#2474 - Dave Smith

Dave Smith is a comic, political commentator, and host of the “Part of the Problem” podcast.www.youtube.com/@PartOfTheProblemwww.partoftheproblem.comwww.comicdavesmith.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Intuit TurboTax: Learn more at https://turbotax.intuit.com/?cid=bn_wk_12 Visible. Live in the know. https://www. Visible.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  So Dave, you were telling me right before the show that you are now retiring because you got an impromptu phone call and bet hundreds of millions of dollars on oil prices going down. Congratulations.

• 0:25Speaker 02

  It was a, it was a good bet, it just wasn't timed right.

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  I thought you got it in on time. I thought you got it in like, yeah. I thought you got it in like five minutes early.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  I did not.

• 0:37Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how is there not a massive investigation into that right away? Didn't someone make like 1.8 billion dollars?

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  In like five minutes?

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of those, like trades like that that should be investigated that kinda never are.

• 0:50Joe Rogan?

  Bro. How about, what's his name, Lutnick? Yeah, how about that one?

• 0:56Speaker 02

  He's, so he's-

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  The tariffs one?

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Working for the administration and also standing to gain huge if people can sue over the tariffs, right?

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, explain the whole thing.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  Well-

• 1:07Joe Rogan?

  Do you know, how do, do you know the actual details of it?

• 1:10Speaker 02

  No, I don't really know the details.

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  Essentially, he was telling everybody that, you know, don't sweat it, the tariffs are golden, we're getting them through, there's gonna be no problems. Is that what it was? But in meanwhile, he was shorting the tariffs?

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, so he was personally shorting them while promoting them.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out what that actually is so we don't get sued.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  I bet he's a quite litigious gentleman.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, he might be.

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  See if we can find it.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  Like, is it wild that people are on the files, visited the island, and then they still work?

• 1:39Speaker 02

  It was unbelievable.

• 1:40Joe Rogan?

  Some people had to resign from some jobs.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  Well, especially just him because he so, the way, there's something about a really confident liar, like where they just, because I mean, that, that interview clip where he's like, let me tell you something, I met Jeffrey Epstein that one time, he had a massage table, he said they were sex massage tables, I went right back to my wife and I said, honey, we are never hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein again, and that is that, you know?

• 2:03Joe Rogan?

  Is that really the quote?

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I mean, it was-

• 2:05Joe Rogan?

  I haven't seen that.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  I don't know if it's verbatim, but that is the exact spirit of it.

• 2:09Joe Rogan?

  Let's, let's listen to it.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Listen, listen to it, I'm very, very close to exactly what he said.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  Make it this one again, what was this one?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Lutnik, Lutnik interview about Epstein. And he just sounds, I mean, so like morally outraged about the idea.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  There's so many people that they exist in that world where you just pretend that you're a different person. You pretend you're one way.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32Joe Rogan?

  You pretend you think things differently.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  It's a, I've been up close with people like that. I said, that was my takeaway from debating Chris Cuomo. Was like, I just could, it's a weird thing to see someone just lie like that.

• 2:43Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Now, this is the one that says he's the greatest blackmailer ever.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Which quote am I trying to find?

• 2:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, try to explain it to him.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  It was a, let me see the keywords that would.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Downplays relationship with him, that, that might be it.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  Cause there was something on the other thing, but I don't know what that was.

• 3:04Joe Rogan?

  What does he do?

• 3:05Speaker 02

  He's a, what's, he's a commerce secretary. Uh, he was a, he was always like a money finance guy. He, I think he used to work for CNBC if I'm correct.

• 3:15Joe Rogan?

  In this administration, this like, the wolves have taken over the hen house.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they sure have. This is, this is what draining the swamp looks like.

• 3:25Joe Rogan?

  Under fire for Epstein ties, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik defends visiting his private island.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but this is, this isn't the clip. The clip was from.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's at the top, it says, it says, Lutnik said in an interview last year, he was never in the room with Epstein. Other than a 2005 visit to his apartment. Okay, so that's probably it. He said, you know, he met him once and like, this guy sucks.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  He specifically says that he met him, that he saw he had a massage table in his living room. And he goes, hey Jeffrey, what do you, you really like massages? And he claims that Jeffrey went, yeah, and the right kind of massages. And that's when he decided he would never talk to him again.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  Nobody likes the right kind of massages. Those are terrible. Imagine if those were legal, just handjob massages, there'd be like no relationships.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  How many people are in terrible relationships just because they need sex? There's a lot of guys who'd be like, "I'm just gonna hang out with the boys, just get jerked off once on Wednesday, and I'm good." Howard Lutnik downplays relationship with Epstein during Senate testimony.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  Testimony, I don't know.

• 4:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh, is this it?

• 4:34Speaker 02

  Now, this is from, this is from recently, this is from this year.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  I did find an article that, I don't even know what this website is, though, I don't know if...

• 4:42Joe Rogan?

  His old firm did not, in fact, profit from the Supreme Court tariff ruling.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  It says that there was an article claiming it, and then, that's why I was trying to dig through this.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  Uh, we better edit that out, then.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  I mean, it was reported, though, that they did, but I don't know what this says.

• 4:58Joe Rogan?

  Um, says firm is run by his two sons. Elder Lutnik announced the sale of the stake in the firm and other investors Supreme Court Friday invalidated many of Trump's tariffs. The president said, "Caster did not consider the product, which has existed for years, was humming trade on Wall Street's Trump first-term tariff push, but decided against it after weighing the political sensitivities, according to a senior banker familiar with this matter. Cantor spokesman said the salesman erroneously believed the firm was likely to greenlight the business." Okay, I'm missing this. I'm not exactly sure what they're saying here. This is just the legality of tariffs they're discussing now.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  That's in an email that said that they're representing 10 million, but that's where I go. I was trying to figure out the...

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  Tariff refund rights.

• 5:47Speaker 03

  Accuracy of all this and whatnot.

• 5:48Joe Rogan?

  So what was the accusation? The accusation was that he had shorted tariffs while claiming that tariffs are going to work.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, the accusation was that he stood to make a lot of money from tariffs being struck down.

• 6:02Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you put that into perplexity, Jamie? Find out if that's accurate, and let it scour the internet instead of us doing it.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is something.

• 6:11Joe Rogan?

  I can't wait until it takes over government. It's gonna be awesome.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  It's after a while, you're like, I don't know if it could be much worse than what humans are doing with government.

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be better. It's not gonna be greedy.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Well, as long as it determines that human life is valuable, I feel like is really the uh.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  With humans. Some of them. Let's be honest. You know, some homeless guy's taking a shit on your Jaguar. Is that guy really valuable?

• 6:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but but to AI, we all might be homeless guys taking a shit.

• 6:37Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that there was these San Francisco tech guys and they got trapped in their Waymo? Because a homeless guy started attacking the Waymo and yelling at them, why are you paying robots?

• 6:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like you're a traitor, you're paying robots, you're paying the robots.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  The homeless guy was upset about this?

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  The homeless guy was attacking the Waymo. The tech guys were in the Waymo. We were terrified for our life. We feared our safety because they're they're being attacked by a crazy person who's saying you shouldn't be giving money to robots?

• 7:04Speaker 02

  That's an uncomfortable position to be in.

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• 9:35Speaker 02

  It's not the worst source of information.

• 9:37Joe Rogan?

  It's the best source. Him and that dude, what's his name? James Lee, he's our other number one source of information, conspiracy theorist.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 9:45Joe Rogan?

  But another one, a Waymo, a gal got in and there's a fucking homeless guy in the trunk. Because apparently the last person when they left their Waymo, they opened the trunk to get their luggage out and they never closed it. So the homeless guy hopped into their fucking Waymo.

• 10:04Speaker 02

  And closed it.

• 10:05Joe Rogan?

  It was in the trunk. So she orders a Waymo, she climbs in, there's a homeless guy in the trunk. And Waymo's like, that's unacceptable. Yeah, oh, you think? Oh, you think? Okay, the main claim is that Cantor Fitzgerald, Howard Lutnick's former firm, now chaired by his son, stood to profit by buying tariff refund rights that only became valuable if Trump's tariffs were overturned, but the firm insists it ultimately did not execute those trades. What critics say happened, investigators and reporter, reporting notably by Wired, described Cantor Fitzgerald exploring a business where it would buy the rights to future tariff refunds from importers for about 20 or 30 cents on the dollar.

• 10:48Joe Rogan?

  Internal materials cited in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade several hundred million dollars of these refund rights and had already facilitated at least one trade of around 10 million dollars in rights under the IEEPA tariffs. The idea was that if courts later struck down the tariffs, the government would have to refund duties and Cantor or its clients would collect the full refund while the original importers only kept a small upfront payment. So why is this seen as a conflict? Is it true? So it just said that they executed on one, right? Didn't it say that? Scroll back up.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  That was based off that email and the article we read.

• 11:25Joe Rogan?

  It says, "Internal materials cited in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade and had already facilitated at least one trade of around 10 million dollars in rights." It's only 10 million. Let it go, Dave.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  That is small potatoes for what we're talking about.

• 11:41Joe Rogan?

  For those guys, for these kind of guys. What Cantor and Lutnick's side say, Cantor Fitzgerald has publicly stated that while some salespeople explored, I like that in quotes, "brokerage tariff refund rates in 2025, the firm never executed any transactions or taken any position on tariff refund claims, calling contrary reports false. Follow-up recording has echoed that Cantor considered products tied to the Supreme Court tariff ruling, but ultimately backed off, in part because of the political optics..." Duh. Fuck, that's a big duh. "...around Lutnick's government job. Latest coverage is no public evidence that Cantor actually booked profits from this

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  strategy, though the investigations in Congress are ongoing and focused on whether there was any attempted or potential profiteer."

• 12:35Joe Rogan?

  Are you more interested in the ethics conflicts of interest here? Or the nuts and bolts of how the secondary tariff refund market works financially? No, so it seems like we don't really have evidence.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Well, it'll be interesting, I mean, if, uh, which is probably gonna happen, um, but the Democrats take the House and the Senate in the midterm elections this year, I mean, they're gonna be, that'll just be the next two years of politics will be investigations and subpoenas.

• 12:57Joe Rogan?

  Some Democrat lady just over, she just took over the seat, um, in Trump's neighborhood, where Mar-a-Lago is, so Democrat lady just won.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  Yep, yeah, well, they're gonna, yeah, I mean, look, they, in his first term, they impeached him twice for absolute bullshit, so they'll go after him for anything, but I have a feeling now, there's probably a lot more for them to investigate and work on, stuff like this, and the meme coin stuff, and, you know, whatever business deal, you know, I don't, I don't have the details at the top of my mind, but I do know that, they said, at one point, that Jared Kushner would not be involved in this administration at all, because he does so much business over there, and it's just like, so they were like, oh, no, no, no, he won't, but now he totally is, it's him and Whitkoff are like the lead negotiators in this too,

• 13:47Speaker 02

  so, so, just a lot of meat on the bone for Democrats to make big political theater out of for the next two years.

• 13:53Joe Rogan?

  Is there anywhere that's not corrupt? I mean, when we look at the insider trading in Congress, when you look at all these slimy deals that get made with NGOs, you look at every, it's like, everything's dirty, there's not one part of government, you're like, right there, they nailed it.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that is true.

• 14:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, maybe the post office.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  That's, I mean...

• 14:15Joe Rogan?

  Post office is pretty fucking good, dude.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, compared to all the rest of it, sure.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  You can get a, uh, letter moved across the whole country for like, what is it, like, 30 cents? How much is a stamp these days?

• 14:26Speaker 02

  That's true. If, I mean, I don't know if you include the cost on the back end, like, the taxes that pay for the whole thing, maybe it's a little more expensive, but relatively speaking, yeah.

• 14:35Joe Rogan?

  Relatively speaking.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  You can get, you know, something done.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  Not a bad organization.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 14:39Joe Rogan?

  In terms of government organizations, you never hear, except going postal, that used to be a thing, remember?

• 14:44Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, I do.

• 14:45Joe Rogan?

  There was a while, like where so many post officers went so crazy and started shooting people that they started calling it going postal. But it never, it just went away.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, young people, if you're listening to this and you don't know what we're talking about, in our day, we didn't have school shootings. Okay, we had to do it the old fashioned way. You had to drive a postman crazy until he went around shooting people. And it happened several times to the point that that became a thing, like these crazy postal workers.

• 15:10Joe Rogan?

  There was a video game called Postal. Where you run around shooting people. It was in the, I wanna say the nineties?

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that would be about the time period.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  The first one came out ninety seven?

• 15:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, and it was like highly criticized. They were like, weren't they like cartoon looking characters? Can you see if you pull up a video of Postal?

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  It was like, they're like South Park looking characters, just blasted people. So it felt like less, if I remember correctly, or maybe that's the box? I never played it. Maybe I played it, I don't know.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  Oh, this is new stuff.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  This is going postal? No.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Pissing everywhere.

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  This looks way better than nineteen ninety.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  This was in the nineties for sure.

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  Is this the new Postal?

• 15:49Speaker 03

  That's what it looked like. There might have been a newer version right there.

• 15:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus. You just run around jacking people?

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:57Joe Rogan?

  So it was like the first Grand Theft Auto, really?

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Kinda. I mean, Grand Theft Auto came out around then too, actually. It didn't look like this then, though.

• 16:02Joe Rogan?

  But real weird though, right? That post office workers were just killing a bunch of people. That's what it looked like. Like that. Okay. This is, this is what it looked like.

• 16:14Joe Rogan?

  It didn't look like that other thing. It was like, uh, it wasn't a first person thing. It was like you're seeing it from above and just running around killing everybody.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  I played a Postal though, that was a first person like that.

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they had more versions of it.

• 16:27Speaker 03

  Also, I don't wanna show it, cause I don't know what's, there could be some bad stuff on there.

• 16:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Nudity or anything.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Dude, video games really are like crack.

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  They're a problem.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  I loved your, you had a rant about that years ago about how like the problem is that they're so much fun and you're not accomplishing anything.

• 16:43Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  So the last video game I got into was, uh, UFC three. And I loved that game. I just loved it. And then me, like, I think it was, I got married, my wife. Got pregnant and I was like, alright, I gotta get rid of this. I just can't.

• 16:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  So I was at, um, the, the dojo of comedy. It was a club in, uh, New Jersey. Great club.

• 17:03Joe Rogan?

  They have a LA one, too.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Oh, do they?

• 17:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Sam Tripoli.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Uh, oh, yeah.

• 17:07Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to Sam.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, uh, so I was at the one in, in Jersey and they have in the green room, they have UFC three. And I was like, oh, that's the game that I got really into. So I was there for a weekend and I mean, I just, the whole time I was there, just in the green room, playing this video game. And I was like, it was like a feeling, almost like, like a drug addict who's around their drug of choice, where I was like, I need to be away from that. Like, I will play this until I kill myself. It's so much fun.

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  It's a problem.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  Robbie Lawler fighting, you know, whoever and just...

• 17:38Joe Rogan?

  And they keep getting better.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. Well, I didn't, I stopped at that, so I never even like, learned how to play the new ones.

• 17:44Joe Rogan?

  What, what number UFC game are they at now? Five, I think. Five. The graphics keep getting better. The movement keeps getting more natural.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  And first person shooters, man. Oh, my god, they're so good now.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Was it Joe, Joe Lozon, I wanna say? Was that, was the guy, 155 guy? Really good grappler? Wasn't his thing, like, he was obsessed with video games and then he went, I gotta just do something else instead of this. So, and he just did jujitsu. He's just kind of like amazing at jujitsu. I swear, I think that was his story.

• 18:14Joe Rogan?

  Is that really what happened?

• 18:15Speaker 02

  I could be misremembering this, but I swear I heard him talk about this in an interview once. And that there was just like, I just played video games all day, all night. And then eventually it was like, I gotta do something productive with this. And so he just started doing jujitsu instead.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what he's up to these days. He was a fun guy.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  He was a fun fighter to watch.

• 18:30Joe Rogan?

  Fun, fun dude, like, in person, too. Him and his brother used to beat the fuck out of each other on the yard, like, in the front yard. They would have like, full-on MMA fights, like, full power. They'd just beat the piss out of each other in the front yard. I was like, boys. Save it. Like, save, wailing on each other. It's crazy.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  That's a young man's game.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  They had like, a bunch of guys hanging around. It looked like it was a picnic or something like that. They decided, let's spice this picnic up. You and me fight, motherfucker. And they would fight. Like, fight, fight.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  But all across this country, there are boys fighting in their yard, and that was of the highest level of yard fighting. I mean, that was top 1%.

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, that was vicious.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Two, like, legit MMA professionals?

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Two legit MMA professionals were mad at each other, 'cause they're in the house with each other all the time. Shut the fuck. You didn't fucking do that. You fucking, you were supposed to put that shit away.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. That's a you ate my food.

• 19:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  They both ended up being real fun fighters to watch.

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Joe was awesome. He was a great fighter. Yeah, he had a lot of fights in the UFC, too.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 19:36Joe Rogan?

  And I think it got to, you know, um, how many years was he in? I got, I got, I want to say he was at least in the UFC for like around a decade.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  He was, yeah, he had a pretty long career.

• 19:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  Cause he was fighting, I mean, he fought, I don't know. I mean, he fought like the whole, uh, like I think when he started was like BJ Penn era of lightweight. And then he fought into like Anthony Pettis was the champion.

• 20:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but pull up Lozon's Wikipedia. Find out when he retired.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Well, at least his first fight was September 23rd, 2006. And I think it's his last fight was 2018.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Wow. That's crazy. 2019. Phew. Some of these guys just don't, they just don't want to stop. It's just too fun.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  It's a very hard, uh, job to keep going for a while.

• 20:26Joe Rogan?

  Maybe the hardest.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, like on your body.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 20:30Joe Rogan?

  Other than football. There's a lot of those guys in the NFL. They only last a couple of years.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

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• 21:12Speaker 02

  No, I mean, that's a real tough one, but there's nothing, well, I guess, I guess, like professional football, there's a similar aspect to where like you're not just, I mean, look, you can go to the hospital from basketball, you know, you can get hurt and get a bad injury, but the NFL or the UFC, you kind of like, you know. Every time you go into it, like, there's a very reasonable chance.

• 21:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  You're leaving here on a stretcher to go to the hospital. But particularly with MMA, it's the most unforgiving sport where like, you, you're one mistake. One mistake away from like, you know, like if LeBron James misses a wide open layup, he runs back on defense and tries to, you know, get a block or something on the next play. But in MMA, you could be dominating, fighting a perfect fight, make one mistake and it's like, okay, you're unconscious now.

• 22:01Joe Rogan?

  Leon Edwards, Kamaru Usman, perfect example.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 22:05Joe Rogan?

  Kamaru's way ahead in the fight. It's in the fifth round. I think there was like 20 seconds to go or something crazy. And Leon just plants one, a perfect head kick.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:15Joe Rogan?

  And it was the, and John Anick makes the perfect call, you know, like something had been said about him maybe deciding, you know, to quit. And then John Anick says, but that is not the cloth from which he was cut.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:28Joe Rogan?

  Boom, head kick knockout. It's like, come on, man, is this real?

• 22:31Speaker 02

  One of the most amazing MMA championship knockouts ever.

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, ever, ever. And then just his, his post-fight speech, "Look at me now! Look at me now!"

• 22:42Speaker 02

  And then comes back and wins the rubber match.

• 22:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Which was like, it's an interesting thing, um, how much, you know, like, well, first off, like getting knocked out cold like that, and you know better than me, but like that does a number to your body. Like, that's not.

• 22:55Joe Rogan?

  Psychologically.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Well, psychologically and also, I think physically, um, and then also just like the confidence that that gave Leon Edwards going into the next fight.

• 23:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Like, just changes everything now.

• 23:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Kamaru had to be very careful because he knew at any, I mean, he dodged most of the big ones until the big one landed.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 23:16Joe Rogan?

  So in his head, in that fight, he had a narrative. And that narrative completely changed with one head kick. So going into the next fight, the narrative is now, if you fuck up, you will be unconscious. You can't get knocked unconscious again. And he fought much more cautiously.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:30Joe Rogan?

  In the second fight.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  I remember seeing that with, um, I felt like you could watch that when Dustin Poirier fought Conor McGregor the second time. Like, you know, McGregor had knocked him out years earlier.

• 23:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  And you could kinda see, you know, like, you could see Dustin, I'm not saying like he was nervous or anything, he's like one of the greatest fighters ever. But, you could kinda just see like, he gets in there and he starts, and he takes a couple shots from Conor, and he's still there. You know, and then he lands a couple shots, and you could see like, in that first round, like his confidence growing. Like, you almost gotta get that out of your head, that it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy beat you that, back then, but you're a different guy now.

• 24:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, with Conor, it's all about weathering the initial storm.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:10Joe Rogan?

  The initial storm is crazy. He's so explosive, so fast, so accurate. And then, another part about that second fight, was Dustin setting up those calf kicks.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:21Joe Rogan?

  Specifically because both of those guys fight southpaw. And when you both fight southpaw, if you're a southpaw like Dustin, a lot of times the calf kick's not really available. Like, you have to, you have to throw it with a switch, or it doesn't have the same sort of potential.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:36Joe Rogan?

  It's a slightly different potential when you're exchanging it in combinations. But with Conor, it was wide open because Conor has two things going on. One, he's a southpaw. Also, he had just gotten off the Floyd Mayweather fight, he's very boxing heavy, not just, but a while back. But he had really concentrated on his striking with his hands. His hands were elite. So because of that, your stance is a little wider, and you're putting a little bit more weight on your legs.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:02Joe Rogan?

  And he always had a wide stance anyway, he had that karate stance. The craziest thing about that is the calf kick really didn't become a big deal, even until Conor was a superstar. Like, it was after that, that's how recent it is.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very strange that that was almost like a thing that didn't get figured out until so recently. And then just totally changed everything, like, at this point, you rare, not saying you never see it, but you pretty rarely see guys, kick guys in the thigh.

• 25:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they still do.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Anymore. Well, no, but I mean, like, compared to what it used to be, where it used to be like, that was, that was what a leg kick was.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  For many years in MMA. And now it's, I'd say, like, the majority of leg kicks are. Are targeting the calf.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Like you'll see almost like a thigh kick, almost just to switch it up a little bit. These guys got really good at taking those.

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, he got really good at being conditioned. And, you know, we also saw a few leg breaks. Right? We saw the Anderson Silva one. We saw the Chris Weidman one. There's been a few leg breaks from guys just full power. Leg kicking the thigh and then someone just lifts up their knee a little bit and takes it on the. Right where the shin bone meets the kneecap is where they like to catch it. And boy, I've seen way too many of those. I've seen a bunch in person, but because of the internet, I've seen. Dozens and dozens of small promotions where a guy throws that kick wrong really hard and the guy checks it. And his fucking foot just wraps around the leg. And you see it dangling there. You're like, oh no.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  I've seen a bunch.

• 26:31Joe Rogan?

  Recognize the thing, like that injury is so recognizable. Like I've seen it so many times now. I see it. I just go, oh, it's gonna wrap around the calf. Uh, it's gonna flop. He's gonna fall down.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  I've seen it several times on internet videos and in UFC fights. I've only once seen a guy. Continue to talk shit about the other guy after, from the ground, which is the craziest shit ever, dude. Everyone else I've seen is like crying.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  In pain. And Connor's talking about it. Your wife's like whatever.

• 26:59Joe Rogan?

  Your wife sent me DMs. Yeah, he asked me to come and sit down with him and do a podcast.

• 27:06Joe Rogan?

  He's an animal. I mean, dude's one of a kind.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  That's for sure.

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  He apparently made a post on his Instagram saying he's back. And if it's true, that would be awesome.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  That would be awesome.

• 27:18Joe Rogan?

  Idea is his suspension for whatever he took before is up. So. Yay.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  What was it? Something, uh, was someone, I think it was Douglas Murray, when he wrote that article about me, he said.

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  Mister confidence returns to save fighting again. Call your grandma, nanny, we did it. Watch and pay me. Fuck you, pay me. You fat Irish prick. You don't have my money. I put your brain to sleep. Who's that? What's that about? Who's he talking about? Uh, see is in the casinos after the Mac loves you is all. I got love for you is it's an all, it's an honor. It's light work. It's easy. For life and eternity. It's McGregor. How drunk was he when he wrote this?

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  I do this fight game, easy peasy, the sound of my shots off the head go bing in green dot laser form. Okay. Well, I really hope he is actually back.

• 28:20Joe Rogan?

  I hope it's true. It'd be fun to see him.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  It'd be a lot of fun. It'd be a lot of fun to see him again.

• 28:25Joe Rogan?

  Greatest personality the sport's ever known.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 28:27Joe Rogan?

  There's no one even close. I mean, he's the most dynamic personality the sport's ever known.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  And he was, um, for, for a time there, just such an unbelievable fighter. I mean, he was like just, it was incredible what he was doing.

• 28:41Joe Rogan?

  Danny Alvarez fight.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I was there. I was there. Well, thanks to you. Uh, with really good, really good seats, thanks to you. Uh, but that was, that was one of the best, that might be the best fight I've ever been to live because that whole card was just stacked. And that is the main event was just unbelievable.

• 28:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he was in the matrix.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  In the matrix. He was just in the zone. You know, Dana said it best. He's like, that kid eats pressure. He goes, he eats it.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  Like he thrives on pressure. Pressure that makes other people wilt.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  He like shines under that pressure.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  And he had an amazing ability, even very early in his career, which was like, kind of, it, it was really unique, like, cause even like on his first fight ever, if you watch his first fight in the UFC, um, against, uh, like Brimage, I think the guy's name is. And he was a relatively unknown at the time, but dude, the place is going nu- he already had made so much kind of like street cred for himself. And then the Irish thing, like the Irish were really, really into it. But he, from the very first fight, he would always create these moments where it's like, dude, this is going to be the biggest spectacle that you, my opponent has ever been in, in their career. Like I'm going to get you mad with shit talking. I'm going to get the fans so excited because he's completely comfortable there.

• 29:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Like, I'm not sure if you're really comfortable here, but I'm, and so it would, and even with, with Aldo, who had been the entire division. He would, literally when they started the division, they started him as champion. He didn't even win it. He came in because they dissolved the W E C. So he was the entire featherweight division, had just dominated everyone. And he even created such a moment that like, like Aldo. was like, uh.

• 30:16Joe Rogan?

  He was the boogeyman.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, he was incredible. So still is one of the greatest of all time.

• 30:21Joe Rogan?

  Featherweights of all time.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  But he got him to the point where he was like so furious. He was like, I'm gonna take this fucking guy's head off. And then Connor's just like relaxed. He's like, like, he didn't care about any of the shit talking. He was just like, yeah, we're having fun. Let's play.

• 30:34Joe Rogan?

  He lost his composure. Yeah, and he looked, he looked very overwhelmed by the moment. And, oh, and by the way. Everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for that fight. It was the nuttiest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. The entire Mandalay Bay was overcome with Irish people. I mean, overcome like you couldn't move. There was nothing but Irish people everywhere and they were singing. They were all singing together in the halls of this gigantic casino. Packed, bump, like they're waiting in line for something. And they were just there partying for Connor.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  I remember, I think it was when, I wanna say it was when.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, look at all these people.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was nuts, dude.

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  Bro, this is nuts, man. They're all Irish people, like, you gotta realize, nobody had a following like him. Like, this is actually Irish people for the Floyd Mayweather fight. They were still ride or die with him even for that fight.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  I think it was when he fought Dennis Seaver, I wanna say.

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, I think it was in Boston.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  So I went to, I went with, uh, Louis J. Gomez, my good friend, hilarious comedian. Um, and he, me and him went to some Irish bar. To what, like, we just happened to be in midtown Manhattan. We were like, oh, the fights are coming on, so they're playing it at this bar, you know? It was just like an Irish pub. And dude, I mean, it wasn't even that big of a bar. They must, I mean, it was shoulder to shoulder Irish people, losing their fucking minds. Like, it was the, it was the most fun environment to watch a fight in, cuz they're just, I mean, they're just like, but all that singing and chanting, it seemed like everyone had an Irish flag with them, like. It was this in a, in a little bar, it was this.

• 32:12Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts, man. Look at that, that's Mandalay Bay.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 32:17Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. Oh, that's MGM. Well, they were everywhere. They were probably at every fucking casino there was. This is crazy.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  Imagine, imagine if you, you're from Northern Ireland.

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, you still, still remember the troubles? You make your way to the hotel, just came to Vegas for a little gambling, you don't follow MMA. You had no fucking idea, what's this all about? Oh, you've picked the wrong fucking week for me vacation.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  By the way, I was gonna say, that Douglas Murray's big knock on me, when he wrote his op ed in the New York Post was, he goes, he goes, you know, Dave goes on Joe Rogan, and he talks about foreign policy like he's an expert, but I bet he wouldn't go in there and talk MMA with him, because then Joe would recognize he's not an expert. And I was like, we do that all the time.

• 33:11Joe Rogan?

  We do that every show.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  We do that all the time.

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  That's so stupid.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  I was like, almost every time we hang out, we end up talking MMA. And like, it probably is fair that, yeah, there'll be moments where you'll correct me if I get something wrong.

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  So what?

• 33:23Speaker 02

  But if I get it right, you don't go, you're not an expert.

• 33:26Joe Rogan?

  That's so dumb. Imagine we don't talk about MMA because you're not an expert.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  It's so silly. Well, I watch a lot of it, I have some thoughts.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  Why is he so silly? I love Douglas, I really do. I've enjoyed talking to him, I think he's a brilliant man. But I was very disappointed with, uh...

• 33:41Speaker 02

  You've never been?

• 33:42Joe Rogan?

  I'm very, very disappointed with that, that sort of strategy, that you shouldn't be talking about these things that are factual. But even more disappointed with that notion, the notion that like, you would never talk about MMA with me. Like, you think we would, I don't, first, first of all, I don't think I argue about MMA with anybody. I don't think anybody. If someone has a point about MMA, I don't, I never argue. I might say...

• 34:05Speaker 02

  You've corrected me when I've gotten things wrong.

• 34:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or I might say I disagree, like, somebody, some people think that a certain thing is gonna happen, and I'm like, ooh, I don't see that. I disagree. That happens.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but...

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Well, also, like, it's... Whatever point you're making is either a good point or it's not a good point if it's like an objective claim, you know what I mean? So like if I, if I say like, uh, you know, when, when Volkanovsky fought Lopez, his jab was crucial. Okay, that's either correct or it's incorrect. Like whether I'm an expert or not, I'm not an expert on fighting.

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  Geez, you can watch the fight and that would be correct.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Yes, right.

• 34:42Joe Rogan?

  You can see it's like, I saw he hit a homerun. You're right. You're not an expert. That's crazy.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Well, you know, it was a weird, a weird thing during that show was, um, because it's a weird, I don't know, there's like weird incentives built into like all of this.

• 34:57Joe Rogan?

  Incentives are the right word because there's a lot of people that are saying things and you go, why are you saying that?

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, also from my perspective, I was a little disappointed with it because I kind of thought, I was like, oh, this could be like a really cool thing. And, and it had been literally, which I don't think I'm saying anything that is like betraying confidence here, but the only thing that was ever said to me, I remember you called me and you were like, what do you think about doing this? And I think I said yes before you could finish answering.

• 35:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, you did.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Absolutely, let's do that. Um, and then you told me that he had said, hey, he really doesn't want this to devolve into like a food fight. He wants to make this like a good faith thing. And I was like, oh, awesome. And now I feel like he like Trump Whitkoff negotiated me, like he's, because then he came in and the whole thing was about me. He didn't want to talk about the issues at all. He just wanted, and so in a weird way, I was like, well, this sucks because I thought we could have had a really cool thing. But then there was this other part of me that was like, I mean, he's really just handing this to me. You know what I mean? Like he kind of just like gave me the win in, in a thing that was a big show with like a, you know, a lot of people I knew were going to watch it. I mean, obviously every time I do your show, a lot of people are going to watch it, but

• 36:06Speaker 02

  that was a particularly big one.

• 36:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  And so I was kind of almost like for the first 45 minutes of it, I was kind of sitting there like, oh, I can't believe he just, he went this route.

• 36:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you look at it objectively, there weren't a lot of options, right?

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:22Joe Rogan?

  It's very difficult to argue the side that what they're doing, like we were talking about Gaza in particular.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, the arguing that that's not horrific.

• 36:33Joe Rogan?

  And if you're a human being and you recognize that there are human beings that are subjected to that government, just like you're subjected to ICE, you're subjected to Homeland Security, you're subjected to the cops, if you're a civilian, you have to listen to these orders. So if you're living in Gaza and you're a child, or you're a woman, and you live in, you're not Hamas, okay? And the idea that you're responsible for October 7th, even if you're one of the people that cheered in the street, boy, don't you think you kind of have to cheer in the street if everybody else is cheering the street? If you're fucking in terror for your life, and you have to like, keep your safety intact, like you gotta

• 37:15Joe Rogan?

  kind of go along with whatever everybody else is doing. I'm not saying that's good, but when you look at how that place is leveled, I mean, the most recent videos that I've seen were still like a few months old, so I don't know if it's stopped, did they stop bombing? I don't know what's going on.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  No, they've slowed down a bit, but they haven't stopped.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay. There was nothing left, man. And that represents people's homes, that represents schools, that represents hospitals. There's no way you can argue that that's not horrific. This episode is brought to you by Simply Safe. Stuff can always be replaced, but your loved ones, a sense of security, those are priceless and often overlooked in security systems, but not with Simply Safe. In fact, they have a pretty interesting and smart approach, taking action before the worst can happen, instead of after. Their smart cameras can alert real agents to any threats, and those agents can take action immediately. That's why 6 million people already trust and use Simply Safe. It's important to protect

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• 39:41Speaker 02

  That's right, that's right. It's kind of indefensible. And so instead, you pivot to arguing against this guy rather than against the issue. Well, I think that, you know, it's in, I can't remember if this was in the letter to America or this was in his declaration of war against America. But Osama bin Laden literally said that civilians are fair targets because you guys have elections and you vote for these politicians and they're the ones who conduct these wars that slaughter innocent Muslims. So like, just saying, it's the logic of Osama bin Laden to say that civilians are responsible for... And in Gaza, like, they don't even really have a government. Hamas is not a government. They don't have regular elections.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  They had one election back in 05 or 06 or whatever it was, which Hamas did not even win majorities of. They won on pluralities, you know what I mean? And so the idea that you're holding these people responsible for Hamas just doesn't make any sense. And just on a very basic human level, you just kind of go, and I'm not like an egalitarian. I'm not saying all people are equal or all cultures are equal or anything like that. But on a very basic human level, like, those are real people too. And when a mother is like pulling her six-year-old dead body out of the rubble, that's this same exact experience as if your wife was pulling your six-year-old out of there. Like, that same thing is happening to her. And once you even just admit that...

• 41:09Speaker 02

  It does just change the calculation. It changes the calculation to be like, okay, look, the onus is on you to demonstrate that this is absolutely necessary. Like, there is no other option than to do it this way. And that makes defending most wars very difficult. Not all of them, you know, but most wars are very difficult to defend if you just run it through that filter. Of like, is there any other option other than this? Have you exhausted everything else? And then, of course, in the case with Israel and Palestine, you go, oh, you never even tried to just give them their independence? You've never tried to just let them out from this occupation and see if maybe that will improve things? And the answer is no.

• 41:49Joe Rogan?

  It is kind of crazy that the world didn't at one point in time stand up and say, there's a simple solution here. Like, these people should have a state. Like, why do you get to control them, but they're not Israeli? Like, they're a kind of a country, but not really? Because they're attached to you?

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's people-

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you guys go buy another country? And give it to them and let them have a country? Or, they don't like being attached on the same small patch of dirt to people that have a totally different ideology, I guess.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Well, that's right, and that, look, I mean, it's just-

• 42:23Joe Rogan?

  But we are.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:25Joe Rogan?

  We have Canadians right there.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Yes, but Canadians, Canadians do get citizenship in their own country, you know?

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  They get citizenship here, too. Boy, that's the last thing ICE is looking for, is fucking Canadians.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, your visa's expired, and don't worry about it, buddy. Get on the plane.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  They'd probably have a much easier time, like Canadians would go, all right, guess I gotta go.

• 42:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, also, they can just ditch the accent and pretend they're Americans, and everybody will buy it. As long as I don't say a boat wrong.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  You know, they could just say, ah, sorry, I don't have my license on me.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, okay, buddy, where are you from? I live in Iowa. Okay, sounds right.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  That does check out.

• 43:01Joe Rogan?

  Get out of here.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  All right. Shit, that does check out.

• 43:03Joe Rogan?

  Do you see the shit that's going on in the airports? So, are they using, they're using ICE now at the airports? Because, first of all, how many ICE agents are there? Aren't they busy? How do you have time to put them in all the airports? How many fucking airports are there?

• 43:16Speaker 02

  It's in the low tens of thousands. There's not that many of them.

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  Right. So, like, how many airports are there? There's a lot of airports. Okay, so you're putting ICE in the airports? Where you getting all these ICE guys? Are you hiring new ICE guys to take the airport jobs? Like, is this, like, it takes seven weeks to train them. So, did they have like a surplus of like a ICE factory where they're churning them out and putting them out there?

• 43:38Speaker 02

  I heard, so I didn't see any of them. I flew out here the other day. Uh, and I didn't see any of them, but then I did see people saying that they were at the airport I flew out from later that day.

• 43:47Joe Rogan?

  Up to 150. That's not a lot. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers were deployed at airports across the United States on Monday. So, I, of course, you know, you get on social media, somebody sends you something, and somebody sent me something, I'm not sure if it was true. But it was like, look at the difference between the lines at the airport before ICE was there and after ICE was there. And tell me that only 10 million illegal aliens got in.

• 44:16Joe Rogan?

  They're like, what is the real, we were talking about this last night, like, what's the real number? What is the real number of illegals in the United States?

• 44:24Speaker 02

  We don't know.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  You were saying something about Ann Coulter?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, she had, um, and this was from a while ago, so this was, well, she had, she had in her book, Adios America. She had, I believe it was from Bear Stearns, I could be wrong, double check me on that, was one, one of the big finance companies. That they had put a thing where like, they put it between like 30 and 50 million, um, total in the country.

• 44:46Joe Rogan?

  Geez.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  And.

• 44:48Joe Rogan?

  50 is wild.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, and this is before Joe Biden and them, now, I don't know, maybe, maybe they got those numbers wrong.

• 44:53Joe Rogan?

  This is before Biden, so what year was this book?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Uh, I wanna say 2014, 2015.

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that's 10 years.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, so a lot of them, a lot of them have come in since then.

• 45:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, at least 10 million, they believe, came in through the Biden administration, so over four years.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Well, I remember the numbers being like, during the Biden administration where they'd be like, it was something like, last month, there were 700,000 border apprehensions, and you're like, well, jeez, then how many were just floating? And you'd see those big caravans coming in and stuff, I mean, look, it's a huge, that, that still is a, a huge scandal. Um, and as much as I, uh, have really been really criticizing Trump and the Trump administration since last summer. You know, he's done a good job in securing the border. That is the one thing that like you kinda gotta give him and he got that secured like right away.

• 45:43Joe Rogan?

  Even, even if you think that it should be open and those people should be able to travel freely. They should. There's no one's illegal on stolen land, that kinda shit. You know how much sex trafficking happened during that time of children? How many children were trafficked that way? You know how many children were dragged across the border and sold to psychopaths?

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. Oh, it's horrible. I mean, I saw, um, oh, there's Ann Coulter with at least fifteen.

• 46:10Joe Rogan?

  At least fifty million illegals in the country today. See my book, Adios America, for the analysis from Pulitzer Prize winning reporters and numbers crunchers from Bear Stearns.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  I was right, it was Bear Stearns.

• 46:21Joe Rogan?

  This is twenty twenty-two, this post. Wow.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  The book is like, the book is from before, I wanna say twenty fifteen, but it's around then.

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  Is crazy. That's crazy.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Supposedly, this is the book that, uh, got Donald Trump on the immigration issue. Uh, at least I've heard, I've heard Ann Coulter say that before. Maybe that's right, maybe that's not right. But, um, but yeah, I mean, look, it's like, it's also a particularly, it's a, it's a profound, like, act of, of treachery for a government to do that to its own country. Like, to allow that and really facilitate that to happen against the will of the domestic population. Like, if you were to, I, I've tried to look this up before. I was trying to figure this out because I did a big immigration debate last year, um, or maybe the year before.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  And I was trying, you can't even get numbers on what the polling on open borders is because no one even asked the question in polling. Because it's like, they ask like, do you think immigration policy should be less restrictive or more restrictive? Because, because the number of people who support open borders, like maybe one percent of the country supports that. It's as unified an issue as anyone could have. That, no, you can't just have the border wide open.

• 47:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  And so to do that to the American people against the, like, you, you drastically change the country in a way that is not really, it's not easy to just undo. I mean, as we've seen, right, Donald Trump backed off of mass deportations almost immediately. Um, because big business doesn't want it. And then because- Look like the level of violence that you'd need to just physically deport 50 million people is gonna be something that the American people just aren't gonna put up with. I mean, you even see in Minnesota, and rightfully so, I completely understand it, but you see like, you know, I saw one thing, I saw that Trump had asked the ICE agents who were going to the airports to not wear their masks. And I was like, is that even a, that's even a, an option?

• 48:21Speaker 02

  Why would they be masked in the airport?

• 48:23Joe Rogan?

  Because they're ICE agents, because they can get doxxed.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  Well, that's their concern. And look, I understand that.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  It's a real concern.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  I understand that concern.

• 48:28Joe Rogan?

  It's organized.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  But at the same time, you know, there is a balancing act there, and you know, a lot of people, like a lot of right-wingers will say, "Hey, look, if you're, you know, if you came here illegally, then that's a crime. You're here illegally. That's the law." And hey, I get that argument. But also, the supreme law of the land is the Constitution of the United States of America. And I've seen a ton of videos where there were masked ICE agents, not even identifying themselves, going up to people, telling them that you have to answer my questions, you don't have an option to walk away, which is like, not true at all.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was my take on it, is that you can't accept people that are masked, that don't have any paperwork, that don't have a warrant, on the streets, in militarized situations. Because if they're using it for this, which you agree to, that opens up the door for them to use it because you won't take your vaccine, or because you did this, or did that, or whatever the fuck it is. If a different person gets in power, maybe they're gonna use it for something you don't support. It's just not something you're supposed to accept.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  That's right. You don't want to accept that precedent.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Here's something that someone told me, that is, uh, this is a very credible source, that I cannot reveal what the source is. But they told me that there are people in this country, and not just a few, but many, many, that are affiliated with terrorist organizations, directly affiliated, but they've applied for asylum. And because they've applied for asylum, you can't deport them, until they go through the entire process.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  That is wild.

• 49:57Joe Rogan?

  That is wild. So there's people that are known, at least terrorist sympathizers, they're in direct communication with terrorist networks, they've done things with terrorist networks, and they've applied for asylum. So you have to go through this long-ass process, through the legal system, and it's up to a judge whether or not this person, who may or may not- Be a part of a fucking sleeper cell gets to stay in America.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Suicidal empathy. That's what Gad Saad calls it.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  You know.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  And I think he's right.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  I think he's got a fair point there with suicidal empathy, uh, in terms of the idea of like that we that we cannot say on some level that it's like, no, look, we have a desire to preserve our society. And we, we want to do what's bad. And we don't have to, out of some feeling of guilt, turn our country into something worse than what it otherwise would be. So I think he's got a point there. I think, and look, and I'm not a big fan of Gad. He, uh, literally just, him and like Sam Harris and a few others, they literally just trash me all the time and refuse to engage on a single thing I've said. So like, it'll just be.

• 51:07Joe Rogan?

  Gad doesn't engage with you?

• 51:09Speaker 02

  He calls me Wikipedia Dave.

• 51:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  On Twitter. And it's a, well, look.

• 51:13Joe Rogan?

  I like the guy.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Look, I got.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  I have a different relationship with him than you do.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Well, that's true. And I'm a big critic of Israel and he's a Mossad agent. So there is that. That is part of.

• 51:21Joe Rogan?

  You think he is?

• 51:22Speaker 02

  He's admitted that he worked for Mossad.

• 51:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. In the past?

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. He's, I guess he would say he's not currently.

• 51:27Joe Rogan?

  Like, I used to.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, sure.

• 51:29Joe Rogan?

  I used to work for Newport Creamery. I don't represent them anymore.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  I think it's a little bit different with the Mossad thing. But I also think that the, the big component that I think all of those guys are, are missing is that we also create more enemies with our foreign policy. And that, that's not to say that, like, you know, they always kind of caricature my position on this. Like, I'm not saying Islam is all peaceful and there are no problems in the Islamic world or anything like that. In fact, I don't think any religion is truly always been peaceful. Um, but, you know, for guys like, say like Sam Harris, um, who these kind of like pretend intellectuals who have spent, he spent his entire career

• 52:13Speaker 02

  talking about how violent and irrational the Muslims are and how you can't even draw a cartoon of Muhammad or Muslims will want to do violent stuff. And like, hey, fair enough. That's bullshit. And we should all say like, if you want to be over here in the West, our values are free speech and you cannot kill people for cartoons. But then like, none of them ever also go, hey. You know murdering an Ayatollah might be dangerous.

• 52:41Joe Rogan?

  During Ramadan.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, like that is, you know, that is not just a political figure to Shiite Muslims. That is a so at the same time, it's like, okay, I'm fine with saying, okay, you don't want to have suicidal empathy. My, uh, my, my buddy Keith Knight, who's brilliant, uh, works over at the Libertarian Institute. He had, I forget what he said, but he, he said something like, okay, I don't want to have suicidal empathy. Let's also not have homicidal empathy, you know? And so like, maybe it also is like, as we were tying into that whole conversation with, no, I'm okay. Thanks. With the whole thing about the, the kids and women in Gaza. It's like, it's also the fact that if you just view slaughtering Muslim children

• 53:25Speaker 02

  in the Middle East and in Northern Africa as like, just an acceptable political price, you know? That's just collateral damage and unfortunately that happens when we pursue this policy. You're going to deal with more and more of that. And the combination of both, Joe, like the combination of having open borders, having all these people get in and continuing the war on terrorism and slaughtering people in these numbers must be the most insane combination.

• 53:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Ever. The idea that you'd be like, we're gonna, uh, you know, we're gonna just make an entire generation of, of Muslims hate us. Because so many of them have seen what we've done to their countries. And also we'll welcome all of them in with no checks and we can't get rid of them when they come here.

• 54:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:06Speaker 02

  That is quite a combination.

• 54:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's all nuts. It's, uh, the Sam Harris thing, um, I should clarify this because he's apparently talked about me again recently on Bill Maher. We didn't not talk because it was his idea. It was me. I, he wanted to do a podcast with me. He wanted to do a, a co, like a COVID, you know, wrap up, like to, you know, go over everything that happened, all the mistakes that were made and his position, my position. Cause that's where we kind of like separated. It was, he was very pro vaccine. I said, I won't do that until you talk to Brett Weinstein. That you need to talk to Brett.

• 54:50Joe Rogan?

  Like Brett, you disparaged him publicly. I think you said things that weren't correct. You called him a conspiracy theorist. And you said you wouldn't platform him because it's dangerous. I don't believe that's true. I believe the problem is that Sam was incorrect about both the effectiveness and the safety of the COVID vaccines. Brett was correct. And Brett didn't insult Sam. Sam insulted Brett. I mean Brett said things about Sam since, but it was Sam. And I said, look, you gotta talk to him first. You can't just talk to me. You know, especially because he's an actual evolutionary biologist. Like, he understands these things. He knows what he's talking about.

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  He's had multiple conversations with high level vaccinologists and all these different people that worked on the mRNA vaccines. Like, he was correct. We all know that now. We know that all the things that he was talking about, whether it's masking doesn't work, social distancing, the

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Lockdowns didn't work at all.

• 55:53Joe Rogan?

  Lockdowns, all the above, all the above. He didn't want to talk to Brett. And I said, that doesn't make sense to me. Like, you talk to everybody. You have debates with Muslims on stage.

• 56:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 56:03Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't make any sense. Like, why wouldn't you talk to Brett? I don't think he wanted to talk to Brett because I don't, I think he didn't want to talk to Brett because Brett's right.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:12Joe Rogan?

  I think it's, and I think it's indefensible.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  No, I completely agree. I mean, you know, I had a

• 56:16Joe Rogan?

  By the way, I don't hate Sam. You know, he could say all the crazy shit he wants. He also said, like, I don't think you should interview Gaddafi. Guess what? I would. If Gaddafi was alive, 100% I would interview Gaddafi. Gaddafi, did you ever hear Russell Crowe talk about Gaddafi?

• 56:31Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  He did a clip that went viral that was on this show where he talked about why they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:38Joe Rogan?

  And like, well, they talked about how evil Gaddafi was and how he subjugated his people. You can see if you can find that, Russell Crowe on Gaddafi. He wanted to create a United States of Africa.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  He wanted to get him on the gold standard. He wanted to get him off the US dollar. He like, he had some very dangerous ideas.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Now, he also supported Palestinian resistance.

• 57:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was it.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  There's no sound thing in there? Oh, there it is. Here it is.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  We are taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a certain way.

• 57:17Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Okay? But if you look into what happened in his country while he was the leader, you look into the fact that every person is given a house at a certain age. You look at the fact that everybody's education and healthcare is free. You look at if somebody showed a particular talent for something that required further education overseas, all of the costs of that were paid for by the government. Now, these are all things put in place by the same country's leader that we're told is evil and corrupt.

• 57:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  So it doesn't quite balance.

• 57:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's also US government interference. That's a, that's a, that is one that we definitely monkeyed with. I mean, he ran afoul of the United States government.

• 58:09Speaker 04

  We are taught, for example...

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was the, um, the famous clip with Hillary. I showed a friend of mine the other day that he hadn't seen it and he couldn't believe it was real. Well, she was on this show and she gets unconfirmed information first that they got Gaddafi, and then she gets confirmed that he's dead. And she goes, "We came, we saw, he died." Ha, ha, ha, ha.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  She was so excited about it.

• 58:32Joe Rogan?

  But laughing. And then that led to Libya, at least for a while, becoming a failed state.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  Oh, it still is.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 58:40Speaker 02

  It still is, this whole time, man. It's been a disaster.

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• 59:40Speaker 02

  Um, and there's, and you know, the thing is that they called that Hillary's war. Uh, she really, she was the Secretary of State at the time under Barack Obama, but she's really the one who championed that. And I believe Obama wrote in his book that he was 50 50 and that Hillary really pushed him to that. And he said, his big regret was that he didn't think about what came next after Gaddafi. Because somehow we haven't learned that lesson yet. Like after Iraq, you'd never thought of that.

• 1:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Um, but, but thank God Trump's figured it out.

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that's the, yeah, Trump's figured it out. We'll go in this drastic new direction of getting the seventh war that they wanted.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Don't be a pussy, Dave. Jesus Christ. Did you see that one, I don't know what military expert was on television who said something about, we need, I'm a fan of boots on the ground, like Rome. Like, hey fucker, Rome didn't have nuclear weapons and drones. Rome didn't have drones that hunt you.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  What are we talking about, boots on the ground? Should we fight with swords? Should we get everybody to fight with swords? Is that what you're saying? The fuck are you saying?

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Well, also like what? What even is the plan with boots on the ground? Like, what are you talking about here? You're gonna, you're gonna take an island? It goes, okay, well then you're gonna be a target, you're gonna be target practice as long as the Iranian regime is still standing. And if you're talking about militarily occupying the country, like we did with Iraq or Afghanistan or something like that. This is a huge country with 92 million people. How many, how many soldiers do you think you need to occupy that country? At least, at least half a million and probably you can't do it with that. So what are you talking about here? And so you're saying, what, are we gonna start a draft for the least popular war going in in American history? Cause I don't think that's happening.

• 1:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is maybe.

• 1:01:20Joe Rogan?

  Slightly more popular than Vietnam.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Uh, going in, it's less. I'm sure Vietnam by the end was very, very unpopular.

• 1:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, Viet- Vietnam going in didn't make any sense, did it? There was, I guess, the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Um, most people in America were like, why are we doing this? What's going on? You're drafting people to go to Vietnam? We're fighting communism in Vietnam?

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  Well, they called, uh, they called it Vietnam Syndrome that the American people had, which is that we didn't want to fight a war again after that. Was that, that's, from their perspective, that's a syndrome. Um, and, uh, there's, it's really something. They think, they think, by the way, Ben Shapiro used this same, uh, line called, he said, Trump finally broke Iraq war syndrome. Because they think, see, from Ben Shapiro's perspective, the illness is after you lie the American people into a war and slaughter a million people. The illness isn't that. That, you might look at that as the bad part, but the bad part is that the, um, these annoying Americans have this tendency to not want to do that again. After that. Um, but he claims Trump has broken Iraq war syndrome.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Of course, there's really no evidence with support of the American people that, that has changed at all. And, you know, the George H. W. Bush, uh, was said to have defeated Vietnam War Syndrome, uh, in Panama and in Iraq. Because they were relatively easy.

• 1:02:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  You know, bloodless on the American side, or rel- or very, very limited, uh, you know, injuries and deaths. Um, and, and they, you know, they weren't like quagmires that went on forever, or whatever. But, of course, after the Persian Gulf War in, in 92, we went on to be bombing Iraq for, ever since, essentially. You know, I mean, for 30 straight years after that. We were still at war with that country.

• 1:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Think for a million people being dead.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:17Joe Rogan?

  What is public support? Let's put that into our sponsor perplexity. What is current public support for the Iran war in America? And first of all, how would they know? No one's asked me. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  That's a fair point.

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  That's what I always say about, about polls. When was the last time you answered a poll? When was the last time anybody called you up and said, Dave, Matt? First of all, when was the last time you ever picked up the phone if you didn't know who was calling? And then when you do answer, when was the last time you said yes to a poll?

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't even remember ever getting called.

• 1:03:46Joe Rogan?

  It has to be the dumbest of dumb people that answer those polls. So then you gotta realize, out of those stupid fucking idiots, even, how many of them think the war's a good idea?

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  It's even unpopular amongst them.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what does it say here? Most recent national polls show Americans overall oppose the current war with Iran and think US military action has gone too far. A Quinnipiac poll finds 54%, what is Quinnipiac? Quinnipiac? Poll finds 54% of US voters oppose US military action against Iran and 39% support it. I wonder how many of those 39% are Jews?

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  Well, not too much. We don't have the numbers.

• 1:04:30Joe Rogan?

  A poll reports about 6 in, right, what is the number of Jewish people in America?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  2%? Something like that?

• 1:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Uh, 6 in 10 adults say US military action against Iran has gone too far. Only about a quarter say it's been about right. 25%. First of all, you know, whenever you're talking about these kind of things, it's like, who, again, who, who are we talking about? Who, who was asked? Finds Republicans largely support the military action, around 86% support. Whoa.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's-

• 1:05:04Joe Rogan?

  Really? Cause I talked to a lot of Republicans that thinks it's a terrible idea. While large majorities of Democrats, around 92%, and independents, about 64% oppose it. 92%? Who are the 8% of Democrats that are like, let's fucking go? You think maybe they're Jew?

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  They work for CNN, they, you know, whatever.

• 1:05:24Joe Rogan?

  CNN thinks it's a good idea? No.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  Dude, CNN is running cover for Donald Trump during this time.

• 1:05:31Joe Rogan?

  For real?

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:32Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, they put up a poll the other day, they had a graphic that said 100% of MAGA supports the war in, uh, in Iran. There's, it's like-

• 1:05:40Joe Rogan?

  CNN said that?

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  After all these years-

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Say he liked it or something like that.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, but hold on a second.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  CNN likes me.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Is that running cover or is that making them look bad? Because most of- Americans don't support the war and most Democrats, ninety-two percent, don't support the war. So if that's the case, wouldn't that just make it look like these MAGA people are a fucking problem?

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  I, I, I guess.

• 1:06:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, MAGA GOP view of Trump. Can I hear how he says it? Or would it be a problem?

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay. That seems bonkers. It seems bonkers. Approve, one hundred percent. How many people did you ask? Two? Two guys with MAGA hats on in the party.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  The way they say this, right? So they don't just say GOP voters. They say MAGA GOP voters. And so what they're doing here is that they're filtering who they consider to be MAGA. And who they can see to consider to be MAGA are the people who still say they support Donald Trump. But almost, like, one hundred percent of the people who don't support this war stopped supporting Donald Trump over it.

• 1:06:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, but look at this little thing on the bottom that they don't show you. Sixty-six percent, thirty-one percent split amongst non-MAGA.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  But is that non-MAGA Republicans? Is that what you're saying?

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  No, I think that's non-MAGA Americans, I believe.

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  How, like, the, the whole MAGA thing, it's like, how did, we're so fractioned as it is.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, this whole idea of, of right versus left as it is, and now you've got a MAGA section of the right?

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  It's all just ridiculous, dude. But it's a way to describe it as anything other than what it is. Which is the most unpopular war in American history going into it. And for good reason. Look, dude, he didn't even bother to, like, sell us on a propaganda campaign about it. He, it was like the laziest, like, just lie, just lie us into it.

• 1:07:22Joe Rogan?

  Let's put on a fucking firm tinfoil hat right now. Let's, let's get a double-layer Reynolds Wrap, fucking crease the edges, fold it down.

• 1:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Why would he want to do this? Why would he want to, look. I am not denying that the regime of Iran is a giant problem. I'm certainly not denying that if I was Israel, I would not want them there. They hate you, they're trying to get a nuclear weapon, they're right there. I get the Israel position. I totally understand how they're so just vehemently in defense of their homeland. Like, they're surrounded by people that hate them. They're the one Jewish country. Everyone else is, is a Muslim. They all want a caliphate. They all want to kill him. It's been going on forever. They think it's in God's word that they have it. It's a lot of craziness. I get it.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Why now? Like, why now? Like, what? Does that make any sense?

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Well, um, Trump himself has said, which literally this would be like considered an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory if anyone else had said it, but Donald Trump has openly talked about many times how the Adelsons give him all this money and they come by every day and all they have is another demand on behalf of Israel. Um, Donald Trump also, very early in his political career, uh, got in trouble with the Israel lobby and then immediately pivoted to, uh, blaming, to winning their favor back over by saying he would tear up the JCPOA, the Iran deal that Obama got us into. And it looks to me, you know, there's speculation aside, who knows exactly what control they

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  have over the guy, but it looks to me that after Venezuela and when there were these big, uh, street protests and riots against the regime in Iran there, that they convinced Trump, and this is what Joe Kent, his director of, of, uh, counterterrorism has said too, that they essentially convinced him that this would be the time you could do it swiftly, surgically remove the regime and the people would rise up, uh, and, and overthrow it. And that, this is what Donald Trump said when he launched this war. He said, "This is a regime change and I'm calling on the great people of Iran to rise up." And they did. They rose up, uh, by at least the hundreds of thousands. They were out in, in Tehran in defense of the regime chanting "Death to America."

• 1:09:51Speaker 02

  Because it turns out, when you kill 165 little girls, that doesn't make a country go, "We love you. Thank you for that."

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, but before the bombing, there were people in the streets that were protesting.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:10:05Joe Rogan?

  And people were killed because of that. A lot. That's the other thing is that, that regime is like, they, they clamp down and they do it with public figures. They killed a very prominent wrestler from Iran.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Really, two of them. They killed one a few years back. The UFC tried to step in and somehow they're stop it, but he was also one that was accused of protesting.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  Well, he, listen, I don't know about this most recent one. I'm not saying this is true at all. I don't trust any governments, but he was, they claimed he killed a few cops. That's what the Iranian regime said he was being hung for. Now, I don't know.

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  The wrestler?

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, the wrestler. He was, he was convicted of that, whatever that means, in a, in a mullah-run court, you know? So I'm not saying that's right at all, but I will say this, right? The Donald Trump, when he, when he launched this war, and there's been a whole lot of just false claims that have been made, but he said specifically that they killed 32,000 protesters. There has not been a shred of evidence presented to back up this claim. Now, I'm not saying it's not true. I, I'm not putting it past this government that they would do that, and they've acknowledged that a lot of people have died. I think they, I think, the last I had seen was that, I know, they were saying, the, the government of Iran

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  was before the Ayatollah was killed, they were saying it was something like 3,000 people had died, and then the CIA-

• 1:11:29Joe Rogan?

  But when you say died, doesn't mean they killed the protestors?

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Well, that's unclear. That's, that's not what they are claiming, but then the CIA, at least there was a piece in the Washington, excuse me, in the Wall Street Journal, where they had said, and this was like a week and a half into it, that they estimated like six and a half thousand or something like that, but this is a huge question, right? And, and it's not clear at all. Like, were they lining people up and just executing them for the crime of protesting?

• 1:11:52Joe Rogan?

  They hung the wrestler.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  They hung the wrestler, but I'm saying the, the people who have been killed here.

• 1:11:56Joe Rogan?

  Iran protest death toll could top 30,000, according to local, local health officials, and this is from Time Magazine. As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on January 8th and 9th alone, two senior officials of the country's Ministry of Health told Time, indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll. So many people were slaughtered by Iranian security services that Thursday and Friday it overwhelmed the state's capacity to dispose of the dead. Stocks of body bags were exhausted, the officials said, and, and 18-wheel semi-trailers replaced ambulances.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  Now, listen, all I'm saying here, man, is that you gotta be, I've just seen this movie play out a lot of times. You gotta be really careful about these accusations that are made in the run-up to a war. They're basically saying, we have a source who told us this.

• 1:12:45Joe Rogan?

  What year was this? I mean, excuse me, what date was this? January 25th.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  So the protests started in late December and then in in January, this is.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

  Time was unable to independently verify these figures.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  That's right. Listen, the the claim being made here, right, is that it look in this bit, they said in two days, in two days, 30,000 people were were killed. If that is true, that is up there with one of the biggest massacres in human history. The biggest massacres during World War II were like around that.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  It says, as of Saturday, US-based human rights activist news agency had confirmed 5,459 deaths and is investigating 17,000 more.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Um, so that's at least close. So we're in the neighborhood, we're in the twenties, just if what they're investigating turns out to be accurate.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  If that's if that's the case, but we're talking also here, Joe, about like NED-funded US-based NGOs who are really around hawks, you know?

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Good point.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  And so and I'm just saying, like, look, the the claim, the claim here is that around, you know, I saw a bunch of the the Zionists online when this was first coming out back in January, they were like, oh, my God, they've already killed half as many people as died in Gaza in just a couple of days. And you're like, right, that's a pretty, that's a hell of a claim, right? I mean, like, if you, just from following wars all these years, if you started carpet bombing Tehran, Vietnam-style carpet bombing Tehran, after two days, that's the type of death toll you'd be looking at.

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• 1:15:16Speaker 00

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• 1:15:44Joe Rogan?

  Internet access to the rest of the world.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  Well, they shut down the internet during that period. But there were pictures that came out. All I'm saying is that if you had numbers like that, you would expect there to be some evidence that you could point to. And there's like one picture where they've pointed to like a couple dozen body bags and been like, "See? Look at this." But, look, maybe it's true, maybe it's not. I'm very skeptical of these claims when they're made right before we launch a war. But I think the other point is that, at least according, then there has been some evidence of this, right? There were police stations that were burned, there were mosques that were attacked. These were not just peaceful protests. I'm not saying they don't have a right to violently rise up and overthrow their government, whatever. But all the hawks in the West were saying, "These people are trying to overthrow their government."

• 1:16:30Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, in the past, our agencies, our intelligence agencies, have engaged in the various practices where we have conscripted certain people to go and light things on fire and blow things up and create these events to accelerate.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  Front page of the Jerusalem Post, they were bragging that there was Mossad within the protests. So, now, look, I don't know, but also, the thing is this, right? If you are trying to overthrow a government, a government will kill you for doing that. And that's true about every government, including our own. Including our own. If armed protesters went to try to overthrow Barack Obama's government, he would kill those people if they were actually a threat to do that.

• 1:17:14Joe Rogan?

  Ashley Babbitt was murdered, not January 6th?

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  And every single left-winger in the country went, "Well, that's okay. It was an insurrection." And by the way, every single right-winger in this country, when this pretty guy got killed, were like, "Well, he was interfering." Oh, I saw it. But by the way, the pretty thing was the most textbook example of a bad shooting. There's just no defending it. They had disarmed the guy, he's down, there's six of them, they panic, they put six bullets in him.

• 1:17:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you know what happened, though? Do you know the whole story of the gun?

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  Uh, the gun being removed?

• 1:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, do you know the whole story about the gun?

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  No, oh, what?

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  The gun is a Sig P320.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  A Sig P320 is notorious for accidental discharges.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:17:54Joe Rogan?

  There is a video of the cop removing the gun, walking off.

• 1:17:58Speaker 02

  Yes, I saw that.

• 1:17:58Joe Rogan?

  And the gun goes off.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Is that, and that, is that his gun for sure?

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  Cause I thought that hadn't been determined whether or not. I heard people speculating about that.

• 1:18:06Joe Rogan?

  I've watched the video multiple times and I've watched other people's analysis of it. Obviously, I'm no expert, but I do know something about guns. And that gun in particular, it's been demonstrated online that it will go off. There's a cop inside of a precinct, he bends over, not touching his gun, gun in the holster, and it goes off. There's a guy, there's a video of a guy on a range and an act, a gun just goes off. And he goes, whose fucking gun was that? And the range master goes, is that a Sig? And he goes, yeah, he goes, get that fucking gun off of my range.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:18:40Joe Rogan?

  Because it's a P320. So, so what? Sig, but I should be real clear, Sig makes a bunch of guns that are awesome, like the P365 is like one of the best carry guns in the world. There's a lot of guns they make that don't have this issue. But that particular gun that Preddy had with one in the chamber, this fucking knuckleheads walking around with one in the chamber.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  Absolutely, it's, and, and all for, I'm just saying, the only point I'm making is that it's clearly, it was a fuck up. I'm not saying like they wanted to execute the guy. I'm just saying like, they had the gun taken from them, they didn't communicate that to each other, they freaked out, they, but literally all it took was seeing one video 11 days earlier where he kicked the back of a cop car.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:19:17Speaker 02

  And for every right winger to go, yeah, whatever dude, got what you deserve. So my, all my point is about this, looking at this in the Iranian regime, it's just not clear. Like, what are you actually accusing them of? Are you saying that somebody was trying to overthrow the government and the government mowed them down? Are you saying that they lined up protesters and shot them all in the back of the head simply for voicing their opinion? Like, none of this is made clear, but when the war drums are beating, no one even cares to like ask these questions. It's just like, yep, they killed their own people. And then if you notice with this war, much like with Venezuela, and almost like with all of them, they just keep. Giving you like they throw like 15 justifications at it, you know, and you're like, which one is the reason we're fighting this?

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Cause I've I saw that all of them like to play the humanitarian card and go, we're doing this to, you know, for these oppressed people. We want them to rise up. They've been living under this brutal regime. And you're like, okay, two things like number one, that is simply just not how you US foreign policy works. We don't fight wars on humanitarian grounds. You know what I mean? Like we're partners with some of the most brutal authoritarians in the world. And we've and in the case of like Israel, we've been funding their destruction of Gaza for the last two and a half years. Like it's and and so like, that's not really what's motivating this here. And then number two, Donald Trump, even just the other day said he'll be partners with the new Ayatollah and run the Strait of Hormuz together. He's backed off.

• 1:20:42Joe Rogan?

  Say that?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's backed off of regime change.

• 1:20:45Joe Rogan?

  Or there's the idea that. Talking to him, is someone talking to him like who who's he talking to? Do they know who they're talking to? Cause it's not like they're meeting in person.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  Said.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  Some guys on the phone, I am free to negotiate.

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  Dude, he's he said, Donald Trump himself said the other day that um, that he goes negotiate, we're negotiating. Negotiations are going great. And they go, who are you negotiating with? And he goes, a person we believe to be in charge. And then they said, so is this the new supreme leader? And he said, no, no, no one's heard from that guy. We don't know where he is.

• 1:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Some hacker in his basement in Belarus and.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 1:21:24Joe Rogan?

  Talking with an Iranian accent and he's got them convinced.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  Well, it's just.

• 1:21:29Joe Rogan?

  I have the authority to negotiate. Uh, let's be partners. Let's be for wire 1 million Bitcoin to this address.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  Well, everything I'm seeing publicly reported today is that Iran is like, no, we're not in these negotiations. We've made our terms clear and their terms, what they're asking for is something that Donald Trump is not going to be able to give them.

• 1:21:54Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  Uh, their their their demands were uh, that we we stop attacking immediately. Like that part they might get, that we pay them restitution for all the damage so far. That essentially that we leave the region. I mean, they had a few other things there that were just like.

• 1:22:15Joe Rogan?

  And they want they want them to open up a Terry blacks in Tehran.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  This one was really important to us.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Terry Black's barbecue, we don't have a good barbecue here. It's, it doesn't seem like, if he's not really negotiating with this guy, if it's like, that's not true, and he's just like putting this out there in the public as like a negotiation ploy.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  What a clusterfuck, because you're dealing with people that don't mind dying. They believe, I mean, these are very religious people. They're fanatical. They believe they're going to go to heaven. They believe they're martyrs and they're fighting for Allah. This is, this is the just and holy war.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  Well, they've also been, well, that's right, and they've been preparing for this for a long time. You know, and they, like, there's, you know, people make a lot out of the chants that the Iranians, you know, they chant "Death to America."

• 1:23:11Joe Rogan?

  What do you got there, Jimmy?

• 1:23:20Speaker 05

  Be jointly controlled.

• 1:23:23Speaker 05

  Maybe me, maybe me. Me and the Ayatollah, whoever the Ayatollah is, whoever the next Ayatollah, look. And there'll also be a form of a, a very serious form of a regime change. Now, in all fairness, everybody's been killed from the regime. There's automatically a regime change, but we're dealing with some people that I find to be very reasonable, very solid.

• 1:23:51Speaker 05

  The people within know who they are, they're very respected, and maybe one of them will be exactly what we're looking for. Look at Venezuela, how well that's working out.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  I mean, dude, this is such a fucking mess. This is such a mess, dude. I mean, this is just too ridiculous, dude. And the, you know, the thing is that a lot of people, you know, I've spent a long time at this point being against this war. Because this war has been telegraphed since, you know, the Bush administration wanted to do this shit. And, um, at least for like 15 years, I've been publicly opposing this war. And one of the reasons why so many of us oppose this, and it's a shitty way to be vindicated, but is that... Look, Iran is just not like any of the other opponents in the global war on terrorism. It's a, it's a different beast entirely. And you've seen this already, only three weeks in, we never dealt with any of this with any of

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  the other countries, you know what I mean? We had what the Pentagon calls escalation dominance in all of those other wars, which is all essentially like, it's just like, meaning like, if you do this, we do this, if you do that, like, we're prepared for everything. It's kind of like escalation dominance is a lot like, you know, like in jujitsu, where you see really high-level guys who basically put you in a position where you can make one of two choices in either way. You know, like, okay, you can, you can give me your back and I'll choke you, or you can push off me and I'll armbar you. And you, you know, like, whatever option you have, I'm gonna get you. We don't have that with Iran. And Pentagon's been open about this since at least 2007. And the, the fact is that, as we're already seeing, they can target ships in the Strait of Hormuz, they can target our assets, our bases, our embassies in the region, they can

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  target our allies, and this is a big problem. And so, like, it seems like Donald Trump got into this thinking it would be like Venezuela, it would be quick and bloodless and easy and he could claim victory. Now that it's not gone that way, it seems like he's kind of scrambling for what the, what the off-ramp is here. Yeah. Now, at least I give Donald Trump, as angry as I am with him, like, at least it is true that he's looking for an off-ramp, it seems like. And he did this with the 12-day war, right? Like, he, he started the war, he saw an off-ramp, and he, and he took, he took it. The problem here really is that this war changed the calculation from the Iranian perspective, and that much is clear so far.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  You know, the, after 9/11, all the countries in the Middle East and North Africa, all the ones where, essentially, they all waved the white flag, all of them. Saddam Hussein welcomed UN inspectors in, he was trying to do anything he could to not meet the fate that he ultimately met. Gaddafi denuclearized, got rid of chemical weapons, Bashar al-Assad got rid of all his chemical weapons, like, they were all just like, we don't want it with you, you know? And Iran was very much the same way. They, they got into the JCPOA, they allowed... Allowed an inspections regime in to come look at their their nuclear facilities, all of that. And even up to the 12 day war, when we we dropped the bunker buster as in Israel bombed a whole bunch of regime targets, they still, in their response, called ahead, made sure

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  there'd be no US troops there, they they hit the side of a little base there, and then they kind of went like, they gave Trump an off ramp. Because they didn't want it, you know, they didn't want it, they don't want to die like Muammar Gaddafi, they don't want to, you know, have their country destroyed. So for self-preservation reasons, they showed restraint. The calculation this time, clearly already, from the Iranians, was that, we can't do that again. We we have to give you a bloody nose and a black eye. We have to make this cost as much as possible for you, otherwise, you guys will just be back here in another five months, doing it again. And they're they're probably right about that.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  They're probably right.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  And so now, we're in this situation where we're already in a in a quagmire, it's already like, over a dozen Americans have died, I think a couple hundred wounded at this point. Israel isn't giving real numbers on what's going on there, but there's some pretty substantial damage, and definitely some Israelis have died, and I'm sure thousands of Iranians have have died at this point. It's cost, I mean, Pete Heggs has just asked for $200 billion. I don't know if it'll get up to cost in that much, but this thing is certainly already in the tens of billions, if you consider munition, military movements, and and then just the damage to embassies and bases and stuff like that. I mean, this thing is already a disaster.

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  And so now, it's not like Venezuela, where Donald Trump could just stop and declare victory, and and even say like, look how great it's working out. Now, is Venezuela really working out that great? I don't know, that's, you know, we took one guy away, the regime's still in place, the people haven't been liberated, but whatever, he can claim that. This now, the problem here is that, okay, number one, Donald Trump's not really in a situation where if he just quit right now, how's he really gonna say, look how wonderful this is? It's like, I don't know, dude, this cost a lot already, and it doesn't seem like there's any clear, like, what did we get out of this?

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, the only way it would work is if there was some sort of a deal with whoever the fuck is gonna be the new guy in charge, and they did come to some sort of an agreement, and they did give them some compensation for all the shit we blew up.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  Yes, well, that, right.

• 1:29:07Joe Rogan?

  So they'll just print some more money for that.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:29:09Joe Rogan?

  And inflation will go up.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  But look, here's the thing, is that, it's not just Donald Trump. There's two other participants in this war, um, two other entities in this war. There's Iran and there's Israel. Okay? Now, is Iran gonna accept that? Maybe, but look just like the 12-day war. Look at the position you're in now. We're relying on the moles. You know what I mean? Like, it's that that is not an ideal situation to be in. And then the other factor is that there's Israel, who also gets a say in this, for some reason, because we allow them to. And Netanyahu, just the other day, was very clear about this. This is a regime change. And he even said, "It will require ground forces." And he said, "He's not sure who those ground forces will be yet." And so, now, this happens.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  If you, do you remember the moment during the 12-day war, when it was the closest Trump ever came to, like, flipping out on Israel? And he said, "They don't know what the fuck they're doing."

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  It was, but he said, "Israel and Iran don't know what the fuck they're doing." Because Donald Trump, so after he drops the bunker busters, he goes, "That's it. We're, you know what I mean? We're taking the off-ramp." And then he said, "I want to work out a ceasefire now." And then, after he said that, Israel just started lighting up regime targets, just bombing the crap out of them. And they weren't bombing nuclear facilities. They were just bombing, like, government buildings. And they've been doing a bunch of that in this war as well, bombing local police departments, things like that, just creating chaos. Because what they want is what they've been getting in the rest of the war on terrorism. They're, they, they are quite happy with a Libya model, or a Syria model.

• 1:30:46Joe Rogan?

  They just don't want anyone that's organized as a threat to Israel.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  They don't, it's, it's all about Iran's support for Hezbollah.

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  Is that they want southern Lebanon, which they just, Katz, their defense minister, just announced that they're gonna occupy.

• 1:30:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's crazy, right? They just announced they're gonna be occupying another country.

• 1:31:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. That's what it's about, man. And, and, look, I mean, it's not, again, this isn't like a conspiracy theory. The guys all tell you this in their own words. Benjamin Netanyahu was asked, point-blank, a few months back, what he thought of the Greater Israel Project. And he said, "It's very near and dear to my heart." Like, this is the point of denying the Palestinians a state for all these years. You can't let the Palestinians have a state, because then how are you gonna take that all over someday? That's all supposed to be part of Israel. And the US ambassador, the US ambassador, not the Israeli ambassador, the US ambassador to Israel, is on record saying that God promised Iraq to Benjamin Netanyahu.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  That God promised Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the West Bank and parts of Syria and all of this is greater Israel. That is it. By the way, Sam Harris, where are you at on that? Where are the new atheists when you could finally use them for something? Hey, that's pretty crazy. Is that how we do politics? We work on this ridiculous religious superstition that somehow when God said Israel in Genesis, he was referring to the state that was created that they named after that passage? This would literally be on the level, Joe, is if I named my son Jesus Christ and then I told you, you have to worship my son. Look, it's right there in your Bible.

• 1:32:24Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:32:25Speaker 02

  No, you named it after that, dude. That doesn't count.

• 1:32:28Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. And they took the spot where it was.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, like.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  They took over and they did it in a horrific way, like the Napka.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  You listen to some of those soldiers, the translation of some of those soldiers talking about what they did and even laughing about what they did.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  Some of them even smiling.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  In 1948?

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it's not, it wasn't in 1848. You know what I mean? Like, these guys were alive, maybe not so many of them now, but like 20, 30 years ago, you could put a video camera in front of one of these guys and ask them to tell their story.

• 1:32:55Joe Rogan?

  Right. It was like 78 years ago. Wasn't that long ago?

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. That's right. And so, you know, look, I mean, the idea here that America, after just 25 years of catastrophic failures, launching wars of choice, wars of aggression, lying the American people into it, just slaughtering millions of people and like bankrupting this country and really severely degrading the country with these wars. The idea that we would jump into another war of choice for Israel is just too, like, this is too crazy, man. And especially when it's the administration that really ran on

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  and promised that we want to get out of this, out of this game of fighting stupid wars in the Middle East.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

  That was what we were all supporting. That was the one thing that he was saying that was so promising to so many people that were independent, that were on the fence. Like, this guy wants no wars. All right. He wants closing the border, which.

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• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Nothing's a great idea. He wants no wars. That enough? Let's go.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, especially considering the fact that, well, like, even if there are some things about Donald Trump that maybe you don't like, but the other guys are saying we want to keep fighting forever wars, and this guy is saying we should stop doing that, that's enough to go, well, then he's better than you on net. And, don't get me wrong, I mean, I endorse Donald Trump in 24. You know, people give me shit for this. Some people like that, some people give me shit for it. But I do, I kind of view it like this, like, and I really, I will say, maybe I'm a little biased here, because I love you, but I don't think I'm being biased. I really think you played an enormous role in, in kind of like, standing up to the progressive

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  democratic establishment and their narrative over the last, you know, decade or so. And it's really hard to kind of overstate how crazy they were, how much of a threat to this country they were. And for anybody who wants to give shit to anyone who voted for Donald Trump, it's like, hey, man, the alternative was the party who bragged about, first off, in-

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  Saying woke shit like poisoning the minds of children in a really grotesque and abusive way. They gave us open borders flooding the country with people. They gave us all types of covid tyranny based on pseudoscience. They gave us the most reckless foreign policy in American history, which was this proxy war on Russia's border. And they were running, they were pretending the president wasn't senile when he clearly was. Then they in the fourth quarter threw up a cackling retard who was not democratically picked in any process. And so, sorry, like it, it does make sense that a lot of people went, okay, we're gonna go back with, with this other guy.

• 1:36:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  Also, there was an interesting dynamic happening in 24 where, okay, this wasn't, you know, Donald Trump. They had actually tried to throw him in jail, maybe even tried to murder him. We never really got any answers on that one. Um, he now had Bobby Kennedy with them. He now had Tulsi Gabbard with him. He now had, oh, you know what I mean? Even J D Vance, like a lot of these people who were supposedly much more non-interventionist. There was reason to hope that maybe it wouldn't end up here. But anyway, I guess my thing is that you played such a huge role in this. And I, to a lesser extent, played a role in standing up against a lot of that progressive insanity over the last 10 years. And I just feel like after 24, you know, this coalition came together where Donald Trump, for the first time ever, wins the popular vote,

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  wins every single swing state and really more remarkably, won the youth and the culture. Like Donald Trump went from being like the cultural pariah to being the guy like John Jones is doing the, the dance at the front. And it was just, it was, and that whole coalition has been destroyed over this war. And now he's gonna hand the country right back over to these Democrats who we've been fighting so hard. All for what? All for a war that Netanyahu wanted against a country that, dude, by the way, the justification for the 12 day war was bullshit. They weren't trying to make nuclear weapons. They were trying to negotiate.

• 1:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Out of that.

• 1:38:05Speaker 02

  Yes, well, that's right. But then all, and, and I want to, you know, he said some nice things about me when he was on here the other day with you. So I will say some nice things about Konstantin Kucin, who I, despite our disagreements, I really like that guy a lot. But he is, I could be wrong, I could be missing someone. He's the only guy I've seen. Who supported the 12 day war, but is really skeptical about this. And I've seen so many people, it's unbelievable dude, like they, they just, so like the 12 day war comes for the first 48 hours of it. They're like, dude, Israel's doing this on its own. All they want is for you to stay out of it. Then like the third day, they're like, alright, they do need some help shooting down the missiles that are coming back toward them, but whatever. This is just defensive. You know what I mean? Like you don't have to get involved.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Then it's like the next day like, alright, we don't, we don't have bunker busters, so we do need you to drop the bunker busters. But then their whole, uh, um, like defense of the 12 day war was like, look, no Americans died. It didn't cost us a lot. It didn't turn into this disaster. And now we're at the, okay, well, fine. All of that happened, but it's still a good thing. Constance was the one guy I saw who was like, no, I supported that one, but I am not getting on board with this one. And I give him a lot of credit for that. I give him a lot of credit for that.

• 1:39:17Joe Rogan?

  I like that guy a lot. I like him a lot. I like Francis a lot too.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  I do too.

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Their show Trigonometry is one of the best shows. Agree with them or not agree with them. They're always reasonable. They're never ideologically driven. They have opinions that you may or may not agree with, but they're real clear about their opinions and why they believe what they believe.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. And I, I will say like-

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  And they're great guys.

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, genuinely good dudes.

• 1:39:38Joe Rogan?

  Great guys.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  I really liked, uh, you know, I get in a lot of, uh, like the shit show, like arguments. I find myself in them. I probably should be better than them and just not engage, but I, I'm not and I'm petty.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean by shit show?

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Like where it just becomes like an insult thing or, you know, I debated Alex Barron's or it's just kind, it's kind of embarrassing in hindsight, but like, I don't know. It gets me really angry when the guy's calling me a Holocaust denier or something like that. I think that's crazy.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  What he was saying was kind of silly. The way he was saying it was silly and he was just trying to play gotcha with you.

• 1:40:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  And then you called him a faggot.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not my finest moment.

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  You can tell he was really shaken by that. I don't think he expected that.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  I kind of have a thing where like, look, I'm really into this shit and I nerd out on it and I'm obsessed with all of this for whatever reason. It's just like my calling in life. Um, but I'm also stand up comic at heart, you know? And so like, as soon as someone goes like, oh, I want to be vicious. You're like, oh, you want to be vicious? Cause like, I'm pretty good at being vicious. So like, I could do that and you're probably not used to hearing this type of vicious shit that like comics say to each other.

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:38Speaker 02

  Um, but one of the things that I really appreciated about Francis and Constance was when I went to do their show. It was just like- It was genuinely a good faith conversation. They weren't trying, they weren't trying to like win the point or, or get a clip that they could go, we destroyed Dave and then, once they do that, I'm like, okay, well then I'm not trying to do that either, man. Like, let's talk about this shit. That's, that's always what I'd rather do.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  Um, but, the thing that's, I guess the thing that's really interesting about this moment is that because the kind of corporate media propaganda apparatus has been completely destroyed and because the internet and social media and podcasts are where people go now for, for, you know, conversations and debates and news and all this stuff.

• 1:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  They're kinda like, they're like, they're running without a propaganda apparatus. You know, like, Israel, just, I- Israel in the last two and a half years is down like 50 points in the polls. Like, in terms of American approval. Like, they've just been, this, it's a drastic change, like, I've never seen on any issue.

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  What's the first time in our lifetimes where it's been an issue that we are dealing with the consequences of the relationship?

• 1:41:49Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:41:49Joe Rogan?

  There's never been a time in the past where people were completely aware of, oh, there's no other reason why we'd be going into Iran. Like, most people, most people don't think.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  100%.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't for Israel asking us to, Netanyahu's consistent visits to the White House, multiple.

• 1:42:05Speaker 02

  Oh, you can't even, you can't even, uh, pretend otherwise. I mean, people can.

• 1:42:09Joe Rogan?

  But people do.

• 1:42:10Speaker 02

  Yes, well, they try to, but people.

• 1:42:11Joe Rogan?

  Coleman Hughes just got in a debate with Glenn Greenwald about it.

• 1:42:14Speaker 02

  I saw that they did it. I have not had a chance to watch it.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  Somebody sent it to me and it was, you know, I'm, I'm being a good boy when it comes to social media. It's been so good for my brain.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of remarkable. So, uh, I got a new.

• 1:42:27Speaker 02

  Just staying off, you mean?

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my new phone, I'm not gonna put anything on it. I'm gonna have my old phone and leave it at home and I'm not going to be able to look at it. So when I have to post things, I gotta post it on my other phone that's not gonna be with me. I'm not doing that anymore. Because I just think, eventually, ultimately, it rots your brain. But, you do get some cool debates and some insight into what's going on and I don't know what Coleman's argument was.

• 1:42:54Joe Rogan?

  But Glenn and Coleman were arguing about Israel's influence on this.

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  Well, I'll be very interested to watch that. I do respect Coleman despite disagreeing with him very adamantly on this stuff.

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Very smart guy.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  Very smart guy, no question about it.

• 1:43:06Joe Rogan?

  And a very nice guy, too.

• 1:43:07Speaker 02

  And, uh, um, and, and look, I, one of the things I really respect about him is when I did his show, he literally starts it by going, he goes, you know, almost all these debates I see you in, like, you're kind of debating issues and then people just debate your character. And he goes, I'm not doing that at all. I want to talk about the issues the whole time.

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  No, he doesn't do that at all.

• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  And I do, I just genuinely appreciate that.

• 1:43:26Joe Rogan?

  No, I agree with him or disagree with him. He's a super reasonable guy and a very nice guy. I like him a lot. I like him a lot. Whether I'd agree with him or disagree with him, he's a wonderful person.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  I, thi- this, agreed. This, this is what I will say about, um, his position on this, which I, I think is, is kind of interesting. So, number one, um, when I was on Piers Morgan with him, well, right after Venezuela happened, and he was, his position, I don't want to mischaracterize it, but I think this is pretty accurate, was he was like, look, a lot of people are comparing Venezuela to Iraq or Libya or Syria, but like, that is a different region, a different culture, a different religion, and so really, what we should be comparing this to is other interventions in, in Latin America, in South America. And I, you know, I didn't completely agree with that. I was like, actually,

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  I think there are some lessons you could learn from other wars that we've been in that might apply here, but I was like, okay, fair enough. Hey, let's look at other interventions in Central and South America, because we've got a long list of really disastrous ones. Like, if you want to look at Guatemala or Nicaragua, or, you know, Cuba, Mexico, a whole bunch. Um, but then, when this war in Iran starts, I don't see him going the equal opposite of that, going, hey, now that we're at war with Iran, we have to judge this by Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and Syria, because, you know what I'm saying? Like, that would be the flip side to the other position. And so I don't see that. The other thing is that, when he's arguing with me about, uh, because I was arguing that, you know,

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  that is, the Israel lobby and the Israeli government were a huge part of why we fought the war in Iraq. And his big point that he stuck to, a lot of the hawks stick to this, is that Ariel Sharon was actually, who was the sitting prime minister at the time, he was actually against the war in Iraq. Now, that's not exactly true. He wanted George W. Bush to invade Iran first, not Iraq. And then when he got assurances that Iran would be next, he got on board. You could go look at Sharon's speech. He gave a speech, I think it was in August of 2002 to the Knesset. And it's all about how Iraq is the biggest threat. They have weapons of mass destruction. But the Mossad was cranking out all types of BS intelligence about the nuclear weapons that he could detonate in 15 minutes or whatever. It was all nonsense.

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  But if you're gonna say that that is evidence that Israel was not pushing us into this because the sitting prime minister at the time didn't like this war. Okay, but again, then how does the current sitting prime minister of Israel feel about this war in Iran? Because he's fighting it with us. And he said after it started that this is the culmination of his entire life's work. He has been trying to lie our government into this war for my entire lifetime. Coming here, he testified how many times?

• 1:46:13Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the one where he testified with the cartoon of a bomb?

• 1:46:16Speaker 02

  At the UN.

• 1:46:17Joe Rogan?

  Cartoon, a bomb cartoon with the percentages of the enriched uranium.

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  And like a Daffy Duck bomb, not like the bomb that'll blow your beak around to the other.

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  A bowling ball with a fuse.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  And it was, he was already up real high. He was already up real high. No, dude, he was on record saying that Iran was three to five years away from getting a nuclear weapon in the 90s.

• 1:46:37Joe Rogan?

  In the 90s, yeah.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just, he's just been lying through his teeth. And there is something, look, man, there's something really profoundly dishonorable about trying to lie another country into war. Like not even trying to sell the war to your own people and have your own military do it, but because you can't.

• 1:46:56Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, there we are. We were up to 90%.

• 1:47:00Joe Rogan?

  First stage. No, it was first stage we were at. He was saying they've hit the first stage.

• 1:47:05Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, oh, excuse me. Okay, yeah, you're right. I guess this is, we can't, we can't go any further.

• 1:47:09Joe Rogan?

  Look at mom.

• 1:47:10Speaker 02

  It's just so ridiculous. And he knows, he knows he's lying.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  He's like your friend that like you've been friends with since high school and every time you go out, he gets you in a fight.

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  You're like, dude, don't do this. Like, those guys over there are a fucking problem. Let's go over there and fuck them up. And like, you know, all your buddies are like, dude, this guy again?

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  Did I use that exact analogy when I debated, uh, Josh Hammer?

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, did you?

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  At Princeton University. And, um, or maybe it was in the Charlie Kirk. It was one of the times I debated him. But I used that exact analogy. He was like, is Israel an ally? And I was like, no. It's like, they're not a good friend.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  If your friend's getting you in a bar fight every night, that, stop hanging out with that guy.

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Tim Dillon did an ad for Neurogum and Neuro Mints on his podcast where he's like, "I have a friend, uh, let's just call her Erica." And he does this Erica Kirk ad. He doesn't say it's Erica Kirk for Neurogum. Have you heard of Jamie? I think so. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's so funny. Oh, my God. It's, it's so crazy. He's so out of his, I fucking love him so much. I'm so happy Tim Dillon's in the world.

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  He is the-

• 1:48:19Joe Rogan?

  He's the best. If you're not listening to his podcast and you want a rational but hilarious take on all the fucking madness that's going on with not just this war, but the Epstein files. His episode, The Epstein Files, I hardly ever tweet about other people's podcasts, but I, I hardly ever tweet. But I posted it. I'm like, this is one of the best podcasts about anything ever.

• 1:48:40Speaker 02

  His ability, Tim's ability to like rant, it like-

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Impressive.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  It like, a hilarious rant that is laced with excellent points, but it's just hilarious the whole time. And just him going off is second to none.

• 1:48:54Joe Rogan?

  And he's sober. He just puts on his magic glasses.

• 1:48:57Speaker 02

  It's him and Fuentes are the top two.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, but he buries Fuentes. Fuentes is really good. Fuentes has-

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  Tim, Tim can do something different than anybody else can do.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, his ability to blend sarcasm and just celebration of chaos.

• 1:49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's second to none.

• 1:49:16Joe Rogan?

  He's the best ranter that's ever walked the face of the planet.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  I remember when I first met Tim in New York, back before he moved out to LA after that. But when I first met him in New York, and he was, I think, like, he was a green stand-up. I think he hadn't been doing it for that long. But I remember just like being on podcasts with him, and just being like, yo, this dude is going to be a fucking superstar. Like, it was just like, his ranting, like, ability, like, he would go off on things where you just find yourself like, like, you almost have a moment where you forget you're on the show with him.

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  You're like, I'm just sitting here watching, and then I'm like, oh shit, I'm here too. I better say something. But like, he's just unbelievable.

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Listen to this ad.

• 1:50:02Speaker 05

  I don't even know if I should tell this, but it does show how effective neuroments can be. A friend of mine, let's call her Erica.

• 1:50:12Speaker 05

  She, she's had a wild life, this woman. She was in Romania, she had an orphanage, she was on a reality show, married this famous guy. She was an intelligence asset. And I said to her, how do you do this? And she says, Tim, it's neuros, energy and focus mints. And I says, but how do you do it after the guy, the husband and father of the kids gets murdered? And you're out there doing all kinds of stuff. You're doing fundraisers and you're dancing around with glitter pants. How did this happen? She goes, I could lie to you, but I'm telling you, it's neuros, energy and focus mints. I said, really? She goes, sure.

• 1:50:58Speaker 05

  I said, how are you running this organization seven hours after this guy got popped?

• 1:51:05Speaker 05

  She goes, a lot of people speculate. But it's neuro's energy and focus, Mintz. I go, really? She said, yeah, neuro energy and focus is powered by natural green tea caffeine, L-phenanine for calm, focus, and vitamin B12 and B6.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  I mean, whatever they're paying him, they should pay him more.

• 1:51:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not enough. No one can pay him enough. He's the GOAT.

• 1:51:29Speaker 02

  Well, that'll also just make you remember that product forever.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. No, he's the greatest of all time.

• 1:51:35Speaker 03

  It might be.

• 1:51:36Joe Rogan?

  I'm trying to figure out how to turn our racetrack sign on all the way. Is it broken? God damn, we need a new one. I'll get ahold of Bobby. Uh, he's the GOAT, dude. He's, uh, he, I had someone in the White House come up to me and go, is Tim Dillon really gay? I go, yeah, he's really gay. Like, you think he would fake that?

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  He goes, how long have you known him? I go, I've known him forever. He's really gay.

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, he will, he's a, he's a real good undercover, but every now and then you see it come out. Every now and then you see like, uh, like I remember, and this back when he was young and, and he was broke at the time, but Tim was always kind of a snob, even when he was, like, it was always kind of, and I went, uh, I forget what it was, but I was like, I was like, oh, we could get food from this restaurant. And he goes, from there? I go, yeah, they got good food. And he goes, you think that's good food? Because he's like a real, like, foodie or whatever.

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:28Speaker 02

  And there was just like, oh, I saw it for a second there.

• 1:52:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, he used to have money, because he had money when he was selling.

• 1:52:32Speaker 02

  He had money in finance, then he decided to be.

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  Some prime mortgages and he was a part of the housing crisis.

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  And he was doing cocaine back then.

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  He, he did topple the US economy for a while.

• 1:52:43Joe Rogan?

  He was part of it.

• 1:52:43Speaker 02

  But then he got into comedy. He more than made up for it. He's more than made up for that.

• 1:52:47Joe Rogan?

  This is where he belongs.

• 1:52:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  He belongs in front of that screen with the glasses on, just going on these insane rants.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  He's so funny, man.

• 1:52:56Speaker 02

  And look.

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  Epstein files take was fucking genius.

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  That was great. Dude, his thing about, uh, Sam Harris having a meditation app and also supporting genocide is like the most hilarious thing ever. Like, what human being does both of those?

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  Such a great take on that. Oh, he's so funny, man. Yeah, we're lucky, dude. We're, we're, we're, we're part of a really cool group of people right now. You know, it's a very unusual time that the mainstream has lost all of its power of influence on people. It still puts out information, it still puts out shows, but they're

• 1:53:34Speaker 02

  Trying to look like you.

• 1:53:35Joe Rogan?

  But they're funk

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  That Jake Tapper thing was so crazy. I was like, what are you doing? Are you doing a podcast now?

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Dude, it's, it's such a perfect, like, little microcosm, though, of like, it's almost painful. Like, I'm like, guys, just, can you hire me? I mean, like, I, I would explain this to you. No, it wouldn't work either, because they're so trained. There's, it's like, if you get a dog, and that dog has been, maybe a, yeah, a cat might be a better example. If you've never had a litter box in the house and the cat's been pissing all over the carpet, you are always gonna have that cat piss on the carpet. That's what that cat does. You're not gonna fix him. If your entire life, you've been spitting out nonsense from a teleprompter, and now all of a sudden you have to be yourself, you've been functioning in a world of executives and producers, where everybody goes over every little thing you say and do.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  You 100% read things you know aren't true, or at least partially aren't true.

• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  They had mics for, like, everything.

• 1:54:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, their, their whole setup is they're all trying to look like podcasters.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  No, wait a minute, they put mics out like podcasters? That's crazy. Imagine if they think that's all it takes.

• 1:54:45Speaker 02

  But, well, this is, but, but Joe, talk about completely missing the point, right? It's just fundamentally missing it. Is that they go, they actually go, okay. So, all of these people have left, you know, watching cable news in, in droves. And now they, a lot of people listen to podcasts. They'll listen to you, or Theo Von, or whoever it might be. And the, a huge reason, right, why people, a huge reason why you've been number one for so long now, is because, however anyone feels about you, you're authentic. And it's very hard to deny that. You know, one, one of the biggest questions I get when people, like, meet me, if I do, like, meet and greet after shows or something, it's, what's Joe Rogan like? Is a question I get all the time, because we're buddies and I've been on the show a lot, a lot of times,

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  and, you know, people are, love you. And they'll go, what's Joe Rogan like? And I always tell them the same thing. I go, you already know. You know, like, you already know who he is. He's that guy. And then, offstage, he's that guy. You know what I mean? Like, that's who he is. And people like that. People like that, whatever you think about Theo Von, he's telling, he's authentic.

• 1:55:47Joe Rogan?

  That's who he is.

• 1:55:48Speaker 02

  He's being himself. That's who he is.

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's why it works.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  And because you guys in the corporate media are all professional liars, and have lied to the American people about the last seventeen crises, you know, they don't trust you anymore. And so then their reaction to that is you go, "Well, what if we pretended to be podcasters?" You're like, "No, you dummy! That's the whole thing! This is just proving further how inauthentic you are."

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they have fucking meetings on this?

• 1:56:14Speaker 02

  100%, 100% they do. Dude, they all, this was to me, despite the fact that I, you know, and people can give me shit about voting for Donald Trump, and they could say, "I should have known better," and whatever. I was a huge critic of him in his first term, and I'm a huge critic of him in his second term. But the best thing about Donald Trump winning in '24, and I did predict this right, I'm not always the best with predictions. I'm pretty good on issues, I think, but I'm not great at predictions. They're tough. But, the best thing about Donald Trump winning was that the corporate media finally admitted it. They were, they had been pretending for so long. I remember, we used to joke about, I remember coming on like a few years ago, and we would joke about how Brian Stelter would always, whenever he talked about you, he would always kind of go like, "The fringe Joe Rogan."

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  Like, as if he's the mainstream, and you're the fringe. As if the numbers aren't readily available to all of us, that we could be like, "Your show has like 200,000 listening, and his has 20 million." So how is he the fringe, and you're the mainstream?

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  I think they thought that, though.

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  Maybe they believed it, but that '24, the election, that's when they all admitted it. And then the talking point moved to, "We need to find our own Joe Rogan." "The Democrats need to find a Joe Rogan," or whatever. Remember, that was like, so they kind of admitted that, "Oh, the podcasts have become the new mainstream, and we're the fringe."

• 1:57:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the dumb part of that statement was, "You already had me, you fucking idiots. You just lost your mind." "I'm not right, and I'm not left."

• 1:57:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:38Joe Rogan?

  I think both of them suck. And I think the adherence to the ideologies that the left supports, or the right supports, is out of their fuck, you gotta be out of your fucking mind, whether it's these- Crackpot Christian nationalists that think that this whole war is a way to get Jesus to return on a white horse.

• 1:57:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you see those guys that were talking, yeah, during the readiness fucking meeting? That, I think that's nuts too. I think the woke shit and all the chaos of the fucking last four years of having a completely open border and the justifications of all these things, that's nuts too. I'm not on either buddy's side, anyone's side.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  But I think that-

• 1:58:12Joe Rogan?

  The Democrats aren't ever gonna get someone like me because I'm not with either or. I'm not with either or. I'm with whoever fucking makes sense and no one makes sense. Until AI comes along. And I think they're gonna do a really good job. President perplexity is gonna run this country fairly and balanced.

• 1:58:28Speaker 02

  Man, I'm willing to try it at this point, dude.

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm fucking, I'm dead serious, man. As long as it doesn't like do something to harm people, as long as like that's, it's goal, it's goal is just to manage society.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  It's a big if that you got there, but yes, if we can get that.

• 1:58:44Joe Rogan?

  Enjoying the hive, Dave.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  But what you just said, I think is really-

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  Open the pot door, Hal.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  Well, this is something that I'm encouraged by, is that I think what you just said there, I really do believe that you speak for super majorities of the American people. And that's why even though Donald Trump has shattered his coalition by lying us into this stupid war on behalf of a foreign country, that coalition is still ripe for someone else to pick it up and run with it. And that's kinda what I'm hoping. I hope Thomas Massey runs for president. I think, by the way, they're doing a big money bomb for Thomas Massey on March 30th. And I think him winning reelection in Congress is like the most important political election in the country right now. Because he's done nothing wrong except actually stand up for America first and for all the stuff that Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and all these people ran on.

• 1:59:29Speaker 02

  And he's gotten the, the Israel lobby and the Adelsons, but I repeat myself, have been pouring millions of dollars into his race to try to unseat him for the crime of not going along with the Epstein coverup and not going along with another stupid war and having some like fiscal sanity. So I hope, I hope he wins.

• 1:59:47Joe Rogan?

  Imagine those being three negatives. Imagine those being three negatives that people are saying he's not MAGA.

• 1:59:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, well then, okay.

• 1:59:54Joe Rogan?

  What is MAGA then?

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  Well, if that's like, I don't know, like, my position is always like, if you're saying, if, if not supporting covering up the Epstein files, or not supporting a stupid war of choice, a war of aggression on behalf of Israel means I'm not MAGA, then okay, I'm not MAGA. I don't, I'm not attached to the, the, you know, the phrase, "Make America Great Again," I don't care.

• 2:00:16Joe Rogan?

  But if that phrase sucks, here's the thing. Like, first of all, America is great. Make America greater, I'm down. But "Make America Great Again," and then it becomes a movement of a bunch of fucking dorks? Because a lot of them are dorks, a lot of them, these really weird, fucking, uninteresting, unintelligent people that have got something they cling to, and there's a lot of people that are just real, genuine patriots. And they're all lumped into this one group, and you gotta accept the dorks too? Fuck that. Like, the concept of making America great is a great idea. But as soon as you have a fucking team, and you allow anybody to join up, you, you don't even have tryouts for your team? So you've got a bunch of fucking dipshits that are running around spouting out opinions,

• 2:01:01Joe Rogan?

  and you have to go along with them because they're MAGA? And then you've got bots online that are probably from fucking Indonesia, or Russia, or wherever, and they're pretending they're MAGA, and they're saying crazy shit? So that's a part of MAGA too? You fucked up by becoming a part of a group.

• 2:01:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  Whether it's a Republican group, a Democrat group, a MAGA group, a fucking woke group, whatever it is, you fucked up by being in a group.

• 2:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, what is, George Carlin said, "People are great as individuals."

• 2:01:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:31Speaker 02

  But when they get in a group, man, they're the worst things in the world. And that's why, that's why it should be about the, like, the issues. It should be about your principles and what you believe in, and that's, and, and you should be like, look, like, I've said, uh, many nice things about Tulsi Gabbard over the years, and I was extremely critical of her over, since last summer into now, because I think she's lying us into a war, which is the war that she was always opposed to, the one. The one, she sold no war with Iran t-shirts. Um, she, like, this was-

• 2:02:01Joe Rogan?

  How is she lying us into this war?

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  So, la- well-

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Because that's a big statement.

• 2:02:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Uh, so, and it's, it's true. So, last summer, so Tulsi Gabbard had given her the, as the Director of National Intelligence does every year, they give their annual threat assessment, and she testified before Congress about it. And she, it was very clear in her annual threat assessment that Iran was not attempting to build nuclear weapons, that they had not yet made the political decision to attempt to build nuclear weapons-

• 2:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:30Speaker 02

  Let alone, like, are actually going for it. And, um, and she testified before Congress saying the same thing. And then, after negoti- while they were negotiating, Israel sneak attacks them, then she had some post where she goes, "Iran could be weeks or months away from nuclear weapons," which was like, was total bullshit. It made absolutely no sense at all.

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Let me see what the post says.

• 2:02:52Speaker 02

  Sure. This is from, if you could find it, this is from last, it must have been last June.

• 2:02:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, but is that a fact? So, if they're enriching uranium up to 60%, and they just have to enrich it further for the ability to use it in nuclear weapons, that is a couple of weeks away.

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  No, but not, not before it would be, to build a bomb and to make it deliverable, I think all the experts say at least a couple of years. But the point, aside from that, is that at the time, and this is over now, but at the time, Iran was still members of the JCPOA. They were still in it. So, it's like-

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  Th- this is the Iran deal that Obama, uh, got us into. Obama is horrible on foreign policy. He's the butcherer of Libya and Syria and Yemen, and he surged in Afghanistan hard. But in Iran, he made a deal with them. And the deal, but it wasn't just with the US and Iran. It also involved, uh, Russia and, uh, France and, and England, and there were other countries involved in it too. And the, the JCPOA said that, uh, Iran couldn't enrich above, I think it was 3 to 5%, or something like that, and they were staying in it. And they, it created a new inspections regime, which Iran, so they were having full inspections, they weren't enrich- but the deal also said that if America gets out of the deal, they can enrich up to higher. So, when America got out of the deal, they started enriching.

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  And when did America get out of the deal?

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  Donald Trump- ...it up in his first term, I want to say 2017 or 2018.

• 2:04:14Joe Rogan?

  And then they immediately started enriching?

• 2:04:15Speaker 02

  No, they went up a little bit, and then I think there were a couple Israeli attacks, and then they went up to enriching at 60%. But so, the reason we knew they were enriching up to 60% is because they were still members of the JCPOA with an inspections regime who was going in there and saying they're enriching up to 60%.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, but how much do you actually know about enriching uranium and what it takes to turn into a bomb? Let's, let's read what she says. New intelligence confirm what POTUS has stated numerous times. Iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed.

• 2:04:42Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I think this is after. This isn't the right one. This is, her tweet was before.

• 2:04:46Joe Rogan?

  This is from June.

• 2:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, this would have been just shortly before this.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  Very recently.

• 2:04:50Speaker 02

  But her tweet was before we hit 4-0.

• 2:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is June 25th. There's a recent one, though. Oh, edited, June 25th. Yeah, but it seems like it was still edited the day it was posted.

• 2:05:04Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  But can you go to her page? And, because she doesn't tweet a lot. She's not a psycho.

• 2:05:10Joe Rogan?

  She's not one of those. If she tweets, it's generally something important, or someone from our team is... So, is this the... Hold on. What is above that? Overwhelmingly elected by the... Click on that, show more. I think that's it.

• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  Well, this is what she testified to Congress this time. I, I was referring to a different one from that. But I also think this is a, a lie. I mean, for her to say that the president determines what is an imminent threat or is not, no, either there is an imminent threat or there is not one. That, this is like saying the president determines the weather or something like that.

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, but, but you're taking her words out of context. She's saying something that's factually correct. As our commander in chief, he is responsible for determining what is and is not an imminent threat. That is true. And whether or not to take action, he deems necessary to protect the safety and security of our troops, the American people, and our country. That's just an actual fact.

• 2:06:06Speaker 02

  Okay, yes, fair enough. But, when she testified before Congress, they asked her like, they asked her point-blank a bunch of times about this, and then she goes, "That's not my job to determine what's an imminent threat. That's the job of the president, and if he says it is, then it is."

• 2:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so, look at this here. Initially, she's contradicting Trump, saying that Iran did not rebuild after the 2025 strikes. Contradicting Trump. So, this is also from Time Magazine. So she's saying that. Now, what you're saying that she said earlier was a lie is not a lie, dude. Because that is actually his...

• 2:06:39Speaker 02

  Well, I wasn't referring to that.

• 2:06:41Joe Rogan?

  I understand. But you did say that was a lie. What she said was a lie.

• 2:06:44Speaker 02

  Okay, fair enough. That was not a lie. But it was, but it is, it's avoiding...

• 2:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Actually correct. And if you're in a position like she's in, where you've got that guy breathing down your neck, and you're forced to make a statement, you've got to tread very carefully on this tight rope that you're walking.

• 2:07:01Speaker 02

  Okay, fine. But let's just say hypothetically, that you know for a fact that Iran did not pose an imminent threat. And then that's your answer when you're asked if they did. Fine. It's not a lie. But it is very misleading, to say the least.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  How much, okay, hold on. Intel Chief Gabbard declines to say if Iran posed an imminent threat to the US. She declined to say on her own, personally. This is the congressional testimony.

• 2:07:28Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes. I think this is what I was referring to here. And she does at one point say that it's not her job to make that determination, which I do think is her entire job.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting.

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  Look, maybe, maybe I'm being a little harsh by saying lying in that example. And fair enough to your point there. Like, that technically is a true statement. I do think it's very misleading, and I do think that she really was the one who advocated against this specific war for the reasons that we're seeing unfold right now. And I do think, I get your point. It's a very tough tight rope to walk. The options are essentially, I think, to do what Joe Kent did and resign, or to stay on and support the thing. I mean, I think it's kind of hard to thread that needle.

• 2:08:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. Do you think that there is any value in being one of the few reasonable voices that has his ear? If ultimately it is his responsibility to determine what's an imminent threat and what is not, I would imagine that she gets access to most of the same classified information that he does as the Director of National Intelligence. I don't know, though. I don't know how it works. But... What can she do other than try to be a voice of reason if ultimately this guy is gonna do what he wants to do, right? And he's gonna do it also what Israel wants to do, clearly.

• 2:08:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:08:45Joe Rogan?

  And he's talked about it, you know? And also in his first term, I'll never forget this fucking conversation that he had with Steve Hilton. Cause I think it was one of the first times since Eisenhower. I've seen a president say, and Steve Hilton, by the way, I've been friends with him for 12 or 13 years. Met him and his family in Maui on the beach when my daughter's really young and his kids are really young, they became friends. We've hung out together, vacation together. He's a sweetheart of a guy. I love that guy. And when he was interviewing Trump, Trump said that there is a military industrial complex and these guys wanna go to war.

• 2:09:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  And we were like, what? This is cra- you're just saying that? Like, you're just saying that? It's one of the many reasons, um, why a lot of people liked him.

• 2:09:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Cause he would do things like that, where he would completely break protocol. And just say, let me know. Let me, let me, uh, let you know, rather. Let me inform you, there's a bunch of people that want to go to war. And they're pushing me all the time to go to war. That's what they want.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  It was so crazy, dude, because also even Eisenhower, when he coined the term, it was in his farewell address to the nation. He was literally like, this is my last stop and then I'm leaving. Trump was just in the middle of his presidency and he goes, all of them want war. They all want me to be in war all the time. If it was up to them, we'd always be at war. And I do, you know, now, look, that was crazy. I thought actually the one to me that was even crazier was if you remember when Bill O'Reilly was interviewing him and he's talking about Vladimir Putin and he goes, he's like, oh, well, you won't, you know, at the time Donald Trump, which he had run on, he was try- he was saying, we should have détente with Russia. He goes like, why do we, you know, we have all the nuclear weapons. Yeah, he goes, he goes, Putin's a killer. You wanna have détente with a killer? And he goes, we got a lot of killers too. And then he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean, we got a lot of killers too?

• 2:10:30Speaker 02

  And he goes, what was Iraq? What was that? We got a lot of killers on our side too. And then Bill O'Reilly's like, well, I, I mean, Iraq was a mistake, but he goes, yeah, we got a lot of killers too. And I love that, by the way. I mean, that was a-

• 2:10:43Joe Rogan?

  That's breaking protocol.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. Well, I think this is kind of, I think, one of the main reasons why the establishment revolted against Trump the way they did. There's something very scary to the powers that be about a guy who like, by his very nature, like, I don't even think he's capable of not letting things slip.

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 2:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:11:06Speaker 02

  He's just, that's who he is. Um, and that, you know, was a big thing that people really didn't like about him. Very interesting to me is that so many of the never Trumpers have come to define his presidency. Like, if you, if you remember back in, in 2016, the, uh, the, the war hawk kind of Israel firster Republican crowd, the neocons and all them, they hated Donald Trump, hated him with a passion. Ben Shapiro, uh, was a never Trumper. He said because of his deeply held principles, he could never support Donald Trump.

• 2:11:43Speaker 02

  Mark Levin was a never Trumper. All of National Review, all of them, and now they are the biggest Trump supporters ever as kind of he's blown up the coalition that got him elected. So it's kind of interesting that they all, you know,

• 2:12:00Speaker 02

  you know, but again, the-

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  Tell those guys to all stay off Twitter. There's not one thing that they ever say that makes them look better. They get in these silly fucking, they just feel like they're gonna make some stupid fucking statement and then refute a couple of people and don't understand the crowd reaction when you've got thousands of people tweeting against you now. Thousands just attacking you, destroying you, posting memes, posting videos. You said this and you said that, you piece of shit.

• 2:12:28Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 2:12:29Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:12:30Speaker 02

  I gotta say, I, I do love that dynamic of it. There's, well, there's-

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  I love it too.

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  There's something that-

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  That's why I stay off of it.

• 2:12:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, that's, you look, there's problems with it, but there is something about that dynamic now that was just never true in the past where it's like, well, I'm not saying it's perfect and obviously there's bots and there's things like that, so it's not like a, but- The people kinda get a voice in a way that they never had before.

• 2:12:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:52Speaker 02

  And there is something kinda cool about that.

• 2:12:54Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. I love it. But it's not all the people either. It's a lot of fake people. There's a lot of like state sponsored actors.

• 2:13:02Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's true. That's true. There's manipulation, but there was always manipulation in the old order also.

• 2:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Did you see this YouTube bot farm that they just busted?

• 2:13:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:13:11Joe Rogan?

  They busted this, this fucking warehouse had cell phones all rigged up for YouTube views. Where people would just, they would just hire a company and say, hey, you know, part of the problem is not getting enough views. I'd really like to blow the fuck up and get to number one. And you hire them and they can get views.

• 2:13:31Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:33Speaker 02

  Well, that's also, I mean, I guess if you got advertisements, that's legit fraud.

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:13:37Speaker 02

  That's like actual fraud, yeah.

• 2:13:39Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. And kind of a weird loophole where I don't think it's illegal.

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's gotta be, that's interesting.

• 2:13:45Joe Rogan?

  The bot thing too.

• 2:13:46Speaker 02

  It's gotta be some type of fraud though, if you're like, if you're intentionally doing that. Like, maybe if you didn't know.

• 2:13:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:51Speaker 02

  You could, but.

• 2:13:52Joe Rogan?

  But listen, Twitter pays people. X pays people to post.

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  So you pay based on engagement, right? That's how you get paid. So you farm out engagement. So like, what percentage of what we're interacting with is just horse shit?

• 2:14:09Speaker 02

  Well, I got, so, um, what does it say here?

• 2:14:11Speaker 03

  I know this story just happened. A guy got arrested and had to plead guilty because he made, I think, I think what happens, he made a fake ban.

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:18Speaker 03

  Bots to.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he had an AI generated song. He got, it played billions of times. In an effort to mimic the genuine streaming activity of real consumers, Smith pled guilty today conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Wire fraud.

• 2:14:31Speaker 03

  Check this out though. I heard a similar story in Japan where.

• 2:14:34Joe Rogan?

  First of all, let me stop you right there. Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence. Hey, hey, hey, stop talking shit about AI music because it's not fake. Those are real songs.

• 2:14:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 2:14:46Joe Rogan?

  Don't say fake songs. They, they're real songs and some of them are fucking bangers. Unfortunately, some of them are really good.

• 2:14:55Speaker 03

  You're gonna like what I was gonna say then. A guy was doing this in Japan. And it got viral and so he hired people to be the band and now the band is a real band. Kind of popular.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  So AI is creating jobs in this case.

• 2:15:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:11Speaker 02

  Well, you know.

• 2:15:11Joe Rogan?

  Shifty Brent rules, though. You can never create him in real life. He's the guy who does the 50 Cent ones?

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I've seen, I've seen quite a few of those.

• 2:15:20Joe Rogan?

  First of all, that guy was really, he'd have lungs like a fucking ultra marathon runner because the flow, like, how can you even have air to say what you're saying? Like, someone was saying that to me. She was like, I think you couldn't do this. And my argument was Eminem. I was like, yeah, you could. You would just have to be wicked at it, like Eminem. Like Eminem in his prime, that motherfucker could spit in a way where you're like, I can't believe he's still talking.

• 2:15:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, uh, I, I remember there were a couple of his things where I was like, I don't, can he actually do this? And then I saw him do it live. And not, not like I was there, I saw it on YouTube, like, where you're like, oh, he can actually rap like this.

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Recently.

• 2:15:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  I saw him recently. It was fucking great. He's still great. He's thin. He looks good. Yeah, he was killing it, man. He was killing it. But those, the speed in which that he can rap made me go, maybe AI is not bullshitting. But, you know, 50 Cent himself was like much more casual in his delivery.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, and it was, uh, much slower. This Shifty Brent AI.

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• 2:17:16Joe Rogan?

  I version is like, damn, that was a real person?

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  That'd be pretty great.

• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  He would be the greatest artist on earth.

• 2:17:23Speaker 02

  There was a guy, I can't remember his name, but just like the other day, some guy, he works for Fox News. And he came out and had a whole post about me. And he goes, uh, um, he goes, Dave Smith's account is clearly bodied by foreign. Like, and I'm almost like, when he said that, I was almost kind of like, this is a weird thing. Like, I know I've never paid for anything, but like, I don't know, you know what I mean? Like what someone else might have done or something like that. But I asked him, but I, so I replied to him and I go, wait, what evidence do you have of this? And then he, his post was that, he said, because I had 900,000 followers on Twitter, but I'm playing Laugh Boston this weekend. And he goes, that's a 300 seat venue.

• 2:18:05Joe Rogan?

  I play that many times too.

• 2:18:07Speaker 02

  Well, I was like.

• 2:18:07Joe Rogan?

  First of all, he doesn't understand comedy clubs.

• 2:18:10Speaker 02

  You just don't get comedy clubs, dude. Like, this is not, and first of all, I'm doing five shows there. By the way, come on out this weekend.

• 2:18:15Joe Rogan?

  Great club.

• 2:18:16Speaker 02

  Great club. Literally, one of my, one of my favorite weekends of last year.

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  It's a fucking great room.

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  But I was like, look, man, I sold out all the shows last year, hoping to do the same this year. But I go, that is any, like, I just know the industry of standup comedy pretty well. And I was like, anybody who you're saying would be selling more than this? So what, selling out big theaters or selling out a stadium or something like that? All the people who do that have more followers than me. So like, he's not even right about the ratio of it or whatever.

• 2:18:43Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't understand the numbers.

• 2:18:44Speaker 02

  But then I kind of like, I grilled him on it a bit more because, listen, I'm kind of like you. Like when you were talking about suing CNN back in the day for slandering you, like, I'm never actually gonna do it. But I don't mind saying it, you know what I mean? So like, so I tagged Fox News and I go, hey, Fox News, shouldn't you have some evidence if you're gonna make a claim? Like I'm clearly bodied by foreign influence or whatever.

• 2:19:06Joe Rogan?

  Fox News actually said it?

• 2:19:07Speaker 02

  The guy works for Fox News.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Was he on Fox News when he said it?

• 2:19:10Speaker 02

  No, he's, he's on Twitter. Twitter, but he's like a Fox News contributor or something like that.

• 2:19:14Joe Rogan?

  But I'm a UFC contributor. It wouldn't be like the UFC.

• 2:19:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess, I guess that's true. So I don't know, maybe it would just be him and either way, I'm not suing anyone. But I did want him to just, I go, just, just admit, you don't have any evidence for this. Like, just retract that.

• 2:19:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing, I would agree that your account is bodied because you're a very controversial public figure. So of course they're gonna focus. I'm sure my account is bodied too.

• 2:19:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:36Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure Jamie's account is bodied.

• 2:19:38Speaker 02

  100%, right?

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  I'll show you the evidence.

• 2:19:42Speaker 02

  I think Jamie might be a bot himself.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  We're all botched, man. If you look at, you know, we've brought up this up a million times, but there was an FBI, former FBI analyst, who analyzed Twitter before the purchase, and it was his take that as much as 80% might be artificial. Now, this is back then, this is before Elon purchased it. I think they've done, they've taken some steps to try to ensure, one of the things is, you have to, you could go to the person's page, you could see what country they're posting from.

• 2:20:11Speaker 02

  Yes, I like that a lot.

• 2:20:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because there's a lot of people that are like pro-America, and you're like, hey, man, you're in Pakistan.

• 2:20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, what's going on here? This is kind of kooky. So, there's a lot of that going on.

• 2:20:20Speaker 02

  I've had, I've had before where people go like, oh, Dave, you always say Israel's trying to lie us into war, but this is America, we decide what war we're gonna fight. And then you click it, Israel. So, dude, in Israel, talking, saying that.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  But at least, we're getting steps to know those. Listen, if it wasn't for Elon Musk, we would be fucked. I've said this before, I'll say it again, history will go back and look at his purchasing Twitter, and it, it has changed the course of communication in this country for the better.

• 2:20:51Speaker 02

  No question.

• 2:20:52Joe Rogan?

  I know, a lot of you thought, oh, my God, the racism is up, and all this stuff is up. That's people. That's the internet. That is an accurate representation, representation of people. It's not good, but it's also accurate. And the only way that's gonna change is if the other voices are more compelling. And at least now, they have an opportunity to do that.

• 2:21:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, and you, and you have to kind of engage in this, whether, and I'm not saying you have to be on Twitter or something like that, but I'm just saying, like, if you wanna, you know, I would love very much to get to a place where like, you're like, hey, let's all agree that we're not on board with the bigotry stuff. And I mean this like, whether it's against white men, or whether it's against black men, or whether it's against Jews, or whether it's against Muslims, or whatever. And I see a whole lot of all of that. And I'd love to move past that. I also would, um... Like, like, I, I wish there was a way that like Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson could have like a cool conversation. You know what I mean?

• 2:21:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:21:51Speaker 02

  Not like, not like, be like, but, well, look, it's not-

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  I wish Santa Claus and Jesus would come meet me for dinner.

• 2:21:55Speaker 02

  Well, look, both would be nice. The latter is more likely, I think, too, at this point. You know, I had a weird, um, thing, I don't know if you saw this, but, uh, Ben Shapiro, uh, had, he made this video about like, about Pierce Morgan and, and like going at him over having me on, on the show.

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:22:14Speaker 02

  And he went, this whole thing, and so he, he says to me, or he said, you know, he insults me a few times or whatever. And then he goes, uh, now I, I can hear Dave Smith right now, and his response to this is, "Debate me, bro." Which, fair enough, that kind of is always my, I only have one tool in my toolkit, like-

• 2:22:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:22:32Speaker 02

  Come, let's podcast about this. I don't know, like, this is what I do, I talk.

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  He's not willing to do that?

• 2:22:37Speaker 02

  He goes, "No," uh, because you're like so, uh, he said, "Because I won't, I don't debate such intellectually dishonest people," or, or something like that, which I thought was a weird criticism of me, like, you could say I'm wrong, but I do believe the shit I say.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think you're in the, I don't think in any demonstration of any, I don't think there's a single moment that I could point to that I think that you've been intellectually dishonest. I think that is like factually incorrect.

• 2:23:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, that is gaslighting. You are very honest. You're a very honest person.

• 2:23:10Speaker 02

  Well, thank you, I try to be.

• 2:23:11Joe Rogan?

  No, you are. Uh, it's one of the things I love about you. You, you're honest about your fuck-ups, you're honest about your, what you're incorrect about, and what bothered you-

• 2:23:20Speaker 02

  You got plenty.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  About things that you've said. You're, you're very honest. So that's a silly thing to say, that's total gaslighting.

• 2:23:26Speaker 02

  Well, it's also, well, I look at it like this, and I don't, you know, honestly, like, obviously, if Ben Shapiro wanted to debate, I would, I would do it-

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Everybody before all this shit went down.

• 2:23:35Speaker 02

  You go, dude, you can't say, "I'm beyond the pale," when you're known for debating nineteen-year-olds who are confused about their gender. You know what I'm saying?

• 2:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Everybody, yeah.

• 2:23:43Speaker 02

  No, I don't know if you remember this, and this, to me, I, I actually think is, is very interesting, but I don't know if you remember this, but on this show, Ben was on years ago, and this, you know, years before October 7th or anything like that. But he was saying, he was talking about Israel, and his defense for Israel, and you went, uh, you go, "That's interesting, would you ever debate someone?" You know, who's a critic of Israel and just generically, not about a specific person. And he goes, absolutely, I'd be happy to do that. And you know, the thing about guys like that is that particularly with Ben Shapiro. For the last two and a half years, his number one issue, Israel, has been the number one topic of conversation. And in that time, Israel's support has been bleeding. I mean, just like to a level you couldn't have imagined. You couldn't have imagined two and a half years ago to go, this will be a pro Palestinian country.

• 2:24:28Speaker 02

  That was unthinkable and it's become that. And forget me, there's way better people than me. But Ben Shapiro debated no one. He never once had a conversation with a competent critic of Israel. And that, listen, people saw that, people noticed that. And so I kind of in a weird way feel like it's like, hey dude, I don't care if you do the debate with me or not. I wish, I don't think we ever can. I wish there would be a world where we could have a good faith conversation, like a guy with me and Ben Shapiro. But he refused to do it with anyone. Anyway, so while you're smearing everybody who's a critic of Israel, you're not willing to like you. Listen, there are some people who don't debate, but he branded himself as the debate guy.

• 2:25:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, if you don't like Dave, sit down with Scott Horton.

• 2:25:13Speaker 02

  Sure, absolutely. Scott Horton's way smarter than me and knows way more shit than me anyway. So talk to him about it, dude.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if you're saying that this is the reason why you won't do it, that sounds crazy because wouldn't you want to debate someone who's intellectually dishonest because it would be so easy to refute them with facts?

• 2:25:27Speaker 02

  Exactly, so come.

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  It would be perfect. It's like dating, it's like sparring a guy who knows fake Kung Fu. You know, thinks he's got a death touch and you're Dustin Poirier. You're like, oh yeah, bro, lace the gloves up, let's go.

• 2:25:39Speaker 02

  Well, that was kind of my thing with with the Douglas Murray thing too, where it was like at a certain point, you're like, dude, you can't just say you're an expert and I'm not an expert. Demonstrate that then, that if that's the case, then it should be easy for you to just chop me up in front of the world right now.

• 2:25:53Joe Rogan?

  There was also some things that you had to correct him on.

• 2:25:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:25:56Joe Rogan?

  About the history of Israel.

• 2:25:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, we just got it wrong.

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  And you could see like the tremor in his eyes like, oh shit. Like they don't want to give up that ground because they're playing a very different game. And the game is not, let's be intellectually honest about what we think is going on and what we think is good and bad. About what's going on versus I'm trying to win. And one of the ways I try to win is by I can appeal to authority. You're not an expert, you know, you're not a this, you're not a professor, you don't, you've never been there. Yeah, that kind of shit, that, that, that is all like hack ass fake Kung Fu moves. You know, you're gonna try on Francis Nganu, you know what I mean?

• 2:26:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, okay, so good luck with that.

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Shit, not that I'm comparing you to Francis Nganu, that's very disrespectful to Francis.

• 2:26:42Speaker 02

  Certainly not when it comes to, you'd much rather fight me.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  This Ronda Rousey card, they got Francis fighting Phillip Linz, Phillip Linz, who was a light heavyweight in the UFC, and the UFC cut him. And he's fighting the scariest heavyweight who's ever walked the face of the earth.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  I mean, props to him.

• 2:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Primetime Alistair Overeem, primetime Alistair Overeem when he was Uberame, I think is even scarier. I think, cause he was way skillful, like, he was terrifying when he was on the sauce.

• 2:27:07Speaker 02

  Yes, but even.

• 2:27:12Speaker 02

  Francis almost has a thing where it just seems like you, you have to fight a perfect. Against him. Which Stipe Miocic did.

• 2:27:22Joe Rogan?

  He took a lot of shots, that's the thing about Stipe, like, Stipe could take a shot.

• 2:27:26Speaker 02

  And you would see he'd like jab him and he'd be rocked, but he'd still get the takedown and still, and he exhausted him.

• 2:27:31Joe Rogan?

  He beat him with skill, strategy, experience, everything, but in the second one, DC said it best, he goes, a patient Francis is a fucking terrifying thing.

• 2:27:40Speaker 02

  Dude, my favorite, uh, my favorite commentary ever in a fight was, uh, when, when DC said, it was just so hilarious to me, it was so real. Like, he just meant it, but it was when, when Francis Nganu fought, uh, fought, uh, Ghan. And he grappled a little bit in that fight, which we had never seen him do, uh, before. But there was one point where there, he was on the ground and he like took his back or something like that, like he passed his guard or he took his back or something like that. And DC just goes, oh my God, he's doing jujitsu now. It was like he was speaking of a robot who just learned how to feel feelings, he goes, oh my God, it's learning, it's advancing. This is so terrifying.

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  A guy that's that much of a destroyer that learns how to take backs and try. Angle people to and control you from the back and blast you unconscious like he did with that dude in the PFL in his last fight. Took his back and just blasted him into the netherworld.

• 2:28:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's that's scary.

• 2:28:32Joe Rogan?

  He's the scariest guy that's ever fought in the UFC.

• 2:28:34Speaker 02

  Props to that dude for taking the fight.

• 2:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Natural clean guy, I should say that.

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, fair enough, fair enough.

• 2:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cuz we only got a couple Alistair Overeem fights where he was Uberim, the big one being Brock Lesnar. That was the big one.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  And of course, the other fight on that card that they added, which is huge is the Nate Diaz.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's my point.

• 2:28:51Speaker 02

  If Nate Diaz is fighting, I just.

• 2:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:28:53Speaker 02

  I'm paying whatever you're charging, I'm going to be wherever it is.

• 2:28:57Joe Rogan?

  And it's Mike Perry.

• 2:28:58Speaker 02

  Great fight.

• 2:28:59Joe Rogan?

  Bad motherfucker.

• 2:29:00Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:29:00Joe Rogan?

  That's a great fight, but my point is they also have Robelis de Spain. Who's on that card, who's a six foot seven Cuban Taekwondo expert, who's a heavyweight, he's a knockout artist. Like, why didn't they have him? He's fighting Junior Dos Santos. And Junior Dos Santos is, you know, it's, he's had a lot, he was an all time great, but he had a long career and he's had some bad knockouts.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Some wars too.

• 2:29:24Joe Rogan?

  Bad wars, the wars with Kane Velasquez took years off his life.

• 2:29:28Speaker 02

  All right, that, those, it was almost criminal that they didn't stop both of those fights.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, it were definitely horrible and terrible to watch, but the point is, Robelis is huge. He's a real heavyweight, he's a big giant knockout artist, like that would have been an interesting fight versus Francis. Big, super tall guy that's hard to hit.

• 2:29:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  And if it just is a striking fight, the problem with Robelis, he got, he got exposed in his last UFC fight on the ground. He got beat up, his ground game's not that good, could have gotten better, but on the feet, that's a little bit more interesting to me than Phillip. Although Phillip's a skillful fighter, you know, he's just, he's used to fighting at light heavyweight, the UFC cuts him. And now all of a sudden, he's fighting against Francis.

• 2:30:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a little bit of a mismatch, but hey, I mean, you know, we've seen crazy shit happen in MMA before.

• 2:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Felipe, I think it's pronounced Felipe, Felipe Linz, but he's a good fighter. And it's not, it's not a bad fight in that sense, but it's like, you're going up against a guy with a chip on his shoulder that they're paying 20 million dollars. He's the lineal, I don't know what they're paying him, I'm just guessing, but he's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, the real one. Like, if you really like plotted out, no one beat him for the title. That's a, that's a crazy fight. It's like, that's how shallow the heavyweight division out, is outside of the UFC. There's so few fights for you to get Francis for. There's so few fights in the UFC. I mean, the UFC's heavyweight division is a, a real mess.

• 2:30:57Speaker 02

  It's very hard to find gigantic men who are excellent fighters, I guess.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot in Russia, okay? There's, there's guys that are fighting in other countries that are really good, that are coming up. It's just like, it's hard to get them over here. There's Josh Hoke, he's a bad motherfucker. That wrestler dude who's crazy, who has these crazy speeches after the fight, puts on an American flag bandana. And he said, "Brittany Griner has a dick."

• 2:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Brittany Griner's a man, I forget what he said. But he's just nuts. He's, but he's also like really smart about marketing.

• 2:31:26Speaker 02

  Who's the other guy? You, you talked about him several times, but he's the, the Olympic wrestler guy.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Gabe.

• 2:31:32Speaker 02

  Gabe, yeah.

• 2:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Gable, Gable, he's, yeah, he's not in yet, though. He's not in, I had him on the podcast. He's not in the UFC yet.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he's-

• 2:31:39Joe Rogan?

  When he's in the UFC, he's going to be a fucking problem. Olympic gold medalist, elite wrestler, moves like a cat, 250 pounds, young, super dedicated, and just recently learned striking and is fucking people up with his hands.

• 2:31:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and is picking it up quite quickly.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  And is a Jon Jones protege. So, he's been, being mentored by the GOAT. And absorbing his mindset and how, that guy's helping him. He's investing his time into training him. If you're a young guy, you know what a fucking boost of confidence, the greatest of all time, says you're gonna be the man? You're gonna be the fucking man. You just stick with this plan, and they're bringing him up the right way. He fought in dirty boxing, he fought some small MMA organizations, he's just like building up experience.

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, and there's not, there's never been a lot of, but there's not really right now in heavyweight landscape, there isn't really like a Frank Mir or a, a-

• 2:32:42Speaker 02

  What's his name, um, Minotaur, uh-

• 2:32:45Joe Rogan?

  Nogera?

• 2:32:45Speaker 02

  Nogera, where there used to be these like guys who were like kinda known for fighting off their back. You know what I mean, like-

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:51Speaker 02

  Most heavyweights don't really like fighting off their back. These, even the guys who are really good at jiu-jitsu, I also think just in general, fighting off your back is a lot harder than it used to be-

• 2:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Fabrizio Verdoom was the greatest at it.

• 2:33:00Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, that's a great example, he was incredible.

• 2:33:02Joe Rogan?

  He was the best at it.

• 2:33:02Speaker 02

  Um, but there aren't really that many guys like that, a lot of these guys, you take them down-

• 2:33:07Joe Rogan?

  They're in trouble.

• 2:33:08Speaker 02

  They're in trouble.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and when you got a guy like Gable, guess what bitch, you're gonna get taken down. And there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. That is a next level wrestler.

• 2:33:18Speaker 02

  I just saw the one, one of his recent fights where he, uh, he, he's finishing a double leg before he realized he knocked the guy out, it seemed like-

• 2:33:25Joe Rogan?

  He KO's him with a left hook and he's so fast that as the guy's collapsing on the way down, he shoots a double, connects, takes him to the ground while he's unconscious. So before the guy has a chance to drop, that's how fast he is. He's already on him, taking him down and pounds him out while he's already unconscious.

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was scary.

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  Woo, that guy's a problem. He's a problem, and that's an American heavyweight motherfucker. We need one of those. We need some American champions, we're down.

• 2:33:52Speaker 02

  Get him in the White House.

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, are there any American champions right now? Who are the American champions? Um, Mackenzie Dern is the strawweight champion, so she's technically an American. Although his, her dad is a very famous Brazilian legend.

• 2:34:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:34:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Megaton Diaz is, is her dad. And she was a jiu-jitsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu champion. But she is American. So she's a champion. Other than that, who?

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  Shawn Strickland's fighting for the title.

• 2:34:23Joe Rogan?

  Kayla Harrison, that's right. Kayla's, so it's only women that are the Americans. Yeah, look at that, boy, you're gonna see a lot of those dudes with those beards. As they keep coming over here, you're gonna see, oh, Joshua Van is an American, that's right. You gotta see a lot of those dudes. That's a caveat, though, the Joshua Van. No disrespect for Joshua, because I think he's an awesome fighter. But he won that fight.

• 2:34:46Speaker 02

  We gotta have a rematch on that one, yeah.

• 2:34:47Joe Rogan?

  That was a freak injury. I mean, he fell and dislocated his arm. It's a complete freak injury. And Pantoja still hasn't fully recovered from that, so it was pretty bad, whatever the fuck. They said his shoulder dislocated and his elbow.

• 2:35:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember hearing that afterward. It looked like it was just his elbow.

• 2:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, but they said, the doctor had said it was his shoulder. And so what it, what the thing about the elbow is, um, the elbow is a less complicated joint, right? And so when the elbow gets dislocated, if someone just pulls on it, it can pop back into place. So, like, saying that there's, as long as they know what they're doing, right? Because you don't want to do it like Yuri Prohaska's team did and rip his shoulder apart and then need surgery. Probably needed surgery anyway if it was dislocating like that. It was probably loose. But the point is that, like, his elbow might have popped back into place by the time they brought him backstage. And that's when they realized his shoulder was fucked. Because his shoulder probably hurt more even than his elbow.

• 2:35:44Speaker 02

  That was unfortunate, because that was a real interesting fight.

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Dislocate a lot, you know, and, you know, sometimes people dislocate their shoulders and don't even realize they do.

• 2:35:53Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:35:53Joe Rogan?

  And I, apparently, according to my, the, this orthopedic surgeon that I went to back in the day, before I realized that stem cells could fix it. Uh, this guy was convincing me that I had to have surgery. And one of the things he said, you know that your shoulder's been dislocated. And I said, it has? He goes, you didn't know? I go, no. He goes, how long, how many times you hurt your shoulder? I go, how much time you got? Because what is, sit down and talk about how many times I've been gomorrid? How many times I've been fucking arm blocked? How many times I've been caught in a triangle? How many times, you know, posting on the ground, I've jostled my shoulder? The good news is there have been no fracture or ligament injury. That's great. Oh, that's Bahumpa said that. So from that, we have great expectations for his return, but the exact timeframe is still unknown. Still needs a lot of physiotherapy, start moving his arm.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Wow, then he can go back to light training and then hard training. Bro, we gotta get that guy down to fucking, the CPI in, you know, the, the Cellular Performance Institute that the UFC uses. Get that dude down to Tijuana.

• 2:36:52Speaker 02

  I'm worried about, I'm worried about the new model for the UFC.

• 2:36:55Joe Rogan?

  The Paramount model?

• 2:36:56Speaker 02

  I'm worried about the war in Iran and the new UFC model. This is what keeps me up at night.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  I get it. So what are you worried about with the new UFC model?

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  I'm uh, I'm no genius, um, but it seems to me like I'm a hardcore fan of the UFC, right? So I was a, you know, I order every pay-per-view.

• 2:37:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:14Speaker 02

  Everyone, you know, I, and, and so every, any Saturday, if I'm on the road in my green room, we're watching the UFC. If I'm not on the road, I'm either at home watching it or I'm trying to go to the event if it's in town.

• 2:37:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  So then, uh, it's like, okay, ESPN is, is over, uh, we're not doing that anymore. So then they go, we're switching to Paramount. Now I already had Paramount because like my kids like some shows on Paramount.

• 2:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:37:37Speaker 02

  So now.

• 2:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Landman.

• 2:37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. I, I watch Landman. Great show.

• 2:37:41Joe Rogan?

  Woo.

• 2:37:41Speaker 02

  Um, so you know, so like I have Paramount Plus. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, that's easy enough. And then I, I'm like, so wait a minute, hold on. So you tell me I just get everyone for free now? I just don't have to order pay-per-views anymore? And there's just something about that. Now, I'm not saying whether this is Paramount's mistake or the UFC's mistake or whatever, but just like the, the basics of business to me go. So you just had a, a loyal customer who's very happy to pay for every pay-per-view.

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  And I'm just not now. Like this just on some level, now I understand it's because Paramount gave him a whole bunch of money. But on some level I go, number one, I go, but how is this good for business if the customer no longer has to pay for a thing? That I was happily paying for.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  Let me correct you.

• 2:38:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Sure. First of all, Paramount, the idea of doing this and investing $7 billion into the UFC over the next few years. The, the positive that they're gonna get from that with loyal new customers is massive.

• 2:38:40Speaker 02

  So if you're. It's introducing it to a whole new audience.

• 2:38:43Joe Rogan?

  If you're a loyal pay-per-view buyer.

• 2:38:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:45Joe Rogan?

  If you spend, what is it? 70 bucks for a pay-per-view?

• 2:38:48Speaker 02

  I think something like that.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  So 70 bucks for this big time pay-per-view card, now you get it for free. You just have to pay for Paramount Plus every month for the year. You're saving so much money.

• 2:38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  So the amount of new people that are gonna go, oh, this is awesome. I don't have to pay for pay-per-view anymore. I pay for Paramount Plus and I get all these awesome shows too. Cause Paramount Plus has a ton of great fucking shows.

• 2:39:12Speaker 02

  Great deal for the consumer.

• 2:39:13Joe Rogan?

  You get roped in. Through that and then you go looking around on Paramount Plus and you stay a loyal subscriber. They have all these years with this new influx of viewers from the UFC deal to build up more of a library. More shows. It's huge for business.

• 2:39:29Speaker 02

  Okay, fair enough.

• 2:39:30Joe Rogan?

  Take their app from where it is now and take their streaming model from where it is now and quadruple it over the next X amount of years.

• 2:39:37Speaker 02

  So they're, okay, so for them, they're bringing in the whole UFC audience.

• 2:39:40Joe Rogan?

  And how many people would look at a pay-per-view card and look, I would buy every one of them. Even when I was working for the UFC, I would go on ESPN Plus and I would buy them, even though I was there. I was like, I want to be able to watch it in the gym when I get home. I'm gonna buy it. And so you've got all these people that were looking at those cards that were like, this one, I don't know. I don't know if that's worth 70 bucks. If you're on a budget and you're looking at this one, you're like, who's fighting? Nah, I'm gonna pass on this one. I'll watch it, you know, a couple of weeks on ESPN Plus. Cause you could just wait a few weeks. I don't know how long the timeframe is, but you could wait a few weeks and you could watch it. This, you don't have to do that anymore. It's 10 bucks a month. What is Paramount Plus a month? How much does it cost?

• 2:40:27Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out. So we're accurate. But you're saving so much money.

• 2:40:32Speaker 02

  But also on ESPN, they charged you something like that too. Like you had to pay an ESPN fee and then you had to pay for each individual pay-per-view. So no, listen, I'm saving a lot of money off this.

• 2:40:42Joe Rogan?

  Okay, $13.99 a month or $139 a year for the ad-free premium plan, which includes Showtime. New and former subscribers can currently get any monthly plan for $2.99 a month for the first two months. So for a new subscriber, you could try it out for two months for $2.99 a month and watch every UFC for $2.99 a month for two months. It's fucking worth it. And then you're gonna get this huge influx of people that, you know, if you're on a budget, you're not gonna subscribe to Paramount Plus. You already got Netflix. Netflix costs X amount of money. Maybe you got HBO Max. That's X amount of money. Like, I can't afford Paramount too. I don't want to pay another 10 bucks a month or $14 a month. Now, you just, it's easy. Like, no pay-per-views.

• 2:41:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they made, they made a lot of wives of hardcore fans happy. Sure for that to be like, I don't have to buy these pay-per-views anymore. Yeah, they get the Paramount shows and they don't have to do that. Alright, fair enough. I guess it's just, um, in some ways, I guess, and I don't really have much of a mind for business, but in some ways, there's just a thing where it's like, we've always done it this way. Now we're doing it a whole new way.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's been on streaming for the last few years.

• 2:41:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 2:41:53Joe Rogan?

  So it's always been on an app anyway. And then Paramount, you could get it on Apple TV, you can get it on Android TV, you can get it on all these different things. It's like, there's no reason to not have it. It's easy. It's just great for, as a business move for Paramount, it was a smart fucking move. Because you get this built-in hardcore fanbase. Now, have some of the cards been lackluster? Yes, but guess what? That has always been the case.

• 2:42:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's just a matter of time.

• 2:42:19Joe Rogan?

  Go back and watch Rose Nama-Yunus versus Carla Esparza. There's been some fights back in the day that just weren't great.

• 2:42:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  And there's been cards that, even though they look good on paper, in reality, they weren't so fun.

• 2:42:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I also, I'm, I'm with you, uh, because I remember you used to say this back in the day all the time. But I, I am like a purist fan in, in MMA in the sense that like, all of that is like, I don't care. Like, like, you feel like, oh, it's boring. You're like, it's the most exciting sport in the world on its worst day. Even in a fight that's a bad fight, because if you remember the, uh, um, Frank Mir Crocop, is a good example of this, where it was just a boring fight, the entire fight. And then there's a spectacular knockout at the end of it. And even if that doesn't end up happening, you're always watching like, that could happen at any moment.

• 2:43:04Joe Rogan?

  It always can happen.

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  I also, uh, I also am with you. I, I believe in like, uh, I don't believe in stand-ups. I don't think anyone should ever be stood up. I don't think you should be separated for stalemate or whatever. It's like, if someone puts you in that position, then you gotta get out of it.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Get up. If they're not doing enough on the top, that's silly. Sean O'Malley explains why piracy led to the UFC's massive Paramount deal. Oh, interesting.

• 2:43:26Speaker 03

  There's a lot of people that'll pay for it every week, but there's a lot of people that won't.

• 2:43:29Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense. They're streaming it illegally. That makes sense. I knew there was a lot of that because there were sites that you could go to. And people would openly talk about it. You can go to it and just watch the pay-per-view. It's a good move, dude. It's a good move for, for the business. It's just like, they just need a few banger cards to make people forget about the stale ones.

• 2:43:48Speaker 02

  But that always, that will happen. It's inevitable.

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have stale cards. I'm concerned about the White House fight. I'm concerned about it not just from a security standpoint. I'm concerned about it because it's outside, it's June, and it's in Washington DC. When you're, if it's hot out, and it could very well be, like, what's the average temperature?

• 2:44:07Speaker 03

  I looked this up the other day. Uh, average sixty-seven percent humidity in last year, or twenty twenty-four is a hundred degrees on June fourteenth.

• 2:44:13Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, okay.

• 2:44:15Speaker 02

  That's tough.

• 2:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:44:16Speaker 03

  And I think it's supposed to be at noon also.

• 2:44:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's an issue.

• 2:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, okay, okay. That's a fucking big problem, dude. That's a big problem. You are going to radically affect their performance if you make people fight in a hundred-degree temperature with sixty-seven percent humidity outside. You're also gonna radically affect my ability to do commentary, okay? My fucking head doesn't have any hair. The top of my head is gonna be beet red. I'm gonna have to put some toxic sunscreen on it. You're gonna see me with that white zinc powder that the surfers use on their nose. It'll be all over the, I'll, I'll make like fake hair with like white zinc. My head's gonna get cooked.

• 2:44:53Speaker 02

  That is, that is an issue.

• 2:44:54Speaker 03

  Eighty percent chance of thunderstorms with highs in the mid-eighties.

• 2:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Are they building a tent? Is this outside outside, or is it outside in a tent? Are they gonna have like fans blowing cold air on us? You know how much DC's gonna complain? That fucking dude, he's gonna be right next to me. His shirt's gonna be soaked.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a bit of an issue.

• 2:45:12Joe Rogan?

  Tell with mine, because I always wear black anyway, but everybody with a white shirt or a blue shirt, if Anik has a light blue shirt on, his pits are gonna be fucking filled up with sweat. It's gonna be ridiculous.

• 2:45:23Speaker 02

  That also like really legitimately changes the actual fight itself.

• 2:45:26Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 2:45:28Speaker 03

  Isn't that like the rendering of it?

• 2:45:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so there, I don't see any AC there, bro. How are you gonna get AC on those people? What is that gonna be like? That sounds fucking insane. To do that in June just because that's a fun time to do it? I mean, if I was Justin Gagey, or I was Iliya Toporia, if I was Justin Gagey, I mean, first of all, he has to take the fight. It's a historic fight. It's at the White House. He's like, he's a true red-blooded American. He wants to win the title at the White House. Come on. You have to do it. But, he's 37 years old. He's had a long career, and he's fighting, maybe the most lethal guy he's ever faced.

• 2:46:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  The one guy out of all the guys he faced, that can shut the fucking lights out with one shot every time. His last three fights is the craziest resume in the history of the sport. Knocks out Alexander Volkanovski, knocks out Max Holloway, knocks out Charles Olivera. Two at featherweight, one at lightweight. All of them leveled.

• 2:46:30Speaker 02

  I wouldn't even say, well, I guess it's debatable, but certainly you could make an argument the two best featherweights of all time.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  And...

• 2:46:39Joe Rogan?

  One of the greatest lightweights of all time.

• 2:46:41Speaker 02

  And by the way, and I know MMA math is never perfect, but you look at what Olivera just did to Max Holloway.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:47Speaker 02

  Who I love, is one of my favorite fighters of all time.

• 2:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Love Max.

• 2:46:49Speaker 02

  You look at what Charles Olivera just did to Max Holloway. And then you think about the way Iliya Toporia handled him.

• 2:46:56Joe Rogan?

  Flatlined him, in the first round.

• 2:46:58Speaker 02

  And not, what was to me almost as impressive as the knockout, was handling him on the ground.

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:06Speaker 02

  Passed his guard. He tried to take him down. Think about the way, he got one of those body locks and tried to take him down. Think about how helpless Max Holloway was for that. How helpless a whole bunch of guys we've seen are when he gets his hands around you. And Iliya Toporia, he tried to do that. He ends up on top and passes his guard.

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:21Speaker 02

  Right away. Also, he ate a really clean elbow, early in that fight, and just was like, nothing.

• 2:47:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, shook it off like it was nothing. He's a special talent. So, but then again, when you're dealing with special talents, and great, great fighters like Justin, who, this is probably his last opportunity to fight for the title. I want that under the perfect conditions.

• 2:47:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:44Joe Rogan?

  I want that to be in an arena where it's 72 degrees and air conditioned. I, I, I don't want it to be outside. I don't want there to be any additional stress or distractions because you're warming up at the White House. Like, what do you have tents with mats on them and these guys are gonna be slipping around in puddles of sweat?

• 2:48:01Speaker 02

  Shadow boxing in the Situation Room before you come out.

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Who's gonna slip on sweat and blow their ACL out? You know, I mean, if you ever done striking on mats when a bunch of dudes have been training like in a class, it's so fucking slippery, man. If it's that hot, it's gonna, unless they have it, these mats where they're getting set up in air conditioned buildings somewhere. Unless they have like a facility.

• 2:48:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe they can do that.

• 2:48:26Joe Rogan?

  I hope they think that through. I hope they think that through. I hope they prepare it. It's just, I don't like, I, I, I like the idea that it's like this big celebration of the UFC that the president loves the UFC so much, wants to do it at the White House. But in practice, I don't like it at all because you've got two world titles. You know, you've got the interim heavyweight world title and then you've got this world title with Justin and Ilya at 55. I don't like it. I want those, I want those to be at the T-Mobile. I want those to be at the Madison Square Garden Arena. I want, you know, I want those to be somewhere dope. The TD Garden, Boston. Put it, put it in a fucking real arena where it's air conditioned, damn it.

• 2:49:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:09Joe Rogan?

  These are amazing fights. I don't want anybody fighting when it's 100 degrees outside. That's crazy.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  Wouldn't, and correct me if I'm wrong, but also I would think it's, you're gonna get sweaty so quick in weather like that. And that is a big deal for like grappling and stuff like that. I mean, like, that's a huge advantage if you're trying to not get grappled by someone.

• 2:49:28Joe Rogan?

  Here's another factor. These are people that just were radically dehydrated 24 hours ago. And then you're asking them to compete in a sauna. You're basically asking them to fight in a sauna.

• 2:49:40Speaker 02

  That is still so crazy to me that there's not a way that we can just get two guys who weigh 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds.

• 2:49:49Joe Rogan?

  I've had this conversation with them.

• 2:49:50Speaker 02

  Instead, we have to have two guys who weigh 180 pounds, cut down to 150 pounds, and then rehydrate up to 180 pounds to fight at 180 pounds.

• 2:50:00Joe Rogan?

  And weaken themselves, like radically weaken themselves. I see those guys the day they weigh in, the worst ever that I ever saw was Travis Luder. So Travis

• 2:50:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, against Anderson Silva, I remember.

• 2:50:12Joe Rogan?

  He missed weight.

• 2:50:13Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:50:13Joe Rogan?

  But I was backstage for all of it, right? So this was back when the weigh-ins were the time of the actual weigh-ins. It wasn't the ceremonial weigh-in. Like, now they give him more time. You can weigh in in the morning, and then by the ceremonial weigh-in, which is usually 5:00 PM, usually these guys have significantly rehydrated. They do it slowly, but they have a process to it. Uh, but Travis missed weight. And so I was backstage while they gave him X amount of time to make the weight. And dude, he couldn't walk. He was shuffling, shuffling. Like, he couldn't pick his legs up. His lips were cracked.

• 2:50:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:45Joe Rogan?

  His face was dry. He looked like he was gonna die. He looked like a guy who had been shipwrecked, you know? And like, lost at sea, and just drinking his own piss for a week. And they finally rescued him. That's what it looked like.

• 2:50:57Speaker 02

  Right, he was dying, I guess, right? I mean, that is what you're looking at.

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  He was dying. And then 24 hours later, he has to fight the greatest middleweight of all time. He has to fight Anderson motherfucking Silva in his prime.

• 2:51:07Speaker 02

  And, but, did, for that being the story.

• 2:51:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:11Speaker 02

  Did remarkably well.

• 2:51:12Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he would've.

• 2:51:13Speaker 02

  I mean, he got viciously, uh...

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  Elbowed.

• 2:51:15Speaker 02

  It was elbow in the triangle. Yeah, yeah, it was hard.

• 2:51:17Joe Rogan?

  But that would not have happened if Travis wasn't compromised. Travis was a real problem back then.

• 2:51:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:22Joe Rogan?

  He was one of the best jiu-jitsu guys to ever compete in MMA.

• 2:51:25Speaker 02

  And he was stylistically, kind of like, the best shot against Anderson Silva at that time.

• 2:51:30Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:51:30Speaker 02

  And, uh, 'cause Anderson Silva just looked untouchable. And he got him down. Yeah. And got him into good positions a few times, but...

• 2:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Even though he was fucked from the weight cut. But the thing was, he never made the weight, so even if he beat him, he wouldn't have got the title. The whole thing was fucked.

• 2:51:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:44Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, I've advocated for, there's a solution. One of them is multiple weight classes that are additional to what we have. Have one at least every 10 pounds, and it probably should be more. And a lot of people push back against that, but listen, 10 pounds for an elite athlete is a big fucking deal. 20 pounds is crazy. So when you go like 85 to 205, that's crazy.

• 2:52:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:07Joe Rogan?

  That's too much weight. It's too much of a gap. You could have multiple champions in between those weight classes, and it's just better for the sport overall. You've got more champions, you have more champion versus champion matchups you can make.

• 2:52:18Speaker 02

  Well, there's it all. Also, first of all, it's very unhealthy and dangerous, and that's the biggest issue. But then, it also makes it a thing where it's like, now there's, there's two factors. It's not just who's the best fighter. It's also who's the best at dehydrating themselves, losing a ton of weight and rehydrating themselves. And also, I think, like, I've heard, I've heard GSP say before, that, like, some people are just naturally better at that. Some people just fluctuate in weight more. Some people can lose a lot of weight and then gain it all back the other day. And he used to always say, "I just can't do that. Like, I'm not a guy who can do that." But I think all of it, we just want to see who the best fighter is.

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:52:54Speaker 02

  We don't care about who's the best at dehydrating.

• 2:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Anything that hampers your ability should be removed from the equation, especially if it's something like this. But there's a solution. First of all, there's a real silliness to the MMA weight classes. And by I say silliness, our names that we use have been owned by boxing for more than 100 years. And the names that we use are for different weight classes than boxing uses. That's dumb.

• 2:53:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:21Joe Rogan?

  That is dumb as shit. Like, if you want to have a 170-pound champion, fantastic. But don't call it a welterweight, because welterweight is 147.

• 2:53:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:53:31Joe Rogan?

  It's been 147 for over 100 fucking years. The fact that you have a 147 champion, and you call that, or 145 champion, you call that a featherweight. Featherweight is 126. That's what it's been in boxing, forever. Lightweight has always been 135. That's what Julio Cesar Chavez was the champ of. 135. 135. Lightweight's 155 in the UFC? Like, come up with your own names.

• 2:53:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:56Joe Rogan?

  Why do we still have these stupid names?

• 2:53:58Speaker 02

  I've never thought about that. It's a good point.

• 2:53:59Joe Rogan?

  They attached these names to it when they first started developing weight classes, because it used to just be one weight class.

• 2:54:05Speaker 02

  Oh, another one on this, why, and I think you've mentioned this before, why am I not getting the leg reach?

• 2:54:11Joe Rogan?

  They do that sometimes.

• 2:54:12Speaker 02

  Do they?

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they do that.

• 2:54:13Speaker 02

  Because I've seen, like, but on the regular tail of the tape, it'll still just be reach. Where it's like, but in this, because that actually, for MMA, that's such a huge deal.

• 2:54:23Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:54:23Speaker 02

  Like, it's such a hu- because, oh, like, if you're-

• 2:54:25Joe Rogan?

  Because you're kicking.

• 2:54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you're in kicking range of me, but, you know what I mean? But you can't touch me, your jab doesn't matter as much as in boxing, you know?

• 2:54:33Joe Rogan?

  And some guys, they have really long legs for their torso. And like, my, my friend Larry, my friend Larry Jones from my Taekwondo days, he had this short torso. What is this?

• 2:54:43Speaker 03

  All those leg reaches longer than steeps.

• 2:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, that's crazy.

• 2:54:47Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 2:54:48Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Steve Bitt just has a way longer torso? That's nuts.

• 2:54:52Speaker 03

  The helps tip are the same size.

• 2:54:53Speaker 02

  Oh wow, yeah.

• 2:54:55Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Well, Aldo was such a good kicker. It's probably part of the reason why. Um, my friend Larry had this short torso, like really short torso, but he was like 6'3". And he was all legs. And he was this insane kicker. He was like a freak, like he was made in a lab. And when guys would fight him, like you'd see guys in tournaments fight him, they'd be like, what the fuck am I gonna do with this? Cause his reach was so nuts. And he was so fast with his kicks and you couldn't get anywhere close to him. If you were in his weight class and you were normally built.

• 2:55:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:55:23Joe Rogan?

  He was built, well, like, his torso was shorter than mine. But his crazy long legs and long arms. Like, some people are just built certain ways and for striking, it's a giant problem. Which is another thing that makes Iliad Toporia so fucking unbelievably impressive. He's not tall at all.

• 2:55:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, and he's just flatlining people.

• 2:55:42Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, Charles Olivera looked so much bigger than him in that fight.

• 2:55:46Joe Rogan?

  And so much bigger than Max, too. Olivera's big. It's like, look, the sport's fine. It's not, it's not in trouble. Sport's not in trouble. The heavyweight division's in trouble. The heavyweight division is kinda fucked. It's in a weird situation. The Alex Pereira thing is very interesting. Alex Pereira versus Cyril Gahn is very, very, very interesting. Cause Cyril Gahn is a problem. That guy's a problem. He's super athletic. He's really fast. He's super skillful with his striking. His Muay Thai is absolutely elite. And he does a lot of things different than what a lot of people do.

• 2:56:20Speaker 02

  And has anyone, cause even Francis, like I was saying before, grappled with him a lot in that fight. Obviously, Jon Jones took him down and choked him. But has anyone really stood toe to toe and beat him up?

• 2:56:31Joe Rogan?

  No. No, no one's beat him up toe to toe. Ty Tui Vasa went toe to toe with him and tried to, but he got lit up.

• 2:56:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:38Joe Rogan?

  Dude, Cyril Gahn is a problem.

• 2:56:40Speaker 02

  And even in the little bit, in the little bit with Tom Aspinall, it looked like he's tough. He's tough to fight like Batman.

• 2:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Not just tough, he was like getting off on Aspinall. And it didn't look good for Aspinall. I mean, it's very unfortunate that he got his eyes poked, I mean, that we really never got to see. See what happens if you drag cereal deep, deep water. What the way Tom would adjusted for the second round or third round.

• 2:57:01Speaker 02

  Which we've never really seen out of Tom either. It was very interesting when we got robbed of that, you know.

• 2:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we got robbed of that and poor Tom, he's had two fucking eye surgeries and then he felt like the UFC disrespected him. The whole thing's a mess.

• 2:57:12Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know about the UFC, but a lot of fans did disrespect him. I saw that, which is crazy. It is like, this is really stupid.

• 2:57:18Joe Rogan?

  We talked about this last night. It should be one point period if you poke someone in the eyes. If you poke someone in the eyes, one point. Well, especially if the fingers go in the eyes. If it's like a glancing thing like that, maybe get a warning. But in a nut shot, straight nut shot, one point. The glancing thing, maybe a warning. I think that could be up to the judge's discretion upon view of the replay.

• 2:57:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I, the thing is that, and we were talking about this last night. If you, so if you land a, a nut shot and it's, it's accidental, as it almost always is, you know what I mean? You're trying to throw an inside leg kick and.

• 2:57:53Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're Derrick Lewis.

• 2:57:54Speaker 02

  Well, okay, maybe not, I said almost, almost always. Uh, but so I just see this all the time in MMA. It's the first one, it was an accident. This guy gets kicked in the nuts. He needs a few minutes, usually they don't take the full, uh, five or whatever they're offered. And then you just go back. It's like, look, even if it was an accident, that's such an advantage to the guy who, who kicked him in the groin.

• 2:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you hurt him.

• 2:58:18Speaker 02

  You hurt this guy and now he's got to get back to it and there's no, so like, it does seem like there almost has to be some accounting for that. And there's, I think there's still, it's still a very young sport. I think there is still too much referee discretion. Like there's too much, like, there should be like an official rule for what we do in this situation.

• 2:58:36Joe Rogan?

  Especially those kind of fouls. It's like, doesn't exist in basketball, right?

• 2:58:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:58:40Joe Rogan?

  If somebody fouls somebody in basketball and everybody sees it, that, that's a foul.

• 2:58:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:58:45Joe Rogan?

  Right? And the, the crowd will go nuts, right? Usually. But it'd be like a real one, like throwing someone to the ground.

• 2:58:50Speaker 03

  I, I could show you examples. There are some fucking wild things that don't get called for whatever reason.

• 2:58:55Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think that's a little bit of the, the corrupt referees? I'm not saying all of them, but that, that is one thing that's been 100% proven is that referees do get paid off in order to influence. gambling lines.

• 2:59:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was that one referee who uh who confirmed that it was the um the um she's Sacramento Kings versus the Lakers, which was like a series that was like notoriously like everyone was like, yo, it was crazy. They didn't call any of these fouls on the Lakers and they called all these fouls. And then a ref came out and was like, oh, yeah, that's weird. And it does kind of make sense. Because it was the it was the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. You gotta get them in the finals, dude. It was big money.

• 2:59:34Joe Rogan?

  God, it's so gross.

• 2:59:35Speaker 03

  His defense weirdly was like, they didn't, no one told us what to do, but you kind of know what they want. So you sort of do it and then you keep keep putting on good games and you keep getting the good stuff.

• 2:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Hang them.

• 2:59:47Joe Rogan?

  Public hanging, fuck you.

• 2:59:48Speaker 02

  But we can deal, we can deal with Congress's insider trading, but basketball must be a fair.

• 2:59:53Joe Rogan?

  Bad judges hanging. Hang them, hang them all in front of the kingdom. All right, dude, uh, anything else before we wrap this up?

• 3:00:01Speaker 02

  Uh, no, thank you for letting a non-expert talk MMA with you so much.

• 3:00:05Joe Rogan?

  I love talking to non-experts.

• 3:00:08Speaker 02

  Dude, thank you so much for everything, as always, dude. You're the fucking man, I love you, dude.

• 3:00:12Joe Rogan?

  You're the fucking man, too. I love you, too. Uh, we'll have fun tonight, right? Uh, are you coming? You leaving? You gotta go. Damn, last night was fun, man.

• 3:00:19Speaker 02

  There was a lot of fun, there was a lot of fun.

• 3:00:21Joe Rogan?

  All right, bye, everybody.

• 3:00:37Speaker 00

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• 3:01:04Joe Rogan?

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• 3:01:22Speaker 06

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