Pod Insights The Rest Is Football Mentality monster Bellingham sees England top the group About this episode Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer, and Micah Richards are joined by five-time Ryder cup winner Ian Poulter and our England reporter Rob Jones to reflect on England's 2-0 win over Panama that saw them top the group thanks to another big performance from Jude Bellingham
We also get the thoughts of Harry Maguire after his former teammate Harry Kane broke Gary's record and became England's all-time top scorer at the World Cup
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3:21 Speaker 00 Hello and welcome to The Rest Is Football with me, Gary Lineker, and we've got Alan and Micah, we've got Ian Poulter, we've got Harry Maguire and Rob Jones. Because there's much to discuss, but because England are through to the round of 32 where they'll meet DR Congo, we'll discuss England's performance and much more. And remember, if you want to watch the show, it's available on Netflix every day.
3:51 Speaker 00 Ian, a very warm welcome.
3:53 Speaker 03 Thanks for having us.
3:54 Speaker 00 I think the England shirt suits you.
3:55 Speaker 03 It's lovely. What is this, 82 is it?
3:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think so.
3:58 Speaker 03 Is it an old one?
3:59 Speaker 00 82, that's when you were in your prime.
4:01 Speaker 03 Slightly before my time.
4:03 Speaker 00 Well, you are a senior now, aren't you?
4:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, I am, unfortunately.
4:06 Speaker 00 US Senior Open next week?
4:09 Speaker 03 Yes, US Senior Open next week, my first Zimmer frame's coming out.
4:13 Speaker 00 You used to play a bit of football when you were young. Did you have a trial with Tottenham?
4:17 Speaker 03 I did.
4:17 Speaker 00 Is that true?
4:18 Speaker 03 Only one though. They said I was shit, so it's okay, I'm an Arsenal fan.
4:24 Speaker 02 What position?
4:25 Speaker 00 Look at that, look at you there.
4:27 Speaker 03 Centre-half.
4:28 Speaker 00 God, look at the shim pads. Wow, they're amazing.
4:31 Speaker 03 Unbelievable.
4:32 Speaker 00 Yeah. So, good year for Arsenal. You must have enjoyed this season.
4:36 Speaker 03 I did, yeah, it was amazing, absolutely amazing. I mean, the run they've been on over the last few years and I was nervous the last five or six games.
4:44 Speaker 00 I think all Arsenal fans were.
4:46 Speaker 03 Very nervous, but you know, to see him get over the line was, I mean, it was amazing.
4:50 Speaker 00 Yeah.
4:52 Speaker 03 If they'd have done the double, if, that would have been, I mean, icing on the cake. But I mean, it was, it was pretty amazing. I was happy for the lads and, you know, really to see them, you know, Declan and the boys get.
5:05 Speaker 00 You were at the England game today. It was, it was a wet one. You had the poncho on, didn't you?
5:10 Speaker 03 It was nice, yeah.
5:11 Speaker 00 I have a picture of that as well. There you go. Look at that.
5:13 Speaker 03 It was cute. I did have a hairdo about 20 minutes before that. It just went all floppy. But it was good. First, first World Cup game was this week. I went to the Ghana game and then.
5:24 Speaker 00 You went to the Ghana game as well?
5:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:26 Speaker 00 Took the family, which was pretty. After about an hour of this one, you thought, are you ever going to see a goal?
5:29 Speaker 03 I was like, oh no, I can't wait 50 years to do the World Cup and I can't see two, two draws in a row.
5:36 Speaker 00 Alan, you, you were at the game as well. You were doing the radio co-com.
5:39 Speaker 04 Radio co-com.
5:40 Speaker 00 Good atmosphere.
5:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, it was a really good atmosphere, yeah. I think the big picture is they won the game, they won the group. That's what they set out to do. We can pick the, the bones out of what we felt was good and what we felt was not so good.
5:56 Speaker 00 We'll do that shortly.
5:58 Speaker 04 Three outstanding performances. Elliot Anderson, Jude Bellingham being man of the match, absolutely with his goal and the assist. And Harry Kane as well, I thought were very good.
6:07 Speaker 00 I might add Marcus Rashford. We'll, we'll talk about that in a little while. You were here, Rob.
6:12 Speaker 05 Emotional support for you, yeah.
6:13 Speaker 00 I know, it's nice.
6:14 Speaker 05 Shoulder to cry on.
6:16 Speaker 00 Yeah.
6:17 Speaker 04 Did you see the picture of him? I saw it when I came back from the game. I got it. It was on my social media. When he jumped up as if, when Harry scored as if to be all happy for him. You were fucking devastated.
6:29 Speaker 00 I'm genuinely, genuinely.
6:31 Speaker 04 Mike has got his wish.
6:32 Speaker 00 I'm not devastated at all. I had the record for 40 years. I was getting bored of it. Anyway. Lots to talk about from today's England game. But first, let's hear what our friend Harry Maguire made of it. I caught up with him at full time.
6:52 Speaker 00 Harry, nice to see you again. Tell us where you are.
6:55 Speaker 06 Yeah, I'm in Portugal, just in a villa, just chilling out a little bit, doing a bit of training, a bit of golf. Missing you guys in New York, but I had to get away and get myself training again.
7:07 Speaker 00 Yeah, you've got to get fit for a new season. What did you make of the performance, Harry?
7:13 Speaker 06 Listen, I think these games are tough. I really do think they're tough. I mean, I think the most important game in the group was the first game against Croatia. And they'll take the positives from that, knowing that they probably beat the second strongest team in the group convincingly well. So, these games are tough and they are the moments that decide these games. And set plays are massive. I've played in many of these games and when you're on top, it's crazy how many times a set play opens the game up for you. And we have players who can score from them and I think Jude was the best player on the pitch tonight. And again, once again, he's proved everyone that he should be starting for England and he's going to be a big player in this tournament for us.
7:56 Speaker 00 Yeah, I absolutely agree with you on that, Harry. He's a mentality monster, isn't he? He's a moments player as well and what is it about him? You know him, obviously, you've been with him in England squads. What is it that drives him? I mean, he's one of the best players in the world in his position, without doubt.
8:15 Speaker 06 Yeah, it's crazy to think of his age. I think he's been in four major tournaments now. It's incredible at his age. He's going to have a super long career and many, many caps for his country and hopefully be really successful. But he's a massive player. He's a massive player for his club, but he's a huge player for the country. And when you need a player to step up in the big moments, in the big pressure, when all the country needs you and everyone's feeling the weight on the shoulders, he's the man to do it on many occasions. And if we're going to be successful this tournament, there's no doubt about it, he needs to be on his top game. Because him and Harry up top here, I think those two are the ones that we're going to be relying on to try and take us to victory.
8:58 Speaker 00 I've found it odd over the last year or two that... We almost turned on him in some parts of the media and there were all these rumours that he's too big for his boots, maybe it's an English thing that we don't like people that are overly confident, but to win a tournament, you need your big players to be able to handle the pressure and it's not an arrogance, it's a confidence, isn't it?
9:21 Speaker 06 Yeah, definitely. I think he's so confident in himself, in his ability. He's not arrogant at all, he's a confident lad, he always has been since he was 18 years old coming up and playing with us at England. You could see when he takes the ball on the pitch, he's so mature, he's a leader. But I think the most important thing is, like you say, when the moments come and the big moments happen, you've seen tonight, it was tight, it was edgy, we fell into second in the group at one stage of the game and that moment come and he created it and then he created the goal for Harry as well. So he's been the difference tonight and like I said in these knockout games now, they're going to be tight,
10:03 Speaker 06 they're going to be like that for the first 60 minutes and a moment's going to change the game and change the tide of the game and Jude's more than capable of doing that.
10:10 Speaker 00 I thought another good performance personally was that of Marcus Rashford. He's a bit unfortunate not to get a goal in the end, but he looked a constant threat, he looked sharp, he looks fit. I love the way he was, even in the first half when people were a little bit dissatisfied and I think he does that little ball that they do at Barcelona where he cuts in and just bends that one with his right foot that caused a few problems with him. He looks sharp.
10:36 Speaker 06 Yeah, definitely. I think, listen, he was so direct and positive with everything that he did, so I think we spoke about in the Ghana game that was a little bit slow and we probably had too much patience in the game and I think Rashford straight away took the game straight to Panama and I think first 5-10 minutes he must have put 4-5 crosses in the box and he wasn't as accurate as he normally is and then he finds that one where H probably was unfortunate not to score and I think the ball just went over the bar. So it was a constant threat all the way through the game and when he's in that mood, I think us England fans, we know how good he can be and I've had the pleasure of playing with him at Manchester United for many years. So when he's in that frame and he's in that direct mode, he's unstoppable on his day.
11:22 Speaker 00 We talked about obviously Marcus Rashford before for England but what about the fact that it's not clear where he's going to be next season, there's still a possibility I guess that he could go back to Manchester United, would you welcome him with open arms?
11:36 Speaker 06 Yeah, of course, I have an amazing relationship with Marcus, I've had some great times with him over the years and I know what a wonderful player he can be, I'm sure it's up to the club and up to Marcus and finding a mutual agreement but of course if Marcus does come back, we want him to come back and play happy and play confident so it needs to be right for himself, it needs to be right for the club but everyone knows what a great player Marcus could be for whatever club he plays for next season.
12:05 Speaker 00 Yeah, I suppose in this game, England went with two tens really, with Bellingham and Rodgers, in future games they might do that, made him a little bit vulnerable to the counter-attack Harry, I'm wondering what that's like as central defenders when you know you're playing against a team that are probably slightly inferior but they're dangerous on the counter-attack and it makes you a little bit vulnerable as central defenders, is that something that you really need to talk to the players in front of you?
12:37 Speaker 06 Yeah, definitely you need to organise and make sure everyone's locked in and still focusing on the transition even though that we've been on the majority of the ball and we camped around their box for large parts of the game as we were tonight, I think it's something that you can do against a team like Panama who are playing that low block like Garner did but I'm pretty confident that the manager won't play two tens in a knockout game against a good team who is more threatening on the counter-attack and has a lot more quality.
13:07 Speaker 00 Yeah, so one or two changes to come, I think it's unlikely that Bellingham and Rodgers will feature both in the same team. Harry, thank you very much for joining us, enjoy your last week or two before you start properly training.
13:23 Speaker 06 Thank you very much.
13:24 Speaker 00 The dreaded pre-season.
13:26 Speaker 06 Oh no, I'm not looking forward to it.
13:29 Speaker 00 I never did, cheers Harry, thanks a lot.
13:31 Speaker 06 See you soon, bye bye, enjoy.
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15:40 Speaker 00 Let's talk about Jude Bellingham. I know you mentioned him at the top, Alan. I mean, he's a mentality monster and he's...
15:46 Speaker 04 Outstanding.
15:47 Speaker 00 I love watching him play.
15:49 Speaker 04 He's been England's best player, I think, in the three games. You know, there are moments in games where you're going to have sticky patches and things aren't going for you, and you look to your big hitters, you look to your big players to do something...
16:05 Speaker 04 Different, something brilliant, that's something that changes the course of the game. And he did that today, he did that with that first goal, because it wasn't a great ball in from the corner, but he made it a good ball, you know, and say what you want about the defending, which was poor, but the strength, the ability to have the balance and then to flick it in like he did, that's what changed the game today, because you could see England getting frustrated. The longer it went on, it was going to get more and more difficult. And you need your big hitters just to make that difference, and he's a big hitter, and he was brilliant.
16:40 Speaker 00 He's tenacious as well, isn't he? He's such, I mean, he's a born winner and a born leader.
16:45 Speaker 05 That was interesting, that when we did the chat with Morgan Rogers before the tournament, he said he is the most competitive person I've ever met. Harry Kane's quotes after the game today said, "He's had the bit between his teeth throughout the campaign since we met in Florida." I actually wonder whether that conversation about who is going to be the number 10 winds him up, and maybe even that Thomas Tuchel might have fuelled that a little bit to just push him on a bit more. And actually, it's maybe credit to Morgan Rogers that we even had that conversation, because this is a guy who plays for Real Madrid, who's an absolute superstar.
17:18 Speaker 00 How was the ever debate, really? I mean, I don't want to be rude to Morgan Rogers, I think he's a fabulous player, but you need your big players, it's a bit like the Ryder Cup, Ian. I mean, you're known as the postman because you always turn up and you always deliver. You need people with strong mentalities as much as ability, isn't it?
17:37 Speaker 03 You do, and I think as a player, you've got to come out with confidence, and that's, you know, certainly watching the last few games, that's what he has. And you have to help the rest of the team if the team don't have that type of confidence, so...
17:53 Speaker 00 Have you felt at times during a Ryder Cup, sorry, go back to golf, but times in tournaments, particularly the last day of the season, when you know something's happened, do you feel to yourself, "This is my moment, I've got to make this happen"?
18:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, definitely, I mean, definitely, it's part of the whole team dynamic, right? I just think, you know, some players are quite quiet, some are loud, some want to say they're going to go out and produce the goods, and some just go about doing their business.
18:22 Speaker 00 Don't think you were the quiet one, were you?
18:24 Speaker 03 No.
18:26 Speaker 03 And, you know, Jude's that guy. I mean, you have to, you know, if you can bring the team up with a bit of energy.
18:36 Speaker 00 Do you think you can train the mind to get in a zone, to get in a moment when the pressure is really high? 2012, six birdies in a row, I remember, that was incredible.
18:48 Speaker 03 Five.
18:48 Speaker 00 Was it five?
18:49 Speaker 03 Who's counting? Well Rory made one.
18:51 Speaker 00 You let me down.
18:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, you know, when you look through the whole team and you, for us as a Ryder Cup team, you know, that Ryder Cup, we've been hammered.
19:08 Speaker 00 Yeah.
19:08 Speaker 03 And it was miserable. And it was like, you know, how are we going to turn this around? And all of a sudden, when the tide starts to change and you get the momentum go back on your side, it's amazing how quickly that can flip.
19:21 Speaker 00 Micah's arrived.
19:22 Speaker 04 Has he?
19:22 Speaker 00 Yes, that means we've got to go over there to talk to him. Micah, we've been talking about Jude Bellingham. What did you make of him today?
19:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, when it comes to Jude, I think we had that conversation before the tournament starts. I'm a big fan of Morgan Rogers, absolutely outstanding player. But when you've got someone like Jude Bellingham, who, he just epitomises a big game player. You don't do what he does in the game, from when he's gone from Birmingham to go to Dortmund at such a young age, to go to Dortmund, to Real Madrid, to win the Champions League. And just, he lives for these occasions. And it was never really a debate for me, I thought, with Bellingham and Rogers that could potentially play together. But...
20:16 Speaker 05 People was actually saying that Jude Belling shouldn't start for England and I never really understood that because whether he's running back with the tenacity in midfield, whether he's creating, whether he's driving the team on or whether he's scoring important goals, I just thought if there was one player on the pitch today that epitomises England and what it should be was Jude Belling. I just thought it was sensational in a difficult fixture.
20:44 Speaker 00 Shall we talk about that geezer that scored another goal today that went past someone's record? Harry Kane, I mean, oh here he goes. Come on, get it out, get it over with.
20:57 Speaker 05 Hey, come on, hold on, hold on, I've been doing my speeches on earth for many... Ian, lovely to see you.
21:05 Speaker 03 Good to see you.
21:06 Speaker 05 Huge fan, love your car collection, absolutely fantastic. Rob and then the two other nerds in there. But, Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry, I absolutely love you. Gary, no more. He's not relevant anymore, he's irrelevant, no longer then.
21:25 Speaker 00 Shut the fuck up, really.
21:29 Speaker 00 I'll let you back, I'll let you back because it's really late there.
21:35 Speaker 05 One way of shutting up Micah by the way Gary, we spoke to him obviously after he equaled your record with the goals in the first group game, there is another little message from Harry today, having broken that record.
21:47 Speaker 06 Sorry Gary, one ahead of you now but no, I'm sure he'll send some congratulations and I've said before, one of him is greatest strikers, especially in World Cup, so yeah, to just go ahead of him now, I think it's a proud moment for myself and I'm sure he'll be happy.
22:03 Speaker 00 Thank you very much Harry, sincere congratulations, absolutely. I mean, don't laugh because I genuinely mean it, I'm thrilled for him, he's, you know, 40 years is a long time, I'm kind of bored of it now, to be honest. I needed someone and I couldn't be more thrilled that it's Harry Kane.
22:20 Speaker 05 Come on, seriously.
22:22 Speaker 02 That celebration when he was on the sofa. You were like, you were fiddling with yourself, you were smiling, you were sad.
22:30 Speaker 00 Did you just say I was fiddling with myself? I mean, it was a great goal.
22:34 Speaker 05 If he was fiddling with himself, that's for sure.
22:36 Speaker 00 It was a great goal, but I didn't get aroused by it, Micah, that's for sure. He texted you after the game as well.
22:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:45 Speaker 00 Sent you a message. You could mate, you played golf with him or something?
22:48 Speaker 03 Played golf with him. Played in the Scottish Open with him a number of years ago and he absolutely sends it.
22:54 Speaker 00 He hits it long, doesn't he? Is he a good player?
22:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, nice player, plays off two.
22:58 Speaker 05 Played with Brooks Koepka recently, didn't he?
22:59 Speaker 03 He did, yeah, a couple of weeks pre, like, pre-camp.
23:02 Speaker 00 That's the highlight of his golfing thing.
23:05 Speaker 03 Thanks.
23:05 Speaker 00 Sorry. We played together. Twenty, how long, twenty four years?
23:09 Speaker 03 Twenty four years.
23:10 Speaker 00 Dunhill Links, we were partners, we did alright. Well, you did.
23:15 Speaker 03 Not too, not too bad.
23:16 Speaker 00 I was shit.
23:18 Speaker 04 We've all played, I played with him at Wentworth in the prime as well, yeah.
23:21 Speaker 00 Yeah.
23:21 Speaker 04 I was shit as well.
23:22 Speaker 00 You know what we need now? We need, we need Harry Kane to come back to the Premier League and beat his bloody record, Micah. That's what we want, isn't it?
23:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, what's he up for you, Al? I know you know the exact number, go on, tell us.
23:35 Speaker 04 Something between, is it 47 and 49, something like that?
23:40 Speaker 00 Forty-eight, Micah.
23:41 Speaker 04 I think it's about forty-eight, Micah.
23:43 Speaker 00 I think, I think we absolutely.
23:46 Speaker 03 You know exactly what it is.
23:47 Speaker 00 He came off quite, quite late. You know, you'd have thought perhaps once he scored a goal, he might rest him a little bit. And Ollie Watkins came on.
23:56 Speaker 04 Yeah, I thought Ollie Watkins might have came on a little bit earlier, actually, because I thought the game was, was, was crying out for someone to make. You know, he makes those brilliant runs in behind. When the ball's just being able to, to get into the, to the, to the hole of someone and then it's his run, his run in behind. I think he's brilliant at that. And I felt that was the, was the game was needed at that particular time. So, yeah, I thought he might have come on a little bit earlier.
24:21 Speaker 00 Now, in our WhatsApp group chat during the game, you two were both getting a little bit impatient, a little bit frustrated. And I was, I was the opposite. I was telling everyone to calm down, it's fine. I, I don't, I think sometimes we forget. You know what it's like playing in World Cup matches, Alan? Sorry, Micah.
24:45 Speaker 00 It ain't easy. I think sometimes we think we've got this divine right just to batter everyone and it's not that easy. And I thought actually, I saw good signs in the first half. I don't think we were brilliant, obviously, but I thought, you know, they were quite progressive. I think we were pretty good down the left hand side. Bellingham was terrific. I said to Harry Maguire, I thought Rashford was a threat. Some of the things didn't quite come off for him, but I think he looks really sharp. I think there were a lot of positives and I was never in doubt that we would win. Why were you also kind of nervy about things?
25:21 Speaker 02 Oh, come on, let me go first, Al.
25:24 Speaker 04 Go on then.
25:25 Speaker 02 Because I agree with you in terms of they was good at win the game, Gaz. And that's a fair point. But you can't tell me that they were playing exciting football, that they looked like a real team that wanted to take risks. In that first half, they didn't really play well defensively. I thought they did really well. Second half, the game opened up a little bit. Dewson started making those runs. The connections were a little bit better. But I'm judging England by the players that they have and the top manager that they have got and brought in with Thomas Tuchel. And in that first half, nothing was really clicking.
26:06 Speaker 02 It was, again, a little bit too slow. Panama didn't go ultra-low block like Ghana. They were sort of in that mid-block and we just didn't create enough opportunities. I don't just look at the result, I look at the performances because, you know, as you go into the latter stages of the tournament, it's going to become more difficult. I don't want to be negative about England.
26:28 Speaker 00 I think England will be better against better teams. I think we're more of a counter-attacking side, quick on the break, high press. Alan?
26:39 Speaker 04 I would worry about us against the better teams because we're giving too many chances away to weaker opposition. If you look at who we played against Ghana.
26:48 Speaker 00 It's different though, isn't it?
26:49 Speaker 04 They attacked us twice, Ghana. And we were fortunate, one should have been a penalty and we got a free kick, which was never a free kick because Jordan Pickford brought him down. When they attacked us today, I thought we were open. And I think with better forwards playing against us, we won't get away with that.
27:04 Speaker 00 But you wouldn't necessarily play that way against a really good team, would you? You wouldn't throw everybody forward like...
27:09 Speaker 05 You'd have Gav Rysin, wouldn't you?
27:11 Speaker 04 Well, when we conceded two against Croatia, and I don't think Croatia had any great shape.
27:16 Speaker 06 Yeah, but Gaz, Gaz and Al, this is what people are talking about. And you guys have played football at the highest level. If you go a goal down against an Argentina, say they get a goal, Messi scores, and you get them in the semis, quarters, whatever it may be, wherever the run takes you. And if they score first, Argentina are going to go into a low block. That's exactly what they're going to do. Plus, they've got better defenders doing that. So, England are going to be open. I agree with Alan's point there. They're too easy to play through without being really creative going forward.
27:57 Speaker 06 I come back, I've done the Colombia game, which we'll probably talk about a little bit later on. They had so much urgency, so much energy, so much creativity. Yes, the game ended 0-0, but you could see the patterns of play. I just say with England, I'm expecting a little bit more because the calibre...
28:16 Speaker 00 You don't want to peak too soon in this tournament. You get through the group stage, then you work things out, right Ian?
28:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, 100%.
28:27 Speaker 04 No, I think, without doubt, he's still searching for the right thing.
28:32 Speaker 00 Yeah, he is.
28:33 Speaker 04 On both sides, full backs and wingers.
28:36 Speaker 00 I thought O'Reilly was really good.
28:38 Speaker 04 It hasn't quite worked, what he's looking for. He's having to constantly change the back four because of injuries and...
28:48 Speaker 04 Because of all of that, I think there's a, there looks a bit of an unrest, but they don't look comfortable when they're being attacked.
28:58 Speaker 00 Every game's different, obviously. Rob, Kwanzaa Injera is another defender.
29:03 Speaker 05 Here we go again, yeah. We had a very similar conversation last night, didn't we? Firstly, I'll take issue with Micah not saying that my career with Deer Park Rangers was not playing football at the highest level. That's very disrespectful, Micah.
29:13 Speaker 00 Deer Park Rangers?
29:15 Speaker 05 Deer Park Rangers. Managers' Player of the Year one year, I think that's just because I turned up every week, which I might need to do at right-back because, yeah, Thomas Tuchel says about Jarrel Kwanzaa going off, "It is a classic ankle twist. He is in pain. It will be a very tight race for the next game." I think we can safely say that Rhys James will not be there. Doesn't sound like Jarrel Kwanzaa is going to be there. Where do they go next? Micah, get your boots off.
29:41 Speaker 03 I can dust them down. If you see over my shoulder there, you can see my old boots. MR2 on there, I'm ready to go. Is that them going mouldy? They've gone a bit green.
29:52 Speaker 00 It's your Bertie Mees. It's your Bertie Mees I'm worried about.
29:57 Speaker 00 Who plays at right-back next game? Jed Spence possibly?
29:59 Speaker 04 Probably Jed Spence. He's got the option of putting Kwanzaa there and John Stones in the middle. But I'd also be a little bit concerned as John started the first game and hasn't played any part in the other two. I don't know whether he has a slight injury as well or not, I don't know. But it has been a bit of a surprise that he hasn't played any part in the last two games.
30:22 Speaker 00 That's it for this episode of The Rest Is Football. We'll be back in a few days. It's knockout time. It all starts now. Goodbye from me.
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