Pod Insights The MeatEater Podcast Ep. 720: Beaver Castor Moonshine and Will Primos' Shotguns About this episode Steven Rinella https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella/?hl=en talks with Will Primos https://www.thetruthaboutconservation.com, Ryan Callaghan https://www.instagram.com/olcal406/, Cory Calkins https://www.instagram.com/cman_calkins/?hl=en, Randall Williams https://www.instagram.com/randall__williams/, Phil Taylor https://www.instagram.com/philtaylor25/?hl=en, and Corinne Schneider https://www.instagram.com/corinnesschneider/?hl=en.
Topics Discussed: Taking a swig of pickled castor; turkey strategy and the turkey you can't seem to kill; how you keep fish nice; sharp breasted vs. round breasted; etiquette on tipping hunting and fishing guides; Will Primos' Purdey shotguns are up for auction to benefit conservation https://www.thetruthaboutconservation.com/#:~:text=The%20campaign%20will%20offer%20a,%2C%2016%2C%20%26%2012%20gauges.; Will's organization, Steward Link https://www.stewardlink.com; and more.
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3:15 Steven Rinella? Joined today by my favorite senior citizen.
3:22 Steven Rinella? By far, Will Primos is here. Will Primos joined us back on episode 593, and we talked about a gun auction that was coming up later this year, where Will had, over the years, collected a collection of?
3:35 Speaker 03 Purdy hammer guns.
3:37 Steven Rinella? Purdy.
3:38 Speaker 03 P U R D E Y, Purdy.
3:39 Steven Rinella? Purdy hammer gun, shotguns. How many in the collection?
3:43 Speaker 03 Five.
3:45 Steven Rinella? And, uh, they're nice guns. This is a valuable collection. And Will was telling us how he is donating these guns for an auction, for a conservation fundraiser. He's just giving them up, the whole collection. And I said, man, when that happens, you should come back on the show. You can come on the show anytime you want, but I said, you should come back on the show. And we'll talk about the auction and plug the auction. So we're going to get around to that and do that. Um, and, and talk about some other stuff you got going on and this, the organization. Um, at steward.
4:18 Speaker 03 Steward link.
4:19 Steven Rinella? Oh, what am I reading?
4:20 Speaker 03 Steward link.com.
4:21 Steven Rinella? I'm writing asked, yeah, steward, steward, not steward. I keep seeing it like a name.
4:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:26 Steven Rinella? Like, like a dude named steward.
4:27 Speaker 03 The steward.
4:28 Steven Rinella? Picture a guy named that.
4:29 Speaker 03 The steward of the land is the person who owns it and farms it or leases it and farm it. Whoever has control of the land is the steward.
4:36 Steven Rinella? Got it.
4:37 Speaker 03 And so we are the link for the steward to the NRCS offices, FSA offices, carbon sequestration companies. Anything that benefits the land, anything that can help you provide income to afford land or to make it better. To conserve water, uh, variable rate pesticide programs, variable rate, uh, fertilizer programs. Uh, equip leveling land so it can be easier to irrigate it, whatever it might be. And all this got started because, uh, Nick Thomas, the founder helped me with my farm and I couldn't get anybody to help me with anything on my farm.
5:11 Steven Rinella? Got it.
5:11 Speaker 03 And then over a, a number of years, he got probably, I mean, you know, telling hundreds of thousands of dollars. I stopped, I stopped the, the water from going into the creek and eroding the land and filling the creek in. I planted trees along the bank, stopped all that, put land back into trees. Did warm season grasses, restored the quail. So it's just tons of things you can do and you can get their, their, their, their. Excuse me, public and private people that will help, uh, help you provide that.
5:45 Steven Rinella? Got it.
5:45 Speaker 03 Money to do it.
5:46 Steven Rinella? Yeah. My buddy Doug Durn is getting excited right now.
5:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:49 Steven Rinella? Listening.
5:50 Speaker 03 Yeah. Doug Dern needs to know about steward link.
5:51 Steven Rinella? You need to know about Doug Durn. Doug Durn needs to know about steward link.
5:55 Speaker 03 There you go. There you go.
5:56 Steven Rinella? Uh, well, it's a huge shame wrong.
5:58 Speaker 03 I gotta write it on my hand. Uh, you're talking about the senior citizen stuff.
6:02 Steven Rinella? Yeah, I got it bad.
6:03 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yesterday I was so proud. I, I had to get a haircut. And I went to this place called Great Clips and.
6:09 Steven Rinella? That's where I go.
6:11 Speaker 03 And, and the lady.
6:12 Steven Rinella? What'd they stick you for that haircut?
6:13 Speaker 03 Nineteen dollars. I said, how come it's so cheap? She says, cause you're a senior citizen.
6:20 Steven Rinella? I think she was hitting on you. You look great. Phil, I thought something's wrong. We're super loud, man.
6:25 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah. Spencer asked me to turn up the volume on those headphones. I can turn yours down. Oh, yeah.
6:30 Steven Rinella? Hey, hey, you know what? Close your eyes a minute. Corey, block his eyes. Now Phil turned me all the way off. Now, come on, man.
6:37 Speaker 04 It's a sensitive knob.
6:37 Steven Rinella? I want, I want to test, I want Phil to, or what am I saying? I want Will to take a, I want you to smell something.
6:43 Speaker 02 Okay. Oh. There you go. You're on your own, closing your eyes.
6:47 Steven Rinella? Did you turn me? Oh, no. Yeah, it's pretty good. Don't, don't open. I gotta trust you got them open. This is the most intriguing odor.
6:54 Speaker 03 Spill it.
6:55 Steven Rinella? No, I'm not gonna do anything bad to you. It's not a bad, it's not a bad smell. Guide, guide him into that, Corey. Well, no, I'll just put it. Put your hand out, Will.
7:04 Speaker 05 Should we tell the audience what it looks like?
7:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, you're gonna wanna reach out with your left hand.
7:07 Speaker 05 What it looks like.
7:07 Steven Rinella? Me?
7:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, we reach out with your left hand and grab this mason jar.
7:11 Speaker 04 Uh oh.
7:11 Speaker 02 It's to the left of your microphone here.
7:13 Steven Rinella? Yeah, just put it up there.
7:14 Speaker 03 Just feel it.
7:15 Speaker 04 Yeah, this seems like a bad way of doing things.
7:17 Steven Rinella? Yeah, don't spill it.
7:18 Speaker 02 Now, take a whiff.
7:19 Steven Rinella? What are you getting? What are you getting?
7:21 Speaker 02 Can we pass it around?
7:22 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
7:23 Speaker 02 If you pass.
7:25 Speaker 05 What in the heck?
7:28 Steven Rinella? This is my favorite thing I've ever made, man.
7:30 Speaker 05 Should we just, should we describe this to the audience?
7:33 Steven Rinella? Oh, isn't that something?
7:34 Speaker 04 I think I know what it is just by looking at it.
7:35 Steven Rinella? Isn't that something?
7:36 Speaker 04 Well, you're familiar with medicinal marijuana, right?
7:38 Steven Rinella? You don't like the smell?
7:40 Speaker 02 Oh.
7:41 Steven Rinella? Corinne went deep. That's an overreaction.
7:43 Speaker 05 No.
7:43 Speaker 04 Chemistry class, they teach you, teach you to waft first.
7:46 Speaker 02 Or you just smell the lid.
7:47 Speaker 05 Food related, but that's like chemical science class in my nostril.
7:51 Steven Rinella? Chemical?
7:53 Speaker 05 Jeez.
7:54 Speaker 02 I sniffed with my eyes open.
7:55 Steven Rinella? The whole room smells like that.
7:57 Speaker 04 Very familiar smell.
7:58 Speaker 05 So, everybody who's listening, that's like a jar of like brains sitting in soy sauce. That's what it looks like.
8:05 Steven Rinella? Over Will's zone.
8:06 Speaker 03 What is it?
8:07 Steven Rinella? Thoughts.
8:07 Speaker 05 It's like formaldehyde, soy sauce, brains. What is that?
8:12 Speaker 03 Is it really?
8:13 Steven Rinella? That right there is beaver casters soaking in moonshine.
8:18 Speaker 05 I was close on the brain soy sauce.
8:22 Speaker 04 Who's taking a shot?
8:24 Speaker 02 I mean.
8:24 Speaker 03 I, I, I used to trap a lot. And I, and I always said, if anybody wants to torture me, tie me up and feed me casters.
8:35 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
8:35 Speaker 03 I'll die. That's the nastiest smelling stuff.
8:39 Steven Rinella? A little bit now and then is good.
8:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:42 Steven Rinella? A lot often is not good.
8:44 Speaker 03 So I want to see you drink that.
8:46 Steven Rinella? Well, I don't think I'm gonna though. So here's what happened. There's a, there's a, here's why I have this. Oh, it's an intriguing odor.
8:55 Speaker 06 It is really striking.
8:57 Steven Rinella? There's a famous lure maker, still alive, won't come on the podcast.
9:01 Speaker 03 A trapping lure.
9:02 Speaker 06 Lit is not a, there you go.
9:04 Steven Rinella? Won't come on the podcast. Doesn't understand what the, what you're even talking about when you bring it up to him. Mike Marziata is his name.
9:14 Speaker 05 You're listening, you're not listening.
9:16 Steven Rinella? I'm about ready to pay him to come on. I'll be like, okay, listen, okay, don't come, just, I have a job for you.
9:21 Speaker 05 He doesn't know what, yeah.
9:22 Steven Rinella? I have a job and it would be that you come be on the podcast and just don't worry about it. It is, there's a day rate.
9:28 Speaker 05 We should just call it like radio.
9:30 Steven Rinella? Yeah, like whatever we give a camera guy for a day rate. Um, whatever we give a camera guy for a day rate, we'd give Mike Marziata as a day rate to come on the show and talk about trapping lure.
9:41 Speaker 05 We don't pay guests.
9:42 Steven Rinella? He, he has a column in Trapper's Post. He has like a lure making column in Trapper's Post. And in it, he's talking about how over the years, the different ways he's experimented with preserving beaver casters for lure making. And he says, like, um, you can soak them in Everclear. He says you can soak them in cheap wine. And then when you later grind them up to put it, because it's a kind of a universal animal attractant.
10:11 Speaker 06 Yeah.
10:12 Steven Rinella? I happen to have, we quit, me and my wife quit drinking booze. So now we just have booze that just lives in the house and it never goes down.
10:21 Steven Rinella? Right? So I have a bottle of moonshine that I've owned since the beginning of time. And I topped them off with moonshine and I cannot get over the, just how intriguing that smell is.
10:33 Speaker 03 This lure maker will pay you for that formula.
10:37 Speaker 04 Oh, maybe that's your trade goods.
10:38 Steven Rinella? You know what, Mike? If you come on, you can have that job.
10:41 Speaker 06 Do you think that's safe to drink?
10:43 Steven Rinella? Oh, yeah.
10:44 Speaker 06 I mean, that, yeah, you'd think that it would be.
10:46 Steven Rinella? It's just pickled, uh...
10:48 Speaker 06 Glans.
10:50 Steven Rinella? Yeah, pickled glands.
10:50 Speaker 03 But it's got this... It doesn't smell like castor.
10:55 Speaker 06 Mm-mm.
10:55 Speaker 05 Right, that's what, yeah, it doesn't.
10:57 Steven Rinella? No, it's there. No, no, no, no, no.
10:59 Speaker 03 It may be there, but it's something that makes it tolerable.
11:03 Speaker 04 I think it's definitely there.
11:05 Steven Rinella? Just take a big old swig of that, Sam.
11:07 Speaker 03 No, no.
11:09 Steven Rinella? You don't want to get all drunk, do you?
11:11 Speaker 04 Trying to quit, you know?
11:13 Speaker 02 It looks and smells like pickled elk nuts.
11:16 Steven Rinella? Mm-hmm. Doesn't smell like a pickle. Dude, take another whiff.
11:19 Speaker 03 You guys are not, you guys are like not...
11:21 Speaker 02 I like another.
11:21 Steven Rinella? You're not thinking, man.
11:22 Speaker 02 Well, I was thinking about elk nuts when I was smelling it.
11:25 Speaker 04 It smells like castor.
11:27 Steven Rinella? Give him another whiff. Corey, take another whiff.
11:29 Speaker 04 I think it smells like castor.
11:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't.
11:31 Speaker 04 And...
11:31 Steven Rinella? Picture, picture it's May. Picture it's May and you're walking along a stream. Okay?
11:36 Speaker 02 Do that a lot.
11:37 Steven Rinella? Okay, now, take a whiff.
11:39 Speaker 06 And you've got a glass of Everclear in your hand.
11:42 Steven Rinella? And you're drunk on moonshine.
11:45 Speaker 02 Just like smelling the lid, safer.
11:47 Steven Rinella? Let's get in there.
11:48 Speaker 02 No, I did that the first time.
11:50 Speaker 04 Don't spill it in Will's lap.
11:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:52 Steven Rinella? Take a swig.
11:52 Speaker 02 I kind of like...
11:53 Steven Rinella? Take a swig of that. I'd swig, I'd drink it all, but I don't drink.
11:56 Speaker 02 It just smells dangerous.
11:57 Speaker 06 I'll pour it through a coffee filter and drink it.
11:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:00 Speaker 06 If we can strain it a little bit.
12:01 Speaker 05 What, if you, if you, um, consume castor, like, what?
12:07 Speaker 06 Yeah.
12:08 Speaker 05 What, uh...
12:09 Speaker 04 What could happen?
12:10 Speaker 05 Yeah, like, what's, is it, like, packed with vitamins and minerals?
12:13 Steven Rinella? Yeah, it's great for you. It's no different than eating, I mean, you can eat a whole animal.
12:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, they used to...
12:17 Steven Rinella? You can eat a whole beaver. It's not, not a beaver that's going to hurt you.
12:19 Speaker 05 Have you ever made that into jerky? Like, what's the consistency when it's, like, fresh in the body? Is it more like brain? Is it more like liver?
12:26 Steven Rinella? More like brain, but harder. Looks like brain, but when you open it up, it's a paste. There's a paste inside of it.
12:33 Speaker 04 There's like an oily paste and then there's like a...
12:34 Speaker 05 Should we fry castor one day? Like, like, panko fried?
12:37 Steven Rinella? Dude, there's no way I'm eating, no, I'm not eating that. The smell gets, the smell, like Will's saying, the smell gets to you after a while.
12:43 Speaker 06 Your brain starts to think that it's like a... You know, people make, like, apple... They'll make moonshine with, like, apples and cinnamon sticks.
12:52 Steven Rinella? Sure.
12:52 Speaker 04 Yeah, like apple pie.
12:53 Speaker 06 Your brain starts to think that it's cinnamon.
12:56 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
12:57 Speaker 06 And you sort of want it.
12:58 Steven Rinella? Take a big old swig.
13:00 Speaker 05 Should add some star anise to that.
13:02 Steven Rinella? Just take a little. Have you, have you had your brain?
13:04 Speaker 06 I'm not opposed to it.
13:05 Steven Rinella? Here, give me the damn jar.
13:06 Speaker 06 Have you had your brain examined?
13:07 Speaker 05 You know what, Randall, if you take a little shot, I'll take a little shot with you.
13:11 Steven Rinella? Give me the jar.
13:12 Speaker 05 And then we can run in the bathroom and be safe.
13:13 Steven Rinella? You guys are pansies. Now I'm gonna be back, now I'm gonna be back to drinking.
13:18 Speaker 06 I'll drink, I'll drink it, I just, there's a lot of floaties in there that I'm, I don't wanna pick out of my teeth.
13:23 Steven Rinella? We're one day sitting there at the dinner table, and my kid knows that I used to, we used to drink, like, you know, we used to drink like people drink, social, social drinking. And I don't know where he picked up this expression, but my, he was 14. And he says to me, um, Dad, how long you been sober?
13:40 Steven Rinella? I'm like, what? I'm like, that like implies like a whole other level of...
13:46 Speaker 02 Your sobriety journey, I think is what they call it now.
13:49 Speaker 04 Even within the confines of my home, that makes me uncomfortable, so...
13:53 Steven Rinella? I was like, that's like a different thing.
13:59 Steven Rinella? You're nuts. You're nuts.
14:02 Speaker 05 Does it taste like it smells?
14:05 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
14:05 Speaker 06 Wow.
14:06 Steven Rinella? Oh. You're nuts.
14:08 Speaker 02 God, regret that.
14:09 Speaker 06 Hey, you wanna rinse your mouth out with some bear grease?
14:12 Steven Rinella? Cory, talk about your jar now. Phew, I regret that.
14:14 Speaker 02 My jar, oh, well, your guys' jars.
14:17 Steven Rinella? I'm not gonna vomit, I'm gonna go grab a, uh, I'm gonna go grab a sortie pop.
14:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, wash down that castrer.
14:22 Steven Rinella? Wow.
14:23 Speaker 02 Uh, I believe what Steve's referring to are the, all the jars of bear grease that I just passed out. Uh, freshly rendered yesterday, it looks like it still needs to find a cool, dark area to...
14:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm impressed that it's still liquid form here.
14:36 Speaker 02 Well, it sat in the meat eater kitchen all night. Yeah, I'm surprised it is too, but, uh, find a cool, dark pantry and it'll solidify on you.
14:44 Steven Rinella? Sorry, did you, you're explaining this?
14:45 Speaker 02 Yeah. Got a jar of bear grease, I passed out to everybody that wanted one.
14:49 Steven Rinella? And, um, you got it off a spring bear, which is unusual.
14:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:52 Steven Rinella? To get that much.
14:53 Speaker 02 Yeah. I got four gallon Ziploc baggies full of fat off of them, which I always figures each gallon Ziploc's about seven pounds.
15:01 Speaker 05 But that's because it was the biggest bear that ever was.
15:03 Steven Rinella? That's not true.
15:05 Speaker 02 Second biggest bear.
15:07 Steven Rinella? We just, I just, I just held the biggest bear that ever was.
15:12 Steven Rinella? Okay, was it a Boone and Crockett bear?
15:13 Speaker 05 Oh, in Alaska.
15:14 Speaker 02 Well, gotta give it some time to shrink.
15:17 Steven Rinella? Where's it sitting at right now?
15:18 Speaker 02 My garage?
15:19 Steven Rinella? No, no, no. What, what?
15:20 Speaker 02 The skull? Oh, twenty, just over twenty inches.
15:23 Steven Rinella? Yeah, you're gonna make it.
15:24 Speaker 02 It might shrink enough.
15:25 Steven Rinella? Are you, are you, are you drying it in a bucket of water?
15:28 Speaker 02 No.
15:31 Speaker 04 Are you beaded, gonna have a beaded?
15:33 Speaker 02 No, I've already boiled it.
15:34 Speaker 04 Oh, you did?
15:35 Speaker 06 Oh, that's a bummer.
15:36 Speaker 04 Beetles, beetles just make things prettier.
15:39 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. No, this is free, though.
15:41 Speaker 04 I think there's less, less shrinkage with beetles, too.
15:44 Speaker 02 Probably. Yeah, I was always wondering if, if boiling would shrink it. I'm not gonna actually have it officially measured, but it's, it's roughly twenty inches.
15:51 Steven Rinella? Big ol' bear.
15:51 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
15:52 Steven Rinella? I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, uh, I'm just jealous, you know?
15:55 Speaker 04 No, I mean, anything over nineteen inch skulls, I mean, that's a big ol' black bear.
15:58 Speaker 02 Oh, it's a good-looking bear.
15:59 Steven Rinella? I'm just hacking on it because I'm jealous, but when you showed me, I remember saying how big it was.
16:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was asking if you needed the, the shin bones for more halibut hooks.
16:06 Steven Rinella? Well, I got two shin bones and I'm sending, uh, I got two shin bones and I'm sending to Heather's dad, who, who was interested in, in, in, uh, because, do you remember the one I made?
16:18 Speaker 02 Was it last year?
16:19 Steven Rinella? Yeah, so.
16:19 Speaker 02 That was for my bear last year.
16:21 Steven Rinella? No, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. But did you ever see with the finished product? So Heather, Heather DuVille, um, who's a Klingit and lives in southeast Alaska, they make a, oh, oh, halibut hook called a knock, knock.
16:39 Steven Rinella? White folks can't say the word. I've tried a bunch of times.
16:42 Speaker 02 Unless you drink that moonshine, and that's the first thing.
16:45 Speaker 04 I think Corinne said the word earlier.
16:48 Steven Rinella? Yeah, if you drank that bottle, you'd be like, it's a knock.
16:52 Speaker 02 Come out crystal clear.
16:53 Steven Rinella? They make a knock, and it's, uh, they, they, and her father carves them.
17:01 Steven Rinella? Just type up like, um, traditional Klingit halibut hook, and you'll see a picture. Not you, Corey, but I'm just.
17:07 Speaker 02 I'm just curious.
17:08 Speaker 05 L-I-N-G-I-T.
17:09 Steven Rinella? Uh, they use yellow cedar and, and like, um, like a juniper or yew.
17:15 Speaker 04 Yew. Yeah, it's yew.
17:16 Steven Rinella? And they, and, and, but anyways, they make it with a lot of traditional materials. They weighed it with a, just a regular rock. But her father uses stainless steel, the barb, he uses stainless rod. He was explaining to me that traditionally, it was a bear's shin bone.
17:36 Steven Rinella? So I got from Cory's bear last year, I got a shin bone and I made a few prongs and I took one of their NOX and took the stainless off and put the, what I basically took the shin bone, took a portaband, kinda got it roughed in and then I ran it on a, um, you know, I did is I took a Benchmade belt and just slowly like for like five minutes.
18:08 Speaker 04 Like your work sharpener belt.
18:10 Steven Rinella? Yep, shaped that thing. I was quite proud of it.
18:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:13 Steven Rinella? Sent it up to him. I don't know if they've used it yet, but anyways, her dad's kind of a perfectionist. So I'm guessing that he's not happy with, he probably likes the idea, but is not impressed by the execution.
18:23 Speaker 04 It was a nice gesture.
18:24 Steven Rinella? He's like, I could see what he was shooting. He's probably, I'm putting thoughts in his mouth, but he's probably like, I see what this kid was shooting for. Um, and if I had a shin bone, I would perfect. So I'm sending him shin bones to perfect.
18:37 Speaker 04 Do you need more?
18:39 Steven Rinella? No, but I do think the one I made would work. I do think the shin bone I put on there would work. That'd be awesome.
18:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:45 Steven Rinella? But I don't think, I don't know if they've tried it out yet. When I went out with them to set these hooks, I was skeptical. Were you there? Yeah, you were there.
18:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
18:56 Steven Rinella? We went out and set six, we made six sets and you always fish two at a, you fish two next to each other. And she's been on the podcast and explained that you, when you set them out, you, the, the, there's two, you set two hooks next to each other and you implore them to compete with one another. So you're setting them together to, to outshine each other. And when you set them, you encourage them. You're like, go get them. And then you like, your friend's coming to fight you, you know? So you lower it down and we set out six sets. So we set 12 hooks and pulled
19:37 Steven Rinella? like 370 pound plus heavy.
19:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, wow.
19:40 Steven Rinella? Big ones. Like an hour soak.
19:42 Speaker 04 That's cool.
19:42 Steven Rinella? An hour soak.
19:45 Speaker 04 That's fast.
19:45 Steven Rinella? One of them had a, one of them was a double.
19:50 Steven Rinella? Yeah, couldn't believe it. I couldn't have done that with regular hooks.
19:55 Steven Rinella? And that was like not like ideal season. It was late season.
19:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, it was what September?
20:01 Steven Rinella? Was it that early? Yeah, it was a little later. It was kind of after the salmon were done.
20:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think it was late September.
20:08 Steven Rinella? Um.
20:11 Steven Rinella? The soft cover of Catch a Crayfish Counting Stars is out. If you haven't already picked up a soft cover copy, it's out. So that's our kids' activity book. I did two books like back to back. I did Outdoor Kids and Inside World, which is kind of a book for parents or caregivers or aunts and uncles about getting kind of the the philosophy and practice of getting kids engaged with nature. And then the follow up was Catch a Crayfish Counting Stars, which is like an activity book for outdoor kids to um educate, inspire, make them tougher, make them more knowledgeable about nature. Um, it's just little things they can do, projects they can do with help. You know, some things you gotta have a machete or whatever, so you gotta help them out with some stuff, some stuff they can do safely on their own. It came out in hardcover. It was a number one New York Times bestseller. The soft cover is out.
20:56 Steven Rinella? So uh what I keep saying as a joke is if you got a kid that's not good enough.
21:02 Steven Rinella? Not well behaved enough for a hardcover.
21:06 Steven Rinella? Like what kid in America is so bad he can't have a soft cover?
21:10 Speaker 06 I really liked that joke a lot.
21:12 Steven Rinella? I've used it four times. It was the fourth time.
21:16 Speaker 04 How how's it performing on?
21:19 Steven Rinella? No feedback on it. No feedback. It might be like Cory's bear where people are jealous and so they don't say much.
21:25 Speaker 04 Right. Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
21:26 Speaker 06 No, no, I just told you I liked the joke.
21:29 Steven Rinella? I thought you were being facetious.
21:30 Speaker 06 No, no, I I thought it was very clever. I like the idea of bad kids.
21:35 Speaker 04 I think we may have lost Will here.
21:37 Steven Rinella? No, no, no, no. I'm bringing him right back in because I got a question for Will.
21:44 Steven Rinella? Okay, picture with me here. Oh, do you know what this shirt is? You don't, I'll tell you. This is the odds of if you get within 70 yards of a turkey in his roost tree and don't do anything, what are the odds he's gonna walk within shotgun range? That's the math problem.
22:02 Speaker 03 That's pretty cool.
22:03 Steven Rinella? Do nothing. Do nothing. There's a 13% chance he'll be within shotgun range when he leaves.
22:10 Steven Rinella? That, that leads into my question. If you, like,
22:15 Steven Rinella? if you just take an average turkey hunter's lifetime, and he, and he, here's a gobble and calls to a bird, the bird doesn't come. What percent of the time in your, in your view, after a lifetime of turkey hunting and being a, a master turkey hunter, in your view, what percent of the time is the turkey not interested? Versus the turkey's thinking, I don't buy it. Something's up.
22:43 Speaker 03 It's pretty much, he don't trust it.
22:46 Steven Rinella? Oh, you think so?
22:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, because he's, he's, there's been some association with hearing a yelp, hearing it come from, he knows it's on the ground, he's in the tree, that's always a bad deal. We never, we never say nothing till his feet on the ground. But I have a friend who had one of those turkeys.
23:08 Steven Rinella? And- One of what turkeys?
23:10 Speaker 03 One of them turkeys you couldn't kill that you, he would, he gobbled, you'd yelp him and he wouldn't come. He'd always go the other way. And he didn't, eventually gobble going the other way. So he took his son in there. And he said, let's flip a coin and decide who's gonna yelp.
23:26 Speaker 03 And they did. And the dad lost. So they got on both sides of the tree. About 100 yards apart from the tree.
23:35 Steven Rinella? So now they got a 26% chance that they do nothing.
23:37 Speaker 03 Well, they know this turkey, they know he's gonna go. He's gonna go straight, no matter if they knew.
23:42 Steven Rinella? Straight away.
23:43 Speaker 03 Daddy yelped. Little David sat there with his gun up. Five minutes later, he gone.
23:50 Steven Rinella? So you think that they're like, you remember, you know, the great famous turkey book, 10th Legion.
23:58 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
23:59 Steven Rinella? Yeah, it's like a masterpiece, right? Like, no one will ever write a better turkey.
24:02 Speaker 03 No. Nobody's got, nobody's got Tom Kelly's brain. He's unbelievable.
24:06 Steven Rinella? Yeah, I don't care who, what, when, no one's gonna ever write a better turkey book. If you're writing a turkey book, stop.
24:12 Speaker 03 That's right.
24:13 Steven Rinella? Write a different book. Write a beaver book. I don't know.
24:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:18 Steven Rinella? Tom Kelly has a thing where he has like a, he doesn't describe it as an epiphany, but one day he's talking about, he's watching some time, like it's spring turkey season.
24:27 Speaker 03 Yep.
24:28 Steven Rinella? He's watching some gobblers.
24:29 Speaker 03 Yep.
24:29 Steven Rinella? Going about their business.
24:30 Speaker 03 Yep.
24:31 Steven Rinella? And he's, here comes a real live hen.
24:33 Speaker 03 Yep.
24:35 Steven Rinella? Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
24:38 Speaker 03 They never looked at her.
24:39 Steven Rinella? He says they never lift their head up. And he's like, in that moment was, you know, maybe it's not that they're, right?
24:49 Speaker 03 But.
24:49 Steven Rinella? Cause that's a real hen, dude, and they don't care.
24:52 Speaker 03 You're talking about these turkey hunters who think they know it all, and they, they think there's God's gift to calling, and they're gonna yell, and they're gonna, and so the turkey ends up associating so much with what you're doing and, and the stimuli that he's getting, he learns to stay away from it.
25:10 Steven Rinella? Hmm. So you've gotten where you don't make a peep till they hit the ground?
25:14 Speaker 03 Uh, never.
25:15 Steven Rinella? Huh.
25:16 Speaker 03 That is, that's a cardinal rule.
25:17 Steven Rinella? Really?
25:18 Speaker 03 You don't do it.
25:19 Steven Rinella? Why you tell everybody that?
25:20 Speaker 03 To get him.
25:21 Steven Rinella? They'll bleep all that out.
25:22 Speaker 04 Even if you hear other hens yell before, before they're, they hit the ground? He just knows that where that sound's coming from.
25:30 Speaker 03 The tree.
25:31 Speaker 04 Mm hmm.
25:31 Speaker 03 It, it, so if you're on the ground.
25:34 Speaker 04 Oh, I got it. I got you.
25:36 Speaker 03 I mean, more times than not, depending on the terrain, he knows you're down there.
25:40 Speaker 04 Right.
25:40 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
25:41 Speaker 04 Yep.
25:41 Speaker 03 And so what, what's supposed to happen? You're supposed to walk to his tree. That's why he stays in the tree gobbling. You're supposed to walk to his tree. And then he flies down.
25:52 Speaker 04 Mm hmm.
25:52 Speaker 03 So you gotta break that. So you gotta make him think he's losing something. He, you know, you had said a word. So what we do, we take a wing. We take a dried wing. Usually it's a hen wing because they, they bend easier. They're not as stiff as a, a Jake's wing or a gobbler's wing.
26:08 Steven Rinella? So you gotta go out and poach a hen.
26:10 Speaker 03 Huh?
26:10 Speaker 04 Well, bearded hen, buddy.
26:11 Steven Rinella? Oh, okay. Trying to think how to get that hen thing. Like you're telling everybody to go poaching now.
26:16 Speaker 03 No, you're just hunting the fall. You have fall seasons and you, you break them up and whistle them back in.
26:21 Steven Rinella? Okay.
26:21 Speaker 03 But anyway.
26:22 Steven Rinella? Disregard the poaching thing.
26:24 Speaker 03 You fly down and you never say a word.
26:26 Steven Rinella? You do the fly down noise?
26:28 Speaker 03 With that wing. It's tied to a string to my back because I kept leaving, losing them in the woods. It stays in the back of my vest.
26:35 Speaker 04 So is that an, like you're cutting the air or you're hitting the ground with it?
26:38 Speaker 03 You're touching the tree because when those, when those turkeys leave the limb, leave the, the roost, they're hitting limbs and coming down.
26:45 Speaker 04 Yep.
26:46 Speaker 03 And then you go fuck and you hit the ground.
26:48 Speaker 04 Okay.
26:48 Speaker 03 And then don't yell. Wait. Maybe two and a half minutes. Scratching the leaves.
26:57 Speaker 04 Yep.
26:57 Steven Rinella? Hmm.
26:58 Speaker 03 Don't, don't, don't, don't open your mouth. You know, take the guy's call away. He's going to screw it up the instant he tries to yell better.
27:05 Steven Rinella? Man, I'm, I've never used AI in my life, but I'm going to use it right now. Well, no, I have because I use the Merlin app, but I'm going to use AI to make him say all the opposite. And then I'm going to be the only one that knows. The truth.
27:19 Speaker 04 So we had a similar question yesterday on, um, on, when we did the, the meat eater live, we had somebody ask about using a predator. Uh, call or fawn in distress call. I think I brought up the fawn distress call for black bears. Uh, and, and I'm very much of the opinion that if. It, it's kind of a, a two sided thing. If you just want to kill a bear. Then you risk use, you risk not getting a bear by using a fawn in distress call. In my opinion.
27:48 Steven Rinella? How so?
27:49 Speaker 04 Because small bears will go the opposite direction from.
27:52 Steven Rinella? They're like, oh.
27:53 Speaker 04 Yep. They're like, don't, just not worth the risk.
27:55 Steven Rinella? Got it.
27:55 Speaker 04 Um, but big bears.
27:57 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
27:58 Speaker 04 Either care or they don't care.
28:00 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
28:00 Speaker 04 But they don't leave the country because they're using a, a fawn in distress.
28:04 Steven Rinella? They just might not. I've watched many of them not pick their head up.
28:06 Speaker 04 Right.
28:06 Steven Rinella? And then one in 10 goes ballistic.
28:08 Speaker 04 Yep. Goes 90 degree turn and.
28:11 Steven Rinella? He's coming.
28:11 Speaker 04 Yep.
28:12 Speaker 02 We should probably make a T-shirt out of that. Like, what are the mathematical odds of a bear coming to your predator call?
28:17 Steven Rinella? 10% if you're close.
28:19 Speaker 02 Maybe.
28:19 Steven Rinella? You gotta be in his lap.
28:21 Speaker 03 That's the finest T-shirt I've ever seen.
28:24 Steven Rinella? Well, you want to see something that's gonna really impress you?
28:29 Steven Rinella? Yeah, it's outside. Go out that door, because we had different engineers. Hey, hang tight a minute.
28:35 Speaker 04 Boy, it's show and tell day here on the old Meat Eater Podcast. Uncle Will's in town, or Steve's getting all the stuff out, pulling out his toys.
28:50 Speaker 03 That's it.
28:51 Steven Rinella? Yeah, that's another version.
28:55 Steven Rinella? Another version.
28:59 Speaker 03 Therefore.
29:03 Speaker 06 Q E D.
29:05 Speaker 03 B equals zero over 360 times 100 and sin 1/4.
29:16 Speaker 03 I don't know who Paul Knack is, but he's good.
29:22 Speaker 03 That is crazy.
29:23 Steven Rinella? No, it's a good little formula.
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32:59 Steven Rinella? A guy wrote in.
33:02 Steven Rinella? We got a listener question. The guy wrote in, he's been struggling with some beavers.
33:07 Speaker 05 Yeah.
33:08 Steven Rinella? And then he's saying he thinks that beavers attacked his canoe.
33:13 Speaker 05 You don't think that's a bite?
33:15 Speaker 06 It is porcupines.
33:16 Steven Rinella? His canoe got attacked by a porcupine.
33:18 Speaker 06 Yeah, that's what I'm going to.
33:21 Steven Rinella? His canoe got attacked by a porcupine. That ain't a beaver.
33:25 Speaker 06 I don't think beavers just chew on random stuff.
33:27 Speaker 03 No, you need to qualify where the, where the canoe got attacked.
33:31 Steven Rinella? Southwest Wisconsin. You want to see the picture?
33:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, I got you. But, but, but if you were from Mississippi, it was not a porcupine.
33:40 Steven Rinella? Oh.
33:41 Speaker 06 No, that's a good point.
33:43 Steven Rinella? He's in porcupine, he's in porcupine country.
33:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:46 Steven Rinella? Porcupines will eat tree stands. They like treated plywood. They like.
33:51 Speaker 06 You know, they like axe handles because you just sweat from your hands getting on the axe handle. Wooden axe handle.
33:57 Speaker 04 No, no Porky's in Mississippi, huh? They just don't exist down there? Really?
34:03 Speaker 03 Porcupines are Yankees. When you say axe handle, one of my favorite saying is, I'm as scared of her as a possum is an axe handle.
34:13 Speaker 03 That's what I think of.
34:14 Speaker 06 I'm gonna start using that.
34:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, I've had them chew on my fly rod cork handles.
34:19 Steven Rinella? Yep, sweat.
34:20 Speaker 02 In the wilderness.
34:20 Steven Rinella? My dad had a cabin. He's telling me that they had a cabin. He said, you kind of like, people would walk out the door to take a leak and there was a stump and you would naturally, it was just like a human fire hydrant. Like anyone that like, like went out the door, they'd go slightly left and pee on a stump. And he said the porcupines were always out there gnawing on that stump just from the minerals and stuff in the.
34:44 Speaker 06 Yeah, like mountain goats.
34:47 Steven Rinella? Uh, a guy wrote in, but that's really complicated. Battle with Beaver, covered that. Oh, here's a good one for you, Will. Opinions on keeping freshwater fish in a small boat. Let's say you're out fishing, uh, what do you guys call them down where you're from, brim? You say bluegills or do you say brim?
35:06 Speaker 03 Brim, bluegills.
35:07 Steven Rinella? Okay, you're on a small boat. He's like, how do you keep fish nice?
35:12 Steven Rinella? You know?
35:14 Steven Rinella? Like ice or a string? You don't have a big ol' ice chest. He's wanting, no, he's just asking, how do you keep?
35:18 Speaker 03 You put them in a basket in the water. You keep them breathing and alive.
35:22 Steven Rinella? You like the basket?
35:22 Speaker 03 Same way you do an alligator. You catch an alligator, you don't kill him.
35:25 Steven Rinella? No.
35:26 Speaker 03 You tape his mouth up and you tie his arms up behind his back. You keep him alive till you get him to the butcher room.
35:31 Steven Rinella? I didn't know that. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows that. This guy's gonna be delighted that he's getting, um, he just thought he's gonna get advice from us guys, but he's getting advice from Will Primos.
35:44 Speaker 03 If you want it, if you want it fresh, keep it alive.
35:49 Steven Rinella? Makes sense to me.
35:50 Speaker 05 Totally.
35:52 Speaker 03 If you guys have any thoughts on if my stringer and, oh, what's he got going on now? Sorry.
35:58 Speaker 04 Our, our, uh, brim game up here is pretty weak. I, I would love some easy access to like, throw on some slip bobbers for, for like,
36:09 Steven Rinella? Bluegills?
36:10 Speaker 04 Big bluegills.
36:10 Speaker 03 I just got, I just got back from the Wind River Canyon.
36:13 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
36:14 Speaker 03 And this guy was using a balloon as an indicator. And it looked just like a cork. And I kept saying, "Did you see my cork move?" And he goes, "Do what?"
36:26 Speaker 03 So, I, I, I, I went on the internet and I searched definition of a fishing cork. And after he left that day, I sent it, sent it to him. He wouldn't reply.
36:36 Speaker 04 You're like, let's get on the same page.
36:39 Steven Rinella? Yeah. I got a couple of additional thoughts now that I've read it more carefully. He's using a stringer combo, stringer fish basket combo. He's putting them on a stringer out in the water. Then he's throwing them in the fish basket when he's back and he's also fishing for northeast, northern, so he's dealing with some larger fish. He needs to go with.
37:00 Speaker 03 An ice chest for the northern, for the bigger ones to keep them, you know, nice and fresh. But the, oh, the small ones, keep them in a basket. If you use the stringer, you're gonna bust their lips and they're gonna break off, or you put it through the gills, you're gonna kill them.
37:14 Steven Rinella? That's what I was gonna include for him is I remember when we were little, we used to use stringers and we didn't know. So we'd always run it under the gill cover.
37:20 Speaker 03 That's, that's, that hurts.
37:22 Steven Rinella? You got a bunch of dead fish and then later learn to prick them with it. Um, but you know, that's, that like, for bluegulls, that doesn't really work.
37:30 Speaker 03 We would put them on stringers, but the, the last time a watermox had wrapped around that stringer, done.
37:39 Steven Rinella? My kid recently, he was down fishing in the creek down the road from our house and they caught some trout and he had them on a string. And then he looks down there and there's a big old crayfish messing with his trout. So him and his buddies came home and they fried their trout up and boiled that little crayfish. It was a nice crayfish. They had nice little, uh.
37:59 Speaker 04 Surfing turf.
38:01 Steven Rinella? Yeah, whatever.
38:02 Speaker 04 Surfing surf. Yeah.
38:04 Steven Rinella? Uh.
38:05 Speaker 04 Fish boil. There you go.
38:06 Steven Rinella? Yeah, boil. They had a nice little boil. Okay, here's one. I curious to get your, your thoughts on this. A guy was at a, uh, a guy was at a turkey hunting, like a turkey derby.
38:23 Steven Rinella? North Carolina strut masters or something like that. He was dismayed by the, um, he was dismayed by the, the field care he witnessed. Where you're weighing birds and so people got their birds hung up with the guts in them. Out in the sun, not chilled. And then he was saying that, uh, he saw a tremendous amount, like no, like, some people not even taking the breasts, but a lot of people not taking the, uh, most people not taking the thighs and legs. What do you think about that?
38:54 Speaker 03 Wild turkey is just so great. The breasts, the legs, the thighs make the greatest soup. It's just, it's just great. If you just learn it, you just gotta deal with it.
39:03 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
39:04 Speaker 03 But leaving the guts in, I usually, I draw them, you know, that's what you call it.
39:08 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
39:08 Speaker 03 Yeah. I draw them, instant I kill them, before they hardly finish flopping.
39:12 Steven Rinella? Yeah. Cause that stuff smells, man. That stuff goes bad.
39:15 Speaker 03 You cut a slice there at the bottom of the breast and you stick your hand there and grab the biggest thing you can find, which is gonna be the gizzard. That's gonna be the gizzard. You can grab hold of it and get it and whoop. It's all coming out.
39:28 Steven Rinella? Got it.
39:29 Speaker 03 Now, if you gotta weigh them for cost, I'm not interested in winning some turkey weight contests. So I like the meat better than that. So I'm drawing them.
39:38 Steven Rinella? You know, I lost a turkey contest in, uh, in, uh, Elroy. I think it's called Elroy, Wisconsin. Is there a place called Elroy, Wisconsin?
39:46 Speaker 04 I don't know.
39:46 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
39:48 Speaker 04 Sure.
39:49 Steven Rinella? I lost, I joined a turkey derby, but I got in my bird and brought it down and I was leader on the board. And then a guy beat me by a few ounces.
39:59 Steven Rinella? And all the old guys in the bar were just, thought I was the dumbest guy on the planet. My buddy says he go, his dad goes back in there a couple of days later and he's sitting there and they're still in there. He got in the bird!
40:12 Steven Rinella? Good for you.
40:14 Speaker 05 But I know this, this, uh, audience member was kind of appalled that there would be so many, uh, dead turkeys just pinned to a board and it was in that no one was, uh, really taking the meat out of them. So it was about salvage laws.
40:29 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
40:29 Speaker 05 I'm wondering how many states have?
40:31 Steven Rinella? I don't know. His final question is, my question to the crew is, what is the best way to get North Carolina to create legislation on the salvage law?
40:41 Speaker 04 Yeah. Start showing up at your fish and game committee meetings and, and introduce it. And then eventually if, if you feel like you're not getting any traction, you can write into your state reps and get somebody interested in that.
40:54 Speaker 04 The people that you need to target in that case are the people who sit on the fishing game committee at, at the state level.
41:00 Steven Rinella? I'm a big believer in, I love salvage laws.
41:05 Steven Rinella? I understand like arguments that like, oh, it's big brother telling you what to do, but I like, I like them. I like how detailed they are. I like salvage laws.
41:15 Speaker 05 Are they per species?
41:16 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
41:17 Speaker 05 Yeah. I see.
41:18 Steven Rinella? Or they'll spell it out like ducks up to the size of a mallard.
41:22 Speaker 05 Hmm.
41:23 Steven Rinella? Right? Um, an interesting little thing here and it's still, even though they rolled, Montana rolled back some salvage laws, but in Montana, is it Montana you still like, I think the wing, you gotta keep. Yeah, you gotta keep away the wing meat. In Montana, you gotta retain the wing meat, which
41:41 Speaker 05 we, I guess we love our wings up here.
41:43 Steven Rinella? Strict.
41:44 Speaker 04 I think for this turkey contest, there is a lot of meat on the wings. For this turkey contest, if you want to just make everybody happy and not feel like they're wasting good stuff, is you got to contract out with like some sort of a mobile uh, food truck cooking service.
42:02 Steven Rinella? He said they do that.
42:03 Speaker 05 That's what they do.
42:03 Speaker 04 And then.
42:04 Steven Rinella? It's just an extra fee and the people aren't paying the fee.
42:07 Speaker 04 Oh, people can't just jerk the hide off their turkey and, and throw the carcasses and, and
42:12 Steven Rinella? That's what he says.
42:12 Speaker 04 At least make stock. I put up a ton of stock every year and, and, and that definitely is part of why I like killing a bunch of turkeys. Um, but yeah, turkey stock is amazing. And if you want, as long as it's fresh, you, you don't have to clean those birds well. You just dump it all.
42:30 Steven Rinella? Cowboys boils the whole bird.
42:31 Speaker 04 I do. I mean, I pull the meat, pull all the meat off, take the thighs.
42:36 Steven Rinella? Everything but the gobble he throws into a pot.
42:38 Speaker 03 So I, I, I like to see a turkey baked roasted whole like.
42:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's nice. Yeah.
42:44 Steven Rinella? You like doing that?
42:44 Speaker 03 Yeah. And, and the, and the wild turkey, of course, the, the breast button is just stick straight up. It's just, you know, it's not big round like the swift's butter ball.
42:53 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
42:53 Speaker 03 But you boil some water and you dip him. Of course, you've already drawed him. So the, the, the hot water, you don't want to leave it too much. You don't want to cook the meat. But you, you get it just right and that, those feathers will just come off and that you're, you're leaving the hide on.
43:08 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
43:09 Speaker 04 Gotcha.
43:09 Speaker 03 Skin.
43:10 Speaker 04 So then are you brining your bird and then roasting it?
43:14 Speaker 03 You can. I've done it that way. It's not necessary.
43:17 Speaker 04 Oh, really?
43:18 Speaker 03 Yeah. You just flat clean it good. Pick all the feathers off, all the wing, every, everything.
43:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, make it look like a-
43:25 Speaker 03 Then you, you can stuff it if you want. I like oyster dressing the best.
43:28 Speaker 04 Cool.
43:29 Speaker 03 Oyster. Oyster.
43:30 Speaker 04 Oysters.
43:31 Steven Rinella? I want people to know that, we know that it's not turkey season anymore.
43:35 Speaker 03 Oh, it depends on who's watching.
43:37 Speaker 04 This is the last weekend in Montana.
43:39 Steven Rinella? It's wrapping up. It's wrapping up. Hotter now. Yeah, but it, I don't know. I could talk turkeys anytime. Oh, no, I love talking turkeys. You got the, you got like a turkey man here. You know, I had a guy one time who was in the poultry business, uh, described to me. He lumped turkeys into two categories. Sharp breasted and round breasted.
44:00 Speaker 03 Oh.
44:01 Steven Rinella? And he would say, a turkey, a wild turkey, he said, that's a sharp breasted bird.
44:06 Speaker 03 It's sharp.
44:06 Steven Rinella? Yeah. It's a good way of describing it.
44:09 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm. Um, and they can be pretty dry, so you can inject them with butter if, when you bake them. Cause that, that wild meat can be very, very dry.
44:18 Speaker 04 I would use oven bags. And oven ba-, I thought the oven bag with brining a bird? You never got a dry bird.
44:26 Speaker 03 Great.
44:27 Speaker 04 They were, they were fantastic.
44:28 Speaker 03 Good plan, yeah.
44:28 Speaker 04 But I'd take, I'd take the legs off because they were just wouldn't, they wouldn't, they wouldn't cook to the same degree the, the-
44:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, you gotta, you gotta cook them slower and more. And you put the legs in a crock pot.
44:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:41 Speaker 03 And, and like it falls off the bone.
44:43 Speaker 04 Our buddy Jesse Griffiths just taught me, you basically turn your turkey leg into a smoked ham hock.
44:50 Speaker 03 Hmm.
44:50 Speaker 04 And so I just did four turkey legs like that, so I-
44:53 Steven Rinella? And throw them into something?
44:54 Speaker 04 I brined them in like a cure style brine, smoked them, and then I just vac sealed them. For doing like big things, the collard greens or something like that. Throw them in there for-
45:05 Speaker 03 Sounds good.
45:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
45:07 Steven Rinella? I'm getting that castor's taste out.
45:12 Steven Rinella? How long has it been? I got, here's another advice thing from, okay? Another guy wrote in looking for advice, but we're gonna put it to you.
45:18 Speaker 03 Okay.
45:19 Steven Rinella? This, this is like a comp- this, put your thinking cap on.
45:22 Speaker 03 Okay.
45:23 Steven Rinella? It's like a math problem.
45:24 Speaker 03 Oh.
45:24 Steven Rinella? Hmm.
45:27 Steven Rinella? Okay.
45:29 Steven Rinella? Okay, he's wondering about how to tip a guide. So tipping a guide. Okay, ready? We got former guides in the room. You guys will have an opinion about this. Oh, always. Okay. Put, put yourself in the hunters. Don't put you guys. So Cal, Cory. You're in the hunters perspective. And Randall, Randall's fishing guy. Oh, you done, yeah, you done some guiding. Okay, you're in the anglers. Perspective, not the guys perspective. Yanni said when he used to guide and the clients had come in, he goes, you're always looking for subtle. Cues about who's got the most money.
46:05 Steven Rinella? So you can get paired with them.
46:06 Speaker 02 That doesn't always work out that way.
46:08 Steven Rinella? No.
46:08 Speaker 06 I had a guy one time spent the whole week. I fished him for like six days and he'd won the trip. So it was a free trip and he kept asking me all week. He's like, so you know, Walter takes care of you, right? Walter takes care of you, right? And I was like, man, it's really thoughtful of him that he's, he's uh, so concerned that. I'm being fed and housed and that my summer's going well. And at the end of the week. He got on the plane and he stuck his head out the plane and he said. Walter's taking care of you, right? And it finally clicked that he was checking to see whether or not he needed to tip me.
46:42 Steven Rinella? Yeah, because it was a free trip.
46:44 Speaker 06 It was too late.
46:44 Speaker 04 Quick through a rock through the windshield of the plane. Hold on a second.
46:48 Steven Rinella? Okay, ready for this?
46:49 Speaker 02 Pocket knife.
46:50 Steven Rinella? So. You gotta, no, think we're giving you hit numbers here. You're, you're businessman. Six day bear turkey combo hunt. All right, the price is, the price is four thousand six hundred per hunter.
47:05 Steven Rinella? The outfitter website recommends fifteen to twenty percent tip for the guide. Plus one hundred to two hundred dollars for the camp cook.
47:16 Steven Rinella? The outfitter notified us, we will have a guide for turkey and a separate guide for bear. Hmm. My friend wants to tip twenty percent.
47:29 Steven Rinella? So nine hundred and twenty dollars. Plus two hundred to the cook. But he thinks we need to tip twenty percent to each guide. For a total of one thousand eight hundred and forty dollars worth of tips.
47:44 Steven Rinella? Comes out to a forty-four percent increase per hunter.
47:49 Speaker 04 I'd say you do whatever you want and uh give me your friend's number and I'll guide him anytime.
47:54 Speaker 06 Yeah.
47:55 Steven Rinella? Well, I agree that we should tip for our trip. I think forty-four percent of the total trip price is excessive for each individual hunter. I have two tip recommendations.
48:07 Steven Rinella? Then he goes on with his recommendations.
48:10 Steven Rinella? He wants to split it up. We're gonna tip twenty percent.
48:17 Steven Rinella? So if it's six days of, okay, if it's, if it's three days of turkey, three days of bear, however you slice it, you take the twenty percent amount and go like, okay, you get half of twenty percent and then the turkey guide gets half of twenty percent. What would you do?
48:41 Speaker 03 To me, it's really simple.
48:42 Steven Rinella? Okay.
48:43 Speaker 03 It's the cost of a hunt. If the hunt costs you five thousand dollars, whether it's three days or six days, I tip a minimum of twenty percent.
48:50 Steven Rinella? And they can do how they can divide it up how they want?
48:52 Speaker 03 How they want now. I also tip the cook. Like I just left on, from a trip on the Wind River Canyon. And I checked in because I wanted to know kind of what the average, the typical tip is a hundred dollars per person per day. There's two people in the boat. It's two hundred dollars a day for three days. That's six hundred dollars. Okay, so I gave him eight hundred. I just think guides, now if the guides, if he's a, if he's an SOB, he's got a bad attitude and every other word out of his mouth is profanity, which I don't like.
49:25 Steven Rinella? Uh oh, that explains a lot.
49:27 Speaker 03 In other words, if you were my guide, you'd get zero.
49:30 Speaker 04 Dang it, Steven.
49:32 Speaker 02 You don't want Steve guiding you.
49:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, so anyway, I just, I just think twenty percent for a tip. He guided me once.
49:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true.
49:41 Steven Rinella? Were you cursing all the time?
49:42 Speaker 02 Nope.
49:44 Steven Rinella? That's good.
49:44 Speaker 02 Maybe, maybe under my, under my mustache.
49:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, and it was a heck of a tip.
49:52 Steven Rinella? I quit any kind of booze. I'm gonna quit any kind of swearing next.
49:54 Speaker 02 There you go. Good luck.
49:57 Speaker 02 Tip your guys.
49:59 Steven Rinella? 20%. So these, you guys, the guy that wrote in, 20% of the bill and then divide it to the guides how you think. I think that your friend thinking each guide gets 20% is not, is not the way to think about it.
50:12 Speaker 06 Yeah, if I'm meeting at a restaurant and my server, I get a new server halfway through the meal or whatever, someone clocked out, I'm not all of a sudden tipping 40% on that meal.
50:22 Steven Rinella? That's a great way of looking at it. Another way to look at it, but let's say you're going out, like we, we did a guided hunt one time, um, for mule deer with, uh, with, um, Crooked Sky Outfitters, wonderful guys. But you might be with Stuart one day, you might be with Landon one day, you know what I mean?
50:35 Speaker 06 Yeah.
50:36 Steven Rinella? They might be like, well, today go with so and so, cause he, he wants to go up and check. You're not in the end going like,
50:42 Steven Rinella? 20% of the trip to him, 20% of the trip to him, 20% of the trip to him. Yeah, it wouldn't be how you'd look at it.
50:48 Speaker 03 So we, we had a, a lady that cleaned the, the lodge and the room every day.
50:52 Steven Rinella? Okay.
50:52 Speaker 03 I gave her a hundred dollars for the three days. And it wasn't asked for. And then the, the chef was great. He had a great personality and he was five star. I gave him 600 bucks.
51:06 Steven Rinella? Starting to think if I host this show just right.
51:10 Speaker 06 Pour him a glass of that moonshine.
51:13 Steven Rinella? Will's gonna leave a couple hundos.
51:16 Speaker 03 When you, when you go on these trips and these people, I mean, guiding is a great life if you don't weaken. It can be, it can be hard.
51:24 Steven Rinella? If you don't do what?
51:25 Speaker 03 Weaken.
51:27 Steven Rinella? I don't understand what you mean.
51:28 Speaker 03 Weaken.
51:29 Steven Rinella? You mean if the guide doesn't?
51:30 Speaker 03 If the guide doesn't weaken.
51:31 Steven Rinella? Oh, I see. Yeah, I got you.
51:32 Speaker 03 I mean, it's hard.
51:33 Steven Rinella? I got you.
51:33 Speaker 03 And it, and you know, and, and they're dealing with, some of these guides get some pretty bad clients. Oh my gosh. They know it all. They want to tell you how to hunt. You gotta remember, don't guide the guide. You, you, you, you bought a hunt, you, you, you hired a guide and you gotta go with the flow.
51:52 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
51:52 Speaker 03 Complement him and, and, and give him the opportunity to do good for you.
51:56 Steven Rinella? You know, I've, I've been developing a piece of life advice that I've been using and I use it with contractors. When I, if, if I'm having a problem with like, uh, in my mechanical room, I explained this on the show recently. Like, let's say I'm having, we have in-floor heating. You open my mechanical room up, you can't tell what's going on in there. Too complicated. It's not like the old days. Like a pipe coming in and a pipe going out. You look and you're like, who knows? It's like opening up a NAS control room. So what I do. When I have a guy over, I don't do the, well, you know, I'm thinking it might be whatever. And you know, and I tried a couple of things, but you know, I'm too busy fixing other stuff. So I need you to take a quick look and I'd probably be able to figure it out. Like, I don't do any of that garbage.
52:40 Steven Rinella? I come in and go, man, I'm an idiot. I don't know anything about, I look in here and it's just, I don't get it. That opens up, like, that opens up a level of rapport.
52:55 Steven Rinella? And you, you, you just, you dispense with all the trying to save face. And you just come in and be like, dude, I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I don't get it. I'd love to understand it. I can't understand it. And it just creates a different dynamic because a guy's impulse is to try to establish his bona fides. Right?
53:15 Speaker 03 Good, yeah.
53:17 Steven Rinella? So Nate Mason, who we work with, recently went to a dog training thing.
53:22 Steven Rinella? And he said, the first words out of my mouth.
53:25 Steven Rinella? And he knows a thing or two, but for for his mouth, man, I'm an idiot. I don't know anything about any of this. So it's just completely changed the whole dynamic. People all day trying to help him out.
53:36 Steven Rinella? So, so. He says like, everybody's real nice to him.
53:38 Speaker 02 He got a lot more for his money.
53:40 Steven Rinella? Instead of coming in and being like, wow, I've trained a few dogs in my day, you know, none of that.
53:43 Speaker 03 It's like a fishing guide. You're, you're hiring a guide. We were on the Wind River. That guide has been fishing that river every day. He's watching the river change. He's watching the levels. He's watching the temperature. He's watching different spots. He's figuring it out. And so I come in, I'm a big fly fisherman. I go all the time. I know what I'm doing. And I try to tell the guide what to do. It changes the dynamics of the whole trip. Instead, at first I said, look, anything I do, tell me not to, if you need to. And if you need to tell me twice, tell me twice.
54:16 Steven Rinella? Got it.
54:16 Speaker 03 Tell me what to do and, and, and I, I want to play his game. And it was so much more fun and he taught me, I learned stuff that I didn't know.
54:24 Steven Rinella? Yep.
54:24 Speaker 03 It was great.
54:26 Steven Rinella? Yep.
54:28 Speaker 03 And then you tip good and you're welcome back.
54:32 Steven Rinella? So do the guides in this room like this?
54:36 Speaker 02 I love everything Will's saying.
54:37 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
54:39 Speaker 02 I need to know more specifics about this bear hunt. Is it a baited bear hunt? Is it spot and stock? Are there hounds involved?
54:46 Steven Rinella? You just want to, you want to talk shop about bear hunting?
54:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, this isn't, this isn't enough information here.
54:51 Steven Rinella? Okay, Will, I got one more for you.
54:58 Steven Rinella? Ready for this?
55:01 Steven Rinella? Guys, no gents.
55:05 Steven Rinella? Sorry for the title. The title is turkeys versus grouse, mortal enemies.
55:12 Steven Rinella? He says, sorry for the title. I wanted to grab your attention. In all seriousness, however, this has been on my mind quite a few years now. Maybe you folks have heard of this discussion before, and maybe you guys think it's nuts, but I'm telling you. There's a good amount of northern Minnesota outdoorsman who keep repeating what I believe to be a rural myth. That myth is that turkeys target and kill grouse and grouse nests eggs.
55:39 Steven Rinella? He says he has had over 15 people tell him that turkeys are killing the grouse.
55:47 Speaker 04 Are they all from the same family?
55:52 Steven Rinella? It's a large family.
55:57 Speaker 04 I don't know about that.
55:58 Speaker 02 Do they suspiciously have a freezer full of grouse?
56:03 Speaker 04 No, I mean, if you watch domestic turkeys, um, not like in your, uh, high density facilities, right? But like your normal barnyard, uh, I don't know, vanity turkeys, we'll call them, scratching around. I mean, they'll, they'll get into anything, curiosity stuff and, um, it's not uncommon to like throw eggshells out there for a little added calcium.
56:30 Steven Rinella? It's a great point because when I put my compost on my garden,
56:34 Steven Rinella? the magpies, every bird in town is walking around and they're picking the eggshells out during nesting season.
56:40 Speaker 04 Hmm. So I, I, it wouldn't surprise me if, if a handful of turkeys take advantage of something like that, but I don't think it's going to be a primary food source or I, it would be, I mean, it'd be really interesting, right? If, if they're. There uh it'd be like a fisheries biology study, right? It's like, how much mass can that landscape support? And by killing off the grouse, the turkey population will grow somehow, right?
57:13 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
57:13 Speaker 03 But I I say, look at the science. Somebody can study this.
57:17 Steven Rinella? On this?
57:18 Speaker 03 I I I don't know. It's like at the size, I mean, uh, what's the, what's the turkey biologist name from Georgia?
57:24 Speaker 04 Chamberlain?
57:25 Speaker 03 Yeah. So if I'm mistaken, if I remember right, he's the one who figured out that the great horned isle.
57:31 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
57:32 Speaker 03 Was killing the gobbles, knocking them off a limb and flying down and eating their head and all the entrails from the neck. And that's it. But he documented it. He figured it out and documented it scientifically.
57:44 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
57:45 Speaker 03 So that's what needs to be done. I don't think.
57:47 Speaker 04 I know you don't understand how the game of BS is played here.
57:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, I do. I do. And I'm I'm telling you, that's BS. So I'm using the science and saying, I'm going to sign.
58:01 Steven Rinella? Well, there is a, there is a, there is a parallel because we had a woman on the show, I think she was sitting right where you're sitting right now, and they um do cameras on turkey nests, right? So all you gotta do is you gotta somehow, it's probably not hard to do, you could design a study, you gotta catch grouse, find the females, put a marker on them at the right time of year, find where they're hanging out, go there. She was concerned that she explained to us, she was concerned that that um, what's that thing in astronomy, like just you watching it changes it?
58:37 Speaker 04 Hmm.
58:37 Steven Rinella? Oh, not Heisenberg, no, it's not Heisenberg.
58:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, Heisenberg's principle.
58:41 Steven Rinella? Heisenberg's principle.
58:42 Speaker 04 Isn't it?
58:43 Steven Rinella? There's a bit of Heisenberg's principle at play because she feels that your, she feels that your presence at the nest changes a dynamic. And she has noticed that when she goes to a nest site and does the work and sets the camera, she feels that very quickly thereafter, there's a bobcat present and a much higher likelihood that a bobcat will be present right away than later. And somehow that activity and human odor and messing around is somehow attractive.
59:15 Speaker 04 Wow.
59:15 Steven Rinella? She was speculating, she doesn't know, but she has, she's like, why is it that we place a camera and so quickly there's a bobcat there and then no bobcats? You know, who knows?
59:26 Speaker 03 Is this a study of Miriam's?
59:29 Steven Rinella? Um, Kansas.
59:30 Speaker 03 Okay.
59:31 Steven Rinella? So whatever that would be in, uh.
59:33 Speaker 03 Rios or Easterns.
59:34 Steven Rinella? Okay, yeah, studying that. But yeah, it'd be an interesting thing. But you know, I'll tell you one thing that changed my life. And how I view wildlife is you remember long, it must, maybe it was a decade ago, someone had a trail cam image. Of a, of a whitetail deer that walked up to a robin nest and ate some of the chicks.
59:54 Steven Rinella? And I'm like, hey, all bets are off.
59:58 Steven Rinella? Like, all bets are off, you know?
1:00:02 Speaker 04 I can't remember where we were, but somebody was, oh, it was, um, it was over in, in Wyoming the other day, but, um, there was a bunch of town pheasants, basically, in all the green areas. And, uh, this friend of mine, his folks had just moved to town. And it asked him, is there anything they can do about these pheasants? Because they're, they're cackling so early in the morning.
1:00:26 Steven Rinella? Get up earlier and go to work.
1:00:28 Speaker 04 And, uh, uh, yeah, maybe that's what that whitetail deer was doing. He was attacking those bird noises early in the morning.
1:00:38 Steven Rinella? You know, I watched, uh, we, we were watching, me and my boy were watching some turkeys, you know, as turkeys often are on the wrong side of a fence. So we're just watching them and like trying to call them into a place they'd never want to go in a million years, you know? And like, this bird, we watched him for an hour, you know, and he never made a peep. And then a while later, this, this pheasant gets up.
1:01:01 Steven Rinella? And he's doing those low flying, like flying cackles. And gets over that turkey's head and pow.
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1:04:22 Steven Rinella? All right, Will, tell us about the gun auction.
1:04:25 Speaker 03 Well, these are...
1:04:28 Steven Rinella? If people want to see what they look like, what can they type into their phone?
1:04:32 Speaker 03 The truthaboutconservation.com.
1:04:33 Steven Rinella? Oh, just to see the actual things?
1:04:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, see the guns.
1:04:37 Steven Rinella? The truthaboutconservation.com. So as Will's talking, since you probably have your phone with you, truthaboutconservation.com. Then in the gun auction, you can behold the purdy shotguns that Will will now explain the history of and what's happening with them.
1:04:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, so I've always loved, my first gun I ever shot was a Fox Model B side by side, double trigger. My dad, when he got out of World War II, he was alive. He got home, went to hardware store, he was gonna go hunting. Bought him that gun for $10 used. It's now one of my favorite guns. And so he then bought some bamboo fly rods. And that's kind of the story of my daddy after World War II and hunting and fishing. But as time went on, didn't have any money. And I just loved the marriage of metal to wood. And I went hunting with a guy and he had Holland and Holland hammer guns. And he handed me one and we'd
1:05:39 Speaker 03 been hunting. And it's just so much fun to cock those hammers. So before they figured out how to put the hammers internally and to cock them when you, when the gun opened, cock them, the hammers were on the outside.
1:05:54 Speaker 03 And so you cocked the hammers and you had a safety and just like any normal gun. So the hammers are cocked and it was just so much fun shooting it. You don't see the hammers when you shoulder the gun, when you mount it. And so the first gun that I ordered was a 16 gauge and Purdy was happened to be in town. I asked him to meet with me. They took me to dinner, told him I wanted to order the 16 and I wanted to reserve the 410, the 28, the 20, having the 16 made and the 12, the serial number consecutive. Cause I was going to order all of them over time.
1:06:28 Steven Rinella? But how would the serial number be consecutive?
1:06:31 Speaker 03 They reserved them.
1:06:31 Steven Rinella? Oh, okay, okay, yeah.
1:06:33 Speaker 03 So they reserved the serial numbers.
1:06:34 Steven Rinella? I see.
1:06:34 Speaker 03 So those were going to be my serial numbers when I ordered the guns.
1:06:37 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
1:06:38 Speaker 03 So I ordered the 16 and that was the 16 gauge like my daddy's fox. And so I just loved hunting with a gun. I killed whitetail with it, turkey, squirrels, um, killing the limit of gray squirrels and holding up a $200,000 shotgun is kind of fun.
1:06:57 Speaker 03 And that's one of my favorite pictures. But anyway, so I started ordering the other guns, but they told me, they said, Will, we don't have plans to ever make a 410 or a 28 in a hammer gun with ejectors. We just don't even have the plans for it. And I said, well, start working because I'm going to order them if you want the money.
1:07:20 Speaker 03 I'm going to order them. And so over time, they finally decided to build the 410. They built 10, they only built 10. Gordy's in Houston bought five of them. Four of them were bought at the SCI show and one of them is mine. Mine's the only one that's different. I have modified beaver tail and mine have a special bird engraved on each gun. And so I ordered that gun and then I ordered the 28. The 28 is the only 28 in existence. It's a 28 gauge hammer gun with ejectors. It's, it's my favorite upland gun.
1:07:54 Steven Rinella? Wow.
1:07:55 Speaker 03 And the 410 costs $295,000.
1:08:02 Speaker 03 God, and it is, and they're beautiful and they're exquisite. And when you close them, they go ding. Cause they're so, they're so tight. So I was in Arizona hunting with my 28. And I don't know how, but all of a sudden shot, reloading the gun and it wouldn't close. And I went, oh my gosh, what is going on? The gun would not close. And I didn't want to force it. So I'm looking at it, a piece of sand had gotten in the breach.
1:08:35 Steven Rinella? That's how tight it is.
1:08:36 Speaker 03 That's how tight it is. I blew out that sand. Phew. Ding.
1:08:44 Speaker 03 You know, and, and so I, I just, the guns are just a joy to shoot. There's joy to handle. Of course, they all fit to me. You know, made measurements for me. But when we, when we did the initial gathering of information, all these conservation groups, Congressional Sportsman's Foundation, DU, RMEF, NWTF, and Quail and Pheasants, came to my home in Mississippi. And we took them out to a real nice sporting range that has helice, H E L I C E. Some people call them ZZ Bird targets. They're, they're.
1:09:17 Steven Rinella? Well, I'm not, I'm not tracking what you, what you mean by that.
1:09:20 Speaker 03 Yeah. Helice is a, has a, is a target with two fan blades on it. And so it's out in a box and, and you, it starts spinning. When you, when you, when you say, I'm ready, the target, there are five of them. So there's five boxes with five spinning fans with a target in the center. And so when you say pull, one of those is going to go and you don't know which one.
1:09:44 Steven Rinella? Oh, I, I, I got you. And one of them's gonna, of, of pigeons, clay pigeons is gonna drop into one of those fans and spit it out.
1:09:50 Speaker 03 Well, it's, it's already there. It's not a clay pigeon, it's a plastic pigeon, it's a plastic clay target.
1:09:54 Steven Rinella? Okay, okay.
1:09:55 Speaker 03 And it's made to mimic box pigeon shooting, which started in Europe when they used to, that was their big shooting event.
1:10:01 Steven Rinella? I'm back to not understanding. What's it called?
1:10:04 Speaker 03 Helice, H E L I C E, or ZZ Birds.
1:10:07 Steven Rinella? Is it dumb that I don't know this?
1:10:08 Speaker 03 No.
1:10:09 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:10:09 Speaker 03 A lot of people don't know about it.
1:10:10 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:10:10 Speaker 03 I mean, it's a specialized discipline of shooting.
1:10:13 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:10:14 Speaker 03 And it's a big competition. The, the world championship this year is in Italy. Uh, last year, I think it was in Cyprus, Greece. Um, so anyway, you say pull and one of those five targets is gonna go.
1:10:26 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
1:10:26 Speaker 03 It's, it's gonna, that, you don't know whether it's gonna go straight up. The fan, it, it, the, the, the, the machine is oscillating, so they might go straight up, straight away, straight left, straight right. It's crazy what it can do.
1:10:38 Steven Rinella? Got it.
1:10:39 Speaker 03 And so you're sitting there ready and your eyes have to be blended over the five targets. So when one of them goes, you gotta go to it and kill it. So we lined up all five of the conservation groups, four ten, twenty eight, twenty, sixteen and twelve.
1:10:52 Steven Rinella? Mm hmm.
1:10:53 Speaker 03 And we made all the targets go one, one at a time. One, two, three, four, five, nobody missed. And it was just beautiful.
1:11:00 Steven Rinella? Really?
1:11:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, seeing everybody shoot those guns and enjoy them. Um, and so that, that was kind of a, one of the scenes. You'll, you probably can see that on that, the Truth About Conservation site. Probably, there's probably a video of that on there.
1:11:14 Steven Rinella? Got it.
1:11:15 Speaker 03 But the whole effort here was to engage these conservation groups.
1:11:19 Steven Rinella? Well, you gotta back up. I'm not, I'm not done hearing about the whole thing. When you were accumulating them, were you thinking to yourself, in some day I'll give them all away?
1:11:29 Speaker 03 Um, I didn't know what I was gonna do. I, I, I felt like I could find some way to help raise money for the hunting and fishing community.
1:11:39 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:11:39 Speaker 03 I just didn't know what it was gonna be. And so as I would attend the Dex Unlimited Convention or the National Wild Turkey Federation Convention, I would find the philanthropy organized people who accept money and all that kinda stuff. And I say, look, I got this set of guns. I would like to give them away to conservation. I'm trying to figure out how to do that and I want these groups to share in the money. These are people who've been a part of my life.
1:12:03 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:12:04 Speaker 03 The RMF is such an incredible organization and it's done so much for my life. And, and the National Wild Turkey Federation and Ducks Unlimited and Quail and Pheasants. I mean, they're just incredible organizations.
1:12:16 Speaker 03 And Congressional Sportsman's Foundation who protects our hunting and fishing and trapping rights at the local, state, and federal level. I mean, how can I do something to give back and thank them for what they've done to help protect those rights and to help grow other people being associated with hunting and fishing and trapping? And so, one day, Congressional Sportsman's Foundation called me and they said, "Look, we got this campaign. It's not hunt, fish, listen. It's I hunt, I fish, I vote."
1:12:46 Steven Rinella? Got it.
1:12:47 Speaker 03 And they said, "We want you to be a part of this campaign." I said, "Look, that's fine. I'll do that. I'll do it if you want me to. I'm not really interested in being a poster boy, but I will." I said, "But I've got these guns. How can we leverage these guns? How can I cause a ripple effect? How can I throw a little pebble into a perfectly still body of water and have it become a wave?" Those are my words. And I was talking to a lady named Corinne Yohan. She was the director of Muggs. She's no longer there. But she says, "Let's think about it. Let me talk to Jeff Crane, the head of Congressional Sportsman's, and to Kevin Perry. Let me see what we can come up with."
1:13:27 Speaker 03 She called him back and she goes, "So you want to give us these guns and then we think we can auction them? And all the money and the proceeds, and you'll have to have them appraised, and anything over appraised value will, can be written off because they're going to go to all 501(c)(40) public companies."
1:13:48 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:13:49 Speaker 03 And so that's how it all came about. And that's what we did. We created the campaign, articles in all these magazines, alerting everybody. So some, hopefully some guy that's got a real nice nest egg who wants to give back to conservation will pay more than their appraised value.
1:14:06 Steven Rinella? Are you guys being public about the appraised value? Is there a minimum?
1:14:11 Speaker 03 I don't know how, Rock Island is the auction house. They auction off the finest guns in the world.
1:14:18 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:14:19 Speaker 03 And we chose them because there is a...
1:14:21 Steven Rinella? That's who we bought that punk gun from. Rock Island, yeah.
1:14:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:25 Speaker 04 Yeah, we met those guys at Pheasant Fest this year, or Quail Classic. And yeah, we ran through the hole.
1:14:32 Speaker 03 In Kansas City?
1:14:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:14:34 Speaker 03 Did you see the Primos guns?
1:14:35 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was telling you earlier, I personally just enjoy the fact that the 16 gauge is noticeably well-worn.
1:14:44 Speaker 03 I'm guilty.
1:14:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
1:14:49 Speaker 03 The 16 has a little more wear on it than the other ones.
1:14:52 Speaker 04 Well, I, I, to me, it makes it all more valuable because you're, you know, just like anything these days, if, if you can buy whatever, but if that thing has a story.
1:15:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:02 Speaker 04 It, it can be a lot more valuable.
1:15:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:04 Speaker 04 And, and so the whole set kind of has that, like, it is like fine, fine stuff. Anybody can see that. You're like, this is something that is set apart by craftsmanship.
1:15:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15:17 Speaker 04 Um, and there's, there's a couple of those guns don't look like they've been touched at all. But I'm sure they've been cleaned and yeah, uh, but the 16 has been, uh, cause I think you put extra swivel studs in there and stuff like that. Yeah.
1:15:32 Speaker 03 So I had swivel studs put on the 16 because it's my duck gun. When I'm putting out the decoys, I sling it on my shoulder. Well, little did I know, I'm scratching it back there with suspenders, the spender buckles and all that stuff, you know? Anyway, I had to have it, you know, kind of touched up.
1:15:50 Speaker 04 But yeah, the Rock Island folks, they have a whole, uh, it's online. I'm sure I haven't looked at it online, but I have a big catalog of the whole collection and, and there is, uh,
1:16:01 Speaker 04 we should look it up right now, but there is an appraisal price that has been posted.
1:16:06 Speaker 03 So the gun, the guns cost about a million one and they appraised for 800. Because they are, they are used.
1:16:12 Speaker 04 Oh, I see. Uh.
1:16:14 Speaker 03 So anything, anything that's paid over the appraised value can be written off.
1:16:18 Speaker 04 Right. But those guns, no matter who they belong to typically go for over appraised value.
1:16:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:16:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, those, those purdies do. Cause I mean, they're a major.
1:16:27 Speaker 03 Yeah. But there'll never ever be another set. So.
1:16:30 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:16:30 Speaker 03 Rock Island went to London and interviewed Nick Harlow, who is the curator of the London Guns World. And he sits right there and says, this will never ever be, never been done and it'll never be done. Not again.
1:16:43 Speaker 04 Yeah. One of a kind.
1:16:44 Speaker 03 One of a kind. Yeah. So anyway, um, so, you know, you, you go and you, you think about what, what somebody can do. So what I want is for other people also to think, other people have things that they've acquired in life.
1:16:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:16:59 Speaker 03 That are valuable.
1:17:01 Speaker 04 I'm touching one right here, buddy.
1:17:04 Speaker 03 Nobody wants your caster moonshine. I may want some for some bait. I may want that. I don't tell you what you'd catch. But anyway, so other people, hopefully we'll start a ripple effect in that way.
1:17:18 Steven Rinella? Yep.
1:17:18 Speaker 03 That other people can say, well, you know, I've got, uh, I've got this beautiful painting or I've got this gun or I got this and I'd like to give it to Congressional. I mean, they are working their butts off, like the Colorado Initiative to stop all the anti-hunting stuff. And, you know, if, if they don't get on the front end of it and, and, and provide the, the money and the resources and tap into all the people that they have access to, to tell the story, we're gonna lose.
1:17:51 Steven Rinella? Hit, hit me with a couple more details, just, just for folks listening. The, the auction, what are the, the, what, is it a specific? So I'm having a hard time communicating. Is it like a specific moment?
1:18:03 Speaker 03 December 5th to December 7th.
1:18:05 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:18:07 Speaker 03 The, the, the parties.
1:18:08 Steven Rinella? Like you gotta have like, so it's not like open for a long bid process that like it's a 48 hour bid?
1:18:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's gonna start and it'd probably be the 5th, the 5th, 6th and 7th. It'd probably be the 5th and 6th. They haven't narrowed that window down. I'll be there for the auction.
1:18:23 Steven Rinella? Oh, you will?
1:18:24 Speaker 03 In Dallas, yeah. My wife and I will.
1:18:27 Steven Rinella? Well, I gotta check what I got going on. 7th is Pearl Harbor. It's an auspicious day.
1:18:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, really.
1:18:37 Steven Rinella? That's pretty exciting, man.
1:18:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, it is. And, and, you know, I, I just can't say enough about these organizations and what they've gone to bat for us. And all of us hunters and fishermen and trappers and, and if we can do something, we should.
1:18:53 Steven Rinella? That's generous of you, man. That's, that's real admirable. Sounds like such a cool collection, too.
1:18:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, after I, I got the 28, you know, my wife was looking at the order, you know? It's real expensive. And, um,
1:19:11 Speaker 03 we, we, she says, I'm gonna go to Junicors. That's a real fancy jewelry store in town. I went, I said, okay. And she goes, I, I'm really looking at a really nice ring. I said, you can't catch me.
1:19:31 Steven Rinella? Okay, so December is coming up. We'll remind people as we go along, but in December, the collection, it's called the Primos Guns? Like, what's this, what's the sort of slang?
1:19:43 Speaker 03 Will Primos Purdy Collection, I guess.
1:19:45 Steven Rinella? The Will, I like that. The Will Primos Purdy Collection. The Will Primos Purdy Collection will go, and then that money will be divided up by five conservation organizations.
1:19:59 Speaker 03 That's correct.
1:19:59 Steven Rinella? That Will Primos has identified as having changed his life and helped his life.
1:20:05 Speaker 03 Changed many of our lives.
1:20:06 Steven Rinella? Changed many of our lives.
1:20:07 Speaker 03 And Rock Island, there is a buyer's commission and a seller's commission.
1:20:11 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:20:12 Speaker 03 And they have forgiven the seller's commission, which is going to be hundreds of thousands of dollars.
1:20:16 Steven Rinella? Wow.
1:20:16 Speaker 03 And they've given that back already. So, we're already on a roll here raising money with this deal.
1:20:23 Steven Rinella? Hmm. Has anyone reached out to you yet to tell you, like, I'm gonna be there and I'm bidding?
1:20:29 Speaker 03 I've had several people say, "I'm really interested."
1:20:32 Steven Rinella? Okay. You think they're serious? No one's tried to preempt?
1:20:39 Speaker 03 Uh, not that I know of, and I don't know how they do that.
1:20:42 Steven Rinella? Yeah, got it. Got it. Lastly, Steward Link. I hadn't heard about this.
1:20:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, so Steward Link is, uh, stewardlink.com. It is a group of tremendous agronomists, foresters, people that have all the degrees and all the certifications for writing conservation programs. A lot of these people are former National Resource Conservation Service, NRCS, part of the US Department of Agriculture's office. That have come together, just like a CPA represents you to the IRS.
1:21:25 Speaker 03 The people at Steward Link represent the steward of the land, the person who owns the land in farmership or the person who leases it in farming, they're the steward, whoever controls the land.
1:21:33 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:21:34 Speaker 03 And they represent them and help them access the government programs.
1:21:39 Steven Rinella? Okay. Uh. Which is probably like a Byzantine structure that's hard to navigate.
1:21:44 Speaker 03 And there's, there's all kind of issues with it. You, everything's ranked. So when you, uh, the conservation stewardship program, CSP program, if you apply for the, for a conservation stewardship program, and you apply, everybody in here applies. We all have 500 acres, 1,000 acres, 250 acres. We get ranked. Who has the most opportunity to put the most conservation on the ground?
1:22:05 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:22:06 Speaker 03 But I hired Steward Link and Steward Link knew that if they would write certain plans, these are, these are activity plans, conservation activity plans, CAP, conservation activity, CAP, cap plan. And I think the name, the acronym may have changed recently with the, they're changing stuff all the time. But anyway, these plans, we, uh, the plans were written for me, for mine. I was gonna do a nutrient plan.
1:22:32 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:22:33 Speaker 03 I was gonna do a, uh, a, a water conservation plan, a variable rate pesticide plan, a variable rate, uh, fertilizer plan, and I had all these plans written
1:22:45 Speaker 03 and didn't cost me a penny. And that's part of my application and I ranked the highest and I got the $400,000.
1:22:53 Steven Rinella? Hmm.
1:22:55 Speaker 04 I mean, a big, big problem, right, is you have producers, farmers, ranchers that are working 16-hour days. And then in order to understand this stuff, apply for it, have the back and forth, that takes a hell of a lot of time too.
1:23:10 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:23:11 Speaker 04 At the, at the back end of that day.
1:23:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:23:13 Speaker 04 And there's huge, huge bottlenecks in these systems.
1:23:16 Speaker 03 And the NRCS employees, there's, there's right here on Main Street in Botham, there's a NRCS office. Those people are great. But there's only so many hours in the day.
1:23:26 Steven Rinella? Mm-hmm.
1:23:26 Speaker 03 And, you know, and there's so many, there, there's these plans, Mississippi, because we're in Mississippi, that's where we started. It's number one in CSP. It's the number one state in all the country. We went to California, the whole state of California had only four CSP plans that had ever been approved.
1:23:48 Speaker 03 So now we're going to New, we're in New York, Indiana, Ohio. We've got employees in those states and we're constantly meeting with farmers and helping them understand what's available.
1:23:59 Steven Rinella? Let's say, just help me out. So I'm a farmer in, give me a state where you guys were.
1:24:04 Speaker 03 Wisconsin.
1:24:05 Steven Rinella? Okay, I'm a farmer in Wisconsin. And I have a thousand acres.
1:24:13 Steven Rinella? And I want to know even just what is available for conservation funding for my land.
1:24:18 Speaker 03 That's correct.
1:24:20 Steven Rinella? That's the first step is call and be like, I'm managing a thousand acres for my family.
1:24:25 Speaker 03 It's located in this county. Here's my farm number. We can access all that and look at everything and, and, and give you the information and you don't have to hire us.
1:24:33 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
1:24:33 Speaker 03 If we can help you, we will help you. That's, that's, that's.
1:24:37 Steven Rinella? And that'd be like questions like, should I put stuff in CRP? Is there a way that I should be categorizing portions of my land for different tax structures or whatever?
1:24:46 Speaker 03 Exactly.
1:24:47 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
1:24:47 Speaker 03 I mean, it's just a tremendous amount of opportunities for instance. Let's say you've got a piece of land and next to you is a piece of land that's got WRE, Water File Reserve Esment on it.
1:25:01 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:25:02 Speaker 03 At, which was a former, you know, Wetlands Protection Plan. And it was planted in trees and you, it borders you. And you want to put it on yours. Well, guess what? You already rank higher than most because you border a park that already has.
1:25:19 Steven Rinella? Oh, got it.
1:25:20 Speaker 03 So we know that. So we, oh, we need to focus on this. And then there's equip, there's equip. You've got a piece of land. You're, you're in Montana and it's a little bit rolling. And you don't have any money. You're barely making it trying to grow weed or whatever you're doing.
1:25:35 Speaker 04 I'm familiar. Go ahead.
1:25:36 Speaker 03 But you, you need to level that land. If you could level it and you could irrigate it a different way. And so that all the water would flow correctly, slowly and maximize the water that you have some water, but you need more, da-da-da-da-da. We can write you an equip plan and the government will come in and give you money to level that land, to move the dirt and to make it.
1:26:04 Speaker 04 And then so on the implementation side of things, is that, is that where folks start cutting, cutting checks to steward link?
1:26:14 Speaker 03 Steward link does, you don't, you don't pay steward link a dime unless you get approved for a program.
1:26:21 Speaker 04 Nice.
1:26:21 Speaker 03 And then you don't pay, you don't pay steward link a dime until you get the money. Let's say you qualified and you might, you've qualified for a $400,000 program. You get the, you get the program, you pay steward link typically 20%. You get the money, then you write them a check.
1:26:37 Speaker 04 Yep. Cool.
1:26:38 Speaker 03 So you don't, you don't spend anything.
1:26:40 Steven Rinella? I don't want to get too far into the details here, but does that 20%?
1:26:45 Steven Rinella? That's got to come out of pocket though, because you got to put the grant on the ground.
1:26:50 Speaker 03 You're not paying the 20% until you get the money. That means you've got it and it's happening.
1:26:54 Steven Rinella? But let's say I, let's say, okay, let's say I, I apply and I get a hundred dollars. And the assumption is I'm going to take the hundred dollars and put the hundred dollars onto the land, to the program.
1:27:06 Speaker 03 Well, they're going to pay, the money, it's all, it's all under, you, you've got to do what's supposed to be done.
1:27:14 Steven Rinella? Yes, I'm saying, so I got to go find the 20 dollars because I've taken a hundred. I got to go find 20 dollars somewhere else to, for steward.
1:27:23 Speaker 03 Either that or you take it out of that.
1:27:24 Steven Rinella? Oh, so that's what I'm saying. There is a way to get it out of that.
1:27:26 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:27:27 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:27:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:27:28 Steven Rinella? Because that was part of implementation.
1:27:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's part, it's, it's part of the plan to implement all the things and we will help monitor to make sure you're doing, you're part of the game because you're not just going to get this money and not do it.
1:27:40 Steven Rinella? Yep.
1:27:41 Speaker 03 You've got to spend the money in the right place.
1:27:43 Steven Rinella? Um, you talk about like implementation. There's a funny story where, uh,
1:27:49 Steven Rinella? I got a buddy that had a, he's got his land in CRP, the CRP program.
1:27:53 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
1:27:54 Steven Rinella? It's, you know, it's strict, right? What you do and don't do. Well, they had a deer blind set on a hay wagon. And one day he was told, hey, you got farm equipment on the CRP. He's like, no, we don't. And he realized it was a blind on a hay wagon.
1:28:13 Steven Rinella? And they were just look when they, they like drive by and look.
1:28:17 Steven Rinella? And, um, he's like, oh, wow. You're right. They moved, they moved the hay wagon.
1:28:24 Speaker 03 You gotta do.
1:28:24 Steven Rinella? So it's like, like dudes come by and they like see what's going on.
1:28:27 Speaker 03 That's right.
1:28:28 Steven Rinella? Yeah. You can get, you can get dinged. Yeah.
1:28:31 Speaker 03 You gotta do what you're supposed to do to implement the program properly. To put conservation on the ground.
1:28:36 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
1:28:36 Speaker 03 Everything flows downstream. If we use less fertilizer, could we variable rate it rather than just broadcast it everywhere? Then we're sending less nitrogen, less, less nutrients downstream, which over bloom stuff and screws up the creeks. So there's a reason for it.
1:28:53 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
1:28:56 Steven Rinella? Excellent, man. Anything else you wanna, anything else you need to tell us about from, from Will Primo's land?
1:29:04 Speaker 03 Something that's kind of funny. So, um, this, this, this place in Virginia called the Homestead.
1:29:12 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:29:14 Speaker 03 It's old. Oh, the first US Open Sporting Clay Championship was hell there. It's in Hot Springs, Virginia, if I got the city correct. And they contacted me about the gun giveaway.
1:29:27 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:29:27 Speaker 03 And they said, we wanted to do something to help you with that deal. We want to attract more people. And I said, okay, what you want to do? He said, we want to have a shoot and we want to call it the Will Primo's Invitational.
1:29:37 Steven Rinella? Ah.
1:29:39 Speaker 03 That kind of made me laugh. I said, okay, do you have to shoot very good if you enter this thing?
1:29:47 Speaker 03 So that's happening, that's coming up in July.
1:29:50 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:29:50 Speaker 03 And it's gonna be an exclusive set of people who are interested in bidding on the guns that are coming.
1:29:56 Steven Rinella? Can people go get on the list?
1:29:58 Speaker 03 You get, yeah, you, you, you pay.
1:30:00 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
1:30:00 Speaker 03 And so much of the proceeds to be a part of this exclusive Omni Resort dinner, meals, shooting, goes to the Congressional Sportsman's Foundation.
1:30:10 Steven Rinella? Okay, so if someone is kicking the idea around of getting ready for a bid in December, and they want to experience the guns.
1:30:19 Speaker 03 The guns are gonna be there.
1:30:21 Steven Rinella? Yeah, so here's an opportunity to show up and.
1:30:23 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:30:24 Steven Rinella? Here's an opportunity to show up and.
1:30:25 Speaker 04 And we'll give you the hard sell personally.
1:30:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:30:31 Steven Rinella? Alright.
1:30:32 Speaker 03 I might even let somebody shoot one of the guns if that, if that, if insurance will cover it.
1:30:38 Steven Rinella? They're, they're, are they already out of your name? They're not in your name anymore?
1:30:41 Speaker 03 They're in the Congressional Sportsman's Foundation.
1:30:43 Steven Rinella? Gotcha, gotcha.
1:30:45 Speaker 03 And Rock Island carries the insurance.
1:30:46 Steven Rinella? Where, where do they sit right now?
1:30:49 Speaker 03 Right now, they're in Baltimore, Maryland at the DU President's Convention.
1:30:53 Steven Rinella? Okay.
1:30:53 Speaker 03 They're being shown right.
1:30:54 Steven Rinella? So they're on the road?
1:30:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, just like they were at.
1:30:57 Steven Rinella? Yeah.
1:30:58 Speaker 03 Yeah. At Kansas City.
1:30:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, cuz I know the Rock Island boys were telling me that, um, the, part of the reason for going to Purdy and talking was to figure out what the insurance price needs to be, uh, what, what type of coverage they need to have and, and it's a heck of a lot more than eight hundred thousand.
1:31:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:31:16 Steven Rinella? The Rock Island boys, sounds like something if you're reading about the Civil War.
1:31:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:31:21 Steven Rinella? It's like someone that took the backside of the hill at Antietam or something.
1:31:28 Speaker 03 The Kevin Hogan, uh, is one of the owners of Rock Island. They're incredible people. They're great contributions.
1:31:35 Steven Rinella? Is that right? Okay, that's good to know.
1:31:38 Speaker 03 They're, they're, they're for us.
1:31:41 Steven Rinella? Good. All right, man. Well, thanks for coming on. I appreciate you taking the time.
1:31:44 Speaker 03 Man, it's awesome to be with you. You are nuts. I'm gonna tell you what, that caster and moonshine.
1:31:50 Steven Rinella? You know, I've, I've, I've often said I got a problem where like I, I, I, like if, I bring this up all the time, but like if someone's telling me about a health problem, I'll start feeling like I got the health problem. Do you know what I mean?
1:32:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:32:02 Steven Rinella? If someone's like, oh, you know, my uncle had testicular cancer. I'll get like a terrible ache.
1:32:08 Steven Rinella? Just, and now I've gotten my head like, I'm like, well, what would happen if you drank a little bit of that?
1:32:14 Speaker 04 I thought you were gonna say now, if you just take a finger, uh, moonshine caster, it cures what ails you.
1:32:20 Speaker 03 I'm telling you, that, that stuff has such a unique, you, you, you need to, I mean, you, you need to patent it or something.
1:32:27 Steven Rinella? Yeah, there's some commercial application. I'm not sure what it is.
1:32:31 Speaker 04 Well, I was wondering if the lights went out, if we could just light it on fire and then burn forever.
1:32:35 Steven Rinella? Great candle, man.
1:32:39 Steven Rinella? Next time you come out, we'll have a plan for that jar.
1:32:41 Speaker 06 Phil, cover your ears, Phil.
1:32:43 Speaker 03 Y'all are awesome. Thank you for having me.
1:32:45 Steven Rinella? Thank you. Will Primos, thank you very much.
1:32:48 Speaker 03 Yes, sir.
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