The Womack Sisters

The Questlove Show breaks from its usual one-on-one format to welcome Zamani, Kucha, and BG—the Womack Sisters. Granddaughters of Sam Cooke and daughters of soul duo Womack & Womack, they released a self-titled album on Daptone that’s among Questlove’s favorite records of 2026. The sisters talk about growing up on tour and living in Ireland, London, Kenya, Thailand, and Paris—including how their father’s intuition helped the family get to safety ahead of the 2004 tsunami. They also discuss years of label rejections and driving for rideshare services while staying true to their sound. Along the way, there are surprises: a photo of Sam Cooke with Questlove’s mother, and Questlove’s story about a Roots show with their uncle, Bobby Womack, that went off the rails. Photograph by Rachel Kaplan for iHeart. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  We're ready? All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Questlove Show. Talk a good game about personal growth, and this episode right here is proof of that promise. My comfort zone on this show is strictly a one-on-one format. Groups kind of scare me because they tend to clam up in front of each other, and I like my guests with also a lot of mileage under their belts, which explains why I tend to lean towards legacy artists. However, I am human, and, you know, full disclosure, I'm also smitten. I haven't been this collectively in love with a group of singers in a good minute.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  The 70s version of me, you know, that crown went to Sister Sledge and High Energy. The 80s, of course, this strictly coincidence, Vanity 6 was Inescapable. The 90s, of course, there's For Real, Good Girls, I Put My Money Where My Mouth Is with the Jazzy Fat Nasties. And, you know, rounding out to the aughts, of course, we can name Floetry, 702, of course, Destiny's Child. But, you know, I first discovered our guest today through Solange's St. Heron site, which prepared me for their first EP, which was entitled Legacy. But what a difference a four-year rebrand makes.

• 4:26Speaker 00

  And their self-titled, full-length follow-up, in my opinion, is pure musical manner from heaven. I never thought anyone younger than me would be emotionally capable of creating a solid soul album. It's been a really great musical, 2026, being as though I could probably name five non-hip-hop albums of artists that moved me. This is damn near a miracle. Caught them live three nights ago from this particular taping, and I'm an absolute believer. A few years back, these ladies might have been your Uber driver. I hope you tipped them well.

• 5:07Speaker 00

  Please welcome Zamani, Kucha, and BG, otherwise known as the Womack Sisters. Ladies, thank you very much for coming.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  Thank you for having us.

• 5:16Speaker 00

  Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay, so I purposely left your lineage out on purpose, as with anyone else that would interview guys would surely put that at the forefront. But even without that bloodline, I'd definitely still be singing praises and singing from the mountaintops.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 5:39Speaker 00

  You know, the vocals are real. I love unison singing in addition to Sprinkles of Harmony, but unison singing also is a lost art that people sometimes lose. The lyrics, the arrangements, the productions, the sequencing, everything about this album, I love to death.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 5:57Speaker 00

  But for the folks at home who do not know, I will recapitulate that, of course, your grandfather is Sam Cooke. Your uncle, Uncle Bobby, is Bobby Womack. Your uncle, your dad, and your uncles are the legendary Valentinos. And your mother, of course, along with your father, Cecil, of course, formed the legendary Womack and Womack. I will ask you guys, I guess I could say, wait, speaking of Womack and Womack, I have to always add this when I add this. If you're ever DJing in Chicago and you don't play all five minutes and 38 seconds of Baby, I'm Scared of You, you're not going to make it to your car.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  No.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  That's all I gotta say. But if someone heard your music without knowing your family lineage and your bloodline, what is it that you would like them to know about you?

• 6:55Speaker 03

  I would like them to say them girls can sing. Yeah. First and foremost, musicality, you know? I would like them to say that it was gritty, it was soulful, it was well-prepared and thought out, you know? And it gave you something that you could connect with in your own life. Yeah.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  This has always been your ethos as far as like your...

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, from day one. When we came out here, we kind of had to separate ourselves from our parents and their company.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Because we grew up working with them on the road.

• 7:26Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  It was a lot of hard nights on tour, and we wanted to branch out at that point, so we left London, came to LA, and we were met with a lot of rejection around the idea of us doing, kind of like, they called it a throwback soul sound.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  Right.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we're just like, this is just, this is how we are, like.

• 7:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  This brand of soul is what we were raised on and is just what comes out when there's a guitar and the three of us in the room. Yeah. Yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 00

  Okay, so, because I also come, I don't know what the musical version of A Preacher's Kid is. My father's group was around the time of the Valentinos, so I was tricked into the family business. Would you guys say in hindsight that you were tricked into the family business? And I say this trick mainly because parents of my age, you know, they didn't believe in babysitters. No one else is watching my child.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  So would you generally say that you gravitated towards their business as a natural thing or were you guys tricked into their family?

• 8:36Speaker 03

  They were very clear about immersing us, 100%.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, it was everyday life.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were with them.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Much like your dad, we didn't have really babysitters either. So we were like in the lobbies, we were in the studio, they just had us right there.

• 8:50Speaker 00

  Keeping around with kids, yes, okay.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  We didn't grow up going to school. They had tutors on the road because it was that important for us to be in the studio with them at interviews, onstage at television shows. So it was very much so, I don't feel like it was a trick. It felt like, this is what you know, and this is pretty much all.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, all we knew.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  All you know, like, they were 100% like trying to make us a part of Womack and Womack.

• 9:13Speaker 00

  Damn, now which prodigy from Mom Deep is here? We can all have a common bond of being kids of legends from that era. What's the first music that you remember hearing in your household? Was it your family music or do you specifically?

• 9:31Speaker 04

  A lot of soulsters. They played it all the time.

• 9:33Speaker 00

  Still?

• 9:34Speaker 04

  Oh, yes, for sure.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, soulsters, we heard a lot of Tracy Chapman in our family. Miles Davis. Like on a daily basis, our father would be putting us to sleep to Wes Montgomery.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Bumping, you know?

• 9:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, they controlled our musical taste to a T.

• 9:53Speaker 00

  When did you guys discover that singing was your path and not just something that your parents did? Like, when did you discover that you have voices as well?

• 10:05Speaker 03

  I was about five, and I was like, I want to do this, you know? And at that age, our parents, our dad was like five when he was in, you know, the Valentinos, the Womack Brothers. So he never really looked at us as kids. He was just like, you have to make your decisions and you have to stick with them. So if you say you want to do this now, you know, this is the path you're going to be on.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was like 12, I started writing a lot, songwriting. And so I was like, oh, this is, this is moving me. Yeah.

• 10:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  Who would you say were your north stars as far as like someone outside of your family? I mean, because obviously your kids of the era, like you had to have liked.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  Lauryn Hill.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  The first record I bought by myself. I was like, I'm buying this record.

• 10:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 05

  Only Michael Jackson.

• 10:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 10:54Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, for me, it was a lot of Michael Jackson.

• 10:57Speaker 00

  Okay. As sisters, I would like to know, like, what the roles are, like, who, who's the more subdued? Who's the problem solver? Who's the daredevil? Who's the provocateur?

• 11:10Speaker 04

  Okay, daredevil, problem solver. And this lady, she keeps us just together.

• 11:14Speaker 05

  I'm a visionary.

• 11:15Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 11:16Speaker 05

  You know? I have a lot of dreams and goals.

• 11:19Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  When we first came out here, everyone was like, this better work, Bee Gees. You know? Because we hadn't left our parents' side for like our entire lives. So they came out here and we're like, okay, so what are we doing now? So I just had to keep coming up with things. I'm gonna do this.

• 11:34Speaker 04

  She got us online. We weren't singing online. We started singing like covers and things on YouTube. She got all that started.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  Okay. All right, so first of all, whose ever idea was for you guys to do the singular clips of the music? I mean, I know there's a proper show for video, but the singular clips, which I'm trying to figure out, wait, is this real or not? And there's this, I'm gonna tell you what's interesting and telling about that. Like, of the two versions, of course, you know, I love the complete narrative of the show for video. But if you watch the singular clip, and, you know, search this, guys, if you will, there's a bunch of clips of their individual songs. There's no edits, no cuts or anything. It's just them performing.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  And if you watch your hands, your collective hands, everyone's telling a different story of who they are. All right, so when Bee Gees sings, there is an emotive gospel things that you do with your hands, like you're emphasizing words of this way. But when Zamani does it, it's more a soulful, like.

• 12:48Speaker 05

  You got her down.

• 12:51Speaker 00

  However, like any moment, I felt that a freestyle battle was about to happen.

• 12:57Speaker 00

  Because the hand motions and stuff like that. And I was like, wow, this, just based on the hands alone, I saw three different personalities. I didn't know if that was by design or just a natural.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Oh, no, that's our personalities coming out. Yeah. Now, you mentioning to us, like, I'm gonna be looking at that video from now on.

• 13:13Speaker 00

  So you didn't?

• 13:14Speaker 05

  We don't rehearse like that.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  No, no, we just let it flow. We've been singing together since we were little.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I know, that's completely, I think it's the way we sing. It's kind of how we exude our sound. Resonate. And when I move my hands, it's kind of like to show you the emotion I'm feeling.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:32Speaker 00

  I guess, now that filming and making movies is kind of my, I'm not giving up music, people, calm down. But I'm more aware of things visually that I wasn't before. And actually, the reason why I love that idea is that it's so simple.

• 13:54Speaker 00

  But you guys know exactly what to do. Like, you could have overacted, you could have overdone it. And literally, I love the fact, I encourage more of that. Like, even if you get super established.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 14:07Speaker 00

  Okay, so this is what I didn't know about you guys. What year did your family leave the United States?

• 14:14Speaker 05

  I was like ninety-two, ninety-three?

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Two ninety-three.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  Was London the first place you went?

• 14:18Speaker 03

  No, Dublin, Ireland. Yeah, we moved on to a sheep farm. It was a beautiful experience. It was so green, you know? It was new. It was exciting because we were leaving West Virginia.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  Where in West Virginia did you grow up?

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Bluefield.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm sorry, don't say Salt pork. I've heard, I know that Bill Whiz is from Salt pork.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  He's a family member.

• 14:40Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think he's a cousin of ours.

• 14:42Speaker 00

  Really?

• 14:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what I've heard, you know?

• 14:45Speaker 00

  Makes sense.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Could happen.

• 14:47Speaker 00

  When did you guys move to London?

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Our parents started around Love Wars, going back and forth. And they noticed that they were getting a great response as far as their music, because they had the same struggles we had, you know? We were trying to convince people at record companies that, you know, we know what we're talking about and we want, like, to sing soul music. Our parents were fighting that fight back then. We were in those meetings and they just, they didn't even want to put out Baby, I'm Scared of You, you know? And I don't think it was officially released as a single. It just blew up on the underground. Yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 00

  Really?

• 15:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, they didn't really believe in it. And our dad was like, well, I'll pay for it with my own money. Like, this is, you know?

• 15:23Speaker 03

  They've never been, they've never been able to convince people that this is gonna go, you know? So they've always had to put their own money behind things. That's where we learned that from. But, yeah, they moved.

• 15:33Speaker 00

  Do it yourself and not.

• 15:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's why they moved. They moved to England because they went with it. You know, they were like, we love soul music. They were very into that, you know? So everything, our parents.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  This is crazy to meet someone that goes through the same thing.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:48Speaker 00

  What part of London did you live in?

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Oh, we, well, you know, we lived in Camden. We lived in high part.

• 15:54Speaker 00

  Wait a minute, did we pass each other, didn't we? Like, you know that we moved to London, like.

• 15:59Speaker 05

  You were in Camden?

• 16:00Speaker 00

  We lived in Kenneish Town.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  Wow, I know exactly where that is.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  That's kind of like, it's almost the same thing. Like, we got a record deal. We were in Geffen.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 16:11Speaker 00

  And the passing of Kurt Cobain kind of spooked my manager into the fact that the label might drop us if we don't make something happen soon. Because, you know, they invested all this money in the black department, black music department, that they didn't have. So we kind of took our publishing money. We booked three nights at the Jazz Cafe. And during that weekend, we just kind of walked in the neighborhood in Camden. And when we got to Queens Crescent in Kenneish Town, we found a five-bedroom flat. And we pretty much lived in London from ninety, ninety-four till, I think we gave it up in ninety-eight.

• 16:54Speaker 04

  Wow. We probably definitely crossed paths. That's crazy.

• 16:58Speaker 00

  I didn't, so your parents were living there at the time?

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. They were making music. They made their last album there. Moving to London is actually how they got up with Chris Blackwell and made Conscience. Yeah, he was way open to their ideas, so.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  Okay, so this thing happens in ninety-three, where it's, it's the name change and the, like, did they move to Africa or?

• 17:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, we lived in Kenya, Nairobi.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  So you guys were nomads, like?

• 17:27Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. We were the wild thornberries. Yeah, for a little while, we were living in a hut, no electricity or running water. And they had us learning how to make fires and get our vegetables from.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  Get our water from the river?

• 17:40Speaker 00

  What was that like?

• 17:41Speaker 03

  It was beautiful. We learned how to use lanterns. Our dad was like, this is, this is fun.

• 17:45Speaker 04

  They wanted us to be very down to earth. They were like, you're not gonna be like a celebrity off in the corner somewhere. You're gonna live like the people.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were always off the beaten path. You know, they were clear adventurers, for sure.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  And there's other, how many siblings are in total?

• 17:59Speaker 04

  Seven.

• 17:59Speaker 03

  Seven, and they traveled with every last one of us.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  So when you travel that much,

• 18:06Speaker 00

  a cat like me is very sentimental. I am a pack rat to the bone. I'm the opposite of, like, I have friends now who, I mean, I have employees that never had a house. Because now in the age of just Airbnb or whatever, they're just like, oh, I'm gonna move here for a month.

• 18:26Speaker 00

  The thing that, I would love that, however, because of my need to collect history. I have two hundred thousand records. I go to tear up auctions and whatnot. It makes it harder for me, like, packing and just moving on a whim. Like, when you're moving to another part of the world, do you at least have a warning? Or is it just like, we're moving next week?

• 18:54Speaker 03

  Our dad was a get up in the middle of the night kind of.

• 18:57Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  We were the roadies, so he had us pack up the house.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  And he was spiritually connected. He would follow his intuition.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  You know, he felt like he was a prophet. So when he felt something, he moved.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we all moved with him.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  So if he got up in the middle of the night and said, we're clearing this place, I'll be leaving.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  And it was proven with the tsunami in Thailand. We had a home in Phuket.

• 19:18Speaker 00

  Y'all were there?

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were there.

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Our parents left the night before.

• 19:21Speaker 05

  The night before the tsunami. He woke up in the middle of the night because he felt something. He put my mom and my little sister on the back of a motorbike.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  Drove to the airport.

• 19:31Speaker 05

  Drove to the airport.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  They came down to Bangkok to meet us because we were living in the city.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  And it happened the night after that. Everybody in our area passed away.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  Ah, what the?

• 19:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was, that was proof that his intuition really is.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  Oh, biopic gonna have to happen now.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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• 22:27Speaker 00

  How many places would you name home? How many countries or how many cities have you lived in?

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Let's go on the top.

• 22:32Speaker 05

  Definitely London.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Yes, definitely Thailand.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  Amsterdam.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  And Paris. You were there for a long time.

• 22:39Speaker 05

  And honestly, Kenya.

• 22:40Speaker 00

  What part of Paris?

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  37 Avenue Hush. It was right across the street from the Royal Mansell Hotel, which was their favorite hotel. We used to live in that hotel, actually.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Really?

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 00

  Wow. I'm sorry, guys. I'm processing this as I hear it because I didn't know that much. Of all the places that you've been to, what sort of felt like home? What did America feel like if you, like, at what point did you immerse yourself in American culture?

• 23:11Speaker 05

  Going back to LA finally.

• 23:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was like 2000.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  2009.

• 23:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:17Speaker 00

  Oh, you came back in 2009?

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. So we came back first.

• 23:20Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  How it went was...

• 23:21Speaker 05

  That was a visit, but really moving was...

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  The full move was in 2016 where we didn't leave again.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:28Speaker 03

  But, you know, we came back in 2009, you know? And it was a beautiful environment, you know? The country was peaceful and it was lovely.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  But at the end of the day, we got immersed in the culture and felt like LA was our new home.

• 23:45Speaker 00

  What was the adjustment like?

• 23:47Speaker 03

  Having to drive. Yeah, not being able to get on the tube.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, in London, because we came straight from London back to LA.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  We were like, wow, the streets are so big. So we're just used to like this small amount of space and we could take the tube everywhere. I was like, wow, we actually need a car now.

• 24:02Speaker 00

  Did you guys get your driver's licenses in...

• 24:04Speaker 04

  I got mine in America, but they were driving on and off, weren't y'all?

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it was, it was interesting too because, like we said, we're not silver spoon, you know? So trying to figure life out, your parents not close by, it was interesting. It definitely was, it was, it was a grind, for sure.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  But technically, you were born in West Virginia, correct?

• 24:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  All different places.

• 24:26Speaker 05

  We were all born in different places.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  I was born in Virginia.

• 24:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  She was born in the Bahamas.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  Nassau.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  LA.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Our dad delivered all of us.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:35Speaker 00

  So home doula, like...

• 24:37Speaker 05

  He was the doula.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  He was the doula in midlife.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  When did you have this spiritual overlay? Because people often talk about, like, I want to go back home to Africa. I hear of this, but I never hear anyone that actually sees it through.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  Oh, they, they did it before. A lot of people were checking their DNA, trying to find out where they were from. I think it was like 91, 92, our parents started traveling to Africa. And we went on all these explorations. Like, we went to the Ngorongoro Crater. And that was beautiful because the animals were out. Yeah. Kilimanjaro. It was beautiful. They were taken with it, you know?

• 25:15Speaker 00

  Were you guys fortunate enough to find out what your actual lineage is as far as like...

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it's a little mixed up as far as my mother and father are concerned, but they found some Nigerian history there.

• 25:26Speaker 00

  Okay. I just found out I'm from Benin.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  Oh, lovely. Yeah, same as our dad.

• 25:33Speaker 00

  A word?

• 25:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:34Speaker 00

  Nice. Okay, cool.

• 25:36Speaker 05

  Well, you might be related.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Right?

• 25:39Speaker 00

  I'm gonna show you something.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  Right?

• 25:40Speaker 00

  I'm gonna show you something I discovered this morning.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Really?

• 25:43Speaker 00

  This is actually, speaking of your family, in Googling photos of your grandfather. I'm gonna show you how small the world is. Okay, so the great Sam Cooke is on the left side. We'll turn in. Okay? On the right is my mother.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  Get out of here.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  No way. That's your mom?

• 26:07Speaker 04

  What the hell?

• 26:08Speaker 00

  My mother was like, you know, quasi notable, um, print model in Pittsburgh. And I guess he was doing a show and they threw a party for him and people were lining up.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Wow. What a small world.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  That is amazing.

• 26:21Speaker 00

  When I looked, I was like, wait a minute. Yeah, so...

• 26:25Speaker 04

  That is so cool.

• 26:26Speaker 00

  A very small world.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  Yo, I could, I could spend the whole three hours just like on...

• 26:32Speaker 05

  That is amazing.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Seriously.

• 26:34Speaker 00

  All right, all right, because there's so many, much more to ask you about the album and whatnot, but this fascinates me. Okay, I know when you have a family of seven, you guys wind up being each other's friends.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 00

  I've learned this from, I'm friends with the Smollets as well. Same situation. How do you connect with wherever you are? Like, are you making other friends as well? And of course, okay, you guys are way younger than me. So of course, like, technology is, you can contact people. Like, I was in Europe at the time where I had to use a phone card and it was like $300 a...

• 27:10Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  But what is the wear and tear of that like when you have to leave a territory and you've made friends and connections and...

• 27:20Speaker 04

  We didn't date. That was...

• 27:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. Up until, was it, when we came back to the States, we started having personal lives and stuff.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, but other than that, it was a lot of work and a lot of hanging out with our parents. Like, our dad was our best friend, to be honest with you.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  And our mother, you know, our best girlfriend in the world. But we would meet up with kids, you know, ride our bikes around the neighborhoods. I remember hanging out with a group of girls in Miami. And they were all great friends, but we, you know, we never kept in touch.

• 27:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Some of the friends that we had from Thailand, which was a little later on, everybody was on Facebook.

• 27:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank God for Facebook. We're able to keep in touch with people because, growing up, we didn't, we weren't able to really keep friends. Like, you, you end up moving and then you lose touch with people. And luckily, we have the internet now to kind of keep us there. But I would say our real self-discovery of getting to know different people was when we came back to America. We started like dating, working a job. Then you start having like your own different little like

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Right.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  social groups.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  So what did you learn from your father? And what did you learn from your mother? Especially like as women, as artists? Just solving life problems, how to fix blah, blah, blah. How to, like, what did you learn from them?

• 28:37Speaker 03

  They always taught us to listen to our inner voice, you know? There's a lot of noise. They taught us so many things, you know, as far as being a woman. Our mother was a very natural person. She was very spiritually connected to herself. So she wanted to make sure that we meditated every day. And that was like a part of our ritual, you know? They were very...

• 28:59Speaker 00

  That's physics. Nice.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were very spiritually grounding. She always taught us that less is more, you know? Even with your vocals, your singing,

• 29:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  your makeup, your clothes. Just try to stay focused on what you're doing in life. They taught us so much about the business before they ever taught us about like how to deliver a vocal or how to produce an album. They were putting books in front of us about music business and publishing. And our dad used to always say, don't feel pressured to be famous or anything like that. It's more so about your creative contribution and preserving that.

• 29:38Speaker 00

  None of you had any FOMO feelings? Because, I mean, again, you're also growing up in the digital age. And it's easy to get influenced by what everyone else is doing.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 00

  And I would imagine that it's harder to have your own individuality and...

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. They kept us out of that for a long time. We weren't even watching TV.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I think because we were tutored, we kind of had our own little bubble. So we were a little very different until we started like kind of experiencing different people in life. We were kind of just like off to ourselves.

• 30:10Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, they weren't promoting us getting online or anything.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Good, good. All right, so of course, you guys have never met your grandfather.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 30:22Speaker 00

  So who was Sam Cooke to you guys growing up? Like, was he a picture on the wall? Was he this legend figure? Was he a ghost? Like, for my generation, especially after watching the Malcolm X film in 92, the way that Spike uses "A Change Is Going To Come" as a foreshadow. It haunts us to this day. Like, we can't help but think of the Audubon scene in Malcolm X. But also, you know, a lot of musicologists note that probably one of the greatest examples, you know, oftentimes, black people in America don't speak of their experiences of the amount of code-switching we have to do

• 31:07Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  just in order to survive. And probably one of the greatest musical examples that historians use is your grandfather's Live at the Copa album.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  Which, of course, if you're a fan of Goodfellas and, you know, they're in that small nightclub and they bring the table to you and all that stuff, like, the Copa was like a very respectable place where some friends of ours, like, hang out. So there was a sort of way that you had to conduct yourself professionally. But then, of course, on the flip side of that, the Harlem Club, which is in Miami, I believe, it was a whole nother language that he spoke. And to me, just to listen to both live albums done back to back, where he's clearly communicating to different audiences is like one of the most astounding things. And some of the songs are the same, but the way he delivers it, very respectful, very polite. And he's joking with the audience and, yeah, I'm a, you know, let me talk to you.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  Like, just like all the preaching that your uncle does before he, you know, 12 minutes before he talks before he gets to the song. To me, it's so amazing. But what is it... What did he represent to you? Like, how do you discover who this person is? And when did you discover, like, oh, Jesus, like, our grandfather might be God? Or, you know what I mean?

• 32:27Speaker 03

  You know, our mother always told us, you know, the flip sides of the stories. So she was educating us about his mindset, his goals. You know, she wanted us to continue thinking and reading the way he did. He was, he was obsessed with books. And we were taught that he was more of a revolutionary than anything, you know?

• 32:50Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, of course, when we refer to him, we refer to, you know, the voice and all that stuff. But really, probably, his biggest contribution was the fact that he was like one of the first early people to own his label,

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 00

  run his publishing and all that. So, like, to you, what holds more weight with you? The business acumen or the talent acumen?

• 33:13Speaker 04

  I would say, definitely say the business for us.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  They, they pushed that to us. They were like, he had his own business.

• 33:17Speaker 03

  Ownership.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, ownership. Even before they talked about what he did, like, talent-wise, like, contributing to the industry. They were like, he owned this, he owned that. He believed very strongly that artists should be in the driver's seat of their career.

• 33:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, he was, he was definitely a great singer. We could hear that from the music, because they played it for us from the time we were born.

• 33:37Speaker 00

  Was it easy watching Leslie Odom play him in One Night in Miami? Or usually, when biopics come out, families are very slow to, to watch it. I lived it, I don't need to read the bookers. Like, were you guys able to watch it and?

• 33:54Speaker 05

  I didn't really connect with the actor. He didn't really look like him, but, you know, he did a beautiful job.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  He did a great job.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  And it was a lovely story.

• 34:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  You know, we were kind of told, you know, in advance that this was kind of an imaginary night. So we were just like, okay, this could have happened, that could have happened. You know, but it was definitely a beautiful story. It was very entertaining. I knew that he had those group of friends, you know? And they were talking a lot about the future and what they want to do for the community.

• 34:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  You know, so it was entertaining.

• 34:26Speaker 00

  Technically, where do you have citizenship?

• 34:29Speaker 03

  Oh, we're dual citizens. We're US citizens and then citizens in Africa.

• 34:33Speaker 04

  Just had to clear it up.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 00

  Cool. On the new album, Weird Enough, which I wasn't expecting, the influence that I truly hear is actually Sam Cooke. Especially, I don't think it's an accident that my sisters in me closes the album, because to me, that's the Psalm that

• 34:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  clearly is derivative of this. Like, was that by design or just?

• 35:02Speaker 03

  You know what it was. He was in the gospel like we were, you know? So when we say, like, we're pulling from our experience in music, it, it will sound similar to him, because he was pulling from his experience in the church.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  Five generations. So we always push gospel music as like the backdrop to everything.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's unintentionally, because from the time, like, we were kids, you know, they would always say, oh, you know who your tone is like? Cousin this, or Uncle this, and you know? And my mother has always said, you know, you guys, y'all have that vibe, you know? You, you hit where the Womack brothers were hitting, you know?

• 35:38Speaker 00

  It's seven of you, just from your mother and your father? But what's the totality of all the?

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. Okay, so our, our dad was married to Mary Wells of Motown.

• 35:51Speaker 00

  Did not know this.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  They had three kids.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  And those are our half brothers and sisters.

• 35:55Speaker 00

  Well, I didn't even go there. I just meant, like, the Valentinos, Bobby Womack, like, how many cousins do you all got?

• 36:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. My, my grandmother's, a lot of people don't know that our grandmother's brother is Don Cornelius. So I want to throw that out there, too. A lot of soul in the family.

• 36:11Speaker 05

  What?

• 36:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, our cousin Tony just hit me a couple of days ago, right?

• 36:17Speaker 04

  Wow!

• 36:18Speaker 00

  Okay. Oh, man, I hate when I'm not, when I'm knocked off my professional, like, I'm just like, so tell me more, guy.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Um, no one knows that, you know?

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Just like, I didn't know that that was your family in that photo.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  I've seen that photo my whole life.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  That is crazy.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Really?

• 36:35Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 36:36Speaker 00

  My mom is gonna love this episode.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Oh, yes.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 36:40Speaker 00

  All right, at what point are you leaving the family business and finding your own steps? Like, at what point is it like, is it like, I'm gonna go solo? I'm gonna go solo, I'm gonna go solo, or we should be a duo, we should be a trio? Where's the genesis of the Womack sisters?

• 36:57Speaker 04

  Wow, I think it was coming to the States. Not, Bee Gees started that.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay, so.

• 37:01Speaker 00

  And you had another name as well, right?

• 37:03Speaker 03

  So our dad put us together initially as Egyptian Queen.

• 37:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was gonna say, what was the initial?

• 37:10Speaker 03

  He was recording us at the house, just kind of like, writing songs for us, getting us in the idea of being a group, you know? Letting us open for their show.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  I think them going to Egypt, too, inspired the name, too.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. They wanted us to have that statuessestness of a queen, so.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  They, they named us Egyptian Queen. And we went to a couple of places to, you know, check things out. Our father always influenced us to not get into a contract with anyone. He was always saying, don't sign anything. He said, just figure out who you are, figure out your sound, do it as much as you can by yourself first, because then you can mold who you are and what you want to be.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  So I think we had finished up one of their, um, they were doing independent music at the time, because they were kind of like, hmm, these labels is just.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were done with the labels.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I was, I was engineering for my dad, and we were recording in Phuket. And, yeah, like, he had me up for, like, 16 days straight. And I was like, oh, my God. After this, I'm taking a break, you know? So I was like, we gotta, we gotta call your other dude back. I need a vacation. So I went, we went back to London. And I was just like, I, I started chatting online with my brother Meach, Meach Wells, who's a producer in LA.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  He was working with Snoop Dogg and.

• 38:33Speaker 05

  Don't forget about Patrick with the underdog.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 05

  He inspired us coming back to the States as well.

• 38:38Speaker 00

  Really?

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and I was like.

• 38:40Speaker 05

  Adele Smith was working with us on our dance moves and stuff. And we were like, you know what? We love this.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 05

  We need to, we need to pursue this.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  Every time we meet someone from America, we were like, wait a second, this feels like it's a kinder ship here. So we were like, we can imagine that if we could just get back there, we could kind of like find ourselves, you know?

• 38:56Speaker 03

  And I thought for sure that we could do a lot more networking, and then we could find ourselves here. So I sat down with my dad one day, and I said, you know, I think I'm, I'm thinking about striking out on my own. And he was like, where are you gonna go? And I was like, it's either California, I'm gonna post up in London. And he was like, you already did London, you know? Maybe California work out for you. We kind of struck out and left Ohio and went to California when Sam called us out. And our lives changed. And I was just like, okay, if I go to California, maybe my life will change. And he was like, he wished us luck. And I reached out to my brother, and I was like, can I stay with you when we come out?

• 39:40Speaker 03

  And he said, yeah, just come on out. And it, it was crazy, because we went to London, and somehow or another, the girls and like a couple of my brothers were like, we're going with you.

• 39:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  Oh, everyone saying along?

• 39:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. Take us for a walk.

• 39:58Speaker 03

  And my dad was like, okay, y'all gotta watch out for each other.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  Because really Bee Gees was going by herself. She was trying to strike out. We were like, if you're going, I'm going.

• 40:05Speaker 03

  Figure out who she is. Yeah, and they just kept following me.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  Hey, it seemed like a good idea.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  And you know what? To be honest with you, I wasn't comfortable being by myself either. So I'm happy that everybody came, you know?

• 40:16Speaker 00

  How jarring was it your first week? Like, really, in the United States as an adult?

• 40:24Speaker 03

  Oh, scary. It was kind of scary, but it was exciting, you know? Because I didn't know what I was gonna do, but I was like trying to figure it out. And we ended up meeting people in studios.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, we met, um, our first group of producers that we ended up making some demos with. We made demos with Meach, too. There's like a project that no one's heard that we recorded.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's very West Coast influence, you know? I was telling him at the time, I was like, I love this sound, but I, I just need to keep looking, you know, just to figure out what we can do.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, discovery.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, we did some, uh, we did some songs with Battle Cat. You know, that was very beautiful, because it was jazz influenced. And that's where I realized, oh, I like a little bit more musical instrumentation.

• 41:08Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  You know? Yeah, but we did all the open mics we could find.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, we did taverns, we did like little pubs.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  Everything.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  We were seeing in exchange for drinks and food.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  Which one did, um, get experience on our own? Because we were just so used to being with our parents. So everything was like kind of curated to them. But we were like, what does it look like for us?

• 41:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 42:33Speaker 00

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• 42:53Speaker 05

  I'm like a kid when, when I play music and I make music, and I'm constantly asking questions, you know? Whether it's an instrument I haven't played, or it's a melody that seems foreign. You know this, every night you play a show, and, and it's the same set, but it's not the same show. At a certain point, your brain kind of goes on autopilot. When I'm in the studio, or if I'm making music, that's where that curiosity kind of comes back, you know? I haven't lost it yet, but I'm also on my sophomore album, so. And you, you obviously are an expert here.

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• 44:40Speaker 00

  Oh, God, I can't believe I'm saying this. This is the first time I'm telling the story. There's an organization called Red Hot. The Red Hot Organization. They were raising money for AIDS research, especially in Africa and whatnot. And they would often do, each year, they would do a themed album. One year, DeAngelo and I did the Red Hot and Riot for Fela's music. The first year, I think it was Cole Porter in 92 or whatever. So this particular year, I think in 2000, they chose George Gershwin. And they were like, all right, let's pair the new with the veteran.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  And we remade Summertime with your Uncle Bobby.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 45:30Speaker 00

  And of course, there's a record release event where we're all going to perform together. And we're headlining. Like Bob is probably the most legendary artist of the whole lineup. But I mean, it was everyone, Michelle and DeGee, Chella was there. Like, there was a whole bunch of artists playing. And so we're going to do Summertime with them. And you know, the day before, we rehearsed it like three, two, three hours, knocked it out. Cool. Get the sound check, knocked it out. Cool. Okay, we're the Roots, okay? I'm the one member of the Roots that doesn't smoke weed. All right?

• 46:07Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  But my, the rest of my band is.

• 46:11Speaker 05

  Burning it up.

• 46:11Speaker 00

  Very, yeah.

• 46:14Speaker 00

  I don't know what happened between the sound check and the beginning of the show. However, when we played the opening band, and we, you know, we did the long intro band because he was going to come out and do his usual, let me tell you something. And he does this whole monologue thing. And we're playing the groove.

• 46:36Speaker 00

  Like, we're doing the buildup. Now, ladies and gentlemen, we have a legend in the house. You know him from the. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the legendary Bobby Womack. And we're playing the riff and riff and riff. And then like, okay, 20 seconds go by. And the riff, 40 seconds. Maybe here you say it again. All right, as I was saying, and we're just doing the riff.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  Somebody getting something. Did he ever come out?

• 47:09Speaker 00

  Cousin Jake.

• 47:10Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 47:11Speaker 00

  Have you ever seen The Jerk with Steve Martin? Do you know the very end of that movie? Where? Yeah. If you know, you know. It was some very strong weed.

• 47:25Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh.

• 47:29Speaker 05

  I can imagine.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Three times in my life, I've run off a stage. Weird enough, feastery incidents have happened in New York City, and Sixth Avenue is always my escape. We did a humiliating show once where we forgot all of Jay-Z's lyrics for like a tribute, where one of those like $50,000 play tables. And when it ended, I was, I ran out the door and just ran up Sixth Avenue.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  The second time.

• 47:58Speaker 05

  Get out.

• 48:00Speaker 00

  The second time that happens, mid voodoo recording, a figurehead. All I can say is that when I opened my drum booth, I took in secondhand crack smoke for the first time. Yeah, it turned, and I ran like, oh, I'm on drugs, I'm on drugs. However, the third time, my ass ran up. I thought they were going to throw us under the jail, and I want no parts of it. Yeah, he, the weed was a little too strong for Uncle Bobby. And the next thing I know, he falls out. I'm like, oh, my God, we killed Bobby Womack. And I ran offstage, ran down.

• 48:46Speaker 00

  All I know is that your cousins, they put him in the ambulance.

• 48:52Speaker 05

  God, no.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  In my outfit, running up Sixth Avenue. Yeah, basically, he.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  He was just high.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  That was some strong weed.

• 49:05Speaker 00

  Very strong.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  Part of me was like, I wonder if it was that. Because it was the least I know that it was like six women. Four of them were, you know, eight, nine, 10, 11. So I'm like, daddy, daddy. And I was like, oh, my God, I wonder if it was them that was also there.

• 49:28Speaker 05

  I would have remembered that. That sounds crazy.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Oh, they didn't forget. I've seen them throughout the years. Hey, remember that time he tried to go?

• 49:39Speaker 03

  We made a Christmas album in 2011, and that's when he invited us out to tour with him.

• 49:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, we actually didn't grow up, like, seeing him. Our dad, you know, they kind of raised us out of the States.

• 49:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 49:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, it was kind of like a new.

• 49:53Speaker 00

  I was going to say, how did you, were you at all familiar with any of your other family members? If you're not at home?

• 49:59Speaker 05

  Not really.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Just me. When we were younger, when we were younger, they would get together, family, you know? And we would have reunions. But it was like, our parents were always working, and we were in a bubble. Honestly, we didn't hang out too much with any of our cousins until we got back to America.

• 50:17Speaker 00

  Okay. So I know this was a long time coming as far as you guys forming the group, trying to find the right songs, trying to find the right sound, trying to find yourselves and all that stuff. And I know, like, how hard is it to convince labels that the way that you envision your creativity is the way to go? And I know, especially for black women, there's nothing worse than being ignored or unseen. So, you know, for a lot of your audience today, they might think like, oh, you guys just popped out of nowhere. And.

• 50:56Speaker 07

  No, it's been a grind.

• 50:57Speaker 00

  So how many years would you say is from soup to nuts to the point where you are now, where you're gaining a lot of momentum?

• 51:06Speaker 03

  I would say we really started taking control of things in around 2011.

• 51:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:11Speaker 03

  Right? Because we had decided at that point, because we had went around just prior to that, and went around to all the record labels that would see us. And it was the same thing.

• 51:22Speaker 05

  2008, started going to labels with the demos we created.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  It was all old school stuff.

• 51:27Speaker 05

  They didn't like it. They didn't, they didn't even like our live performance in the office. They were like, no class, they just walked out.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  It was tight.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, nobody was feeling it.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  We were not getting.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  They're like, these broads are not it.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  So how, how do you? Because oftentimes, like, when people get rejected, you know, it's disparaging. And like, so how do you ignore the voice that's sort of like?

• 51:58Speaker 00

  I give up, or this isn't working, and I could have went to college, or I could have. After ten years, after, like, how do you ignore that inner voice that says?

• 52:08Speaker 05

  I'm so glad that we had each other.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:11Speaker 05

  And then there is a voice in each one of ours heads that nobody can tell you what your life is supposed to be about.

• 52:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  And I'm so glad that the three of us have that, that that strong belief in ourselves.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  I thought it was just the wrong timing, maybe. I was like, okay, I know that we're we're capable of doing this. Maybe they just don't see the vision yet. And they're like, okay, maybe we should package it differently, or, you know.

• 52:32Speaker 00

  I also have come up with many artists, like, our journey starts in ninety-three. And I know artists that we came up with that are still like, nope, this is what I want. And I'm now learning how pivoting is important.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  Very much.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  If something doesn't work, okay, well, let me try it this way. Let me try it this way.

• 52:55Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  People like their comfort zone of what they built. How do you guys regroup and pivot? Like, the journey that led from the Legacy album to Here.

• 53:07Speaker 03

  We did make different music, and they responded a lot better to everything pop and everything a slightly more modern R and B.

• 53:14Speaker 00

  Because they're thinking of, we can sell this easy.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. So they were like, okay, now you're doing something, you know? And, um, yeah, they just weren't feeling the whole band vibe. We had a lot of tracks that we recorded over, like, we recorded this song over Green Onions, just to give them an understanding of where we were going.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Green Onions with lyrics?

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we were like, think of this.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  What the hell was that sound like?

• 53:35Speaker 03

  It was beautiful. We we did our own version of Eleanor Rigby.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  I saw it.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they were just like, oh, no. But they were like, okay, can you work with this producer, though? And we pivoted. We were like, okay. You know, let's do that. Maybe we'll do the songwriting thing, or.

• 53:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, unfortunately, what I learned is, um, with the rare exception of maybe a Jimmy Jam, a lot of the execs in music.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:01Speaker 00

  Film is different, but music is, and I don't know if I'm to blame for it, like, people like me that that care and love music so much, like, we're supposed to be in those gatekeeping executive positions, but, you know, our stubbornness to not get out the game and move will now render that a person, a suit, now gets it, and that suit has to answer to the corporation.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. And they want their bottom line. And they also want you to work with people they've already invested in.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  Right. So where you are now creatively?

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Where we started. We came back. We were like, well.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, we just returned, and then we were like, if they don't like us like this, then it's whatever.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  Before it got given to Zendaya.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:49Speaker 05

  Our A and R recorded that on us the exact same way.

• 54:53Speaker 03

  It was beautiful.

• 54:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, we tried different stuff, and, yeah.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  And even Legacy, Legacy, all those songs are remakes because they weren't modern enough. So, yeah, we, I actually went back in the studio, like, one, actually, I wasn't even in the studio. But, um, I had recorded A Change Is Gonna Come, and it was just all live instruments, and they were like, no, this one's not gonna work. So I had to, we had to go back in one week before it came out and just throw a track on it. And I was just like, okay, this sounds good, too. So we just go with that because the people who are funding it were like, we're not gonna, we're not gonna pay for that.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, the strings and all, yeah.

• 55:29Speaker 03

  And it was, it was a, it was a long battle to find a label like Daptone, where they were like, oh, you're gonna send a band out with us? You know, or we're gonna record in the studio with musicians, not just, you know? Because I love all kinds of music, like, I'm a hip-hop fan, I'm a pop fan, I love country music. But like, what we wanted to do was soul from day one, and it was just, no, no, no, no, no. So, you know, after a while, you start.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're just like, I don't care if you don't like this. I'm gonna do it because it makes me happy.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. So Legacy got us a lot of attention from labels. So there was like a bidding war going on, and we still went with Daptone.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. Because we realized, like, that's really, really where we belong, like, we can grow there.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  Creatively.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we felt like, okay, we've created the hype we need to create.

• 56:16Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. It really was a remix. Those songs.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  All of them.

• 56:20Speaker 05

  Were tied up in a lawsuit, so we had to pretty much throw out a cheap remix.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  We were so disappointed.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  So there is.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  Not all of them.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, not all of them. There's other versions of everything. Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  Particularly for Legacy, right?

• 56:34Speaker 03

  We've recorded these songs about three times over.

• 56:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Just simply because of the genre.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  In various ways, in various arrangements.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. And a few of them, it was like, we either have to move with this right now, because we like to take our time in the mixing process, making everything right, you know? And everyone was like, we need to get this out now, you know? And and it was, it was a very discouraging experience for our first time working with, you know, somebody, somebody funding it other than us. Because with Darling, we got to fund that.

• 57:04Speaker 04

  Something we love about Basco Man is we took our time with this record. It took about two years, like, to really finish it.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  No, from the time we signed to the time it came out, it took two years. But I'd say we spent about, huh?

• 57:15Speaker 04

  Well, you know, it had been the process of it.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  First meeting him, we had to record two songs.

• 57:18Speaker 03

  It was even longer than that, actually, because we did a few of the songs back in.

• 57:22Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm not even talking about the first time we met him. Yeah, we met up, we just met up for like.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  We met him right after Darling.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:28Speaker 04

  For a straight year, we were just meeting up, listening to music, like, vinyls and stuff.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  We had signed to somebody because Gabe was still healing from losing Sharon.

• 57:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:36Speaker 05

  So we went with this guy that really believed in us. He was very amazing, but he didn't handle the business right. Whole songs, all the songs we recorded in Atlanta.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  They kind of got tied up.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Tied up in a bad deal. So we couldn't use any of that stuff. That's why Legacy came out. It was kind of like a, I call it a cheap remix of the stuff.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  Not all of it, though, yes, because Darling and Block were.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, some of the songs, some of the songs were in the demo condition.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  You know, but we had planned to go in and add more, and it just wasn't there. And we realized, we're gonna need somebody to stand behind us on this.

• 58:12Speaker 00

  So coming to Daptone, how many of the songs did you, what's the division of labor as far as, like, the process of writing the songs?

• 58:22Speaker 03

  Long conversations about where we are in life.

• 58:25Speaker 05

  Right. Gabe on his guitar.

• 58:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, just sitting, sitting with Basco Man. It was like.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  Talking about his life stories.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  Yep, his life stories, our life stories. And then how that comes together is like the end result.

• 58:38Speaker 00

  So is there a connection with Chilfer, especially with the way the video?

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, that song.

• 58:44Speaker 00

  Tell me the story, please. Tell me the story.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  Yes. When we decided we weren't gonna take any of these bogus weird deals, you know, or or sacrifice our sound, we said, well, we have to support ourselves somehow.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  But still have freedom to get out there and do the shows.

• 59:00Speaker 00

  Right. Well, you don't have to answer somebody.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and make, make our content, you know, keep things going.

• 59:05Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  And I I started Ubering, you know, because before that I was doing elderly care, and I was locked up for a week, you know?

• 59:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was tough, too. You get attached to people when you're taking care of them, and to lose them, that was stressful. Yeah.

• 59:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. So we all started, actually, Ubering and just different apps, like these, these amazing apps we have now.

• 59:25Speaker 05

  It allowed us to do the music when we needed to, because working a regular job, they always try to control your hours. Even if you give them that prior notice, they're like, oh, we're gonna fire you. You're taking off too much. So thank God for the apps, cleaning jobs. We just hustled it up.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, stuff we could do at night was helpful, you know, so.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  I'm going to carefully ask this question, very respectfully. You know, on on this platform, I I mentioned a lot about epigenetics in terms of, you know, we all carry the trauma of, since our ancestors got here, to our grandparents, to, to our families, to us now. And of course, you know, most musicologists know every aspect of tragedy and controversy that's hit your family before it even came on earth.

• 1:00:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:16Speaker 00

  And what I really love about what you guys just represent is that I feel that you guys are, I I guess you could say, the generational healing of a story. And, you know, I'm on the socials, so I've seen wild takes of your uncle's memoir and all the, you know, all the stories and whatnot. Like, how do you honor the beautiful part of the legacy? Without having to carry the weight? And the thing is, is that, look, I've been completely transparent on this platform, like,

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  the pandemic put me through, like, I had to get a lot of therapy and all that stuff.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that was crazy, right?

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  I understand.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  But it was necessary. I believe that, once we get to the 30s and the 40s, we'll look at the 20s and like, wow, that was the most healing, like, for those that did the work. But for you guys, being aware of what is being passed down to you guys, what does healing look like? And what does breaking, I mean, this is your mere existence now, is breaking the cycle. But, you know, was your mom instrumental in, like, protecting you guys in this business in ways that none of your family was protected?

• 1:01:40Speaker 03

  I feel like she was. Um, that, that was probably, that was probably why she.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  You're talking about our careers?

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  No, I'm just talking about as far as being exposed to whatever drama was going on in the family.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  We were never spoken to about any drama.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  They kept it on a positive note, you know? I know that, um, our Uncle Bob and our dad, you know, were estranged for a little while.

• 1:02:02Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  And we never were told why.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. They had a very classy way of being like, okay, you know, this is the reason, but we're not gonna go too far into it.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, the, coming back to America, very late into the process of going into music, we really didn't understand a lot of what had happened prior to our existence.

• 1:02:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  You know, some of this stuff, we're finding out, you know?

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  Well, I will say, in terms of protection over the family, our, our, our grandfather, actually, was one of the, our mother used to tell us this all the time. He was like, you know, I've seen women be treated a certain way in this industry. And he was like, it's not gonna happen to you. And so, she then passed it on to us. She was like, you know, you need to make sure that you're in the right environments. You're not caught in certain rooms. You get out of there after a certain hour, you know? So, I always had that in the back of my head.

• 1:02:54Speaker 00

  And protecting yourself.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. And staying together with people you can trust, which was basically your brothers and sisters. You know, our dad used to always tell us to stay together. And, yeah, just keep your guard up. You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people out there trying to take advantage of you. They're dangling a carrot of some kind of success. I, I feel like I was expecting this to take a while because our, my father was very honest. He was like, it, it's gonna be a long time. Like, they're gonna, they're gonna hold you out. Like, you just have to keep going, you know? Because he's like, they did it to me. He showed me exactly how many people he tried to pitch Love TKO to and, and did not work out. You know? But he said, when it finally came through, it came through.

• 1:03:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  Just stick with it. Your time is your time. You'll get it.

• 1:03:39Speaker 00

  Beautiful.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Speaker 00

  When your father passed in 2013?

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  How were you guys able to regroup as a family and take care of things? Like, where's your mom live now?

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  She's in Bali, between Bali and London. And our sister, she still lives overseas in London, you know? They came back a couple of times after our father passed. But, you know, she just went into her retreat at that point mentally and emotionally. She needed to take that time for herself. And we, we were kind of spiraling, to be honest with you, after our father passed.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was a bit of a moment there. It kind of just had to, like, sit, you know? I actually got some therapy, too, just, because it's a lot. You grow up with someone so close to you, and then all of a sudden, they're no longer around. So, you're just trying to figure out, like, what does that mean for your life?

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was crazy to not have that connection anymore. And it felt like the family was missing the glue, you know?

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  Where were his services? Like, what city? I don't know where he passed away.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, South Africa.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was, he was, he was cremated, and he wanted his ashes spread in the Nile River.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Nice, okay.

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• 1:06:10Speaker 06

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• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  In regrouping, like, I love the fact that you guys covered, uh, Teardrops.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  You know, it's so weird, I, I didn't realize, Teardrops was, was it a top 10 hit in London?

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I think it reached number two, uh, because of worldwide chart.

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  I was so unaware of that. In my mind, I knew it as an album cut, but just not knowing.

• 1:08:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that made their success.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. That song was huge.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  It kept us living. Like, we went through a period of time where, um, two of the record, well, one of the record companies that my parents were signed to, um, unfortunately, you know, you know all the businesses. They were collecting, dropped the contract, still collecting, new labels collecting. That song kept us afloat. Like, people wanted to see them everywhere because of that song.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Speaker 00

  I was absolutely unaware, because even when you covered it, I was like, wow!

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  You're doing Teardrops, so how unusual. And then when I went online, I was like, wait a minute, how come I didn't know? You know, I was, I was never, I was always an album person. As a DJ, I had 12 inches and whatnot, but I just hardly, never knew that. But I love the way that you guys honored.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:09:04Speaker 00

  The, the, the history with that. Is there a song that's the hardest to record emotionally? Like, and who did, how do you decide who shares the lead and who gets lead and who sings background? Like, as far as their vocal arrangements are concerned?

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  We'll play with it for a little while.

• 1:09:23Speaker 04

  Play with it. You first didn't try it. He's most passionate about that, their singing.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  We'll all kind of test it out. And at the end of it, we'll come together and we'll either say, this feels like Moni. This feels like Kucha.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  Sometimes we've recut stuff, like, we might have one person sing a lead.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  There's all versions.

• 1:09:39Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. There's a couple of versions of all the songs.

• 1:09:41Speaker 00

  That's gonna be, nice, I like this.

• 1:09:44Speaker 03

  For real, but, you know, it has a lot to do with range and style, too. A song kind of calls to you when you know you can do it. You know, step up.

• 1:09:54Speaker 00

  All right, I want to do a lightning round thing.

• 1:09:57Speaker 04

  Okay, this is fun.

• 1:09:58Speaker 00

  Who is the voice of reason of the three?

• 1:10:01Speaker 03

  Me.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  You're the center, you're the anchor?

• 1:10:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, she is. I keep them calm.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  She's a peacemaker, too.

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  She's like water and fire over here.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Literally our star sign. You know.

• 1:10:13Speaker 05

  Well, I'm an Aries and she's a Gemini. So, you know.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  So I'm the one to bring it all in.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  The way Kill Bill's Ironside just came out.

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  Right?

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:10:32Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  Are you June Gemini?

• 1:10:36Speaker 05

  Yes. Seven.

• 1:10:39Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:10:44Speaker 00

  Wow. What are you?

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Virgo.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  I feel like it's quite true to me.

• 1:10:50Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm an August Virgo, but I feel like in terms of like, like not controlling, but I'm I like things to be where they should be. And I like I like structure. I like to know what I'm doing.

• 1:11:02Speaker 00

  You're OCD?

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  Little bit.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  Got it. What hidden talents do you guys have that's non-musical?

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  Oh, we love to cook.

• 1:11:11Speaker 00

  Who's the best cook?

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  Me.

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  It's all the time. I love Jamaican food, so nobody's cooking Jamaican food like me.

• 1:11:17Speaker 05

  You know, it's Kucha when it comes to Jamaican food.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  We'll all cook our own separate dishes, like.

• 1:11:21Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:11:21Speaker 03

  At the end of the day, I would say, because I've eaten their food so much.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  Really good at Italian food.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  I'm really good at Italian food. Kucha loves Caribbean food. Monty has these clean, beautiful steak dishes.

• 1:11:34Speaker 05

  Lobster.

• 1:11:35Speaker 03

  But we're dead. I would say we all pretty good because our dad was, you know.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  He had us in the kitchen like we were chefs.

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  He was like, everybody's doing this. You're doing pates.

• 1:11:43Speaker 05

  He really was. He was so serious about getting the food on the table when it was hot. I felt like we were in.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  It really was like being on a line.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  Well, what is the, well, not that I would expect you to. I mean, some people still use Thanksgiving as a family gathering time. So what is the whatever family gathering holiday you choose? What is that like?

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  Everybody's on the same page.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  Basically, yeah, for sure.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll go all out.

• 1:12:12Speaker 04

  But it could just be like a random Sunday.

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  And all that stuff, you have the tree.

• 1:12:17Speaker 04

  For us, our parents were, um.

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  So we didn't celebrate any holidays, no birthdays, no nothing. But when we grew up, we started saying, okay, we deserve a birthday. See some lights up, you know?

• 1:12:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Speaker 00

  Um, which member has the oddest hobby? Archery, fire eating, skydiving?

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:12:41Speaker 00

  Knife throwing.

• 1:12:42Speaker 04

  I love all this. We need to get into it.

• 1:12:44Speaker 03

  I actually love archery, you know, if that's an odd hobby. I'm good, yeah.

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  We were breeding Pomeranians at one point. That was really cool.

• 1:12:53Speaker 05

  I mean.

• 1:12:54Speaker 04

  It was fun, yeah.

• 1:12:56Speaker 05

  It's a great hustle, too.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:57Speaker 05

  It was.

• 1:12:58Speaker 00

  You're the most interesting people I've ever met in my life. That's awesome. Living across the globe. Uh, which one of you three has mastered the most languages?

• 1:13:09Speaker 05

  Probably.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  A little bit of everything, but I don't, don't, don't ask me anything.

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  All right, what do you dabble in? How many languages can you?

• 1:13:20Speaker 04

  I know Thai the most.

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Surviving, okay.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  Because we lived there for so long.

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  I, yeah, I passed the class. I don't know that I remember anything.

• 1:13:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:13:32Speaker 05

  I'm a little French.

• 1:13:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Speaker 05

  French.

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  I can survive in Thailand.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  Nitnoi.

• 1:13:39Speaker 00

  Okay, you?

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  Hood.

• 1:13:41Speaker 00

  You're just a Gemini.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:13:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  All right, I got you.

• 1:13:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  In this part of the journey, which hero figure or historical figure or just straight up peer? Kind of rendered you speechless? I mean, I know you guys just opened for Al Green.

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  But, I mean.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  A poet. He's amazing.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  Gosh, there, there are a few people who really noticed us early on. Ah, God.

• 1:14:14Speaker 04

  People that we've met?

• 1:14:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  Okay, I was gonna say Maya Angelou, but I've met her. I love her, though. She inspires me.

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  Okay, I thought you meant you met her, okay.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  No, no, I wish.

• 1:14:25Speaker 03

  We really, honestly, I was so surprised and and really honored that Solange came and reached.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  Because we're, you know, we're big fans of hers.

• 1:14:34Speaker 00

  That's how I knew you guys existed, okay. She came to you guys?

• 1:14:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:38Speaker 00

  Oh, word, okay.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  You know, and, um, and we were like, oh, my Lord.

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:14:42Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 1:14:43Speaker 03

  It was just great to be involved, you know, and it felt like we were being embraced, you know, because we hadn't felt embraced, you know? So, yeah, she really understood. She understood us.

• 1:14:55Speaker 00

  For you three individually, what would you say, I mean, besides the present, because we're living in the present? What year is your favorite year ever as far as like fond memories or just?

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:15:12Speaker 04

  Well, I'm a mother, so I have to talk about the years that I became a mother of two amazing little girls.

• 1:15:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:18Speaker 04

  So twenty twenty-four, of course, was a great year, and then twenty twenty-six, you know, I had a little, little lady.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  I know this is gonna sound strange, but it was like twenty twenty.

• 1:15:27Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:15:30Speaker 03

  It was, it was very, I felt like my life became a little unhinged, but I grew the most in that year of my life, you know? And I felt like a lot of doors were opening for me at that time.

• 1:15:44Speaker 05

  And I'd have to say twenty seventeen.

• 1:15:46Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:49Speaker 05

  Personal life and us finally investing in our music and putting it out with Darling.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true. We took, we took control.

• 1:15:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  We were like, we're tired of you guys not believing in us. We're gonna pay for our own stuff.

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  Who wakes up the earliest?

• 1:16:04Speaker 05

  Me.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Them kids, I got, I got a toddler and an infant, so yeah, I gotta be up. I don't go to sleep.

• 1:16:14Speaker 00

  Well, who's the nocturnal one? Who's the one that is?

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  I'm not nocturnal. I'm sleepy all the time.

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  I'm, I'll go to bed at like three.

• 1:16:24Speaker 00

  AM? Why we're the same person, okay.

• 1:16:29Speaker 00

  What song makes you cry every time you hear it?

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 1:16:36Speaker 05

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:16:37Speaker 00

  Is there a song that has the power to bring you to tears?

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  There's a song called Story, Story Night.

• 1:16:44Speaker 00

  Who sings it?

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  It's Vincent, right?

• 1:16:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's called Vincent. And, um, me and my dad used to listen to that all the time.

• 1:16:51Speaker 05

  I think it's Is It Love by, um, by Marley. It brings me like a joyful cry.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  Oh, it's beautiful.

• 1:16:58Speaker 00

  Okay. An act of God, well, you guys just escaped the tsunami. An act of God is about to wipe away your entire house and you have forty-five seconds to grab one item. A non-human item.

• 1:17:15Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:17:16Speaker 00

  I know you're instantly like.

• 1:17:17Speaker 05

  I was gonna say my dog.

• 1:17:20Speaker 00

  A non-life album, but a, a, a material item. You have forty-five seconds to grab one material item.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  One thing?

• 1:17:27Speaker 00

  What is it?

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  I think I grabbed my phone. I hate to say it. I can't live without it. It's always somewhere.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  I'm grabbing my dad's guitar.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  I can't.

• 1:17:36Speaker 05

  My God, a material item.

• 1:17:38Speaker 00

  That acoustic guitar?

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gave me his acoustic, his electric and his bass, so I'll go with, I'll, I'll grab the acoustic guitar.

• 1:17:46Speaker 00

  Nice, okay.

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  Well, I don't know. That's still spiritual, right? Ashes?

• 1:17:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, you mean?

• 1:17:54Speaker 00

  You, you have his ashes?

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  I have my husband's ashes.

• 1:17:58Speaker 00

  Your husband's ashes?

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:59Speaker 00

  Okay, that's the first thing you grab?

• 1:18:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  That's beautiful.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  What is the last concert that you truly enjoyed as a fan?

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  Oh, The Sacred Souls.

• 1:18:10Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, yeah. We were on tour with them, but we were like in awe.

• 1:18:15Speaker 00

  Like you guys are there.

• 1:18:18Speaker 05

  Because we're fans.

• 1:18:22Speaker 03

  We had their records. We were listening to the music before, so we were just like happy to be on the side of the stage.

• 1:18:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:30Speaker 00

  Well, you guys said that you didn't watch TV, but I was gonna say, now that you're in America. What television show are you ashamed to say that you secretly watch?

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  Love Island?

• 1:18:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:43Speaker 05

  I was watching Love and Hip Hop, not gonna lie.

• 1:18:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  Love and, love.

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  Ashamed to admit or just we like?

• 1:18:50Speaker 05

  Is that ashamed?

• 1:18:50Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, well.

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  Because I'm gonna say Love and Hip Hop, too, I'm sorry.

• 1:18:56Speaker 05

  It's a little crazy.

• 1:18:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, you let somebody comes to me, I turn it down.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  I'm obsessed with Love Island, so.

• 1:19:00Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  Oh, I love Love Island. I'm not ashamed of that at all. Oh, but can I go back?

• 1:19:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  Because we came to the Fabulous Roots show with Nas.

• 1:19:09Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, that was incredible.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  In San Diego.

• 1:19:14Speaker 00

  Reach out to me?

• 1:19:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, you didn't get, we didn't get to see you there.

• 1:19:18Speaker 04

  Dancing all the way to the end. So I'm gonna say, I need to add that in there. That was the show right there.

• 1:19:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was the most, that was the most recent.

• 1:19:28Speaker 03

  The reason that, that reason that kind of left my mind is because we did not know that we were going to that show until the day of.

• 1:19:37Speaker 00

  So we were on town at the same time?

• 1:19:38Speaker 04

  We were. We performed the next day after y'all.

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  We performed the next day.

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, we were out there cutting a rug. We getting down. It was amazing. We have live energy.

• 1:19:48Speaker 00

  All right, well, wow, thank you. I appreciate that. Who is the most famous person in your phone?

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  Oh, God, can we say that?

• 1:19:57Speaker 00

  Oh, pass?

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Uh, wait, okay.

• 1:19:59Speaker 04

  Eddie Murphy?

• 1:20:00Speaker 00

  All right, does he send you a lot of GIFs and memes and like clips?

• 1:20:06Speaker 04

  We used to work with him. We sung background, so it's like, it's more of like a business slash friendship. It's nothing like crazy.

• 1:20:12Speaker 03

  No, it's definitely a casual, kind of like.

• 1:20:15Speaker 00

  Because he texts me like a thirteen-year-old, like it's every day is just new, new GIFs, new YouTube clips.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 1:20:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:20:25Speaker 05

  Johnny's a homie.

• 1:20:27Speaker 00

  All right. What is your last meal on earth?

• 1:20:30Speaker 05

  Pad Thai noodles.

• 1:20:33Speaker 04

  Fried chicken, peas and rice.

• 1:20:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  That's a good one.

• 1:20:37Speaker 03

  I'm having a seafood boil, heavy on the snow crab.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 1:20:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  Y'all make me hungry.

• 1:20:46Speaker 05

  Honestly, yeah, you know what? Even though I love Pad Thai.

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  You want seafood boil, too?

• 1:20:52Speaker 05

  Fogo de chow is like.

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  Ah, you should go there all the time.

• 1:20:58Speaker 05

  Y'all be getting down up in there.

• 1:20:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:21:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:00Speaker 00

  That's it?

• 1:21:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:01Speaker 00

  That's the last meal? All right, tell the truth. Are there various, and the key word is various, are there various Womack group chats in which one sibling is left out of the others?

• 1:21:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's me. I don't really like texting. I like personal, like talking on the phone.

• 1:21:25Speaker 00

  Like I know there's like nine roots chats because there's one where we might talk shit about Tariq. There's one where they definitely talk shit about me and.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  Sometimes we don't include them.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  No, yeah, because usually they've done something, we have to talk about it.

• 1:21:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, now we're talking about him, so we can't have him on the group chat.

• 1:21:43Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:21:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're a mess.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  Our brother.

• 1:21:46Speaker 05

  Real stress.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  They definitely, they work.

• 1:21:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:50Speaker 03

  We loved him, though.

• 1:21:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, definitely loved.

• 1:21:53Speaker 00

  Finally, now that you are on solid ground.

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:57Speaker 00

  And that you guys are getting a lot of traction.

• 1:22:04Speaker 00

  What are your hopes or dreams for the future as far as manifesting? What is it, where is it that you would like to go?

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  Wow, just more touring, you know, we wanna, we wanna get out and tour.

• 1:22:20Speaker 05

  Put out more albums.

• 1:22:21Speaker 03

  Put out more albums.

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  Definitely.

• 1:22:23Speaker 03

  You know, keep connecting with people who love our music.

• 1:22:26Speaker 05

  Keep doing amazing content.

• 1:22:27Speaker 03

  Yep, yeah, and we just wanna remain happy.

• 1:22:31Speaker 05

  Kendrick Lamar, if at all is possible.

• 1:22:33Speaker 00

  Hey.

• 1:22:34Speaker 05

  And we would love to be on the FNT runway show.

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:38Speaker 05

  That would be an honor.

• 1:22:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:22:41Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:22:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. And we would love to do something with you in the studio. That would really be an honor.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 1:22:46Speaker 00

  I'm.

• 1:22:46Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 1:22:47Speaker 00

  I'm honored.

• 1:22:48Speaker 05

  Yes, we really would.

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  Really shocked I got through this in one piece. I was really nervous about this interview.

• 1:22:54Speaker 05

  Same here, because you're a legend in our eyes.

• 1:22:56Speaker 03

  We were just like, oh, mess up.

• 1:22:57Speaker 00

  I'm a major, major fan, so I wanted to.

• 1:22:59Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:23:00Speaker 00

  Still be professional and really, I thank you guys for your gift. I thank you guys for sticking to your guns. And, you know, as I said, I try not to sound like the grumpy old guy that always complains about the state of music. And I know for a lot of black artists in fight or flight, like there's, there's the need to survive first. And often in our need to survive, we will tend to compromise our creativity. And, you know, oftentimes I will hear all artists always say like, well, you know, I wish I had it like y'all. Like y'all get to do what y'all want and that or another. But I, I love that you guys are sticking to your guns.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  And I'm just praying that the creative osmosis effect runs off. Ladies and gentlemen, these are the Womack Sisters. I want you to run and see them live, support them, and I thank you for coming on my show.

• 1:23:57Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:23:57Speaker 05

  Thank you so much.

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  What a dream.

• 1:24:00Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:24:00Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 1:24:01Speaker 05

  True.

• 1:24:01Speaker 00

  All right, I'll see you on the next go round. Thank you.

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