A Reaction To The Kurt Loder Episode Of The Questlove Show

In this QLS Mini, Open Mike Eagle and Cousin Jake briefly unpack their stress soundtracks, from comfort spins like XTC and R. E. M. to the way MTV and MTV News quietly raised a generation. Using their recent Kurt Loder Questlove Show interview as a springboard, they revisit formative moments like the Kurt Cobain and Tupac reports, the Real World era, and how Loder became a kind of Gen X Walter Cronkite. The conversation tracks how we used to “lean back” and receive culture versus today’s hyper-controlled feeds, while celebrating the dignity and care MTV News brought to covering cultures. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:07Speaker 02

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• 1:21Speaker 03

  Mikey and the place to be.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  What up, man?

• 1:24Speaker 03

  How are you today?

• 1:25Speaker 02

  I'm doing well. How are you?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Man, I, you know, I'm a mixture of blessed and stressed.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Okay, that's, that seems to be the, the order of the day. I think for a lot of us, that's, that's where the needle is, you know, between those two.

• 1:40Speaker 03

  Are you feeling that, too?

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean, um, you know, I don't know exactly when this is gonna come out, but, um, I'm in the middle of an album rollout. I'm technically on tour right now. Um, you know, the, the wheels are turning, but you know, I guess where I usually land is I am out of control busy.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Constantly trying to keep these plates spinning, more plates than I have arms.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Got you.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  But, these are all things that I wanna do.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is what we ask for.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  Exactly, so there's just no, there's no reason to complain. And, and I feel, I feel fortunate to have the opportunity to do a lot of them, you know?

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. And that's beautiful, and, and I'm in a similar spot where I remind myself, like, what it is I do for a living, which doesn't mean it's always pretty, doesn't mean it's always enjoyable, but...

• 2:30Speaker 02

  And it's certainly not stress-free.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  And it dovetails into what I wanna talk about today, but before we get to that, I did wanna ask you, do you have, like, is there a song or two from your stress soundtrack when you're just having, I won't even say a bad day, but you're feeling surges of...

• 2:51Speaker 02

  You know, I got like comfort albums I put on, but the thing is, like, my stress soundtrack is, like, it's like in my mind, like, I don't usually, don't even have to, like, go to music, like, songs will just pop into my head. And I'm, I'm trying to, like, think of specific ones, but like, my comfort bands is usually where I end up going. So like, my XTC, my REM, like, that, you know, a lot of the stuff that's in my old school, like, college rock bag, is a lot of the stuff that pops into my mind is like comfort music, you know?

• 3:23Speaker 03

  It's funny you say REM, and you were talking about XTC when we were in LA together in April, but like, the song that always stuck in my head, and it's such a woe is me, but I always hear Michael Stipe's voice go, "It's been a bad day, please don't take me to picture." Like, I just love that song. Um, but it's like the same, it's not the REM that I seek out, but that just always pops into my head when I'm having one, not even stressed, but just like a, a can't get right sort of day.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  But with that said, it's funny, you talk about XTC and REM and some, some 80s, some 90s. We had a conversation with Kurt Loder, who, you know, it's so interesting, me as a 42-year-old, my context of knowing Kurt Loder firsthand was always through MTV News. And then I've learned, same for you?

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  And then I learned, you know, he has this incredible, um, life before, you know, 1988, go figure, where, you know, he's one of the lead, you know, writers, um, staff writers at Rolling Stone, and, you know, contributed all these other places, did a biography with Tina Turner, a memoir. And unfortunately, back in April, you know, you and I got to kick it for a few hours, but the day that we hung out was not the day that Kurt came through.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  And I wanted that, I was just like being in a room with like, a slice of different people, but, you know, a lot of folks with the Questlove Show, you know, leave comments of who they wanna see on, and those comments, they don't, you know, they, they end up places. And a lot of times when we have production meetings, you know, we consider that, and obviously, publicists are always pitching the show.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:00Speaker 03

  But so much of the great wins of QLS in my five years, as part of this, have come from these midnight texts that Questlove sends of who he wants to speak to.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  And that's exactly what happened with Kurt Loder. Um, you know, at some point in February or March, Amir hit Brittany and I and was like, "Kurt Loder, please, can we get him?" And, you know, that was fun, because Kurt is not somebody who has a huge footprint online.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  So I actually contacted, you know, one of his former book agents with what I did find. They gave me an email, and I was like, you know, make sure, like, it's cool to give this email, and Kurt responded, and it was amazing. Kurt is now in his early 80s, doesn't look it, doesn't feel it, but just to spend a few hours with Kurt and, and, you know, his, his partner Jennifer was a really, really cool experience. One of my highlights, both from the LA trip, where we got to finally meet, but also just this year in general.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  I didn't realize that you, and Brittany did a lot of booking, too. I mean, y'all wear a lot of hats.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Talked about spinning plates. Yeah, I mean, and shouts out to, um, you know, Laia, Laia and Amir did so much booking in the, um, Questlove Supreme days, and, you know, I got to learn a lot under, uh, Laia. But yeah, just in, you know, somehow, our emails became the folks to pitch, and it's funny, like, I get 100 emails a month, and it's, it's amazing, because I laugh of, um, you know, my background of 25 years on the writing side, the same folks that, you know, I couldn't ever seem to find, you know, for years when I needed to, like, pitch a feature or something like that. Sometimes I could, sometimes I couldn't, are the same artists that are being offered up to the show now, which is beautiful, but there's ironic poetry in there somewhere.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a little bit of poetry there, I feel you. Let me ask you this, and, and, you know, not to, um, not to derail too much.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  But it makes me think of this, like, obviously, Amir knows a lot of people, and I think it is probably the case that there are plenty of people out there for whom he would love to have on the show, and they would love to be on the show, but because we're talking about probably two very busy universes of people, even once, you know, you have, or he has confirmation that somebody wants to be on the show, there's probably a lot of steps from there to getting it across the finish line, like, like, from having intention stated to having a date booked where somebody shows up at a specific time.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  I, I imagine there's a lot of, you know, extra carrying the football across the line that has to happen from there.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  There is, and I mean, one of the things is just, I pride myself on trying to, and I think this is true of Brittany or anyone down with the organization, we try to just take things off of Amir's plate. But what's been really amazing this year is, you know, I was with Amir and Padma Lakshmi back in March. We were taping an episode, which ran, a cool episode, and while we were there, Amir got a text from Jamie Lee Curtis, and he was like, "Oh, she's in town, and she'd like to talk."

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  And then becomes the job of, like, you know, camera, studio, logistics, and we made that happen, and those are always cool, you know, we always just run our pitches by, but I always say that with care, because, you know, one of the things I try to be mindful of is, is QLS, it thrives because the podcast exists outside of press windows. So it's always interesting when somebody pitches the show, and they're like, "Hey, if we could target it to run on this date, when this album comes out, or this tour is announced, or in this Grammy voting window." But if that same conversation is happening in other, you know, it's not even about competition, it's just like, you know, if you're listening to XYZ artist, you're probably only good for one conversation, you know, in one place, unless you are, you know, that you're a diehard fan.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  So we always just try to live outside of that. And the show has proudly, since inception, not been about plugging things so much. We're not a radio show.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  I mean, it's designed in the spirit of, as you very much found out as a guest last year, there were a few questions towards your album, but oftentimes, the discussion goes where it goes organically. And then, if everything goes to plan, then the, the viewer, the listener is like, "Ah, I wanna listen to this album, I wanna see what this question's up to."

• 9:24Speaker 02

  It's informed by curiosity and genuine interest. So, and that's, that's different than trying to coordinate with, you know, when a big release is happening. It's a, it's a different type of show.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  100%, and that's one of the things that I've had to learn, because when you're just a media person, you know, you're not, I'm not a brand, I'm not, you know, the pitches that I've gotten over the years are always intended to focus on the thing that the artist is valuing at that moment, and you balance it with some legacy questions and some random stuff. But QLS is different, and I really enjoy it, and I really love working with people that understand that. Folks that aren't texting me as the conversation's happening, "When's he gonna get XYZ?" So... I'm curious to think, like, what was your relationship with MTV or MTV News growing up?

• 10:12Speaker 02

  Man, I feel like MTV partly, like, raised me, you know? I was a latchkey kid, you know, early 90s, South Side of Chicago when it was crazy outside, and I live with my grandparents, and, you know, I had a TV in my room, and they had cable, and I watched a lot of, you know, kid stuff growing up, right? Like, you'd, you know, you'd watch Nickelodeon and your cartoons in the afternoon or whatever. But one, like, one of my go-tos was just to see what was on MTV, and I've always been such a music head my whole life. So, there just was, it was so great to always have this channel that was just this world of music, you know?

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Like, I would watch everything from Yum TV Raps to Headbanger's Ball, like, anything, I would watch it.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Was that Ricky Ratman? Wait, who was that?

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Did you say Ricky Rack, is that what you said, Ricky Rackman?

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, Headbanger's Ball. Yeah, yeah, Ricky Rackman, yep. Headbanger's Ball, I remember when he cut his hair was a big deal. He had the long hair with the Headbanger's Ball, but then when grunge happened, he kinda had to adapt, you know?

• 11:18Speaker 03

  MTV was 24 hours, but overnight was just a lot of, like, after midnight, it would just be mostly music videos, right?

• 11:25Speaker 02

  I actually don't remember what it was like overnight. Like I know on the weekends, like they had 120 minutes that would come on Sunday night at like 11. So I could only even see that if there was like no school the next day. But for the most part, I don't really remember what was on overnight on MTV.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  Were you a Real World guy?

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I watched, I saw a little bit of the first season. The second season I was really kind of dialed in on.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Is the second season San Francisco?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  Ah, that sounds right. That sounds right. And, and

• 11:57Speaker 03

  Cause it starts in New York with Kevin and Heather, right?

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Right. And that's the one I was, I, I was kind of in and out on. I didn't really, like, I didn't understand what that was. And I was like a kid. So it's like, wow, why is this show about these adults having arguments? Like, what is this? Um, but there was something about the second one, where's it, that guy Puck? Was he on?

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was San Francisco. Yep.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  So that was the one where like, I had an in and I was like, okay, I, I get this, but I never watched it after that. Like that, oh, I think there was a Seattle season?

• 12:29Speaker 03

  Yep. With the slap. Yep.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  And I remember slap. But I feel like that was my last engagement with, with the Real World.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  And it's funny, like Laia, Amir and I and Brittany, we've all had some serious, like rabbit hole between tapings on Real World. Um, and we all had intersections with various cast members. But similar to you, I think that's the glory years. Like I always say, I liked Real World before you had to be a beautiful person on there.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  You know, like when it was real and then all of a sudden.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Regular ass people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.

• 13:02Speaker 03

  But you know, as far as MTV News, it's, it's real interesting listening, um, to this Kurt Loder interview and watching it. His voice is so soothing to me. It's one of those voices that's like, you know, Rosebud and Citizen Kane. It takes me back. And I'm just, uh, I'm curious for you, you know, when you're consuming all that television and I was very much a latchkey kid as well. Do you have any memorable reports of that?

• 13:28Speaker 02

  Ooh, okay. So what I used to do a lot was just tape MTV. I, I would just videotape it. Like a two hour tape and I would just tape a two hour block of it and I would just watch it back over and over again. And there was this one, I remember where there was an MTV news break and for some reason they were doing a story about this guy, this, I guess some DJ had made this remix of, uh, like George Bush speeches. Like he had just made a song. The song was called Hard Times and they kept dropping all of these like, you know, speech accused from George Bush speeches. And for some reason, this was a news story.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Um, and, and I'll never forget it. Cause it was like one of those things when you're a little kid and you're watching what is to you, the presentation of what's important in the world, right? You're like, oh, okay. And I'm thinking like, this is a big deal. And I think back on it now, I'm like, I don't, I don't know how that segment happened. Um, I don't know who that person is, who's that DJ? Like it's, it's all so interesting to think back on and see how like ultimately insignificant this particular piece of information was. But because I'm a little kid and this is the news and this is Kurt Loder. I'm like, oh, this is, this is interesting.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  Was it Kurt that, that teed it up?

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I do believe it was Kurt. I do believe it was Kurt. I don't think this was a Tabitha Soren. I think this was, was Kurt Loder.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Shout out to Tabitha Soren too. She was amazing. I've been, uh, my, my IG discover reel has been bringing up a lot of Tabitha Soren, um, checking Mariah Carey's publicist in that interview a lot.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I don't remember that.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  Oh, it's quality where I, she asked a Tommy Mottola question and they're like, all right, interview over. And Tabitha, I love this just as a journalist. She was like, I've worked on this story for weeks. Pump fake. And Mariah is sitting right there and it's, it's just good awkward television. Um,

• 15:27Speaker 02

  So, so the, the publicist is sitting on camera with Mariah?

• 15:31Speaker 03

  Off camera. You hear the voice of like, we're gonna rap now. Um,

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Interesting. And they left all that in?

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's like Honey era Mariah, you know, it's like 96, 97, eight. But you know what's funny? Like somebody on our YouTube page left a really resonant comment and they were like, you know, Kurt Loder was older than I think the audience that MTV presented itself as.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  But he covered this, whether you want to talk about grunge or hip hop or metal with such dignity and respect. And I just, you think about it over time and it, it seems so, I don't want to say foreign, but like, I, I feel like if you were to be MTV now, the fact that they went with somebody with this authoritative, very straight ahead delivery, but always putting love and respect in there is just so cool to me.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I, I think that, especially when I think back on it now, it's like, yeah, like that they picked the Walter Cronkite for that generation, right? So the whole deal with the old school newscaster is that like, he was kind of calming you while potentially delivering you devastating information. Uh, that seemed to be traditionally the role of the, the lead news anchor, right? Especially like in the evening news. So it felt like he was the, you know, Generation X version of that where, yeah, in MTV, you have this entire spectrum of crazy characters or sarcastic, sardonic voices. But when it came to the

• 17:11Speaker 02

  news, it was like, oh, this is the voice you can trust, you know?

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. They're gonna literally interrupt Beavis and Butthead to give you some news at 50 on the hour. And yeah, and I was just thought Kurt was like a cool dresser. I always just like, and I always, I always, and it speaks to the conversation. Like he's done some press over the years, but he was somebody and Amir made this point and Amir made the Walter Cronkite comparison in his intro. But I'm like, does this guy live in the studio? Not because he seems like a workaholic.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  But I'm just imagining him in the box, you know?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  Right. That's the only place I ever saw him was in, you know, on the green screen with the spinning satellite dish.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  Exactly.

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• 20:41Speaker 03

  It's interesting, you know, Kurt writes a lot of film reviews now. I haven't read his memoir with Tina Turner, but after this episode, I've been reading a lot this year. I'm gonna buy that book and read it, but um, I got to give Kurt Loder a documentary film recommendation. And I'm not a me first person, but I was like, there's not, I won't say bucket list, but I was like, that's something that I will-

• 21:03Speaker 02

  That's a win.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  That's a win. Exactly, you know. But yeah, I mean, you mentioned like devastating news. I'm curious, like, do you have memories of whether it was Kurt or somebody else of learning the kind of watershed moment developments, whether it's somebody passing or otherwise that stick with you?

• 21:20Speaker 02

  It's on the nose, man, but the Kurt Cobain passing, I'm what, 13 or something? I'm right in the wheelhouse for, you know, I really like, I loved grunge music, like, I loved it and it, you know, I was in the hood. I had friends around me who were like interested in that shit at all, but like, like I said, I used to watch Headbangers Ball. I, I was just obsessed with like, you know, music and pop culture. I saw that shift happen from when, you know, it was the big hair and the, you know, the leotards and, and, and the girls draped over the car hood.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  I saw that get phased out and that was so fascinating to me to see like, whoa, okay. And now it's like this grimy kid in high school with the long sleeves. He looks dirty and messy and like, yo, okay. And, and I got really into that, you know, the Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, all of that, Alice in Chains. And so that passing was like, it felt like one of those world changing events. Like there was like a small group of girls in my school who were like, you know, proto emo. I don't even know what you would call them back then, but they were just completely like, they were crying all day because of how hard this, this news hit them.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  And I feel like, you know, I, I don't know if everybody saw it or found out that way, but if you were a fan following that music, you were watching MTV. And so like it is, it stands to reason, this is how you would come about this information, was from Kurt Loder in his very soothing voice explaining-

• 23:04Speaker 03

  And they talked about that. Yeah. And what's interesting, I mean, I remember that 94, like I watched MTV before, but 94 is the summer. I just remember being glued to the TV. You mentioned Soundgarden, that was the year of Black Hole Sun was the big single. And that video scared the hell out of me, still to this day, like those images-

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. With, you know, little eyeballs and yeah, it's freaky, freaky video.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Same summer as Regulate being on and John Mellencamp's Wild Night, like what-

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Three sides of the brain. Okay. Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. And literally I think MTV News Cut, that might've been how I learned of the Bronco chase, like in the middle of all that summer.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  But Kurt personally delivered the Kurt Cobain news and they talk about it. The thing that I always remember, and I don't believe it was Kurt Loder, I think it was either Chris Connolly or Tabitha Soren was Tupac. And-

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Shout out to Chris Connolly too. I feel like I did see a lot of Chris Connolly on MTV News as well.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  He was great. John Norris and Serena Ocho, all the names. But I remember my mom walking in as I was one of those people processing Pac's death and my mom started crying, which always, always sticks with me. And I looked at my mom and I wasn't crying, I was just really affected, but I'm 12 years old and my mom cried and to this day, my mom was just visiting me over the weekend. I asked her, I was like, why are you crying? And my mom knew the song Dear Mama and my mom cried because she said he loved his mom very much.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Wow. That was, that was her? That was how she associated him in her mind?

• 24:39Speaker 03

  And I just think of what true compassion and empathy in a pop culture aesthetic looks like. And I always think of, I, I'll carry that memory with me the rest of my life, especially with what I've since done with my career and my life, but I always think of my mom with that. Yeah. And I'm just curious, like the idea of that lean back experience with whether the videos or the shows you're watching and the news you're getting is completely decided for you. Now, when I feel like we hold our controllers, everything, be it your phone, be it your laptop, be it social media, is there anything that is akin to that experience we're talking about?

• 25:18Speaker 02

  You know, it's funny, where you just said that, I've thought about where do I get my bad news now? Cause I don't go looking for bad news. And honestly, like I got, you know, I have like a New York Times subscription. So they send, I get breaking news alerts to my email. And it's like, that is, it's like, it's almost like my email inbox is the media that I don't control. You know what I'm saying? Like I'll, you know, sign up for this or sign up for that. And then that gets fed to me, but I don't choose when, you know? That, I think that's, that in my life is probably the closest, cause I'm never like actively going and looking for the tragedy that's happened. And I used to, it used to be Twitter.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  When Twitter felt like a reliable place to get clear information on things, I would just go see what's trending. And oftentimes you see somebody's name trending and you click it and find out that something awful's happened.

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  You know?

• 26:19Speaker 03

  No, that's a really good point. And it's funny because I get those same emails and I've tried to like, you know, it's like the boy who cried wolf. Like I try to look, manage my subscriptions and just take down a little bit of the trigger warning of like, hey, can we not send me alerts to start with this person's name? Or, you know, if somebody passed away, you know, don't, but you can't, you can't. And I actually get mad when on the weekend, the New York Times will, you know, they go from hard news to sending you like, hey, how do you clean your grill?

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. With the same like presentation, it's like y'all gotta switch this up. That's, that's weird. Right. You think somebody fell off a bridge or something? No, but it's just like bread recipes or something.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Well, I encourage everyone, I mean, obviously we're the show between the show, but check out the Kurt Loder conversation. There's some cool intercept and Amir had mentioned in passing, old dirty bastard. And I thought, I mean, that's a famous report that did not involve tragedy.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  But you know, I mean, obviously ODB is no longer with us, but Kurt Loder, I think guided the little MTV production of obviously the famous, actually it's funny, I have a replica somewhere behind me of the WIC card that ODB gets out of the limo and goes in to use the benefit, but-

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Classic material. Shout out to Toure. Toure was, Toure, I think was, was a, I think he was the host for that segment, I believe.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Oh, touche. Yeah, we'll, we'll make sure we get that right. That's um-

• 27:42Speaker 02

  I believe so. I could be wrong, but I believe Toure, that was Toure's segment.

• 27:46Speaker 03

  Thank you for checking out this mini, everyone. Please, I encourage everybody, you know, send questions you might have, mailbag questions. We did one of those last week while we were in the studio with Amir. You got questions for the show, suggestions, God forbid, anything you want me to talk about or my, like, we're here. This is a 360, but um, go to questlovesupreme.com or DM us at the QLS on IG or leave a thoughtful YouTube comment, but we are here and we are grateful. Until next time, Mike.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  All right. Talk soon.

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  I was just wondering if we could maybe take it easy this week?

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