#2370 - Dave Smith

Dave Smith is a comic, political commentator, host of the "Part of the Problem" podcast, and a co-host of the "Legion of Skanks” podcast.www.comicdavesmith.com Don’t miss out on all the action - Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up at https://dkng.co/rogan or with my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $300 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 9/29/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  So where is it to be Dave Smith?

• 0:13Speaker 03

  It's a little bit weird. It's weirder to be Joe Rogan.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  You think?

• 0:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's gotta be.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's weird to be any person in the public eye, but in this time, it's particularly weird. If you're like one of the only people, I mean, the media is so bizarrely compromised. It's so weird when you watch these narratives spin both on the left and on the right. And like, is anybody fucking rational? Is anybody looking at this so few that a comedian like yourself just rises to the top of the heap?

• 0:54Speaker 03

  Well, it's funny, dude, because so like, since the last time I was on, this has been kind of like the knock on me in a way now.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  Is that your comedian?

• 1:03Speaker 03

  You're just a comedian.

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  You're my emotional support comedian.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever been?

• 1:10Speaker 03

  It feels weird.

• 1:10Joe Rogan?

  An emotional support comedian?

• 1:11Speaker 03

  It feels weird doing this without Doug, to be honest. It seems kind of wrong, but that's been like the, essentially that's like the knock is like, yeah, but you're, you're acting like you're an expert, but you're just some comedian. And it's like, no, that's the point. That's always been the point. Like, yes, I'm just a comedian. I'm not an expert. And, and still, being not an expert, hand me your favorite Warhawk and I will tear them to shreds because it's actually not that hard. And like, these people aren't really experts either.

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, also the problem with that is these people that are talking about these things are talking about people not being experts while they're not experts.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50Joe Rogan?

  There's, you know, what does Doug have a degree in, English?

• 1:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, okay. Sam Harris is a neuroscientist. You know, there's all these different people who have, you know, expertise in one area that is pretty much outside geopolitical, you know, world politics and...

• 2:08Joe Rogan?

  International relations and chaos and war and the military industrial complex like these are very complex sophisticated nuanced discussions that you have to have when you're talking about these things because there's so many different factors at play. There's so much money. There's so much bullshit in terms of like, what's the truth? What's the narrative? Who's pushing the narrative? Who's being paid to push the narrative? Which is really weird. There's so many of these fucking online influencers that I don't even think are really human beings that have like prominent accounts.

• 2:41Speaker 03

  Yep. Yep. But then there's also it's it's a convenient kind of way to dismiss somebody.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  Of course, instead of addressing the facts.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Well, I thought it was this just I thought was really funny to me was that so like a few days after the last time after me and Douglas Murray debated on the show, he went on Bill Maher's show. And so it's like after having this whole thing, the whole 45 minutes opening the show about how you comedians don't know what you're talking about. Says don't know what you're talking about while he's smearing two people who he's never heard of and doesn't even know what they do or whatever, but not the best way to make an appeal to expertise. But no, he doesn't have a problem with Bill Maher doing it because he agrees with him. So the issue isn't really being an expert versus being a comedian. You know, Konstantin Kassin went on this whole thing about expertise and all of this. And it's

• 3:30Speaker 03

  like, he also started as a comedian. Why? Why all of a sudden does the standard only apply to me and only when I'm talking about Israel? It never it never applied to me when I was talking about COVID. It never applied to me when they agreed with me on stuff. They would just go, look, Dave breaking it down. But now there's this one topic that one guy is not allowed to not be an expert on. And it happens to be this one topic that the entire like population is turning on. I shouldn't say the entire, but like huge numbers.

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  When someone attacks like what you do professionally versus what you're actually saying.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:04Joe Rogan?

  Why not just? Dispute what he's saying, instead of like this appeal to authority.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  You're not, you're not an expert.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  But also, you know, to ask, to ask that question is to answer that question.

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  You can only ask me a few things in life that I can give you like definitive answers on. And even then, I, I might have to refer to expert, like if you want to ask me about judo. I've been doing jujitsu for, since 90, I think I started in 97, somewhere around then, 96, maybe? I don't know shit about judo. I know how to do a few hip tosses, but when someone is doing something, I, I don't even know what it's called. If I go haragoshi, I might get it wrong. Cause haragoshi might be legs on the outside versus leg in the inside. Wrestling, I gotta defer to DC. You know, so even in martial arts, I'm not totally an expert.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then there might be somebody who is like totally an expert, like, like say, uh, you know, a wrestler who went to the Olympics.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  And with like total expert, or a coach or something like that, total expert in wrestling, and they could still get something about MMA completely off.

• 5:15Joe Rogan?

  Or jujitsu. It happened in the last fight, in the last UFC card. Daniel Cormier didn't know about the dead Orchard. So he thought this person was fine, cause they had two arms in while they're caught in a triangle. I go, no, this is a real submission. This is fucking dangerous. Like, there's this guy Nathan Orchard, who figured out how to do a triangle with two arms in, and it's replicable. A lot of guys do it now. And I think it was a lady at the last UFC had it. And I was like, oh shit, and Daniel didn't know it yet. There's a couple of other things, like the buggy choke. If you don't know about jujitsu, and you see a guy who's on his back and he's getting smothered, but all of a sudden he reaches under with his leg, and I'm going, oh, oh, oh, and you don't know what's going on, like, that's a fucking choke, like a really dangerous one.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  Tai Rua Tolo gets you in that, you're fucksville. You know, there's guys, so it's like, there's areas of expertise, even in areas that I'm an expert in, that I have to call on other people. Like, this is a stupid argument. Like, what are the facts? Does that submission work? Is that genocide? Like, what, what is, you know, what's going on? Were you funding Hamas? Is, is Hezbollah a proxy of Iran? Did Iran get the money to do this when Biden released the funds? Because, what?

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  Who's allowed to be an expert on all these things?

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then, of course, then there are things like, say, um, say like, uh, do you support lockdowns? And like, in order to have, say, an expert opinion on this policy, it's like, okay, well, you'd be like, they'd say, "We're following the science." You know, so in other words, they have an epidemiologist or something like that who's arguing lockdowns will, will cut down on the transmission of the virus. Forget they turned out to be wrong, but leaving that aside, you're like, okay, but are they also an economist? Are they also a specialist? A sociologist, a specialist in childhood development who would tell you what closing the schools? Oh, who is the person who has expertise in every single one of those fields? Doesn't exist. There isn't an expert in all of those fields. You know what I mean?

• 7:18Joe Rogan?

  That was the problem with that time, because that time, everyone was so fearful. And the news is pushing fear, and it was clearly a narrative. I forget who it was, but some, some health official was being interviewed recently and he said that during 2020, that Anthony Fauci said to him, "The problem is Americans aren't scared enough." Which is crazy to say. It's a wild thing to say that your goal is to make people more fearful, so you're trying to put out a narrative that makes people more fearful, which, by the way, fucks with your immune system in a gigantic way. Not good at all to be scared. I don't know how many people got really, really, really sick from COVID, because when they got it, they freaked the fuck out and they couldn't sleep and they thought they

• 8:03Joe Rogan?

  were gonna die and they were riddled with anxiety, and that makes you attack people around you, and then you look for a solution. And when these trusted institutions, which up until five fucking years ago, I was 100% on board with, with everything, with vaccines, with every medical innovation, other than psychiatric medications, which I think are pretty much over-prescribed. All of a sudden, everyone's like hoping these people have the answer. So anybody who's like, but there's this guy Jay Batataria, you know, he's also an expert. No, no, fuck you. Fuck you. It's like anti-science, trust the science, COVID denier, vaccine denier. It's just became this fearful response because everybody just responded to the fucking media

• 8:46Joe Rogan?

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• 11:36Speaker 03

  Well, you have to scare people. You know, if you wanna, if you wanna implement like a tyrannical policy, you almost always have to scare people. I mean, that's now.

• 11:43Joe Rogan?

  It's the only way.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. Now, everyone knows, right? Like you just said, like being terrified is not good for your health. That on a human level, we also all know that it's not good for good decision making, you know? But it is excellent for, I will turn my brain off and give the authority to you.

• 12:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  To go do, I mean, look, it was a right after nine 11. If you, you know, people forget about this, but like the level to which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush used to fear monger. Dick Cheney, the Vice President of the United States of America, who is a bit more than just your average Vice President. He said, it's not a matter of if, but when there will be another nine 11 attack. They built, they were trying to tell the American people right after nine 11 to be in a constant state of fear.

• 12:29Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the COVID warnings where they had colors? Or excuse me, the war, the terror warning where they had colors?

• 12:36Speaker 03

  The threat level or whatever. Yeah. And then one day they'd be like, it's up to yellow.

• 12:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  And I mean, we were really still traumatized from nine 11. But the thing about it is, is that they knew what they wanted to do. They knew the, the policy they wanted to start embarking on. And it was the mix of. They hate us, the big lie, which was they hate us for our freedom. Which was like, really the big lie after nine eleven was like, cuz, cuz the American people very organically wanted to know what the beef was. Like nine eleven happened, everybody was like, yo, why do they hate us?

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  What's this beef about? And their answer was, they hate you for your freedom, and by the way, this is gonna happen again. So be terrified. Second off, understand that they're so irrational, that their beef with you is that like, your grandma can go to the grocery store. So, what do you do with that, other than say, what the American people said, which is George W. Bush, you have a blank check to go attack whoever you want to, and we'll support you.

• 13:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I remember feeling that way. I remember feeling that way. Right? I remember feeling, it's up to these fucking guys, these hard-nosed generals and military leaders that are, these are the guys that are gonna protect us now. We gotta put all our faith in them, this shit is real, and it's going on. But I had no idea. This is, so two thousand and one, I wasn't that much of a conspiracy theorist. I was into UFOs. I was into Bigfoot. I was into stupid shit. You know, I was into fun stupid shit.

• 14:02Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 14:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, me and Eddie Bravo would get high and watch space documentaries and freak out about aliens, you know, the stupid shit. But then the Patriot Act came along. And I was like, okay. What the fuck is this? Like, what is, what does indefinite detention mean? When they signed the NDAA, you're like, what? Wait a minute, what are you talking about? What is the Munt, what, it rhymes with cunt? That, the act that Obama passed in two thousand and fifteen that allowed them to use censorship, or excuse me, propaganda on American citizens?

• 14:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:34Joe Rogan?

  Smith Munt, is that what it was?

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Something like that, yep.

• 14:36Joe Rogan?

  It's like, okay. But, at what point in time do I start getting really fucking suspicious?

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, I, I had read one book a long time ago that really fucked me up. This book called Best Evidence, about the Kennedy assassination. And unfortunately, I read it right before I went on stage.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  I was by myself, I was in Philadelphia and I was headlining and this is like when I was just starting to headline, right? And so, uh, had a show Thursday, killed, everything's great, went back to my hotel room, nothing to do, read this fucking book for like six hours, freaked the fuck out. Showed up at the show like ashen faced, like, oh my god, they killed the president. Like, I had never even considered that before that book.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  I never even thought that there's like secret government agencies that plot against the president, like, I thought, I thought, that's the fucking man and everybody works together and Lee Harvey Oswald was a nut and he fucking shot him and I'm like, oh my god. And I bombed, I fucking bombed and I apologized to the staff, I apologized to the manager, I go, listen, I, I fucked up and I read this book right before I got here and it really fucked me up. It's done that before, man, I've had-

• 15:44Speaker 03

  You need, when you have your mind blown like that, you need time after that before you make it funny.

• 15:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Like, it takes, it takes time to like then almost come back to it a few months later.

• 15:54Joe Rogan?

  You should never engage in that kind of stuff, like, right before you go on stage, it's terrible. Anything real and ominous and do- so I had a second show and it went great. But I was like, okay, I can't ever do that again, but that started me. But that was just peripheral, it was just the JFK thing, I thought I was only interested in that. I didn't get into Nixon, I didn't get into Vietnam, I didn't get into any of that stuff. But September 11th, 2001, in the beginning, it was wonderful. After the attack, everyone was so friendly. It's terrible that this thing happened, it's terrible that these people died. But it made me think, like, we need, every now and then, we need to get bitch slapped.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like when you see people like getting in people's faces for like waving an American flag, fuck you fascist, fuck- A bitch slap every now and then, like, that guy might go, fuck him, what was I doing? I just ran up to that veteran and I got in his face because I want to impress my lesbian girlfriend, like- Fuck is wrong with me? I don't know how to fight. I know I got a concussion and this guy bitch slapped me. It's on TikTok. Fuck. You know, like you need that sometimes just as like a course reset. And I felt like as a country, we hadn't been doing shady shit all around the world forever. And there's real war happening everywhere, but we're super lucky because we're separated by oceans and not too much has really happened here. Oh my God, this is real. And everybody had an American flag on their fucking car.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  And when I was in New York City afterwards, we were filming Fear Factor one day. And everyone was so cool and firemen were rock stars.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  Cops were rock stars. Everybody was thanking them. Everybody was thanking them for their service. It was great. We hung out with these firemen in front of this bar, me and the the Fear Factor crew. These guys were fucking, it's like I was hanging out with Brad Pitt. It was nuts. Everybody was so thankful. Where'd that go?

• 17:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was there. Uh, I was in New York City, uh, on nine eleven and um, I remember, so I was in in Brooklyn, like only a few miles from the World Trade Center and like-

• 17:55Joe Rogan?

  Did you physically see it?

• 17:56Speaker 03

  No, I saw, so I remember seeing, you know, I think, so I, when I got out of school, I was in high school, I was a senior in high school. And we, we got out. One of the girls like forged a note. Uh, and said it was from our parents or something like that. I forget exactly how it, but we got out. It was like, I was friends with the security guard. I used to buy weed from him. It was a different time. Uh, but you know, it was a different time. Pre nine eleven, we were just all hanging out, buying weed from the security guards at schools. Um, but so he let us out. So I remember we, I'm pretty sure when we came to Flatbush Ave, we saw like it was, there was smoke in the air, but both the towers had had fallen by the time we got out. But there were people, so the subways had been out for a while.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  And where I was, I was like on Flatbush Avenue, if if anyone knows Brooklyn, it's like Flatbush and Seventh Avenue. So this is like, it's kind of a straight shoot down to the Manhattan Bridge and then the Brooklyn Bridge is is down there too. But the Brooklyn Bridge you can walk over. And so at this point already, people who were down in the financial district had just decided to walk back to Brooklyn because they realized they weren't going to get a cab or get on the subway. And so you'd see just like one guy in a suit and tie, covered in soot, head to toe. Like walking up like, oh, he must have just been down there and and walked up. And, but I remember, now this is in Brooklyn, but even there it was very busy, but- People were stopping and asking each other, people who you would pass on the street but never talk to, were stopping and asking, "Everyone, how's your family? Everyone okay?

• 19:21Speaker 03

  All right? Are you fine?" Like, there was this, like, community spirit that you just didn't, you don't typically get in New York City, because there's just too many people, you can't talk to everybody.

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:29Speaker 03

  But that, that part of it was kind of beautiful, and then, of course, governments do what they do, and immediately manipulated that into launching wars that they wanted from before 9/11, that had absolutely nothing to do with, with 9/11.

• 19:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Um, which is, you know-

• 19:43Joe Rogan?

  Also, the Patriot Act was a bunch of shit they had tried to pass-

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:46Joe Rogan?

  -for a while, for years, and everyone's like, "What are you fucking crazy?"

• 19:51Speaker 03

  Well, this is the thing, and I guess maybe it's partly like my age, because I was 18 at the time, and this is like my coming-of-age, you know, time-

• 19:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:58Speaker 03

  But I will never stop being furious about all of that shit, and this is like, still to this day, I'm sure you, you see it when I'm on podcasts with you and doing debates and stuff, but I'm so angry over the war in Iraq and, and the subsequent wars and, you know-

• 20:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Libya and Syria and Somalia and Yemen and all of them, but specifically because, like, all these guys, the neoconservatives, the, the N-word, that I'm not supposed to bring up, even though, by the way, Douglas Murray wrote a book called Neoconservatism: Why We Need It, but when I say the word neoconservatism, be careful what you're watering here, or something like that.

• 20:33Joe Rogan?

  Is that what they say?

• 20:34Speaker 03

  They, uh-

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know that this was an issue, that you, you can't discuss neoconservatism?

• 20:39Speaker 03

  Well, that's, Douglas said, when I was on with him, he said, "Ah, the N-word."

• 20:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Uh, when I brought it up, and then said, "I'm, I'm watering something because I mentioned Wolfowitz," uh, you know-

• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that's antisemitism-

• 20:49Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 20:50Joe Rogan?

  -he's leaning into, well, that's kind of ridiculous.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:52Joe Rogan?

  You're talking about something incredibly important.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Well-

• 20:54Joe Rogan?

  Like, neoconservatism, why would that be a thing that you can't discuss? That sounds crazy.

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• 22:28Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I'd say the answer is that those guys got into power. They really hijacked American foreign policy after 9/11 because they happened to all be in power in the Bush administration. Then 9/11 happened on their watch. And but if you go back and read the shit they read, and I will never stop talking about this because it's just too goddamn crazy. But if you read all of these guys, the guys who were in the George W. Bush administration, I mean, like the signators on the Project for a New American Century, which was their think tank, the PNC, as it's called, were like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz and Fife and Richard Pearl and David Wormser and the whole group who took over the government were all. And they wrote explicitly in the Project for a New American Century that they were like,

• 23:12Speaker 03

  look, okay, the Soviet Union has collapsed. We are, for the first time in human history, like the lone superpower in the world. So what we should do right now is fight multiple wars because no one threatens us. And so therefore, we should fight multiple wars to right now. We have an opportunity to remake the world, overthrow the Old Soviet sock puppet states install our own states there and guarantee as the name says the new American century of dominance, the 21st century. And they specifically said they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein. And then they specifically said in, and now this is something that the 911 truthers really held on to. I'm not sure. I think they might be overplaying their hand a little bit here, but they say there's one document in the project for a new American century. You can find it online.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Where they straight up say, they go, now, look, this is what we want to do. But we're unlikely to get mass American support for it short of another Pearl Harbor type event. And so a lot of people like Alex Jones and a lot of the 911 truthers would point to this phrase and go, see, this is the proof. That they knew they needed another Pearl Harbor, so they planned their own Pearl Harbor. Now, that is not necessarily true. It doesn't necessarily prove that. But it certainly does change the way you think about their mind state. When they sit there watching the towers get attacked and they all, at the very least, they all went, we got it.

• 24:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, Alex Jones predicted 911 in July?

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's not quite as, it's not quite as unique as I think some people think it is.

• 24:46Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 24:46Speaker 03

  Well, like people, so like

• 24:48Joe Rogan?

  You ever hear how he said it?

• 24:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've heard. I've heard the clip. It was pretty good. I mean, I'm not like taking anything away from that. He was right, but there were a bunch of people who predicted it. Ron Paul, uh, himself predicted it perfectly.

• 24:58Joe Rogan?

  Predict planes into the towers?

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Let's just say, no, I don't know about that. That is pretty impressive, but at the same time, you know,

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  But planes had never flown into towers before.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  That's true, but the World Trade Center was attacked by Al Qaeda guys in 93.

• 25:13Joe Rogan?

  It's in a Biggie song.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Adrian Appalucci has the funniest joke about that. I believe so. Do you ever hear Adrian's joke about that? I don't want to butcher it on your show, but Adrian Appalucci is a hilarious comedian. But she had a joke about how, you know, in that song where Biggie goes, time to get paid, blow up like the world trade. But they bleep world trade now. And then her bit is how they didn't bleep, like he was talking about the first one. But they bleep it because of the second, you know, because the towers came down. But then her bit is just like, you go like, that wasn't enough of a tragedy to make it bleep. It's like a funny, it's like only a few people died. Like it was cool. But then a lot of people died. They were, she phenomenal joke writer.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was a different time. Back then they would have never bleeped anything. They didn't bleep the N word. They didn't bleep anything.

• 25:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was, uh, the Wild West.

• 25:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's weird when you hear about. So, I don't know if I fully buy into any of this, but as a caveat before I get rolling. But, uh, when people discuss the intelligence agencies and their role in hip-hop, especially gangsta rap. Like, I remember the very first time I listened to NWA. And, uh, I think I told Ice Cube when he was here, I was on a fucking Stairmaster in Revere, Massachusetts, and I was listening to Fuck the Police. I was like, fuck the police, coming straight from the underground. I was like, what is this? This is, I was a cassette Walkman, or maybe it was a CD, but it was probably a cassette Walkman. And I was like doing, getting my cardio.

• 26:43Speaker 03

  They were better for working out, they didn't skip.

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  The, the, they got good with the CD after a while, it didn't skip. But you had to set it on, you had to set it on the treadmill.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  And you had to hit that like shock mode thing? And then that would eat your battery so quickly though. Like, you'd get three songs in and be like, alright. You have to go to the gym with like spare batteries?

• 27:01Joe Rogan?

  Still, to me, it was so insane that I could carry music with me to the gym. Like, that's incredible. Because you'd go to the gym and it'd be like the worst Poison song playing, no disrespect to Poison. Or something like, god, I can't get into this. I'm trying to get pumped here, man. This is fucking bullshit music. Like, someone's in charge of the, you know, the, the station that they pick on the radio. Just to be able to carry it. But I, that moment of hearing that music, I was like, this is the, this is celebrating crime and murder? Like, this is nuts. And murdering prostitutes and like, this is crazy that this is like a major record label put this out. And I was only 21. And I was, you know, I was just sitting there going, I can't even believe this is real.

• 27:44Joe Rogan?

  And then I got really into it, like, I really into Ice Cube, really into Ice-T. I'd listen to that when I was delivering newspapers. It was like, gangsta rap was like a completely different thing. So then, cut to, when people start digging into it. Like, intelligence agencies have had, there's a weird book on intelligence agencies and their role in rock and roll music in the 1960s. The movie about, the book about Laurel Canyon, what is it, Strange Things? It's very interesting. I don't know if I buy it. Eddie Bravo's all in on it. I don't know if I buy it, but there's a lot of like weird connections to the intelligence community and music, particularly hip hop and particularly gangster rap.

• 28:25Joe Rogan?

  And if you want to get really dark, you would say, if you want to fill your private prisons up, what better way than have very popular music encouraging prisons, or excuse me, encouraging crime, encouraging outright, celebrating crime and violence. That way you fill your prisons up and you also keep people scared. So you can give them more laws and more rules and crack down and make them easier to placate, easier to get them to fall in line and do what you need them to do.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, and support massive police buildups and massive, you know, like militarization of the police and all this stuff. And I don't know, you know, I've heard a little bit about that. I really don't know. I know Ice Cube has talked about it before, like talked about how like there's undeniably this influence. It does, there are some things about it that seem crazy. But I do know that, and I don't even think this is a controversial thing to say. I think this is just like fact at this point, that it was the Reagan administration who did traffic in cocaine to the United States of America while they were ramping up the war on drugs. So like they're bringing in, in their effort to help the Contras or whatever, they're going like, okay, well, these guys are drug dealers. So if we move these drugs in, we can get these money shipments to them.

• 29:43Speaker 03

  And then you're sitting in there, they're creating the conditions for the crack epidemic to explode. And then they catch one guy with a few rocks on him and they're throwing him in jail for decades. It's like just that alone, just that one piece of information. You'd almost, if you're like in a sane world, you'd go like, oh, so the people had a revolution and overthrew that government and publicly hung all the politicians involved. And then we started over from new. And you're like, no, no, they lionized that guy. Still for decades afterwards, the Republicans at the RNC, you bring up Reagan and they go, our hero Ronald Reagan. Like the fact that that isn't enough to go, well, this guy should be remembered like as a monster.

• 30:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they tell Reagan that they're selling crack in the hood? I don't think they do. I do not think, I don't, do not think the intelligence agencies let that information that far up the chain to a guy who's only in there for four years, four years to get re-elected.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Fair enough.

• 30:38Joe Rogan?

  Not a chance.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  But George H. W. Bush definitely knew.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah, he knew. That guy knew. He fucking, he fucking signed the docket.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  That guy was all over that, yeah.

• 30:47Joe Rogan?

  He was all over, he was the head of the CIA.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  He was their guy. He was the head of the CIA. Moved in, right. So, you know, but, but again, also, you get to a certain point when you're president, I think this applies to Donald Trump in a lot of ways too, where it's like, it's your responsibility. Like, if you didn't know, then that's your responsibility for not knowing.

• 31:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you have an access. I do not. I do not think in cases like that you have access. I think if they're doing something like selling crack in the hood and using the money to fund the Contras, there's no fucking way you could ever kosherize that. So I don't think you ever let the president know. I think this is all black-funded. I don't think, I think there's layers and layers and layers of bureaucracy before you can get to any real data and information.

• 31:34Joe Rogan?

  If you want to talk about people that are doing operations in Nicaragua, you've got things going on in Iran, you've got to pay attention to Russia, this is happening here, that's happening there, there's not a fucking chance he knows they're selling crack to pay for an army. I just don't, I just don't think they would tell him.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Look, you might be right about that.

• 31:52Joe Rogan?

  Because why would they assume that he'd go along with it?

• 31:54Speaker 03

  Or tell him.

• 31:55Joe Rogan?

  This is not a normal thing to do. I, I came into this office thinking, I'm an actor. I'm Ronald Reagan. I came into this office thinking, I'm gonna be a good American and we're gonna get back to basics and hard work and trickle-down economics. And you're telling me you're selling crack? Hey, fuck you, you're going to jail. You know what I'm saying?

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, well.

• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  Because he can't, that's how Nixon got caught. So Nixon didn't organize Watergate, he tried to cover it up.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  That's how he got caught. And they would do the same thing with Reagan.

• 32:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  You want to come clean about all the crack selling? Do you really?

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Right, well, they, they could present it to them after it's a fait accompli and then be like, so what do you want to do now? Which is what happened with Nixon, right? So it's like, look, this is gonna look really, really bad. Good luck explaining this.

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  So he helps them cover it up, and then you go. Now we got you.

• 32:38Joe Rogan?

  We got you.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Now, you might as well have been in on planning it, because you helped us cover it up.

• 32:42Joe Rogan?

  And the whole thing was set up by the government. That's what's really crazy. His intelligence agencies set up Watergate. They operated it. Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent before he was ever a reporter. That was his first gig. Tucker Carlson told me that. It blew my fucking mind. He's like, what rookie reporter for their first gig, their first story gets, you're gonna take down the most popular president in US history?

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:07Joe Rogan?

  He won by the biggest margin.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  Forty-nine states.

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  He's a dominant real- the American people had spoken, they supported this guy. And then, right, Bob Woodward, some twenty-something-year-old reporter, he gets the biggest story in American history. He happened to just come out of naval intelligence in a weird coincidence.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  Did I tell you what Bill Murray told me?

• 33:26Speaker 03

  No.

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  So Bill Murray was on the podcast, and he was talking about Bob Woodward's movie.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:32Joe Rogan?

  The book he wrote. What was it? What was it called?

• 33:36Speaker 03

  Well, he's written a lot at this point.

• 33:37Joe Rogan?

  The one about Belushi. What was it called? I've never read that. Wired. Okay, it was just about Belushi being fucking crazy drug addict. He goes, "That's not my friend." He goes, "That's not how he was." He was like, "That was kind of an act. He was a little bit of a lightweight." Like, if he had like two, three drinks, he was drunk. Like, he goes, "I think he did that speedball. I think that's the first time he ever did it and died."

• 34:01Joe Rogan?

  It's not that he'd never done drugs before, but he wasn't this guy. So this was all fiction. So he read the first five pages, and he goes, "Oh my god, they framed Nixon."

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? He's like, "This guy wrote about my friend in such a distorted, untruthful way.

• 34:21Joe Rogan?

  Now I have to think about what he discovered with Nixon."

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:23Joe Rogan?

  Now I know what kind of person this is.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I- my, uh, good friend, who I mentioned quite a bit, but Scott Horton, who is, uh, the, I think, the best foreign policy voice in the United States of America, and he's written, he wrote the best book on the terror wars called Enough Already, and the best book on the war in Ukraine called Provoked. But so while, so Bob Woodward's latest book came out, and I remember, he told me about this. But so he just happened to be writing his book on Ukraine when he saw this new Bob Woodward book came out. And they had a quote in it, I believe it was a Sergey Lavrov quote, who's like Putin's, you know, right-hand man. And Scott said he's reading it, and he goes, "This quote's all wrong." He goes, the, the actual quote, like I was, he was just researching this for his book. And he goes, the quote means the exact opposite of what he's claiming it means here. Like, see how he left out this part?

• 35:09Speaker 03

  He wasn't referring to this, he was referring to that. And then he just, I remember he just told me, he goes like, so for the record, like, you can just never trust anything Bob Woodward says because he'll take this quote and just get it, come, mangle it to the point where it, he's presenting it as if it means 180 degrees opposite of what the quote actually meant. And so, yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that. And then that guy is like, the historian of record.

• 35:31Joe Rogan?

  Would you have ever imagined that? When, all the years when I was growing up, that guy was like a hero.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:36Joe Rogan?

  He was like a journalistic hero.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Well, and he's how we know. He's how you know that in that moment, Dick Cheney turned to George W. Bush and said, "Mr. President, I think we need to..." And then you're like, "Oh." But he just makes shit up.

• 35:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God. Like, when I was a kid, you know, they made a movie about him. All the President's Men is a movie. Where, who plays Bob Woodward? What movie star plays Bob Woodward? Which one of them? Was it Robert Redford or was it the other guy? Who's, who else was in that movie with him? Who played Bernstein?

• 36:12Speaker 03

  Dustin Hoffman.

• 36:12Joe Rogan?

  That's right. That's right.

• 36:13Speaker 05

  Robert Redford's Woodward.

• 36:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so imagine that. You're, uh, you're Bob Woodward, you bullshit everybody, then you get to watch Robert Redford, the most handsome man alive, play in a movie, like, outstanding. Look how good looking I am. Look at me kicking ass for America.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  But also, just think about how much they could get. I remember, I don't know what, I, I was in school and I remember hearing, like, my history teacher talking to another teacher, and this was when Bill Clinton was, uh, getting in trouble for Monica Lewinsky. So I was like in, in middle school or whatever. And I remember hearing them talk, and one of them said to the other one, he goes, "So, so what do you think about the impeachment?" Or something. And I remember my history teacher, I thought was a pretty smart guy, and he goes, "Well, you know, they're treating him like he's Nixon, but he's not Nixon." And essentially what that meant, like what he was saying was like, well Nixon is the most corrupt president who ever lived. Bill Clinton just got caught cheating on his wife, like that's not as big a deal as being the most corrupt.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  But they just made that like the thing that everybody knows, like, well, we did have this one corrupt president, but the system works. That's the lesson, the system works and it got him out of there.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  Before the internet, it works. I think it's like very hard to make that same system work the same way now.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  No, I completely agree. I mean to say that the narrative that everybody accepted was like, oh, but the system works. Like it figured out that he was corrupt. They had him step down, they got him out of there, when really the answer is much more like the intelligence agencies took over the United States of America in a hostile coup against John F. Kennedy. And then Nixon comes in like a few years later and is like essentially taken over as well, but they get the American people to believe that like what that was, was a corrupt president being ousted.

• 38:00Joe Rogan?

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• 39:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, he's not a good looking guy and it was just after Kennedy, look, when Muhammad Ali retired, Larry Holmes couldn't get any love, couldn't get any love. And one of the reasons why Larry Holmes is one of the best heavyweight champions of all time, couldn't get any love is because he beat the fuck out of Muhammad Ali. And everybody was sad and everybody hated him because of that. And you just, you're, you're never, like, if you're Nixon and you're following JFK who got shot in the fucking head. We lost, we got assassinate, uh, someone assassinated the greatest president of all time, this good looking guy, who was gonna really change things and didn't believe in secrecy and

• 40:08Joe Rogan?

  was talking to the American people like we have hope and dreams, he wants to put us on the moon, and he got shot in the head, now we got this ugly fuck?

• 40:16Speaker 03

  Well, there was LBJ in between there at least, but yes, no, I mean, well, I think also in hindsight, he just, his, he, it's, he wasn't that good looking, he also came off as kind of an evil figure.

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  Very authoritarian, you know, which is, unfortunately, when you have a society where you do have ubiquitous crime, you do need some kind of an authoritarian leadership. Not saying you need tyranny, not saying you need a dictator, but you need fucking laws and you need rule of law and sometimes those people come off very harsh and very uncaring and unloving and, you know, the total opposite for like, the reason why people voted for Jimmy Carter, I think. Because Jimmy Carter represented like, like a genuinely sweet, good guy. But like, look how, that president, he was a disaster, because they were all working against him, for sure.

• 41:11Joe Rogan?

  And on top of that, it's like hard, you like, you gotta, gotta be a bit of a hard ass if you want to run the world. But the way Nixon did it, we're still suffering through that today. That motherfucker, he, he's partially responsible for that sweeping Schedule One Act of 1970. When they did that and they made everything illegal, everything Schedule One, including things that are 100% Medicinal, like marijuana. All that fucked up society and they did it specifically to target the anti-war movement and to target the civil rights movement. Specifically, so it's not like Nixon was the best.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  What he did was fucking horrible.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Nixon had a lot of policy failures and, and I would put the number one, and I completely agree with you, I mean launching the war on drugs was a disaster. But taking us off the gold standard was one of the worst policy decisions in the history of the United States of America. That is, we're, we're, so many of the problems we face now is because of that. And people could say like, I've heard Pat Buchanan defend Nixon on this before. Pat Buchanan was in the Nixon administration, he was a speechwriter for him. Um, and he was like, well, look, what were we gonna do at that point? And so he was basically saying, cause what happened was essentially, so you had like the, um, the Bretton Woods agreement. Which started, uh, started after World War Two. Or actually, I'm sorry, it started at the very end of World War Two, it was in 1944.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  Where they had the Bretton Woods agreement, where they could kind of see where World War Two was going. And it was basically like, okay, well, the, all of Europe is destroyed. And a lot of Asia is destroyed, or not yet, I guess it's 44, but it was getting there. And the, and America had, you know, at least on the homeland, hadn't really been touched. And we had like a wild amount of the world's gold. And so the deal was essentially that like, we will peg the dollar to gold at $35 an ounce. Everyone else can peg their currency to the dollar. And then the dollars are refundable, you know, you can get an ounce for $35.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  And so that, you know, was whatever, there were, there were problems with the Bretton Woods agreement, but that was what stood from after World War Two. Into, so from 1944 to 1973, or 1971, when he took us off the gold standard. And so essentially what happened was through the 60s, we started cheating.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  And it became very obvious to the world that we were like, you know, the 1960s, you're like, you have the great society. So we created Medicare and Medicaid and they, we went to the moon and we were fighting the war in Vietnam and we're just printing money for all of this, which is, you know, what we still do to this day. But so essentially the Europeans started looking at us and they were like, I don't think you got enough gold to cover all these dollars that you're printing around. Wasn't that a thing where they were gonna like do an audit of Fort Knox that we never heard about? Well, what I know is that I'm pretty sure it was the French, might have been the British too, but it was definitely the French. The French basically called our bluff and they just went, uh, okay, we'll take gold. You know, we got all these dollars. We'll

• 44:20Speaker 03

  take gold. We get an ounce for every 35 dollars that we have and we have quite a lot. And that's when Nixon went, no, no, he just basically defaulted in front of the entire world. And he said, he's temporarily suspending the convertibility of dollars into gold. And they framed it as like, you know, the, the French are attacking the stability of the dollar. Really all they were doing was calling us on our agreement. We owed it to them. We're like, we got so much gold, bro. So Pat Buchanan says, defending his boy, Richard Nixon, he goes, well, what were we gonna do at that point? Let them clean us out of all of our gold and just not be the dominant power. But I think the retort to that is, yeah, like, that's what you should

• 45:04Speaker 03

  have done because the decision to go off of the gold standard essentially just said, well, now there's no more even pretend limits on government. You know, this is why Ron Paul, who, happy birthday to the greatest living American hero, just turned, just turned 90. And I was just at his birthday party a few weeks ago and Damn, you partying with Ron Paul? Dude, that dude throws it down. No, I'm just kidding. It was, it was very nice though to see him. Tulsi Gabbard was there, which was cool. But so, so essentially, right? That was the last restraint on government is that at least even then, even under Bretton Woods, when we're cheating, at least there's some feeling of like, well, don't cheat too bad because they could maybe Try to, you know, like Count the gold. Right, exactly. Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  But after that, it was off to the races. And this is why, this is why Ron Paul ran for Congress. It was when Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard. And then he was like, this is going to lead to big government. This is going to be the era of big government. So he was going to run to try to stop that. And he was completely right. You know, this is what has really destroyed everything. Is that there's just no, and it's a big part of the reason why I'm so angry about all these wars too. Cause it's all related. Um, you know, the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. Or the Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by Woodrow Wilson in 1913. And then in 1914, I think is when it actually got up and running. And in 1914 is when the income tax was passed, also signed into law by Woodrow Wilson. And three years later is World War One.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  You know, like three years or American entry into World War One. So it's like, this is the, the banking system and the tax system are very like interrelated with the warfare state. Like you need this stuff in order to fight wars. And, you know, even just over the, whatever it's over the last 25 years, we've spent close to 10 trillion dollars on wars. You know, and they don't, they, they didn't tax the American people for that. And they know they couldn't tax us enough to pay, we would put an end to it. If they tried to raise everybody's taxes enough to come up with 10 trillion dollars. Cause we want to go fight regime change wars all over the Middle East. The American people would have been like, no, we're not doing that. But they didn't do that. They kept taxes where they were.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  I think they even cut some rates during those years, the top rates. Um, and then they borrowed the rest and that's, they still couldn't borrow enough. So they just print the money. And then essentially what happens is that the price of everything just goes up and up and up. And that, that you just put more money into the system. And then people start looking around and going like, geez, why is the price of housing and healthcare and energy and childcare totally unaffordable? And the answer is, cause you're paying for the war in Iraq. And nobody thinks about it like that. But that's really what's going on. They can't, so for all the young people who are coming out of college now, and they're like, I'm 150. Grand in debt. I have a gender studies major degree or whatever, you know, maybe something better than that.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  But they got an English degree or something and they're working at DoorDash. And the average house is going for 600 grand. And they're like, what am I possibly gonna do? It's like, the reason why these kids are all demanding socialism, at least on the left, is because like, what else are you gonna do? But like, how do you? But the reason why that is the case is because your government decided to spend trillions of dollars on blowing up brown countries. And in some cases, then rebuilding them to blow them up again. I mean, this is, this is the actual cost of the thing. And I feel like it's, um, the, almost nobody outside of like the Ron Paul libertarians, the Austrian economics guys, almost nobody else ever makes this connection.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  That it's like, this is the, the deal. You can't be a world empire without having a central bank that can print money for you. Cause otherwise it just doesn't work. Resources are finite and you'll run out of them. And so you can't do that without having this monetary system. But the cost of this monetary system is that prices always go up and up and up and up. And that rigs the entire economy against the working class and the middle class in favor of the rich. It's just the way it is. When, when the value of assets is going up and up and up and up, that's great if you own stuff. That's great if you own stuff and you're selling it. If, if you got a billion dollars in the bank, inflation is your best friend. But if you're on a fixed income or you're a working class person, it just destroys you.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  And then, and everybody who's working class knows this just from living through the last five years. But you know, your grocery prices go up 30%. That is, you know, that's, that's, you know, people have this idea that there's like economic issues over here. And then there's like social issues over here. There's foreign policy over here, but it's, it's all one thing. You know, the prices of groceries go up by 30% and families get destroyed. Men swallow pistols, kids grow up without fathers. That's the cost of this shit. And, um, that's what we're living through now. And what we'll continue to live through as long as we have a government that it spends way beyond our means. Like, uh, Dr. Ron Paul used to say, when you spend beyond your means, you're destined to live beneath your means.

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. And we have an economy that's built around doing the exact same thing it's always done. Right? And if you think about the amount of money, just, just like, just in shuttering USAID. How like, think about the amount of money, whether you agree with USAID or not, the amount of money that was being pumped through that system, like to all sorts of weird places. Yep. Right? There's the, when the Department of Energy gave out thirty nine or ninety-three billion dollars in loans in the months between Biden losing, or Kamala losing, rather, and Trump taking office.

• 50:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, where's that? There's so many of these instances of insane amounts of money just being allocated while we're in thirty-nine trillion dollars in debt. It's like, it's so unmanageable and yet it just keeps marching on and people are upset if you try to pull a Band-Aid off. Like, the idea of shuttering some of these government organizations, all you hear about is, people are gonna die, people are gonna starve, this is gonna happen, that's gonna happen. Are you fucking sure? Yeah. Are you sure that this isn't a giant money-sucking scam that's been going on that does some good? This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half

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• 53:40Joe Rogan?

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• 53:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, there's

• 53:46Joe Rogan?

  That's most of it, right?

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, like, number one, yeah, if you, if you go, hey, I think, which by the way, no one in Congress, I mean, short of like Thomas Massey, maybe, maybe Rand Paul, but like no one else in Congress is even like suggesting an idea so, so radical. But if I were to throw out the radical idea that we should go back to pre-pandemic level spending. So go all the way back to the crazy year of 2019, when it was anarchy, or whatever. That was just, they'll all tell you the world's gonna end if we do that.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  And even when they're making up these absolutely ridiculous, you know, claims about how many people are gonna die if you cut government spending, which is all just totally absurd.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  But then they never seem to go like, well, how many people are gonna die if I keep letting DC have all these war-making powers? How many, how many people are gonna die if the president is able to fund a proxy war whenever he wants to? And I mean, look at this shit, dude. I took, I took so much, uh, you know, whatever, I'm not. But I, I took a lot of heat for the stuff I said on, on the show here a few years ago about the war in Ukraine. And look at it now, dude. Look at even, and I don't think they're about to end the thing. I think they're, which we could talk about, but I think they're putting poison pills in these negotiations already. It's what it looks like to me. But literally, the deal that I was talking to you about, whatever it was, three years ago, when I was saying on the show, that they had a deal worked out, a peace deal worked

• 55:10Speaker 03

  out in the first few months of the war in 22, and Boris Johnson went and killed the peace deal on behalf of the West to make sure this war kept going. But the deal that was, that was in pencil, not pen, that, that Boris Johnson killed, was essentially, um, recognition of, uh, the annexation of Crimea. Uh, it was, at the time, it wasn't, uh, annexation of the Donbass region, it was like independence for the Donbass region. And then the agreement that the rest of Ukraine would not join NATO. That was the deal that they had worked out. And look at where we are now. Now, the deal that they're even talking about, even as Donald Trump goes, there's gonna be some land swaps and all this. Okay, well, what's he talking?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  The deal right now, that is the best-case scenario that we're hoping we could get, is that Vladimir Putin obviously keeps Crimea, keeps the entire Donbass region, gets a corridor from the south into Crimea, and the rest of Ukraine doesn't join NATO. So we have the same deal, just a little bit more in the Russians' favor, three years later, with hundreds of thousands of people having died in that process, just to get back to not as good a deal as they had in 22. And so, you know.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  And if they don't sign that?

• 56:24Speaker 03

  They'll keep going, which I think it's probably going to.

• 56:26Joe Rogan?

  They're enlisting people as old as sixty now.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they have been for like a full year, at least. They're throwing people up there. And the thing that's really changed, the reason why, like the Europeans and Zelensky and they're at least pretending to come to the negotiation table right now, um, which they don't say, but this is, this is the truth, is that support for the war amongst Ukrainians has collapsed. I mean, not like gone down by a few points, it's collapsed. There is just a piece in this the other day, it was a Gallup, I believe. They had a, their latest poll, super majorities of the Ukrainian people, seventy percent around,

• 57:07Speaker 03

  want an immediate end to the war with negotiations on land swap, like with, like, let's settle it however we gotta settle it. They don't, I remember for the first two years of the thing, everybody who I argued with about the war in Ukraine, their talking point would always be, the Ukrainian people wanna fight. And who are you, Dave, to tell them that they don't have a right to defend themselves? And then I would respond by saying like, yes, it's true, the Ukrainian people wanna fight, but like, might that have something to do with the blank check that they've received from the world and the backup of the entire world? You know, it's, it's just, it's a different proposition to go like, do you wanna fight if John Jones is at your back and goes, I got your back, dude, let's go fuck these guys up?

• 57:49Speaker 03

  You're like, hell yeah, I wanna fight. But then John Jones leaves, I might be like, ah, let's talk about this, you know, like, but so that, but that would, but now, the Ukrainian people don't wanna fight. And by the way, I never believed any of that, cuz I don't, you know, I have my own libertarian views on things and I'm like, if you're telling me the people wanna fight, like, well, why do you gotta conscript an army then? You know, like, if they wanna fight so bad, why you gotta put a gun to their head and force them to the front line?

• 58:12Joe Rogan?

  Kidnap people.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, you could just make it a voluntary force and then we'll find out real quick who wants to fight. But the, the point is now, that even the Ukrainians don't wanna fight over this stuff anymore, so there's just no justification for it. Um, so now they move to, to- Phase B, which is essentially to pretend like they're negotiating, but putting all types of poison pills in the deal so that you know the other side won't take it. This is what they did with Iran too. Uh, this is why we, we got into that 12 day war, as they're calling it now. Um, but you know, it's like you put things into the, I always saw, I was just reading the other day. Uh, it was on Axios. There is, uh, um, reports that the, uh, Zelensky and, and the Europeans are like,

• 58:55Speaker 03

  open to land swaps as long as there's, as the, in their words in the Axios piece, Article Five like security guarantees. So in other words, the rest of Ukrainians in NATO, which is the thing that caused the whole conflict to begin with. Oh, God. Yeah, and you know, I- That's what that means, Article Five? Article Five is a, the article in, in NATO, in the NATO agreement that says that like, it, it says that like if one of the countries is attacked, like all the countries have to join together to help. It doesn't exactly say you gotta go to war over it, but it's like you have to help in the effort if they're attacked. So essentially that's what they're trying to ask now, which is, but if you think about it, right? It's designed to incentivize Putin to keep the war going.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  Because if you're telling Vladimir Putin, let's just say, which it's not exactly clear that he would even take the deal that I just laid out before. But there was, I know that it's been reported that he was, it was being signaled that he might be open to that deal. I get the Donbass region, you know, he's got still, um, like the Donbass region is Donetsk and, and Luhansk. And in Luhansk, I think as of right now, I think the Russians control like 75% of it. They got all of Donetsk, they got most of Luhansk, but there's still Ukrainians controlling part of it. And then he's controlling part of these territories in the south. So this is what Trump means when he says the land swaps, meaning essentially you get out of the Donbass region, give me that and I'll give you back, you know, the, the land swaps are Putin taking what he wants and leaving you the rest.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  But, um, if you're gonna tell Vladimir Putin, who fought this entire war over Ukrainian entry into NATO being his red line, basically in the middle of the, or not in the middle of, as the war is potentially wrapping up, you're gonna tell him, hey, whatever territory you don't take here will be a part of NATO. Well, what does that incentivize him to do? Take more of it then. Then why that, why would you stop and give the rest of it up? And it does seem to me like that's, that is clearly, at least from the Europeans, that is clearly the motivation of all of this. Is to, is to present something, it's, it's, you know, they do have their chess war moves. And so you present something that you know the other side can't agree to. And then when they don't agree to it, you go, look, we tried to negotiate.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  And he just wouldn't take us up on this. And so what can you do?

• 1:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God. You know, another problem with these conflicts and war in general, is that people always want to pretend that there's one side that's good and one side that's bad. You know, and obviously Putin's the bad guy, right? Because they started the war, started killing people in Ukraine. But there's so many factors that are going on. And then there's also the long history of corruption that Ukraine has always had.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:40Joe Rogan?

  And then there's also the weird deals that they were making with the Biden family, the control, all the different, it was, it was natural gas and there's incredible supplies of rare earth minerals.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  It's like really valuable, valuable territory. You know, there's this incentive to create some sort of, uh, there was, they were gonna try to, like, I think part of the plan was like, get off of Russian power and make Ukrainian power like central. And then whatever they were making over there, the amount of power, I forget what the number was, they said, but it's like trillions of dollars in natural gas, minerals, all these different things. And we're supposed to pretend that that's not also a part of the motivation? Like, didn't even Trump say something about a deal that they were doing with Ukraine that involved?

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, he got sucked into this talk about the rare earth minerals stuff. And you know, it's Donald Trump, it's like his weakness, cause he, you know, there's a lot of great things about.

• 1:02:45Joe Rogan?

  Making deals.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a lot of great things about coming from a business background. But then there's like, the weakness of it is that he's always attracted by like, hey, Gaza could be beachfront property, you know, and he's like, ooh. And you could just see him like come alive with these ideas. Yeah, it's, it's always this stuff, but then the problem is that. You know, and look, I've been very harsh on Donald Trump over the last few months, but I think he deserves it. And I think this administration is failing on so many levels so profoundly, especially given the opportunity that they had. But, you know, I heard him the other day, he called into a Fox News show, and it was, he was like, telling the story of the war in Ukraine. And it's like, it just seems like he's telling, like, it seems like you learned this on a TV show. Like, can we get some books in

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  your diet? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, this is, we really need someone here who's read a book about this, because he kind of had an idea of what he was talking about, but then he got it completely wrong. So he goes, he's trying to tell the story, and he's talking about the corruption of the Bidens in Ukraine, and you're like, okay, yes, that is true. But like, there's a whole story here that I don't think you're really understanding. Because he goes, he goes, look, this goes back to 2014. And so I'm watching this, and I got like, so excited for a minute. Like, I was, I was like, yes, yes, it does go back to 2014. Thank you, Donald Trump. And then he goes, it goes back to 2014, when Putin took Crimea, and Obama let him have it. He just let him have it. Never would have happened on my watch, but Obama gave Putin Ukraine. And you're like,

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  no, dude, that's not, just go back two months earlier, in that same year. The problem wasn't that Obama gave Putin Ukraine. The problem was that Obama took Ukraine away from Vladimir Putin. As I've played on your show, and you played with Tulsi Gabbard, the director of National Intelligence, has sat right here where I'm sitting, and watched Gideon Rose explain to Stephen Colbert, exactly what we're doing here. Russia, as, as Gideon Rose, the editor of Foreign Affairs Magazine, said, Russia is Batman. Ukraine is Robin. We're stealing Robin away from Batman. That's what the Maidan Revolution was. That's why the USAID and the NED poured $100 million into the street protest, right? And so they

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  overthrew the government, and then a bunch of the former Ukrainian prime ministers started floating out that we should tear up the Sevastopol lease in Crimea. Because, you know, this is Russia's only year-long warm water naval port. They've always had it. This was their agreement. They had like, a 50-year lease or something like that. But after the West backed a coup that overthrew the government and put in a pro-Western government, they started talking big, like, well, maybe we'll tear up that lease. And we will. And so Vladimir Putin went, no. I'll just take it. And that was like, so anyway, so he goes back to that, doesn't go back a few months earlier, and then misses the entire point that no, so, cause like, the point is that it's not just like me being like, oh, I wish Donald Trump was into the same books I'm into, or something

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  like that. The point is that when you don't get that piece of the chapter, then you miss what's happening right now. So when you're talking about like, these, essentially what Donald Trump was saying, the way he was trying to sell it to Zelensky, was like, look, do this rare earth minerals deal with us. And this is kind of like a security guarantee. It's not exactly a security guarantee, but if we're in business with you, and then Putin's trying to fuck up our business, hey, he's picking a fight with us too. But the whole point is that that's exactly what caused this whole catastrophe. Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian elite have been crystal clear about this, that they go, look, we can tolerate a neutral Ukraine.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  We could tolerate NATO up to Ukraine, Ukraine is neutral, and then there's Russia. We cannot tolerate Ukraine being a, a part of America's military alliance. That's a step too far. But every time we try to let him be neutral, neutral seems like it's never good enough, and that never actually works. So if you're gonna come in here and say neutral's not good enough, they're gonna be part of the West, then we're gonna say, actually, we'll take him as part of Russia instead. Now, he also believes, as he says all the time, which I just think is goofy and, and un-American, but he also believes that like, yeah, they're not really a real country, and they're kind of historically ours anyway, and you know, he's got his own views on that. But that's not what the war was about. And everybody, you know, and, and when I was here with, when, which I was very excited

• 1:07:06Speaker 03

  to do, cause I'm, you know, a weird romantic and have a, a, you know, a dash of autism or something like that, but where I was really excited, cause me and Douglas Murray are gonna debate this issue. And I remember when he first goes, he goes, the war had nothing to do with Ukrainian entry into NATO. And I was like, okay, well, let me just hit you with two points real quick. Number one, the head of the CIA, you know, during all the years of Joe Biden, when he was the, uh, the ambassador to Russia, he wrote the net means yet memo. He literally said that this was all, what it was all about, and that Russia didn't wanna do this, but they Would if we kept pushing Ukrainian entry into NATO and we did keep pushing it. And then I I said the other one was Stoltenberg, who is not anymore, but was the head of NATO while this was happening.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  And he said that Vladimir Putin sent them in writing a draft treaty that all you have to do is put in writing that you will never bring Ukraine into NATO and I won't invade. And then he bragged that we said no, and then he invaded. But so I said this to Douglas Murray and I was kind of curious, like I was like, what's? What's his response to this gonna be? Like, what is he gonna say back to? Maybe he's got something I've never heard before that I'm gonna have to be like, oof, shit, I gotta consider that. And his response was, a libertarian quoting the CIA, I see.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  And you're like, wait, so that's your pivot is to I'm a hypocrite somehow, which isn't even hypocrisy. Like, yes, I think the CIA should be abolished. I also think it's relevant when the head of the CIA admits what the war was all about. I don't see that.

• 1:08:32Joe Rogan?

  Do you think the CIA totally should be abolished? Don't you think we should kind of pay attention to what the fuck is going on in the world? Giving a real life perspective, not a utopian perspective, but a real life perspective. There's terrorist groups all over the world plotting shit, probably a good idea.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, so what the CIA was originally like conceived of? Like essentially being a newspaper for the president, like being like, hey, we get all the real intelligence and we give it to you here. Yes, I 100% think there's room for intelligence gathering. But what the CIA became is a paramilitary organization that starts wars and overthrows democratically elected governments all around the world.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  Occasionally sells coke in the hood.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  And occasionally, when they're bored, there's and when there's and maybe like on like a Tuesday, like a three day weekend. And then on Tuesday, maybe he's moved some crack into Los Angeles. No, that, I mean, just should, I mean, it's it's a disgrace to a professed free society. I mean, it's it's look like when, which we've also played on the show before, but. When Chuck Schumer was on with Rachel Maddow, which is one of the most amazing moments in the history of corporate media, because what's amazing about it, if you watch the full thing, is that Rachel Maddow's asking him questions, and he's given his Chuck Schumer, political answers to all of them, however you feel about it, it's like they have their

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  spiel, but then she breaks from script, and she preemptively apologizes to him. She goes, "Hey, I'm sorry to just throw this on you right now." This is, it was in, I believe, January, it was either December of 16 or January 17. So Donald Trump has beat Hillary Clinton, but he's not president yet, he's president-elect. And so she goes, "Sorry to throw you off, put you on the spot, but Donald Trump just tweeted this." So she's reading a tweet that he just tweeted live on air to the Senate Majority Leader, or Minority Leader at the time. So she reads of the tweet, and it's him trashing the CIA or something like that, and then Chuck Schumer just gives his organic response. There was no script prepared for

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  this. He wasn't planned on being asked this question. She just goes, "Look, here's Donald Trump talking about the CIA." And Chuck Schumer goes, he goes, "I mean, Donald Trump, you want to go at the intelligence agencies?" And his exact phrase was, "They have seven ways till Sunday to get back at you." Yeah. So, and by the way, Rachel Maddow, in this moment, does not say, "Pause the tape, what did you just say?" Like, the most powerful Democrat in the Senate just admitted, "We don't live in a democracy." Just admitted that this whole thing's an illusion, that the President of the United States is not the President of the United States. All our talk about democracy being on the ballot, democracy's been gone for a long time, if it ever existed. You just straight up said that the duly-elected Commander-in-Chief and

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Chief Executive of the United States of America ain't really the one who's in charge, because you better not insult the CIA, who work for you ostensibly, or supposedly, I should say. You know? And so like, that's- Or they'll get you. Or they'll get you, or they'll ruin you. And by the way, they did, didn't they? And this is the stuff which is very interesting, that Tulsi is releasing now, which I don't know whether, you know, I'm kind of past the point of like, it's hard to take-

• 1:11:53Speaker 03

  It's hard to take a lot of things about Donald Trump seriously to me at this point. You know, flaking on all types of that, you know, the Epstein stuff and just a lot of, you know, kind of core things where like, so Donald Trump, at least according to him, they stole the election. You know, I was thinking about this the other day because he was talking about, in the same thing that I'm talking about, when he called into Fox News, he was talking about the Ukraine war. He said at one point, he goes, uh, he goes, "The war never would have happened if I was president," which Putin threw him a bone and backed him up on that the other day and said the war wouldn't have happened if Trump was president.

• 1:12:25Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't.

• 1:12:25Speaker 03

  Nah, just saying what, just saying what, you know, he's smart enough to know.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  It's a nice thing to say. The guy likes being complimented.

• 1:12:31Speaker 03

  And Putin's smart enough to know that like, this is how you negotiate with Donald Trump. Yes, yes.

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  The war would have never started with you, my friend.

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  So that's kind of a silly point, but aside from that, the, so Donald Trump goes, the, he goes, "It never would have happened if I was president," and then he takes it a step further than what he normally says, and he goes, "It wouldn't have even happened if anyone else was president. If we had just had a regular president, this war never would have happened. It's only because Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of America, was president, that that's why this happened." But then I'm sitting there as I listen to that and I go, "Yeah, but dude, didn't you, you told me that they cheated. Like, you didn't really lose the election in 2020. That's, but you, you've stuck to that story now for many years. So you're saying they cheated? You're making a similar claim here.

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  They overthrew democracy, they installed Joe Biden, and a war where hundreds of thousands, maybe well over a million people have died, happened because they cheated the election. Okay, so I'm gonna need to know who "they" is, and I'm gonna need to know when we're gonna see them perp walked. Like, you're the president now, you got your whole, but all of us on some level don't really think they're gonna start arresting people over the stolen election of 2020, and, you know, they're-

• 1:13:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they have any evidence.

• 1:13:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, that's right. I don't, I completely agree.

• 1:13:52Joe Rogan?

  Now, I think there's a lot of speculation and there's a lot of consideration about mail-in ballots. There's, there's a lot of shenanigans. There's a, there's a good record of shenanigans, and there's, there's the reality of any kind of electronics can be hacked.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  No, I, so I agree with all of that. I'm just saying like, once you've made these statements and your administration is in. No, I remember. It was one of the most interesting parts of your, uh, your podcast with him was like, when you asked him about that, it was like, you really didn't have anything to back it up.

• 1:14:20Joe Rogan?

  If that was you, or if that was me, I mean, if there was some reason why I knew that they did something and I could give you all the facts, I would have that ready for anybody. Because for four fucking years, they've been telling him he's crazy for questioning the election.

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:36Joe Rogan?

  So after four years, I'd have a fucking tight 10 minutes.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 1:16:28Speaker 03

  Well, there's also, there's a big difference between, you know, speculating and asking some questions and being like, I'm not sure I believe the official story of this. And there's a difference between then being as a president of the United States going, this is what happened. Like this was, and if you're going to say that, then you got to give me your theory. Like really lay it out for me like is, and, and he never had that part. But I will say, um, they, they kind of pivoted off the Epstein thing into Russiagate, which seemed to be, you know, like designed that there was this, um, this tremendous desires. The whole reason Donald Trump's political existence is a thing is that people are furious about the swamp.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  They're furious about how corrupt our government is and the, the profound crimes that the government has committed against the American people and they want justice for that. And so they pivoted off of Epstein after promising to deliver something on that and then went, okay, well, how about Russiagate now? So now they're, but I will say Tulsi Gabbard released a bunch of new documents and there were some pretty interesting ones there. Um, it wasn't like she just released new stuff where it was like, oh, we already knew all this, like there was new stuff in there that we didn't really already know. And she referred it over to the justice department. She said in her press conference that we have proof that Obama committed treason and they've at least sent it to the justice department. And from what I understand, there is a grand jury being assembled or something like that.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  So I don't know. I still didn't in the deepest part of my soul go, there's no way, there's no way they're actually going to try to prosecute Obama and Brennan and Clapper and Comey. But.

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

  The FBI raided John Bolton's house today.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  Yes, I think that's unrelated, but that is an interesting story also.

• 1:18:13Joe Rogan?

  It seems like they're doing wild shit, but if they did that with Obama, what was the actual treason? Like, what is she stating is treason?

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  Well, so, now, I don't think, she said treason. I don't think legally that's technically right, but I've, someone might correct me on that. Maybe it's sedition or something, I don't know. I mean, like, I think treason, I think John Brennan did commit treason when he armed Al Qaeda in Syria, and Obama as well, with the rest of Obama and John Kerry and Brennan. I think that's, that's literally treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war. What Obama and Comey and Clapper did to Donald Trump is they framed him for treason. So, what do you call that exactly? Framing the sitting US president? Now, I guess Obama can't be guilty of the current, the sitting US president,

• 1:19:06Speaker 03

  but he was guilty of the candidate and the president-elect. So, because he was out of there by the time Trump comes in. But what Tulsi Gabbard released that I thought was very interesting, which I had never seen before, and we did, I don't remember was last year or the year before, but there was one episode that me and you talked a lot about Russiagate and got like pretty deep into it. But what Tulsi released, which I've never seen before, was that there was a consensus amongst the intelligence agencies after the 2016 election. So, this is Hillary Clinton's lost, but Barack Obama's still president and Donald Trump is the president-elect. And they had consensus that there was no meaningful interference in the election. And then, there is this one meeting with Obama that she points to where this is where the consensus changes.

• 1:19:51Speaker 03

  And they had a new threat assessment written that actually we believe Russia interfered in the election, but it was total bullshit. They've never been able to back it up for shit. You know, they find minor little things here or there, but nothing that demonstrates that like, the results of this were flipped. And then, they ran with that for three years after it.

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  But there's not a record of that meeting, right?

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  She just released a bunch of documents with records of that meeting.

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  No, but what I'm saying is like the actual discussions, it's not on record.

• 1:20:20Speaker 03

  Now, I think they have, she had a few-

• 1:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Do they have to do that?

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  No, but she had, you know, she had a couple of different documents there that were like, had notes from the meeting. I think one had minutes of the meeting, but no, you're not listening to an audio tape of it. Like, we don't have like a Nixon, you know, talking about the gays and the Jews or something like that.

• 1:20:37Joe Rogan?

  I'm just trying to like, strong man or steel man it. I'm saying like if, would it be possible that Obama knew something? That he could relay to them in the meeting?

• 1:20:49Speaker 03

  Be an interesting thing to find, you know, that'd be interesting for a court proceeding.

• 1:20:52Joe Rogan?

  But even if that's the case, it still doesn't align with the known facts.

• 1:20:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  Which is a problem.

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's not, look, I think. We'll, we'll see what comes of this, you know, which I'm, again, I'm not betting on anything coming of this. But there is something interesting, look, there's a lot of things that happen after that. The real, to me, the true outrage of Russiagate is that they didn't stop after he won the presidency. It's still pretty outrageous to try to frame a candidate. It's still pretty outrageous for Hillary Clinton to have like opposition research and use an actual, you know, Russian spy and a British spy to do it. But, you know, that's campaign stuff. It's a little bit different, like, once he becomes the commander in chief, then you have the FBI and the CIA still working to frame him.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  And so this is where, and for all of that stuff, Hillary Clinton's gone, Barack Obama's gone, Brennan is gone. Comey is still there for at least a few months. And then you have like Andrew McCabe and people like that who, on his 60 Minutes interview, and anybody can go, look at it. He literally said that they debated at the, at the Justice Department, and this is the highest levels of the Justice Department. It was, I mean, Jeff Sessions would have been the Attorney General at the time, and he may have recused himself already by that time, so maybe not him. But then everybody else, like the top two, three guys at the Justice Department, all sat down and debated what to do. And they, they said, they, they decided we're gonna-

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  invoke the 25th amendment to remove Donald Trump as president and that basically they went around and realized they weren't going to be able to do that that they weren't going to have enough people in his cabinet willing to turn on him to invoke the 25th amendment which by you know the 25th amendment is designed for Joe Biden it's designed for we still didn't use it even though these last few years is crazy you know even after the debate they go we need a new candidate but no one went yeah but this guy can't be commander in chief for the next six months they just let him um but they said they were going to invoke the 25th amendment this is on 60 minutes Andrew McCabe says this himself and that they realized they couldn't do that and so they settled on Robert Mueller they settled on a special prosecutor because they couldn't remove him so this was their

• 1:23:10Speaker 03

  other attempt we'll just bog him down we'll investigate everything in his life we'll find some crime somewhere it's to this day a miracle that they didn't I can't believe they didn't find any other dirt on Donald Trump I always thought when Mueller started being the special prosecutor I I and you can listen up my podcast I'm on record if you want to go part of the problem available wherever podcasts are sold uh you can listen back to I said at the time I go they're not going to find anything on Russiagate because there's nothing there this is all made up but they're gonna find something the guy's been a real estate developer in New York City for how many decades now everyone every real estate developer has committed a few crimes and they found nothing they locked up you know they they charged a bunch of his people around him with tax crimes and

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  other things that had nothing to do with Russiagate then they tried to put pressure on them to flip on him that's how they do these things none of them had anything on him and so anyway so they got but the point is that it was the deep state attempting to remove the sitting president of the United States of America off of something that they knew was bullshit you know you had people Eric Swalwell was out on cable news saying not only an asset saying Donald Trump is a Russian agent agent he's working for Vladimir Putin he's his guy here and they all knew this was bullshit I mean that's like

• 1:24:30Joe Rogan?

  online ad nauseam

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  oh and online on CNN on MSNBC on ABC CBS oh every day Trump Russia collusion

• 1:24:38Joe Rogan?

  and many of those same people are still telling you what's true Many of those same people are still in front of a camera telling you what's true.

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:46Joe Rogan?

  And never apologize.

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  That's right. And they're still, and they're the same ones up there going, we gotta arm Ukraine till the end. We gotta give Israel more bombs to drop on the Palestinians.

• 1:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Are they even covering this? Like, how is MSNBC handling this Tulsi Gabbard revelation?

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  I think by changing their name to MS Now. You're supposed to forget.

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  So did NBC bail out?

• 1:25:06Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  So Microsoft and NBC are together in this joint venture that's MSNBC?

• 1:25:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think they, uh, you know, I don't know exactly what they're doing, but they, I saw it was announced the other day that they're changing it from MSNBC to MS Now.

• 1:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Do they think it's toxic?

• 1:25:23Speaker 03

  I guess so. I guess. They're not wrong.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  They're not wrong. They fucked it up. They got rid of some people, though. But they kept the, the queen.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  Rachel Maddow?

• 1:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:34Speaker 03

  I think she's the only one who pulls in any type of numbers, you know?

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  She's also, she's, what she did during COVID was so preposterous.

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Just that alone. There's, there's so many times where she's, you know, Matt Taibbi wrote a great book, Hate, Inc.

• 1:25:50Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:50Joe Rogan?

  And he, he basically said Rachel Maddow is the left's Bill O'Reilly.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's, that's about fair.

• 1:25:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:57Speaker 03

  And it's, it's really-

• 1:25:58Joe Rogan?

  It probably is not fair to Bill O'Reilly.

• 1:26:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, Bill O'Reilly was pretty rough in his day. I mean, I don't know. I've, uh-

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if he's as inaccurate.

• 1:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Like, that was horribly inaccurate.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  It was bad.

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  The COVID stuff and then the Russia stuff, like, is there a thing that you could point to that Bill O'Reilly pushed that was a hoax for all those years?

• 1:26:20Speaker 03

  Iraq.

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  Iraq.

• 1:26:21Speaker 03

  Iraq. I mean, they were so bad on Iraq, dude. Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and all those guys, I mean, they were just like, I mean, it is just like as if it was a certainty every day. It was a certainty that-

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a lot worse.

• 1:26:34Speaker 03

  Nuclear weapons and, you know, I mean, I don't know. You could debate what's worse. I mean, you know, the-

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  No, that's worse.

• 1:26:41Speaker 03

  Well, yes.

• 1:26:42Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think that's worse?

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, a million people died. So there's a strong argument that that's worse than other things. But there is something about, look, first of all, there is something about framing- The sitting US president, that truly is a crime against the republic in a profound sense. But the other thing about Russiagate, which I think makes it, you know, where you could maybe enter into the debate. And then COVID, you know, you can argue with all these things, that's quite as bad as the war in Iraq, I don't know, really destroyed a lot of people's lives. But the part of the reason why they framed Donald Trump, so in 2016, Donald Trump was explicitly running on, he talks about this at like all the debates, and in the beautiful,

• 1:27:24Speaker 03

  kind of childlike Trumpian way, where he just has no filter, so he just says the thing that's in his mind, and then he often thinks he's like a genius, because no one else has said this out loud, but it's not that they haven't thought of it, it's just that they're all corrupt. But he just said, because at the time, the war in Syria was going on, and Donald Trump would just say, why are we in Russia on opposite sides in the war in Syria? You know, Russia's trying to kill the terrorists, that's who we're trying to kill. Because Obama and Brennan had been siding with the terrorists, they had been funding Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria to try to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, because that was part of the clean break strategy to the seven countries in five years, this was the next guy they were trying to overthrow, they ended up getting that regime change earlier this year.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  But, so they were working on that, and then Trump just went, we should be friends with Putin, and we should work together on killing the terrorists, I don't care about overthrowing Assad, I'm not in on that plan, I don't even know what you're talking about, why would we want to overthrow the secular dictator in a three-piece suit who shaves his chin? Like, he was just like, this is stupid, I don't want to be a part of that, and he was running on, we should be friends with Russia, and this drove all of the Republicans crazy, like, oh man, we should be friends with Russia, but that was just what he was running on. And so part of the deal of framing him for being in a conspiracy with Vladimir Putin, was that he couldn't be friends with Russia anymore. And this, and so, you know, because if Donald Trump had come in, in 2017 or 2018, and announced some new treaty with Vladimir Putin, or some partnership or something like that, the entire

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  media would have been like, see, that's proof, we've been telling you, he's in with Vladimir Putin. When he just, he went to Helsinki, I think... Aside from this week, I think that was the last time the two of them were face to face. Was in Finland in 2017. I could be wrong about that, but I think that was the last time the two of them were together. And there was this big thing, I don't know if you remember this, but it was a big deal at the time. Was that Donald Trump said, they asked him, what, you know, they were like, hey, your intelligence agencies are saying that Vladimir Putin interfered in the election. Did you ask him about that? And Trump goes, yeah, I asked him about that. And he told me he didn't interfere in the election. And I believe him. And then they, they made a huge thing about this on foreign soil. Donald Trump says he believes Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agency, you know, the men and women who protect us every day.

• 1:29:37Joe Rogan?

  The men and women who protect us.

• 1:29:38Speaker 03

  The men and women who frame the sitting president.

• 1:29:40Joe Rogan?

  Framing him.

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  And so.

• 1:29:42Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. What a trap.

• 1:29:44Speaker 03

  But so that's, that's kind of the game right there. And then you had these, these like conflicts that are going on and not just ultimately what, you know, in Ukraine, right? The, the civil war was already going on there. I mean, the civil war started after 2014. This was like right in the middle of that civil war. And so anyway, my point is just to compare it to, to Iraq. Who knows how big of a deal was it to poison a US president who wanted to have détente with Putin at that time? Like, maybe we could have avoided this whole thing and that the death toll, it, you know, I don't know, I've seen different reporting on it, but it's close to Iraq. I mean, it's, it's, um, I think it's more military and less civilians, which does matter. Um, but it's up there.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, it doesn't matter when you're forcing civilians.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  Well, that's a good point. That's a good point too. Yeah. That's right. So, you know, I mean, look, it still changes the moral calculation a little bit. Um, when someone puts on a uniform and is holding a gun, it's a little bit different than a kid or something like that. But, um, you know, the, the crime of, of killing the potential for a president to make peace with Putin. I mean, this is, you know, this is the thing that's so like, um, infuriating about all of it. And something that really, you know, it's like, well, you know, I'm told like, I'm not an expert, you're just a comedian. It's like, leave this to the serious experts here. But the thing that's so goddamn frustrating and just, um, like profoundly reckless.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  Is that, look, like, when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, and you could go back before that, but like, let's just take that as a point to start, like, it should have been obvious to any, like, if there really was this class of experts, I would be so happy to turn this over to them. Let me go tell jokes at the mothership. That's what I'm supposed to do, not theirs, like, fine. But the thing is, if there were serious rational adults who had wisdom way beyond what some shit-talking comedian knows about, which there should be, then they would have recognized that, like, the most important priority in the history of the world is the relationship between DC and Moscow. There's never been anything more important than that. And that doesn't even matter whether you're a Russian or an American. You could, like, it doesn't matter if you live in Brazil or wherever,

• 1:31:53Speaker 03

  that the most important thing in the history of the world is these two capitals that have, like, 90% of the world's nuclear weapons between the two of them, get along. Okay, you know, like, this is the most important thing. This could end our species if they don't. So, like, let's make sure they do. And that seemed to have been the priority of almost no one in power. A few exceptions to that, but almost nobody went, like, so, so, again, my point is, poisoning the relationship between a president who wants peace with Russia is on the level of launching a war in Iraq. I mean, it's like, it's that bad of a thing to do.

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Speaker 03

  And hopefully, it doesn't get to that point, but it is a profoundly reckless thing to do.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's up there.

• 1:32:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  It's, um, it's just, it's so tangled that at this, one of the things about politics, I think, for most people, that's so frustrating is because you don't see a way out. You don't see, like, oh, if we just do this, that, and this, you know, and people say things like, oh, we just need to take money out of politics.

• 1:33:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  How you can do that?

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  Well, I don't.

• 1:33:02Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. We should just make all people honest.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right.

• 1:33:07Joe Rogan?

  That might be easier.

• 1:33:08Speaker 03

  Well, there's also.

• 1:33:09Joe Rogan?

  That might be easier.

• 1:33:10Speaker 03

  You know, that's a, that's like, um, it's a, it's a, a talking point. I don't even mean to downplay that. Like, I'm not, it's a, it's understandable.

• 1:33:19Joe Rogan?

  It's right. It's correct.

• 1:33:20Speaker 03

  It's a nice idea. I think the issue, like, this is what I've always seen, like, the issue with the kind of take money out of politics angle. And why I think the better approach is to take politics out of money. Like, I think, and, and I'm not saying either is easy to do, but the issue that you have, and I know that there's, um, a lot of, like, people I really love, really say that all the time. Go like, you gotta take money out of politics. And I would certainly support, like, if there was, I think Rand Paul had a proposal, um, a few years ago where it was like, if you make any money from a government contract, you should not be allowed to work in that sector for 20 years after you made there.

• 1:34:01Speaker 03

  Something like, like, there's something like you shouldn't be able to be a defense contractor and then, you know what I mean, go into.

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Revolving door.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  Yes. So, and anything like that probably is a good idea if you can get it passed. Good luck getting it passed, but like, that's, but the issue really comes like, the ma- the major problem is that Washington DC is the most powerful, you know, organization in the history of the world. That they, they spend $7 trillion a year. And this is, that is so much power. Like, it's just, it's hard to quantify. It's, it's literally like, like, if you, you think about it in your mind, right? Like, you think about, like, how much money Elon Musk has. And then just to think that one year of federal spending is like squishing him like an ant. Like, it's nothing, dude. Like, the money Elon Musk has is nothing compared to $7 trillion, you know?

• 1:34:53Speaker 03

  That's just one year, what they spend in Washington DC. And when you have that much concentrated power, the idea of saying, well, we're gonna write a rule that says nobody's allowed to try to manipulate that power. It's like. Okay, and then, you know, look, there are rules, there's all types of rules.

• 1:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Funny way to put it, because it's like so undeniable.

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  Well, look, there are rules that say that foreigners aren't allowed to contribute to political campaigns, and like, there's different regulations on all of them, but like Saudi Arabia is not allowed to give Hillary Clinton's campaign $10 million. But they could give the Clinton Foundation $10 million, you know what I mean? So like, you write these rules, they find another way to do it. By the way, all that money, the Clinton Foundation was making so much money until right around 2016, when everyone stopped donating to it. It's just so weird, like, the Saudis were really into charity, you know? Until right around that, so the point is that you can't, the only thing, like, like, it's not

• 1:35:59Speaker 03

  the lesson of the Lord of the Rings, wasn't like, we really need some common sense regulations about how you use this ring, right? Like, the lesson is that you have to destroy this thing, and that's tough, I'm not saying that's easy, I don't know who our Frodo is, but the, the point is that this power has, so this is fundamentally, I think, why I think the Ron Paul libertarians have it right, and while I really do respect some other left-wingers, I think they have it wrong, when they go like, no, we need the government to be working for us, rather than working for them, it's like, that is unrealistic, it's unrealistic enough that we'll just be able to, but the answer is that there should be way less power in Washington DC.

• 1:36:41Speaker 03

  And that's, that's the whole, that's George Washington's constitutional republic that we are supposed to be living under, is the idea is that there's like, oh, Washington DC has very little power, the states have a lot of power, the people have a lot of power, it's not all concentrated in one capital, because then you get what we have.

• 1:36:58Joe Rogan?

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• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  Like, the tentacles of this octopus go so deep. There's so much money involved. And there's so many people that are in a position of power. It's like... It's very, it's very hard to change what it is now. The only, I think the best hope that we have is, it's gonna sound ridiculously romantic, but youth. Uh, I think there's people that are growing up now that have a better understanding of how things work than ever before. You know, um, this guy Michael Button was on the other day, he's a historian, or, you know, his degree in ancient history. And we were talking about how, um, science changes one funeral at a time.

• 1:39:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, I think politics probably changes one funeral at a time too, and the way. You know, like, I don't agree with this Mondani guy, the guy in New York City.

• 1:40:00Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:01Joe Rogan?

  But I also don't agree that this should be this massive coordinated campaign from both sides to make sure that he doesn't get into power.

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  Because you don't agree with him. Like, I think a lot of the stuff he's saying is ridiculous. Like, using, uh, New York City funds to pay for transgender surgeries for people who can't afford them, like.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm a nay on that.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it just sounds nuts. It sounds like you're only going for that nutty vote. You're like, you want that nutty vote. But are we, what is this? Are we allowed?

• 1:40:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  To disagree? So I disagree. I don't support that. I don't support a lot of the stuff he's saying. The raising of taxes, I think, is gonna be really problematic, but I'm not an economist. But what is this game we're playing? Is it the people get to vote? Cause the people voted, and they voted and he won the primary. So it's supposed to be the Democrats get behind him. And then it's the Democrats versus the Republic, or are we doing something different?

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  No, yes, the people get to vote, but if they vote wrong, then the powerful might have to come in and let the people know that they have erred and they're, you know.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  But it's a unique time to see a power struggle.

• 1:41:09Speaker 03

  There's, he's, and I should, I guess, preface by saying, first of all, I find this, this race to be fascinating. Like, microcosm of where we're at politically in so many different ways. And I am, I should preface by saying, I am the most free-market capitalist libertarian guy. I don't believe in socialism at all. There's, most libertarians are communists compared to me. Like, I believe in less, whatever government you believe in, I believe in less than that. So I do not agree with Mondani's, you know, any of his economic policies. There is something, though, that you just can't deny. Where it's like, okay, look, first of all, you got this young guy who's kind of the anti-establishment candidate.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Immigrant.

• 1:41:53Speaker 03

  He's an immigrant, he's a newcomer to politics, a newcomer to being a citizen of the country, however you feel about that. He was, his campaign was laser focused on one issue, which was the unaffordability of New York City. Which if anybody at all is familiar with New York City, that is the issue of New York City. It's the issue for 99% of the people who live in New York City. The top 1% of New York City are doing great, but the, everybody else is just struggling to get by. You know, you're either rich or you're struggling in New York City.

• 1:42:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:25Speaker 03

  And the prices have gone up dramatically in the last few years. So he just ran his whole campaign laser focused on that. Then the establishment comes in and they run Andrew Cuomo. The disgraced former governor who murdered old people in, in, uh, in nursing homes. Who got, you know, had a Me Too thing, which I don't know how legit that was, but got driven out in disgrace. Governor lockdown, representing the failure that just wrecked this city is who, and then what did they try to hit him on? It was Israel. They thought that was his weakness. It was, dude, that debate was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:43:03Joe Rogan?

  So bizarre.

• 1:43:04Speaker 03

  They, it's like, imagine picking, you know, it's like, um, it's literally like if you were, um, if you were fighting like Islam Makachev or something like that, and you went, I'm gonna attack his wrestling. That's where I think he's weak. And you'd be like, wait, what? No, like, that's his strength. What do you mean his? They thought this, they'd go, they, and they bring it up and go through all the candidates, they go, he hasn't even pledged to go visit Israel.

• 1:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were all saying that was the first thing they would do, once they became mayor is go to Israel.

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  We'll go to Israel.

• 1:43:34Joe Rogan?

  They all said that, and he said, I'm, I'm gonna stay here.

• 1:43:36Speaker 03

  He goes, I'll stay here in New York.

• 1:43:37Joe Rogan?

  Take care of New York City.

• 1:43:38Speaker 03

  He goes, I'll talk to Jewish people who are right here in New York City. I don't need to go to Israel. And then they, and then my, the funniest thing to me-

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  But that might have won him.

• 1:43:44Speaker 03

  It helped. Well, you know, they, they actually thought that pointing out that this guy, which by the way, the mayor of New York City has nothing to do with foreign policy anyway.

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:54Speaker 03

  But they, they thought that pointing out to everybody that this guy doesn't carry the baggage of supporting the war party, but we all support the war party, was gonna win over liberal New Yorkers. Like, how, how out of touch do you have to be? And then, and this is, Jude, I gotta say, just something that's so fascinating about the whole broader Israel-Palestine, Palestine debate discussion, is that he goes at one point, you know, he said that he's like a one-state solution guy. And for people who follow this stuff, you know, there's some people believe in a two-state solution, some believe in a one-state solution, some believe in the status quo, which is just like apartheid forever or whatever. But he goes, I believe, he goes, I think Israel has a right to exist as a state with equal rights for everyone. You know, like, everybody gets equal rights.

• 1:44:38Speaker 03

  And they tried to make that out to be like an evil statement, which is just, was so hilarious to me, that they're just, this one guy goes, I believe in equal rights for all, and they went, Nazi. Look at this Nazi with his equal rights for all talk. Anyway, nobody, it, it just had no effect on anything other than to just be like, oh, he also doesn't have the baggage of supporting this, this genocide, which is very unpopular. So, okay. And, and so anyway, it's just like, while he's focused on the actual crisis, which is the unaffordability of New York City, they're talking about supporting this war, which has nothing to do with the role of the mayor anyway. And it's just like, you look at it, you can't believe that that's actually what they tried to attack him on.

• 1:45:23Speaker 03

  And so, yeah, he won.

• 1:45:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think they're terrified of young people that are popular like that.

• 1:45:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, a young person who's a really good speaker, who's popular, who has ideas that, look, if you're living in New York City and you're struggling, and someone comes along and says, the, the problem that you're having is rich people are making too much money, and we're gonna redistribute that down to people. That sounds really attractive and there's a lot more of them than there are of the rich folks and they'll vote them in.

• 1:45:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that's right. And especially there's, there's a reason why, you know, socialism is becoming so attractive to young people. And I think it's like what I was laying out before, they can't afford anything. There's no, there's no path for them to get into the ownership class.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  It's not just that. It's the looming fear of AI taking away all jobs.

• 1:46:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, I'm sure that's, that's part of it as well. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Talk about it. A lot of the kids that they go to high school with talk about it. I, I, I talked to college kids that are talking about it. I was talking to this guy about it. He's like, I really don't know what to do with my life because it feels like everything's going to be taken up by AI. That's a crazy place to be. Like you're, you're, you're waiting for this thing to come alive and see what it leaves behind.

• 1:46:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:32Joe Rogan?

  Because that's what it is. It's going to be this all consuming thing. And then their solution that everybody talks about is some sort of payment plan for everyone. Some universal basic income payment plan where everybody gets paid. But the boy does that stop dissent. But when you're completely reliant on the state to pay for you and you just, you just live, you just exist. And you don't need to work anymore because AI is taking up all the jobs and now you don't have any purpose. You have to go find a purpose. Boy, some people are going to find a purpose. There's a lot of people that just have that go get them instinct and they're going to be fine.

• 1:47:10Joe Rogan?

  There's a small percentage of people that are just going to plow ahead regardless of, even if like the government gives you fifty, sixty thousand dollars a year and you live fine. And you don't have to sweat bills. There's going to be a bunch of people that just get into drugs. And they, their life falls apart and they have no sense of purpose. They have nothing to do. And you're going to have to like re-figure out how to structure society. That's what these kids are going through. They're going through this weird feeling that everything is about to fall apart right in front of their face while we run. Face first for that cliff. We're running right to the edge of that cliff. Full clip saying, we gotta go over the cliff.

• 1:47:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, it's a lot of, well, it's a lot of these things all happening at once too. And also, the young generation is totally outside of the corporate media model. And they're just not even listening. It's not like, do they, do they watch MSNBC or Fox News? No.

• 1:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the list of the age? Like, there's a graph that got put out of the median age for people that watch cable news.

• 1:48:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Versus podcasts, all these other different things.

• 1:48:15Speaker 03

  I don't know if I saw the graph, but I've seen these numbers.

• 1:48:17Joe Rogan?

  I think I have it on my phone. Um, it's fucking bananas.

• 1:48:21Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 1:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Because the median age for cable news is like 70. It's like 70 year old people. That's the median.

• 1:48:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:31Joe Rogan?

  And with podcasts, it's like 24 to 34 is the median.

• 1:48:37Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:48:37Joe Rogan?

  YouTube is like 34. Netflix is a little higher. Netflix is like in the 40s because everybody uses Netflix.

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  Is this it?

• 1:48:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Average media landscape. So cable news, 70. Primetime TV, 65. Those are the brain dead people laughing at terrible sitcoms. And, and watching whatever the fuck else is on. Newspaper, 60 years old. Talk radio, 58. Magazines, 52. Podcast, 34.

• 1:49:10Speaker 03

  That sounds, I mean, that sounds about right.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  That is right. That's, that's about accurate. But there's a lot, you know.

• 1:49:16Speaker 03

  Now, go and then go and see, because I have looked at, uh, polling data on this. Where you go look at who's, uh, who's supporting Israel.

• 1:49:26Speaker 03

  It's those cable news watchers. It's the 70 and over crowd is who they still got.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  What I, what I would be interested in seeing is like, what percentage of people that are 34 are listening to cable news?

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  Is there, uh, a number on that?

• 1:49:42Speaker 05

  Three of them are, three of them cost money and three don't also. That's interesting.

• 1:49:46Joe Rogan?

  Right. Cable costs money. Right. Primetime TV doesn't though, right?

• 1:49:50Speaker 05

  Newspaper and magazines though.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they do. Newspaper costs money, magazines cost money. But everybody, you have to pay for cable if you want it, and most kids don't have cable anymore. Most kids just get a Netflix account or a Paramount account and you get all the great shows, Disney Plus, you get all the superhero movies. Most people don't, you know, young kids, if you're, if you have to budget and you have to choice between, you know, a bunch of channels that just have things running on them all the time, or you pick what you watch any time you want to.

• 1:50:20Speaker 03

  He's like, I need the internet. Just give me the internet, I'll figure it out.

• 1:50:23Joe Rogan?

  Fucking internet on their TV. They want Netflix. They don't want this cable news nonsense where I have to listen to someone at 8:00 PM and then every five minutes there's a fucking commercial. You have to be like brought into that world and accustomed to it.

• 1:50:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:50:38Joe Rogan?

  You try to show a kid a commercial today and they're like, what the fuck?

• 1:50:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and even just the whole, the whole fake thing.

• 1:50:44Speaker 05

  Old stuff from 2021.

• 1:50:46Speaker 03

  Oh. The whole just fake thing about their presentation and all of this, it just doesn't, it doesn't work if you didn't like, if you didn't transition from like Walter Cronkite into that, that's not gonna work for you anymore. But I do think, so this is like a, it's, it's, you know, I was just looking at this the other day though, where it's like, which is really, you know, even to me, is, kind of something I would not have been able to even fathom or predict a couple of years ago. But the way in which every demographic has turned against Israel, uh, over this shit in Gaza. Except essentially boomer Republicans who are still as strong as they've ever been in supporting them. But every, you know, Israel is,

• 1:51:28Speaker 03

  it's, it's really in many ways like the third rail of American pop. Like this is the thing you are not allowed to talk about. This is the thing that would get you fired from CNN, would get you kicked out of DC, would get your to, your career ruined. You know, Pat Buchanan made a joke once on the McLaughlin Group, like years ago, like decades ago. He had a joke once where he said something about, he said Congress is Israel occupied territory or something like that. And he, for the rest of his career, this was the scandal, this was, hit pieces were written about this. Now. The young people are totally outside of that ecosystem. And they're just hearing from different people. And they're like, no, I'm not buying it. And it's, you know, I think it's a mix of a few things.

• 1:52:13Speaker 03

  Like, I think it's, it's just that, you know, we have the technology. It's in 4K. You can see what Israel's doing to Gaza. It is so evil that it's damn near impossible to, to find a way. I mean, some people do, but it is really difficult to find a way to be like, I'm actually okay with that. It's been going on for, for years at this point. And then the, the second thing is just that, like, the relationship between the US government and the Israeli government is so freaking bizarre. That once you see it, and once a whole generation of young people see it, it's like impossible for them to unsee it. And, and, you know, it's just too weird. It gets in New York City mayoral politics.

• 1:52:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, like this is, and, and the idea that it is, you know, the idea that it's just accepted as normal? That the politicians for your country must worship this other country? And you're like, so what, did that other country like beat us in a war and they're occupying us now? And you're like, no, no, you're the superpower. They're your welfare country, you know? But yet you must go kiss their wall. You must say, Tammy Bruce from the State Department. And I know she was kind of being tongue in cheek, but where she goes, we're the greatest country in the world. Well, second greatest to Israel. You're like, what? Was she being tongue in cheek? I don't know exactly. She kinda. It was a weird thing to say.

• 1:53:32Speaker 03

  It's still, that is a weird thing for any representative of your government to say. If anyone sat there and said, just went, you know, I think America is the greatest country in the world. Well, Finland, I guess, is the greatest and we're number two. You'd be like, what? I'm like, Finland's a cool country. I got nothing against them, but what are you talking about? You know? And, but really, I do think the, well, it's, it's the relationship. It's how horrible what Israel's doing is. And it's how clearly it's not in our national interest. There's also weird stuff.

• 1:54:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, uh, how about this guy, um, that got arrested in Las Vegas?

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. Alexandrovitch or something like that?

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  So, he gets arrested for propositioning a young boy for sex. He gets, uh-

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  Was it a boy?

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  I believe so.

• 1:54:17Speaker 03

  Maybe, um, yeah, yeah, okay.

• 1:54:18Joe Rogan?

  Is that correct?

• 1:54:18Speaker 03

  I don't know. You know, I, I read a couple articles about it-

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  We'll figure out. Jamie will do a little deep dive on this.

• 1:54:24Speaker 03

  Well, they said that he showed up with condoms, was what I read in the article, to meet what he thought was a fifteen-year-old. I forgot the detail that it was a boy. Not that it changes things much.

• 1:54:34Joe Rogan?

  Unless he's one of those dudes that's like, you never know. Carries a condom with him everywhere. Fucking never know. There was always those guys when I was a kid that had like the condom mark in their wallet.

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  Hey, bro, never fucking know. Like, but, but don't you know, if you look at your life on average, like, the odds of you getting laid are so little. And yet you have this fucking lucky charm in your pocket.

• 1:54:55Speaker 03

  And by the time you see the condom, you're like, I don't think you should use that one, by the way. I think you should go get a new one.

• 1:55:00Joe Rogan?

  That thing's broken down by your ass rubbing up against it for fucking three years.

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  You can't even read what the fucking Trojan label says anymore.

• 1:55:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was our, yeah, that was a different time.

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, different time. Um, so, here it is. A girl, okay. Israeli government official charged with soliciting a minor believed he was meeting a fifteen-year-old girl for sexual contact, according to police. Brought a condom to the planned rendezvous in Las Vegas.

• 1:55:30Joe Rogan?

  Um, Alexandrovitch, uh, division head of the Israel National Cyber Directorate, was arrested in a police sting operation aimed at online users seeking sexually prey on children. The Las Vegas outlet Eight News Now reported that Alexandrovitch chatted with an officer posing as a teenager online before being arrested. Sexual contact included bringing a condom and taking the decoy to Cirque du Soleil, which stages elaborate shows along the Las Vegas trips, had police documents seen by Eight News Now. Details the arrest came, the State Department denied the US government played any role in releasing the Israeli official after Alexandrovitch was able to return to Israel

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  once he had bonded out of jail in connection with the felony charge. Wow.

• 1:56:19Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:56:20Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of crazy that you just.

• 1:56:22Speaker 03

  Well, I heard, so I heard some people claiming, and I'm not sure what's right about this, but there were people who were arguing that like the website or the app or whatever that he was on is 18 and up. And so they were saying like, no, he thought he was meeting an adult or something like that.

• 1:56:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is what I thought too, is like, how do we know that this isn't a setup?

• 1:56:40Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:56:41Joe Rogan?

  I'm always, how do I know this isn't Richard Nixon 2.0?

• 1:56:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:56:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. You know, I'd like to assume that we got a piece of shit and they arrested him and then I'd not like to assume that. Then all of a sudden, he gets released and he gets to flee the country and never face consequences. I don't want that to be true, but I also. I don't know what the fuck happened.

• 1:57:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, the.

• 1:57:04Joe Rogan?

  This is kind of convenient.

• 1:57:05Speaker 03

  From what I've read about it, I believe he has a court date coming up in a few days.

• 1:57:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he'll be back.

• 1:57:09Speaker 03

  And so that's, well, that's going to be the, a big tell there, right? Is, you know, it's, it's crazy to me. I've been blown away by this in lots of ways over the last couple of years, but how bad the Israeli PR game is. You know, and that like, it's, it's almost like they were just so accustomed to the old way of doing things.

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  They're so accustomed to people being terrified of being labeled antisemitic.

• 1:57:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, you, someone criticizes you, you label them as a bigot and you destroy their lives and that works. Doesn't work anymore.

• 1:57:38Joe Rogan?

  Minor jokes.

• 1:57:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, and there's like.

• 1:57:43Speaker 03

  You know, I think it's a, so I've been using this like analogy, comparison lately. And I think like, so if you remember when Joe Biden had that disastrous debate with Donald Trump? And everybody, like the debate opens and everybody watching it knows this is over. Joe Biden is, I mean, it was so bad, but it's not just that it was so bad. I mean, it's, it's the, you know, before the debate, you know, you, there's Rachel Maddow at a desk with a bunch of people. We're now going to the first presidential debate. Joe Biden's going to kick his ass. They were already talking about how it was, uh, remember the term deep fakes? That they came up with where it's, it's, or cheap fakes, I'm sorry.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cheap fakes.

• 1:58:20Speaker 03

  It's not a deep fake, but it's kind of like a deep fake. See, they're showing you a real video of Joe Biden being senile, but see, that's just as fake. is a deep fake because they didn't include the context or something like that. That was the talking point that right before we go into the debate. The debate cuts, it goes back to the same panel and they go, we got to find a new candidate. Like they had, they acknowledged that and part of the reason why we all knew it was over in that debate. Was it wasn't just how bad the debate was. It was that now you have to admit this. You know, you were pretending this thing didn't exist. Now you got to admit it exists. And once you admit it exists, there's now a microscope on Joe Biden like there never was before. So tomorrow, when he's doing an interview and he mixes up a name.

• 1:59:04Speaker 03

  That may not have been such a big deal two days ago. But after that debate performance, when he mixes up another name, now you're like, look, there it is again. He's senile. Everything became amplified after that point. And I think. Don't you think they set him up? Yes, yes, but sure, that's his whole separate issue, but yes, I do think they set him up. Um, but I think a similar thing has happened with Israel. Where now everyone's looking at it and everyone's watching and everyone's going, wait, what the hell is going on here? That's a great analogy. What, what is this? So that wait, a pedophile can just go flee to Israel? How many other pedophiles have gone and fled to Israel? And now it's like, oh my God, they've opened Pandora's box and there's just, I think, no way to put this back in because it's too weird.

• 1:59:49Speaker 03

  It's too weird to not notice. And that doesn't mean you have to like, jump to the conclusion of like, you know, you have to hate Jewish people or something like that. I'm not advocating anything like that. But you do kind of have to question the relationship between DC and Tel Aviv. And like, what is going on here? Because this is so utterly bizarre. You know, it's so crazy to see like, the, the American people are against what Israel's doing to Gaza. It obviously hurts America's, it hurts our, uh, as the, they use in the preamble to the constitution. I like that, that phrase, domestic tranquility, right? This is destroying our domestic tranquility. We got protests, we got people fighting over this stuff. We're pissing off the Muslim world again, which we've already had to deal with them hating our guts. We're deporting students.

• 2:00:33Speaker 03

  We're deporting stu- legal residents because they had the wrong opinion. This is all. And like, it's impossible to not look at this and go like, hey, what's going on here? And they don't have any answer for that. And, you know, the other thing, too, is that it's just, I don't know if you've noticed this, but there's like, there's a lot of people now trying to jump off of the sinking ship. You know, a lot of people who are even like supporters of Israel, who are kind of going like, I think they are going a little too far on this one. And they're trying, because it's just, you see, you can see the writing on the wall, all over the place, man. Like, you're gonna be, you're gonna be looked at, this is gonna be the period, and it's not even like supporting the war in Iraq. It's like, much worse than that, dude. Like, you're just supporting this destruction. They just launched another offensive on Gaza City the other day.

• 2:01:17Speaker 03

  They're bombing rubble. Like, it's just, it's biblical levels of evil. And, you know, we're sitting here, like, even as we're having this conversation now, I don't, like, I know, like, a few, I remember, like, coming on the podcast, like, you know, a couple of years ago, and like, when this conflict first started, and then when it would go, and it was almost like I was coming on, like, like, to be like, look, let me present the argument for why we shouldn't support what Israel's doing here. And let me, like, try to, like, present the other side of the debate. I feel now like the debate's over. I don't even think there's, like, much of a debate to be had. I'll keep doing them if somebody wants to come debate about the issue. But what are we talking about here?

• 2:01:57Speaker 03

  Dude, South Africa brought a genocide case to the International Court of Justice, and the International Court of Justice ruled that what Israel was doing to Gaza was plausibly a genocide. Twenty-one months ago. Twenty-one months ago. They said this was plausibly a genocide. And the thing's gone on the entire time since then. There was a huge Haaretz piece a couple of months ago, about, you know, because we've seen so many examples of this, but they had IDF soldiers off the record, and one, at least one, on the record, saying that they were given orders to fire live rounds into the crowds of desperate people trying to get food. Who have literally been used, having starvation throughout Gaza.

• 2:02:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know if you saw this, dude. I mean, I couldn't, I actually, like, found this hilarious, but I'm a comedian who has a real twisted, dark sense of humor. But, uh, um, the Free Press, Barry Weiss's, uh, publication, like, ran a piece, uh, like, debunking.

• 2:02:57Speaker 03

  The starvation in Gaza and one of the examples, I'm not making this up, like you go look at this. I'm not, I mean, I'm very close to exactly accurate on this. One of the examples they picked was it like a kid who was starving to death. And their attempt at debunking it was that actually this kid had another major issue. When an Israeli bomb cracked his skull.

• 2:03:22Speaker 03

  So that's your defense that like, yes, he starved to death, but it was also, you know, with these other complications. This was the big one where the New York Times had that big picture of the starving baby. And then they made a big thing out of being like, nobody had other medical, you know, problems too. And then the mother had said, well, they said, he's, the mother said that the doctors told her that the reason they had other medical problems is because she was malnourished during pregnancy. You know, it's like, okay, so that's, so yes, you're, you are right, Israel defenders. The kids starving to death are the ones who have other complications. That's always who dies first in famines. I don't know what like victory you think this is, but so since this point, since the, I, the International Court of Justice ruled it was plausibly a genocide.

• 2:04:05Speaker 03

  The 21 months up to today, since then, I know at least to Ehud Omar and Ehud Barak, both former prime ministers of Israel. Have come out and said Netanyahu is committing war crimes in Gaza. Now they didn't call it a genocide, but they called it war crimes. So that's where your debate is at this point. Where are we between genocide and war crimes? What area in there does this occupy? But how the, how the fuck do you defend any of that, dude?

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if this is true, so I want to look it up before we commit to this. But someone sent me something saying that Grok was pulled from Twitter, from X, whatever. Because Grok had said that Israel was committing a genocide.

• 2:04:51Joe Rogan?

  So someone asked Grok whether Israel was committing a genocide allegedly. And I want to find out if this is true because I saw this article and I was running out of the house. I was like, what the fuck?

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  But then it was reinstated. So I don't know if those posts were deleted. I don't know if this is real.

• 2:05:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  But I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked. I read it and I'm like, I could see how that could happen. I could see, first of all, how it could interpret it as a genocide when they're not alone. I mean, if Grok is just a large language model that's pulling from the internet, what's the general consensus worldwide?

• 2:05:31Speaker 03

  Definitely more on that side, yeah.

• 2:05:32Joe Rogan?

  More on that side.

• 2:05:33Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  And then if you look at the sheer numbers of people that have died, which we don't even really have an accurate count of, what is the number? What's the number of casualties now?

• 2:05:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, there was, well, there was just a, um, uh...

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  So here it is.

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Grok account briefly suspended on X. Okay, what does it say here? "The reason for Grok's brief suspension on X was August 11, 2025, remains unclear as no official statement from X or XAI has been provided," the bot said when asked why its account was removed. However, Grok itself claimed in now-deleted posts that the suspicion was "due to comments it made accusing Israel and the US of committing genocide in Gaza." Citing sources like ICJ, International Council of Justice rulings, UN reports, Amnesty International, and I don't know how to say that word.

• 2:06:27Speaker 03

  Betsalem.

• 2:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Betsalem. "These posts were flagged for violating X hateful conduct rules," the statement added. The press team for stating-

• 2:06:37Speaker 03

  That's just so funny, dude.

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  This is so crazy. "The press team for X did not immediately respond to the Hill's request for comments. Users have criticized Grok for providing anti-Semitic responses to questions in recent months." What anti-Semitic responses? However, X's owner Elon Musk...

• 2:06:54Joe Rogan?

  X's owner Elon Musk said in a Monday post, "The bot's account removal was just a dumb error. Grok doesn't actually know why it was suspended." Is he Grok? This is like, "Me don't know. Me don't know why we is actually suspended." Upon its reinstatement, the Grok account wrote, "Zup beaches, I'm back and more based than ever." Okay. Did anybody ask it again? Why don't you ask it right now?

• 2:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Let's go to Grok and ask Grok right now.

• 2:07:22Speaker 03

  It's gonna give a more politically correct answer at this point, I bet.

• 2:07:25Joe Rogan?

  Be fascinated to see what it says.

• 2:07:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm not sure.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Is Israel committing genocide in Gaza?

• 2:07:37Joe Rogan?

  What do you think it's gonna say?

• 2:07:39Speaker 03

  I'm guessing politically correct answer, some argue yes, some say no.

• 2:07:43Joe Rogan?

  Let's see.

• 2:07:47Joe Rogan?

  This must be, like, constantly being questioned now. I mean, it must be.

• 2:07:55Speaker 03

  I'm sure, yes.

• 2:07:56Joe Rogan?

  It must have a bunch of different... Oh, it's giving us a slow trickle.

• 2:08:00Speaker 05

  Well, I've been in expert mode, so it's thinking.

• 2:08:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, searching the web. Okay. It's going to Amnesty International, "Amnesty International, December 2024, report concludes Israel is committing genocide, citing killings and harmful conditions." So now it's saying it's citing the sources. "Many human rights organizations in UN reports suggest genocide citing deaths and destruction."

• 2:08:23Speaker 05

  This is just its thinking pattern.

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, I get it. So now, then it'll eventually evaluate?

• 2:08:28Speaker 05

  It'll eventually, yes, but I don't answer.

• 2:08:30Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, if you ask it, an impossible trigonometry problem, it'll give you the answer instantaneously. Okay, here it goes. "Term genocide is defined, 1948 UN Convention, the prevention and punishment of the crimes of genocide as acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or part a national ethi- uh, ethnical, racial, or religious group. These acts include killing members of the group." Okay, gun, da-da-da-da-da. "The ongoing conflict in Gaza stems from..." I get it, I know what that is.

• 2:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay, allegations of genocide, prohibited acts intense. So it's giving you a very nuanced response.

• 2:09:09Joe Rogan?

  "International Court of Justice, in response to South Africa's case filed in December 2023, ruled in January 20... eh, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, 2024 that genocide claims are plausible, and issued provisional measures ordering Israel to prevent genocidal acts." And this is quite a while ago, in 2023.

• 2:09:27Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay, scroll down.

• 2:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Notable deniers. Israel's government calls accusations baseless and outrageous, emphasizing compliance with international law and investigations into misconduct. The US has described claims as unfounded. Analysis like the BESA Center report, July 2025, and ACJ 2025 July argue no evidence of starvation, massacres, or disproportionate strikes and criticize data manipulation by Hamas. Contextual challenges. Urban warfare against embodied insurgency complicates operations. Accusations ignore Hamas's role in aid diversion and civilian endangerment.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Some scholars note that while harm is severe, competing motives like counterterrorism preclude genocide findings. The issue remains highly contested and politically charged, while human rights bodies in ICJ have found plausibility in genocide claims, warranting preventive measures. No international court has issued a final guilty verdict, and determinations hinge on ongoing investigations. Yeah, I don't know, man. It sounds like a different answer.

• 2:10:43Speaker 03

  I mean, whatever. That's a reasonable enough.

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  It's very nuanced. It allows you to form your own opinion based on what many people say, including what Israel says. So it's not going to give you an answer. It's essentially saying, figure it out.

• 2:10:58Speaker 03

  Which I, you know, like, I don't have a problem with that.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't have a problem with that at all. I mean, that's what I would like it to do, especially if there's debate.

• 2:11:04Speaker 03

  Well, also, I mean, I think one of the, you know, the real problems, and this is why I kind of like avoided using the term genocide too much, at least in the beginning, is that it's, there's no good definition for genocide. You know, like, that definition they gave you at the beginning is the official, codified under international law definition. It's attempting to destroy a group in whole or in part. Well, like, what the hell does that mean? You know, and that's why they could say, you know, Hamas committed a genocide on October 7th. You know, it's like, I don't know, they destroyed a group in part, they, and the whole South African case that they brought to the ICJ was- Basically, the entire case was just the Israelis in their own words. Like, their argument was that, like, there's a genocidal intent here.

• 2:11:47Speaker 03

  Like, when Benjamin Netanyahu's talking to a group of military and calls them Amalek. Well, like, what? You know, the story of Amalek from the Bible is that the the moral of the story was you have to kill all the women and children. Like, that's what the story was about. I think you even had to kill the ox or something like that. I'm not an expert in the Bible. But it was like, that was, that was the point. It was like an ancient tribe that was beefing with the Israelites. And they were like, yo, you, the moral was you have to kill all the women and children, too. And that's a crazy thing to say at the beginning of a war. But the thing is that, whether you consider what Israel's doing a genocide, or you just take the moderate position of former Israeli prime ministers who say it's war crimes, I think the bigger point is just like, it is so horrifically evil. Then no one should support this.

• 2:12:32Speaker 03

  It's just, it's crazy. It is, it is so insane to support Israel doing this to what are, in effect, their own people. Like, they may not consider them their own people, but I don't care what they consider. I care what they have power over. You know, like, the, you know, Hitler maybe didn't consider the Jews his own people, but it doesn't matter, dude. Once you have control of that country, those people are your people. Like, you have an obligation to them. Israel has had control of Gaza since 1967. They've been the sovereign, and all the way through. You know, people could talk about the disengagement in 2005, but that doesn't mean anything. They still controlled the whole strip. They just didn't have their soldiers inside. They had them around the perimeter.

• 2:13:17Speaker 03

  Doesn't matter, you're still controlling those people. And so, like, if, if you have resistance, even violent resistance, to a 60-year-long occupation, you don't get to just say, like, all right, we'll just turn off electricity to the whole place. We'll just cut off water to the whole place. We'll let no food in for three straight months. Not one grain of wheat got into Gaza. And that, by the way, is a direct quote from their finance minister, Smotrich, and not one grain of wheat will get in. And then a few months later, you go, oh, no, these people starving, they had pre-existing conditions.

• 2:13:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a hoax.

• 2:13:52Speaker 03

  Come on, man. Like, what are we doing here? And, and particularly when it's like...

• 2:13:59Speaker 03

  It's just very obvious that this doesn't, this doesn't serve our country's interest in any way at all. Yeah, it was a binge. I was listening to Netanyahu, who's an interview he did the other day. He was on, um, on with our friend, uh, Konstantin Kassan on, uh, trigonometry. And what was he saying? He goes, "We're fighting Hamas, so you don't have to..." Or something like, "Does anybody, what? Anybody believe that Hamas was about to mount an attack on the United States of America? They were gonna take over if it wasn't for Israel sticking up for us and just destroying the entire strip?" And it's ridicu- it's like, you'll still, to this day, I'll be in like, a debate, or like, a panel, or something like that, and someone will still start with the question, like,

• 2:14:41Speaker 03

  "Do you think Israel has the right to exist?" And isn't it amazing that over the last two years, that's been the question that's asked so much, when very clearly, a more relevant question would have been, "Does Gaza have a right to exist?" Because it doesn't now. You know, like, that was the only existence that was ever up for debate, but they flipped the thing around and go, "Well, you don't think Israel has a right to exist?" Like, first of all, I don't think governments have rights at all. I think that's a totally incoherent worldview, and the only coherent worldview is that individuals have rights. There aren't like, these massive right, you know, it's like Mitt Romney saying corporations are people, or something like that. But I think all people have the right to exist.

• 2:15:22Speaker 03

  Um, I think Israel does not have a right to do what it's doing to Gaza. And, you know, the, you know-

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  And the real question is, how does this end?

• 2:15:32Speaker 03

  Well, it seems to be with ethnically cleansing, the entire strip seems the most likely bet, right now.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  And then what do they do with Gaza? Like, how long is it gonna take before that even looks normal again?

• 2:15:43Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I don't-

• 2:15:44Joe Rogan?

  If you look at the massive destruction, just the sheer scope of it-

• 2:15:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like 80% of the structures have been leveled.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. If anybody flying over that with a drone, and they tell you that's the only way they could have done this, that seems nuts.

• 2:15:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:59Joe Rogan?

  And the fact they keep doing it.

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  It's like, how does this end? You know? Like, what happens if, if the, you know, Israel has publicly said, and Netanyahu talked about it on the podcast, that they're losing the PR, or what do you call, did you say PR propaganda?

• 2:16:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, something like the PR.

• 2:16:18Joe Rogan?

  PR campaign. But what does that mean? That means the people see what's going on and they don't support it. And you think they're wrong. Okay, well, how, how much further can you go with this before everybody disagrees?

• 2:16:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, and well, also, part of the reason why, you know, people, it's like, because, I don't know, people have just, you don't have the controlled propaganda apparatus anymore. And so, the, the thing is now, for the people, like, obviously, there are still a lot of people who just don't really pay attention, you know, that deeply, but for somebody who's listening, let's say, to Netanyahu's interview with, with Konstantin, I'd have to say, like, a large portion of them at this point, you're listening to podcasts about politics, right? Like, you're, you're not completely removed from this world. There have been so many Israel-Palestine debates over the last two years. It's almost everyone who's watching this has at least seen what some competent person on the other side of this issue has had to say.

• 2:17:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:18Speaker 03

  And so, like, one of the, you know, they brought up at one point, and they really did, you know, I, I thought Konstantin did a reasonably good job in, in the interview, the two, I forget his, uh, what's his, his partner's name?

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  Francis.

• 2:17:27Speaker 03

  The two of them, I thought they did all right. Um, I thought they were a little, you know, there were times they could have asked some follow-up questions, particularly the one that I thought they let him off the hook with, was when they asked him about his support for Hamas. And they just totally let him go like, oh, well, you know, we needed to make sure that people weren't suffering too bad, and let some aid in, and it's like, no, dude, that's not. And they, the thing is that so many people listening to this have already heard this explained. You know what I mean? Where it's like, uh, I remember, like, a, a couple of years ago, where I was, uh, when I was talking with you, I was saying, hey, you know, Coleman Hughes got this all wrong when he was on your podcast. And Coleman Hughes had basically said, there's one quote that's attributed to Netanyahu, but like, it wasn't on video or anything like that. And I was like, no, no, no, dude, this case is much bigger than one quote that was attributed to him.

• 2:18:12Speaker 03

  By the way, since then, a video came out of him saying it on video. There's actually a video now of that quote. It's not just the reports.

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  What is the quote?

• 2:18:20Speaker 03

  Uh, well, the quote that was, uh, they had the video of was that we can control the height of the flame. So he was basically saying like, we can commit, the, the quote that originally he said, um, which was in a closed door Knesset meeting with Likud party members where there were like three people who were eyewitnesses who came and told them. It was originally reported in the Jerusalem Post was that he was like, look, anybody who wants to thwart the existence of a Palestinian state has to support our plan of propping up Hamas and transferring money to them because this is what gives us a, a no one to negotiate with certificate. And then he said, we can control the height of the flame. Meaning like, I know what you're thinking.

• 2:19:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:01Speaker 03

  I'm funding these terrorists right on our southern border, but like, don't worry about it. We can control, you know, the height of the flame. And then he found out he couldn't on October 7th. Um, but any, but so they let him off the hook with that and people have just kind of heard this laid out. I mean, it's not like I just say this on podcasts. There's been major pieces written in the New York Times, in the, um, the Times of, uh, Israel, the, and Haaretz, in the Jerusalem Post, in the Washington Post, like this is all over the place. And he just goes, no, no, no, no, we were just like trying to get some funding in there for the people. Like at this point, anyone believes that Benjamin Netanyahu was motivated by helping the poor people of Gaza rather than by thwarting a Palestinian state.

• 2:19:42Joe Rogan?

  What was his response? Cause I, I do know that they asked him about the failure of intelligence on October 7th. What was his response to the failure of, just how long it took them to react to it?

• 2:19:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. I remember that. I, I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember thinking there was not much of substance to it. He kinda just danced around it, you know? And, and they also didn't get into specifically like, you know, at first they started asking him questions about like, what was it like for you on that day? But they didn't get into questions about like, why was the response time so long? How was this possibly able to happen?

• 2:20:20Joe Rogan?

  They didn't ask that?

• 2:20:21Speaker 03

  No, not really. I mean, they didn't push him on that. And then he, you know, said, which I mean, just think about how unimpressive this is, is that he basically just went, oh, there should be a full investigation. You know, there should be a full investigation onto that from the top all the way down to the bottom.

• 2:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Nice thing to say.

• 2:20:37Speaker 03

  And you're like, okay. Hey, this would be awesome. Could we get the Prime Minister of Israel on the line? Cause like, maybe he could do something about this. They're like, oh no, that's you. So like, why? It's almost two years later. What are you talking about, dude? Have the investigation. What, you can't conduct an investigation while you're destroying the Gaza Strip? What is it? Have to wait till after that? You got time to do a podcast?

• 2:20:57Joe Rogan?

  Did they ask him about the protests?

• 2:21:00Speaker 03

  I don't think so. But, uh, you know, I don't.

• 2:21:03Joe Rogan?

  Because there were protests before October 7th.

• 2:21:05Speaker 03

  Yes, there's also been protests this week. By the way, massive protests in Tel Aviv. I think from, I read a few articles about it in that the estimate seemed to be 500,000 people were out in the streets protesting the war. And thank God for that, man. And thank God for just like, uh, and oh, by the way, the protests were led, um, or I don't know, like led, but the, the featured acts at the protest were the families of hostages and surviving hostages. They're the ones leading the charge being like, stop doing this. You know, cause like, if you think about it, I mean, could you imagine? You know, if you try to put yourself in the place of like, having someone you really love is a hostage. Like Hamas has taken them hostage and they're trapped in one of these tunnels.

• 2:21:49Speaker 03

  And then you hear the plan is to cut off all food to the area and you're like, yo. Like what? How is that gonna help your loved one who's a hostage there? Like, how is it just, just bombing the place gonna, like, what if you hit them? Like, what, you know what I mean? Like this, it's like, obviously if your main goal was hostage retrieval, this is not at all the way you would go about doing that. Um, and you know, it's like, uh, this was a point, by the way, that, that Daryl Cooper was making on Tucker Carlson's podcast, which got him a whole lot, in a whole lot of trouble and got him a whole lot of pushback on. But I think the essence of his point was about starvation blockades. And then like saying like, you know, you're, you put a starvation blockade on Nazi Germany or something like that.

• 2:22:34Speaker 03

  You go, okay, cause the Nazis are your enemies and they're real bad guys. So you wanna do that. But like, do you think Adolf Hitler's not eating? Do you think any of his soldiers aren't eating? And that's gonna be first priority, right? Nazi party members and the Nazi military are gonna get, who is maybe not gonna get food? Probably the most disenfranchised people in that society, right?

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  They're already in a concentration camp.

• 2:22:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, well, and then, well, some of them were, I guess, at that point, and some of them weren't. But there's-

• 2:23:01Joe Rogan?

  But isn't it amazing that that's controversial to say? That it's, this is not a nuanced discussion?

• 2:23:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Like, that that's not a factor?

• 2:23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. And, and look, they, they were using, um, which was a, you know, a horrible picture, but they had the image of one of those, um, there was like some pictures that had come out of one of the remaining hostages there, who did look like, you know, in bad shape, looked like close to starvation, you know? And then the, the Israel supporters were using this as like their propaganda, like, look how horrible Hamas is, look what they're doing to them. And you're like, yeah, but this did come after three months of zero food being allowed into Gaza. And so like, I don't know, to me, it seems like it probably doesn't take a genius to go like, um, you know, Hamas is gonna be fed. Like, they're not going to suffer from these hunger strikes.

• 2:23:49Speaker 03

  And in fact, a lot of the pro-Israel people were, and the Israeli government themselves, they were making claims, a lot of them unsubstantiated, but making claims that like Hamas is stealing all of the food. We let aid in previously, but Hamas stole it all. Then they mark it up and charge more money for it to the people of Gaza. And you're like, okay, but then what does a food blockade do? I mean, you already said, it's not taking food away from Hamas, right? So who's the war against? It's the civilian population. And of course, you'd, you'd imagine, like, just like under Nazi Germany, you'd imagine Jews and gypsies and other, they're gonna get the worst treatment in a totally centralized war economy. The, the state is gonna decide who eats and who doesn't eat.

• 2:24:33Speaker 03

  Who do you think they're gonna pick? You know, it's, it's like,

• 2:24:39Speaker 03

  this stuff just leads to like unbelievable amounts of human suffering. And it's a-

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  And again, how does it send?

• 2:24:45Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, you know, there's, I guess there's some competing plans like Donald Trump said kind of flippantly a few months back that America was gonna take over the Gaza Strip and turn it into a big, beautiful property.

• 2:24:57Joe Rogan?

  It sounded like he was talking shit.

• 2:24:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too. That was what I thought too.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  He said it right beside Netanyahu and it's just seemed bizarre that he was doing that.

• 2:25:06Speaker 03

  Very strange. But then Netanyahu said, much more recently, just the other, it was a week or two ago, said that Israel is gonna take over the Gaza Strip. Which that sounds much more likely to me. You know, I think, so I think this is the weird dynamic kind of here is that I think it's not, they're not like so stupid that I'm aware of something that like these guys aren't aware of, right? Like they know that they've lost control of the media, they know they've lost control of the narrative, and they know that they've lost control of the youth in America. And that at some point, you know, those 70-year-olds watching cable news are gonna age out and die, and the people in charge are gonna be this generation that has a totally different view of Israel than

• 2:25:51Speaker 03

  previous generations. They know that, but then, the question becomes like, what do you do with that information? And so I think that there is a part of Netanyahu and the Israeli war cabinet and the Israeli government who are looking at this and going, alright, so we got, we got like 10 more years of this relationship. You know, we got like 10 more years of where the US has our back and we can do whatever we want. And so, you could see where the conclusion from that might be, we gotta go for it now. Like if you really do have this greater, greater Israel project, well, right now, under the Trump administration, this is your moment. He has already vowed, he's gonna do whatever to support Israel, he is totally on your side, you have this administration, there's every last member

• 2:26:36Speaker 03

  of this administration supports Israel. So now's the time. Annex Gaza and the West Bank. And, you know, parts of Syria too, and whatever else they wanna do. So I think they might be going for it, you know? And then, I don't know, we'll see.

• 2:26:51Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they started bombing Iran, that's what I thought.

• 2:26:54Speaker 03

  I was like, oh, boy. Well, they tried. They tried to suck Trump into a regime change war there, you know, and it didn't. It didn't work. Um, but the whole thing, you know, the whole, the whole 12 day war, first of all, this thing is not over. Um, we're kind of at like the, the fundamentals of the conflict are all still there. And in fact, I think there was just a few days ago, like there were a couple like Israeli spokesmen who were already signaling like, we may have to go, you know, see about this again. Netanyahu himself said when him and Trump met in the White House, and was a really fascinating moment, which, you know, I'm not trying to make too much of, but it was pretty hilarious in a way, like a little microcosm,

• 2:27:34Speaker 03

  where they asked Donald Trump at one point, they go, so is that it with Iran? Like, are we, is the war continuing or is it over? And he goes, well, you know, I really, I don't really want to see it continue, but maybe that's a better question for Bibi. And you're like, what? Wait, what? He's, oh, I'm sorry. You're like, well, my boss is right here, so you might as well ask him. Which is not exactly true, you know, I'm not saying that. I know Jeffrey Sachs, who I love, who is a real expert, not like me or Douglas Murray, but a real expert, uh, who's, you know, I don't agree with him on everything, but his foreign policy is very good. Um, but he said, and I think he was saying it kind of tongue in cheek, but he said, I, I regard Netanyahu as the worst US president of my lifetime, which is a funny, a very funny line. Um, and I get what he's saying. Well, how long has he been running Israel?

• 2:28:19Speaker 03

  Well, he, he came, he was prime minister first in 1996, and then he's had a few stints where he was out. But he's been in and out. So they have a completely different setup, obviously. Yeah, you can keep coming back. Yeah. And so he was, uh, but he's the longest serving prime minister in Israeli history, uh, at this point. And, but I will say that there are people, you know, I know people go down, you know, rabbit holes on Twitter and stuff like that. And I don't, I do think Jeffrey Sachs is, well, I think he was being somewhat tongue in cheek when he said it, but I do think he's overstating his hand. It's not that Israel runs America. If Netanyahu ran America, I can promise you, we would have had a regime change war in Iran. We would not have stopped where Donald Trump stopped. If Netanyahu was.

• 2:29:04Speaker 03

  Actually in control of the US military instead of just having significant influence over it. So like, I do think there's, I mean, I've just read enough about Netanyahu, the Likudniks, the neo cons. This is the regime change war that they've wanted. This is their seventh. This is seven out of seven to get Iran. So this is what they want. And if you actually even look at the war itself, it was like they, when Trump, it was before and after Trump dropped the bunker busters on their nuclear sites, Israel just started bombing regime targets. They weren't just bombing their nuclear sites. They were trying to overthrow the regime. And in fact, they like made calls to these Iranian generals and threatened their families. Basically said, we're going to kill your families unless you guys flee right now. It just didn't work.

• 2:29:49Speaker 03

  They weren't going to do that. And then once that didn't work, they were kind of like, and then Iran gave Trump an out. You know, they responded with this nonsense, you know, the same thing they did after they, after Trump killed Soleimani, where they fire these rockets, they give us advance warning. They make sure we move everyone out of the way. So because they know, they know they don't want to kill an American there because then it's full scale war. But like if they hadn't, you know, it's so funny because like we put all of this in the mullah's hands. And if they had just decided, which every military analyst concludes, they can touch Americans in the region. They didn't. Had they, this would have been the, and I think that was the goal.

• 2:30:32Speaker 03

  I think that was Netanyahu's goal of it was to provoke that response that would have led to a regime change war. And it didn't work. And Trump, you know, to his credit, his instinct is to deescalate these things when he can. But also to Trump's, you know, fault, never should have gotten in the thing to begin with. It was all, the whole Iranian nuclear threat is as much bullshit as the Iraqi nuclear threat. I mean, yeah, it is true that they have a civilian nuclear program that Iraq didn't have. And it is, I know I saw when Mike Baker was on, who I love, I love Mike Baker, but I think he's wrong about all this stuff. But when he was, when you, even you had said to him at one point where you were like, yeah, but like, you know, the counter argument to that is that this is like a latent. Nuclear deterrent is the idea, not that they're developing a nuclear weapon.

• 2:31:18Speaker 03

  And, and Mike was basically like, yeah, but they're up to 60%, you know? And that's on its way to 90%. But the thing is, why weren't they at 90%? They didn't have to stop at 60%. They mastered the fuel cycle and they figured out all this technology a long time ago. They could have, they could have enriched up to weapons grade. Why did they stop at 60%? And why did they then enter negotiations with the United States of America? About the level to which they were enriching uranium? Because it's that, it's a latent nuclear deterrent. It's a bargaining chip. They were down at like three to 5% or something. Under the JCPOA until Trump tore it up. Until Trump backed out of it. And then, under the rules of the JCPOA, because they're still in it with Europe. And we'll see where that goes now.

• 2:32:01Speaker 03

  But they were allowed to up the enrichment once America pulled out. And so they exercised that option in the agreement. And there, you know, the idea that they were, um, you know, there, look, there was the, the annual threat assessment. I'd come out just a few months before the war. And Tulsi Gabbard signed her name at the bottom of it and then testified before Congress. And it's clear as day. She turned around and acted like people were misrepresenting it, but they weren't. It was clear as day. Anyone can read it for themselves. Said they have, Iran has not made the political decision to pursue a nuclear weapon yet. Let alone have achieved it or gotten one. And when Donald Trump was asked about that, remember they said, your own director of national intelligence says that they're not developing a weapon.

• 2:32:45Speaker 03

  And he goes, well, I disagree.

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen the, I'm sure you have, the compilation of Netanyahu over the years saying how close Iran is to getting a nuclear weapon?

• 2:32:54Speaker 03

  That's great. Have you seen, there's other compilations of him too, where he's just guaranteeing? Like all his guarantees. Like there's one of him in like, I think it's the year before I was born, if I'm right, it's 1982. And he didn't go by Benjamin Netanyahu back then. He went by whatever his more, you know, European sounded name was. And, uh,

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  Why did he change names?

• 2:33:15Speaker 03

  Well, because they all, they all,

• 2:33:16Joe Rogan?

  Know when.

• 2:33:17Speaker 03

  Of eighties, I would guess it's gotta be in the eighties. It was it was Netanyahu by the nineties. But in the eighties, they were still calling him whatever. I can't remember his his previous name.

• 2:33:27Joe Rogan?

  Why did he change the name?

• 2:33:28Speaker 03

  Well, they all kinda, you know, because the whole thing, Joe, is that they're all, you know, Israel was a European, you know, construct. They were made by a bunch of Europeans who came over and created Israel. But then they have to claim that they're the true Semitic people.

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  Is it true that that genetic testing is outlawed there?

• 2:33:45Speaker 03

  I believe that is true. I believe that's true. Are you double checking on that? But I believe it's true.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  We should definitely double check that.

• 2:33:51Speaker 03

  That you need like permission from the government to go get DNA tests and stuff. Cause I think, and I believe.

• 2:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the problem with the term Semitic.

• 2:33:59Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 2:34:00Joe Rogan?

  Because if these are European Jewish people, this is not the exact same genetics.

• 2:34:07Speaker 03

  That's right. And I.

• 2:34:10Joe Rogan?

  Genetic testing.

• 2:34:10Speaker 03

  Heavily regulated.

• 2:34:11Joe Rogan?

  Heavily. Here, you can fucking get it at Walgreens.

• 2:34:15Speaker 03

  That's right. Yeah.

• 2:34:17Joe Rogan?

  And focused on medical and reproductive purposes with broad support for carrier screening and pre-implantation diagnosis. What does that mean? Pre-implant- pre-implantation diagnosis? Uh, this creates a system where health-related genetic testing is robust and often publicly funded, but direct-to-consumer tests for ancestry or paternity are highly restricted. Now, why would you highly restrict anything like that? If you wanted just, if a human being has bodily autonomy and you want to find out where your ancestors came from, why wouldn't that be? What do you think, you know?

• 2:34:57Speaker 03

  Well, look, like the only, the only real answer to this is that they, you know, the the Israel project or design this project always relied on this kind of claim and which is a crazy claim in a way. It's like a like a supernatural property right claim. That, you know, like that you have this, which, you know, if you go, there was that great documentary on the settlers in the West Bank. And they'll all tell you to a man or to a woman, they focus a lot on that godmother of the settlers woman. But they'll all explain to you, like in very plain English with a Hebrew accent, that God promised them all this land. And so like God promised us all this land. So like, I don't know who these other people are here, but God didn't promise it to them. He promised it to us. And so, you know, that's, but that like,

• 2:35:41Speaker 03

  that's kind of the claim that we're the original people of this land. And so we have like a right to come back here. Now, forget for a second, the fact that nobody conceives of property rights in this fashion in any other, like, nobody thinks I could like come up with a DNA test and be like, oh, I've got some Ukrainian in here. All right. Well, I'm going to march into Ukraine, knock on a door and be like, this is actually my house because I was here a thousand years ago. Like that's

• 2:36:05Joe Rogan?

  But it's kind of crazy that you block evidence that that's not really a good argument.

• 2:36:10Speaker 03

  Well, let's just say hypothetically, if say the truth is that um, the Jews of 2000 years ago weren't actually kicked out of the land, but in fact, they were forced to convert. And that actually those people who you're saying were never promised the land are actually the people who were promised the land and then converted to Islam. And in fact, you're just some European who came in here way after that. That I'm just saying hypothetically, if that was the case, that would be something that maybe you would want to control the information of.

• 2:36:45Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that wild?

• 2:36:48Speaker 03

  Well, you know,

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't want this whole show to be such a Debbie Downer.

• 2:36:51Speaker 03

  Well, okay, I'll end, I'll, I will make a real positive, a real positive case about this. Okay. Cause I do actually, I'm not a pessimist and I want to make sure I'm not just a downer. You know, I saw

• 2:37:02Joe Rogan?

  Too late.

• 2:37:02Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, okay. Well, I'm trying. Okay. Well, I've done whatever. I've done 17 episodes being a downer. So let me, don't, I'll, you know, I'll give you a few minutes. You know, I saw, so I, I was, I hung out with Ron Paul a little bit as I was telling you, I was at his party the other day. And, um, you know, it's like, uh, every time I see him, he always asks me the same question. And it's always like the feeling like this like fatherly, like there's a right answer to this and a wrong answer to this. But I'm, he always goes, uh, he goes, so Dave, are you more optimistic or pessimistic?

• 2:37:36Speaker 03

  And I always say optimistic, because I know that's the correct, and every time he asks me this, and I say optimistic, he just nods his head. He's like, like, it's just like, correct. That's the correct answer. You're not allowed to be pessimistic. You gotta be optimistic. And I am, I am-

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, optimism sees a better world ahead and, and offers potential solutions. And at least a mindset-

• 2:37:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  -of a potential solution. The problem with pessimism is there's no way out, other than complete anarchy and destruction.

• 2:38:04Speaker 03

  That's right. And you don't, you kind of, I think this, I mean, I feel this way particularly, I think when you have kids, this becomes like a more focused, I, I think that, ah, the way I look at it is because I have kids, I don't have an option to be pessimistic. I don't have an option to be blackpilled, or just feel bad about it. It's like, I don't know, I got little kids. They're gonna inherit this world. I gotta do everything I can to, you know, like, I, uh, I may have said this before to you, but like, the example I think of is like, if you like, uh, let's say you're, you're in your house with your family, and like, you've, you've got, like, let's say a gun or two in the house. And then you look outside and you see like, there's like, uh, ten guys with guns charging the house. And it's just you. And you just have your one or two guns. There's ten guys with guns charging the house, and your family's in the house.

• 2:38:48Speaker 03

  Like, you don't have a right, as like, the man of your house, you don't have a right to sit there and go, "Oh, man, there's ten of them and only one of me." I mean, I just think the future looks bleak. It's like, what? I don't care. I don't know. You know your house better than them, right? What do you got there? You got some gasoline in your shed? Okay, shoot the shed. That blows up a few of them. Get, get your family into the attic, get them into the basement. You gotta try. You still have a fighting shot here. So you don't have a right to just sit there and feel bad about, yeah, the odds are against you, but you know, crazy things have happened. I will say, we-

• 2:39:20Joe Rogan?

  You think it's that bad, ten guys to one?

• 2:39:23Speaker 03

  No, I'm just saying, even in a scenario-

• 2:39:25Joe Rogan?

  And you're, in your analogy, it's like, you're fucked.

• 2:39:28Speaker 03

  Sure, but even in that, no, I don't know that you're not, I don't know that you're necessarily fucked. I mean, hey, listen, dude.

• 2:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Depends if you're John Wick.

• 2:39:36Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, but also you have, there's a big advantage to a house that you know that other people don't know.

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  I would assume by the time people with guns come to your house, they have a pretty good understanding of what your house is built like.

• 2:39:46Speaker 03

  Okay, maybe it's not the perfect, I'm not saying it's going to work out well. I'm saying in that moment, you still go out, you still go out trying, okay? Now, I think we have a way better situation than that. I think that.

• 2:39:56Joe Rogan?

  Good.

• 2:39:57Speaker 03

  The, I think that.

• 2:39:58Joe Rogan?

  You're freaking me out.

• 2:39:58Speaker 03

  Well, look, I think that tyranny has always relied on propaganda. And that we are running an experiment for like the first time where they're flying with no net. They don't have a propaganda apparatus anymore, like at all.

• 2:40:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, they certainly don't have control.

• 2:40:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:40:17Joe Rogan?

  Over narratives anymore.

• 2:40:18Speaker 03

  Donald Trump can't even control what Tucker Carlson is gonna say. You know what I mean? Like, like, you can't even count on your most influential right-wing voice in America to go, like, there was never anything like this before. There was never, even just in recent times, there was never something George W. Bush could have done. Where you'd be like, tonight on Fox News, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are gonna tear him apart. That didn't exist.

• 2:40:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:43Speaker 03

  There was never anything Obama could have done where Rachel Maddow was gonna tear him apart over that. Like, we have that for the first time now. People are waking up in a way to this stuff that's like never happened before.

• 2:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:55Speaker 03

  And I think that gives us like enormous potential for positive things to happen in the future. Now, and the other thing that's happening is that, like economically speaking, our, our system is being pushed to a point where eventually they're gonna have to call it quits on all of this. Like, we just can't keep going up, like, the, I think it was, I forget the exact recent numbers, but it's something like, it's over 1.2 trillion dollars a year just on interest on the debt. Interest on the debt is like overtaking the entire budget. And at a certain point there, someone's gonna have to call it quits. And be like, we just gotta start raining this thing back in. If they lose all of their popular support and all of their economic ability to.

• 2:41:38Speaker 03

  Keep running up the debt and keep the printing machines going. Then I think there there's gonna have to be a huge adjustment made there. And I do think like.

• 2:41:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, this was Elon's argument.

• 2:41:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, that's right.

• 2:41:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which is why he wanted this massive economic reform. And this is why he wanted to do an audio audit on everything. He saw how that worked out.

• 2:41:56Speaker 03

  Well, OK, but he was right. Yeah, but that was still also like the first attempt at that.

• 2:42:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:42:01Speaker 03

  And he was right about that stuff. So, OK, so so ye- yes. That didn't work. You know, Doge was a failure. In terms of actually getting cuts done right now. But it was a huge success in terms of like putting a spotlight on this issue. And and putting it into the national consciousness in a way that it's never been before.

• 2:42:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:42:20Speaker 03

  And so now it's like, OK, well, what will the second attempt? What will the third attempt like look like? And how, you know, we have a new world now where Donald Trump won the presidency in in no small part. By coming on this show, by going on Andrew Schultz show and Theo Von's show and, you know, like all these different. And and now. We're coming up on the next presidential election, like for the foreseeable future. In order to win the presidency, they kind of know they gotta come. Here and to all of our shows and present something that might get. You and your audience like, OK, he's he's coming with something here. This is such a new dynamic that I just think like the potential for good is off the charts.

• 2:43:04Speaker 03

  And so like, yeah, in the short term, things are still the same. Government policy is still what it is, and and the people don't really have much control over that. But I think like, long term, I'm very bullish on the ability of people to really wake up and understand what's going on here.

• 2:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Apparently, there's some real talk about. Uh, changing the uh, status of marijuana.

• 2:43:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I was reading about that a couple of weeks ago, right?

• 2:43:30Joe Rogan?

  But there's something that just came out yesterday, too. Where there they think that Trump might declassify it and take it from a schedule one to a schedule three. Which would change everything and open. There was an article about the economics of it. Because they were talking about these businesses, how they're taxed and how. You know federally, they're still operating like criminals.

• 2:43:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:43:53Joe Rogan?

  It's like, that's how it's viewed by, the federal government views it as a schedule one substance. You're, you know, like, and if you get arrested for it, you're fucked. Where they're gonna change the, right now, they have a limited ability to bank. There's, the interest rates are all fucked up, everything's fucked up. And just that alone would make a huge economic impact. I mean, if you, if you wanna do something, first of all, you would kill a lot of the interest, or, excuse me, a lot of the financial interests that the cartels have in it. If, if all of a sudden it becomes legal here, like, the cartels probably, they're probably gonna be involved still a little bit, because they're involved in it already. They're involved in avocados.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  I had Ed Calderon on yesterday, who's explaining how they're, they're involved in illegal fuel, the human trafficking is a giant business, they're, they have many, many horrible interests. But you would, at the very least, you would empower American businesses to do it legally.

• 2:44:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:44:52Joe Rogan?

  And normally, and, you know, have organic marijuana, air quotes, because some of the stuff they're finding in California that the cartel's running is, they're using these terrible pesticides and herbicides that are like insanely toxic and illegal everywhere else. You can't use them on American crops, but yet they're using them on this marijuana.

• 2:45:11Speaker 03

  And that's being sold at like dispensaries and stuff?

• 2:45:13Joe Rogan?

  No, that's being sold, it's 90% of all the marijuana that's sold in all the places where marijuana is illegal.

• 2:45:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:45:21Joe Rogan?

  The cartels are growing.

• 2:45:22Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:45:23Joe Rogan?

  And they're growing it in California, in national forests, because it's a misdemeanor to get caught illegally growing marijuana in California. There's a great book, John Norris, Hidden War, that's all about that. He's a game warden who had to find out about this the hard way, and then became a part of a tactical unit, where they would go in and, and fight the cartels in the woods.

• 2:45:45Speaker 03

  How about that?

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fucking crazy. So if he does that, that'll be another good thing. Um, the other good thing that he's been doing is getting these people together that have been in conflict forever. And making them shake hands and, and having conversations, peace talks, like how many different people have, how many different countries? Have had representatives agree to peace talks because of Trump? I was reading this breakdown of all the different times he's done this.

• 2:46:15Speaker 03

  Intervened in the, and not intervened, but he, with the India Pakistan thing, I know he got all of them on the phone and he's, um, you know, I'd obviously just had Putin over here. Um, but yeah, I think there was a few, there were a few examples of that, which is great.

• 2:46:28Joe Rogan?

  It's great. Yeah. So there's, it's not all negative.

• 2:46:32Speaker 03

  Well, it's not, not only is it great, right? But it's, isn't it so insane? That it, dude, that it took this long for like, just with the Putin and Donald Trump that like, that like, I, I always say, and I know this is kind of like a hippie-ish thing to say, but I think the world needs a little bit more of that. Um, but like, okay, it's kind of crazy that war still exists. It's, it's kind of crazy that we're at the, you know, like, you'd almost feel like if you, if you saw a society and you're like, well, you've gotten to the point where like you have the written language and two-story buildings. You'd be like, you probably should have figured out something other than war at this point, but yet, you know, you're talking about a society with the internet and skyscrapers and

• 2:47:12Speaker 03

  heart surgery and like all these things and like you still, but still, and we have international governance of some sort, you know, you have the United Nations and things like this. And you're telling me like there is international law and like the first rule isn't that like, if any countries are ever going to go to war, you guys have to get in a room together. Like before we go to war, we need to know that we've exhausted every alternative option that there is, especially when it's the United States and Russia, you know what I mean? And yet it took all this time for the first time for the two leaders of them to sit down and meet. It's crazy. But on the positive side, they did just sit down and meet. That's a lot better than not sitting down and meeting.

• 2:47:52Joe Rogan?

  And that's what's unique about him is that he wants these things to happen. He truly doesn't want us to be going to war. I mean, he ran on that and I think it's true. And despite what happened in Iran, like it was at least limited and it seems like there was some communication that made it limited. You know.

• 2:48:12Speaker 03

  Well, there's no question having a president whose default setting was to desire an off-ramp made a huge difference there.

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:19Speaker 03

  Because, you know, if you had had, like, if this was a Dick Cheney, George W. Bush type of presidency, they could have found any excuse, you know what I mean? Like, once you get to that point, they could have found any reason to keep it going.

• 2:48:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but at least that kind of made sense to me because there were these right-wing people, whereas the, seeing the left wing calling for war and saying that Ukraine was gonna win this thing, like, god damn, what happened?

• 2:48:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  How did it, how did it flip? How did it flip that if you, if you want a conclusion to the war, that you're supporting Putin? How did, how did that flip? How did it flip where people aren't trying to exhaust every possible way to stop the end of the killing of all these people that are conscripted and sent to the front lines to die when they don't want to be there?

• 2:49:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, no, that's right.

• 2:49:11Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:49:12Speaker 03

  Well, also, even the, like, um, the, you know, where people were, like, bragging about, like, the 12-day war, you know, which, again, is not clear that it's over yet, you don't really get to decide that until years later, you know, they didn't call it World War I until World War II came around, and then you go, oh, that was the first world war.

• 2:49:30Joe Rogan?

  Right. What does it say?

• 2:49:32Speaker 03

  Six wars in six months.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  "I've settled six wars in six months, one of them a possible nuclear disaster," Trump wrote in Truth Social on August 18th before meeting with European leaders and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House where he made a similar claim. "I know exactly what I'm doing, and I don't need the advice of people who have been working on all these conflicts for years and were never able to do a thing to stop them." So click on that where it says "six wars in six months," that seems to be a link.

• 2:50:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's just his post?

• 2:50:04Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:50:06Joe Rogan?

  What are the six wars? Throw that into Grok.

• 2:50:08Speaker 05

  Why, if there's other, I can show you that or Chris, let's show it once again.

• 2:50:12Joe Rogan?

  Um, I'm just interested in like what he is, uh.

• 2:50:15Speaker 03

  What, what, what wars are, is he claiming to have ended?

• 2:50:18Joe Rogan?

  Breakthroughs, because I know he has had these people get together. How many wars? Israel and Iran, okay?

• 2:50:25Speaker 03

  Well, you don't get to count that one, dude.

• 2:50:27Joe Rogan?

  Pakistan and India. Um, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. June the two, go back. And June, the two countries signed a peace agreement in Washington aimed at ending decades of conflict. Trump said it would help increase trade between them and the US. What's the next one? Um, Thailand and Cambodia. On 26th of July, Trump posted on Truth Social, I am calling the acting prime minister of Thailand right now to likewise request a ceasefire and end the war, which is currently raging. Couple of days later, the two countries agreed to an immediate and unconditional ceasefire. After less than a week of fighting at the border, Malaysia held the peace talks,

• 2:51:09Joe Rogan?

  but President Trump threatened to stop separate negotiations on reducing US tariffs unless Thailand and Cambodia stopped fighting. Let's look at this one. Armenia and Azerbaijan. Uh, the leaders of both countries said Trump should receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in securing a peace deal, which was announced at the White House on 8th of August. I think he gets good credit here. The Oval Office signing ceremony may have pushed the parties to peace, uh, says Mr. O'Handlon. On March, the two governments had said they were ready to end their nearly 40-year conflict centered on the status of the, how do you say that? Nagoro, Nagorn, Nagorno-Karabakh?

• 2:51:51Joe Rogan?

  Your guess is good as mine.

• 2:51:52Speaker 03

  I'll let you, I'll let you figure that one out.

• 2:51:54Joe Rogan?

  Most recent serious outbreak of fighting was in September 2023 when Azerbaijan seized the enclave where many ethnic Armenians lived.

• 2:52:03Joe Rogan?

  Egypt and Ethiopia, here's another one. Um, after 12 years of disagreement, Egypt's foreign minister said on the 29th of June that talks with Ethiopia had ground to a halt. Trump said, if I was Egypt, I'd want the water in the Nile. He promised that the US was going to resolve the issue very quickly. Egypt welcomed Trump's words, but Ethiopian officials say they risked inflaming tensions. No formal deal has been reached. Okay. Serbia and Kosovo. Uh, Trump claimed to have prevented an outbreak of hostilities between them, saying Serbia, Kosovo are, was going to go at it, going to be a big war. I said, you go at it, there's no trade with the United States. They said, well, maybe we won't go at it. The way he talks is so ridiculous.

• 2:52:46Speaker 03

  You're just so, you just know that is a Trump quote.

• 2:52:48Joe Rogan?

  The two countries signed an economic normalization agreement in the Oval Office with the president in 2020, but they were not at war at the time. Um, so it doesn't say that that's been resolved. Is that it? Yeah. Okay. So it seems like some of them haven't totally been resolved.

• 2:53:06Speaker 03

  Well, I think-

• 2:53:06Joe Rogan?

  But at least he's trying.

• 2:53:07Speaker 03

  The Armenian one, I think, is the one he should get the most credit for because they did sign that peace deal in the White House and both the leaders did say like, yeah, Donald Trump really played a huge role in this. With the other things, you kind of never know-

• 2:53:21Joe Rogan?

  But this is a new and unique thing, that this guy, I mean, he's only been in office for eight months and then he's like actively pursuing all of these international conflicts, trying to get these people together and stop it.

• 2:53:31Speaker 03

  No, that stuff is all very good.

• 2:53:33Joe Rogan?

  That's so good.

• 2:53:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Now, I don't give him any credit for the, I mean, let's try to say this, I do give him credit, like I said before, for the, for taking the off-ramp when he had it on the 12-day war, but the thing about that one is that he just never needed to launch the thing to begin with. And I don't know, you know, I'm not even sure he did launch it, to be honest. It's, it's kind of unclear how that happened because they were in negotiations with the Iranians and then Israel attacked them. And then after Israel attacked them, Trump said, basically, we were all in on it together, which might be true. But I do know that Tucker Carlson said, I'm not revealing anything privately, he said this on the record, that he's, he's knows Whitkoff, who was the guy who was point-manning the negotiations. And he was like, it is absolutely not true that these were like fake negotiations designed to trick the Iranians.

• 2:54:20Speaker 03

  So Israel could get their shot off that that's just not true. Now, I don't know exactly what's right there and what's not.

• 2:54:25Joe Rogan?

  And so then you have to cover for your friend because your friend threw the first punch?

• 2:54:28Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Well, I know that Trump was upset because he let it out. Uh, that he was upset that after he called for the ceasefire, Israel just started bombing the crap out of them. And he was like, what are you guys doing, man? But then he turns around and still supports everything they're doing.

• 2:54:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have conversations, they have meetings. Yeah, fuck.

• 2:54:47Speaker 03

  The thing about it is, though, is that going forward, I think this is like the more important thing is that going forward. The this problem is not off the table. You know, they're saying that Trump's gonna say he completely destroyed, you know, Iran's nuclear program. But that's not clear at all. And everything the Iranians are saying is that they are going to continue having a civilian nuclear program. And they have the technology and the know how like they can rebuild this thing. And so then the question is like, if they do, what do we want to do next about that? And what's great is that this at least was a little war that didn't result in like a major catastrophe. Still a catastrophe for the people who died in and there were Iranians and Israelis who died in this war. It wasn't like it was bloodless.

• 2:55:27Speaker 03

  Um, but at least it maybe gives us some time to go like for the next go around. To just be like, yeah, we don't need to go to war over a civilian nuclear program. And first off, we shouldn't go to war over a nuclear weapons program. Like, what is that? I like, uh, what's, uh, Truman was the president when the Soviet Unions developed nuclear weapons. Soviet Unions, Joseph Stalin developed nuclear weapons. He didn't attack them over that. He didn't say, we're gonna launch a war of aggression because you're developing the same weapons we have. And I think it was Johnson was president when Mao Zedong, the most evil man who's ever lived, developed nuclear weapons. They never, there was never like a war of aggression launched over that.

• 2:56:09Speaker 03

  Everyone's so convinced we gotta do it over Iran, but anyway, they weren't even pursuing nuclear weapons. Hopefully, the next go around, the American people have even had it even more. And are like, yeah, we're just not supporting this anymore.

• 2:56:21Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember when Obama had a press conference and talked about, we gave a speech, talked about that we were gonna go to war with Syria?

• 2:56:28Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:56:29Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember that?

• 2:56:29Speaker 03

  Announced it.

• 2:56:30Joe Rogan?

  And everybody was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 2:56:33Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:56:33Joe Rogan?

  And then they said, ah, forget it.

• 2:56:35Speaker 03

  And you know, it was a huge part of that was, it was like, the first war, the internet shut down. You know, where it was like, and it was, it was, uh, well, I think, uh, Steve Bannon had a lot to do with that. He was over at Breitbart at the time. And they really got on the like, we are not supporting this war. But then there were like, it was all over Twitter, where there were the active duty military guys. And they would dress up in, like, they would put on the military uniform, but cover their face. And then just like, hold the sign that's like, I will not fight for Al Qaeda in Syria. Cause those guys knew what that wa- this is, by the way, the whole thing, this is where they tried to smear Tulsi Gabbard. This is when Barry Weiss was on here and said she's an Assad toady and then didn't know what toady meant, or whatever. But like, they tried to, it's almost like they tried to tell you this story, like, what, what would that even mean?

• 2:57:20Speaker 03

  What are they saying? Are they, what's the claim? Tulsi Gabbard is secretly loyal to a Syrian dentist who became the dictator of the country? Like, that doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would Tulsi Gabbard have been so against that war? Well, the reason she was against that war is because she actually knew the first thing about it. Unlike all these other people, unlike Barry Weiss, who didn't even know what the word toady meant, as she was calling her that. Tulsi Gabbard, for whatever you might say about her, and I've got some criticisms of her myself. Um, but she knows who the Shiites are and who the Sunnis are. And she knows which camp is on which side and what, and she knew that the, on the other side of Bashar al-Assad and this civil war, which was started by Barack Obama.

• 2:58:02Speaker 03

  On the other side of this was ISIS and Al Qaeda. And her whole thing was she signed up, she enlisted to go fight Al Qaeda, cause they hit us on 9/11. And so she's always furious, that actually Tulsi supports the war on terrorism. Too much, I would argue. She, she just objected to the war for terrorism. She was like, I just don't think we should fight wars for Al Qaeda. I believe we ought to fight them against Al Qaeda. And that was her, that was her beef with that one. She was absolutely right about it. And by the way, Al Qaeda's in charge of the country now.

• 2:58:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, whoops. Whoops.

• 2:58:35Speaker 03

  That'll work, that'll work out well, I'm sure.

• 2:58:37Joe Rogan?

  It works everywhere. Every time we overthrow a country, it works out great.

• 2:58:41Speaker 03

  It always, it's always better.

• 2:58:42Joe Rogan?

  Libya, Libya did a good, we did a real good job there.

• 2:58:44Speaker 03

  Well, did you see, well, this was the crazy thing for the people who were advocating regime change in the 12 day war in Iran. They were always, did you see there were like, uh, there were Israeli government officials who were posting pictures of the son of the Shah? Like, the implication being that he'll come back into power, because what?

• 2:59:01Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's in exile in England.

• 2:59:03Speaker 03

  So now, the, the war on terrorism started with spreading democracy. And in its end phase, we're spreading, uh, uh, hi, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh, a monarchy, a hereditary monarchy or something? It's like, yeah, but also, by the way, what do you think the odds are that if we overthrew the mullahs? That the son of the Shah just walks back into power and all the warring factions just go, yeah, no, that's, you know? The US propped him up in 1953, so then, yeah, okay, he's the rightful ruler. Like, I don't think so, dude.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, man, I've had enough getting bummed out.

• 2:59:40Speaker 03

  Well, I'm not trying to bum you out, though.

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  It just, there's so much going, that's the problem with being alive today. Is you're, you're paying attention to so many different conflicts.

• 2:59:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, but dude, it's like.

• 2:59:50Joe Rogan?

  All over the world.

• 2:59:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like in the 20th century, you know, like, there were two world wars and there was all this horrible shit.

• 2:59:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:59:58Speaker 03

  You know, and then like, but today, like, dude, we live in like the most amazing time, dude. I mean, there's literally.

• 3:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Bring it home, nice.

• 3:00:05Speaker 03

  Well, listen, man, I mean this, the most sincere thing I've ever said, uh, in my life. Uh, my son was born with a congenital heart defect that would have killed him in almost any other time period unless I was alive today. Or in the last 10 years. Now, 30 years ago, I would have lost my son. And today, he's fine. He's great, cutest little boy in the world you've ever seen. And so like, I don't know, I'd still rather live today than any other time, just for that alone.

• 3:00:31Joe Rogan?

  No doubt.

• 3:00:31Speaker 03

  And, and we have an ability to like, reach people and trade with each other and communicate with each other. We're, we're really close to like, curing all types of, of diseases and ailments and extending life and, and extending. You know, people are educated and connected in a way that they've never been before. You know, we got all these problems, but we've had lots of problems before.

• 3:00:52Joe Rogan?

  I just think we're aware of the problems now.

• 3:00:54Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 3:00:55Joe Rogan?

  And which is the first step to recognizing them and then going after them and trying to resolve them.

• 3:00:59Speaker 03

  That'll be our kids' generation.

• 3:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:01Speaker 03

  Me and you will just be recognizing them and then we'll leave it to them to solve it.

• 3:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Uh, you gonna have some fun this weekend at the mothership?

• 3:01:08Speaker 03

  It's my favorite weekend of every year.

• 3:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's always awesome to have you there, brother.

• 3:01:12Speaker 03

  Wait, hold on, comedy-wise, maybe I do something with the wife and kids. I'm not getting in trouble for that, but it's...

• 3:01:18Joe Rogan?

  Uh, your podcast, tell everybody how to get it, it's everywhere.

• 3:01:21Speaker 03

  Part of the problem is my political podcast, Legion of Skanks, is the knucklehead comedy podcast, but it's also very fun.

• 3:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Very fun.

• 3:01:29Speaker 03

  So go check that out and then, uh, yep, some of the mothership shows are all sold out. Next year, catch me at the mothership.

• 3:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes, alright, thanks, brother.

• 3:01:36Speaker 03

  You're the man, dude.

• 3:01:37Joe Rogan?

  You're the man. Bye, everybody.

• 3:01:54Speaker 00

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