592. Mad Victorian Sport

How and when was football invented, and what are the origins of football clubs? What is the connection between public hangings, highwaymen, and early sporting events? Which is the most historically important sporting ground in the world? When was the first cricket test match played? What are the origins of rugby? Who was Richard Manks - the Lionel Messi of the Victorian period - and what did he achieve? And, what is the history of the mighty Ashes, one of the most celebrated sporting rivalries of all time? Join Tom and Dominic as they discuss the surprising history of some of the world’s greatest sports, sporting events, and stadiums. Watch The Long Walk exclusively in cinemas 12th September. Book now at thelongwalkmovie.co.uk Join The Rest Is History Club: Unlock the full experience of the show – with exclusive bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to every series and live show tickets, a members-only newsletter, discounted books from the show, and access to our private Discord chatroom. Sign up directly at therestishistory.com For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Producer: Theo Young-Smith Assistant Producer: Tabby Syrett + Aaliyah Akude Executive Producers: Jack Davenport + Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:57Dominic Sandbrook?

  Some years since, the feat of walking 1,000 miles in 1,000 hours was considered next to an impossibility. But here, we have to record the wonder doubled. This has been accomplished on the Surrey cricket ground, Kennington Oval, by Richard Manx, whose feats of walking present instances of the capability and endurance of the human frame altogether unparalleled. Manx commenced his feat on Friday, the 26th of last September. But, being suddenly attacked with diarrhoea, he was compelled to give up on the Monday following, after having walked 129 miles.

• 3:38Dominic Sandbrook?

  His surgeon ordered Manx to rest for a time, to recruit his health and strength. This the pedestrian reluctantly yielded to, and for a fortnight he remained under medical treatment. On Friday, the 10th of October, he recommenced his great task. Starting for the first mile at four o'clock in the afternoon, on he went, full of spirit, completing his first 100 miles at 43 minutes 15 seconds after five o'clock on Sunday evening the 12th of October. His second 100 miles at 44 minutes 10 seconds past seven o'clock on Tuesday, the 14th of October.

• 4:16Dominic Sandbrook?

  And finally, after completing another 799 miles, going for his 1,000th mile at half past 11 o'clock on Friday morning, October the 31st. Manx has been heard to declare that never again will he attempt such a frightful feat.

• 4:38Dominic Sandbrook?

  So that was the Illustrated London News, November 1851. And Tom, it is recording one of the supreme feats in the history of sport. A triumph over adversity, over adverse conditions, over the landscape and over diarrhoea. It's a feat that deserves to live in the legends of sport, but sadly has been almost completely forgotten.

• 5:04Tom Holland?

  Tragically, it has. And I like to think that the rest of history is nothing if not a vehicle for resurrecting great sporting feats that have been forgotten. And I think obviously, one of the reasons why it's been forgotten is it did happen a very long time ago. So it happened before the first Olympics of the modern era in Athens in 1896, before the establishment here in England of the Football League in 1888, before the founding of professional baseball in the United States way back in 1869. So, I mean, that's a very good reason why Richard Manx is no longer a household name. But I guess it's also because the sporting field in which he established himself as the GOAT, the greatest of all time, namely pedestrianism. I mean, it no longer exists.

• 5:48Tom Holland?

  Nobody, you don't see pedestrianism on Sky Sports.

• 5:53Dominic Sandbrook?

  No, no, but people still walk, Tom.

• 5:56Tom Holland?

  They do, but they're not doing it as part of a very complicated sporting infrastructure, are they?

• 6:01Dominic Sandbrook?

  No, they're not.

• 6:02Tom Holland?

  And in that, it's unlike other sports that were starting to flourish in the early 19th century in Britain. So horse racing, I mean, that's been going on for a long time. Cricket, that dates back to the 17th century. Boxing, again, a very long history. But sadly, pedestrianism hasn't made it into the modern era. So it might, in that sense, seem a kind of, you know, historical artefact.

• 6:26Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 6:26Tom Holland?

  But I think the reason for zooming in on this seemingly obscure topic is that his incredible feat at the Kennington Oval in 1851, even as it reminds us of a sporting world that we have lost, I think it is also anticipating the future. And you can see lots of ways in which it anticipates the future in that report that you read from the Illustrated London News.

• 6:51Dominic Sandbrook?

  So the fact that the report exists at all, right? So we did a story, lots of listeners will remember one of the great episodes we did on history's greatest monkeys. And we covered another sporting fixture, which was the encounter between Jaco Macaco and Puss the dog. In the Westminster Pitt, and that was a window into the unknowability of the past, because there weren't really reliable newspaper reports of what happened in this great sporting encounter. But here, you know, we have a very detailed report with very, very precise timings.

• 7:19Tom Holland?

  Yes, perhaps overly precise.

• 7:21Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yes, exactly. Forty-three minutes and fifteen seconds after five o'clock.

• 7:27Tom Holland?

  But the thing is, that's what people love in sport, isn't it?

• 7:29Dominic Sandbrook?

  Of course it is. The statistics, plus the media, plus the reportage, that's key to the sporting phenomenon, isn't it?

• 7:36Tom Holland?

  It absolutely is. And also, I think the other thing that points to the future is the way that innovations have been introduced at this great sporting occasion to boost attendance, to get spectators in through the turnstiles. So one of these is reported, not in the Illustrated London News, but in another paper covering this occasion, The Morning Advertiser. And the journalist writes, "A number of variegated lamps have been placed in the most conspicuous parts of the course, and one placed on each of the stakes that hold the ropes that form the ring. And these are set up on the final night where Manx is approaching the finishing line, because so many people want to come and see it. And obviously, he's walking through the night.

• 8:17Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Tom Holland?

  And it's dark.

• 8:18Dominic Sandbrook?

  I'm just gonna go on record here. People say there's no such thing as progress in history, but a world in which people would get up in the middle of the night to watch a man walking, basically walking down the road is demented.

• 8:29Tom Holland?

  Absolutely. I mean, it is progress, because to quote the sports journalist Dominic Upton, who's written a fascinating article on this, "These lamps made Manx's display of pedestrianism on the final night of his great feat at the Oval the world's first floodlit sporting event."

• 8:45Dominic Sandbrook?

  Wow.

• 8:45Tom Holland?

  You know, and all of this contributes to the buzz.

• 8:47Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 8:48Tom Holland?

  So by the time that Manx finally gets to cross the finishing line, the Oval is absolutely full to capacity. All 3,000 seats, 3,000 seats, incredible. And there are massive, massive queues outside. All the streets around the Oval are kind of filled to overflowing.

• 9:04Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 9:04Tom Holland?

  It's the talk of London.

• 9:06Dominic Sandbrook?

  I can't help thinking that a lot of those people are going to be disappointed.

• 9:10Tom Holland?

  But they're not though. I mean, that's the thing. The sense of occasion is incredible. And I think that's precisely what makes it such a kind of pivotal moment in the history of sport, that it's midway between the future, a future with floodlight sporting occasions and press coverage and all of that, but also a past that reaches way, way back into the pre-modern world.

• 9:31Dominic Sandbrook?

  And I know you're passionate about this particular sporting venue. So the Oval in itself is a harbinger of what's to come, isn't it? Because it's, it's the ancestor in some ways, or was an ancestor of the sports stadiums, you know, Villa Park, Molineux, the great stadiums of football or cricket or American football or baseball or whatever it might be.

• 9:51Tom Holland?

  Yeah. So the Oval had been founded six years earlier in 1845 in Kennington, which is in South London. And it's catering to the southern reaches of London, which by this point is the world's largest city, in the same way that another and even older cricket ground, namely Lord's, caters to its northern reaches. And these two grounds are physical emblems of sport as a new kind of entertainment, an industrial form of entertainment, because it is serving an industrial megalopolis. So London is sprawling, it's rich, it's teeming with inhabitants. And these inhabitants, lots of them now, are consumers who have both

• 10:36Tom Holland?

  the time and the money to sit down and watch a man walk around a field.

• 10:43Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 10:43Tom Holland?

  As well as a host of other occasions.

• 10:45Dominic Sandbrook?

  So it reflects the development of leisure as much as anything else, and also suburbanism, right? Because these are effectively what would then have been called suburban grounds.

• 10:53Tom Holland?

  Yes. And that's interesting because Kennington is now a suburb of London. It's being absorbed into the kind of the mass of the city. But previously, it had been a common, which is a vast expanse of open public land. That's why it's called a common. Because it was close to London, it had provided Londoners with the kind of place of public recreation. It's where you would go out to breathe fresh air. And this, you know, the recreation you could find there included sports of all kinds. And as London expands and the common starts to vanish beneath brick, the Oval is founded to ensure that there would be at least some open ground where people could, you know, continue to play cricket, or as we will see, football as well. And in that sense, the Oval is

• 11:36Tom Holland?

  not just looking forward to the future, it is a reminder of the role that Commons had played in providing recreation for people in England and indeed other countries as well. And these are kind of forms of entertainment that reach back to the medieval past.

• 11:53Dominic Sandbrook?

  So there may be some listeners who are sort of thinking, oh, gosh, I wish they were doing, you know, the War of the Spanish Succession or something, because sport isn't really history. But of course, sport is history. It's part of the texture of life for millions of people who were here before us. And this week, we've got a guest coming on, namely Robert Coles, who is going to be talking about boxing. And he's written a brilliant book, This Sporting Life. And he makes the point, doesn't he, that historians, perhaps because they're often quite nerdy people, they tend to neglect sport or to slightly condescend to it when they write about it. They don't treat it with the importance that it deserves as a, as a kind of specimen of, of social history. You agree with him, don't you? Because obviously, you've written about sport in the Greek and Roman worlds, or chariot racing, I guess, in Constantinople.

• 12:35Tom Holland?

  Yeah, I think that what people do in their leisure time is fascinating. And sport in the modern world is such a huge part of people's lives, but it's also a huge part of the global economy. I mean, it's absolutely become a way for not just individuals anymore, but entire states to project their, their prestige and their power. So I think the story of how that has emerged is really significant. And so in that spirit, why don't we try and place this great feat of Richard Manx at the Oval in its proper historical context?

• 13:09Dominic Sandbrook?

  I'd love that.

• 13:10Tom Holland?

  We can do that first by looking at the history of pedestrianism, this kind of mad sounding sport, now pretty much forgotten, but one that... It was a topic of obsessional interest in the first half of 19th century Britain. It becomes a complete national obsession. And then by looking at the significance of the venue where he does this feat, this incredible achievement of walking 1,000 miles in 500 consecutive half hours, so namely the Oval. Why was it built where it was? And how did it subsequently influence the development of professional sport as we would recognise it today?

• 13:44Dominic Sandbrook?

  Sounds brilliant.

• 13:45Tom Holland?

  And I think that answering these questions, I hope, will make the case for the Oval as perhaps one of, if not the most historically significant of all modern sports grounds. Kind of the prototype for so much that follows.

• 13:58Dominic Sandbrook?

  Okay, well, it's definitely up there with the ground that invented European football, which is modern. So let us start with pedestrianism, though. So you compare it in your notes with boxing and cricket. So a sport that is basically born of the 18th century obsession with gambling.

• 14:17Tom Holland?

  Yes.

• 14:18Dominic Sandbrook?

  So people are betting money on people walking around a track or down the street or whatever, which seems mad, but we know that the Georgians loved to bet. So that's actually pretty plausible.

• 14:27Tom Holland?

  Yeah. And the thing is that it's something that appeals both to the upper classes, to the very highest echelons of society and to the vast mass of people. And actually, foot races, so not not people running, but just walking, have been a feature of kind of fairs and public celebrations since at least the Restoration back in the 17th century.

• 14:51Dominic Sandbrook?

  Oh, they knew how to have fun.

• 14:53Tom Holland?

  They really did. The Merry Monarch. Nothing but fun.

• 14:57Dominic Sandbrook?

  But noblemen would bet on these, right?

• 14:59Tom Holland?

  Absolutely. So it's completely part of the climate of aristocratic gambling. So it's not just happening in fairs, it's happening in the kind of gentlemen's clubs where you go to give talks about yourself. So in the 18th century. Famously, this saw aristocrats in their clubs bet on all kinds of mad things. So would a pigeon leave a window ledge within a given time?

• 15:19Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 15:20Tom Holland?

  Or perhaps the most notorious one, there's a bet that one of the gamblers would be able to have sex, and I quote, "in a balloon 1,000 yards from the earth."

• 15:28Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 15:28Tom Holland?

  So these are the kind of things, "Oh dear, I've just lost Shropshire," that kind of thing.

• 15:32Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Tom Holland?

  Because the pigeon has flown off, or his lordship hasn't managed to get in the hot air balloon with a strumpet, all of that.

• 15:39Dominic Sandbrook?

  But they will use their servants, won't they? So basically, footman racing, is that right? They'll race their footmen?

• 15:44Tom Holland?

  Yes. And again, this reaches back to the Restoration. So Samuel Pepys, of course, I mean, he loves his pleasures. And so he's a big enthusiast for footman racing. So on the 30th of July, 1663, he reports how "the town talk this day is of nothing but the great footrace run this day on banistered downs between Lee, the Duke of Richmond's footman, and a tailor, a famous runner. And Lee hath beat him, though the King and Duke of York and all men almost did bet three or four to one upon the tailor's head." So the King, the Duke of York, I mean, you know, it doesn't get higher than that.

• 16:15Dominic Sandbrook?

  Wow.

• 16:16Tom Holland?

  And so this is an enthusiasm that runs through the 17th century, through the 18th century, into the Napoleonic Wars. And in the fight against France, the fight against Napoleon, the craze for gambling on foot races starts to merge with something else that we've talked about a lot in connection, say, with Nelson. And this is a relish for displays of heroic manliness.

• 16:38Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right. And people believe that you can prove your manliness by walking. Is that right?

• 16:43Tom Holland?

  Yes, they do. They do. And when you contemplate the feats that are achieved, I mean, you'd see why. So the guy who blazes the path for this emerging sport of pedestrianism in the first decade of the 19th century is a Scotsman called Robert Barclay Ollardyce, and he's universally known as Captain Barclay. And He comes from a very old and distinguished Scottish family. He's a descendant, I think, of a cousin of the founder of Barclay's Bank.

• 17:11Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 17:12Tom Holland?

  He's a military man, so hence Captain Barclay. He served with the Royal Welsh Fusiliers and he is an archetypal sportsman. So when he's not off serving with His Majesty's Army, he is training and supporting boxers and himself engaging in boxing. But his main claim to fame is his stunning feats of what come to be called pedestrianism. And he seems to kind of have worked up to this by every so often doing some kind of mad feat. So in 1801, it's a very, very muddy day.

• 17:44Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 17:44Tom Holland?

  And he thinks, oh, mud, brilliant, there's a challenge. And so he walks 110 miles in under 19 and a half hours along these muddy lanes, just to show that he can do it.

• 17:54Dominic Sandbrook?

  I'm going to go on record, and I don't believe you could guarantee that all 110 miles would be muddy. I think you could talk up the mud, but I believe that parts of that track would be just less muddy.

• 18:04Tom Holland?

  Okay, don't look, that's the bracing skepticism for which you are, you are renowned.

• 18:07Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 18:08Tom Holland?

  1805, don't know whether you're going to be skeptical about this. He has his breakfast and then he thinks, I'll go for a walk. He walks 72 miles and then he sits down for dinner.

• 18:16Dominic Sandbrook?

  No, I believe that because I'm doing something similar because I'm walking around the Welsh coast, as you know, with my mates, James and Tim from school.

• 18:22Tom Holland?

  And how far have you got with that?

• 18:24Dominic Sandbrook?

  A lot of miles, a lot of miles. We started in the top North Wales, which is quite grim, if I'm completely honest. In about 2040, we'll be in the nice bit with all the beaches and stuff. But we're doing absolutely Herculean feats. People are very welcome to come and watch. I'd love that, actually.

• 18:40Tom Holland?

  I mean, maybe you could sell the rights to some sporting channel.

• 18:44Dominic Sandbrook?

  Why have Gohanga not snapped this up? Mad.

• 18:47Tom Holland?

  Yeah. So you and Captain Barclay, both absolute heroes of pedestrianism. And it's in 1809 that Captain Barclay really puts his name on the map. So this is a feat that rings down the ages and the Times cover gives a full report to it and it happened on the 12th of July 1809. The Times report runs two days later on the 14th of July and it comes from a circuit at Newmarket. So here is the Times. The gentleman on Wednesday completed his arduous pedestrian undertaking to walk a thousand miles in a thousand successive hours at the rate of a mile in each and every hour. He had until four o'clock PM to finish his task, but he performed his last mile in

• 19:31Tom Holland?

  the quarter of an hour after three with perfect ease and great spirit amidst an immense concourse of spectators. So pluck and spectators, everything that you'd want in a sporting occasion.

• 19:43Dominic Sandbrook?

  Let me just work this out. He started this on the first of June.

• 19:47Tom Holland?

  Yeah.

• 19:48Dominic Sandbrook?

  And he finished it on the 12th of July.

• 19:50Tom Holland?

  Yep.

• 19:51Dominic Sandbrook?

  So for 42 days, he walked every hour of every day. Surely even the most obtuse listener will have spotted some potential drawbacks. When does he eat? When does he sleep? When does he go to the toilet? How does that work?

• 20:10Tom Holland?

  So what he does is he walks back to back miles. So he will walk a mile at the end of one hour and then carry on into the next hour, which then kind of frees up time. So he has kind of 90 minute intervals where he could.

• 20:22Dominic Sandbrook?

  Oh.

• 20:23Tom Holland?

  Go to the toilet or snatch a few minutes sleep.

• 20:26Dominic Sandbrook?

  So he walks in every hour, but he doesn't walk for the whole hour, basically.

• 20:30Tom Holland?

  No, so he has to walk a mile every hour.

• 20:32Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 20:33Tom Holland?

  And then once he's done it, then he can have a rest.

• 20:34Dominic Sandbrook?

  The sleep is a big issue, I think.

• 20:36Tom Holland?

  He has kind of 90 minute bursts where he can have sleep and then he gets woken up.

• 20:40Dominic Sandbrook?

  For 42 days, that's bonkers.

• 20:42Tom Holland?

  Yeah, I mean, it's tough and this is why it's so celebrated and it features on, you know, in all the newspapers alongside kind of news of British victories and the Peninsula War and so on. And in fact, the maddest thing of all is that five days after he's completed this walk, Captain Barclay is sailing with his regiment for the Low Countries and it goes disastrously wrong. But Captain Barclay continues to be hailed as a kind of absolute model of of British manhood and proof that even though the British Army may not be able to defeat the French in the sporting fields of the Low Countries.

• 21:17Dominic Sandbrook?

  We could outwalk them.

• 21:19Tom Holland?

  We can absolutely outwalk them because this is not something the French are getting up to.

• 21:22Dominic Sandbrook?

  No, of course not.

• 21:23Tom Holland?

  So a great cause of patriotic pride.

• 21:25Dominic Sandbrook?

  But also Captain Barclay, you're presenting him as this sort of selfless incarnation of British manhood, but am I not right in saying he's making a lot of money from this?

• 21:34Tom Holland?

  Well, I don't think that that diminishes his his pluck and manhood.

• 21:37Dominic Sandbrook?

  Okay.

• 21:38Tom Holland?

  But yes, he's very, very well remunerated. And again, The Times covers this. Fascinating also is a way in which it seems so modern that the sporting feats are celebrated, but there is an obsessive interest in how much money is being generated. So The Times puts it Captain Barclay had a large sum depending upon his undertaking. The aggregate of the bets is supposed to amount to a hundred thousand pounds. I mean, that's a lot of money at the time. And so it's not surprising that in the years that follow Barclay's great feat, there are lots of pedestrianists who attempt not just to emulate it, but to surpass it. So in 1815, you have an Essex man named Josiah Eaton, who goes just that little bit better

• 22:19Tom Holland?

  than Barclay by undertaking a walk of 1,100 miles in 1,100 hours. And he does this going round and round Blackheath, which is a common in South East London. And he completes that on Boxing Day. And it must have been scheduled because they would have worked out when he would finish it. And this again is a pointer to the great British tradition of sport on Boxing Day.

• 22:41Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, of course. Yeah.

• 22:42Tom Holland?

  And indeed in Australia, so football and cricket.

• 22:45Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah. And then the sport goes from strength to strength, doesn't it? So by the 18, late 1830s, you're really into a golden age of pedestrianism.

• 22:51Tom Holland?

  1838, the golden year of pedestrianist feats. So that year, you have one pedestrian who walks 1,250 miles in successive 1,000 hours. So that's basically one and a quarter miles every hour.

• 23:04Dominic Sandbrook?

  Hmm.

• 23:05Tom Holland?

  A bit like cricket, there's quite a lot of maths involved.

• 23:07Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 23:08Tom Holland?

  In pedestrianism. Then another succeeds in walking 1,500 miles in 1,000 hours. And then later in the year, he completes 1,750 miles in 1,000 hours. So in other words, you're having less and less time to complete your miles. But it is Richard Manx in 1851, this extraordinary feat, who passes the ultimate test. So. Dominic, who is Richard Manx, this great forgotten British sportsman?

• 23:37Dominic Sandbrook?

  So people know that actually there are two great sporting heroes in British history. One is Steve Bull from Wolverhampton Wanderers, who was from the West Midlands. And Richard Manx, it's no coincidence, is also from the West Midlands. He's a bricklayer, isn't he, from Solihull? And the bricklaying is key to this, isn't it?

• 23:53Tom Holland?

  Yeah.

• 23:53Dominic Sandbrook?

  People say that basically he's, he's used to toiling for, for hours and hours.

• 23:59Tom Holland?

  Yeah.

• 23:59Dominic Sandbrook?

  And bricklaying has given him tremendous endurance, stamina and strength.

• 24:03Tom Holland?

  Yes. And before he takes up pedestrianism, he's been a runner, a middle distance runner, then a long distance runner. And he ends up with the splendid nickname of the Warwickshire Antelope, which is actually red. I don't know if I've ever mentioned this, Dominic, before, but my great uncle, Charles Holland.

• 24:18Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 24:19Tom Holland?

  Was an Olympic cyclist and was known as the Midlands Rocket. So another Midlands athlete.

• 24:24Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, I think this is about the 40th time we've had him on the podcast, but it's lovely to have him back.

• 24:29Tom Holland?

  Well, we've got Steve Bull, my great uncle, and, and Richard Manx. And so Richard Manx enters the history books of pedestrianism in 1851. This is his Annus Meribilis. So in June that year, he goes to a cricket club in Sheffield. And I will quote Derek Martin, who's written a great book on this, A Short History of the Barclay Match. So the Barclay Match is, you know, the thing that he established. And again, apologies, there's quite a lot of maths here. So this is what he does in Sheffield. He'd walk a thousand quarter miles in a thousand consecutive quarter hours, i.e. 250 miles in 10 days and 10 hours.

• 25:07Tom Holland?

  Then immediately a thousand half miles in a thousand consecutive half hours, i.e. 500 miles in 20 days and 20 hours. Dominic's face, followed immediately by a conventional Barclay match, i.e. that is the thousand miles in a thousand consecutive hours. And this would amount in all to the monumental total of 1,750 miles in 72 days and 22 hours. And as if this were not enough, he would begin walking his quarter miles at the beginning of each quarter hour, the half miles on the half hour and the miles on the hour. So in other words, he is going beyond what Barclay had done. He's not giving himself time. To have lengthy sleeps or anything. When he's doing the quarter miles, I mean, you know, he's having to snack five minute, 10 minute snatches of sleep. So really tough.

• 25:52Dominic Sandbrook?

  I have to say, the reporting of this reminds me of baseball or indeed cricket, Tom, as in, it's obsessed with stats and it sucks all the joy out of this swashbuckling sport.

• 26:01Tom Holland?

  Well, obviously, opinions on that will differ. But this is, this is why he's building up to the ultimate challenge, which is what he does at the Oval. He has to walk 1,000 miles in 1,000 half hours, i.e. he has to walk 1,000 miles in 500 hours.

• 26:13Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 26:13Tom Holland?

  So that's unbelievably demanding.

• 26:16Dominic Sandbrook?

  A thousand miles in 500 hours. I mean, actually, when you think about it, walking 1,000 miles is bonkers. I mean, any time.

• 26:22Tom Holland?

  But to do it in 500 hours.

• 26:24Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah. And this is a massive sporting deal, right? This is a massive public occasion. People in London are obsessed with this, are genuinely obsessed with it.

• 26:32Tom Holland?

  I think it is seen as being the Everest of pedestrianism. Once it's been scaled, no one will ever be able to kind of rival it.

• 26:40Dominic Sandbrook?

  And people must have been really looking forward to it, like, will Messi ever win the World Cup? It's that kind of thing, right? Will Manks pull off this amazing feat?

• 26:47Tom Holland?

  Yes, the sense of occasion is absolutely massive. And as with any kind of great sporting event, the details are kind of lovingly preserved and cherished and become part of sporting folklore. So things like, you know, what is he eating while he's doing this? So the London Illustrated News reports, he ate around 10 times each day, a diet of game and poultry, roast beef, mutton and chops washed down with strong beef tea. Old ale was his favorite restorative, while through the night he drank tea fortified with brandy. Then there are kind of occasional moments where he seems to, to wobble, perhaps on the verge of giving up.

• 27:25Dominic Sandbrook?

  Oh, no.

• 27:25Tom Holland?

  So the 28th of October, it rains all day and it's reported that this gets him down. The following day, somebody goes to wake him up after he's snatched, you know, five minutes sleep and he wakes up and punches the guy in the face. He's so angry and upset. And then on the final day of the walk, it's reported at half past two o'clock on Friday morning, so dead of night, he refused to rise, cried like a child and said to the timekeeper, I shall walk no more, asking, do you want to kill me? But at length, he was induced to persevere unto the finish.

• 27:57Dominic Sandbrook?

  That's mad that on the last day, he thought of dropping out.

• 28:01Tom Holland?

  He's obviously a broken man by that point. I mean, that's it. That's why it's such a great sport, Dominic. You know, will he do it? Will he manage it? Will he get up? Will he punch someone in the face?

• 28:12Dominic Sandbrook?

  He's been doing it for 999 miles and then on the thousand, he says, actually, I've had enough. I wish I'd never started.

• 28:23Tom Holland?

  But that's, that's precisely the tension. And you know, the maddest thing of all,

• 28:27Dominic Sandbrook?

  go on.

• 28:28Tom Holland?

  And this is noted by Dominic Upton. Manx completes his 1000th mile. You know, it's been measured out around the outfield of the Oval. And then it gets properly measured. And they discovered that he'd actually walked 12 miles further than he'd needed to.

• 28:40Dominic Sandbrook?

  Oh, my word. Imagine. You'd be gutted, wouldn't you? I mean, thank God it wasn't 12 miles less.

• 28:45Tom Holland?

  Yeah, that would have been terrible.

• 28:46Dominic Sandbrook?

  That would have been terrible.

• 28:47Tom Holland?

  So huge success for Richard Manx. But it's also a great success for the ground that staged at the Oval.

• 28:52Dominic Sandbrook?

  Okay.

• 28:53Tom Holland?

  Because it's generated massive media and public interest. It's generated massive crowds. And above all, and the most important thing from the perspective of the consortium that owns the ground, it's generated massive amounts of cash.

• 29:10Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 29:10Tom Holland?

  And his feat of pedestrianism is drawing on traditions of spectacle and gambling that reach back hundreds of years on Kensington Common. But of course, as we've said, it's also looking forward to, you know, this new era of stats and professionalism and the monetization of what is increasingly coming to be thought of as organized sport. And Dominic, you've heard me say it before, you're about to hear me say it again. I think there is no stadium in the world that better illustrates how we went from kind of pre-modern entertainments to modern sport than the Oval. And that's why in the second half, I hope you will allow me to stress test that proposition.

• 29:55Dominic Sandbrook?

  Okay, so join us after the break when Tom considers one of the most intriguing questions in all history.

• 30:01Tom Holland?

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• 30:08Dominic Sandbrook?

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• 30:22Tom Holland?

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• 30:42Dominic Sandbrook?

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• 32:31Tom Holland?

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• 32:40Dominic Sandbrook?

  In affectionate remembrance of English cricket, which died at the Oval on the 29th of August, 1882, deeply lamented by a large circle of sorrowing friends and acquaintances, R.I.P. NB, the body will be cremated and the ashes taken to Australia. So Tom, that's the most famous obituary in sporting history and it was published in The Sporting Times on the 2nd of September, 1882. And I know you're a big cricket fan, there are none bigger. So would you like to explain to our more sceptical listeners, especially our American listeners, what on earth is going on?

• 33:23Tom Holland?

  So it commemorates a humiliating defeat of the England National Cricket Team by the Australian National Cricket Team four days earlier at the Oval. And it's that phrase, "The ashes will be taken to Australia", that will have an enduring afterlife because the following winter, the England National Cricket Team go to Australia and the captain vows before he leaves England that he's going to recover those ashes. And the notion that England and Australia, whenever they play each other at cricket, are competing for the ashes very rapidly catches on. And today, the ashes remain probably the most celebrated, the most enduring international rivalry in cricket, if actually not all sports.

• 34:07Tom Holland?

  So the ashes will be competed for later this year in Australia. And it all begins at the Oval, which is hardly surprising because, of course, the Oval was founded as a cricket ground and it remains one to this day. But your skepticism would be justified if I was merely talking about cricket, but I'm not, because the impact the Oval has on the evolution of professional sport is not confined to cricket. So we've seen the role that it played in pedestrianism, in the career of Richard Manx, the Warwickshire antelope. But of course, pedestrianism fades away, perhaps because once Richard Manx has completed that feat, there's nowhere for the sport to go. But the Oval provides a stage not just for cricket, but also for two sports that in

• 34:49Tom Holland?

  the second half of the 19th century are exploding in popularity and are destined to have a much brighter future than pedestrianism. And Dominic, the first of these is a sport that you are particularly fond of.

• 35:02Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yes, football, association football. So obviously, people have been playing football, various kinds of football for a long time, but there's a great vogue, isn't there, in the middle of the 19th century for codifying games. And this is really born out of another subject we've done on the rest of history, which is public schools, boarding schools. So in 1863, a group of, I think they're largely ex-public schoolboys, had gathered to codify the rules of association football, as it was called. So that's why Americans call it soccer. Basically, so that people who'd been to different schools and had learned slightly different rules of the game could have a nationally standardized version of the game. And then, of course, it really takes off. And then the other game, rugby union, so famously emerges at rugby school, hence the name.

• 35:45Dominic Sandbrook?

  And the thing there was that the boys who played football there since the 1830s have been picking up the ball, which is obviously in association football, you're not allowed to do unless you're the goalkeeper. And the backstory here is that picking up the ball had been outlawed in those Football Association rules. So some of the clubs had broken away. And the schism between the two codes, association football and rugby football, was formalized in 1871 by the foundation of the RFU, the Rugby Football Union. So basically, now you have what was originally one sport. Turning into two, and of course rugby will then divide even further. And so for the Ovals point of view, I guess, this is wonderful because they have codified sports that actually

• 36:26Dominic Sandbrook?

  not just rich and well-connected boarding school boys, but also vast crowds of working men are very enthusiastic about, which means a lot of opportunities for charging ticket prices.

• 36:39Tom Holland?

  Yes, and for staging not just kind of local sporting events, but international ones. And the mad thing is that England against Australia at cricket is not the first international sports fixture to be staged at the Oval. Because in fact, by 1880, which is when the first cricket international test matches, as they're called, to be played in England is staged at the Oval. The ground has already hosted internationals in both football and rugby. It has also hosted athletics meetings. And even in 1889, it goes on to host a baseball match between the Chicago White Stockings and an all-American team. And this is big, big news in London. Loads of celebrities come to watch it. The Prince of Wales turns

• 37:21Tom Holland?

  up. W G Grace, who's this huge kind of barrel-chested, heersuit cricketer, one of the most famous men in late Victorian England, they all go. But inevitably, this being England, it gets rained off.

• 37:35Dominic Sandbrook?

  Of course it does.

• 37:35Tom Holland?

  And sadly, baseball doesn't really take off as a result. So of course, the Oval is a cricket ground, but it's absolutely not just a cricket ground. And, you know, in the mid 19th century, this lack of specialisation is reflecting kind of two influences. And one is its roots in the pre-industrial culture of Kennington Common, which plays host to every kind of conceivable sport. But it's also a reflection of the fact that its owners want to make as much money as possible. And that, of course, is looking forward to today's culture of hyper-professional sport.

• 38:09Dominic Sandbrook?

  So let's start by looking backwards. So you said the pre-industrial culture of Kennington Common. So Kennington, Kinnington, the king's estate, basically, the king's farm or whatever. So it had belonged to the Crown. We know that Edward III gave it to, friend of the rest of history, the Black Prince in the 14th century. And from that point onwards, it had traditionally belonged to the heir to the throne, the Prince of Wales.

• 38:33Tom Holland?

  Yes. So it has a kind of very strong royal connection. But it's also set amid the people's open space. So it's a common, an area where tenants of kind of various manners, including the Prince of Wales is at Kennington, have a right to pasture their animals. And anyone familiar with London, particularly South London, will know that it's covered with commons. So Clapham Common, Stretton Common, Wimbledon Common, so on. But the thing about Kennington is that of all the commons, it's the closest to the City of London and to Westminster. And over the course of the 17th and then into the 18th century, the City of London and Westminster are kind of congealing and

• 39:13Tom Holland?

  cojoining to become one vast urban sprawl. And as a result of that, by the 18th century, Kennington Common is becoming the place where people from Westminster and the city are going to play sport. So you have the earliest recorded cricket match there is 1724, and it's London against Dartford, of course, the home of Mick Jagger, great cricket fan. So that's good to know. But it's also the home throughout the 18th century of a very famous sports club called the Gymnastics Society, which despite its name, actually it organises wrestling, but is best known as a football club. And in fact, is often described by football historians as the first football club to be organised as such on a kind of coherent basis.

• 39:56Dominic Sandbrook?

  And there's another sport, isn't there, that's played there, which is the the regular encounters between criminals and the hangman.

• 40:01Tom Holland?

  Yes.

• 40:02Dominic Sandbrook?

  Isn't that right?

• 40:03Tom Holland?

  Yeah. And this is kind of viewed as, I mean, it's not exactly a sport, but it's certainly an entertainment similar to sport.

• 40:10Dominic Sandbrook?

  But if you think about a spectrum, Tom, of public spectacles, and cricket is at one end, and, you know, bull baiting or cockfighting is at the other, public executions do kind of sit on that spectrum a bit because they're big spectacles and there's lots of hawkers and people selling pies and kids go and all of this. So it is part of that world.

• 40:30Tom Holland?

  Yes. And it means that the place where the the gallows is situated is very strongly associated with public assemblies and and people having fun. And the gallows stands on what today is St Mark's Church, directly outside what is now the Oval Tube Station on one side, and on the other side, goal hanger towers.

• 40:49Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, the offices of our production company.

• 40:50Tom Holland?

  Our production company, they would have been able to look out of the window and watch people being hanged.

• 40:55Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 40:56Tom Holland?

  So it would have been great fun.

• 40:58Dominic Sandbrook?

  Whereas now Theo can watch us executing history on Zoom or whatever.

• 41:02Tom Holland?

  Very good. So it's basically the South London equivalent of Tyburn Hill, what's now Marble Arch. And the most celebrated highwaymen to be hanged there do have something of the status of great sporting heroes. You know, there are people who display great charisma, great self-confidence, great self-control. And the most famous of all is a guy called Gerry Abashor, who was a very notorious highwayman, absolute lad, who is hanged there in 1795. And so someone records his progress to the gallows, a bit like they're describing, I don't know, batsmen going to the wicket or something. He kept up an incessant conversation with the persons who rode beside the car, frequently

• 41:44Tom Holland?

  laughing and nodding to others of his acquaintances, whom he perceived in the crowd, which was immense. So you can imagine him kind of pointing to them and giving a thumbs up. Woo, yeah. And then after his death, he's hung in chains on a gibbet on Wimbledon Common. So he's the last highwayman to suffer this fate. And it's meant to be a humiliation, but in a sense, it's a marker of his fame. You know, this is someone who people want to go and see even once he's dead. But sadly for fans of public hangings, the age of executions as entertainment is starting to pass. And the last execution on Kennington Common takes place in 1799. And this is partly for kind of squeamish, hand-wringing, woke reasons. Right.

• 42:26Tom Holland?

  But it's also because Kennington Common is increasingly vanishing beneath brick. And so people start to worry that not only hangings, but also opportunities to do wrestling and football and cricket and so on, will vanish completely from this great public area of congregation for people from London. And this is why local businessmen spot an opportunity. So in March 1845, a consortium headed by a chemist from Brixton Hill, I'm proud to say, where I live, and this is a guy called William Houghton, they buy the lease for a new cricket ground on Kennington Common. And they call it the Oval because there is a river called the Ephra, which is now completely culverted and covered up, but it curves.

• 43:09Tom Holland?

  And so the Oval is situated in that curve and it forms an oval. It's not a great area, very, very smelly. So there's a report that it's in a most ruinous condition and from the effluvium arising from decayed vegetables, a nuisance and a source of ill health. So they have to bring in 10,000 lumps of turf from Tooton Common, kind of cover up this rotting vegetation. And the other problem with the Oval is that Houghton, this chemist from Brixton Hill, turns out to be involved in all kinds of dodgy real estate deals.

• 43:40Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 43:40Tom Holland?

  And this is the guy who books the pedestrianism event, Max's Great Feet, makes lots of money, but not enough. And by 1854, he's in such financial problems that he essentially has to hand the consortium over to his brother. And the following year, he declares bankruptcy. And the risk is that his financial misadventures will drag down the Oval. It will have to be sold off to developers and there will be nowhere for people, you know, in Kennington to have sport at all.

• 44:07Dominic Sandbrook?

  And that's a very familiar story to anybody who follows sport today, you know, I mean, to our American listeners, you know, the way that NFL franchises move from city to city and there's always arguments about the stadiums and whatnot. So what happens? So it doesn't get sold off. Local enthusiasts, again, a very familiar story, you know, effectively local fans step in to save the ground.

• 44:28Tom Holland?

  Yeah, so these are members of what's called the Surrey Club, and these are basically the people who organise cricket clubs across the County of Surrey, which Kennington is a part of. And in 1845, so that's the same year that Houghton had had to set up the Oval, a hundred of these members from these various cricket clubs meet in a pub around the corner from the Oval. And the Sunday Times reports what happened, that it was proposed to form a cricket club for the County of Surrey, the objects of which would mainly be to seek out and to bring together the playing strength of the county with a view of placing Surrey in the prominent position it had for many years in days long since passed, held in the cricket world. So this is a kind of classic Victorian manoeuvre.

• 45:11Tom Holland?

  You've got sports enthusiasts meeting in pubs, founding clubs, drawing up rules, and as with the guys who meet to draw up the FA.

• 45:19Dominic Sandbrook?

  Football Association, yeah.

• 45:21Tom Holland?

  Yeah. So with these guys meeting in the pub round from the Oval, it's not just that they set up a cricket club for Surrey. In the long run, Surrey will become part of a broader championship, a county championship. So counties playing cricket across England, which is still going strong to this day. So this is the kind of the popular end of sport, the sense of of local fans, local organisers, people who have a commitment to their local club. But.

• 45:51Tom Holland?

  There is also something that will also be very familiar to people who follow sport today, which is the engagement of those who are very, very well-connected, very rich, and in lots of cases, thinking of certain football clubs today, actually royal. So in the case of the Oval back in the mid-Victorian period, I mean, it couldn't be more Victorian, because the person who also steps in to save the Oval is none other than the husband of Queen Victoria, Prince Albert, and he is acting on behalf of the young Prince of Wales, so the future Edward VII, who is the landlord of the Oval ultimately. And Prince Albert refuses to allow the Oval to be sold to developers, and he gives his backing to the Surrey Committee, and it's this that enables them in 1845, when it looks

• 46:36Tom Holland?

  as though the Oval will have to be sold, to step in and take over control of the ground.

• 46:41Dominic Sandbrook?

  And is this because the future Edward VII is a big cricket fan? I mean, Prince Albert presumably doesn't give a damn about cricket.

• 46:47Tom Holland?

  No, he doesn't particularly, and nor does Prince Albert, but I think they see it as Prince Albert's a great enthusiast for manliness and outdoor activities and all that kind of thing, and he thinks that it would be good for the working masses to have this ground.

• 47:00Dominic Sandbrook?

  Fresh air.

• 47:00Tom Holland?

  Yeah.

• 47:01Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 47:01Tom Holland?

  And to this day, the Prince of Wales is the Oval's landlord, so Prince William is the landlord of the Oval, even though obviously he'd rather, I think, be the landlord of Villa Park than the Oval.

• 47:13Dominic Sandbrook?

  He knows a lot about football, actually. There was an interview with him, Tom, dare I say, I think he knows a tiny bit more than you do.

• 47:18Tom Holland?

  Well, he hangs out on Aston Villa kind of Reddit groups and fan forums and so on.

• 47:23Dominic Sandbrook?

  Does he?

• 47:24Tom Holland?

  Yeah, he does. He's very, very knowledgeable.

• 47:26Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 47:26Tom Holland?

  I think less interested in cricket, although the badge of Surrey is the three feathers that is the badge of the Prince of Wales, which ultimately comes from the Black Prince and his great feat at the Battle of Cressy.

• 47:38Dominic Sandbrook?

  So the saving of the Oval, and indeed the creation of the Oval at all. You could see sort of stepping back, it's part of a wider process, isn't it? Not just in sport, actually, between Victorian social and leisure life generally, which is all about codifying, structuring, professionalising, kind of taming the disruptive energies of things and sort of streamlining them and sorting them all out. And once you've got grounds and you've got clubs, I mean, the Victorians love a club, but once they've got clubs, they then love a league, don't they, or a cup competition? We're very familiar with that now and we take it for granted, but they basically invent that model.

• 48:13Tom Holland?

  Yes, because once you have leagues and cups, it's not just a matter of arranging one-off matches or sporting events.

• 48:20Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 48:20Tom Holland?

  You can have kind of continuous income flow because you have match after match after match and it's all kind of predicated.

• 48:26Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 48:27Tom Holland?

  And this today is the infrastructure that professional sport completely depends upon. And as you say, we take it for granted. But to Victorian sports entrepreneurs in the second half of the 19th century, I mean, it's like stumbling on a goldmine. No one had ever thought of doing this before.

• 48:41Dominic Sandbrook?

  No.

• 48:42Tom Holland?

  And suddenly they're thinking, brilliant, we could just make so much money here.

• 48:46Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 48:47Tom Holland?

  And so I think it's not surprising that the administrators at the Oval, which effectively is the first great sports ground to have transformed itself into a business, so much more overtly, say, than Lord's, which is the posh people's ground. It's not surprising that they blaze the path. And there is one person in particular who does this with a kind of exhausting display of energy and enthusiasm. It seems almost kind of stereotypically Victorian.

• 49:16Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 49:16Tom Holland?

  And this is a guy called Charles W. Alcock. He couldn't be more Victorian. He has a moustache, he has a cravat, he's got, you know, kind of great shoulders honed by sport at public school. And it's basically just exhausting to contemplate his career, I think.

• 49:32Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, it's incredible.

• 49:33Tom Holland?

  He is the classic example of an industrialist son who goes to a private school and ends up in a completely different sphere from, you know, his horny-handed father. So he's born in Sunderland, like that other great football enthusiast, Jonathan Wilson, friend of the show.

• 49:48Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 49:48Tom Holland?

  And he goes to Harrow and at Harrow, he plays football and cricket and he absolutely loves it. And his basic feeling is when he leaves his public school, why should he have to give up sport? He wants to carry on with it. So he makes a living as a sports journalist, covering football, covering cricket, covering athletics. But it turns out his real genius is for sports administration. So in 1870, he becomes not just the secretary, but the treasurer of the FA, the Football Association. And then two years later, he becomes secretary of Surrey County Cricket Club, which is based at the Oval.

• 50:24Dominic Sandbrook?

  So he doesn't just like sport, he loves committee meetings.

• 50:26Tom Holland?

  He does, he does. And he loves to organise fixtures and then to play in them.

• 50:31Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 50:32Tom Holland?

  So he has the best of both worlds. And the thing is, you'd approve of this, Dominic, his, his real game, even though he's kind of based at the Oval, isn't cricket, but football. And he's a very famous figure in the history of football.

• 50:44Dominic Sandbrook?

  Enormously famous. When you read the early history of football, he's everywhere, he's kind of in every page.

• 50:49Tom Holland?

  Yes. So in 1863, he founds a, a side that to begin with is full of old Horavians, so all, all Cox chums from his public school called The Wanderers. And they play what is called the combination game in which you actually pass the ball rather than just dribbling it.

• 51:07Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 51:07Tom Holland?

  You know, and this again is looking forward to the future. And in 1869, Allcock sets them up at the Oval. So the Oval becomes their, their home. So you play cricket through the summer and then you play football through the winter. And in 1872, he institutes a cup competition for the Football Association, the FA Cup. And inevitably, he arranges for the final to be held at the Oval. And also inevitably, he captains the team and the Wanderers win.

• 51:41Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, of course they do.

• 51:42Tom Holland?

  So they win 1-0 and Allcock had actually scored a goal, but it gets disqualified because there'd been a handball.

• 51:49Dominic Sandbrook?

  Oh, no.

• 51:49Tom Holland?

  So kind of prototype for VAR, I guess, kicking in and spoiling things.

• 51:53Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 51:54Tom Holland?

  And the Wanderers go on to win the FA Cup in 1873 as well. And then again, they win in consecutive years in 1876, 1877 and 78. And all three of those consecutive victories are won at the Oval. And in fact, the Oval stages nineteen FA Cup finals in all, and interest to both of us. So this includes the first victory won by Aston Villa in the FA Cup in eighteen eighty seven. And then two years later, in eighteen eighty nine, Dominic, Wolves' first appearance in an FA Cup final.

• 52:22Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, first appearance, but we didn't win. We lost three nil to Preston. Very disappointing.

• 52:27Tom Holland?

  Very sad.

• 52:27Dominic Sandbrook?

  But also international sports, right? You know, we're so used to the idea of international sport now. But you could argue it was invented by this bloke, Allcock.

• 52:35Tom Holland?

  Yes. So in eighteen seventy nine, you know, he's he's set up the FA Cup and then he thinks, well, why don't we get England to play Scotland? And the match is held, of course, at the Oval. And of course, Allcock captains England and the result is a one all draw.

• 52:50Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 52:51Tom Holland?

  Sadly, this match isn't recognised by FIFA because the Scottish team is drawn from Scotsmen living in London.

• 52:59Dominic Sandbrook?

  Oh.

• 52:59Tom Holland?

  And this includes Gladstone, the Prime Minister's son.

• 53:02Dominic Sandbrook?

  Really?

• 53:03Tom Holland?

  But they don't have people actually from Scotland because it seemed as being too far for them to come all the way down.

• 53:07Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 53:08Tom Holland?

  So that's why it's not recognised. So that's a great shame.

• 53:11Dominic Sandbrook?

  There's one other sport we talked about earlier, which was rugby. He also organises the first Rugby International as well at the Oval, England, Scotland again, eighteen seventy two.

• 53:21Tom Holland?

  Yeah, I mean, it's just astonishing. And then, of course, there is cricket. And inevitably, again, it's Allcock who's the presiding genius behind setting up international test matches between England and Australia. And this is the the series of matches that in due course will give birth to the ashes. So Allcock, he's clearly of international standard at football, less so at cricket. He does play county cricket, but doesn't play for England. But he makes up for this by being the first person in England to recognise how much money there might be in international cricket. So international cricket has been played in in Australia. England has played Australia there. But people in England think, oh, we're above this. I mean, it's a kind of vulgar.

• 54:06Tom Holland?

  It's a showy spectacle. We're not going to bother with it. But Allcock recognizes that if it can make money in Australia, then why not in England? So in 1880, he manages to stage the first Test match to be played in England at the Oval, and it's a tremendous success. So W G Grace, this great bearded kind of sports star, he scores a century, England win, and the match is a complete sellout. So ka-ching. And then in 1882, the Australians come back, and this is the notorious England defeat, or glorious if you're an Australian listener, that inspires the obituary in Sporting Times. And again, it's a tremendous sporting occasion. And the hero this time is an Australian called Fred

• 54:46Tom Holland?

  Spoffath, who has an absolutely magnificent Australian fast bowler's moustache kind of drooping down past his chin.

• 54:54Dominic Sandbrook?

  Excellent, yeah.

• 54:55Tom Holland?

  And he's called the demon. So from that point on, all fast bowlers are called demons. He takes 14 wickets, which for people who don't know about cricket is very, very good because the maximum you can take is 20. England lose very, very narrowly. And again, a bit like with with Max's feat of pedestrianism, the ground is absolutely full, streets outside are heaving, people sit there chewing their way through umbrella handles. It's so tense. People have heart attacks, all that kind of thing. And it's an enormous success. And I think that a match like that, matches like, you know, the FA Cups, the first Rugby International, they kind of establish a romance around these sporting events that endures to

• 55:36Tom Holland?

  this day. And that's why, you know, whether it's the Ashes or whatever, it's one of the great achievements of the Victorian era, that they establish templates that people still are inspired by to this day.

• 55:50Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, absolutely. What happened to pedestrianism? That's the real question.

• 55:55Tom Holland?

  Well, what's interesting is that it fades out in Britain, but it becomes very popular in the second half of the 19th century in America.

• 56:01Dominic Sandbrook?

  Really?

• 56:01Tom Holland?

  Yeah, I guess because there it's something novel. So right the way through the 19th century, New York becomes the new great centre for pedestrianism. And then at the end of the 19th century, it fades away too. But I think if there's anyone, you know, any sports administrators or involved in sports media listening to this, a revival of pedestrianism is long overdue.

• 56:21Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right. The irony that today there are great swathes of the United States where if you walk down the street, you know, the police will pull over.

• 56:27Tom Holland?

  Come and arrest you.

• 56:28Dominic Sandbrook?

  Arrest you for not driving.

• 56:31Dominic Sandbrook?

  Why don't you rediscover your love of pedestrianism, American listeners? Sort yourselves out. So, Tom, this is not the only sporting podcast of the week, is it? Because we'll be delving back into sporting history on Thursday. Do you want to tell people all about that?

• 56:45Tom Holland?

  Yeah, so in that show, we will be looking not at a team sport, but at boxing. And we'll be looking specifically at one of the most celebrated, extraordinary and influential sporting contests of all time. And it's a boxing match that is held in a field in rural Hampshire in 1860 between the rival champions of England and America.

• 57:09Dominic Sandbrook?

  Well, Tom, that was a pedestrian, that was a positively pedestrian episode. Yeah, pedestrian performance worthy of Richard Manx himself. Thank you very much. And on that, Bombshell, we will see you for the fight of the century next time. Bye bye.

• 57:23Tom Holland?

  Bye bye.

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