JRE MMA Show #180 with Daniel Rodriguez

Joe sits down with Daniel Rodriguez, a professional mixed martial artist competing in the Ultimate Fighting Championship’s welterweight division.www.ufc.com/athlete/daniel-rodriguez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  D-Rod, free.

• 0:14Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  What a fucking crazy story. So, let's, let's fill people in. So, you were a top contender in the UFC's welterweight division, and then somehow or another, you wound up getting arrested in Mexico.

• 0:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, right after the Kevin Holland fight, actually. I was, I was in, I was celebrating. I was over in San Diego, had some drinks, and decided, you know what, let's go to, let's go to TJ.

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  Always a phrase that is regretted.

• 0:45Speaker 02

  Well, we're not even that far.

• 0:46Joe Rogan?

  When you're in San Diego, you're drinking. You could walk there, shit.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, literally. So, decided to go to TJ for the, for the night, you know, go celebrate my win. I was obviously in celebration mode. And I had an ounce of weed in the car, you know, and I've been across the border 100 times, bro. Never had no issues, never had no problems, never got stopped, pulled over. That's the last thing I would even think, is that...

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  I thought weed was legal in Mexico.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  I thought, I thought so too, like here...

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  I thought everything's decriminalized down there.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Apparently not, man. The, the laws are like crazy, crazy strict over there, you know, and I've been in situations before where I could like just offer some money and get out the situation, you know, like 500 bucks at, at the most, you know, they'll just let me on my way. But got pulled over at the border, and the border inspection found, found the weed in my, in my backpack. And I was thinking I wasn't going to be in that situation where I could bribe my way out of it, because it's Mexico. I've been there before, and, and I've been in these situations. And, nah, man, I thought, you know, they took me to jail that night, and I was thinking, alright, I'm just gonna be here for the weekend, I'll

• 2:01Speaker 02

  get out Monday, you know, go to court. And they're like, nah, we'll see you in a month. I'm like, a month? You know, like, why? It's just weed, you know what I mean? And, um, yeah, eight months later.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy, can you please look up what the laws are in Mexico for marijuana? Cause, man, I was reading something just a few years ago, how they... Here it goes, marijuana is decriminalized for personal recreational use in Mexico, but there's no legal commercial market and buying it or selling it remains illegal for tourists and visitors. Possession is strictly prohibited.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  Wait, what the hell?

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  It's tourists and visitors. So for everybody else, you would be good. Like, if you were a Mexican resident, you would have been good. It looks like, according to this. Uh, personal limits can possess up to five grams, uh, and up to twenty-eight grams is decriminalized. How many grams are in an ounce? Uh, that's one ounce? Twenty-eight?

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it was a, it was approximately twenty-eight grams.

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  So approximately, you should have been decriminalized. But the thing is, I think it's if you live there. The border, transporting marijuana, including edibles and concentrates, across the US-Mexico border is either, in either direction, is a serious federal offense. US Customs and Border Protection strictly enforces federal laws prohibiting the import-export of cannabis. But wait a minute, that's, that's US, but what about Mexico? You got arrested by Mexican police, right?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got, I got, uh, arrested.

• 3:37Joe Rogan?

  Either direction, wow. But, but I feel like if you got arrested by Mexico, uh, anyway. Tourists, while small possession is technically decriminalized for Mexican residents, the Mexican government explicitly prohibits tourists from possessing or consuming drugs, and you could face serious jail time. So that's crazy, like, people would go over there going, hey, no worries, I'm in Mexico, it's decriminalized here, but not for a fucking tourist.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  Dude, they were trying to give me six years, bro.

• 4:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  Six years, and, and I had to, we had to do all kinds of stuff for me to get out, dude, like...

• 4:10Joe Rogan?

  Did the UFC get involved?

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Um, Hunter did, um, my management did reach out to, uh, Hunter, and they couldn't do anything.

• 4:19Joe Rogan?

  Nothing.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  The reason why...

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Isn't there somebody who could get a little of that?

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Alright, we'll get into that, we'll get into that, that's, cause I, I'm out. I'm out, you know, and, um... So I learned real quick how corrupt the the system is over there. Everybody's trying to get trying to get paid. And the reason why that I was in there so long is I guess at the time where I got arrested, the the the whole judicial system was going through an election at the time. So it was new judges. So all the all the judges that were like taking bribes and stuff before, they had all got they they they switched out the judges. So the new judges were there were like, all right, we just got here. We're not trying to take no, you know, we're trying to play it by the book and get comfortable.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  So I was supposed to get released in December. And and I guess I don't even know if I could even really.

• 5:18Joe Rogan?

  Don't get in trouble.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't get in trouble. They're worth it. You can tell me later. If it's anything super crazy.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  It's very corrupt. It's very corrupt in there. But, um, you know,

• 5:31Speaker 02

  it's it's crazy, dude, like even being in there.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  So my whole experience, my whole experience in there was like so crazy.

• 5:41Joe Rogan?

  How long do you speak Spanish?

• 5:42Speaker 02

  I'm I'm I'm a expert now. I'm like fluent.

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  Because of that experience or before?

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Well, I had already been.

• 5:48Joe Rogan?

  You're obviously.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  I had already known I already know Spanish, but being in there is like became.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  Fluent, yeah, of course.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:57Joe Rogan?

  But thank God you could speak it. Imagine if like I got arrested in Mexico, I'd be fucked.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, so when I first got there, um, when I went to court the first time, one of the guards recognized me. And he's like, you know, I'm in handcuffs and shit. And he's like, yo, can I get a picture? I'm like, what? What?

• 6:19Speaker 02

  I'm right there taking pictures with the guards, bro.

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  That must have been so surreal.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, you're fucking top UFC contender in cuffs in jail. The fucking guard wants to take a picture with you. Wow.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  While I'm in handcuffs. And the other inmates were like looking around like, what the fuck? Who is this guy? You know, because like the the guard was like, yo, this is this is such and such, you know? So. Um, as we're getting transported to the jail, which was the worst, I mean, I've been in jail before. I've like, I, I'm like from the age of 15 to like 23, I was constantly in and out of jail. You know, I'm from LA, you know, um, I was, you know, gang member and, and, you know, living in the hood. And, uh, this time around was a whole different experience.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Um, one, I'm in a foreign country and, uh, so I get there and they put us like in the, in the processing area. And the processing area is like, probably about this, this big and like 20 dudes in there. All sleeping on the floor, two dudes per bunk, three, three, um, I don't know, three bunk, th- three levels bunk. And, um, I was there for like the first, like the first 10 days.

• 7:41Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  Hell, bro. It was the worst. Like I had, I don't know what kind of bugs there was in there, but they were like biting up my whole body. I had like, like just, just bite. I don't know what it was, dude. It was like.

• 7:53Joe Rogan?

  Bedbugs, probably something like that.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably, probably bedbugs or something. And.

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• 10:45Speaker 02

  Right when I had first got there, one of the inmates that saw, that seen the guards taking pictures of me

• 10:52Speaker 02

  was like, we were right there conversating the whole time. And he, he had, he had just got released from there, but he had did five years. He was out for like two weeks, got arrested with a gun and then came back. So he's like, hey, I'm calm, it's like, I'mma, I'mma try to get you out of here, you know? And over there.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  The guards had tried to charge me seven grand, bro, to get me out of that, to get me out of that cell and to move me into like a better, a better place. Cause over there, if you got, if you got some money, you'll be alright, you know? And um, so right before that happened, the dude that was like, yo, I'm gonna come back for you. Both of you worry about it.

• 11:30Joe Rogan?

  So how's this work? Does the guard come up to you and go, hey, I can get you in a cell, but it'll cost you seven thousand?

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:36Joe Rogan?

  They come up to you and tell you that?

• 11:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the dude that I, that was, that was, that I had got to the, the prison with, he comes back down and he's like, hey, he's like, hey, um, the guards came, they pulled me out and they pulled me, they bring me to a whole different like section of, of um, of the prison, third, the third floor and the second building. And I go up there and I'm escorted by the guards and there's like a curtain. It's like a, a curtain covering like the tier. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Like, why is there a curtain? And I get in there and they pull me to this dude and this dude's like, oh, you're, you're a UFC fighter? You know, it turns out dude's like head of the cartel, you know, like a cartel leader.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  And he's like, he's like, oh, he's like, I want to just show you around a little bit, let you know how, how we're running things over here, you know? Kind of just gave me the rundown and uh, this dude had it made. You know, I get there and there's TVs in the fucking cell. Dude has a Playstation. He has like, like a whole bunch of, just all the amenities you can think of, you know? Um, he's like, yeah, he's like showing me around and shit, kind of, kind of showing me off. Hey, there guys, look, look at this guy, this guy. You know, he's a UFC fighter, you know, and I'm like, alright, you know, what's going on here? You know, and like, you know, cause it's jail, dog, you know? I, I'm like, if anything happens, I'm gonna fucking use all my experience to survive this motherfucker, you know?

• 13:07Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  And so he's like, just pretty much give me the rundown. He's like, yo, uh, he's like, I run in here, this is like pretty much, you know, our, our, this is our home, you know? So that dude was facing some charges. He got released and um, he was, he was facing some charges of um,

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Him and his like thirteen dudes, he got arrested with his whole crew. Him and thirteen dudes were all in that tier, so he had all his whole, his whole squad with them. And they had got arrested for dressing up as, as um like government officials or like military dudes. And they would go like raid dope houses and, and, and pick their drugs, whatever. So they had got it all arrested for that and they were facing some serious time and. And I'm, I'm over here like, dude, I just got arrested for a fucking ounce of weed, bro. This is crazy. He's like, oh no, you'll be out soon, don't even worry about it. But if you want, we could get you, we can get you like accommodated and you could come up here with us, you know, you like, you be my cellmate or whatever, you could be wherever you want.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  And I'm like, alright, he's like, yeah, but uh it's gonna cost you a little bit of money. I was like, oh yeah, how much? Like three thousand? And I looked at the guard, the guard that was trying to charge me seven, I was like. He said seven, he's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. He's trying to get more extra money out of you, like, but you do gotta like. Pay to get up here and like kinda like pay rent a little bit, you know, to the guards. So I'm like, alright, yeah, yeah. So I'm like, alright, cool. So immediately I'm, I was like, yeah, let's do it. So he's like this brand new like Nike tracksuit.

• 14:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh shit.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm like, alright, he's like, we'll come, we'll come up here tomorrow. So I get there.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Um, I get there and then he's like, yeah, just be my cellmate. So.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Um, I pretty much ended up being like this guy's like, I ended up getting the, the feeling like. I was like his protection kinda like, or like, you know, like when we would go to yard, I'd just be like, he'd be like, hey, walk with me, like. And I would kinda like just, I got the impression like, like, like alright, I'm his cellmate, you know, um. Like I got this guy's back, you know, he got my back, I got his, and I really trusted him, you know, and, and, and that's one hard thing to do in jail. But like you catch vibes off people real easy, you know, and, and. And yeah, dude, it was just a crazy ass experience, dude. I ended up. Um, we ended up working out with the, with the, working it out with the, with the guards

• 15:43Speaker 02

  to, to get me some fucking boxing gloves, dude. I ended up getting some boxing gloves in there, um, some, some mitts. And it just so happened that the dude that I was cellmates with, he had a little bit of boxing experience. So he, he had been a boxer before, so I was like, oh, perfect, you know? And he actually knew how to hold pads and stuff, so, so I ended up spending this whole time.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  Please tell me you didn't spar him.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  No, no, he wanted to, uh, no, no.

• 16:12Joe Rogan?

  That, that's how it goes south.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm glad you're smart.

• 16:18Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? Like as soon as you said boxing gloves, I'm like, oh, please tell me this doesn't end the way I think it ends.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  No, no, yeah, we ended up, we ended up actually being really cool. And, um, yeah, dude, I ended up pretty much spending this whole time like in a boxing fight camp, you know?

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember I even, I even made like a makeshift double N bag. What I did was like, I got balled up like a bunch of plastic bags, like really like, like made it real tight and like, so it's like hard. Threw it in a sock. Um, I was able to, to, to buy, um, from the guards, like, uh.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  Bungee cord?

• 16:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, bungee cord and then set that up.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I made a heavy bag, cause they had like these big gallons of water. And, and I, I got the gallon of water and I wrapped it with like the, um, the mat from the, from the bed. So I was, and I just threw it in a bag and I, and we had like a pull-up bar in our, in our cell. And I made a, I made a heavy bag out of that. And then whenever we would go to yard, I would just spend the whole time running that yard. And I was just trying to do everything I could do to try and stay in shape, man. And it just time went, time went on, the time went on, the time went on. And, uh.

• 17:28Joe Rogan?

  What kind of food did they get you in his cell?

• 17:32Speaker 02

  It's all junk food dude.

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  Still?

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, it was all junk food like chips, noodles.

• 17:39Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Soda, you know, water, condiments.

• 17:44Joe Rogan?

  So no protein?

• 17:45Speaker 02

  None, none, none, none whatsoever. And I didn't think about that part, you know, because I was working out like crazy. And I was getting shredded, but as time went on, my mu- like, like when I got out, I was skinny as hell, bro. I was skinny as hell and, and the only source of protein would probably be soy.

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it give like.

• 18:07Joe Rogan?

  Couldn't you bribe someone to bring in some fucking meat if you're the cartel?

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing. Like, this is crazy. Like, so towards the end, towards like the, the, the final end of it. Um, I guess the guards started cracking down on, on like a lot of the stuff that was going on. So we started to, to lose a lot of those amenities that we were getting in the beginning. And I, and I, I was just, you know, when I got out, I was just, uh, malnourished as hell, bro. I'll show you a picture later, like what I looked like when I got out, completely different person.

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  How much weight did you lose?

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Um, I didn't really lose that much weight, but it was just like more my muscles were just.

• 18:49Joe Rogan?

  Were you thinking about going to fifty-five? Were you like, damn, I might be able to make fifty-five?

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Man, I made. I've made one fifty-five, one, one fifty-five one time in my career.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  Dude, you made fifty-five? That must have been hell.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was my, it was the worst fight camp ever. Um, it was all based on.

• 19:09Joe Rogan?

  Losing the weight.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Losing the weight, losing the weight. And then I was just so, I remember after the, I made one fifty-five. I didn't even want to go to the gym for like a, a month, bro. I was like, dude, I need to, this, this, like, my body was just done, bro.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're killing your body.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:26Joe Rogan?

  What is this?

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that's some of the workouts I was doing while I was in prison.

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  But no protein unfortunately.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, but no protein. So I was getting pretty shredded like when, in, in, in that like period in time. That was when we had like a lot of, like, we had food and, and everything was cool. And if you notice.

• 19:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at that, the double N bag. That's nice, dude.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. And like you can see the TV in the back.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  On the, with the Playstation, but I mean, it wasn't.

• 19:55Joe Rogan?

  Dude, you're looking good.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  Tighten those hands up. Nice, I bet.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, it was just like a, it was like a whole experience. It was crazy because this guy, he'd be like, you know, the guards would come and he'd be like, "Hey, uh, leave my door open, yeah?" And the guards will actually leave this door open, so like, we were able to like, walk around the tier and go talk to other people. Like, me, I, I kept to myself a lot. Like, I've been in jail like, a ton of times before. And I learned, I learned, uh, easily that, you know, you'll, you'll, you'll go like, a long, uh, you'll, you'll get by if you just mind your own business and not get involved in shit.

• 20:34Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  And not get involved with things. So, like, I would just stick to myself, you know, and, and, and just, you know, just get my workout on and, and, and.

• 20:43Joe Rogan?

  Avoid trouble.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Avoid trouble, you know? But it was crazy to see firsthand how the cartel operates. And it's crazy, man. They got their hands in everything over there.

• 20:55Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Everything.

• 20:56Joe Rogan?

  You know, there, there was thirty-seven assassinations in Mexico last election? Thirty-seven?

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:04Joe Rogan?

  Different political people. And I was talking to Ed Calderon, do you know who he is?

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's, uh, @EdManifesto on Instagram. He was, he used to work for the Mexican government, and then he became an American citizen, and he was involved with prosecuting the cartel, going after them, and stuff like that. And he was essentially saying that, like, the entire judicial system, all the mayors, everyone, if they get in, they're cartel members. Like, no one gets in. No one is a, no one is a mayor unless they're in the cartel. And when they're getting assassinated, it's cartel assassinations. It's one cartel, you know, wants their guy in, another cartel wants their guy in, and they just shoot the other dude.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:47Joe Rogan?

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• 23:04Speaker 02

  So, one of the guys there was actually the actual hitman, who was an actual like hitman. And he was in there, like, he's like, "Yeah, man, I've killed like 30 cops in my whole experience." And he was in there for, and they were, they were just like telling me about all these things. I'm like, "Dude, like, everybody is involved in this shit. It's crazy, you know, and, and, and over here, like, if you kill a fucking cop, they're like, they're coming after you." But over there, you know, I guess it's just another thing. Killing, killing over there.

• 23:39Joe Rogan?

  The cops are a lower tier than the cartel. That's what it is.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:42Joe Rogan?

  The cartel have more money, more power, more influence. Yeah.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  And it's crazy how like murders, just they're not even that big of a deal over there. You know? While I was in there, I, I, I, I was reading or I saw that Mexico has the Guinness World Record for missing people, uh, missing persons.

• 24:02Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit, dude.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, and it was crazy. There's so many like, there was so many hitmen in there. It was crazy, but you know, I didn't, I didn't have, I didn't get no shit from nobody, you know, everybody was that cool as hell.

• 24:14Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. Well, you're an easy to get along with dude.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  Luckily.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:18Joe Rogan?

  Did anybody ask you to train him?

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Actually, dude, there's some dogs in there, man.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  I bet.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  There's this one guy in particular, I'm like, dude, you gotta fucking start fighting, you like, and he's like, he's, he was, uh, one of, one of the military dudes, and he's just a little fucking machine dude. And in the time that I was there, he got, he got really good, really quick, you know, and I'm like, dude, you gotta like, go to the gym down in TJ, uh, that interim gym.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  I had, I had mentioned like, yo, even when I got, when I, when I got released, um, that, uh, man, we, we did a whole lot of things to try to get me out, man, um. There's a ton of fighters even try to pull some strings for me, like Yair Rodriguez, you know, uh, Brandon Moreno, he's from TJ. And, and, and nobody, nobody could help me out, man. Everybody tried to pull strings for me, and.

• 25:11Joe Rogan?

  Nobody came up with a number?

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Eventually.

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  What was, how much, what was the number? Can you tell? Uh, I don't want you to get in trouble.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Nah.

• 25:21Joe Rogan?

  No, don't get in trouble.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it was.

• 25:23Joe Rogan?

  Talk to me later.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  It was hefty. It was.

• 25:25Joe Rogan?

  I bet.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  It was not cheap.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  I bet.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  It was not cheap at all.

• 25:28Joe Rogan?

  I bet.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:29Joe Rogan?

  Everybody wants to get paid.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. Yeah, it was crazy, uh, crazy experience, dude, and, um,

• 25:38Speaker 02

  to get out of jail, you know, and then, and then, now I have this fight, I'm headlining, headlining, um, UFC Serbia, first time in Serbia, fighting neurosomatic.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  When is that fight?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  August 1st.

• 25:52Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, to get out of, to get, to go through all that, and then, and then to have this opportunity, is just crazy, and to be here, to be here is just, is just crazy, man, cause I didn't, I didn't think I was gonna get, I, I wasn't sure if I was gonna get out, man.

• 26:08Joe Rogan?

  For a good reason. A lot of people don't.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, United States prison system is fucked too, but nothing like Mexico's. Everybody that I've talked to that has any experience in Mexican jail, and they're like, dude, it's not good.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, man, uh. It was it was crazy, bro.

• 26:27Joe Rogan?

  I just can't believe the cartel can't sneak meat in.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  We did sometimes.

• 26:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sometimes?

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did sometimes. We had, they would bring us groceries, bro.

• 26:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:37Joe Rogan?

  Because that's the first thing that I would want, man. I would feel like, look, what do we gotta do to these guards? What kind of car you drive, dog? Let's upgrade that motherfucker. We gotta do something. I can't be eating noodles.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 26:52Joe Rogan?

  Especially as hard as you work out?

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was I was working out like two, three, three hard, hard workouts a day, you know, I'll do, um, so I'm kind of programmed like, like to just work out, you know, I think, I think from my prior jail experiences before, the only positive thing that I think that helped me in that whole everything that I've been through is like, when you're in jail, like, I personally, I'm like, I would I would think like, dude, you, you, you gotta be strong. You gotta be able to defend yourself. You wanna like, that's, that's my whole reason for, for staying in shape, you know? When I started, um, doing MMA, it was just to, to, to be able to defend myself, you know, in situations like if I ever did go to jail,

• 27:39Speaker 02

  you know, and the only

• 27:42Speaker 02

  thing that I, positive that I, that I took from that is like when I got, when I, when I get released from prison prior, um, I just want to work out. I'm, I'm already programmed to, to just work out all day, you know, so once I found MMA, I was like, oh, this is perfect, you know, and, and

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  How old were you when you first started training?

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Twenty-five.

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:07Joe Rogan?

  That's late.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 28:09Joe Rogan?

  To turn into a UFC contender, that's very impressive. Not a lot of guys start it late. Did you have any sports experience before that?

• 28:17Speaker 02

  None, bro.

• 28:17Joe Rogan?

  Nothing?

• 28:18Speaker 02

  None.

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  None, but I had, I had been in no bullshit though. I had been in probably around two hundred street fights already, including all my jail experience. You know, when I was in juvenile hall, I was a straight knucklehead, bro. I was fighting like every other day. And it was just, it became just fun. Just fun, like if, if like you were like a, a, like a tough looking dude of like, "Hey, what's up, man? You want a scrap or what, bro?" Like, you know, I just, he's like, "Why?" "Like, cuz you're big, bro. I just wanna fight you."

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and-

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  With no training? You had no training at all?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Nah, no training, man. Just, just, just wanna, just wanna learn how to fight. Just wanna be tough.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  By fighting?

• 29:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so-

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy way to learn.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. Just, and like, dude, you can't, I mean, like, imagine getting in a fight with your cellmate. Like, that's some crazy shit.

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy shit.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:14Joe Rogan?

  You gotta sleep together.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, sleep with one eye open, bro, like-

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  Didn't sleep at all, yeah.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, um, yeah, so that's, that's the only experience I had prior to, to starting MMA. And then, I remember, I stopped going to jail when I was like twenty-three. When I stopped going to jail, I started having kids, and I'm like, "All right, gotta start, I gotta stop gang-banging." Because I used to think going to jail was cool.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 29:41Speaker 02

  I used to think it was cool because you get out and you just have like a little more respect. Like, like, I thought, I thought it was cool. I thought like, like, "Oh, going to jail makes you a badass," you know? But, once I started having kids, I realized like, "All right, I gotta take care of, I got human beings I gotta fucking, I gotta take care of and raise," you know? So, I started looking for every, any possible way to try to live a decent life. And I've tried everything, man. I've had every job we could think of. And, but, I've even had good jobs before, and I've lost them, you know? By just being a knucklehead and going back to jail.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  And, I remember, I got out of prison one time, and my cousin hits me up and he's like, "Yo, uh, come to my house, bro. We're gonna, we're gonna watch, uh, some fights and barbecue and stuff." I was like, "All right, yeah, dope." And I was like, "Who's fighting?" He's like, "Uh, some dude Rampage." I'm like, "Who the fuck's Rampage?" So I get there and that's when Forrest Griffin had fought, Rampage won the light heavyweight title. And I'm like, yo, this is amazing, bro. And then I fell in love with Chuck Liddell. And I'm like, dude, this, he's just like me, bro. He's like, knock him dudes out. You know, and I just obsessed with it. I just obsessed with it.

• 31:02Joe Rogan?

  So that was your first exposure to MMA?

• 31:05Speaker 02

  I had seen it before, like when it was Tank Abbott.

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, early days.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, in the early days, but it never caught my attention, like, because I had always been a boxing fan. I'm a huge boxing fan. And, and I grew up watching boxing, like, all of, like, majority of my family functions growing up. They were all boxing events, like Oscar De La Hoya, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather. And, and I was just, I loved boxing, you know, and I remember, I mean, I did have a little bit of experience before going into MMA. Cause when I lived in the hood, I would always have boxing gloves and I would always make my homies fight each other. Like when we're all hanging out, like, hey, you go with him, you go with him. Because like, you know, we're all boys and I want them to like, I always wanted them to, to, to,

• 31:54Speaker 02

  like, hey, in case, in case anything happens, in case we're ever all out and we get in a rumble with somebody or anything like that, like, I try to make my homies more tougher, you know, cause like, hey, you guys gotta have my back, I got yours. And that's just, that's, that's just something we just did, you know, or like, we'll, we'll just go body shots, body punches, you know?

• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  And just fight each other. So that's kind of my background, bro, to be honest with you. And, and yeah, man, I just, I just, I just carried that into, into the gym when I first went.

• 32:24Joe Rogan?

  What was the first gym you went to?

• 32:26Speaker 02

  It's called, it was called Tap Out in downtown LA.

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  At the time, I think that's,

• 32:32Speaker 02

  I was training with Eddie Bravo. And, and he had moved in tenth last, so that's when I first, when I first started, I wanted to box. And

• 32:40Joe Rogan?

  I remember the Tapout Gym very well.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a great gym.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  And I remember when I first started going there, I was working construction, I was, I was working on a, on a high rise in downtown L.A. And

• 32:55Speaker 02

  and I would, um, pass by every day, I'm like, man, I wanna go in there, you know, but I never like, would go in there, I'd just pass by and I'd get home and I'd talk to my grandma, like, man, there's this gym called Tapout, I really wanna go, you know? She's like, oh yeah, but I would talk about it all the time, but I never had like, I don't know, you know, it was a kinda nervous, it was kinda nervous going, walking into a gym for the first time and you don't know like what to expect or, but I was just a fan. And so I walked, uh, actually, the, the way I got started was it was, it was our anniversary. And as a gift, she gave me a gym membership.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  And then I went to the gym and the, the coaches were like, yo, dude, like, who is this guy, you know? But when I first went in there, I was like so raw and just so like, street fi- street fighting experience, but I had power. I had some power and, um, you know, I just fell in love with it and the, the, the coaches were like, even the days I wouldn't show up, cause in the beginning of it, I was still like, still had that knucklehead mentality, I'll still be out partying with my friends or not show up to the gym and coaches will actually call me like, yo, where, where are you at? You should need to be in the gym, you need to be training. So, I guess what, what helped me in the beginning was my, actually my coaches like,

• 34:17Speaker 02

  really noticing that I had like, a talent, you know, I had, I had potential. And I just obsessed with it, man, and fell in love with the whole training experience. And, and I remember my first time trying jujitsu, it was a skinny fucking, skinny, dorky looking dude, he's like, hey, you need to, you need to come train jujitsu, man, come train jujitsu, I was like, nah. Cause I remember right before I watched it, and I was like, oh man, wrestling's gay, dude.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Dude wrestling is gay, nobody wanna try to watch that. You know, and then obviously like you go through that experience, I'm like, alright. So the skinny dude is like, come on, man, just try it out, I bet you can't, you know, I bet you I could make you tap or whatever. Like nah, nah, he went and strangled me, you know, I'm like, oh hell nah, nah, I hate losing, bro. So I was like, and there's, there's, there's two different kinds of people. There's people that will get their ass whooped and just like, nah, this ain't for me. Or um, you get your ass whooped and you're like, oh, I would never want that to happen again. You know, so I would show up every day, determine like, one day I'm gonna, one day I'm gonna win, one day I'm gonna get him, one day I'm gonna get him. And that honestly kept me, kept me in the game, you know?

• 35:27Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing how little tiny dudes can fuck you up.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Dude, that's the last thing I expected. I was like, what?

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  Jiu-jitsu is the only thing that like, you know, in martial arts movies, there was always this myth that the little guy could fuck up all the bigger guys.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  But with striking, that's hard. Power is real, size is real, mass is real. There's just too, you know, too many variables. If a guy knows how to throw a good one, two, you might be fucked. He hits you in the clinch, you can't get away from his clinch, he's too strong, he clubs you, you're fucked. But jiu-jitsu, man, there's no lucky punches in jiu-jitsu. And that's what's crazy when a little guy just annihilates you. It's so humbling. My first experience, uh, was a dude who was a purple belt, I was a white belt. And uh, he was my size. I was like, this dude's my size. Like, this isn't a bigger dude. This is gonna be, you know, competitive. Nah, he just raped me. He did whatever the fuck he wanted to do to me. Arm barred me, triangle me. And I remember leaving going, I am so delusional.

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  I had this idea in my head, you know, that I knew how to fight. And then until I started doing jiu-jitsu, I was like, oh, I don't know anything. I'm helpless, like completely helpless.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:37Joe Rogan?

  But you know, like you, the, the, the smart thing to do, like what you did is just go, I wanna learn that. You know, and you having the courage to do that, you know, especially as a guy who didn't have any martial arts experience at all. Just like, throw yourself into it. It's very difficult to do, man, and especially at 25.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:57Joe Rogan?

  Cause by 25, like John Jones had already been a UFC champion and defended it multiple times, you know? It's like, by the time you're starting out, so many guys are like in the middle of their career.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

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• 39:22Joe Rogan?

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• 39:24Speaker 02

  So that's one thing that I've always thought about.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  And like why I work so hard is like I feel like I have to catch up to these dudes that have been doing this their whole life. You know, like, like dudes have been in the gym since they were kids doing karate and boxing.

• 39:41Joe Rogan?

  Do you know, there's, there is a thing though about having a lot of street fights. There's a mental edge to being in a lot of conflict and a lot of combat. One thing I've always noticed about you when you fight, you're very calm. Like when you get in there, you're very relaxed.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:55Joe Rogan?

  And it's like life experience, you know, that's a factor.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just feel like in an MMA fight, it's, it's a safe environment. Like, believe it or not, to me, it's safe.

• 40:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  You know, cause I've been, I've been in, cause if anything goes wrong, the rest right there like, alright there, that's it. It's done, you know, this is a fair fight, you know, uh, I've been in situations where I don't know if I'm gonna live.

• 40:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  You know, if I don't survive this, I might die.

• 40:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  You know, and, and I think that I carry that a lot, you know, while, while I fight and that's why I look so calm. Because um, I've been, I'm calm and hectic sit like.

• 40:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not the worst thing you've experienced. That's for a lot of fighters, it's the most dangerous thing they've ever experienced.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  And they step into that octagon, they close that door and they're looking across this octagon and another train killer. Like, oh boy, like this is the scariest thing that's ever happened to them.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  So there's a mental benefit that you have for having all those street fights and even though you didn't start until late. Man, the mental game might be most of fighting, you know?

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, when, when, when I step in there, I'm just, I'm just happy to be there, you know? Like I, I, I'm lucky to be out here, I'm lucky to be, have my freedom, I'm lucky to be alive. You know, so when I'm, when I'm walking out to a fight, like I just feel, I just feel happy, dude. I'm just, I'm just, it's just happy, happiness, like, you know, cause while I'm backstage, I'm like thinking. How did I get here, dude? You know, like, I'm just, how the fuck did I do this? How did I make it this far, you know?

• 41:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  And, you know, like, a situation like, like this, like, where I'm fresh out of, fresh out of jail, you know, and, and, I'm like, dude, like, main event in Serbia against a guy from Serbia is crazy, bro. But, you know what? Just live, live that shit, man. I like, I told myself, like, dude, this is your opportunity to, to tell, like, to, like, this shit's a movie, bro. Like, my life is crazy.

• 42:03Joe Rogan?

  It is a movie, if you think about it. I mean, very few people live that life. In and out of jail many times, locked up in Mexico for eight months, never knowing if you're gonna get out. Next thing you know, you're headlining a UFC card.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. Sitting here.

• 42:17Joe Rogan?

  Main event.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, sitting here on the Joe Rogan Experience. You know, telling my story is just, you know, uh...

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  Where's Euros Metz ranked? Is he above you or below?

• 42:27Speaker 02

  He's number thirteen.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  What are you at?

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Fifteen.

• 42:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so both of you guys top contenders.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  I'm surprised throughout that whole process, they kept me in the rankings.

• 42:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, good respect to them, you know? Also, they probably realized you were probably working out in jail.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, man.

• 42:45Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, well, it's not, you shouldn't be punished for something like that. You get stuck in a crazy situation.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 42:51Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're coming from California where weed's legal. Everybody gets confused. You know, you have that weed in California, everybody, it's everywhere. It's totally legal.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  That's why it didn't even, it didn't even cross my mind. It didn't even cross my mind that, hey, we can get in trouble for this.

• 43:06Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:08Joe Rogan?

  I would've never known those laws. Cause I heard that it was decriminalized, and I thought, oh, they don't, they got other shit to worry about. They're, you know, they got cartel problems and fentanyl problems. They don't give a fuck if you're bringing in weed.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, now, now I have a part of, of the process of me getting out is like I had to get, like, now I have dual citizenship in Mexico.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  Now you do?

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:30Joe Rogan?

  Because of getting out?

• 43:31Speaker 02

  No, no, um, my lawyers, um, it was a part of me getting out. So like, when you pulled up the, um... The, the, uh, decriminalized?

• 43:44Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, the laws for citizens.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  The laws for citizens, so that, that was a process of.

• 43:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you became a citizen, so the law was less for you?

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:53Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  So it was a ton of stuff that we had to do, man.

• 43:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that is a crazy loophole.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So now people are asking.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  Damn, everybody should become a citizen of Mexico.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, I ain't never going back to Mexico. I'm not going back for a while, bro. I cannot see myself, I don't even wanna go back, so. Um, especially since I released the footage of me working out in prison and stuff, like, I don't ever wanna go to Mexico and, and for any reason, they're like, get his ass, you know, bring him back over.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent, yeah, and they probably would, too.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  At the very least, try to get more money out of you.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 44:31Joe Rogan?

  Especially after you headlined a UFC card.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, and on top of that, like, like, um, like, releasing that footage was like, definitely like a no-no, but since.

• 44:43Joe Rogan?

  How did you, did they all have cell phones inside?

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we had, we had cell phones, yeah.

• 44:48Joe Rogan?

  So were you texting your friends? You could text your lawyer, all that shit?

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  Did you worry that your texts would be intercepted?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Nah, no, not at all, cuz, uh, I would text everybody or call everybody on WhatsApp, and I guess.

• 45:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's encrypted.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's encrypted.

• 45:04Joe Rogan?

  And so, when you're doing all this and filming all this, you just saved the footage, and then when you got out?

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Nah, I would, I would send it, I would send it to like my friends. So I, I, I sent it to, to one of my buddies, and I was like, yo, save all this stuff, cuz when I get out, this is gonna, this is gonna be, it's gonna be big, bro, you know?

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm glad they didn't release it before you got out.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:26Joe Rogan?

  You gotta really trust your friends, cuz that could've been fucked.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, and the whole time, like, knowing you were, knowing you where I was at, knowing you where I was going on, and there was a couple rumors going around that I was backpacking in Peru. Another one was, was, one of my buddies, like, it's crazy how the internet believes anything, bro.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Like, there's, people thought I was building wells in Rwanda. Like, one of my buddies said that, he's like, oh, he's building wells in Rwanda, doing God's work, and like, people ran with that, like, hey, actually, people, when I got released, uh, right away, they were like, oh, Kevin Holland bailed him out.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Kevin Holland bailed him out to get a rematch and people believe that.

• 46:11Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That's so funny.

• 46:15Joe Rogan?

  Must have been so weird.

• 46:18Joe Rogan?

  So when you're inside, did you, did they have the internet? Would they, could they watch fights?

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Actually, um, so they ended up putting like these cell, like scramblers, like these towers that like mess up the signal. And we ended up getting, uh, what's that? The, that, uh, Tesla thing? Starlink?

• 46:39Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  We ended up getting Starlink.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  You got Starlink in a Tijuana jail?

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that's insane.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, we ended up getting Starlink and had wifi for a little while. And then I remember we ended up losing all that stuff because, um,

• 46:57Speaker 02

  like every, every once in a while, they'd be like, hey, the guards would come, like, hey, uh, they're gonna come do inspections and, you know, so they would like hide everything. And I remember this one time, they hid everything and they're like, oh, we're not gonna give back to you guys. So we ended up, that like, I'd say like by, by the fifth month, uh, that's when like they really started cracking down and stopped bringing us like the extra food. And the food that, like the prison food in there dude, is, it's the worst. It's terrible, terrible. Um, tortillas, like with every meal, like five tortillas, rice or beans, and like some kind of like soup. But the soup is pretty much, there's no meat in it. It's, it's, um,

• 47:43Speaker 02

  majority of it's like potatoes and carrots, you know, like.

• 47:47Joe Rogan?

  So your only protein you're getting from beans?

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  And it was just horrible, dirty, unsanitary.

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  What's the first thing you ate when you got out?

• 47:57Speaker 02

  First thing I ate when I got out was, um, a double western bacon cheeseburger. From Carl's Jr.

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  Must have been the best ever.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. And I couldn't even finish it because at the time, like my stomach was so, I, I got, I like, I got full as hell, man. Like, I, I was crazy. And, um,

• 48:21Speaker 02

  Man, I was so skinny when I got out, bro. It was crazy. So like this whole time, I just been like trying to to just bulk back up, you know?

• 48:31Joe Rogan?

  So what did you weigh? Did you weigh yourself when you got out?

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Uh, when I weighed, I weighed myself when I got out and I normally walk around around two hundred and I was like around one eighty, you know, but I looked horrible, bro. Like I looked like I just cut weight. Uh, I looked like I was like

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it was horrible, but it was, it was like I wasn't shredded or nothing. I was just had no muscle definition. And it was just, it was bad, bro. And I remember, um, when I first got out, man, I was like thinking like, alright, I tried, like, when I got out, I hit the, like, I got out ready to just like, alright, I'm getting my life back. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, uh, train my ass off, bro. I was so out of shape. I was so out of shape, bro. And, and I was like really discouraged at the time, you know? I was like, dude, I don't know. I think my fucking career is over, dude. I don't know how I'm gonna, how am I gonna come back from this, you know? So out of shape and

• 49:26Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy because you were working out so much in jail.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it was just, um, because of, of the lack of, of

• 49:33Joe Rogan?

  Nutrition.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, nutrition. I was like so malnourished.

• 49:36Joe Rogan?

  Your body was just destroyed.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it was horrible, bro. And, uh, I almost thought like, dude, I can't do this shit anymore, dude. Like I'm, I, I'm not gonna, I think my career might be over, you know? And, um, I was just in my head about it for a little bit and then, and then, you know, like, I was like, nah, you know, I'm, I'm a fucking soldier, dude. I, I could bounce back from this. And, and you know, I just, I just really believed that through hard work, you know, I'll, I'll get back to, to my old self. And now I feel great, dude.

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  How long did it take before you started feeling normal?

• 50:13Speaker 02

  But uh, I'm barely starting to feel like a hundred percent now.

• 50:17Joe Rogan?

  Now?

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  And when did you get out?

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Um, it's been almost two months.

• 50:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's not a lot of time.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:26Joe Rogan?

  And when is this uh, the fight is August 1st?

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's another.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  Not two months?

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:32Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I feel, I feel good now.

• 50:35Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy though. It takes you two months and then now you're back. You look normal, like physically.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  You look healthy. So it took you that time to just put the weight back on and get your muscle tone back and all that shit. That's a good thing though, that you were always in shape. So you bounce back quicker. You have muscle memory.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and actually, I've honestly been enjoying the process, this whole process of, of like when I first got out, I could only run like a mile and I was dying, bro. And through, through each run, I could see my progress. I'm like, okay, I'm getting better. Okay, I'm getting better. And like, I'm in love with it right now. I'm in love with like getting better and better and better, one percent every single day. You know, I truly believe, believed that through the work and, and to trust the work that I have ahead of me. And I honestly think that by the time the fight gets here, I'm gonna be in perfect peak shape.

• 51:30Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  What a crazy comeback story.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 51:33Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and it's, it's, it's really just like a, a, a really deep personal one for me because from what where, when I, when I first got out to now, it's just like, it's, it's crazy. It's crazy how, how I could, the body can bounce back and like just get back into shape, you know?

• 51:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's crazy, the mind too. I mean, you must be so thankful. Just every time you're training, yeah, you might be tired, but man, you must be so thankful. That you're out and free and then you're working towards something big. You know, you got a big fight coming up and

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  what a blessing.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, and I'm just, I'm just embracing the whole process, you know, and I'm just, you know, I'm, I'm all for, I'm all in. Actually,

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Going to jail and going through all that actually made me appreciate and value everything that I have going on right now. So, so I'm just like so grateful and so thankful that I even have this opportunity and just signed a new contract with the UFC, six more fights.

• 52:37Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  And, and now I'm, I'm main event. It's just crazy dude.

• 52:41Joe Rogan?

  Dude, if you go on to win the title for me, how crazy would that be? You know what I'm saying?

• 52:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  That would be crazy.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  And who knows?

• 52:49Joe Rogan?

  You beat Medic, you're in the top thirteen, you're close to the top ten, a few fights later. Anything can happen in this sport.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  And I would even tell dudes like that, like realistically, bro, like I can like in four or five fights go like four or five fights, I could be fighting for the championship, you know? Maybe even less.

• 53:05Joe Rogan?

  In this sport, it all takes is a few spectacular results. A few spectacular results and people get behind you and the crowd gets behind you and next thing you know.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, if I go out there and smoke this guy and it's gonna be, it's gonna be so much even bigger just because of the whole experience that I went through. And like, man, he got out of jail and just fucking knocked this dude out and, you know? Why not? Like, why, why not, bro? You know, why, why can't I be that guy? Like, you hear stories all the time of, of these incredible stories of people that become champions from nothing. And then been through all kinds of stuff. Like, why not me, bro?

• 53:43Joe Rogan?

  Listen, you never fucking know. You never fucking know. That's the crazy thing about this sport.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, anything could happen, dude.

• 53:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, you've got Makachev as the title holder, which is, you know, one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever do it. That's part of the problem.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:00Joe Rogan?

  He's got the opposite life. That's a guy that's been disciplined in training his entire life, you know? Never, never fucked around, no drugs, no drinking, no nothing, just discipline.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:13Joe Rogan?

  Tough sell.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  It's different, different levels, man.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  There's different levels to it.

• 54:18Joe Rogan?

  How old are you now?

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Thirty-nine.

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:23Joe Rogan?

  So that's like-

• 54:24Speaker 02

  So I got like a couple more years left, man. So that's why-

• 54:26Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy while they stole eight months of like very valuable time.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's one, that's one thing, that's one, the number one thing that I was like, man, like, I'm running out of time, bro. You know, I don't got, I don't got a lot of time left, you know, so getting out- And like I said, like I'm just, I'm just taking it a lot more serious, you know?

• 54:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure. Where are you training now?

• 54:52Speaker 02

  So right now, I'm in, I'm in Vegas, training over at, uh, the P I.

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  At Extreme Couture right now, and, and freestyling in May. While I'm in Vegas and, uh, while I'm in California, I go to Classic, Classic Fight Team. Uh, training over at Tenori and Ten Planet. You know, so I'm just, but right now, uh, I'm, I'm in Vegas right now. It's so much, so much easier. L A's crazy, dude. I, I'm on the road. When I'm in L A, it's just, I'm on the road all fucking day. L A traffic is just a nightmare. So that's why, like, uh, I'm in Vegas right now. Because everything's so close together and so convenient and, and.

• 55:35Joe Rogan?

  It's also so high level. There's so much high level training in Vegas. And the P I is an amazing resource for fighters. You know, as far as nutrition, cutting weight, I mean, they'll get your meals for you. They get your supplements for you. They make sure that everything is, you know, safe for sport approved. So you don't have to worry about testing positive for anything. Like, the P I is amazing.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  Such an incredible resource.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Right now, it's a little bit crazy because, um, they're, they're, they're letting like the slap fight guys go there. And the Zufa Boxing guys, I think.

• 56:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  So, yeah, those guys are, are using.

• 56:09Joe Rogan?

  The slap fight guys train?

• 56:13Speaker 02

  I don't know how they train. Like, how do you, how do you train for that, bro? You know? Do neck workouts? I don't know.

• 56:20Joe Rogan?

  I guess that's it.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:21Joe Rogan?

  Right? Swinging things with your arms.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  You know? I guess like cable machines. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, get a cable machine on your wrist and do this a bunch of times.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. So they have, um, at the P I, they have like this, like this thing that gauges your, um, your power. And your strike. And they use that, they use that all the time.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  The power slap guys do? Oh, that's so silly.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and then also the Zufa Boxing guys are there too. So, so it's a little, it's a little bit hectic right now. There's like a, a lot going on.

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I could imagine.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:54Joe Rogan?

  Power slap guys, that's a different thing.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  I've never been to one of those. I, I hear, I hear you have to go to one to like enjoy it.

• 57:03Joe Rogan?

  You have to be on acid.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  To me, it's like, I don't know, man. I feel, I feel like letting someone just swing on you. And the thing is, like, if you get the first swing, you have a giant advantage.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  The first swing is a crazy advantage.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  That's dangerous, bro. That's just getting, you know, just getting whacked. And some of these guys, they get knocked out, yeah.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%, man. It's not less powerful than a punch, you know? This is the idea that you're slapping like this. That's not what they're hitting with the palm of the hand.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:37Joe Rogan?

  Right on your fucking jaw.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  It's super powerful. You can only take so many of those in your whole life, you know, and you're lining up for those.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you can imagine, like, there are nerve damage on your face, too.

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, look, I'm for whatever you want to do. You want to jump BMX bikes, you want to ride bulls, you want to power slap, have at it. This is America. Have a good time.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:00Joe Rogan?

  But it seems like at an MMA gym, it should be MMA fighters. I don't, I mean, the boxing is probably a good crossover. Like, you could probably get some good work with some of those guys.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, and also seeing high-level boxer train is good. It's great for your technique. It's great for just raising the level up in the gym.

• 58:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's really dope. I love, I love the PI, man, uh, and Vegas in general, like, there's so many killers out there, you know?

• 58:27Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the best places in the world for MMA training. You got Extreme Couture. Think of how many killers are training out of there. You know, you got, uh, there's, there's so many. You got Syndicate. There's so many places, man.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:39Joe Rogan?

  It's incredible. So much Jiu-Jitsu. Robert Drysdale's there. There's so many guys that are there. 10th Planet there. There's so much Jiu-Jitsu there. There's so much MMA there. I mean, if you're a fighter, it's like one of the best places to live.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember when I first, when I first went out there, I was in about 2020. Uh, I went, I was, I was on Cowboys camp. And, uh, he went out there and, and, and that's when I saw firsthand all the, all the, the amenities from the P I. And like all the, the whole Vegas experience. And so I decided to move out there. So I lived out there for like two years. And, and I've just been going back and forth ever since.

• 59:21Joe Rogan?

  It's worth living there just for the P I.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then you, there's so much Muay Thai there. There's so much everything. There's so much great training there.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. There's, there's a ton of, there's a ton of gyms, like you said, man.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it might not, there might not be another city in the country that's like Vegas in that regard.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  Think about boxing. You got Floyd Mayweather's gyms there, which is crazy, right? There's a bunch of other gyms there. You got high level boxers there. You got high level Muay Thai guys there. You know, One Kick Nick has his place there. There's so much high level training in Vegas. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Summer is great, isn't it? It's the perfect season for adventures, but it can also be pretty exhausting juggling chaotic schedules and trying to make the most of summer. That's why it's important to take a moment for you. Go out for a weekend without planning anything and just have fun or relax at home. Or if you're really struggling, try therapy with BetterHelp.

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• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, sometimes I even go to, uh, the Andrew Kwaney's gym.

• 1:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, Anthony and, uh, Chee Dee.

• 1:00:59Joe Rogan?

  They have their own gym?

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Well, they, they were with One Kick Nick, right?

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Fucking crazy town.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Training. And again, like, I can't say enough, like, every time, I've been to the P I a bunch of times, but when I first went there, before they were really open, when they were really getting rolling, I was like, this is incredible. Like, if you're a fighter, you have a place that has all the recovery stuff, all the, like, the high-end, top-notch recovery stuff, cold plunge saunas, all the, all the, everything, like, all physical therapy, supplements, they, when that, when I found out they make food for you, I was like, this is crazy.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love that part. I love, I'm always, I'm always there, you know, you could go there, order whatever you want, you know, and she's like, sure, steak and, steak and rice, you know?

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, they just want you to be healthy, which is, makes sense. Just, it's so smart that they did that. When they did that, I was like, what are they doing? Dumping all this money in that? Who's gonna go there? And then when I went there, I was like, oh, I get it. They went all out. They went all out. And it's just, if you want your fighters to be at the very best to compete in the UFC, what better way than provide the best world-class facility on earth?

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  And then to put it right there in Vegas. And now they have a bunch of them, right? They have one in Mexico, they have one in, I think they have one in Singapore.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Joe Rogan?

  They have a bunch of them. It's awesome. So smart. Such a smart move to do.

• 1:02:22Joe Rogan?

  You know what would have been crazy if you were on the White House card? If you got really?

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  Dude, that's gonna be major, dude. That's crazy.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be major. I wish it was inside, but it is gonna be crazy. It's so funny watching people lose their mind over it, you know, in all, in all sorts of different ways.

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  Lose their mind over it because they hate the political situation in this country, lose their mind over it because they feel like it's a waste of money, why they're spending so much money, this country's in, in debt, we got problems, why are we having a fight? And then other people are like, fuck, yeah.

• 1:02:54Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, there's no more American thing than having a UFC fight on the White House lawn. It's so American, it's so, it's so Trump. It's so crazy. You know what I mean? A UFC fight on the White House lawn is bananas.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, even, um, the fight card is amazing as well.

• 1:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fight card's incredible. The only thing that bothers me is that it's outside.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:16Joe Rogan?

  These guys are, they're fighting for world titles. I mean, Ilya Toporia might be, is, he is not just one of the best right now. He might be one of the best that ever did it. It's very possible that he goes down in history as the all-timer. I mean, he's, he's so good. And for him to have to defend his title, the world title outside with bugs and humidity and heat.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta take into account the weather, you know, it's a whole different environment.

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  It could rain, it could thunderstorm. Who fucking knows? It's DC, it's the east coast in the middle of the summer. I mean, it's, it's, it's crazy to have a fight outside in June in DC.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've, I've fought outside before. It's, it's definitely a different, different vibe, different energy.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you fight outside?

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Um, I fought outside for Combate Americas. Uh, it was, uh, somewhere in Arizona and it was a nighttime.

• 1:04:09Joe Rogan?

  That's Camo McLaren's organization, right? Yeah. Love that dude.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  I've also fought in the summer in the daytime and at a fair.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Joe Rogan?

  In California?

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  In California.

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  What, what was the temperature?

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  It was hot as hell, dude. The mat was hot as hell. It was like at a fair in, in the middle of the summer.

• 1:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that sucks. The mats hot. I didn't even think of that.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:04:34Joe Rogan?

  Was it canvas or was it like mat?

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  I think it was mat.

• 1:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  So not just that, but it gets slippery as fuck too then?

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, it was hot as hell, bro.

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see King of the Cage Wet and Wild? You ever see that?

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:50Joe Rogan?

  King of the Cage put on a fight in the middle of a rainstorm and just let people fight. Just like, I, I think they just said, look, you know, if you wanna fight, you get paid. This is it. It's gonna rain out. And we're gonna have to fight, cause it was outside.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Joe Rogan?

  So this is back when California did not have MMA. It was illegal, but it was legal on Indian reservations. So we would go to these Indian reservations for King of the Cage. So. So back when Eddie, I think Eddie was the commentator at that event. I'm not sure. But he was one of the main commentators at King of the Cage. And my friend Bud, who's my neighbor back in California, actually. Sold him my old house, real good friend of mine. He was one of the owners of King of the Cage. And they were just putting on these events in fucking these Indian reservations when it was totally illegal in California. So we would just drive to the Indian reservations and watch and one of them, it poured. I mean, it was outside, the whole thing was outside. They just set up a cage outside and it's fucking pouring dude.

• 1:05:49Joe Rogan?

  And these guys are slipping all over the place and it's crazy. They're fighting with wrestling shoes on. And it was just, some of them did at least, and it's fucking ridiculous. Like, there's no way you should fight like this.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, my, my, actually, actually, my pro debut was for King of the Cage outside on Indian Reservation.

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  What year was this?

• 1:06:07Speaker 02

  Uh, I wanna say twenty, twenty seventeen, maybe?

• 1:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow, so they were still doing them outside even then?

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  At, uh, Saboba Casino.

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's where we went.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find the King of the Cage footage for Wet and Wild. It was one of the craziest events I've ever seen in my life. And just imagine, you're basically fighting on ice. You're slipping all over the place. Everybody's sliding. This is it. Look, they're trying to mop down the cage in between the fights. I mean, it's ridiculous. Like, what are you gonna do? You're not gonna dry it out. I don't know why they were trying to do this. But they were trying to at least give them some sort of, like, not sopping wet environment.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  Dude, that must have been so hard to fight on. Look at their slipping.

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're slipping all over the place. At least they had wrestling shoes on, cuz I don't remember what year this was. The ref with the ponchos is kinda funny. I know, it's crazy. All the officials have ponchos. I mean, it's fucking pouring right now. I don't remember what year it was. It's, uh, I think it said it right there. Two thousand and one, I think. Uh, okay, that makes sense. So that, I think that's illegal days. I'm not ninety-nine percent sure that's the illegal days. Of course it is, cuz they're wearing shoes. But it was, the whole event was just insane. And imagine, like, trying to get a submission on someone who's literally soaking wet.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:07:25Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's impossible. It's, it's so crazy. But I mean, these dudes will-

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  That must have been so-

• 1:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Remember this forever. This event, like, everybody was there, remember. Look, you see the rain-

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  Oh, it's pouring.

• 1:07:37Joe Rogan?

  I mean, why are they even-

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  It's pouring.

• 1:07:38Joe Rogan?

  But why are they bothering, like, sweeping the water off? You're not gonna dry it out. And look at his feet, man. His feet are sliding all over the place with wrestling shoes on. It's crazy. In a situation like that, you're almost, like, better off, like, immediately going to the ground. But even then, like, how are you gonna even get a choke? People are still, everyone would slide out of everything. It's like fighting someone who's oiled up. Look at him, just drying him off. That's crazy.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, but this

• 1:08:11Joe Rogan?

  The White House one, I just, I just hope it doesn't rain. I hope they figure out a way to kill the bugs too. I've been investigating online. Uh, there's a bunch of different machines that they sell for like outdoor events. And these, they kill every bug within like a mile radius. They set these things up and all the bugs just go to it and get zapped. And at the end of it, they dump it out. There's like a fucking, like a big bag of bugs. So if they set a bunch of those up around the perimeter, maybe they can at least minimize the amount of bugs that are out there. Because you have, uh, in the DC area, you have a lot of gnats. Imagine fighting and you got a gnat in your eye, you know? You're in the middle of moving around, something goes in your mouth.

• 1:08:52Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:08:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, is there a lot of them out there?

• 1:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Joe Rogan?

  It's moist. That's the thing about DC. It's humid. It's a humid environment. Especially in the summer. And Jamie and I checked, was it a hundred degrees there?

• 1:09:04Speaker 05

  It's current, I mean, we're getting closer to the dates. The forecast is getting better. It's currently set to be a high of eighty-five, low of sixty-nine.

• 1:09:12Joe Rogan?

  Sixty-nine is nice.

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  No rain and, well, isolated thunderstorms the two days before. But that doesn't, I mean, who knows what that

• 1:09:21Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't mean anything by the time it gets to June.

• 1:09:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Joe Rogan?

  And what, is it June eleventh? What is it?

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  Uh, it's on, so it's on the fourteenth.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Fourteenth?

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  Twelfth and thirteenth, both have isolated thunderstorms.

• 1:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Twelfth and thirteenth and it's on the fourteenth. Oh, fuck.

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  And the one on Friday, it says considerable cloudiness and fog after midnight. I think the fight should be over by then, probably, but

• 1:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, the fights are Sunday.

• 1:09:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I'm just saying like that means at night it's getting

• 1:09:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, the thing is, if it's the lows sixty-nine, that's nice. So if it cools off by the time the main event starts, or the, the last few fights. But the first few guys that get after it, they're gonna probably be fighting in the daytime.

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, you never know. They might just spray some chemtrails and change the weather.

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they might.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  You never know.

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, if anybody's gonna do it, it's Trump. Do you see the thing that he posted? He's got like this whole drone army on the roof of the ballroom now.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I didn't see that.

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  So, you know, they built... What's up, Jim?

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  They will. It's not done yet.

• 1:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's hot?

• 1:10:23Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, he posted pictures of the AI?

• 1:10:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, no, I mean, it's just a rendering.

• 1:10:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's all it is? Oh, how far along is the ballroom?

• 1:10:33Speaker 05

  I think they're pretty far. I'm gonna show you the picture that they posted, but it's not...

• 1:10:41Speaker 05

  It's like a rendering of what it will look like.

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's fake?

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Why would you tell people what you're gonna do?

• 1:10:47Speaker 05

  Well... They can be able to see that. They can't hide it.

• 1:10:51Joe Rogan?

  That's not what I saw. I saw one that looked like it was during the daytime.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, drones are...

• 1:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Obviously, that's... Yeah, that's what I saw. That's the one I saw. So, that's what it's gonna look like.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, drones are crazy, man.

• 1:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro, drones with missiles and guns flying around on the top, all controlled by AI.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy, man.

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  What could go wrong?

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  War is a whole nother, whole nother thing these days.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's spooky. You ever seen some of that footage from Ukraine?

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  Drones just flying around bombing dudes?

• 1:11:24Joe Rogan?

  Just bombing dudes, just dropping down on guys and exploding. And there's fucking hundreds of those videos now. You get one of those Instagram algorithms. We watch a couple of them, and then, next thing you know, they're getting recommended to you over and over and over again.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, that's crazy.

• 1:11:43Speaker 05

  It's two weeks ago, the ballroom.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  You know, one day, I'm talking about something with my buddy, next thing you know, it's all over my phone, my feed.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. We're just accepting the fact that our phones are listening to us all the time.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  You know what I got trapped in recently? Algorithm of schizophrenic people.

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  What does that mean?

• 1:12:05Joe Rogan?

  Dude, it's all crazy people that, like, one guy's like, "Hi, I'm Joseph Wilson. I am the legitimate president of the United States due to constitutional..." You know, like, crazy stuff. Like, crazy people. This one lady, this one lady is crazy. She's like, I forget what famous actor she was saying. "They're trying to kidnap me and put shit in my vagina."

• 1:12:27Joe Rogan?

  She's just completely insane and every day it's like some new accusations. Someone's after her, someone's tapping their phone, someone's communicating with her through her ceiling fan, like, yeah, just, but I don't know how Instagram knows that these people are schizophrenic and keeps sending me schizophrenic people over and over and over again. Cause I know, right?

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  Well, you're, if you're watching them, you're, it thinks you wanna keep watching.

• 1:12:51Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but how does it know who's schizophrenic?

• 1:12:54Speaker 05

  It must, there's gotta be, there's, and there's internal tags on every post.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, but isn't that nuts?

• 1:12:58Speaker 05

  I don't know how it's, yeah, how schizo got in there.

• 1:13:02Joe Rogan?

  But it is.

• 1:13:03Speaker 05

  Or whatever the word is it's using.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  The, yeah, well, I don't know what the word is, but it knows these people are fucked up and so it's sending me all these crazy people, like, completely insane people. One lady who thinks everybody's a man, she thinks Rosa Parks secretly a man, everyone's secretly a man, she's like pointing out like collarbones, "Look at them, look at, this is a man, Kim Kardashian's a man, everybody's a man." It's fucking nuts, man, and it's just schizophrenic people. And I'm like, okay, so Instagram must know these people are schizophrenic, cause they're all, like, I'm telling you, it's like three out of 10 videos Instagram recommends me are insta, are people that are completely crazy. So it must know these people are crazy and it's just sending them my way.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, same for me, dude, I was, I was talking with my buddies, uh, I don't know, something about like sardines or something. Next thing you know, I'm like, look at my phone, I'm like, dude, what the hell is all this shit about sardines?

• 1:13:55Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Back to back, it's crazy, bro.

• 1:15:57Joe Rogan?

  It's creepy how the ads target you.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, and brainwashing me into buying Sardine.

• 1:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like, how much is it listening? Did you see that post? I'll send it to you, Jamie, that Kim.com posted about Palantir. Did you see that?

• 1:16:11Speaker 05

  It's from February where they got hacked, apparently, maybe.

• 1:16:14Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is?

• 1:16:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what it said. I don't know if we probably saw the same one.

• 1:16:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm sure. It's very recently that I saw it. I didn't check the date on it, though. I could send it to you?

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got it.

• 1:16:30Speaker 05

  I think it's good.

• 1:16:32Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's from February 16th.

• 1:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that's it. That's the one.

• 1:16:37Speaker 05

  It's not showing up right here, though.

• 1:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Want me to send it to you?

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing I just had was like a Russian website.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  Okay, click this. No problems.

• 1:16:47Joe Rogan?

  Definitely, there's another one like Brittany Greiner, that poor lady.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:51Joe Rogan?

  She did nine months. They wanted to put her away forever.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Joe Rogan?

  They were, they were trying to put her away.

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  Exchange like some Russian arms dealer or something like that?

• 1:17:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the merchant of death. Guy's responsible for thousands of people being dead. So this is from Kim dot com. Palantir was allegedly attacked, hacked rather, an AI agent was used to gain super user access and here's what the hackers allegedly found. Peter Thiel and Alice Karp commit mass surveillance of world leaders and titans of industry on a mass scale, massive scale. They have thousands of hours of transcribed and searchable conversations of Donald Trump, J D Vance and Elon Musk. They have backdoored the devices, cars and jets of world leaders and accumulated the biggest archive of blackmail material. Palantir is creating nuclear and bioweapon capabilities for Ukraine and is working closely with the CIA to defeat Russia.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  They believe they're one year away. They plan to achieve this by keeping Russia busy with meaningless peace negotiations. Palantir is responsible of the majority of Palestinian deaths in Gaza. They've developed the AI targeting for Israel. Palantir is an arm of the CIA and all data from international clients is copied into a C. So the problem is, this is like alleged. Is there a community notes on this at all?

• 1:18:09Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:18:11Speaker 05

  Just Kurt Metzger.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  He's the number one post.

• 1:18:16Joe Rogan?

  When can we see these hacked materials, though? What are the hackers doing with it? If they're not exposing the whole thing, then fuck them.

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, they, he.

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  How does there no community notes on it?

• 1:18:25Speaker 05

  He posts a lot of things that sometimes are true and sometimes are not true.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:29Speaker 05

  Predictions.

• 1:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Do you know his background? Do you know the story behind that guy?

• 1:18:34Speaker 05

  Me or?

• 1:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  General, yeah.

• 1:18:35Joe Rogan?

  So his back, I first found out about him a long time ago. He's a very wealthy guy. He lives in New Zealand. And he ran a site. Was it a?

• 1:18:48Speaker 05

  It's like a super uploader?

• 1:18:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like one of those uploads, mega upload?

• 1:18:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think that's what it was.

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Was that it?

• 1:18:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  And they targeted him because they said that people were uploading things that were copyrighted material and I think they were trying to, they were trying to. They were trying to get him out of the country.

• 1:19:06Speaker 05

  Extradited on, I think they still want him to come back. Uh, yeah, fraud charges related to, it's on the screen, it's Omega Upload. Um, he denies wrongdoing.

• 1:19:16Joe Rogan?

  Hughes, US authorities are pursuing a vendetta against him on behalf of politically influential Hollywood studios. 2018 New Zealand Court of Appeal upheld the lower court's ruling, Dotcom appealed to the Supreme Court of New Zealand, which ruled in 2020 that Dotcom could be extradited to the United States, but that he could challenge the decision through judicial review. His extradition order was eventually signed on August of 2024. He's remained free in New Zealand while continuing to pursue judicial review of his extradition order. He launched another, he launched another cloud storage service called Mega, although he severed all, in 2013, severed all ties with the service in 2015. He also started and funded the Internet Party.

• 1:20:01Joe Rogan?

  The party contested in the 2014 New Zealand general election under an electoral alliance with the Mana movement and contested the 2017 general election independently, but failed to win any seats at either election. He, um, was a famous guy in the early days of the internet. Did you ever see those videos that he made, like these cartoons?

• 1:20:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm trying to remember some things that I remember, but I don't, yeah.

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was like cartoons that he did where he was like killing dictators in the cartoons. What did he call?

• 1:20:38Speaker 05

  Internet Party, Moment of Truth, extradition.

• 1:20:42Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find Kim.com early animated videos.

• 1:20:46Speaker 05

  He's big on the Seth Rich conspiracy here.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  He should be.

• 1:20:51Joe Rogan?

  The Seth Rich one is wild. The Seth Rich one is one of the ones where I just, I don't understand why anybody isn't think that that's crazy. This guy gets assassinated after he supposedly gave WikiLeaks all sorts of inside information on the Democratic Party about how they kept people out of the election, how they were running things, and then he winds up getting whacked. And they're like, no, it was a robbery attempt at 3:00 in the morning. They left his watch, they left his wallet, they left everything, his phone, they just killed him. See if you can find his videos. He has some crazy videos. I wanna say these are from like the 90s, like late 90s or early 2000s.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  He was, uh, that he, I don't remember, I don't even know what he was doing, but he was very wealthy. He had this crazy house and this hot wife and he would show videos of it and shit. And I think this guy's just been persecuted because of that site that he had. And he's fucked now. They just keep going after him. I don't know if he's right about this Palantir stuff, so I probably shouldn't have been saying it, but... But you do know that like, in worst-case scenario, a gigantic corporation could have the power to surveil everyone all the time. Everyone's online.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they can, they can see you now with wifi. They know where you are in a building at any given time with the wifi in the building.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. They use wifi and they can get a literal image of you walking around your house. They know where you are at any given time. Because of the wifi. So if they tap into your wifi, they know where you are, they just, shhh, boom! There's targeted strike in the upper right bedroom.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  Send a drone after you.

• 1:22:38Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. It's really nuts, man. Because this is, this wasn't, here it is.

• 1:22:43Speaker 05

  So this is from like, this is old internet stuff. This is a flash video.

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:48Speaker 05

  90s flash video.

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is it. Give me some volume.

• 1:22:52Speaker 05

  I'm surprised it even has sound.

• 1:22:55Speaker 05

  It's gonna be very cursed sound.

• 1:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is what he did. I remember this. So this was the 90s. So this is the same guy.

• 1:23:07Joe Rogan?

  He's a very interesting guy.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  He's getting in a boat?

• 1:23:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's called Kim- Kimball Special Agent. I mean, it was probably, this is, yeah, if it was made in the 90s, this is 30 years ago. He's, you know, screwing around with internet graphics and...

• 1:23:27Joe Rogan?

  He flies up, catches a helicopter. He lands on the ground.

• 1:23:35Joe Rogan?

  He's standing on top of Microsoft? What is he doing?

• 1:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's Bill Gates.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Boy, people hated Bill Gates even back then.

• 1:23:52Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. It's assassinating Bill Gates.

• 1:24:03Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck? It's so weird. Oh, he didn't kill him. Just wrote Linux around him.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  So he got in trouble for these?

• 1:24:11Joe Rogan?

  Nah.

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  Nah?

• 1:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Nah, not really. I mean, I think people just thought those were silly. Uh, he got in trouble for that Megaupload site. So the way it used to work is, you remember, do you remember Napster?

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Right. So Napster worked where you could take songs, you could upload them, and anybody could download these songs. The way Megaupload worked and a lot of these upload sites is you could take a film and you could turn it into a digital file. And say you take like Avatar, turn it into a digital file and upload it. And people could then download it and watch it on their home entertainment system through the internet. Just download the file, plug an HDMI cord from a computer into the TV and boom, you're watching movies.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  And you don't have to pay anything. And the thing was, it's like, all this stuff was copyrighted material. And I think his argument was like, "Yeah, but I'm not uploading it. I'm just, I'm hosting this service." And they're like, "Well, this service is used to do illegal things, so you're in trouble." So, it's like, I don't know what the argument is there. I don't know who's right. Do you understand it, Jamie?

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, you explained it, but I mean, it's a, most people would go like copyright law, American copyright law only matters in America. And I don't know if that's the argument he was making, but...

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  That's true too, right? Cause he's in New Zealand.

• 1:25:28Speaker 05

  And this site was hosted in Hong Kong.

• 1:25:33Speaker 05

  Yes, it says on January 20th, 2012, they seized more than $300 million of his, or Hong Kong money, it's $40 million in American money.

• 1:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Damn, son.

• 1:25:42Speaker 05

  Um, he denied any wrongdoing.

• 1:25:46Joe Rogan?

  I wonder how he's earning money now? I wonder if they took all his money or...

• 1:25:51Speaker 05

  I mean, he did, they did, I just looked it up, Mega is like a cloud service website now. I don't know if he owns it or runs it. Um, he's trying to do cryptocurrency stuff. I'm sure he was big into Bitcoin when it started. He's probably doing okay.

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know what the story is, but I'm kinda rooting for him.

• 1:26:09Speaker 05

  He's a fun character online.

• 1:26:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's very fun online. I don't know if he's right about the Palantir stuff, but forget about Palantir. We know that what's happening now, in terms of you talking into your phone about sardines and then your phone showing you ads, like they're definitely listening to something.

• 1:26:25Speaker 05

  Grok said it's unverified.

• 1:26:26Joe Rogan?

  As of February, oh, so this was Grok commenting on it. Kim.com's claims about a Palantir hack and related allegations remain unverified. Major outlets like Reuters, BBC, and New York Times show no coverage. Palantir's site has no statements. Some sources echo the post, but no independent evidence confirms it. Right, but you gotta think, if you know a dude who's deeply connected into the hacker world, it's that guy. Right?

• 1:26:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think he's the most public one.

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he'd be the guy that would know some shit. I wouldn't be surprised. If it's not Palantir, and I'm not accusing Palantir of anything, but there's gotta be at least one point in time, there's gonna be a corporation that has the power to do those things. And that's what's going on with all this surveillance shit that people are missing.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  I'm sure, I'm sure there already is.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  You know, they're already doing that, you know?

• 1:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 1:27:26Joe Rogan?

  If I was an evil person running some jacked up corporation, I would do it. Especially if I thought I was right. Doing the right thing.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  I can imagine like China probably has.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Of course. A hundred percent.

• 1:27:40Speaker 02

  Also, I forgot what I was reading that someone got arrested. I think like some government official or something got arrested and admitted to being a spy.

• 1:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:52Speaker 02

  For China.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah. Well, there was a mayor in California, in Arcadia, California. There was a spy for China. She was the fucking mayor. The mayor of a city was working for China.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and admitted it.

• 1:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, China's playing a long game. They they infiltrate universities. They give money to universities. They they fund programs. They give money to research labs. They uh sell cellphone towers at a discounted rate to the military. And these dumb motherfuckers put them around where their military bases are.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've had guys that are, you know, CIA guys on the podcast tell me about that, how dangerous it is. That they've they bought farmland all around these military bases. China has.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:39Joe Rogan?

  What's up? Did you say something? I thought you said something. Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy that they are even allowed to do that. Like, imagine you you're in conflict with another country and they buy land right next to your house. You're like, hey.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:51Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing? Forget about your house, a fucking military base. Anybody buying any land around a military base should be thoroughly vetted. It should be, there should be different laws. If you want to buy land around a military base, it should be like, no. You know.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, background check for sure.

• 1:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Not just background check, like you should be an American citizen, A. And you should have like a legitimate, verifiable reason for owning this land, like you're a farmer, or you're gonna put fucking windmills up there, whatever you're gonna do. It should make sense. It shouldn't be like, all you have to do is have the money. And you could buy land right next to a military base.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Where they're doing who knows what.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you know, China has like some of the top, top, uh, you know. Um, some of the the like, you never know what they're wanting, yeah, the technology.

• 1:29:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, their technology is off the charts. Their their drone technology is beyond ours. And they they have like crazy drone displays where they have enormous dragons.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I've seen that.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Fly them over the sky like thousands and thousands of drones and they make a dancing dragon in the sky. You're like, whoa. So they're all coordinated, but some sort of a computer program and they all work autonomously. It's nuts, man. Like their techno- their cars are insane. China's cars, they have electronic or electric cars that are beyond anything we have here in America.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:14Joe Rogan?

  And they can't sell them here, which I think is kind of crazy. I think that's kind of fucked. It's kind of, I mean, I guess we're in competition with China, but like. It should be survival of the fittest when it comes to cars. Like if you're making the best fucking cars and you happen to be in China, they should be over here.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:34Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it would suck if I was Ford and these Chinese cars were way better than anything that we're making here. But everybody that I've talked to, and I've talked to some guys that work for major automobile organizations, and they went over to China and they're like, oh my god, we're fucked. Like, these cars are insane.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, just Tesla alone, I know it's not China, but I mean.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, those cars are insane.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're pretty dope.

• 1:30:59Joe Rogan?

  But they make them here, and they make them in China, too. They made a lot, they were making a lot of them in China during the pandemic because the pandemic didn't really close things down in China the way it closed things down here. But they're, they have electric cars now that have like these insane suspensions. They go zero to sixty in one and a half seconds. They're nuts. Yeah, they, there's this dude that I follow online. God, what's his name? Forrest Auto Reviews? I'm trying to remember, but he does these quick reviews and somehow or another he always gets these Chinese cars. I'll find his name. But he gets, you know, you know who it is?

• 1:31:35Speaker 05

  No, but I was, I mean, I don't think this is his channel, but I'm looking at the Xiaomi SU7. I can find his video if you want me to.

• 1:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, these cars are nuts, man.

• 1:31:44Speaker 05

  Looks like a Tesla, but.

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's the dude.

• 1:31:47Speaker 05

  It is?

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What is his channel?

• 1:31:49Speaker 05

  This isn't his channel, I don't think.

• 1:31:52Joe Rogan?

  Somebody else uploaded it?

• 1:31:53Speaker 05

  Maybe, I don't know.

• 1:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Maybe. Maybe somebody else uploaded it. I think it's the same guy, let me find it. I think, I think it's Forrest Auto Review. No, that's not him. He's not that guy, hold on.

• 1:32:10Speaker 05

  This guy?

• 1:32:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes, Forrest Jones, that's it. So, he keeps finding, he keeps reviewing these, uh, just, just scroll down for his videos. Go to his video section.

• 1:32:24Speaker 05

  I'm not, if you search, you can just narrow it down more, but it didn't really work. One year ago, Tesla minivan, or China minivans.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  They have some crazy shit. Find a good one.

• 1:32:38Speaker 05

  I don't know if it's electric. It's just a luxury car, though.

• 1:32:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is it. This is electric. Look at these things. They're nuts.

• 1:32:47Speaker 06

  With this gorgeous speaker. I also get two wireless charging pads with a fan to keep them cool. I have this gorgeous drive mode selector. I have cup holders right in here and I have a dash cam that can do this.

• 1:32:57Speaker 05

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Great selfies.

• 1:33:00Speaker 06

  For the blicky. A big one. I have built in fragrances that slot in right here. If I push this button, I have more storage space and I can do this.

• 1:33:09Speaker 06

  If I push the button on the side of my seat, that'll fold down my armrest. My seats are heated, ventilated and massaging. I have an area right down here for my phone. I have built in sunscreen shades. If I push this button, my cup holder comes out and I can do this.

• 1:33:22Joe Rogan?

  This is thirty seven thousand dollars.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  And these cars are not available in the US?

• 1:33:28Speaker 05

  That one's thirty seven?

• 1:33:29Joe Rogan?

  Is that one?

• 1:33:29Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  No, maybe I'm looking at the wrong video. That sounds like it would cost more than thirty. It says luxury cars. What car is that? Does it say? Doesn't say in the description? No description's been added to this video. See, go over to the beginning, see what it says.

• 1:33:43Speaker 06

  Inside I get a moonroof, pillows on my headrest, heated, ventilated and massaging seats. I get a passenger screen, a main.

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

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• 1:35:16Joe Rogan?

  has a built-in LED flashlight. NOCO, the end of jumper cables. Use code ROGEN10 for 10% off select jump starters at NO.co. Yeah, so they're doing wild shit over in China with technology and they have full surveillance on their population. You can't say shit over there.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, they have like facial recognition and everything. That's crazy.

• 1:35:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't step out of line at all. They'll make you, turn you into a handbag. They don't fuck around over there. You know, they have, um, you know that bodies exhibit? Do you know what that is? Like the dead bodies exhibit?

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  Uh, I think there's one in Vegas.

• 1:35:56Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. They get their bodies, most of them, from China. And they're, yeah, they're, they're called like Chinese, I think it's undeclared bodies. So like if you die within a certain amount of time, if someone doesn't claim your body, unclaimed bodies, if someone doesn't claim your body within like 30 days, they just can turn you into a statue.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:36:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the problem with that. In order to do this process where they turn you into a statue, it has to take place within 48 hours of your death.

• 1:36:32Joe Rogan?

  So there's no way they're waiting a month.

• 1:36:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:34Joe Rogan?

  So they have to start this process like pretty soon after you die. And they they have this process called plastination and they take the bodies and they basically strip all the fat from the body. And they turn it into this plasticized s- statue of all your muscles and tendons and ligaments. And so you're out there like playing basketball and like you could see like the rib cage and all the ligaments. That was a dude that was probably tweeting the wrong thing or he worked for a company and he fucked up. Or he was banging someone's wife or he was doing something. And they turned this dude into a statue and now he's at the Luxor in Vegas playing golf.

• 1:37:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:15Joe Rogan?

  For real, we looked into it and it's there's not not just me saying this, there's a bunch of stories. Online about these different bodies and how they've found ones with bullet holes in them. They found one of them was crazy. So this lady was having an affair with a mayor in this town in China. And she was an online or a television broadcaster, she was like a news lady or something like that. And she was having an affair with the mayor. The wife finds out about it. The lady goes missing. She gets scrubbed from the internet. Turns out the lady was pregnant, she was eight months pregnant. She goes missing. Then all of a sudden, this pregnant lady appears at the bodies exhibit with the baby inside of her.

• 1:38:01Joe Rogan?

  Same exact size, same features, everything as this lady. The wife of the mayor who she was having an affair with, the wife was the manager of the plastination factory where they turn everybody into statues.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:38:16Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  And and these bodies, there's no skin on them?

• 1:38:20Joe Rogan?

  No skin, that gets even crazier. Years later, she gets arrested for killing another person. She gets arrested for poisoning some English businessman. And then it goes to trial. Well, the person who stood trial for her, the person who stood was not her. There's pictures of the lady on the stand, it's a different lady. So she must have paid someone off to get convicted and go to jail. Like paid their family off or something like that and she got free.

• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:38:52Joe Rogan?

  This is all alleged, by the way.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  All alleged, but the you could see the the video or the um the body is still exhibited. The body of the pregnant lady. So there's a pregnant lady and you see a cross section of her stomach where she's like holding on to her stomach and you see the fetus inside of her stomach. So we're supposed to believe that this undiscovered body, this unclaimed body of a pregnant lady with an eight month old fetus inside of her body. That they find it and then somehow or another they know it's cool so you just turn it into a statue. But you have to do that within forty eight hours of someone's death, but no one claimed it, which takes a month. None of it makes any sense.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing is nuts. Some of them are people that like, I'm gonna die. I want to donate my body to this exhibit. Okay, if you're crazy and that's what you want to do, that's cool. But that's not all those people. Some of those people are, it's very sketchy circumstances. See if you can find that image of the pregnant lady.

• 1:39:45Speaker 02

  I wonder how often or how many, how many times that happened like cuz cuz wouldn't like the the pregnant uh body like they never investigated it?

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  The family wanted to, the family wanted to investigate. They wouldn't let them. Exactly. They were trying to do that, but they wouldn't let them do it. These people have like obviously have immense power. If she got someone allegedly, got someone to stand in line for her.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  And this is like in China?

• 1:40:06Joe Rogan?

  It is in China. So look at this. This is the baby.

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Pregnant woman and the fetus inside of her.

• 1:40:15Joe Rogan?

  And so the family looked at the face and they're like, Jesus Christ, oh, someone stole the fetus? Oh.

• 1:40:22Speaker 05

  Also, I was digging, there's another scandal that happened in twenty twenty four with a bunch of corpses in China too.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a video or this where this investigative reporter, this investigative reporter visited one of these plastination factories. And there was bodies that were laying down. There's a video of it. You could watch the video. These bodies are laying down. They have sheets over their head and they have their arms tied behind their back and the sheets are bloody. So it looks like they all got whacked and they're all at this plant getting ready to be turned into a fucking statue. It's creepy as shit, man.

• 1:40:57Speaker 05

  This body was, they just stole the fetus.

• 1:41:02Speaker 05

  Two women in LA stole it.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Two, two women?

• 1:41:04Speaker 05

  This was 20 years ago.

• 1:41:05Joe Rogan?

  They probably stuffed it inside of their belly.

• 1:41:07Speaker 05

  Look, you're pregnant?

• 1:41:09Joe Rogan?

  She's probably on my Instagram algorithm right now.

• 1:41:11Speaker 05

  There's another scandal they had where over 4,000 bodies were in a ske- a corpse scheme, they said.

• 1:41:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:41:19Speaker 05

  Where they were being sold, uh, they, people, families thought their body, uh, their family member was being cremated, was not. They were being sold into, I was trying to find out what they were using.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of bodies. Jesus Christ.

• 1:41:30Speaker 05

  They were using them for bone grafting.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:41:33Speaker 05

  So, uh, al- allogenic bone graft products?

• 1:41:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's another thing, one of these schizophrenic ladies was telling me, and that is true, that, uh, a lot of these women are getting fat that's taken from cadavers. So they take fat from cadavers and then they inject that fat in their ass to give them a BBL, like no bullshit. And Whitney Cummings, I told, I sent it to Whitney, she's like, oh my god, it's literal dead ass.

• 1:42:04Joe Rogan?

  That's such a funny line, because that's what it is. I mean, it's dead tissue. You're taking a dead person's fat and they're stuffing it in their ass. Cadaver fat transfer utilizing processed human donor fat Phew, how could that? Has become a major emerging alternative to traditional autologous fat transfers, like traditional Brazilian butt lifts or BBLs, and synthetic implants. How does it work? Instead of harvesting fat from your own body via liposuction, surgeons use donated human fat harvested via authorized tissue banks, allegedly. The fat is rigorously screened, sterilized, and processed to remove all the donor's DNA, cells, and genetic material.

• 1:42:49Joe Rogan?

  What remains is a structural clumpy butter.

• 1:42:53Speaker 05

  That's disgusting.

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  So hot. Clumpy butter ass is so hot.

• 1:42:59Joe Rogan?

  Matrix of collagen, proteins, and growth factors. When injected into the body, this matrix provides immediate volume and also acts as a biological scaffold that encourages your own natural tissue to integrate and grow into it.

• 1:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's gross, bro. Dead ass.

• 1:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Actual dead ass. And women are doing this. How, see if you can find a video of them doing it. That's crazy. I was, I was thinking like, how do you? You don't want to?

• 1:43:29Speaker 05

  They call it zombie filler?

• 1:43:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so nasty, that's so nasty. How bad do you, just do some squats, you lazy bitch. But that's, people like a real ass anyway. The ass and the legs, it has to match, folks. It has to match, can't fake it. It's like, you ever see those dudes that, uh, they don't really have muscles, but they get oil injected into their arms?

• 1:43:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's just like, it's all weird.

• 1:43:53Joe Rogan?

  Weird, like, almost like a fake tit. I saw this Brazilian dude, he had it on his biceps.

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  And his traps?

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  He had his traps, yeah. Giant, crazy shoulders, big tits, crazy, and he's like flexing, doing all this stuff, but it looks weird. Cause it's, your body, it's like, it doesn't fit. Doesn't fit your body. That's the same thing when a girl gets a crazy fat ass and she's got these toothpick legs, cause she's lazy. Like, that doesn't fit your legs. This is, you see you're wearing a diaper, this is crazy, don't do that.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, dude, women-

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  Commit to the process.

• 1:44:24Speaker 02

  Women go to the extreme. Yeah?

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, I think if you do just a little bit, just a little bit of dead ass, maybe it's nice. You know, I bet there's girls that have done it, that you go to the right doctor, like, this Beverly Hills dude, he's like, "I got you."

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  Just enough.

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  You're just gonna plump that sucker up, just a little bit, just a little bit.

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  Little bit of dead ass.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  Little bit of distant touch, just a touch of dead ass.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  That's pretty gross, like, for someone to put someone else's clumpy butter and-

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking completely disgusting.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  How does your body even react to that, or how do like-

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Not well.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Not well.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  And then to have all that, take out the DNA and all this other stuff.

• 1:45:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what, what if they don't? What if that's bullshit? What if the DNA's in there? What if you start getting weird memories? You know?

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Weird memories from ass tissue, like weird nightmares? Let's go. Pull them up.

• 1:45:19Speaker 05

  Right here.

• 1:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Ho!

• 1:45:22Speaker 05

  Elderly male, fresh cadaver, underwent a layered dissection of ball bags.

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  So they're taking fat from an elderly guy's face?

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Actual dead body?

• 1:45:32Speaker 05

  Does it matter where the fat comes from?

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  I guess not. I guess it's just fat. So this is a dead guy and they're peeing, so who sold his body to some fucking laboratory where they do this?

• 1:45:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, have the clumpy butter in this.

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Look at that in the upper right hand corner.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  A whole crazy like.

• 1:45:48Joe Rogan?

  So this is pre-dead ass and post-dead ass.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  See, that's not bad.

• 1:45:52Joe Rogan?

  It's not bad, but that lady could have done that with the gym. That lady could have done that with, she didn't go crazy there. That's just a little dead ass. Just a, just a touch. That probably looks good on the side if you turn it sideways. Is there any photos where they show?

• 1:46:08Speaker 05

  This video there says one shot costs 20 grand.

• 1:46:11Joe Rogan?

  Let's see that guy. He looks like a demon.

• 1:46:13Speaker 05

  Well, these videos are, that's not even real shit.

• 1:46:16Joe Rogan?

  That's AI.

• 1:46:17Speaker 05

  It falls down, yeah, it falls down a weird, weird path here.

• 1:46:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:46:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm not showing those photos either. It's disgusting.

• 1:46:26Joe Rogan?

  So they're just sucking fat out of dead people? I had one of my knees reconstructed with a cadaver graft on my ACLs. I got a, they use a,

• 1:46:40Joe Rogan?

  a Achilles tendon, because an Achilles tendon is thicker and stronger than the actual ACL. And they put it in my right knee. It's never been a problem.

• 1:46:48Speaker 05

  Holy.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Works great.

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  Well, from, from your, from your own, from your own body?

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, from a dead dude.

• 1:46:53Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Ho! What's that?

• 1:46:56Speaker 05

  That says gluteal augmentation, so that's butt, right?

• 1:47:00Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:47:00Speaker 05

  It says fat grafting. So that would be putting fat into the butt?

• 1:47:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, where's that scar? Bro, that scar is gigantic.

• 1:47:11Speaker 05

  It's got a fork holding it open.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Look how green everything looks in there. Oh, that looks so nasty. It looks like bad cheese.

• 1:47:20Speaker 02

  That's disgusting.

• 1:47:21Joe Rogan?

  That looks like, you know when you go to see like dry, dry aged meat and you pass by those?

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  You know when you go to a nice steakhouse? They have the dry aged meat container. What, so you're gonna get your fat put in your ass or an implant, but then you have this massive scar?

• 1:47:36Speaker 05

  Oh, I mean, these pictures are gnarly. That is another head. Look at the ear right there.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  So that's where they're getting the fat?

• 1:47:43Speaker 05

  How much fat do you have in your head?

• 1:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, that says temporal augmentation by intermediate fat pad filler injection. So that's someone getting that done to their head?

• 1:47:56Speaker 05

  Maybe it's tightening up the skin?

• 1:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe, right? Like a filler.

• 1:48:01Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, there you go. Look, it says here.

• 1:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she looks good. That actually looks good. So that's from her fat, fat graft.

• 1:48:08Speaker 05

  Sorry, I can't show you these photos, guys. You have to Google it.

• 1:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Right. Sorry, folks. Some of it's disgusting. But if you look at, like, people's face when they get older, that's one of the things that happens is you lose collagen and fat in your face. And that would, does make sense that putting it in would be better. See, that looks like hell. Both of them look like hell. Don't do that. Go to the gym, lazy bitch. What is that one to the right of it, though? That one to the right, yeah, like there.

• 1:48:38Joe Rogan?

  So she got a little bit of a bubble butt from that. But again, go to the gym.

• 1:48:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:48:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at the rest of the body.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, go to the gym. This is crazy.

• 1:48:47Speaker 05

  Questionable tattoo.

• 1:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, questionable choices. You get dead ass. You get dead people's tissue pumped into your butt so that more people want to fuck you. Like, hey, find Jesus. Go find Jesus.

• 1:49:01Joe Rogan?

  If you are out there, I don't give a lot of advice, but this is my advice. If you're out there and you're thinking about getting dead people's fat pumped into your ass, you probably need Jesus.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  BBLs are kind of going out of style, man.

• 1:49:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  I think people think they're gross.

• 1:49:19Joe Rogan?

  Naturals are coming back.

• 1:49:20Speaker 02

  They should. Naturals are making a comeback.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Just work out. Like, there's a lot of ladies that had flat butts that they put in the time, they put in the effort, and now you're like, damn. You can do that, too. Anybody can do it. It's just the process.

• 1:49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  People don't like that process.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  People just want quick results, huh?

• 1:49:37Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  They don't want to work for it.

• 1:49:38Joe Rogan?

  They want Ozempic, and then they want dead ass. They don't want to lose the weight.

• 1:49:43Speaker 05

  Like a nice combo they could put together?

• 1:49:44Speaker 02

  And now, now they're saying...

• 1:49:46Speaker 05

  And then put it back where you want it?

• 1:49:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Retreotide. What is that called?

• 1:49:48Speaker 05

  Retitutide?

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Retitutide, Retitutide and Dead Ass. They should have like a one-stop shop.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, now they're saying Ozempic eats up your bones.

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, definitely.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  So everybody's, everybody's fucked because they've been taking it.

• 1:50:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just that. It also kills your desire. This is what's weird. Like, people are falling out of love when they get on Ozempic. Like, they lose their desire.

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. People lose ambition, they lose desire. They also lose addiction. Like, people that are addicted to cigarettes, people that are addicted to alcohol and gambling. Apparently Ozempic helps that. Because you're basically killing desire. Like, your, your desire to go and smoke a cigarette, your desire to have a drink. Gets killed by Ozempic.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it also changes your whole face, right?

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  Eats up all your, the fat from your face. Yeah.

• 1:50:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a problem. Especially for ladies as they get older. Like, the more fat you have on your face, the better you look. Like, when your skin gets real thin and starts draping over your bones, like, you know, that doesn't look healthy.

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Looks like a problem.

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  You like to cut, they just cut weight.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  I know. Yeah, it's fucked. It's fucked that that's a part of our society now. And it, it's just preying on people's lack of discipline and lack of understanding of the benefits of going through a process and achieving a result. Because of all these ladies that wanted to do this, instead, if they just went to a gym, started eating healthy, they would feel better, they would think better, their body would look better, everything would be better. And they wouldn't have to get dead ass.

• 1:51:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just people being really self-conscious, you know, about themselves. Like, I know a hot, hot ass chicks that, I'm like, wait, you take Ozempic? Why? Like, why? Oh, just like a little, you know, I'm like, you don't need it.

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  I think some women say there's a real benefit to taking a microdose after a certain age. I was watching a video, this lady's talking about how microdosing these GLP-1s is actually beneficial for some women after a certain age because it helps reduce inflammation, it does a bunch of different things to them. I don't know.

• 1:51:58Speaker 02

  Do you uh gain the weight like say if like there's people that just oh I'm just gonna do it like like really overweight people. They're just to obviously like have struggle do that struggle with diet and and working out. Uh when when they get off do like they gain all the weight back like everything else.

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Most likely if it's a psychological issue, the moment you get off of it, that psychological issue is gonna return.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  Cause that like shrinks your stomach or something, right?

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it does, but it's basically you're starving yourself, just like when you got out of jail, you barely could eat that double cheeseburger.

• 1:52:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Right? It's because your stomach shrank because you weren't eating much. That's kind of the same thing that happens with Ozempic. I mean, what what happens to them when people say, oh, my God, it makes you lose bone mass, it makes you lose muscle mass. Right, but so does starving yourself. That's one of the things that happens when people they go on these crash diets. They go, I'm just I'm thirty pounds overweight, I'm just not gonna eat. Okay, well, your body's gonna find food somewhere, so it's gonna eat itself. And yeah, your body will eat fat, but it's also gonna eat muscle tissue. It's also gonna eat bone tissue. Your body's gonna consume itself to survive, which is crazy. So these things that you're getting, these side effects of like bone loss and muscle loss, that's what would happen if you just stopped eating too.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  It's your body doesn't have any nutrients, just like when you were in jail, you weren't getting any protein, you weren't growing any muscles.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:18Joe Rogan?

  Your body is not getting the nutrients that it needs, so it's just shrinking. So retitruide, is that how you say it? I believe so. So that the difference between this retitruide. This one is a different one in that this one allows you to have all the weight loss, but you don't lose the muscle loss. It's not the same thing.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  I wanna show you a picture of what I look like, bro.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, please do.

• 1:53:42Speaker 02

  It was horrible.

• 1:53:44Joe Rogan?

  You got my number, send it to me and I'll send it to Jamie.

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  If um.

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  It's shocking, bro. Holy hell, bro.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  If this retitruide, am I saying it right? Retitruide, retitruide, whatever it is. This one, they think is gonna be incredible because this one is going to give you all the fat loss, but none of the muscle loss, none of the bone density loss. And I wonder if it's gonna be the same for like desire and whether it's gonna fuck with addictions and all those other things too. Because I was reading this thing where employers are, um, they're getting upset at people taking GLP-1s because it changes their ambition.

• 1:54:22Speaker 05

  I saw it too. I've been trying to find that article ever since I saw it and I can't find it.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:27Speaker 05

  And it's, not that it is, but it makes me wonder if it's like, uh...

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, propaganda.

• 1:54:31Speaker 05

  Propaganda against it from the people who are on like, you know, selling the good stuff now. They don't want them, don't want to get replaced.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  It could. Put it into perplexity. See what AI, our AI sponsor...

• 1:54:43Speaker 05

  Are people working?

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, um...

• 1:54:46Speaker 05

  Habits change?

• 1:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Do employ, are their employers who are having a problem with their employees taking GLP-1s because it affects their work or ambition? I think what they were saying was ambition. It's making people less ambitious, which kind of makes sense because I think a lot of people, their ambition is probably an addiction. They're probably addicted to kicking ass and doing things. Here it goes. "Yes, but the main employer issues with GLP-1s today are cost coverage and side effects impacting attendance and productivity, not a clearly documented widespread loss of work ambition."

• 1:55:30Speaker 05

  That'd be the same thing, kind of, probably.

• 1:55:32Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah, productivity, sure, if you're not as ambitious. But attendance is, unless you're injured, you're hurt.

• 1:55:38Speaker 05

  No, it's my, my, you might just not show up. You might be like, "I don't even feel like going."

• 1:55:42Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. So, "Side effects and performance. Common, common side effects are nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, plus headaches and fatigue can result in comfort, increased absenteeism, and are tied to workplace performance issues if unmanaged. Legal and HR complexity, employers must balance cost control with ADA, HIPAA, and non-discrimination rules when deciding coverage and when asked about employee medication use. Evidence of motivation and ambition. There are anecdotal stories, uh, media and personal accounts of people feeling less driven or shifting life priorities on GLP-1s, but these are not yet backed by large workplace-specific

• 1:56:24Joe Rogan?

  studies, so employers are not treating lost ambition as a primary policy issue." But I bet they're thinking about it.

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I bet they're thinking about it. I mean, it makes sense. Did you find it?

• 1:56:37Speaker 02

  I'm having to send it to me right now.

• 1:56:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay. What'd you look like right when you got out?

• 1:56:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was crazy, dude. I can't find it right now. I'm having someone send it to me though.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay. No worries.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  Kind of embarrassed to show you, but I gotta, I gotta, I gotta see this, because if you see me now, I'm gonna, holy hell, bro.

• 1:56:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, good before and after is great. The people that are really brave are the ones that say, I'm gonna get in shape. So here's what I look like right now. And they post that on the internet, like, whoa, that's, that's crazy.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:11Joe Rogan?

  But that's also, it's a good way to hold yourself accountable, you know?

• 1:57:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:15Joe Rogan?

  Want a bunch of people to shit on you? Fat shaming, like fat shaming works. I know it's not nice. People don't like it. But when someone calls you a fat fuck, and you're like, oh, man, I got, yeah, my fuck. Like, you start thinking and you go to work.

• 1:57:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. Yeah. A little bit of hard work, you know? A little bit of hard work to get it, you know?

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, if there's a way where massively obese people that are dying can get healthy, and it's a GLP-1, I'm all for it. But for everybody else, just get to work. And you'll, you'll, you'll respect yourself so much better. Like, right now, like, you, you could look in the mirror and go, damn, I look so much better than I did when I got out of jail.

• 1:57:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:53Joe Rogan?

  Because you could have stayed looking exactly that same way, right? If you got discouraged when you were saying, like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do this, I have no endurance, I don't know if it's ever gonna come back. A lot of people would have just quit right there.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  And if you quit right there, you wouldn't be able to appreciate the results when you kept going. And that's the, that's the case with everybody that's at a bad place right now. Just go to work. Go to work. Write it down. Go to work. Put it together.

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. And yeah, man, I think it just makes you that much like uh stronger and and and like aside from the the work, but like in internally.

• 1:58:32Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:58:32Speaker 02

  You know, makes you value yourself so much more and health.

• 1:58:36Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely.

• 1:58:37Speaker 02

  You know.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  It's also good for your brain and your brain's ability to do tough things. If you get through something difficult, you realize like, oh, I've been here, but like the next time some fucked up shit happens to you, like I've been here before, I know it sucks right now, but I'm gonna just trust this process.

• 1:58:52Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:58:53Joe Rogan?

  Keep on truckin'.

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  So right when I when I got back to work and I was like, man, I'm I'm in the phase right now where it it sucks, you know, like waking up sore as hell. I remember the first time I did leg day, I couldn't, I couldn't even fucking walk, dude.

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  Did you have somebody wa- walking you through it, like how to do it correctly, where you don't overdo it in the beginning? Because like, did you work with a trainer or anybody?

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, yeah, uh, uh, like over at the P I. There, so when we first got started, we obviously didn't wanna like, cuz I'm I was so eager to just get back in shape and and and it was it was tough, you know, but that's like one of the things that that uh like while running, why I like I like I love to run. And it's it's like one of those things where like a lot of people, they reach to where the point where they get tired and then they just stop, you know, they they'll just quit, you know, and like you gotta push yourself more and more harder and more harder, next thing you know, you catch a second wind and you know, you're you're jamming.

• 2:00:00Speaker 02

  But when I first first started, I swear dude, like I would like, so when I first got out, my my oldest son, he he wrestles for high school.

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  And he was like, oh, you wanna wrestle, you wanna wrestle? Because like, you know, he do, I was out of shape. I'm like, oh, man, he might, he might get me. You know, so in my mind, I'm like, all right, I got one good, one good takedown in me and and and yeah, sure enough, um, we wrestled and then shot for that takedown, got the takedown and got up and I'm just like, whoa, whoa, and like he just ragdolled me after that.

• 2:00:38Speaker 02

  You just ragdolled me, man, and then, actually, a couple of days ago, I got back from Vegas, and I hit him up, I'm like, "What's up now?", you know, like, "What's up now?", and, yeah, man, from that first, from that first workout to this one, you know, we made it through a whole, a whole workout, you know, it's such a good feeling because I got really, like, really discouraged, bro, I'm not even gonna lie, and there was points where I was like, got real emotional, like, "Dude, how am I this tired?", like, this is crazy, you know, and then, I just always told myself, like, "Dude, you've made it through so much in your life, that you could come back, and you can bounce back from this", so that's, this whole,

• 2:01:21Speaker 02

  this whole process has been like, to me, it's just like a comeback, comeback, comeback story, you know?

• 2:01:27Joe Rogan?

  Of course, and it's just about trusting that process, it's just so hard when you used to be at one point, and now you're way, way, way below that, and you gotta build back up to get to where you used to be, you know, but, that's, that's kind of a blessing, there's a blessing in that, because you realize, like, after it's over, it's like, "Wow, I did it, I did it, I pushed through all that bullshit, I got my body back in shape again, and I'm back", like, when you get done with your camp, when you're peaking, and on that last week, you're gonna feel so good.

• 2:01:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, honestly, I feel great now, and, and, like, I feel like I've, I've done such a great job, and, and actually recovering more, doing like, a lot more recovery stuff, and I've been, I've incorporated that so much, and before, I should just go, go, go, and like, now, like, I take the time to recover, and, and, um, I've been, I've been taking this stuff from Regenerate.

• 2:02:24Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 2:02:25Speaker 02

  Uh, Regenerate is, uh, like, N, N, what is it, NAD or something like that?

• 2:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:02:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, stuff like that, and, and...

• 2:02:32Joe Rogan?

  So it's NMN, so it's like a precursor to NAD?

• 2:02:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  So you can find that stuff?

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  UFC.

• 2:02:38Joe Rogan?

  UFC provides it?

• 2:02:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that means it's third-party tested, Regenerate?

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Does that, um, who, who makes that stuff? Do you know?

• 2:02:50Speaker 02

  Um, I know, I know that they're, they're definitely UFC, uh.

• 2:02:55Joe Rogan?

  Approved.

• 2:02:56Speaker 02

  Approved. And like, I think they might even sponsor.

• 2:02:58Joe Rogan?

  Thorn is the main supplement company that you, that the UFC uses, right?

• 2:03:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Because they're all third-party tested. It's like, safe for sport.

• 2:03:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, uh, it's, uh, True Shield certified products for professional athletes. And, uh, yeah, I started, I started taking that like about two, two fights ago. And, yeah, I feel great. I guess it's like NAD, like some kind of anti-aging or something like that and stuff.

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's, uh, it basically lengthens your telomeres. And it is, uh, it sort of brings your body back

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  to like a level of recovery that it had when it was younger, allegedly. There's a lot of, there's a lot of people that take IV NAD and they take, um, NAD and, um, you know, you can get it in the subcuta, um, what's it called? Subcutaneous, uh, under the fat injections. They do it that way, too.

• 2:03:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, but, um.

• 2:04:00Joe Rogan?

  But I think some of the best ways is actually NMN, that stuff. Cause it, what it does is it, it's like a precursor and your body just makes more NAD that way.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Um, I take it.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it works. I take it before I go to bed every night. And you know, Andrew Huberman was telling me about it. He was saying it, he noticed that when he really felt like it was working, one of the things that he noticed was that his fingernails were growing quicker. And that's the same thing with me. I, I texted him the other day. I go, this is crazy. Like, my fingernails grow way quicker than they used to. And I think it's because of that.

• 2:04:32Speaker 02

  Oh, that's crazy. I just noticed that too. My nails been going crazy too.

• 2:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I think it's your body's ability to regenerate.

• 2:04:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, and heal. And like for fighters, like there's nothing more important than your ability to recover from a hard workout. So you can get to another one.

• 2:04:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I spent a lot of time like in a hyperbaric, hyperbaric chamber. And now there's this thing, um, like this P- Pimp, P- PMF?

• 2:04:59Joe Rogan?

  PMF?

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, PMF or something like that.

• 2:05:02Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:05:02Speaker 02

  And it's like an actual, like a whole bed and just like,

• 2:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:06Speaker 02

  Just kicks up like, like just, um, something like electric, like little pulses.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:05:12Speaker 02

  And I'll be taking naps on that thing. So some of this stuff, I don't even know what it does. And I was like, oh, it's for recovery. I'll do it, you know?

• 2:05:19Joe Rogan?

  Hyperbaric works. And it works in the same way that NAD and NMN work in that it lengthens your telomeres. Like they did this study out of a university in Israel, I believe it was, where they put people on a protocol of for 90 days, they did 60, 90 minute sessions at a hyperbaric chamber. And they showed that their telomere increase was equal to a 20 year difference in biological age. So it makes your cells younger because you're infusing them with energy. You're infusing them with oxygen. Every time I do it, when I do it for like a series of it, where I get like real consistent with it when I have the time, I always feel better. I'm always like, why don't I do this all the time?

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I'm in there like four or five times a week.

• 2:06:04Joe Rogan?

  That's huge. That is one of the best things ever for your recovery, especially as you get older. You know, because it makes your body react like a young body does, you know?

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I'm over here against, racing against the clock, man. So I'm like trying to do everything possible to, for my body, just to recover from these hard ass workouts, you know?

• 2:06:24Joe Rogan?

  How long was it after you got out before you started sparring again?

• 2:06:28Speaker 02

  Um, I recently just started sparring about three weeks ago.

• 2:06:32Joe Rogan?

  So you gave yourself a month and a half or something?

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  So what I wanted to do was, was definitely get in shape. Get, get in good enough shape to like, because if you go to extreme and you're out of shape, you're gonna,

• 2:06:44Joe Rogan?

  gonna be killed.

• 2:06:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're gonna.

• 2:06:46Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be very demoralizing.

• 2:06:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so I I definitely wanted to to get my my get myself in good enough shape so like this whole time I've been doing like a whole bunch of like weightlifting stuff and and technical stuff and and a lot of S and C stuff and and

• 2:07:02Joe Rogan?

  strength and conditioning, just getting your body back in condition again.

• 2:07:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, so so just recently, I'm like, all right, I feel I feel I feel good enough to to to spar and and um yeah, I've been having pretty hard sparring sparring sessions.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were a guy that was known for your endurance before, you know, you're not a guy that fatigues and fights very much, you know, so it's like and you always push a good pace, too. So for you to get back to where you used to be and have that same style, like you have to be in shape first.

• 2:07:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I feel like I've been getting getting ready just to start getting ready, you know.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you wish you had more time than August, or do you think it's a good enough time period?

• 2:07:44Speaker 02

  I think it's a good enough time, especially like the way I feel now.

• 2:07:47Joe Rogan?

  And you have two months to go.

• 2:07:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I have like another eight, eight and a half weeks, eight, nine weeks, something like that.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  That's nice. Have you been to Serbia before?

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  Never been. I've been watching videos of like um the Serbian crowd like in basketball and and yeah, it's wild.

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Bro. That shit is wild.

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  So so in my mind, that's what I'm that's what I'm expecting. I'm expecting like it's gonna be chanting and.

• 2:08:12Joe Rogan?

  They might be. Have they had a UFC in Serbia before?

• 2:08:14Speaker 02

  This is the first one.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:08:17Speaker 02

  Where's UFC in Serbia?

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  We've played those Serbian basketball games a bunch of times. Here we go.

• 2:08:21Speaker 05

  Outside one.

• 2:08:22Joe Rogan?

  There's an outside one. They got fires and shit.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Wait, I don't hear anything.

• 2:08:28Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I I had looked I had looked this up because I'm.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  Listen to these people.

• 2:08:39Joe Rogan?

  They treat it like war.

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Like the audiences, they chant like they're, like a war is going on.

• 2:08:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:45Joe Rogan?

  In the middle of a basketball game.

• 2:08:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:08:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, all these Serbians that are coming over and dominating an American basketball. Well, guess why?

• 2:08:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Those are tough motherfuckers.

• 2:08:54Speaker 02

  That's originally why, I had looked this up a long time ago and, um, was it Nikola Jokic? Jokic is one of the top NBA players. Uh, and I was like, when I, when I, uh, when I found, found a fanboy over like, and I, I love basketball. Basketball is like one of my favorite sports. Um, I always like look into like the background of the basketball player, where he came from. And I had already seen the Serbian basketball crowds. Like, man, I'd be dope to go to like a, a basketball game in Serbia, you know?

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'd be careful what I ate and drank. You know what I'm saying?

• 2:09:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Going over there to fight their main dude in the main event.

• 2:09:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:09:34Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  Just get him in charge.

• 2:09:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like, dude, that's, that's crazy, man. It's like.

• 2:09:39Joe Rogan?

  Especially if they've never had a, a fight over there before, never had a UFC over there. I'm not accusing the Serbians of doing, I'm like, it might be a few unscrupulous gamblers. A few people.

• 2:09:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Look at this, look at here we go. This is a basketball game.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they got war drums. They got war drums they're pounding.

• 2:10:14Joe Rogan?

  Bro, this is Viking shit.

• 2:10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  I love it.

• 2:10:19Speaker 02

  So this is what I, this is what I'm expecting when I go over there.

• 2:10:21Joe Rogan?

  I love it, I love it. I want to go see a basketball game over there.

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  Especially fighting their, their guy.

• 2:10:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, it's gonna be nuts, man, for sure. But it's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be so weird for you just to, when they shut that cage, like, oh my God, I'm back.

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  I was in jail in Mexico.

• 2:10:36Speaker 02

  I was in a different kind of cage.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like a way less preferable cage. Wild, man. What a crazy fucking story.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, and I get to, you know, tell the whole, keep the story going, you know? Make it even, make it even better.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, does it, does it piss you off because like you had so much momentum after beating Kevin Holland? Like that was a big victory for you?

• 2:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it couldn't have happened at a, at a worst time, man.

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  I know, because Kevin's a tough guy and a tricky guy. And that was, that was a welterweight fight, right?

• 2:11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:11Joe Rogan?

  And fighting him at welterweight, that's where he's at his best, you know? Kevin at welterweight is really, that's where he belongs.

• 2:11:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  For you to beat him, that's huge.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, and uh.

• 2:11:21Joe Rogan?

  He's such a tricky guy too, man.

• 2:11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was an amazing fight, dude.

• 2:11:24Joe Rogan?

  It was.

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  I hadn't, I hadn't been, I, I think, I don't think I've had a fight like that in my career where so, so much going on, I was almost, yeah, I, I dropped him in the second, you know, I was blew my fucking gas tank trying to finish him and then come the third round, he drops me and then almost finishes me and I bounce back and then end up on top. It's like this, these are, those are the fights that I trained for, bro. In my mind, that's what I'm training for, you know?

• 2:11:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  And it couldn't have worked out, it couldn't, that fight was amazing. I had, that's my third time being scheduled to fight him and um finally, finally happened and it was an amazing fight. It was everything I expected it to be and I, I expect this fight to be an absolute war as well, you know? Dude, dude's a, um, you know, he's got a couple knockouts, come, you know, looks pretty good.

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  He's a very skillful guy, very skillful guy. Yurov Medich is no joke, he's very good.

• 2:12:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:20Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be a good fight.

• 2:12:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  It's perfect.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna bring it, you know?

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:12:25Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm bringing that.

• 2:12:26Joe Rogan?

  You always do.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  Very, yeah.

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  But for that, man, it's gonna be so emotional for you, like having that moment, like realize that you're, you're fully all the way back.

• 2:12:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  I can't imagine.

• 2:12:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 2:12:41Joe Rogan?

  What is the craziest shit you saw in jail in Mexico?

• 2:12:45Speaker 02

  The craziest shit I, I saw in jail in Mexico, um.

• 2:12:51Speaker 02

  I'm really too crazy, man.

• 2:12:53Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:12:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:54Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine Tijuana jail is pretty fucking crazy. Was it because you were in sort of a protected area?

• 2:13:01Speaker 02

  Nah, to be honest with you, the, the, the area I was in was kinda like, it's like the VIP section, bro. It was like, everybody was like there, like someone with money or like,

• 2:13:14Speaker 02

  you know, well, we paid to be there, you know, it wasn't like, it wasn't like that protected. It was kinda dangerous in a sense where like at night, all the cell doors are open. You know, so it's kinda like a little, little, little dangerous on that.

• 2:13:29Joe Rogan?

  Sketchy.

• 2:13:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, a little sketchy.

• 2:13:31Joe Rogan?

  Nobody got killed or anything while you were there?

• 2:13:34Speaker 02

  Not on my, not in my section.

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  But in other sections of the jail, people got killed?

• 2:13:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:40Joe Rogan?

  How many?

• 2:13:42Speaker 02

  In my, since the whole time I was there, like I'd say like two or three. You know, but um, man, the craziest thing I saw in jail. Probably, probably some of this, I bought an ounce of weed.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  You bought an ounce of weed? That was the last thing I would buy. If I was in jail for weed.

• 2:14:02Speaker 02

  I bought an ounce of weed.

• 2:14:03Joe Rogan?

  Were you worried about they're gonna piss test you or anything?

• 2:14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, no.

• 2:14:09Speaker 02

  Well, the guards brought it in, so I figured like,

• 2:14:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that's crazy.

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  How much in trouble for this if the guards are bringing it?

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. The guards sold you weed. That is wild. How much is an ounce of weed in Mexico?

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  About, about three hundred dollars. It's crazy, bro. You could, you could pay for girls to come in, bro.

• 2:14:27Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:14:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. They have like a, a, a menu.

• 2:14:32Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 2:14:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  And they can't get a steak? I'd be like, keep the ladies. Can you get me a ribeye?

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Dude, we had a, we had a barbecue one time.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, we had, we had a, a fucking, um, we literally had like a barbecue. It was like, well, not on a grill. But when I first got there, we had like these hot, these hot plates and. And the leader uh would always like do stuff for the whole tier. You know, like he'll always like, oh, today we, you know, like every once in a while. Say like once or twice a week, maybe um nah, not once or twice a week. I say like once or twice, maybe uh uh in every couple of weeks. Like we'll get like pizza, like they'll order pizzas and shit.

• 2:15:20Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, and and and for like, I think it was like a thousand, five hundred. The you could like order a chick, bro, like a thou- like a thousand bucks or like a thousand five hundred, something like that. And they'll put you in the conjugal, in the conjugal rooms with some random chick and you could, you know, have have your time order for like three, four hours, something like that.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  So you could basically, if you have money and influence, you could kind of do anything in there.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, if you got, if you got money, you'll, you'll be okay.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 2:15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:52Joe Rogan?

  As okay as you're gonna be in a Tijuana jail.

• 2:15:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I mean, you're still locked in a cell. I mean, we would only go, we would only get um two days of yard for one, one and a, what, an hour and a half. You know, an hour and a half, and the whole time I spent it running.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  Trying to run, trying to keep my, my cardio up and it was crazy, dude, because I was like the only dude out there. Like working out, you know, and and honestly, by the time I left, I had everybody like working out, running or or like doing some kind of, like, it was, it was crazy how how I I uh

• 2:16:32Speaker 02

  my, just me working out and doing like my daily thing, just like affected other people, you know, like.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like how I, I remember like I would have like, I would come out to on the tier. And um I'd be like doing, doing workouts with with dudes right there, you know, and and like I said, there's a couple dudes in there that are some dogs, you know, and uh yeah, hopefully, hopefully, if if they do get out, you know.

• 2:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Can they contact you if they get out? Do you have their information?

• 2:17:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm still in contact with them.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  That's cool. Hopefully you can get them set up, man. Did you get the picture in?

• 2:17:12Speaker 02

  Oh my god, yeah.

• 2:17:16Speaker 02

  Somewhere out there is a Chevy truck, and the person who drives it, well, is a Chevy person. You probably know one. Your buddy, your sister, ones who always show up. They're the first to rise, the last to leave.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  They always have that little extra something, and maybe you've got it too. Chevrolet, together let's drive. Visit chevy.com/trucks to explore the lineup.

• 2:17:43Joe Rogan?

  Send it to me. I'll send it to Jamie. The world needs to see this.

• 2:17:48Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:17:51Joe Rogan?

  Is it crazy looking at it?

• 2:17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:58Joe Rogan?

  Did you send it?

• 2:17:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:18:06Joe Rogan?

  Here we go.

• 2:18:09Joe Rogan?

  Waiting for it to come in here.

• 2:18:10Speaker 02

  But yeah, man.

• 2:18:12Joe Rogan?

  So, the two, you said a few people got killed? Did you know those people?

• 2:18:17Speaker 02

  No, no, I didn't know, but when-

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, this picture's crazy.

• 2:18:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, when, uh, stuff like that happens, like, there's obviously, like,

• 2:18:26Speaker 02

  you hear, cuz, cuz, um, oh, you know what? A lot of dudes were overdosing in there.

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:18:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:32Joe Rogan?

  From fentanyl?

• 2:18:33Speaker 02

  I think so, bro. A lot of dudes were in there, like, doing heroin and stuff. Yeah.

• 2:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that picture's crazy, though, huh?

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  It is crazy.

• 2:18:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then, like, to...

• 2:18:46Speaker 02

  It's crazy, dude. It's crazy how I've bounced back from that.

• 2:18:50Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Wow, you look so thin.

• 2:18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. Just malnourishment at its finest, bro. Oh my god.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you look like a dude who's just getting out of prison. That's what you look like.

• 2:19:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's the first.

• 2:19:05Joe Rogan?

  What do you got, a burrito there?

• 2:19:07Speaker 02

  Uh, some tacos. So that's like right after I had the burger. I only took like two bites of those tacos. I was like, yo, I'm full.

• 2:19:14Joe Rogan?

  I imagine. Your stomach must have been super shrunk. But yeah, you could see where you lost all your muscle mass.

• 2:19:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, so to bounce back from that and to be, to, you know, be in decent shape right now.

• 2:19:29Joe Rogan?

  How many guys died of overdose while you were there?

• 2:19:32Speaker 02

  About three or four of them.

• 2:19:34Joe Rogan?

  Damn. So you could kind of get anything you want, really, in jail. You get any kind of drug. Could you get steroids?

• 2:19:42Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't think so. I try to get protein.

• 2:19:45Joe Rogan?

  Protein powder?

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, some protein powder, but we never, it was never able to happen.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. They get you heroin, no problem.

• 2:19:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

  Protein powder, oh, that's kind of an issue.

• 2:19:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  That's ridiculous. That's crazy.

• 2:19:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. I had, I had turned myself into like a little gym, man. I was like, just trying to, trying to stay busy, man. And I always told myself like, man, there's for some, this is, there's gotta be some way that there's gonna, this is gonna work out for me, you know? And,

• 2:20:16Speaker 02

  you know, I ended up, I ended up having to, you know, pay a nice amount of money, you know, to be here. To be here today is a lot, bro.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure. We'll talk about that later. But I'm, listen, I'm glad you got out, you know? I, I had only heard about it, um, maybe a few months ago. I'd heard about it like, I want to say three, four months ago, because someone had asked where you were. Like, you know, someone saying, you know who we haven't seen a while is D-Rod. And then someone said, dude, I heard he's locked up in Tijuana. And I was like, oh, no. Like, what a fucking hat. Like, that could be it forever. You hear someone's locked up in a Mexican jail, like, that could be it forever. Never hear from you again.

• 2:21:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. Uh.

• 2:21:04Speaker 02

  I'm so happy to be out dude.

• 2:21:06Joe Rogan?

  I can only imagine.

• 2:21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:08Joe Rogan?

  I can only imagine. I mean, listen, it's, you don't appreciate the sunshine until you experience a lot of rain. Unfortunately, that's how people operate. You know, you get real accustomed to things being great and then you don't feel good about it anymore. You need like a little bit of that in your life sometimes, just a little bit of a wake up call to let you realize like you should be so happy and so thankful that you get to experience this life, especially the way you're experiencing it. I mean, what a dream to go from being a guy who's in and out of jail, fucking up your whole life to being a top 15 UFC welterweight contender in arguably one of the toughest divisions in the sport, if not the toughest. I mean, the UFC welterweight division is fucking crazy.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:54Joe Rogan?

  You got Carlos Prates, you got Sean Brady, you got Morales, you know?

• 2:21:59Speaker 02

  Yeah dude, and before I got arrested, we, we were, I was gonna fight Prates.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:22:06Speaker 02

  I would have fought him in Brazil.

• 2:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Woo!

• 2:22:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:09Joe Rogan?

  That would have been wild.

• 2:22:11Speaker 02

  Yeah dude, and

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  yeah, I mean, it's crazy to see like how the division has changed. Like right now, the top five dudes are Ian Gary, Prates, Morales, uh, Makachev's champion. And it's completely top, it's completely like different now from, from, from when I, when I got arrested.

• 2:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the JDM-Prates fight?

• 2:22:39Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I wasn't able to see that one.

• 2:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Prates looked so good. He's, he's so clever. That's a tricky striker, man. And he's so long, so long for the weight class. It's almost like his arms belong to a dude who's seven feet tall. You know what I mean? Like his arms and legs are so long. He's so slick.

• 2:22:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, when I, um, when I first got released, um,

• 2:23:04Speaker 02

  We were, we were planning to fight Leon Edwards. Yeah, but um, I think it would have been July 11th and that would have been way too, it would have been too soon. You know, but I mean, the August fights, a couple of weeks after that, but you know.

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  That's a big factor though. Those couple of weeks when you're dealing with like your body recovering from what you've been through. That's, that's, August sounds right. July sounds early.

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, so now I'm, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be ready, bro. I'm gonna be in super good shape.

• 2:23:40Speaker 02

  And, and I just, I just trust all the, the work that's ahead of me, all the work that I have lined up and, and, and all the recovery and, and just, just, it's like, like, like I said, man, like just appreciating everything, you know, my, like my life, bro. I've been out of jail before and no one ever gave a fuck, you know, like now I'm, I'm out and I have these amazing opportunities and I'm sitting here talking to you, bro.

• 2:24:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, and, and more importantly, you got a big fight coming up, so that's very exciting. I'm very happy for you, brother.

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  Hell yeah, man.

• 2:24:13Joe Rogan?

  I can't imagine what you went through. I can't imagine what it felt like, wondering if you're ever gonna get out. You know, and thank God you had the resources and you knew the right people and they figured out how to do it and turned you into a Mexican.

• 2:24:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  That dual citizenship, that's wild.

• 2:24:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, I can't wait to hear all about it off air, but congratulations on getting out. I look forward to your fight. I'm real pumped. I'm really pumped for you. I'm very happy. Very happy you're out.

• 2:24:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. Biggest fight of my life coming up, man. I'm just embracing all the work and just everything, bro. Just everything. I'm, I'm living the whole process.

• 2:24:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I can't wait to see the fight. So congratulations. I know the people are rooting for you. So, thank you for being here, man. It was a lot of fun.

• 2:24:57Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me, bro.

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. My pleasure. Alright, bye, everybody.