Pod Insights The MeatEater Podcast Ep. 822: Public Lands and Weird Headlines | MeatEater Radio Live! About this episode Hosts Randall Williams, Brody Henderson, and Cory Calkins chat with Zach Lentsch and Chris Allen of the Protect Wyoming PAC about their new advocacy group, attempt to suss out Fake News, talk with Mark Kenyon about his new role as MeatEater's Director of Conservation and the latest news surrounding public lands, and cap off the show with another edition of Meat Poll.
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3:00 Speaker 03 Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time here in Bozeman, Montana. That's 11 a.m. for our friends in Great Falls, Montana. Ooh. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by my good friends, Cory Calkins, Brody Henderson.
3:17 Speaker 04 G'day.
3:17 Speaker 03 As always, Phil Taylor, Master of Ceremonies, is behind the board here. We've got a great show for you today. We're going to talk to two fellows who just started a brand new advocacy group for hunters and anglers in Wyoming. We'll play a little game called Fake News. We're going to chat with Meat Eater's brand spanking new Director of Conservation, Mark Kenyon. We've got another addition of the Meat Pole. Glad to have you with us. Thanks for joining. Brody, Corey, we were just chatting before the show that we don't have a lot to talk about. I suggested Corey talk about his son's broken arm, and he seemed reluctant to do so, so I'm just going to put it out there.
3:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, Brody, you been doing anything fun out there?
3:58 Speaker 00 You're not worried about social services checking in, are you?
4:01 Speaker 04 Oh, no.
4:04 Speaker 03 Who hasn't jumped off of a swing too far?
4:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, Marshall fell off a swing.
4:08 Speaker 03 That's like a classic childhood milestone.
4:11 Speaker 04 Oh, no doubt. Swings or monkey bars or, you know, just getting in a fistfight with another kid.
4:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:17 Speaker 04 Pretty, yeah. The Calkins family is on a roll of getting injured this winter.
4:20 Speaker 03 I was going to say the Calkins men.
4:22 Speaker 04 Go hard. We do. We'd go hard in the paint, whether we're trying to knock frisbees out of trees or jumping on a swing.
4:28 Speaker 00 Was it like a very um showy breaking of the arm? Like, did he launch himself off the swing?
4:35 Speaker 04 No, I guess he was having a like long distance jumping contest. Sure. And then nothing happened there. I don't know who won. Probably not him. He's got, he's pretty short. And then he just jumped back on and then I think he fell on his face and his wrist broke his fall. So minor fracture. He'll be fine.
4:51 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. He'll be all right. No, I got nothing, Randall. I'm just looking at Wyoming draw odds for mule deer.
4:57 Speaker 04 Ooh.
4:58 Speaker 03 Um, not getting out on the ice?
5:00 Speaker 00 What ice?
5:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:01 Speaker 00 Um, yeah, I got, I got a pile of points, but my pile isn't quite big enough.
5:06 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
5:07 Speaker 00 Like, I'm a couple behind max points, which is a bad place to be in Wyoming.
5:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm in the same position with uh elk and antelope in Wyoming. So just need to light those things on fire at some point.
5:19 Speaker 00 Yep.
5:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm in the debacle, at least here in Montana, with plenty of points to draw some pretty awesome tags, but I kinda wanna just keep accumulating too, you know?
5:31 Speaker 03 The odds are only gonna get worse.
5:32 Speaker 04 Try, I, I continue to try for some of the harder tags.
5:35 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:35 Speaker 04 I'm like, man, at some point, do I just burn it? Life's short.
5:37 Speaker 03 I mean, we, a couple of months from now, we could be sitting in this very room.
5:41 Speaker 00 We could be like, yeah.
5:42 Speaker 03 Talking about how sweet our tags are.
5:44 Speaker 00 Yep.
5:45 Speaker 03 Uh, I did get out, I guess, two weeks ago with Cal for a very last minute uh waterfowl excursion. So I've just been eating ducks.
5:54 Speaker 00 Oh, good for you.
5:55 Speaker 03 A lot of ducks. And I just, there's a recipe in the uh Wild and Hole Cookbook. Where you just serum real quick and there's like an orange, squeeze some oranges, throw some bourbon in the pan and drizzle that over and.
6:10 Speaker 00 You weren't there for the uh little uh waterfowl extravaganza we did the other day, were you?
6:17 Speaker 03 No, but I got the leftover ducks.
6:20 Speaker 00 Oh, you did?
6:21 Speaker 03 There are a couple.
6:22 Speaker 00 You got the leftover good ducks.
6:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, I got a, a couple pintails, I think. There was a baggie full of uh breasts and thighs in the, in the fridge and I grabbed it on a Friday afternoon. We ate those ducks too, so.
6:35 Speaker 00 People should keep an eye out for the next one, man. It's gonna, next little Steve experiment. Um, we eat mergansers.
6:43 Speaker 04 Did he break out the lab coat again?
6:45 Speaker 00 No lab coat.
6:46 Speaker 04 Mmm.
6:47 Speaker 03 Hopefully, his, his uh scientific method is.
6:51 Speaker 03 Better than it was in the ribeye in the sky.
6:53 Speaker 00 Yeah.
6:54 Speaker 03 Taste test because we've received a lot of feedback about the gross failures of our.
6:58 Speaker 00 There wasn't much science involved in this one. It was just like, uh, just seeing what they taste like.
7:03 Speaker 05 Mmm, taste test.
7:06 Speaker 03 Well, with nothing to add to that, Corey, other than you're broke. Oh, Phil.
7:11 Speaker 05 Huh?
7:12 Speaker 03 Hey, that's a great idea. Phil, how have you been?
7:13 Speaker 05 Oh, oh, fine. I wasn't expecting this, Randall, a little caught off guard here, but um, yeah, I've been doing well. Nothing really new to report. I've got a pre vasectomy appointment today. Aye, dude, this is huge. Whoa. And I was gonna ask Mark about, I think Mark's been public about his vasectomy woes.
7:30 Speaker 03 I can see him, I can see him cringing in the little box below our main feed here.
7:35 Speaker 05 Maybe we can talk about that with our new director of conservation.
7:37 Speaker 03 Boy, let me, I, you said you didn't have much going on. You got it all going on.
7:44 Speaker 05 It's all, it's all happening, baby.
7:45 Speaker 03 That's fun. I just made a note here. Phil's vasectomy.
7:48 Speaker 00 You know, Phil, I had some buddies that all, they, I think this was a, I don't know if it's still a thing, but it's, it was a thing where dudes would like schedule their vasectomies, like a, a circle of friends, like all at the same time. And then they had to have like a little post vasectomy, you know, gathering, celebration.
8:08 Speaker 05 Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't, should I?
8:09 Speaker 00 So you might wanna see if anyone else in the office is, you know.
8:12 Speaker 05 I'll do it. Randall? Yeah, sure. Sweet, let's do it. Yeah. Find any excuse to throw a party.
8:18 Speaker 03 We can get some good time in on the, uh, switches.
8:21 Speaker 05 I mean, that's gonna happen regardless.
8:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
8:24 Speaker 03 Well, on that note, joining us first today are Zach Lynch and Chris Allen, the founders of a new advocacy group, Protect Wyoming PAC. Zach, Chris, welcome to the show.
8:38 Speaker 06 Thanks, guys. Thanks for having us.
8:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:40 Speaker 05 Thank you.
8:41 Speaker 03 Now, before we get into the, the details of your new group, can you just introduce ourselves, introduce yourselves to the audience and just tell us where you're coming from and what you guys do?
8:52 Speaker 07 Yeah, my name is Zach Lynch. I live in Cody. I work as a mountain guide. I own a guiding business.
9:02 Speaker 07 And I grew up in Wyoming.
9:05 Speaker 07 Hunted and fished for as long as I can remember. And just a point of clarification, we are not an advocacy group. We are a political action committee.
9:13 Speaker 03 Yep.
9:14 Speaker 07 We're doing very different things. We're getting involved in elections and educating voters.
9:20 Speaker 07 But yeah, I got really inspired to get involved in Wyoming state politics. Last year when we had a lot of anti-public lands and anti-public wildlife legislation introduced in session. And Protect Wyoming is the result of that.
9:39 Speaker 07 That desire to get involved.
9:42 Speaker 03 Yeah. And how did you you connect with Chris here?
9:45 Speaker 07 So we, I think we're both coming from a place of, you know, not being involved in politics ever before in our, in our lives and talking to other hunters and outdoors people in Wyoming that knew more about the political process than than we did. And we were able to connect through mutual friends.
10:07 Speaker 03 Gotcha. And Chris, you're coming to us from further east then.
10:12 Speaker 06 Yeah, I'm on the kind of the north central part of the state in Claremont, Wyoming, just about an hour. So north, south of the Montana border. So a little different landscape than Zach's in more prairie country. Ranch country out here and Zach and I just hold similar, similar values on public land and public wildlife.
10:37 Speaker 03 Yeah. So can you, you mentioned, Zach, you mentioned that this is a political action committee, Protect Wyoming PAC. And you mentioned sort of that last year's legislative session was influential in you guys getting this thing off the ground. Can you tell us a little bit about how you came to decide on being a PAC rather than a, you know, a 501(c)(3) and can you tell us like, what are your core issues?
11:07 Speaker 07 Yeah, great questions. Um, you know, answer your first, why a PAC as opposed to another advocacy organization? Well, there are a lot of great advocacy organizations um for public lands and wildlife in Wyoming. Um, and I think it was eye opening last year to see um how a lot of the advocacy advocacy seemed to fall flat um with a number of legislators. Um, you know, I went to public town halls where, you know, cosponsors of, for instance, Senate Resolution Two, which would have transferred all federal public lands to the state in Wyoming, um,
11:51 Speaker 07 with the intent of selling them off. Uh, I mean, the public was in up in arms about this. Um, and, you know, I I remember clearly in Cody, one town hall where one of the cosponsors of that bill said he didn't care that he was going to introduce the legislation again, um, if he had the opportunity, and he didn't care what the constituents thought. And so, it was in that moment, really, that my eyes opened that we need to get involved in the on the election side of things if our legislators aren't going to represent our interests when we when we talk to them. Um, so Political Action Committee is really an organization
12:31 Speaker 07 that's meant to inform the voting public. So it's coming from us Wyomingites, um, no special interest, just, you know, outdoors people that want to protect our public lands. And then we want to talk to voters before the election to say, hey, this is what this person has voted for in the past. This is what they say that their stance on this issue is, and we think you should know that before you go to the ballot box.
13:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, because a lot of your traditional, you know, 501(c)(3) groups, they can talk about what issues are important in an election, and they can ask you to sort of vote on behalf of conservation, but they can't get involved in saying, "This candidate did this. This candidate is a better choice if you care about public lands." That's correct, right?
13:21 Speaker 07 Correct, yeah. And we're not, just to clarify, we're not coordinating with any party
13:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:29 Speaker 07 or, you know, any candidate or their campaign, which is really important for us. You know, we're nonpartisan, and we just want people to be aware of our core issues, which are, one, public lands in public hands, no questions about that.
13:48 Speaker 07 Two, public wildlife. We're really opposed to transferable landowner tags, or any privatization of wildlife in Wyoming. And, three, scientific management of wildlife. Politicians should not be in charge of wildlife populations. Biologists should be.
14:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, can you talk a little bit about the landowner tag issue? I know there was a proposal, or there is a proposal. I haven't really kept up on it, but this is an issue that pops up every now and then in different states, and I wonder if you can talk about what the status is in Wyoming?
14:23 Speaker 07 Yeah, the first attempt was about 10 years ago to make
14:29 Speaker 07 landowner tags transferable. So, as it is in Wyoming now,
14:35 Speaker 07 you know, if you're a landowner, you have more than 160 acres, and you can, you know, prove that you have a lot of wildlife on your land, then you can get a few, an appropriate amount of landowner tags, but you cannot sell those to anyone.
14:53 Speaker 07 There are a lot of opportunities for landowners to make money from hunting indirectly, namely trespass leases, you know, and they can control access for hunters and they can get damage from wildlife, hurting their crops. But again, no tag is transferable. But we've seen legislation 10 years ago and then more recently this last year that would allow landowners to sell those tags off.
15:20 Speaker 00 Can I jump in and ask you a question?
15:22 Speaker 07 Totally.
15:23 Speaker 00 Um, tho- the, those landowner tags, would they be good only on that landowner's land? Or are they good like unit wide? Like they, someone could buy them and then go hunt on public land or wherever with them?
15:39 Speaker 07 It's, it's for the area. Now, you know, the state of Wyoming gave a fish department has issued, um, tags for specific properties, essentially where there's like an, let's say, an alfalfa field in the middle of the Big Horn Basin and there's, you know, 400 head of, you know, pronghorn there. They, they've issued special tags for damage mitigation, but generally, this is not to do with damage. This is people being able to sell elk licenses for $10,000 or $20,000, whatever. And it completely circumvents the draw system. It
16:21 Speaker 07 doesn't put money in, in, in the state system at all. It just, you know, lines the pockets of, of large landowners who want to sell off all their tags. And we've already seen so much landowner captures. For instance, I hunted a pronghorn area in northern Wyoming this fall in all, because we're, we've had a lot of issues with blue tongue, um, you know, we see reduced pronghorn numbers. All the type one tags in that, all the rifle tags in that area are, are go to landowners already. I had to get a type zero muzzleloader tag in order to have a chance to hunt a male, uh, pronghorn.
16:57 Speaker 00 Yeah. So when the tag numbers get shrunk, that, that pool of landowner tags doesn't shrink in proportion. It just eats up more of the pie.
17:06 Speaker 07 Correct.
17:07 Speaker 03 Gotcha.
17:08 Speaker 07 But, I mean, there's already, you know, that landowner capture of tags is another issue in the current system, which is not perfect, but what we're taking a political stance on is that these tags should not be transferable. And we think it goes across against state law, which says that wildlife is in the possession of the people of Wyoming, not individual property.
17:31 Speaker 06 There's actually a Title 23 in law in Wyoming right now that says there shouldn't be private ownership of wildlife. So in essence, that's already in law. I just think there's things happening on the state level that there's a certain subgroup of people that want to privatize it for profit. So.
17:55 Speaker 03 Gotcha. And this is a, this is a PAC that you said it's nonpartisan, it's going to be grassroots funded. There's obviously a lot of money in politics. What's your strategy for making an impact with grassroots funding and what I assume would be maybe more limited resources than some of the bigger stakeholders out there?
18:18 Speaker 07 Yeah, I mean, we have to be really strategic in how we spend money that we raise. So we don't know which candidates are running until the May filing deadline. So we'll, at that point, you know, see what kind of war chests we have and see what races we can really make an impact in. But generally statewide races aren't as expensive as federal ones. And so with grassroots funding, we can still make a sizable impact and focus on key legislative races and hopefully raise enough money to get involved in the governor's race because the governor is going to be, it's going to be a very competitive race this year, we believe. Again, we don't know who all is running, but the governor has a lot of say about.
19:04 Speaker 07 You know, public lands and wildlife policy in Wyoming.
19:07 Speaker 03 Gotcha. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna detour here from the questions that I'd shared with you and ask you this. Um, you both mentioned that this is your first sort of foray into politics. If there are people listening to this that don't like what's going on in their state, they're frustrated by what they see in their state legislature. Have you learned anything or have your eyes been open to, to the reality of getting involved in something like this? Like what advice would you give for people that, that are in the position that you were, you know, last, last legislative session?
19:41 Speaker 07 I mean, it's eye opening to see the disconnect between um, what I, you know, would argue like most people value in Wyoming. Like regardless where you are on the political spectrum, most people highly value public lands and public wildlife. And to see now, you know, paying closer attention to what's happening in legislatures, there's so few sportsmen in the legislature. Right. And so few people hunt, fish, rock climb, whatever. You know, they, they do not value those activities because they do not do them. I mean, a lot of those people are not even from this state. They've moved here recently and have political ambitions.
20:23 Speaker 07 And so that's been really eye opening to me is to see like how we're not being represented well in Cheyenne by and large. Um, and I would encourage people to get involved in any way, right? Whether that's simply showing up to town hall, talking to your representatives. First and foremost, learning who your representatives are. A lot of people, when they think about politics, they think about politics at the federal level or maybe the governor's race, but they're not thinking about their local representatives. And, and those folks in Cheyenne or Helena or whatever often have a greater impact on your ability to hunt fish and recreate than, than, you know, President of the United States does. So, um, educate yourself about what's going on at the state level, um, at the local level.
21:09 Speaker 07 And then see, you know, we all have, we're working people. So we, we have limited time and resources and see where, you know, uh, you can make an impact. And we would argue that, you know, supporting, um, you know, a PAC is, is. Has a direct impact because we can get involved in election and and we can show you where we're spending your money and um you know, hopefully elect some people who are going to stand up for our land and wildlife.
21:35 Speaker 03 Gotcha. Well, uh.
21:36 Speaker 06 Yeah, Randall, I I'd probably piggyback off Zach there just uh real quick on the website front. We got a great website, but it's a um I think we need to, I I think it's easy to get to the ballot box and see those big names and pick the big name, uh the big names on the ballot, but I think it's uh some of these local races have kind of been put on the back burner because you don't know who it is or what they're about. So with our PAC and our website, we really want to showcase who, you know, who supports and who opposes public lands. So.
22:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, education is huge. Um you mentioned the website. Is that the best place for people to go if they want to learn more about Protect Wyoming PAC?
22:24 Speaker 06 I would say yes. And then um we do have a newsletter coming out that uh people, if they want to connect with us, they can connect to the website and then get linked up with the newsletter about what's going on and just stay factual on what's what's happening with the legislature.
22:40 Speaker 03 Well, Chris, Zach, we really appreciate you guys joining us and we appreciate what you're doing for for hunters and anglers in Wyoming and and setting up an example for folks across the country who want to get involved. Thank you.
22:53 Speaker 06 I thank you, guys.
22:54 Speaker 07 Appreciate it.
22:55 Speaker 03 Yep.
22:58 Speaker 03 We got to get some more uh, I mean, I'm always like inspired when I see people just deciding to do something.
23:06 Speaker 00 Go out and try and kick some ass.
23:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, whatever, you know, whatever your commitments are here, there, like to to actually get off your ass and and do something. That's that's commendable. I hope that they uh see some success there.
23:18 Speaker 00 Yep.
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25:20 Steven Rinella? Learn more about how they do it at conservationfund.org. Our next segment is Fake News.
25:44 Speaker 05 You can do anything you set your minds to, guys. Except like teleport or fly.
25:49 Speaker 00 My two boys would be deeply upset by what you just did to that song.
25:54 Speaker 04 Oh, no.
25:54 Speaker 05 Oh, is that, is that one of the favorites in the house right now?
25:57 Speaker 04 It is.
25:57 Speaker 03 It is amazing what a, what a cultural touch point that is.
26:02 Speaker 00 Yep.
26:02 Speaker 03 I mean, Clay Newcomb knows the words to that.
26:04 Speaker 05 Yeah. Yeah, my, my oldest went through a, went through a phase with that song a couple of years ago, too.
26:09 Speaker 03 Clay Newcomb was reciting the words to that, uh, on the live tour before his Al Hooten contest.
26:16 Speaker 05 Really? That surprises me.
26:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, Mom's spaghetti and everything.
26:20 Speaker 04 No way.
26:21 Speaker 05 I'd say, I'd say in the grand scheme of the hip hop landscape, that is like pretty clean for, for
26:26 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
26:27 Speaker 05 Clay's Newcomb scale, so.
26:29 Speaker 03 I can just drop my chair a little bit.
26:31 Speaker 04 I know you're centered in there, bud.
26:34 Speaker 03 Alrighty, well, you know the rules here, uh, let me bring them up again so that I can read them to you. Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three imposters. Your job is to fix your, figure out which one is true.
26:49 Speaker 00 So this is two lies and one truth, not two truths and one lie.
26:53 Speaker 03 This is a multiple choice.
26:56 Speaker 00 Gotcha.
26:57 Speaker 05 Three, three lies and one.
26:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, we'll start, we'll go one at a time, one headline at a time here, so Phil, can you bring up the first headline?
27:05 Speaker 05 I'd love to.
27:07 Speaker 03 A three-legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way.
27:13 Speaker 00 Ooh.
27:14 Speaker 03 Is it a grizzly bear, a wolf, a lion, or a man in Tennessee?
27:20 Speaker 04 Well, now, there's three-legged bears, wolves, and lions all over the place.
27:24 Speaker 03 But have they learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way?
27:27 Speaker 00 Before we answer this.
27:29 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, it is.
27:29 Speaker 00 Five years ago, was it five? I shot a three-legged black bear in Colorado. That was huge.
27:37 Speaker 04 Hmm. I almost did two years ago, and then her little cub came out.
27:41 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
27:41 Speaker 04 Ooh. But I like Shanks, so I wasn't gonna.
27:44 Speaker 00 So that's gonna impact, that's gonna impact my, man.
27:48 Speaker 03 A three-legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way. Now, the conceit of this game is that unless you've seen this newspaper article, there's no way to make any sort of an educated guess here.
27:59 Speaker 05 True.
28:00 Speaker 04 I could see it, multiple three-legged folks coming in from Tennessee.
28:06 Speaker 04 Okay, okay. Got to really hammer down.
28:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:11 Speaker 04 Let's go. What kind of lion?
28:13 Speaker 03 African lion.
28:14 Speaker 04 Oh.
28:15 Speaker 00 Mufasa.
28:17 Speaker 04 Simba.
28:21 Speaker 03 You deliberately disobeyed me.
28:26 Speaker 03 Well, we've got our answers.
28:27 Speaker 04 Yep.
28:28 Speaker 03 Brody says C lion. Corey says B wolf.
28:32 Speaker 04 Let's go.
28:33 Speaker 03 We've got a correct answer in the room. The answer is C lion.
28:36 Speaker 04 Oh, come on.
28:37 Speaker 03 Per new scientist, Jacob, an 11-year-old lion in Queen Elizabeth National Park, Uganda, made headlines last year when he and his brother were filmed swimming 1.5 kilometers across a crocodile-filled river. The animal lost a leg in a poacher's snare, but has managed to adopt an ambush-style hunting strategy resembling that of leopards. Researchers who were puzzled by Jacob's continued survival made the discovery via drone footage.
29:03 Speaker 00 Did he lose a back leg or a front leg?
29:05 Speaker 03 Phil, pull up that picture.
29:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, I couldn't tell.
29:07 Speaker 00 Because that really impacts things.
29:09 Speaker 03 Back left leg.
29:11 Speaker 00 Yeah, I could see it working. I could see it working.
29:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, it was kind of interesting. They're saying that they don't see too many examples of animals adopting completely new strategies.
29:26 Speaker 00 Right.
29:26 Speaker 03 Like that their species doesn't otherwise demonstrate.
29:29 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
29:30 Speaker 03 And so, you know, it raises questions for them in terms of like behavioral adaptation.
29:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, the black bear I shot had lost his front left leg.
29:40 Speaker 03 Oh, wow. And that lion's also missing an eye. I tried to work that in, but then I just figured I'd add that.
29:47 Speaker 04 Man, cats are wicked smart.
29:49 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. Phil, can we have our second headline? So Brody's up 1-0. Jeez. Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans' treasures, including a 650-year-old blank, in these bird nests. Is it a sandal?
30:07 Speaker 00 Are they collecting these things from corpses?
30:11 Speaker 03 I don't know. Actually, that's an unanswerable question. I know, but it would be interesting. Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans treasures, including a 650 year old blank in these birds nests. Your choices are, is it a sandal? Is it an urn? Is it a pipe? Or is it a knife?
30:31 Speaker 04 You guys ever come across a vulture nest?
30:33 Speaker 03 Mm-mm.
30:34 Speaker 04 I came across one, I think it was in Illinois. And it was like on the side of a cliff. I could hear like a light screeching, caught my attention, so I looked in and there was a just bones and hair and poop everywhere. And there was one little, small baby vulture in there like bouncing up and down. It didn't look real.
30:52 Speaker 03 Bones and hair and poop everywhere. Hmm. Sounds like the mudroom when I leave my dogs there for a long day. Did you put your answer down yet Cory?
31:00 Speaker 04 No.
31:04 Speaker 03 I know what I want to put down, but.
31:07 Speaker 04 I can't, 650 year old sandal.
31:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, that would be an old sandal.
31:13 Speaker 03 But it'd also be an old urn. It's also not really a treasure. No.
31:18 Speaker 04 Ooh.
31:20 Speaker 03 Flip them over, boys. Hold on, I didn't answer yet. Brody's still thinking. He's, he's still thinking based on all of the available information.
31:29 Speaker 04 Not trivia.
31:30 Speaker 03 Brody, what's your answer here? My answer is a pipe. A pipe? And Cory says D, a knife. Whir, whir. The correct answer is a sandal. Oh, come on. That's not a treasure. Per Smithsonian magazine. Archaeologists in southern Spain recently recovered more than 200 human artifacts from historical bearded vulture nests in southern Spain. Uh, I rewrote that sentence and didn't delete southern Spain, so that's where that's, there's a redundancy. One of the most remarkable finds is a 650 year old sandal made from woven twigs and grasses. According to a study, study published last month in the journal Ecology. This is what, where it gets interesting.
32:10 Speaker 03 Bearded vultures have been extinct in southern Spain for 70 to 130 years, depending on the specific region. But while the birds have disappeared from the area, their well-preserved nests can still be found there, often tucked into protected hidden spaces in the mountains. I think it came off a corpse.
32:29 Speaker 03 That would be fun. That would be fun. Phil, can we get a third headline, please? Oh, we sure can.
32:37 Speaker 03 Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don't know why. Is it their offspring? Anacondas, tree branches, or discarded rope?
32:50 Speaker 04 This is a global fake news segment.
32:53 Speaker 03 Yeah. Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don't know why.
33:06 Speaker 03 Is it their offspring? Anacondas, tree branches, or discarded rope?
33:15 Speaker 04 I can easily get rid of two of those, so...
33:20 Speaker 04 Pretty fly for a white guy.
33:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was gonna say. Man, this background music really makes things tense, Phil. The most violent, the most violent mosh pit I ever participated in was at an offspring show.
33:31 Speaker 04 Really?
33:32 Speaker 03 Yeah. We had big pizzas that they're giving out for free and you'd throw them on the ground and it was like a big banana peel. So you just push like five people into it and it all flipped. Did you emerge from that whole thing bloodied? Uh, no, I was unscathed, but there were many good men we lost that day.
33:49 Speaker 03 You got an answer, Corey?
33:50 Speaker 04 Yeah, you know it.
33:50 Speaker 05 Do you know that the lead singer, Dexter Gordon, I think is his name, Dexter something? He's got like a doctorate in chemistry or something like that.
33:56 Speaker 03 Wow.
33:56 Speaker 05 He's an educated man.
33:57 Speaker 04 With a name like that, yeah, you better.
33:59 Speaker 03 That's the best thing we have on this show today. Corey's got an answer, Brody's got, Corey says A, their offspring, Brody says D, discarded rope.
34:09 Speaker 03 The correct answer is anacondas.
34:10 Speaker 04 Oh, come on. This is...
34:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know. It's hard to guess these when you don't have any information. Can't be very big anacondas.
34:18 Speaker 05 It's almost like it's a flawed game.
34:19 Speaker 03 This one comes from a website. Well, I think that's what's fun about it. It is fun. We're basically just rolling it, rolling a die and seeing who comes up with, so this one comes from, uh, uh, ZME Science. And I'm just gonna read a few sentences from their article because it's written in a very funny way.
34:39 Speaker 03 Imagine the excitement of biologists from the Noel Kemp Mercado Museum of Natural History during one seemingly uneventful day in August 2021.
34:49 Speaker 00 Really building it up.
34:50 Speaker 03 That day, they saw not one, but two Bolivian river dolphins with their heads above the river. But that was really nothing compared to what they noticed next. Taking out their cameras to snap some quick photos of this extraordinarily rare sighting, the researchers could now see that the two dolphins were holding an anaconda in their beaks, handling it like it was a plush toy. This was absolutely shocking to members of the teams. It's safe to say something like this had never been witnessed, or at least this is the first time it was documented. Bolivians' benny anacondas are apex predators, meaning no one messes with them. Apart from a single case of cannibalism, no one had ever seen Bolivian anacondas getting killed or eaten by any other wild animal.
35:34 Speaker 03 It happened once.
35:36 Speaker 00 How did they know that they killed it? They could have just floundered it floating dead.
35:41 Speaker 03 It was alive when they started.
35:43 Speaker 00 Well, still.
35:44 Speaker 03 They said they messed with it for like six to eight minutes, picking it up out of the water and then diving down, holding it in their beaks. And they just were like, their assumption is that they were playing with it.
35:57 Speaker 00 Yeah, but that's like, well, playing with stuff is like well documented behavior from dolphins. Like, I've seen dolphins mess with redfish and throw them back and forth. I've seen them kill tarpon just for fun and then leave them behind.
36:13 Speaker 03 But this is an apex predator, meaning no one messes with them in their ecosystem.
36:17 Speaker 00 Yeah.
36:18 Speaker 03 Well, Brody squeezed the fun out of that question.
36:20 Speaker 00 I just don't find it that remarkable.
36:23 Speaker 03 But he still wins the game by a score of one to nothing.
36:24 Speaker 00 Don't find it that remarkable, Randall.
36:27 Speaker 03 Congratulations, Brody. Well done, Brody. Um, let's see, Phil, how's the chat doing today? It's been a scintillating program so far.
36:38 Speaker 05 It sure has. The chat, not a lot of questions from the chat today, so get those in. Your chances are high.
36:44 Speaker 03 That could be bad because if they're not questions, that means there's comments. Scary.
36:48 Speaker 05 Oh, no, most, most people are.
36:50 Speaker 03 They're still talking about Phil's vasectomy.
36:52 Speaker 05 My vasectomy, they're asking Randall about beating off a mountain lion, which if you haven't listened to the last episode of the Meteor Podcast, check that out. But I want to shout out Brad Weber, who says, hey, thanks to you and the team or for the shout out to our bunny hunting group last week. It brought us great luck. 30 rabbits and a bonus raccoon.
37:08 Speaker 03 That's a good day.
37:09 Speaker 05 We are de- enjoying Hossen.
37:11 Speaker 03 I wish we got more of that. I wish we got like, hey, we're going to this. Good luck. And then a follow up. Yeah, that's great. Then we'd have a better sense of our ability to confer luck on the audience.
37:21 Speaker 05 We could just pivot the idea of the show completely. It could just kind of be like a.
37:24 Speaker 03 Phil, I've been rethinking the whole thing.
37:28 Speaker 03 From the ground up.
37:29 Speaker 05 We'll see how that pans out. Uh, Free Crank asks, Brody, did you see the Pennsylvania game commission wants to change hunting season in PA again? They want to possibly move the opening day of rifle to the week before Thanksgiving.
37:40 Speaker 00 You know, my dad just sent that to me this very morning and uh,
37:47 Speaker 00 I think it will be like, if they made that change, I think it'd be very unpopular to like have Thanksgiving in the middle of deer season. They changed, they, they recently changed opening day of rifle season from the Monday after Thanksgiving to the Saturday after Thanksgiving, which you would think would have been a popular move, but a lot of people hated it. So I think backing it up a week and sticking a national holiday in the middle of, of deer season would be unpopular. That's my thoughts.
38:19 Speaker 05 Thank you, Brody.
38:20 Speaker 00 Yeah.
38:21 Speaker 05 Uh, we had a comment from Valencore that was quickly followed up uh, from, by somebody else. He says, any hot tips or advice on the best way to prepare marmot? And then I don't remember who, but someone said, watch out for the plague. Cause apparently that's a, that's a real thing.
38:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm not endorsing this practice, but I would have to guess some sort of a slow cook.
38:37 Speaker 00 Listen.
38:38 Speaker 03 Fall off the bone marmot gloves.
38:40 Speaker 00 The traditional way is to uh, and we were gonna, you know, we were gonna try this for uh, the last cookbook we did, the outdoor cookbook. There are cultures that just like. Cook them inside their like With the hair on and everything? Yeah. Try that. But I shot a couple Mormon marmots. I did not shoot a couple Mormons, I promise. Um, I shot a couple marmots years ago in Colorado. And they were the hardest thing to skin I have ever tried to skin. Oh, yeah. Like covered in greasy fat. Like, you know how squirrels are hard to skin? Hmm. Hard to get that hide off. And, um, I will never eat another marmot again. But good luck to you. What if you tried dipping it in a bucket of water?
39:26 Speaker 00 Just like, put it in a crock pot for about thirty six hours and
39:30 Speaker 03 Maybe with like a buffalo wing.
39:32 Speaker 00 Yeah.
39:32 Speaker 03 Preparation.
39:34 Speaker 00 Lots of barbecue shells.
39:35 Speaker 03 Uh, admire, please keep us updated, Valancourt.
39:38 Speaker 00 Yeah.
39:39 Speaker 05 Uh, we got Christie Holmes in the chat saying, me and thirty six ladies are going smelting tomorrow in Maine. She was on One Minute Fishing last winter.
39:47 Speaker 00 Yeah.
39:48 Speaker 05 Wish us luck.
39:48 Speaker 00 Yeah. Good luck. Oh, fried smell is so good.
39:52 Speaker 03 That's a lot of ladies. I, I assume that's not a typo. Me and thirty, I don't think I've ever done anything.
39:59 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. It's a real social thing, like very social.
40:02 Speaker 03 Thirty six people, Brody.
40:04 Speaker 00 Well, we should go there and go smelting with these thirty six people. Really fun.
40:08 Speaker 03 Best of luck to you, Christie. Please keep us updated.
40:10 Speaker 05 Yeah. Uh, Mogor is in the chat. Hi, Randall. Will there be a movie review segment in the future? Chin scratching emoji. It's been a very long time since the last one. Thank you for your answer.
40:21 Speaker 00 It has.
40:21 Speaker 03 Mogor. I would love to do another movie review segment. To be honest, our schedule has been a bit, uh,
40:30 Speaker 03 there's been a lot of uncertainty around who's handling what around the holiday and we've had a sort of quickly, you know, I, long story short, we're a little behind eight ball. But I will get a movie review going here soon. And it's gonna, it's gonna blow everything else that I've done previously out of the water.
40:49 Speaker 00 You should allow the chat to choose the movie you review.
40:53 Speaker 03 Uh,
40:54 Speaker 05 We get a lot of recommendations.
40:55 Speaker 03 I have a question for the chat.
40:58 Speaker 03 Would, uh, do you think Congo, the movie Congo?
41:01 Speaker 00 Oh.
41:02 Speaker 03 Is a good meat eater movie club movie? It's not really hunting, but they're animals and some of them do die. Most, actually, if you haven't seen the movie, they all die at the end.
41:12 Speaker 00 Oh, geez.
41:15 Speaker 03 Let us know.
41:17 Speaker 05 While we wait for those results to file in, we've got a question from Seth. Anyone else mix organ meats with their ground? I was contemplating doing a one to 10 ratio, adding some liver to my burger meat. Would that be a mistake?
41:29 Speaker 03 No, I, I mean, I've never done it, but it sounds like something that
41:35 Speaker 03 in countries where they make a lot of interesting sausages, it sounds like something to do.
41:39 Speaker 00 Sure, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I've thrown like heart in, in with my burger grind before.
41:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, good way to save and utilize the liver. Eat that heart on its own, though, would be my.
41:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:50 Speaker 04 That's so good, but the liver, yeah, toss it in there.
41:53 Speaker 05 Cool, we'll do one more before we get to.
41:55 Speaker 03 Please.
41:55 Speaker 05 Next guest, this is from Blaine. I've been looking for a Teddy Roosevelt documentary to read. I think he means biography, but there are so many to choose from. You guys have any advice on the best one? Randall, if you've.
42:07 Speaker 03 I think the, the, the, the new classic is, uh, Douglas Brinkley,
42:16 Speaker 03 Wilderness Warrior. There's another one, Theodore Rex.
42:19 Speaker 00 That's, that's a like tomb. That's like a Wilderness Warrior is like a brick, man.
42:24 Speaker 03 I think.
42:25 Speaker 00 While Randall's thinking about an actual biography, if you want something a little lighter, that's like a real fun read and it has a lot of adventure and craziness in it, um, read River of Doubt.
42:37 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. Canvas.
42:39 Speaker 00 It's very, it's a very cool, it's like post Teddy's presidency where he's like bumming because he's getting old and he wants to do one last adventure and he goes to look for the source of a river in the Amazon. It's super cool.
42:53 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, Edmund Morris, Theodore Rex, and then I'm sure, uh, what's the name of the guy that writes biographies of everybody?
43:01 Speaker 00 Um,
43:04 Speaker 00 I know exactly who you're talking about. I can't think of his name.
43:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, there's a lot out there. I think the Brinkley, Brinkley, the Wilderness Warrior really focuses on his conservation legacy. And if that's what gets you interested, I'd check that one out. Um, yeah.
43:22 Speaker 00 Is there one called The Rough Riders? Am I just making that up?
43:27 Speaker 03 I'm sure there's a book called The Rough Riders. Google's failing me.
43:32 Speaker 04 The naturalist.
43:33 Speaker 05 Randall, we, I'm, there's no way you have not seen this movie based on the director and the cast, but someone suggested The Legacy of a Whitetail Deer Hunter, which is a Jodie Hill movie.
43:41 Speaker 03 You know what? I really wanted to do that. I thought it would be fun to get, um, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's, it's a movie about, is this the one about the guy who has the TV show?
43:54 Speaker 05 Yes.
43:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, Josh Brolin's in it, Carrie Coon, Sue McNairy, Danny McBride.
43:59 Speaker 03 I thought it would be really funny to do that with Steve and Yanis.
44:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
44:03 Speaker 03 And like, ask them about.
44:05 Speaker 05 Oh, sure.
44:06 Speaker 03 The, you know, the, the overlap, but they both summarily rejected that out of hand. Because it's one of those things, they're too close to it to even enjoy it. So.
44:15 Speaker 05 That's, that's the, that's the whole point.
44:17 Speaker 03 I don't want to be in a room with Steve getting grouchy again, already.
44:21 Speaker 05 I mean, I don't either, but I think our audience.
44:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:25 Speaker 00 You should do that Buffalo Hunter Nicolas Cage movie.
44:30 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
44:30 Speaker 00 That Steve was kind of.
44:33 Speaker 03 We should do that one.
44:34 Speaker 00 Tangentially and like, just like.
44:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:37 Speaker 00 Kind of a little bit at one point involved with.
44:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:40 Speaker 04 What was the name of that one?
44:41 Speaker 03 Let's do that. Let's do that one.
44:43 Speaker 00 I forget what it's called, but I've been meaning to like, I've been meaning to check it out.
44:48 Speaker 04 Butchers Crossing?
44:49 Speaker 00 Yeah.
44:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, Butchers Crossing. Well, I think we've got a, I think we've got through our question and answer segment here because Mark Kenyon has been waiting very patiently on the line.
44:58 Speaker 05 Yeah, I told him he could leave and come back later and he's been watching the show.
45:00 Speaker 03 It's now 11:40. Oh, I'm looking at our schedule. We're way behind. I don't know how we did that because we only had two segments.
45:07 Speaker 00 No, listen, we always go.
45:09 Speaker 03 Not again. Next up, we're joined by Mark Kenyon, who recently became Meat Eaters Director of Conservation. Mark, it's good to see you. Welcome to the show.
45:19 Speaker 08 Thanks, Randall. It's great to be here. Uh, it was, it was more painful than anything having to sit here and hear you guys talk about book recommendations and not be able to speak.
45:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:29 Speaker 08 Glad I'm finally on.
45:30 Speaker 03 Please chime in. Do you have a, do you have a favorite T R biography?
45:34 Speaker 08 Well, like Brody said, the, the iconic one is The Wilderness Warrior, but it is a huge, you know, doorstop of a book.
45:41 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
45:41 Speaker 08 Um, a couple lighter reading versions that'll get you some interesting insight with some adventure along the way would be. Leave It As It Is by David Gesner. That's an interesting one that pairs a travel narrative with kind of an exploration of Roosevelt and kind of wrestling with his legacy. And then another one is The Naturalist, and that takes a look at Roosevelt's conservation legacy and from a slightly more, I mean, as the title would suggest, not as much on the hunting side, but a little bit more about his background as an amateur naturalist, birder, all those different things early on in his life, and then how that kind of came along with him. So, so those are two easier reading options to consider.
46:23 Speaker 03 Clearly, we should have just pulled you in earlier in this discussion, but I'm glad that, I'm glad that our faithful listeners have finally gotten you to weigh in on that. Mark, if folks are paying attention to the news lately, they know that you are the newest MeatEater Director of Conservation. You inherit your, your position from a worthy man in Ryan Callahan, who's moved on to become the CEO at BHA. Can you tell us what it means to be the Director of Conservation at a company like MeatEater?
46:57 Speaker 08 It's a, it's a huge honor. It's something that I'm just really, really thankful to get to do. It's some, it's the kind of work that I've been dreaming of and working towards for a really long time. You know, I think most people at MeatEater know me from what brought me in, which was my whitetail passion, and of course Wired to Hunt and all those things. But parallel to all that, I've had this growing desire to find ways that I can make a difference on the conservation side. And so that's led me to tackle all sorts of side hustle projects, like writing my books about public lands and wildlife and, you know, doing increasingly new things within the MeatEater world, whether that's, you know, founding the Working for Wildlife Tour, or
47:40 Speaker 08 representing us with the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership at events and all sorts of different things. So it's been a long time coming. It worked out really great that, you know, Cal was moving on to even bigger and better things and, and me and him had worked together on so much over the last few years that this is a pretty natural thing to step into. And I'm just really excited because. I'm on fire about it and there's a great need at the moment too. So I'm excited to, to continue to build off this great conservation, you know, foundation that Cal and Steve and really the whole team has built over the years.
48:12 Speaker 03 And what are the types of things like week to, maybe not day to day, but week to week, sort of what, what does that role encompass in terms of like, who are you talking to? What are you doing? Uh, what are you working towards?
48:26 Speaker 08 Yeah, you know, there, there's a lot of different things that it's going to entail. I think on one hand, there's like the long-term strategy, which is thinking about, how do we at Mediter strategically rally our resources and our voice and our platforms to, to work towards better conservation outcomes. So sometimes that's reacting to a bad piece of legislation. How do we educate everyone who's listening to us? How do we inspire and, and activate people to, to do something about it? How do we use our, you know, our funding or our relationships or anything like that to, to move the needle? Um, on the flip side, then it's thinking about how do we think about conservation storytelling and the content we do and, and thinking, you know, a long ways out, where are we needed on that front?
49:10 Speaker 08 And then kind of on a day-to-day basis, it's making sure that, you know, we at Mediter are tapped into what's happening, whether it be, you know, on the wildlife management side of things or the public land side of things, or the million different, um, news bites that are popping up every day, understanding what's happening, talking to our conservation partners, talking to contacts, you know, in Washington DC or in state capitals and figuring out, what are the issues that are impacting hunters and anglers and wildlife and wild places? And is, you know, is any one of those things something that we should be engaging in, whether that be just with, you know, us educating or us doing some other things too. So, that's a little bit of what it's going to look like. We'll be doing
49:53 Speaker 08 more content, more news, more education. And then I think what I'm really excited about is finding ways to.
50:01 Speaker 08 Help not just us at the company, but our entire community more actively engage. How do we actually like get boots on the ground and do good things for wildlife and wild places? How do we show up in person to make sure that public lands stay in public hands? How do we, how do we do these things in really concrete ways? Um, I think that's been a, a trademark of Mediter in many ways. And, you know, whether that be our content, storytelling, cookbooks. Um, so how do we continue to do that on the conservation front? Maybe in, in bolder ways than we ever have.
50:33 Speaker 03 Well, I know everybody here is excited to have you in that role because it's a great fit and looking forward to seeing what you do there. But we brought you on today to talk about another bit of news and another person who is nominated for a new job here. And it's sort of been flying under the radar, but recently there's been some attention, uh, pointed to the administration's nomination of Steve Pierce to direct the Bureau of Land Management. Um, and there's a bit of controversy around it. Can you tell us a little bit about, uh, this individual and, and maybe what's at stake with the nomination? Like what is, what is the BLM director do and, and who's the guy that might have that job?
51:15 Speaker 08 Yeah. So I'll give you a very short answer to the first part of that, and then we can dive in further if you want. But the director of the Bureau of Land Management oversees a massive swath of our federal public lands. It's, it's somewhere in the, you know, somewhere between 240 and 250 million acres of our public lands are managed by this person. He gets to spearhead how resource management plans are put into the ground and developed. So what actually happens on this landscape? Uh, this person will oversee and approve or rescind the rules that this organization makes. Really important things that dictate, you know, how we manage these landscapes, how we extract resources from them,
51:55 Speaker 08 how we utilize them and allow others to utilize them, whether that's for extraction or grazing or recreation or conservation. Uh, this is the person that, you know, part of what the BLM has done in the past and other land managing agencies is they assess the lands that they manage and they determine if those are appropriate lands for disposal even. That's something that does happen. That's something that this person could do. So whoever sits in this seat. Has wide authority over a big chunk of ground that hunters and anglers really care about. I mean, this is some of our very best pronghorn hunting, mule deer hunting, elk hunting, sage grouse habitat, all sorts of grouse habitat.
52:38 Speaker 08 This is big, wide open, beautiful country that a lot of us hold dear. So yeah, this is a pretty important job and there are some red flags right now about Steve Pearce because of, you know, not just one thing he said, I feel like, you know, it's easy these days in the era of cancel culture. If you say one thing wrong, right? It'd be pretty easy to get in big trouble for just saying one thing wrong.
53:05 Speaker 08 Steve Pearce has had a long legacy of saying many things that don't come off too well when it comes to public lands. A lot of statements, a lot of letters, an actual supportive legislation in his previous jobs that do not bode well for someone in this position. So he was a congressman from, he was a congressman twice from 2003 to 2009, I believe, and 11 to 19 in the state of New Mexico. And over the course of that timeframe, multiple instances where he's spoken about how the federal government shouldn't own lands, how federal public lands should be sold off, how the land estate should be shrunk.
53:47 Speaker 08 He co-authored a letter to the Speaker of the House back in 2012, I think it was, pushing for the sale of public lands. He co-sponsored a bill that would sell public lands. He supported the Jason Chavitz 2017 bill that would sell off three some million acres of public lands. And just, I could go on and on. There's so many of these examples. So yeah, that is a little bit concerning if somebody who has actively tried to sell off our public lands or actively tried to shrink public lands, if he's now in charge of them. So at the high level, that's why this is raising some eyebrows.
54:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I mean, it seems very clear that it's like a fox in the hen house situation potentially. How have conservation groups reacted to this news? I believe he was nominated at the end of last year and his appointment or his confirmation hearings are still forthcoming. But what's, what's the word on the street right now from folks that care about public lands and fishing wildlife?
54:49 Speaker 08 Yeah, it has been, you know, as you would expect, a lot of concern, a lot of people raising the same points that I just did. The, the fox in the hen house analogy is perfect. A group of 80 or so environmental and conservation organizations sent a letter to the leaders of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee just recently, expressing, you know, serious concerns along the lines of what I've just mentioned. So yeah, there's a lot of pushback. My, our good buddy Cal, he has been sounding the alarm at Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. I know he was just in DC recently talking to folks about this as well. So yeah, I think the alarm is being rung.
55:32 Speaker 08 I think there is reason to, you know, you want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt if he gets the job. But I would like him to do so if that's going to happen with some commitments on the record to not do and to not pursue some of the ideas that he's voiced support for in the past.
55:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, that makes total sense. Do you know if there's, if there's a confirmation hearing scheduled? And then, you know, in the meantime, how can people make a difference if they want to weigh in on this?
56:03 Speaker 08 So the hearing has not been announced yet, but it seems like it's imminent. You know, everyone's talking about it happening sometime soon.
56:12 Speaker 08 And I think what we can do about it is, is let our, here's the thing. From everything I understand and from everyone I've talked to, it's very, very unlikely that his approval, that his nomination will not be approved. He's likely going to get the job. So then the question is, well, are we wasting our time raising a stink about it? Because he's going to get the job no matter what. So why are we, why are we going to use those resources? And what it seems like the play here seems to be that in this nomination hearing, he has to stand up in front of everyone and answer questions under oath about what his plans are, what his views are, what the direction of this is going to be. And he's going to have to answer for his past statements and actions as well. And so what we as
56:56 Speaker 08 Hunters and anglers and people who care about these places can do is we can ask our senators, especially if they sit on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, who will get to be a part of that. We can ask them to ask these tough questions. We can explain to them why this matters to us in whatever state you live in and why it's important that if Steve Pearce gets this job in this job interview that he's going to effectively be on, he's got to answer for some of these stuff. So BHA has done a really cool and easy thing that for anyone wants to participate in, they can. If you go to Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Instagram account, there's a link to send in what you think your senators should ask him during this job interview.
57:41 Speaker 08 And he gives you a couple, three, four suggested questions, or you can ask your own. But this is just how we would want to press him, what we would like this guy to have to answer to on the record and provide some explanation for. So things like, you know, what will you do to ensure public land stay in public hands or aren't sold or transferred? I would love for him to have to answer that question on the record. And hopefully we can get some commitments, some guarantees from him publicly that he won't pursue those things. Same thing goes for many other questions related to how, you know, the BLM will balance conservation with resource extraction. There's a lot of concerns there.
58:22 Speaker 08 So we probably can't stop it, but we might be able to frame the conversation around his role and his taking that role in such a way that it, you know, can maybe at least put some public pressure on him and keep him and keep things from going as badly as maybe they could. And hey, maybe he'll turn out great, maybe the things he said in the past, maybe he feels differently now. I hope so, but we should, we should definitely ask him to speak on that publicly and give us some assurances.
58:51 Speaker 03 Mark, really appreciate you taking the time. Folks can follow you to learn more about this and many other issues. And yeah, we'll keep our eyes on, on Mr. Pearce. And yeah, looking forward to seeing what you do in the new roles. Thanks for coming on.
59:07 Speaker 08 Appreciate it. Hey, Phil, good luck with that vasectomy. I had to have two of them.
59:11 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
59:11 Speaker 05 That's right. Hope I have better luck than you, Mark. Thank you. I think, I think that'll make a difference. Your, your well wishes.
59:16 Speaker 03 Mark's batting 50% over there.
59:19 Speaker 05 Fingers crossed for a pal.
59:20 Speaker 03 Take care, Mark. We'll see ya.
59:22 Speaker 04 Thanks, Mark.
59:22 Speaker 00 Seems like an opportunity for a malpractice suit there.
59:27 Speaker 03 I don't think it's as rare as you'd like to think.
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1:01:39 Speaker 03 All right, guys. Again, we're geez, we're just running behind time, but that's because we're having so much fun. And our next segment is Meat Pole.
1:01:48 Speaker 09 You sure about that?
1:01:49 Speaker 03 It's Meat Eater Radio Live.
1:01:56 Speaker 03 Oh, that's right. We're doing something brand new today. For the very first time, we've lied to one of the hosts in the studio about what we're doing. We're actually gonna play
1:02:07 Speaker 03 to a segment called Meat Theater.
1:02:17 Speaker 03 Brody, I'm passing out scripts now. I don't know if you saw the last Meat Theater. I'll explain it just one second when I get Phil his script.
1:02:27 Speaker 05 Oh, thanks, Randall. Appreciate it.
1:02:30 Speaker 03 All right.
1:02:31 Speaker 04 This is awesome. I heard rumors about this, but.
1:02:32 Speaker 03 Well.
1:02:36 Speaker 03 Meat Theater is where we take outstanding, sorry, I'll begin again. Meat Theater is where we take outstanding hunting literature and feed it into artificial intelligence, asking the computer to generate a short dramatic script to be performed live by untrained actors. For today's performance, we're revisiting another classic Ernest Hemingway story, the 1952 novella, The Old Man and the Sea. Director's note, I had to ask the AI to revise its original script to include a speaking part for the fish, so we had three roles. Then I asked the AI to make the fish use a lot of profanity, but then I thought better of it and asked the AI to replace those swear words with some tamer 1950s alternatives, so that it would all be very realistic.
1:03:20 Speaker 03 I'm playing Santiago, the fisherman.
1:03:23 Speaker 00 I really apologize to everyone for this.
1:03:26 Speaker 03 This is a fan favorite, Brody.
1:03:29 Speaker 03 Corey, you're playing Madeline, who's a small boy, so I'd like you to speak in the highest voice you can. And Brody, you're playing the fish. Isn't that exciting? Lucky.
1:03:38 Speaker 00 Very exciting.
1:03:39 Speaker 03 Phil, take it away.
1:03:45 Speaker 03 I'll just bide my time until you get to me.
1:03:50 Speaker 05 The setting is Cuba, the 1950s. Santiago is an old fisherman. He has gone eighty-four days without catching a fish. Manalyn, a local boy, helps him prepare his fishing lines in the early dawn outside his small shack.
1:04:09 Speaker 03 That's you, Cory.
1:04:10 Speaker 10 Eighty-four days, Santiago. My father says I must fish in another boat.
1:04:15 Speaker 03 I know.
1:04:17 Speaker 10 But you are still the best fisherman. You taught me everything.
1:04:21 Speaker 03 Your father is right. A boy should be with a lucky boat.
1:04:25 Speaker 10 Luck is a thing that comes in many forms. Tomorrow you will catch a fish. I can feel it.
1:04:31 Speaker 03 Perhaps. Tomorrow I will go far out, beyond all the others.
1:04:35 Speaker 10 I wish I could go with you.
1:04:37 Speaker 03 But you are with another boat now. But bring me sardines for bait in the morning, and we will speak of baseball.
1:04:45 Speaker 10 DiMaggio's streak continues.
1:04:47 Speaker 03 Of course, he is a great man. Even with the bone spur in his heel, he plays. Do you think we are that great, Manalyn?
1:04:54 Speaker 10 I think you are.
1:04:58 Speaker 03 How's that? It's great.
1:05:02 Speaker 05 The next morning, before dawn, Santiago went far out to sea, alone.
1:05:09 Speaker 03 I'm not religious, but I will say ten Our Fathers and ten Hail Marys if I can catch a fish. I promise.
1:05:17 Speaker 05 He feels a pull on the line.
1:05:19 Speaker 03 There, something. Not yet. Wait, wait.
1:05:22 Speaker 05 Suddenly, the line jerks.
1:05:24 Speaker 03 Ah, a big one!
1:05:25 Speaker 05 Santiago struggles with the line, trying to pull in his catch.
1:05:29 Speaker 03 He will not come up. Too heavy, too strong. Come up, fish, please, come up.
1:05:34 Speaker 00 Ha, ha, ha, I will not, you old Cuban cuss!
1:05:38 Speaker 03 Then I will stay with you, brother, however long it takes.
1:05:43 Speaker 00 You are tied to me, old man, as I am tied to you. I pull you north and west, away from your home. Confound you for hooking me!
1:05:51 Speaker 03 Pull me wherever you wish. I will not let go.
1:05:56 Speaker 00 You stubborn son of a gun. You should just cut the line. I am stronger than you. Your hands bleed, old man. You cannot rest. Why in tarnation do you not cut this line?
1:06:09 Speaker 11 Because you are my brother. Because you are the greatest thing I have ever seen.
1:06:15 Speaker 05 The fish pulled the boat northwest for two days and two nights. Santiago held the line until his hands bled. He could not eat. He could not sleep. But he would not let go.
1:06:28 Speaker 00 You suffer, old man. I feel a line cutting into me. And I know you feel it cutting into you. We are both in pain. We are both in pain. Get zooks!
1:06:41 Speaker 11 Yes, but I was born for this. And you were born for this.
1:06:46 Speaker 00 Born for this, dag nab it? Why must you kill me? I have done nothing to you!
1:06:52 Speaker 11 You are killing me, fish. But you have the right to. Never have I seen anything greater, or more beautiful, or more calm than you, brother. I do not know if I am worthy to kill such a fish. But I will try. I will show you what a man can do and what a man endures.
1:07:11 Speaker 00 Kreitsch! Then show me, old man. Show me, gosh darn it! I will not. I will show you what a fish can do.
1:07:20 Speaker 11 Come up. I am an old man, but I am not defeated. Come up!
1:07:25 Speaker 00 Eighty double hockey sticks! I have pulled you far from land. I have fought well.
1:07:30 Speaker 11 You have fought better than any fish I have known.
1:07:34 Speaker 00 And you, old man, have fought better than any man I have ever known. Very well. I am coming up. Gee willikers. You have earned this.
1:07:46 Speaker 05 With one last pull, Santiago brings his catch to the surface.
1:07:52 Speaker 11 Eighteen feet, maybe more. A thousand pounds at least. There, it is done.
1:07:59 Speaker 00 It is done. We fought yel- well, you and I. Yegads.
1:08:04 Speaker 11 We fought very well, brother.
1:08:08 Speaker 00 Now I'm a- now I am tied to your damned boat. You are taking me home.
1:08:12 Speaker 11 Yes, the boy will see you. Everyone will see you. They will know what we did together.
1:08:20 Speaker 00 I hope they will, old man. I hope.
1:08:24 Speaker 05 Santiago had killed the fish, but it was too big to bring into the boat. He lashed it to the side and began the long journey home. But the sharks smelled the blood.
1:08:36 Speaker 11 No, no! Mako sharks!
1:08:39 Speaker 00 They come for me, old man. They will destroy what we have done.
1:08:43 Speaker 11 Gall-danged sharks? No, I will fight them!
1:08:49 Speaker 05 Santiago strikes at the sharks with his oar.
1:08:52 Speaker 11 Take that, and that!
1:08:54 Speaker 00 More are coming. Barnacles! You cannot stop them all.
1:09:00 Speaker 11 I will try, brother. I will try.
1:09:03 Speaker 05 More sharks came. Hope that's the wrong camera. More sharks came! Santiago fought them all, with harpoon, with knife, with club, with the tiller! But there were too many.
1:09:15 Speaker 11 Eat, you scavengers. I... I went out too far. I have ruined us both, fish.
1:09:22 Speaker 00 You did not ruin us.
1:09:24 Speaker 11 Cuz these sharks... We did what we were meant to do. You fought. I fought. That is enough. Is it enough? It is enough.
1:09:38 Speaker 05 By the time Santiago reached the harbor in the dark, the sharks had eaten everything. Only the skeleton remained, eighteen feet of bones bound to the boat. But the fish's voice had gone silent.
1:09:52 Speaker 12 Santiago?
1:09:54 Speaker 11 Ah, Manalyn, you are here.
1:09:56 Speaker 12 I-I saw the fish, the skeleton. How much did it weigh?
1:10:00 Speaker 11 I do not know. The sharks ate it. All of it.
1:10:05 Speaker 12 But everyone has seen it, fifteen feet from nose to tail. Some say eighteen. It is the greatest fish anyone has ever seen.
1:10:14 Speaker 11 But they ate it!
1:10:16 Speaker 12 You beat the fish. That is what matters. Tomorrow, I will fish with you again. My father can say what he wants. I will fish with you.
1:10:27 Speaker 11 You think so?
1:10:29 Speaker 12 I know so. Now rest. I will bring you food.
1:10:34 Speaker 11 Manolin?
1:10:35 Speaker 12 Yeah?
1:10:37 Speaker 11 I had a dream. I was dreaming about the lions.
1:10:41 Speaker 12 The lions on the beach in Africa?
1:10:44 Speaker 11 Yes, when I was your age, I saw them playing on the shore. Like cats. I dream about them still.
1:10:56 Speaker 05 The old man fell asleep. And he dreamed of lions on the white beaches of his youth. When the world was new. And all things were possible.
1:11:09 Speaker 11 The end. Audience goes nuts.
1:11:15 Speaker 04 Fade to black.
1:11:17 Speaker 03 Oh, man. I was so excited for that. I'd forgotten, we're still in this hazy twilight of the studio. I'd forgotten that I made Brody. I made, I made Brody a fish mask and I didn't give it to him. But it's probably for the best because I don't think you could have read your script.
1:11:34 Speaker 00 This doesn't look like a marlin.
1:11:36 Speaker 03 I just Googled fish mask and printed the first thing I found. Well, that was a fun new segment called Meat Eater Fake Out slash Meat Theater. I had a great time with it. I hope the audience enjoyed it as well. Brody, you ever-
1:11:50 Speaker 05 Round of applause for Brody, I understand.
1:11:52 Speaker 03 Do you ever think you're gonna walk into the studio and have a, have the, the whole thing flipped on you and have to perform a play live on air?
1:11:58 Speaker 00 That was more fun, I think.
1:11:59 Speaker 03 It was a lot of fun. Boy.
1:12:01 Speaker 04 Can't wait to see your revenge.
1:12:02 Speaker 03 Phil, what's the chat saying about our, our little production there?
1:12:05 Speaker 05 I haven't been able to look because I, it's mostly vasectomy talk. A lot of vasectomy talk. Seems like people are more interested in vasectomies than our meat theater segment. Let's see, this is a masterpiece.
1:12:16 Speaker 03 I, I wish that we had given Corey a dry run because I feel in the second, the third act- His voice was dialed, straight dialed.
1:12:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, practice makes perfect.
1:12:27 Speaker 03 Started off a little choppy, but by the end it was very convincing.
1:12:30 Speaker 04 Well, thank you.
1:12:31 Speaker 05 Uh, what did I just tune into?
1:12:33 Speaker 04 I was going for a Tommy Pickles.
1:12:34 Speaker 05 Uh, crap, I zoned out. What the heck's going on? These are most of the comments. Uh, thanks guys for, for staying on the line. You know, our viewer count is higher now than it was before we started the second.
1:12:44 Speaker 04 Oh, man, let's hope this show never dies.
1:12:46 Speaker 05 Someone call, someone call the suits upstairs.
1:12:48 Speaker 03 That's good. That's good stuff.
1:12:50 Speaker 05 Okay, we got some questions here. Do you, any of you guys keep bees? That's from Sean.
1:12:55 Speaker 03 No, I hate bees. I'll be honest. I react really poorly to bee stings. A friend of mine keeps bees. It seems like an incredibly, uh, time intensive hobby, or at least he talks about bees more than I'd like him to. Um, but I do enjoy the honey. The honey is very good and honey is expensive.
1:13:14 Speaker 00 It is. We're actually, my youngest kid and I are seriously considering getting a hive this summer.
1:13:22 Speaker 04 Cool.
1:13:23 Speaker 00 Cause you can do like mail order stuff for that. You just order it, it shows up at your door.
1:13:27 Speaker 04 Hmm, ready to roll.
1:13:28 Speaker 00 Bingo bango. Steve has a buddy up in Alaska. I didn't even know this was a thing. Um, they just do a hive every summer and that's it. Then they do a new hive. Cause like I always thought you had to like deal with them over the winter, maybe send them somewhere warmer, whatever. But yeah, I want to give it a try.
1:13:47 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's not really what you know, but who you know. I, my wife and I get a giant bucket of honey every year from some farmers, friends of ours, so.
1:13:55 Speaker 03 Now that I think about it, at one point I was asked by a coworker. I, I had to drive from Spokane to Helena and, uh, I was asked to bring bees from one place to the other. And so a guy showed up and put a bunch of bees in my car with me.
1:14:12 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:14:13 Speaker 03 I had a Honda Pilot at the time.
1:14:15 Speaker 04 Nice.
1:14:16 Speaker 03 And I drove, I drove whatever.
1:14:21 Speaker 03 Four and a half, five hours, just gripping the steering wheel.
1:14:23 Speaker 05 Yeah, that'd be unsettling.
1:14:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was very unsettling. It seemed like a bad movie, but.
1:14:27 Speaker 00 I will say this, the whole like bear and honey thing is real.
1:14:33 Speaker 00 Back when, uh, Yannis and I were guiding fly fishing in Colorado, we had a private ranch that we would take out at now, now and then, and that rancher had bees. And he had to run, um, electric fence around the hives to keep the bears out because they would just go in there and tear it up.
1:14:51 Speaker 03 You know, I was hunting.
1:14:52 Speaker 00 So if you live in an area like that, consider that.
1:14:54 Speaker 03 I was hunting bears one spring outside of Missoula. And it was private down in the bottom on this Forest Service road that you drive past and they had a bunch of, a bunch of bee hives. And we drove past one time and there were like six skunks. In like, walking across the field towards the hives, like walking in between the hives. I'd never seen anything like it.
1:15:16 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:15:17 Speaker 03 But it was just six skunks all out in the middle of the daylight, just dialed in on those, on those beehives.
1:15:22 Speaker 05 Good point. Uh, this is from Car, Sarah Carlin, I would guess, currently listening to you guys while pike fishing in the dark on the Shannon River in Ireland. Thanks for keeping me company. Any pike fishing tips for me?
1:15:34 Speaker 03 That's amazing.
1:15:35 Speaker 00 Oh, dude.
1:15:36 Speaker 03 That's amazing.
1:15:37 Speaker 00 I don't know, like, pike fishing tips. You got any like live suckers? They really like those.
1:15:45 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, be careful when you land one. Don't get slime all over your boat or your clothes and keep your fingers away from the teeth and gills.
1:15:54 Speaker 00 What is strange to me is like, at least in my experience here in the US of A, like n- night fishing for pike is like not a thing. Like, like they're just not known to like feed well at night.
1:16:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:08 Speaker 00 I mean, maybe we've got it all wrong.
1:16:10 Speaker 03 I always think of them as a very like visually oriented fish.
1:16:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:16:14 Speaker 04 But they're always hunting.
1:16:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's super cool though.
1:16:17 Speaker 04 Sorry, no great tips for you.
1:16:19 Speaker 05 Where are we at with the venison hot dog recipe? It's from 2FS.
1:16:23 Speaker 03 Uh, we have, we have plans ongoing. Very promising lead. Uh, we're just, it's hoping to get the participation of a man who we believe to be the expert in this. So stay tuned. It's definitely happening. It's just a question of, uh, Steven Rinella's schedule.
1:16:43 Speaker 00 Is it, is the challenge there like learning how to like emulsify that stuff?
1:16:49 Speaker 03 That's, that, I mean, that's the key step, but the, the, the object is to make a hot dog that is tastes the same, has the same crunch. You know, the, the same, the same snappiness.
1:17:04 Speaker 00 Are we talking like, uh?
1:17:06 Speaker 03 Frank.
1:17:06 Speaker 00 Like, uh, so not like an Oscar Mayer weiner where there's just like no skin on it. It's gonna have, is it gonna have like a?
1:17:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, it'll have, it'll have a skin on it. It'll have a case, but, but like, you know, it's all about that. Hot dog enthusiasts call it a snap.
1:17:22 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
1:17:23 Speaker 03 When you break that case. And so, uh, and then again, the emulsification is, is really, like, there's a lot of people that say they make venison hot dogs and then you get it and it's like,
1:17:32 Speaker 00 A brat.
1:17:33 Speaker 03 A brat with a different spice mix. So we're working towards, uh, creating actual like gas station roller dogs out of venison. Yeah, it's exciting.
1:17:42 Speaker 04 Stay tuned.
1:17:43 Speaker 05 Uh, Matt asks, did I miss the punt gun content or has it not been made yet? We want the punt gun. Um, I don't want to speak for the video team, but look for punt gun stuff in a few months.
1:17:52 Speaker 04 Yeah, stay tuned.
1:17:53 Speaker 03 forthcoming.
1:17:54 Speaker 04 It'll be
1:17:55 Speaker 05 It is happening.
1:17:55 Speaker 04 A big release and you won't want to miss it.
1:17:57 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
1:17:59 Speaker 05 Uh, someone's asking for quail recipes or hunting tips. Scrub Life Danny got invited to hunt quail for the first time next Monday.
1:18:07 Speaker 00 Scrub life. Phew, um, tips like, I, I mean, it's such, such a general question. I mean, I don't know if these guys are hunting with dogs or. Um, yeah, go hunt where there's some quail would be my tip.
1:18:22 Speaker 03 And grill them. I mean, I always think about little birds like that grilling them whole.
1:18:26 Speaker 00 Keep the skin on, take the time to pluck them if they're not shot up.
1:18:32 Speaker 00 I would say like, if you got a group of people, you're gonna need two per, for wild quail, you're gonna need at least two per person.
1:18:39 Speaker 03 Yep. Good luck. Keep us posted.
1:18:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, let's do one more here. This is from Chris Locke. He says he's elk hunting late season. He hears 200 to 300 elk bulls are fighting and bugling. Will Collin do anything or is it all about spot and stock intercepts? He's hoping hunting in open country with a muzzleloader.
1:18:59 Speaker 00 Um.
1:19:00 Speaker 04 Here of 200.
1:19:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, I was kind of confused by that.
1:19:02 Speaker 00 Corey, that late season bugling, that ain't, that's just them talking to each other when they're in those giant herds. Like, you're not gonna lure a bull in by Collin.
1:19:11 Speaker 04 I mean, yeah, they're always fighting. They're always bugling. It's not just a rut thing. Collin might do you something, though. I mean,
1:19:22 Speaker 04 squeak on a little lost calf call and see if a cow will come in. I don't know if you're hunting either sex. Uh, if you gotta get close.
1:19:29 Speaker 03 Open country with a muzzy.
1:19:31 Speaker 00 Yeah, a lot of belly crawling, I'd imagine.
1:19:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, your best bet's spot and stock, though.
1:19:37 Speaker 03 Phil, is that it?
1:19:38 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:19:39 Speaker 03 Are you sure?
1:19:40 Speaker 05 Unless you want to keep going, I mean, we're, we're, we're at, we're at time. I think, I think we've, we've given them a pretty good shot.
1:19:45 Speaker 00 We didn't get any reactions on our Academy Award winning efforts, Phil.
1:19:50 Speaker 05 Brody, you got called out specifically. People were not, I can find some for you. People were saying, I didn't know Brody had that heat in him. Bravo. Was not expecting that from Brody.
1:20:00 Speaker 03 In the biz, we call that chops.
1:20:01 Speaker 05 Uh, John says, Bravo, I'm weeping. Brody really showed up.
1:20:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:20:06 Speaker 05 Brody was a good sport. I told Randall before this, uh, for the D and D game, you, you brought, brought it then too.
1:20:13 Speaker 00 Listen, man, I'm.
1:20:14 Speaker 05 Not expecting that.
1:20:15 Speaker 00 I'm game, Phil.
1:20:16 Speaker 05 I love it.
1:20:16 Speaker 00 I'm game for whatever. Plus, I just like felt for that fish, man, because he really got boned, you know?
1:20:23 Speaker 03 Yeah. I, I tried to do, uh, the most dangerous game. You remember that short story?
1:20:29 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:20:29 Speaker 00 Oh, that's a good one.
1:20:30 Speaker 03 Uh, but then I forgot that the guy, you know, there's the guy that hunts the people and then there's the, the guy that's gonna be hunted. And then there's a third guy. And he's only described as like a big imposing mute character.
1:20:44 Speaker 00 Is he like an enforcer or something?
1:20:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, I didn't think it would be fair. He's like, he makes some, the guy, one guy makes some comments like he has his own methods.
1:20:53 Speaker 00 Right.
1:20:53 Speaker 03 But he's silent the whole time. So it just didn't turn out well. So I thought just adding the fish to this would work out the best. That's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get away, we'll get away from Hemingway at some point, but he's really got a rich library. So, uh, as always, we appreciate you. We love you. Thanks for tuning in. Corey Brody. Appreciate you guys. Phil, you killed it again today. As always, we'll see you here next Thursday, Media to Radio Live, signing off. Good night.
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