Ep. 771: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CLXXXIV

Janis Putelis guest hosts MeatEater Trivia with Bronson Strickland, Spencer Neuharth https://www.instagram.com/spencerneuharth/?hl=en, Seth Morris, Brody Henderson, Cory Calkins, and Sam James. Connect with MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAaa0mleeU128Ad5iM1RFIg, and YouTube Clips https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterClips Subscribe to MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Shop Trivia Merch https://store.themeateater.com/collections/meateater-trivia/?lang=en_US See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:43Speaker 02

  Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I'm your guest host, Yanis Patellas. Today, joined by Spencer, Brody, Corey, Seth, and Bronson Strickland. Bronson, this is your first time on the show. How do you think you'll do at Meat Eater Trivia?

• 3:01Speaker 03

  If I do 50%, it'll be a victory for me. I'm terrible at trivia.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Do you ever play along with this show at home?

• 3:10Speaker 03

  I have, I have a couple of times with graduate students in the truck and I always lose.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Hmm, even though you're a doctor.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that's pretty meaningless.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  What if I told you that all of the questions today are about whitetails? Would that make you feel any different?

• 3:29Speaker 03

  A little better, absolutely.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  But, but also more embarrassed when I miss questions.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I, as I always hope, when I host an episode, I hope I make them hard, but not too hard. Because no one likes it when I come in here with a bunch of hard questions. So I think there's some softballs in here. We'll see. Uh, now normally, this is a 10 round quiz show, the questions from Meat Eater's four verticals, which are hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking. But this is whitetail week. So in honor of North America's most pursued game animal, every question today is about the whitetail deer. I was still able to work that into three out of the four verticals, but fishing stumped me. Normally, the prize is a $500 donation on behalf of the winner.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  But today, that's also different. Today, the winner will get a lifetime membership to the National Deer Association, which is a $1,500 value. Dr. Strickland, Ronson, tell folks why they should be a member of the National Deer Association.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  Because it is an organization all about deer, all about education, making people better hunters, better stewards, advocacy for deer. So it's just a wonderful organization made up of great people.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  I'll give them a little props. I find myself oftentimes unsubscribing from email lists. Because I'm like, I'm not reading the stuff you're sending me. NDA, I haven't. Now, I won't read every article that comes to my inbox, but there's a lot of them where I'm like, you know what? That could be good for me, and I read it.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  They do a very good job of bridging the gap between biologists like Dr. Strickland and hunters like us, and like giving us good information that will make us better hunters, better land managers, just like have a better time in the woods and be more educated about whitetails.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Yep. Now, for the stat of the week, we're looking at the fat discounts you can get during Whitetail Week. Obviously, this is a script written by Spencer, and he is just straight up plugging the sale that's going on during Whitetail Week. So now, through Sunday, October 5th, a bunch of our and your favorite whitetail gears on sale, including the First Light Phase Kit, the Core Kit, and the Thermic Kit, all 30% off. The Source Jacket, 40% off. You can get a Moltrey Edge 2 Cell Cam 2-pack for 100 bucks. That means you save 60 bucks off of if you're going to buy two separately.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  The FHF rival sling bundle is 20% off. The Phelps Omega Hybrid Grunt Tube is 40% off.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  And obviously, there's a bunch, bunch more. Basically, all Sam just told me, all MeatEater brands are on sale this week. You can see the deals at firstlight.com or themeat eater.com.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Who's got something? Sam?

• 6:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  What are you, what are you excited about for this sale? What do you think is a good deal?

• 6:34Speaker 05

  Uh, I really like those Moltre Edge 2 game cameras. Those are sweet. Get those out in the woods and get after it. I also, um, there's some, uh, some discounts on some media merch that's in the store, too. Good whitetail gear.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  It is never been easier or cheaper to run a cell camera than like this very moment on earth. The cams are very good. The prices are cheap. The, the plans to run them monthly are reasonable. If you own some land, if you'd like have access to land and, and cell cams are legal, this is like the moment to, to do it. If you, if you've thought about it for a while.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if you set them up doing the solar thing, which I now have, I think on pretty much all of the cameras on our place. We have gone so long now without touching or being near some of these cameras that I'm coming to think that I have two, maybe three-year-old bucks that have seen that camera from the day they were born. I'm not messing around here. And they just simply don't have that adverse reaction that like when all of a sudden a three-year-old buck walks by the first time and he's just like, you know, locks on the brakes and gives you the stare down that you don't see him again. Like these bucks are just like, it's just part of the normal thing, which maybe that's not a good, good thing. And they definitely don't smell like me anymore.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Uh, the Killen Hoodie is also on sale this week. That's probably like my most used base layer.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Uh, on the website, it has, I think, 1,200 reviews. It's like our most reviewed thing.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  4.84 stars. So not only do I love it, but everyone who's purchased one.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  What, is there anybody, this would be a good trivia question. What was the Killen Hoodie called before it was called the Killen Hoodie?

• 8:15Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  Origin.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  That was a fleece one.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  Midway.

• 8:20Speaker 06

  Oh, I have some of the LJ's. What was that called?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna be a memory either right now.

• 8:25Speaker 06

  It was the same name.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  But I would say that that piece, while you're thinking, I would say that that piece is what put First Light on the map.

• 8:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Like, I guided multiple hunters that would be wearing a wool hoodie. I'd be like, what's that? This is long before I even knew about First Light. Oh, this is this First Light hoodie. I still have one of the originals. They were like, I live in it.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  What's it called?

• 8:44Speaker 06

  Oh, God, this is gonna irritate me.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Phil, can you Google it for us while we're talking? You don't know the answer? I don't think I know. Show right now. No, I said it would be a good trivia question. I didn't say I knew the answer. Um, again, Whitetail Week. Chama. Was it the Chama? You're right. The Chama. Good work.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Way to go, Brody. One point.

• 9:04Speaker 06

  Steel trap memory.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is why it makes Brody a, uh, real trivia contender. Um, Whitetail Week, again, happening right now, firstlight.com, biggest sale of the year on our best whitetail-specific products. No IFAQ or housekeeping today, other than this fly that buzzed around us all during the podcast, too.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  Awful.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  It is. I'll do, it'll be my... Bonus point to the player who kills it?

• 9:33Speaker 04

  Oh. Phil's been killing some in the studio. Too many of them.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  I know. Get some fly tape in here, Phil. Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, it might be good for acoustics as well. Phil, you ready? Yeah, let's do it. The Jennifer Index today is a four. So our winner should get eight correct answers. Bronson, if you don't know, usually it's the Shelby Index, who is Spencer's wife. She plays before we all play, and she gets a score. Usually double her score is what the winner will get. I ran my questions by my wife this morning. She got four right.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  And after going to the Madison Tailgate Tour and the Milwaukee store opening, a lot of folks now treat it as their barometer. That's who they're competing against each week.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Oh, it's against Shelby.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Or the Jennifer Index, or whatever the index is that week. So it now serves that purpose more than predicting the outcome.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  It made me feel good that she got four, because I'm like, it can't be that hard.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  Even though, definitely a couple, she just pulled out of her rear end, but all good. With that, we're on to the game of trivia. Play the drop, Phil.

• 10:39Speaker 07

  Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything. How's that? Just tend to win everything.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Game on, suckers. The first question is, as always, multiple choice. It is also one of the listener submitted questions this week, and it was sent in by Kevin Robinson of Missoula, Montana. Go Cats! Go Grizz. For sending this great question, Kevin is going to get a board game signed by the crew. If you want a chance to win the listener question of the week, then send your question to [email protected]. The question is, what antlered big game species shares the same Pope and Young Minimum Entry Score of 125 inches with typical whitetail deer?

• 11:37Speaker 02

  Is it coos deer, shirus moose, blacktail deer, or doll sheep?

• 11:44Speaker 04

  This is a great question.

• 11:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, it is.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Good job, Kevin.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Kevin had it as a non-multiple choice, which I thought was way too hard.

• 11:54Speaker 04

  That was good hosting by you, Yanni.

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Again, the question is, what antlered big game species shares the same Pope and Young Minimum Entry Score of 125 inches with typical whitetail deer? Is it coos deer, shirus moose, blacktail deer, or doll sheep?

• 12:20Speaker 04

  P and Y. Do you want to go P and Y, Yanni?

• 12:23Speaker 02

  I think it will. You know, I'm gonna have you measure it.

• 12:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, happy to break out the stretchy tape for you.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Appreciate it. Does everybody have an answer? Yeah. I was gonna change it.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  But you don't want tape that stretches, then it would score smaller.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 12:40Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, it's like, you know, you measure it, and then usually a string or a cable, and then you get the stretchy tape out.

• 12:47Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 12:47Speaker 06

  Round up.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. Bronson says, "Black-tailed deer Sam, black-tailed deer Spencer, Shyrus Moose Cory, Dolls Sheep, Seth, hard to read your name there buddy, Shyrus, and Brody Shyrus." We have some correct answers. It is Shyrus Moose.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Good job, fellas. The Pope and Young Minimum for typical coups is 70 inches. Typical black-tailed deer is 75 inches and Dolls Sheep is 120 inches.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Ah, see, that's where I was off.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  Um, Shyrus Moose inhabited parts of southern B.C. in Alberta in Canada, and mountainous regions of Washington, Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado in the U.S. The world record archery Shyrus is 192 inches and was killed in Colorado. Has anybody in the room gone through the process of submitting an animal to Pope and Young?

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Nope. No.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  I haven't either, so I think maybe with that bull of mine, we should do that. And we'll have a little experience with it.

• 13:50Speaker 04

  If you'd have asked me before right now what the Pope and Young Minimum score for a Shyrus Moose is, I don't think I would have been within 40 inches.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  No, me neither. I would have been way higher.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  They don't have great big giant scores. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, they score them weird.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  They do. All right, on to question two.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  The next question falls into our conservation vertical. In forestry, what does the acronym DBH stand for?

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Little bone here from my buddy Seth. I know that Dr. Strickland's gonna have this one right as well. The question again is, in forestry, what does the acronym DBH stand for?

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Like I said, bones here for Seth and Bronson. Their boards are down. Everybody else is thinking.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  Ask me about BBD and I could tell you all day.

• 15:03Speaker 06

  Big bull down?

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Sorry, big bear down.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Once again, the question is, in forestry, what does the acronym DBH stand for?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  This is one that Jennifer got correct. Which is not gonna help anybody.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  She's an ecologist.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  She's an ecologist.

• 15:37Speaker 04

  Do you have this right, Brody? No. No. Good.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Everybody have a question or an answer that's gonna have an answer?

• 15:48Speaker 04

  Questions, for sure.

• 15:53Speaker 04

  Yanni, have you seen Breaking Bad?

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:55Speaker 04

  This is like the fly episode of Breaking Bad now, in here.

• 15:59Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't remember that episode. I didn't see, it got too long for me.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  Oh, it only got better though, bud.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Well, that might maybe, but when they can't wrap it up, I don't like it.

• 16:08Speaker 04

  The fly episode was controversial. It was the lowest rated episode of the highest rated season. Oh, it's a good episode. Yeah, no, I liked it.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Now I have to go back and watch it.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Sam?

• 16:21Speaker 05

  Oh, give me a sec.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  You about done writing?

• 16:23Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  You drawing pictures?

• 16:26Speaker 04

  Look through that deer management thing, see if you can find it in there.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  There might be a tip in there.

• 16:33Speaker 05

  I took a couple extra minutes to read that.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. Bronson says, "Diameter, breast height, Sam, density by 100, Spencer, dead buck habitat, Corey, dig big holes, Seth, diameter, breast height, Brody, deer and bear habitat." The correct answer is, "Diameter at breast height." Wow. According to the book Managing Oak Forests in the Eastern United States, foresters commonly evaluate the diameter of a tree at a standard height above ground to ensure consistency. Because trees have more swelling as you get closer to the ground, a measurement there would result in a greater diameter than if you measured two, four, or six feet above ground. So, years ago, this standard was developed at four and a half feet above ground. At this height,

• 17:19Speaker 02

  most of the swell is gone and it is a convenient height for most adults. In fact, because 4.5 feet above ground approximates breast height, the measure has come to be known as diameter of breast height, or DBH. Ronson, tell us why DBH is important to a whitetail deer hunter?

• 17:37Speaker 03

  In terms of managing your forest and in terms of monetizing the sale of your trees, you've got to keep track of what is the DBH, and the basal area, and the inventory, and the board feet, et cetera, et cetera. So you can figure out either when to thin that stand for management, or the final harvest. So that is the way, that would be the equivalent of Boone and Crockett's score. For me and a deer, DBH is to a forester.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Yep. I feel like when I jumped into that whole habitat management thing, three, four years ago, that was like one of the first things where I was like, "What?" And then basal area kind of falls on the heels of that, and that was, that took a lot longer to understand than diameter of breast height. But either way, I feel like it's one of the first things that you kind of, you have to learn when you're looking at managing the forest. On to question number... Oh, somehow my numbers went away. I think it's three.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Hope you guys like this one. How many waypoint icons that specifically use the term whitetail does OnX have?

• 18:46Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Great question.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  I'll repeat the question. How many waypoint icons that specifically use the term whitetail does OnX have?

• 19:02Speaker 02

  What I love about it is that everybody here has used icons that say this.

• 19:10Speaker 06

  No, I haven't.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  You come on. Never once?

• 19:13Speaker 06

  No, it's been a minute since I've really thought about whitetails when I'm looking at Onyx.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  But how many?

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Cory sees a whitetail, he's like, Mark, this is the wrong place to be.

• 19:23Speaker 06

  I grew up hunting them, but it's been a minute.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Well, I was telling Bronson before we got started that when I first heard that bull bugle on Tuesday, I was like, oh, he's in the whitetail meadow. Cause there's this one meadow that just always has, sometimes it's a doe, sometimes it's a buck, but there's like always a whitetail deer in this spot. And but today there was a bull, or that day there was a nice six point bull.

• 19:47Speaker 04

  I aspire to be as organized as some folks on Onyx where I would have a whitetail icon for something. But it's mostly X's. A lot of them are red.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  My favorite icon to lay down is when I do, whether it's a whitetail icon or a elk icon, and then I color them black. And it has someone's initials and the date. And that serves as where the spot of where that animal died.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  My favorite icon is green because that's what I do when I have hunting permission on a place. Green means go. If I have a lot of green, it's looking up for me.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Nice. I like it. All right. Does everybody have an answer written down? It should be a number. Again, how many waypoint icons that specifically use the term whitetail does Onyx have? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Bronson, eight. Sam, two. Spencer, one. Cory, two. Seth, two. Brody, two. We have one correct answer. It is one, which is-

• 20:48Speaker 04

  Just a buck?

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Buck whitetail.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  I thought maybe, maybe a scrape or maybe doe.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they don't have, they don't use the term whitetail in it. The other deer related icons are named doe, buck mule deer, and just simply buck. Obviously, yeah, we have other ones that are related, but um, yeah, only one that uses the term whitetail.

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  Onto the next question. Which cartridge has produced the most combined typical and non-typical whitetail deer entries in the Boone and Crockett record books?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  That's not right. Time's up.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  I thought I messed up, Phil.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  22 rim fire.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  At night. That'd be a problem. Sam, you're not gonna even write one down? I'm thinking. Okay. Again, which cartridge has produced the most combined typical and non-typical whitetail deer entries in the Boone and Crockett record books?

• 25:39Speaker 02

  You see how I hyphenated whitetail deer?

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  I'm just, that's just for Pat Durkin.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 25:45Speaker 06

  And half a finger, isn't he a?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Is he big on that too?

• 25:49Speaker 06

  Is he? I can't remember.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  I think he is.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Wait, you, you intentionally put the hyphen?

• 25:57Speaker 06

  Whitetail.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  It should be white hyphen tailed.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Oh, then I messed up. Space deer, you're right.

• 26:06Speaker 06

  How do you write it, Dr. Strickland?

• 26:08Speaker 03

  White hyphen tailed.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I meant to do. Sorry, Pat.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  This is just the honest version.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  We were talking earlier how it takes a, it takes a, a strong human to say, "I messed up." "I'm wrong."

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Congrats to you on that.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Everybody have an answer?

• 26:32Speaker 04

  I bet this cartridge just blows the other ones out of the water. I would assume it's not close.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 26:38Speaker 06

  That's what I'm hoping too.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  It's, uh, very interesting, uh, flavor text here to, here to come.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  I'm excited.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Sam?

• 26:46Speaker 05

  No idea.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Come on, we'll write a popular cartridge.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got something.

• 26:50Speaker 06

  Or an unpopular one.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. Bronson says thirty ought six, Sam three hundred, Spencer thirty ought six, Corey thirty ought six, Seth thirty thirty, Brody thirty ought six, the room did well. The correct answer is thirty ought six.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Do you have, do you have the top five?

• 27:09Speaker 06

  There's one, baby.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Or something?

• 27:10Speaker 02

  I don't quite have top five, but...

• 27:12Speaker 04

  I would guess number two is maybe like a two seventy?

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Okay, so, let me read the flavor text and then we can discuss. Thirty ought six has a total five hundred fifty-five entries. Second place is the twelve gauge shotgun with five hundred thirty-six. And now I know it's not technically a cartridge, but I thought it was worth mentioning as method of take. Actual second place cartridge is the two seventy.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Even more interestingly, I found...

• 27:43Speaker 02

  That if you add up all of the different draw weights of compounds and include longbows and recurves, because for some reason, they like to break it out by like forty-five to fifty-five, fifty-five to seventy and seventy up or whatever. If you add all of those up, that accounts for one thousand four hundred twenty entries. So like, people are hammering

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Boone and Crockett's with their bows, right? Uh, that's also not including the eight hundred fifty-eight entries from crossbows, which I found, which I found interesting. So like, both of those beat the, uh, Sure, because they're hunting during the rut. In some states. In a lot of states.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  I am still surprised that twelve gauge would be that high.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I just think there's a lot of, uh, shotgun-only states. You know? Um, if you're interested in messing around with that kind of information, I found this all, uh, using Boone and Crockett's Big Game Records Live Weapon Visualizer, uh, which is a lot of fun to play around with.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. I think you have to be a member, though, to use it.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  You do.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yep. Uh, was that five, Phil? Was that four? Nope, that was four. Okay. Number five. What is the name of the hardened fibrous tissue that replaces a whitetail deer's upper incisor teeth?

• 29:03Speaker 02

  The room looks shocked. Wait.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I guess I can read it. What is the name of the hardened fibrous tissue that replaces a whitetail deer's upper incisor teeth?

• 29:15Speaker 04

  Bronson doesn't have an answer yet either.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 29:18Speaker 04

  That makes me feel better about not knowing it.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  So like, the deer doesn't have teeth there. But in place of those teeth, there is a tissue there. We've all carved it off, probably preparing our skulls for boiling.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  And it has a name.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  This might be the hardest one.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Number six is gonna be a softball, okay? Don't get too down on yourself.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  All right, we're ready.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Uh, Dr. Strickland, do you feel like at times in your life or your career, you have known the name of this fibrous tissue?

• 30:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 30:06Speaker 03

  No, I don't.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  I imagine it's the same on an elk.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  It's a little bit of a trick question, though.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  You think?

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 06

  Uh-oh.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 30:19Speaker 06

  Big trouble in Little China.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  How would it be the same on an elk?

• 30:26Speaker 02

  They have the same thing.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Then what's an ivory?

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Well, those would be like canines or tusks. But I'm talking like, like these teeth here.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  Up fronters.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:39Speaker 06

  Up fronters.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  Like, they don't have those teeth. Gotcha.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Instead, there's a hardened fibrous tissue. Yeah.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  The answer is surprisingly simple.

• 30:55Speaker 06

  Uh, yeah.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  But...

• 30:56Speaker 06

  Sweet.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  You got it, Corey?

• 31:01Speaker 06

  I think so, actually, after that last little hit bit.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Brody's still thinking. I, I gotta say, so when you, when you host a trivia episode, I usually have like a list of running questions. And then Spencer lets me in on this document that has every question's ever been asked of me to trivia.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  And if you're lucky, only like one or two of your questions have already been asked. I had four that hit me yesterday at like 5:00 PM, like, "Cawly!"

• 31:31Speaker 04

  Give me an example of one.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Uh, piebald had been used, um...

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Okay, I'd have to look at the other ones, but, uh, yeah. It's a bummer.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  This was a replacement one that you were...

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Uh, you know, maybe.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  Um, all right, go ahead and reveal your answers.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Bronson says cartilage, Sam bucktooth. That's a good one. Spencer Fang Tissue, Corey Calcium. Seth without an answer and Brody says gums. That's a zero percenter today. The answer is dental pad.

• 32:07Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  The dental pad acts as a cutting board for the lower incisors to cut against. The hard rubbery pad helps them efficiently gather large quantities of plant matter by pinching it between the pad and their bottom teeth. The clip food then moves to the molars where it is ground into finer particles for digestion. Remember that for a zero percenter in upcoming one. Dental pad.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Bronson, what do you think of a dental pad? Was that somewhere in your brain?

• 32:34Speaker 03

  I have heard that, but many, many, many years ago.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Well, when I knew Bronson was coming on, I'm like, I gotta have a couple of hard ones. All right, since that was question five, it's time for a scoreboard update. Phil?

• 32:46Speaker 06

  Ooh.

• 32:47Speaker 05

  At halftime, Sam James is not currently on the board yet. Zero points. Corey Kalkins has one point. All tied up with two are Brody, Seth and our guest Bronson Strickland. And in first place, our host Spencer Neuharth with three points.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  No surprise. Anybody's game, anybody's game. Sam, I think you're still in it big time. All right, on to question number six. The fish, fillets, sweet meat, breakfast loins, weenie loins and mud veins are all nicknames for what chunk of meat in a deer?

• 33:26Speaker 06

  Is this an Upper Midwest thing?

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Come on, I know you've heard of one of those nicknames.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  Again, the question is, the fish, fillets, sweet meat, breakfast loins, weenie loins and mud veins are all nicknames for what chunk of meat in a deer?

• 33:45Speaker 04

  I like this. I haven't heard.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  We use the fish a lot.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  Really?

• 33:48Speaker 02

  You use that term? Yep. I think that's one of the more popular ones.

• 33:53Speaker 06

  The fish.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Ask him to use it in a sentence.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  No, I think that would reveal the answer.

• 34:03Speaker 06

  Sweet meat.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Looks like half of the room's feeling pretty confident.

• 34:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's definitely Upper Midwest, Northeast thing.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Oh, did you get him?

• 34:17Speaker 04

  No, he did not. Yanni took a swipe at the fly.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  Need to bring Steve's, uh, Steve's, uh, salt shotgun in. If we had that salt gun.

• 34:25Speaker 06

  The salt rifle.

• 34:26Speaker 02

  Okay, does anybody need more time? Everybody have an answer? All right, reveal your answers. Ronson, tenderloins, Sam, tenderloins, Spencer, tenderloins, tenderloins, tenderloins. The correct answer is tenderloins. This is the deer's equivalent to filet mignon. The muscle is used very little by deer, making it extremely tender. I, I searched for a while, as much time as I could give it. Like, what does that muscle do? Do you know, Ronson? Like, what it, it doesn't do much, we know that, but what is its purpose?

• 35:00Speaker 06

  Hip thrusts.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 35:03Speaker 06

  Wouldn't it be late, early November hip thrusting would be my answer.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Well, you know, jokingly, I have heard that multiple times. That the only time they use that muscle is when they get up on their hind feet. I don't know.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  Maybe nothing, and that's why it's so small, just being phased down.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  You're right, you're right. Maybe the does are even tender, because they use them, they don't have to get on their back, back legs. Um, the mud veins, I've only heard that one time, but I had an elk hunting client who was lucky enough to draw one of Michigan's, uh, elk tags. Kills a bull, and the guide is gutting it, and he goes, "Hey, what do you want me to do with the mud veins?" Maybe they're called mud veins because they use that muscle when they're taking a poo. Well, maybe. Well, but this guy's answer was...

• 35:48Speaker 04

  Close to the guts.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  He's like, "Oh, what are the mud veins?" He's like, "Oh, these things right here, like, they taste like mud, they're close to guts, they're no good."

• 35:56Speaker 04

  Whoa, tastes like mud.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  I, I take them out and I feed them to my dog.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  I've heard people talk about it that way before.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, but this client that I was guiding was like, "Yeah, I don't think so. Go ahead and put those in my cooler."

• 36:10Speaker 02

  You're not taking my mud veins.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  All right, next question is also a listener submitted question. It was submitted by Morgan Burks of West Virginia. And for sending this great question, Morgan is going to get a board game signed by the crew. And if you want a chance to win listener question of the week, or maybe there's two that week, then send your question to trivia at the meat eater dot com. The question is, what state has the highest number of Boone and Crockett entries for whitetail deer?

• 36:42Speaker 04

  This is a fun one.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Now Bronson, you do some work with Boone and Crockett, correct?

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Uh huh. I'm a professional member.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Okay. Being a professional member, do you feel like these Boone and Crockett questions are like, is it helping you?

• 37:01Speaker 03

  I'm at no advantage.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  No advantage.

• 37:03Speaker 03

  So ever. No, no. There's a few. Yeah.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  Not like us amateur members.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Again, the question is, what state has the highest number of Boone and Crockett entries for whitetail deer?

• 37:20Speaker 07

  As of when?

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Uh, at like what?

• 37:26Speaker 04

  Five P M.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Yesterday.

• 37:27Speaker 07

  Twenty five?

• 37:28Speaker 02

  Yesterday. Yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 07

  Cause I feel like there could have been some changes over time.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  Oh, Seth has destroyed the fly. He now has fly guts on his hat. Well done Seth. You saved the day.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Getting sick of that thing.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  We could have used you here like three hours ago.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Speaking of hats, I got one of those camouflage wired to hunt hats. It's got a little rope on it, just like that one. It's got a little eight point running across it. I heard it's on sale. It's on sale, but it's also become my first and ever lucky hunting hat. I've never had one and it just happened to be.

• 38:06Speaker 04

  Dang.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  That I killed a caribou and a bull wearing that hat. And usually I don't like going into the woods with just a regular ball cap. I feel like I get sweaty and I'd much rather have something that's a little more techie that drives faster. But I walked in the woods wearing that hat, killed a bull.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Good.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  So.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  It's the most popular hat in our office. So it might be a few people's lucky hunting hat soon.

• 38:27Speaker 06

  You have to let me get a lick of that hat. Rub off some of that good luck.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Yeah, it's in the truck.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  You pervert. You would.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  You ready, Brody? All right, reveal your answers.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Bronson, Wisconsin, Sam, Nebraska, Spencer, Wisconsin, the rest of the state says Wisconsin. You are correct. Wisconsin comes in up top with 1,822 entries.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  Can we guess the others? Do you have the rest?

• 38:56Speaker 02

  I have the next four.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  Uh, Texas, Pennsylvania.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Pennsylvania is not on there. Michigan. They just kill so many deer.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Illinois, Ohio.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  Illinois, Kansas.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  Ohio.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Illinois is sec- sorry, Illinois is second with 1,445.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  Minnesota.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Kansas.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Followed by Iowa at 1,330, Minnesota, 1,194. And rounding out the top five is Ohio with 1,049.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I probably would have put Iowa as number one. I think if I would have been asked that question. But as we've talked before with you Spencer, you feel like this is, there's a bias there because you feel like Wisconsinites are just more into the whole Boone and Crockett process in the books. And so they just submit more deer to Boone and Crockett.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  That, and I think Wisconsin kills way more deer than Iowa.

• 39:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, you can, you can also go kill two bucks there every year. Whereas Iowa's, you know, takes the average draw.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Iowa and all that.

• 40:04Speaker 05

  Four years to draw or whatever.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  And numbers wise, they have a bigger deer population. So they're going to produce more Boone and Crockett's.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  More Boone and Crockett's. There we go. This is great having Bronson here. I hope we can keep him around for a whole week of content. Okay, next question. We're still, we're hanging out in the, uh, record book category. In what state were the world record archery typical and non-typical whitetail bucks killed?

• 40:36Speaker 04

  World record.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Well, it's one state.

• 40:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  In what state were the world record archery typical and non-typical bucks killed?

• 40:46Speaker 04

  But currently, the current world record.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  They are current world records. Unless I did my research wrong and misread something. I believe that both of them are from this state.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Again, the question-

• 41:16Speaker 04

  Have you hunted this state?

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Hi, that could give away, that'd be a little too much info. The question is-

• 41:25Speaker 04

  Have I hunted this-

• 41:26Speaker 02

  In what state were the world record archery typical and non-typical bucks killed?

• 41:34Speaker 04

  Got an answer, Seth?

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Did we, did we have one of these people on the podcast?

• 41:38Speaker 06

  Oh, come on now, simmer down.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  Just curious.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Um-

• 41:46Speaker 04

  Don't answer that.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  I can't answer it. I don't think it's gonna help.

• 41:51Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  You say-

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Can't answer, but you're not going to. Hmm? Do you want me to?

• 41:58Speaker 04

  No, I'd say don't.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 41:59Speaker 06

  Let's just wait just a little bit.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Cause if Bronson hasn't listened to that episode, it'd give the rest of you an unfair advantage.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Okay, do you guys need more time? We're ready to go.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Everybody's got state written down, reveal your answers.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  Bronson, Kansas, Sam, Iowa, Spencer, Illinois, Corey, Indiana, Seth, Kansas, Brody, Kansas. We have again, one correct answer, it is Illinois.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Oh, I saw Indiana, I'm like, that one.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  I thought it was gonna be Indiana.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  Me too.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Mel Johnson killed the world record typical in 1965 with the Tradbow. And Luke Brewster killed the world record non-typical in 2018, um, I believe it was with a compound. Johnson's typical scores 204 and 4 eights. Brewster's non-typical scores 327, 7 eights. Johnson killed his on October 29th and Brewster on November 2nd. Proving that late October and early November are great timeframes to be in the woods if you're looking for a monster buck.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  I interviewed Luke when he killed that buck and wrote about it on our website, so you could go find something on the meat eater. And you got that question, right? Yes. Yeah. I was at a big advantage there.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Good job.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  I remember Luke Brewster's buck.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I found it great that the guy killed it with a Tradbow.

• 43:21Speaker 04

  Well, what year was it?

• 43:22Speaker 02

  65.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  Oh, come on.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  I know, but there was probably a couple of wheeled bows around.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Sure. But-

• 43:29Speaker 02

  I don't think it's that unusual.

• 43:30Speaker 04

  He wasn't a 30 30 though.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  He was also wearing a flannel shirt, no camo.

• 43:36Speaker 06

  Probably.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  Luke Brewster's buck, if you think you know what a giant, non-typical world record whitetail looks like, you actually don't. Like, you need to go see pictures of it. It's that insane. There's just so much antler happening and so much of it coming towards the ground as opposed to vertically.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  It's a big buck.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's amazing. I bet it's heavy. I'd like to know how much those antlers weigh.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 06

  It's got mass and he's heavy.

• 44:03Speaker 02

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• 44:08Speaker 04

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• 46:46Speaker 02

  How many states can you legally hunt whitetail deer in?

• 46:52Speaker 02

  I didn't hyphenate it this time.

• 46:57Speaker 06

  How many states?

• 47:02Speaker 06

  It's a lot of them.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Yes, it is a lot of them. You might think about counting the ones that you can't hunt them in to get your answer.

• 47:19Speaker 06

  It's whitetail, including cows?

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  Like the pronunciation, Ronson.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Again, the question is, how many states can you legally hunt whitetail deer in?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Lot of thinking going on in here. Very warm in this room when we get late in the game.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Brody's got an answer. Bronson's writing one down. I think everybody's got something written down. Swinging for the fences on this one. Alright fellas. This is question nine, Yanis. What? It is. Well, we could, let's do our score update before you reveal the answer. We'll do it after nine, I guess.

• 48:23Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Sorry. Again, when I copy and paste, it's something went wrong with the formatting. Uh, go ahead and reveal your answers.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Bronson, forty-five, Sam, forty-three, Spencer, forty-five, Corey, forty-nine, Seth, forty-seven, and Brody, forty-nine. Spencer and Bronson got it correct.

• 48:40Speaker 04

  I thought it could be a trick, like you can legally kill them in Alaska despite them not living there.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  That's what I was thinking. Like, they, if they're there, you can shoot them.

• 48:50Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Yep. Maybe I should have phrased it differently. But you got it. The way I, I was thinking through it. Yep. Uh, the ones you cannot hunt whitetail deer in are Alaska, Hawaii, Nevada, California, and Utah. Um, AI actually tried to tell me that Arizona didn't either, but we all know it's not true because Arizona's packed with cows deer. Which are a whitetail. What were the states you can't again? Uh, Alaska, Hawaii, Nevada, California, and Utah.

• 49:21Speaker 04

  I wrote down Oregon, but they must have a season for the Columbia whitetail.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can't hunt them in Utah. Not that I saw.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  You, you can kill them in the northern part of the state. I looked at doing it there once because they have some whitetail habitat.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  But do they have a whitetail season or a whitetail tag?

• 49:38Speaker 04

  I don't know. My guess is no, it's just deer. Um, and I remember when I was looking into it, it was like once every few years, somebody would kill one, like right on the Utah border.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  And there's no Colombian whitetail in California?

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Hmm, I don't think so.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  I think you can hunt them.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  The only place I could find Colombian whitetail was, uh...

• 50:01Speaker 02

  No, uh, I think it was Oregon.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm only seeing a mule deer.

• 50:07Speaker 05

  Season.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Can we move on or do we need to make adjustments?

• 50:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, we'll all just get that one correct.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  Um, I, I think the game would be more interesting if I got it wrong, which I think I probably did because I think Brody is right about um, Utah not being one of them.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Oh, so you think it's 46?

• 50:25Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  That means everybody got it wrong then.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Cause nobody had 46, right?

• 50:30Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, you should look it up. See, is it legal to kill whitetails in Utah? I'm sure.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Bill, are you on it?

• 50:38Speaker 05

  Uh, well, I mean, I mean, yeah, that's what I just, I just looked up. I'm, and so far I'm, I'm only seeing mule deer for having um, like an archery and rifle season in general. Oh yeah, I'm not, I, I specifically searched for whitetail as well. And the first thing that came up is mule deer, but I, I'm not, I haven't dug deep at all. So.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Going to the deep AI mode.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Do a, do your scoreboard update and the uh, correct answer review and I will try to get an answer in the meantime.

• 51:04Speaker 05

  Let's do it. Well, if, if there are no revisions to the score, Spencer does indeed win the game because he cannot be caught by the second place player, who is our guest Bronson. With five points, Spencer has seven and then behind them are Brody and Seth with four, Corey with three and Sam with one.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Bronson, excellent showing.

• 51:22Speaker 06

  Well, thank you. Yes, is it is legal to kill white tail in Utah, but only if you obtain the proper hunting license and permit.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  All right. So technically.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  Was that an AI answer?

• 51:35Speaker 06

  Well, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at some more stuff.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they're always right.

• 51:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Okay, for a correct question.

• 51:42Speaker 06

  Maybe not. Oh, I don't know. You'd have to dig deeper.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Correct question review. Question one, was Shire's moose? Two, diameter at breast height. Three, one, four, 30 ot six Springfield. Five, dental pad. Six, the inner loins or tender loins. Seven, Wisconsin. Eight, 45.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Are you sure? Am I just doing my math wrong? Did I do four twice? Again, this num- this numbering thing is really messing me up.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Uh, you had 10 questions, Yanis. I didn't, I didn't, you know, I, I made sure to count them. We've done nine questions.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  Uh, here's a forum from 2018.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  For nine.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  A forum for 2018 that's not necessarily accurate that are saying, uh, whitetails are protected in Utah. So I don't know if that is legit or not.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, it's not going to change the score unfortunately today because you and Bronson had the same, uh, answers, so. Uh, it would just deduct one from each of you guys.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Oops.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  But it would make it a, it'd make it a real, uh, real, uh, battle for second, I guess, if Bronson was down to four.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  Let's bring them back down.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Oh. Let's go on to question 10.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Is there a chance? Nope. No chance for a tiebreaker.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  Using USDA calculations, order these meats in caloric density from highest to lowest. Lean ground beef, skin-on pheasant, venison, and catfish fillets.

• 53:22Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 53:25Speaker 04

  Lean ground beef.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  I got this information by literally going to their, uh, website and just punching in calories. One pound. And then the name of the meat. They have, they had it as venison, not broken out by species, huh? Nope.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  High is the lowest.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Yep. Which one has the most calories down to the least?

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Dumb question. Is lean ground beef, like relatively lean, the proportion of fat in it is less or zero-fat ground beef?

• 54:08Speaker 02

  Um, I think lean's like anything like 90 and. Well, they have one that's called 90% lean.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think they can call it lean unless it's a certain. Yeah. Percentage. But I don't know what that percentage is.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Either way.

• 54:43Speaker 06

  Different than my answer, I'll tell you that.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  The question is, using USDA calculations, order these meats in caloric density from highest to lowest. Lean ground beef, skin on pheasant, venison, and catfish fillets. Looks like the USDA defines lean as being at least 90.

• 55:05Speaker 06

  I'm just trying to hit that Jennifer index.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Are you close?

• 55:09Speaker 06

  I'm at three. Oh, answers? Oh shit, different than yours.

• 55:12Speaker 04

  Oh. I would really disagree.

• 55:16Speaker 06

  I don't think I disagree. I mean, just going by personal preference here, maybe.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Everybody have an answer?

• 55:31Speaker 06

  Where'd these catfish come from?

• 55:34Speaker 03

  I got a buddy, boys. That's a valid question.

• 55:37Speaker 06

  I mean.

• 55:38Speaker 03

  Were they farm-raised?

• 55:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Seth's Pond.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  It is a valid question.

• 55:42Speaker 06

  What's he eating on?

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Yep, again, again, this is what the USDA said for a pound of catfish fillets.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  If they're Mississippi Delta farm-raised aquaculture, there'll be a lot of fat in the fish.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I feel like those flatheads that we caught on the Missouri, they had a lot of fat, too.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  I was operating as though this was a channel catfish.

• 56:07Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the thing, is there's a lot of nonspecificity in these. I was thinking of the.

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Oh, you were picturing a flathead?

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  Okay, I was picturing a channel.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  I'll bet you that's what they're going off. You guys all ready to reveal your answers, please? Bronson says, ground beef, pheasant, catfish, venison. Sam, beef, pheasant, venison, catfish. Spencer, beef, venison. Pheasant, catfish, Corey, pheasant, venison, catfish, beef, Seth, catfish, beef, venison, pheasant, Brody, pheasant, catfish, lean ground beef, venison. Okay, I think we have one person right, and I think that that's Bronson.

• 56:49Speaker 05

  No, it was Sam.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Oh, it's Sam?

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Oh, way to go, bud.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, venison is last.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, Bronson's got it.

• 56:59Speaker 05

  I was, okay, Yannis, the formatting of this document is a nightmare. Hey, look who it is.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 57:04Speaker 05

  Hey, Steven Rinella.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  Ask him, he'll tell you the answer. Which of those has the most calories?

• 57:08Speaker 05

  You don't know.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  And for a pound.

• 57:12Speaker 06

  Slice, slice of pizza.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Who has the most calories? Who has the least? Oh, what's the question?

• 57:19Speaker 04

  Why don't you read the answer, and whoever has it will raise their hand.

• 57:23Speaker 06

  How's, uh, how's, uh, Bronson doing?

• 57:25Speaker 02

  The correct order is lean ground beef, skin on pheasant, catfish, venison.

• 57:31Speaker 05

  Hmm, okay, so Bronson did get that one.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:34Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  For a pound of meat, lean ground beef has 1,250 calories, skin on pheasant has 672, catfish fillets have 653, and venison has a mere 544 calories. Is that losing? Which is why we're always adding fat to our ground meat and cooking our steaks in butter.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  So, that makes Spencer our winner. Hey. Oh, you what? Spencer wins every time I host. I don't know how that happens.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  Well, you guess host the most, so that makes a difference. We must just share the same brain, Yanni.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  I guess so, I guess so.

• 58:13Speaker 05

  He's seen all these questions before in the thing.

• 58:15Speaker 06

  Access to documents.

• 58:16Speaker 04

  And he interviewed the guy who had the word.

• 58:18Speaker 02

  These are original questions.

• 58:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you said you went through the pool of questions that Spencer has.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  That's a sheet that has every question from the board game.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  That's ever been used.

• 58:27Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  And if I, if my question comes up there, I can't use it.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 58:31Speaker 04

  I smell collusion, too.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  For that reason.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, come on.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  Um, okay, thank you all for playing. Uh, remember again, it's white sale week. Go check out the great sales, great stuff we have, uh, at meter.com, firstlight.com. Anything else to add, Spencer, after your great win here?

• 58:47Speaker 04

  I don't have to buy a yearly membership anymore now to NDA.

• 58:51Speaker 06

  Way to go.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  No, he's not. What do you want? What do you want, Steve?

• 58:55Steven Rinella?

  I was curious from a listener perspective, do people appreciate your hosting?

• 58:59Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know. I have to ask Spencer.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 59:01Speaker 06

  We'll find out.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  They like some variety. Read the comments.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Read the comments. I will. So, thank you all for playing and listening along at home. We'll see you next week on Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. Thank you.

• 59:16Speaker 04

  Thanks, Johnny.

• 59:17Speaker 05

  Thanks, Johnny.

• 59:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, Spencer from South Dakota, he's the host. Using those smooth, mellow tones, he lays them questions down.

• 59:32Speaker 07

  And he likes taking those two and three-year-old bucks.

• 59:36Speaker 07

  And he's an avid amateur.

• 59:40Speaker 07

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