Pod Insights The Nick Bare Podcast 147: Top 5 Most Valuable Fitness Tips to Thrive About this episode In this episode, I'm covering five crucial lessons I've learned from over 20 years of my fitness journey. I outline the importance of combining strength and cardiovascular training, the differences between fueling for aesthetics versus performance, the necessity of balancing hard and sustainable training seasons, and the perils of overtraining.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
00:41 My Fitness Journey: From High School to Now
02:55 Current Focus: Ironman Arizona Prep
04:29 Five Key Lessons from My Fitness Journey
06:25 Strength and Cardiovascular Training: A Balanced Approach
08:31 High Rocks Training: The Perfect Balance
12:34 Bodybuilding Prep: The Challenges and Learnings
14:36 Marathon and Ironman Training Insights
23:57 Post-Ironman Training Plans
29:41 Fueling for Performance vs. Aesthetics
37:09 Introduction to Bodybuilding Nutrition and CrossFit Performance
39:40 The Role of Food as Fuel
42:58 Balancing Hard and Sustainable Seasons
55:29 The Importance of Doing Less
01:06:12 Redefining Progress Beyond PRs
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0:06 Nick Bare? Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of the podcast. Today's episode is loosely titled, working title. I always say working title because as I make my notes, this is just the, the working title I have at the top of those notes. But as we go in and, and edit the episode and prepare to publish, sometimes that title becomes refined. So my working title is five things I learned in the last five years of my fitness journey. Now I've been on my fitness journey, if you will, for much more than five years.
0:48 Nick Bare? I really found the gym when I was, let's say 16,
0:56 Nick Bare? 15, 16 years old. And this started with just working out at our high school gym, Palmyra, Pennsylvania. And then graduating to a, a commercial gym, this gym in, uh, in Palmyra, Pennsylvania, where I'm from, was called New York Fitness. And then I eventually started working at New York Fitness. I sold memberships and I made smoothies, loved making the smoothies. And then from there, I got really serious once I got to college. Fell in love with the gym and strength training and bodybuilding.
1:39 Nick Bare? And that's where, you know, my love for, for health and fitness and performance and the gym really started and has obviously evolved and, and transformed to many different domains and in types of fitness since then.
2:00 Nick Bare? I started when I was 15, 16 years old and now I'm 35 years old. So I've been on this journey, if you will, for a little over 20 years, give or take now. And I've learned a lot.
2:15 Nick Bare? And the goal of this episode is to share my experience with different training and nutrition focuses, specifically over the last five years. Cause over these last five years, my focus on training and nutrition has become more refined and I've pushed the limits and boundaries of, of my body through ultra marathons and a bodybuilding competition and marathons, triathlons, high rocks, and honestly just training for fun, not training for any specific event or race.
2:55 Nick Bare? Now, the time of this recording, it is November 3rd, 2025. I am 13 days out from Ironman Arizona. It's a full Ironman that I'm doing. This will be my third triathlon that I'm training for. My first full Ironman was in 2019. Then I did a 70.3 in 2021 and now Ironman Arizona, November 16th, 2025, 13 days out. And all in, this will be a 18 week prep.
3:36 Nick Bare? I'm really proud of this prep. I've learned a lot in this prep, especially with, with this one because
3:44 Nick Bare? I don't have a coach for this prep. Over these last 18 weeks, I have programmed my own workouts,
3:54 Nick Bare? the swim, the bike and the run. And I've really enjoyed that. And I've applied all the things that I've learned in my experience to building the structure of this programming. And I'm really proud of, of the fitness that I built, the, the programming that I've kind of put together, building fitness, building performance, getting stronger, getting faster. But I'd say more importantly, staying healthy and recovering well throughout this entire build of these last, what will be 18 weeks. So the goal of this episode is to share my experience.
4:33 Nick Bare? A few things, five things specifically that I've learned over these last five years. Now, this is not necessarily specifically targeted to training for a type of, of race or competition.
4:48 Nick Bare? You don't have to be training for an Ironman, you don't have to be training for high rocks, you don't have to be training for a marathon to, to learn from these five things I'm going to share. But I will use my experience from previous races, competitions, preps and builds to reinforce in the lessons that I have learned.
5:12 Nick Bare? And I want to also kind of share that this information, these five tips, it's primarily coming from anecdotal evidence, meaning that it's from my personal experience. However, it's also supported by research that I've done over the years. For five to 10 years now, I've been diving into published studies, listening to podcasts, reading books. I went to school for nutrition, I earned a bachelor's of science degree in nutrition from the Indiana University of Pennsylvania in 2013.
5:53 Nick Bare? So for many years, this has not only been my work, but it's been a, a deep passion of mine. Health, fitness, performance, body composition, improving the way that you show up for your workouts, but also in the way that you show up for your life and the way you feel, you know, health and performance, which I used to think were the same thing and they can be, but as I'm going to discuss throughout this episode, there can be a very clear difference
6:31 Nick Bare? between health and performance outcomes based off of training goals and the application of. So the first thing I've learned in the last five years of my fitness journey.
6:49 Nick Bare? Is that strength and cardiovascular training are complementary? Meaning, I think the best way to train, the best way, the most optimal, the healthiest for longevity of life and also quality of life is incorporating strength and cardiovascular conditioning or endurance. Lifting and running.
7:22 Nick Bare? I used to really categorize this as hybrid training, but it's lifting and running. It's the athlete model. And this may come across or seem obvious and, and maybe it is for some people, but I want to explain why it might not be as obvious. Now, Lee, I've mentioned in the beginning of this episode, I've trained for a lot of different things over the last couple of years. The best that I've felt in terms of just health, vitality, energy, recovery, sleep,
8:05 Nick Bare? the best I've looked, in, in my opinion, and when I've performed my best in a much balanced way and approach, it's when I've been balancing strength and endurance pretty equally. I'd say 50% strength, 50% endurance.
8:28 Nick Bare? So if I look at, and I have some notes I'm referencing right now, if I look at some of the things I've, I've trained for over the last couple of years, one of the more recent events, high rocks. Now, if you're not familiar with high rocks,
8:44 Nick Bare? It started in 2019 in Germany and then made its way over to the United States. And it's become very popular, very fast. It's different from CrossFit in a sense that it is very predictable. You know exactly what the competition is. Every time there is a competition, CrossFit, there's a lot of different variables. You might not know what's being tested or what events are included in the competition. And another difference between High Rocks and CrossFit is that CrossFit requires a lot of skill. Being Olympic lifting, High Rocks does not. There's no Olympic lifting in High Rocks. A High Rocks event, it's eight stations or eight rounds.
9:30 Nick Bare? And each round includes a one kilometer run and then a functional movement. Some of those functional movements are the rower, the ski, wall balls, burpee broad jumps, sled pulls, sled pushes, sandbag lunges, farmer's carry with kettlebells.
9:56 Nick Bare? It's very predictable. You know exactly what the event is. I trained for High Rocks Dallas last year. And in my opinion, this was of all the things I've ever trained for,
10:13 Nick Bare? arguably the perfect combination, in my opinion, of balancing strength, aerobic conditioning and HIIT training, high intensity interval training.
10:27 Nick Bare? Because what a week looked like in terms of High Rocks prep, I was spending time strength training in the gym, upper body and lower body. Typical and traditional strength workouts, multi-joint compound movements, bench press, barbell squat, deadlift. I was focused on some hypertrophy or bodybuilding work, which I love. I'm, I'm at my core, a meathead.
10:55 Nick Bare? I do a lot of endurance preps and races and competitions. But I believe like at my core, what I love, it's throwing weight around in the gym. I am and always will be a meathead. I love the gym. But I mentioned, that's where I fell in love with fitness. And that's what I got out of this high rocks prep. I got, I got to scratch that itch of strength training and bodybuilding. But also in my high rocks prep, I was running every morning.
11:34 Nick Bare? Zone two aerobic running with one speed workout a week. And then there were these high rocks circuits built in. I would do about two to three of those a week. And this is where I was incorporating some more aerobic work, aerobic conditioning, and more HIIT, high intensity interval training. Heart rate was getting jacked up. I was spending time on the ergs, the bike erg, the skier, the rower. I was incorporating some of the functional movements like sled pushes, sled pulls, probably broad jumps, wall balls, stuff like that.
12:11 Nick Bare? That, in my opinion, was, it was a great balance of strength, aerobic conditioning, and HIIT.
12:19 Nick Bare? So if we're thinking about what's an optimal way to train, I would argue that training for a high rocks is an optimal way to train. Because strength and cardiovascular training are complementary. Now, if I look at the bodybuilding prep that I did in 2023, this was great for body composition. I looked
12:44 Nick Bare? great. I was lean. I got down to 6% body fat. I felt great in the beginning. Because you start leaning down, you start feeling, you know, just more agile and functional. I was spending all the time in the gym. I'm still running. Or I was still running during this, this bodybuilding prep
13:05 Nick Bare? with reduced running mileage. But the deeper I got into the bodybuilding prep, the weaker I became. And I felt horrible towards the end. So. I share that to say that I don't think bodybuilding preps, especially competitive bodybuilding preps where you're trying to get down to single digit body fat percentages are sustainable, are healthy, are performance focused. And with all that being said, it's an suboptimal way to live, train and perform, in my opinion. Because towards the end of it, you are arguably at your weakest.
13:49 Nick Bare? You feel horrible. I felt horrible. I was consuming sixteen to eighteen hundred calories those last couple of weeks to just shred as much body fat as possible off to step on that stage.
14:05 Nick Bare? I looked good, felt insanely bad. So that I would put the bodybuilding prep in the
14:16 Nick Bare? not optimal way to train.
14:21 Nick Bare? Because strength declined, aerobic conditioning declined. I got weaker. My endurance became softer. I was losing fitness the deeper I got into that prep. A marathon prep, which if you followed my journey over the years, my first marathon I ever ran in 2018 was three hours, fifty seven minutes. The following year I ran slower, I ran four hours, fifteen minutes. And then from there, I committed to getting faster. And I eventually got my marathon time down to
15:02 Nick Bare? two hours, thirty nine minutes, which I ran at the California International Marathon, C I M, in two thousand twenty-three. The marathon prep.
15:13 Nick Bare? Again, this is all anecdotal and from personal experience. The marathon prep is majority endurance training. It's high volume. Running mileage for me got up to a little over 70 miles a week. Most of those miles are easy aerobic, zone two, zone three, cardiovascular conditioning miles, getting the volume in. And then, once a week, there was a speed workout that rotated between tempo and critical velocity on the track. And then, on the weekends, you have your long runs.
15:53 Nick Bare? For me to get faster, I knew that I had to get a little bit leaner. And for me, that meant pulling back on strength training during these marathon preps.
16:07 Nick Bare? What I like to do during a marathon prep is still lift weights one to two times a week. And really, that's to maintain strength and size and durability, stay healthy. But the reason I'm not including it every single day is because I hold on to size pretty well. And a way for me to get smaller, leaner, and faster is by reducing strength training. That's how I have approached my marathon preps in the past. So there's still some, some strength training incorporated, which allowed me to stay healthy and durable. But the primary focus is and was running. So I would, I would say like,
16:50 Nick Bare? you know, that had a decent balance. Not as much strength training as I would prefer. The Ironman prep that I'm in right now, it is all in on endurance or cardiovascular conditioning. This is the least amount of strength training I've ever done.
17:13 Nick Bare? In my life since I started training.
17:18 Nick Bare? I am spending 20 to 22 hours per week between the swim, the bike and the run. My running mileage throughout this prep has been about 60 miles per week. I topped out at 65 miles last week. That was my peak. Right now, I'm in my last week of real workouts and then the end of this week, I start my taper, doing a 10 day taper, going to Ironman Arizona.
17:51 Nick Bare? One of the reasons I pulled back on a lot of my strength training, really all of my strength training, other than some core strength in this prep.
18:00 Nick Bare? One again, just like applying to the marathon. I wanted to lose some size to get leaner and faster. But it also comes down to just time. You know, I'm, I'm married, my husband, I have two young kids. I have a three-year-old daughter, one-year-old son. I'm the CEO of a business responsible for 45 full-time employees. It's a demanding schedule and finding a few extra hours per week
18:33 Nick Bare? to incorporate more strength training on top of the demanding schedule of the swim, bike and the run was just hard to fit in. Now, what I could have done is pulled back on some of the endurance training and incorporated more strength training. But I just didn't apply that to this prep. I had a really strong base and build of strength coming into this prep. I was sitting heavier than I normally would.
19:04 Nick Bare? But one of the main reasons to incorporate strength training throughout an endurance build is that it helps you say, strong, healthy, endurable. It can reduce and limit the risk of injury. Now, when I started this Ironman prep, I was actually coming off of an injury. So I was nervous going into this prep, actually, that I was going to re-flare that previous injury. And thank God, you know, we're 13 days out, I stayed healthy throughout the entire build and prep. But I built and laid a really strong strength foundation
19:49 Nick Bare? of durability coming into this prep. I laid that foundation for a few months, putting on size, getting stronger, spending a lot of time in the gym, knowing that going into this prep would be really demanding on my body. What I have found, actually, throughout this prep, and one of the changes I made about midway through, is that as training volume increased, I started the prep at about 16 hours of training per week, and I topped out at 22 hours per week. When I started reaching 19, 20 hours, even 21 hours a week
20:31 Nick Bare? of training, I started pulling back on intensity, some of these speed workouts, because I was finding that I was leaving some of these speed workouts, especially when I was really going hard, that I would feel these just little tweaks here and there in my lower body, which for me, kind of is like this reinforcement of, if you keep pushing this, a injury may occur. So I pulled back on a lot of my intensity, running wise, midway through this prep, and I applied the intensity to the bike. So I did more VO2 max bike workouts
21:12 Nick Bare? to get that heart rate up, but not as taxing on the lower body. And I found that I could get that on the bike, as opposed to forcing it on the run, with a risk of injury. So it was one of the changes that I made throughout the prep. So I share that to say that
21:33 Nick Bare? Throughout all these different preps and builds I've done, high rocks, bodybuilding, triathlon, marathon, I have felt the best, I think I've looked my best and performed the best during the high rocks prep.
21:50 Nick Bare? And if we break it down, it was the best balance of strength, aerobic conditioning and intensity. High intensity interval training. I felt really good during high rocks prep. And when I'm not in a preparation for a race or competition, that is my preferred way to train. I am logging a bunch of easy, slow aerobic miles. I'm in the gym doing strength and bodybuilding workouts. And occasionally I'm throwing in some HIIT training, some high intensity interval training.
22:29 Nick Bare? Now I want a caveat to all that. To say that if you have a very specific goal, and I've always shared this and said this, if you have a very specific goal, that goal requires specificity around training and nutrition. We're seeing that right now in the Ironman prep that I'm in.
22:52 Nick Bare? This prep required a lot of specificity around the run, the bike and the swim. And over what will be 18 weeks, I have built a lot of fitness. This is some of the best endurance shape and conditioning that I've been in my life. It may be the peak of endurance conditioning that I've ever experienced. It's been a ton of just zone two, even zone three work, a lot of aerobic work. My base is insane right now.
23:27 Nick Bare? I've seen my easy runs while effort stays relatively the same. My heart rate has decreased significantly over these last, what will be 18 weeks. So I've gotten very fit. But it's come at a cost of reduced size, strength, muscle.
23:49 Nick Bare? But a specific goal requires specificity around training and nutrition.
23:57 Nick Bare? Now I've already built out my post-Ironman training routine that I want to share with you guys. After I finish this Ironman in 13 days, I don't have another race on the calendar. There's no competition on the schedule. I don't know what I'll do next. What or when, but I'm going to go back to a balanced off-season, if you will, training approach. Training in a way that I love, training in a way that promotes
24:30 Nick Bare? hormonal health, metabolic health, quality of life, sleep, recovery, a social life, like a really strong social life. I'll be honest, when I'm in a big prep, like an Ironman prep, my social life is nonexistent because when I go into a prep, I go all in. That's just the type of person I am. I go all in when I commit to a very specific goal. For better or for worse.
25:03 Nick Bare? But coming off of this Ironman, I'll be training for just quality of life again. And this will be a very complementary strength and endurance training approach. So here's what I have listed off right now of the way that I plan to set up my routine post-Ironman, which I'm so excited for.
25:24 Nick Bare? I'll break it down by day. Now, this is obviously going to be loosely held. There's room for flexibility. I'll move days around, but I just like having this structure laid out so that when I wake up in the morning, I know generally what I'm going to do. But it's not necessarily a rule. It is a rhythm, a weekly rhythm.
25:48 Nick Bare? So Monday, this is my only day of the week where I'm training twice a day. So I'll run seven miles in the morning and in the afternoon I'll have a push workout. Chest and triceps.
26:07 Nick Bare? Tuesday, lower body strength. This is where I'm doing a lot of volume, high intensity, barbell squats, barbell lunges,
26:19 Nick Bare? leg extensions, leg curls, leg press. I just want to get some big legs again. My legs are lean right now. My legs are functional, they're fast, but I want to build them back up. I've lost a lot of weight in this prep. I've lost, I'd say, 20-ish pounds. And I can't even feel it when I'm sitting in a chair. My butt hurts because I've gotten so lean. So I'm going to incorporate a bunch of barbell squats in again to build my butt cheeks back up. So I can sit in a chair with no pain. Wednesday, it's just a run. It'll be roughly eight to 10 miles.
27:03 Nick Bare? Thursday, we have a pull strength workout. It's back and biceps. This is where I'm really going to be focused on barbell deadlifts. I love deadlifts. They've always been my favorite lift. My PR on the deadlift is 700 pounds. I can promise you I'm not touching that again. But I'm curious what we can get the deadlift back to. I love deadlifting. Thursday, that was Thursday, Friday,
27:31 Nick Bare? five mile run and shoulders. This won't be two workouts. It'll be back to back. So I'll go run five miles and right into a shoulders workout. And then Saturday will be a long run. It's going to be 10 miles at the minimum. But it depends how crazy I'm feeling or who I'm running with and it could be much longer than 10 miles. But Saturday, I just like, I love having the Saturday, early morning, long run. I've just always enjoyed that. And then Sunday is my off day. This is where I'm not waking up extra early to go train.
28:11 Nick Bare? What I have been doing in this Ironman prep that I've really been enjoying, Sundays are my light days. I just have a one hour recovery spin on the bike. So I'll wake up at 5:00 AM on Sundays before the family's up. And I will do 15 minutes of red light therapy. I'll do 15 to 20 minutes in the sauna. Then I'll do three minutes in the cold plunge.
28:37 Nick Bare? For my sauna, I set it at about 200 degrees Fahrenheit, cold plunge, 45 degrees Fahrenheit. So that routine takes me, say, 35, 40 minutes. Then I'll eat breakfast. The family's waking up then and we get ready to go to church. That's in my Sunday recovery routine. And that's been a great way to start the day. Red light therapy, sauna, cold plunge, breakfast. Man, that's a beautiful one. So that kind of equates to 30 to 35 miles a week of running and lifting four days per week.
29:15 Nick Bare? And that gets me back to roughly a 50 50 split between strength and endurance. My favorite way to train. And I believe the best way to train for performance, for health, for quality of life, for a, for a healthy, balanced social life. Strength and cardiovascular training are complementary. The second thing I learned in the last five years of my fitness journey is that fueling for performance and fueling for aesthetics are not the same. They are not one in each other.
29:59 Nick Bare? Now, when I started my fitness journey, like I said, I was 15, 16 years old. And then when I started working at that gym, New York Fitness, this is when I was exposed to the bodybuilding world and pre-workout and the Arnold Fitness Expo. And then when I went to college, that's when I went just all in. And I just, I became obsessed.
30:29 Nick Bare? It's funny because um
30:32 Nick Bare? the first pre-workout I ever used
30:36 Nick Bare? which if you're roughly around my age mid 30s and you started lifting weights and going to the gym around the same time as me you probably have experienced No Explode or NO Explode this was a pre-workout back in the day, I'm not sure if it's still a pre-workout by BSN Supplements
30:59 Nick Bare? it was in this red
31:02 Nick Bare? like loosely transparent bottle
31:07 Nick Bare? it might have been like one of the first pre-workouts on the market, but it had a very specific taste and smell
31:16 Nick Bare? and I was somewhere this past weekend, I can't remember exactly where and I I got a whiff of No Explode and NO Explode and it took me back to my bedroom in my parents' house growing up, mixing up my pre-workout in my room, getting ready to go to the gym
31:36 Nick Bare? they just say it transformed or transported me back there so quickly
31:44 Nick Bare? and and that was the timeframe of when I fell in love with that part of the sport and the lifestyle and and bodybuilding and I share that to say that I learned about nutrition around performance around body composition from a bodybuilding perspective yeah, this was eating clean and it was eating every three hours because the the thought process then was if you don't eat every three hours, you go catabolic and you start burning your muscle up and it was chicken, rice and broccoli
32:28 Nick Bare? prepped and stored in Tupperware containers in the fridge, I mean I had like dozens of Tupperware containers of chicken, rice and broccoli weighed out And like sodium was viewed as this, this horrible thing. So we were all using low to no sodium seasonings. There was a seasoning called Mrs. Dash and you know, there was just a bodybuilding mindset around nutrition. It was high protein. It was lower fat, moderate carb, but protein was
33:06 Nick Bare? the king. And then when I started exploring more of the endurance space, training for marathons and then triathlons, that was actually a really hard pivot to make. Taking this, this bodybuilding, body composition, aesthetic focused nutrition model, and then trying to apply it to a performance focused model. And to be honest, I, I, I found that it didn't work. Certain aspects did, but it didn't fuel the training that I was doing.
33:54 Nick Bare? As I was kind of preparing these notes, I was thinking back to
34:01 Nick Bare? a race I was at a few years ago. It was the last man standing race in Pineland Farms, Maine.
34:09 Nick Bare? And at this point, this was 2023, I had a grasp and understanding of how to fuel, how to properly fuel endurance training and endurance events. How to maximize carbohydrate intake and utilize electrolytes to fuel performance. But that took a lot of time and experience and learning and failing and making mistakes. And I ran into this guy at the last man standing race in Pineland Farms, Maine, and he brought all of his food that he was prepared to consume during the race.
34:47 Nick Bare? And it was Tupperware containers of chicken, rice and broccoli. He was going to eat chicken, rice and broccoli throughout this entire race.
35:01 Nick Bare? And I don't share that to say he was wrong. But I'm assuming he came from a bodybuilding, body composition, aesthetic focused background. And that's all he knew because I was once there too.
35:19 Nick Bare? If, if when I was into bodybuilding and lifting weights and
35:25 Nick Bare? that lifestyle and then I just got thrown into an endurance race. Well, if all I know is nutrition for that's specific type of sport or activity. I would apply it to this new sport or activity. Chicken, rice and broccoli. And I had the conversation with him like, hey, that's going to absolutely wreck you throughout this next couple hours and days. If you go that far, there's no way you're going to be able to eat chicken, rice and broccoli. Or are you going to want to eat chicken and rice and broccoli? The deeper you get into this race, you gotta get creative. So here's these gels, here's these bars, here's these powders, peanut butter and jellies.
36:12 Nick Bare? When it comes to the ultra space, the diet approach and strategies is so different from what you would assume is health in sport and performance.
36:27 Nick Bare? But I think a lot of us come from,
36:31 Nick Bare? I'm just assuming a lot, a lot of people start their fitness journey, not all, but many in the gym.
36:40 Nick Bare? And it's to look better, it's to feel better, to build confidence, get stronger.
36:47 Nick Bare? So for many of us, we learn about nutrition
36:51 Nick Bare? through the lens of bodybuilding and body composition and aesthetics. And fueling for that type of sport and lifestyle is very different than fueling for performance.
37:09 Nick Bare? I was recently listening to a podcast.
37:13 Nick Bare? It was the Mayhem Athlete podcast and it was titled, "Why Bodybuilding Nutrition Kills CrossFit Performance." And honestly, after listening to that episode, that's what sparked the the want to make this one of the lessons I learned in the last five years around fitness. And one of the great points they brought up in this podcast was that nutritional bodybuilding diet or bodybuilding nutrition, it consists of over consuming protein and under consuming carbohydrates and fat.
37:54 Nick Bare? Because that's just what is needed for the results and dire desires that you want to get out of bodybuilding. It's it's more protein. Protein is going to help recover and build lean tissue. There is a thermic effect from protein. So your body, it utilizes more energy to break protein down.
38:18 Nick Bare? And you want to be leaner. And there's less energy demands with bodybuilding than say endurance training. So you don't need as many calories. You don't need as many carbohydrates. You don't need as much fat. You don't need as much energy and fuel based off the energy demands of that training. But you can apply that to performance, whether that's CrossFit, high rocks, or endurance training. Because as athletes who require more energy, who are expending more energy or more calories, we need more carbohydrates, which are the most easily utilized source of energy that we can consume. We need more fat
39:04 Nick Bare? just to get more calories in and for hormonal and metabolic health.
39:12 Nick Bare? And if you apply a bodybuilding nutrition dieting approach to
39:19 Nick Bare? A lifestyle, a sport, a type of training that requires more energy, you're gonna fail. You're going to experience
39:31 Nick Bare? being under fueled and under nourished, which equates to under performing.
39:41 Nick Bare? You know, the way that I look at food, I think when, when you've been training for so many years and you're signing up for races and competitions and you're trying to find ways to, to get faster, to get stronger, to get better, you start looking at food as fuel. You start looking at food as feeling. Like I know if I eat this, I'm going to feel this way versus if I eat that, I might feel another way. If I eat something that is for lunch, for example, my lunch every day is 300 grams of jasmine rice,
40:24 Nick Bare? eight ounces of either a lean ground beef, venison, bison, chicken sometimes, throw in some buffalo sauce in there. When I eat that, it digests very well. I feel really good. It provides me energy. I know I can train one to two hours after versus if I go to
40:49 Nick Bare? you know, some random restaurant on the side of the road and I pick up a cheeseburger and french fries, I know I'm going to feel like trash after that. I'm gonna be tired, lethargic. My stomach's probably gonna hurt. I'm not gonna have a good workout or even be able to train in one to two hours. So I look at food. I, I look at it now through the lens of this is fuel. This is how I'm going to feel. I know I'm going to feel after eating this type of food.
41:23 Nick Bare? I look at food and naturally just think of macronutrients. Well, there's roughly this much fat, probably this many carbs, this much protein. And this is how it fits into my diet and my nutrition protocol for the day. I look at food and I think of how is this going to digest? Going back to how am I going to feel? And how will this contribute to my performance? Whether that's for a workout coming up or the energy I need for a meeting or work? Or even how is this going to affect my sleep and recovery?
42:02 Nick Bare? So I look at food now through the lens of all of those things.
42:08 Nick Bare? And that's why when I think of my training, if I'm focused on performance, if I'm training for an Ironman. And if I think of bodybuilding nutrition, moderate carb, lower fat, high protein. I'm looking at that thinking, well, this isn't the fuel. This isn't going to equate to the feeling that I want.
42:34 Nick Bare? This isn't going to equate to performance that I need, the energy, the calories that I need. So there's a big difference between fueling for aesthetics versus fueling and eating for performance. They can be similar, but they are oftentimes and most likely very different. The third thing that I learned in my last five years of fitness. Is that we need to balance hard seasons and sustainable or building seasons. What does that mean?
43:15 Nick Bare? So when I say sustainable or durable seasons, this is not mean easy seasons. So there, there aren't seasons of, and when I say seasons, I'm talking about training. You know, how, how are we approaching our health? Our nutrition, our workouts, our training?
43:46 Nick Bare? There are hard seasons where we might be in this very specific focused prep or build chasing down a race or a competition. And then there's the building sustainable seasons like I'm about to go into a building and sustainable season after this Ironman prep.
44:08 Nick Bare? I also would like us to look through this lens.
44:12 Nick Bare? This is not necessarily just talking to competitive athletes. Like you don't have to be someone who does race after race after race.
44:24 Nick Bare? Or even a professional or amateur athlete for this to be applicable. I think this, this lesson right here is applicable to the everyday individual. And here's why. Training, health, fitness, performance and nutrition.
44:40 Nick Bare? It is not exclusively reserved for the professional athlete. This is a personal responsibility we all have. We all have the personal responsibility of stewarding our health in our bodies.
44:59 Nick Bare? This is focusing on training. This is working out, this is moving our bodies.
45:04 Nick Bare? This is prioritizing our health.
45:07 Nick Bare? This is prioritizing what we consume, our nutrition, our diet, not eating like a slob. Taking accountability and responsibility of that.
45:18 Nick Bare? To be able to perform. Maybe not to toe the line and, and run a fast race. But it's to perform for ourselves every single day, our jobs, our work, our family, our relationships. Everything. It is a personal responsibility. To be able to show up and perform. This is not reserved, what I'm talking about for competitive athletes. There are going to be hard seasons in life where you're challenged. And then there's more sustainable seasons of life, not necessarily easy seasons of life. Because I don't like that, that word or term. And I don't know if there's ever easy seasons
46:04 Nick Bare? of life.
46:08 Nick Bare? Now for the last two years, 2024, 2025,
46:15 Nick Bare? I've only put one race or competition on the calendar, each one of those years. 2024, it was High Rocks Dallas. 2025 is Ironman Arizona. I know a lot of people who will send me their race schedule for the year and they're not pro athletes. They're everyday individuals who work full-time jobs, who are married, who have kids, and their race schedule is like six to 10 races per year. To each their own, but I don't know how you're doing that in showing up for your other responsibilities.
46:56 Nick Bare? I, I, I just don't, but if you can find a way to make it work, that's, that's good on you. Truly, for me, it is one race or competition a year.
47:09 Nick Bare? And I like to go all in on that thing. Because when I'm prepping, it's anywhere for, for four to six months for a specific race or competition.
47:23 Nick Bare? I go all in, I focus, and then once that race or competition is done, I then go into a sustainable durability building season. This is where I pull back on my volume, I pull back on intensity. I have less of a tight grip on my life in trying to control every little variable for a performance-focused outcome. And I go back to like I, I mentioned in the first lesson I learned, what works the best? When do I feel my best? When I perform my best? And when do I look my best, in my opinion? And this is a balanced approach of strength and conditioning, strength and endurance training.
48:09 Nick Bare? So this is the way that I have approached,
48:13 Nick Bare? you know, going into hard seasons, performance-focused seasons, the last two years. And this is probably an approach that I'll take for the foreseeable future. Like, me and some of the guys were already talking about 2026, a race that we would like to put on the calendar and go throw down on. And that'd be the one race that I prepare for, for 2026. And I go all in on it, and I put a big prep in, and I'm focused and disciplined. And then, when that race is done, I go back into a sustainable, base-building, durability, get-healthy
48:56 Nick Bare? season or approach.
49:00 Nick Bare? Why sustainable seasons? Well, during a sustainable season, a base-building, durability season, this is, in my opinion, where you promote more of a health-focused lifestyle as opposed to a performance-focused lifestyle, which we'll get into.
49:22 Nick Bare? But in these sustainable seasons, you can prioritize, or I, at least in this case, can prioritize all the other aspects of my life.
49:33 Nick Bare? Marriage, family, kids, vacations, work. Like I've previously mentioned, when I'm in a prep or I'm in a build, I try not to become all-consumed. But I'd be lying if I said that that just doesn't happen.
49:54 Nick Bare? I'm an all-in type guy. And when I commit to something, I go all in, and at some point, it does start to all-consume me. Where I want to control every variable, from nutrition to sleep and recovery and training. And it starts taking over parts of my life.
50:13 Nick Bare? Added a detriment sometimes.
50:17 Nick Bare? So I'm in these hard seasons, I can be all in, I can be focused. And then when I go back to the sustainable season, it's more of a balanced approach to life. And it allows me to really reset, recover. So when I go back in another hard season of training or chasing down a fitness goal, a race, a competition, I'm then ready for it. I'm mentally, physically, emotionally prepared.
50:44 Nick Bare? But if you just go from race to race to race to race, and you're always in the hard season, and you never take these sustainable durability, base building seasons, which, trust me, I've taken this approach in the past, you end up just burning yourself into the ground. And you show up for the next race season, or the next prep, or the next build, not excited, not recovered, not energized, to put in the amount of work that's required to lead into that race or competition.
51:18 Nick Bare? Now, there is a difference between health optimization and performance optimization. Are they mutually exclusive? I think they can and cannot be.
51:33 Nick Bare? You know, like, for example, in this Ironman prep right now, I am eating, sleeping, training, living, to optimize performance.
51:49 Nick Bare? And I know that if I got blood work done right now, a lot of my biomarkers would be off or out of range. Because my health is not the focus right now. My performance is the focus right now. Same thing, going back to a bodybuilding prep. And I've said, specific goals require training and nutrition specificity. In my bodybuilding prep, at the end, I looked my best. But if you got my blood work taken, probably all of my biomarkers would be out of range. Because you're pushing it to the extremes.
52:27 Nick Bare? Health and performance can be synchronized, but a lot of times I think you end up choosing one over the other, especially for those of us who are not professional athletes. For those of us who don't get paid to train and eat and sleep and recover as it's our job.
52:53 Nick Bare? Because like in my case, I'm sure many other people's cases, we are trying to fit this training for a performance-focused goal around our already busy, crazy lifestyle. So we are sacrificing things like sleep to go train. You know, right now I'm waking up at 4:00 a.m. every morning to make sure that my run is done before my family wakes up.
53:24 Nick Bare? And then I train my second or third time later in the afternoon. And by the time the day is over, I'm pretty tanked, I'm pretty exhausted. So sleep is not being prioritized right now, which means recovery is ultimately not being prioritized right now, which means I don't feel my best right now, but it's what has to be done
53:48 Nick Bare? because this goal does matter to me. And I have committed to it, so I'm going to do what I have to do to make sure it gets done. But I can promise you, once this Ironman prep is over, I'm going to be prioritizing my health again over performance, which means I'm going to be sleeping more to feel better, to ultimately perform better, because my routine and my schedule allows for it and has more flexibility and open space.
54:19 Nick Bare? So does health and performance optimization have to be mutually exclusive? Absolutely not. But for many of us who also live busy, full lives with other responsibilities and things and people we have to show up for, something has to be sacrificed. And in many cases, our health ends up being sacrificed. I would say primarily because sleep ends up being sacrificed.
54:50 Nick Bare? So that, in my opinion, is
54:54 Nick Bare? the reason, the necessity of balancing hard seasons. And when I say hard seasons, again, this is a season where you might have a training, specific goal, a race, a competition, something you're trying to achieve. Balancing those seasons with sustainable seasons, base building seasons, strength seasons, off seasons, not easy seasons, but seasons that promote health, longevity, quality of life.
55:29 Nick Bare? The fourth lesson to share.
55:32 Nick Bare? More is not always better. And more being volume and intensity of training.
55:40 Nick Bare? You know, my tagline, my life mission, BPN's motto, it's go one more.
55:50 Nick Bare? And when a lot of people hear this, and this is one of the reasons I wrote my book called Go One More. When people hear this, they think that we are, and I am just promoting, do more, do more, do more. And that's not the case.
56:05 Nick Bare? Go one more is all about doing more of the right things at the right time,
56:13 Nick Bare? in the right place, for the right reasons. It's being intentional with what we do more of. It's not just do more, do more, do more. Go one more
56:26 Nick Bare? is an outcome.
56:29 Nick Bare? Part of go one more is in action. Sometimes, to achieve the outcome of go one more,
56:37 Nick Bare? you're actually going to have to do less. You're going to have to be aware, have honest conversations with yourself, and maybe do more recovery and do less of the work so that you can experience the growth and the outcomes of go one more.
56:58 Nick Bare? But some people just look at going more and think we and I are just saying, "Do more, do more, do more." That's not the case. There is a critical component of intentionality behind those three words, "Go on more." Because there is a point of diminishing return when you try to do more and more and more. This can be applied to all aspects and areas of life, not just training. I would argue that the restraint and discipline required to do less, especially for type A-driven individuals,
57:39 Nick Bare? is actually harder than doing more. In the way that I used to train, more was always better. And I would, I would even know it. You know, like it'd be, I remember 2017, 2018, just getting out of the Army. You know, I didn't meet Steph at this point yet. Wasn't in a relationship, no kids. Fresh out of the Army, building BPN. And I would do a big workout in the morning or a run and a second workout in the afternoon.
58:23 Nick Bare? And sometimes it'd be late at night and me, Joe and Preston wouldn't have anything else that we had to do. My body would hurt and I knew that I shouldn't train and that if I trained it'd actually probably hurt me more than help me. But there was something in my head that was saying, "Just go train again, just go train again, just go train again." So I'd go train for a third time and be a horrible training experience and workout. I'd feel horrible the next day. But as driven individuals, and if you're listening to this podcast, and if you follow my content, chances are you're a very driven, disciplined, type A individual.
59:07 Nick Bare? You want to achieve, you want to perform.
59:13 Nick Bare? Sometimes we are the people who have a harder time restraining and being disciplined to do less, and it's actually easy for us, or easier for us, to do more.
59:29 Nick Bare? It's been a problem for much of my life when it comes to fitness, is learning how to restrain myself and do less, because there is a point of diminishing returns. You can't just keep adding on more volume and intensity to your training and expecting greater returns over and over and over again. You get to a point where you actually start experiencing declines in performance. There have been many fitness preps that I've done in the past, especially ones where I haven't used coaches. This Ironman prep is different.
1:00:10 Nick Bare? I think I'm at a different time and experience in my fitness journey and understanding proper programming, but in the past, when I haven't been working with a coach, which is one of the reasons that you can and should work with a coach, is that when I haven't worked with a coach in the past, I haven't been disciplined or restrained with the amount of training that I should be doing, so I'd add more on top of.
1:00:39 Nick Bare? And I've been in preps before where I've seen the deeper I get into a prep or a build, performance decline.
1:00:48 Nick Bare? I'd get slower, I'd get weaker, I would watch my endurance just become softer over time.
1:01:00 Nick Bare? So I would do more and more and more, because I'm seeing my performance decline, and I'm thinking, well, the only way to get past this and dig out of this plateau and this decline is to add more volume, add more intensity on top. As you add more on top and more on top and more on top, you see more decline. Point of diminishing return, because the truth is, more is not always better.
1:01:25 Nick Bare? There's a really thin red line that you have to teeter when it comes to pushing the limits of performance and then going too far, doing too much and seeing a decline as opposed to a growth.
1:01:44 Nick Bare? I think back to a marathon prep that I did, or I started before this Ironman prep. And we slowly increased running mileage. So I had my daily run at nine miles a day. And I felt very strong, felt very strong.
1:02:06 Nick Bare? And then we went from nine miles a day to 11 miles a day. So we're trying to get running mileage up to a certain point to build a certain level of fitness.
1:02:15 Nick Bare? And from going from nine miles a day to 11 miles a day, everything fell apart.
1:02:23 Nick Bare? Overuse, injuries flared up. I wasn't recovering properly. Just two additional miles a day. That's how thin that red line is that you're teetering to maximize performance. And ultimately go over the red line and experience a crash, a burnout.
1:02:46 Nick Bare? Overtraining, under recovering, injuries.
1:02:54 Nick Bare? More is sometimes required
1:02:58 Nick Bare? to progressively overload a stimulus to facilitate an adaptation of growth and fitness.
1:03:06 Nick Bare? However, when it's done too quickly
1:03:12 Nick Bare? at not the right time, it can result in catastrophic
1:03:22 Nick Bare? destruction of your performance, the outcomes and your ability to recover.
1:03:31 Nick Bare? This is why, like I said, it's important, or can be important, to hire a coach.
1:03:39 Nick Bare? Because having a coach, having a a third-party, unbiased opinion,
1:03:48 Nick Bare? to come in and structure your training that has the experience, an experienced coach, and then follow your progress and make sure that you're progressing at the appropriate rates and times, not doing too much, and that third-party individual being able to say, "Hey, let's pull back. Let's stay disciplined. Let's restrain."
1:04:18 Nick Bare? Because as athletes, and as I've said, type A-driven individuals, we want to do more, even when we know we're not supposed to. "Give me a few extra miles. Give me a few extra reps of 800s on the speed workout. Give me a few extra hours of training this week. Now you're not ready. It's not the time. Let's build into this." That's the importance of having a coach.
1:04:45 Nick Bare? Because many of us, myself included, fall into the comparison pandemic. I have fallen for this many times.
1:04:54 Nick Bare? When, for example, I'm training for a racer competition, and I see someone online who's training for the same race or competition, and they're running more than me weekly. They're running faster than me. They're running their long runs earlier in the prep than I'm running mine. And it's really easy to see this and compare where you're at, what you're doing, to what they're doing, and adjust your training program or protocols to catch up to them. That's often when everything falls apart.
1:05:31 Nick Bare? Because more is not always better. Again, this is the importance of having a coach, but if you don't have a coach, staying disciplined and restraining yourself
1:05:44 Nick Bare? from thinking that more is better in terms of volume and intensity,
1:05:49 Nick Bare? which can eventually end up to burnout, injury, overtraining, under recovering.
1:05:59 Nick Bare? Sometimes less is actually the more optimized way to train, not just for performance, but for health and quality of life outcomes as well.
1:06:12 Nick Bare? All right, so the fifth and final lesson learned in the last five years of my fitness journey,
1:06:21 Nick Bare? that is that progress is not determined, not only determined by PRs.
1:06:31 Nick Bare? Progress is not only determined by PRs.
1:06:37 Nick Bare? I used to argue against this, that you were only progressing based off of the number of races or competitions you had on the calendar for that year. And you're only progressing as if those times got faster, if the place in which you placed got better,
1:07:02 Nick Bare? if you're becoming more impressive.
1:07:06 Nick Bare? And I'm speaking to the performance-focused individual who is and was me, but my mindset has shifted around progress over these last five years.
1:07:18 Nick Bare? I think PRs or personal records is part of the story of progress. It's a critical data point in measuring progress, but it doesn't tell the whole story. It's just part of the story. I used to always need a race, event, or competition on the calendar to be training for.
1:07:43 Nick Bare? And I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to have a race, event, or competition on the calendar to always be training for. This is not a bad thing by any means. I'm a huge proponent of it.
1:07:57 Nick Bare? But right now, I don't have a race every month on the calendar. It's one race or one competition a year that I can focus on before going into a sustainable base-building durability season.
1:08:15 Nick Bare? Part of that mindset shift for me has been how do I keep making progress in my health, fitness and performance goals in a way so that it doesn't take away from my other life responsibilities and priorities?
1:08:32 Nick Bare? How do I keep making progress in my fitness, in my health, in my performance goals? So that it doesn't affect my job, my work, my marriage, my family, how I show up for my kids?
1:08:55 Nick Bare? And I'll be very honest, and I'm extremely aware of this, I've learned this in this Ironman prep. As I'm deep into the prep right now, I'm 16 weeks into this prep at the time of this recording.
1:09:12 Nick Bare? When I get home at night after training and working a full day.
1:09:17 Nick Bare? And as I mentioned, one of the things I've had to sacrifice to make sure that I'm getting everything done is sleep, I'm exhausted when I get home. And at this point in the prep, I'm not happy with the way that I'm showing up in terms of physical, mental and emotional energy for my wife and my kids. I'm very aware of that, which is one of the reasons I'm excited for this prep to be done and the race to be done in two weeks because I've learned this prep in the season of life that I'm in right now, running and leading a business, married, kids, leading a family.
1:10:00 Nick Bare? An Ironman prep is and was probably the most time and energy demanding preparation I could have done. And I learned a lot in this prep, truly a transformational prep.
1:10:16 Nick Bare? Not necessarily in terms of fitness and performance, but mindset.
1:10:23 Nick Bare? May not have been the smartest or best time to do this prep. But I, I, I learned that very strongly.
1:10:35 Nick Bare? You know, the mindset shift is how do I keep making progress in my health, fitness and performance so that it doesn't take away from my other life priorities and responsibilities?
1:10:46 Nick Bare? Learning that the hard way in this prep, that's progress.
1:10:51 Nick Bare? I'm sure I'm going to hit a big PR, this, this Ironman and I'm planning on it.
1:10:57 Nick Bare? But that's not the win for me that I experienced in this prep.
1:11:01 Nick Bare? The win for me is, is realizing
1:11:07 Nick Bare? how hard it is to balance all these different goals. And that's the progress that I've made.
1:11:16 Nick Bare? I think one of the reasons that we
1:11:20 Nick Bare? typically prioritize
1:11:25 Nick Bare? that PR as the main data point for progress is because it's easy to measure progress through PRs.
1:11:33 Nick Bare? And if we really want to see progress, we do have to track it. We have to measure it. Ways that we can
1:11:40 Nick Bare? easily track and measure progress. So there's objective and there's subjective data points. We can track and measure nutrition. We can track and measure training. We can track and measure quality of life. We can track and measure biomarkers. Like a biomarker is an objectively measured data point. Quality of life is more subjective.
1:12:06 Nick Bare? Training has objective and subjective data points and nutrition is primarily objective data points. Very clear, like this is how we ate. This is what we ate and this is what happened. This is how we trained. This is when we trained and this is what happened.
1:12:25 Nick Bare? But I do think it's important to track our progress. If we want to see progress.
1:12:32 Nick Bare? Should be tracking our nutrition, should be tracking our training, should be maybe journaling or just making notes of what we're experiencing in life, the quality of life, how training and nutrition and these goals and fitness and health. It's impacting and influencing other parts of our life, our family, our relationships, our work.
1:12:57 Nick Bare? But something that I'm, I'm really confident in saying, and I stand firm in is that everything doesn't have to be optimized.
1:13:08 Nick Bare? You know, when we're
1:13:11 Nick Bare? chasing down PRs.
1:13:14 Nick Bare? And that is the only way to measure progress, personal records.
1:13:20 Nick Bare? I'm at fault of it myself, but
1:13:23 Nick Bare? when I go all in on a goal. I'm chasing down a personal record. I will white knuckle and try to control every variable in my life to make that PR happen. I will optimize everything possible.
1:13:40 Nick Bare? We live in a world right now, especially in the health and fitness space. Where we're being told how to optimize training, how to optimize sleep, how to optimize diet. What we should eat, what we shouldn't eat, how we should train, how we shouldn't train. What's the best way? What's good? What's not good?
1:14:05 Nick Bare? And to be honest, it's a lot of information to take in.
1:14:10 Nick Bare? Sometimes when I'm enjoying training and nutrition in this lifestyle, this fitness, health lifestyle the most. It's not following what's most optimized, it's just following what I love the most, what I love doing the most.
1:14:27 Nick Bare? And if you're doing what you love.
1:14:31 Nick Bare? It's gonna be enjoyable. It's gonna be sustainable. You're going to make progress objectively and subjectively. Regardless if you hit a PR or not. The PR just tells part of the story. But it's not the entire story. And honestly, it ties back to the first lesson I learned. And this is very specific to me individually. What I've learned these last five years of my fitness journey. Is I love, I love the balance of strength and endurance training.
1:15:16 Nick Bare? A pretty even 50 50 split. Occasionally, I go in after a performance focused goal of race or a competition. And that's fun. And I experienced breakthrough and I, and I learn a lot through those preps. I really do. But where I'm really enjoying training and I'm enjoying life. I'm having fun and I'm making progress that I can measure. But then some that I can't measure. It's just, it's a way that I feel. When it comes to fitness. And the way that I'm training is a split between throwing weights around in the gym
1:16:00 Nick Bare? and logging miles. That for me, that's the perfect balance. And it's taken me a lot of years, many years to, to figure that out. And I've only been able to figure that out by dipping my toes in all these different things. And I think that's what we're called to do is try different things. See what you enjoy being, you know, applicable to diet and nutrition and training and health. Figure out what works for you, what you love and do more of it.
1:16:41 Nick Bare? And if you can find that thing, find that way, find that structure, that's progress. It might not be a PR. Maybe it is.
1:16:50 Nick Bare? But that's progress.
1:16:52 Nick Bare? So, those are five lessons
1:16:56 Nick Bare? that I've learned in the last five years of my fitness journey that I wanted to share with you guys. Hope you enjoyed it. And as always, go one more.
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