogy.

• 34:28Chris Ryan?

  How do you guys feel about introducing the villain immediately in the movie? It's like they use Darth Vader so much. It's like the opposite of the shark in Jaws. I mean, the music is there, where every time you hear it, oh, it's Vader time. But he's, he's immediately, usually it's like you take a while, right, before the villain is introduced.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  Well.

• 34:43Chris Ryan?

  It's like the first scene of the film is Darth Vader.

• 34:44Sean Fennessey?

  He's not the villain of the movie though. The Emperor is the villain of the movie. But he is in the first movie. Mentioned. It seems like he is. And we come to find out, and that's part of the Lucas genius is that he, he, he hasn't mapped out. Like he knows where he wants to go and he, he's gonna show us the Emperor soon, if he gets to make another movie, and that he is this true force of evil. And then when you see the prequels, you're like, he actually is the true force of evil. He is the, the engineer of this whole revival of the Sith mythology.

• 35:12Speaker 04

  Greatest villain in film history to me.

• 35:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but Darth, Darth is more just like, he's just a tragic Shakespearean guy who's lost his way.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  And you, once again, you see him first because.

• 35:21Sean Fennessey?

  You're kind of in his story. You know what I mean?

• 35:24Speaker 04

  I mean, let's be honest. Vader not like an awesome hang.

• 35:28Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 35:29Sean Fennessey?

  All that breathing.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, choke somebody out during a conference.

• 35:33Sean Fennessey?

  Very angry.

• 35:34Chris Ryan?

  You can't smoke darts around him. He'd be the worst podcaster ever. We're tough postpaid order.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  Darts, we're ordering Zanku chicken, what do you want?

• 35:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't like garlic.

• 35:47Chris Ryan?

  How does he eat? Does he have to eat alone? Cause he's got to take off the mask.

• 35:50Sean Fennessey?

  He's got feeding tubes.

• 35:51Chris Ryan?

  He's got to eat alone.

• 35:52Sean Fennessey?

  All, bro.

• 35:53Chris Ryan?

  You gotta be alone?

• 35:54Sean Fennessey?

  He's really fucked up. All his shit is fucked up. His eyes are burned to a crisp. His ears, his eardrums are burned to a crisp. He's got no arms. He's got one leg. Nothing's inside it, just like the husk of something.

• 36:08Speaker 04

  You think he got down every once in a while or no?

• 36:12Sean Fennessey?

  We don't know what happened to his manhood. We, oh no, it burned off. Did it burn off?

• 36:15Chris Ryan?

  Did they actually explicitly say that?

• 36:17Sean Fennessey?

  I, I, I, I'm thinking, I think I'm pretty sure that most of his opinions is burned off.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  Did they? Oh, man.

• 36:23Sean Fennessey?

  I'm assuming, I'm gonna tell you what though. Is this like an Axel Braun kind of knowledge? Axel Braun did Star Wars XXS, a four carry, and in that one, Vader's working just fine.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  I have some what's aged the best, including mentioning sort of the greatest secret probably ever kept in a movie, if you knew, which I assume Lucas knew, all the beats for the first three movies.

• 36:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  And he doesn't tip it off at all, but then when you watch it again, he's tipping it off in a couple of spots where you're like, oh, I know, I know what you're trying to do there.

• 36:54Sean Fennessey?

  I saw this, so when you first see them, when you first see the movie, I, I, I hadn't seen it before, when you first watch the movie, you go, well, he's treating Leia like shit, right? Every, you know, but like Leia has a termination order on it, and there's a way to watch the movie to where Darth Vader keeps stalling.

• 37:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he, he, he, you could say that, definitely. That's what I was talking about when Tarkin shows the planet getting blown up. And even though he pulls her away from stop, like jumping on Tarkin or whatever, it is fatherly, like it is, there are these moments where it's like something is telling him that. Although I guess he doesn't know Leia's his daughter until later, right?

• 37:34Speaker 04

  Well, we know it's not getting horny because he's got that many manhood.

• 37:36Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  These, like, that's, he's fucking, he's dead from the legs down.

• 37:43Sean Fennessey?

  They should do the alternate cut where Darth fucks Leia. That would be really exciting.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Oh, Jesus.

• 37:47Sean Fennessey?

  That's where the Game of Thrones.

• 37:49Chris Ryan?

  That's for someone to watch every pod.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  Couple more would say it's the best. Obi-Wan is the ultimate mentor. I just like mentor movies. Always fun. Every Darth Vader entrance we mentioned. Lightsabers. I had the wrestler Vader. Great gimmick.

• 38:04Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Big Van Vader.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  Big Van Vader.

• 38:06Sean Fennessey?

  Phenomenal. One of the greatest athletes of all time.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  Unbelievable fat guy athlete. Who are your best fat guy athletes? Oh, like ever? Yeah, like Vader's gotta be up there. So Reggie White is up there. Yeah. Reggie White. I would say Kevin Owens has to be up there too.

• 38:20Sean Fennessey?

  He's Vader 2.0.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:22Chris Ryan?

  I was gonna say like Refrigerator Perry kinda like is.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a good one. Those guys are out there, but I would, I would say.

• 38:28Sean Fennessey?

  Movan.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  Movan.

• 38:29Chris Ryan?

  Oh, great one.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Is, is, is way up there, but like as, as wrestlers go, like Andre the Giant can move around. I don't know. I'm talking like. Kinda stubbier fat guys who actually have some. Earthquake, tugboat, those guys.

• 38:41Sean Fennessey?

  Braun Strowman.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  Jokes about the Star Wars bar we mentioned.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  How about the foreshadowing of the aunt and uncle? Luke's just not a farmer. He has too much of his father in him. The guy goes, that's what I'm afraid of. He knows.

• 38:57Sean Fennessey?

  He knows.

• 38:59Speaker 04

  Uh, creating a distinct world of weird aliens, creatures and villains is age the best. A lot of people have tried. Opening credits scroll. Co-written by Brian De Palma?

• 39:10Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 39:11Speaker 04

  Surprised he didn't try to work in some voyeurism.

• 39:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's, he could have also written the scroll for the porn parody, you know?

• 39:18Chris Ryan?

  I mean, he basically made it less nerdy, right? He goes, you gotta shorten this a little bit.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, he, he thought it was.

• 39:24Sean Fennessey?

  Edited it to four sentences. Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  Uh, the Carrie Fisher Harrison Ford affair during the movie?

• 39:30Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  What's age the best for Star Wars lore? Nobody knew until 2016. Age the best? Well, it was just an amazing, everyone thought they knew everything about this movie. Thirty-nine years after the movie. He was thirty-three, she was. Was nineteen. He was married. You think that aged the best? Here's what aged the best. Give it. All right. We're all on the same team here. I'm with it. Here's what aged the best. This, they kept this hidden for four decades. Nobody knew. And then she wrote this book and she's like, yeah, I had an affair with Harrison Ford the whole time. And it makes so much sense.

• 39:58Chris Ryan?

  Well, you, what?

• 39:59Sean Fennessey?

  But when you watch the movie, I mean, their energy is so palpable.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  It makes so much sense. Yeah, I mean, he's, she's looking at Luke, she's looking at, yeah, you know, you can see the, see the fire. Their chemistry is undeniable. Yeah. Uh, all the Star Wars parodies all over the place and everything, it's still going.

• 40:14Chris Ryan?

  Star Wars.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 04

  The Bill Murray on SNL, Spaceballs. And then, um, I really liked this quote from Mark Hamill, cause he said how he was struggling, how, uh, audiences associated with Luke, you have that, I'm only defined by this part and this is just who I am the rest of my life thing. And he's told Carrie Fisher about it and she said, look, I am Princess Leia. Princess Leia, you are Luke. Get over it. And then he said she was able to cut to the quick and see the positives. I learned so much about her. But that's a good attitude to have. Like, hey, this is the fucking lot we were given.

• 40:53Chris Ryan?

  He could be like, fucking Harrison Ford is also Indiana Jones.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 40:57Chris Ryan?

  And this is witness.

• 40:58Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Let's, uh, we'll take a break, come back with more categories.

• 41:03Speaker 03

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• 42:23Chris Ryan?

  Uh, great shot Gil, Gilbert Taylor. Luke staring at the two stuns on Tatooine.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  The binary sunset.

• 42:32Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 42:33Speaker 04

  On the Blu-ray, they have each scene titled and that was, I just happened to pause it during that scene and that was what the chapter was called. The binary sunset.

• 42:41Chris Ryan?

  Everything that I was talking about before where like this movie allows you to fill it in, fill in the blanks. Instead of him saying like anything, instead of there being like too many characters talking at him. It's just like, this is a kid, he's looking for a purpose. He knows there's something bigger out there, this greater world. And he's just like looking off into the sunset, imagining himself getting off the planet that's the farthest from the center of the universe.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  It's like Shaun in the early 2000s after another Jets loss, just staring out in the Long Island Sound after the Bud Bowl. Wondering if anything good would ever happen with the Jets.

• 43:15Sean Fennessey?

  We were doing fine in the early 2000s. We had Chad Pennington.

• 43:17Speaker 04

  That's true, you were doing all right.

• 43:19Chris Ryan?

  You was an alternate great shot?

• 43:20Sean Fennessey?

  I have a few.

• 43:23Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, there's one where uh, Obi-Wan is on the control panel inside the Death Star. And he's like flipping levers so that they can attack it and create weakness. And it seems like the, that sort of corridor is like bottomless. And it's just a painting that this guy Harrison Ellen Shaw drew. He painted this background, so it looks like you're in this, you know, vast, bottomless construction. And I saw like a behind the scenes image of what it looked like when they shot it versus what the final image is. And it's like astonishing. Like I just, but they didn't do it in a way that was like modern technology. It's the same technology they use in like Mary Poppins. That is just amazing to look at, but there's like a million versions of stuff like that.

• 44:07Sean Fennessey?

  Like the first digital effect that they ever created for the movie was um, when R2 and 3PO leave on the escape pod. And you see the escape pod shoot. Out and you see like the sprinkle of stardust basically out of that and they, you know, like that's just a beautiful unforgettable image that looks almost like it's documentary or something, but it's in a science fiction movie. So there's like a bunch of them throughout the movie.

• 44:27Chris Ryan?

  I also really love the shot of after Obi-Wan gets cut down. It's like the wide shot of Luke standing there in disbelief, even though there's already a laser battle, like a blaster battle going on.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:39Chris Ryan?

  And then he finally like puts his blaster up and starts shooting.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  He was staring at disbelief because Obi-Wan choked. You had one chance.

• 44:47Chris Ryan?

  Obi-Wan leaves the weak side unguarded. Bang!

• 44:57Speaker 07

  Luke looking up at the the two moons is, I mean.

• 45:01Chris Ryan?

  Is it two moons or two suns?

• 45:02Speaker 07

  It's two moons, two suns. I think it's two suns.

• 45:04Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 45:04Speaker 07

  It's two suns. Uh, the the two suns.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  It's a cool shot.

• 45:07Speaker 07

  That's it's a great shot. And also you're reminded that you're somewhere else. You're somewhere otherworldly.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  It's important to.

• 45:14Speaker 07

  Um, but then I like, I've always been partial to the destruction of Alderaan. Just the first time we see the Death Star in action, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, boom, and then watching a planet be destroyed.

• 45:26Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good one.

• 45:27Speaker 07

  Like so high stakes.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 07

  Really rendered well.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happyness award for best needle drop. Does, I mean, Star Wars bar music?

• 45:35Chris Ryan?

  I have.

• 45:37Chris Ryan?

  Main title or return home, which is basically like the.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  Main title's good.

• 45:41Chris Ryan?

  Main titles.

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Uh, the Sean fantasy award for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. Did you have one?

• 45:50Sean Fennessey?

  There are a lot. I'll stick to one.

• 45:53Sean Fennessey?

  There's a Kurosawa movie called The Hidden Fortress.

• 45:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, that seemed like it borrowed a lot from that movie, which I've never seen, by the way.

• 45:59Sean Fennessey?

  Um, it's worth checking out. I shared with Jack Sanders a side by side of several images that are lifted directly from The Hidden Fortress.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  You're like Jack's Obi-Wan. It's really like.

• 46:09Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, well, Jack is doing a great job.

• 46:11Speaker 04

  You should wear a brown hood.

• 46:14Sean Fennessey?

  He's the force.

• 46:15Speaker 04

  Jack should cut you down with a light gun.

• 46:17Sean Fennessey?

  Um, but like literally, I mean, I can show you these pictures on the laptop. Like this is, these are moments from The Hidden Fortress.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 46:25Sean Fennessey?

  Characters are perfect matches, you know, Princess Yuki and Princess Leia and the droids and the two tag along characters in the movie. Like, he is, it is a very overt lifting homage to this Kurosawa movie. And Spielberg and Lucas were obsessed with Kurosawa and he's a huge fascination for them. So without Hidden Fortress, this movie doesn't exist.

• 46:49Chris Ryan?

  That's a great criteria orgasm.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was.

• 46:53Sean Fennessey?

  Hidden Fortress is available from the Criterion Collection.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Uh, the Chris Ryan Award, would this movie be better if a main character smoked? You didn't know I was giving this one, but.

• 47:02Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I, I think Han.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Could he had a couple more reds here?

• 47:05Chris Ryan?

  Can you imagine Han with a fucking Camel Light behind his ear?

• 47:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, just like behind his ear, maybe he never smoked it. What would the cigarettes have been called in the, uh, in the future?

• 47:13Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's a great one. That's a good one. Uh, like, what's a, what's like a, like? Banta? Banta lights? Banta lights?

• 47:22Speaker 04

  Greedo lights?

• 47:23Chris Ryan?

  Greedo lights? Yeah.

• 47:25Speaker 04

  The Chess Rockwell and Brock Lander's Award for Best Character Name. There's a lot of options here, but man, Darth Vader is a really good name.

• 47:32Chris Ryan?

  Darth Vader, Han Solo, Luke Skywalker.

• 47:35Speaker 04

  Luke Skywalker is like trying like a whiff too hard. What was he called before that?

• 47:39Sean Fennessey?

  Luke Starkiller.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. He's trying a little too.

• 47:42Chris Ryan?

  You think that's trying too hard, but Darth Vader is?

• 47:45Speaker 04

  Darth Vader is just like.

• 47:46Chris Ryan?

  Let's go, I, I think it's Darth.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  It's like, you guys wanna come out tonight? I'm going out with Darth Vader. Like, who? What? Guy's name is Darth?

• 47:54Sean Fennessey?

  You know, there's somebody on Earth right now who's a real name is Darth Vader. Like, there's gotta be some parents who name their kids Darth Vader.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  Darth is like just a do not name list?

• 48:02Chris Ryan?

  Darth is not his name.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know, but I'm saying, do you think anyone's actually named?

• 48:06Chris Ryan?

  If you named your kid Darth Vader, hit us up at the rewatchables inbox.

• 48:09Speaker 04

  CR, you have a flex, you have a flex category choice.

• 48:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, uh, it's a book about metals award for best quote. Uh, kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. That was my yearbook quote.

• 48:30Speaker 04

  Really?

• 48:31Chris Ryan?

  Wow! Yeah. Look at that. Yeah.

• 48:35Sean Fennessey?

  A rejection of God.

• 48:37Chris Ryan?

  No, I was just like.

• 48:38Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 48:39Chris Ryan?

  I got it all under control. Well, I went to a Quaker school, so we were. Oh, you were. In their faces. No, I mean, like, there is that of God in all of us. That's the Quaker belief, you know? But I always loved that Hauntzer one.

• 48:49Speaker 04

  I thought yours would be twenty five years from now, do not ask me about Joelle and Bill.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  That'd been amazing.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  The Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film. What do you got, Van?

• 49:03Chris Ryan?

  I couldn't think of one.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 49:05Chris Ryan?

  I legitimately tried to think of one. I got one.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  I definitely have one.

• 49:09Sean Fennessey?

  I know, I know you want to have the Mark Hamill conversation, right?

• 49:11Speaker 04

  Let's do it right now.

• 49:12Sean Fennessey?

  So let's have it.

• 49:13Chris Ryan?

  Did you know he wanted to have it?

• 49:14Sean Fennessey?

  I, I've known Bill for thirteen years. I know how he feels about Mark Hamill.

• 49:19Chris Ryan?

  I, I couldn't disagree more, but I'm interested to hear the takes. Not that good of an actor.

• 49:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it's, I'm not sure if ironic is the right word. He has become a beloved actor at this stage of his career for a certain kind of fan. Because he is like a famous voice actor now and he plays like a lot of villains and he's in a lot of Mike Flanagan movies and things like that. Like he, he has taken on this weird, late-career, character actor Hall of Fame quality that is in direct contrast.

• 49:51Chris Ryan?

  To what he was being set up for.

• 49:52Sean Fennessey?

  To Luke, yeah. Um, in this movie, I think you can make the case that he's not great to be around because of what Chris said at the top of the conversation in part one, which is that like, he's an annoying teenager.

• 50:06Chris Ryan?

  But he has to, I think I have so much respect for starting him at that point. And, you know, there's a lot of dialogue right now about like The Last of Us and the main character in The Last of Us, whether she's annoying, you know, and like how like, but you have to start at one place and get to another, you know? And I think we're very impatient. We want everybody to be prepackaged as like very cool. That being said, there are other people that were looked at for this role that I think it would have been maybe cooler.

• 50:32Speaker 04

  I'm excited to talk about it on Casting What Is.

• 50:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  I do think, when you think about how good Carrie Fisher is and how good Harrison Ford is, and you would never leave this movie going, you know, it was fucking awesome in Star Wars was Mark Hamill.

• 50:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:44Speaker 04

  He's, I think Lucas probably saw him as the system quarterback. Who's just like, I don't need a lot from, I have so much other stuff going on. I don't really need to shoot the moon with this character. And maybe that's, I just wanted to be young and a little annoying and a little whiny and then he can grow over the course of the movie, but I just, the fact that, uh, this was the peak of his acting career, I don't think is an accident. Well, I mean. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Star Wars universe. No, it's it's gravy because I mean, by the time Jedi comes around, he has got a full grasp on Luke. And once again, Flawless Three movie arc. All I'd say is, if you look at where the characters are, you have two characters in Leia and Solo that are incredibly sure of themselves.

• 51:29Speaker 04

  Solo is the most sure of himself character maybe in movie history. And Leia is saddled with all this responsibility. She's a princess. She's a double agent for the Resistance. She knows what she's doing. Luke's performance is off kilter because he never really feels like he is where he wants to be. And so there's a, there's a tension in the back and forth that kind of kids go through. He is young. She's his, the same age as twin sister, but experience has aged her up a lot. Yeah. So he's annoying because he always has questions, because he's not confident, because he's sometimes too earnest. I think in that, that Hamill plays it pretty well.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  So you'd think, I'll step on one casting with F, like Kurt Russell tested for this role. Is that too much testosterone for the role?

• 52:19Sean Fennessey?

  I think he's a little too cool.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  He's too cool. He's too cool. Is it like a Matthew Broderick in War Games kind of, is that what Lucas wanted from this?

• 52:27Chris Ryan?

  The hard part about this, and the reason why I think Hamill's redeemed over the course of the first three films that they make is that he becomes a pretty scarred, grizzled person, both because of what happens to him off screen, but also like the character himself is so much different when he returns to Tatooine in Jedi than he is when he leaves. It's, it's a really cool arc. You just have to be there, you have to really ride along with it. If you're only watching A New Hope, you're like, okay. Like, that was my least favorite of the main three guys.

• 52:57Speaker 04

  He, he, for sure. He enters Jedi like Vader, talking about how powerful he is and choking.

• 53:04Chris Ryan?

  People out. But he's, he's, he's gotta get there. He goes through so much that hardens him to life.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Did you have a hottest take or no? You did it?

• 53:12Chris Ryan?

  A hottest take?

• 53:14Speaker 04

  I'm not, I mean a weak link.

• 53:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, there's that guy Porkins, who's one of the pilots, who has a really tough name and gets nude fucking instantly. And I was just like, there has to be a little bit of like, competition for places there. They're really counting on Luke. Really hard in that train run.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  What's age the worst?

• 53:36Speaker 04

  Look, I, I'll just start us off with this. I hate this whole Star Wars four. New Hope, uh, like, this was Star Wars was like Jaws, Rocky, Godfather, like, and then we somehow decided we had to change the name. I've never really understood it. I get it. But I think it's annoying. I think it's annoying. We're like doing Star Wars. Which one? New Hope? It's like, doing fucking Star Wars. The first one. Uh, it just bugs me. Anyway, what do you got for what's age the worst?

• 54:02Chris Ryan?

  Uh, there's like only two women in this movie. It's a big sausage party out in that galaxy, right?

• 54:07Speaker 04

  I had some notes on the, uh, on the cantina. Thought they could have snuck in a couple ladies.

• 54:13Sean Fennessey?

  Barely messing with an environment.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  Couple lady aliens, baby.

• 54:16Chris Ryan?

  We don't know what kind of cantina they're in. Yeah. Like cruising?

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 54:21Chris Ryan?

  You guys are assuming.

• 54:25Chris Ryan?

  With your hetero normative brain. Greedo is greasing it up. Yeah, we don't know. We don't know what kind of cantina they're in.

• 54:31Sean Fennessey?

  What color bandana was in the back pocket?

• 54:33Chris Ryan?

  Exactly. They're playing the cute little music, you know, we don't know what's going on. Before Greedo watched the comics. Yes.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  Wow. The cantina.

• 54:47Chris Ryan?

  Cantina, we don't know.

• 54:48Sean Fennessey?

  That right there is why we're on video.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  That's a good one. What's your best one?

• 54:54Sean Fennessey?

  Um. You know, I think the movie thinks that it's clear that fascism is bad, and I'm not sure that that's aged well.

• 55:03Sean Fennessey?

  I think the movie is weirdly, uh, you could be read a different way in 2025.

• 55:09Speaker 04

  I have a every moment when it's just R2-D2 and C-3PO is like watching Jalen Green try to run the rocket offense.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  Just post up Shingun. Can Shingun just come in here?

• 55:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  Get a jump up from him.

• 55:25Sean Fennessey?

  How different do you think the rewatchables is when the NBA playoffs run? Like, is it?

• 55:28Chris Ryan?

  Oh, it's, yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like, I'm sorry.

• 55:31Chris Ryan?

  Mostly teams that get eliminated by the time the pod publishes.

• 55:36Chris Ryan?

  I'm surprised we haven't had a John Halliburton reference yet.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  Aunt, Aunt, it's coming.

• 55:44Speaker 04

  Aunt Peru?

• 55:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:45Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Might, might have been a chance, maybe, to put in, like, Aunt Margaret or Natalie Wood.

• 55:50Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's put, like, so, like, a little sexier Aunt Peru.

• 55:54Sean Fennessey?

  I see, okay.

• 55:55Speaker 04

  Wait, to have a little, some sort of attachment?

• 55:57Sean Fennessey?

  What?

• 55:57Speaker 04

  Little Milfie?

• 55:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  You trying to fuck Aunt Peru? No, I just wanted a little, a little more sexy. We have two women in the whole movie. We have Aunt Peru and we have nineteen-year-old Princess Leia. And by the way, one of them is giving you as much sex appeal as possible. Yeah, I'm just saying. Lay as your whole daughter. Come on, Milfie. Yeah. The laser bullets.

• 56:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  What, what, so what do they do when they hit you?

• 56:21Sean Fennessey?

  I assume burn.

• 56:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, burn through you.

• 56:23Sean Fennessey?

  I actually had, in What's Aged the Best, blasters instead of bullets as aging well. Because it's like, you can show this to really young kids.

• 56:30Chris Ryan?

  You could also just be like, you don't have to be like, how many bullets does he have? It's just like, you get eternal.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  So the guys get hit and they just go right down, but there's no wound or anything.

• 56:38Chris Ryan?

  Well, the only blood you see in this movie is the arm chopped off, right?

• 56:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, it depends, right? The stormtroopers are supposed to have some sort of armor.

• 56:48Chris Ryan?

  But that doesn't seem to work.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  Not really.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  What's Aged the Worst, this is just for Sean. Twentieth Century Fox released twenty movies a year, and this movie became so successful that they only released seven in nineteen seventy-eight. Just lost out on some great movies, starting a good movie.

• 57:04Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't know that.

• 57:04Chris Ryan?

  Did they just hold the other ones, or they just?

• 57:06Speaker 04

  They were just like, let's fucking ride Star Wars. Tell that director to fuck off.

• 57:09Chris Ryan?

  Do you guys have in What's Aged the Worst?

• 57:11Speaker 04

  We're not making Penitentiary Three.

• 57:14Chris Ryan?

  What's Aged the Worst, the amount of times in this movie where you're like, so that's how they do things in that family between Luke and Leia?

• 57:22Speaker 04

  Incest. By the way, which I'm-

• 57:24Sean Fennessey?

  Coming back to him, I had to take, but the incest is the stuff that that. It never really gets over the line though.

• 57:29Chris Ryan?

  On the cheek.

• 57:30Sean Fennessey?

  Like it's not, it's ultimately so innocent. Wants to fuck her. But that he just doesn't know. Right. Like, could happen to anybody. Yeah. What do you, we're gonna hold it against the guy? Yeah. Although he was not able to tap into the force in that particular respect.

• 57:45Speaker 04

  The force was telling him not to tap his sister.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  It's like Luke, no, don't do this.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  What's aged the worst? So Marvel Comics published a Star Wars comic book series, which ran for a hundred and seven issues from nineteen seventy seven and nineteen eighty six.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Why did they stop?

• 58:08Sean Fennessey?

  There's a lot of comics out there.

• 58:10Speaker 04

  I wonder what made them just, I feel like by the mid eighties, maybe Star Wars were starting to die down a little bit. I feel like that comic book thing could have just kept going.

• 58:18Sean Fennessey?

  But they, they have like a lot of. There's no shortage of Star Wars material.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  I have one more big what's aged the worst, but what, do you guys have anything else?

• 58:26Chris Ryan?

  Uh, just, I, I don't know if this ages them the worst, but it aged the funniest. Disney rejecting the screenplay and then buying Lucasfilm for four billion dollars.

• 58:33Sean Fennessey?

  Amazing. Yes, nuts.

• 58:36Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of like taking two QBs.

• 58:37Sean Fennessey?

  Agar's like, I wasn't there, didn't have it yet. Kind of a shidur situation.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  Who takes the worst before we go?

• 58:42Sean Fennessey?

  Um, there's not that much Vader in the film. I could have used.

• 58:47Speaker 04

  Twelve minutes.

• 58:48Sean Fennessey?

  Some more Vader.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Lecter, sixteen minutes.

• 58:50Sean Fennessey?

  Vader, twelve.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. Probably two of the best villains of the last fifty years.

• 58:53Chris Ryan?

  I think if he's on screen for much longer, you start asking if he has a penis, you know?

• 58:56Sean Fennessey?

  Probably so.

• 58:59Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe. Now we have to wait till this moment.

• 59:02Speaker 04

  What's aged the worst? A nineteen seventy eight Johnny Carson episode, scientist Carl Sagan.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  Went on a heater. Talked about the overwhelming whiteness of the film. And then, uh, another writer named Walter Brimond, writing for the African American newspaper, New Journal and Guide. Said that, uh, Darth Vader reinforces a stereotype that black is evil. This is a very white movie. I don't know if you want to do your, did this movie need more black people category here?

• 59:35Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna disappoint a lot of people, probably.

• 59:36Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 59:37Sean Fennessey?

  It for, it, there's two things that can be true at the same time. One is that I understand.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  Um, first of all, they answered the question of the film kind of sort of with Lando Carizian coming in in the next movie, but. Do you think that was a response to the Carl Sagan? Perhaps, perhaps. Yeah. Um, I understand that, uh,

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  particularly in fantasy properties, seeing black characters is reassuring in a couple of different ways. One, it's reassuring because you don't want to think that you're living in a world where, when the white people fantasize that there are no black people. Like, that in and of itself is, like, odd, right? At the same time,

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  I don't think I'm, I don't think that I'm in a huge minority when I say, sometimes I don't want to think about it. And when I'm watching Star Wars, particularly, what I want to do is think about a world where all of the handcuffs and the societal barriers that exist. All the baggage. That I don't have to consider it. Okay. I understand why we have to consider it, but when I'm watching the movie, I'm really not thinking about that because I'm in another galaxy, in another world, and I'm having a good time being there.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Good answer.

• 1:00:59Sean Fennessey?

  It is addressed very amusingly in the movie Chasing Amy by the black comic book character who gives a speech at a Comic Con about the inherent racism of Star Wars: A New Hope, which is a very, very, very funny sequence. Maybe one of the funniest things Kevin Smith's ever written.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  Chasing Amy on the rewatchables list. Couple more small ones. We talked about the 20th anniversary when they digitally remaster everything and changed some, altered some stuff and how upset the, everybody got. And then there was a Star Wars Holiday Special on November 17th, 1978, that Lucas kind of agreed to because he wanted to keep, you know, there was really no cable rewatchable system back then, and he kind of wanted to keep the movie relevant. And, uh, it's a famous abomination. Like, there's been oral histories about, have you watched it? I have seen it. Um, it's been taken off YouTube, then people put it back up. It's one of those. I think Lucas spends half his time probably just getting copies taken off. Get that thing off.

• 1:01:59Sean Fennessey?

  It has become kind of a kitsch classic in some ways now.

• 1:02:02Chris Ryan?

  Loved in a way.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  And then, uh, the last one, I talked about those early bird certificate boxes, which were empty boxes that promised the receiver they would get the figures once they'd actually been made. They sold for, uh, sixteen dollars at the time and the actual figures arrived two months later. IOUs for Christmas because they didn't have the toys ready.

• 1:02:21Chris Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  What a fucking debacle. Like honestly, like how much money did they lose just on nineteen seventy eight Christmas?

• 1:02:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  Van, you're up. Flex category.

• 1:02:32Chris Ryan?

  Um, well, I actually want to use my flex category time for my hottest take, actually.

• 1:02:40Chris Ryan?

  Point of order.

• 1:02:43Chris Ryan?

  This movie is a lot. That's fine.

• 1:02:48Chris Ryan?

  Okay. So this is the deal. This movie is, the trilogy, not the movie, but the trilogy is a lot better if Luke and Leia mistakenly fuck in this movie.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:03:05Chris Ryan?

  The Van Lathan did this movie be more incest killer? If Luke and Leia mistakenly fuck in this movie. Uh huh. Not mistakenly because they didn't want to. And that's why he goes to Dagobah? And he is actual, he actually banishes himself. He feels it like, and then think about Luke and Leia are fucking and Obi-Wan is in the back. No, Luke.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  Like slow motion?

• 1:03:26Chris Ryan?

  Like Obi-Wan knows, he's trying to tell Luke not to do it, but the dick is just too strong. The dumb side of the dick.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Chris Ryan?

  And Lu- and Skywalker just wants it. He's gotta have it. Leia's into it. There's a connection. They don't know what the connection is. Yeah. The connection is actually. The connection is she's the only woman in the galaxy. You've never seen a woman other than his aunt. Right. Uh, Peru or her? Luke is obviously a virgin. He's, he's asking for permission to go to Tashi Station for power converters. Like, you're seventeen, just fucking go. Like, you know what I'm saying? So if they fuck and then they have to deal with that guilt, Luke is.

• 1:04:03Speaker 04

  Maybe more apt to the dark side, the whole, the whole trilogy is better, a little darker. If they mistakenly fuck in The Millennium Falcon.

• 1:04:11Sean Fennessey?

  Quick cutaway to Darth Vader mid coitus. There's a disturbance in the force.

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  Wow, you really went for it there. Yeah.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  I wonder if that inspired Game of Thrones in any way.

• 1:04:26Chris Ryan?

  Uh, well, I'm sure that Star Wars inspired Game of Thrones, but do you think George R. Martin was like, I want to do Star Wars, but what if the brother is just a fuck.

• 1:04:36Chris Ryan?

  And have a demon child that ruins the realm?

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. Maybe, can't be counted out. Ruffalo Hannah Rubenek Partridge over acting award.

• 1:04:45Chris Ryan?

  I got Chewbacca.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  He's catching so many strings on his bar.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  How about Mark Hamill getting whiny loud unhappy a couple of times?

• 1:04:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:58Speaker 04

  There's a couple of scenes where Alec Guinness is like, god damn it, why did I take this movie? I'm fucking trading lines with Mark Hamill.

• 1:05:06Speaker 04

  I won an Oscar. I'm not such a bad pilot myself. That, that's one that stands out. When he's mad at Han, and I was like, I'm not such a bad pilot myself. Shut the fuck up, kid. Sean, do you have a CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award?

• 1:05:19Sean Fennessey?

  I already shared one about the absolute desolation of organized religion in this country due to the film Star Wars. I don't know if I can do any better than that. I, you know, and also I think that, like, this is the, one of the best movies ever and one of the worst things that ever happened to Hollywood. Thing is kind of true. Not to side too hard with the butthurt.

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  Could Luke Wilson have been Han Solo?

• 1:05:38Chris Ryan?

  I mean, we could end the category there. This would be the, the singularity of if I go back and be like, this movie would have been better with Luke.

• 1:05:47Speaker 04

  As a hottest take.

• 1:05:48Sean Fennessey?

  That would have been good.

• 1:05:49Speaker 04

  Uh, this is fun. Casting what ifs?

• 1:05:51Chris Ryan?

  I do have a hottest take though about Harrison Ford.

• 1:05:53Speaker 04

  What's it?

• 1:05:55Chris Ryan?

  This is probably the coolest character in movie history, but he is a real cock blocking dickhead in this movie and he basically like as soon as Luke gets kind of interested Leia, he's like, no, no, I'm interested in Leia. Luke's lost his surrogate father. Gets one tie fighter, gets a little excited and Han's like, don't get cocky.

• 1:06:16Chris Ryan?

  Let him just fucking pop his fucking collar a little bit, pump his chest, talk his shit. No, you gotta be like, no, it's Millennium Falcon. It's my, I'm the only one that's out to have fun.

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  Cast in one of's. De Palma was casting Carrie at the exact same time. And him and Lucas teamed up and they did all their casting together and looked at all the same actors thirty forty a day. And a bunch of the actors that they looked at for Star Wars ended up in Carrie. William Cat, Amy Irving, Travolta.

• 1:06:51Chris Ryan?

  Do you think those guys are like G-thinks? A lot could be in Carrie.

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  Travolta is Luke Skywalker who was not audition for that would have been interesting.

• 1:06:59Chris Ryan?

  Whoa. Wouldn't he be Han?

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  He's pretty young.

• 1:07:03Chris Ryan?

  Pretty young.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  I think he would have been Luke.

• 1:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  He could have been an interesting Luke.

• 1:07:07Speaker 04

  Interesting Luke. Cat would have been an interesting Luke.

• 1:07:09Sean Fennessey?

  He would have, yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 04

  Yeah. I still, I still have some Cat stock from the late seventies. Which is something like the early years.

• 1:07:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it might hit. Keep holding. Hold.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  So Hamo is cast over, I mean, literally all the names from this era were mentioned, but these ones seem real. Robbie Benson, William Cat, Kurt Russell, and Charles Martin Smith. Who the fuck is that? He was the guy.

• 1:07:29Chris Ryan?

  He was in American Beauty, right?

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  Starman.

• 1:07:31Chris Ryan?

  And he's in Untouchables as the accountant.

• 1:07:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's the geeky guy in American Beauty.

• 1:07:34Chris Ryan?

  But the guy in Untouchables gets cut out.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  Oh, the guy with the glasses. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a ton of shit. He's in, the experts.

• 1:07:42Sean Fennessey?

  Him looking at him gives you a little bit of insight into how Lucas sees Luke, though. But he's not the coolest kid in town.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Not twerp, but you know. Andrew Stevens, the actor Andrew Stevens, who ended up in a lot of erotic thrillers, said he and Mark Hamill were both up for an ill-fated TV series called The Oregon Trail, as well as a film called Star Wars. I got the Oregon Trail. Then twenty years later, it's with Shannon Tweed and some Skinamax movie. Oh, Shannon Tweed.

• 1:08:13Sean Fennessey?

  They're worse fates.

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  Wow. Carrie Fisher, cast over Karen Allen.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  Filed that one away for Raiders. Amy Irving, who ends up in Carrie and ends up having a affair with Steven Spielberg. Cindy Williams from Laverne and Shirley. Who was in American Graffiti two. And then Linda Pearl, who was bouncing around and never really found the right thing. But then, who knows if Jodie Foster, how real this was, but she was offered the role and couldn't do it because she had movies. But she definitely was.

• 1:08:45Sean Fennessey?

  She's pretty young.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  Very young. Yeah, I almost didn't believe that one. Russell auditioned for Luke and Han Solo.

• 1:08:53Sean Fennessey?

  He was like stuck age wise between the two of them.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was like three years earlier.

• 1:08:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  Perfect.

• 1:08:59Chris Ryan?

  The casting what ifs for Han's is Han is tough because you're like, this is every actor, but also I can't stop thinking about Jack Nicholson as Han Solo if they actually looked at him.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Well, there's two where the actors claim that they turned it down, which I think like if we were actors, I would just start doing this when I hit my mid 50s. Be like, yeah, I turned down Hannibal Lecter. They came, Demi came to me, I just didn't want to do it. But James Caan claimed he turned it down and Pacino claimed that he turned it down. Pacino as Han Solo, it just, that movie sucks. It's just that it's just bad casting.

• 1:09:33Sean Fennessey?

  Who is it?

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  James Caan, maybe.

• 1:09:34Sean Fennessey?

  There's a incredible hater wig Sudeikis era SNL. Saturday Night Live sketch. Oh, yeah, yeah. Of Star Wars auditions. Pacino is one of them, Kevin Spacey is one of them. Who else is in that? It was, uh, Richard Dreyfuss. Richard. Oh, yeah. Richard Dreyfuss is hysterical. Yeah, all of those are great. That's a great sketch.

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  Dreyfuss, they almost used his voice for, I think, C three PO or one of those.

• 1:09:56Sean Fennessey?

  He was in that orbit of guys. Yeah, he was in American Graffiti.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  And then, uh, before Al Guinness was cast. The, uh, the guy who starred in all the Karasawa movies. Was, was asked to be Obi-Wan. And he said, no, thank you.

• 1:10:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he thought it would sully the legacy of Samurai films that he made, which was not, not actually true.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  They thought about Orson Welles for Darth's voice, decided his voice was too known because he was in a lot of commercials.

• 1:10:28Sean Fennessey?

  Hilarious because everybody immediately knew it was James Roljans, even though he was uncredited on the movie.

• 1:10:33Speaker 04

  And then Peter Mayhew and David Prowse.

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  Were both tall and asked which one they wanted Chewbacca or Darth Vader. And Mayhew wanted to play a good guy, Prowse wanted to be a bad guy. They ended up doing that. Interesting choice.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  Best that guy award. This movie is 50 years old.

• 1:10:54Chris Ryan?

  I got Peter Cushing.

• 1:10:55Speaker 04

  I had him as well. Green Moff Tarkin.

• 1:10:58Chris Ryan?

  You're gonna be like, it's not a that guy, he's in all the Hammer movies.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  I mean, Peter Cushing is famous. I know, I'm just saying 50 years later. Who else? He's like in every. But you could do 30, you could do The Uncle and Aunt.

• 1:11:10Sean Fennessey?

  I think the movie is fascinating because in the top six parts, you have extremely well, people who are either well-known or about to be really well-known. And then all of the supporting players are just like British guys who are nearby who they cast. And they all had careers and they went on.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  That's what Andor is doing.

• 1:11:26Sean Fennessey?

  But none of them have that like, oh yeah, it's that guy from that thing. Like you can't even think of their second best role. Like Peter Cushing was like the lead in 15 consecutive Hammer horror movies. So that's kind of a hard one. I don't know. I know that sometimes we can be like, this guy is actually really famous, but he was legitimately famous in England.

• 1:11:42Speaker 04

  Right. All right, well, maybe the movie's too old to even know who the that guy was.

• 1:11:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:11:47Speaker 04

  There's probably a bunch of that guys on the Enterprise.

• 1:11:50Chris Ryan?

  The guy gets choked out by Vader, might have been in like a Starscream Hutch episode. We didn't see.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Would have been like, yeah, that's David Morse. Dion Waiters award. Vader's in the movie for 12 minutes and has to win.

• 1:12:01Chris Ryan?

  I have a Dion Waiters award for the collective of people in the bar.

• 1:12:05Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:12:05Chris Ryan?

  All you guys.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Group Dion.

• 1:12:06Chris Ryan?

  Racist bartender, butt face, all those guys, like together. You know, it's funny. If you, if you want to give it to Vader, Vader's presence is so big in the movie, I didn't even consider Vader, that's actually probably it. But.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  I thought Greedo would be my alternate.

• 1:12:22Sean Fennessey?

  I have him on my list.

• 1:12:23Chris Ryan?

  I have CGI Jabba that they stuck into the movie.

• 1:12:27Sean Fennessey?

  Hate it.

• 1:12:27Chris Ryan?

  What, I hate it.

• 1:12:28Sean Fennessey?

  Hate it.

• 1:12:29Chris Ryan?

  Hate it.

• 1:12:30Sean Fennessey?

  Han Mabuki.

• 1:12:32Chris Ryan?

  I, I hate it. You're really doing some great linguistics in this spot.

• 1:12:35Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you, thank you. I've watched this movie so many times.

• 1:12:37Chris Ryan?

  I hate that they do it, but it's such a big deal to have that character in the movie for one scene. Then I went with CGI Jabba, but if Vader is eligible, it's gotta be Vader, right?

• 1:12:48Sean Fennessey?

  I think there's a, there is a case for the guy who plays Admiral Modi. The guy who gets choked when he's like, this station is now the ultimate power in the universe. Like he is really trying to cook in front of Vader.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  That's like Palink after the Luger train.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  Recast the couch director, city.

• 1:13:07Chris Ryan?

  Boston.

• 1:13:09Speaker 04

  Style.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  I have a Luke Skywalker suggestion. How about Mark Harmon? Oh.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  Coming off playing at UCLA.

• 1:13:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:20Speaker 04

  Mid twenties, athletic.

• 1:13:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:22Speaker 04

  Handsome.

• 1:13:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  I would buy him.

• 1:13:24Chris Ryan?

  But not Charles Martin Smith, you know what I mean? So like in the conception of the character or.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Are you talking about, no, you're talking about for Luke? For Luke. I like Mark, but think about it like that's a. I'm saying a less, less nerdy, more handsome and athletic. But then. Kind of on Solo's corner a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. Um. Kurt Russell was like seventy-four Kurt Russell, I think is the answer. Do you have a recasting couch?

• 1:13:48Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:13:48Speaker 04

  Okay. We're losing Sean, he's getting tired.

• 1:13:51Sean Fennessey?

  No, I'm not, I'm here.

• 1:13:53Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:13:53Sean Fennessey?

  I'm ready to rock.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  Research.

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  Han Solo in the originals, uh, versions of the script was a large green skin monster with gills.

• 1:14:02Chris Ryan?

  He's almost more like Greedo.

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  I don't really understand what happened there. We did all the I O M stuff, um. Lucas, lot of, uh, I wouldn't say a lot of great feedback on him as a director.

• 1:14:12Sean Fennessey?

  No. Not very good with actors.

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  Official said, uh, gave very little direction and just would say like faster or more intense.

• 1:14:20Chris Ryan?

  My favorite anecdote from the set of this movie is like in England, if you were in the middle of a shot at the end of the day, you were given, generally given the grace to like finish your shot setup that you had, but the crew didn't like dislike Lucas so much that they were always like, no, we're out. It's quitting time.

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  What was the movie we did where they? Oh, Spielberg and Jaws, when he decided not to go on the last day because he was so afraid they were gonna do something terrible to him.

• 1:14:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they were throwing him in the water, right? Or something like that.

• 1:14:53Speaker 04

  Um, there's some nerdy movie stuff from this, like when Luke says, I can't see a thing in this helmet or whatever. He actually couldn't and they just kind of kept it in. The Chewbacca suit, for some reason, the trash compactor scene, they're in the water too long and it just started to stink and it stunk for the rest of the movie.

• 1:15:11Chris Ryan?

  One of the coolest things to read about is the, the, the original rough cut of this movie, the lost cut, which is the editor was basically assembling something for Lucas to look at. And it winds up being very long. It's like, I don't know how, how like three hours or whatever. And apparently is a lot more, uh, Luke on Tatooine with like wedge hanging out.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:15:33Chris Ryan?

  You know, like American graffiti in space, but then Paul Hirsch and other people come in and, and cut it way down.

• 1:15:40Speaker 04

  Mark Hamill said studio executives were unhappy that Chewbacca had no clothes and kept wanting, kept saying that he should be wearing shorts. That would have been terrible. Right.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Just like, what a horrible idea.

• 1:15:56Sean Fennessey?

  But he was already-

• 1:15:57Speaker 04

  Can you imagine getting that nose?

• 1:15:58Chris Ryan?

  Wait, would you want him-

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  Like khaki shorts or dark shorts?

• 1:16:01Chris Ryan?

  Would you want him in pre Fontaine short shorts? Or Jalen Weber Fab Five?

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, Fab Five shorts.

• 1:16:08Sean Fennessey?

  But by going commando, he's ready to jump into the Luke and Leia sex scene pretty quickly.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Sean Fennessey?

  That's where he would have shined. Then you would have really been swayed by Chewbacca.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  That's all I have for half assed and researched in case you guys have anything. Cause the next category is blind call for Basilo.

• 1:16:28Chris Ryan?

  Oh shit.

• 1:16:29Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 1:16:30Chris Ryan?

  You know he's crushing tape right now?

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  I think this will go right to voicemail, but we're about to find out.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  Telephone number- Damn it.

• 1:16:41Chris Ryan?

  Do it again.

• 1:16:42Speaker 04

  Do it again, yeah.

• 1:16:43Chris Ryan?

  Hold it to the mic also.

• 1:16:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  C R is the most excited for this of any gimmick we've ever done on a podcast. He might be going to the Laker game. He is definitely going for sure. Yeah. He probably went early to go talk to an assistant coach.

• 1:17:03Chris Ryan?

  He's like looking at his phone right now, thinking about it. Should I?

• 1:17:07Speaker 04

  Telephone number- No.

• 1:17:08Chris Ryan?

  Thanks.

• 1:17:08Speaker 04

  Jesus, oh, tough. Mid lift, tough one. Billy needed his takes.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  Apex Mountain, George Lucas?

• 1:17:18Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:17:21Speaker 04

  Probably after Empire and Raiders. No, we're talking everything. I would say it's after Empire and Raiders, like 1981 range.

• 1:17:30Sean Fennessey?

  Has anyone ever like gotten to the, to Apex Mountain and then just sat there forever?

• 1:17:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Sean Fennessey?

  You know, he never, there was never a time when people were like, no, I don't think so, George. We're not gonna do that for you. Like he could do whatever he wanted after this movie.

• 1:17:42Chris Ryan?

  I mean, but wasn't, wasn't there, there were projects that he was trying to get off the ground that he couldn't, right?

• 1:17:48Sean Fennessey?

  Like what?

• 1:17:49Chris Ryan?

  Like wasn't that World War II pilots movie? One that he wanted to do a long time?

• 1:17:53Sean Fennessey?

  He made it, right? Wasn't that Red Tails?

• 1:17:54Speaker 04

  Red Tails, yeah.

• 1:17:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but like it took like 20 years to get it made, right?

• 1:17:57Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:18:00Chris Ryan?

  He makes one movie and then he vanishes for a long time in terms of being behind the camera. If, if, as a director, it certainly is because the next three movies to the point of people, to the issue of that people had with his directing style, the next three movies, the performances are wooden. They're not very well directed. It's just a fact, but. You mean the prequels? The prequels, the next three. But Empire and Jedi. Right. Is like real people. Like not him and then.

• 1:18:24Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say eighty one range.

• 1:18:27Speaker 04

  The third one's coming. Everyone's pumped about it. Raiders comes out, it's a fucking massive hit and him and Spielberg have vanquished.

• 1:18:34Chris Ryan?

  And he's the biggest guy in it, yeah.

• 1:18:36Sean Fennessey?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  I think it's right around that.

• 1:18:37Sean Fennessey?

  Created and owns I L M Skywalker Ranch's opening. He's doing Skywalker sound like he's kind of like building his own.

• 1:18:46Speaker 04

  He still has a decent beard. Hasn't like fucked his beard situation up yet.

• 1:18:50Chris Ryan?

  But you can almost, you can almost, I mean, like wine, he just gets more powerful and relevant as the, the deal as Star Wars kind of.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  You could say it's selling to Disney for four billion dollars.

• 1:19:01Chris Ryan?

  I was about to say you could say that.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  That's up there.

• 1:19:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  Uh, the galaxy apex mountain?

• 1:19:05Chris Ryan?

  I was gonna say there's some way to conceive of like the outer space sagas, like, you know, I wouldn't say science fiction necessarily, but like.

• 1:19:15Speaker 04

  So sci fi movies.

• 1:19:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:17Speaker 04

  It's apex mountain.

• 1:19:18Chris Ryan?

  I have sci fi movies.

• 1:19:18Speaker 04

  Galaxy movies apex mountain.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:19:22Chris Ryan?

  Lore starters. This starts. Fictional mythologies. Fictional mythologies. I mean, I'm not talking about like books, obviously, you know, but as far as movies that start incredible lore, you have the Terminator, you have the Matrix has some great lore, but this has spawned a world that's like way bigger than anything.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  Mark Hamill, definitely. Mark Hamill, definitely.

• 1:19:43Chris Ryan?

  Certainly.

• 1:19:43Speaker 04

  Carrie Fisher?

• 1:19:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:45Speaker 04

  One, two or three for her. Like her Blues Brothers next year. And then Empire in eighty.

• 1:19:52Sean Fennessey?

  What she chooses to do with it afterwards is so strange, though. Every non Blues Brothers Star Wars movie she makes in the next eight years is like such a flop.

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, but, yeah, again.

• 1:20:02Sean Fennessey?

  I know she's on a lot of cocaine.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  I think cocaine was just running rampant.

• 1:20:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  I'm sure there was some, uh, some choices that she might've gotten talked into at about three thirty in the morning.

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  I liked her Loverboy. Remember that one?

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  Oh, Patrick Dempsey?

• 1:20:16Chris Ryan?

  Extra anchovies.

• 1:20:18Speaker 04

  John Williams? Uh, it's almost impossible to say.

• 1:20:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Sean Fennessey?

  He just shatters it every time. It's like Superman's three years later.

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  They call John Williams apex mountain.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  It's just his face. Uh, dropping the from your title, is it the Star Wars or the Facebook?

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  Wow, I think it's Star Wars. It's probably Star Wars, but it's a good question though. I think it's Star Wars. Yeah. I prefer Star Wars to Facebook, generally. James Earl Jones?

• 1:20:53Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say Field of Dreams.

• 1:20:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think you can't.

• 1:20:55Speaker 04

  That's when he became a beloved American treasure once and for all. Field of Dreams coming to America.

• 1:21:00Sean Fennessey?

  Mufasa.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  Mufasa. It's somewhere early 90s, late 80s, early 90s. He just became like the fucking coolest older actor. He's, he's, it seems like he's too important for a voice to be his apex mountain. Moonlight Grand.

• 1:21:17Chris Ryan?

  They'll come, Ray.

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  Baseball is a part of us, Ray. People will come. They won't even know. They'll give you five dollars.

• 1:21:26Speaker 04

  Harrison Ford?

• 1:21:28Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:21:28Speaker 04

  We just said no. 20th Century Fox. Yes. Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  They, their profits went from 39 million to 77 million in one year. Nerds.

• 1:21:42Speaker 04

  Apex Mountain for nerds.

• 1:21:44Sean Fennessey?

  I wouldn't say that in 1977 nerds had the most power they would ever have. I would say the nerds that got obsessed with this movie went on to take over. So.

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. You also said the nerd sketch on SNL. Nerds are just rounding in a shape, finding out they had other people. Revenge of the Nerds, a nerds centric movie comes out. Starting a nerd-a-sance. Any other apex mountain?

• 1:22:07Sean Fennessey?

  What about movie sound effects? The Academy Awards creates a special award this year for Ben Burt, who does all the droid sounds. You've got Darth Vader's breathing. You've got, my favorite sound in the movie is the sound of the TIE fighters flying, which is like just terrifying every time you hear that like screeching whisper sound. It's pretty memorable.

• 1:22:27Speaker 04

  This movie sounds awesome, even now.

• 1:22:29Chris Ryan?

  It does. The lightsaber sound?

• 1:22:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, of course, lightsabers.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  Really, really good. It's, I think, we always say this with certain movies, but like the, uh, the widescreen TV, better soundbar, that whole era has just blown this movie out. Absentee Fathers?

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  This is he got game, you know?

• 1:22:49Chris Ryan?

  He got game is up there, but absentee fathers, you don't know what your son is doing. He comes around, he's trying to fuck over you now, you don't even know. Absentee dads.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  As a movie premise?

• 1:22:59Chris Ryan?

  Well, it's not a movie premise, but when you look at it now.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Same for.

• 1:23:03Chris Ryan?

  It's probably Empire then.

• 1:23:05Sean Fennessey?

  Shaquille O'Neal's biological didn't bother?

• 1:23:07Chris Ryan?

  That's a good one, too. Absentee dads, this is the greatest absentee dad story ever. Cause by the time Vader comes back to Luke, Luke is now a first round draft pick. And he wasn't before, when he was just a little dude on Tatooine, you didn't give a fuck about me.

• 1:23:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:21Chris Ryan?

  Now I got the force, now I got another dad in my life, who cares, right? Obi-Wan is come on, you know? I got friends, I got all of this, now you want me? Nah, that's not how it works.

• 1:23:35Speaker 04

  Cruise or Hanks?

• 1:23:38Speaker 04

  I have Cruise, but I think Hanks could have been a good Han. Cruise for which part and what year of Cruise? Cruise for Luke around, uh, Taps. I was gonna say nineteen eighty-two Cruise, that's my answer.

• 1:23:50Chris Ryan?

  My god.

• 1:23:51Speaker 04

  Outsiders Cruise.

• 1:23:52Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. Like Cruise is still have the baby.

• 1:23:54Speaker 04

  Baby, yeah.

• 1:23:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  He's filming losing it with Shelley Long and making Star Wars. What do you have?

• 1:23:59Sean Fennessey?

  You know who I have? It's Cruise.

• 1:24:02Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:24:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's gotta be Cruise, but Hanks, Hanks now as Obi-Wan would be interesting.

• 1:24:05Chris Ryan?

  I think Hanks, there is like a, like when Hanks is like in the volunteers, I could see him being Han Solo.

• 1:24:11Sean Fennessey?

  Disagree, but okay.

• 1:24:12Chris Ryan?

  Hanks too tall, Cruise.

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Scorsese or Spielberg? Spielberg, yeah.

• 1:24:16Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed.

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? I have any situation where he could say, Luke, how's the peeping?

• 1:24:27Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe after that sexy.

• 1:24:28Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:29Speaker 04

  I had him as Vader's lead counsel.

• 1:24:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:32Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  He just would have dialed it up, go, go Little Hunger Games. Uh, Craig, you have a flex category, what is it?

• 1:24:39Chris Ryan?

  Can I quickly go back to Apex Mountain and ask, is this the Apex Mountain of Apex Mountains for a movie? Are there the most Apex Mountains in any movie ever for Star Wars?

• 1:24:53Chris Ryan?

  Go through it. You have like him, half the actors. Yes, it's probably George Lucas holistically.

• 1:24:57Speaker 04

  I think it's Titanic.

• 1:24:58Chris Ryan?

  Villains, music, the best weapon in movie history, secret hidden movie nuggets, sound effects, blockbuster franchises.

• 1:25:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. Craig is cooking.

• 1:25:08Chris Ryan?

  Is it the most apex mountain?

• 1:25:10Speaker 04

  It's the apex mountain of apex mountains.

• 1:25:11Chris Ryan?

  Apex mountain.

• 1:25:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, Craig is cooking right now. I'm surprised you didn't think of that. The apex mountain?

• 1:25:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:18Speaker 04

  I'm Craig's OB one. Sean has Jack Sanders. Craig is actually, Craig is actually a perfect Luke. Craig, you got a lot of Luke to you, brother.

• 1:25:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm bad at acting.

• 1:25:27Sean Fennessey?

  You're a twerp.

• 1:25:28Speaker 04

  I hope you're not related to this.

• 1:25:37Sean Fennessey?

  No, we just work together.

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• 1:26:34Speaker 04

  All right, picking nits, it's time.

• 1:26:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  I think I'm gonna have the most fun with this because I don't really know what happens.

• 1:26:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, because we're just gonna sit here and be like, actually, Bill, in Ahsoka, that was explained.

• 1:26:43Speaker 04

  I'm gonna try. All right. I've already done too much. R2-D2 and C3PO just randomly eject from their little pod thing that gets out. Uh oh. Oh shit.

• 1:26:53Chris Ryan?

  Yes!

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  Hey, we're doing rewatchables. Okay. With CR and Sean and Van and Craig. Uh. What's up, Craig?

• 1:27:09Sean Fennessey?

  What's up?

• 1:27:10Speaker 04

  What's up, Ryan?

• 1:27:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, what's up, man?

• 1:27:13Speaker 04

  We're doing Star Wars. I've seen it. Uh, any, any off the cuff takes?

• 1:27:23Speaker 04

  Luke was a dork.

• 1:27:27Speaker 04

  All right, make the case.

• 1:27:30Speaker 04

  No friends. I don't think, I think that whole thing about picking up the power converters, no chance.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  You know, it looked like is, you know, like he immediately is annoying to Obi-Wan and it's like, dude, this might be your only friend. Like there's no other houses around. He's invited you in and he gives you a fucking lightsaber, which I imagine those are pretty cool, even on Tantouine. And you're just like, you know, why is he such a brat about everything? And then obviously like watching the Princess Leia video would be the, like a guy seeing porn for the first time.

• 1:28:11Speaker 04

  And he's like replay, replay the entire mess, you know, like, so I don't know. I, I just think there's a lot of dorky stuff with him. That was just, you know, granted, I worshipped him when I had the figures when I was in single digits, but as I got older, I started realizing that Han was, was the cool one. Yeah, yeah. That's a great take.

• 1:28:30Sean Fennessey?

  Elite take.

• 1:28:32Speaker 04

  Great take. Thanks for, thanks for chiming in. I'll see you at the Laker game tonight. Yeah, I'll be sitting next to A-Rod.

• 1:28:44Speaker 04

  Wow. I don't know if we'll ever have a blind call that we're better than.

• 1:28:48Sean Fennessey?

  That was amazing.

• 1:28:51Chris Ryan?

  Okay, R2 and C3PO, what were you saying about them picking nits?

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  I'll just start over picking nits. Uh, R2-D2 and C3PO just randomly ejecting and landing on Luke's planet right near his house?

• 1:29:05Sean Fennessey?

  There's a related one too, which is-

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Is that the force just drove them to Luke's house?

• 1:29:09Sean Fennessey?

  Even before that, the Empire identifies that an escape pod has been hacked. But because there's no life force on it, they're like, I just let it go. Fucking blow that thing up.

• 1:29:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:18Chris Ryan?

  This goes towards the theory that Darth is always kind of like holding the Empire back a little bit.

• 1:29:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:23Chris Ryan?

  Cause like there's, there was one time where he, they only sent like four tie fighters at the Millennium Falcon. It's like, you guys probably could have taken the Falcon out. We could have ended this whole thing.

• 1:29:31Speaker 04

  Or another theory that R2- D two is force sensitive.

• 1:29:38Chris Ryan?

  Hmm, what does that mean?

• 1:29:40Speaker 04

  That art.

• 1:29:40Chris Ryan?

  Are there any droids? Force sensitive?

• 1:29:42Speaker 04

  That in some way, there's a theory, there's a fan theory.

• 1:29:46Chris Ryan?

  Force curious, perhaps?

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  That in some way, R two D two is force sensitive, because there's a lot of stuff that happens around R two D two that we kind of don't explain why it works out the way, the form, the way that it does, that the force loves him, or there's some kind of connection. You know what he couldn't do? Get a drink at the cantina.

• 1:30:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 1:30:04Speaker 04

  Get out of here, motherfucker. We don't say we can't get here.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  How'd they get in the Death Star, or not the Death Star, whatever the big planet is?

• 1:30:13Chris Ryan?

  Which one?

• 1:30:14Speaker 04

  When they get, when they're, when they come back in, and the thing pulls them in. Oh, no, the Death Star.

• 1:30:20Sean Fennessey?

  The Death Star, yeah. Tractor beam, yeah.

• 1:30:22Speaker 04

  And then they just kind of let them in, and they're like, there's nobody here, hmm.

• 1:30:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they hide, they hide under the panels.

• 1:30:28Speaker 04

  But that's how bad the stormtroopers were, they're like, I don't see him. They're legendarily incompetent. Like, how fucking terrible you're, they're just like, I don't see him. The whole thing doesn't work if the stormtroopers are better at their job.

• 1:30:40Chris Ryan?

  If they can aim.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're legendarily incompetent. Well, the aiming, I think, is the nitpick. There's a lot of, I, only Rambo First Blood Part Two has more straight, five feet away shots that just miss. Right. Luke, hundred thirty people miss him from right here.

• 1:30:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, when they're on the bridge that they're trying to, they're about to swing across, and the stormtroopers are just looking right at him. And Luke isn't even trying to hide against the side of the wall, he's just standing there, he's just like, what's up?

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  How do you give away locations to secret rebel bases when you're in outer space?

• 1:31:18Chris Ryan?

  What do you mean? Like with the homing beacon thing?

• 1:31:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's not like they had Google Earth back then.

• 1:31:23Chris Ryan?

  No, but they put like little trackers on stuff. They had the computers.

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  How do they know where everything is in the galaxy?

• 1:31:30Chris Ryan?

  Who?

• 1:31:30Speaker 04

  Just everybody.

• 1:31:31Chris Ryan?

  Like maps?

• 1:31:32Speaker 04

  If we're gonna go here, go there. They've mapped the galaxy. The computers. How do you map the big galaxy when it's infinite space?

• 1:31:38Sean Fennessey?

  Don't really think we're the right people to answer that question.

• 1:31:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:40Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think.

• 1:31:41Speaker 04

  Isn't outer space just infinite? But we're in one galaxy though. So there's a Star Wars galaxy that outside.

• 1:31:47Chris Ryan?

  So is there an end of the galaxy?

• 1:31:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, of this galaxy.

• 1:31:51Chris Ryan?

  Are you, you're a flat Star Warser?

• 1:31:53Speaker 04

  I'm just saying, where's the, where's the end of it? It's like a force field at the end. So there's the galaxy, then there's the outer rim of the galaxy. And then there's stuff outside of there that people don't really travel to. So how big is the galaxy? Pretty big.

• 1:32:04Chris Ryan?

  They have hyperspace, so they can, they can jump around.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  Back and forth. They can travel at light speed. I was, didn't really know the answers to any of those questions. There you go.

• 1:32:13Speaker 04

  Uh, the princess's outfit.

• 1:32:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:16Speaker 04

  I just think it's way dirtier by the time we get to like the last half hour. They're in a fucking garbage dump thing.

• 1:32:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:22Speaker 04

  She's getting battered around, like everybody else is, she's just like perfectly white. Not where I thought you were gonna go with that.

• 1:32:29Sean Fennessey?

  Vision of purity. What did you think he was gonna say?

• 1:32:32Speaker 04

  I thought we were gonna talk about something different about the outfit.

• 1:32:36Speaker 04

  That wasn't.

• 1:32:36Chris Ryan?

  It's draping?

• 1:32:40Speaker 04

  That outfit was great. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I just think by the time we get to the hour thirty mark, probably dirt all over the place for her. What do you have for nitpicks?

• 1:32:50Sean Fennessey?

  I have a few. Obi-Wan's memory relative to R2 or Luke Skywalker's a little dodgy there in the beginning.

• 1:32:58Speaker 04

  He's like, I've never had any droids.

• 1:32:59Sean Fennessey?

  It is like, I don't know, except when you cut off all of Anakin's limbs and left him to die in episode three. And that was the last time you saw R2. So it's been a while, but you know, you, you knew those droids. Um, the biggest nitpick for me in the whole movie is.

• 1:33:13Speaker 04

  But it, well, hold on though, is that a nitpick if that movie doesn't exist yet?

• 1:33:17Sean Fennessey?

  But we, we know, we give Lucas credit for envisioning all this other stuff. Like we give him credit for knowing that Darth is Luke's father.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  But for our job as the rewatchables is to treat this movie as its own movie that came out in nineteen seventy seven.

• 1:33:29Chris Ryan?

  So you're allowed to be like Leia's outfit would be dirtier, but he can't be like, there's like a little.

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm asking.

• 1:33:35Sean Fennessey?

  But they're your rules, so if you wanna put, you know.

• 1:33:38Speaker 04

  The answer, because I do think it's like, if we did forty eight hours, and now we know Kio's the Iceman in front of another forty eight hours, which is, uh.

• 1:33:47Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I see what you're saying.

• 1:33:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. So now when I watch forty eight hours, it's, do I have to assume Kio is the Iceman when I watch forty eight hours?

• 1:33:55Sean Fennessey?

  In most circumstances, you're right, but because the actual world building mythology is such a credit to the movie itself, that the whole idea of the movie is it is this larger than one movie, all encompassing mythology.

• 1:34:08Speaker 04

  I take though, maybe Lucas is full of shit and he just made this movie and then afterwards he's like, by the way.

• 1:34:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's in play.

• 1:34:14Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, I had the whole thing sketched out. Bobby, he just made the one movie.

• 1:34:18Chris Ryan?

  When they gave the sides to Harrison Ford and to them and the reveal was in there that Vader is Luke's dad, Harrison Ford said back to George Lucas, did you just make that up on the plane? Like, did you just make that up? Cause they were trying to keep it a secret. When they gave them the thing that that was happening. There are people who think that the fact that he had all of this stuff sketched out is actually not true. It doesn't make a difference now, but there are people who think that that's not the case.

• 1:34:52Speaker 04

  Well, there's, it's interesting. After Lost ended and he, he wrote a long letter to Lynda Loff and Carton Cuse, being like, as somebody who wants to know where my story is going, I really respect that blah, blah, blah. And it's like, huh, maybe he's trying to tell us something.

• 1:35:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's possible he doesn't. There's also actual nitpicks in the story. Chris has cited a couple of them already, but throughout this movie, characters are experiencing the most traumatic thing that will ever happen to them. And then one scene later bouncing back and being like, let's do this thing or like partying, you know, like Leia watches her whole planet get destroyed. Uh, Luke, see his aunt and uncle who raised him or charred remains outside of their home. And then he's going to the cantina and hanging out. Over and over again, you know, Obi-Wan is murdered by Darth Vader and Luke gets on the Millennium Falcon and is shooting down tie fighters like, not a lot of emotional depth to the character development in this movie. I think he kind of fixes it in the next two movies. It's like they're much more complicated and stormy. Yeah.

• 1:35:51Speaker 04

  They're like, we have to have a beat here where they're like sad about this happening.

• 1:35:53Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly, exactly. But it's like, it's kind of weird.

• 1:35:55Speaker 04

  Murdered or suicide mission?

• 1:35:58Chris Ryan?

  He kills himself to be one with the.

• 1:35:59Speaker 04

  He sacrificed himself.

• 1:36:00Sean Fennessey?

  Sacrifice himself.

• 1:36:03Speaker 04

  Or maybe he just didn't want to fight Vader. Felt like he didn't want to take the L.

• 1:36:06Chris Ryan?

  Shrinking from the competition. He's already two and, he's two and O against him.

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  Well, it finishes two and one.

• 1:36:12Chris Ryan?

  It finishes two and one.

• 1:36:13Speaker 04

  With a loud one.

• 1:36:14Chris Ryan?

  I am still, after all of these years of being a Star Wars fan, un- Clear as to why Kenobi did it. Still unclear.

• 1:36:24Speaker 04

  Because he has to do it for Luke to fulfill his destiny?

• 1:36:26Sean Fennessey?

  I think so that he can escape is the practical reason, reason and the philosophical reason is so that Luke can go on and be the the torch bearer of the Jedi way.

• 1:36:34Chris Ryan?

  The savior. I guess my thing is they would have escaped anyway because all of the

• 1:36:38Speaker 04

  Cause they were letting them go.

• 1:36:40Chris Ryan?

  Actually, the fact that he gets cut down is what makes the stormtroopers turn around because Luke then freaks out and they go, oh my God, they're getting away. So I I've never, I've had this conversation so many times. He didn't have to die. Like actually, he didn't have to die.

• 1:36:54Speaker 04

  Case for it is he wants to pass the torch à la LeBron and Luca. And be like, this is your team now, Luca. I'm gonna have Anthony Edwards kill me with a lightsaber right now. So I can give you the Lakers.

• 1:37:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:09Speaker 04

  But it still doesn't make sense because the best option is just fucking kill Darth Vader. He's right there.

• 1:37:13Chris Ryan?

  He probably, he probably couldn't have killed.

• 1:37:15Speaker 04

  I think he powered it out.

• 1:37:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think.

• 1:37:17Sean Fennessey?

  Both physically and maybe emotionally.

• 1:37:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think he knew like I'm too old.

• 1:37:20Chris Ryan?

  Well, he hasn't been able to do it two times before then. He had two chances. He didn't do it.

• 1:37:23Speaker 04

  It's a good career move by Obi-Wan because it's like I could either lose this fight and look like a fucking loser or I sacrifice myself.

• 1:37:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so in the same vein, this was gonna be my flex category, but I'm I'm just gonna do this because it's part of a picking nit. It's it's two different categories crushed together.

• 1:37:40Speaker 04

  Did I skip your flex category?

• 1:37:42Sean Fennessey?

  The George Ellerby two weeks with pay award for the character who definitely should have been fired goes to Grand Moff Tarkin. Grand Moff Tarkin is informed that there's a flaw in the largest Department of Defense governmental investment in the history of the empire. The enemy knows how to attack it. He insists on continuing on with making the Death Star fully operational and exposing the destruction of his beloved battle station. He loses. This is the twenty eight to three at halftime in the history of movies. This is a nightmare scenario. He should have been fired. And then follow up to that. Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character is good at their job? Are we sure the Death Star is good? Is the Death Star actually an effective way to run the empire?

• 1:38:26Chris Ryan?

  This is a thing.

• 1:38:27Speaker 04

  It also takes a lot of energy to run it, which we're finding out in Android.

• 1:38:30Sean Fennessey?

  Very expensive.

• 1:38:31Chris Ryan?

  This is the thing. It's not Grand Admiral Thrawn.

• 1:38:36Chris Ryan?

  Did not want the resources going towards.

• 1:38:38Speaker 04

  You're about to lose Simmons.

• 1:38:39Sean Fennessey?

  No, I'm listening.

• 1:38:41Speaker 04

  I was just telling Ben to feed the dog.

• 1:38:43Chris Ryan?

  Okay, no, no, no, no, I'm not doing it.

• 1:38:45Speaker 04

  No, do it.

• 1:38:46Chris Ryan?

  Because it's disrespectful. No, I know, Grant, no, no, seriously. Uh, uh, uh, Grand Admiral Thrawn did not want the Death Star project to go forward. He had a, a plan for an advanced tie fighter, uh, that he thought would have been a much more pertinent use of the, or appropriate use, shall I say, of the Empire's resources? And that the Death Star was a waste of money and time and resources? And that it would lead to their ruin. And he was right. Grand Admiral Thrawn is the blue guy with the red eyes and.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  So which, which, who's the Phoenix Suns in this scenario? Who's Sarver?

• 1:39:22Sean Fennessey?

  Tarkin is Ishpiya. Yeah, Tarkin is Ishpiya, no question. He, he made the, he made the deal for Brad Beal and he got blown up on the Death Star because of it. There's no question about it.

• 1:39:31Chris Ryan?

  Now I understand. The only picking that I really had, it's related to what Sean just said, is on the Luke side of things with the Death Star. Luke bets the entire galaxy on a spiritual force he learned about a week ago. He's like, I'm turning off the computer. I'm going blind. It's like, dude, you were on a desert planet. You had never heard of the force before. And now you're fucking like, oh yeah, I'm all Jedi. Speaking of that, how much time on that equipment did Luke have? On, I know, they're like, he's a good bush pilot. On the X wing, yeah, like he, they, he's just up there, full uniform with the rest of the air force. It's like Randy Quaid in Independence Day. It's like, I'm just getting an F-16, man.

• 1:40:11Speaker 04

  Sequel, prequel, prestige, TBL, Black Cast, Untouchable. This movie did all of them eventually?

• 1:40:16Chris Ryan?

  Except, I know a lot of people in the Star Wars universe, you know who you are. I've been begging for the all-black Star Wars movie. And let me tell you why it should be made. To piss the fucking people off on, on Twitter, man. Just piss them off. Like they get mad every time there's one black person in the Star Wars movie. Fucking turn, do Star Wars Ghana. Like, you, you, you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm, I'm serious. Like, they, they get, they get so mad. By the way, I know people who are very high up in the Star Wars thing and I've told them, just make a all-black. Jedi troop. I'm talking about Star Wars with a Z. Like, just that. It's just Lando and Mace Windu.

• 1:41:00Chris Ryan?

  Lando, Mace Windu, all of their people do the whole black Star Wars movie. It would be dope. It would be super dope. There's a planet with nothing but white people. Why couldn't there be a planet with nothing but black?

• 1:41:12Speaker 04

  I see a great idea.

• 1:41:13Chris Ryan?

  That's the only thing of all of these things, it's the only thing they haven't done. Sequels been done, prequels been done, prestige has been done. The only thing that haven't been done, the true frontier that they haven't gone to, Star Trek, is the all-black cast.

• 1:41:28Speaker 04

  Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell Byron Mayo, Barney Cousins, Tony Romar, Henry Hill, Harley Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford, Wilford Brimley in the firm?

• 1:41:43Chris Ryan?

  I have an addition to this category.

• 1:41:44Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:41:46Chris Ryan?

  Is this movie with Bill Simmons podcasting about it on a Sunday night pod?

• 1:41:51Speaker 04

  Yes. I'm so honored.

• 1:41:53Chris Ryan?

  I actually watched the lightsaber battles and ever since Obi-Wan got brought down, Luke Skywalker has an edge. And guess what? He's just nineteen. He still has so many more levels to go.

• 1:42:10Sean Fennessey?

  That's good.

• 1:42:12Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 1:42:15Speaker 04

  Ryan Ruko?

• 1:42:19Chris Ryan?

  You do it. Luke's feeling the force. Is he gonna get in? Do that!

• 1:42:27Chris Ryan?

  I see you, Mr. Skywalker.

• 1:42:32Speaker 04

  Just one Oscar, who gets it?

• 1:42:34Chris Ryan?

  George, I guess. Yeah, Best Picture.

• 1:42:37Speaker 04

  Sound?

• 1:42:40Speaker 04

  Williams?

• 1:42:41Chris Ryan?

  You're saying just one. I'm gonna say.

• 1:42:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:45Speaker 04

  The sound is amazing in this movie. I would go sound. All right, probably an answerable questions.

• 1:42:53Speaker 04

  Did they intentionally make C-3PO look like an Oscar?

• 1:42:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 1:42:59Sean Fennessey?

  No, he's very closely modeled after the robot Metropolis. So I think it's just.

• 1:43:04Speaker 04

  Just asking.

• 1:43:05Sean Fennessey?

  Did they make him that gold to remind people of Oscar? Maybe, maybe.

• 1:43:10Speaker 04

  Why didn't Chewbacca have genitalia?

• 1:43:13Sean Fennessey?

  We don't know that he doesn't. He might be, he might be a hider.

• 1:43:16Chris Ryan?

  He's a Wookiee.

• 1:43:17Speaker 04

  There are many, many Wookiees.

• 1:43:18Chris Ryan?

  Did we just cross the over for the about of genitalia on Star Wars characters we're talking about?

• 1:43:23Speaker 04

  For at least three, four?

• 1:43:24Chris Ryan?

  Well, we hit two.

• 1:43:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. Does he have a butthole?

• 1:43:31Sean Fennessey?

  Very.

• 1:43:31Speaker 04

  Where, where, where are we doing?

• 1:43:32Sean Fennessey?

  Very interesting question.

• 1:43:33Speaker 04

  Like, what kind of creature are we talking about here? Okay, I would imagine. Is he a Ken dog?

• 1:43:38Chris Ryan?

  I imagine he was like a giant.

• 1:43:39Speaker 04

  Does he go to the bathroom? But it's very, it's very. Does Chewbacca go to the bathroom?

• 1:43:43Sean Fennessey?

  He was inspired by Lucas's Malamute, Indiana.

• 1:43:47Chris Ryan?

  His dog.

• 1:43:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And that dog has, you know, a lot of fur that is like that stringy fur.

• 1:43:54Speaker 04

  I can't see it.

• 1:43:55Sean Fennessey?

  But, you know, he's like, he's like a dog.

• 1:43:58Speaker 04

  So goes to the bathroom? I would say so, yeah.

• 1:44:00Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:44:02Chris Ryan?

  Do you wish there were more times in Star Wars where someone was like, I gotta take a piss?

• 1:44:07Speaker 04

  Chewbacca's like.

• 1:44:11Speaker 04

  Halloween nineteen seventy-eight, most people dressed the same.

• 1:44:15Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 1:44:16Speaker 04

  Probably the most, I got, I'm trying to think of another Halloween.

• 1:44:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:19Speaker 04

  Where there was more people in the exact same costume?

• 1:44:22Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, I'm probably.

• 1:44:24Chris Ryan?

  Like Michael Jackson Thriller?

• 1:44:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Heat, for you guys.

• 1:44:29Chris Ryan?

  Open collared like shirts.

• 1:44:31Speaker 04

  Okay, motherfucker.

• 1:44:34Speaker 04

  All right, Van, top five sci-fi woman Hall of Fame. Ooh, easy, Sarah Connor?

• 1:44:40Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, night, one or two?

• 1:44:42Speaker 04

  Two.

• 1:44:43Sean Fennessey?

  Two.

• 1:44:43Speaker 04

  I came across time for you, Sarah. Sarah Connor. Princess Leia?

• 1:44:51Speaker 04

  I'm gonna throw a new addition in there, Zendaya.

• 1:44:54Chris Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:44:54Speaker 04

  In Dune two. In Dune two.

• 1:44:56Sean Fennessey?

  You never really got a, she's kind of always wearing that still, still suit, you know, I don't know.

• 1:45:00Speaker 04

  You're not into it?

• 1:45:02Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I love Zendaya, but like, it's not Princess Leia's costuming.

• 1:45:08Speaker 04

  So, uh, so when we.

• 1:45:10Speaker 01

  Say sci fi, are we talking about like the entire realm of sci fi?

• 1:45:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  Okay, so then the do Marvel movies count as well?

• 1:45:20Speaker 04

  Do they?

• 1:45:21Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so, but.

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  Marvel movies count, I got Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow.

• 1:45:26Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  That's an all time white girl right there.

• 1:45:29Speaker 04

  Doesn't count, doesn't count. Sorry.

• 1:45:31Sean Fennessey?

  Are you throwing out you?

• 1:45:32Speaker 04

  Daryl Hannah from Blade Runner, maybe?

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  Perhaps.

• 1:45:35Sean Fennessey?

  What about Carrie and Moss?

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  That she's in there.

• 1:45:37Speaker 04

  TV shows count, so you can go Aaron Gray late seventies. Incredible Battle Network Stars performances, go look those up on YouTube.

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  If I was gonna do Blade Runner, though, I'd actually do Sean Young.

• 1:45:48Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, you could.

• 1:45:50Speaker 01

  I do Sean.

• 1:45:51Speaker 04

  Don't make Craig mad, though. Sean Young. He didn't see it.

• 1:45:56Speaker 01

  You don't know Sean Young.

• 1:45:58Speaker 04

  No, no way out.

• 1:45:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I know who Sean Young is.

• 1:46:01Speaker 04

  Wasn't in. Thumbs down from Craig.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  Thumbs down to Sean.

• 1:46:04Chris Ryan?

  I was introduced to Sean Young in Ace Ventura. Kind of hard to go backwards from there.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  But I gotta take one out because obviously.

• 1:46:10Sean Fennessey?

  Einhorn.

• 1:46:11Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:46:11Sean Fennessey?

  Einhorn is Finkel.

• 1:46:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  Oh, Einhorn is Finkel.

• 1:46:14Sean Fennessey?

  Finkel is Einhorn.

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  Uh, but Ellen Ripley.

• 1:46:17Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:46:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:46:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  Ellen Ripley.

• 1:46:21Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good one.

• 1:46:24Speaker 04

  What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I would want a lightsaber.

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:46:32Speaker 04

  Which. You can only have one lightsaber, who are you taking? Obi? I'll take Darth, because like as far as I know Darth's lightsaber, you know, is the one that works, was the one that takes down Obi-Wan.

• 1:46:43Sean Fennessey?

  It's the red one.

• 1:46:43Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:46:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:45Speaker 04

  Sean?

• 1:46:46Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, Greedo's corpse.

• 1:46:50Sean Fennessey?

  No, Hans Blaster would be cool.

• 1:46:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  Hans Blaster would be very cool, but it's Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber, though.

• 1:46:58Speaker 04

  Can I make the case for the thing?

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:47:00Sean Fennessey?

  The red one.

• 1:47:01Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:47:02Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, he has.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  Luke has Anakin Skywalker. Right, right. Well, no, no, no, so I would still.

• 1:47:07Sean Fennessey?

  Anakin Skywalker's.

• 1:47:08Speaker 04

  I think lightsaber is the answer, but we we ban cars from this category. The thing Luke's driving around.

• 1:47:14Sean Fennessey?

  The speeder.

• 1:47:15Speaker 04

  Fucking thing is.

• 1:47:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that is cool.

• 1:47:16Speaker 04

  Just to have that in your garage.

• 1:47:18Chris Ryan?

  Take that tool around Hancock Park.

• 1:47:19Speaker 04

  Is that from Star Wars?

• 1:47:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:21Speaker 04

  Luke's.

• 1:47:23Sean Fennessey?

  There's a there's a one digitally added sequence from when they reissued the movie in the whatever it was late 90s. That shows like the digital version of the speeder that is so much less cool. You know, that shows that like moving around in the open world as opposed to the way that they shot it in the movie. And it's just the most perfect example of like, we just don't need this. Like the speeder looks so fucking awesome in the practical version of the movie. Anyway.

• 1:47:46Speaker 04

  The Darth mask, I think would be the other one. I'm trying to think what thing from this movie would go for the most money.

• 1:47:55Sean Fennessey?

  Gotta be the lightsaber.

• 1:47:55Speaker 04

  Good category. So Luke's Luke's lightsaber, the game worn Luke's.

• 1:48:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:01Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there there are three lightsabers in the movie. There's Vader's, there's Obi-Wan's, which we don't really know what happens to it. I'm assuming Vader takes it for a trophy or something like that.

• 1:48:08Speaker 04

  Felt like Luke could have grabbed that before he.

• 1:48:10Chris Ryan?

  Well, no, he's crossed that whole.

• 1:48:11Speaker 04

  He's getting shot at.

• 1:48:12Sean Fennessey?

  He only steps on it, right? When he checks on the.

• 1:48:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, he's kicking his clothes.

• 1:48:15Sean Fennessey?

  When he kicks his clothes. Yeah, so it's there. So I'm assuming Vader takes it as a trophy, whatever. But then there's the other one. Which lightsaber would you take of all the three? If you had to have a piece of memorabilia.

• 1:48:23Speaker 04

  I'd want Luke's.

• 1:48:25Sean Fennessey?

  I always liked Mace Windu's purple lightsaber. It's great.

• 1:48:29Speaker 04

  Coach Finstak or a best life lesson? May the force be with you.

• 1:48:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:33Sean Fennessey?

  May the force be with you.

• 1:48:34Speaker 04

  The force will be with you, Chris Ryan. Trust the force.

• 1:48:40Speaker 04

  We'll always have good TV shows, Chris Ryan. Trust the force.

• 1:48:43Sean Fennessey?

  You got another one though.

• 1:48:44Speaker 04

  The bear is gonna be really good season four in June. Trust.

• 1:48:48Chris Ryan?

  Reach out with your feelings for the bear.

• 1:48:50Speaker 04

  You and Andy Greenwald will have good podcasts. Trust it. Trust it, my son.

• 1:48:56Speaker 04

  You have a life lesson?

• 1:48:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, raise your kids. Oh, wow.

• 1:48:59Chris Ryan?

  Don't let Uncle Owen raise your kid.

• 1:49:01Sean Fennessey?

  Don't let Uncle Owen raise your kids. Your kids will come back and they'll take over your empire.

• 1:49:04Speaker 04

  Best double feature choice, is it Sith or is it Empire?

• 1:49:08Chris Ryan?

  It's Rogue One.

• 1:49:10Sean Fennessey?

  I have Denis Villeneuve's Dune.

• 1:49:14Chris Ryan?

  The first one or the second one?

• 1:49:15Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, the first one.

• 1:49:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:16Sean Fennessey?

  Sand Planet, kind of same thing.

• 1:49:18Speaker 07

  I like to go outside of the Pantheon with the double feature.

• 1:49:21Sean Fennessey?

  What about American Graffiti?

• 1:49:23Speaker 04

  Oh, go full Lucas.

• 1:49:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:26Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 1:49:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:49:28Speaker 04

  Raiders would be interesting.

• 1:49:29Sean Fennessey?

  It would be good too.

• 1:49:30Speaker 04

  Who won the movie?

• 1:49:30Chris Ryan?

  Harrison Ford.

• 1:49:31Sean Fennessey?

  George Lucas.

• 1:49:32Speaker 04

  You're really going Harrison Ford?

• 1:49:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:34Speaker 04

  George Lucas made four billion dollars from this movie.

• 1:49:37Chris Ryan?

  I'm saying Harrison Ford keeps this movie attached to like humanity. It's a robot and a twerp acting against each other. If you don't have, he's the coolest guy, like in one of the coolest movie characters ever.

• 1:49:49Speaker 04

  Sean?

• 1:49:50Sean Fennessey?

  Lucas? Um, I mean, George Lucas's net worth is estimated to be between eight billion and nine point five.

• 1:49:57Speaker 07

  He's got nine billion dollars?

• 1:49:59Sean Fennessey?

  That's what they estimated at, yeah. So.

• 1:50:01Speaker 07

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

• 1:50:03Speaker 04

  It would have.

• 1:50:04Sean Fennessey?

  Because he sold Lucasfilm for four, but he was making money on Star Wars. He's just through the eighties, nineties and two thousands.

• 1:50:13Chris Ryan?

  But is that why you think he won the movie?

• 1:50:15Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he won the movie because he created the most indelible franchise in Hollywood history. But he also made fucking bank on it too.

• 1:50:22Chris Ryan?

  What do you think?

• 1:50:22Speaker 07

  It's gotta be Lucas. The, that's a compelling argument for Harrison Ford. But I don't know that anyone in this industry has won any single movie as much as George Lucas has won this movie.

• 1:50:36Chris Ryan?

  I was just trying to be interesting.

• 1:50:38Speaker 04

  Can I make the case for Aunt Peru?

• 1:50:39Sean Fennessey?

  Would have been better if you went last rather than first.

• 1:50:43Speaker 04

  Can I make an Aunt Peru case?

• 1:50:44Chris Ryan?

  Aunt Peru?

• 1:50:44Sean Fennessey?

  Aunt Peru.

• 1:50:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, one line out.

• 1:50:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And Milphi?

• 1:50:48Speaker 04

  Uh, Bill, way to go, man.

• 1:50:50Chris Ryan?

  Craig?

• 1:50:51Speaker 04

  What a trip.

• 1:50:52Chris Ryan?

  Craig's up. What do you got, Craig?

• 1:50:55Sean Fennessey?

  Craig, is he Star Wars?

• 1:50:56Speaker 04

  Craig, Star Wars, nineteen seventy seven?

• 1:50:58Chris Ryan?

  I don't know, do any of you guys, are any of you guys big video game people? I'm like, I'm not really, but Van, are you?

• 1:51:03Speaker 07

  Uh, yeah, I like to play video games.

• 1:51:05Chris Ryan?

  What, thinking back to the Apex Mountains, also, I love the Star Wars. The Star Wars video game was fucking incredible. I would say, would you say this is the best video games to come off of an original movie ever?

• 1:51:16Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 1:51:18Speaker 07

  Uh, so Bond has some good video games, but they don't compare to the Star Wars.

• 1:51:23Chris Ryan?

  Star Wars games are awesome.

• 1:51:25Speaker 07

  Because you have Jedi Fallen Order, you have Battlefront.

• 1:51:28Chris Ryan?

  You have the original arcade game where you were in the Tie Fighter, right?

• 1:51:32Speaker 07

  Then you have the one for Super Nintendo, Super Star Wars. Like probably, yeah, that came from a movie?

• 1:51:37Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:38Speaker 07

  Probably, yeah.

• 1:51:40Chris Ryan?

  Anyway, good movie.

• 1:51:41Speaker 04

  Slow, decent.

• 1:51:43Chris Ryan?

  Fast? Uh, I mean, yeah, it's a little slow. I mean, there's just like pace just picked up as we moved closer to now. And that's just what it is. The first 20 minutes is a little slow, but what I took away watching it again, I think I probably saw him when I was 15. Of course you like him, but now I just appreciate them so more. When I was 15, I'm not thinking about, I mean, I'm comparing it to all the other movies I saw when I was 15, which like probably had better special effects or whatever. Looking back now, the originality is kind of staggering. I kind of can't fathom that level of originality working now. Like, it's just unbelievable that this is just, I know he had influences, but everybody does. Like him just pulling this out of his ass, putting it on the screen, everything's brand new, the world building.

• 1:52:24Chris Ryan?

  Honestly, the closest thing I can think of is John Wick, and it's probably why John Wick worked, because it's like just new. And everybody could kind of like get into the world and like it. Yeah. And it's why it's the newest action franchise that has like spawned spin offs and is still around and people like it. Sinners. Yeah, maybe Sinners? Sinners took us in a world. Terminator did too. Yeah.

• 1:52:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, last time, one of the few times where I felt the same way in a movie that I felt the first time I saw Star Wars was The Matrix. The Matrix was the time where I was like, wow.

• 1:52:53Chris Ryan?

  That's a good one.

• 1:52:53Sean Fennessey?

  Like, they have thought this through completely.

• 1:52:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:56Sean Fennessey?

  You know, that sense of like, I'm in great hands right now. Um, but it's very rare. It's very rare.

• 1:53:02Chris Ryan?

  I also think it's cool that Lucas, I think it's cool that George Lucas was like, I just wanted to make a movie that was fun. He's like, if you have to take one word away from my, this movie's just fun. I know he's like, the movie's trying to say something, but I don't think the themes are, I don't know. I don't know if it's trying to say that much. It's, it's interesting. It, um, essentially, like, we talk about Star Wars and, um, I talked to a friend about it. He goes, essentially the movie is about like fathers and sons. It's very, it's not really, it's a complicated lore, but not a complicated story like. Not a complicated movie too. Just like this is a really, this is a great chase.

• 1:53:37Sean Fennessey?

  Good versus evil.

• 1:53:37Chris Ryan?

  Feeling. Same with Indiana Jones. Like, I don't really know what Indiana Jones is about, but Indiana Jones, and it's my favorite movie. It's just like a feeling and it. And I, growing up, the Disney rides obviously were around when I saw these movies. So I kind of immediately made that connection. Which is probably different for you guys because they made them as, as over, over time. But like, I associate these movies with like, that feeling of being at Disneyland, to be honest.

• 1:54:00Sean Fennessey?

  Star Tours is not a great ride, and yet I would wait in line for hours to go on it over and over and over again at Disneyland.

• 1:54:08Chris Ryan?

  Star Tours, I like, but I tell you one thing, that is a fantastic ride, and it was one of the best experiences I've had as an adult man. Not doing commercials, but have you been on Rise of the Resistance?

• 1:54:20Sean Fennessey?

  In, in, in Galaxy's Edge.

• 1:54:23Chris Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:54:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 1:54:25Chris Ryan?

  You're in Star Wars, Bill. You're in it. They got stormtroopers everywhere. Okay, you're, you're inside of Star Wars. We all went as a Ringer-verse family. Man, we're gonna do a Ringer Day at Disneyland. We, we did one. It was, it was. Oh, they didn't? Oh, there's a hotel they closed. But they, they closed, when we did Star Wars Celebration a couple of years ago, they had like, a place where just the media could go. And me and Mal and, and the Midnight Boys, we rode it a bunch of times. Phenomenal. Phenomenal.

• 1:54:57Speaker 04

  How'd we do?

• 1:54:59Chris Ryan?

  I think you did a great job. About three and a half. You brought really good energy.

• 1:55:01Speaker 04

  That's the longest one we've done?

• 1:55:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. No, Boogie and Pulp both went over four. Okay.

• 1:55:06Speaker 04

  Is that true?

• 1:55:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's what Craig was telling us.

• 1:55:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:08Sean Fennessey?

  This was pretty good. I wasn't planning for.

• 1:55:10Chris Ryan?

  I mean, it's the longest. Like, unplanned two-parter.

• 1:55:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:14Speaker 04

  Good job.

• 1:55:15Chris Ryan?

  Bill, you, I'm, I'm proud of you, man.

• 1:55:17Speaker 04

  I really enjoyed it.

• 1:55:19Chris Ryan?

  Are more coming?

• 1:55:20Speaker 04

  I feel like I missed out.

• 1:55:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this has been the big question.

• 1:55:22Chris Ryan?

  Are we gonna do more?

• 1:55:22Sean Fennessey?

  Is, will you do Empire, or will you do Jedi?

• 1:55:24Speaker 04

  I guess we'll have to let the people decide.

• 1:55:26Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 1:55:26Speaker 04

  The nerds are gonna get mad about Chewbacca. I'm gonna take some shit for that. What else?

• 1:55:32Chris Ryan?

  The questions that you're asking, by the way, about Chewbacca, we've asked, we just asked them in like ninety-two. Yeah, and asked them in maybe a more polite way. How could this guy go to the bathroom? It'd be funny.

• 1:55:43Chris Ryan?

  It'd be funny to do Spaceballs next.

• 1:55:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, thanks, guys.

• 1:55:47Chris Ryan?

  Thanks, Bill.

• 1:55:47Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks, Bill.

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