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0:00 Speaker 00 Hey everyone, Phil the Engineer here. If you're listening to this, that means you've probably already realized that we are not dropping a Meat Eater Radio Live this week, and in lieu of that, we will be dropping two episodes of the Meat Eater Kids Podcast on the Meat Eater feed right here. Why are we doing this? Even though we mentioned it a couple of times on social media and in some Meat Eater Podcast episodes, we're still getting some questions from parents asking, "I saw you put up Meat Eater Kids Episode 6, are we getting any more?" The answer is, "Hey, yeah, we've got some more." They're over on a brand-new Meat Eater Kids Podcast feed, and we'd love if you could go over and subscribe to that brand-new feed that's just our kids' content. Hop on over to the search bar in whatever program you're using, type in Meat Eater
0:42 Speaker 00 Kids, hit that follow, or subscribe, or join, or whatever button it is, and that way you'll be in the loop when we drop new kids' episodes, or whatever new kids' content we've got cooking up. So enjoy this episode of Meat Eater Kids, and be sure to head over to the brand-new feed, hit that follow button, hit that subscribe button. It helps us out, and you stay in the loop. Thanks.
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1:43 Speaker 02 Meat Eater Kids!
1:46 Speaker 03 It's time for Why It's the Way It Is.
1:52 Steven Rinella? Today on Why It's the Way It Is, we're going to talk about eyeballs, which seems kind of funny, but we're not going to talk about how eyeballs work necessarily. We're going to talk about where eyeballs sit on an animal's head. Okay, meaning, why are rabbits, like picture a rabbit in your mind? Why are rabbits' eyes kind of buggy and they stick out and they're positioned way out on the sides of his head? All right, compared to, why are your eyeballs in the front of your head and real close together? The answer to that question is, where your eyeballs sit on your head, or where an animal's eyeballs sit on its head, has to do with whether the animal is a predator,
2:38 Steven Rinella? meaning it hunts for other animals to eat, or it's a prey animal, or a vegetarian or herbivore, meaning it eats vegetation and gets hunted by predators. Let's start for a minute with your own head. Okay, let's think about your own head for a second. Your eyes are a predator's eyes. All right, you have a couple predator things on you. You have eye teeth, or like canine teeth, pointy teeth. Okay, that's a predator adaptation. And you have eyes that sit close together on the front of your head. So as a predator, what you're pretty good at is you're good at focusing on something and telling how far away it is. Okay, that's your specialty.
3:23 Steven Rinella? Now, let's, let's jump to a rabbit. A rabbit has eyes, buggy eyes way out on the side of its head. Here's the crazy thing about a rabbit. A rabbit can pretty much see straight behind it. If you imagine a circle, we describe a circle as a 360 degree loop, okay? A rabbit can see most of that 360 degree circle around itself. It can't see directly right behind its skull, but it can see behind itself. Okay, because those eyes that are stuck out to the sides of its head are looking all around. The right eye is seeing its own world off to the right, and the left eye is seeing its own world way off to the left.
4:08 Steven Rinella? The eyes don't do a lot of what we call binocular vision, meaning the eyes don't work together to aim and concentrate on a specific item.
4:21 Steven Rinella? A rabbit's eyes, or a deer's eyes, or a cow's eyes are just surveying all around them. They need to detect a threat. Movement, right? So if it's a rabbit, he is looking in an almost complete circle around him while he eats, while he does whatever he does. If he just sits there and rests, he's looking at almost a complete circle around him. And his eyes are really good at picking up on a movement, which signifies the approach of a predator. The rabbit doesn't need to stare at the predator. The rabbit doesn't need to tell exactly how far away the predator is. He just needs to know it's there and what direction it is so he can run the other way.
5:05 Steven Rinella? He's a prey animal and he's watching out for predators.
5:11 Steven Rinella? Let's jump to a predator's eyes for a minute, how they sit really close together. So let's jump to, say, the fox. And if you kind of want to understand the eye placement on a fox, if you have a pet dog, very, very similar, they're both canines. Your dog's eyes are really close together on his head. Now, your dog has okay peripheral vision, like he can see off to the side pretty good, right? But his specialty is, is that he can use both of his closely placed eyes to focus on something. And you'll notice if you watch a dog or watch a cat and they're watching something moving around, both of their eyes are moving to track its motion.
5:54 Steven Rinella? They're using binocular vision, meaning their eyes are working together. What that does is that gives you something called depth perception. Okay, so let's jump to a cat, for instance. A cat is watching a mouse go across the floor. He's watching it with both of those eyes. He's using his binocular vision, which is giving the cat depth perception, meaning that cat, by using both of its eyes, knows that when it jumps, it knows exactly how far away that mouse is. Because it's using both of his eyes to look at it. It knows exactly how far that mouse is and he's going to jump on it and grab it.
6:36 Steven Rinella? So that explains a little bit about why your eyes are positioned where they are, or why an animal's eyes are positioned where they are on its head. But let's talk for one quick second about their pupils. Now, if you look in the mirror at your own eye, your pupil is the dark spot in the center of your eye. Your pupil could be brown, it could be blue, maybe you have green eyes, whatever it is, that's the pupil, that circle thing. It's a circle on you, on a human. But on a lot of predators and prey, the pupils have a different shape. They're like a long slit. They're kind of like a bar, okay? Now, on a lot of prey animals, like if you go look at a, let's say, a horse or goat,
7:21 Steven Rinella? you go look at its pupil. Its pupil is horizontal, so it's like a flat bar that runs horizontally. If you look at a cat, its pupil is a vertical bar that runs up and down. This is another way that the structure of the eye helps you do what your main job is. That horizontal pupil is meant for looking way around in a circle all around you. It's meant to have really good peripheral vision. And what's crazy is, if you watch, like, let's say you're watching a horse, and he's got that slit pupil, that horizontal bar pupil. When a horse drops his head down to eat grass, his eyes are not staring at the ground.
8:06 Steven Rinella? His eyes roll, almost like roll back into the back of his head, so that that horizontal bar stays horizontal. So he's always scanning. So even when his head's down eating grass, he's scanning all around him for predators. These other animals with the vertical slit are animals sometimes that hunt at night, so that vertical slit is good for gathering light, and it also seems to be really good for determining distance and depth perception. Again, because he's focusing on something he wants to jump on and kill. And that eye, that shape of that pupil, and where his eyes sit on his head, allows him
8:47 Steven Rinella? to focus on it and know how far away it is, so that when it makes its attack, when it makes its leap, it's very accurate.
8:58 Steven Rinella? So here's the thing you can do. As you drive around with your parents, or you walk around, or whatever, you look at different pets you might have, or you go and you're at a farm, and you look at different farm animals. Take a look at their eyes and think about where those eyes are placed on their head. And take a look at their pupils and see how their pupils are shaped. And see if what I'm telling you makes sense. There are exceptions to these rules I'm giving you. So you might catch me where you think I was wrong, because there are some exceptions. But what I'm telling you is generally true. Predators have eyes in the front of their head that are close together. Prey animals have eyes off the side of their head that are spread way out, and they look kind of buggy.
9:41 Steven Rinella? They're kind of sticking out so they can see all around them real good. So pay attention out there when you're looking at animals. And you tell me if I seem like I'm kind of right, or if I seem like I'm kind of wrong. I think I'm kind of right.
9:58 Speaker 02 What's a shark's favorite sandwich?
10:02 Speaker 02 Peanut butter and jellyfish.
10:05 Speaker 03 Now it's time for how to make a critter call. Clay here is going to teach you how to make the sound of a barred owl.
10:19 Steven Rinella? Hey, kids. My name is Clay Newcomb, and I want to teach you today about how you can call animals with your own voice.
10:30 Steven Rinella? There are some animals that the human voice box is really good at mimicking. And today, I want to teach you something that I love to do. And that is to call barred owls. B-A-R-R-E-D. Barred owls. The barred owl lives in North America, and it typically lived in the eastern deciduous forests, like the east half of America. But in the last period of time, they've migrated and moved and spread into the Pacific Northwest, all the way up into Alaska. I heard a barred owl in Alaska the other day.
11:05 Speaker 05 The barred owl is an incredible animal and it's a raptor. It's a predator. It catches mice and small mammals. And to me, the most unique thing about it is that they are almost completely nocturnal, which means they only come out and hunt at night. That's primarily when they're out and when they hunt. And they have incredible vision, but here it is. When they fly, they don't make a sound. The tips of their feathers are built in such a way that when it flows across the air, it doesn't make a noise.
11:40 Speaker 05 I think that's really cool. But the barred owl is very vocal. They make noises all the time. And my dad taught me how to barred owl hoot. And there's a phrase that we can use that'll help us remember the sequence and cadence of the noise, and it's this. Who cooks for you? Who cooks for you all? Say that with me. Say, "Who cooks for you? Who cooks for you all?"
12:08 Speaker 05 And so, we're gonna replace each of those words with a hoot. And you make a hoot by making your lips into kind of an O shape. And from deep down in your chest, you go, "Ooh."
12:23 Speaker 05 So, you make the barred owl call by connecting hoots into that specific sequence and cadence of "Who cooks for you? Who cooks for you all?" And it sounds something like this. "Ooh, ooh, ooh, huh. Ooh, ooh, ooh, huh." "Who cooks for you? Who cooks for you all?" I want you to try it now. Try that.
12:47 Speaker 05 "Ooh, ooh, ooh, huh. Ooh, ooh, ooh, huh." And the reason that I like the barred owl hoot is that if you're a turkey hunter, we use the barred owl hoot to locate turkeys, which is kinda wild, but a male turkey will gobble at the sound of a barred owl hooting, and we call it a shock gobble. It's almost like they're shocked that they heard an owl, and so they...
13:15 Speaker 05 They gobble. And so that's the reason a barred owl hoot is really important to a turkey hunter, and it's important to a lot of people that like to hunt. Let's try it again. One last time, the barred owl hoot. Who cooks for you? Who cooks for you all?
13:41 Speaker 02 How did the bear feel after he ate the comedian? He felt funny.
13:51 Speaker 03 It's time for everyone's favorite game show, Trivia. Let's all join in.
13:58 Speaker 06 I'm joined by Mabel, Matthew, Rosie, Hayden, Conley, Sage, Hattie, and Bay. Each player will earn $10 for conservation with every question they get right. Today, there's a potential for this room to earn up to $240. This week, that donation is going to the National Wild Turkey Federation, which publishes the kids magazine about wildlife conservation called Jake's Country. Let's see how much money our players can raise. Question one: What object in the night sky is known as Ursa Major? Is it the North Star, the Big Dipper, or full moon?
14:37 Speaker 06 What object in the night sky is known as Ursa Major? Is it North Star, Big Dipper, or full moon? Last week, our players were very confident. They declared the questions were too easy, but this one may have stumped them.
14:58 Speaker 02 What's the other one?
14:59 Speaker 06 Your three choices are North Star, Big Dipper, or full moon. One of those things is called Ursa Major. Not so cocky now, are we, kids?
15:13 Steven Rinella? No. I got it.
15:14 Speaker 02 I'm scared.
15:15 Speaker 06 Is everybody ready?
15:17 Speaker 02 Yes.
15:18 Speaker 06 Go ahead and reveal your answers. Bay? North Star. Rosie? North Star. Mabel?
15:23 Speaker 02 North Star.
15:24 Speaker 06 Hattie? Big Dipper. Hayden?
15:27 Steven Rinella? Big Dipper.
15:28 Speaker 06 Sage?
15:28 Speaker 02 North Star.
15:29 Speaker 06 Conley? North Star. Matthew? The Big Dipper. The correct answer is the Big Dipper.
15:37 Speaker 07 Yes, let's go.
15:38 Speaker 06 About half of you got that right.
15:40 Speaker 02 How do you?
15:41 Speaker 06 Ursa Major is Latin for great bear or big bear. And although most look at the constellation and see a ladle for scooping water, the Greeks and Native Americans saw a large bear, while the Egyptians saw an ox pulling a plow. So if Ursa Major is the Big Dipper, then what do you guys think the name for the Little Dipper is? Ursa Minor. There you go. You got it, Hayden. Ursa Minor is the Little Dipper.
16:06 Speaker 02 Ursa Bigger or Ursa Minor?
16:07 Speaker 06 Question two. What's it called when an animal regrows a body part? Photosynthesis, regeneration, or fermentation?
16:21 Speaker 06 What's it called when an animal regrows a body part? Photosynthesis. So saddy. Regeneration or fermentation? You got this one right, Matthew?
16:33 Speaker 02 No.
16:33 Speaker 06 No.
16:34 Speaker 07 I think I do.
16:35 Speaker 06 Okay, Rosie's.
16:36 Speaker 07 That would be embarrassing if I actually didn't have it.
16:39 Speaker 06 Why would it be so embarrassing?
16:40 Speaker 07 Well, because we talk about like things like regrowing stuff a lot.
16:44 Speaker 06 Hmm.
16:45 Speaker 07 And like, so yeah.
16:46 Speaker 06 Mabel, how do you feel about your answer?
16:48 Speaker 02 Um, I'm pretty, pretty happy with it just because I don't know.
16:52 Speaker 06 Okay, Sage, you're not, you're not real confident.
16:54 Speaker 02 I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't get it right.
16:56 Speaker 07 I know.
16:56 Speaker 06 What's it called when an animal regrows a body part? Photosynthesis, regeneration, or fermentation? What do you got, Conley?
17:04 Speaker 07 I know it's not one of them.
17:06 Speaker 06 Okay, you've narrowed it down to two of the three.
17:08 Speaker 07 Yes.
17:09 Speaker 06 Fifty percent. Is everybody ready?
17:11 Speaker 07 Yes.
17:12 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
17:12 Speaker 06 Go ahead and reveal your answers. Bay? Regeneration. Rosie?
17:17 Speaker 07 Fermentation.
17:18 Speaker 06 Mabel?
17:18 Speaker 02 Regeneration.
17:19 Speaker 06 Hattie?
17:20 Speaker 07 Regeneration.
17:21 Speaker 06 Hayden?
17:21 Steven Rinella? I think I got this wrong.
17:23 Speaker 06 Sage?
17:23 Speaker 02 Regeneration.
17:24 Speaker 06 Conley?
17:25 Speaker 07 Fermentation.
17:26 Speaker 06 Matthew?
17:27 Speaker 02 Fermentation.
17:28 Speaker 06 The correct answer. Is regeneration.
17:31 Speaker 02 Let's go.
17:33 Speaker 06 Room did pretty well.
17:35 Speaker 02 Patty, you haven't gotten one wrong.
17:36 Speaker 06 Photosynthesis is when plants turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. Fermentation is the chemical breakdown of a substance. And regeneration is the process of replacing damaged cells, tissues, or organs. Some animals with regeneration are salamanders who can regrow their tail, starfish who can regrow their arms, and axolotls who can regrow their legs.
17:58 Speaker 02 I love axolotls.
17:59 Speaker 06 You love them? Now, if you could grow an extra leg or an extra arm, which would you pick?
18:04 Speaker 02 Leg.
18:05 Speaker 06 You want the extra leg?
18:06 Speaker 02 I'd draw leg.
18:07 Speaker 06 Wow. What are you gonna do with the extra leg, Matthew?
18:10 Speaker 02 Um, well, if I regrowed my leg, I think it'd be more helpful.
18:16 Speaker 06 More helpful?
18:16 Speaker 02 Cause I could just, I could just get a, one of those robotic things.
18:19 Speaker 06 You're gonna need some extra shoes. I think you might be tripping over yourself.
18:22 Speaker 02 I'd go an extra toe.
18:23 Speaker 06 An extra toe?
18:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:25 Speaker 06 Now, this side of the room wanted an extra arm.
18:27 Speaker 07 No, I want an extra brain cell.
18:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, because you could grab more stuff at the same time.
18:30 Speaker 06 There you go.
18:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, that is true. It'd like scare people. But like, extra toes are just cool, like, because like, you could be like, you have five toes. I actually have 11 toes.
18:40 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
18:41 Speaker 02 Like, well, everybody else has 10, I have 11.
18:44 Speaker 06 I can't debate that.
18:45 Speaker 07 That's the same as, like, an arm. You have two arms, I have three.
18:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, I choose arms. Toes are better than arms.
18:52 Speaker 07 I choose arms.
18:53 Speaker 06 Question three. Which of these states does not touch the Mississippi River? Is it Missouri, Mississippi, or New York?
19:05 Speaker 06 Which of these states does not touch the Mississippi River? Missouri.
19:09 Speaker 07 This one's easy.
19:10 Speaker 06 Mississippi, or New York?
19:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, I agree.
19:13 Speaker 06 Okay.
19:14 Speaker 07 It's not. But you guys realize that it could actually be what you guys are thinking it's not, because that's why.
19:19 Speaker 02 New York is all the way at, like, the top of the USA, like.
19:21 Speaker 07 I know, I know, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that the Missouri River is in New York. What I'm saying is that, that's why it's on this, because it's a trick.
19:29 Speaker 06 You think I tried to trick you, Rosie?
19:31 Speaker 07 I'm pretty sure I got it right.
19:32 Speaker 06 Yeah. Okay. Is everybody ready? Which of these states does not touch the Mississippi? Is it Missouri, Mississippi, or New York? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Bay. New York. Rosie.
19:45 Speaker 02 New York.
19:46 Speaker 06 Mabel.
19:47 Speaker 02 New York.
19:47 Speaker 06 Hattie.
19:48 Speaker 02 New York.
19:49 Speaker 06 Hayden.
19:49 Steven Rinella? New York.
19:50 Speaker 06 Sage. New York. Conley.
19:52 Speaker 02 New York.
19:53 Speaker 06 Matthew. New York. Everybody got it right. The correct answer was New York. New York is about 600 miles away from the Mississippi River. Besides Missouri and Mississippi, the river flows through eight other states. So here's what we're going to do. For every state you guys can name that touches the Mississippi River, we're going to add an extra $10 to the donation. But it's three strikes and you're out. So everybody talk it over about what states you think it could be, and then Mabel will deliver the final answer.
20:25 Speaker 07 Mississippi? What? Mississippi? Oh, gosh. Missouri.
20:29 Speaker 06 So you know Mississippi and Missouri. There are eight other states.
20:33 Speaker 02 What about Ohio?
20:36 Speaker 06 Both of the Dakotas, maybe? What do you think it is?
20:39 Speaker 02 I think I'm gonna go with North Dakota.
20:42 Speaker 07 It's Minnesota.
20:43 Speaker 02 Oh, my gosh.
20:44 Speaker 07 How do you know? How do you know? You're so condemned. Yeah, you don't know, Matt.
20:48 Speaker 06 North Dakota is not one of the states that is...
20:52 Speaker 02 It's Minnesota.
20:54 Speaker 06 I said it twice.
20:55 Speaker 07 It's Minnesota?
20:55 Speaker 02 Do better, Mabel.
20:56 Speaker 07 Wait, is Minnesota one of those?
20:57 Speaker 06 Give us a second state.
20:58 Speaker 07 Kentucky.
20:59 Speaker 02 A second state? Oh, gosh. Okay, um...
21:03 Speaker 06 Matthew was pretty confident over here.
21:05 Speaker 02 Minnesota, um...
21:08 Speaker 06 Do you trust him?
21:09 Speaker 02 Yes. Don't trust him. I don't really trust you.
21:12 Speaker 07 No, don't trust Matthew. Don't trust Matthew. It's no, no, trust me. I swear, it's right. It's right.
21:22 Speaker 02 Don't trust him, Mabel.
21:23 Speaker 07 You're trusting a fourth grader right now.
21:24 Speaker 06 The good news is, if Matthew is wrong, you can, he'll hear about it for the rest of his life. So, but if he's right, you guys add $10.
21:32 Speaker 07 Yeah, but that's also... That's also on her for trusting a fourth grader. No, you don't have to do it, but I'm just saying you could, because I think I'm pretty confident.
21:40 Speaker 02 Nobody else is giving me any help, and I have no idea.
21:42 Speaker 07 Like, why do you... I don't know. I'd say Kentucky, but...
21:44 Speaker 06 Okay, Mabel.
21:45 Speaker 02 Okay, Minnesota.
21:47 Speaker 06 Minnesota. What? Is correct. That is one of them. That means there are seven more states to go.
21:56 Speaker 07 Kentucky.
21:56 Speaker 06 Or two strikes. Mabel, do you want to give us another state?
22:00 Speaker 02 Kentucky, please! I don't really want to, but I don't know.
22:03 Speaker 06 Do you want to give the responsibility to someone else?
22:04 Speaker 02 Sure, yes, please!
22:05 Speaker 06 Okay, Hattie.
22:06 Speaker 02 Me!
22:07 Speaker 06 Hattie has the responsibility. Give me a state, Hattie. You have one strike and seven states to go.
22:13 Speaker 02 This is kinda scary. I know, it is!
22:15 Speaker 07 Uh, I'll just, I'll trust Sage, Kentucky.
22:19 Speaker 06 Kentucky? Is correct! You guys have two states and one strike. Who else wants to give us an answer? Hayden, do you want to be in charge of the next state? No, say Hayden.
22:30 Speaker 02 Can I be in charge?
22:31 Speaker 06 I'll keep it, I'll keep it. Rosie would like to be in charge.
22:33 Speaker 07 I'm in charge now.
22:33 Speaker 06 Do you guys have any input for Rosie on what the next state should be?
22:37 Speaker 07 Oh, wait, maybe like, do the Virginias? I think maybe the Virginias. Kentucky's pretty close to Virginia.
22:41 Speaker 02 Wait, is Alabama touching Kentucky?
22:42 Speaker 07 Yes, I think Alabama, I, I agree with Mabel, Alabama.
22:45 Speaker 02 Okay, Alabama. Yeah, Alabama. Alabama.
22:48 Speaker 06 Alabama? Is incorrect! You guys have two strikes.
22:56 Speaker 02 You want to win.
22:57 Speaker 06 Two strikes.
22:58 Speaker 02 That's partially on you!
22:59 Speaker 06 And six states to go. Sage, you're gonna be in charge of the next one. Do you guys have any input for Sage and what the next state is?
23:05 Speaker 07 Ohio!
23:06 Speaker 02 No, don't do Ohio, please don't.
23:08 Speaker 07 No, Sage, don't do Ohio. Mini soda?
23:10 Speaker 02 Wait, wait, wait, maybe, uh, maybe like Georgia. Wait, does Montana? No, Montana does not have it.
23:16 Speaker 06 Okay, Sage, give us a state.
23:20 Speaker 07 Virginia?
23:21 Speaker 06 Virginia?
23:22 Speaker 07 Please.
23:23 Speaker 06 Is incorrect! That is your third strike. Idaho is incorrect.
23:29 Speaker 07 Oh, my bad.
23:30 Speaker 06 The other six, the other six states are Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Louisiana. But the good news is, you guys added an extra $20 to the end. So, Phil the Engineer, how much money did we raise?
23:45 Speaker 00 With that additional $20, they raised a total of $180.
23:50 Speaker 06 $180 going to the National Wild Turkey Federation. Well done, kids! Join us next week for more Meat Eater Kids trivia. The only other game show where conservation always wins.
24:04 Speaker 03 Thanks for listening, everyone. See you next week on Meat Eater Kids.
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