#2355 - Mike Baker

Mike Baker is a former CIA covert operations officer and current CEO of Portman Square Group, a global intelligence and security firm. He’s also the host of the "President’s Daily Brief" podcast: a twice daily news report on critical events happening around the globe available on all podcast platforms. https://www.portmansquaregroup.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Mike Baker, what a good time to talk to you. What a good time to have you in.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  What a fine time.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  There's so much chaos. There's so much madness.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the South Park episode?

• 0:24Speaker 02

  Which, which, which one?

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  They did a Donald Trump, one with Satan.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 0:28Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking hilarious.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  I got it, I got it. I love, the show is fantastic. I raised my three boys on that show, much to my wife's horror, but it's a great show, but I haven't seen that episode.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  It, when you think, like Bridgette Fettis had a funny quote, like when you think that they have reached the bottom of the highest level of not giving a fuck, they reach unseen levels. Is it, the whole Epstein thing is so crazy.

• 0:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, and him saying like, "What do you care? Why does everybody care about Epstein?" Like, whoa.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Well, that's it, yeah, but it is, look, I mean, although, again, going back to South Park, uh, yeah, once they did the Woodland Creatures episode all those years ago, you thought, okay, that's gotta be the worst they can get.

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  Which one was the Woodland Creatures one?

• 1:13Speaker 02

  You gotta look it up, it was, it's fantastic. It, I'm not gonna do it justice if I try to explain what it's about.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, remember when they did the gay teacher where he had a whore off with Paris Hilton and he stuffed her up his ass?

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right. Oh, I forgot about that one, yeah.

• 1:33Speaker 03

  Seventeen years ago.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  They don't give a fuck, dude. They, they haven't given a fuck since the beginning and it's the greatest show of all time.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, and honestly, if you said, what would be the best job that you could have imagined, it would be being one of those two guys.

• 1:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're killing it.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47Joe Rogan?

  And the thing is, like, it's so beautiful because they have cartoons and you could do things with cartoons you could never do with real people.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  You can kill them, they can fuck each other, they could stick things up their ass.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, Cartman gets that alien probe.

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  Anything can happen because, and it's also, they're not realistic cartoons, so it's like you're somehow or another detached from it.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, they, they, and if they, they did a documentary one time, I don't know if you saw that.

• 2:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  Where they, they tracked the six days it takes them to make the show.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  This Trump have been with Satan, Satan.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Satan's back.

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  Satan's upset at Trump, it's very funny.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  Well, you remember the Satan and Diddy episode? All those, that, that was fantastic.

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  I didn't see that one.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Ah, the Satan Diddy episode, and then they had the, the, uh,

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  What was that?

• 2:30Speaker 02

  The, the mass murderers and, no, this was, this was a few years back too. It was a Diddy party and he, he wanted to, yeah, it's a long story. He wanted a Lamborghini cake, but you know, it was like, uh, the devil wanted it and they said, no, Diddy did it already and it's, it's fantastic.

• 2:44Joe Rogan?

  Remember when they had the movie with Saddam Hussein?

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  And Saddam Hussein was in a gay relationship with Satan?

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Oh, God. You'd spend the entire time, people are like, oh, they're gonna talk about this the whole time? But, uh, yeah.

• 2:56Joe Rogan?

  They have seen stuff is so crazy because when Cash Patel was on here and he was like, there's no, there's nothing. And I was like, what are you talking?

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  I didn't even know what to say. My thought was, and people are like, why didn't you push back more? My thought was like, I'm just gonna put this out there and let the internet do its work. Cause there's nothing I could, the guy's saying there's no tapes, there's no video. That doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows it doesn't make any sense. Let's just, and then he didn't know about the Mike, the Michael Baden stuff? The autopsy stuff where it showed that he had three broken bones in his neck? Which never happens.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  When you hang yourself. Even when you like leap from somewhere with a rope around your neck and it snaps your neck, you never have three broken bones.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  He's not launching himself off the first floor balcony.

• 3:42Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing was nuts. And then they really, he's like, well, we have a film, we're gonna release that film. And the film has a fucking minute missing from it.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:49Joe Rogan?

  Like, do you think we're babies? Like, what is this?

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Also, you got, you have people, including Dan Bongino, right? Making bank for a couple of years, talking about how awful it is. And we gotta get this shit and this is, this is huge conspiracy. And, and then you release a two day, you know, a two-page memo that says, yeah, there's nothing to see here.

• 4:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cause you're walking by your bedroom window and you see a little laser. A little red laser moving across your chest.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's so, it's, it really is, it's so, look, you know me, I'm not a, I'm not a conspiracy guy by nature.

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  You are today.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  But I am today. I'm, I'm fully on board with this shit.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's in today.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, but, you know, they're actually doing right as we, as we speak, um, and I find this fascinating, is that the, uh, the assistant attorney general, Todd Blanch, is down in Florida for an interview with Ghislaine Maxwell. And she's serving 20 years in, in a Florida prison for sex trafficking, right?

• 4:41Joe Rogan?

  To who, though?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  To who?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Well, she, he's down there to interview her.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I'm saying she's, she's sex trafficked.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Oh, she was, well, she was a co-conspirator of Epstein's, right?

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  But don't you have to have a person who you're sex trafficking to?

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Exactly, and they talked about the victims somewhat during her trial. It was very, I mean, it was a very difficult trial in the sense of, you know, they're, they're trying to protect certain victims and, and others were coming forward. But, you know, my surprise was, nobody from DOJ has ever, according to her legal team, nobody has ever interviewed her, from DOJ, right? Department of Justice, so this is the first time the Department of Justice, you're telling me, and meanwhile, up on Capitol Hill, you've got Democrats like Adam Schiff and others going, "We have got to release these fucking files." They had four years under the previous administration, right? Look, everybody's fucked in this, in this situation. But they had all that time to do whatever they wanted to do. And nobody, up until this point apparently, has talked to her.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Now, you know, some folks on the legal side are saying, "Well, look, if she had anything interesting to say, she would have said it during the course of her trial," right? To save herself, or to cut a deal.

• 5:47Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Uh, but now-

• 5:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  I don't, yeah.

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  They'll kill her.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, well-

• 5:51Joe Rogan?

  The smartest thing for her to do is to keep her fucking mouth shut, which is what she did.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  They put her in a cushy prison where she could do yoga.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yoga in prison, that doesn't sound good.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  Here's one of my favorite ones. I'm gonna, I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, 'cause this, somebody tweeted this, and it's just so perfect. And it's, it just shows you how crazy this, this whole thing has been, like, from the very beginning. This is, uh, someone tweeted this from the Atlantic, and this is what, what's funny about this. Um, check this out, Jamie. So, it's these fucking people, it's like, they all knew her! They all knew him! So many people knew him and knew her! And they're all pretending that they didn't, that no one knew it. Check this out. This is, the Atlantic says, scroll, go up, beggar, so we can see it? So we can see the quote below it? Below it?

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  No, go back.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  No, I know, I zoomed in.

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  There we go. I can't read it. There it goes. Uh, this is what the Atlantic posts. If the Epstein scandal teaches us anything, it's that America needs a dedicated and decently funded group of people whose job it is not to just ask questions, but to find answers. And then this guy, Sean Davis, posts, "The woman on the right is Ghislaine Maxwell. She trafficked children for Jeffrey Epstein. The woman on the left owns your magazine."

• 7:18Joe Rogan?

  This is so fucking wild. Just that alone is so wild that they would have the balls to post that. We need dedicated journalists, not just people asking questions, which is like, for sure, an attack on podcasts. Like, listen, you guys didn't do shit.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:39Joe Rogan?

  You didn't do shit. So, just asking, just the fact that we're just asking questions along with that? Or is this a knock on the defunding of PBS, which is essentially a propaganda network for the Democratic Party?

• 7:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is now being, apparently, we'll see if that happens, but apparently being defunded. But yeah, look, everybody's, everybody's worried now, right? Nope, at, at first it was like, okay, again, I go back a handful of years. Nobody was, was pushing for this, right? Because you got people from all sides, probably, on whatever that list looks like, whatever that Epstein file looks like, whoever was involved, you got people from all sides of the spectrum here going on. And so, everybody's worried, so it looked like, alright, you know, there's kind of this bizarre bipartisan moment where we're not gonna push for this, really, we're not gonna make a big effort here, we're not sending anybody from DOJ, the Dems aren't during the Biden administration calling for the release of the files. Now, all of a sudden, they smell, you know, blood in the water and a particular, you

• 8:37Speaker 02

  know, political motivation here, so let's get these files out. And, you know, nobody's gonna look good from this, but I, again, I, I would caution some, you know... Just because a name might be in a file, no matter whose it is, right? Doesn't necessarily mean there's nefarious activity. It could be like any, any police file, right? That says, okay, the individual stopped at this particular location and this person was there. Doesn't mean they're connected to something awful. It wouldn't fucking underage girls. Maybe they were if they're in the file, right? But I'm just saying, there's a lot of people probably in that file that are gonna be named, if it ever comes out, who may or may not have been engaged in, in, in, uh, illegal activity, but just release the goddamn things.

• 9:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's probably a lot of people who just went there. Did I send you that thing where this guy was breaking, did I say NPR or PBS earlier? I meant NPR. Did I send you that thing, that link where this guy's breaking down all the different tweets? That the lady who's the CEO of NPR made?

• 9:35Joe Rogan?

  She's getting questioned on whether or not she's biased. And then this guy like goes over all the different tweets. God damn it, I know I saved it, but I should have, I should have been prepared. I know I have it in here because it's so funny. It's so funny listening to her, see if you can, you might be able to find it. No, you found it beautiful. Because it's, it's so adorable. This pretending that this was an unbiased news source.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Directly from her own account?

• 10:04Joe Rogan?

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• 12:50Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 12:51Joe Rogan?

  Maybe I said that to Dave Smith.

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  We'll find it.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, but again, anybody who at this stage of the game thinks that the media, you know, doesn't have an agenda, that they're not complicit in one way or another with whatever may be, come on.

• 13:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a joke. It's a joke. And they're all funded, and they're, I mean, the fact that the government was funding NPR is crazy. Like, this, you, you can't have a completely biased, one-sided media organization that's funded by the government and taxpayers. That's crazy. And they went over all the, the amount of people that were on NPR that were Democrats, and it's 100%. It's like, out of 87 people, it's 100%.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  And look at the New York Times. I mean, so that, none of that should be a surprise to anybody who's paying half of the money.

• 13:42Joe Rogan?

  But the New York Times is at least a privately funded company. I mean, it's like, NPR relied on tax money, and there's this giant outrage that the government's going to defund it.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  Well, a lot, and what they're trying to do is they're trying to couch it as saying, "Look, you're, you're taking away, you know, the only source of news for, you know, rural locations," for example. Like, you've got someplace up in North Dakota that, you know, has no other access, and so they rely on NPR for their, their news. I don't know a lot of people up in North Dakota that say, "I wonder what NPR is saying about this."

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, not just that, but it's like, at, at the end of the day, the reality is the internet exists. And we don't need, you don't need to fund, publicly fund something that's clearly biased when the internet exists. You can get whatever you want. If you want to just absorb and consume only left-wing media, there's so much available. You can go find it. But our tax dollars should not be going to that.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  No, no. And, and to be fair, if anybody wants to know what the hell's going on in the news, they can just listen to the President's Daily Brief podcast, frankly.

• 14:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, your, your podcast?

• 14:42Speaker 02

  I'm good, right? Yeah, that's, that's, that's some, yeah, boy, I just stuck that in there.

• 14:45Joe Rogan?

  I can't find this fucking thing. Did you find it?

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Let's hear it. Show me a story that concerns you. That's fantastic.

• 14:55Speaker 05

  As far as the accusations that were biased, I would stand up and say, please show me a story that concerns you, because we want to know and we want to bring that conversation back to our newsroom.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  And then all this.

• 15:08Joe Rogan?

  Fatphobia and its racist past and present. Some white people may choose thumbs up because it feels neutral, but some academics argue that opting out... What does that mean? Thumbs up, signals, lax awareness about white privilege, akin to society associating whiteness with being raceless. What? What does that mean?

• 15:26Speaker 02

  How about how racism became a marketing tool for country music?

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, that's a good one. This right-wing conspiracy theory about eating bugs is about as racist as you think. No, that's like, literally, this is... And here's another great quote that she said, if you look on the right side, Jamie, where it says, "The truth is a distraction from getting things done." That is such a fucking Orwellian thing to say. Click on that, just so you can hear her say this, because it's so bananas that someone would say this out loud and not think it's...

• 15:58Speaker 05

  One of the most significant differences, critical for moving from polarization to productivity, is that the Wikipedians who write these articles aren't actually focused on finding the truth.

• 16:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 16:10Speaker 05

  They're working for something that's a little bit more attainable, which is the best of what we can know right now. And after seven years there, I actually believe that they're on to something. That for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth isn't necessarily the best place to start. In fact, I think our reverence for the truth might have become...

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 16:36Speaker 05

  A bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding the truth.

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  Finding consensus and getting important things done. What?

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Oh my god, that's fantastic.

• 16:45Joe Rogan?

  Wild is that, and you want government money, that is such a wild thing to say.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  You know, going for the truth as a journalist, no, no.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  It's not important.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  No, it's not important. It's a distraction, the truth is a distraction. You know what I hate, I hate that, and you see that all the time, and I don't know whether it's a TED Talk or not, but I, as soon as I see that type of forum where they're earnestly standing there and they've got their little mouthpiece there around there and they're talking and they're they're looking out into the distance and you think, oh, climb out of your own fucking ass, right? It's just awful.

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't like any of those things.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't like that little Bobby Brown microphone either. Unless you're on stage.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Bobby Brown.

• 17:26Joe Rogan?

  Remember?

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember.

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  We used to sing with that.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:29Joe Rogan?

  A little step by take.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, sorry, that's, that means I step on your line, I'll join in for the chorus.

• 17:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't like those little microphones, hold the microphone like a real fucking human. That's a madness, that video clip is madness, that's a piece of madness, that's a crazy thing to say. The truth gets in the way.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  I will say that, that the, the Epstein, um, the Epstein situation is gonna be so disappointing to so many people now because um, I have this theory that nothing ever gets done in Washington DC, right? Investigations go to die there, nothing ever happens, there's never any real consequences of any nature. And we got all sorts of things happening right now, right? So, so the Epstein case is just one of them. But, right now you've got, you've got the Dems focused on Epstein because, you know, again, they, they see this is just a good opportunity here to go after Trump. Regardless of who else is in the files, right? And, and the Dems I think were worried for quite some time and didn't pursue it because, you know, years back they were thinking, okay, Clinton's gonna be embarrassed, we don't want that.

• 18:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  So, again, my point would be just release everything, I don't understand how, if you just look at the way that they handled this logistically. Whoever thought, because the mob wants to eat, right? And they've been throwing red meat to the mob about Epstein files now for years.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  It's part of how they got elected.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Right. And so whoever in their communications group or in their strategic thinking arena in the administration thought, you know, that we can get away with just saying there's nothing to see here, they should be fired, right? Because there's no way you can satisfy this mob. And now the mob is oddly bipartisan because it's got the Dems and it's got, you know, part of the base of Trump in there.

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  And they're all, you know, screaming to have this, "God damn it, just release this shit. Otherwise this is going to be around like Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy and..."

• 19:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what's crazy. They did release more Martin Luther King documents.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  Documents. Which is really crazy. Like, why are you holding secrets about the murder of one of the most beloved historical figures of all time?

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:35Joe Rogan?

  From 1968?

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Part of that is a family request. Yeah, part of that's a family request. The family has asked, you know, in the past, on a number of occasions, they really don't want some of this. Because some of it, look, some of it's salacious about, you know, Martin Luther, which doesn't take away from everything that he did, right? As a leader of a cause and a movement. Uh, but some of it is, you know...

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  Extramarital affairs.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, so there's been some push to be concerned about that. But, but yeah, now do the Epstein files.

• 20:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, they'll do it in the same amount of time, 56 years from now.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:08Joe Rogan?

  Just like they did with them. It's 56 fucking years later they released this stuff.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  And we're still not any closer to, I mean, yeah, again, I don't want to disappear down that rabbit hole, but we're still not any closer with Martin Luther King. I'm, you know, again, not a conspiracy guy, except today, apparently, but there's shit there.

• 20:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, you said, you've said multiple times, that if there's one that you think looks really bad, it's that one.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  It's that one. But I, going back to, I know I'm bouncing around here, but going back to the Epstein thing, I don't understand how they handled this so poorly, right? For Pam Bondi to come out and talk about the files and all that, and then like, within a blink of an eye, they come out with this bullshit Sunday night memo saying there's nothing to see.

• 20:48Joe Rogan?

  Do you think there's just a lack of coordination?

• 20:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do.

• 20:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  I think it's a messaging problem is always kind of a key element of the Trump administration, whether it's this one or not. And now, look, that's not a, you know, I'm not knocking a lot of the policies. I like a lot of the policies that come out of this, this administration, this one and the, and the previous, the first administration, but I'm just saying, a hallmark of a Trump administration is, uh, the ability to, uh, have a self inflicted wound, you know, shoot yourself in the foot because of messaging usually.

• 21:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  So I think they've, they've done it again. And I don't see how they, I don't see how they walked this back. They're trying to, I think, with this interview with Ghislaine Maxwell to say, look, we're trying, we're, we're talking to her.

• 21:28Joe Rogan?

  But how does Pam Bondi say we have thousands of hours of footage? And then Cash Patel says, we don't have anything that you're looking for.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:38Joe Rogan?

  And then Tim Dillon said he has lunch with J D Vance and J D Vance says that 10,000 hours is commercial pornography.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah. You think this freak show of Epstein wasn't like, it didn't have hidden cameras or wasn't taped and shit?

• 21:53Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Well, that was the thing about that house, that house they had in New York City, which is, by the way, for sale.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 22:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Nobody wants to buy it. Like, you want to buy Epstein's house?

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Do the cameras convey?

• 22:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the thing. I mean, you gotta gut the walls. How are you gonna know what the fuck is in there?

• 22:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:10Joe Rogan?

  Imagine you're walking around your house naked and you think that the CIA has got, or your, your, your organization. Whoever it is.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  To be fair, they just got a lot of hours of videotape of me walking around naked.

• 22:19Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure. But Mossad, whoever it is that was involved in this intelligence gathering, I mean, I'm just guessing. I have no idea. But there's fucking pinhole cameras all over that house.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, you have to start from that perception, right? Because again, if, if anything else, you're just being naive if you think, no, there's nothing. Again.

• 22:38Joe Rogan?

  You gotta take it down to the bare beams. You gotta strip the wallboard off. You gotta fucking, every baseboard, you gotta pull everything. Who fucking knows what's in that house?

• 22:49Speaker 02

  We had a, we had a situation in Moscow one time where. We're building, uh, it was the new embassy, the US Embassy in Moscow, right? And for some reason, you know, part of the deal was to allow Russian contractors to work on the construction of this. What the fuck, you know? So, but it's a, it's a government thing, you know, and so you can imagine, there's, like you, to your point, there's not a lot of coordination. So, you know, the Russian contractors thinking, oh, this is great. We're, uh, helping to construct the US Embassy. And they know there's gonna be sensitive areas within there, the station, you know, for the, for the agency and, and, uh, other areas. Uh, anyway, at a certain point, they're, they're just about finished with construction.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  And just by, not by happenstance, I mean, there, there were efforts to try to, um, examine what the Russians were doing, right? So the security side of things, they were concerned about the fact that the Russians were working on it. You know, you had the State Department and others that were like, no, it's a good idea, you know, it helps with diplomacy. So the security guys were doing things, they were x-raying, you know, uh, parts of materials that were coming in for the construction. And apparently at one point, uh, what was going on was the Russians were, um, installing listening devices inside the rebar, right, of the, of the construction process. And apparently, at one point, they, you know, one of the wires on the, on one of these, uh,

• 24:10Speaker 02

  communications devices that were stuck in there had broken, and so they soldered it, the Russians did, they soldered it with aluminum, and that showed up when they were x-raying, um, that particular large bit of, of, you know, material that they were gonna install. And that was the, the way that they found out, and they said, what the fuck? Then they had to tear the entire goddamn thing down. I forget, I think it was two or three different floors of this embassy, they had to remove, they'd bit by bit shipped it back to the States to, to examine fully, and, and it was just loaded with, with listening devices by the Russians, right? So it's gonna be the same at the, uh, long story short, it's the same at Epstein's place. You've gotta tear it down.

• 24:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a nice house, too, and it's like right, right on the park.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, I wonder why that's still for sale?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Hmm. What are they asking for it, do you think?

• 24:55Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like sixty or seventy million.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 24:58Joe Rogan?

  Jamie could find it. It's pretty dope.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  It sold in twenty twenty-one for fifty-one million.

• 25:02Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit. But it's for sale now. Now though, right?

• 25:05Speaker 03

  That I didn't see.

• 25:06Joe Rogan?

  I'm pretty sure it's for sale right now.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  I wonder if it gets a premium because it's Epstein's place. You know, you know, like a celebrity premium for a home? I wonder if that's the case, you know?

• 25:14Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to be a fucking complete psycho to wanna live in that guy's house.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Same guy's gonna buy Diddy's spot. Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know what they're.

• 25:24Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  God, but there's, so you've got, you've got the Epstein thing going on.

• 25:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, how does that get resolved? This is the question, like, if you're the administration, you're looking at this puzzle and you're trying to figure out how to make this a PR win.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Too late for that.

• 25:40Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck can you do at this point? Is it for sale?

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Sixty-five mil, two years ago it says.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  Is it not for sale right now?

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Not according to Zillow.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Zero bedrooms, only one bath. That's not a very nice place.

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  It's just one big fuck hall.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, we call it the playroom.

• 26:01Joe Rogan?

  This is the house?

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Oh my god, it looks like a sound place.

• 26:04Joe Rogan?

  Sixty-five million bucks in Manhattan.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  What the hell?

• 26:08Joe Rogan?

  The wild thing is though, it's like right on the street, like anybody can come to your door and just knock on your door, like walking by.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, Prince Andrew.

• 26:15Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. Living there is weird.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at, look at that.

• 26:19Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, no one can explain where he got the money, no one can explain why he got so rich. You know, and Eric Weinstein, who is like a legit financial guy, said he talked to him. He had a meeting with him once. He's like, it was really clear that he's a construct. He's like, he doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't know anything.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:35Joe Rogan?

  That's not for sale right now?

• 26:37Speaker 03

  It didn't say it was.

• 26:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  It's listed on Zillow, but not for sale. It's like, everything's still on Zillow kinda.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like it was for sale.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Look it up.

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  Maybe there's another service that's, because sometimes Zillow doesn't have all the stuff, because someone I know was looking at it.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe it's on cheap old houses.

• 26:54Joe Rogan?

  Nah.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  It's a bu-

• 26:57Speaker 02

  It's a fixer upper though. Yeah.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  But like you'd have to go through that house. You'd have to hire like the top of the food chain security experts to go and they would probably recommend you take that house apart.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you did. You could do a, uh, install a sweep of the thing and, and you know, but that's not going to guarantee, right? You really have to pull the walls down and, and look because I, again, maybe I'm wrong. There's never say never, but I can't imagine that, that, that a psycho like, like Epstein, you know, wasn't enjoying videoing, you know, some of the activity that was going on. So, yeah.

• 27:36Joe Rogan?

  So what do you think from your perspective? What do you think that was all about? Who do you think was involved in that? Do you think it was the Mossad? Do you think it was some rogue intelligence agency in America? Was it a coordinated effort?

• 27:52Speaker 02

  You know what? I, I know this, you know, there's a lot of talk about, you know, did he have some sort of intel connection?

• 27:57Joe Rogan?

  Right? Right.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  That, uh, you know, from my perspective, it's complete speculation, but I will say like from an operational perspective, I, I have no idea. Was it Mossad? Was it anybody? Who knows?

• 28:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  But from an operational perspective, if you see a guy like this who's super connected and is, and you know, all the way back to what 2008 was like his first trial, right? So he's had a long history of this, these problems. But if you know that he's kind of engaged in a variety of things, um, as an example, if I'm the, if I'm Chinese intel, right? And I, I just read the goddamn entertainment news and you know, there's these rumors and allegations of, you know, high level people flying off to his island. I'm going to think that's interesting because potentially if I could get an access source there, if I can get somebody, right? Inside that operation, whether it's Ghislaine Maxwell, whether it's Epstein himself,

• 28:49Speaker 02

  whether it's somebody who's just on the outskirts of it, maybe I'll, I'll start picking up some pretty interesting, leverageable information on people that maybe I want to influence.

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  And it's so funny to me that it's always comes down to like carnal needs. And carnal desires.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  It's always sex. Because these guys, when you get to like this Bill Gates level and Bill Clinton level, you can't just go pick up gals at the bar.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:16Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  So, if you're a super famous, super freak, and you know, you'll, you'll like chasing skirts, but you know, you can't do it, like, what do you do?

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Well, you do what he did, right? Which is you get, you know, somebody to procure for you, which apparently was primarily Maxwell's job.

• 29:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  And she's out there and, and you know, she was described, eh, you know, usually as his girlfriend, but she was clearly operating as his pimp, or whatever the female version of a pimp is.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, curator.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  Curator, yeah, it's a curator.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  And so he's, you know, she's out there doing that, but, look, again, you know, I, I can't speak to, you know, you know, the, the rumors about him working for one intel agency or another, but I will say, if I'm working for an intel agency and I see something like that, uh, yeah, I might find that of interest.

• 30:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  And then I would, I would definitely go after somebody to see what's going on. Just, if, for no other reason than, you know, again, maybe it's a, it's a opportunity there, you know?

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's the easiest connect the dots puzzle of all time.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:14Joe Rogan?

  You got rich, powerful people, and hot chicks, and probably drugs.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:18Joe Rogan?

  And cameras.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  Jeez.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  And I tell you, the Russians love nothing better than, you know, the, the truth, the reality is, in, in terms of recruiting an asset, recruiting an asset by using blackmail is, is, is tough, right? You gotta, you gotta, that window starts closing immediately, right? In terms of their operational usefulness, right? Because there, there's a lot of, there's a lot of issues there, right? You're, you're, you're blackmailing somebody for their cooperation, at some point, that's gonna go south on you, right? It's not like you've recruited somebody for ideological reasons, right?

• 30:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Or even something as, as straightforward as like, they need the money because their kid's sick, or whatever it may be. So blackmail's like, but having said that, look, the, the Russians in particular love that, right? And, and, um, the Chinese intel, they'll do whatever works from their perspective.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  You know, the agency, again, people are gonna say that's bullshit. The agency tries, they, they, they, blackmail is never really ever on the table as an option because it always leads to a problem. And, and sometimes those problems can be very, very bad.

• 31:26Joe Rogan?

  And what, what, what do you mean?

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Well, you know, the asset will turn on you, right? Next thing you know, um, you know, you've got a, an agent working now, a double agent working for the other side, right? Because they're just, they're so fucked over by the fact that they've been blackmailed. And at some point, they lose their shit, decide to, to roll for the other side.

• 31:44Joe Rogan?

  But aren't you constantly monitoring them and looking at their phone?

• 31:48Speaker 02

  There's only so much, no, not, there's only so much you can do, right? In terms of, um, maintaining, particularly with, with a, with a, a hard target, particularly with a, an asset who's in a difficult or challenging environment, you know, for us, and you've got limited access to them, whatever it may be. So you're really relying on, on clandestine communications. You don't have a lot of face-to-face meetings. Um, and at some point, you never know when things are heading south, right? And then the next thing you know, look, you know, that, so it's, that's, that's the operational reason for trying to avoid blackmail, right? Um, has it ever been done? Well, sure, yeah. I mean, I'm not saying it hasn't been done.

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  But some services go to it much quicker than others do, yeah.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  And which services?

• 32:28Speaker 02

  And I would, well, again, the Russians are, are primary users of, of something like that. They don't, they, because they, they've got a shotgun approach. Israelis have, have been known to do that in the honeypot operations that they'll do and other things. But the Russians throw a lot of shit at the wall and see what sticks, right? It's a very much a, a shotgun approach, right? And, you know, honestly, sometimes, you know, that, that can work, right?

• 32:48Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't that kind of, if you thought about this island, if you're bringing award-winning scientists, like famous people, politicians, world leaders, all to one place, you're basically throwing as much shit against the wall as you can.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:03Joe Rogan?

  And then you have all this stuff on all these different people, and they know it. And so then you just kinda like, wasn't there like some CEO that had to step down because he wound up giving Epstein, it was, found out that he gave Epstein like a hundred and fifty million dollars, that they couldn't explain why?

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 33:18Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't that, wasn't that the case, Jamie? So it's one of those things where there's obviously value in having all these people on your side. But when you do get all this information on these people, like, what are they trying to accomplish with it? This is the question. Are they trying to get support for Apollo CEO to step down after firm fines more payments to Jeffrey Epstein? 158 million. He paid the convicted sex offender 158 million.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  What does it, if you can, can you scroll down a little bit, Jamie?

• 33:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. His plan to step down, "Chief, I have advised the Apollo board that I will retire as CEO before my 70th birthday in July, remain as chairman." No, he's gonna remain as a chairman. Uh, New York Times detailed at least 75 million in payments and found that Mr. Black had paid Epstein 158 million in a five-year period, ending in 2017. He also lent Mr. Epstein more than 30 million, only 10 million of which was paid back. So that's a guy that they got something on.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  I love this. He, Leon, Leon viewed Epstein as a confirmed bachelor with eclectic tastes. This was after his 2008 guilty plea.

• 34:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Wow. Um, yeah. Mr. Epstein's advice was worth, was worth perhaps 2 billion in tax savings to Mr. Black, according to the report.

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  Right. But this is, again, this is what Weinstein said. Eric said that this, like, this guy is not, he's not good. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He wasn't a good financial advisor.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I think part of it is, you can say, okay, why was he collecting people around him? Why was he doing, was he keeping a file? Right? You still have to figure out what that file looks like. Um, you know, part of it could have been initially self-preservation, right? I mean, he's engaged in all sorts of activity. He gets a few people into it, then suddenly, you know, he doesn't look so bad, right? And he's kind of protecting himself because now I'm surrounded by people who also have to keep that secret. And so, but then, but then the question becomes, you know, is, at what point is he or somebody in his little tight circle there, are they approached, right, by anybody who's interested in some of these folks? But we don't know, because we don't know who the fuck's in these files. Right? So.

• 35:36Joe Rogan?

  Or if the files even exist.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  If the files even exist and apparently, you know, there's nothing in there according to Pam Bondi.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  And Cash Patel. The whole thing's nuts.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:45Joe Rogan?

  And then, you know, the have Bongino and Cash Patel saying he definitely killed himself. Like, what?

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  What? Okay, this just, the level of convenience. It's so convenient that the guards were asleep, so convenient that the cameras didn't work. So convenient that years later, you have a recording of the outside of the cell, but a minute is missing from it.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Three minutes.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:09Joe Rogan?

  Three minutes?

• 36:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, they found out it was like almost three minutes was missing. Two minutes, like fifty-three seconds.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  It's like the missing Watergate tape.

• 36:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I thought it was just one minute.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  It started off as a minute and then people kept looking in the metadata and metadata, like, okay, it was saved this many times. And it was actually up to three minutes.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  God, okay.

• 36:25Joe Rogan?

  That's plenty of time to kill somebody. Three minutes is more than enough time.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Oh, three minutes, you could get a whole bunch of people killed by then.

• 36:31Joe Rogan?

  You saw that guy that was his cellmate too, right?

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:35Joe Rogan?

  Guy is a fucking gigantic human being. A huge guy who is a mass murderer, who killed multiple people, a bad cop, who was built like a brick fucking shithouse. The kind of guy that you could really easily get to strangle somebody.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:50Joe Rogan?

  It would take him, I could kill him in thirty seconds.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:54Joe Rogan?

  How is this fucking giant dude could do it easy? Metadata from Raw Epstein, no thanks. Metadata from Raw Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes and fifty-three seconds were removed from one of the two stitched together clips. The cut starts off at the missing minute. Wow.

• 37:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, shocker.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So a guy like that decides, yeah, he's gonna off himself. And again.

• 37:19Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing, it's like, these guys that are all involved in this are still, they've been around for a long time and they have this mentality that existed before the internet. Where you could just kind of put stuff out there and you wouldn't have all these psycho sleuths out there that are gonna go over everything with a fine tooth comb. Especially guys who are tech wizards, who can look at the metadata and he can figure this kind of stuff out.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Well, shit died a lot quicker, you're right. So. Something would happen, and look, we still have ADHD, right, collectively as a nation, right? If things move on, and I think maybe that's what they're, you know, some people are saying, look, they've called the recess on Capitol Hill because they figure by the time they come back in September, everybody will have moved on from this, right?

• 37:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  I think they're wrong. I don't, I don't think this is, this, again, this, this feels like, and, and just looks like that one of those handful of conspiracies, again, you go to JFK or whomever, that's just gonna hang around.

• 38:12Joe Rogan?

  This is a line in the sand. This one's a line in the sand.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:14Joe Rogan?

  Because this is one where there's a lot of stuff about, you know, when we thought Trump was gonna come in, and that a lot of things are gonna be resolved.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:24Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna drain the swamp, we're gonna figure everything out, and when you have this one hardcore line in the sand that everybody's been talking about forever, and then they're trying to gaslight you on that.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  Well, you would have thought that Dan-

• 38:36Joe Rogan?

  Is that your phone?

• 38:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I hope not. Oh. It's my wife. Should I answer?

• 38:40Joe Rogan?

  Silent, buddy.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's on, you know, it was on silent, but it still goes. How does that happen? It literally is on silent, and-

• 38:48Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure?

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I'm positive, because it's, it's got a little thing up the top that says silent, and, uh, and it still goes.

• 38:54Joe Rogan?

  CIA doesn't trust you. You're friends with me.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Well-

• 38:56Joe Rogan?

  They don't trust you anymore.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  They did call me this morning, "What are you gonna talk about?" I don't know!

• 39:02Joe Rogan?

  Do they ever talk to you about that? Do they ever have questions about your appearances here?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  No, no, in fact, and I, I'm, I'm in the building on occasion, and, and we're actually working on a, on a show that's gonna be, it's gonna be a great TV show, based on this, this amazing museum that's inside Agency Headquarters. Uh, but nobody ever, nobody ever says that. They, you know, they don't, we have a really nice relationship. They don't tell me what to say. If I go on TV to talk about something, they just like, you know, they, they, it's not like they're gonna call up and say, "Well, here's our, here's our view on this."

• 39:30Joe Rogan?

  They trust you.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, they trust me. I'm not gonna open my app and talk sources and methods, and at the same time, you know, I'm just gonna try to just talk from an operational perspective, but yeah, so, so that was my wife, which reminds me, it's my boy, uh, Muggsy's birthday today.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  Happy birthday, Muggsy.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you very much.

• 39:48Joe Rogan?

  With a, with a thing like this, what is the general feeling about people that you talk to that are still in the Agency, or people that are still- involved in the government like how are they feeling about this because like the general public is outraged right yeah do the people inside are they frustrated like people that wanted this stuff to expose to be exposed

• 40:07Speaker 02

  yeah you know it's funny because with the agency it's not like the bureau of the agency I think most people honestly don't really probably give a shit about the Epstein files they're more they're more concerned now about this release from Tulsi Gabbard and the talk about you know manipulating intelligence you know for the 2016 election right and Russian collusion and all of that that speaks more to the agency than than the Epstein files does just from a you know whose responsibility is whose right this is Epstein thing is a DOJ FBI issue um I think if they're concerned about it it's because of how it erodes trust in organizations institutions right and then that's happened a a lot so

• 40:49Speaker 02

  you know I there's a lot of lot of good people I know again every time I talk about the agency people are like fuck you you're such a shill but there's a lot of good people doing very difficult work for the

• 40:59Joe Rogan?

  I believe that I believe

• 41:00Speaker 02

  and and so you know I think if anything they they take it personally when people think ah fuck the CIA you gotta you gotta burn it down and start over again you know like they said with the FBI as well

• 41:11Joe Rogan?

  I've talked about that many times like you don't know what the fuck is going on in the world the world is filled with chaos like you need people that are paying attention to that shit and they should be on your side

• 41:18Speaker 02

  yeah

• 41:19Joe Rogan?

  they should be on the side of the American people paying attention to threats if you think that that's that not paying attention at all is going to do you any good when there's all these countries out there that are fucking plotting constantly you're crazy

• 41:31Speaker 02

  yeah no

• 41:32Joe Rogan?

  this is a you're living in the utopia you're living in a fake world the real world is filled with madness and you gotta have people paying attention to

• 41:40Speaker 02

  yeah but I think so I think that you know to answer that that question I think they're more they're more focused on or interested in or you know looking at this issue of you know and it's it's surfaced again right the same time as the Epstein files right now it's like sucking all the oxygen out of the room for the past couple of days Tulsi Gabbard comes out and says I'm releasing these documents she releases these documents

• 42:02Joe Rogan?

  what do you think about all that like so this is the accusation They're throwing around the word treason.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  They're saying that Obama knew that Russia did not meddle in the election, did not have any impact in the election, but yet promoted this idea. And then there's been some incredible clips of all these different news reporters, CNN and MSNBC, just saying over and over and over again, clear evidence of Russian collusion and...

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you got Hillary Clinton saying, you know, is, is, you know, an air of illegitimacy around Trump's, you know, victory, you know, from 2016 because of this. I mean, she was very clear about it. And as were many others.

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  The news is tightening on Trump. It's all gonna come out. He's an agent of Russia.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Adam Schiff coming out on camera numerous times, saying, you know, I can't tell you what I've seen, but I've seen things. There's a lot more than circumstantial evidence about this collusion. So, yeah, they, but again, it's, it's much more comp, it's always the same thing. It's much more complex than what folks tend to hear just in like a two and a half or three minute news segment, right? So, the Democrats want you to think, there's nothing to see here in these documents. How could you possibly spend time doing this? You're just trying to distract from the Epstein files. And the Republicans are saying, Obama committed treason, right? The reality is, as it oftentimes is, is, is somewhere in

• 43:25Speaker 02

  that middle, right? There, there, there's a lot of conflating of, of issues here. So, nobody is questioning, now that Republicans or Democrats, nobody's questioning that the Russians meddled in the election, just like they did in the previous one, just like they did in this last one. Just like, they're always, but they've been meddling since World War II, right? Since the end of the, of World War II. They've, they've always had an interest in influencing US politics.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  Now, when you say meddle, do you mean like social media bots? Do you mean like influencing politicians? Like, what do you mean by meddle?

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean... You know, in the early days, what were they doing? In the early days, they would pay off trade union representatives, right? To, to push a certain line, to, you know, to push for a softer tone, much like the Chinese do now, push for a softer tone against the Soviet Union, right? Or, um, in, in, during World War II, to push for isolationism, keep the US out of the war, right? Before the Nazis turned on the Soviet Union and they tended to need us. Or they would pay journalists to write articles pushing a particular point of view. And so there were those things. Now, social media meddling is a lot easier, right? It's a lot cheaper.

• 44:38Joe Rogan?

  For sure they do that.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure they do that.

• 44:40Joe Rogan?

  And for sure they did that in 2016.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Absolutely, and, and nobody's questioning that, right? What's happening is that, the, once again, there's a bit of a messaging problem from the Trump administration. Trump administration, at the end of the day, is saying, what was bullshit was this Russia collusion angle, right? Was the idea that, you know, this is complicated to, to explain, and I'm not doing a very good job of it, but they're saying, yes, there was meddling, but you pushed a story, meaning Brennan and Comey and, you know, all the others that were involved in this, and now going up to the top with Obama, saying, you took what was, um, a, uh, intel community

• 45:23Speaker 02

  assessment, um, the ICA is, because everything has an acronym, um, that said there was no indication of, of, uh, of Russian efforts to push or influence in a particular direction the election, right? And most of that initial reporting was on, um, election, uh, election infrastructure. So, there was a fairly, you know, significant bit there that said, the Russians weren't able to hack into election machines and actually alter vote counts, right? So, they said, we have seen no evidence of that, right? And... So you could argue that in part, the Trump administration is having a hard time explaining,

• 46:04Speaker 02

  much like I am, that the problem here wasn't that there was, anybody's saying there's no meddling, there's meddling, they're just saying that you, at a certain point, around about December 9th, I think it was, you had a meeting where Obama was sitting in there with Comey and Andrew McCabe and a variety of others, and the president himself requested a different intelligence community assessment, which is a little unusual for a president to say, "I'd like you to do an ICA on a particular thing," which is what he did.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  Can you elaborate on that? Like, so they were telling him what?

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Well, they were telling him, "We don't see that Russian meddling impacted the election," basically. The Dems are saying, "Well, that's just about the electronic infrastructure, about the voting machines," right? In reality, the ICA was also, that instruction, the PDB, the president's daily brief, and the writing that had been done, the analysis had been done up to that point, was saying, "We haven't seen anything that the Russian meddling influenced the outcome of the election." Well, then, shortly, and then they squashed that particular piece, right? They said, "Let's shelve that," and that's what a lot of the emails that Tulsi Gabbard released show, right? It's like, all this agonizing, it's amazing anything shit gets done in the government

• 47:20Speaker 02

  when you read these emails going back and forth between James Clapper at the DNI and other places.

• 47:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you sent me some of that stuff to go through.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the analysts and others, and they're all saying, "Okay, well, what kind of tone do we give it? What do we say about this?" And you can also see in there that they're saying, "We don't think the Steele dossier is credible." You know, the two senior Russian analysts, right, at the agency, were telling John Brennan at the time, "If you put the dossier in there as a piece of information into this assessment, you're compromising the credibility of the whole thing, because we don't believe it," right? And this is December, right? And Brennan instructed, and it's in writing, instructed them to go ahead and do it, right? Because it basically, he was, he liked the narrative, right, of the Steele dossier.

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  And so he chose that over... Um, the analytical, um, process, right, over the discipline that you need to corroborate information that's going to go to a high level, um, intel assessment. So, uh, you know, if anybody's in, in the crosshairs right now, it's probably John Brennan, right, in terms of, because he went up on, on Capitol Hill at some point and, and, and said that, you know, the Steele dossier didn't form an important point of, you know, wasn't in the, the document, wasn't in the ICA, the ICA is now out there and, and sure enough, it was not only in the annex, it was in the body of the report, which gives it much more credibility. So, yeah, so he, you know, I, I'm not a lawyer, but, you know, I think

• 48:51Speaker 02

  he should be concerned a little bit about where that might go. But Obama reportedly, and it's in email traffic, you know, requested, right, a different ICA. And so shortly thereafter, they produce a report-

• 49:07Joe Rogan?

  How does he say it?

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Uh, I forget what the exact wording, I'm not gonna get it.

• 49:10Joe Rogan?

  Because that's a crazy thing. If you have a bunch of experts-

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:13Joe Rogan?

  -that give you an assessment, this is the facts, this is how it went down, and you're like, I don't like those facts.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  Well, I don't think-

• 49:19Joe Rogan?

  I want a different version of it.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  I don't think he said I don't like the facts, and that's where this is gonna be a problem. Anybody who thinks Obama's gonna go to prison for treasonous conspiracy, I think, again, much like Pam Bondi, you know, with the, her treating of the Epstein files, which was ridiculous, Tulsi Gabbard's gotten out over her skis, treasonous conspiracy-

• 49:34Joe Rogan?

  Is that what she said?

• 49:35Speaker 02

  That's what she said. It's not gonna happen. Anybody who thinks Obama's going to, forget about it, you know. It'll be, you'll be lucky if you get any consequences of anything out of this. Again, I'm, I'm very cynical about where investigations go.

• 49:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is also based on the Supreme Court's justification of everything that Trump did while he was in office.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:52Joe Rogan?

  So you can't try him for things they do when they're off-

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Immunity, yeah. Immunity for, you know, for acting, you know, uh, under the authority as a president.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  But so and it's also very nuanced, right? He can sit in there, he's perfectly got the right to sit in a meeting and say, okay, well, I tell you what, let's, let's sit on this, right? And James Clapper and the others agreed, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna take this document and we're gonna set it aside that we all worked on. Now we want to restructure it focused on, you know, the outcome of the election and the Russian meddling and where this went and how they, so it was, he can do that, right? And it's nuanced and he can, and, and never get in trouble because, yeah, fine, you've got the right to do that. I mean, it's not, it's not illegal by any means, but there is no doubt in my mind that

• 50:39Speaker 02

  there was a desire to, um, to drive this thing in a certain direction, right? And so there is no doubt in my mind that, A, first of all, using the Steele dossier in there was, it was just horseshit, right? Because that, that thing, there hasn't been any allegation in that Steele dossier that's, that's been verifiable. And they knew that, right? So, so they went, and they, remember, they used that Steele dossier in part to then go to FISA courts and, and get warrants, right? So that's another issue that I think from a legal perspective, again, not a lawyer, but I think some people should be probably concerned about how they represented that information, knowing, right? Based on kind of what we're seeing from the, the document releases from Tulsi Gabbard.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  But again, you can see by virtue of how difficult I'm, I'm trying to explain this, it's much more complex, right? Than just them bad, these guys good, these guys good, these guys bad, right? It's, there's layers here that I think need to be examined, and I think that, um, at the end of the day, you're not really going to get, much like every fucking everything else that happens in DC, you're not going to get a lot of satisfaction on this one. But I do think, I'm convinced that, yeah, they drove this narrative. Shortly after, into January, when they released the new ICA, then suddenly leaks to the press, and that's when the Russia collusion story happened, right? Mm-hmm. And that's the, you know, that's the, that's the thing that they should be focused on, right?

• 52:08Speaker 02

  They're, they're losing, they're Using the, the message because they're, they're throwing shit out there. There's a lot of detail and people get bored and you know, so I think that's, that's a problem they're gonna have here trying to push this thing forward. And I do think also that Tulsi Gabbard should have been a little bit more circumspect in the way she explained this, right? And how she described the actions. Cause I think there were some people who are culpable in terms of going after this narrative and pushing this Russia collusion story that then wasted a couple of years and you know, God knows how much money on investigations and impeachment hearings and all the rest of it.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

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• 54:55Joe Rogan?

  your first box of fresh, healthy food. Plus, get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com/rogan. This offer is for new customers only. But why do you think she chose to frame it that way? Do you think she was instructed to do that? Or she was guided to do that? Or encouraged to do that? Cause if, if, if it's not warranted, if you don't believe it's warranted based on the evidence that you've looked at, like, she's the Director of National Intelligence. How does?

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Well, I think, I think she's, part of it is the realization that, look, I mean, you, you put that information out there. I think it would have been more appropriate if she'd released all the documentation. Said, here's, and, and lay out in a very good, like, almost like a PowerPoint presentation for the, you know, make it very simple for the press. Cause the press isn't inclined to pursue this because the press were complicit, right? So you're trying to say, this is what these people did and you helped them. Now, what we want is for you, meaning the media, to uncover all of this and report on it. They're not gonna, they're fucking not gonna, they were winning awards, journalistic awards for their coverage of the Russia collusion story.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  So the idea that they're gonna somehow now say, yeah, oh, that was a problem. Uh, so I think they should have maybe just made this more factual-based. Stayed away from the, you know, the sort of the hyperbolic statements about treason and all the rest of it. And then, you know, tried to explain it to the American public in a way that they can digest a little bit better, right? But when you throw out things like treasonous conspiracy, once again, much like with the Epstein thing, you're, you're creating this, this kind of howling mob that's gonna expect something. And I just don't know that they're gonna get it, but.

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  Right. So do you think that it's possible that? She was encouraged to do this because this kind of takes away some of the heat off of the Epstein thing?

• 56:41Speaker 02

  I'm sure that was a thought process in there somewhere, yeah.

• 56:43Joe Rogan?

  Possibly.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a reasonable assumption.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  Look, it's an important issue, right? If you have the intel community, or you have, you know, the White House deciding to themselves, look, we know this information is kind of bullshit, but it certainly serves a narrative, which is, we want to delegitimize the new president that's coming in because we can't stand him, then that's a really, really serious problem that needs to be examined.

• 57:10Joe Rogan?

  It's also so short-sighted because, do you not know that that information is eventually going to come out, that's going to compromise the confidence that people have in anything that the intelligence agencies put forth after that?

• 57:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I think a lot of, you know, part of what was going on was the expectation that Hillary Clinton was going to win, right? So, like with the Steele dossier, trying to, you know, dig up leverageable information or dirt on Trump, you know, I think they were all under the assumption, well, Hillary Clinton's going to win, doesn't really matter what we do right now, because she's going to cover for us, right?

• 57:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  And, you know, I don't think they ever expected Trump to win. So, you know, then suddenly they've got to shift course a little bit and think, okay, all right, well, now that didn't work, now what? Well, let's say that, and we've got this document over here talking about Russian meddling, hmm, you know, is it that much of a push to kind of say that, you know, that we believe there might have been collusion? And the media ran with it, right? They didn't have to do much.

• 58:05Joe Rogan?

  They ran with it for three years.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  For three years, yeah.

• 58:08Joe Rogan?

  Three years hardcore, all the time, every time they talked about Trump.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:12Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're the biggest Trump hater in the world, I understand, but understand this, that that is dangerous. It's dangerous to have the media in lockstep with the government who's saying something that's not true.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, and they scream about, you know, threats to democracy all the time, let's just be a little bit more self-aware, realize, you know, what that looked like, right? You can't, you know, people were just bullshitting about evidence that they had or that they saw, right?

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, the Democrats saying anything's a threat to democracy is wild when they haven't had a primary since 2012.

• 58:48Joe Rogan?

  That's wild.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  That's really wild. I mean, they, they kicked Bernie out. They made sure RFK Junior wasn't in. And then when it came time for Kamala to run, no primary at all. They just put her in position.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  That's wild.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, they didn't know what else to do. And, and, and by the way, there's so much going on right now.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Today, speaking of Kamala and now, now we're going to speak about Biden. But today, uh, what was his name? The chief of staff, uh, the former chief of staff for Biden. I think he was only there for a couple of years. Uh, Ron Klain was up on Capitol Hill to talk because they're holding these interviews up on Capitol Hill to try to figure out what the hell was going on, right? What, at what point did people decide they're going to cover up the mental condition of Joe Biden? And that's another, look, I mean.

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  And then they're all pleading the fifth.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  They're all pleading the fifth. Kevin O'Connor, his, uh, the White House doctor, um, pled the fifth. Um, senior advisor to Joe Biden, uh, what's his name? Bernal, Andrew Bernal pled the fifth, right? Um, you know, and Ron Klain apparently stayed up there for a couple of hours talking, right? But, you know, again, I don't, he wasn't there for the last couple of years of the administration, I think. But he was there for the debate prep, right? And he's come out publicly and said, I was shocked at his condition. So, you know, people.

• 1:00:08Joe Rogan?

  I think they set him up for failure in that debate. Why, first of all, why are they having a debate that late? Why would they agree to a debate at 9:00 PM?

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  When you got a guy who's really old and kind of broken down. Why would you do that?

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  Television timing, who knows?

• 1:00:25Joe Rogan?

  And it seemed like, didn't someone blame it on him being on Ambien?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Hunter did.

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Hunter did.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  That fantastic interview that Hunter just did with, uh, I forget his name, Andrew Callahan or something like that. Um, yeah, he, he referenced, now he's walking it back saying, I, you know, I wasn't meaning that he was on Ambien during the debate. I'm just saying, you know, they had him on Ambien because of his travel schedule. Guy was, guy was at Camp David and resting in Delaware for 10 days prior to the debate. So, yeah, I don't know.

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  Jesus, what a mess. I think they set him up. I think they wanted him out and this is the way to do it. Get him in the debate. Don't give him his medicine.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Excuse me.

• 1:01:06Joe Rogan?

  Don't give him the proper medication to keep him up and peppy. And let him out there all confused and apparently he had a cold at the time too, so it was.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  But if you, if they were gonna do that, wouldn't you think that they would, um,

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  I don't know, um, have a better plan, a plan B?

• 1:01:23Joe Rogan?

  No, they didn't have a plan and I think the Biden administration, the people didn't want him to step down. There's people inside the organization that didn't want him to step down, particularly supposedly Jill. Jill did not want him to step down. But then there's the cancer thing. Like, how do they not know that he has cancer?

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Stage four.

• 1:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy, like, that's years of developing.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I, I, I just think if, if there was a, if there was a plan, if there was a nefarious plan to have him step down, um, I think they thought he would get through it. I think they did, um.

• 1:02:02Joe Rogan?

  He might have, if he performed the way he performed in the first debate.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know. I just, it seems to me that, that

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  there, they were caught in the headlights at the point where, where he did so poorly. Yeah, I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm gonna, I know.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on with you?

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's the ambient, starting to kick in.

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever taken that stuff?

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:02:27Joe Rogan?

  It scares the shit out of me, no.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  You know, yeah.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  No, my friend Kevin took it and he got up in the middle of the night, cooked a meal, went to bed and, uh, didn't know he cooked a meal, so he went back and saw the plates in the kitchen, thought someone broke into his house and cooked.

• 1:02:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, yeah, that's not good.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  No, no. Um, I've never taken, have you taken Xanax?

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  No, neither have I, yeah.

• 1:02:50Joe Rogan?

  That stuff's scary. That's what fucked Jordan Peterson up. That stuff's really hard to kick.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:02:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Benzodiazepine is one of the hardest things to kick. It's, uh, one of the things that if you get off a cold turkey, it can kill you.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  Good God.

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. And they put everybody on it.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, well, that's what I was gonna say. It seems like it's readily available.

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  As is Adderall.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Readily available and fucking super bad for you.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Although during the, uh, what was it during the pandemic, you couldn't get Adderall. I remember that being an issue, right? I remember reading stories about that.

• 1:03:24Joe Rogan?

  Make it overseas?

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  Couldn't, yeah, exactly. As they do with most of our pharmaceuticals, including what we've been talking about.

• 1:03:30Joe Rogan?

  And so then people probably bought black market Adderall, which probably has fentanyl in it, which probably contributed to a lot of deaths.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I got this voice now. I sound like, uh, Kim Carnes, you know?

• 1:03:41Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  Betty Davis eyes.

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Kim Carnes?

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Very sultry voice I've got going on here for a second.

• 1:03:46Joe Rogan?

  I forgot about that song.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I suspect most people have.

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Time waits for no one.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think, uh, yeah, so the Biden, uh, let's call it a cover up. That's, again, it's, it's an example of, um, how people are not more upset about that, right? I mean, it, again, with the idea that we've got ADHD and everybody's moving on, but you would imagine that that story, if, if none other, right? Because it's not quite as complicated as the, as the intel issue, or even as the Epstein files, it's pretty straightforward. People hiding the condition of the leader of the free world. So, anyway. That's, it's just a thought. I'm surprised that it's gone away.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, then there's the Autopen as well. That's another wild thing.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Because. So many of these people that were pardoned were pardoned by Autopen. And so you have to, it begs the question, like, how was that negotiated? Like, who was involved in that? Who made those decisions? What was their motivation? Were they compensated?

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Was, and look, he was, he says, the former president Biden says he was advised on all of this. He was in on all of these and, and the Autopen was primarily used for, you know, um, you know, sort of rote pardons, um, collective pardons, where they're pardoning, you know, for a, an action, if you know, and so you have a number of people included in that, that you're, you're giving pardons to. But, um, all of this, whether it's that, whether it's any of the other things we've been talking about, at the end of the day, it's, it's no wonder, look, people's confidence level in politicians and government institutions and the media is at an all time low, right?

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  And that's a, I think that's a, it's a really dangerous thing, but I don't see how you walk the dog back on that, right? I mean, how do you do that? How do you, how do you suddenly create more trust in any of those things?

• 1:05:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think a lot of people thought that draining the swamp would create trust, right? The idea of Trump coming into office, we had four terrible years under Biden, Trump's gonna come in and clean things up, everything's gonna make sense now. But everything is just as chaotic, if not more, and just as confusing. I mean, there's good things that are happening, the closing of the border is clearly a good thing. That was fucking scary and dangerous.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, from, look, from a, from a policy perspective, look, they, the other day, they had, um, like nine crossings, right? Nine, right? Compared to maybe 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 a day in, in the previous administration. Um, so that, that's a, that's a huge win. And that's what they should be talking about. And they should be talking about, um, the, the trade deals, right? They got a good trade deal with Japan, they got a good trade deal with Indonesia, they got a good trade deal with Vietnam, they, you know, signed one with the UK, they're getting ready for the European Union. Um, there's things that they should be talking about. And instead, once again, we're fucking consumed with what we've been discussing, Epstein and the intel manipulation, you know, I mean, you think in Biden's condition and...

• 1:06:58Joe Rogan?

  Obama treason.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's really, it's, it's disappointing, but, you know, I, again, I don't know how...

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  You know, it, this, I'm not sure where I'm going with this, other than the fact that it's, it's very depressing if you think about, you know, where our focus is right now, right? There's a lot of flashpoints around the world, a lot of real, serious crises, right? And, and threats to national security and, and concerns. And, you know, the, the White House can't seem to, you know, get a focus, right, on, on things. And, but yeah, the, the border thing is a, is a great win. That's a, that's a very, from a national security issue, that's a terrific win.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the, the fact that it was open for so long is so insane to think that anybody would think that would be a good idea, unless you wanted chaos.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, that is always discussed as like, was it intentional? I don't see how it's not intentional, right? And, I mean, that's, because we can see now, after six months of the, the, the second Trump administration, that you can fix the problem, right?

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they could have fixed it instantly.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  It's very fixable. They could have done it, and they, and they chose not to, so, you, you know, clearly, there's a lot of people in that, in the Dem Party, in the Democratic Party, that, you know, are fans of, or believe in, open borders.

• 1:08:18Joe Rogan?

  But there's also the moving of the people to swing states, and the fact that it changes the number of congressional seats regardless of whether or not someone's there legally or illegally. Once they do a sentence on how many people live there, it raises the number of congressional seats that's available.

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:34Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  All that, all that's so wild, that it's so transparent.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  I, I mean, look at, look, you know, look at Europe. I know that's kind of a, you know, people talk about this, but look at France, look at the UK, I mean, you know, much smaller environments, and you can see what happens when you have massive migration, right? And it's, and, look, hey, I'm not, I'm not against immigration, I'm just saying, it should be legal, you should know who's coming across your border.

• 1:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  You should have security. Uh, you can't pay for everybody, right? I mean, so, opening up your borders and say, "Come on in, and we're gonna provide you with, with, you know, whatever M'Ghodani in New York is providing, new free grocery stores and free buses and free childcare, and everything's gonna be free."

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  And they're gonna tax businesses.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  That's what he said. He said, "And if you're wondering how I'm gonna pay for this, I'm gonna tax the rich." Right? You think like, "Oh my god, how... You know, Stalin. You've been going all the way back to... You know, communists have been talking that way for years, feeding the same bullshit lines to gormless sheep. Where just now, Mumdani's just talking to a new generation of sheep. And, and, uh, you know, he could well end up as the mayor.

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, like, utopian perspectives are really attractive to young people. Because you see the way these older, rich people have been running the world. It's all corrupt. They don't care. They're all capitalists and monsters. All they care about is money. "I don't have any money. I want them to take the money away from the rich people and give it to the poor people, and then everything will be fine."

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  It's like a common thought amongst young people.

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Look, I get it. If you're a young person, you probably look at your parents if your parents have done okay, done well. And you're thinking, "Well, that, you know, maybe I'm not gonna be able to do that." Right? I mean, there are a lot of young folks now saying, "I can't buy a house. How am I gonna get a down payment for a house?" Right? Um, you know, I'm drowning in school loans, which of course they took out. Uh, but, so I get the frustration in a sense. And so I think, you know, Mumdani is doing, again, what, you know, a lot of slick socialists or communists in the past have done, right? He's speaking to the, to the masses and he's using all these platitudes. And there will be an element that, that buys into it, right? Because they haven't seen how shitty it can be, right?

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like a huge element bought into it. He won the primary.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  He won the primary, yeah. No, I...

• 1:10:50Joe Rogan?

  So what happens now? So Eric Adams is the current mayor.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  So if this guy wins the primary, is, is Adams even... Is it possible for him to run? Like, what... How does it work now?

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  Well, I guess, I mean, he could run as a... He could run as an independent. Um, which maybe is his intention.

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Because he apparently is still running, right?

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  He plans on running?

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  Wasn't Cuomo also planning on running, or did he drop out again?

• 1:11:17Joe Rogan?

  I believe he's still trying to run as well.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he's...

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  So he lost the primary, and I think people think that people are so horrified that Mondani's in, that they think that maybe it's possible. And then there's Curtis Sliwa, who still wants to wear that stupid fucking hat.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, God bless Curtis Sliwa.

• 1:11:33Joe Rogan?

  If he took that fucking hat off, maybe he'd have a chance.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, at some point, he's gotta stop that. But I think there's a good chance that if Eric Adams ran as an independent, maybe that's the plan, and if Cuomo dropped out, I think if they split the vote, then I think Mondani wins. But they're going to have to, and the Democrats, you know, nationwide, seem to have some real concern over Mondani, right? Because that's not the message they want to send at a time when they see sort of this cultural shift in America, where they're thinking, okay, we might be done with this whole woke issue, right? And then they see Mondani out there slinging the bullshit, doubling down. And you got Bernie Sanders backing him, you got Jerry Nadler in New York backing him, you got, obviously, AOC backing him. So they rightly so, because what do they want to do?

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  They want to reclaim the White House, right? And they want to reclaim the Senate. They're not gonna do it riding the backs of a vowed socialist, right, who wants to reclaim...

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  More than a socialist, essentially a communist.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So, and he's, you know, he's, you know, again, you know, God bless the ideology of the youth, but, you know, people should, you know, do a little bit more research into his ideas and how they've worked elsewhere, right? And maybe they might chase their vote.

• 1:12:52Joe Rogan?

  There's only one way to enforce those ideas, and that's with guns.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's right.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  That's how you force people.

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  Get the hell over there.

• 1:13:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, government grocery stores and taking money away from the rich people, like, how are you gonna enforce that? You need force.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  Well, they're trying to. I mean, look, California tried to, I think they've, maybe they've even enacted it. They've tried to figure out a way to tax people who are leaving the state.

• 1:13:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a thought that they had that I don't think is constitutional.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they wanted to, I think it was five years. So if you had left with it, so me, I could get taxed, even though I've been out there for five years. But that's just

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Joe Rogan?

  They're just so irresponsible with what they've done with the tax money. They have some of the highest taxes in the country and it's chaos. And then they're, they're also like upset that people want to film what's going on in the Palisades in Malibu.

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  Oh shit, yeah. Yeah, I was there not too long ago and

• 1:13:50Joe Rogan?

  Nothing, nothing's done.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  Nothing's happening. It's still a war zone, right? You drive up towards Malibu and everything's just gutted, right? So you think, and, and, and it's because you've got thousands and thousands of regulations in place that prevent, you know, the reconstruction, right? Just trying to get a simple permit for something.

• 1:14:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  Takes you forever. And yeah.

• 1:14:09Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be years.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think it's gonna be interesting because Gavin Newsom obviously is in sort of a soft campaign right now to, uh, set the table to run for president. I mean, he's desperate. He's, you know, he's, he's, he's like some kid who wants to be the class president.

• 1:14:21Joe Rogan?

  Did you see him on Sean Ryan's podcast?

• 1:14:23Speaker 02

  Um, I did not. I'm sorry I missed that one.

• 1:14:25Joe Rogan?

  He's doing podcasts.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:14:27Joe Rogan?

  It was a disaster.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Well, he's got his own podcast, right?

• 1:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so how'd he do on Sean's?

• 1:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Terrible.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Terrible. It was terrible. I mean, there's only so much you can say. Like, the record speaks for itself. His record is terrible.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  Well, that's, and that's a problem.

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• 1:16:32Speaker 02

  If you look at the Democrat Party and you say, okay, so what does that mean? Because right now, they're flailing about. They're doing this autopsy of what happened from this last election, even though they're not going to address the issue of Joe Biden and at what point did we know that he shouldn't be running. They're going to leave that off the table. But the purpose of the autopsy is essentially to try to figure out what's our next step? Who's our next leader? And they did a survey not that long ago, and they said, who's the top of the Democrat Party? And the top three individuals were AOC, Kamala Harris, and Bernie Sanders.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  And none of them got more than like a 10% of the total on the survey. So when you've got those three as your option, and you're trying to figure out how do you appeal more to a larger mass, they got an issue. Yeah, I agree. It's not going to be Gavin Newsom. It won't be Pete Buttigieg.

• 1:17:34Joe Rogan?

  They've got a solution. Jamie, I just texted you something. This is the solution.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  The solution?

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Here's a solution.

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  It's coming up. I hope it's not Hillary.

• 1:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Finally, a Democrat who could shine on Joe Rogan's show. Hunter Biden is Unrepentant by Helen Lewis. Helen, take your medication.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 1:18:03Joe Rogan?

  He did the best ad for crack ever, though.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Joe Rogan?

  It was a great ad for crack.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  It was not just an ad. It was a, it was a cooking show. That fucker, that fucker taught American youth how to make crack. And on, and it was, I was astounded as he sat there and he, nobody, I mean, he loves crack more than anything in the world, right?

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  It sounded great.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  He was romantically involved with crack.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  He said it's safer than alcohol.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. Take that to the bank, kids. Holy shit.

• 1:18:34Joe Rogan?

  It's a thing. What the fuck? Talk about like not learning from what happened during the crack epidemic ruined American cities.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 1:18:44Joe Rogan?

  It's like, that's-

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Which reportedly was done by the, the agency, by the way.

• 1:18:47Joe Rogan?

  Importantly, yeah.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  Again, conspiracy theories. But, yeah, I, I, well, excuse me, I'm battling a summer cold, apparently.

• 1:18:56Joe Rogan?

  It's probably the allergies. There's so many allergies here in Austin.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  Oh, God. Yeah, I, that, that interview with, how is it, apparently the, the family has no control over him, but how is it that they allow him to go and do podcasts or interviews of any sort, right? They, they need to do an intervention and, you know, look, I, I, I hope he's clean. I hope he's not, you know.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Is he in clean? When he was talking about, I mean, he said, I'm reluctant to explain this, but he was being honest about like why it works and what's so euphoric about it.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  Well, it feeds into, the Democrats have decided apparently that they need to be tougher, right? Because after the last election, and so they would send Tim Walz out there and, you know, Elmer Fudd and in his hunting gear to try to, try to appeal to, to middle America. And so I can see it, you know, and you see, you know, more Democrats getting out there and, and swearing because that makes them tougher. So that interview with Hunter Biden, I can see feeds into this idea that the, the Democrat strategists have is we've got to be more mainstream, right? We've just got to be, which again- And it's kind of in part why they're so concerned over Mumdani in uh in uh New York City.

• 1:20:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, they're they were trying for a long time to squash masculinity and frame it all as being toxic. And people rebelled against that in a huge way.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Eventually, it took a while.

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of young men in particularly went to the right because of that. And a lot of young men that would ordinarily have probably voted Democrat if you were just fucking reasonable. But you turn them into villains for no reason, other than just being men.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Joe Rogan?

  And that was a narrative that people were really sick of. And it's like the pendulum swings one way and the other way. It always does, it always has. This is how we course correct. We try to figure out our way through this world and people go one way too far. And then they overcorrect going the other way. And then we try to bring it back to the middle and it never really kind of goes there.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, you're right, it is. And that's been the problem for quite some time is.

• 1:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  It is, it's like that pendulum. You have you're you're over here and then instead of it like settling in the center. You're back over here and every and that happens every every administration change, right? So you get this knee jerk reaction and you know, from a legislative perspective, that's a real problem, right? Because you never you really never do get shit done, right? Because you're bouncing from extreme to extreme.

• 1:21:15Joe Rogan?

  It's also a problem with this four year term thing. It's like every four years, we have a new person. Or the same person does it twice. These are the opposite, the only options that you have. So you have this terrible situation where you're always like shitting on the other side and there's no there's no like, hey, this is the president now, let's all work together.

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, what if you had a a a setup like uh like Mexico? Mexico has a presidency where you can you you serve a six year term and that's it. You're done, one term, but it's six years. I don't know.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing, though. It's still the same thing, you know, it was like we these people fucked it up. We're gonna do a better job and then they get in and it's the same fucking thing.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  Well, and also you get the self-interest, obviously, obviously, that's not rocket science. But if you can be a a senator for forty six years or however long.

• 1:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Which is nuts.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  Which is nuts.

• 1:22:06Joe Rogan?

  And you can make hundreds of millions of dollars somehow or another.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  Right, and that's another thing. I I always wonder, how do how do people not? And again, maybe, you know, some intrepid investigative journalists, if there are any left, I mean, who wouldn't want to do a story about the, the, uh, the, the wealth gains by politicians? Just look at the past 10 years, right, and say, and, and take them on both sides, right? So you look at, you look at Chuck Schumer and AOC, and you look at, on the other side, you look at Grassley, and you, you look at Mitch McConnell, whatever, right? And you look at those, and, and that would make a fascinating series if you just said, "How the fuck did you make your money?"

• 1:22:42Joe Rogan?

  It's 100% both sides too, which is so important, because everybody wants to point to Pelosi, and Pelosi made a lot of money for sure.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Joe Rogan?

  But it's a lot of them. It's a lot of them.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. We do a, um, I don't, I don't handle any of our finances, because I'm not smart enough. Um, but, and, uh, we do have a fund that, uh, tracks Pelosi, right? There's a Pelosi tracker fund, and it's done very well, right? It's done very well, and I'm always fascinated, because I'm thinking, well, of course it does well, because you're sitting up there on goddamn Capitol Hill, you hear in these hearings, you hear about developments, right? And it doesn't have to be about a particular company. It could be about our particular dealings with, uh, a, a country, right? And regulatory concerns with that country, or it could be about a sector, and where we're going. And you can, yes, of course you can use that information to your benefit, unless you're a moron.

• 1:23:31Joe Rogan?

  But it shouldn't be legal, right?

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  Shouldn't be legal, no, no.

• 1:23:34Joe Rogan?

  It's insider trading.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:35Joe Rogan?

  Like, they put Martha Stewart away for insider trading.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So how about, you know, politicians, but...

• 1:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Actually, they put her away for lying.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Did they?

• 1:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they didn't get her on insider trading, they got her for lying.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Because, you know, during the investigation, she didn't tell the truth about something. But they didn't actually, I don't believe she was actually jailed for insider trading.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  It's always the cover-up. It's always the cover-up.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  But it's all, it's all just horseshit when someone like Nancy Pelosi is able to do it legally. If you're able to make hundreds of millions of dollars legally through some, where your, your salary is so low. Most people who make, and not that it's low, but most people who make a salary of a, it's a, it's a great salary, but most people who make $170,000 a year might have $170,000 in the bank.

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay?

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  They won't have 200 million.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:22Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  And they'll argue, well, I get a lot of it from speeches and from books and eh, I don't think you do. I don't think you do.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  You could track it. You could see how much money she'd be in the stock market.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I'm saying. That would be a fascinating series if that's what you did is if you did asset tracing and, and you know, a financial review of, of, you know, modern day politicians. How did you make your goddamn money?

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Also, why are you still doing it? You're older than Biden. She's older than Biden. Like chill out.

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  I just, I know, but that's.

• 1:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Go on a vacation.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  It'll never happen. People, it's not even about the money. It's about, it's about the access, the power, the people, you know, who carry your bags and toady after you, you know, and then they love that shit. So I get it. I get what the attraction is. Uh, I'm just saying that, you know, if, if, if we had any balls, you know, we would have had enacted term limits quite some time ago. Um, yeah, anyway.

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, and at the very least they should block insider trade. You, I'm sure you've seen that time when she was questioned about insider trading.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, we should be able to participate. You're not participating lady. You're, you're making hundreds of millions of dollars. It's insane.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  And this is not a partisan, I, I agree with you a hundred percent. It's not a partisan issue. It's everybody gets up on there.

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. If you look at the trades, if you look at it between the red and the blue, it's across the board. They're all doing it. It's, I think it's like, it lures them in. I think once they get into office and even if they have good intentions, they get lured in by a corrupt system and then they play ball.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:54Joe Rogan?

  And then they get paid.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and then, and then you get a lifetime pension.

• 1:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  Which again, makes no sense. You know, how about you, how about you, you know, you say, okay, fine. You're going up there on Capitol Hill. You get your pension while you're up there. Um, your pay is, you know, maybe similar to, I don't know, the military, you know, your congressman, maybe you get a major's pay. I have no idea. I'm just making that shit up, but, um, take the financial incentives and the excitement out of it. And maybe you get a different group of people who want to pursue that, that work. And then they just go to the hell back to wherever they came from and work a job.

• 1:26:30Joe Rogan?

  But also there's a problem that the campaigns are so ugly and we've agreed sort of as a society that that's how we do it. And that these people are gonna attack each other. You know, I remember one of the things during the, um, but when Biden was running, when Kamala Harris was saying that he was guilty of sexual assault. Like, you remember that?

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:53Joe Rogan?

  And then afterwards, she gets interviewed, I think it was by Colbert, and she's like, "It was a debate."

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  "It was a debate." Like, imagine that. It's a debate. And so you're willing to say something in a debate that's not true?

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Well, that's just policy that you can, you know, I, I, I think it's partly just a disdain for the American voter, um, and the belief that you can, you, you, people will move on. And they do. Maybe that's, you know, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. People tend to, you know, um, forget pretty quickly.

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're overwhelmed by information now. We are constantly, consistently overwhelmed by the news cycle. And it, it is almost impossible. You have to have like some sort of a Mike Ben style recall in your head.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  Where you can keep track of everything because it's just coming at you so fast. And Doge and Elon and this and that. I had some guy ask me last night, "Do you think that the Elon Musk and Donald Trump thing was staged?" And I go, "Do you think it's staged?" He's like, "Absolutely, I think it's all fake." I go, "Wow." "Do you think that they made an agreement that Elon would say that you're on the Epstein client list and that's why you won't release the file?" "You, you think that like Donald and Elon came to that agreement?"

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, just sitting around over a Diet Coke thinking, "Yeah."

• 1:28:13Joe Rogan?

  They're all in on it. They're all in on it. Like, are you out of your fucking mind?

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  What do you think about Musk's, uh, uh, political party?

• 1:28:21Joe Rogan?

  First of all, my wife told me you really can't name it the America Party. It's not legal.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:28:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:31Joe Rogan?

  She's told me I believed her. Jamie will find out.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  He didn't follow up.

• 1:28:34Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Follow up. You weren't interested.

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  We're eating dinner.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  Thanks, honey.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  We're eating dinner. She goes, you know, you can't just call your party the America Party. I go, really? She goes, no, you can't. You can't use the term America for your party.

• 1:28:47Speaker 02

  I would think you could, but I don't know.

• 1:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Because I'd be like, fuck you, I'm the America Party.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  It's the whole country. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you decide you're the America Party and I'm against the America Party, well, that sounds like I'm against America.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  I guess, but you couldn't, you take, I'm calling it the America Party, I'm gonna trademark that name, next thing you know.

• 1:29:05Joe Rogan?

  That was my problem with the Patriot Act. Like, you can't call it the Patriot Act, you motherfucker, because then if you go against it, you're against the Patriots.

• 1:29:11Speaker 02

  Goddamn right. That's right.

• 1:29:13Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  The terrorists win.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Is it legal to call your party the America Party?

• 1:29:18Speaker 03

  I'm looking into, it says, for example, additionally, New York state law has outlawed the use of words like independent, independents, America, and American for the names of political parties.

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, there you go.

• 1:29:28Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:29Joe Rogan?

  So she's right.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  So listen.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  Just in New York, though.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Gotta come up with it. Oh, just in New York.

• 1:29:34Speaker 03

  What it sounds like.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  So nationally, it's legal?

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  I'll bet it's, yeah, if it's in New York, I'll bet it's.

• 1:29:40Speaker 03

  What does an independent call themselves in New York, then? If you run as an independent and it says you can't.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  Well, you can run as an independent, you can't call your party the independent party.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  It's all quite sus, isn't it?

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  Sus.

• 1:29:51Joe Rogan?

  Is it a little sus? That's what the kids call it. I have young kids.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  They call everything sus.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  Likewise.

• 1:29:56Joe Rogan?

  But it's, you know, like, what is he gonna do with this party? You're not gonna get, you know, how's that gonna work?

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think this, I, you know, as much as I don't, you know, I, I think there's, there should be room, I guess I should say it that way, there should be room for, uh, another party.

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  But I don't think there's enough oxygen to, uh, to, to do it.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. The name America Party has been used by several different political parties in the United States, most famously as the official name of the No-nothings. The No-nothings is my favorite. I would, that's what you should call it. The, why doesn't he call it the X Party? And he likes the term X. Uh, a nativist group sometimes dubbed the America's third party that rose to prominence in the years leading up to the US Civil War. The Know Nothings were in the, during the Civil War, that's crazy.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  The name America Party is an attempt to brand the party as a force of patriotism unity, that's what you're saying, yeah, okay.

• 1:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Wow, as well as the names of an anti Mormon party in Utah and the supporters of George Wallace.

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  There he is, he's not a handsome man.

• 1:31:00Joe Rogan?

  Boy, he looks evil.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, he does.

• 1:31:01Joe Rogan?

  Some people, I'm not voting for you and your fucked up eyebrows, bro. Some people just look like they are, you know what I mean?

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  George Wallace, I remember watching, I mean, I was tiny, but I remember, still to this day, I, I, watching that, when he got shot, at that rally that he was at.

• 1:31:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:31:19Speaker 02

  Put him in the wheelchair. Um, but, uh, yeah, I, I don't know, I, I, again, I don't think there's room for a third party, there should be, but I just don't see it happening, I, I, you know, we're, we're too entrenched in, in the way that we do things. And you start splitting the vote, um, and I think, you know, maybe it's, who knows, maybe you get more chaos than we've currently got.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

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• 1:33:06Joe Rogan?

  Takes a few minutes to sign up. Chime is a fintech, not a bank. Banking services and Chime card, provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for more details. One, those two together, it's like, geez, I saw that coming. I was like, this is not gonna work out.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Joe Rogan?

  When, when his son was with him in the Oval Office and the son told him to shut up.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Don't drop the shut up. The little kid told Trump to shut up and he said, you're not the president. Oh my God. What is that?

• 1:33:43Speaker 02

  It actually lasted longer than I thought it would.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it destroyed Elon.

• 1:33:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:48Joe Rogan?

  Destroyed his company. Destroyed Tesla. I mean, and then on top of that, when people started like putting swastikas on Teslas and keying Teslas.

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  Madness.

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Madness. I mean, and then people were probably very reluctant to buy a Tesla. Because they were worried like, hey, if I buy this fucking thing and park it somewhere, someone's gonna key it.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  I know somebody who actually covered up the Tesla insignia on their car.

• 1:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I was behind someone the other day on the highway and they had a fucking thing on their car that said, I bought this before Elon went crazy.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:34:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh God.

• 1:34:26Speaker 02

  You know.

• 1:34:26Joe Rogan?

  You're conceding. You're giving into the mob.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  And it was also.

• 1:34:30Joe Rogan?

  The dumbest mob.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  But there was an element also that was like, oh, you know, they're, they're, it's legitimate form of protest to, you know, what? To, to, to blow up a fucking Tesla dealership, right?

• 1:34:41Joe Rogan?

  That's not legitimate.

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  To blow up charging stations.

• 1:34:42Joe Rogan?

  It's certainly not legitimate to destroy people's private property. Who are just paying a lease on a car that they probably had for three or four fucking years before any of this shit went down.

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:53Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  But they do it. If someone walks by and keys the car, right? Keys the car, a Tesla. And you can just, you, you, A, they, I don't know why they all tend to look alike, but they do.

• 1:35:02Joe Rogan?

  They all do look alike.

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  All that they're just like this, this, this. Sense of self righteousness.

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  Like, I'm, I deserve to do this because I'm in the right. I'm do, I'm on the side of good. So therefore, I could do whatever the fuck I want.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:15Speaker 02

  So, anyway.

• 1:35:17Joe Rogan?

  Just mentally ill people.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Joe Rogan?

  And there's a lot of them in this country. And unfortunately, you can weaponize them.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, and then we've also played into it, right? I mean, so it's, you know, of the US Olympics, by the way, the US Olympic Committee, um, just, uh, said, you know, males will not be able to participate in female sports.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Shocker.

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  Shocking. I had no idea that we had to actually say that out loud, but apparently we do.

• 1:35:39Joe Rogan?

  Or they're gonna take that gold medal away from that dude who pretended he was a woman and won the boxing.

• 1:35:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. God, that was bizarre.

• 1:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Fuck off, man. So crazy.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, that's where this woke thing just hits the wall, where people who have daughters and people who're just like, like, hey, look, I want you to live your life and be whoever you want to be. I really do. I don't, I don't want to infringe upon your right to express yourself. But at a certain point in time, when you impose this on other people and you fuck up their lives, and Vivek had a great term. He was calling it the tyranny of the oppressed.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:36:17Joe Rogan?

  That the oppressed, people who are legitimately oppressed in a lot of ways, then they turn that on everybody else and they, they want everyone to concede their demands. And it's like, okay.

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's that, you know, I'm the victim, so therefore I deserve.

• 1:36:33Joe Rogan?

  Therefore, we're gonna throw society into a wood chipper.

• 1:36:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree with that. I, I want, yeah, again, I, I'm busy enough that I don't have to spend a lot of time worrying about what other people are doing. At the same time, I don't need to play along, right?

• 1:36:47Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  With, with your, your imaginings. And so I think that's where it started to, once it started to impact other people, you know, like a, a kid who loses a race because now suddenly she's racing against a dude.

• 1:36:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly. Nine hundred medals lost during this time.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:37:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Nine hundred medals that would have gone to biological females that were won by biological males because of this crazy ideology over the last few years. And so think about how many girls lost out on scholarships, think about how many girls just like felt fucked over by the system. Where you've got a guy in the fucking locker room with his dick hanging out, and you're supposed to pretend that that's a woman.

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:29Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  And then, God forbid, you go against the idea, and you know, a handful of people did, and you know, spent a lot of time getting pilloried for it, but.

• 1:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Riley Gaines.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  Riley Gaines, yeah.

• 1:37:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:41Speaker 02

  Good example.

• 1:37:42Joe Rogan?

  You see people attacking her all the time online, and it's just wild.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  I think it's dying down a little bit. I think we hit that top, and then I think it's coming back down to where people are saying enough is enough. Again, with the idea that, look, you want to do that, you want to pretend that you can, you know, you want to believe that a dude can have a baby, fine, you do that. I don't need to pretend with you. I don't, I'm not going to infringe on your thinking that that's the case, you know, and yes, you need some protections in place for people, of course you do, right? But at a certain point, I kind of lost track. It used to be that you had gay dudes and you had lesbians, right? That was, that was kind of it, right? You had guys that liked guys, and you had girls that liked girls, and you're fine.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  We made progress in that regard, where, you know, people that used to have to hide that, they don't have to hide that anymore.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:38:32Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty much accepted by society, for the most part.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:36Joe Rogan?

  And then they're trying the same thing with this, and it's like, no, this is a different thing, and a lot of the gays, they don't want this in their group. They're like, no, this is a different thing, this is, this is not your sexual orientation, you're attracted to men. This is an identity thing, this is a totally different thing that you're dealing with. And then you also have to factor in, as uncomfortable as this is for people, you have to factor in perverts, who all of a sudden can just say, "I'm a woman," and wear a dress, and now they can enter into women's spaces, and you can't stop them, and that's, that's real, man, that's real. That's not discounting actual trans people, or discounting gay people or lesbians, it's not. You, but you're opening the door for fucking sexual predators.

• 1:39:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  People who are out of their fucking minds, man.

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  And you also had, one of the things I never. Quite figured out was you also have the you have the parent who's like they've got a a three year old son who says I'd like to play with the dolls and then suddenly the mother's the enabler, right?

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  And they want to get him on hormone blockers.

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, and and you're thinking like, how about you just let the kid be a kid? You know, maybe tomorrow they want to play football, maybe the next day they want to do interpretive dance, maybe the following day they want to play baseball. Let the fucking kids grow up in a certain way without trying to impose.

• 1:39:51Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  You know, this this this bizarreness on them.

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, they do it because they want that kid to be whatever.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:58Joe Rogan?

  Whatever it is, well, they want him to be queer, they want him to be trans. For them, it makes them look more progressive. And they they have their kid like a fucking flag they plant in their lawn and it's gross. But there's a lot of these pathological monsters that happen to be parents. They're just nuts.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, everybody, anybody gets a license to be a parent. It's like boat drivers. The other day we were out on the lake in a boat and it was close to 4th of July and I realized, really, anybody, anybody can.

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You don't even have to have a driver's license.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  No, you don't, you don't have to do a breathalyzer, I mean, you should, and we've got, you know, sheriffs out there trying to stop people from drinking.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  They bust people drinking.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  Boating, but yeah.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  But they do it.

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:37Joe Rogan?

  They do it all the time. It freaks me out.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's it's bizarre because the same people would not like say, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, shotgun 12 cores and then drive my car. But goddamn it, they'll be happy to get behind that boat and take off and you think. And so we've got, you know, our, our, our boys have started driving the boat on their own, taking their friends out and that sort of thing. And it's, you know, it's actually more nerve wracking when they head out on the lake.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  Than it is when they get in their car and drive somewhere, right? Because of just like the craziness that goes on, so. Yeah, I watched, I watched our, one of our boys head off in the boat. He had like, there were like three dudes and seven girls on there. It was his dream, right? This is, he was heading off to the lake, they were gonna go cliff jumping and some surfing and everything. And I watched him go and I said, God bless you, but I was inside, I was, I was so goddamn nervous, right?

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  So, anyway, they did, they did fine.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  People think they're invulnerable when they're young too, which is also a problem. You don't think anything's gonna happen, cuz nothing's happened yet.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:38Joe Rogan?

  You haven't had enough, like, severe injuries. Where you go, oh, I'm vulnerable as shit. This is dangerous. Like, people can die.

• 1:41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  You need to see it.

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  They go bridge jumping, you know, they'll climb up to the top of a bridge. Jump off and it's just like, oh my god.

• 1:41:53Joe Rogan?

  I know a girl did that and she's fucked for the rest of her life. Her back was ruined.

• 1:41:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  She fell funny and hit her ass in the water and it destroyed her spine.

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like, I mean, you get higher up there and it's, it's.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  It's like hitting concrete.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And then, and if you, if you over-rotate or you under-rotate or whatever. But, yeah, you know, there's a balance, right? Because with, with, with the boys in, in particular. You don't wanna take away that risk-taking element, right? You want them to take risk, right? But, so, there's a, there's a fine line of saying, no, don't do that, that's dangerous. Whether they're doing that or they're, they're going to the dirt track or whatever they're doing. And you think, okay, how do you balance that out? Be smart, you know, but I don't wanna, I don't wanna stop you from taking risks, if that makes sense.

• 1:42:37Joe Rogan?

  No, it does make sense. Listen, you're talking to someone who spent the majority of my teenage years fighting. You know, with no health insurance. So, like, I'm not, I'm, I'm talking from a position of not being one of the wisest people.

• 1:42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  But I was never into, like, jumping off of things. And I didn't wanna ski. I didn't wanna do any of that because I knew how vulnerable I was.

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:00Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy.

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  Which is crazy because you're, you're, you're risking getting clocked every, every time you go out to fight.

• 1:43:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm getting clocked in the head all the time in the gym. Like, constantly getting kicked and punched and.

• 1:43:11Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:43:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But I realized, like, hey, I don't wanna ski. I could ruin my knees.

• 1:43:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  I might, I might fracture a rib there. I don't wanna do that.

• 1:43:22Joe Rogan?

  I just wanted to take as few risks outside of this one risky thing as possible. And I think a lot of kids don't have enough, like, controlled risks. So then they start wanting to jump dirt bikes.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  You wind up breaking every fucking bone in your body.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, our youngest boys, yeah, yeah. Happy Birthday Mugsy, but he uh, uh, went over his uh, his bike uh, uh, you know, wearing a helmet, very good helmet. Uh, still banged his head, right? This was just a couple of days ago. So I'm on the road and I'm like, okay, keep him up. Don't, you know.

• 1:43:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, make sure he's conscious.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Make sure he's good. And uh, so anyway, it, it, yeah, but again, I say, I don't want to, then when I talk to him, I don't want to say, well, you shouldn't have done that. You know, you, you want to say, okay, you're, you're good. Um.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Now you know.

• 1:44:07Speaker 02

  Do you know what you did wrong? And he's like, yeah, you know, I didn't get the back wheel on the, yeah. It's like, okay. But anyway, that's, that's parenting. Um.

• 1:44:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, you know, you don't want to completely shelter your child, but you don't want him to expose to unnecessary risks. But it's like, there's this like, there's this balance that you have to achieve. It's really hard. It's cause you don't want a sheltered child that's scared to take any risks at all.

• 1:44:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. We're sending the, the oldest one is off to university uh, in a couple of weeks.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  Going down to uh, Ole Miss. Um, and uh, and yeah, you're right. I mean, that's a, you know, that's a big, it's a big step, right? So he's going down, he's been down there a couple of times already. He's met some, some of the folks down there. He's had a good time, you know, some of the guys taking him out to the bars and, and uh, you know, and, and so you, you, at a certain point, you lose control of him, right? And so all you can do uh, up to a certain age is just hope you've set the compass right.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to set the compass right. And at a certain point in time, you have to realize that's an individual human being that you don't have control over anymore. And one of the worst things that parents do is they try to control their kids when they're in their thirties and forties. Like they, they still treat them like they're children. Like, you're just going to have a resentful person. Like they don't want you to be the boss of them when they're thirty fucking years old, you know?

• 1:45:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, or, or honestly twenties. They just, you know, they, I think they still, they want to know that there's a place they can go. Or there's someone they can talk to.

• 1:45:34Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:45:34Speaker 02

  Or advice they can get.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  But yeah, at a certain point, you just, and I think, you know, who knows what, what that point is. I mean, it's, it, it changes. I think kids seem to be growing up a lot quicker now.

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's because of the internet, right? There's so much information comes their way and. Yeah, it's it's and then we're, you know, we're at the precipice of artificial general superintelligence, which is gonna bust out of its cage if it hasn't already. I mean, there's real good arguments that it's already done it. And we're not aware of it yet because it hasn't assumed control of things. It hasn't acted in a way, it's not, it doesn't have a physical form where it can move around yet.

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  Right. We're definitely moving in that direction. I think we're probably already there. Uh, we're just unaware of it, but I think people at the cutting edge. I think, um, but yeah, we went from, um, a Rogan show that was done by AI to, uh, now you can't swing a dead cat on the internet without hitting Rogan babies, right?

• 1:46:32Joe Rogan?

  Those babies are hilarious. Theo Von is the best one.

• 1:46:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Theo Von's a great baby.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  I will say, any, anytime, you know, and I don't, I don't spend a lot of time digging through things like that, but anytime I see, uh, the baby episodes with you and Theo, I'm like, yeah, gotta watch this son of a bitch. Then I send it to the boys.

• 1:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  Oh, God. Um, and they, but they don't, there's no authorization. You have no control.

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Right. No, there's no, it's just the Wild West right now. And it's happening so fast. You know, we had, um, um, who was this showing us the Skywalker thing? Was it Joe DeRosa? Yeah. Yeah. So my friend Joe DeRosa was showing us this, uh, they're doing Star Wars AI, like fan-created AI scenes of stuff that they wanted to happen.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  And it looks better than the actual Star Wars.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  And it's young Luke Skywalker. It's Mark Hamill from like Star Wars one. Like that, like, look at this. Watch this. Look how incredible this is. And look at this. That's AI.

• 1:47:37Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is nuts, man. I mean, this is like better quality than the original Star Wars itself. And it's his voice, it's his face, it's all perfectly synced. It looks incredible. Like, look at this.

• 1:47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, uh, we, uh, my company does some work for, uh, the entertainment industry for the movie, movie business. And I was out there talking to one of the studios, so it'll remain nameless, uh, not that long ago. And this is a massive issue for them. Look, they're, they're seeing full scripts out there, right? Written by AI for some of their franchise, uh, you know, uh, movies and characters. And they're seeing, you know, their, their animators, uh, their writers, all these people are, are, you know, obviously worried and they're convinced that they're, you know, about to be made, uh, useless.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  And they're right.

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  And they're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause what they're, they're finding, they're just what you're looking at here. They're finding, you know, but there's, there's places where they're dumping full-length scripts and, and, and, you know, pieces of movies out there and, and it's, you know, it, it, it's gonna upend, much like whatever Netflix and the others did with it, with the television market, it's gonna upend the whole industry.

• 1:48:48Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent. There's no way around it at this point. If someone can make something like this, the Skywalker stories thing, I mean, this is just a person doing this with an AI video generator. Again, you just do it through prompts. I mean,

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or you say to yourself, okay, um, I wanna write a, a scripted TV series. Uh, what am I gonna write about? You spend twenty minutes feeding some ideas into whatever. Uh, I forget what the, the, the, aside from ChatGPT, there's, there's a bunch of them out there. And, uh, it will feed back to you in short order, the entire show map, right? It'll give you all the characters, it'll give you a character map, it'll give you pitch lines, it'll give you, uh, episode plots. It's, it's remarkable. And it means all those people who work in Hollywood writing, right? Or wherever they're based, writing shows or coming up with, with, uh, pilots and they're, they're superfluous to the whole business now.

• 1:49:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's, and not just that, it's also music.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, Drake had a song that was a hit Drake song that came out that wasn't him at all. It was all done by AI. And they could just kinda guess. What people like and you could just formulate what the big hits were. What's what's what's similar, what's common, what are the phrases? What are people, what's catchy?

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  What's what? Yeah, exactly. Give me the last six songs. The commonalities that made them successful.

• 1:50:15Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  Fine, give me that. Is Drake still beefing with Kendrick Lamar? Or is that over? I can't keep track.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  He had to back off of that.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, I don't know. That's the sort of question that we need to be asking.

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  It's different people have different perspectives. Some people think Drake won. Some people think Kendrick won. I don't really give a fuck. Quite honestly. I'm not a fan of those kind of beefs. But they do make some good songs sometimes. A beef does, you know, like Ether with Nas. That was a good fucking song. There's.

• 1:50:46Speaker 02

  I was about to nod like I knew what the hell you were talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, Ether with Nas, yeah.

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  You don't know that song.

• 1:50:52Speaker 02

  Young gravy, a little gravy.

• 1:50:54Joe Rogan?

  There's a thing that's gonna happen within our lifetime where all creativity is going to be suspect. Because you're you're not going to be able to know unless someone's doing something off the cuff. Like live in front of you. You're not going to be able to know whether or not something's AI generated anymore. Like they have AI generated stand up comedy now. That's it's not great, but it's okay. You know, where you have a guy on stage, the audience is fake, they're laughing. What he's saying is comedic. The timing is pretty similar to comedy. It's nuts, man. And it's this is, by the way. Impossible three years ago, probably impossible two years ago. Probably impossible a year ago. Now.

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  Ubiquitous. It's everywhere. So like, where does this go? And what does five years from now look like? We're just guessing.

• 1:51:47Speaker 02

  Well, in terms of driving narratives or telling stories or getting people to think a certain way. I mean, think about how how simple that is now from a hostile element, right? Like if I'm working Russian propaganda for the FSB. How easy is it now for me to create a clip? Of of whatever, let's take a hot topic, right? And suddenly you you've created a clip where. Trump is talking about, you know, being in the Epstein files or, um, you know, somebody around Biden's circle is talking about how they covered up his money. People will see that, they'll release it, right? People will see it, they're not going to necessarily question whether it's, because that's not how people work, right?

• 1:52:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  They see shit on the internet and they go, oh yeah, I'm gonna send that to my buddy. And, yeah, you got some people who, who might be more cynical than others, but for the most part, people just eat that shit up. And so.

• 1:52:36Joe Rogan?

  Which is also, shows you the incompetence of the government, they released that video from the cell that's got two minutes and 53 seconds removed, like, because these aren't the best people in the world that are doing that.

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  No, no, and that's a, that, I mean, there's, yeah, the, you could argue that, the, on the hostile side, on the, on the, the, whatever you want to call them, hackers or, or people on the cutting edge of doing things and using this technology for nefarious purposes, they, they, you know, I'm not saying the government doesn't have good quality people doing it, but you tend to have, you know, cutting edge folks on, on the, on the hostile team.

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're not going to be working for the State Department.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:53:15Joe Rogan?

  They're, they're gonna make money other ways.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:17Joe Rogan?

  I gotta pee real bad. Let's take a little break.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my bad.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  And we'll come back.

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Right back, folks. Um, maybe it's a joke, but did you see that, I sent you the Lockheed Martin thing, right? I also sent you the thing that I was looking for earlier, which is, uh, I think, I believe he's a senator that's reading off the most ridiculous tweets from the, the CEO, former CEO of NPR.

• 1:53:40Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  Which senator is that, do you know?

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Hold on, I can find out. Eric Schmidt? Yes. Missouri? That's who it is. Okay, yeah, Senator from Missouri.

• 1:53:54Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:53:55Joe Rogan?

  Watch this, this is, this is fun. This is just a fun one.

• 1:54:00Speaker 05

  To maybe read some of the craziest tweets from Catherine Marr, who is the CEO. Put my glasses on here. I'm so done with late-stage capitalism. America is addicted to white supremacy. I do wish Hillary wouldn't use the language of "boy and girl." It's a racing language for non-binary people. Lots of jokes about leaving the US, and I get it. But as someone with cis-white mobility privilege, I'm thinking I'm staying and investing in ridding ourselves of the specter of tyranny. Never underestimate the ability of white people to center ourselves. White silence is complicity. I'm white, so my hair doesn't automatically carry with it the freight of my race, work, and everyone else's encoded assumptions.

• 1:54:41Speaker 05

  I'm grateful to those who have pointed out my phrasing could be understood as "trans erasure." Horses inspire awe. Horses inspire awe and foster a sense of identity. More kids should have access to these incredible animals, but most horse faces are white spaces.

• 1:55:00Joe Rogan?

  Horse faces are white spaces. It keeps going.

• 1:55:04Speaker 02

  I love the music. The music is good. Whoever came up with that soundtrack is good.

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  God, Christ. Yeah. So, the thing that I sent you, the Lockheed Martin thing, is people are claiming, it's again, a lot of horse shit, who fucking knows, that Lockheed Martin created that Tic Tac and that there's been three different versions of it. I sent you that, right?

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  Who are the people claiming?

• 1:55:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So, the idea is, this is what I wanted to ask you about. So, this is a congressman who says this. Congressman Eric Burleson dropped the bombshell evidence that Lockheed Martin has developed three generations of Tic Tac UFO technology. Is that real, though? Did he say that? Or is this just a fucking tweet?

• 1:55:49Speaker 03

  Quote is right there. "I had two people come to me..."

• 1:55:51Joe Rogan?

  I understand that, but did he actually say that? Or is that just a quote on Twitter?

• 1:55:55Speaker 03

  I believe he said that. I saw other people say it, too.

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. So, he says, "I had two people come to me that say that the Tic Tac is Lockheed Martin creation. The latest person came to me, says he has video of the first, second, and third iteration of the Tic Tac." Burleson revealed. This isn't speculation. This is a congressman with direct access to classified information. The implications are staggering. Lockheed Martin allegedly discovered a revolutionary new propulsion system decade, uh, that and has been secretly developing it for decades, according to Burleson's source. They used it in the first iteration, which was the Tic Tac. They have an intermediary one that they are, that they are more advanced with. And then now they're putting it inside what looks like conventional so that it's not obvious.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:56:44Joe Rogan?

  What do you think about?

• 1:56:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on all that. Um, look, there's some, it's interesting. If you scroll back down, there's an interesting, you know, when you start to, there you go, dissecting this. He says, I've had two people come to me, let's say the Tic Tac's a Lockheed Martin creation. Now, he doesn't say who those two people are.

• 1:57:00Joe Rogan?

  I've had two people come to me that said they had sex with Bigfoot.

• 1:57:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. I did. Um, but you've got, then it says, this isn't speculation. This is a congressman with direct access to classified information, which is the implication that, well, the people that came to him with this have access to classified information, which is un, you know, there's no connection there. So they're taking a data point and another data point and they're drawing a line between the two of them.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  And saying, yes, he's getting this from classified.

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  Verifying it.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, and also the next part, has been secretly developing it for decades. I'm here to tell you that if Lockheed Martin was developing something for decades, a new form of propulsion, um, uh, maybe I'm a just a cynical son of a bitch, but I don't think they'd be keeping it secret for all this time. I don't think it would have been able to be kept secret because somebody would have opened their yap or the Chinese would have gotten their hands on it, um, in, in, in their economic and intel espionage efforts. So I don't know. This strikes me as, and then I've got video of it. Okay. Well, how about you show us the goddamn video?

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:58:03Speaker 02

  It's always the same thing.

• 1:58:04Joe Rogan?

  It's always the same thing. It's always like, I've seen video. Well, fucking show me, bitch.

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:08Joe Rogan?

  And then here's the problem. The more time they wait, the more it's Luke Skywalker shit. Like, you're gonna show me something. How the hell do I know what's real anymore?

• 1:58:17Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:58:17Joe Rogan?

  We're six months away from never knowing.

• 1:58:19Speaker 02

  Right, right. That, that. This is exactly right, and that's the problem. And there, look, we, I think we've talked about this before. There are companies out there, private companies that are working, trying to figure out, how do you get ahead of the curve of deep fakes, right? And AI-generated material. And it is really difficult, right? It is, it's, and it's, it's lagging that, that, that defensive capabilities lagging behind, right? The offensive potential for AI-generated material. So, you know, again, I agree with it. Someone's gonna show this and, or it's gonna be grainy, blurry, and going like, see, see, there it is, right?

• 1:58:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I had a guy recently come to me with a bunch of videos that he needed me to look at, and every one of them was fucking blurry. And I'm like, I'm not interested in this.

• 1:58:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:59Joe Rogan?

  This doesn't mean anything to me.

• 1:59:01Speaker 02

  Every time, you, you know, you got another hearing up on Capitol Hill, it's always the same. I, you know, I can't talk about it. I've seen this shit, but it's in a skiff, and I can't, you know, it's very sensitive. And, you know, it kind of goes back to, you know, people getting in front of the camera and saying, I've seen evidence, but I can't tell you about it. You're just gonna have to trust me. So, I, I don't, I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a, I'm not a buyer necessarily. If the congressman wants to make a point of this, then he needs to be more clear on this, right?

• 1:59:30Joe Rogan?

  Right. And when people say things like that, and then nothing comes of it, it makes you more and more inclined to believe it's all bullshit.

• 1:59:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:59:37Joe Rogan?

  Whereas, that's where I am. So I'm like, I, I think the possibility of alien life, of course. Yeah, of course. There's so many planets, so many stars, and the idea that we're alone seems crazy. That seems more unlikely. But I don't know what's real. When people describe things and talk about things, and things are moving underwater at 500 knots, okay, show me.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  Show me. Like, I, I, I can't anymore. I can't respond. I can't get excited.

• 2:00:07Speaker 02

  No, I, I, I agree. You know, and sure, yeah, everybody's chasing, just like they're chasing the, you know, better battery. Everybody's chasing a new form of propulsion, right? I mean, that's a, that's a leading part of what, what governments are spending their money on if they have the resources to do it. So, yeah, there's a national security issue there. And you would think that the congressman then would say, oh, okay. Maybe if you're telling me this, I'm not gonna go out in public and say it, right? Maybe, maybe if we're talking about this, maybe I shouldn't be talking about what Lockheed Martin is doing and obviously working hard if it's correct to keep it secret because that's a national security issue. So what the hell is he doing here? I don't know. It just, it all sounds, you know, like, you know, a sack of bullshit.

• 2:00:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also like, the problem is, a lot of these politicians, it's kind of a form of entertainment in a lot of a way. Because they're trying to get attention. It's like, they're almost like reality stars, right? They're trying to do something outrageous to get attention and that'll help them get elected. That'll get the constituents on their side and they're gonna, I'm gonna be the guy that releases all this information. Oh, let's vote for Bob.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  I'm the UFO congressman.

• 2:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's like, you, you're not producing anything. Show me, tell me, or shut the fuck up.

• 2:01:21Speaker 02

  Shut the fuck up. Yeah, I, I, I agree and it does, I, you know, I'm, I'm approached maybe once a month about doing a new series, you know, focused on UFOs. And my point is always the same, which is, like, what, what are we gonna talk about? What are you gonna show that's gonna be something new? That maybe people learn something about? And, and it's all, it's, it's always the same. And look, I'm not saying, again, I agree with it. There's definitely stuff out there, right? We've explored, you know, like, a drop of water in a glass of the universe, right? So, there's stuff out there. I've just, I, I, I approach it all from a skeptical point of view.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think you have to because there's also unfortunately a market in talking about these things. And there's a lot of grifters out there that have made a career out of telling you they know. I have the information, it's been brought to me and I'm going to release it. And it's like Lucy and Charlie Brown with that goddamn football. Charlie never gets to kick that football. Like, this is the time. This is it.

• 2:02:19Speaker 02

  He never has, has he?

• 2:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Never has.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Never has.

• 2:02:21Joe Rogan?

  Every time he goes to kick that football, that bitch just pulls it away from him and he goes flying up in the air.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  Damn it. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he needed to identify as trans. Then she give him a break. Um, I don't know where I came up with that one. Oh, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get lambasted for that.

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna come for you.

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  Oh, they're gonna come for me. I know.

• 2:02:38Joe Rogan?

  You reached on that one.

• 2:02:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, I, I want there to be some information that's real. And I think there are, like, Commander David Fravor's depictions and his descriptions of what happened, and there's other fighter pilots who are involved. They have video evidence.

• 2:02:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:52Joe Rogan?

  That's compelling.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:53Joe Rogan?

  What is that? What does it mean? What is it doing? How is something able to go from 50,000 feet above sea level to zero so quickly? Like, what is that?

• 2:03:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, I agree. That's, and we've talked about that. That's, that's one of the few things that I think is, is legit, right, out there and needs, and needs further investigation. Again, you have to pick and choose. Is there a reason to have a identification program in the Pentagon? Of course, goddamn, there is. It's a national security issue. Figure out what the hell's flying around up there, right?

• 2:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Right. If it's real.

• 2:03:19Speaker 02

  If it's real, and did the Chinese come up with a new form of propulsion, right? And if they did, they undoubtedly stole it from Lockheed Martin. Um, there was just a, because there's never, you can never do one of these episodes without me kicking the Chinese Communist Party in the ass. But, uh, they just finished, um, the sentencing for a, uh, an American-Chinese citizen. This is a fascinating case.

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Another one?

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, people always roll their eyes when I talk about Chinese espionage, but I, so I always love to highlight, you know, an example.

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  They shouldn't roll their eyes.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  They shouldn't, but they do.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  You want to talk about evidence?

• 2:03:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  There's so, that's not UFOs, bro.

• 2:03:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, oh, no, it's true. Um, so this guy, um, Chen Guang Gong is his name. He's like, I don't know, 60 years old. Has been sentenced, or I think he's awaiting sentencing. He's out free, believe it or not, he's free on bail right now. And so he went to work in 23, because this stuff has been sealed for quite some time, but he went to work in 23 for some California-based company that was contracted with the Pentagon. And he was only there for a month. And during the course of that month that he was there, he downloaded some 3,600 files or so on the technology that this company develops, on behalf of the Pentagon, related to sensors.

• 2:04:40Speaker 02

  Sensors that are very sensitive information that used to detect nuclear missile launches, used to detect and track hypersonic and ballistic missiles, used to, for fighter jets to track incoming missiles, heat-seeking missiles. So it's very, you know, classified material. He downloaded during the course of his, you know, four weeks there, downloaded all these files onto his personal storage devices. And they couldn't find all the hard drives that he had taken with all this information. They've gone missing somehow. So, as it turns

• 2:05:20Speaker 02

  out, the amazing part about this story is, he accepted a job during the course of his brief period of time with this California company, working on these sensors. He accepted with a competitor, right? So they were gonna hire him. But ever since like 2014, when he's been working for US companies, he's, apparently, nobody gives a shit. Nobody's doing any due diligence. Nobody's doing any background investigations. From 2014 on, he's been applying to the Chinese Communist Party for what they call talent programs. The Chinese government puts out these, these proposals, you know, "Hey, send us, send us, you know, your information. If you're working on, you know, information of interest",

• 2:06:03Speaker 02

  they call them talent programs, and they'll provide funding to people who get their applications accepted. Well, of course, what the Chinese Communist Party is doing is they're fishing for people with access, right? And then, you know, you'll put in a saying, "I'm working on the following. I think it could be really interesting." And this guy did that. He took several trips to China. He applied for funding for these talent programs from the, which is essentially the Chinese Communist Party. He stated in emails that he's, you know, he thinks it could be really beneficial to the Chinese military, some of the work that he's doing. And so from 2014 on, he's been doing this, and people are still hiring the guy. And, yeah, it's incredible. So now he's out on almost $2 million bail. I don't know how they're allowing him to roam around free.

• 2:06:44Speaker 02

  Um, but it's just another example, I guess is what I'm saying of, you know, what happens out there and why people need to be aware, why companies that are engaged in anything almost, because the Chinese party's interested in everything. But you see this and you think, okay, you know, I get it. The guy was stealing information. But then you look and you go, how the fuck did he keep on doing this all these years? How did he, how was he? You go from a company and get hired by another company and they were obviously excited by his expertise, but nobody bothered to dig into it, right? And that's always how, you know, businesses for the most part get fucked is they,

• 2:07:24Speaker 02

  they, they don't have a proactive mindset, right? They're not, they're not thinking about that when they're hiring somebody. They're not thinking, oh, I'll bet, you know, there's a hostile state-sponsored entity out there that'd like to steal our information.

• 2:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, so isn't that also part of the problem with having these administrations that are only in office for four years? So like they have all their problems that they have to deal with. They get in, they're basically starting the job anew. And then you've got these companies out there that are hiring Chinese nationals and you don't even know it.

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're not even aware. There's no way you could pay attention to all of it. And the people that are running the companies, all they want to do is get that company off the ground, start making a lot of money.

• 2:08:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, get a government contract.

• 2:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:05Speaker 02

  Uh, now, you know, theoretically, they're supposed to, you know, they're supposed to be going through a variety of security processes, um, about, you know, the dissemination of information, who's got access to it and all these things. But clearly it doesn't, it's not, it's not working all that well. Uh, anyway, so that's, that's the thing. And then apparently the, uh, news just broke that, that, uh, there was a breach. And, uh, I think it was Microsoft's SharePoint, um, software that attacked the Department of Energy. Um, and it was Chinese hackers. Again, this is just the past, you know, 12 hours or so. And they were going after, among other organizations and agencies, you know, the

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  group that's responsible for maintaining our nuclear stockpile, which is sits inside the Department of Energy. So it's the National Nuclear Security Administration, something like that. So, yeah, it's, I guess, I always like to point out that it's a hostile world out there. And going back to your point, you need to, you know, you need to have organizations that are out there trying to, um, you know, secure, you know, the, the, the national security interests of America. And so, yeah, that sounds like I'm

• 2:09:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the idea that you don't is crazy.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  That's so naive.

• 2:09:20Speaker 02

  Well, it's the idea that everybody, if we just would all get along, right? Um, it's all gonna work out fine. And, you know, the, the world's really messy. It's ugly. I mean, we, we can see that. And what are you talking about the Middle East right now, which is a mess? Um, you're looking at the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Um, you know, there's, there's just, there's just a lot of shit that happens out there. And so you do need these organizations. Now, again, you know, we talked about this, you need them, you need them to be as transparent as they can be and still be operationally efficient, right? But, yeah, yeah, Middle East, that's a fucked up situation.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:57Joe Rogan?

  So, what do we know about how much damage was done by those bunker buster bombs? I saw some video, and again, I don't know what's real, but it looked insane, where they were reviewing the damage and they were kind of climbing into this giant canyon that was created by these bunker busters?

• 2:10:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, that's a, it's a really interesting point. And I think, you know, we talked about, uh, earlier about how you can get out over your skis. Tulsi Gabbard probably did it. And Pam Bondi about the Epstein files and everything. And I think, I think, um, the Trump administration got out, you know, talking about, oh, completely obliterated all three sites.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:37Speaker 02

  Isfahan and the Tans and Fordo.

• 2:10:41Speaker 02

  And you know what, wait for the battle damage assessments to come in with credible intelligence, right? Just say, "We've done this, we're assessing," how about that, right? Just keep it like that, prevent yourself from having to then walk the dog back, right? Right. So they didn't, they came out and said, "We've completely obliterated these sites." What appears to be now coming from some of these assessments, at least the early assessments, is that they did significant damage to one of the sites, Fordo. And then the other two sites, they did some damage, but that's where it's questionable. And these are coming from Israeli and US intelligence. And honestly, when it comes to Iran, sometimes we rely very heavily on what the Israelis have because their intel tends to be a little bit better.

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  I mean, it's their existential threat, so they've spent decades developing sources, right? And so I think, did we destroy all three? No, absolutely not, we didn't. Did we degrade their ability to enrich uranium in the short term? Yeah, but does that short term mean, you know, three months, six months? I think that's kind of where they appear to be at. They don't know, there's still questions, and the Israelis think that they actually did manage to keep stockpile of some of the enriched uranium that was buried way down inside of, I think it was Isfahan, the site.

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  And so it was successful to a degree, right?

• 2:12:13Speaker 02

  But not to the degree that it was discussed early on and what they're still saying, right? So I think that's, you know, and that's a realistic approach. You know, I think the military was fairly clear in some of their scenarios that they were drawing up prior to this, that, you know, we don't have high confidence that we can completely destroy these sites, right? And, but, you know, if they've destroyed and damaged a large number of centrifuges, well, that takes time to replace, right? And so... You know, what I think what's going to happen is the regime, and I think they're already doing it, they're going to disperse all of their efforts, right? They're not going to stop trying to enrich uranium. They're not going to stop this drive towards a nuclear weapon, because now in particular, I think they view it as, you know, that's our, that's

• 2:12:58Speaker 02

  our only leverage going down the road. So they're going to disperse it to smaller sites, going to make it more difficult to, you know, create a, a single-strike scenario where you take it out for the most part. And I think that's, that's where we're going with it. But, look, the Israelis during the course of their 12 days or so, they degraded the missile capabilities, which was a big part of what they wanted to do, significantly. Now, depending on who you talk to, that significantly is like 40% destruction of, of launchers and, and missile stockpiles to 50%. That's a lot, you know, but again, they still have the ability to make them, and they still will. So we've kind of, we've kind of kicked the

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  can down the road, right? We've, we've bought some time in terms of, okay, they're not going to get to a breakout point, you know, next week, but we haven't really solved the problem, right? And you don't solve the problem unless the regime goes away, you know, and then people talk about regime change and then everybody gets all squirrely. So, you know, but you're going to have the same problem. They, they've already said they are going to continue to arm their proxies, right? And there've already been weapons shipments that have been interdicted, going to the Houthis, going to Hezbollah, right? That process of them getting weapons to their proxies is more difficult in part because, you know,

• 2:14:23Speaker 02

  Syria's fallen, and the Syrian government is, you know, it doesn't like Iran, the, the new one, the Islamist government that's there doesn't like Iran. So, so they're shutting down some of that traditional routes that they use to move weapons back and forth and other resources. But they're going to keep, keep doing it. They're going to keep trying. So we've kind of, you know, again, you know, it's, it's putting lipstick on a pig. We, we've created a better situation in the short term, but it doesn't solve the problem.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Were you shocked that we intervened? That we?

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  Bombed their nuclear sites?

• 2:14:56Speaker 02

  No, by the time we'd gotten a few days into what the Israelis were doing, it looked like there was really very little option. We were gonna have to go in and do that, because the Israelis did not have the ability to do that. Right? They, they were, there are operations, again, like, people can argue about, eh, they should have done it, but from an operational perspective, it was pretty damn impressive. Right? Taking out some of their military leadership, taking out some of those nuclear program managers, directors, scientists, was really impressive.

• 2:15:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, one of the things that was so impressive was when they tricked them with a fake phone call. Everybody get together in the bunker, and then they blew the bunker up.

• 2:15:33Speaker 02

  Yep. I mean, it shows the depth of their intel capabilities. Because, again, they've been doing this for years because it's an existential goddamn threat. And so that's their target, right? We've got, as in the US, you know, you know, our intel operations are focused on a lot of different things. Right?

• 2:15:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:15:50Speaker 02

  For the Israelis, for the most part, it's Iran. You know, yes, it's, you know, subsets are Hezbollah, Houthis and Hamas and all that. But those are, you know, those things wouldn't exist without Iranian support and backing. So their focus over the years has been, how do we develop sources? How do we create access, you know, to, so, you know, and they, so when the time comes, they pull out their playbook and they open it up and go, let's do this. And they just push the button, right? And they're able to accomplish these things. So, but it does show their capabilities. They didn't have the munitions, so they don't have these bunker busters to penetrate and get down, you know, to the Tans or wherever. So it, it, it did, it wasn't a surprise that we did it.

• 2:16:33Speaker 02

  Um, again, I just think we should be, and I suspect the Pentagon, you know, felt like we should have been more circumspect in how we described the success of it. Now, the Foreign Minister from Iran's come out the past couple of days, right? And he said, oh, you, you know, serious damage, we've had to stop all uranium enrichment. People go, oh, look, you know? And even the White House has said, well, see, you know, we've, we've, you know, significantly damaged all their enrichment capabilities. Okay, if you believe what the goddamn Iranian Foreign Minister says, right? But he's a spokesman for the mullahs and for the IRGC. Why would you? Yeah, so...

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, why would they be honest about the losses they've taken?

• 2:17:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, so he's pushing a message, right?

• 2:17:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:17:13Speaker 02

  And so, you know, who knows? But I think, I think there's, there's been damage, but not to the degree that we, you know, they, they, they would like to have seen.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  But a lot of people didn't understand, like, why at this point did we do that? Because one of the narratives was that they had the capability of enriching uranium to 90%, where they could, but they, they didn't plan on doing it. They only wanted to have it so that they could use it as leverage.

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, there is no, yeah, there's no civilian purpose for having, you know, 60% enriched uranium. So, um, yes, maybe they thought if we, if we get a stockpile of it, then we're very close because it's an easy lift getting from, well, relatively speaking, getting from 60 to 90% for weapons grade. So, yes, maybe their thought was only we just use it as leverage and we're not actually going to pursue a weapon, but I don't know that you want to, you know, um, you know, you want to make strategic decisions based on the hope that that's the case, right?

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:13Speaker 02

  I think everything else, they'd shown in the past, their obfuscation, their hiding of their program, uh, backing off of, of past agreements. None of that showed that they were earnest negotiators, or they were, that they were honest brokers in, in what that weapons program was like. So, I think, you know, there was, there sounds like there was significant intelligence that came into the, um, uh, Israeli services that said they're fast-tracking this whole effort. And that may have been in part because of the, the, um, the damage done to their proxies, right? So, they may have looked and, and seen, look, Hezbollah's leadership was torn apart, right? Their stockpiles were, were incredibly degraded. Same thing with, with the others.

• 2:18:57Speaker 02

  And so maybe, you know, that was the motivation, perhaps, I'm speculating, for the Iranian regime to say, okay, let's get this done, you know, let's push. If the Israelis picked up on that, then that would, you know, be sufficient justification to say, we gotta act now.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, it's like, we had to get dragged into it.

• 2:19:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  That's where it gets fucked up, because like, one of the things that people voted for with this new administration was no more wars, no more useless wars. And then six months in, we're bombing Iran.

• 2:19:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I'd, look, I'm, I'm not here to argue whether, you know, I know there's a lot of people that, that say, we should not be doing any of this shit, right? We shouldn't be, you know, we shouldn't have been in Iraq, we shouldn't have been in Afghanistan, we shouldn't, you know, gone to Vietnam, we shouldn't have, okay, fine, you know, um, you know, there's a lot of people that, that argue that we should just sit in a bubble, because the world will happen, and it won't impact us, right? Some of the shit that happens outside, you know, US borders, will come back in a massively, you know, a serious way and bite us in the ass. So, you know, could a conflagration out in, in the Middle East, if we don't take any part in it, could it impact US national security? Yeah, it could, so, yeah, but it's a call, I get it, everybody, you know, people are

• 2:20:11Speaker 02

  saying, draw the curtains, and we shouldn't be at war, and we shouldn't be doing any of this, and we shouldn't support Israel, and what are we doing? Um, I, you know, I understand the mindset, I just don't agree with it. But, you know, um, I think, so I, I think the limited participation in terms of, of, of providing the necessary munitions to attack those sites, again, wasn't a surprise, um, don't disagree with the decision. Um, you know, I just think, you know, we need to be pragmatic about how much damage we've done, and what the potential is for us having to revisit this whole issue, right?

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, like, people are so skeptical about motivations now, they're so skeptical about public narratives, like, why we're doing this, and why we're doing that. And I think, one of the things is important, hearing it from a person like yourself, that's spent most of your lifetime involved in this. That there are things like we really shouldn't be meddling in every part of the world. But sometimes we have to meddle.

• 2:21:10Speaker 02

  There are occasions, there are times, again, I, it would be great if we lived in a world where we could just worry about ourselves. But that's not, you know, maybe 250 years ago it was, right? Because it would take the Armada a long time to make its way across the ocean. But, um, you know, shit happens with remarkable speed now. And I just think it's an idealistic idea that you can, you can ignore what's happening and you can just say, we're only focusing on us. We're not gonna, we're not gonna get involved in anything that happens out there. I agree. There's a lot of things that we don't need to be involved in, right? Um, you know, looking back on, looking back on Iraq, looking back on Afghanistan, right? Now Afghanistan should have been a surgical move, right?

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  We should have gone into Tora Bora, blown the shit out of that, tried to get, you know, um, Bin Laden. And then we should have said, look, if you're, if you do this again, meaning if you let your country be a sandbox for the terrorists, we're gonna come back here and do this again. And then we should have gotten the hell out and not worried about, well, maybe we can build a stable federal-style government in Afghanistan, which has never happened. And which we could have looked at what the Soviets said and said, yeah, that's not gonna work. So there's things where we should be learning, or we're not very good at, we should be learning and saying, but my point being is you gotta leave the door open because there are times when shit could go really seriously wrong. And if the Iranians suddenly, you know, if you're wrong about the hope that, well, I think they're just for peaceful purposes because I'm gonna, for some reason, believe, you know, counter to their actions up till now, I'm gonna believe the Iranian regime. So it's peaceful purposes.

• 2:22:38Speaker 02

  And then they announce that they're a member of the nuclear club. You got a shitstorm going on in the Middle East. Because it's not like the, the regional actors, like the Saudis are gonna go, okay, no worries, we're gonna let Iran have the bomb and we're not gonna get it.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:22:50Speaker 02

  Right? Now you're gonna have multiple nuclear armed nations sitting in the Middle East and...

• 2:22:56Joe Rogan?

  At odds with each other.

• 2:22:57Speaker 02

  At odds with each other. And I don't know that that's a really good scenario. Because you're inching closer to, you know, use of a tactical nuclear weapon. Like, like, you know, Putin's already, and his, his moronic puppet, Medvedev, you know, keeps rattling the nuclear sable. Well, remember, we'll use the, use a tactical nuke, maybe.

• 2:23:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, you start getting closer to that, and that's a real problem. So I think there are times when you gotta, you gotta step in, in an intelligent way, but you gotta be pragmatic about what that means. And so what I'm saying about with Iran is, we didn't really solve anything, right? And nothing will get solved. The Iranian population isn't gonna have a better life until there's a change in that regime. I'm not advocating regime change unless it comes from inside Iran, right? And that's what you would, you'd like to think, maybe at some point they rise up and say, fuck it, enough's enough, right? Yeah, you know, but that hasn't happened, and despite people hoping it would happen.

• 2:23:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's, um, it's very, it gives people a lot of anxiety when we think about all the possibilities of all over the world, all the different things that are happening, whether it's Ukraine and Russia, Iran and Israel. It's like, it's constant. What's going on in Gaza? It's like, everything is, it's just like this constant feed of doom that, you know, if you're paying attention, and you kind of have to pay attention a little, because it is kind of crazy, and it could, it could affect your life.

• 2:24:27Speaker 02

  Which is, I think, why, why we're so quick to wanna, you know, glom onto what's happening with Epstein, or what's happening with the, you know, the intel assessment, because it, it takes away the focus from, you know, there's shit happening in the world, you know, that could create bigger conflict, right? Could drag us into something, something bigger. Look, the European Union is, they're heavily focused on what's going on with Russia, because they're sitting on the border, right? And so, you know, right now, Putin, he has no interest in peace, right? He thinks he's still kind of winning, right? And there's this hope that, well, we think the Russian economy's about to crumble. It doesn't look that way. I don't think it's going to crumble. So, but I mean, my point being is that the EU looks at it from a different perspective than the US does. Now, I think one of the

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  things that Trump's done very well is to get the EU to focus more of their own resources on this. That's a great move, right? And people should be able to say, yeah, whether they're Democrat or Republican, yeah, makes sense. Focus more on it, right? It's, it's in your backyard. And so I think that's, that's a good step from this administration. They should be talking about it more. But does that mean we should back off entirely? Well, again, you know, I hear, I hear from folks all the time, and they're like, yeah, why do we give a shit? You know, why, why should we be spending our, you know, resources on Ukraine?

• 2:25:45Speaker 02

  And, fine, if you're okay with Putin winning, then fine, okay, you know, then, you know, I get your point. But at least admit that what you're saying is, you know, we shouldn't be supporting Ukraine, and frankly, without US support, you know, Ukraine's not going to win this fight, and whatever that win means, right?

• 2:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Can they even win?

• 2:26:09Speaker 02

  Not in terms of like, "We've reclaimed all our territory." That's never gonna happen.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  So it's over?

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  It's a negotiated settlement of some sort, that's not completely unpalatable for, you know, the Ukrainian people, right? So, what they're going to, you know, who knows? Maybe the, you know, the goal is clearly to get everything back, but they're not gonna get Crimea back, they're not gonna get, you know, some of the eastern region that the Russians have been sitting in now for quite a long time, right? Even before the invasion. So, you know, you've got some negotiated settlement that they can accept, but, you know, if we say we're not gonna support them, and you can't inflict enough pressure, or whatever you wanna call it, pain on Putin, to get him in a serious way to the negotiating

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  table, then ultimately, yeah, you know, the Russian military will overwhelm them, right? Because they've got the support of China, they've got certainly the support of North Korea, and North Korea's about to send another 30,000 troops to, you know, to the front lines on behalf of Putin. I mean, that's crazy, but we've got North Korean troops by the thousands fighting and dying in Ukraine. And, so, you know, the US providing military support that keeps them in the fight long enough to hopefully, with the EU expanding what they're doing, to hopefully get Putin to think, "Okay, fuck it, I do have to sit down at the table." Great.

• 2:27:35Joe Rogan?

  This is what's discouraging, is that Trump said, "When I get into office, I can fix this in 24 hours."

• 2:27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Messaging problem, again, messaging problem.

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's always, again, I go back to that same thing. There's always a problem with, you know, and again, this is not a, I'm just saying, maybe get better, you know, comms people, and try to get just a tad bit more disciplined, but, you know, the idea that you're gonna fix this problem in a day, you know, it's hyperbole, but people buy into it, right?

• 2:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:07Speaker 02

  And then you get a mob that are saying, "Well, how come we couldn't? And what are you doing here?" Rather than saying, "Well, no more wars," just say, "The world is an unusual, unstable, chaotic place. There may be occasion when we need to be involved, but I'm going to try to minimize that." You know, say something like that, and then you don't have to throw more red meat to the crowd. But it's, yeah, the Ukraine situation, and Zelensky's got some other problems, right? It's an interesting situation that may, hopefully it doesn't bore people, but it's important to keep on the radar, is that, you know, Zelensky has just signed a bill that kind of gutted the two primary anti-corruption organizations

• 2:28:50Speaker 02

  in Ukraine. And Ukraine's had years and years of history of being a corrupt nation. And it's always been a roadblock to them getting into the European Union because of saying, "You've got to do something to clean this goddamn place up," right? So Ukraine has had a history of, not just with Zelensky, but prior to that. And so, the parliament, you know, wrote up a bill, basically handing over control of these two anti-corruption independent organizations that monitor corruption inside the Ukraine government, handed over that control to the prosecutor general, government control of these organizations. And they put that bill that they wrote, a Zelensky supporter wrote it, put it on Zelensky's desk, it was like 48 hours ago. And he had the choice to either sign it or veto it. Again, here's

• 2:29:35Speaker 02

  the problem, we think like, "Who the fuck is advising him?" Right? Veto that goddamn thing, but he didn't. And he signed it. And now you've got street protests, significant large street protests in Ukraine against this because they considered this authoritarian takeover. And they know what their history was like, and so the people are worried about this. So they're out in the streets protesting. Putin's looking at it going like, "Ah, it's fantastic!" Because Putin's been saying that Zelensky's an illegitimate leader for some time now. And one of his demands has always been, you know, "I'll negotiate, but, you know, Zelensky needs to go." And because he wants a pro-Kremlin leader in there. So you've got all this going on, and then Zelensky decides he's going to sign this bill. Now he's got the protests, now he's going to have to, he's trying to scramble. So now

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  he said, "Well, we're going to introduce a new bill to strengthen our anti-corruption efforts." So now he's trying to, you know, cauterize that wound. So, you know, that's, it's just, again, it's a self-inflicted wound. He shouldn't have done it, but I'm just, I'm trying to speak to the complexity that's going on out there right now. Jesus Christ, Mike Baker. Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

• 2:30:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, anyway, so that's, you know, we touched very, we haven't even talked about, about, about the situation with Hamas and Israel, but I'll leave that for another day, because I'm sure if we got together again in another half a year, it's still going on. There's no, there's no ceasefire that's gonna happen. You know, every time you turn around, the US Whitkoff or somebody in the US administration, or the Saudis, or the Egyptians, or the Qataris, whoever's handling mediation is saying, "Yeah, we're very close to a ceasefire." It's just not, it's just not happening. So, you know, it's gonna be a mess. We can talk about that some other time. Yeah, yeah. I know, that's a

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  Is there any way you can give us some happy news to wrap this up?

• 2:31:22Speaker 02

  Um.

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Is there anything positive?

• 2:31:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Going on? I know you got a bunch of notes over there.

• 2:31:27Speaker 02

  I do, I do.

• 2:31:28Joe Rogan?

  Something like, "Hey, we're gonna be okay."

• 2:31:30Speaker 02

  You know what, one of my, I know, I know, right. I, none of them, I, well, I got one about, well, Ozzy and Hulk Hogan. I mean, that's not positive.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  Goddamn.

• 2:31:40Joe Rogan?

  We lost Hulk Hogan today.

• 2:31:41Speaker 02

  We did. Hulk Hogan, what a, what a guy. And then Ozzy, I mean, what a goddamn career that guy had.

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  But the Ozzy thing was less surprising, because he'd been battling Parkinson's and he was very old, but the Hulk Hogan thing was crazy. He was, he was here just, how long ago? A year ago? Yeah. Yeah, he was in the podcast for a year ago.

• 2:31:59Speaker 02

  Well, Ozzy did that concert on the 5th of July.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:32:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, in his chair.

• 2:32:03Joe Rogan?

  But Hulk went in for some surgery, apparently, and he got an infection.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I think it was neck or spine surgery or something that he couldn't come back from, but, um, yeah, and then, and it's all in the same week. And then, and then what, what's his name? Then the other guy, this poor guy, it always happens, right? Malcolm Jamal Warner, the kid from The Cosby Show. He dies, and then nobody thinks about it, because, like, the day after Ozzy dies, and then Hulk Hogan dies, you know, it's

• 2:32:34Joe Rogan?

  They always die in threes.

• 2:32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:36Joe Rogan?

  They always say that, celebrities die in threes. Why is that true?

• 2:32:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but poor Malcolm. I mean, he goes and, and his, his death is completely, you know, it's like, uh... It's like if you and I were on a plane and plane went down, it'd be like, we lost a legend today. You know, Joe Rogan is gone, along with two hundred and forty others. And I'd be like the other. You know, I'd be, it'd be, it'd be a sad moment.

• 2:32:57Joe Rogan?

  Malcolm died, um, swimming, right? He gets caught in a undertow.

• 2:33:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it was a swimming incident in Costa Rica.

• 2:33:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:05Speaker 02

  Got pulled out by a riptide.

• 2:33:06Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, man, you gotta be able to swim and you gotta not fuck with the tides.

• 2:33:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:11Joe Rogan?

  It's scary shit.

• 2:33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were out in, uh, in the Caymans, uh, my wife and I for, uh, had gone down there to give a speech or something. So we said, let's go, you know, snorkeling, whatever. And, um, so I went out, I didn't take a, a PFD, I didn't take a, you know, a, uh, uh, inflatable device with me, right? I should have just grabbed the belt, you know, you just pop it and get it. So I was out there swimming, snorkeling around and, and at some point I was like, ah, I don't feel good. And I don't feel right. And then I could tell, uh, cause I'd had an heart issue in the past, right? And I knew exactly what was gonna happen. And so I, I started feeling this and I did, and I could just kinda feel the energy drain out of me. But I'm out in the middle of the fucking, you know, water and I kinda look up and there's no, I can see, I can see my wife off in the distance.

• 2:33:57Speaker 02

  You know, but I'm like, I, you know, and so I'm just trying to keep my goddamn head above water. And so I get her attention finally, she comes over and she's a brilliant person and she's a, a great athlete, very strong swimmer. And so she's trying to help, but now I'm doing that dude thing where I don't really want the, I don't wanna make a fuss, right?

• 2:34:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:34:16Speaker 02

  So I'm out there, I don't wanna, I don't wanna take my mask off and I'm saying, ah, it'll be okay. And I'm, I'm, you know, I'm just kinda like barely going. But I'm doing that, the dude thing, right? When you have, as a dude, if you're having a heart attack, you don't wanna alert everybody. Because you're like, I don't wanna cause a scene, I don't wanna be a problem, I don't wanna show that I'm, I'm weak or whatever. So I'm like that. So she, uh, literally hauls my ass back to shore, right? And, uh, so I was, it was one of those moments, I got back down, I was, uh, but I, you know, I was fine after, after a little bit, but it was just one of those moments where we realized this would be a fucked up way to go, right? Just kinda drowning and, you know, being at the bottom of that and they gotta fish you out, but, so I feel bad for, yeah. Malcolm Jamal Warner, but, but then also is, you know, his news got blown out by Ozzy and now Hulk, so.

• 2:35:01Joe Rogan?

  It is weird that they always die in threes.

• 2:35:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that's all about.

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  But it's so common.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  Cosmic retribution, something's going on.

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  But it's like there's a pattern to the universe where that happens.

• 2:35:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, but as far as, you know, good news, um.

• 2:35:19Speaker 02

  I'm really working on this one.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  You're here.

• 2:35:21Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, yeah, I'm here.

• 2:35:22Joe Rogan?

  We're here. Everybody listening is still alive.

• 2:35:25Speaker 02

  Going to Seal Oasis, so that's good news.

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 2:35:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, gonna go Seal Oasis and, yeah, coming to Los Angeles, uh, it'll be a big deal.

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad they're back together.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  God damn it, right, and I'm just hoping, it's not, cause it's not till September, so the danger is.

• 2:35:37Joe Rogan?

  That they feud.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  They feud, they break up.

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you, fuck you.

• 2:35:41Speaker 02

  Fuck you.

• 2:35:42Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you.

• 2:35:43Speaker 02

  Fuck off. Yeah, so it's, but it's gonna be, should be a great show, they've been doing a bang up job, but as long as they stick, come on guys, stick together. Make it to, uh, to September and we'll be fine, but other than that, uh, no, this, you know, there's good news happening out there, I'm sure, I just haven't, I haven't seen it.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Alright.

• 2:36:00Speaker 02

  I'm sorry about that.

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  Tell everybody your podcasts.

• 2:36:02Speaker 02

  Oh, uh, yeah, thank you, it's President's Daily Brief, it's available, we got a YouTube channel.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 2:36:09Speaker 02

  At President's Daily Brief.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  It's doing well.

• 2:36:11Speaker 02

  So, yeah, it's.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  I see you on the charts all the time.

• 2:36:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're, we're, we're up there, we're always in the, hovering around the top 10, and, um, I think it speaks to the fact that. You know, for the most part, look, we're just trying to tell people what's happening without telling them how to think about it.

• 2:36:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes, and that's what people want, cause there's not a lot of that.

• 2:36:28Speaker 02

  And it's worked out well in that regard, and occasionally I'll, I'll say something, I get a little comment in there, but I try to keep the opinion out of it. But it's, yeah, it's, uh, all the podcast platforms, YouTube channel, and it's, uh, it's, it's gone well, it's been a great adventure, uh, so far, um, and it's been growing, which again. For me, that, that is very satisfying in the sense that.

• 2:36:51Speaker 02

  You know, nowadays, everything's opinion, right, everything, goddamn opinion, right?

• 2:36:55Joe Rogan?

  Not just opinion, but again, what you were saying, telling you how to think.

• 2:36:57Speaker 02

  Telling you how to think about it, yeah.

• 2:36:59Joe Rogan?

  This is how you have to think.

• 2:37:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's, yeah, President's Daily Brief, anybody gets a chance, check it out, subscribe, whatever you do, um, and I appreciate you letting me bang on about that.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  I appreciate you telling me about things and explaining things, just so I get, I get lost out there.

• 2:37:13Speaker 02

  I always feel like I come in here, I bum you out, and, uh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:37:16Joe Rogan?

  You definitely did today.

• 2:37:17Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm going to your show tonight, I'm gonna love it.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:37:21Speaker 02

  America wants to know this before I go.

• 2:37:24Speaker 02

  The White House card. Is it happening?

• 2:37:26Joe Rogan?

  Supposedly. Yeah, supposedly July 4th next year.

• 2:37:29Speaker 02

  Okay. July 4th next year?

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:37:31Speaker 02

  Okay. That's gonna be amazing.

• 2:37:33Joe Rogan?

  It should be wild.

• 2:37:34Speaker 02

  Is Jones coming back?

• 2:37:36Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. You know, it's a lot of time between now and then. He's a wild card.

• 2:37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. Alright.

• 2:37:43Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to see it. I'd like to see him.

• 2:37:44Speaker 02

  Are you kidding me?

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Fight for the title. On the White House lawn, that'd be pretty wild.

• 2:37:48Speaker 02

  It's crazy. No, okay, sorry, I didn't mean to drag that one out, but anyway, thank you, man.

• 2:37:52Joe Rogan?

  Alright, thank you. Bye, everybody.

• 2:38:08Joe Rogan?

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