Ep. 837: This Episode is Called "It's the Third-to-Last Episode" | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Randall Williams, Janis Putelis, and Seth Morris, talk about their recent travels to conventions and hunts, interview Scott Heidebrink of American Prairie about the BLM's recent decision to revoke the organization's bison grazing permits, impress the class with their super cool stuff in Show & Tell, and catch up with the Newcomb family to learn about the new Bear Grease YouTube channel. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 2:17Speaker 05

  Here we start. Sorry about that, folks. Phil started the timer late, so now it's 11:01. So my entire script is off, beginning with the very first sentence. Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11:01 a.m. Mountain Time. God, you're such a... Sorry, Phil. Had to throw somebody on the bus. That's fine. It's my fault. On Thursday, 2/19/26. We usually write that out. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by my dear friends and trusted colleagues, Yanis Patellas and Sethree Morris.

• 2:53Speaker 04

  Good morning.

• 2:53Speaker 06

  Sethree, that's new. I've never heard that before.

• 2:55Speaker 05

  Uh, just came out.

• 2:57Speaker 06

  That's good.

• 2:57Speaker 05

  We've got a great show for you today. First, we're going to talk to Scott Heidebrink from American Prairie about the most high-profile buffalo-related news story and recent headlines. We're going to have a little old-fashioned show and tell sesh. We're going to talk to Clay and Bear Newcomb about some exciting developments in the Bear Grease universe. We've got, I reuse the word excited, we've got some exciting announcements coming at the end of the show, but mostly we'll just enjoy time spent in the company of friends and savor our time with you, loyal Radio Live audience. Welcome. Seth, Yanis, how are you boys doing today?

• 3:33Speaker 06

  Fantastic.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm doing great now that you, uh, set us up for the next hour that way. Just getting to hang out.

• 3:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:40Speaker 04

  Our buddies.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  I mean, that's, that's what it's all about.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  Shoot the bull.

• 3:43Speaker 05

  Right? That's casting, as we call in the biz, just podcasting.

• 3:47Speaker 06

  Hmm. Just podding.

• 3:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. Cold here in Bozeman today.

• 3:51Speaker 06

  Oh, what a shock to the system this morning when I went out to start my truck.

• 3:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:56Speaker 06

  It was so cold, my radio wouldn't work this morning.

• 3:57Speaker 05

  Glad it started. Oh, you having some electrical problems?

• 4:00Speaker 06

  Apparently.

• 4:01Speaker 05

  Jeez.

• 4:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:02Speaker 04

  That thing really had...

• 4:03Speaker 07

  Has been a lemon, huh?

• 4:04Speaker 06

  It has been.

• 4:05Speaker 07

  Hey, I'm sorry for you.

• 4:08Speaker 05

  Well, thankfully Ford doesn't sponsor this program.

• 4:12Speaker 05

  Seth, how's your weekend?

• 4:13Speaker 06

  Where I got it, dude.

• 4:16Speaker 06

  Weekend's great. I did a lot of hiking around this weekend, which I don't usually do.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  Very nice.

• 4:23Speaker 06

  Which was nice just to get out. Yeah, it's kind of, it's. It's like a weird, this winter's been weird and I've said this a bunch of times before, but there's like. Bad ice everywhere. But not like really open water. So the fishing program has been.

• 4:41Speaker 06

  You know?

• 4:41Speaker 05

  So you're jonesing?

• 4:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, I'm jonesing. Yeah. Been consuming a lot of fishing content.

• 4:46Speaker 05

  You have?

• 4:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  I know you were just telling me this morning about some, some updates in the bass fishing world.

• 4:52Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Well, that's not an update. That's just like a, that was just a fun little tidbit.

• 4:56Speaker 05

  For those of us who don't follow, it was quite an update. Shock, really.

• 5:00Speaker 07

  I think you're gonna have to give us some info now that you guys brought this up.

• 5:04Speaker 06

  I was showing Randall Lucas Black. He's a, he's an actor. You know this guy, Phil?

• 5:09Speaker 07

  Never heard of him.

• 5:10Speaker 06

  He was on Fast and Furious.

• 5:12Speaker 07

  Oh, that's why I haven't heard of him.

• 5:13Speaker 06

  Sling Blade.

• 5:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 5:14Speaker 06

  Um.

• 5:15Speaker 07

  I'm looking him up right now.

• 5:16Speaker 06

  Anyway, he's like a.

• 5:17Speaker 05

  I could have sworn he was in The Skulls.

• 5:18Speaker 06

  He's like a professional tournament angler now.

• 5:22Speaker 07

  Really?

• 5:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:23Speaker 07

  Good for him.

• 5:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's fishing right now in a tournament.

• 5:26Speaker 07

  Oh, he's on an NCIS show.

• 5:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, NCIS.

• 5:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, he was in Fast and Furious. Tokyo Drift.

• 5:32Speaker 07

  It's interesting.

• 5:33Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, I thought, I thought that was fascinating.

• 5:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:36Speaker 07

  Randall, what's, uh, we're not that interesting. What's going on with you? Tell us something interesting.

• 5:40Speaker 05

  Well, I thought you were gonna tell us a little bit about your, uh, weekend last week and you were with all the.

• 5:46Speaker 07

  Oh, down at, down at NWTF?

• 5:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, a little bit of FOMO.

• 5:50Speaker 07

  You had FOMO?

• 5:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 06

  I had FOMO.

• 5:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:53Speaker 07

  From Tur- from, uh, the Turkey Convention?

• 5:56Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's one of my favorite things ever. It's Turkey's, Turkey on.

• 5:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's just, it's a lot, man. It's a big place with a lot of people. It's great to see the enthusiasm, right? Of all, all these Turkey fans. We, uh, helped MC host the Grand Slam after-party on Friday night and helped, uh, raise a bunch of money. For N W T F, sell some raffle tickets. That went good. Um, we told some stories, um, played some trivia, had a hoot owl contest, which, and you know, you would think you're N W T F, like it would just be no problem to find just 20 of them that sound just like a damn owl.

• 6:39Speaker 06

  Really?

• 6:39Speaker 05

  Sad.

• 6:40Speaker 07

  I don't know if we're just somehow we're still looking in the wrong places or we're not getting the word out. That or it's only Clay and I that actually appreciate someone that can actually do a good voice owl call.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  Well, I also feel like in the past we've, we feel like we've heard good owl, you know, it's always the last place we were, we heard some good ones or last year we heard some good ones and maybe we're just.

• 7:04Speaker 07

  But you hear a couple, three good ones. And we had that at the, at the convention too. But again, we were thinking that like, oh my God, it's going to be very tough to vet this crowd to get eight of them to get, come on stage because we're going to have 50 good ones.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:18Speaker 07

  Wasn't the case. The next day we hung out in the booth for about six hours and um, it actually wasn't too bad. Um, but, and that's my favorite part because you just talk to fans coming through and it's good to get the one-on-one feedback, you know, and hear what, what they appreciate about what we do.

• 7:36Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 7:37Speaker 07

  So yeah, I got this fancy hat here.

• 7:39Speaker 05

  Looks good.

• 7:41Speaker 07

  Thanks.

• 7:41Speaker 05

  Oh, it's an N W, that's a turkey feather.

• 7:43Speaker 07

  Mm, mm-hmm.

• 7:44Speaker 05

  Fascinating.

• 7:45Speaker 07

  Turkey feather, first light N W T F collab with, I can't remember how much of the proceeds go to N W T F, but a bunch. So if you want to support turkeys and you like the hat, there you go.

• 7:55Speaker 05

  Very cool. And Seth's wearing a custom made hat.

• 7:58Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:00Speaker 05

  Show it to the camera, would you please?

• 8:02Speaker 06

  You can't buy it anywhere.

• 8:03Speaker 07

  You can't wear that one turkey hunting.

• 8:04Speaker 06

  Unless you offer me money and I can sell it to you. But or not, you can't buy it.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Redman Tournament Trail Bass Fishing Tournament patch on it.

• 8:13Speaker 06

  Old school.

• 8:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, there is no Redman anymore.

• 8:16Speaker 06

  Nope, it's America's best. But back in the day, Redman used to sponsor.

• 8:20Speaker 07

  Oh, they, they changed the, uh, the, the, the name.

• 8:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, they changed it to America's.

• 8:26Speaker 05

  Understandably.

• 8:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 8:28Speaker 05

  Understandably.

• 8:30Speaker 05

  Well, Yannis, since you asked about my weekend, I'll tell you a little bit about my weekend. You did that before I asked you about your weekend. On, uh, on Thursday, Steve and I went to Cody. And, uh, we went to the Cody Firearms Museum. Shout out to Danny and Emma there. Gave us a little tour. Saw some super cool stuff.

• 8:50Speaker 06

  They run the joint?

• 8:52Speaker 05

  Uh, Danny is the curator of the firearms collection. And then Emma is from their marketing team. And, uh, we got to hold guns, one of which was owned by Liveryton Johnson, the inspiration for Jeremiah Johnson. And then the other one, the provenance is a little more, uh, cloudy, but allegedly belonged to one Jed Smith.

• 9:16Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 9:17Speaker 05

  So some real mountain man, heavy hitters there.

• 9:20Speaker 06

  That place is so impressive. I was there last winter.

• 9:23Speaker 05

  Oh. I think they've, I think you said they had 6,000 firearms in the collection? Or on display, one of the two?

• 9:30Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 9:31Speaker 05

  And that the downstairs-

• 9:32Speaker 06

  Honestly, I would've thought they'd had more.

• 9:33Speaker 05

  They have drawers. You can just pull out drawers, full of guns.

• 9:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 9:38Speaker 05

  Um, and my favorite part was they have, when you walk in, they have, because it's, it's made, the museum is geared both towards weirdos like myself and towards just general, you know, tourists who don't have experience with guns. So it explains like bolt action, pump action, whatever else. And there's a bolt action that is the most, probably one of the most cycled bolt actions in the world. It's literally falling apart. Cause it's probably got a million cycles on it from every kid that walks in there and does it 30 times as fast as they can.

• 10:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:13Speaker 05

  It's pretty weird to see what, what happens when you just wear one of those things out.

• 10:16Speaker 06

  That's cool.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  Um, afterwards, Steve and I gave a talk about the mountain men at the, the Cody Culture Club invited us down and one Jim Zumbo was in attendance, local. Local Jim Zumbo, lovely man. It's nice to meet a living legend. And then I went to the Hun Expo in Salt Lake. Again, got to see a lot of the- A lot of the, the, the folks there that tune in and it's always nice to meet people that appreciate the weird stuff that I do and that we do together. Shout out to Cade, loyal Meat Eater Radio Live listener with whom I shared a malted beverage.

• 10:52Speaker 07

  Hmm, I wonder if he's listening.

• 10:54Speaker 05

  Oh, I think he is. I'm guessing he is. Good guy, good guy. Competitive rimfire shooter.

• 10:59Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  Which interests me to no end.

• 11:02Speaker 07

  Hmm. I've been doing some competitive shooting lately. I meant to talk about this, I think, last week. Excuse me.

• 11:10Speaker 05

  Shooting what?

• 11:11Speaker 07

  Uh, bows and arrows.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:14Speaker 07

  I'm shooting my first ever league.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 11:16Speaker 07

  And I encourage everybody, like, the worst part about it is realizing how much fun it is and then realizing that I haven't done it for the last 40 years like I should have been. Um, maybe or maybe not, I'd be a better shooter. I don't know, but I definitely.

• 11:29Speaker 05

  I feel that way about video games.

• 11:33Speaker 07

  I've definitely missed out on a lot of fun.

• 11:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:35Speaker 07

  You know, and, um, but no, it's also fun to shoot, uh, well, and I didn't know how well I was shooting.

• 11:43Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:43Speaker 07

  But my buddy, Jeremy, you know, I love Jeremy, but we've been, there was a little bit of a gentleman scoring going on a little bit. And so where the eight ring and the insert outline are oftentimes can be kind of blurry. Sometimes if it's a really big insert, it's very clear, but other times it's, it's close. And sometimes if it's just in the insert, we were like, oh yeah, it's an eight. Outside of the insert, it's a five. Well, no, you gotta be within the eight ring or touching the eight ring to get an eight. So I felt like, I, I didn't really care because I'm just like, I'm there to have fun, stretch the string, keep my, my bow muscles active.

• 12:26Speaker 07

  Well, as soon as you see your name on the leaderboard.

• 12:30Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 12:31Speaker 07

  And you're like, top 10.

• 12:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:33Speaker 07

  Then there's going to be scrutiny.

• 12:34Speaker 05

  Right.

• 12:35Speaker 07

  And so you can't be like, oh yeah, we have this gentleman scoring and I, you know.

• 12:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:40Speaker 07

  What I mean? So I, I called the shop and I said, look, you guys gotta knock off 15 points off my score. Because I think on average, we've probably at least been doing that once around.

• 12:50Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 12:51Speaker 07

  Now.

• 12:52Speaker 05

  Good for you.

• 12:52Speaker 07

  With pure, um, honest scoring.

• 12:56Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 12:57Speaker 07

  Last night, I still shot my best round ever.

• 13:00Speaker 05

  Nicely done.

• 13:00Speaker 07

  So I'm, uh, I'm stoked. And like I said, I encourage everybody to do an archery league, man. It's just super fun.

• 13:07Speaker 05

  Stretching the string is what, is that like burning some powder in the archery world?

• 13:10Speaker 07

  I guess. I don't know where I came up with that.

• 13:13Speaker 05

  I like it.

• 13:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 13:14Speaker 05

  But, uh.

• 13:15Speaker 06

  I've never heard that before.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  You should make a T-shirt that says, stretch the string.

• 13:20Speaker 07

  I'm gonna think about that for a day or two, but yeah.

• 13:23Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 13:23Speaker 07

  You love it? Okay.

• 13:24Speaker 05

  Very marketable.

• 13:27Speaker 05

  You done? We done?

• 13:28Speaker 07

  I mean, I can talk about.

• 13:29Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 13:30Speaker 07

  Archery club for forever.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  No, let's talk to, let's talk to my friend Scott here.

• 13:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm interested to hear about what Scott has to say about the American Prairie.

• 13:37Speaker 05

  Our first guest today is Scott Heidebrink, Director of Landscape Stewardship at American Prairie. Scott, welcome to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Uh, Scott, some of our listeners may have seen a story about a recent federal land management decision involving American Prairie. Can you give us the basics? Who American Prairie is, what you're trying to do, and why you've been in the news lately?

• 14:06Speaker 05

  Sure. Yeah, we're, uh, we're a nonprofit organization. We, uh, with the goal of, uh, seeing a fully functioning ecosystem, uh, prairie ecosystem here in Montana. So that's kind of three pillars for us, land, wildlife, and people. And so, uh, focusing on habitat, the animals that use that habitat, and the people that come to see or utilize those animals on the landscape. And yeah, like you said, why we're, why we've been in the news is that, uh, the Bureau of Land Management and the Secretary of the Interior have, uh,

• 14:43Speaker 05

  Have changed or made a proposed decision to cancel our bison grazing leases, which have been in place for some of them for up for 20 years.

• 14:55Speaker 05

  And to convert them back to cattle leases. So that's the, that's the short story there. Gotcha. So for those who, who are unfamiliar with how this stuff works, can you explain what it means to have a BLM grazing lease? And how these leases factor into your bison program? Cause that's, that's what you guys are really known for in a lot of ways. I think when people think American Prairie, they think bison. Yeah, sure. So with, with the BLM here in the West where you have these public lands, they're, they're often interspersed with private lands and how the grazing system was set up is

• 15:35Speaker 05

  that when you purchase a piece of deeded property, you have the opportunity to have grazing privileges on neighboring allotments or on these federal lands. And so when you purchase these properties, you have the first shot at leasing those lands. And so when we buy property at American Prairie, we also retain those leases that go with them. And that's integral in, into our bison program. About two thirds of our acres that we have bison on our BLM acres. And so that's how we've been able to grow our herds over the past 20 years from 16 animals in 2005 to the 940 that we have right now.

• 16:19Speaker 05

  Gotcha. And just, so you've got 940 now. I'm kind of skipping ahead a little bit, but you guys also have cattle grazing on American Prairie lands. Can you give folks, cause you hear a lot of times like they want to replace all the cattle with buffalo. That's sort of what some of the, the critics would say about your organization. Can you give us some of the statistics about cattle versus buffalo on your property? Or on your, and your leases as well? Yeah, we have. So yeah, in addition to the. The two properties that have bison on, we have thirty six lessees across the other over five hundred thousand acres that we manage that we have about eight thousand two hundred cattle

• 17:02Speaker 05

  right now that are grazing on these other allotments that we don't have bison on. Gotcha. So bison are just a fraction of of the overall grazing that happens on American Prairie. Right, yeah, we can figure roughly like ten percent of the land base and ten percent of the animals. Gotcha. Now, the BLM's justification for for revoking these leases centers on the argument that bison aren't livestock because they're not managed for production, and those are the words that they are using. How do you explain that legal interpretation and and does it accurately reflect how you guys think of that that bison herd?

• 17:43Speaker 05

  Uh, no, it does not accurately reflect that. So, yeah, we we have always been classified as livestock in Montana. That's the only classification we have for bison. And so over the past twenty years that we've owned bison, we've been operating under the Taylor Grazing Act. At no point has anyone told us we were not in compliance with the act. And so, uh, you know, when I look at our herd, we do, we do manage differently. We we manage, you know, for even our natural sex ratios and natural herd demographics and things like that, where we are a little different. But at the end of the day, we are still running an operation where we are producing animals on the landscape.

• 18:28Speaker 05

  Um, we've produced about twenty, we've grown twenty one hundred bison at American Prairie over our first twenty years and uh, forty eight percent of those animals were either field harvested or shipped to other herds for genetics or to grow or supplement other herds. So although we do it a little differently. And our management is a little different. You know, we are, we are producing, we are shipping out animals, we are harvesting those animals. Yeah, and, and I would like to point out, uh, just as sort of a,

• 18:59Speaker 05

  for my own sake, it's a bit of a brag, I have one of those animals in my freezer, thanks to my wife's opportunity, a couple of years ago, and, uh, yep, it's, we killed that on BLM land on one of your leases. So that's to give folks a picture of what this looks like in the field, like, we were on BLM ground on Onyx when we, when we shot that buffalo.

• 19:21Speaker 05

  Scott, there, there are other,

• 19:25Speaker 05

  there are other people grazing bison on BLM lands across the west. Um, the BLM has acknowledged in 2022 that Colorado, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, they all have federally administered leases where bison graze. Um, how, how can you reconcile that, or how can they reconcile that with its current position regarding American Prairie?

• 19:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I think there's, there's a couple of things there. We're looking, you know, there, the, the facts that are being used to make this proposed decision are not based on what's actually happening on the ground, they're based on a few very vague or old quotes or, uh, documents that, that are being used, um, to define our management. And so with that, I think, you know, I've, I've been grazing bison for 10 years now, we, we don't, we have never been told that we were not in compliance with this, and so it's kind of out of left field for us, and we feel like we're being targeted here for our specific management,

• 20:36Speaker 05

  even though we are producing something, something on the land. Landscape here, which is all those bison. And so, um, I think the BLM is making an effort to not impact others, but it, it, at the end of the day, it is targeting, targeting us for our different kind of management. Yeah, and I think, um, we would be remiss if we didn't acknowledge that, um, there is controversy that bubbles up whenever American Prairies mentioned. Um, your organization has critics that argue that, um, it's, it's a threat to the livelihood of ranching and ranching communities. Um, we already heard that your operation is mostly grazing cattle on, on lands and leases, but, um,

• 21:21Speaker 05

  I'm wondering how you guys respond to those critics, um, in terms of your relationship to the communities around American Prairie.

• 21:30Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, so I'm from a rural community. I, I totally get the fear of, you know, somebody new coming in, a big landowner changes, things like that. And I'm really empathetic to that. I, I understand all of that. And, you know, I, I would ask people, you know, to look at the facts and actually what's happening on the ground out there. You know, with the eight, 8200 cattle, with the 30 some lessees, we have a wild, wildlife friendly land management program for private landowners with 21 participants in it. And so, you know, at the end of the day, I think there is that fear component. Um, but in practice, we're, we're working with a lot of people on the landscape that have lived there for a really long time.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  And I think there are a lot of other factors outside of American Prairie that are, uh, really impacting the ranching community, like, like the demographics of the region or policy changes at the federal level, things like that, that are, that are really, uh, hurting the ranching economy and the ranching community. Yeah, Scott, um, I, I, at this point, I think we can assume you've, you've mentioned this is a proposed decision.

• 22:45Speaker 05

  Can you tell us a little bit about the next steps? I assume that there's going to be a challenge to this in the courts and I've seen that some other groups have spoken up on American Prairie's behalf. Can you tell us a little bit about like what, what the road looks like ahead of you?

• 23:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, so we're in this protest period right now. Well, the, the protest period has ended all the. Protests have been turned over and essentially what that means is that

• 23:12Speaker 05

  Interested parties are making arguments as to why this is a Valid decision or a not a not valid decision and so Yeah, like you said, American Prairie, we submitted our own protests because this directly impacts us, but then groups like Western Watersheds Projects, Tonka Fund, the Coalition of Large Tribes, Defenders of Wildlife, Have all submitted protests against this proposed decision and so At the end of the day, well, the BLM will Analyze all these protests and they will make a final decision, whether that's to keep the current proposed decision Or something else, or to go back to the old permit with the bison. There's a wide range of options there.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  At the end of the day, this is likely, there, there's two paths after the protest period, which are either federal court or administrative court. And we don't know what, what route it's going to take yet. And so either, either way, It will likely head one of those routes, though. Gotcha. And, and I mentioned earlier, when we, uh, when I was lucky enough to go on my wife's buffalo hunt, uh, we ended up Harvesting that animal on BLM ground. Would, would your inability to graze Buffalo on BLM impact public hunting opportunities? Because you guys offer Twenty some, uh, harvest opportunities for the public each year? Is that going to be affected at all if this goes through?

• 24:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, it likely will be affected. As of right now, we're moving forward.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  As normal operations until we know what the BLM's decision is. Once that is made, you know, the, the bison, two thirds of the acres that the bison are on our Federal land. And so if we have to remove those bison, we have to Move them to other properties or ship them to other herds, things like that. And so that, that will likely impact The harvest program. So like you said, twenty to thirty opportunities a year right now. That would likely be reduced or eliminated for a period of time until we're through. All, all the steps. We need to take with the courts.

• 25:25Steven Rinella?

  Gotcha. Well, Scott, we're gonna keep a close eye on this. Thanks for coming on the show and hopefully I'll see you soon at a fence pole or something like that somewhere out on the prairie.

• 25:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, sounds good. Thanks for having me, guys.

• 25:39Steven Rinella?

  All right.

• 25:39Speaker 07

  Thanks, Scott.

• 25:43Steven Rinella?

  That's a good dude right there.

• 25:44Speaker 07

  I need to remember to put in for that tag. I always forget.

• 25:47Steven Rinella?

  Oh, the coolest, the coolest, one of the coolest things I've ever done in terms of just being on a wild landscape. Only people hunting it, just wild animals.

• 25:59Steven Rinella?

  They're, you know, they don't, they might technically be livestock, but they don't act like it.

• 26:03Speaker 07

  They're spooky.

• 26:04Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. It's like, it's like antelope hunting.

• 26:09Steven Rinella?

  The week after season opener.

• 26:11Speaker 07

  Hmm, that's spooky.

• 26:12Steven Rinella?

  Super cool.

• 26:13Speaker 07

  That's interesting.

• 26:14Steven Rinella?

  Super cool.

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• 29:58Speaker 05

  Good, good dance moves.

• 30:02Speaker 06

  Have you randomly got anything?

• 30:11Speaker 05

  Well, that's fun. Our next segment is show and tell. Seth, let's start with you. What did you bring to show the classroom today?

• 30:21Speaker 06

  I brought a, a whitetail buck.

• 30:27Speaker 06

  And this buck, the story behind it goes, it was Thanksgiving Day. And, no, it wasn't Thanksgiving Day. It was the day before Thanksgiving. I hadn't killed a deer yet.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  And this is 2022?

• 30:43Speaker 06

  21.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 30:45Speaker 06

  2021. I have it written right on the back. I was driving, I'd planned to go to a deer hunting spot and just stay there through Thanksgiving for like a, you know, till the end of the season, basically. And on my way there, I left super early in the morning. It was just cracking daylight. I'm in my, in my car, heading to the spot and I just happened to see this guy cross the road in front of me. And did the old pull up on X real quick to see if there's any public around. Sure enough, he like dropped down in a drainage that led right to a piece of state ground. So I drove up there, parked my vehicle, got down in that drainage where it crossed the state ground and

• 31:29Speaker 06

  sat there and waited for probably, I don't know, 30, 40 minutes. And here he come. He popped out.

• 31:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 06

  And then I killed him.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  Nicely done. What'd you shoot him with?

• 31:40Speaker 06

  Uh, 65 Creedmore.

• 31:42Speaker 05

  That'll do it.

• 31:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 05

  Every time.

• 31:44Speaker 06

  425 yards.

• 31:46Speaker 05

  Beautiful. Oh, it's a nice buck.

• 31:48Speaker 06

  Yeah. I cut him up, threw him in the truck, stopped and got a case of Busch Light and then went to my friends for Thanksgiving.

• 31:54Speaker 05

  Beautiful.

• 31:55Speaker 06

  We celebrated this buck.

• 31:59Speaker 05

  I like that he's broken.

• 32:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, fighter.

• 32:01Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Got some gur.

• 32:03Speaker 06

  Would have been a, you know, a big scorer if, if he still had those points, you know what I mean?

• 32:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, if he'd grown it, could you imagine if he'd grown another year?

• 32:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, I got it.

• 32:16Speaker 07

  What do you think? Two year old or three year old?

• 32:19Speaker 06

  Probably three.

• 32:20Speaker 07

  Probably a three year old.

• 32:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 32:22Speaker 05

  That, that, uh.

• 32:23Speaker 06

  That's a very typical Montana buck.

• 32:25Speaker 05

  That reminds me of my idea for a, a hunting program that I host called Could Have Been a Booner. Where I shoot two to three year old animals with a lot of potential.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  See how most of my falls work out.

• 32:37Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 32:38Speaker 07

  Nothing wrong with that.

• 32:39Speaker 05

  No, no, no. I love it. I can't help myself. Um, Yanni, do you want to go last?

• 32:45Speaker 07

  I don't care. It's up to you.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Why don't you go? Why don't you go?

• 32:49Speaker 07

  You want me to go? Okay. I brought in two things. One is this here skull.

• 32:57Speaker 05

  Hmm, spooky.

• 32:59Speaker 07

  You guys getting a good? Oh, yeah. It's the bear skull. This is the second bear skull. The first bear, everybody asks, is this your first bear? It kind of really is because it's the first bear I hunted. We had a problem bear in my yard. I've probably told this story a couple of years ago. And Mingus treated him. He was eating our chickens. Mingus treated him. And I, I was on the phone with the warden and he was like, well, you can either shoot him right now out of the tree or I can come and, uh, I'll shoot him out of the tree or I'll get him. But once he's been eating chickens, he's not going to quit eating chickens. And that's just, that's how it is. Since then, we've gotten a super like grizzly bear proof fence that you, I, I've touched it.

• 33:42Speaker 07

  And I'm telling you, you don't want to touch our electric fence. So we haven't had any, uh, chicken problems, uh, since then. Um, so I shot a little baby bear out of a tree one time, but this is the first bear I actually hunted. I went to Manitoba last spring and, um, did my first ever baited black bear hunt with, uh, Craig and Mel McCarthy of, uh, North Mountain Adventures. And I think on the third evening, classic hunt, doesn't matter if it's like spot and stock or baited, right? We hunt one spot. That that day, we get pictures of like two or three good bears at another bait spot. And we decided to switch locations. So we go to another location. Sure enough,

• 34:26Speaker 07

  no big bears show up there. And at the first spot, this one shows up. So the third night, we go back and he showed up right at last light again. What was cool, a couple of things, you're gonna be able to see this. Uh, I think next Tuesday, we drop, um, my Manitoba bear episode. But, uh, a couple of cool things about this hunt is like, you're so close to these bears. Where like, one afternoon, uh, sitting on a baited hunt, like you get to see more bear activity and observe more bears than you would in a decade of doing spots, stock hunting in Montana. You know what I mean? At least in my experience. So just all the interactions amongst the bears, the crazy sounds that they make.

• 35:11Speaker 07

  Um, and then like their ability to figure stuff out, like, they love a beaver carcass. For whatever reason, we don't actually know. Craig's got a theory that their mothers teach them that in the spring, that's your first way to get easy meat is sit on a little beaver run and snag a beaver. And you go, yeah, right, whatever. We had barrels full of oats and corn soaked in used fryer oil with a few pastries or birthday sheet cakes on top, whatever. If there was a beaver carcass hanging there, the bears were like, we're gonna get that thing before we mess around with whatever's in that barrel.

• 35:53Speaker 07

  And they can smell it all, you know, I mean, they, the bait is doped up with all kinds of fancy smelling stuff. But they love that beaver carcass. And so like the first day, we hung it way too easy to grab. And they just, like, the first bear goes in there, takes it down out of the tree, and he goes off into the bush and you can hear him chewing on it for the next hour, you know? Another bear might go over there and try to take it from them or whatever. So I'm like, well, we don't want that. We want to see it. So we started hanging it. We did like a high line and then hung it off the middle. But that one didn't work too good because it was almost it's just too difficult. Like they would like look and look and try to figure it out. And maybe it was just the bears, like the individual bears themselves. Cause the third night we did it,

• 36:37Speaker 07

  we hung one, kind of like you'd hang a bag of food, you know, slung it over a branch and then tied it off. This one bear comes in and he's determined and he spends an hour. He like climbed every single tree he could climb in the vicinity and just is like thinking, thinking, thinking, looking, going out on these little limbs. Ah, can't go out there, comes back and he finally figures out that that yellow rope. When he touches it, the beaver moves, right? So then he starts putting the rope in his mouth and climbing down the tree and the beaver's going up. And you get down to the bottom and he let it go. And again, I didn't know, I don't know if the bear knows that, oh, if I do this enough times, there's gonna be enough sort of

• 37:18Speaker 07

  um, force that something's gonna give and this beaver's gonna drop out of the sky. But, oh, can't am accident. Um, that uh, eventually that happens and the beaver just like our little knot or whatever, the noose didn't hold. Beaver hit the ground and he, and he got his, so it was just like cool to see bears doing bear things and how like. Clay's got a new book coming out, I think it's about a year out about the American bear. And they, according to the research Clay's done, bears are like the most sort of adaptable, curious animal out there. Like they're the ones that will sort of see something and more human like, right? Where you're like, hey, I need to know more.

• 38:01Speaker 05

  Them and dolphins.

• 38:02Speaker 07

  Figure that out.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  He likes dolphins.

• 38:05Speaker 07

  I like dolphins are pretty cool.

• 38:07Speaker 05

  Very sexual.

• 38:08Speaker 07

  Um, yeah, so this big old boy, the cool thing about this bear, when he finally came in. Is that there's a lot of noises around a, a bait pile or bait, you know, a bait site, I guess, right? There's just like, I mean, at times there was a half a dozen bears. And they're, you know, there's a lot of interactions and anytime there's a sow with cubs. Anytime another bear comes around, the sow makes the cubs run up the trees, right? So it's just like this constant grunting and stuff running through the brush, chasing each other, cubs going up and down trees. When this dude got to probably seventy-five, eighty yards of the bait, it was like the woods went silent.

• 38:52Speaker 05

  Hmm, he's the boss.

• 38:53Speaker 07

  Like, Mom, the sow had moved these couple of cubs off of the bait, and they were like at the base of a tree. I don't know if they had climbed yet. Maybe they climbed a little ways. But it was almost like the birds quit chirping, and it just like, all you could hear was a little stream trickling down behind me that was, was behind us. And he just walked in just slow, and you know how those boars do when their, you know, toes are kind of pointed in a little bit. And started sniffing around. But again, limited experience for me. I'm like, is that the one? Like, I think it's the one. I can't, I've been saying to myself that that sow was a really good-sized, good-looking bear. And if she had been in there by herself with no cubs, I'd probably have been like, oh, I would shoot that bear. And this bear came in and he was, you know, another, whatever, thirty percent bigger than her. So I'm like, okay,

• 39:38Speaker 07

  it's gotta be the right bear. Um, should have brought in a picture of him. So anyways, yeah, I got my first real bear skull here. And then when I'm, I'm excited about the skull. These skulls are always fun. But check this out. This is that bear's hide. And I can't remember exactly. I think we squared him like close to eight feet. Um, Craig, I wish you were listening. You could, you could call, you could write in and say, but I mean, it's just a giant.

• 40:07Speaker 05

  Huge bear.

• 40:08Speaker 07

  And I'm gonna use this as an actual rug at my house. Go ahead and flip her back on there, Seth.

• 40:15Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 40:16Speaker 07

  Um, I'm not gonna put it on the wall. I'm gonna put it on the floor. Our fireplace is kind of in the wrong spot right now, so it's probably not gonna be in the fireplace. Eventually, when I move my wood stove to a cozy little area, I'll do that. But for now, I'm gonna have it like in front of the couch. So you can put your feet on it. I'm gonna let my dog lay on it. Cause I wanna use it, you know?

• 40:34Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:35Speaker 07

  Like, it's a comfortable thing. To put your feet on and

• 40:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 07

  It'll be warm. It'll be cool.

• 40:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've reached that point with a lot of animal parts that I'm just like. I don't know, I'm gonna hang on to this for 20 years in a box somewhere.

• 40:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, just to look at it.

• 40:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, like Sydney's, Sydney's bison robe sits on the couch. The dogs love it.

• 40:57Speaker 07

  Right.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  And you get to interact with it every day.

• 40:59Speaker 07

  Right, you might as well use it. You can always go get it. Well, maybe not always, but for right now, you can go get another bear hide or another bison robe.

• 41:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 07

  If you get lucky to draw that hunt. And same thing with these. These are like fun to look at, the skulls. But honestly, I'm gonna do more bear hunts. I'm gonna do more spot and stalk hunts. I'm gonna do more baited bear hunts. The number one reason, I mean, besides the adventure and enjoying a hunt, but as far as something to take home, it's bear meat. And bear grease.

• 41:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 07

  Like, I love eating bears. When you're just like, the last 20 years, I feel like all I've been eating is super lean venison of different types and to have like a freezer full of bear meat. It's awesome.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  Love it.

• 41:42Speaker 07

  So, there you go. That's my show and tell.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  And before we, later we'll explain a bit more about your, your film.

• 41:51Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 41:51Speaker 05

  And we have some exciting announcements at the very end of this, so stay tuned, but it's coming out next week.

• 41:59Speaker 07

  Uh, yeah, I believe on Tuesday, the 24th.

• 42:02Speaker 05

  Cool. Well, I brought in a, uh,

• 42:07Speaker 05

  I brought in a lion hide.

• 42:08Speaker 07

  No, it's been here the whole time.

• 42:10Speaker 05

  It's been sitting in my office. So actually I didn't bring it in.

• 42:15Speaker 07

  You brought it down.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  I brought it down. Um.

• 42:18Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, let me feel the claws while you're talking about it.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I just think this is one of the cooler, uh, one of the cooler things I have. Um, it's a tom I killed a number of years ago when I was living in Missoula. And it's just a wild, wild animal to, like, yeah, look at the claws, look at the pads on its feet. I had it hanging in my garage for a while while I was butchering it and just like messing with, like, it's just an animal that you're not gonna get up close and personal with unless, um, it's sedated.

• 42:55Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:55Speaker 05

  Or unless it's moved on to the next world. Um.

• 42:59Speaker 07

  Or unless it's mauling you.

• 43:01Speaker 05

  Unless it's mauling you, yeah, but speaking of, uh, Delicious things to eat. My god.

• 43:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  Um, if I could put a deer, if I had the option of putting a deer in the freezer or a lion in the freezer every year, it would probably be the lion.

• 43:17Speaker 07

  Really?

• 43:18Speaker 05

  Just for variety. Yeah, I mean, I'd still be hopefully killing elk and things like that.

• 43:22Speaker 07

  You'd have some kind of venison.

• 43:23Speaker 05

  Yeah. But yeah, the, the, um,

• 43:26Speaker 05

  I mean, we, we made like a lot of pulled like barbecue sandwiches. Um, our favorite thing was making passole with it. Like a Mexican stew.

• 43:35Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 05

  Where you ordinarily get a big like pork shoulder and chop that up, but, um, just a super cool animal is a cool hunt. Um, the only animal I've hunted with hounds.

• 43:47Speaker 07

  Mm hmm.

• 43:47Speaker 05

  And that was, uh,

• 43:49Speaker 07

  Did you do it with our buddy Pete?

• 43:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, Pete and then another, another his buddies. And, uh, yeah, we, you know, rode the sleds up and down forest service roads. So we cut a track and then went back, got all the dogs, uh, chased them downhill, treed, they actually, the dogs split up. One of them got on another cat's track and treed that cat. We pulled those dogs off that cat. And by the time we did that, the other dogs had this one treed. And so then we hiked back up to the road, back up above the road and then, um, shot him with a 12 gauge, or sorry, 20 gauge slug.

• 44:25Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 44:26Speaker 05

  Which was, uh, I figured the best thing I had for like a 30 yard shot.

• 44:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:31Speaker 05

  And, uh, just super cool. But yeah, like again, the whole process and, uh, the meat in the freezer was, was really the highlight for me. Like Sydney was kind of like, this is what you're doing? And then we got it in the freezer and she was like, I would like you to do that more. So,

• 44:49Speaker 07

  That's good.

• 44:50Speaker 05

  That's all I feel like that's the optimum outcome for any, any hunt.

• 44:53Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah. It's a very well managed species, especially in our state of Montana. And, uh, I mean, there's not enough lions for everybody to have one in their freezer every year, but a lot of quotas are never met.

• 45:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 07

  And that's, you know, that's a whole nother thing. The, the quotas in our state are a little bit, uh, controversial right now, but, uh, Like, if you wanted to try it, there's opportunities out there, you know? And if you wanted to be a person like myself with a hound that wanted to put one in the freezer every single year, like, I don't see why not.

• 45:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, if, if for some reason, someone had a, an allergy to cat meat, I don't know if that exists or not. And they, they ended up getting one and said, hey, does anyone want this? I would be knocking down their door to get it.

• 45:37Speaker 07

  Happy to take it.

• 45:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, for sure.

• 45:39Speaker 07

  I'm going tomorrow. We got some snow finally. I'm gonna go out and about.

• 45:44Speaker 05

  Dress warm.

• 45:45Speaker 07

  Maybe I'll get my.

• 45:45Speaker 05

  Keep moving.

• 45:47Speaker 07

  Well, you don't want to be wearing is I'm gonna be wearing this Thermagrid, uh, merino top.

• 45:52Speaker 05

  What a shameless plug.

• 45:54Speaker 07

  Right against my skin, underneath my soft shell. That'll be my kit tomorrow.

• 45:59Speaker 06

  Great piece for active.

• 46:00Speaker 05

  Excellent, excellent.

• 46:01Speaker 06

  I mean.

• 46:02Speaker 05

  Tomorrow's a weekday, right?

• 46:03Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 46:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, I, I, some days I get to hunt for work, Randall. You knew that.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, just, just, you know.

• 46:11Speaker 06

  Just occasionally.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  Uh, Phil, what's the chat saying?

• 46:14Speaker 06

  What is the chat?

• 46:15Speaker 05

  How are they, they hanging in there? Oh, gosh.

• 46:17Speaker 06

  Brent Reeves is in the chat. In the chat.

• 46:20Speaker 05

  He probably wants, he hasn't got enough of the Newcoms.

• 46:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, he heard, he heard playing bear hopping in. He came in here to roast him, I'm sure. But before we get there. Uh, let's see. Valancourt asks, when Radio Live ends and it drops to the news segments, will those be recorded tonight? Recorded in a live setting with questions, comments from the YouTube chat? No, Valancourt, they will, it will not be a live show.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  No, but, but we recognize that this is a, uh, a fun dynamic, so I don't, we don't have any concrete plans, but.

• 46:51Speaker 06

  We will do occasional live streams.

• 46:52Speaker 05

  I don't think we will abandon this.

• 46:54Speaker 07

  Randall and I are in the midst of planning a live tour. We don't know where it's gonna happen yet. In the United States, but, uh, so if you want more live Randall, then I just stay tuned and figure out where we're gonna do the next live tour.

• 47:07Speaker 05

  Anything can happen. Anything.

• 47:10Speaker 07

  When you're doing it live.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. Phil, what do you got?

• 47:14Speaker 06

  This is a part, two-part question from Cranky Zverf. Part one. Recently tanned some bear and elk hides. The bear hides turned out fine. The elk hide is pretty stiff after tanning. Uh, brush, brush on, tanning, breaking and oiling. Part two. When breaking it more after drying, the elk hide cracks on the first side. Any thoughts or tips on rehydration? Water salt bath, question mark? Would re-tanning be necessary after rehydrating?

• 47:40Speaker 06

  No clue.

• 47:40Speaker 05

  I know nothing about this.

• 47:42Speaker 06

  Oh, I thought you guys were pros in here.

• 47:43Speaker 07

  No, you need to, you need to call, uh,

• 47:46Speaker 05

  I'd call a taxidermist.

• 47:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, call our buddy John.

• 47:49Speaker 06

  Joan Hayes.

• 47:50Speaker 07

  John Hayes.

• 47:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, sorry, we can't help you. The image with this, uh, listener's profile is interesting. It looks like a wizard of some sort.

• 47:59Speaker 06

  Looks like a D and D NPC to me.

• 48:03Speaker 06

  Uh, Ad Rock, he's here. Uh, tomorrow, the Alaska Draw Hunt Lottery results come out for 2027.

• 48:10Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 48:10Speaker 06

  If any of the gang applied for anything, he's hoping to score a black bear tag from Prince of Wales. Oh, me too.

• 48:16Speaker 05

  You, me both, buddy.

• 48:17Speaker 06

  Me and Randall are trying to get Prince of Wales tags.

• 48:20Speaker 07

  I drew one.

• 48:21Speaker 06

  Yanni has one in his pocket.

• 48:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, so I'm gonna be hunting there this, uh, spring with our forthcoming guests, uh, both Clay and Bear. So I didn't apply. I don't know if there's, yeah, I haven't applied for anything in Alaska.

• 48:36Speaker 05

  I put in for that. I put in for a real, uh, real low odds moose hunt. And then I put in for musk ox, cause I figure.

• 48:45Speaker 07

  Why not?

• 48:45Speaker 05

  Why not? Let the tag gods smile upon my fate.

• 48:50Speaker 06

  On that note, our guy Leland Hart just drew his very first elk tag.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  Shout out Leland.

• 48:55Speaker 06

  He's going, he's going out this year. Congrats, Leland.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  And I saw.

• 48:57Speaker 07

  Very first?

• 48:58Speaker 06

  That's what he said in a follow-up comment. It's gonna be his first elk hunt.

• 49:02Speaker 05

  I saw in the Meat Eater Radio Live inbox that McCullough, Leland's daughter, whom we wished good luck on her first hunt.

• 49:11Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Was successful.

• 49:12Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 49:13Speaker 05

  In shooting, uh, a javelina out of a squadron of javelinas.

• 49:18Speaker 06

  Sweet.

• 49:18Speaker 05

  Which was the term he used, and I believe that if that's the technically appropriate term, I love it.

• 49:22Speaker 07

  That'd be a good trivia question.

• 49:23Speaker 05

  Phil, hit me.

• 49:24Speaker 06

  You guys aren't very ducky people in here, are you?

• 49:27Speaker 07

  Not super, but what, but what is it?

• 49:29Speaker 06

  It's just, uh, someone's just curious.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  No, but I'm confident.

• 49:31Speaker 06

  If you've ever shot a, a duck or goose with a Jack Minor band or known anyone who has.

• 49:36Speaker 05

  I don't know what that means.

• 49:37Speaker 06

  I don't know what Jack Minor.

• 49:38Speaker 07

  I mean, I know what a band is, but I don't know what a Jack Minor band is.

• 49:41Speaker 06

  I looked it up. It's a big thing. There's a sanctuary in Canada, apparently, that. Oh, like it was banded at Jack Minor. Yeah, but they were, they're kind of unique in, in certain ways, but we can just move past this. Um, let's see. Here we go. Mogor's asking about the new studio. How are things coming along? Well, Mogor.

• 50:00Speaker 05

  Listen closely.

• 50:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. You could probably hear.

• 50:04Speaker 05

  Put the care on yourself.

• 50:04Speaker 06

  I hate doing that. Um, so I will not, but there are a lot of progress is being made in the new studio. And in the last week, it's gone from being kind of a cavernous dusty space to nearly complete. So I would show pictures, but I kind of just want you guys to be surprised. It looks pretty good and I'm excited about it. So that's the update on the new studio. You'll probably see that in the next month or two on content. Um, next question from Will. When is Phil going to appear on Rose? Well, Will, uh, go to the Meat Eater YouTube channel right now and hit that refresh button.

• 50:35Speaker 05

  Right now?

• 50:36Speaker 06

  Right.

• 50:37Speaker 05

  Is that the Scotch Egg Showdown?

• 50:39Speaker 06

  It's the Scotch Egg Skirmish.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Oh, my goodness gracious.

• 50:42Speaker 06

  Featuring Corey and Rick. They are the, the, the, the cooks for that show.

• 50:46Speaker 07

  That dropped today?

• 50:46Speaker 06

  Forty-five minutes ago.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  Hosted, hosted by Yanis Patellas.

• 50:50Speaker 06

  Hosted by Yanis and judged by Randall Williams and myself. I have not watched it yet. So I don't know how much they cut out, but I'm sure they cut out a lot.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  I'm sure they cut out at least a couple of rounds of drinks.

• 51:01Speaker 07

  We need some views, folks. Go check it out.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Phil, Phil did a little pop-up tiki bar sesh unrelated to the, uh, the dish of the day. So.

• 51:10Speaker 06

  I thought it worked really well.

• 51:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was a cool fusion of our passions.

• 51:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, you should watch it. Tell your friends about it. Like and subscribe.

• 51:17Speaker 05

  Smash that like button. Smash that subscribe.

• 51:19Speaker 06

  Share it with everyone.

• 51:21Speaker 05

  Boy, I, Phil, I want to get more of these questions, but I am, I'm worried that we've kept Clay and Bear waiting too long.

• 51:29Speaker 06

  Oh, that's fine.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  Should we move to our second interview?

• 51:31Speaker 07

  They're patient, people.

• 51:32Speaker 06

  I go back and I look at the question. So if you asked a question, I will go back and look for one. And if you haven't yet, ask a question.

• 51:39Steven Rinella?

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• 55:55Steven Rinella?

  Next up on the line, we've got Clay and Bear Newcomb, live from the great state of Arkansas.

• 56:03Speaker 05

  Hello.

• 56:04Steven Rinella?

  How are you fellows doing today?

• 56:05Speaker 05

  Howdy, boys.

• 56:05Steven Rinella?

  Good to see you. Clay, did you get a haircut?

• 56:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:09Steven Rinella?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 56:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's pretty sad for a grown man like me to have hair like this.

• 56:17Steven Rinella?

  No, it's very handsome. You look good. I was hoping we'd keep this rock and roll party going for a while, but someone had to be an adult in the room and chop it off.

• 56:30Speaker 04

  Luckily, we got Bear here.

• 56:32Speaker 05

  That's right, carrying on the family legacy.

• 56:35Speaker 07

  No, Bear also got too much hair cut off, I heard.

• 56:38Speaker 05

  Really?

• 56:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:41Speaker 06

  Wow, what has gotten into you guys?

• 56:45Speaker 06

  It's like some tough weather down there or something, or something in the air?

• 56:51Speaker 04

  You know, I couldn't handle the, I couldn't handle the pressure. Everywhere I went, all people wanted to talk about was my hair. And I'm like, hey, my eyes are down here, guys.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  I know the feeling. I know the feeling, Clay. Well, we're having you guys on. You have some exciting news to share with, uh, the Meat Eater audience here, uh, regarding, uh, development in the Bear Grease Universe, as we like to call it. Can you, uh, can you tell us what's going on in your neck of the woods?

• 57:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, so Bear and I have started a, number one, we've, we've kickstarted a new Bear Grease YouTube channel, and I'll let Bear talk about it a little bit more in terms of content, but I'll describe it for you. If you've been following along with us for very long, you would have known that I used to run and operate Bear Hunting Magazine. And we started a YouTube channel in 2014, back in like, it was almost like the pre-his- history era of the earth. You know, 2014 on YouTube. And I, we built that channel for eight years. There was a lot of bear hunting.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  Just, there's about 70 or 80 videos on there, all kind of stuff. I mean, just all kind of stuff. And Bear Newcomb is actually on there quite a bit as a little kid. And, but when I came to work for Meat Eater, we quit posting to that Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel. It just lay there dormant. This year, just in the last two weeks, we've cranked it back up. We've changed the name to the Bear Grease YouTube channel. And we're, we're lighting the fire again. And Bear Newcomb is going to be the primary host. And Bear, tell them kind of what, what we're going to be putting on there.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, it's a different, it's a different style content, a little more informal content. Um, just capturing some of the adventures. That I'm going on as well as some of the bow builds and other DIY stuff that I do a lot. So what you'll see is a little more informal content. It'll be weekly videos. And, uh, yeah, we've got, we've got a lot of good videos coming out soon. And we've also started up a, a bear grease Instagram channel. So you're gonna be, so. We were posting almost daily on the bear grease Instagram channel. I think it's called real bear grease is what it's called.

• 59:32Speaker 05

  And, uh, so yeah, it really is exciting. It's been a ton of fun so far. Now, are we gonna see Brett Reeves? Is it the usual cast of characters? Uh, on these, on these platforms? That's a great question. Um. Like I said, it's, it's mainly. At this point, uh, you know, it's mainly bear. I've, I've, I want to get Brent on here. Mm hmm. He's just so busy down there with that coon dog of his. Well, next week, we're, Brent and I are going on a, on a coon hunt. That has a little bit of a twist to it. That will be on the bear grease YouTube channel. Yeah, nice. No, that's, that's the teaser. Is it just a twist? You can't give us anything else, Bear?

• 1:00:18Speaker 05

  Typical coon hunt. I'll put it like that. Gotta stay tuned, Yanni. Hmm. That's, that's the showbiz. I guess so. Um. Clay, are you, are you able to share anything about your, uh? Your little writing project there? Yeah, man. I know you just had a big deadline, so I want to congratulate you. Thank you so much. Yeah. Two weeks ago, February 7th. About roughly two weeks ago, we turned in the manuscript for my.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  Black bear book. It's currently titled American Bear. Going to come out spring of 27. Uh, Randall, you'll appreciate this. It was a hundred and 5,000 words. The manuscript was. That'll do it. And, um. And just. Never been more excited for anything that I've done in terms of career and. Everything. I just feel like it's kind of a, for me. It's just a defining piece of work and regardless of if anybody ever even reads it, I'm it will be excited that it's in existence. And so, spring of 27. Yeah. It's timelines on these, you know, book projects are just ridiculous. Mm hmm.

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  Uh, but, uh, it, it is what it is. So. I think. Next. I think you were trying to sell that book back when you and I were bear hunting on Prince of Wales, three years ago, maybe. Yeah, we got the contract two and a half years ago. Well, it'd be three years in August. Yeah. And so, we've been working on it to for two and a half years. And the last year was kind of a fever pace of, of work. Mm hmm. And, uh, it's been submitted to the, to the publisher and, and there's more work to be done once they get their hands on it and look at it, but the, but the bulk of the work is done. Yeah, you're done. You're done pouring your soul into it and bleeding for it.

• 1:02:21Speaker 05

  That's right. There, there's never, nobody's ever written a bear book like this. I mean, I'm not saying that it's, uh, um, there's just, there, there's, there's academic people that understand the history of wildlife trade and all this. There's people that understand biology. There's people that understand, um, um, Native American culture and ceremonialism around animals. And then there's hunters that have like real life experience with bears. And, and there's, there would be books and, and information in all of those sectors.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  But this is kind of a combination of all these things. Are there any pictures in this book, Clay? I hope so. It's, you know, you know. Oh, is that still up for debate? Yeah. Big time. That's up to a higher power. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  I'd hope there's pictures, but it's it if it is, it would be minimal. You know, that's just kind of the way. Books work. I I don't, you know, it's like books are big into words I hear.

• 1:03:35Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:03:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, lots of words.

• 1:03:36Speaker 06

  Makes sense.

• 1:03:37Speaker 07

  I just, you know, for for me, little pictures go a long way, you know, when I flip through and I see a couple of pictures that, you know, I I get I get engaged.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  I get it.

• 1:03:46Speaker 07

  Um, give us a little tidbit. I mean, you've you've shared a lot of little tidbits with us. About like what you learned about black bears that you didn't know before starting on this project. What's something cool you learned about bears? You didn't know a year ago.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  That's a good question. Um. It's it's so so big. I mean, you know. The bear grease oil trade as Randall is just in a national expert on. On the deer hide trade and the. The Buffalo market hunting and all that stuff. You know, there there's a whole giant story about bear grease and bear market hunting. And um. And we tell that story, though that's not the entire book. And, you know, basically, the Mississippi River in between the Appalachian Mountains and the Great Plains. Would have just been a bear grease highway, especially. In the latter half of the seventeen hundreds.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  And into the early eighteen hundreds, just a ton of bear grease coming down. Coming down that river and Native Americans heavily involved in in the bear grease oil trade.

• 1:04:57Speaker 07

  What were people, what were people doing with bear grease back then?

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  Well, there was a period of time when animal fat oils were essential to human life. I mean, they were cooking with it. They were frying with it. They were. They were using it as dressings for salads. That's what a lot of first contact Europeans saw. Um. Native Americans doing in the east was using it on greens.

• 1:05:24Speaker 07

  You're kidding.

• 1:05:26Speaker 04

  No, they they they saw the first account. Of the word bear grease in the historical literature was July 5th, 1540, Hernando de Soto's scribe named Elva. He said he was he was in what is now Eastern Tennessee.

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  And they came upon a tribe and they said they noted that they stored large quantities of what they called bear grease in gourds. And they said that the Native Americans anointed themselves with it daily. And they were like using like copious amounts of bear oil on their skin. And that's what Native Americans were doing. The bear oil market trade, they were they were using it for food, but they were also using it for fuel. The first streetlights ever in the world were in New Orleans. Okay, so just think of the world as being run by firelight, basically. No, no artificial lights, no electricity.

• 1:06:27Speaker 05

  And New Orleans was such a rough town that these rich neighborhoods said, man, we got to have some lights at night on the street. So these criminals can't just run around. And so they put oil burning lamps hung out on a little post. And and they were using pelican oil, bear grease and whale oil in in in those. And it it may not have been the first in the world, the first in in North America. The first streetlights in America burned some bear oil. And um, you know, they were using it for making soap candles, you know, candles were essential for for light. I mean, it's like a light bulb.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  I mean, like, everybody had them, everybody used them, everybody ran through them and needed more. And, uh, you know, you mix.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  You know, you we make you can make a candle today or soap by, you know, using oil, animal fat oil as the as the beginning of it, you know, or as the foundation of it. So those were the things that they were doing.

• 1:07:35Speaker 07

  That right there is the reason I'd come to what I come to bear grease for. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Thank you, Clay. Yeah, that was great.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  Well, guys, lots of exciting stuff on on your end of things. Uh, I think we've kept you a little too long. It's it's noon now where we are. Uh, Bear, can you hit them again with with the YouTube channel and the Instagram and and where they can find all your uh, all your adventures? Yeah, it's the Bear Grease YouTube channel and Real Bear Grease. On Instagram and we've got weekly videos every Wednesday on the YouTube channel. Awesome guys. Well, you guys are a a couple of, uh, we're, we're lucky to know you guys, uh, cause you have a lot of unique adventures and perspectives on things.

• 1:08:20Speaker 05

  Clay excited for the book bear excited for the, uh, the YouTube action. I'll be particularly excited to figure out what's so wild about this raccoon hunt. Mr. Reeves and, uh, good to see you guys as always.

• 1:08:32Speaker 07

  Twisty boys. It's twisty.

• 1:08:35Speaker 06

  I'm assuming it's, uh, coon hunting naked.

• 1:08:39Speaker 05

  All right. We'll have to see.

• 1:08:41Speaker 06

  Tune in.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  Tune in.

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  Take care. Oh, I think just made Clay, what's left of Clay's hair stand straight up on end with that.

• 1:08:53Speaker 05

  Alrighty, before we, before we get back to listener feedback, we do have a couple of exciting announcements. One is that, uh, Meat Eater Movie Club will be returning on next week's episode. And we'll be reviewing by popular demand, Legacy of a Whitetail Deer Hunter.

• 1:09:08Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  Uh, it's available on Netflix and, uh, it's a movie I've held off on watching. Until we were able to tackle it on radio live.

• 1:09:18Speaker 07

  Is that the one with Brolin?

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:09:19Speaker 07

  Okay. Yeah.

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  And, uh,

• 1:09:21Speaker 06

  It's an interesting film.

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Speaker 07

  That's a good way to describe it.

• 1:09:26Speaker 05

  Well, I hope I haven't, I hope I haven't steered us wrong. It was one of the most highly requested films, uh, in the radio live inbox.

• 1:09:33Speaker 07

  Well, I, I, that is because everybody is awaiting how you will tackle it, how you will dissect it. And I'm, I'm very, I'll re-watch it just to hear what you have to say about it because yeah, it, you're going to have to think about it.

• 1:09:46Speaker 05

  I'm coming into it with a blank slate.

• 1:09:48Speaker 06

  Have you watched it yet?

• 1:09:49Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 1:09:49Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 1:09:50Speaker 05

  Nope. Maybe this was a big mistake and we'll just pivot to deliverance.

• 1:09:55Speaker 07

  No, no, no.

• 1:09:56Speaker 06

  Because if I'm, unless I'm mistaken, it's the same crew that, that was behind, um, Eastbound and Down.

• 1:10:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Speaker 06

  And the Righteous Gemstones and Foot Fist Way.

• 1:10:06Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:07Speaker 06

  Um, so if you like Danny McBride and that sensibility.

• 1:10:10Speaker 05

  Which I do very much.

• 1:10:11Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:10:12Speaker 05

  Um, another note on, uh, on radio live here, uh, the week after that.

• 1:10:19Speaker 05

  We will be doing the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Live Extravaganza. It's going to be very, I don't want to give too much away, it's gonna be very long, so just schedule your day accordingly.

• 1:10:32Speaker 06

  It's going to be a unique episode.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  If you have a doctor's appointment, say, two or three hours after we start, as long as it's not an urgent condition.

• 1:10:42Speaker 06

  Well, I'd say even then, still weigh the pros and cons.

• 1:10:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, just depends on how much you enjoy Radio Live. There will be another announcement for Movie Club, so stay tuned on that, because we will have one final Movie Club, and boy, it's, I'm salivating. I'm real excited for the old Radio Live Grand Finale Live Extravaganza. So, we're looking forward to spending a whole bunch of time with you guys.

• 1:11:09Speaker 07

  You should post on the, on the Instagram, a picture of your whiteboard right now.

• 1:11:14Speaker 05

  Done, did it already.

• 1:11:16Speaker 07

  You already did that, okay.

• 1:11:17Speaker 05

  Yep, right before the show this morning.

• 1:11:19Speaker 06

  See, Randall's Instagram stories. Yeah, check it out for some teases of what to expect.

• 1:11:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's all censored. It's all censored.

• 1:11:25Speaker 06

  It's mostly redacted.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Speaker 07

  Which, just like, it's a popular thing these days.

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  Political, but, yeah. And then, and then Yanis, why don't you tell us a little bit more about what folks can expect with your bear hunt and the future?

• 1:11:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  The YouTube.

• 1:11:43Speaker 07

  So, on Meat Eater YouTube this year, 2026, we've got a, I don't know if you call it a project, or just, it's, it's really just a different way of approaching our, our publishing of, of the, our sort of finest, more interesting adventures from the last year that were planned to be and turned out to be good for a longer-form adventure, a longer-form episode, so they're gonna be an hour long. And we basically picked 12 of the best from the last year and we're gonna air them roughly one a month for the rest of the of the year in 2026. The first one that airs Tuesday is gonna be

• 1:12:28Speaker 07

  my Manitoba Bear Hunt. I think that my Caribou Adventure Manitoba is also gonna be one of them. Mark's working on a wolf documentary that's gonna be one of these episodes. Cal had a grizzly bear episode.

• 1:12:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you've been following along with the crew over the past year, you might be able to guess

• 1:12:52Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Speaker 05

  sort of what turned into these long form pieces that are called 12 and 26.

• 1:12:57Speaker 07

  12 and 26. Yeah, that's

• 1:12:58Speaker 05

  That's the naming convention here.

• 1:13:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, so

• 1:13:01Speaker 06

  I would show the slick little graphic, but I don't know if I'm allowed to yet.

• 1:13:04Speaker 07

  Oh, do it, do it, do it.

• 1:13:05Speaker 06

  Well, I don't even know where to find it.

• 1:13:06Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:13:07Speaker 06

  It might be in my email somewhere.

• 1:13:08Speaker 05

  But yeah, it's kicking off next week. Everybody here is super excited.

• 1:13:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:13:11Speaker 05

  Been a lot of work on our production team and and the editors and all that stuff to do these longer form pieces, but that's what.

• 1:13:18Speaker 07

  This is a great time to request this. I don't know if we'll do this for every episode, but we're gonna try it for the this upcoming bear episode. And this, these are the right people to ask because they're so good at, you know, being part of the live audience here. But put in comments and ask questions about the episode in the comment section on the YouTube channel underneath the video. And then we're gonna aggregate our favorites. And then a week after releases, we're gonna record, I think it's gonna be Corey Colkins and I, he's gonna ask the questions, I'm gonna answer them, and we're gonna record a video of me answering all of your questions regarding the bear hunt.

• 1:13:57Speaker 05

  Love it.

• 1:13:57Speaker 07

  And then I post that on YouTube.

• 1:14:00Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 1:14:01Speaker 07

  Please do that, that'll

• 1:14:02Speaker 06

  It's a little blurry because I had to take a screenshot, but I think it's slick.

• 1:14:05Speaker 05

  Oh, man, that's tough.

• 1:14:06Speaker 07

  Fine work by Phil.

• 1:14:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, fine.

• 1:14:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, Phil, this is really good.

• 1:14:11Speaker 06

  I'm sure this is the way that the company would like everyone to see this.

• 1:14:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, Hunter Spencer. What I was referring to was how quickly you brought this up.

• 1:14:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:14:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, that was pretty fast, right?

• 1:14:20Speaker 06

  Not the quality.

• 1:14:21Speaker 07

  Hunter Spencer is going, man, if you would have just asked me ahead of time.

• 1:14:24Speaker 06

  But it's live.

• 1:14:25Speaker 07

  No, no.

• 1:14:26Speaker 05

  It reminds me of when I'm really tired and everything just starts looking a little blurry.

• 1:14:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, is that because you're tired or?

• 1:14:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:34Speaker 06

  Or over served?

• 1:14:35Speaker 05

  Or over served, yeah.

• 1:14:36Speaker 06

  By myself. Um, yep, 12 and 26.

• 1:14:40Speaker 05

  That's super exciting. I am, uh, I'm pumped to see all these because it's been a lot of cool. You guys obviously did a lot of cool stuff last year and.

• 1:14:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, everybody's always asking for longer.

• 1:14:51Speaker 05

  20 minutes?

• 1:14:51Speaker 06

  Form stuff.

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, 20 minutes is hard to capture the ups and downs of a, like a real adventure hunt.

• 1:14:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, an hour you can really let it breathe.

• 1:15:01Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:15:02Speaker 06

  Which is nice. I prefer that, that length.

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  I do too. I do too. Phil, what about you?

• 1:15:09Speaker 06

  Uh, I, I, I agree. Yeah.

• 1:15:11Speaker 07

  Phil doesn't consume hunting media.

• 1:15:13Speaker 06

  That's all I watch. What are you talking about? Ever since I started working here.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:17Speaker 06

  Dropped all my other interests. He makes it. Picked up a rifle.

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  He doesn't consume it. 12 and 26. Keep your eyes peeled next week for that bear video. Again, Legacy of a Whitetail Deer Hunter on Netflix, Meat Eater Movie Club next week. Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale Live Extravaganza, two weeks from today. And, uh, Phil, what do we have for comments in the chat here?

• 1:15:42Speaker 06

  We've got a few more. Um, people get some more questions in.

• 1:15:46Speaker 05

  My tummy is rumbling, so.

• 1:15:48Speaker 06

  Well, we can just stop the show.

• 1:15:49Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:15:50Speaker 06

  Chase Armstrong is wondering what the, uh, what the excitement level is for paddlefish fishing this spring.

• 1:15:56Speaker 05

  Hmm. You know, I forgot, I think I forgot to put in for the tags. I don't have one this year.

• 1:16:02Speaker 06

  I didn't either.

• 1:16:02Speaker 05

  I forgot to put in for the tag. I hear really good things. Uh, I, I would love to try it at some point.

• 1:16:10Speaker 06

  Um, we should put in next year and try to make a.

• 1:16:13Speaker 05

  I'm not going to go up and do snag and release. Oh, yeah, yeah. As much fun as that could be. I want to kill tag.

• 1:16:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I've, I've gotten the snag and release tag before and just didn't have the, the heart. I hope you have a paddlefish, uh, tag this spring. Chase Armstrong, 5406. Good luck to you.

• 1:16:32Speaker 06

  Flip Flop Flesher is from Chase. He asks, where do you keep getting the headgear? The vintage Iowa hat was sweet, but I think the camo red man hat is even better. Uh, I'm, my buddy made me the Iowa hat and I made the red man hat. So.

• 1:16:46Speaker 07

  You know, if you want cool stuff, sometimes you gotta make it yourself.

• 1:16:51Speaker 06

  Seth is chomping at the bit. Sorry, go, go ahead, Yanni.

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  Oh, I was gonna say now that patches on hats are cool. Everybody kind of wishes they hadn't thrown out all those patches that came through their lives in the last 20 years.

• 1:17:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, some cool patches out there.

• 1:17:06Speaker 06

  Kevin Foodie asks about the Buck Hunter video.

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  Oh, great question, Kevin.

• 1:17:10Speaker 06

  I'm about halfway done. If I get it in time for the Meat Eater Radio Live Grand Finale.

• 1:17:16Speaker 05

  Live.

• 1:17:16Speaker 06

  Live Extravaganza Live, we will air it there. If it's not quite done and not where I want it to be, because I, you know, I want to put a little bit of time.

• 1:17:23Speaker 05

  We might have a teaser at least.

• 1:17:25Speaker 06

  Oh, we will definitely have. We can put a little teaser up, but it will be in the month of March. I will make that very loose promise. It will be in the spring sometime, 100%.

• 1:17:37Speaker 05

  I, I showed a chunk of it to a friend last weekend and he said, I think this is the best thing that you've ever done.

• 1:17:48Speaker 06

  That's a, let's not set expectations that high, but it should be pretty good.

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  No, no, but then I said it was Phil that did it. It's not me. I'm just Phil's vessel.

• 1:17:58Speaker 06

  It's a good way to put it. Uh, let's go ahead. Okay. Everyone's mad at me because I'm not choosing this P, this Pennsylvania questions. Everyone keeps. By everyone, I mean mostly Seth Jones is asking, when are you guys coming to PA? Preferably East Coast PA.

• 1:18:14Speaker 06

  Or East PA.

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  When I draw one of those elk tags.

• 1:18:18Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 05

  I'll come to PA.

• 1:18:19Speaker 07

  That won't be Eastern PA, but.

• 1:18:21Speaker 05

  Don't have any PA trips scheduled, but, uh, we see you Seth Jones 1410.

• 1:18:26Speaker 07

  I mean, I'll be back for, you know, Christmas or Thanksgiving or something.

• 1:18:30Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:18:30Speaker 07

  See the fam, but not work related.

• 1:18:33Speaker 05

  To introduce the fam to that.

• 1:18:35Speaker 07

  The Baby Verge.

• 1:18:36Speaker 05

  Baby Verge.

• 1:18:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  Fascinating.

• 1:18:39Speaker 06

  Nate's asking about Media to Radio Live Extravaganza Finale Live merch, which we didn't even think about.

• 1:18:45Speaker 05

  Oh, shit.

• 1:18:46Speaker 06

  We're fools.

• 1:18:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, we could probably crank something out real quick.

• 1:18:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'll grab some construction paper. Patch hat. We could, we could make old school looking patches.

• 1:18:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, we should have like an "I was there" t-shirt.

• 1:18:59Speaker 06

  Oh, I watched it all. I watched it live. I didn't miss a segment. They could just say, "I watched it live."

• 1:19:03Speaker 05

  Maybe when we have a final, when we have a final runtime for the whole thing, we'll just print that on a t-shirt.

• 1:19:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, and we have no way of knowing if you actually watched it live and we would still take your money. So if you didn't watch it live and still want to buy the "I watched it live" merch, feel free. Stolen valor, but that's fine by me.

• 1:19:20Speaker 05

  The money's in merchandising.

• 1:19:22Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 1:19:22Speaker 05

  Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising.

• 1:19:24Speaker 06

  Let's call it a day, boys.

• 1:19:25Speaker 05

  Are you serious?

• 1:19:26Speaker 07

  There's nothing else in there, huh?

• 1:19:28Speaker 06

  It's gotta be. Okay, Randall's just saying he's hungry.

• 1:19:30Speaker 05

  Hit me with one good one, Phil. Ha! Quick!

• 1:19:32Speaker 06

  I get it.

• 1:19:34Speaker 05

  Ho!

• 1:19:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, what happened to Brent Reeves? We never got to Brent.

• 1:19:38Speaker 06

  He just came in and chatted up the audience and took off.

• 1:19:40Speaker 05

  Do we hear from Mogor at all today, Phil?

• 1:19:42Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Mogor asked several questions.

• 1:19:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, but did I get to see them? Oh, no, we did. Yeah, that's right. I remember Mogor's question. Now, I'm... Gosh, maybe I am.

• 1:19:51Speaker 06

  People want patches. Look at this.

• 1:19:52Speaker 05

  Maybe I'm dragging this on.

• 1:19:55Speaker 06

  Yeah. This is the content, right? It's you guys just watching the live chat feed in silence.

• 1:20:00Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:20:03Speaker 07

  Thanks for doing this for us, Phil.

• 1:20:05Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:20:05Speaker 07

  Time to sign off, Randall.

• 1:20:06Speaker 06

  Thanks for watching, folks. I tried to give you guys a clean out and you just butchered it.

• 1:20:10Speaker 05

  In the first, in the first time in Media to Radio Live's history, one of the co-hosts has told the host to end it. So we'll leave you there. Thank you. Good luck. We love you. Good night.

• 1:20:23Speaker 06

  I'm not gonna forget the outro this time. Thank you.

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