DJ Cash Money Backstage At The Roots Picnic

The LEGENDARY DJ Cash Money joins Questlove live from the 2026 Roots Picnic at Philadelphia’s historic Belmont Plateau for a mini masterclass on the city’s turntablism legacy. A renowned turntable wizard, collector, and beacon of Philly Hip-Hop history, Cash traces the city’s evolution from Grandmaster Nell and Cosmic Kev at Hotel Philadelphia to the birth of the Transformer scratch at Central High—breaking down how Philly quietly rewrote the rules of the DJ. Cash also traces his own evolution from house party selector to technical innovator, inspired by Latin Rascals edits, Gemini mixers, and his own dancer’s sense of rhythm. Along the way, he reveals the wild story behind his “Pump Me Up” routine, which later found its way into Public Enemy’s “Fight the Power” and the Def Comedy Jam theme. This mini-episode is merely an appetizer for a much bigger discussion to come. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Okay, ladies and gentlemen, this is the Questlove Show, and this one is for me. All right, this is for me, not you, this is for me. We are live here in the illustrious Republic of Philadelphia circa 2026. It is a beautiful last day of May, intro to summer. We are live at the Belmont Plateau, and there's a very, very specific reason why we chose this particular ground that we're on to give you the presentation of what we now know as the Roots Picnic, the 19th Annual Roots Picnic. This place has history from Philadelphia.

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  What Sedgway Avenue means for hip-hop in the Bronx, I will say that for Philadelphia, this particular ground that we're on is a seminal destination for just a lot of the hip-hop that raised us. And I cannot imagine another figure that should be on everyone's Mount Rushmore. In terms of turntableism, creativity, pushing the envelope forward, things that you take for granted that you didn't know about, our guest today has pioneered. And as I've said on this show for 10 years, oftentimes, the pioneers never get the flowers, they never get the credit.

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  It's usually the person that comes second or third that will look at the blueprint and say, oh, this is what I would do, and then they get the glory. But this is one of those moments in which we can elevate and correct hip-hop history. This gentleman, if you ask any turntableist worth their grain of salt, who is the DJ that inspired them? I assure you, if that DJ is worth their name and a grain of salt in terms of turntableism, our guest today will be mentioned in that list. And his name is the one and only DJ Cash Money. Now, I'm giving you a warning. All right, welcome to the show.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Thank you, brother, man.

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  I'm going to do a proper DJ Cash Money episode, only because just next to Bismarck, I don't know another person that has out-nerded me on collecting. Like, on pop culture alone, we can go along, but on history, we can go along. I want to do a very, and the reason why I said this is for me is because I've been dying to get someone else's perspective from Philadelphia to give me the history that I've been dying to know. I grew up on these tapes, listening, and now I get a chance to tell you. First of all, one, welcome to the show. Sorry for that long.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  It's all good, man.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  Your flowers are way overdue. I want to know, what does the plat mean to you in terms of your art form and the history that is Philadelphia and turntableism?

• 4:59Speaker 03

  This is where I started. I mean, we were out here, and I haven't been out here in years, but we came out here on Saturdays and Sundays. It wasn't about money, you know? Big shout out to all the guys that brought their equipment out for us to spin on.

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  Okay, take me from soup to nuts. Okay, let's make this May 30, 1987.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

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  86, 87.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  Right.

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  What constitutes a, I'm gonna DJ at the plat? Like.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Well, first of all.

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  Why, why was the plat the chosen spot?

• 5:31Speaker 03

  I don't know. I just know that was a meeting place when I was young. It was all about trying to find some girls. You know, that's what was the force for being out there.

• 5:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, everything starts with trying to find girls.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:43Speaker 00

  Right.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  So, there was somebody that set up their speakers and stuff and had turntables, and then they just allowed us to jump on.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  So, there was no city noise ordinance or like?

• 5:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:57Speaker 00

  Well, where would you get outlets to even set things up? Generators?

• 6:00Speaker 03

  They had generators.

• 6:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Disco Rat, but it had an ice cream truck. Yeah, and he had the speakers in there.

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  If you can briefly give me, because the thing is, every time I'm online or whatever, I'm trying to tell people how pioneering Philadelphia is to turntableism culture.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Right.

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  And those that know, all the DNC champions have said, look, you've been an inspiration, if not you, Jeff, or whatever.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Right.

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  Tell me what it is, like, for me, my Mount Rushmore, you, Jeff, I would put Cosmic Kev in there. Like, for you, can you school me on, like, how did turntable culture hit Philly first in a way that it hasn't hit other markets?

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  I think, you know, I gotta go back.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  Yes, go back.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Okay. Grandmaster Nell.

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  Yes.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Cosmic Kev.

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  Okay.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Where the kings of Philly. Like, we used to go to their parties at the Hotel Philadelphia. And, and I gotta say this about Nell. Nell was like Cyrus from The Warriors.

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  Okay.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Wherever Nell went, South Philly was right there with, like, supporting him, like.

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  What year is this?

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  81?

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  Okay.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  Now, 80?

• 7:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Because I was still in high school.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  Got you.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, so he had Hotel Philadelphia jam-packed.

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  Where's Hotel Philadelphia?

• 7:25Speaker 03

  It was on Broad Street.

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  Okay.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a big, big building.

• 7:29Speaker 00

  So, we started downtown, okay?

• 7:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, man, so he had that, and, um.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  In a ballroom or?

• 7:34Speaker 03

  It was a big ballroom.

• 7:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, he didn't have no record. He didn't have no recorded material. He just had a name and the respect that he had from everybody from South Philly. It was like a mob that were following him, man.

• 7:47Speaker 00

  So, this is 81, though, which kind of means that maybe there's 30, 40 hip-hop records or whatever? Like, what's being played that could sustain an entire night of dancing and fun?

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Do You Wanna Go Party by KC and the Sunshine Band.

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  Okay.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  A Ring My Bell.

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  So, Soup Disco is?

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  Disco, yes.

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  Okay.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  Then you had those, you know, of course, Sugar Hill Gang.

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  Right.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  You know, that type of stuff. But, man, it was, he was cutting up disco breaks.

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  Okay.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:19Speaker 00

  So, like Groove to Get Down and?

• 8:21Speaker 03

  Yes, all that stuff.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  Breaks, let's dance to the drummer's beat and?

• 8:24Speaker 03

  But he was doing it, like, of course, Flash and what they were doing up in New York was, was our inspiration. But what Nell was doing, he was more, getting more technical with it.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  And Kev was extremely technical with it. Like, Kev had this scratch, we always called it a Pat Scratch. Like, if he took, it's time, he'd go, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's time. Like, I never heard anybody do that at that time.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  Really?

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Yes, plus, we didn't have the equipment that, you know, the bells and whistles they have today. You're dealing with maybe a big mixer.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  How hard were, were the mixers to?

• 8:59Speaker 03

  All the way.

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  Mixers were you guys using back then?

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Definitely Geminis, but they were the real big Geminis that probably had the Echo on there. Yeah, I can't remember what, um, I had those mixers as well. Um, Gemini mixers, definitely Technics 1200.

• 9:13Speaker 00

  Okay, so what year would a mixer that you're accustomed to? I know, like, in the early stages of hip-hop, you guys were using anything just to, you know?

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 9:24Speaker 00

  Nobbs or whatever?

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 9:26Speaker 00

  But for you, what was the year in which, like, technology is finally catching up in terms of, like, this is a, the Gemini, like, when did the standard Gemini mixer?

• 9:40Speaker 03

  For me personally, it was all I could afford. Right, it was probably like about $75.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Radio Shack?

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Uh, no, I never had a Radio Shack mixer.

• 9:50Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I never had, never had a Radio Shack mixer. It was definitely.

• 9:53Speaker 00

  Then I'm acquiring at a Radio Shack, like, where would you get a Gemini mixer?

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Sound of Market.

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  Okay.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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  Electronics.

• 10:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, Funko Mart, definitely.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  Right, got you.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  So, we would buy this mixer, it was all I could afford, and I treated it the best I could. I mean, I put, you know, WD-40 in there to try to loosen up the faders and stuff. And then, uh, come to find out, I was wondering why I was getting oil marks on my shirt.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Because the oil just stayed at the bottom of it. And then my cousin told me I need to use non-residue spray, tuning spray, which would dry up.

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  Okay, I hope you can give me this answer.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  Go ahead.

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  As a West Philadelphian, I lived in 52nd Street.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

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  And I would take the train to school. And I get to 46th Street, go into the L, and I would see this piece, right before I go in the tunnel, of a rabbit smoking a J, and Estro.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Estro.

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  And I had no idea who or what an Estro was, so, you know, as I got older, I assumed and thought he was just a graffiti legend, and that's it. And people were like, no dude, like,

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Estro was the Neptunes and the Roots, and every DJ in Philly wrapped in one. I didn't realize-

• 20:04Speaker 03

  He was our Mantronics.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Okay, he was, okay, so my manager Sean G actually said, he was Mantronics before Mantronics.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Can you please, just for history's sake, explain to me, have you seen Estro rock live or whatever, like, what would he do? Like, what, because I hear these tapes now, and it sounds like-

• 20:25Speaker 03

  Estro, my MC, I had two MCs.

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  Yes.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  Marvelous and Cool Bree Steve.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Cool Bree Steve was rocking with Estro.

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  Okay.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  So that's how we became, I knew about Estro, but that's how we became really, really cool. He used to live at this fraternity house around Drexel.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  And he had the room all the way in the back. And I never forget, I went there to his house, and he had all these old, like, um, um-

• 20:52Speaker 00

  This is Estro?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:53Speaker 00

  He went to Drexel?

• 20:55Speaker 03

  I don't know if he was, went to Drexel-

• 20:56Speaker 00

  He just lived there?

• 20:57Speaker 03

  He lived in the back, at the fraternity house. So we went back there, he had a guitar case, and had all these little drum machines, these Roland 303, I think it is. Yeah, he had all these things, he had them all sequenced and everything. We actually did a record, we were trying to do a record.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  I'm about to let you hear that.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  So he recorded something?

• 21:18Speaker 03

  It was on a four-track or something, but, you know, we didn't have that much equipment.

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  So when he would do these parties, he would come with his-

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  With a suitcase.

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  And is it a drum machine and-

• 21:28Speaker 03

  It's a, no, it's a bunch of drum machines. You ever see those little, um, Roland 303s?

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  Yes.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  And they're like silver or whatever, yeah. He had all of them in this case, and he would have them all sequenced. One was a bass, it just had a bass sound on it, a bass tone. The other one was just a drum, yeah, all these different sounds. And he would set this suitcase up and just go to, go to work.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  Okay, so what venue structure could even host him? You know, like, it's one thing just to get your turntables-

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:02Speaker 00

  And a mixer inside of an amp to play for the people, but it's like, and again, are you saying that Philadelphia audiences were just as receptive? Like, I'm assuming that party rocking as in, just play the record as I know it. Don't do no fancy shit.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  Like nowadays, like, turntableists are something that we view as opposed to dance to.

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  So when he rocks a party, he's just making shit up on the spot or-

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he got the MC rhyming, so it's-

• 22:33Speaker 00

  So he's literally the Roots, the Neptunes, Mantronics?

• 22:37Speaker 03

  He's all of that. Listen, he'll, he'll go and he'll replay a, a breakbeat. Like, say Daisy Lady.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  But he'll have it with that bass tone, and the MCs will be like-

• 22:54Speaker 03

  It was incredible, like Perry P would be rhyming on some of his stuff.

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  Man, I, I-

• 23:01Speaker 03

  And then it was, I'm gonna tell you the real bugged out play, thing about it. I didn't know he was the graffiti artist Estro.

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  You didn't know that? See, I knew him only as the graffiti artist Estro.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  I knew Estro, but I never saw his face. So until that day, I actually went on a, a night with him, man. He scared the hell out of me.

• 23:20Speaker 00

  You went on a mission with him?

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  What was that like?

• 23:24Speaker 03

  I'd never do it again. He jumped, he jumped from the train on this, on this roof, and-

• 23:30Speaker 00

  You mean the 46th Street entrance? When you get, leave 46th Street and it's about to go underground? He has, he has a tag there, and I don't know how he's able to do this immaculate tag.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  He jumped from, on something from a train. I was supposed to follow him. I was like, to hell with that, man. Yep, to hell with that. I wouldn't be here today talking.

• 23:54Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  This dude was incredible, man, like, and, but his, I gotta let you hear this, this tape, man.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  I, yes, I, I recently, there's a brother that recently put, um, a Grand Wizards of Funk, uh, block party, like, on YouTube.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  And this is the first time that I'm hearing, like, a young Cosmic Kev. I didn't know he was that fast with, with scratching or whatever. Like, it's a history that I'm obsessed with. Now, I also know that you, more than anything, more than just being the, just the godfather of turntableism as far as, like, different techniques and whatnot.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  But you are also a historian.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  Can you give me your top five capture moment? Like, when, when did you start, like, capturing? Like, how deep does your history go in terms of capturing, uh, uh, various shows or block parties or whatever, like, that you've done? I know you've been a tech head for the longest.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  As far as capturing, my cousin, who was an extremely big time techie guy.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  He always had equipment that was, that I didn't know about.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Do you have any of those shows from, like, the 52nd Street Y or, or like of-

• 25:16Speaker 03

  I even got the Flyers from it.

• 25:18Speaker 00

  Oh, God, man.

• 25:19Speaker 03

  Quest, man, I'm telling you, bro, it's deep, yeah. I can't, listen, I keep everything I've ever done. I'm so glad that I've done it, because now it's part of my story and I can show you.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  Right.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  You know?

• 25:32Speaker 00

  What, what are the five most valuable things that you own that is like?

• 25:38Speaker 03

  I've been collecting 8-tracks, man, for the longest time.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Look, I got the Skull Snaps album on 8-tracks, so-

• 25:46Speaker 00

  Really? You know what? You are maybe the fourth most valuable 12-inch I've ever purchased. Someone sold me, I finally found a Pump Me Up, okay, wait.

• 26:00Speaker 00

  See, this is the thing, I want to get in your history, but I want to give you your own show. I'm not gonna ask that.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:05Speaker 00

  Okay, allow me to ask one question, because I'm not gonna ask about DNC or, or anything, making beats or whatever.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  This was to be a mini-episode.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:13Speaker 00

  Okay, so one of the earliest records that, uh, I missed out on that I should have gotten, that later, one of the first 12 inches that I had to pay,

• 26:26Speaker 00

  yeah, I think, yeah, I had to pay 700 plus for this, and it was in Japan of all places.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Is you cutting up Trouble Funks Pump Me Up

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  for a good 10 minutes or so.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 00

  Just you cutting up. Give me from soup to nuts the whole story of how that happened.

• 26:44Speaker 03

  There was a guy named Kid Fresh, you might know him, Mike Elliott.

• 26:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  Right? He wanted me to do some scratches on a record.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  We were at Virtue Studio, which was in North Philly.

• 26:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  Right? Well, this guy comes in the studio, says, hey, could you do a mix for me? We have these bunch, these records. I was like, sure, I mean, he paid me like $500 or something.

• 27:07Speaker 00

  Right.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Which was big money for me at that time.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  It was all one take. One take.

• 27:14Speaker 00

  And you just cutting up Pump Me Up for 10 minutes?

• 27:16Speaker 03

  It's hilarious, this story is so crazy, Quest. The guy's name is Max Kid.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  And I, I'm real cool with, uh, Big Tony from Trouble Funks.

• 27:26Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:26Speaker 03

  Right, that was Trouble Funks manager. He was bootlegging his own group.

• 27:33Speaker 00

  Wait, what?

• 27:34Speaker 03

  If you look at that, it says DJ Cash Money and Dr. Funkenstein.

• 27:38Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Dr. Funkenstein is a fictitious name. So what happened was, I had somebody who found out that the record was selling, so I tried to get in contact with the, uh, the, the record company, and they said, you know what, we're gonna take your name off of it. So they just left Dr. Funkenstein, so that's why the, the press came out without my name on it, yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  The first 10 seconds of Fight the Power, when we hear bump to bump to bump, bump to bump, that is from that record?

• 28:03Speaker 03

  That's from that record.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Wow. And I know you have, like, 42 trillion more of those.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, so every time you heard Comedy Def Jam come on TV, that's what I heard.

• 28:14Speaker 00

  Really?

• 28:15Speaker 03

  So everybody thought it was Terminator X, but nah, it was me.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  I got it now, I got it.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  But that story about Trouble Funks is crazy, because he was bootlegging his own group, and Big Tony and them didn't even know.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  Dude, when I heard that, my mind was just-

• 28:32Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm so glad that you were able to celebrate this with us here.

• 28:38Speaker 03

  Yes, thank you for having me, man.

• 28:39Speaker 00

  Like, we always wanted to bring the picnic to the plat proper.

• 28:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 28:44Speaker 00

  The previous, uh, 13 years. Yo, man, finally we got that moment to happen, and, you know, to have you here to do this, man, is, is, is our dream.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Hey, man, I thank you guys, man, you fantastic job.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  And again, this is just the beginning. If you don't know who this brother is, follow him on social media. Search him on YouTube, there's so many, like, there's so much history here. I know, like, every DJ worth, worth a grain of salt of their name knows who you are, man. And I'm, I'm glad you're getting this moment, brother, thank you so much.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Thank you, man.

• 29:18Speaker 00

  All right, we'll see you on the next go around. DJ Cash Money.

• 29:40Speaker 04

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