Jaron Boots Ennis the Undisputed Champion on boxing's biggest call-outs, Bud Crawford coming out of retirement, 36-0 dominance, family legacy, Floyd Mayweather, Mike Tyson and why respect is earned not given.

“I am the face of boxing.” Boots Ennis Fresh off cementing himself as one of boxing's elite, undefeated world champion Jaron "Boots" Ennis joins The Pivot Podcast for an honest conversation that led him down a road of perfection with a 36-0 record and 32 Knockouts. He may be a quiet guy but once that switch is flipped, Boots goes to another level and is not someone to mess with. From growing up in one of boxing's most respected families to carrying on his family's legacy as a world champion, Boots opens up about the discipline, sacrifices, and mindset required to reach the top. He shares why respect isn't given to in boxing—it's earned every time you step into the ring—and explains why proving himself has always mattered more than chasing popularity. Boots also gives his perspective on the state of boxing today, what separates champions from contenders, and the challenges of building a legacy in a new era of the sport. The Philadelphia superstar reflects on the fighters who inspired his journey, including Floyd Mayweather and Mike Tyson, and discusses the lessons and skills he took from watching greatness. With confidence, humility, and an unwavering belief in his abilities, Boots reveals what continues to drive him as he pursues undisputed status and boxing immortality. Now at the top of the sport, Boots' target is getting bigger as he responds to recent criticism and call-outs from other fighters, including Terrance Bud Crawford who says would come out of retirement to face him. This is a conversation about legacy, family, respect, and the relentless pursuit of greatness—one you won't want to miss. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:50Ryan Clark?

  What you got on your neck? What you got?

• 0:53Speaker 03

  What I got on my neck?

• 0:54Ryan Clark?

  What you got? About 150, 200?

• 0:58Speaker 03

  I don't know. I had this stuff for so long. I had this stuff for like four or five years.

• 1:02Ryan Clark?

  Really? Oh, okay. Boots, man. Welcome to the pivot, man. We're excited to have you. This is Fred Taylor. This is Channing Crowder. I'm Ryan Clark. Pivot fam. Thank you for pivoting with a super welterweight champion undefeated. Right? So many things go along with the name Jaron Boots Ennis. But should I call you Boots or Boops?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  Boots.

• 1:24Ryan Clark?

  Right?

• 1:24Speaker 03

  You can do Boots. I've seen you do some research.

• 1:27Ryan Clark?

  Because I'll talk a little bit, man. How did moms let you switch from Boops to Boots, man?

• 1:33Speaker 03

  Well, first off, I appreciate y'all for having me. You know, I know all y'all. So, you know, y'all are legends for real. But with the Boots thing, my original nickname was Boops. My mom gave me that nickname. We switched it to Boots because when we was in the gym with my dad, everybody was thinking my dad was saying Boots like the shoes. He was telling me to come here or like do this or do that. And it sound like, it do sound like Boots. So we just kept it and it stuck with me. But my mom still called me Boops.

• 1:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I'll be honest. You'd be less intimidating if they said, "Come into the, come into the ring undefeated."

• 2:05Speaker 03

  I ain't scared of him.

• 2:06Ryan Clark?

  Boots! I was like, "Yeah!" I was like, "He gonna have to really punch your meat for me to respect it." Nah, man. But it is a pleasure to have you. Man, I want to talk a little bit, though. Like, we make jokes about respecting you. You're in a place right now, bro, where everybody they put in front of you, you annihilate. Yet they say, "There's always an excuse after." "Oh, that dude wasn't that good." Or, "When you gonna get the big fight and win?" Why do you feel your accomplishments have been disrespected in the way that they have?

• 2:42Speaker 03

  I just take it as a compliment at this point because that shows the world, like, understand how great I am. And I just gotta keep living up to their standard, which I'm gonna keep doing. And I feel like they not gonna appreciate me until I retire. And like I always say, I feel like my style different from everybody. I really do whatever I want. Every fight, I give you something different. My last fight, I was, I gave you some dog fight. I couldn't make the easy in boxing move. The fight before that, I got a first round knockout. The fight before that, I was boxing and moving and slipping and all like, I give you whatever you want. And I feel like the world know that they don't play anybody that I fight. Like, I can, I can go knock out the Hulk and they be like, "Oh, you was supposed to do that." Like, it's like, it's like crazy. Like, it don't matter what I do. They just try to like downplay anything I do. But at the end of the day, I just, I love it. And I love it. It drive me and make me get better each and every day. And I'm gonna continue to keep growing.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  And like I said, they not gonna appreciate me until I retire.

• 3:29Channing Crowder?

  And you said it. You said you could Floyd Mayweather and you could Tyson.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:35Channing Crowder?

  Those are some big shoes to fill. But do you feel like that? Like you just talking about, like, I can go out here and just go blow for blow if you want to? Or I can, or I can really do the art of boxing if I want to?

• 3:48Speaker 03

  Facts. You just, you just basically like said, you know, I feel like I can go in any fight and do whatever I want. I just, I'm comfortable wherever I'm at. I could be in the inside, I can box, like, mid-range, wherever you want, I'm, I'm good at. I'm comfortable with it because I practice all those things and I, you know, but me and my dad and my team, we just, we work on everything all around.

• 4:07Channing Crowder?

  But do you know that beforehand, what you gonna do? Or you figure it out when the fight starts?

• 4:11Speaker 03

  I mean, you kind of like know beforehand. Like, my last fight, I knew I was going.

• 4:16Channing Crowder?

  Oh, the little Puerto Rican boy?

• 4:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, my last fight, I just had you.

• 4:19Channing Crowder?

  What? He whooped the hell out that little Puerto Rican boy. I went and looked at the fight this morning. He beat the hell out that little Puerto Rican boy.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Yo, yeah, but, but like that fight, like, I already knew, like, going into that fight, I'm like, yo, I'm gonna go dog him. Like, I'm gonna go take them belts from him and show the world. That's how you take belts from a champion because at the end of the day, you don't know how them scorecards gonna look. You know, I basically for him in his hometown kind of sort of because, you know, he Puerto Rican and that's, New York is a Puerto Rican fan base. So I'm like, I'm gonna be my own two judges, you know, and I'm gonna end it on my note.

• 4:52Fred Taylor?

  Boots, even with that, you faced a little adversity in the third. You got a little shot. Or would you call it that? And kind of take us through that moment. Like, what does a fighter think when they know they, you know, they caught one?

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:06Fred Taylor?

  But they gotta kind of regroup and all that stuff?

• 5:08Speaker 03

  That third round, I just, it was, the first two rounds was so easy. I feel like, I watched the fight like five times. I'm like, I could just see myself just getting like lazy a little bit. And these are things that I want to work on when I'm in camp. Like, don't get lazy. Like, just, you gotta like stay sharp at all times. I don't care how easy it get. If it get easy, get them out of there.

• 5:26Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  Because anything, boxing, anything can happen. So I got a little lazy and everybody thought I was hurt. But I could see what everybody see because it do look crazy. But I wasn't hurt. I was trying to calm him down because he got hyped when the crowd got hyped. So when he was throwing punches, I'm just like, I'm gonna shoot with him, try catching him between. A couple of little times, I caught a shot and he like went through the glove and he was like swinging me. One joint, he pushed out, clean right hand. Like, it was like little stuff like that. Like, everybody thought I was hurt, but I wasn't. I really was chilling. I was cool. If you hurt, if a fighter is hurt, they gonna be on retreat mode. They gonna shell up. They gonna box and move. They gonna be dizzy. Like, I wasn't on it. I was cool. I was calm and I controlled myself. And next round, I came back out and I wound up hurting him. Probably seconds later.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  And the next round, I came back out and continued doing what I was doing, making it easy.

• 6:14Fred Taylor?

  With the whole staying on the gas theme, at 37-0, 32 knockout percentages is, that percentage is absurd, the knockout percentage. When do you, like, a lot of times fighters can tend to get complacent, like, I'm 37-0, ain't nobody out there can touch me, right? When do you stop counting or have you stopped counting the victories? And when do you start thinking about like legacy and becoming legendary and being mentioned with some of the greats?

• 6:42Speaker 03

  I always, like, from day one, you know, as soon as I started boxing, I'm like, I want to be an all-time great, you know? And stamp my name in whatever division I'm in. In every division I'm in, I want to collect every belt, each and like, just tickle the division, you know? And I did it at 147. You know, I was able to be unified in, you know, lineal champion at 147. And the guys, those guys were down there playing around and so I just moved up and I feel way better at 54. And I'm, now I'm a unified champ within two fights at 154. And I'm, it's on the undisputed now, you know? One by one, just keep knocking these guys, knocking these guys down one by one. I already stamped myself in the boxing game already. Because I'm a two-weight division champion. A lot of guys can't say they did that.

• 7:21Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 7:22Ryan Clark?

  But I mean, bigger than that, though, a lot of times, legacy is not about the championships and it's about our last name.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 7:29Ryan Clark?

  Like, your last name is legendary.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:31Ryan Clark?

  In Philadelphia. Starts with your father, your two older brothers. Your brother Derrick, though, he said, he slipped up wanting to be Philadelphia famous instead of world famous.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:44Ryan Clark?

  Can you explain to me what that means to you when you hear it as it pertains to your big brother's career?

• 7:52Speaker 03

  What he was saying with that is like, he got caught up. He won and he fighting in Philadelphia, fighting on TV, fighting on, you know, ESPN Showtime, all that. And he just got caught up with the, you know, being famous in Philly, being famous with the girls, like, all that, like? And that's what they instilled to me, like, bro, like, listen, like, you could do all that, but like, bro, just lock in. You know, them girls gonna be there. Just stay like, stay on task, you know, stay in shape because you never know when you gonna get a fight. You know, that's what I've been doing. I got the blueprint from them. You know, they always like give me that little like, little pep talk, you know, here and there, just to keep me focused, keep me on point. Because I easily could have did something else. And I couldn't, I could have did whatever, you know? I could have been in the streets, like, anything. You feel me?

• 8:35Speaker 03

  And they kept me on the right path and kept my mind right. And that's, that's why I'm here today. So at the end of the day, like you say, it's like legacy for my last name. And not only do I want to put it on for myself, but I want to carry my last name for years and years and years. And when I retire as an undefeated legend, I want kids and even whoever, look up to me, look at me, look up at me and be like, like, dang, he did his thing. He beat everybody, he fought everybody. He, he put out a great blueprint for the kids, like, outside of boxing. Like, I just want to be that type of guy. You feel me?

• 9:06Ryan Clark?

  Bro, like, you just...

• 9:09Ryan Clark?

  Boxing is a different world.

• 9:10Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 9:11Ryan Clark?

  Right, like I, I in no way have ever wanted to be in a stadium or an arena full of people. The lights everywhere go dark except for the ring and it's just me and them. Your trainer could talk to you, your coach could scream things, but you gotta execute that. But you just said, when I retire, an undefeated legend.

• 9:36Ryan Clark?

  How often do you tell yourself that to make sure that's a belief of yours you live by?

• 9:45Speaker 03

  I tell myself that basically every day, every chance I get, you know, I, I know, I know I'm gonna do it. I just gotta stay focused, stay locked in and it's already set in stone. I already be knowing what's gonna happen on fight night, because I put the work in. And these guys, like I said, these guys can't mess with me. As long as I'm focused and doing what I'm supposed to be doing, we good.

• 10:04Channing Crowder?

  You brought up your mom, your dad's your trainer.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:08Channing Crowder?

  You got brothers.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:09Channing Crowder?

  It's usually that struggle from the bottom, like grinding out the projects. You wasn't like that.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  No.

• 10:15Channing Crowder?

  You, you had a good childhood.

• 10:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was, I was kinda like, cool, I had a good, good childhood, because like my brother was like, he was already fighting, he was in the mix. Wasn't, wasn't really hurting for nothing for real, for real, but I mean, it was like, like middle class for real, for real.

• 10:28Channing Crowder?

  But what, so what's the, what's the grind? Because you always hear, get, get it from the mud and all, nigga, you was in the mud. You had two pair home, like, yeah, I was in the mud, I had a single mother in Atlanta in the projects, like. Like, what, what, what, what was that push for you?

• 10:46Speaker 03

  The push was like just watching my brothers like growing up for real, for real, like, I wanted to be like them. They was fighting on TV and the, the blue horizon was, was around in Philadelphia. That was a historic, like boxing spot. I always wanted to fight there, but they, you know, closed down or whatever. And it's just, just watching them coming up, I'm like, I wanna be like my brothers when I get older. And then now I'm finally here, I'm like, man, I'm like living out my dream and I got my brothers with me. So it's like, it's, I'm getting a two for one, like, it's, it's crazy. It's like a surreal moment.

• 11:15Channing Crowder?

  What about when you surpassed them, because you have?

• 11:18Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I mean, I surpassed them for sure, but I surpassed them because.

• 11:22Ryan Clark?

  Of them.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Of them, yeah, for sure, like we family oriented, you feel me? And without them, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. They, my dad and my brothers, they created this monster, like, I got, I'm all, I'm, for real, for real, I really fight like all the three of them in one.

• 11:37Fred Taylor?

  Boots, earlier, RC, he mentioned that you, you, you sometimes are discredited by the opponents that are out there, simply because of how great you've been. And he mentioned that your brother was Philly famous, right? And, and that was his, like, his threshold, basically. I was reading a comment this morning, a guy said, I'm from Philly, all Boots fight are cab drivers and no real competition. But this is a guy from Philly.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:04Fred Taylor?

  But on the flip side of that, you can see guys like Wallow and Gilli, who, from Philly, who, they've been big upping you for years.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 12:11Fred Taylor?

  How does it make you feel to, to hear those comments coming from the hometown?

• 12:17Speaker 03

  I mean, you got, if, if you ain't got no haters, you ain't popping. I feel like, like, if ain't nobody talking about you or not talking down about you or saying, saying hurtful things or bad things, you ain't popping, for real, for real. And I feel like I'm, I'm at that point where people gonna see, hating little things, say this and say that, like, it don't bother me, it don't faze me. If anything, it drive me even more if I do see it, you feel me? And like, I'll be off, I'll be off the net now, I ain't gonna lie, I'll be off the internet, I don't be on social media, like, I'll post whatever I got posted, get off. I've been on, I've been trying to have a clear mind for real, for real, like, social media, bad place.

• 12:49Ryan Clark?

  I like that, you talk about, you talk about having a clear mind.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:52Ryan Clark?

  It's been a while since you've, you know, tasted defeat, and so I know you don't get to talk about it a lot. When you lost in the Olympic trials though to Russell, and, you know, you said you felt like it was political.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 13:07Ryan Clark?

  I mean, like since, you know, you didn't necessarily fight with an amateur style at that time, and so it's hard to win some of those fights. How did that fuel you going forward? Because we all have to deal with some level of adversity to truly reach our potential. And, and losing that fight at that time in your life, how did you process that?

• 13:31Speaker 03

  In the amateurs, I ain't gonna lie, I'd never really like care for the amateurs. I always, I wanted to turn pro when I was like 14, 15. My pop was like, no, just chill, like, we, I was trying to go to Mexico and turn pro, like, I ain't care, like, I'm, I'm, I'm ready to turn pro now, I'm like, because I was sparring all the pros, I was boxing all the pros. I'm like, I'm fighting, sparring guys is eight and O, nine and O, 12 and O, and I'm 14 years old, 15 years old and getting over on them. So I'm like, I'm ready to turn pro, I hated the amateurs and, but, but fighting the amateurs and fighting, you know, um, that fight, it definitely shaped me for sure. You know, it just made me a better person, because, and then the day, like, fighting all those different styles, back to back, you know, you fighting a different fighter every day.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  So fighting the amateurs like that, it just, it just, it grew me, you know, I got to see different styles, multiple different styles every single day. And it made me, it made me one of the fighters that I am today. So it definitely helped out a lot, for sure.

• 14:24Channing Crowder?

  Did you have a normal childhood? Because you talking about 14, 15, you fighting grown men, like, was your childhood normal?

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I just, all I did was train, train, go to school, like, that's it.

• 14:36Channing Crowder?

  So that's not normal?

• 14:37Speaker 03

  I guess not, I, I, I missed out on a lot of parties, I missed out on a lot of birthdays, I was fighting on my birthday, tournaments, all that stuff. Even like, even just now, I just, my birthday was, was June 20, uh, 26th, I 427th. I kinda, I'd be, I'd miss out on my birthday, like, I don't, I don't really care, like, as long as I'm doing what I love doing, I don't really care, and I love doing this.

• 14:57Ryan Clark?

  Do you like to do anything else? Like, like, I mean, you're like a cyborg, you know what I'm saying?

• 15:04Channing Crowder?

  Talk like a cyborg.

• 15:05Ryan Clark?

  And like, and like, a lot of, a lot of times, there, a lot of times, there are people who are part of these families who do one thing and they rebel against that thing. Right? They're like, man, I, I, I, I saw my pops box, or my pops boxing, now he's become a world renowned trainer. Both of my brothers fought, but they never reached the pinnacle. And sometimes, like, the youngest brother would be like, man, you know what, I'm gonna go play ping pong. You know what I mean? Like, you, you took that on as like, this is what I want to do. How much did you have to sacrifice, though? The birthdays, the parties, how much did you have to sacrifice to get to this point?

• 15:49Ryan Clark?

  And do you feel it was all worth it?

• 15:51Speaker 03

  I had to sacrifice a lot, basically, like I said, I, I had my friends' birthday parties, sleepovers, trips, like, because I'm fighting in these tournaments, or I'm fighting in my professional fights. And missing my own birthday, like, missing my mom's birthday, missing my dad's birthday, like, it's, it's like, all that stuff, like, it's just, it's, I don't know, like, it's, it's something that, yeah, at the end of the day, you gonna, you gonna feel like, damn, like, I missed my mom's birthday, or I missed my dad's birthday, or, but I feel like it's all for the greater good, you feel me? And, and soon, you know, I will, I'm, I'm retired probably, you know, not soon, but it's coming, and I know it's coming, I'm getting older, I'll be 30 next year, so it's coming.

• 16:31Speaker 03

  So I'm gonna enjoy the fruits of my labor when it's time, but as of right now, you know, I feel like it's, it's all worth it, you know, everything kinda like falling to pieces, everything like, like perfect timing right now, I feel like, for me.

• 16:42Ryan Clark?

  You gonna get Bud out of retirement?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  Uh, they, they.

• 16:46Ryan Clark?

  Channing said, listen, I'm gonna tell you now, on this show now, on this show, Boots, Channing told Bud, there's a certain number you'd come back from. But after the last fight, he sent out a little, a little, you not on social media, so I'm gonna hippie to it. He sent out, he's like, hey, man, I ain't gonna say nothing, but y'all see it.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  I don't really care.

• 17:09Ryan Clark?

  Like, is, is, is that a fight you would want?

• 17:12Speaker 03

  For sure, but, you know, he, he retired, like, he talking, yeah, he talking, but he retired, he not, he ain't saying he wanna fight, so he wants, he retired, you know, like, he enjoy his, his retirement, you know, uh, and like he said, this the Boots era, he said it himself. Somebody, a couple people, a couple of my homies, sent it to me, he like, yo, he, he talking about, dude, this, this the Boots era, he know, you know, it's, it's different over here, I'm trying to tell you, it's different over here, yo. It's different.

• 17:40Fred Taylor?

  Hypothetically, right? Would that be a fight that would even make sense? Like, would you say this is a, a big fight? Understandably, the legacy of there is there for Bud. Bud, what is he, 39, 37, something like that? And you're, you're right there in the, in the thick of your prime, right? Would that even be a thing, like, you know?

• 18:04Speaker 03

  No, it's definitely a big fight if he was to return, but he returned, I, I beat him, nigga, like, he was old. Like, it's gonna be, it's gonna, it's always gonna be something, like, it's like, like I said, I ain't, man, people be bringing up his name, I don't even really be caring, like, he retired, like, it's like, like, he, he just talking, he doing whatever retired people do, or talk, like.

• 18:26Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, so your, your dad has been with you a step away, the entire journey. Had, had, what's the biggest argument you guys have had in looking back on it? Was he right?

• 18:37Speaker 03

  I ain't gonna lie, me and my dad don't argue.

• 18:39Fred Taylor?

  At all?

• 18:39Speaker 03

  No, he really, yo, my dad 70 years, 70 years old, but he, he still run, he train, he do everything I do, it really feel like it's my brother, for real, for real. And we don't be arguing, and, you know, whatever you say, I do, you know, and if I feel like it's, if I feel like it's not right, I put it to the side, away from everybody, like, yeah, I feel like this is a little bit better, can we do this? Or I think I should do this, and he, either he agree, or he be like, no, this way better, and I, and we just hash it out like that. And, you know, it's never like really no argument, or we going back and forth and all that stuff, you feel me?

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• 19:42Ryan Clark?

  I love that, man, like, that, that level of respect, man, just for young people who watch our show, to have an undefeated.

• 19:51Ryan Clark?

  Champion in two different divisions say nah, like me and my pops. Cause you are almost 30 now. I have a sudden.

• 19:58Speaker 03

  Yo, that was crazy.

• 19:59Ryan Clark?

  That's just real talk.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  It just sound crazy, it sound crazy to even like hear that, but go ahead.

• 20:04Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, nah, I'm saying like you old, you are almost 30 now.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  He's 62, don't worry about it.

• 20:09Fred Taylor?

  They be tripping, nah, I'm not. But you always look at it, look around Philly, bruh.

• 20:14Speaker 03

  Facts.

• 20:14Fred Taylor?

  People that ain't here.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, facts.

• 20:16Fred Taylor?

  It's a blessing.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 20:17Fred Taylor?

  Hell with all that other shit.

• 20:18Ryan Clark?

  You know what I mean? And but that was the, the question I was gonna ask you. To have the mentors that you have in your life, the father, the brothers, the mother. How were you able to avoid the trappings of the streets? The, the quick money, the things that could bring you down? That are a part of Philly as much as boxing is?

• 20:44Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't wanna sound repetitive, but it really was like my brothers. He was in my ear, he on me, you know? You don't gotta be here, you could be here or go run. Like, bro, we, we going to the gym, we gonna go run, get off the block, like anything, like that's, they, they stayed in my ear. You know, what you doing down here? You, bro, go train. And that's, that's what, having a family like that, it keep you level-headed, keep you on point, keep me focused. And I'm here now, like where I'm at now, I'm a two division, weight division champ.

• 21:11Ryan Clark?

  Explain to me what like Philly can, can put in, put into you, right? Like, he's from Atlanta, he's from Florida, I'm from New Orleans. Like, there are certain things that like I do on TV? And I'll get comments from people from the crib and they be like, man, that's so New Orleans.

• 21:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:28Ryan Clark?

  Right, like that's so 504. And I've tried to like leave some of it because people wouldn't be able to understand me on TV if I talk like I was still from the crib.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Facts.

• 21:36Ryan Clark?

  You know what I mean? But like, what are certain things, you know, cats from Germantown or cats from Philly? That are a part of your fabric? That allows you to be able to flourish in such a competitive combat sport?

• 21:50Speaker 03

  For real, just being, being from where I'm from. Like, I, I did see a lot, I seen a lot of things and being where I'm from, you know, it just, it just, it groomed the guy that I am. And you definitely see a lot of things going up, like all from the killing, drug dealing, all that stuff. Like, you see all that stuff, you know? But like I said, I'm glad I had the right family around me to, to push me. Like, yo, come on, go this way, we gonna go to the gym, we gonna run. Come on, we gonna take you to the tournament. Like, and like I said, I'm, I'm glad I was in the right family, in the right, the right positions and things like that. And like, they put me in the right, right places for real.

• 22:25Channing Crowder?

  What's the pressures? Cause like you said, your dad's successful, your brothers were doing it, but great mother. But you're the most successful person in your household? In your family?

• 22:37Speaker 03

  Family, yeah.

• 22:38Channing Crowder?

  But you're the baby.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:40Channing Crowder?

  And I'm the same way, I got two older sisters, I got, you know what I'm saying? And to be the most successful, be the breadwinner, but to be the baby? Like, what, what, what was that transition where like, bruh, let me hold a meal? You know what I'm saying? Or even, you know what I'm saying? Just to be, just to be the breadwinner?

• 23:00Ryan Clark?

  People ask that question?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yo, that's crazy.

• 23:02Channing Crowder?

  I done got asked to hold a meal, and I'm like, bruh, a meal? I ain't got a meal. It's just a gift to nobody.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  And you gonna give it back?

• 23:11Channing Crowder?

  To, to be the baby, but now to be the, the prize of the family?

• 23:15Speaker 03

  Nah, I ain't gonna lie, it feel great though, cause when I was coming up though, they had me. And then it was like, like they had me and now I got them, you know, feel me? They, they didn't do whatever for me, whether it's paying for whatever, you know what I'm, and I, I got them the same way. So, I think it's a blessing and I, I'm, I'm glad I, you know, that I'm the, you know, the breadwinner right now, you know, in the family. And it, it feel great, you know, I, I, I could do whatever with my mom, I could do whatever with my dad, you know, for my brothers. And that's a blessing for me, so it's a great thing for me. I don't take it like as no way. And my family not on no tip like, like, yo, give me this, give me that, give me that. Nah, we not like that, we just, money, it ain't about money with us, like, we rather just spend time for real. Yeah, that's why I, I rather like, I don't, like, whatever they do, if they do X or something, I don't care.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  I'm gonna give it to them because they don't want X so much.

• 24:02Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 24:03Fred Taylor?

  What do you do in your off time? Like, do you travel?

• 24:05Channing Crowder?

  I know what he does, he does OnlyFans.

• 24:08Ryan Clark?

  Yo.

• 24:08Fred Taylor?

  I saw that.

• 24:11Fred Taylor?

  I, I, I did see that.

• 24:12Channing Crowder?

  You didn't see that? Okay, I just, yeah, you know.

• 24:16Ryan Clark?

  You know somebody gonna take for your OnlyFans? Boot, he the one now.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Come on, man.

• 24:21Ryan Clark?

  He gonna?

• 24:21Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 24:23Channing Crowder?

  You got the OnlyFans, ain't it?

• 24:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just started back up with the OnlyFans, uh, but it's, it's just, it's just, it's, hold on, hear me out. Please, hear me out.

• 24:32Fred Taylor?

  You knew it was gonna be him.

• 24:33Speaker 03

  It's just boxing content and like outside stuff that I don't do when I'm in the gym. Like, me going to like, let's say I go to Six Flags, I record that, throw that on there, put some pictures up there on like that.

• 24:43Ryan Clark?

  But you won't put that on your page?

• 24:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 24:46Ryan Clark?

  What do?

• 24:46Speaker 03

  It's like behind the scenes, it's like you seeing another side of me.

• 24:49Ryan Clark?

  What are you wearing the Six Flags that it constitutes as OnlyFans? No, I'm saying like, is, is your, is your, like, when you do the OnlyFans boxing? Do you just wear like the cup or something like that? So like the?

• 25:04Fred Taylor?

  The Tyson's.

• 25:05Ryan Clark?

  I'm just trying, I'm trying to figure out.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Turned around, he had.

• 25:12Ryan Clark?

  What make your OnlyFans? Like, before you, before you start, you show your toes?

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Oh, no, no.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Nah, my OnlyFans is, is strictly, is boxing, is behind the scene, like, it's behind the scene boxing content that I don't post on a daily. Like, I'll probably post sparring on there maybe. Or like, me like, I don't know, me doing a workout that I never posted before, you know, it's different. It's, it's only boxing and me outside of the boxing ring, like me doing something fun.

• 25:42Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think you be slow mo, he be pouring water on himself.

• 25:47Channing Crowder?

  Oh, he like, he like to take his shirt off. I was, I was looking this morning, he like to take that goddamn shirt off.

• 25:53Ryan Clark?

  OnlyFans boots.

• 25:55Fred Taylor?

  Like, what'd you ask Tyson? When we did Tyson on the show?

• 25:58Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, Mike ain't had no drawers on, we had Mike Tyson on.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  Yo, that's what we was talking about, I just know.

• 26:03Channing Crowder?

  Had his dick laid down inside his leg.

• 26:05Fred Taylor?

  Come on, man, you going too far.

• 26:07Ryan Clark?

  See Boots, that's OnlyFans.

• 26:09Channing Crowder?

  Say, Mike, put that shit away, Mike, he crazy.

• 26:12Ryan Clark?

  I, I do, I do wanna ask you though, Boots, man, like, everything about you has been family, family, family. And you seem so intently goal-oriented as it pertains to your career. Do you allow yourself to think about what life after boxing is going to have to be like for you?

• 26:36Speaker 03

  I mean, well, now I'm getting a little orders, I do get to that point where I, I start thinking like, what am I gonna do when I retire? Like, that's all I kinda like really know, like, and even like, and not to get off topic a little bit, but even when like, I go back to the gym. I, I, I go do the pads or something, I gotta be in the gym. Like, I hate when I miss the gym, it's like, it's weird, it feel like a second home or something to me, like, I just need to be in the gym. So even, even the days when I'm not training, I go to the gym and like just do pads with the, the kids or like other fighters and all that stuff. Like, I gotta, I itch, like, it's, I don't know what I'm gonna do when I retire, I'm telling you that now. I don't know what I'm, I'm probably go crazy.

• 27:13Ryan Clark?

  No, that's my question. Dustin Poirier is obviously a different combat sport. He's a mixed martial artist. He's just saying like how difficult retirement's been for him. And very much like you, I think he had his first professional fight, he was 18 years old. Right, and you guys were different, like he didn't have the home life you had, but now he has this time. And you don't wake up with the same why. What is Boots Ennis or what will he be without boxing? Because you had it, you, bruh, you was in a, a onesie in the gym.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  I was in a jumper and I, I couldn't even walk, I was punching it. We got videos of me punching it bad, I couldn't even walk. It was like, all I really, this is all I really know is boxing, but at the end of the day, it's, I do got other things going on. I got like business and stuff going on, I'm, got, got a couple buildings and stuff like that. So we, I am working on other things, but like, what, like, what else I'm gonna do?

• 28:09Ryan Clark?

  What about family?

• 28:10Speaker 03

  No, I, I'm gonna wait till, I think I'm gonna wait till, uh, till I retire. Cause I feel like I, I do too much, like, I, I train two and three times a day, I don't really got time to sit there and like, be up under, like, on my child or like my family. It's like, you feel me?

• 28:27Ryan Clark?

  Nah, I respect that.

• 28:28Fred Taylor?

  He wanna run them streets. He wanna run them streets.

• 28:31Ryan Clark?

  That man wasn't saying he wanna run the streets, Chan, he was saying that when he.

• 28:34Channing Crowder?

  He got all the bad ones and he don't wanna settle down, that's what I heard.

• 28:38Ryan Clark?

  He was saying when he gets a woman, he wants to be able to focus up on her.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 28:44Ryan Clark?

  And his seed.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 28:46Ryan Clark?

  This is a man that has a plan, Chan, he ain't say nothing about being in the streets.

• 28:51Channing Crowder?

  I heard something different. I heard I'm running around, I'm traveling. I got bad ones in every city and we gonna figure out what's going on. That's what I heard.

• 29:00Ryan Clark?

  For you, for you, man, when it comes to planning the next steps, whether it's Eddie, your pops, you know, you guys fought to get the Ortiz fight that obviously fell apart. And what I loved about you, you was like, give me the next one up.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 29:16Ryan Clark?

  Like, like, let's roll. I commend both you and Xander in this sense on being like, we gonna try to fight the best person that's out there, no matter what the consequences of a loss are. To me, those are the boxers that I love, because you like, man, the next one up is the next one up. For you, when y'all start planning on what the next steps are, how collaborative is that? Or do you allow management and your pops to handle that?

• 29:42Speaker 03

  It's like perfect timing for me and everything be happening at the right time.

• 29:46Channing Crowder?

  Ortiz fell through. What about the big old six foot six boy?

• 29:50Speaker 03

  I want him.

• 29:51Channing Crowder?

  Fundura?

• 29:52Speaker 03

  I want him.

• 29:53Ryan Clark?

  Fundura?

• 29:54Channing Crowder?

  He's six.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  I don't care.

• 29:57Ryan Clark?

  Sebastian.

• 29:58Channing Crowder?

  You go, you go get inside?

• 30:00Speaker 03

  Bring him on, you gonna see. Fighting like, you gonna see. It's, I'm really different and I, I got really just so different like attributes and, and like I said, these guys don't do what I do. And y'all see, as I keep going up and keep fighting these different guys and fighting better competition, I'm gonna keep getting better and better. You feel me?

• 30:17Ryan Clark?

  What happens to a boxer when you are caught, though? Right, like, I only been in street fights, Boots. And I remember, I was little,

• 30:29Ryan Clark?

  and Shane punched me in my nose.

• 30:32Channing Crowder?

  What was his name?

• 30:33Ryan Clark?

  Shane.

• 30:35Ryan Clark?

  Right?

• 30:37Ryan Clark?

  At this point, Boots, I was undefeated in the streets. Right, I was undefeated 11-year-old Shane. You know what I mean? Shane was a little tall, he had to reach on me. Shane jabbed me in my nose. I couldn't see for the next five minutes. My eyes was watering. Right? It turned, it turned, it was fight or flight at that point. Now we just swinging. I didn't grab, I didn't dunk. Because all I knew was, I never want to get punched in the nose again. Freddie T was talking about that third round where you say you were caught. And you kind of explained to us what it looks like when a fighter is hurt. For someone like you, who have been, who has been planning this life since he could remember, take us through the thought process of, okay, I'm caught.

• 31:22Ryan Clark?

  Now here is how I have to react, compose myself in order to stay in and win this fight.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  I just, in those, in moments like that, like I said, I was trying to calm him down. So, you gotta stay calm, you gotta be calm. You can't get hyped with him and then next thing you know, he going all crazy. He catch you some more. So you gotta be calm and just be, be patient. And I was trying to catch him in between. And that's how I end up hurting him, you know, within three seconds later. Because I was catching him between a shot while he was throwing. You just gotta be, you just gotta be calm and, and trust yourself and trust your, your conditioning, your skills, your ability. And, and it'll work out.

• 31:59Ryan Clark?

  You get punched in your nose, it must not feel like when Shane punched me in my nose then. Hey, Shane, Shane, Shane punched me into a different person. I wasn't even myself, man. I wasn't even myself no more.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Give you a bloody nose, cherry morning.

• 32:15Channing Crowder?

  Boots, can you train for that?

• 32:18Speaker 03

  What?

• 32:18Channing Crowder?

  Can you train for, like RC said, can you train for getting punched in your nose? And like, I just got hit in my face.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Defense.

• 32:25Channing Crowder?

  My nose leaking.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  You gotta work on your defense, don't want, you don't want to get hit.

• 32:29Channing Crowder?

  I need to stay calm and I don't need to panic. Man, you don't punch nobody in your face. Like, you train for that?

• 32:37Speaker 03

  You gotta have a great mindset. For, for, if you get hit, you gotta be in mindset like, I don't feel it. Or like, something like that, like, you feel me? You can't let, you can't let. He said, I don't.

• 32:48Ryan Clark?

  I do TV, I don't box.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  No, you gotta like, put in your mindset though, like, yo, like, even if I do get hit, like, don't get, don't get hyped, don't panic. Like, don't, don't go crazy. Because you gonna get it back eventually, you know what I'm saying?

• 33:00Fred Taylor?

  Hey Boots, if you can, if you have one wish, where you can close your eyes and visualize the, the, the perfect setting, location, boxer, past and present, where would it be, who would it be, and how would it go down?

• 33:17Speaker 03

  That's a, that's a good question.

• 33:26Ryan Clark?

  He's clearly never thought about this.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  I didn't, that was a great question.

• 33:29Fred Taylor?

  You ever, coming up through, coming up, you ever have any boxers you idolize? Or any boxer you say, you know what, I can beat him, you know, like?

• 33:37Speaker 03

  Coming up, I always watched Floyd, I always watched Roy, Pernell, Serre, Leonard, Muhammad Ali, like, yeah, like, Mike Tyson. Like, I watched those guys coming up, you know? I ain't gonna lie, I would love to fight Floyd. Floyd, that, that, that's, to be able to be in the ring with him and pick his brain and, and I feel like fighting a guy like Floyd, that'd take my, my skills to the next level for, for. And I, I would say Floyd, probably.

• 34:02Fred Taylor?

  Where would it be?

• 34:03Speaker 03

  Atlanta.

• 34:04Fred Taylor?

  In the A?

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, in the A. I love, I love, I love the A. I'm actually trying to get my next fight in the A right now. So hopefully, yeah, hopefully we can be in the A.

• 34:11Fred Taylor?

  Is it State Farm?

• 34:12Speaker 03

  State Farm, yeah. Yeah, I, I love, I love Atlanta, though. You know, the, the atmosphere is crazy, like, especially with like, when it come to boxing. Yeah, so, yeah.

• 34:21Ryan Clark?

  I mean, add to the, they know I throw a party.

• 34:24Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  And when you in the A, it's, I kind of like, feel like Philly a little bit to me. So like, I feel like at home when I'm in the A a little bit. So, yeah, I would say the A.

• 34:35Ryan Clark?

  When you look at, not the, necessarily the way people fight, but the way fighters are, right? Like, I love listening to Andre Ward and Roy talk about

• 34:50Ryan Clark?

  the beautiful art of fighting. Right, there's, there's a way that you have to approach it. How much of fighting do you believe is skill? As opposed to how much of fighting is up here? Like, how much of it is physical, I should say? And how much of it is the way to think through a fight?

• 35:15Speaker 03

  I say, I would say 50/50. Like, it's 50/50, like, yeah, you gotta have the skills and ability, but you gotta have the mindset, too. Like, you gotta know in your mind that you gonna do everything you say or believe in yourself or believe in your work, work ethic and things like that. So I would say it's 50/50 for me, you know, it balance out, you know? And, yeah, like, I, I think I would say 50/50.

• 35:36Ryan Clark?

  There was a fight this weekend, what's the young kid's name?

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Abdullah.

• 35:39Ryan Clark?

  Right?

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:40Ryan Clark?

  And it's, it's the, and people are starting to question, because of, because of his last two fights, the skill level, because it like, but he's a banger. Right, he'll, he'll fight, he'll stand in front of you. The times we've seen trainers go into the corner and say like, we need a knockout. Right, or, or, or you gotta finish this fight. How, how important is it to be able to have a switch inside of you that says, it can't be about, it can't just be about skill? It's not just about technique? Like, I have to go out here and be a killer?

• 36:17Speaker 03

  You gotta be that doggy. Some, some fighters have dog in them, some fighters don't. You know, and that's that switch you talking about, you know? And Abdullah got that, that dog. He got that, he turned that switch on, got that, he got the knockout, you know, in 12th round. His team asked for, for the knockout, he gave it to him. So you gotta have that, you gotta have that switch. A lot of fighters don't have that switch, though.

• 36:36Ryan Clark?

  Have you ever been in that position where you felt like you had to turn that switch on?

• 36:39Speaker 03

  I mean, I feel like I gave a little bit of that in my last fight. I turned that switch on and gave you, gave y'all some dog, some dog work, you know? With a bigger guy.

• 36:47Channing Crowder?

  Boots, do you, do you see pie?

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Excuse me?

• 36:52Channing Crowder?

  Like, do you see, like, when you're fighting?

• 36:54Ryan Clark?

  That is such a country question. I actually know what you're asking. His first fight lasted like 42 seconds.

• 37:00Channing Crowder?

  That's what I was saying, like, do you see, like, do, like, when do you, when you get in the ring and y'all start boxing, at what point do you see pie, do you see pudding? Like, oh, this ain't art, I'm about to knock this bitch to sleep.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  I mean, it depends how like, like, how the guy come out. You, you would know, sometimes you'll know within the first couple of seconds, where they throwing shots and things like that. Sometimes you don't, you don't know till maybe a minute or two in. But I know, I always know in that first round when I'm gonna get a guy. Like, I just could tell. And I know, I know a lot of these guys can't stand like, the way I put on for like, the way I like, throw a lot of punches, they can't keep up with me, you feel me? I feel like they can't keep up with my pace. And that's how I know I'm always get these guys.

• 37:43Channing Crowder?

  And you see, like, you, but you feel the, you feel like?

• 37:46Speaker 03

  And you feel it, you feel like, you know when you like, gonna knock somebody out. Or you know when, like, something gonna happen, like, you just feel it.

• 37:53Channing Crowder?

  And that's the pie.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  That's, oh, you call that the pie?

• 37:56Channing Crowder?

  That's the pie, like, you see.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  That's the pie, yeah.

• 37:58Channing Crowder?

  Like, you walking through, you walk somewhere and this dude walk towards you, be like, man, he pie.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  He pie. Well, we say cake.

• 38:05Channing Crowder?

  What's that? Cake?

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Cake, yeah.

• 38:06Channing Crowder?

  So you see cake?

• 38:07Speaker 03

  See cake, yeah.

• 38:08Channing Crowder?

  So it take, first round, you already know if you got a cake or you ain't got no cake.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  For sure, you already know.

• 38:12Fred Taylor?

  He just alluded to that with Xander. Say he kind of put on cruise control in the third. He got a car that woke him up.

• 38:20Speaker 00

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• 38:30Speaker 01

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• 38:37Speaker 00

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• 38:50Fred Taylor?

  The, the industry is really evil. And I faced the way they paint me, but it hurt, just like the Philly Eagles.

• 38:58Fred Taylor?

  Heard that line before?

• 38:59Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:00Ryan Clark?

  It's in "Make Them Pay."

• 39:01Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, it's Drake, but that's besides the point.

• 39:05Fred Taylor?

  I want to talk about the Eagles.

• 39:07Ryan Clark?

  They say he not a real Eagles fan. I am not going to say, Fred. Who said this? Rumor has it

• 39:16Speaker 03

  No, I'm an Eagles fan.

• 39:17Ryan Clark?

  That Boots is not an Eagles fan.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 39:19Fred Taylor?

  I don't want to believe that.

• 39:20Ryan Clark?

  The word was fake Eagles fans.

• 39:22Fred Taylor?

  I can't believe that. People from the heart of Philly not.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  I'm from Philadelphia.

• 39:26Fred Taylor?

  See, that's what I'm saying, but either way, we heard whispers about AJ being traded and this and that, but when it actually came to fruition and happened, you feel any type of way? Like, what were your thoughts on it all?

• 39:37Speaker 03

  I mean, he went to where he wanted to be. You know, and I mean, he came to the gym a couple of times with Scooter, cool way stuff, you know, but he, cool guy, great guy. I feel like he ended up where he wanted to be, you know. I mean, you know, blesses to him, you know, he gonna do his thing.

• 39:53Fred Taylor?

  Right, it's the business, like any other business.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  It's a business, there's nothing you can like really do about it. You know, if somebody not, if you're not doing what you want them to do, get up out of there.

• 40:01Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 40:01Ryan Clark?

  What we do for a living, what we did for a living, what you do for a living, it has an expiration date. Many sports retire you. Right, not all of us get to say, you know what, I've done enough, I'm ready to walk away. For you, how will you know when your time in boxing is over?

• 40:23Speaker 03

  I'm just listening to my body. Listen to my body and if I feel like I can't do it no more, I'm just, I'm just go ahead and just chill. You know, I'm just listen to my body. Cause I don't, like I said, I don't want to be one of those fighters that stay in the game for too long. And now, I don't, I don't even think I'm probably boxing till I'm 38 or 37. I think I'll probably do like 35, maybe. You know, you know, once I continue to keep fighting these guys, things like that, and I want to go through all the divisions, you know, that I want to accomplish, so, so yeah, so we'll see.

• 40:55Ryan Clark?

  What is the end goal? How, you just said you want to go through all the divisions. When you started this journey, you know, if you were writing down, this is what I want to do, what would those accomplishments be?

• 41:09Speaker 03

  Early on, when I, like first time, probably my goals was to be on the speed at 147, 154, 160, and maybe 168. I think 168 gonna be my cutoff mark. At 147, I was able to become unified and lineal champ. So that was, I had the IBF, the WBA, the Super WBA, you know, in the ring magazine. And like I said before, they was all playing around and stuff like that, so I couldn't get the other two belts, but then I'm at 54, I'm gonna do it at 54, be on the speed at 54, and then 60, then, you know, maybe 168. Or who knows, 60 could be my cutoff, but we'll see.

• 41:42Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 41:43Fred Taylor?

  Where do you walk around at?

• 41:47Speaker 03

  I be up there.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Right, right now, my weight cool, cause I've been like, I got like, kinda like, I got right back in the gym. And I, yeah, so I was, I was cool.

• 41:56Fred Taylor?

  But is it, is it challenging though? Or you know you gotta get there, so it's kinda, you know, for part?

• 42:01Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not challenging, cause once I get in that mood and I turn that camp switch on and I'm, you know, drinking my water and all that stuff, I be, I be cool. You know, it come right, it kinda like fall right off. But it do get older, I mean, it do get harder as you get older, with, you know, cutting weight, but I got a method and I got, you know, my mom, she helps me, you know, with the food and, and things like that, you know, so we kinda like, we be good.

• 42:24Fred Taylor?

  You want to be the face of boxing?

• 42:25Speaker 03

  I am the face of boxing.

• 42:27Fred Taylor?

  Simple as that.

• 42:30Ryan Clark?

  Um, has any, have you ever hung around Floyd?

• 42:33Speaker 03

  No.

• 42:33Ryan Clark?

  You act like him.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  What?

• 42:36Ryan Clark?

  You, your, you kinda look like him, first off. No.

• 42:42Channing Crowder?

  He look like Floyd?

• 42:44Ryan Clark?

  He kinda look like him. Your, your mannerisms are very similar, though. The cadence in the way that you speak, the confidence, obviously, the bravado. When there is a fighter like that, that you get to, to watch, not only his craft, but the way that he manipulated the business to favor him, what are some of the things you learned from being able to watch a person like that?

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Well, watching Floyd, I kinda like, that's all I like. Besides watching my brothers and like my dad and all them, Floyd and Floyd Roy and Fournette was a mean three that I watched like almost every day. And watching, you know, guys like Floyd and come up in this game, you could, you could learn a lot from the, like you said, from the way, the way he manipulated the game, like, like, the way, he, he made the most money in boxing, so like, well, one of, one of the guys, the top guys that made the most money in boxing, so watching him and coming up and seeing that, I'm like, oh, he's one of those guys, I, I want to do what he, like similar to what he did, but take it to the next level and not, you know, not copy his, his thing, but I, I still a lot of things from Floyd, you know, he's smart in the ring, outside the ring.

• 43:57Speaker 03

  The way he just be setting guys up with certain shots and things like that. He, smart guy, you know, and you could definitely learn a lot of things from Floyd, for sure.

• 44:05Fred Taylor?

  Does Boots promotion promote heavyweights?

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, we promote everybody.

• 44:11Fred Taylor?

  Ten?

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Come on, you ready?

• 44:14Channing Crowder?

  I got about 45 seconds of pure hell in him.

• 44:19Ryan Clark?

  Hey, he gonna be, Boots, he gonna be gassed.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  We gonna, we gonna put him in, he gonna be my, my first bare knuckle boxing fighter.

• 44:27Channing Crowder?

  45 seconds of unadulterated hell for anybody over 250. Then I'm gonna have an asthma attack and I'm gonna throw up.

• 44:36Ryan Clark?

  Hey, we was trying to get him to work out, dawg, he'll never come work out.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Y'all gotta come to the gym when y'all in the, in the city or y'all in wherever.

• 44:42Ryan Clark?

  I would actually love to.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, come on.

• 44:44Ryan Clark?

  I would love to do that.

• 44:44Channing Crowder?

  Y'all got a vending machine?

• 44:48Fred Taylor?

  He dead ass serious, too.

• 44:50Channing Crowder?

  Not coming to that gym?

• 44:51Speaker 03

  Yo.

• 44:53Fred Taylor?

  If we had a vending machine in the bar, he gonna pull up.

• 44:56Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, man, have some.

• 44:57Speaker 03

  We got Wawa running the corner.

• 44:59Channing Crowder?

  Chardonnay, y'all got chardonnay?

• 45:00Speaker 03

  No, we ain't got none of that.

• 45:02Ryan Clark?

  They don't put that in the bottle.

• 45:04Speaker 03

  We got Gentry, we got Gentry and Propell.

• 45:07Fred Taylor?

  He drank the box wine, he don't need the bottle.

• 45:10Ryan Clark?

  He drinks any wine.

• 45:11Fred Taylor?

  But we, we always ask our guests, what's their biggest pivot in life? That's the moment you can sort of look back on and say, because of this moment, I am who I am today.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  I'm really a chill guy. I really don't do much, like, I just, but I'm a pivotal moment.

• 45:27Ryan Clark?

  Pre-fight, when people be talking to you, I know, I want you to answer that question, the biggest pivot, keep thinking. When people be talking to you, do they think you soft?

• 45:35Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 45:36Ryan Clark?

  Because like, because every boxer we've ever had has some level of horror story. Right, like as, as awesome as like Andre Ward is now as a human, his backstory is crazy. You know what I mean? Like, for you, you like, man, like, it's been about boxing and I was protected in this way by my brothers and it made sure.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I'm not protected, but go ahead.

• 46:00Ryan Clark?

  No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not saying like they protected you, I'm saying though, but if the streets were calling, it's like, nah, let's go run.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  No, for sure.

• 46:06Ryan Clark?

  Right, you had somebody that could pull you away from that. What do you think your biggest struggle has ever been? The biggest adversity you faced in life?

• 46:17Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 46:18Ryan Clark?

  Trust fund baby Boots.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't know.

• 46:22Channing Crowder?

  He jump on your ass, I ain't helping you. Hey, no.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  No, no, he said no.

• 46:27Channing Crowder?

  If he stand up, you want some too, old man?

• 46:30Ryan Clark?

  Hey, he gonna have to have a verse, cause he gonna have to go get me.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Yo, um, I ain't gonna lie, I don't know. I, I really be just chilling, though, like, I don't like, it's not really much that I do or, I don't know, like, I don't know.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  I just don't know, I'd be chilling, but I, I used to like, not just what you said before, these guys, I'd be chilling, but these guys know how to play with me, cause I don't play with you.

• 46:54Ryan Clark?

  That's my point.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  I don't play with none of these guys. They, they see all these fighters, they see me in person, they want to shake my hand, be, I'm not playing with these, I would realize, like, I said this in the interview before, I'm like, I really would put my hands on these guys, I'm not playing with y'all. Like, no matter, no matter what y'all think or what y'all say on the internet, bro, don't play with me, cause I really would, I'm dead serious, I really would get, I get like this, you feel me? Yeah, but they know, they know better.

• 47:17Channing Crowder?

  But you talk about like Andre Ward, his story's crazy. We know Tyson, his stuff.

• 47:23Ryan Clark?

  Bud was shot.

• 47:24Channing Crowder?

  Clapping pigeons, Bud got shot, like. Everybody. Arrow spins with the crazy stuff.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  Everybody definitely got a story, my story just strictly like, strictly boxing and family, like.

• 47:34Channing Crowder?

  It is.

• 47:34Speaker 03

  You feel me, yeah, I just, boxing and family, I don't do much, I be chilling. Yeah, I might go on vacation here and there, but besides that, I just train, eat, sleep, train with the family. I might play basketball here and there, but that's about it.

• 47:47Ryan Clark?

  He's, he's like, he's truly a pugilist. You just work hard and got good at some shit.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  For sure, yeah, I mean, it's like natural ability, you feel me? I, I never like, like coming up, I always, like I said, I always watched my brothers and all that stuff, so seeing them, I just, it was just like natural ability, I just got good watching them, like, just like that. Like, it was crazy.

• 48:08Fred Taylor?

  Love it.

• 48:09Ryan Clark?

  Do you think the Olympic trials was probably a moment that helped you become part of who you were?

• 48:16Speaker 03

  For sure, you know, like I said before, fighting all those guys, you fighting in a tournament, you fighting five to six different people every day. And you, you win, you fighting, you got, after you win, you gotta go work out and try to make weight for the morning and then do it all again, back to back to back, so that took me discipline, uh, just, and just like stay locked in.

• 48:38Ryan Clark?

  What's it like to lose, though?

• 48:41Speaker 03

  I mean, I didn't really care for the amateur, I said, I, it didn't really like faze me, cause I, I already knew I was turning pro after that tournament anyway. And after, after I, you know, did that tournament, and we, everybody thought I won, but I'm like, bro, I'm done with this amateur stuff. I been was trying to get out of this amateur game anyway, but I just, just so happened, it just fell in line around the time where I was going to turn pro anyway. I wound up turning pro, I think like three, four months later.

• 49:02Ryan Clark?

  Got you.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  And I just took my pro career to the next level and I, I surpassed, you know, all those guys, you know, and, and things like that. But yeah, it definitely shaped me as, as a person and, and that's something that I don't want to feel ever again, and I'm not going to ever feel it again, you feel me?

• 49:15Ryan Clark?

  That's my question.

• 49:16Fred Taylor?

  That, that's your biggest pivot?

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I see it.

• 49:19Fred Taylor?

  Listening to it, it seems that way.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 49:21Fred Taylor?

  Leaving those stones unturned and keeping your foot on the gas.

• 49:24Ryan Clark?

  Well, man, like, this was fun, man, I'm excited and.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  No, for sure, appreciate you.

• 49:28Ryan Clark?

  I will say this. The switch you flipped when you said, "These boys know not to play with me."

• 49:35Speaker 03

  No, facts.

• 49:36Ryan Clark?

  Like, that was the first time, because you are a pleasant human. I told you that when you said that. I was like, "Man, he is so nice."

• 49:42Speaker 03

  No, I...

• 49:43Ryan Clark?

  You know what I mean? But like, when you was like, "Nah, these boys know, like, when you see me..."

• 49:47Speaker 03

  They know better.

• 49:48Ryan Clark?

  I'm not about that. Like, I'm not playing those games.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  I'm not. I'm not playing at all. Every, every last one of them, when they see me, they be, "Joe." No matter who it is, they be coming up to me, "Yo, bro." "Nah, I'm not your bro, bro. I don't, I don't hang with no boxing, no boxing people." There's only one person I, I hang with outside of, like, like, in the boxing game, and that's, that's Scooter, cool boy stuff. But besides that, these boxing guys are weird, so I, you know, I be trying to stay away.

• 50:11Ryan Clark?

  Do you feel like you have to be like that, though? Because there are some of these boxers who have friends that are also boxers and have these people that they have these connections with. Did you force yourself to make sure you didn't have these relationships?

• 50:26Speaker 03

  I ain't gonna lie, I've always been like, to myself.

• 50:28Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  Like, I don't mind being by myself. I'm actually better by myself for, for, I don't hang with too many people. You see who I came around with, that's people I hang with every day, basically. I don't, I got a handful of people. That's it.

• 50:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Well, you might, you might be a little crazier than I thought. By the way, before we leave, check out Boots OnlyFans.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Yo, what?

• 50:51Ryan Clark?

  That's a real biggie.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  Yo, y'all, y'all pushing this OnlyFans, man. Y'all crazy.

• 50:56Channing Crowder?

  Hey, man, you get me...

• 50:57Speaker 03

  Freezer, dawg.

• 50:58Channing Crowder?

  You gave me about a $10 purse. I jumped in there.

• 51:00Fred Taylor?

  Appreciate you, man.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 51:02Fred Taylor?

  Check.

• 51:02Channing Crowder?

  Appreciate you.

• 51:03Fred Taylor?

  For sure.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 51:03Fred Taylor?

  Thank you.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  Hey, my dog, Fred asked that man a personal question, and that was the only time he said, "Hey, look, I just, I be a little big."

• 51:09Ryan Clark?

  He didn't want to answer. Bro, boxers never want to answer...

• 51:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:13Ryan Clark?

  Because we, because we had asked, uh, remember we asked Bud that, too? And he was like, "Is it, is it hard to cut, though?"

• 51:20Speaker 03

  No, it's not hard to cut. I, I moved, I just moved up, so...

• 51:24Ryan Clark?

  It helps a little bit.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  It helped a lot.

• 51:25Speaker 06

  Hang on a second. I think I met your twin. 29 years later, do you know Boots?

• 51:31Speaker 06

  I'm proud of you.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. One of my favorite fighters, man.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Appreciate you, appreciate you, man. Appreciate you.

• 51:38Fred Taylor?

  Love that.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  That's love.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Thank you. Thank you, I appreciate you.

• 51:53Speaker 03

  Facts. I appreciate you. I'm on it. I got you. Appreciate you, thank you.

• 51:56Fred Taylor?

  Love that.

• 51:58Ryan Clark?

  That was fire.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:59Ryan Clark?

  Y'all got it, man. I was listening to him talk. I was like, "Man, he got a lot of that, man."

• 52:03Speaker 03

  I'm chill, like, I don't really do too much. I be chilling, man.

• 52:06Ryan Clark?

  I like that, too, though. Like, you know, those fighters that try to live a lot in between fights.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  I don't party, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't drink.

• 52:13Ryan Clark?

  I was about to say, you see their career start to tail off, because your body can't have the wear and tear of living like that and doing what y'all do.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  Facts. And, and we do two, three month camps, and we training two, three times a day. You can't, don't think you about to smoke and drink and then go straight to a camp. That's not...

• 52:30Fred Taylor?

  But they say you, you burning it from both ends?

• 52:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, facts.

• 52:33Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, you can't do that.

• 52:34Ryan Clark?

  I know, because a lot, a lot of cats, you'll see them, like, they'll, they'll blow up, they'll drink, they'll smoke, they'll live, and then they think they could cut it off to get ready for that camp.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  And sometimes when you do stuff like that, it'd be hard to turn that, that switch on.

• 52:47Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  Because you, you so comfortable, you, you didn't smoke, you drinking, you eating all this food, and then you comfortable, and then when it's time for you to jump in that gear and that mode, you on a tip like that. I don't even feel like doing it, like...

• 52:57Ryan Clark?

  I don't know if you ever heard, Errol Spence talked about that, though.

• 52:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:00Ryan Clark?

  And he was saying, like, if he could take anything back, that's what he, he, he wouldn't become like a guy that drank or partied or hung, hung out, because he felt like it took years off of his career. And that's real, man.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  Facts.

• 53:11Ryan Clark?

  Like, you look at anybody that play ball or fight, like, you gotta take care of yourself at all times, man.

• 53:17Fred Taylor?

  I just looked at one of our old interviews. You definitely had the chubby face.

• 53:20Ryan Clark?

  Oh, fat, bro?

• 53:21Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, you had the chubby face.

• 53:23Ryan Clark?

  Somebody sent me a picture the other day, and I was, "Oh, it was fat, man. It was 220."

• 53:27Channing Crowder?

  I'm a Christian. What they got to do, man? God already has a plan written.

• 53:33Ryan Clark?

  So, boo, so here's, this thing is just, no.

• 53:34Channing Crowder?

  God has a plan written already, bro.

• 53:37Ryan Clark?

  So, when we started working out, we was like, "Chad, bro, look, Freddie T started it first. I got on it, so we trying to get him to be healthy, so he be around." He was like, "Man, God go take care of me, man."

• 53:46Channing Crowder?

  I believe in God.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  No, I feel you. I'm with you.

• 53:48Channing Crowder?

  And God, God done wrote, he done, he done wrote, he done wrote, he done wrote this book already, yeah.

• 53:52Ryan Clark?

  But you got, but you're supposed to help him.

• 53:54Channing Crowder?

  Huh?

• 53:55Ryan Clark?

  Faith without works is dead. It's in the Bible.

• 53:57Channing Crowder?

  Man, God is almighty.

• 53:59Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 54:00Channing Crowder?

  I'm healthy as a horse. I went to the doctor the other day. Motherfuckers say I'm healthy as a horse.

• 54:04Ryan Clark?

  Get it.