115: The Rise of the King of Moab with Max Jolliffe

The King of Moab is here. In this episode, we sit down with Max Jolliffe, an ultra runner who recently claimed victory at the Moab 240. Max opens up about his journey from struggling with addiction to finding purpose and success in ultra running. We get into his training regimen, the psychological and physical challenges of ultra-running, and the life-changing decisions that have shaped his path and the relentless pursuit of personal growth. CHAPTERS: 00:44 Discussing the Moab 240 Film 01:42 Overcoming Adversity During the Race 05:47 The Final Push to Victory 13:35 Max's Running Journey 18:29 The Power of Small Wins 25:17 Struggles with Addiction and Getting Sober 33:02 The Importance of Community and Support 43:38 Getting into Running: A Life-Changing Decision 47:11 The Importance of Running Competence 50:01 Realizing Potential in Running 53:00 The Mental Strength in Ultra Running 01:13:51 Training and Preparation for Moab 01:18:44 Final Thoughts and Future Goals MENTIONS: Winning by Tim Grover Relentless by Tim Grover Outliers by Malcom Gladwell Watch King of Moab film https://youtu.be/euOpy884bgQ?si=0CZvV5npJdfG2r__ CONNECT: Become a BPN member FOR FREE - Unlock 20% off FOR LIFE https://www.bareperformancenutrition.com/pages/bpn-membership?srsltid=AfmBOorlpjVeag2kkt3eZ5UpWcFA5Bb2v5V_93lmO47Vn_Y8DRdLwDLL FOLLOW: IG: instagram.com/nickbarefitness/ YT:youtube.com/@nickbarefitness KEEP UP WITH MAX IG: @woah_max

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• 0:05Nick Bare?

  Today on the podcast, we have Max Jolliffe, the king of Moab. Welcome, brother.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me.

• 0:15Nick Bare?

  What's going on?

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Nothing much. We're just here at BPN Athlete Week, just having a blast.

• 0:20Nick Bare?

  It's a good week.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:21Nick Bare?

  It's a really good week. I got the opportunity to meet you for the first time.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:25Nick Bare?

  Yesterday.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  Yep, at the shooting range.

• 0:27Nick Bare?

  At the gun range.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:28Nick Bare?

  And I got to log some miles with you, share some miles with you this morning. It's been a great week so far, so I appreciate you.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  No, thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 0:35Nick Bare?

  And the newest BPN athlete.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:37Nick Bare?

  So congratulations.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  Thank you. It's, uh, it's an honor to be on the team.

• 0:41Nick Bare?

  Love having you on the team.

• 0:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you.

• 0:44Nick Bare?

  I want to jump right into it.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 0:46Nick Bare?

  All right, so I, I recently just finished, uh, your film on Moab, and it was incredible.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 0:55Nick Bare?

  And there were so many parts of that film that really stood out, but there's one specifically that you got emotional at, which got me emotional at. And at this point in the race, you're 200 miles in to a 240-mile ultra in Moab, Utah. You are 15 miles behind first place at Geyser Pass Aid Station, and you had the opportunity to go take the win with 40 miles left. And you said,

• 1:38Nick Bare?

  "My legs were gifted back to me."

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42Nick Bare?

  Can you take me back to that exact moment and explain what was happening?

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, uh... I mean, it's like, I feel like it was so crazy just how everything came together and almost I couldn't believe that this like honestly like miracle had happened to me. So for the first hundred and some odd miles of the race, I was leading, I mean, Harry led for the first 20 miles and then we kind of, we were going back and forth like at the beginning of the race, but for a solid hundred miles, I was leading the race and pushing pretty hard. And once I got to the 140 mile mark, I came into that aid station and it was after this big downhill section and my legs just, I mean, running downhill at mile 140, my

• 2:28Speaker 01

  legs just had, were shot and my quads were cramping and seizing up and I took a little nap and got a little reset and my, my legs kind of came back, but it was like, I, I was encountering this adversity with my legs where I felt like I'd come into these aid stations and my legs would be so beat up where I was like, I don't even know if I can make it to the next aid, I don't even know if I can continue walking, let alone running for even another mile, two miles, three miles, and I got a hundred more to go in this race. And, um, yeah, it, the, at mile 140 and 170, uh, both of those times,

• 3:11Speaker 01

  I walked into those aid stations with my legs just so shot that I couldn't, I didn't know how it was going to be possible for me to even continue or finish the race. And then kind of the same thing happened at that mile 200 aid station where I came in and I was like, I need to just get my legs back. And, uh, everything kind of had just come together where I got, I got some good food in me. I got a quick little rest. I took a little nap. I got the message from Cam, which was just like super inspirational. I got a hit of adrenaline, you know, seeing the tracker and, you know, Harry being, it's like the stars had kind of aligned for me to get this opportunity to make this move.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  And, uh, for the last 40 miles, my legs were just, they were there, which is crazy.

• 4:01Nick Bare?

  For no one, for no one who has ever like experienced that before. Can you try to like articulate and explain what it means when you say like your legs turn back on and what the opposite is of them being off? Like what kind of pain are you feeling?

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:19Nick Bare?

  In your legs?

• 4:20Speaker 01

  It's just uh like a pain that's so uh

• 4:27Speaker 01

  yeah, it's like everything's just so tight. I mean, when I would look at my quads, my muscle fibers were like fluttering on my quad muscles. So uh just think of like a really bad cramp. Everything's just super tight. It almost feels impossible to move. And then um getting a little reset or taking some electrolytes, doing things that can fix that issue um were like what I did. And I was just getting a little bit of relief each time. But um like that last, and maybe it was just like mental strength of

• 5:09Speaker 01

  like, I'm just gonna dig deep and grind this out and not even think about the pain. It's like my adrenaline for uh just trying to make that move at the very end like just made my pain disappear. Like I ran some of my fastest miles of the entire race after leaving that mile 200 eight station.

• 5:26Nick Bare?

  That's crazy.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Which is insane. Yeah. It's it's impossible. It seems like it should be impossible. Like how how can someone do that? Yeah. And like, it's even crazy to me and it happened to me, you know?

• 5:39Nick Bare?

  I mean, I obviously wasn't at the race.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:42Nick Bare?

  But I got to kind of relive it with you in the film.

• 5:47Nick Bare?

  Can you kind of talk about the mindset shift that happened with those 40 miles left? Because from from the way that I kind of experienced it through you in the film, it was like this warrior mentality came back.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:02Nick Bare?

  At mile 200 and it was all this aggression and grit and focus.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 6:07Nick Bare?

  And I was like, I'm I'm gonna take this back. Cause I mean, this is an epic story where there's 40 miles left of the race. You're 15 miles behind and you come back to win? I would I would I would say that's typically kind of unheard of.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Right. And mind you, against one of the greatest 200 mile runners of all time in my first 200 mile race that I ever ran. Yeah, it's uh.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  The mindset going into that, that last, you know, leaving that last aid station, I mean, like the message from Cam helped so much. I just, being with my crew, like my crew fired me up. Mackenzie made the decision for me that I had to go alone with no Pacer in that last section. Like it was all on me to, uh, just try to make up some of this gap. And to be honest, I wasn't even, I didn't even know if it would be possible with that amount, with only 40 miles left to catch this guy that's already 15 miles ahead of me. So I just wanted to try to close the gap a little bit. And the more, the more progress I was making on him, the more energy it was giving me. It was like every mile that I was gaining

• 7:16Speaker 01

  on him was giving me more power to continue on and push harder. And it was almost this snowball effect of, uh, just digging deep and really just going for it. Like taking my hail mary shot at like trying to win. Cause, and like there were even like seeds, like I, I didn't know if it would have been possible for me to come back from that big of a gap. And, uh, yeah, I just, I was like, I just have to try. This is my only opportunity. It's the end of the race. This is my chance. Like I'm, I just gotta go for it no matter what.

• 7:50Nick Bare?

  And at what point did you, how many miles left till, when you passed him?

• 7:55Speaker 01

  So it was between the, the last aid station and the finish line. I think we were maybe two or three miles out from that, uh, past that aid station. And I was, I was checking the tracker because I didn't have phone service for pretty much the entire race until the last leaving mile 200, I finally got service. So I was on my phone checking the tracker, seeing how far he was ahead of me. And on the tracker, you can see people's speed at how fast they're moving. And I kept seeing that he was either moving really slow or stopped. So, um, I'd see that and I'd be like this, I can make up, I can make up some ground here and, uh, just push hard. I'm going to run for the next 30 minutes, not even

• 8:38Speaker 01

  look at my watch and just run as hard as I can. And then I checked the tracker again in 30 minutes. And I was like, miles were coming off, uh, the distance between me and him. And it wasn't until I was maybe three, two to three miles out. So I had gained.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  13 miles on him where I was like, holy shit, I'm actually catching him and uh, yeah, just got really emotional just in the middle of the desert in Utah in the middle of the night running by myself just crying, just crying.

• 9:11Nick Bare?

  After you passed him?

• 9:13Speaker 01

  No, before I passed him and then I stopped and uh, he, so when I passed him, I didn't even see him. Uh, I saw his pacer. He was actually sleeping in a bush and I just made, I made sure to stop and uh, I asked if they needed anything and I wanted to make sure that he was okay. Uh, before I continued on and then uh, when I continued on, I was like, holy shit, I can't believe I'm gonna win my, it was, yeah, it was just like crazy.

• 9:38Nick Bare?

  How many miles left were of the race when you passed him?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Probably, probably somewhere like 15 miles. So 15 miles out from the finish.

• 9:49Nick Bare?

  And from those last 15 miles, you pretty much knew?

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:53Nick Bare?

  You were taking him the win?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:54Nick Bare?

  How emotional was that? Like, what did that feel like?

• 9:56Speaker 01

  It was crazy. I, I could not believe that everything that happened in the race was happening. Like, I, I couldn't believe that it was happening to me, you know? Um, yeah, just like, I, I have so much respect for Harry, this guy that I was doing battle with. I mean, he's like such an amazing uh, ultra runner and he's just a legend and uh, one of the greatest to ever do it and to like pass him, I don't know, it was just uh, yeah, I just honestly couldn't believe it.

• 10:28Nick Bare?

  And then when you cross the finish line, how surreal was that moment breaking the tape?

• 10:34Speaker 01

  It was uh, I was actually just talking to uh, to Jordan out there about it, uh, or Trey, um. I was in this weird like disassociated dream state for even like days after the race and I think part of that is just from being awake and moving and exerting myself for 69 hours straight that uh, I almost like saw what was happening to my life, it to me and my life from like a third person perspective. It was like very strange uh, experience and uh,

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and even for the next like week or so after the race, like I didn't feel normal or myself for quite a while. And part of that's like after an ultra, you can't, you can't sleep. So I had already not slept for three days and then couldn't sleep for another four or five days. So my, my brain was just on the fritz and everything seemed weird and strange and surreal. Yeah, it was like, that was a very unexpected thing that kind of happened at the end of the race and afterwards.

• 11:38Nick Bare?

  I kind of want to, I want to talk about what is Moab 240?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:41Nick Bare?

  For anyone listening to this who isn't familiar with the race, because you didn't just go win another ultra, you won the ultra.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:52Nick Bare?

  Like Moab 240, can you briefly explain to the audience who, who might not be familiar with the train, the distance, the notoriety of this race?

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Um, so Moab 240, it's one of, uh, I mean, there's not too many 200 mile races out there and, uh, there's only a couple that are even longer than 200. So Moab 240, Cogodona 250. I mean, these are regarded as like some of the longest, toughest races in the world. And, um, Moab specifically has kind of become popular from very notorious people running the race, like David Goggins, Courtney DeWalter, um, Cam Haynes. Uh, so that's like, I found out about that race through those people. And, um, I don't know, to me, after running, uh, multiple hundred milers, it was just like the next great challenge, you know?

• 12:48Speaker 01

  And, uh, I, when I, when I, uh, when I submitted my entry into Moab and I got accepted, I, I literally dedicated my entire year to training for Moab. And that was like multiple races leading up to, uh, Moab, which was at the end of the year. It was like I, I had planned and dedicated my entire life to training and competing in this race.

• 13:13Nick Bare?

  Yeah. If we do talk about the prep.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:16Nick Bare?

  On other podcasts and interviews. It's truly impressive, like the dedication you committed to for that entire year. So your performance by no means was a chance. It was all earned.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:31Nick Bare?

  Because the work you put in. I eventually want to get to talk about your prep. But really lay the foundation of how you got to where you are right now.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:41Nick Bare?

  Because your running journey and career, which is very short, is so unique in this space. And for you to win Moab after only a few years of running.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:52Nick Bare?

  Is so unique. I heard you describe, I think it was with the podcast you did with Sally, where

• 13:59Nick Bare?

  you're kind of like this black sheep in the ultra running community.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:02Nick Bare?

  Well, why do you say that?

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Um, just because I don't have the stereotypical background. Like I didn't, I didn't even run to high school. I didn't run in college. Like I started running when I was like in my late 20s, mid to late 20s and

• 14:18Speaker 01

  yeah, like everything has just happened so quick that I feel like, I don't know, maybe I just feel different than some of the most elite guys or even the guys that I'm competing against. Like most of these dudes have been running ultras and competing for 10, 15, 20 years.

• 14:34Nick Bare?

  Decades.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, decades. And I'm like, I ran my first one in 2022, you know? So, um, yeah, it's just, I I feel like, uh, yeah, I'm just, my, my rise to, uh, where I'm at now is just like not been the, uh, the typical path to professional runner or ultra runner. Yeah. And like, I didn't even really expect any of this. I just like wanted a challenge and I just love training.

• 15:03Nick Bare?

  So you didn't start running until 2017?

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, around 2017. Yeah.

• 15:09Nick Bare?

  And your first ultra was 2020?

• 15:11Speaker 01

  22.

• 15:12Nick Bare?

  2022.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Ran my first marathon in 2019.

• 15:15Nick Bare?

  What was the first marathon?

• 15:17Speaker 01

  It was OC Marathon. It's my hometown marathon.

• 15:20Nick Bare?

  What was your time there?

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Uh, 327. Like, I was just shooting for four hours. Like, I was like, that, people say four hours, that seems like a decent time for a first marathon, and I ran 327. So I just like, I mean, that's been like my experience. Every race, I like have this conservative number that I'm, I think that would maybe be a good result, and I always like, end up exceeding my expectations. Like, and definitely this last year and all the success in the races is kind of like, I don't know, raised my expectations of what I'm capable of, you know?

• 15:58Speaker 01

  And, uh, yeah, just like even Moab was just like a huge validation for me that I belong here and I'm capable of performing against some of the best in the world and, yeah.

• 16:15Nick Bare?

  It's kind of like what we were talking about on the run this morning.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 16:18Nick Bare?

  Where, and I use the term glass ceiling because it's what my running coach Jeff Cunningham, uh, the way he described to me, like people in life will have like this glass ceiling for the potential they think they can achieve. And then once you break that glass ceiling, it doesn't necessarily like raise the glass ceiling, it eliminates the glass ceiling. And you realize after that, that, holy shit, nothing is impossible. I can go chase down whatever it is I want. And one of my favorite like stories and lessons from one of my favorite books, it's by this author, Tim Grover.

• 17:01Nick Bare?

  Tim Grover was the, the personal trainer for Kobe, for, for Jordan, a lot of the greats in basketball.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:12Nick Bare?

  And his book, Winning, is incredible. He has another book called Relentless. Great books.

• 17:20Nick Bare?

  And one of the lessons and stories he talks about in winning is that in life you need to like set a goal and chase it down. And when you accomplish that first goal, when you finally get that first win, that win instills confidence and it it provides you enough confidence to go after a bigger win. And eventually when you get that bigger win, it builds more confidence. So we now start this streak in life of setting goals that become harder and harder and harder. And as we accomplish them, we gain more confidence. As we fail towards them, we just make improvements and refine. So this entire process is just getting better. And we remove the glass ceiling.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 18:05Nick Bare?

  And that's what like all of these goals that we're setting can do for us. It's not just getting a medal or a buckle or saying we ran this certain time. It has effects on every other part of our life. For you, I love to hear like, what is that that first win? Maybe in like in life as a whole, but running specifically, like what are some of those first wins that you ever experienced that unlocked this realization that, dude, I can do whatever I want?

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I think in life, like when I was, when I was younger, when I was a kid, when I was growing up, I, I, I never really felt like I was good at anything. Like I definitely wasn't a good athlete. Um, I don't know. I, I, I never really felt like I was winning or I was succeeding. And, um, I got caught up in just a bunch of stuff as a young adult and got, uh, got addicted to drugs and, uh, after high school, just had no direction and my life was going down a really bad path. And, uh, I made the decision to get sober when I was 20 years old. So that was probably the first like.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Big achievement or like thing that I did where I I set myself down the right path and it felt like, I mean, every day that I was able to stay sober felt like a win. Um, cause for a long time I couldn't, I couldn't stay clean for one single day. So, uh, that like, and it's almost like I'm a run streaker. So like, like when you get sober, it's like every day you're on this like streak of sobriety. So that's, I don't know, I, I, I see a lot of parallels with, uh, just like me getting sober and my journey in running that, uh, have provided me a lot of validation and success and just goals along the way. I mean, starting from when I got sober,

• 20:09Speaker 01

  like I had no life. I had nothing going on. I didn't have a job. I was going nowhere fast. I, I really had nothing and, uh, just being able to like, put like, put a little bit of a life together and like, get a job and like, live a normal life and, uh, learn how to, you know, just deal with everyday life and, um, lessons I learned along the way and, you know, setting goals at work or setting goals with hobbies. It was like, and then I find running and then running is like such a great way to, uh, set little attainable achievable goals where like, I remember when I first started running, like I couldn't, I couldn't run three miles outside and I was, I remember thinking, if I could run 10 miles, like that's like,

• 20:54Speaker 01

  if I could run 10 miles without stopping, like that's like the ultimate goal. Like that seemed impossible for me at one point in time. And, uh, and then just like working towards that. And every, every time I'd go for a run, like try to run a little bit further, closer to that 10 mile goal, um, or try to run a little bit faster. And then, uh, it was just these like small little wins that I was, uh, that I was getting along the way. And like you said, it, that it's like the snowball effect. It just builds confidence. Like, oh, I can do this thing. Maybe I can set a new, a new goal and, you know, uh, run 10 miles and then, hey, I just ran 10 miles. Like, it's like almost a half marathon. Maybe I can sign up and train for a marathon and like, that's the next goal. And then run one marathon. And then it's like, okay, I'm going to do another one. And then I'm going

• 21:38Speaker 01

  to try this ultra trail race. And it's just like, that's been my progression into, uh,

• 21:47Speaker 01

  In a, in a running is just like finding these new challenges, these new goals and working towards them and achieving, achieving the goals. Yeah.

• 21:55Nick Bare?

  It's actually a really good observation that you, you just pointed out that I believe I sometimes overlook is we talk about like these wins that build confidence. I think it's really easy to look at these wins as these, these big things on the scoreboard. Like a hundred mile race or surpassing a certain revenue goal in your business. Or like graduating with this certain degree, getting a certain promotion, like these big scoreboard celebration type wins.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Sometimes the small wins are even more important.

• 22:28Nick Bare?

  Exactly.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:29Nick Bare?

  And until you just said that, I didn't think about it. We're like, people might be going through something in life and it's the small wins that provide the confidence just to keep going one additional day. It's not these big hail Mary wins that you need all the time.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 22:46Nick Bare?

  To keep pushing forward.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that can even be just like making my bed in the morning or like eating healthy during the day, not, you know, I mean, yeah, like quitting smoking cigarettes, like not smoking a cigarette for an entire day. Like that was at one point in time was a win for me, you know, like, uh, so yeah, it's like, it, it can be literally anything, uh, that's a goal that you set for yourself to do to just make yourself better. Yeah.

• 23:16Nick Bare?

  So your life now looks completely different than it did.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Totally different. Yeah.

• 23:20Nick Bare?

  Twelve years.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  I mean, if you told me 10, 15 years ago where I would be today, I, it's, there's no way I could have even imagined, like, I didn't, I didn't even know, I didn't even know I was any good at running, you know? It was just like, kind of this thing that I stumbled into by accident. And I was like, oh, I'm actually kind of, for one, like this thing. And somewhere along the line, I really fell in love with running and training and, uh, especially from, you know, not being a talented athlete and, uh, yeah, I just like really decided to, uh, once I found out that I liked it and I was like, kind of good at it. I was like, I'm just going to lean into this thing and, uh, push myself and see where, see where it takes me. Yeah.

• 23:59Nick Bare?

  I think some of the most successful people in life. I found this common denominator. It's, it's pretty universal. Where earlier in their life, they weren't perceived as anything great. I mean, you have like the every once in a while, stud athlete or genius that was younger and then just kind of transcended into.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  The LeBron James.

• 24:24Nick Bare?

  Exactly. Yeah. But there are so many people, like myself included, where I remember being in high school, looking around at all my peers and friends, thinking they're all smarter than me. They're all more talented than me, then they're all better at sports than me. So I just accepted the fact that I'm just like this average kid, who's gonna live an average life and achieve nothing great. But then I found something that I was passionate about. Never with the intent of like turning into something great, but I was truly passionate about it. And I just started refining my craft. And that naturally led me to chapters of, of success and wins.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  It's like Malcolm Gladwell's outliers. It's like when opportunity meets preparation is when greatness happens, you know?

• 25:14Nick Bare?

  I, I fully believe in that. So what was it when you were younger and after struggling with addiction, substance abuse, that was the catalyst to you getting sober?

• 25:30Speaker 01

  What was the catalyst to me getting sober?

• 25:31Nick Bare?

  Yeah.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  It was just like, dude, I was like, I was dying. Like I was overdosing. I was getting arrested. It was like the, literally the walls of my life were caving in. I'm like, the decision was, was made for me. Like I didn't have a decision. Like my probation officer showed up, like the day I got sober, my probation officer showed up at my house. I'd been on formal probation from getting in trouble, getting arrested before, and I'm on probation and I failed 10 drug tests. Like I literally could not get clean and um.

• 26:02Nick Bare?

  Did you want to get clean?

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanted to and I just couldn't, you know, I was, I was stuck. And I mean, I was a heroin addict. Like I literally could not get sober and as much as I tried and I had tried multiple times. And I had little brief stints of sobriety, but um, I was just like so stuck and uh, I just like got arrested again and got. Probation officer showed up at my house and she's like, hey, you've failed your 10th drug test. You're going in for a probation violation. Like you're done. You're out of here. And I was like, okay, this, this is, you know, this is what I get. And, uh, I remember that being a point where I was like, this might be my only opportunity to get sober.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Is like just getting taken away, locked up, getting put away from just all the bullshit and the people that I was around. And just this like shitty life that I was stuck in. And I was like, if I can just spend three months in jail, like, I mean, you can, you can get, I mean, there's drugs in jail. But I was, I was like, this might be my chance to just like be removed from my life and just really start down this new path and make a decision where I'm just going to be sober. Like I, I can't, there, I tried many different ways of just drinking or just trying to smoke weed or, you know, switching from one thing to another, and nothing ever worked for me.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  It's like, I'm, have such an addictive mind and, uh, I take everything to the extreme that, uh, there's no, it's just all or nothing for me. There's no like maintaining like a little bit of partying. It's, uh,

• 27:41Speaker 01

  and as crazy as, as this might sound is like that thing, that obsession that kept me fucked up for so long and was literally killing me, I, I believe is almost the same thing that makes me great at what I do now. And my, gives me drive and dedication and like literally the same obsession, like I'm obsessed with running. I've just kind of switched my, my vice from this thing that was killing me to this thing that's like, I mean, sometimes it feels like it's killing me, but this thing that's, you know, given me this beautiful life, this challenge. Like it, I mean, running like, it really saved my life.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which is crazy that like, how, like, how can running save your life, you know?

• 28:27Nick Bare?

  I feel like I hear so many people say that though.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:30Nick Bare?

  And.

• 28:32Nick Bare?

  I'm curious like your, uh, your thoughts on this, but I've met a lot of people who have to kind of taken their obsession with whatever it is. You know, a lot of times it substance abuse, drugs, alcohol, and taking that from that substance to running.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:52Nick Bare?

  Or endurance sports and it become just as addicted to that sport.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  If you can harness that power, it, it's so powerful or if you can harness that it's super, super powerful. Yeah.

• 29:03Nick Bare?

  When you got out of jail, so you were in jail for three months?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Three months. Yeah.

• 29:09Nick Bare?

  What changes did you make other than, um, just not using drugs and alcohol?

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I got super involved with, uh, 12 step groups and from like my, my small stints of sobriety from like trying to get sober. I, I, I knew where to go and I knew what to do. I was just for so long stuck in this place where I just like couldn't make it back there. And as soon as I got out of jail, I just like surrounded myself with good sober people and I like really like, just got this whole new community of people that like, actually for the first time in my life, I was surrounded by people who cared about me and wanted the best for me. And were showing me how to live a normal life and do the right thing. And, um, yeah, that was kind of just like the biggest change that I made was like who I surrounded myself with.

• 29:59Nick Bare?

  So one of the things we were talking about in the drive over here.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:02Nick Bare?

  Is like the, the famous saying and quote, like, show me your friends and I will show you who you are. Show me your team and I will show you your future.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 30:11Nick Bare?

  Did you make a really hard cut when you got out of jail saying like the people that I used to associate with are no longer going to be in my life?

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it was like, I mean, it was crazy when I just doing the shit that I was doing, like being a heroin addict, uh, like, like those people started dying. Like people were dying left and right. Um, and yeah, that was just like, I mean, such a wake up call where I was like, I, I just like, don't want to die. Cause I knew that I was on that path where there was like, it's either jail, death or institutions. Like that's like the only options for, um, Someone who's like struggling with addiction and it's like that that road ends nowhere good and it was just like this new path was the only path for me. It was the only option.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  And I just never wanted to go back. I never want to feel like how I felt the day before I got sober. It was like every day of my life up until April 6, 2012. Every day felt like the worst day of my life. Day after day after day and it was like I just never want to go back there. I never want to feel like that again. And yeah, that's like a huge driving force for me to just stay on, just stay on this path, you know?

• 31:28Nick Bare?

  I'm sure that like that that journey was very challenging.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:32Nick Bare?

  And I mean, I don't have personal experience with addiction, but like just talking to people who have gone through that.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:39Nick Bare?

  And then becoming sober, like the the challenge of what that is.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:43Nick Bare?

  Was there a moment after you decided to get sober, went to jail, came home? Where you finally realized, oh, I have a grasp of my life again and I can take it to wherever I want. Was there a day where like? Holy crap.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I think that just like was pretty gradual and came over time with just like starting to piece, just starting to piece my life back together and like getting a job at a cool company and like making new friends and

• 32:12Speaker 01

  you know, like, like dating and like just, just the growing up, like I had never grown up. I was just living this life that was miserable and shitty and going nowhere. And then I start on this path and I'm like, oh, I'm now I'm like actually living a normal life and it was I don't know if there was a certain moment where I where I felt that, but it was just like the small wins along the way, you know?

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Moving like moving out of a sober living house into a like apartment with friends, like that was a big milestone. Getting promotions at at work, like that was a big milestone, like doing new things, like starting to like getting back into surfing, getting back into skateboarding. All these things that I had kind of like given up on my life. It was like a lot of those things where I was, I don't know, it was just like, oh, I'm getting my life back. Yeah.

• 33:02Nick Bare?

  I'm curious, your thoughts on this and like based off your experience. And a lot of the thought of this is coming around, just like this being BPN athlete week. It's like all the athletes are in town, flown in from out of state, out of country, bringing people together. And one of the things you and I were talking about was just the power of having people together.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:23Nick Bare?

  In your corner, who are trying to do great things.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:27Nick Bare?

  And not just achieve like great success, but also putting a lot of importance around the how they are achieving great success.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:39Nick Bare?

  How much of an influence was like your friend group and the people around you growing up that led you to like this downward spiral of addiction? And then on the flip side, having a powerful community to help you get out of it because I think it's really easy to look at people who have made wrong decisions.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:00Nick Bare?

  And put all the blame on them. But you're also a product of your environment. And if, if that's all you know, like you can make the decisions on your, your own, but like your community, your group, your friends, your peers, they're gonna, they're gonna lead you in the wrong direction sometimes.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:16Nick Bare?

  So choosing who's in your corner, who's in your circle.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:19Nick Bare?

  Is so important for all seasons of life.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, definitely it was I, and there's this like weird camaraderie that I have with a lot of my friends who we were all on the same path together and like, I mean, I'm, I've had a lot of friends pass away and a lot of friends die, but I'm lucky that some of my very, very best friends who I, I feel like we were in the trenches together, like a lot of my friends are sober. So I'm like not the only one and I've been able to help some of these guys get sober, which is like a huge gift and I feel.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Like honored to lead by example for a lot of my friends that maybe haven't been sober as long as me, but um yeah, just like, I don't know, I'm uplifted and inspired by, you know, a lot of these guys that we're spending time with this week, like I feel like I'm like just super inspired about some of the guys passions for just, I mean, even lifting or triathlon, like stuff that I don't even do. Um, and I don't know, it's like, it's cool that you can be uplifted by others and uh, yeah, you're not like destined or stuck to a certain group of people, like

• 35:39Speaker 01

  everyone can be elevated together. Um, and I can overcome something and help others overcome maybe some of their struggles and um, yeah, be inspired by new people that I'm meeting. Like, yeah, it's a, it's a cool thing.

• 35:55Nick Bare?

  I get really inspired by people who aren't necessarily doing exactly what I'm doing, but have a lot of-

• 36:01Speaker 01

  They have the same passion.

• 36:02Nick Bare?

  A lot of passion and care for their work. Like when I watch someone, like Russell Orphe is a great example. Russ is a world level elite powerlifter. And when I watch him train, he's by himself, headphones on.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Beast.

• 36:18Nick Bare?

  He is at war.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:20Nick Bare?

  He cares about the smallest details. He's so intentional. Like he's getting after it. When you watch someone that is so passionate and cares about their craft and their skill in what they do, you can't help but be inspired.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:35Nick Bare?

  And then apply that to your life.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:37Nick Bare?

  Doesn't have to be the same activities, sport, career, anything. But when you see someone care so much about what they do, you respect that.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:46Nick Bare?

  And you want to carry that over into your life.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I, I love that you mentioned that when the conversation that we had earlier at the, at the athlete houses, house, it's like caring is like caring about what you're doing is like so simple, but such an important thing. Like I feel like in my life, like when I was younger, And this is like so, it's so funny. I, I used to think it was cool, like in skateboarding, like these guys that would like get drunk and go skate and like it, it almost seemed like they didn't care about anything and uh, like not giving a fuck was cool. And nowadays it's like, I think that's so lame. Like I really love and I'm inspired by

• 37:30Speaker 01

  the people that work really, really hard for something and care a lot. And maybe they don't even achieve that goal. Maybe they attempt and fail multiple, multiple times, but like that's way more appealing to me than like the guy that just like doesn't even try and is like just gifted and talented. Like I like the guy that's like working and failing over and over and over. And then to see that person finally succeed, like there's nothing cooler than that.

• 37:58Nick Bare?

  Yeah. I wonder what it is because when I was younger, it was the same way. Like you, you put these people, it was cool not to care. But when and why does it shift at some point where you realize that's not cool, man?

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, no. Yeah. I think maybe once you start to value hard work, it's like that's the people putting in the work. It's like, I don't give a shit about the phenom. That's just like, it comes super easy to him. Like I, I work really hard for everything that I've done and achieved. It's like, I, it's just like so much more relatable for like the, the guy that's, that's actually trying, actually putting in the work, actually caring and winning. Like that's, I, that's the juice right there.

• 38:42Nick Bare?

  Yeah. I love the, the like come from behind.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  The underdog.

• 38:48Nick Bare?

  Underdog stories. Like Rudy, the movie Rudy is a great example of like truly coming from behind, being the underdog. No one ever believed in them. And they don't pursue greatness or to accomplish these goals to prove anyone else wrong. It's because they truly, going back to their passion and they care about it. They want to do it for themselves. They work so hard to get it done. And then they finally do. There's so much respect behind the process that they endured.

• 39:22Nick Bare?

  I mean, you're like, your entire last 10 to 15 years has been this process of refinement to get you to where you're at right now. So the successes that you're experiencing

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:35Nick Bare?

  is just from this compounded consistency of over a decade now and making this massive shift in your life. It's the power of like a decision.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:45Nick Bare?

  Like people's lives, and I don't think many people realize this, like your life can change today from one decision.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 39:54Nick Bare?

  And it resets the trajectory.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Of your entire life forever.

• 39:58Nick Bare?

  Entire life. You look back 10 years later and you're like, if I didn't make that one decision, if I didn't get sober, if I didn't pursue this goal, I wouldn't be here right now.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  If I didn't risk it, right?

• 40:09Nick Bare?

  If you didn't, yeah, if you didn't, if you didn't go for the risk.

• 40:14Nick Bare?

  There's so much power.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:15Nick Bare?

  In like one decision, but a lot of people don't realize like they have that power because they're constantly playing defense, but you have the ability to put yourself in offense.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:26Nick Bare?

  It's powerful.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Very powerful. Yeah, I feel, I just feel lucky, man. I just feel lucky.

• 40:33Nick Bare?

  Well, it's been a lot of work.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:35Nick Bare?

  A lot of preparation.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:37Nick Bare?

  I, I, I do believe in luck. Like there's moments. So we're provided these opportunities.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  And everything some stick seems to come together magically.

• 40:46Nick Bare?

  Yep.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  By some force. Yeah.

• 40:50Nick Bare?

  I want to take a quick break in this episode to talk to you guys about how I use our products around my endurance training and how you can as well. Now here at BPN, we've created products to fuel your performance and optimize your recovery. But I want to talk specifically around how I use these products in my morning run. Before my morning run, every morning, I'm not training fasted. I want carbohydrates and I want electrolytes. So I consume two scoops of G1M Sport, which is our carbohydrate and electrolyte powder, and one go bar, which is our lightweight oat-based bar.

• 41:32Nick Bare?

  With this combination, I'm getting about 800 mg of sodium and 76 grams of carbohydrates total. Carbohydrates for the fuel, electrolytes for the hydration. This is going to set me up to have the best run possible. Fuel and hydration. Now, based off of the distance, duration, and intensity of that run, I will add in GO gels during the workout. And the GO gel is our simple ingredient, endurance gel, 24 grams of carbohydrates in each gel, and 110 mg of sodium. We have a non-caffeinated version and a caffeinated version.

• 42:16Nick Bare?

  The caffeinated version has 75 mg of caffeine per gel. And I will have one GO gel every 30 to 45 minutes, or every four to five miles. And we really created the GO gel for these bigger effort runs, or endurance training sessions, and races. They are extremely useful during races because you get a quick hit of energy from the fuel, the carbohydrates, some hydration from the electrolytes, the sodium, but they also digest very easily. So you're not going to have stomach discomfort and GI distress. And then after my run, I want to rehydrate, so I'm always adding in our electrolyte powder,

• 43:01Nick Bare?

  one to two scoops. Each scoop has 500 mg of sodium, full electrolyte profile. So I'm using our products to fuel training, enhance hydration, maintain effort intensity during training sessions with the GO gel, and then rehydrating immediately after. So that's how I use our products around my early morning runs and all my endurance training, and how you can as well. So, good to be PNSubs.com. Check out all of our endurance products to fuel your performance. And now, back to the episode. So I do want to talk about how you got into running.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:42Nick Bare?

  Because I think it's a, it's a very interesting story.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:46Nick Bare?

  Now from what I understand, you had a roommate at the time, he was a bodybuilder.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:50Nick Bare?

  You had a skating injury.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:52Nick Bare?

  And then he kind of convinced you to go to the gym?

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this is kind of going back to like that decision, like another decision that kind of changed the trajectory in my life. It was, I, I was just like, I was out of shape. I hadn't done anything for six months. I was pretty much on the couch. I was on a knee scooter. I was on crutches and a knee scooter for a long time and I was just super out of shape, just feeling shitty. And I remember him saying like, hey, one of the best investments you can make in your life is in your health and your fitness. And why don't you just start coming to the gym with me? I'll show you, just pay the 30 bucks for the 24 hour gym membership and I'll just show you what to do. And I was like, okay.

• 44:33Nick Bare?

  How'd you meet this guy by chance?

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Uh, we got sober together. Yeah.

• 44:37Nick Bare?

  Okay.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  So friend I had made through sobriety and I ended up moving in with him. We were living together and uh, yeah, I just started going to the gym with him and he was, showed me, I mean, I, I had lifted, I was on the wrestling team in high school and we would, we'd go to the gym and lift. But he like really showed me, um, just like different exercises, exercises and uh, just the stuff that he was pretty much doing. And uh, I liked going to the gym. I liked pushing myself, but I, at the time wasn't, I mean, I love lifting now. Um, but at the time I wasn't really trying to do what he was doing. I mean, he was like bodybuilder and I was like,

• 45:17Speaker 01

  I'm just going to kind of start to do my own thing and I eventually found myself just grabbing, gravitating to the cardio area at the gym. And like the, before I started running, I actually got like addicted to the stair climber. Like the stair machine was my first real entrance into like endurance athletics. Like I would, I would go to the gym and do the stair climber for an hour.

• 45:41Nick Bare?

  Yeah, you're a psychopath, man.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is like so hard and difficult that like, I, I just like difficult things. I liked, I just craved the challenge. And um, I couldn't even run because my ankle was still messed up. So I hadn't even ran on the treadmill yet. And I was just like going to the gym and just doing the stair climber for an hour, hour and a half, like just was so, I, I just got hooked. And um, eventually I transitioned to running on the treadmill and I was running on the treadmill before I ever ran outside. And I remember.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  This point in time where I was, I went to the gym and I was like, why am I paying for this gym membership if I'm just like running on the treadmill? Like I can, I can just run outside and save the thirty bucks a month that I'm paying for this gym membership. And uh, yeah, I just, one day I was like lace up my shoes and went for a run outside and it was like two or three miles. And uh, yeah, I was like, I was hooked.

• 46:36Nick Bare?

  And just slowly adding volume after that?

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Slowly adding volume, just trying to run a little bit further, a little bit faster, just like continuously like push myself, just tried to improve. Like I, I was like, this is hard and difficult and a challenge like, and I can see that there's a path to getting better at this thing. So I'm just gonna, yeah, I'm just gonna see how much better I can get. And then, you know, run in a marathon, catch the bug, you run another marathon. It's just like, it's just been the snowball of just finding these little challenges for myself.

• 47:08Nick Bare?

  Yeah, to quote my running coach Jeff Cunningham again.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:12Nick Bare?

  One of the things he always says is, because people ask them the question when they first start running, when does it get easier? He's like, you gotta get to a point where you get running competence. And running competence is, you have to go through the painful parts where it's uncomfortable, it hurt, it doesn't feel good. And like one day you unlock running competence, or you're just like settled in.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:37Nick Bare?

  Oh man, this actually feels pretty good.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:40Nick Bare?

  And that might take months, take months to get the running competence. But by unlocking that, you now can start exploring like new routes and new distances and different races. But it's like giving yourself the time to get the running competence. Cause I thought to so many people, like, I don't understand how you can like fall in love with running.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:02Nick Bare?

  You haven't given it the true like

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:04Nick Bare?

  chance, man. Just do it, like do it for a little bit longer.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:08Nick Bare?

  Let it settle in, let those effects like finally start to like produce on their own.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. And I like, I don't even know when that happened for me. It was just somewhere along the line. Like I just fell in love with running. And I mean, later on it became very habitual. Um, but it just like became part of my life. Like I just, at some point in time I was like, I'm a runner. This is what I do. This is what I like. This is my, this is my thing. Like I had finally like, it was almost like I found purpose in my life through running.

• 48:37Nick Bare?

  Mm hmm.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:39Nick Bare?

  You say you like didn't fall in love with like the weight section of the gym?

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:45Nick Bare?

  But dude, I was going through the photos from the Lift ATX workout yesterday. And there's this photo, I don't know if Rudy or Trey took it of you.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  I'm on the fly machine.

• 48:55Nick Bare?

  You're in the shoulder press.

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 48:57Nick Bare?

  And it's, yeah, it's like this, um, warped photo.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:01Nick Bare?

  Motion blur. And just like covered in tats with shoulder press. I was like, this is one of those badass photos. I've seen in a while.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 49:10Nick Bare?

  There might, there might be a future of like strength training, uh, and your cards.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  No, yeah, I, I, I really enjoy strength training and my, my girlfriend, she's a personal trainer. So we, we train in the gym all the time, but yeah, I, it's, uh, I use it to improve my running. And I like, I do like, I do like lifting, um, and I think that kind of came later. Um, but yeah, it's, it's all one in the same.

• 49:38Nick Bare?

  Yeah. I think strength training always is a place for endurance athletes.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Right. Makes you bulletproof.

• 49:45Nick Bare?

  Yeah, it makes you, it makes you durable, makes you stronger, especially with the massive efforts, like 200 plus mile races. Strength is such a critical component.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  And often overlooked.

• 49:56Nick Bare?

  Yeah, I, I agree. That's why a lot of runners end up getting injured, like overuse injuries. At what point in this journey? You know, you start running, you're signing up for races. You have marathons, jumping into ultras. At what point did you have the realization that you had potential in this sport? And you could take it somewhere?

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, uh, I had, I think this was the beginning of 2023.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  I signed up for this, I mean, it was a super small marathon in, uh, Red Rocks in Nevada, just outside of Vegas. And, uh, I think it was only like maybe a hundred people, 150 people that ran the race. Um, super beautiful, really fun road marathon. But, uh, I showed up to this race to just like kind of run it for fun and wanted to put down a hard-ish effort. And I ended up winning this road marathon. I was like, holy shit, I just won a marathon. Like, what the hell? Like, that's insane. Um, and then, uh,

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Later on that year, I ended up running my first 100 miler. And then I got second place at this 100 mile race and I was like, against my now friend Jesse Haynes, the guy who won Moab the year previous to me, who's like just been such a huge inspiration and influence and mentor for me in ultra running. But it was like those two things and then in September or October of that same year, I showed up to this race, this 50 mile ultra called Saddles, which is in Arizona. It's a satisfy race. It's put on by Michael Verstie. And I just showed up to like volunteer and help out during the race.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  And Mike was like, hey, if you want to run the 50 mile, 50 or the 100, he's like, if you want to run either of these races tomorrow, like I have a bib for you. Like you can just jump in. And I was like, ah, I don't like, I didn't even have any nutrition with me. Like luckily I had brought a trail vest because I was planning on pacing a friend that was running the 100 miler. And I was like, ah, maybe, maybe I'll just like jump in for fun, you know? Like I, and not having any nutrition or hydration, like I just relied on what was at the aid stations and like, pretty much got thrown into this race the night before and ended up winning it the next day. And I was like, holy shit. Like I can't like, it was just these results that I was getting.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  I was like, I can't believe that I'm like doing this good. Like it was, it was just like, yeah, I was just like, I guess I'm, I guess I'm like actually kind of good at this thing, you know? And yeah, and it was just like building those small little wins, those, uh, those results were validation and enough to like, give me confidence. Like, hey, maybe I should just go all in and really try to like, see how good I can be, like try to find that what my potential is and just like push myself as hard as I can, lean into ultra running and just go for it. Yeah.

• 53:00Nick Bare?

  What I think makes ultra running like very unique is that it's this like very.

• 53:08Nick Bare?

  Distinctive balance between like the physical and the mental strength that's required. Because there's no other sport like it where you get put in some really painful positions.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:21Nick Bare?

  Your stomach turns, your leg hurts, legs hurt.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  Feet hurt.

• 53:25Nick Bare?

  Feet hurt, there's blisters, you're chafing, you're tired. See, everything like, you feel everything. And your body is shut down and the mind has to take over.

• 53:38Nick Bare?

  I don't know if you have an answer for this, but do you think early on when you first started doing these ultras, that the, the mental component was stronger than the physical? What was it that was allowing you to excel on these races early on?

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think one of my greatest strengths is just having a strong mind and uh, just being determined and uh, having a never give up mentality and just like pushing forward no matter what. And I think maybe part of that comes from just overcoming,

• 54:08Speaker 01

  just this like, just overcoming addiction, man. Like that was like the hardest thing I ever had to do and uh, no matter how hard a race gets, I know like, nothing's ever gonna be as hard as like what I've already done, you know? So uh, and it's just pain. It's like, pain is a weird thing, like it's kind of like not even real, you know? And uh, if I can have control of my mind to just be able to deal with and overcome the pain, then I can, I can do well. Yeah. And I think like, one of my greatest strengths is just like having a strong mind and being able to suffer and deal with pain.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Like I, I'm not, I don't have the highest VO2 max, I'm not the most talented runner, I'm not the fastest, but uh, I have a really, really strong mind and I'm never gonna get up, give up and I'm always just gonna keep pushing forward.

• 55:01Nick Bare?

  Are you able to in the moment, when you're really sucking and suffering, are you able to detach from that pain and tell yourself, this is just temporary, I'm supposed to be feeling this?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I tell myself all the time, it's all, almost like, I almost have to like, chant it in my head, like it's almost like a mantra, like just keep moving, just keep moving, like, pain isn't real, like, you'll get through this, like. I mean, it's almost like every step at certain points, you have to, you have to do that to just keep moving, just keep moving. Yeah.

• 55:34Nick Bare?

  One of my favorite things Chad Wright ever told me was your tongue is your rudder.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:40Nick Bare?

  Soon as, as soon as you start, even if it's in your head, telling yourself this hurts, this is uncomfortable. You start believing that, you start sulking in that, you turn yourself into like this victim.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Negative negativity is contagious.

• 55:54Nick Bare?

  Yeah. Yeah. It takes over your body and then you want to share with other people.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:59Nick Bare?

  So there is like a true power of, even if it's false positivity internally.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:05Nick Bare?

  You just don't, don't accept the pain, don't accept the suffering, ignore it, keep pushing through because like your tongue, internally and externally.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 56:14Nick Bare?

  Is a rudder through your life. It will guide you to like wherever it is. I'm sure you've been in races where you come across someone like, how you doing, man? And they, they use it as an opportunity to like.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  They dump on you.

• 56:26Nick Bare?

  Download everything.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:28Nick Bare?

  It's like, I gotta get away from this guy.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's toxic.

• 56:31Nick Bare?

  It is. And it's like, it spreads.

• 56:35Nick Bare?

  Really quick and it's, it's really powerful in both directions.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, and I, I, that's, I mean, I've had little taste of that happen to me in races where I get down on myself and I experience low points and uh, yeah, almost let that creep in where if you can just stay positive and just almost like, think yourself into a positive mindset, then you'll like, maybe just like be in a lesser level of suffering, you know? Um, and just be able to, it's all mindset, dude. It's so, ultra running is so, so mental.

• 57:13Nick Bare?

  I think it's a power in it.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:15Nick Bare?

  I, I.

• 57:18Nick Bare?

  I would encourage a lot of people to go run an ultra because like the ultras I've done. I mean, there's no other way to make me myself feel weak mentally and physically.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, you learn so much about yourself.

• 57:32Nick Bare?

  You learn so much about yourself and you come out of it prepared for other seasons and chapters of life. Because of the weaknesses you've identified, like you can go into it feeling really tough, beating your chest and it will humble you.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Nothing more humbling than going up a steep ass mountain. Yeah.

• 57:50Nick Bare?

  Humble you very quickly.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Into a race. Yeah, totally.

• 57:55Nick Bare?

  So one of the things I heard you say, uh, this was on Sally's podcast. Was you have this mindset mentality saying of just keep moving.

• 58:05Nick Bare?

  How have you applied that in all areas of your life? Just keep moving and like, when has it become really applicable to use it?

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I don't even know if that's like a saying or a mantra that I have like really came up with. I think maybe Sally just like came up with that for me, but it's I like, it's true. I, as long as I can just keep moving, it's just about forward progress. Like always, always learning, always trying to improve and um, yeah, in running, that's like what I focus on the majority of my life. But every, it's applicable to so many other areas of my life where like, as long as I can keep improving, keep learning, keep trying to do better than that. Like that's the goal is like, that's how you grow. It's just like, just keep trying to do better. It's like so simple.

• 58:56Nick Bare?

  It's like, it's what go one more is.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 58:59Nick Bare?

  Like obstacles are going to come up, resistance is going to present itself and you just keep driving through that.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:08Nick Bare?

  And like, that's what I've, I've learned in, in these ultras that I've done. Cause there's so many highs and lows. You know, you go from like one mile being the highest of high. And then two miles later, it's a lowest of low. But you can expect another high after that and another low.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:25Nick Bare?

  Seriously ebbs and flows throughout this whole thing. But the only thing you can do is just keep moving through all of it.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Well, or you can give up, which is not an option for me. I'm never going to quit. So moving forward is the only option. Yeah.

• 59:40Nick Bare?

  In any race, have you ever had the temptation to quit?

• 59:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I, during Moab, I, I didn't know if I was going to be able to even continue walking. Like I, there were those seeds of doubt where I'm, I was thinking like, is this even possible? Um, is my body just going to shut down? Am I going to go into full body cramps and literally not be able to stand up? Uh, that was something that was in the back of my mind, but, um, yeah, I've experienced it in other races where I'm like, this is so, so hard. Like, I don't know if I can do this, but, uh, yeah, just keep moving. And I, I like to say like, there's always a solution to, um, whatever problem you're having in a race. Like maybe you just need more electrolytes, or maybe you're, you know, a little bit dehydrated, or maybe you just need more fuel,

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  or maybe you need a change of mindset, or a little bit of inspiration from somebody. There's always, um, a solution to, uh, whatever you're going through in a race. And, uh, you're always going to feel different a little bit later. Like if it's 30 minutes, 45 minutes, an hour, two hours later, like you're always going to feel different. And just because you're in a really deep hole at any certain point in time, doesn't mean you're going to stay there.

• 1:00:53Nick Bare?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Nick Bare?

  I do want to talk about Moab, your preparation in the race. But I think like setting that up. Uh, there's a story that you've shared. In a different, bunch of different places that I think is really interesting and and valuable to show just like how one moment can unlock like this new perspective. And I can't remember which race it was, but you were crewing or supporting or just or watching. And you were like mile marker 100 and all these elite ultra runners came up and you thought, you know, you just expected of them being these elites. They were gonna look brand new, fresh, blazing through the checkpoints.

• 1:01:38Nick Bare?

  And they come up into the checkpoint and they're beat down, they're tired, they're dragging. And from my understanding, you had this realization of, oh, these are just people like me.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:48Nick Bare?

  Who are getting their ass kicked on a course like me.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:51Nick Bare?

  I can do this.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:53Nick Bare?

  Like, what was that unlock like and how powerful was it for your next couple of objectives?

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that that's actually what inspired me to sign up for and run my first 100 mile race. So I, I think it was 2023. I was volunteering at Cogadona, uh, which is a race that I'm running here in a couple of weeks time. So, uh, yeah, it's a 250 mile race in Arizona. Uh, I was at the 100 mile mark and I was working at the aid station volunteering just in the middle of the night. And I saw the leaders come through and in my head, I had built these people up to like, I thought they were like superhuman, like superhero type people, which I mean, they very much are. But, uh, after seeing them come through, like they were so beat up and tired and just like

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  barely hanging on and where I was like, oh, they're at like, it just humanized them. Like, these are normal people that have trained and put so much work and time into uh, this big race and now they're here and they're just like grinding it out. And, um, yeah, just like being able to see these people in a relatable way was like a way for me to, um, think like, oh, maybe I can do this and I'm just gonna sign up for 100 mile race and I'm gonna see if I can do it, you know? Just seeing them inspired me to at least give it a go and just try.

• 1:03:20Nick Bare?

  Yeah, I can imagine how powerful that would be.

• 1:03:24Nick Bare?

  You know, growing up, you're naive to like this professional status. It just always for me felt out of reach.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Nick Bare?

  Whether that was in business or athletics or like anything.

• 1:03:40Nick Bare?

  And you feel like it's a, it's a different world that you can't even touch.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Nick Bare?

  And when you finally realize that like we're all people, we all have the ability to get there. Talent will help, but work will be much greater.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:57Nick Bare?

  Like having that unlock is, is massive.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:00Nick Bare?

  Cause you realize it's no longer out of reach.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  It's actually possible.

• 1:04:05Nick Bare?

  It's possible. Like, and I, I've told this story before, but people have come to BPN HQ before. And just to meet and we'll be, we were kind of talking about this on, on the car right here. And we'll be looking at the HQ. And they're like, man, I can't believe like you built this. I wish, I wish like I could have built this or I can build this. And I look at myself, you can.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Nick Bare?

  There's nothing different between you and me.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:04:35Nick Bare?

  I just started 13 years ago and slowly started building. And it's taken me 13 years to get here. But there's nothing that I have that you don't have. And I truly believe like all these professional athletes and, and business owners. There's nothing they have that I don't have. I just haven't put in the work focused on that objective like they have.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:04:58Nick Bare?

  And that realization puts you in this position of like, what do I want to go achieve? Because whatever I decide that I'm going to achieve, I'm now going to go achieve it.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:11Nick Bare?

  So how massive was that unlock for you to witness that experience? In the way it shifted kind of your perspective?

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it was just knowing not to like try to compare myself to these other people and like who they were and more so.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Just understand that they had this long path of like work that they put in over years to kind of get to that point that they that they were at. And um, yeah, in the race, it was like, I mean, just knowing that these people are just normal people that have put in the work day after day, year after year to be able to do this like crazy thing that seems impossible, which is like run 250 miles straight through the desert. It's like insane.

• 1:05:59Nick Bare?

  I mean, you're only a few years into your ultra running journey.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Nick Bare?

  You've you've been a professional runner for how long now?

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Little over a year. So uh, like a year and three or four months. Yeah. So not very long.

• 1:06:17Nick Bare?

  So like realizing that, based off what you said of like not comparing, you know, your journey to someone else's journey, but also realizing that you have so much time to keep building and refining.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Totally. And I feel I feel like I've been playing catch up a lot. Like, running is, and I forget who said this, like, running is, maybe it was David Roach, that running is cumulative. Like, it takes years and years and years to build like a solid base and a solid foundation. And uh, a lot of these guys I'm going up against, like, they've been doing this for 10, 50 decades sometimes. And uh, I feel like I've been playing a little bit of catch up. So just like, I mean, I'm like so focused on just like doing huge volume and big weeks. And I almost do feel like I'm playing catch up almost to a detriment. Um, but yeah, it's uh,

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  yeah, just trying not to, just trying to focus on myself and not compare myself to others. Like even recently, like training for Cogadona, I unfollowed everyone that I follow on Strava just because I don't, I don't want to be distracted or get caught up in what maybe someone else is doing, like especially someone that I'm going to be competing against. I just want to like, stay focused on doing everything that I can to uh, just.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Just focus on myself and just put me in the best place that I can to do as well as I can at Cogadona.

• 1:07:45Nick Bare?

  Yeah, and it's not even just the cumulative amount of like miles or time on feet, but it's also the experience in racing that you're like

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:07:54Nick Bare?

  Still getting.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  I'm still learning. Yeah, I mean, I I learned so many things at Moab that I just like and like simple rookie mistakes, like taking care of my feet and like chafing and

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  get drinking. We were talking about it earlier, like I got blisters in my mouth from just not rinsing my mouth out with a normal like just clean plain water, like just drinking constant electrolytes and carb mix like it totally

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  destroyed the inside of my mouth. So it's like small little rookie mistakes that I'm like just trying to learn from as I go and improve like on the fly sometimes even. Yeah.

• 1:08:33Nick Bare?

  So where do you want to take it? Where do you want to take ultra running for yourself?

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  I, yeah, I, I think about this often. I, I think I just want to continue finding just cool challenges and races that intrigue me. And I just want to experience like a ton of different landscapes and just different styles of races. Like I, I really love mountain races. I really love hot desert races. Like I just want to kind of experience everything, everything that I can. And that's kind of just like my big goal with ultra running and like good results along the way. Like that's cool. That's always validating. That's fun. That's awesome. But I think for me, it's just

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  just continuing to do things that are challenging and intrigue me and getting to run in like amazing, beautiful places. Like that's, that's what I'm going after.

• 1:09:31Nick Bare?

  For Cogadona 250 in a few weeks, what's the goal there? Is that like an A race for you?

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's like a, that's an A bucket list race for me for sure.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  I think, I don't know, I don't really like to have a lot of expectations when I go into a race because if you make expectations for yourself and you're just setting yourself up to be disappointed if you don't, if you don't perform as well as you can. But I think my, my biggest goal for Koko Dona is just to put up, just race the race as best as I can. Try not to make any mistakes, which is tough. So there's going to be mistakes made along the way, but yeah, just doing everything I can to run my best race. That's, that's all I can do.

• 1:10:16Nick Bare?

  There's so much difference between the ultra and the marathon.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Nick Bare?

  Where like the marathon, you can pretty much know based off of your prep.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Your training, what you're gonna do.

• 1:10:27Nick Bare?

  Your training, like your time within a matter of seconds. And there's things that can go wrong, but you're really not on your feet long enough for much to go wrong. It's pretty predictable.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Nick Bare?

  The ultra space, like there's so much.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  So many more factors that go into it. So many more variables. Yeah.

• 1:10:45Nick Bare?

  And the degree for variation is, is huge.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:49Nick Bare?

  So I completely respect and understand like, you know, what do you want to do at Koko 150? It's like, we'll see within the first 100 miles how that, how that race is going.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Well, even what's crazy is what, what the, what's happening at mile 100 is not even going to determine the results of the race. Like, I mean, we saw a couple of years ago, Michael McKnight, if you know who he is, I think the first day he was in like 30th place and was able to like come back from, like he had a really rough first day and he was able to come back and pass everyone and ended up winning the race from like 30th on the first day. So it's like,

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  going back to there's so many variables, there's so many things that can go wrong. And

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  yeah, it's like, it's so unpredictable.

• 1:11:40Nick Bare?

  The crazy part about something like that is if you were thirty spots behind, mentally, that can like really just zap you.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:51Nick Bare?

  It realize that you have to jump thirty spots ahead to win. And that alone will discourage people enough to put in the physical and mental effort to get to be first place.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Nick Bare?

  You gotta dig.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:12:07Nick Bare?

  To jump the spots.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  And I've been there before, you know, I've been fifteen miles behind with only forty miles left in a race and yeah, it's just like, we see that it's possible, like, being in a situation where you're so far behind, it almost seems like it shouldn't be possible and time after time, we see these underdogs come from behind victories like that's, that's like motivation for me and maybe, maybe in my subconscious, I was like thinking about that result to where I didn't give up. I was like, still had that maybe little bit of belief that, hey, maybe I can come back from this and uh, yeah, I haven't even really, I never even really thought of that. Like, maybe that was like part of

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  my result at Moab is just knowing that there's been big come from, from behind victories in these two hundred mile races. It's like not, it's not over until it's over, you know?

• 1:13:04Nick Bare?

  I mean, there's a lot of parallels in your life with that, though.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  For sure. Yeah.

• 1:13:07Nick Bare?

  You, you can dig your life pretty deep in the opposite direction. But there's never a point of no return.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  Right. You can always overcome.

• 1:13:17Nick Bare?

  You can always overcome. I mean, I think that's just like, your story in itself is super inspirational and should be for a lot of people who are might be in a spot of their life right now. It's like, I can't, I've gone too far.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Nick Bare?

  I can't dig out of this. I've made these mistakes. I failed. I lost as much money. Like, I've been in jail. I've, I've been addicted.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  I'm in a bad relationship, whatever it might be. Yeah.

• 1:13:42Nick Bare?

  You can always turn it around.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  And it just takes a decision.

• 1:13:47Nick Bare?

  One decision.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  And you just stick to it.

• 1:13:49Nick Bare?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:51Nick Bare?

  Talking about Moab briefly, I want to just talk about that prep for a little bit. You dedicated an entire year.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Nick Bare?

  And like the result of winning Moab was from that preparation for an entire year.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Nick Bare?

  From my understanding, you did 100 mile weeks for pretty much a year.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:11Nick Bare?

  You had races strategically placed throughout that year that were training races to support an effort at Moab. And then you were spending a lot of time on the stepper to gain vert because in SoCal you don't have access to.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  We have, we have a little bit, but that was like a way to like really supplement the, the vert. Yeah.

• 1:14:32Nick Bare?

  Were there any other things you were doing in your training to, that got you to that result?

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, like even, so one thing that I was kind of focused on was, uh, like knowing that I had to eat, like just continuously be eating and running with a full stomach. So, uh, I would, I would come home on my lunch break. So like I would usually run in the morning before work, go to work, get off, or get, go on my lunch break, come home. And I would eat my lunch really quick and then just immediately go for a run. So, uh, yeah, like eat a big, big lunch of, uh, like ground beef and avocado and then go straight into a seven mile run.

• 1:15:12Nick Bare?

  It sounds horrible.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it was terrible. Um, but stomach training is like, that's like one factor that I knew, I, I knew I was gonna need to like figure this out and deal with it. And like, I, I think it, I think it helped, um, with just becoming comfortable with this uncomfortable situation. That's like running with a full stomach. It's like, it sucks, but, um, that and then just, yeah, like, I mean, using all of the races leading up to, like I learned, and I was playing around with different types of nutrition and, uh, dialing in like my, my sodium intake.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  And like, there were all these like things that I, I kind of focused on and worked on for these races in the lead up to Moab. And then like TDS, the, the race that I ran, the race that I ran before Moab, it was like a month and a half before Moab. It was a midnight start race and ran.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  Almost 24 hours. So it was like a, in a way, it was like a two night race, kind of like two half nights. But that was kind of my way of simulating like a multi-night event. So yeah, I feel like I structured my, my year really well and like, yeah, I just dedicated my year to just getting as much volume, training as hard as I can and like, kind of trying and testing out. I mean, gear, shoes, like all these things were, uh, things that I just tried to work on throughout the year and all leading up to Mob.

• 1:16:45Nick Bare?

  That TDS race at UTMB, I've heard you talk about it a few times.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:49Nick Bare?

  I found that super interesting.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:51Nick Bare?

  A, a, a attractive race.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  It's tough.

• 1:16:53Nick Bare?

  Seems brutal.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  It's tough. Yeah.

• 1:16:56Nick Bare?

  Is it because the, the mountains you're climbing and it being overnight?

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. So it's the midnight start and it's just like, dude, it's just so much vert. Uh, I think the amount of vertical gain in TDS, which is only 93 miles is like the same as Moab in 240 miles. So around 30,000 feet of, uh, vertical gain in 92 miles is like such a, it's a tough, you're like, those climbs were so long and so steep. It was, uh, it was really gnarly, but super amazing, beautiful, like really fun race. It's just like, ah, it was evil in the best way possible. Yeah.

• 1:17:33Nick Bare?

  Is that in the Alps?

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's in the Alps. So it's, um, it starts in, I'm probably going to butcher the pronunciation of this town, but Cormayer, Italy, which is on the other side of Mount Blanc from Chamonix. So you run from one side of the mountain to the other where UTMB is this big loop around, uh, the mountain. So, um, it's, yeah, it's just really tough. And a lot of people say that TDS is tougher than the UTMB main race. I, I've never ran UTMB, so I can't really compare the two, but, uh, it was, uh, very, very challenging. Yeah.

• 1:18:08Nick Bare?

  That's what I heard you say.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Nick Bare?

  Yeah, I'm like, I would love to go witness that.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:13Nick Bare?

  And go watch it. Every year I see like UTMB going on and just the crowd there.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Have you ever been out there?

• 1:18:20Nick Bare?

  No.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  Oh dude, it's so fun.

• 1:18:22Nick Bare?

  It looks so electric.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 1:18:24Nick Bare?

  The energy looks insane.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Nick Bare?

  It's on the list.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you definitely need to go like as soon as possible. Let's go this year.

• 1:18:30Nick Bare?

  Dude.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:31Nick Bare?

  What, what year, what month is it?

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  It's in August. Yeah.

• 1:18:35Nick Bare?

  Oh, sweet.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  It's the end of August.

• 1:18:37Nick Bare?

  Talk to the wife.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  Okay. Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:39Nick Bare?

  Get clearance.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  Steph's got to sign off on that one.

• 1:18:41Nick Bare?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:44Nick Bare?

  Well, dude, I appreciate this. Um, I'm really honored to have you on this team.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:18:50Nick Bare?

  Really honored to have you on this team and super excited to see what you do in this space.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Thank you. Yeah, I'm, I'm looking forward to it and I like honestly, I feel super, super grateful and super honored to be on this team. Like just meeting everyone this week. I'm like so inspired by it. All the guys and all the girls and just like finally meeting you for the first time. I'm like just very, very stoked. Yeah.

• 1:19:14Nick Bare?

  I appreciate that, man.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:15Nick Bare?

  Thanks for sharing your story and I'm excited to see what you throw down at Coca-Cola.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you. I'm looking forward to it.

• 1:19:22Nick Bare?

  All right, man. Thanks.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Sick.