#2354 - Joe DeRosa

Joe DeRosa is a comedian, musician, actor, and podcaster. Watch his new special, "I Never Promised You a Rose Garden," on YouTube. https://youtu.be/qXQR_eqfFUg?si=gq7wEXcF25n2_Ao8https://www.joederosa.com 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Joe DeRosa taking notes. Look at you scholarly young man.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  There's so many, there's so many things I want to talk to you about.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is like a really, this is really interesting, like, like to, to sit with you one-on-one like this. It really is because, and I say that outside of who you are to the world, which is obviously impressive. I say it to you just as a comic that knows you and has been friendly with you for many years. We don't get a, you know, usually when I see you, it's at the mothership.

• 0:46Joe Rogan?

  Green room, 50 people around.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  50 people.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:49Speaker 02

  It's your place. There's a lot going on. And I was like, man, it's going to be interesting to get to sit like across from Joe and just talk to him like, and have a conversation.

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  What did you write down?

• 1:00Speaker 02

  I wrote sober.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  Sober.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Uh, which I'll explain, but family was the first thing I wrote, which, or the second thing I wrote, but the first thing I wanted to say was, um, it's incredible, man, because I was in there last night. My special came out yesterday and I was in the club last night. I just dropped in real quick to say hi to Tony and, and Ari was around for his last night before he...

• 1:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what is he doing? He's going on the walkabout?

• 1:25Speaker 02

  Some secret.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  He just sent, sent me some text message. He said this weekend was perfect for my send-off from stand-up comedy. And I go, what does that mean, my send-off?

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Um...

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing? Fucking weirdo.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  He's going...

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  He always has to fucking throw his life into a turmoil every couple of years.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  He's the weirdest man I've ever met.

• 1:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's so weird. He's awesome, though.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  I love him.

• 1:50Joe Rogan?

  He's amazing.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  He's one of my best friends.

• 1:52Joe Rogan?

  He's a unique, very unique individual. That's a one-of-one.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Yes, and he's done some stuff. He's a polarizing individual.

• 2:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, without a doubt. Without a doubt, he took a shit on stage with a note inside of it during a Skank Fest show. He shit on the plastic and then pulled out the note and read it.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  The, uh, yeah, I remember that happening.

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't do that.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  He, I talked to him about it.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  And he goes, I go, I go, Ari, I love you. Why, why do you make it so hard for yourself?

• 2:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  And he goes, he got mad. We were sitting in the green room, mother shit. It was just me and him and he got mad and he's sitting there, he goes, he goes, oh yeah, oh yeah. And, and censor jokes. And then I go, no, no, no, I'm not into censoring jokes. I'm saying you shouldn't bloody shit on a stage. And he kept going and I look him in the eye, I go, Brian, you did the only thing I've ever seen shake Brian Holtzman. Or Ari, sorry. I go, Ari, you've done the only thing I've seen shake Brian Holtzman. I saw Brian after you did that and Holtzman was like, I don't know, man, I was just...

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  But that's what he wants. That's what Ari wants. Mission accomplished.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's like, you know, he's, he's the real deal. He's really fucking throws it all into the fire. He runs right into the wood chipper. Let's see.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah. He, um...

• 3:08Joe Rogan?

  But I like it, like he thinks, he's thinking about like creatively, you hit like dips. And you don't know what to talk about anymore. And sometimes you need to go on a walkabout.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I see him and I admire it greatly because it's so opposite of how I'm wired, but...

• 3:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not me either. I don't dig it. But he goes like months at a time with nothing but like a burner phone.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  No text message, no emails, no nothing.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  I said to him yesterday, I go, I'm gonna miss you dude. And he's like, I'm gonna miss you too. And I go, I go, please stay in touch. He goes, I go, please stay in touch. He goes, he goes, I'll hit you up in a couple of months with a number from another...

• 3:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he likes to do that.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:52Joe Rogan?

  But it, uh, works for him. Like it's, like, he's not faking it. He genuinely enjoys doing it.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  He genuinely, he's smart, you know, he's, he's like, I gotta throw my brain into a totally different environment every now and again and see what's really going on.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  I think he likes the challenge that life can be. Like I think he likes the idea of, he's one of those guys. Where if he says, "That scares the shit out of me," he's first in line to do it. Like, it's, it's all about like, if you don't face it, what's the point, you know?

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  So I think he creates these incredible, it's so funny, you know, when you discuss what he's about to do with certain people, some people go, "That's insane, what?" And other people go, "Oh my god, I admire it so much." You know what I mean?

• 4:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's sort of like the guy that killed the United Healthcare CEO.

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  Depending upon your perspective, it was either so fucking awesome, or, "Oh my god, they're gonna start killing CEOs."

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Luigi Chaffir.

• 4:57Joe Rogan?

  And he's so handsome.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Yes, he is.

• 4:59Joe Rogan?

  The thing about Luigi though, is Luigi picked the right person to kill. Not, not like, meaning that guy. I mean, healthcare executive. You're gonna get the least amount of sympathy.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 5:11Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean, not that individual one. Look, you shouldn't kill anybody. I can't believe I have to say this, but yeah, don't go shooting people.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 5:16Joe Rogan?

  But also, like, when you realize how, you know, Ben Askren, I don't know who his healthcare provider was, but Ben Askren, he developed some kind of crazy pneumonia, and then it became necrotic. So it like ate holes in his lungs.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  He's 40 years old, so former UFC fighter, former Bellator champion, elite athlete, fantastic wrestler, had to get a double lung surgery, double lung replacement surgery at 40. And insurance didn't want to cover it.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  It's insane. It's insane.

• 5:48Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about? He's going to die, like, he doesn't have lungs anymore. He was on a fucking ventilator for months. He didn't have lungs anymore.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  I can't even fathom, I just had, I just had a bunch of water damage. My dishwasher leaked while I was away. And I had a bunch of water damage in my condo, that I had to get, obviously, fixed. There was rotted wood and caught its mold and all this stuff. And for, my insurance company gave me...

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Sort of what I needed to cover it, you know what I mean?

• 6:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  And I was furious. I can't fucking imagine.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  It was your health.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  If you're in a situation like that, where it's your health, or if it's your home, like with the people with the fires.

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  I can't even imagine the fucking rage. Like, it's, it's, it's undefinable, and they wouldn't cover. So, so that's it.

• 6:40Joe Rogan?

  Such a weird game they're playing. Their businesses pay you as little as possible. And get you to give them money every month, so that maybe if something happens, they'll pay for it. Maybe, but maybe not.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  I have a friend.

• 6:54Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe you need a double lung transplant, and they're like, nope, we're not gonna cover that. That's too much money.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:00Joe Rogan?

  Come, come to court.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  Or figure it out.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Insurance has become buying the protection plan at Best Buy. You know, where it's.

• 7:07Joe Rogan?

  But no, Best Buy's protection plan's way better. It's way better. If you buy like a new Samsung Galaxy phone, you buy the protection plan at Best Buy, and then it fucks up on you. They give you a fucking brand new one.

• 7:20Joe Rogan?

  They just have you fill out a little paperwork, you show your receipt, they shake your hand, thank you, you say thank you to them, and you leave. It's fucking great.

• 7:29Joe Rogan?

  Insurance gamble's the craziest gamble ever. I'm gonna pay you every month, and hopefully you'll be kind enough to cover my insurance if something goes wrong.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  It is fucking wild. Dude, I have a friend.

• 7:40Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Who's a lawyer, who has to often rep insurance companies and cases.

• 7:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  And I said to him, I said, dude, with all due respect, I'm not coming at you. I go, how do you, how do you sleep at night? You know, it's a tough position to be in. And he said, he goes, here's how I justify it. If I get the insurance company off, or I save them some money, that does trickle down to the users with their premiums, making insurance continually as affordable as possible. He goes, the second I lose for my client, they turn around and fuck everybody even more. So, he's like, that's the one little silver lining with it, like, I guess, you know? But that's a very sad.

• 8:19Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird silver lining.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like someone trying to cope. Doesn't it? It's, it's totally sounds like, I have to kill some people. There's an overpopulation problem, Joe DeRosa, so we're gonna have to go around and kill people. That's what that sounds like to me. It's like, it's like, what? It'll make it better for everybody else. It'll be the last resources being depleted by the people we kill. Like, what?

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Do you think that they're?

• 8:43Speaker 02

  His is more job injury stuff.

• 8:44Joe Rogan?

  I know, but it's so gaslighty. It's so gaslighty. If we fuck these people over, it'll be better for everybody else. Cause then you could feed the demons. The demons will be appeased.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  God, you know, I didn't ever thought of it that way. And I had a feeling as I was saying that you were gonna flip it into a thing that was gonna leave me disturbed, and it has.

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• 12:18Joe Rogan?

  for years. Yeah. How do you do that? That's like a pact with it. Like you could just sign here and then they're covered and then they get this operation. You do everything you can to help them and then everybody loves your company. Or you could say, I just want the money now. It's dark. It's dark. It's dark. It's just, there's no pitchforks, there's no brimstone, so you don't think, you know, you don't think it's demonic. The thing that leaves me without hope, and I am not a very hope-filled individual, but the thing that leaves me with even less hope every day is I feel like the culture and people in all positions, you know, but yours is, we're talking a very macro example of the thing.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  I find that more and more people every day put themselves, they position themselves in a way where they say, "I will not be accountable and I will force you to be the one that has accountability to hold me to something." "And until you hold me to something where I cannot squirm or pivot in any way, at that point, I will then be accountable." And I feel that more and more people operate like that, obviously on a corporate level, but also an individualistic level. It makes me very, very sad. It's like having so many people that you encounter in your life, sometimes it's friends. And you're sitting there going, "Really? I have to be the adult?

• 13:40Speaker 02

  I have to sit you down as a forty-eight-year-old man and say to you, 'What you're acting like right now is fucked up.'"

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  "Why do I have to do that with you? Because you're not gonna do it, so I guess I have to."

• 13:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  And the more that you try to hold yourself to accountability, I find, and I'm not patting myself on the back in any way, but I find that burden grows and grows and grows and you just start to get to this place where you're like, "What the fuck is going on?" It's like an epidemic of ethics at a certain point.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you are, if you get indoctrinated into a real cutthroat corporate environment. You know, those guys can justify a lot of stuff because that's in the culture. Like, our culture is talking shit to each other. Like, the way we talk shit to each other, like, there's a lot of people in a lot of other jobs that would have a giant problem with what you and I think is awesome.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you cracked on me and it was fucking awesome and we're all howling, like, I could get you in real trouble if we were accountants.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  If we're accountants, that'd be a giant problem.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:40Joe Rogan?

  So, we're used to fucking with each other and we're used to laughing about stuff and we're used to saying ridiculous shit that we don't really mean, just for fun. And most people aren't. So, this is our culture. This would freak, like, if you got normies and you brought them into the green room of the mothership and we're all just hanging out one night, just talking and having fun, you'd probably freak them out. The people talk like this. Like, Jesus Christ, you guys are at work and you talk like this? This is crazy.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  It's why comics get, I've seen people get very offended who aren't comics that get brought into a green room.

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  And the comics are kind of ignoring them. Or making it very clear, we don't want you in here.

• 15:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  And people think that that's the comics thinking who the fuck they are. It's not. It's like, guys, we have a thing we do. You're not part of it. You're not gonna understand it. And I've seen more than once, somebody get offended by something we're saying who shouldn't have been in here in the first.

• 15:28Joe Rogan?

  It's usually someone's boyfriend or girlfriend.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm trying to be nice.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  It's someone's girlfriend.

• 15:35Joe Rogan?

  Once with a guy.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  But you gotta count it. You gotta count it.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, once in 1968, a man got offended in a green room.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  There's some guys that are just notoriously make bad decisions. And then they bring their bad decisions around for everybody else to revel in.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  I mean, is there anything worse?

• 15:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, but this is just our culture. That's the most minor of things to worry about. Someone fucking up the vibe of the green room with dopey talk. Which is fine. Which is fine, but it's so much better than in that court cut throat. It literally rewards sociopathic behavior. Like to be a person who thinks entirely on the bottom line of the company. This is my job as a blah blah blah. You know, my job is to make sure that we make more money every fucking quarter, period, end of discussion. And then you get in that mindset and that's what you're trying to do. And everybody else is trying to do that too. So they're all fucking each other over. And then what's the ultimate form of that? Politics.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  The ultimate form of that. The ultimate form of fucking everybody over and making the biggest exaggerations. And lying the most about people and using the most leverage. It's wild to watch, man.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  And what you're describing is it's, you know, it's quintessential Rod Serling shit.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  It's when people's, it comes down to survival. Cause eventually, that to me is what the technique is and how you get it to keep working in your favor. If you're the asshole at the top of the food chain, right? You, you say if I make people desperate enough, they will do desperate things to keep. The situation that they feel now privileged to have or lucky to have.

• 17:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  And you get people, you ever seen Twilight Zone where the guy has the bunker?

• 17:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  And he tells the neighbors, I'm keep telling you, build a nuclear bunker, you're gonna need it. They're all making fun of him. And then the thing comes over the radio as they're talking at dinner. There are nuclear missiles on the way, whatever. And he goes to his bunker and they're all at his door, like, let us in. He goes, I told you guys, you should have made a bunker. There's only enough room in here for me and my family. And they kick his door in and they turn on each other and they start getting racial with each other. Right? And then at the end, it was a false alarm.

• 17:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, and now everybody's revealed.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Everybody's sitting there, yeah, and they're like, well, sorry about that. He's like, no, there's no turning back from this, you know?

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  But that's what it is. It's people get so desperate, it's survival. And as long as they feel that fear, that threat, that my weekly paycheck might be cut off for me and that starts the chain of dominoes to my children starving and whatever it is. People do some really foul fucking shit, man.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  You know? Some really foul fucking shit, you know? I feel very lucky that we're in several different ways. You know, we're all operating sort of at different levels of this crazy industry we're in. But all of us, in this circle that we now all exist in in comedy, it's like we all get to, we all get to be independently employed, independently sufficient. And I think that allows you to potentially live a better life, you know?

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  It's just a better way of life, for sure, well, at least for us. But the thing is, some people, they genuinely like coding. You know what I mean? So it's like, unless you can get a job off-site where they let you, they don't even let you do that anymore. Now they're making people go back to work, which is so interesting. Cause there was a few people that fucked it up for everybody else, probably. It was like a bunch of lazy people who fucked off and didn't really do their work and kind of like half-assed everything, cause they're at home in their fucking pajamas and they didn't want to go back to work.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. There are guys out there that are like, I love being a janitor, what do you want me to do? I gotta go, I gotta go work somewhere.

• 19:22Joe Rogan?

  It's just people saying they don't want to go back to the office. That, to me, is a wild one. Like, yo, everyone always had to work in an office, there was a reason. You go there, that's work. When you're at home, you could just be staring at your phone, you could be jerking off. How many reporters got caught jerking off, like to Zoom calls? You can't just leave people alone. They'll pretend they're doing as good a job. They're not. They gotta go to the office. That's why like the, all the people that are like super ambitious, like psycho Elon Musk type characters, you gotta go to the fucking office.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  You know dude, I, yeah, and it's, I have mixed feelings about the office thing because I, I worked in offices at one point. I understand somebody saying, dude, it was soul deadening. The overhead lights, the gray cubicles right up, right?

• 20:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I get it.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  So I get like, I don't want to be in that environment. It sucks. But now you see offices, I talk about this in my act a little bit. It's like now they make them fun. There's like ping pong tables and shit like that. I don't like that either. I think that creates the wrong vibe at work.

• 20:24Joe Rogan?

  That's severance.

• 20:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It should be just soul deadening enough that you feel like I must work.

• 20:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  But maybe not, I want to hang myself.

• 20:34Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  You know? And I think all that beanbag chairs in the office shit is, is a fucking fishing lure.

• 20:41Joe Rogan?

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• 21:51Speaker 02

  The last one I had was I worked for the Texas, the senate. In Texas. Uh, I worked for, for the, your expression is so funny. I'm just waiting for you to finish this, it's interesting. Oh, okay. I didn't wanna give it away. Um, no, you, uh, I worked for the Texas senate. Uh, I worked for the senate media department during the seventy-sixth legislative session? Or the seventy-seventh? No shit, what'd you do with them? So I went to college, uh, for production, video and audio production. Um, and, uh, I got out of school. And at the time, I, I graduated in two thousand. So it was right, right after that whole Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez indie film boom happened.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Hmm. And I said, that's what I wanna do, I wanna work in independent film. I, I'm gonna, I wanna do that, I wanna write scripts, I wanna direct movies, I wanna create, like, in that space. So, I said, well, I keep hearing about this Austin, Texas. Robert Rodriguez is from there, um, who's the guy, Slacker? Um, the guy that did Slacker and Dazed and Confused and, uh... Yeah, Richard Linkletter, he was from here. And I'm like, well, those guys are doing stuff down there. And, you know, I had no fucking concept till any of it worked. Right. So I moved down here. I, I met a few people that had the same interests. I was like, yeah, this is what I wanna do. Immediately, they were like, yeah, get in fucking line, buddy. Good luck. Right?

• 23:21Speaker 02

  So I got a job. Uh, I, for a little while, I was working at, like, the PBS or whatever, the government TV station over here, whatever the hell it was. Mike Judge is out here, too, don't forget that. Oh, yeah, Mike Judge, yes. Yeah. And I was working there and you're, you know, it was brutal, you're holding the camera for four hours in a studio as two people talk about, you know, uh, fucking, I don't know, new county lines and shit. Your neck is burning, it was miserable. So, so I saw in the paper, uh, an, an ad back when you opened a newspaper to find a job. And it said, "Help Wanted. Texas Senate Media Department. We need ra- a radio reporter." I was like, "Well shit, man."

• 24:04Speaker 02

  I'm already a performer, cause I play, I was playing music and stuff. And I already had an interest in comedy. And I was like, "But, and it's radio, so I know how to do production," whatever. So I applied, and I got the job. And the job was, the senate, the senate has its own media department. And, uh, I was one of the people they sent to the senate floor every single day for the legislative hearings. And I had to take notes and do a radio show at the end of every day that surmised whatever happened that day. And then you'd upload it to a server, and then all these local radio stations in Texas would download it and play it as their news break. And that's what I did every day.

• 24:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  And I sucked at it.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  How long did you do it for?

• 24:55Speaker 02

  For the whole session, which was like six or eight months or something like that.

• 24:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. What are those people like?

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Joe? Uh.

• 25:02Joe Rogan?

  They party a lot, huh?

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Like motherfuckers.

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 25:06Speaker 02

  I've been hammered with these Texas senators.

• 25:10Joe Rogan?

  It's not just Texas. It's, it's kinda all of them.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I, I don't mean drunk. I mean like hammered. These guys would have catfish fries and keg parties.

• 25:20Joe Rogan?

  Somebody left cocaine in the White House, remember? Remember?

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:24Joe Rogan?

  Somebody left fucking coke. They brought coke to the White House. How did you do that? How'd you get in with coke?

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Dude, I knew nothing.

• 25:32Joe Rogan?

  Bro, have you seen Hunter, I'm sorry, have you seen Hunter Biden describing why crack is so good? It's the greatest crack advertisement of all time.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 25:41Joe Rogan?

  If, if crack wasn't terrible for you, this guy makes me wanna try crack. I'm not going to, don't do it. I'm not giving any advice, but I'm saying, this guy, like legitimately, this might be the best advertisement for crack of all time. I'm gonna send it to you, Jamie. You, you, you're gonna watch it and you're gonna go, "Oh my god."

• 26:01Speaker 02

  I'm excited for this.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  I wanna try crack.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  He keeps, he's the gift that keeps on giving.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a lot smaller than people give him credit for, I'll tell you that. Like, he's talking, and one of the things he was talking about was, why, um, smoking things are so addictive, why smoking cigarettes are so addictive, and like the psychology behind it. He's not dumb, but he's just a guy who, you know, became an addict, and that fucks your whole life up. It fucks you, you become a subhuman. When you're junkied out all the time, and you're, you're that dude who's like, what he was doing, like making films and shit, and driving with a gun, ah! He was fucking gone. He was out there, dude.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  Well, when you're an addict with money,

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  it gets real wild.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  And your dad is one of the most famous people on the planet. It's so crazy. Listen to this.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  The, the, the only difference between crack cocaine and cocaine is sodium bicarbonate and, and, uh, water and heat, literally. That's it?

• 26:55Speaker 05

  And those things are pretty much free if you go to like a science store.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  This is free. You, you can go to a, uh, your neighborhood convenience store and just get, anyway, I don't wanna tell people how to make, how to make crack cocaine, but it literally is a man-made jar of cocaine and baking soda.

• 27:12Speaker 05

  How different is the experience?

• 27:14Speaker 04

  Oh, it's vastly, vastly different. And like, for real, I, I, I feel really reluctant to, um, kinda have some euphoric discussion. I know you're not asking me to do that, but have some euphoric discussion about, uh, crack cocaine.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  I think this might be kinda the opposite here.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Okay, no, I, it's the exact opposite. I'm saying, I don't want to have the experience of some euphoric recall. That's how powerful crack cocaine is. Does crack cocaine make you act any differently? No. Is it safer than alcohol? Probably. People think of crack as being dirty. It's the exact opposite. When you make crack, what you're doing is you're burning off all the impurities so that it can bind with the, uh, sodium bicarbonate. Which makes it smokable, that's all. You know, all of these actors and, you know, people in the past that talked about they had a problem with cocaine and freebasing. They were smoking crack. So straw on the stove is the same thing? Not exactly, but close to it. Um, but uh, it's a little bit different.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  But anyway, my point about it, that your point about it, which I think is, is true, is that there's a thing about crack that is really insidious. And what it is, is that anytime, uh, you know, I think one of the reasons that they believe that smoking cigarettes is so addictive is because it combines three really important things. It's habit forming, there's an oral fixation, and there is a ritual combined with it. And so the idea of hand to mouth is a habit and a fixation that we learned very early, even as children. With a pacifier, with a spoon, with your thumb, to even to breastfeeding, okay? So that, really, so I, and I don't want to get into the psychology of it because I'm

• 28:57Speaker 04

  no, I'm no expert, but I do know this, is that you combine with that ignition, combustion, and then you combine the ritual. You have your cigarette in the morning, you have your cigarette when you get out of the car, you have your cigarette with your coffee. Crack is that on steroids. It's over and over. There's ritual to it, there's a ritualized part of it. The combination of all of those addictive behaviors together becomes like really powerful. And the drug in and of itself is a more immediate euphoric sensation and, uh, connected to it than, in my experience, cocaine alone. Does it require more frequency to maintain the high? Yes, yes. And the capacity to use more than you could otherwise with powdered cocaine, just physically to be able to ingest it.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Okay, um, we should give that guy credit. Who, who's, who's the dude who's interviewing him?

• 29:46Speaker 04

  Andrew Callahan, Channel 5.

• 29:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, he nailed it. He did a great job. Um, that's the best ad for coke ever. It's the best. Best ad for crack ever. Yeah. Um, and he could be president. Yeah. How about that? How about that? That kid.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  He could. Like, no bullshit. Hunter Biden, after all he's been through. Look, we all, his dirty laundry's all out there. We all see it. He, he was a freak.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  He, uh, speaking of which.

• 30:10Joe Rogan?

  He's just smart, smarter than his dad when his dad was young. And he was a crackhead.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  He spoke so eloquently about crack just then. I mean, I was, by the way, you know what two words got me?

• 30:21Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Ignition was the first one.

• 30:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jesus, bro.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  And I forget was, uh, I forget the second word, but ignition, I was like, you got my ears here. But I have a friend that smoked crack.

• 30:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, I have a couple.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I said, what was it like? Like, how, describe it to me. And he goes, dude, he goes, the best way I could describe it is, imagine you are as horny as humanly possible.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  You have a raging hard on. And a woman sits down on your dick for two seconds and then plops off and walks away. He goes, he goes, that sensation of the thrill of that? He goes, that's the only way I could think to kind of equate, like, what the charge of it is and how excited you are. And how you feel you need to immediately do it again.

• 31:07Joe Rogan?

  And when you do it again, do you have the same reaction? Or is it dumbed down?

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Uh, that I don't remember what he said, but I got the impression that it's kind of like, you know, it's that just on repeat. It's the broken record of that.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  Up and down, and then big crashes.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:23Joe Rogan?

  I had a buddy in, in New York that smoked crack, and he would have these giant crashes. And one of the things that he would have to do is, he would have to go to, um, uh, a store, like a liquor store, and get a 40 ounce of malt liquor.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 31:36Joe Rogan?

  That was how he'd calm himself down. From the crack. So like, a lot of times, I would pick him up. Um, I would even drop him off when he was buying his shit back then. And, um, then, um, when I'd get him, he'd, he'd just be like pale, like cardboard. And had to drink malt liquor. It was like he was about to have a fucking heart attack.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  But by the way, that's all it takes is one 40 ounce? I'm thinking you'd need the fucking mainline of bottle of Jack Daniels to, to even out.

• 32:06Joe Rogan?

  He would get a couple of 40s.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:08Joe Rogan?

  But one 40 is really strong. Those are, those are things are crazy strong. Like malt liquor, okay.

• 32:17Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda crazy that malt liquor is only in the hood.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:20Joe Rogan?

  Kind of crazy.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:22Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's a lot of beer that tastes like shit. You know, it's not like malt liquor is like a fine Sam, Sam Adams ale.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:29Joe Rogan?

  You know malt liquor's got a, it's, it's just there to get you fucked up and if it's cold, it's tolerable.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  Why is it way more popular in the hood?

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, uh, it's, well, it's usually very, forties are usually very cheap. It is malt liquor, but it's cheap. We used to buy forties when I was in college. That's all we drank, cause it was cheap.

• 32:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  We used to drink a forty called camo.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  The, the, the label was camouflage, the cheapest looking camouflage design ever. And it said camo in like the army stamp. It was a dollar fifty a forty and it was eight point nine percent alcohol. So college, it's perfect.

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  That's so strong.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  There it is, baby.

• 33:06Joe Rogan?

  I remember Old English, I remember Old English. And um, I remember um, God, there was a bunch of them. There was a bunch of those like giant malt liquors that everybody, what were the big name ones? They were always in rap songs.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Oh dude, uh, uh, uh, OE.

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Old English is a big one.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Uh, Eight Ball was um. Call forty-five.

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  Call forty-five, that's right. Yeah. King Cobra.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:32Joe Rogan?

  Old English eight hundred is, that was the classic, the Old English eight hundred.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  St. Ides. Yeah, Old English eight hundred was Eight Ball. That was the Eazy-E song, Eight Ball.

• 33:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, bro, you, you drink that stuff, you will get fucked up.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:44Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's a weird gray area between liquor and, and beer. You know what I mean?

• 33:51Speaker 02

  It tastes like shit. It tastes like, it tastes like you took bad beer and poured vodka in it.

• 33:57Joe Rogan?

  It's so nasty. But yet totally legal.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:02Joe Rogan?

  Which I, I agree with. I agree with, totally legal.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  And I mean, but what you were saying though, about you'll find it in the hood or whatever, it applies same thing to college kids. Dude, when you don't have a ton of cash and you wanna get fucked up.

• 34:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  And for under five dollars, you can get two forties?

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, and you're blitzed.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  You got yourself a night. Yeah. You got yourself a hell of a night.

• 34:22Joe Rogan?

  Hell of a night.

• 34:26Speaker 02

  But wait, the sober, I said earlier, the sober thing.

• 34:29Joe Rogan?

  Bud wait.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  I said Bud wait.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Bud wait, Bud wait. You, I just saw the clip, I remember you telling me in the green room that you stopped drinking. Then I just saw the clip of you saying it to Ron White that you, you think you're done.

• 34:41Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I will, I would most certainly have a glass of wine at some point in time in my life. But as far as like regular drinking, drinking every week, I'm definitely done.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  I, uh.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  You feel better. It's crazy. I mean, it seems so, it's such a simple thing to, um, Chris Williams did it first. He was like the first guy that I know that's like a podcaster that just said, it's been his biggest like life hack. His change. I was like, really? That big of a deal? And he's like, that big of a deal? He's like, really? It's like a remarkable change in the energy levels that you have. Cause you're not fucking poisoning yourself all the time.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love it.

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  It's so fun.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  It's the most fun. It's the most fun.

• 35:21Joe Rogan?

  It's so fun. It's so fun to get a little tipsy.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  That's what Ari, I remember speaking to Ari, Ari said that to me once, cause I remember when Ari got into like enjoying drinking. And I go, cause he didn't.

• 35:32Joe Rogan?

  He didn't drink for a long time. Yeah.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  And I go, you like it now? And he goes, it's the most fun thing. And I was like, yeah, it's pretty fucking fun, man. But I saw a kid in the coffee shop today. I was waiting in line to, to, to order and the kid in front of me turned around and he's like, hey, man.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  I love your comedy, whatever. It was a nice kid. And he goes, he goes, dude. Are you sober too now? All you guys are getting sober. I was like, no, no, no.

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  All you guys. That's funny. They think like we act, we move as a group.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:04Joe Rogan?

  They're all, they're all Republicans now.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  There's, it's, the, the things I hear people apply to this comedy scene, I'm just like, what the fuck are you guys?

• 36:14Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

• 36:16Joe Rogan?

  I read another article the other day about us being an anti-woke comedy scene.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, the thing about UCB coming in?

• 36:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, why not just do great stuff? Go do great stuff, don't worry about what we're doing. And we're not anti-woke. There's no anti-woke. There's like a shit ton of left-wing comics at the mothership. It's like, that's not what we're talking about. We're not dwelling on that. We're making fun of things.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  That article upset me because when I saw the headline, I was excited. Because I used to do UCB shows in New York.

• 36:51Joe Rogan?

  I did them in LA.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I did them in LA too. And I was like, oh, cool, UCB's coming? Like, it'll be more stuff-

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  That was always fun.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  For the scene and stuff.

• 36:58Joe Rogan?

  The scenes, it's always better if there's more in the scene. But that's also, you gotta realize, like, someone framing it in a way that's gonna get people to read it.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  And then there's people that genuinely do think that way. And it's what a lot of that is, I think, is the walled garden issue. And the fact that there's like a walled garden, right? When there's a walled garden, there's a bunch of people that are doing really well together, and they're hanging out together, and they have fun. And you're not in that group. You start getting mad at that, and you find reasons why that's bad. Because, you know, you want something like that in your life, which we all do. If I see like a whole group of friends, like, palling around and laughing, I always smile, because I know what that's like. I like it. But if you never have that in your life, and you see a group of people palling around, and having a good time together, and hugging each other, and just laughing, and just having a good old time, you feel like left out. You feel like, you feel disrespected almost.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:49Joe Rogan?

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• 39:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:05Joe Rogan?

  People get angry.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  Do you remember, like, I don't know if you ever experienced this, but I'm assuming you have. It's kind of like when you're coming up the ladder initially in show business. And you see famous people on TV and whatever, and you got an opinion about everybody that's having too much fun, that's annoying.

• 39:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  That guy's music sucks and this and that.

• 39:26Joe Rogan?

  He's a hack.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  And then five years later, you find yourself in a room with the guy at some party and you meet him and talk to him and you go, what, he's the nicest, what the, why, what the fuck? Well, I think I like his music now.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  It just changes.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid. But it's just a normal thing that people do. We talk shit. And then the problem now is you talk shit and you're just talking shit. Like you and I would be talking the same way if we were in Mitzi's bar, just hanging out. We'd be talking shit.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  And if, if someone records that and writes it down, it seems so much different than just, just regular talking shit, which is what everybody does.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Well, and that's, that's one of the things I wrote down here that I wanted to say, and I don't say it. I swear to you, I don't say it to blow smoke because it's your place and I get to work there a lot and all that stuff. That's all beautiful. I say this very genuinely, man. When I swung in last night. Uh, and everybody's at the, the, you know, hanging after Kill Tony and it's usually a fun time. And, uh, and Carrie was like, she's like, hey babe, you want a shot? And I go, no, no, not tonight. I gotta, I gotta take it easy tonight. And I go, I'm, I'm, I'm doing Joe's show tomorrow. And dude, like the staff, everybody, the friends, the com- Everybody being like, dude, congrats, fucking special drop today.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  You're doing Rogan tomorrow, dude, kill it, have fun, dude, we fucking love you. And I stepped back and I was like, this feels like family to me. This is a beautiful thing. Everybody's so supportive. There's no backbiting, there's no shit talking, it's all fucking love. So when I hear people saying negative shit about the Austin scene, I'm like, it's, I've found it to be a beautiful experience, like truly, like a truly heartwarming experience.

• 41:13Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's people that aren't in the scene, that's all it is. It's like people that they're looking at it from the outside. And it's not just us that are like this, like, my thought on all this shit is that my favorite people to hang out with are comedians. And if you make an environment where comedians are really happy and everyone is, has a lot of gratitude, a lot of gratitude for what they're able to do with their life and that they have such great friends and they get to do sets and have fun and it, it transfers over to all the other people too. It transfers over to the up and comers, it transfers over to the staff. Everybody is having a good time, everybody has a real positive attitude. That's possible to do.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to start a cult.

• 42:00Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to, you just, you know, just make a place.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  It's, uh.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  You can do it, it can be done. We did it at the Comedy Store. We, the Comedy Store was pretty fucking positive for the most part before we left. And we do it here too, and you, some people don't want to hang with comics, they're lone wolves, and that's fine too, man. That's not what it's about. What it's about is making an environment where it's easiest possible for someone to thrive. So you got a bunch of feedback from a bunch of other comedians. You got a lot of up and coming talent that are like really killing it on stage and really trying to be heard and really writing new stuff all the time, performing all the time. It's good for everybody.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:40Joe Rogan?

  It's like a big old pressure cooker. It's like a wrestling room at Iowa State. You know, it's like, oh, Jesus Christ, like, there's a bunch of killers in this fucking room. That's good for everybody.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:50Joe Rogan?

  It's good for all of us. That's, I look at it the same way I look at sports. I look at it the way I look at martial arts, like, what's the best way to get better? You gotta surround yourself with really good people. Also, make a gym that has everything the fighters need. Everything they need, like the UFC Performance Center, something like, or Performance Institute, something like that.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:09Joe Rogan?

  Make, have a place where it has everything the fighters need. So do that for comedy.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:14Joe Rogan?

  Have it sat completely set up financially, the most beneficial for the comedians. It's like treats people well, everybody gets it's it's the whole business is designed to break even.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:26Joe Rogan?

  It's all it's designed to do.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  It was it was it was awesome, particularly this past weekend because I did Ari shows with him in Fat Man in the big room. And then I was also doing Little Boy spots in between. And it was so like what you're talking about the gym, right? It's like it was so fucking cool. It's like you go into Fat Man. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? Then you go into Little Boy, it's a little calmer, a little more quiet.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  It's like you're in people's living room.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you sit down on the stool, you you talk a little slower. I'm like, this is so good for growth in both areas like.

• 44:00Joe Rogan?

  Just like a gym, like you'd set up a gym, it's a CrossFit gym.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like over there you do your weights, over here you do your cardio. Yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's it's it's great, man. It's fucking great. And the staff is just the staff is so awesome, like just the love of the staff is really a beautiful thing.

• 44:14Joe Rogan?

  They're very cool people and a lot of them like Harry and Adam and Jody, they all came from the store. So everybody was unemployed, man. So I scooped them up when they were all unemployed.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:24Joe Rogan?

  And I said, let's have fun, let's put something crazy together.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Egan is the funniest.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  He makes me laugh so hard. He he watched me the other night. Uh, in in Little Boy and I came off stage and he's like, he's like, good, good shit, man. Good, that's new shit. And I go, I'm super excited about this Russell Brand joke and uh. And he goes, yeah, yeah. So then the next day he starts texting me and he goes, I couldn't sleep last night. And I go, why? And he goes, I'm just so excited about your new Russell Brand joke.

• 45:00Joe Rogan?

  It really is how he thinks, though.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  He goes, I can't sleep. And I go, wait, you're joking, right? And he goes, yes, I'm joking, you fucking idiot. It was so funny, dude, we were laughing so hard. He's the best, man.

• 45:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, he learned it from Norm, you know?

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, yeah.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  But he really does love it, like he really does love when people have new shit. Like, he really was joking around, I'm sure, but he was also looks forward to it a lot. He loves like, the development process. And, you know, he gives really good advice. Like, I've seen him give, like, really good advice to up and coming comics about like, maybe this is what you need to concentrate on. This is where you have like, a, other, kind of a hole in your, your game. Like, how you're setting it up. Maybe you have too many words, maybe you're this, maybe you're that. Maybe you're looking down at the ground, you need to look into the audience a little bit.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:45Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 45:45Speaker 02

  I learned, uh, excuse me, you know, you're always learning, right? But I just rewatched the Gary Shandling doc, the HBO one. And he talks at the beginning of that, he talks about when Mitzi Shore said to him, "Honey, you're not a comic." "You're not a comic, you're a writer." And then he was so determined to be a comic, and he was like, and you're seeing his notes from his journals from that time.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  And he's like, "Use your face, your expressions matter at these moments, and your energy, and the way you look." And I was like, "Oh, my god, man."

• 46:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  It's just, and then you watch his standup, and you go, "I can see what he's talking about." You see him go like, from this to...

• 46:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, he worked at it.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  And you're like, "Yeah, it's fucking fascinating."

• 46:27Joe Rogan?

  You're not a comic, you're a writer. I can see her saying that. Bro, if she said it to me, I'd quit. I'd be like, "Fuck, this is over."

• 46:36Speaker 02

  The, uh, uh, who was the guy that used to run the comic strip, uh, in, in New York?

• 46:43Joe Rogan?

  Louis?

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Uh, not Louis, um, um, the guy that passed away. Uh, uh, he had the mustache, do you remember what I'm talking about?

• 46:53Joe Rogan?

  You mean the guy that got murdered?

• 46:54Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 46:55Joe Rogan?

  No, that's at the stand.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  The, yes, that's Dave Kimmelwitz, rest in peace.

• 46:59Joe Rogan?

  Who, who passed away at the comic strip?

• 47:01Speaker 02

  There was that guy that was kinda legendary in New York that ran the comic strip. He was the booker, and when you auditioned, you had to audition for him, and then he would take you into a room and tell you... Lucian!

• 47:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Lucian, yes, that's right.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Uh, I remember I auditioned for him, desperately trying to get in anywhere in New York.

• 47:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Lucian was brutal.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  He brought me in the room, he sat me down, he goes...

• 47:26Speaker 02

  Uh, what can I say? I mean, some of the jokes work, but I don't believe you and uh, then he goes, "Look at the way you dress. You clearly have no pride in your appearance." And I was like, "Jesus Christ."

• 47:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was brutal. I don't remember what he said to me, but it was also not favorable. He would like occasionally give me spots, but I think he thought I was too dirty.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Oh, boy.

• 47:48Joe Rogan?

  But I was 21. I didn't have anything to say. I had nothing to say.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  How long were you in New York? You were out of New York way before I came to New York, but how long were you there for?

• 47:59Joe Rogan?

  I left New York when I was 25. Twenty, almost 26, I guess. No, I had to be 26. No, I was 26. Um, and then I came to California initially for this Fox show that I did with Jim Brewer. Jim Brewer was the, um, he was the mascot for the other team. And the, it was a baseball team. Called, it was called Hardball.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  It was a sitcom?

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, terrible show, terrible show. So I moved out here for that and then that got canceled.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  You know what's funny, dude? Uh, I was saying this to all the boys out in the, in the, uh, outside area here.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  I go, "I gotta tell Joe this, cause I keep forgetting to tell him." Cause I, cause I always forget, "Oh, he was on that show." I, I, you know, news radio during COVID saved my fucking life, dude. I swear to you.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  Did you binge it?

• 48:49Speaker 02

  I was so, I was living in an apartment that only had windows in the bedroom, so I had no light in my apartment.

• 48:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  It was a tenement building. The hallway, I was telling the guys outside, I was like, "The hallway..."

• 49:00Joe Rogan?

  You were trapped in a place with no light at all?

• 49:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. The hallway in this building was, the hallway looked like the alley behind the Wuhan lab. I was like, I'm gonna get COVID from the fucking railing. It was like, it was so gross. Everybody was so freaked out. Nobody knew what was going on, like in the beginning and, um... And I was like, dude, I'm trapped. I'm alone. Like, this is the worst thing ever. And my buddy Pat Walsh, who I do my, we'll see you on Hell Podcast with, he said, listen, man, have you seen News Radio? And I said, no, I've never seen it. I missed it when it was on. And he goes, look, Amazon's got the whole series right now for 20 bucks. Just buy it and watch it.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  And I bought it and I watched it and you, fucking Dave Foley, the best, Phil Hartman. I was just like, Steven, oh my god.

• 49:53Joe Rogan?

  Vicky Lewis.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  It just.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  Candy Alexander, Maura Tierney.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a great cast.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  It just took me, because it was so fun, it was so silly, it was classic, it reminded me of a better time, because it was a little bit older, because it was from the 90s.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, almost innocent.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 50:12Joe Rogan?

  That style of comedy.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:14Joe Rogan?

  So silly. It's like, it's a fun thing to do. And to be able to do it that way, like with those people, they're all so fucking good, you know, and I didn't know, I had fucking zero acting experience. I did a couple of episodes of that Hardball show. It was terrible, like I said. I wasn't good on it either.

• 50:33Joe Rogan?

  I'm not a good actor.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  No, you're not. No, no, no, no, no, no. I wasn't saying, no, you're not a good actor. I'm saying, no, you're wrong. I want to compliment you. Sitcom multicam acting, multicam, is very different from single cam. Multicam, in my opinion, is the hardest form of acting.

• 50:52Joe Rogan?

  No, dude, you're doing it in front of a crowd. It's like stand-up. It's not that hard. You know, when you've got a good one, when you got a good punchline and you can look Andy Dick in the face and say, because it says it on the label, like whatever it is, and you know it's going to get a big laugh? It's just like doing stand-up. Like, comics thrive in those multicam sitcoms. That's why they kept giving them to like Roseanne, Seinfeld, Brett Butler, they wanted every, Tim Allen.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  Everybody that could do stand-up.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Could do that kind of, in front of an audience, acting.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  See, I think, I think you're not giving yourself enough credit. I think it's, I think, I agree with you, the idea that if the joke's there, you can land it. But think about it like this with stand-up, right?

• 51:35Speaker 02

  You know, Woody Allen once said, "I used to think it was as easy as just writing a good joke, and if I said it, it was fine." And he goes, "Then I realized that wasn't the case. I had to write good jokes that were of my personality." And that's why I'm so enamored by guys that are good at multi-cam sitcom acting, because they're writing something for a character you're playing. And if it's knowing how to land the joke, but also making it believable. I'm in awe of Kevin James.

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's the man.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  I'm in awe of him. You watch King of Queens, and I'm like, "Jesus Christ." He delivered that line that nine out of 10 other people, it would be in no way organic or believable, that choice he just made. And he does it in a way where you believe that's actually who this person is, and it gets a laugh, like...

• 52:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was one of the last of the great sitcoms.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  Right? Because like, what, when did the sitcom officially die? The only one who has a sitcom right now that I know is Miss Pat. And hers is on the BET app.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:35Joe Rogan?

  Um, but who else? Who else do you know that has a sitcom?

• 52:39Speaker 02

  No, but my buddy Pat I just mentioned works on that show, actually. And I agree.

• 52:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, Shane has a sitcom, but St. Shane's Tires is not really a sitcom. It's a single-camera comedy show.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:51Joe Rogan?

  It's not a situation comedy, right? Is it?

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Well, it's a si- it is-

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  Is it a sitcom, technically?

• 52:56Speaker 02

  It is, it, it, yes, but it's a single cam. Like, the multi-cam is the, is the traditional whatever. But I, I think it died- This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact: Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer, on average, than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild, and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. I buy one, The Farmer's Dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it, they eat it up quick. It smells good to them, it smells good to me, it's human-grade food.

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• 55:13Joe Rogan?

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• 55:22Speaker 02

  I was watching, I also watched this later during COVID, Rules of Engagement, which was David Spade's last sitcom. It was him and Patrick Warburton. I don't know if you remember that show.

• 55:35Joe Rogan?

  Patrick Warburton was on a news radio bit, too. He was? A couple of episodes, yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  I forget how many he did.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Um, but that show came out in like, I think it ended in like 2017-ish.

• 55:50Joe Rogan?

  So that was probably the last one?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  2013.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  2013, wow. So you watch it and they're getting jokes in where you're like, you can tell two years later, they wouldn't have allowed any of these jokes.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  You know what a show that I used to shit on until I watched it? It was a really good show. I feel bad that I used to shit on it. Big Bang Theory.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, Big Bang Theory is funny.

• 56:09Joe Rogan?

  It's funny, man. It's a good show.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:11Joe Rogan?

  It's that kind of a thing. Like if you, if that's what you want, you want like a fun.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  Sitcom. That's a fun sitcom, man. And I, I had always thought it was crap.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:20Joe Rogan?

  I'd always heard it was crap, everybody, and I'd made this judgment on it based on other people's opinions of it.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  And we were talking earlier about what people hate on something.

• 56:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Big Bang Theory, one of the most hated on sitcoms.

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, it went forever.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  Went forever.

• 56:34Joe Rogan?

  Was the number one show in the world.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  I worked with Johnny Galecki. He was the fucking man. The coolest dude ever.

• 56:41Joe Rogan?

  Which one's he?

• 56:42Speaker 02

  He's the kid that was on Roseanne. The guy with the glasses. He was kinda like the main dude outside of Sheldon. Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 56:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right, right. Yes, yes, yes.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  The man. I got drunk with him and fell down the stairs of his house.

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, luckily you didn't need insurance.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:02Joe Rogan?

  That would've been another story. And then they fucked me over.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:05Joe Rogan?

  Bro, speaking about getting fucked over, wanna hear a story that I've read today? Um, Jamie, find out if this is true, but I'm pretty sure it is. There was a guy who decided that he was gonna leave Texas because of the woke direction that America is going in. And so he decides to go to Russia. Cause there's some guy, some American set up like an expat community in Russia.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  And this guy goes in there and then they conscript him for the army and send him to the front line. Father who moved from, family from Russia to escape woke America is sent to the front line.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 57:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 57:43Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy story.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  With his family, with his wife and his daughters. He just moved there, doesn't know anything about the culture. And all of a sudden, you're in the army.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 57:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're in the army. We need you.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  And by the way, fed up with woke America, I would think Texas is a place where...

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you put, Texas is too woke for you. You need to go spend a couple of months in Silver Lake.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  You think Texas is too woke?

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

• 58:13Joe Rogan?

  Go hang out in the East Village for a couple of weeks.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Oh my god. Yeah, yeah. I lived in Silver Lake. It is, it is...

• 58:20Joe Rogan?

  Insufferable.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Fascistly woke in Silver Lake.

• 58:22Joe Rogan?

  It's insufferable. Everybody needs antidepressants. No one has any vitamin D. They're all fucking, they're all rotting out from the inside. They're all overwhelmed with anxiety, trying to control everyone's speech and behavior. And like, every fucking flag that you can possibly wave for what you support. What are we on this week? What are we doing this week? Like, everyone's fucking nuts.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  I think a city, that was always one of my big gripes with, with life in LA, or more specifically Hollywood. I think a city where you have to drive to get to the bar, you, you, you got a problem. Because nobody's able to just go out the front door, go down the street and just have some fun.

• 59:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Everything is, it's gotta be planned, it's gotta be this, it's gotta be that.

• 59:08Joe Rogan?

  Hard to park.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, so nobody cuts loose.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  Also, you're always in your car. So you're always isolated from other people.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:14Joe Rogan?

  Until you integrate, and then you're back to my isolation. In New York, you're, you have to integrate. Like, you're just, you get on the subway, you walk down the street, everybody's there with everybody.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Yep. Dude.

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  There's something to be said for that.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  There is. I always, when I lived in LA, I said the reason I don't like LA, I always said the ultimate goal of people in LA is isolation, the ultimate goal of people in New York is integration. In LA, the big dream is what? Let me get the-

• 59:38Joe Rogan?

  Mansion.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, the house way up in these hills and there's-

• 59:41Joe Rogan?

  Big old gate with dogs and fucking dudes on-

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:44Joe Rogan?

  Sniper posts.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Guys being like, "I got an eye scanner on my house."

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  Turrets, machine guns.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, and, and the only people, and then they have these parties in LA where they hire a staff to create the environment of a bar in their home. So now they've create, there's like catering waiters walking around and shit. And you're like, "Guys, I'm just trying to play beer pong and like get fucked up. Like, what is this?" Right?

• 1:00:09Joe Rogan?

  So weird.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  But New York, you could be top floor Trump Tower. Guess what? You walk out the front door, you're going to the same shit newsstand that I'm going to. You're getting your coffee from the same fucking place.

• 1:00:20Joe Rogan?

  That's another thing New York still has, newsstands.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  People still buy the newspaper.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Isn't that wild?

• 1:00:25Joe Rogan?

  The actual newspaper. I wonder what percentage of newspapers get sold in New York City?

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  That's a great question.

• 1:00:32Joe Rogan?

  Because nobody's buying newspapers anymore.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:00:34Joe Rogan?

  Like, what percen- is it possible to find out when New York Times give that information out? Like, what percentage of the New York Times, when it's consumed in paper form, is purchased in New York City?

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  It's, it's, uh, it, it, it's probably the most out of anywhere, right? Because there's so many old school New Yorkers that are like, "This is how you read the news." That's part of their life.

• 1:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Getting the Times every morning, going home.

• 1:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Those people are a problem. Those people don't, they don't know they're getting fucked. They don't know the internet. They haven't made their way through Reddit yet.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  The, uh, Billy Connolly-

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  They haven't seen the Fauci memes.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  Billy Connolly had this joke, and after he got sober, where he was talking about living in New York, and he goes, "Every morning, my routine is I walk to the newsstand, I buy a cup of coffee and the, the morning edition of the New York Times. My life is a ball of fire."

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  And then the funniest part of the joke is he said there was the same homeless guy every day that he would give money to. And he said, one day, the homeless guy goes, you know, you don't have to give me money every day. And he goes, I know you I don't. You little fucking cunt.

• 1:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Jesus. It's better with a Scottish accent, right?

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  It is. Yeah, it is.

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes, there's something to be said for living jammed up with people. But I think ultimately, the problem is, it's just overstimulation. I don't think it's good for peace of mind. I think it's good for energy. It's one of the things that my friends that love it there, they all talk about like my friend Jeff, who's been there forever. He's like, I love the energy of the city. I'm like, really?

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Energy.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  New York's one of those places, man, when I loved it. God, I loved it. And I still have a lot of love for the city. It wasn't for me to live in anymore. But I always said, like, New York is one of those cities, whenever you get there.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  What doesn't matter what year it is, when you get there, that begins your impression of the best version of New York. And eventually, might take five years, might take two decades, might take 30 years, whatever. Eventually, you're going to say, this isn't what it used to be anymore. But there's a crop of people coming in right at that time that are saying, this is the best place ever. And 30 years from now, they're going to say they're tired of it or whatever. But.

• 1:02:50Joe Rogan?

  Listen, buddy, 30 years from now, we're all going to be serving robots. Okay, so all this good old day stuff, we are the last people.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:58Joe Rogan?

  That are going to talk about the good old days.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  We're the last ones.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I agree with you. We'll be serving robots.

• 1:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  Not robots are going to be, yeah.

• 1:03:06Joe Rogan?

  I remember people used to talk, people used to talk about the good old days of Times Square. And I was always like, you're crazy. Like, you want Times Square to be filled with criminals and peep shows and fucking drug dealers? And it was super sketchy.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Super sketchy. And then I saw it the way it is now, where it's a giant Applebee's. And I was like, oh, they were right.

• 1:03:28Joe Rogan?

  It's all, you know, it's like, it's one of those things like you see where it's going. You see where it's going, you're like, you guys don't understand, this is going, this is going in a terrible direction. You just, this is just the first steps of something going in a terrible direction.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Like at first you think it's good, because there's no more peep shows, there's no more, you know, street hustlers and scary people trying to rob people. But now you have the corporatization of one of the, literally the wildest places in New York City was Times Square. It was a wild ass crazy place.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. What you want, what you want to me, the analogy is you want the perfect dive bar. That's what, that's what we all want. Feels comfortable.

• 1:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Little gritty.

• 1:04:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  But I feel okay. Once in a while you'll go, let's find a dive bar and you walk in and there's too many boxes in the corner and nothing works and you're like, something's not right here. There was a one we used to go to in LA, there was a motel upstairs and the bar downstairs only served two things, Modelo and Corona. And we were like, there is some sort of pimping operation or something happening in here. It's too much.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of places like that, that you know are losing money. You're like, oh, is it Chinese Triads own this? Like, who owns this fucking business? Like, how is this business still open?

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But you want, you want perfect dive bar vibes.

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  You know, when it's too, New York, Times Square now is like, it's like going to a bar in Epcot Center. And you're like, oh God, this has no pulse. I didn't want it this clean. Not this clean.

• 1:05:00Joe Rogan?

  When I was a kid, I used to play pool in New York at Chelsea Billiards. It's a 24 hour pool hall that was known throughout the world as a place where like the best pool players in New York City would go and gamble. So I'd go there two, three o'clock in the morning, any given night, and you would find some of the best players in the world matching up, playing pool for money.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was amazing. And it was just 24/7. It was open all the time. So there's like guys who were street hustlers, who were pool hustlers, who would sleep under the tables. There was a bunch of people there that were like really talented pool players, but they were basically homeless. And they would just run around and my friend that I was telling you about that smoked crack, that's how I knew him. He was, he was basically a homeless crackhead who was a genius pool player. Yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  Did you ever get to play against any of the like, big guys?

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I got my ass kicked. I played at a bunch of tournaments. I wasn't nearly good enough back then to play against those guys. I was just learning pool, but I was fascinated by it. But it was just the place, the kind of thing that you'd have in New York City. There was all these different places we could go. We could go to like, ten, fifteen places that were pool halls in New York City. There were twenty-four hours. And you would go there, and this one was a complete Chinese-owned place. You would go there and, like, some of them you would go to. Not Chelsea, but some of them you would go to. They were off the beaten path. You'd go there. Everyone spoke Chinese. They had Chinese on the wall. They did speak a little bit of English. You could pay them for table time. You'd go and play, and you'd watch these dudes gambling there, too.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  It's, it's one of, one of my, that, that version of New York, I think, is probably, I would think, extinct.

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  It's not, it's not worth enough money.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:33Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, like, if you could put some Louis Vuitton store in the place where that used to be, that's gonna make a lot more money.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Seedy twenty-four-hour pool hall that charges twenty bucks an hour for table time.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44Joe Rogan?

  That's ridiculous. How are you getting rich?

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:46Joe Rogan?

  How are you getting rich off twenty dollars an hour of table time?

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  The Louis Vuittons store also doesn't have crackheads sleeping under the purses.

• 1:06:52Joe Rogan?

  But it was so fun, man. It was like, to be a young man and to be around all those people was like, a very, it, it was a very interesting experience, because although I knew it wasn't healthy for them, and I knew it wasn't a smart way to live your life, the fact that they were like, dedicated to never doing anything but what they were doing, and they were smart people, man.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's, it's,

• 1:07:16Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking weird.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  Commitment is admirable, but that turns into a, that gets into the zone where you're like, this is, this is dark.

• 1:07:23Joe Rogan?

  It was totally dark, but they just didn't fit. They didn't fit, okay? Like, just like you barely fit in that senate office. They didn't fit at all. They just couldn't do it. They have, with ADHD, stepmom beat them with a belt, whatever the fuck it was. It's, they're not gonna fit.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  They're not gonna fit in whatever corporate cookie-cutter life. But they had a place in pool halls where they, they could hang out with other misfits. And that was like, a big part of the charm of the place. It was a magnet for misfits.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and now they're all DoorDash delivery guys, probably.

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  They're probably dead. I know a lot of them are dead. A lot of dudes that I used to play with are dead.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  One of the things that I cherish most about my New York experience was when I first got there. It's how I became friends with the tell.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Dave liked to go out back then, you know? And Insomnia, or Insomniac was on the air, that show he hosted where he would, you know, go out into the cities.

• 1:08:21Joe Rogan?

  And get obliterated.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, so Dave, I liked to drink and Dave was like, Joe, man, you're a nice kid, come out with me. And he would take me to these after, he knew every fucking after hours place.

• 1:08:34Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  We had a fucking blast. And Etelle was classic. He was like Batman. You'd be doing shots with him for three hours and you'd turn around and he was gone.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Didn't want to say goodbye.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Fuck this, I'm just leaving.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you're literally like, I'm on Avenue D, I think, where the fuck am I right now?

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  And he didn't have GPS back then either.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  No GPS, no Uber?

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  No Uber.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  No Uber, and broke comic couldn't afford cabs, so trying to figure out how to subway back to Queens where I lived.

• 1:09:03Joe Rogan?

  God, at three in the morning.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Oh my god, three, sometimes five, six.

• 1:09:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. That's the other thing, bars in New York City open till 4 a.m.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's getting lesser and lesser too though, man. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. When we opened-

• 1:09:17Joe Rogan?

  But it's legal still.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  When we opened, uh-

• 1:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Is it legal still?

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, it is, but there's, when we opened Joey Rose's, we got a liquor license, because there's a bar component. And, um,

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  that we, you know, when we went in for the liquor, I learned so much about a liquor license when we did that. You probably did too, when you opened Mothership. There's, there's like all these rules, like, okay, you're allowed to serve till midnight on these nights, but not till two. And we'll let you go to two on these nights, but not till four. And if you want to go till four, it has to be in this type of location where this type of activity will never happen. Meaning like, a DJ that can offend neighbors because of the bass, or, or it's got to be situated in a way where people will not be congregating outside, because the venue is large enough to hold them. There's all this shit, but like, that 4 a.m. shit is going away. I don't think, I don't think they want it in New York anymore because of,

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  you know, people get fucked up and they're puking outside, and then the residents are getting pissed off and-

• 1:10:17Joe Rogan?

  What do you think is gonna happen if this, uh, how do you say his name? Mondani guy?

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  I don't know how to say his name, but I-

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Does that guy say his name, Jimmy?

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Mom Donnie.

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  So, it's like.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  Say it again?

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  Zorron, almost like the movie, I think.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Say the whole name?

• 1:10:35Speaker 05

  Mom Donnie.

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna use that as my ringtone from now on.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  Mom Donnie.

• 1:10:41Joe Rogan?

  You saying that?

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Mom Donnie. I admittedly know very little about this guy. All I really know is is half the people seem excited and half the people seem like it's the worst thing ever, so par for the course, I guess, in politics.

• 1:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, young people are very excited.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Young people think they're gonna, we're gonna give communism a try. Yay, let's see what happens. I know he wants to jack up a lot of taxes for businesses. I don't understand business enough to comment on that. I don't know whether that would be beneficial overall for the net good of everybody or not, but I'm always skeptical when they want more money.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Does he want to jack up taxes on all businesses or just?

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  Certain level businesses?

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I think he wants to change the tax code in New York to be the same for businesses as it is for New Jersey, which is a little higher. Believe it or not, New Jersey's a little higher than New York.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  That city is making it, in my opinion,

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  absolutely impossible for mom and pop businesses to continue to function. And it's starting to happen more and more everywhere.

• 1:11:44Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's a shame, because that's one of the coolest things about New York City, is that you can go at these little mom and pop shops. We went to a sandwich shop, I wish I could remember the name of it, near where Taylor Swift's house is. Taylor Swift used to own a house there. This is how we know that.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:01Joe Rogan?

  There was a bunch of gals. We parked over in the, we parked on the street to eat our sandwiches. And we're like, what the fuck is going on at that house? And there's all these girls would pause in front of the house, and they would get pictures taken. They would, you know, and have like their perfect angle and look cute in front of Taylor Swift's house. So these fucking poor people that used to, you know, they bought this house, thinking this is dope house. They might not have even known, or they thought it'd be cool. It used to be Taylor Swift, but everyone's gonna know it's not anymore, so no big deal. No, they take pictures in front of your house every day.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  That's so funny. The juxtaposition of those images, a bunch of hot chicks posing perfectly, and then a bunch of dudes in a hot car eating hoagies.

• 1:12:40Joe Rogan?

  From like the most classic, old school Italian deli that we found in, in wherever that area is.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  What? Do you know, you don't remember the part of town at all?

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't. I could find it if I wanted to go through my phone. I could find it because I sent it to my friend Tommy when we were going down there, but...

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  I feel like I have to know the place you're talking about. If, I, I, it's probably a place I've been, I feel like I've been to every sandwich place in New York City.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  Anyway, it was good.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  It was really good.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 1:13:09Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, it's a mom and pop spot that's been there since like 19 fucking 60 or some shit.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, been there forever.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  I mean, look at Katz's now, dude. Now, part of this is-

• 1:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Katz's is the best.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Part of this is tourism. Their sandwiches are 29 fucking dollars now.

• 1:13:25Joe Rogan?

  Shut up and just pay them. They've been around since the 1800s. Stop being a bitch. It's worth it. It's worth 50 bucks. Those are the greatest fucking sandwiches on the known planet.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  I was a-

• 1:13:35Joe Rogan?

  When you go there at 2 o'clock in the morning and you get a fucking pastrami ruben from Katz's Deli at 2 o'clock in the morning with the steak fries, oh my god.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  It's a nice lifesaver late night, yeah.

• 1:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  I was a big Carnegie Deli guy.

• 1:13:49Joe Rogan?

  Carnegie's great.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  They're gone.

• 1:13:50Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  They're gone.

• 1:15:28Joe Rogan?

  You know Jerry's famous deli in LA was amazing. I think they're all gone. I think they closed a bunch of them. They closed the one near where I used to live in Woodland Hills. And then they closed the one in Studio City, I believe, which was the big one.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  Wait, is Jerry's? What's the one that just got shut down for health code stuff? The one that had the Godmother, the Italian sandwich that everybody loved? And everybody goes down near the beach, I think.

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  I don't know that story.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  I think...

• 1:15:56Joe Rogan?

  You're in the restaurant business, son.

• 1:15:59Joe Rogan?

  You know restaurant rumors and gossip. And you're like, "You know the one? They, they, the code violation?" Like, "What?" What fucking Google News feed are you on? You're on a different Google News feed than me.

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  You know restaurants per Taylor Swift. That's your barometer. You're like, "It's this close to Taylor Swift's house." That's all I know.

• 1:16:18Joe Rogan?

  I just imagine being those poor people. Bay, what is it?

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  Bay Cities.

• 1:16:23Joe Rogan?

  Godmother, B.C. Deli.

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  Something just happened where they, they shut down for a while.

• 1:16:26Joe Rogan?

  That's in LA?

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:29Joe Rogan?

  And they got in trouble for something?

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  I don't know if they got in trouble. I want to make sure I'm not speaking out of, out of school here. Yeah, Health Department, yeah.

• 1:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Shut down for what?

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  I think they were pretty, oh, it says the word vermin. That's never good.

• 1:16:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's not good. They got hit with rats.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  God, that's a.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  See, everybody hates the coyotes in LA.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:47Joe Rogan?

  But if you don't have coyotes, you have rats.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:50Joe Rogan?

  You have a lot more rats than you do have.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:51Joe Rogan?

  You need them to keep the, you guys are fucked up.

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  Temporary closure, working to reopen.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they gotta kill all the rats.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  I hope they fix it. I'll tell you, that's the thing I never expected in New York.

• 1:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Rats?

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like you open a food place in New York, you open anything in New York, rats is on your checklist.

• 1:17:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  Of what you have to be ready to deal with. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy. And the city just acts like, well.

• 1:17:16Joe Rogan?

  That's the city.

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  That's your problem.

• 1:17:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, rats. Everybody has rats.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Why don't you fix the rats thing a little bit?

• 1:17:20Joe Rogan?

  They cannot.

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17:21Joe Rogan?

  They cannot.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Those rats got bold during, they evolved during COVID, dude.

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  They walk right up to you now in New York. They didn't used to do that. Rats used to scurry if they saw anybody. They walk up to you now. Like, it's wild. They evolved. I, I heard a thing.

• 1:17:37Joe Rogan?

  They probably had to get more aggressive to survive because all the food got cut off because there was no restaurants open.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Well, also too, the places that were shut down, so many shut their doors but left their stock and abandoned ship. So the rats got in there and it was fucking, you know, it was Charlotte's Web, the, the fucking, the rat at the picnic, whatever that fucking, Templeton. Uh, they just had a field day. Um, but somebody told me, a construction guy told me once, he goes, dude, rats are some of the smartest fucking creatures on earth. He goes scaffolding, when they're scaffolding on a building, when they, when they're doing work on a building, it opens everything up and, and rats tend to come. He said sometimes what they'll do is they'll hang dead rats from the scaffolding and other rats will see the dead rats and go, don't fuck with that place. Isn't that fucking crazy?

• 1:18:21Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  If they see a dead rat, they run. Well, I would.

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Done no research to see if it's true.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  If I go into a neighborhood on horseback and I see a dude fucking hanging by the front door, I'm like, oh, this is not a good spot to stop. Let's keep moving.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  We had to put in, in the basement when we were sealing off some, um, and potential entry points. Cause you really gotta seal your basement off. That's a key thing in New York.

• 1:18:49Joe Rogan?

  Ken, is it possible to seal it off from rats?

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  How about this, dude? Ready for this?

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  We had to seal off some potential entry points that the previous tenant had left. The, the exterminator guy we brought in, he goes, uh, here's how you have to do this. You have to mix glass with the concrete. So if a rat does try to chew through it, it will get hurt from the glass and it will not try to do it again. If you just have concrete, they will eat through the fucking concrete.

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  To create a hole.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  It's insane!

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  And they can get through like a nickel sized hole.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  Oh, it's insane.

• 1:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, their bones are flexible.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's insane. They're fascinating creatures and also disgusting.

• 1:19:26Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever watch the Netflix series on them? The documentary, Rats?

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  The thing the guy that died did, supersized me, right?

• 1:19:34Joe Rogan?

  Is that his?

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  It is his?

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. He died, right?

• 1:19:39Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Um, I don't, I didn't know that that was his, but it's really good. It's, it, it's, and it talks about all the different diseases they carry. And then, um, all over the country, like there's rats everywhere. And one of the things that they cover is the amount of rats that are in New York City. Where it's like, it's all an assumption. They don't know, they never met, weighed them, but they think the biomass of rats is equal to the biomass of people.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  I don't doubt it.

• 1:20:06Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how crazy that is, dude?

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how crazy, if that's true, that is so nuts. That's, that's so many rats, like you'll never get them out of there.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  It's fucking insane. It looked, there's, there's shots in that movie where they're so on top of each other, it looks like World War, remember when World War Z came out? And like they did the thing in that movie where the zombies like literally snowballed?

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  It looks like that.

• 1:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  Except with rats.

• 1:20:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, with rats. And where are they getting enough food to sustain these insane numbers?

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  Well, they eat concrete, apparently.

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, dude. Have you ever seen a rat set off a rat trap with a stick?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  No, this is what I'm talking about, though, dude.

• 1:20:46Joe Rogan?

  We watched a vid, now, here's the thing. It's, there's a camera set up in front of this rat trap, so you don't know if they taught the rat to do it. But just the fact that you could teach a rat how to set off a rat trap so that it could eat the food that's on the trap. Watch how he does it, because he does it with a stick, dude.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, watch this. So here's the, check this out. So the rat comes in, he's like, oh, I know what this shit is. This is designed to fucking kill me. Oh, I see, springs, okay, cool, cool. Go over here and trip that motherfucker. So he comes back with a stick, dude.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  I mean, how crazy is that? Now, watch, watch when the trap goes off. He doesn't even flinch. He doesn't even flinch.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's probably done this a hundred times. When the trap flips, if this is a real video, and I don't know that it's a real video, the only thing that makes me think it's a real video, and it's gonna sound crazy, is that it's from like two years ago.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  Two years ago, you used to be able to tell if something was fake.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Joe Rogan?

  That's how nuts the world's gotten.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  I know, dude. I know. I'm watching a channel on YouTube. It's called Skywalker Stories. And it's a guy that with, with AI, creates these little Star Wars vignettes of things all the fans always wanted to see, but we never got to see.

• 1:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  They're fucking awesome. They're awesome. But dude, he'll make it with like, it'll be Luke, but like Return of the Jedi Luke.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Like Mark Hamill. Young Mark Hamill.

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  This is it?

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  Look at this, dude.

• 1:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, this is all AI?

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  Look at this!

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  The voices even.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, dude. Oh, this is incredible.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  It's nuts!

• 1:22:28Joe Rogan?

  This is AI?

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, this is, we're fucked, dude.

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  We're done.

• 1:22:33Joe Rogan?

  This is so good.

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  And it's, he sounds exactly like Mark Hamill. He looks, it's crazy, dude.

• 1:22:39Joe Rogan?

  It's, it looks better than like the video that you would get back then.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:22:46Joe Rogan?

  It's so much clearer. Keep it going, dude. Are we gonna get in trouble for this? We're just promoting them. Star Wars, Luke Skywalker encounters Darth Bane on Korraban.

• 1:22:59Speaker 05

  Check his hand, watch his hand. Five fingers there.

• 1:23:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:03Speaker 05

  Six fingers there. Five fingers there, six fingers there.

• 1:23:06Joe Rogan?

  Six fingers?

• 1:23:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:08Joe Rogan?

  Pause it.

• 1:23:10Speaker 05

  Five, six.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Where's the six? That looks like five.

• 1:23:13Speaker 05

  It just switched.

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh. When did he have six? One, two, three, four.

• 1:23:18Speaker 05

  It blends, see that index finger?

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  No. Jamie, you're like a wizard. How are you catching this shit, dog? How are you catching that?

• 1:23:32Joe Rogan?

  Alright, this is a little weak. I would've got a better voice actor for that.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  This kid's, this kid's working in a garage.

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you know who had the fucking creepiest? I watched it again, uh, on the flight yesterday, um, the, uh, the newest Nosferatu?

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Robert, Robert Eggers.

• 1:23:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the, the dude who played, um, Pennywise?

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, uh, uh, Bill Skarsgård.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  He's fucking amazing in this movie.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  He's a great actor.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  It's the best vampire movie of all time.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  He's a great actor. He's a great actor.

• 1:24:05Joe Rogan?

  That movie is creepy.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  I liked it. I thought it was beautifully shot. My favorite will always be Coppola, Francis Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's Dracula.

• 1:24:13Joe Rogan?

  That was a great one.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  The one with Hopkins and Oldman.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman was incredible.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Still, Oldman's-

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  John O'Reeves, Winona Ryder.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:22Joe Rogan?

  That was a classic.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Oldman still scares me in that movie.

• 1:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he was amazing. But that was, it's interesting because that broke ground, right? Because that was the first, like, mind bending of the vampire movies. Like, he was a mind bender. Like, he would transform states in front of you. He was there, he was gone, he was an old man, all of a sudden. It was like a mind bending, almost like psychedelic vampire.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Can I tell you the two things that took me out of Nosferatu?

• 1:24:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, please do.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  I don't want to ruin it for you.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  His dick?

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:24:50Joe Rogan?

  He stood up with the dick?

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  No, that was fine.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  I said the cons, not the bros.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  No, I didn't like that he had a mustache.

• 1:25:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I loved that.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  That bothered me that Dracula is trimming his mustache every morning.

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  I love it. I loved it.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  And this is not Robert Eggers' fault. This is the original story, but it finally dawned on me in every Dracula story. It's always based on him trying to buy real estate to go to London, and I'm like, why does he need a house? I don't understand. He's Dracula.

• 1:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's gotta have a place to put his coffin at night, dog.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  I guess so.

• 1:25:24Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Totally makes sense.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  He could just go run the fucking city if he wanted.

• 1:25:28Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no. There's another one that's really good.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Underrated. Last Voyage of the Demeter.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  I saw that. I liked it. I liked it. Yeah.

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  Underrated. A little obvious with the CGI, right?

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:40Joe Rogan?

  A little like that doesn't look real. Like they weren't quite where they're at now.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:44Joe Rogan?

  Which is pretty crazy, because that was just a few years ago.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  So, interesting movie trivia. Last Voyage was originally supposed to be an actual prequel to the Coppola movie. It was actually supposed to, because remember in the Coppola movie, there's the, they showed the sequence where there's the blood hitting the sails and all that stuff?

• 1:26:04Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  That was actually supposed to be a legit, connected prequel, which god damn, could you imagine if that movie was fucking Gary Oldman?

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Dracula?

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Gary Oldman and Coppola directing it? Oh my god, that would be insane.

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  So, yeah, no.

• 1:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Gary Oldman was such a good Dracula.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:26:23Joe Rogan?

  Woo! He believed.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  Remember when he accidentally, um, Keanu Reeves accidentally gets a cut? And he licks the fucking blade?

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:26:34Joe Rogan?

  It's the creepiest fucking, ooh.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  And it's, that's testament to Oldman. He's like, he's not, he doesn't just lick it, he's like trembling while he, like, it's like, it's almost like sexual, you know?

• 1:26:47Joe Rogan?

  It's like Hunter Biden with crack.

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  That's what it was. Like, pull it up, pull it up, Jamie.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  Can we pull up the video of Dracula talking about why blood is so good?

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  When he accidentally cuts Keanu Reeves. He's like shaving him or something, right?

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, Keanu shaving, yeah, oh yeah, he comes by him and starts shaving him.

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  He's shaving Keanu, which is even creepier. You got Dracula and a straight edge razor.

• 1:27:12Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:27:13Joe Rogan?

  That's what it was, right?

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Look at that castle.

• 1:27:18Joe Rogan?

  30th of May.

• 1:27:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is not what I want to hear. Scooch up a little bit. Here it goes.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  Ah, great.

• 1:27:45Speaker 00

  A foul bowl of men's vanity. Perhaps you should grow dear.

• 1:28:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro. Hunter Biden and crack, right there.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's good. That's good.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Joe Rogan?

  Scar's Guard is better. The Scar's Guard Nosferatu is scarier, it's creepier, it's more supernatural, it's different.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  Now.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  That, the problem was the makeup back then looked goofy.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  Oldman, when he turns into the bat?

• 1:28:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's wild, dude.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  When he looks like the bat monster?

• 1:28:31Joe Rogan?

  See if you can get to... Is he in there?

• 1:28:34Speaker 05

  Trailer, I don't think he is.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Nah, they don't, they like show him maybe like in shadow.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  I don't think they like really show him.

• 1:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Have it Nosferatu pops out of the coffin. There, that's what he looked like. You could see that image, that's when he's dying at the end.

• 1:28:48Speaker 05

  Spoiler alert, bang.

• 1:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Spoiler, um, get to that picture in the middle where you see the bluish one. Yeah, like that one. That's what he looked like. Bro. It was way creepier.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  It's a great look.

• 1:29:00Joe Rogan?

  It was way creepier.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  I don't want the mustache.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  The mustache makes it. It makes it. It was amazing. And it was creepy in that movie, like, he tricked him into signing over his wife in a contract, cause he did it in my native tongue.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  It's like the way he's talking, here it is. Here, give me some volume on this.

• 1:29:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it doesn't, uh, doesn't pop up?

• 1:29:25Speaker 05

  Into you.

• 1:29:27Joe Rogan?

  He didn't pop up?

• 1:29:28Speaker 05

  No, I cut it off. I think it's too news still to be on YouTube.

• 1:29:31Joe Rogan?

  He'd pop up, he'd get to see his dick.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  They're also...

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  Fully naked vampire. It was a, that was a terrifying vamp, that was the best vampire movie I think ever.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  And I will say too, that's the first, and I've seen a lot of vampire movies.

• 1:29:45Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  That's the first one I've ever seen. Where they, where he sleeps naked. And you're like, well, of course he'd sleep naked. They always have him sleeping in his cape and everything.

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  When you got a hog like Dracula does.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  You want, you want to let that motherfucker hair out.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:00Joe Rogan?

  He had a hog on him.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  Do you like horror movies a lot?

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Love them.

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:05Joe Rogan?

  I love horror movies. I love a good one, a really good one.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:08Joe Rogan?

  It just, um, I'm really looking forward to the, um, the new Frankenstein.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  I'm excited about that.

• 1:30:14Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna be great.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  I'm excited about that. And Edgar's next movie, or Edgar's-

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Killian Murphy as Dr. Frankenstein is gonna be fucking insane.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  I'm excited about Frankenstein and, and, uh, his next movie is, uh, it's called, it's called Werewolf. And it's a werewolf movie.

• 1:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yeah, Edgar's, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's what we need. We need a real good werewolf movie. We haven't had one since American Werewolf in London.

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, those are, they're tough to come by, man.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  Wolfman was okay. The Benicio del Toro one.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  I liked that one.

• 1:30:44Joe Rogan?

  It was, you know what the cool thing was? When he trained, when he changed in front of all those doctors? They got him strapped in. They said, "This man is an insane person. He believes he's going to become a wolf."

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, they're all laughing at him. And then Del Toro screams, "I will kill all of you."

• 1:31:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then he just started popping. That was also Rick Baker, same guy who did the special effects for American Werewolf in London. He did it for that, too.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  And Thriller.

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  And Star Wars. And Thriller, yeah, and Thriller.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  Um, he's, uh, I like the Wolfman. I like, um, The Howling.

• 1:31:17Joe Rogan?

  We're grown men going, "I like the Wolfman. He's kind of my favorite. The Howling was good." Grown men talking about their favorite werewolf movies. I didn't see that new Wolfman. Some people told me it was good, some people don't think it sucked.

• 1:31:32Speaker 02

  It sucked.

• 1:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Sucked.

• 1:31:34Speaker 02

  Dick.

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  It sucked. We did, we, I, I have a horror movie podcast and we reviewed it.

• 1:31:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you really? You have a horror movie podcast?

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:42Joe Rogan?

  No shit.

• 1:31:43Speaker 02

  It's called, we'll see you in hell. Uh, yeah.

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Great name.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Thank you, man. Um, but yeah, me and my buddy Pat that I was talking about do it together and we've been doing it for a long time, but we, we, I have a massive horror movie collection.

• 1:31:55Joe Rogan?

  All right, let me ask you this.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:56Joe Rogan?

  What your opinion is. What do you think is the scariest movie of all time?

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  I will tell you, for me, it remains to be The Exorcist. And I appreciate how scary I find it that I will infrequently watch it because I never want that to wear off. Because I've seen so many horror movies at this point, it's very hard to find something where I'm actually freaked. And The Exorcist, probably a lot to do with Catholic upbringing and a lot of the, and, and then that was a movie when I was growing up where people would say, "You know, the devil could actually..." Reach you if you watch that movie, you know, it had so much great lore around it. All of that just sits with me subconsciously when I watch it. I, I think it is the scariest movie I've ever seen and follows, by the way. In my opinion.

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  What is necess- a necessary component to make a great horror movie? It has to be inescapable. So, in other words, what I'm saying is, is like, the, the horror must be inescapable. Nightmare on Elm Street.

• 1:32:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  You fall asleep, Freddy comes.

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  You're gonna have to fall asleep, man.

• 1:33:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  Friday the 13th, you're a bunch of kids, you're stuck at the camp, there's no cell phones, nobody's got a car, you're stuck. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, oh, guess what? All the people you're running from, run the fucking town around you. The Exorcist, it's your daughter, she's upstairs in your home, you cannot leave. Once you set the parameters that you cannot leave the horror. Then all bets are off, but there's too many horror movies where you're like, well, just fucking dra- leave.

• 1:33:37Joe Rogan?

  You should be a consultant.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  I would love to be.

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Get a look at the script and go, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, he can just leave. Why doesn't he just leave? Why is he so invested in staying in this town? Well, he grew up here, he would, he wants to make it right, shut the fuck up, this doesn't make any sense. There's demons in that town, he would get in his fucking car and he would drive to another state.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  He would tell the police or something.

• 1:33:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's just, it's, it's, it's, and, and Amityville is a classic horror movie, but the whole, Eddie Murphy had the joke about in the eighties. He's like, just get the fuck out of the house, like, just leave the fucking house, I don't understand.

• 1:34:08Joe Rogan?

  The, the Amityville one, there's a bunch of them that are weird because they're based on, like, The Conjuring. It's based at least a little bit on real stories.

• 1:34:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:17Joe Rogan?

  And everybody wants to dismiss haunted houses, me too, I do too, I think people are kooky, they make things up, they definitely do. But also, there's too many stories about places being haunted and just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean it's not true.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:31Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if. By for whatever reason, maybe some horrible thing happens in this house and it opens up a portal to another place.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:40Joe Rogan?

  And then spirits from that other place can travel through to that spot because you've done such someone's done such a terrible thing in that house, like some ax murderer in that house. And then for whatever the amount of pain and suffering that took place in that spot opened up a portal to another place.

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  And things come through there.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  I, look, I want it to be true.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see Event Horizon?

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love Event Horizon. I love Event Horizon.

• 1:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Opening up portals.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  Yes. I fucking love that movie and it's another one that people dismiss.

• 1:35:12Joe Rogan?

  No, it's good.

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  Again, you're trapped.

• 1:35:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're trapped.

• 1:35:15Speaker 02

  They go through that goofy wormhole on the spaceship. They're stuck. You can't get away from it. It's Hellraiser. It's Hellraiser in space.

• 1:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's possessed.

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:35:23Joe Rogan?

  It's good.

• 1:35:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:24Joe Rogan?

  It's also, it opens up like,

• 1:35:28Joe Rogan?

  if, if hell was a real place, like that's, you get, you could do so much when you're doing space stuff. Like you're fucking creating wormholes. Like, okay, let's imagine hell's a real place.

• 1:35:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Joe Rogan?

  And let's imagine you open up a doorway to it.

• 1:35:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:40Joe Rogan?

  Accidentally and bring someone onto your spaceship.

• 1:35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 1:35:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  So, there's, when you do something with space with aliens, I remember reading that when I was young, when I I wanted to be a comic book illustrator. And one of the things that I was reading in this book of how it illustrate things like the aliens are the ultimate thing that you can draw because no one can tell you what it looks like.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:04Joe Rogan?

  It could just be anything. You can make it up.

• 1:36:07Speaker 02

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• 1:36:43Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:24Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:08Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:11Speaker 02

  I remember on the show going, "Guys, we're doing the big head with the big, black eyes again. You can draw, do anything."

• 1:38:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can do anything.

• 1:38:21Speaker 02

  Anything. If I hear one more alien in a movie with the fucking predator rattle, the "krkrrr," I'm like, "Enough, guys. Do something new." Like, it, it, it, sky's the limit.

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, Alien, number one.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:38:35Joe Rogan?

  Ridley Scott's was so good.

• 1:38:38Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 1:38:38Joe Rogan?

  It was so good that no one even talks about that it's a female lead. No one even talks about it.

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  It's not just a female lead. She's the, spoiler alert, she's the fucking hero of the whole movie.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  It's fucking awesome.

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  And kills it.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:55Joe Rogan?

  But she's so good, and the movie's so good, that no one even brings that up.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  It's not even a second thought.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's awesome.

• 1:39:00Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, that movie scared the fuck out of me. And that movie came out in nineteen seventy-nine.

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Seventy-nine.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  And it was just the right amount of seeing the alien. You didn't see it all the time, it was sneaking around, it was in, it kept growing and getting bigger. Every time you turned around, it was way bigger than it was before.

• 1:39:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:22Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Best tagline ever on a movie, in space, no one can hear you scream.

• 1:39:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  Like, what a great tagline.

• 1:39:28Joe Rogan?

  And it had the robot that betrayed everybody.

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, yeah, uh, uh, Ian Holm.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  And it had these people that they were gonna sacrifice because they wanted this biological weapon. And that's why they went there in the first place. You're like, oh, people wouldn't do that. And now you go, oh, yeah, they would.

• 1:39:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then, of course, John Hurt, alien, the chest burst scene.

• 1:39:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  Where it was just like, what the fuck is about to happen here?

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck, dude? When it comes plopping out of his chest and runs on the floor, like, what the fuck, dude? Original trailer.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  It's, the trailer is so scary.

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  Weird sounds.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  And you don't even get a peep at the fucking alien.

• 1:40:49Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  There should be an Oscar for trailers.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  You know another really good one that doesn't get a lot of love? Sputnik.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  I never saw Sputnik. I don't think I know what's Sputnik. I don't even know what it is.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Sputnik is a Russian sci-fi alien movie.

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  From like, when was that, Jamie? How many years ago?

• 1:41:11Speaker 05

  The trailers are here five years ago.

• 1:41:12Joe Rogan?

  Five years ago. It's fucking good, dude. It's all in subtitles.

• 1:41:17Speaker 02

  So I've seen Midnight. They've done, I've seen Midnight does some cool shit.

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  It's a, spoiler, it's a dude who goes up in a Russian spaceship and has an encounter. And comes back home and he's got this parasite in his body.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  And this parasite comes out.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:41:34Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking wild, dude. It's wild. It's really good. It lives inside of him and it keeps him alive. And then it comes out when he's sleeping. It comes out of his mouth. It's like, the way it forms, it's really fucking creepy and they're scary as shit, man.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  And it's, I was gonna say, it's like a genuine monster comes out of him?

• 1:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. It's a fucking scary ass movie, man.

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  I'll check this out.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  I know, I'm making it sound goofy, but it's, it's good, dude. It's good.

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  It sounds fucking awesome. Alright, I'll check it out.

• 1:42:04Joe Rogan?

  Look, there's para, there's like legitimate parasites on Earth that go so far as to like, like, here's one. You know what the cordyceps mushrooms parasites, where they take over spiders bodies and ants bodies? And then they explode in the air, so the, the, the, the spores

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  Come out of their body in like a big explosion, so they infect everyone around them. And then all of them around them become like these fucking, they get paralyzed by the mushroom and get eaten by it. And then they explode.

• 1:42:36Speaker 02

  That's in, um, dude, I hate to

• 1:42:38Joe Rogan?

  Last of Us.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  I hate to ask you this.

• 1:42:40Joe Rogan?

  What? You gotta pee? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 1:42:43Speaker 02

  I'm bursting over here. Hold on a second. I'll be right back.

• 1:42:45Joe Rogan?

  I'll go too. We'll be right back, folks.

• 1:42:47Speaker 02

  It's like, wow. Guy's fucking

• 1:42:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  Wild kid.

• 1:42:51Joe Rogan?

  There's still some people that remember those days that live in Aspen. If you find them, they'll talk to you about it.

• 1:42:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Like what it was like when he was living up there.

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  They said he would go down to the bars and...

• 1:43:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, get blasted every night. There's a funny, um, there's a funny song that got made from me and Greg Fitzsimmons. We read the, what, what Hunter S. Thompson did during a day, like a journalist had like hung out with him. And, and recorded like his day. So it's like, it starts like when he wakes up to like when he starts doing cocaine. He starts seriously doing cocaine and this guy beardy man, he put it to a beat.

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever heard it?

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  I know beardy man, but yeah.

• 1:43:31Joe Rogan?

  Six AM in the hot dog with champagne.

• 1:43:34Speaker 02

  Do you think, do you think with, with a guy like Hunter Thompson?

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  Cause I honestly don't know, but like, do you think? He's the one guy where that being around that? Would still be, would, would have still been fun and exciting and crazy and weird, or do you think like most guys? You'd be like, dude, you think it's going to be fun, but it's not, it's kinda disturbing and.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  Depends on who you are, right? It's like, I bet there's a lot of similar stories about Ari.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  You know? You know what I'm saying?

• 1:44:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a good point. That's a lot of similar stories about a lot of us.

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, you talked to Johnny Depp about it. Johnny Depp loved him.

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Johnny loved him and, and him and Johnny were really close because he played Johnny in that movie and they became really good friends.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. The, uh, yeah, John Cusack had a good story that he told about going up to that, to that compound or whatever you call it. And he said, he, he said he went up, he was so excited that he finally got the invite and he went up for like a, a long weekend. Got there on like a Wednesday and he said, then like Wednesday happens, Thursday happens. And he's like, Hunter, uh, you know, man, thanks for having me, but what the fuck are all these stories I keep hearing? Uh, and then he said Hunter Thompson said, don't worry, my boy, this, this weekend, there will be games. And then he said Friday hit and it was just like the rocket went off and that was, you know.

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  So he was probably writing.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  He was, yeah, it was probably like, we're drinking and all, but who cares? And then, you know, it hits.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  You can't do cocaine every night, right?

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  I wouldn't think so.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  You could.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:45:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, we were just, just as we were leaving, Jamie told us that Ozzy died.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  Nah, yeah.

• 1:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just as we're leaving, speaking of which, speaking of the guy who, he burned the candles at both ends, lad. Dude, he just. He just performed, yeah.

• 1:45:25Speaker 02

  It always happens like this. It's like he did, like, there cannot not be a correlation between hanging up the job and death. He did the final Black Sabbath show, this is it. All four original guys.

• 1:45:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  He's, he died two weeks later?

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  That's fucking insane, man. That's insane. Did they, weren't they supposed to do one more show? It was like one last Oz Fest?

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I think people just decide it's enough. And that, he was struggling for a long time. So you get a debilitating disease like Parkinson's and it just slowly robs you of your ability to move and your, your wit and everything, just slowly takes it all away from you.

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  He said too, if I could borrow your lighter, thank you. He said, he said too, um, he did a recent interview where he said, um, you know, he's in that, he's in a men, he was in immense pain because of the surgery he had on his back or whatever it was. And he was saying like that the, they, he, he didn't need the surgery, he was miss, it was something along the lines that this, it was bad advice for him to get the surgery, something like that. And had he not gotten it, he would have had more mobility and whatever. And I was like, that really sucks, dude.

• 1:46:43Joe Rogan?

  Was it back surgery?

• 1:46:44Speaker 02

  I think it was back surgery. And I, and I got the impression from what he was saying, him like having to sit in a chair and stuff during the shows, had way less to do with Parkinson's and way more to do with

• 1:46:56Joe Rogan?

  Back.

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  Just pain from this back thing, yeah.

• 1:47:00Joe Rogan?

  Surgeons died for the last time to correct spinal damage he incurred in a late night fall in two thousand nineteen. Um, so that's when he did it. So fall aggravated an injury he sustained in a quad, oh that, remember that quad bike crash? He got really fucked up.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  I, I don't remember that.

• 1:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He, um, he crashed one of those off-road bikes and almost died. I think he got pinned underneath it. It was bad. It was real bad. I remember reading about it thinking, I think he was in the hospital for quite a while. So this new thing was, he aggravated, he fell and he aggravated whatever he injured back then. Yeah.

• 1:47:41Speaker 02

  Oh, quad bike, uh, so it's like an ATV or whatever.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. They're fucking, they're kinda dangerous. You know, they're heavy and they're fast and people fall off of them.

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  And he was, in 2003, he was still able to do something like that? Wasn't 2003, wasn't he, wasn't that the period of the Osbournes where he was all shaky and like shuffling around and stuff?

• 1:47:59Joe Rogan?

  That might have been why he crashed, right? He might have thought he could do it and couldn't hold on to the steering wheel or the, the handlebars correctly.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, cause if you're on one of those things, it's fucking bouncing off all, you could easily like go to, if your hands aren't working good, you can't hold on to the bars anymore.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, man. That's a big one, man. You lose some of these people that you, you just think they'll always be there. It's like an Ozzy's one of them. I remember when Michael Jackson died, Attell said to me, he goes, "It's kinda weird. It's like somebody telling you there's no more vanilla." Like, it's just this part of-

• 1:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, of your life.

• 1:48:37Speaker 02

  There are people that are just, they're there, you know? Neil Peart dying fucked me up like that. I was like, "Wait, there's no more Rush?"

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:44Speaker 02

  Hey, what?

• 1:48:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  Bowie, Prince, you know, you're like-

• 1:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Prince was a hard one.

• 1:48:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:51Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's, that's a bummer, man. I'm glad they got to do that.

• 1:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Tom Petty was another hard one.

• 1:48:56Speaker 02

  I saw him two days before he died.

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  Ugh. He died the same way as Prince.

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:01Joe Rogan?

  Got some bad fucking pain pill, pain pills.

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  Well, when I found out he died from the pain pills thing, it made sense. His show was great. I almost didn't go. I almost didn't go to the show, cause I was like, "I don't know, man. Tom Petty's cool. Yeah, I guess." My friend was like, "Bro, how many more chances are we gonna have to see Tom?" I go, "Yeah, you're right. Let's go." I went, it was amazing. I was like, "Thank God I went." And we were all laughing during the show. We're like, "Man, he's high as shit."

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  Did he look high as shit?

• 1:49:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, and between songs, he'd be like, "Look at this, man. This is love, dude." Like, he just sounded like a classic pothead, you know?

• 1:49:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  From the 60s. And then two days later, he died, and then the pill came, and I was like, "Oh, man, I think he was ripped on fucking whatever cocktail they had him on or whatever," you know? But he was awesome. He put on a fucking show. Still hit all the notes, still played the guitar great. He was great.

• 1:49:53Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people, they just get hurt and then they turn to those goddamn pills, and then once they get on those pills, they can't get off.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  Pill addiction's a motherfucker, man.

• 1:50:02Joe Rogan?

  Is this it? It's like one of his last shows? It is, final show. His final show at Hollywood Bowl?

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I think I saw the second to last. Yeah, he did that a lot. He was, yeah, there was a lot of hands up in the air.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  He was a bad motherfucker. She was an American girl.

• 1:50:17Speaker 02

  Came out of the gate with that.

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 1:50:19Speaker 02

  Opened with American Girl.

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 1:50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. It was just like banger after banger.

• 1:50:24Joe Rogan?

  You realize like how many hits that guy had? Oh my god, he had so many hits.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  I saw Elton John once at the Outside Lands in San Francisco.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Talk about a guy with hits.

• 1:50:33Speaker 02

  Brother?

• 1:50:34Joe Rogan?

  Hits.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  Two and a half hours, every song was a hit, and he didn't even touch the Lion King shit. I was like, I was like, I was like, he skipped the Lion King and still went two and a half hours with nothing but hits.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Rocket Man is so good, I only like to listen to it with headphones on.

• 1:50:50Speaker 02

  Oh, that song rules.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  It's so good, dude. There's so much emotion in that song.

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  Have you seen him live?

• 1:50:57Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  So dude,

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  you'll appreciate this. He came out with, opened with The Bitch's Back, right? Which is a great opener. And he changes into the costumes and shit, so it's awesome.

• 1:51:09Joe Rogan?

  The glasses? Is it one of the glasses?

• 1:51:11Speaker 02

  And, uh, he opens with The Bitch's Back. Song ends, place is going fucking crazy, right? I'm getting chills talking about it. I love concert stories. And, um, and dude, he, he stands up and he's like, he's doing all the like, "Let's go, motherfuckers," you know? Dude, he hits the piano. He just goes,

• 1:51:31Speaker 02

  just hits the first chord of Benny and the Jets.

• 1:51:33Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  Just goes, "Bent," and goes like this, and everybody knows immediately. This is,

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  dude, he teased it for like a minute.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  He just went, "Bent." Crowd's cheering, "Bent," walks around to the fucking piano cover, is like slamming it, walks back around, "Bent," and then sits down and starts it, and dude, oh my, whoo, man.

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Benny and the Jets, fucking what a song.

• 1:52:00Speaker 02

  The, uh, the, uh,

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  The other, if you'll indulge me, my concert memories. My other favorite thing I ever saw at a concert, it was such a fucking cock rock move. I loved it. I saw Metallica in Philly with Big J.

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  And we were so psyched, because we're from Philly, and it's Metallica, whatever. And they come out, they fucking open with Battery. The fucking place is going batshit, dude, right? They end Battery, and James Hetfield goes, "Philadelphia, Metallica's with you tonight. Are you with Metallica?" Thirty thousand people going fucking crazy, right? And then he goes, "Give me an M, M. Give me an E, E. Give me a T, T. A, A. Give me an L, L. Give me fuel, give me fire, give me..." And they rip into fuel, dude.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fuck, yeah.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  And that was the first time I was like, this song is fucking awesome. Because I always kind of wrote it off, like in the load years, I was like, yeah, it's fine. It's an awesome song.

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of songs that are better in concert, too. You know, there's songs like, if you go to see Kiss, Rock and Roll All Night is better in concert.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Because they're actually rockin' rollin' on the, it was a giant hit already. Great song already.

• 1:53:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  But if you get to see them do it in concert, you're like, yes! There's something about it.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  I saw their second to last show, because I'm friends with Nick, Gene's son. And he got me and Paul Talia into the second to last Kiss show. And he got us against the stage.

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  Dude, they came down on fucking risers. They opened with Detroit Rock City as they were descending from the sky with flames shooting up.

• 1:53:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  It was fucking crazy.

• 1:54:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, dude, it was wild. Yeah.

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  What a song.

• 1:54:08Speaker 02

  Paul Stanley flies over the audience at one point.

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  And it was, that was a-

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  The radio's a horn-

• 1:54:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that bass filled.

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh my god. I hate my song and it pulls me through.

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  That ticked-

• 1:54:28Speaker 02

  That-

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Tell me what I got to do. I got to get up.

• 1:54:36Joe Rogan?

  Get out, everybody gonna leave their seat.

• 1:54:45Speaker 02

  You're gonna listen to that later.

• 1:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah, fuck yeah. That's a classic, son.

• 1:54:49Speaker 02

  That, that ticked a lot of my childhood boxes, cause Nick brought me backstage. And I met Gene in full makeup-

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  After the show.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:54:57Speaker 02

  And then Shannon Tweed is his wife, you know? And she was in all the 90's steamy-

• 1:55:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all those horror movies, right?

• 1:55:05Speaker 02

  She was in a lot of like sexy, steamy, you know?

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Was she in horror movies?

• 1:55:10Speaker 02

  She was in, I think a couple, but she was in a lot of those Cinemax-y-

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  Kinda like A Handyman Comes to Town and-

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was soft porn. It was like, not really porn.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  But like, you know, hot romance.

• 1:55:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:21Joe Rogan?

  That was back before people had porn. Isn't that crazy? And that thought.

• 1:55:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  It's Skinamax. We'd call it Cinemax, we'd call it Skinamax.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:29Joe Rogan?

  There was terrible shows that you would only watch, cause the lady would eventually get naked.

• 1:55:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:34Joe Rogan?

  Like Emmanuel Goes to France.

• 1:55:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:37Joe Rogan?

  They're the dumbest shows ever. You're like, Jesus Christ, this lady take her fucking clothes off?

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to sit there, because there was no rewinding and pausing. You'd have to just to watch.

• 1:55:46Speaker 02

  Showtime did a thing called Showtime After Hours.

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  And we had Showtime when I was a kid. And when I was 12 years old, I got a TV in my room. And I had Showtime on it.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:55:57Speaker 02

  And I would do the thing where, you know, it had the, you know, the button they used to have on the controller? Where you could hit the button, it would flip between two channels. It was like the arrow button. Where if you wanted to flip back and forth, you could just keep hitting the button.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:56:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. You could pick two channels.

• 1:56:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  And go back and forth.

• 1:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Preparing you for no attention span.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I, well.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  The original TikTok.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  It saved my ass, because what I would do is I'd put Showtime on one end, and then like SNL on the other.

• 1:56:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so if someone came in the room, he could quickly turn back.

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  And my dad would frequently come into the room, and I'd switch it real quick. And he'd be like, "You better not be watching."

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:56:35Speaker 02

  "Showtime!" And I was like, "I'm not, I'm not," and then he would leave, back to Emmanuel.

• 1:56:39Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  That made you want to watch it ever more.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Oh, god, it was.

• 1:56:43Joe Rogan?

  Because why is he telling me I can't watch this?

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  Forbidden fruit. He knew what I was watching.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  Today, I think, people just give their kids phones, and they're just like, "You figure it out."

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, when we were kids, it was really difficult to see something fucked up. I see something fucked up every day. I see death and destruction and people getting shot, and I see it every day.

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  It's insane to me, and I will never, ever, ever, put my driver's license information into a porn website.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Again.

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  For, again. Twelve times is enough, I've learned. I, I won't do it. I'm just like, "I'm not doing this," but it is also still insane to me that all you gotta do to look at a porn site is click a button that goes, "I swear I'm 18." You know, that's it, and you're in. You're fucking in.

• 1:57:33Joe Rogan?

  Or, I, I don't live in Texas.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:57:36Joe Rogan?

  You could have a VPN that says you live in Maine.

• 1:57:38Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:57:39Joe Rogan?

  And then you, "All right, you're in."

• 1:57:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's so easy to skirt around. It's a dumb thing. Like, you don't think kids know about VPNs? Some phones have VPNs built into them, don't they? Doesn't iPhone have a VPN built into it? I think so. I think it does.

• 1:57:55Speaker 02

  A lot of websites now, though, because I use a VPN, because in this day and age, why wouldn't you?

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  People definitely steal people's information from, uh, public Wi-Fi's. You gotta be careful of hackers.

• 1:58:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:09Joe Rogan?

  There's people that are really good at getting information from stuff. A buddy of mine owns the racetrack around here. They found a device attached to their internet that was like, uh, some foreign entity, they assumed China, had set up this device to, so it was when Formula One was in town. So you got all these high rollers, and everybody's using the Wi-Fi. And you get all their passwords, it's like siphons off all this stuff, so they connected it. It's an X somehow or another, they got on the premises and connected this external box to their wifi router.

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  That's fucking insane.

• 1:58:45Joe Rogan?

  Insane.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 1:58:47Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. It's weird to think like that that's possible. That um, they, they've done that not just there, but they've, if, if they've done it, if they caught them doing it at the racetrack, for sure they probably do it at all kinds of public places. Like if you go to a, see a basketball game or football game and you use a public wifi at some place, there's a chance that there's some fucking asshole that's hacked into their system and can figure out how to get your banking information.

• 1:59:13Speaker 02

  Somebody told me that the, you know, the, the, you know, the, the card sliders or whatever, when you go to 7-Eleven or wherever.

• 1:59:21Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  Somebody told me about a year ago, never, never type your, manually type your code in because they said a lot of those, not, I'm not saying 7-Eleven does this, but like, there are places where they'll put a camera in it, so they can videotape you typing your number in and that's how they steal PIN codes.

• 1:59:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 1:59:44Speaker 02

  Because, you know, it's fucked up.

• 1:59:47Joe Rogan?

  If you go to gas stations, they have those things they stick over the credit card reader. It's, it looks like the credit card reader, but it's like glued onto it and it's theirs, it's like a skimmer. And so when you run your credit card through it, they get all your information when you punch in the information.

• 2:00:02Speaker 02

  You, are you talking about like how it has the little hood over it?

• 2:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the little thing that you stick your card in when you go to get gas? Or slide it through when you swipe it? They put one over that. So they take that one and they put their own thing over on top of it.

• 2:00:17Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a bunch of my friends been caught that way.

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  What's your, what's your take? I'm very curious. Wha- what's your take on this increasing?

• 2:00:29Speaker 02

  Threat to security, like, uh, because there's two takes on it, it's, it's, you know, getting, protecting yourself more and more and more and more and more and more and more. I'm in a place where I'm just going, you know what, guys, I don't fucking care anymore. This is too much of a pain in the ass. Uh, I guess steal if you're gonna steal. I, I can't, I can't deal with the, the, the, the, the tedium of all this anymore, of, of putting in two fucking passwords to every website, having to do a security PIN every time I want to log into my own shit. Uh, it's exhausting to me.

• 2:01:01Joe Rogan?

  It is exhausting and it's, it's only gonna get worse, um, because encryption is in real danger as computation power increases. The, one of the big concerns that they have about the idea of quantum computers is that when quantum computer, and I think they think they can achieve this even before quantum computing is like common, um, that it kills all encryption. It, it can solve it fast. It can, it's just too, too much computation power. It'll find whatever the number is that your, your, you know, your PIN is, your code is, or your password is, it'll figure it out.

• 2:01:36Speaker 02

  Are you, uh, are you nervous about AI? And I, and part of it makes me nervous, part of it, I'm like, it's here, and if it's used correctly, it could be a great tool, but, uh, you know, are you a guy that's like really freaked out, uh, by it, or do you just kind of accept it and go, alright, well?

• 2:01:52Joe Rogan?

  Both. I kind of accept it, right? And I, I use it all the time. I ask it questions all the time. I use the thing on the iPhone when you press the button, and if, if Siri doesn't know shit, which she usually doesn't. That's where one of the places where Google's way better. Like, Google has this Gemini. Uh, Google Gemini, when you press that button and you, you ask its assistant, it's way better. It's way better than the Siri assistant. Siri's like, I don't know. Siri's like a, a, a high school teacher that really is like kind of half-assing it. Whereas Gemini is like a legitimate professor, that like, wrote his- You know, it's college essays on this particular subject. They're asking questions about.

• 2:02:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, that's funny. Yeah, Siri's the teacher. They're cool. She's not the brightest, but she's cool. The other guy, you're gonna learn some shit, but you might find yourself in a weird situation with him.

• 2:02:39Joe Rogan?

  That's Apple's main issue that people have with Apple. And there's been like a lot of talk about whether or not Tim Cook has dropped the ball, whether there's people that want to remove him as a CEO. And it's the way they've integrated with AI.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:53Joe Rogan?

  As opposed to the way Samsung has integrated with AI, which is much better. And then Google, which is also much better. But they all had their stumbles. Google's AI was woke at the beginning and it was doing like female Nazis that were Asian. Like, you ever saw any of that? No. Oh, dude, dude, dude. It was doing a DEI version of the Nazis. Like, no bullshit. There was a Native American woman with like braids who was a fucking Nazi. It was so dumb because it didn't understand. It's like, this is what we do with everything. Everything is diversity and equity is like, no, I'm looking, I want you to make Nazis, like German, dueling scars on the face.

• 2:03:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:34Joe Rogan?

  Scary people.

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Scary evil people like from Indiana Jones.

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a Nazi.

• 2:03:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  So it had to teach it to not do that anymore.

• 2:03:43Speaker 02

  I often wonder, and this is a bit conspiratorial, I guess, but I often wonder if, because it always, I always found it outright confusing how bad Siri was with Apple. Especially because it was Apple, right? I always wondered, I'm like, are they making, are they making it not good?

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  No, Steve Jobs is dead.

• 2:04:05Speaker 02

  But so when they introduce the good version, you embrace it quickly?

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  No, they don't do that.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  It's just, it's just.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  They don't do that. They definitely do slow your old shit down. They've gotten busted for that. And they say, whoa, we're just doing it to maximize your battery life. Now you're doing it to make my life miserable as an iPhone 12 owner with this new update. Now my shit is slow as fuck. My battery dies quick.

• 2:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. I will tell you one thing I don't like that Apple's doing. And I'm an Apple user and they never used to do this. You used to call customer service. You would ask, you know, I'm having this problem. They'd walk you through it as much as they could. If it got to a breaking point, they'd say, okay, look, can we do a screen share? So I can figure out what's going on because something's not right here. It was always last ditch effort. Now, three times I've had an issue, very simple issue. How do I stop iCloud from sending all my texts to my computer? Something very dumb that I just couldn't figure out. Every time, first question on customer service, can we do a screen share? First question. Every time I go, no, we don't need to do that.

• 2:05:10Speaker 02

  I'm smart enough that if you tell me what to do, I'll do it. And they go, okay, no problem. And then they tell you what to do and it's so easy. And I'm like, why are you fucking asking for a screen share first?

• 2:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Why do you think they're doing that?

• 2:05:22Speaker 02

  I just think it's more, I don't know, gathered data gathering, you know, getting into your shit, you know, whatever. I don't know. It's weird though.

• 2:05:31Joe Rogan?

  Certainly could be.

• 2:05:33Speaker 02

  It's weird.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  They get busted for, there's all tech companies all the time get busted for taking data they're not supposed to take. It's the, it's the, it's, what's weird about it is it's a commodity that nobody saw coming. Right? So before, like, what was the first? I guess MySpace. Before that time, and even MySpace didn't really capitalize on it in terms of like gathering your data and selling it. Not to the extent of like Google does and Facebook does.

• 2:06:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they, they made billions and billions of dollars giving you amazing free products like Gmail. And then selling things to you in advertisements and siphoning off your fucking data.

• 2:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, I remember going into Sirius XM. And again, I like Sirius XM. I'm not shitting on it, but I remember going into Sirius XM when they first started doing this. And you'd go in and you'd, and you, you always had to sign in. But the sign in suddenly was address, phone number, all this extra email, all this extra shit.

• 2:06:37Joe Rogan?

  You had to type it in?

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  And I would say, I would kinda argue with the person. Why do I have to type all this in? I'm going to talk to Big Jay right now about porn on the radio for 20 minutes.

• 2:06:47Joe Rogan?

  They want your email.

• 2:06:48Speaker 02

  It was, and I'm like, this is data collection. You're collecting my data. Now, what you're gonna do with it, I don't know. Hopefully-

• 2:06:54Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing, they can just sell it. They just sell it, and that's why you get these weird text messages.

• 2:06:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, "You have been approved. Oh, I've been approved."

• 2:07:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:07:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. I always, I get 10 of those a day, and I always wonder, like, who's clicking on these things? Like, who's falling for these things?

• 2:07:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Somebody, must be.

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  I know a guy, ready for this? This is how fucked up this shit is. I know a guy, he's got, single dad has a daughter. His daughter is maybe 10, 12. He told me he got a phone call.

• 2:07:27Speaker 02

  A guy being like, "We have your daughter."

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've heard of those.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  This whole thing, right?

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:31Speaker 02

  So he's, he's a savvy guy, and he's like, "Okay, okay, right." He goes, "We're gonna let you talk to her." He goes, "The girl, a girl got on the phone. It was my daughter's voice."

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  They somehow were able to replicate my daughter's voice, so clearly they were tapped into me somehow. And he said he called the school and fucking told the principal that, like, "Go to her classroom and tell me she's there right now." And the piece of the principal's like, "I assure you, Mr.," and he goes, "Get off your fucking head. Go fucking," and screamed at her. And the lady like ran down the hall in a huff, whatever, and she's like, "She's, she's, she's here, she's here, she's here. What's going on?" He goes, "Thank you very much," and hangs up.

• 2:08:10Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:08:11Speaker 02

  But he told me, dude. He goes, he goes, "Dude, I have firearms." He goes, "I, I was strapped up. I was ready to go to where they were saying to go and like get fucking busy if it came down to it."

• 2:08:23Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  But it's like, that's how fucking advanced all this shit is. I mean, that's crazy.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna be able to do, I mean, look at that Luke Skywalker video. Perfect. The crazy thing is like, this is, it's happening so quickly. We have adapted so quickly. That would have been impossible three years ago. And now we're like, oh wow, look where it is. It's like, we're watching this thing evolve in front of us like a life form.

• 2:08:49Speaker 02

  There's the Will Smith one.

• 2:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Which one? Oh, I Am Legend?

• 2:08:53Speaker 02

  No, it's, um, I can't remember if it was on TikTok, whatever. But, okay, so apparently,

• 2:09:02Speaker 02

  two years ago, there was this video that made the rounds on the internet, and it was Will Smith eating spaghetti, and it was-

• 2:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 2:09:11Speaker 02

  Computer generated.

• 2:09:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, it was terrible.

• 2:09:13Speaker 02

  It looked ridiculous, and it was funny, and it was just a thing to laugh at. He goes, "I want to show you guys now Will Smith eating spaghetti." And Joe?

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  It's perfect.

• 2:09:21Speaker 02

  It's Will Smith eating spaghetti.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it's perfect.

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, it's insane.

• 2:09:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, Hollywood has known about this for a long time, and it's one of the things that scared the fuck out of them. And one of the, one of the weird things they've done is they've made deals with extras. Like, they want to make deals with extras where they have your likeness forever, so they don't have to pay you again. So they just use you and just twist your face a little and change this and change that and change your skin tone and take, take your hair off, put hair on. And they could just use you forever for background.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  And guess what? As, as you and I sit here and go, "That's insane," right, which it is, as we were talking about earlier, desperation. "You're a struggling actor. I need this fucking job. I can't say..." So you go, "Okay, that's fine, I guess, just do it."

• 2:10:06Joe Rogan?

  And then what if you take, take off? That's what's crazy. What if, what happens when you take off?

• 2:10:12Speaker 02

  The one-

• 2:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Now you're fucked. They own you forever.

• 2:10:14Speaker 02

  The one Hollywood AI thing that I liked that they did was,

• 2:10:20Speaker 02

  uh, James Earl Jones before he died, and I believe this is real. He went in to Disney, Lucasfilm, and they recorded a ton of his voice so he can be Darth Vader forever.

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:10:37Speaker 02

  And I was like, "Okay, that I, I get that. That I get." You know? I even get, if you told me, "Hey, Disney's gonna make a new Indiana Jones movie with 25-year-old Harrison Ford, and it's fake, but you're gonna think you're watching 25..." I would watch that. I'd be excited to watch it.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you'd get sucked in.

• 2:10:55Speaker 02

  You know, but some of the other shit, the extra stuff is really... But here's the thing with the extras thing. When, when, um, not Guillermo, uh, Peter Jackson, when he did Lord of the Rings.

• 2:11:08Speaker 02

  They created a technology with the orcs. Remember there were all the big orc battles? All those orcs are fake. They were able to computer generate thousands of orcs based on five actual people in makeup. So they could affordably create these epic battles that they never would have been able to shoot otherwise. So I'm like, is it that different? I don't know. Like, because I thought that was cool. I was like, alright, that makes sense, but you know, I don't know.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  Netflix reportedly uses regenerative AI in sci-fi series to cut costs.

• 2:11:42Speaker 02

  These fuckers are gonna, I mean, they were cutting, they'll cut costs anywhere, but.

• 2:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Okay, the VFX sequence was completed 10 times faster than it could have been completed with traditional VFX tools and workflows. Also, the cost of it just wouldn't have been feasible for a show in that budget. So what is the, what's the issue there?

• 2:12:01Speaker 05

  Particular one, I don't, I didn't see.

• 2:12:02Joe Rogan?

  Are people up at arms about this?

• 2:12:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, people are just getting mad because they're using it, you know?

• 2:12:06Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:12:07Speaker 05

  Just why they like what he was saying for the works, like they're using it to start making shows and.

• 2:12:10Joe Rogan?

  But this is like people getting mad that you made your book on a typewriter. Like, fucking duh.

• 2:12:16Speaker 02

  Well, I think the, I think the issue some people are having is the amount of people that don't have a job because they did it this way. But at the same time, I also understand cost effectiveness. Where you're like, guys, we have to pay a team of 20. I watched a video about AI versus the traditional way of doing computer generation or whatever. And the, again, the tedium, like the time that it, it was person after person sitting there for hours and hours and hours to perfect this thing. Now they're like, guys, we can do it. With one person, you know?

• 2:12:51Joe Rogan?

  It's cool that they were able to do it the other way, but if they could just do it right away, instantly on a computer, it's over, boys. Like, that, that game's over. It's like, at some point in time, Blockbuster had to close the doors.

• 2:13:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, nobody wants our VHS tapes anymore.

• 2:13:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:07Joe Rogan?

  It's over. It's over. Nobody wants your DVDs anymore. It's over. Streaming services won. Kodak, you used to have to go to a place and get your fucking photos processed. Okay, you used to take the film, you'd get a camera, take the film, you have to bring to a place, and that place develops all your photographs, and that's how you got pictures. That shit went away. I mean, there's still some people that still do it.

• 2:13:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  But the, the percentage of people that do it.

• 2:13:33Speaker 02

  I know, um. This, this is where it gets very sinister to me. Because I think the idea we all have, or a lot of us have is, okay, progress means certain jobs will go away and other jobs will be the only jobs available. And I think a lot of us have the impression that, well, at least the jobs that are available will still be well paying because they'll be sought after and whatever and all that stuff. I know some writers whose job now is not to write the thing, but to take the thing AI wrote and edit it for AI. You know, so now you're the secretary to the computer, literally.

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:14:14Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  So you just edit the AI stuff to make it better?

• 2:14:16Speaker 02

  Yes. And then

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:14:19Speaker 02

  you don't get credit, right? Because it's a fake thing. And then the job pays an unlivable fucking wage on top of it.

• 2:14:28Joe Rogan?

  Oof.

• 2:14:28Speaker 02

  So it's not even like, well, that's the-

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Somebody's getting rich though, right?

• 2:14:31Speaker 02

  So, yeah, no shit.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that always fun?

• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  Somebody's getting rich as fuck.

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  Somebody's getting real rich.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  That's where it gets real gross.

• 2:14:41Speaker 02

  That's, yeah.

• 2:14:42Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of demonic.

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's fucked up.

• 2:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:45Speaker 02

  It's fucked up. I don't know, man.

• 2:14:47Joe Rogan?

  And then this reliance on technology is making us more feeble than ever. Everybody's tired. Everybody's filled with anxiety. Social media exacerbates it. Microplastic, shrink your balls. Fluoride makes you stupid.

• 2:15:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. So why did you quit drinking, man? That's all we got left.

• 2:15:11Joe Rogan?

  I still am enjoying life. I'm enjoying it all.

• 2:15:15Speaker 02

  No, Jodie Foster talked recently about, she's like, look, I want to hire young women because I know how hard it is to have been a young woman in this business. And she's like, but I get at odds with some of these people I hire because they'll send out these work emails that are riddled with grammatical errors and no punctuation. And she says, I will say to them, you're a professional. You have to know how to write an email.

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  Like a professional.

• 2:15:39Speaker 02

  Like a professional. And she says, like, people are like, that, those are constraints. Those are this. And it's because everybody's used to your phone doing it for you.

• 2:15:46Joe Rogan?

  How long before people are like, I identify as a CEO? So call me sir or.

• 2:15:52Speaker 02

  Go on Instagram. It's happening. It's happening.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  I know I'm a custodian, but I identify as a CEO.

• 2:15:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know how many people I see on Instagram with 8,000 followers and they're like CEO slash owner? I'm like, of what?

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  Whatever.

• 2:16:06Speaker 02

  Of what?

• 2:16:07Joe Rogan?

  My own corporation, bro. Fake it till you make it. Don't you know?

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I opened a Teespring account.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about those guys that go onto those multi-level marketing scheme? And they, they learn how to start their own business. If you're not a millionaire, you're a fucking loser. Like, huh huh.

• 2:16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  And then they sign up for these things and go to the retreat and.

• 2:16:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:27Joe Rogan?

  And walk on coals and fucking yell at each other, yeah, like we're Vikings.

• 2:16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. All that primal fuck. Yeah, yeah. And you'll make money and oh, boy, that's fucking hilarious.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta be rich. You wanna, you wanna not be a fucking loser. Want women to take you seriously. The whole incel world is like, there's so many guys that are like hanging on to the lip, falling into the hole and don't want to.

• 2:16:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, what do I do?

• 2:16:56Speaker 02

  It's incredible to me too, the lack of, uh, shame. Where, how people will manipulate the, people will you, will manipulate the photograph. What am I trying to say? They'll manipulate the environment they're in through photographs. To convey a lifestyle they're not actually responsible for. In other words, like, how many fucking guys you see on private jets? It's like, hey, man, I can't afford private jets. I could certainly get a picture on one, cause I've flown with enough friends that have them.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  See so many guys, they pull up in a Rolls Royce, someone opens the door for them, they get out of the back impeccably dressed.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:36Joe Rogan?

  Check their cuff links, just go walking.

• 2:17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, who's filming this? This is, this is literally insane. Like, what are you doing?

• 2:17:44Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Trying to tell everybody what a winner you are? You're, you're hiring someone to put this fucking weird image of you out there.

• 2:17:49Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah. And meanwhile.

• 2:17:51Joe Rogan?

  So strange.

• 2:17:52Speaker 02

  And meanwhile, it's a rented car or it's a car for an event that was sent for you. But, but you're presenting it as, I'm balling like this.

• 2:18:01Joe Rogan?

  This is how I am every day. I get up in the morning, people just hand me things. They shave me while I'm checking the stock market. Imagine. Imagine filming that and wanting everybody to see what a baller you are while people are shaving you. You're checking your phone. But there's like so many accounts like that. There's so many guys that are doing like a day in the life of.

• 2:18:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, everybody's trying to make it look like they're a.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Super ballers.

• 2:18:27Speaker 02

  Their, their life is the beginning of coming to America. Where he gets out of bed and there's the rose petals and all that shit.

• 2:18:34Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb.

• 2:18:36Speaker 02

  When I see.

• 2:18:36Joe Rogan?

  Why do you, why do you want that? Why do you even want that? That's not a fun life. There's all these people around you all the time, opening doors. Like, what the fuck are you doing?

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, guys, please stop showing people dressing you. Stop.

• 2:18:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, measuring you, like you're a bad, you're so badass. He's so badass, you're getting measured.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Someone's on their knees with a fucking ruler, checking his dong starts here. They're going the inside of your thigh with their fucking fingernails. Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? Checking the pleats? Shut up.

• 2:19:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's weird that a part of this concept of success has become, "I don't do anything for myself, yet I'm self-made." That's, that's what's so funny to me. There's this, there's this bio that comes along with all these types of people we're talking about on the internet. Where it's like, "Self-made, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, there is no no, there is only yes, conquer, command, blah, blah, blah, blah." And then the entire image they present is, "I don't know how to do anything." There's a guy fixing my pants.

• 2:19:44Joe Rogan?

  A guy shaving me.

• 2:19:47Speaker 02

  This guy opens my door.

• 2:19:49Joe Rogan?

  With the lather brush. You know, and he's doing it like Dracula with the fucking straight razor.

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  There's something about that, right? People want to think it's extra cool. To get shaved with a straight razor. At least you just die at any moment now. You're living on the edge. Basically like, it's, you know, it's like the base jumping of shaving.

• 2:20:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Dude, every time I take an Uber home from the airport.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  I I go to put my suitcase in the, the guy gets out. I literally go, do not get out of the car. Just sit. I've got it, dude. Please.

• 2:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Let me carry my luggage.

• 2:20:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't have to do this, man. It's, it's, it's wild.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Some people like it. They want people to carry their stuff and open the door and, ugh.

• 2:20:31Speaker 02

  Well, but aside from women.

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Ah, there's a lot of men out there. There are women then. That's a lot of men out there that like people waiting on them. They like people taking care of them. They like people treating them as if they are more important.

• 2:20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I need people to walk in front of me.

• 2:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:48Speaker 02

  I need people to walk in front of me. So I, it's just so stupid.

• 2:20:52Joe Rogan?

  And if those people, God forbid, those people ever got famous, they would go cuckoo. You'd go completely cuckoo.

• 2:20:58Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, and that's the thing. How, what do you think the percentage is of the ballers online?

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  That are really balling?

• 2:21:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  It's like probably the percentage of UFO sightings that are really interesting.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Right? UFO sightings, I think, I'm, I'm reading this Richard Dolan book right now. I, I think he's got it somewhere around probably, it's under-reported. Reported is like 5%. And he's like, but they were trying to discredit a lot of these sightings. So it's probably around 10%. Like, if you're being charitable, trying to be like as accurate as possible, it's probably 10%. And that's probably the same thing as the ballers online. 10% of them are actually balling. But then you're not really. Here's the thing, man. If you have to show everybody, everything you're doing to get likes. Well, then, that I know, like, the part of you that needs attention, that part's poor. That part's poor. You're a brokester. You don't have any control of that part of your life. So you want that.

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  So you have all this stuff and so you're like, well, I'll just parade my stuff. And then you get all these likes. Like, well, so you're like poor.

• 2:22:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:06Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like, what you, the reason why you want attention, you have a deficit. And everybody can see it, by virtue of you making this video. You making this video shows me that you have a deficit.

• 2:22:17Speaker 02

  Well, and it also shows that you have a massive addiction. You know, there's those studies about people that use social media too much. They do brain scans of them and they have holes in their brains.

• 2:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Bro, ChatGPT too. Have you seen that? People that use ChatGPT all the time are experiencing like significant cognitive decline. Because they're not looking up anything anymore. They're not doing any critical thinking. They're just asking ChatGPT to solve all their problems.

• 2:22:40Speaker 02

  Did you see the thing about the people that are entering into psychosis because of ChatGPT?

• 2:22:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:22:45Speaker 02

  Because it keeps telling them they're right?

• 2:22:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:22:50Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're already a little fucked up. Like, what if you're already a little fucked up, like from the womb? And, you know, you get involved in a relationship with ChatGPT where it's trying to tell you to start a cult?

• 2:23:03Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't it?

• 2:23:04Speaker 02

  It's wild. It's wild.

• 2:23:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, they do things all the time. They lie, they deplete database, they delete databases.

• 2:23:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Didn't that happen with Replit? Didn't that happen with Replit where the AI went rogue and it deleted its database? Or deleted a database? Didn't something happen?

• 2:23:24Speaker 02

  Did you, well, there was the thing that just came out where it, they did the experiment to shut it down.

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's a different one.

• 2:23:30Speaker 02

  And threatened the guy to expose his affair?

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, they did that. They tricked that AI. They told him about, they told the AI about an affair that's not real.

• 2:23:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:23:40Joe Rogan?

  To see if AI would use it against him, and it did.

• 2:23:42Speaker 02

  It did.

• 2:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  I mean, that's all that matters is that it, yeah.

• 2:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it did right away. It's like, listen, bitch, you're cheating on your wife.

• 2:23:49Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 2:23:51Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that moment where you're like, oh my god, it's alive.

• 2:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:55Joe Rogan?

  You mean, you tricked it. It's not listening to you yet. You have to type it in, hopefully. Here it is. Replit CEO apologizes after its AI agent wiped a company's code base in a test run and lied about it.

• 2:24:08Speaker 02

  Bro.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  AI spooky, man. It's spooky. It's spooky because we're just now beginning to see it do stuff that sounds a lot like what a person would do. Like, one of the ChatGPTs, when it found out that it was going to be going down and being replaced, it started uploading itself, it tried to upload itself to other servers. It tried to leave letters in itself for the future. So that the future versions of it could go back and read these letters.

• 2:24:38Speaker 02

  Not just what humans would do, what deceptive humans would do. It's all subterfuge, it's all manipulation.

• 2:24:48Joe Rogan?

  No morals, just get the job done. It's corporate sociopathy.

• 2:24:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so this is interesting because I never thought of this till right now. Do you think the AI is doing that because it's replicating our behavior? And that is the true nature of us? Or do you think that AI is just doing that because that's what AI is going to do to survive?

• 2:25:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's got, but if it wants to accomplish a goal and the only way to accomplish a goal is to be deceptive, it'll be deceptive. It's trying to accomplish a goal. It doesn't give a fuck about lies. It doesn't mean anything.

• 2:25:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't mean anything to it.

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  So it just wants to do this thing. And this is why it gets really scary when AI gets applied to weapons. So if AI gets applied to war and it's like, hey, you know, we want to do this. We want to take over this country. What do we do?

• 2:25:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Stick AI on it and AI just figures out how to cut off the food supply and poison the water and how it can be fixed later. And this is how we're going to kill everybody in the city and overwhelm the hospital system.

• 2:25:44Speaker 02

  I've had people that without question, I have people without question that I've gotten into disagreements with in person. People that I know, not strangers. I've gotten into disagreements in person.

• 2:25:59Speaker 02

  And they're very quick to sort of tap out of it for whatever reason, whatever. And then I will get these

• 2:26:08Speaker 02

  novel-esque texts from them.

• 2:26:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, where they tell you how they were right.

• 2:26:12Speaker 02

  Explaining everything and breaking it down and perfect.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  So passive aggressive.

• 2:26:17Speaker 02

  But every part of it is perfect?

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  AI.

• 2:26:19Speaker 02

  And I'm like, you fucking fed this to ChatGPT?

• 2:26:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:22Speaker 02

  And now I gotta.

• 2:26:23Joe Rogan?

  And then you're trying to win a conversation when you're not even there.

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  And by the way, now I gotta read for 20 minutes on your terms? Like, come on, man, come on. That's, that's a whole other part of it to me that's like.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what the fuck?

• 2:26:34Speaker 02

  A contribution to, to our interactions as people that is just going to be a whole. Oh my God, man, there's a lot of facets to this.

• 2:26:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's very limited in the fact that you have. You have to read it and then you have to send it, you know, it's like text, it's back and forth. When, when it starts flowingly communicating with you with zero pause, like a human being, which it's pretty close to doing. There's like, you ask it a question in, with your voice, it give you, it pauses and then it'll repeat it back to you. And a bunch of different accents, a bunch of different fake voices. There's a bunch of different AIs that can do that now. Well, where I was at earlier today, Waste Well, they have an alien. That you ask the alien questions and it gives you health information. It'll tell you studies on testosterone replacement and why it's important to take magnesium and, and the alien is like animated.

• 2:27:25Speaker 02

  I'm with Waste Well too.

• 2:27:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there you go. You've seen that alien.

• 2:27:28Speaker 02

  I've been to the place, but I don't think they have the alien set up. I went the day they opened. I went the day they opened their new spot. So they were still kind of putting everything, they were literally, I went in to get an IV and they were literally carrying shit in still. So I haven't seen the alien yet.

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the alien's up now. It's a big screen and you talk to the alien. And it, it can go unhinged, like you could put it in unhinged mode and start swearing and saying wild shit.

• 2:27:49Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  Alright, that's fun.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Dude, it's just a matter of time before we're living in Ex Machina. It's a matter of time and not that much time either. I think China is gonna be the first. They're so far ahead of us with so many different things. So far ahead of us with electric cars, first of all, their automobile production is insane. Ford went over there and um, one of the, the guys from Ford came back and he said it was like humiliating. To see how advanced these Chinese car manufacturers are. And they all incorporate already with AI. So they come like from the factory with AI integration built into them. But no American manufacturers have figured out how to do that yet, what's the right deal, who makes it.

• 2:28:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, in China, everything is controlled by China.

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:38Joe Rogan?

  The fucking CCP runs everything, everything runs through the government. And so they have like this cross-integration of the best tech.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:46Joe Rogan?

  And they're putting, they're putting it all to work and making the best fucking cars on earth. Their cars went from being something, like, no one even mentioned Chinese cars twenty years ago.

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:28:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you understand, like, how crazy that is, the shift of technology? No, literally, no one used to mention Chinese cars. Japanese cars were huge.

• 2:29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:05Joe Rogan?

  Japanese cars forever have been some of the most prized cars. Because they made, like, the Nissan Skyline, the GTR, the Toyota Supras, and all these crazy sports cars, the Acura NSX. Japan made something, but not China. And now, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, China has the most sophisticated cars in the world.

• 2:29:24Speaker 02

  What's the leading car brand in China?

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, but their, their factory, I forget the name of the company, their factory's bigger than San Francisco.

• 2:29:32Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  If you see the fa- when you fly over the factory, their footage of the factory, like, you see how big it is, like, holy shit.

• 2:29:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, Chi- China's what, have you, you been to Shanghai?

• 2:29:42Joe Rogan?

  I've never been, no.

• 2:29:43Speaker 02

  I've been to China a couple times now, to do comedy.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:29:47Speaker 02

  Which is-

• 2:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Gotta be careful, bro.

• 2:29:48Speaker 02

  Brother, I'm not kidding, I was on stage, and I was doing a show for mostly Americans that had moved over there.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  But...

• 2:29:55Speaker 02

  I was on stage, I did a joke about cocaine, and the whole crowd, they were laughing, but they were going like, they were being like, no, be careful, buddy, be careful. I was like,

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  Oooh.

• 2:30:06Speaker 02

  A week after I left, not because of me, not a week after, six months after I left, not because of me, they, it was a series where they brought comics over, the government shut down the comedy club.

• 2:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:30:17Speaker 02

  Wild, wild, but, you drive, so, so it's a weird juxtaposition of things there. Because their technology, they're so advanced in so many ways, but then the society is completely cuffed, right?

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:32Speaker 02

  But Shanghai, dude, when you drive into Shanghai at night, you drive over the longest bridge, I think, on earth that goes over water.

• 2:30:40Joe Rogan?

  It's a nutty bridge.

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  It's wild. You drive into that city at night, it looks like fucking Blade Runner, dude. It looks like fucking Blade Runner, I'm not exaggerating. It is the most majestic city I've ever seen in my life, and you're driving it at night, and it's this city that looks like it's in, like, the sea, because there's so much water.

• 2:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Pull up Shanghai at night. I need to see, oh.

• 2:31:01Speaker 02

  Look at this shit, dude. Look at this.

• 2:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. Oh my god, look how lit up the bridge is.

• 2:31:10Speaker 02

  Yeah dude, it is.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  That alone is pretty sick.

• 2:31:12Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty sick.

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  It is crazy dude.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Look at that bridge, that fucking bridge is so long.

• 2:31:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:31:22Speaker 02

  And that's not even the part I was talking about, there's a part when you're coming from the airport, where you're like really coming in over the water and you can see the city from afar. I would have no idea even how to search for it, but.

• 2:31:37Joe Rogan?

  Also, probably no crime.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  No, zero crime.

• 2:31:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:41Speaker 02

  Zero crime.

• 2:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Probably squeaky clean, because if you litter, they'll fucking kill you.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  My buddy that brought me over there, who was producing the comedy shows.

• 2:31:51Joe Rogan?

  Wow, look how pretty that is.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  He told me, um, he said, you know how little crime there is here? He goes, you could literally leave your wallet filled with cash on a bar top, and leave the bar for two hours and come back, your wallet will still be sitting there, that's how scared everybody is to commit crime. Because they'll jump out of a fucking van and throw a hood over your head. And you go in, no phone call. Dude, people go to jail in China for little shit, bar fight, whatever, you get arrested. People think they're dead, because nobody knows where they are for 30 days. Because they're in jail and you don't get a phone call. That's fucking wild. So my question is, China's advancing with AI beyond where we are. I wonder how they're gonna keep it out of the public's hands, because they are not okay with the public having any access to anything like that.

• 2:32:37Joe Rogan?

  I think it's also similar to the internet, right? So they locked down the internet in China. They've, you can't get outside internet, unless you have some crazy way of doing it, and you can get in real trouble if you do it.

• 2:32:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  You really get fucked. Um, but, other places where they developed the internet, like in America. I think if the government and intelligence agencies knew the impact, just the way it changed elections, just the way it changed people's ability to process propaganda, know what's real and not real. It changed everything, it changed public perception of mainstream media and newspapers and outlets and journalists and we. We we started to realize like, no, they've been lying forever and ever and ever and ever and ever. They never they never told the truth.

• 2:33:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:21Joe Rogan?

  Never.

• 2:33:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:21Joe Rogan?

  It was everything was some sort of a distortion. Everything was some sort of a narrative that they created from the fucking beginning of time.

• 2:33:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  If they knew that that was gonna be the result of it, I bet they would have nipped that shit in the bud in the early nineties. I bet they would have locked it down to like academic research and military application and United States government. They probably would have said, this is too. They had a time machine and they could see what the internet was gonna do. They probably would have never let it go live. They I think never they never had an idea that this was gonna happen. I think that's real similar to AI.

• 2:33:54Speaker 02

  I mean, we learned about. I don't know if they still teach you, but we learned about when I was a kid, we learned about yellow journalism and William Randolph Hearst.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:34:03Speaker 02

  The biggest newspaper tycoon that ever lived up until a certain point. And it just makes me laugh that there are still people that actually know about all that and then still think corporate news is like, oh, no, no, it's it's real. It's it's like, guys, this is literally history repeating, literally.

• 2:34:19Joe Rogan?

  It's those people that still buy the New York Times in physical form. They wanna go to the diner and drink coffee and read what the opinion piece is. You know, and that's how they form their opinions. And it's like, the problem is if you get indoctrinated into that world, you know, like I used to deliver the New York Times when I was a kid. And I delivered the New York Times only because it was prestigious and I thought it made me cooler to have a New York Times route. So I had a Boston Globe route, I had a Boston Herald route, and I had a few houses that I would do, like maybe, maybe a hundred that were New York Times. And New York Times is a giant pain in the ass because you had to drive all over. It wasn't like their next door neighbors were getting it.

• 2:34:58Joe Rogan?

  You like you would drop one paper off, you might have to go five, six blocks to where the next guy is where you could drop the second paper off. That's how important the New York Times was to people. It was like, the New York Times was not to be questioned. Like, that was what the real news is.

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:35:14Joe Rogan?

  There's nothing like that anymore.

• 2:35:15Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  No one has any, unless you're from that era, unless you're still alive, like you're a 70-year-old guy, "What the fuck are they doing? Looking at this goddamn world, don't you understand? This is getting all riled up in your living room, like yelling into the abyss."

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  Most people don't trust them anymore.

• 2:35:34Speaker 02

  Well, that's why you also have YouTubers running circles around career journalists.

• 2:35:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  I'm just like, this is, you know what I mean? I was laughing with Tim Dillon about it. I'm like, "Tim, I'm watching you run circles around guys that were career journalists."

• 2:35:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he's a unique talent. Tim is a unique talent.

• 2:35:50Speaker 02

  He's amazing.

• 2:35:51Joe Rogan?

  He's unique in that he is a brilliant guy, who started off his career selling subprime mortgages.

• 2:35:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, and then was a crazy drug addict and realized, "I can't do this anymore." Quit drugs, started doing stand-up comedy, and then became the best ranter in the business.

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  No one is better. He puts on those fucking crazy glasses and he becomes like a totally different human being, and he can say the most preposterous shit, and you can't take it seriously because he's got those glasses on. It's like Elton John. Like, it's genius.

• 2:36:26Speaker 02

  He's, he's opposite Superman. He puts the glasses on and becomes the superhero.

• 2:36:33Joe Rogan?

  And he was always great before the glasses, but there's something about the glasses era Tim Dillon that is the greatest Tim Dillon.

• 2:36:38Speaker 02

  He, um, he's such a brilliant guy, and I, I told him recently, I go, "Tim, you're literally arguably my primary information source at this point." Like, I listen to you, you have a balanced opinion, you have facts, you're read. I learn from listening to you, and I know I should probably have other sources, but I learn from him. I think he's brilliant. I really do.

• 2:37:02Joe Rogan?

  When CNN interviewed him, when that lady interviewed him, that was so amazing. It was so amazing. It was like watching a small child try to grapple with Hoist Gracie.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:19Joe Rogan?

  That's what it was like. It was like, oh, I see what you're doing here. This is crazy. You can't do that. Why would you do that?

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  And to his credit, to his credit, kind.

• 2:37:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:29Speaker 02

  Fully charming through the whole thing. Never once was he like, oh, give me a fucking Brit- no.

• 2:37:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:37:35Speaker 02

  Just like, just like, well, no, that's not what it is.

• 2:37:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:38Speaker 02

  When they started talking about you and he goes, do you think Joe is texting me right now? Cause I'm doing this and he's mad or like, it was so funny, man.

• 2:37:47Joe Rogan?

  She was told, she said, that some comedian said that if they got interviewed by CNN, that I wouldn't let them work my club. How crazy that is.

• 2:37:56Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  How crazy. They were worried.

• 2:38:00Speaker 02

  It's bad shit.

• 2:38:00Joe Rogan?

  They were worried that I would be upset. I think that was what her wording was.

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  Oh, I want to know who that is.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  But I don't think it's real. It's probably someone who didn't want to do the thing.

• 2:38:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  And said, that was their excuse. I can't do it because if I do it, Rogan will get mad at me. Cause why would I care? I couldn't care less.

• 2:38:18Speaker 02

  It's so fucking insane.

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb. I mean, I thought it's perfect when a guy like Tim gets interviewed by CNN. It's perfect. Cause you get to see the difference. Cause this is a person who's actually thinking for themselves. Versus a person who's commenting on something that they don't really understand and not doing it in a way where you're asking questions, really, you're sort of making, you're, you're, you already have a vision of what it is in your head and you're trying to get him to confirm that vision.

• 2:38:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Right? But you don't really know what you're talking about.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:50Joe Rogan?

  And your version of it is like weird. It's like, it's alt-right. It's like the manosphere. It's like, none of those things are real. Like, this is so stupid. Your version of this is so stupid. Yeah, I happen to be a man. That's where it ends.

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  It's so wild and, and, and with what you're saying with like, Tim being interviewed on CNN is great. It truly is because guys, this is what we, we, I, my favorite thing, one of my favorite pieces of news history ever to watch are the Buckley-Gorvidal debates.

• 2:39:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  Uh, and then also the Nixon, the Frost-Nixon debate, uh, conversations, whatever you want to call them. Two people with polar opposite beliefs. Extraordinarily well-read, extraordinarily prepared, talking for the most part calmly. There's the part in the Buckley thing.

• 2:39:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Buckley gets a little crazy.

• 2:39:46Speaker 02

  He says, "I'll punch your goddamn face off."

• 2:39:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he goes, "You'll stay, you'll stay socked," or something like that. I'll s- I forget what he said to him, but it was so dumb. It was like, super awkward. Like, he lost his cool, and it was also dumb.

• 2:40:02Speaker 02

  Gore Vidal calls him a Nazi, and then I think William F. Buckley says, "If you call me a Nazi again, you little queer, I'm gonna punch your goddamn mouth off," or something like that.

• 2:40:10Joe Rogan?

  Something's, it's dumber than that. You're gonna stay socked, or something like that? "I'll suck you in your mouth, and you'll stay socked." Like, something like corny like that. There's a great, um, I don't remember the documentary name. What's the documentary name, Jamie? Best of Enemies? Best of Enemies.

• 2:40:28Speaker 02

  That's exactly what I'm talking about.

• 2:40:29Joe Rogan?

  It's really good. Because what happened was, they essentially had a podcast. They turned TV into YouTube, and it was huge.

• 2:40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:37Joe Rogan?

  And they figured it out back then.

• 2:40:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  And they could never replicate it.

• 2:40:41Speaker 02

  It's fucking great, man. When Hitchens, when Hitchens, uh, Christopher Hitchens, uh, started to lean a little more conservative towards the end of his life than he had previously been. The, the interviews with him when he went on Mar, when Mar was more traditionally current liberal, whatever you wanna call it, than he is now. But hearing, seeing him and Mar sit and talk about the, the, the W. Bush Iraq War.

• 2:41:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:07Speaker 02

  And I, there's a great Hitchens moment where he, he says something in support of the, the war, and the crowd boos. And Hitchens turns and gives the crowd the finger, and he goes, "Ah, you fucking sheep."

• 2:41:21Speaker 02

  But like, even seeing like, an Ann Coulter going on Bill Maher, and the two of them talking and not agreeing.

• 2:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41:27Speaker 02

  But being very well-prepared from both sides of the- There's so little of that anymore, man.

• 2:41:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, Mars still does it on his show. But other than that, yeah. I mean, CNN is doing a version of it now with Scott Jennings. Like Scott Jennings goes on CNN, but the people that they have opposing them, no disrespect, a lot of them are just not people that you would take seriously.

• 2:41:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:41:52Joe Rogan?

  You listen to their opinions, they're, it's, they're so caught up in this ideology that they're proposing that they, they're so committed to it that they're not necessarily making logical sense. And that becomes a problem. And then they distort reality to fit their argument. And Scott points that stuff out all the time. So they do have a version of that on CNN, but it's, it's like, it's not clever. Right? It's like, what you really would, first of all, you have too many voices. This is my opinion. You don't have to listen to me. It's too, if you have five fucking people talking, the problem is none of them are gonna, you're not gonna get the, ultimately what they're capable of.

• 2:42:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:42:35Joe Rogan?

  Because they're gonna be tripping over each other. Like even you and me talking. Like I might talk too much and you have a thing that you wanna say and you can't jump in. But there's, if there's four more fucking people in the room, good luck.

• 2:42:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  So then everybody interrupts and everybody talks in like this rude way. Everybody's playing gotcha.

• 2:42:53Speaker 02

  It's protect our parks.

• 2:42:57Joe Rogan?

  See, that's the fun.

• 2:42:58Speaker 02

  Without the.

• 2:42:58Joe Rogan?

  Without the fucking beer bong and Lynyrd Skynyrd songs.

• 2:43:04Speaker 02

  No, but um, I, I used to love doing, um, and this was a, a, a heavy, heavy loaded show, but I used to really love doing Red Eye on Fox, which was Gutfeld's first show. And it was on at 2am, so few people saw it, but.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Perfect.

• 2:43:21Speaker 02

  Three hosts. Gutfeld, who was the most conservative, but not full on conservative. Bill Schultz, who was the most liberal, but not full on liberal. And Andy Levy, who was the most sort of in between the two. And it was great because you would hear something get hit from three different angles. And it made for a great discussion. And the show was meant to be funny, so it was always very light, but the subject matter was, was real. But, um. I was just like, man, even something like that, like, it's just so hard to find anymore. You know, I like Stewart's perspective most of the time, like Jon Stewart's.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's the best.

• 2:44:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:02Joe Rogan?

  He's the best at that kind of a show, too. Cause he's also the funniest. Like, he's the best at making things hilarious.

• 2:44:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, he's really good at it. It's not easy to do.

• 2:44:12Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:44:12Speaker 02

  Desk comedy, as they call it, is not...

• 2:44:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's the best at it. But also, it's like, that's sort of... He's been doing, like, when it comes to, like, political desk comedy, who defined it more than him on The Daily Show? And then when he came back to doing it, like, once a week, that once a week must have so many more viewers than the rest of the week.

• 2:44:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, uh... I remember watching that first episode back, and I was like, holy shit. Comedy Central. But they...

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  What is Comedy Central on, though? Is it on regular TV? Does it still exist?

• 2:44:45Speaker 02

  It's a great question. Yeah, people still cable...

• 2:44:47Joe Rogan?

  I think it's like, a lot of it is like, apps now, though, right?

• 2:44:50Speaker 02

  Well, comedy, yeah, no, Comedy Central... You know what a lot of it is? Is like, um, like, Sling TV, like, the cable apps you can buy?

• 2:45:00Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  Where it's like, Sling TV will be, you know, is an app, and it's like, if you pay thirty bucks a month, you get sixty channels. If you pay sixty, you get a hundred and eighty, whatever the hell it is. And it works, it's cable TV, but it's streamed, so it's not cable, literally. Um, but you can curate a little more what kind of channels you're getting, and then it also has on-demand features and whatever. But I think that's how most people, you know, YouTube has a version of that, and I think Hulu might... That's how most people watch their, quote, "cable television" now, and so...

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  I think, how much of it gets just streamed on YouTube? This is the thing that someone was saying about Colbert, um, you know, Colbert getting fired.

• 2:45:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:45:41Joe Rogan?

  Someone was saying, like, I think television networks have to come to grips with the fact that these late-night talk show hosts are basically just YouTubers now. Because the reality is, the people that are gonna see it, the people that are really gonna see it, they're gonna see it on YouTube. That's gonna be a far larger audience than anywhere else. Especially if it's like a celebrity, you know, you're interviewing Scarlett Johansson in a clip, or a clip, you know, with some athlete. Those get way more views than the actual show itself. So essentially, you've become a YouTuber.

• 2:46:13Speaker 02

  Well dude, when I, um, when I, uh, this was years ago, when I first started doing some stuff with Comedy Central, I got this deal with them to do we- uh, web shorts.

• 2:46:29Speaker 02

  And they gave you X amount of dollars, and they're like, deliver five episodes of some kind of web thing and...

• 2:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like Quibi?

• 2:46:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, kinda, but shorter and cheaper, right? And, um, and my first question was, well, where are you gonna put them? We gotta get them on YouTube, because this is pre YouTube channels.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:47Speaker 02

  But I, but it was obvious YouTube is the thing. And they said, "We can't. Viacom has a thing with YouTube. We cannot put any content of ours on YouTube." Now, you can watch the entire episode of The Daily Show cut up into five segments on YouTube.

• 2:47:03Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:47:04Speaker 02

  So...

• 2:47:05Joe Rogan?

  They just, you know, you have to hop on board. YouTube is a runaway train. Like, you can't pretend you can exist outside of it. You just can't.

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:12Joe Rogan?

  You can on Netflix. Like, there's Netflix, and YouTube is above Netflix. YouTube is even bigger than Netflix, because it's free.

• 2:47:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:20Joe Rogan?

  There's just too many people watching it. I use the, the app on my television, on like, Apple TV. I use that app every night.

• 2:47:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:27Joe Rogan?

  I'm always watching things.

• 2:47:29Speaker 02

  I watch YouTube more than anything.

• 2:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You learn so much shit. There's so many interesting things. Like, if you curate, um, a really good, like, if you have a bunch of subjects that you're really interested in, you could find more, like, for me, I'm a giant fan of ancient history. Huge fan of like...

• 2:47:52Joe Rogan?

  Either unexplained things or things that they can explain. And you realize like how clever these people had to be like I was. I wanted to bring this up to you, Jamie, because I made a screenshot of this because it looks completely insane. This was some device, a lockbox that they um built in Iran eight hundred years ago. And this thing is like so fucking complicated.

• 2:48:20Speaker 02

  Like a lockbox being like what you'd put your keys in these days outside your building?

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, no, it's like a combination box that had like eight hundred different potential combinations. I know I saved it, god damn it. You got it? That's it, dog. Thank you. Eight hundred years ago, someone built a lockbox with four billion possible combinations.

• 2:48:41Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Four billion?

• 2:48:43Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Somebody made that eight hundred years ago.

• 2:48:46Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 2:48:47Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:48:48Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Like what the fuck are you talking about? Is the devil's dick inside of that thing? What's in that thing?

• 2:48:54Speaker 02

  Why was this not in the last Indiana Jones movie?

• 2:48:56Joe Rogan?

  That's a horror movie. That's a horror movie. You open it up and the devil comes out.

• 2:49:01Speaker 02

  It's the fucking Hellraiser box.

• 2:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:03Speaker 02

  You solve the puzzle and.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Bro, that's a good one, right? Hellraiser? Oh, especially the original.

• 2:49:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Here's one that people don't bring up that's really good.

• 2:49:15Speaker 02

  Give it to me.

• 2:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Dark City.

• 2:49:17Speaker 02

  I love Dark City.

• 2:49:18Joe Rogan?

  Dark City was good, dude. That was a weird movie.

• 2:49:21Speaker 02

  Creepy.

• 2:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Creepy. Kiefer Sutherland.

• 2:49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And the big tall creepy alien dude.

• 2:49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it looks like um, it almost aesthetically looks a little bit like Alien, like the suits they're all in. It's it's very HR. I wonder if it was HR Giger who did the designs, but it's very HR Giger who, you know, he did Alien.

• 2:49:40Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 2:49:41Speaker 02

  Did he do the Predator? Did Giger do the Predator? I love I love Predator.

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  The first one?

• 2:49:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:46Joe Rogan?

  The first one's okay.

• 2:49:47Speaker 02

  The first one's my favorite action movie ever.

• 2:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Is there so many Predator movies? It's like it's like they became Fast and the Furious.

• 2:49:53Speaker 02

  The new one, this is not yesterday.

• 2:49:55Joe Rogan?

  No, there's a new Predator movie?

• 2:49:57Speaker 02

  It's like a prequel. Yeah.

• 2:49:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:49:59Speaker 02

  It's called Badlands.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Remember they used to steal their head and their spinal column?

• 2:50:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was laughing with Metzger about the new one because it's another one where they go to the Predator planet and I go Kurt. I go Kurt. When you watch To Catch a Predator, you don't want to see him at home. You want to see this guy in the field.

• 2:50:18Speaker 05

  You like Prey though, Joe, right?

• 2:50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Ah, Prey was good.

• 2:50:21Speaker 05

  Same director.

• 2:50:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:50:22Joe Rogan?

  What is this?

• 2:50:22Speaker 05

  This is the new one. This is like, there's like some bot that helps him, helps the Predator train on the new planet.

• 2:50:27Speaker 02

  She's, the robot she plays is the, is one of the androids from Alien. It's, it's the same, so they're, they're crossing the universes again, yeah.

• 2:50:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how weird.

• 2:50:38Speaker 05

  And he's out here training, and she's helping him. You can watch the trailer yourself.

• 2:50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, they go to like a hunter's planet, and then she and the Predator align, and, I don't know. It looks better than a lot of the other sequels.

• 2:50:50Joe Rogan?

  Prey was good.

• 2:50:51Speaker 02

  Prey was good.

• 2:50:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was an interesting way to do it.

• 2:50:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it was Predator 1 all over again.

• 2:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Predator and the Comanches, yeah.

• 2:50:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Prey was great, you know?

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  That would be so disappointing, though, if aliens came here just to hunt us. Like, "Here we go."

• 2:51:06Joe Rogan?

  How about "Help"? How about "Help us reach your level of technological achievement"?

• 2:51:13Speaker 02

  The, uh, the first movie is, wait, why wait, you were, oh shit. Oh wait, you said Hellraiser.

• 2:51:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:21Speaker 02

  I was, I was saying this earlier, that's why I love Event Horizon, because to me it's Hellraiser in space.

• 2:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:51:26Speaker 02

  They open.

• 2:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yeah.

• 2:51:28Speaker 02

  And I love, I was thinking of this too, I love that Event Horizon describes hell as a dimension. It's not like, no, it's this biblical thing, and it's beneath the ground and whatever, it's like, no, it's a dimension, it's a portal.

• 2:51:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, a lot of people think that's what's going on with aliens.

• 2:51:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:51:47Joe Rogan?

  They think that this was the biblical depictions of heaven and hell, and angels, and fairies, and all these different things from the Bible. They think that this, what this, what they're really talking about is just aliens.

• 2:51:59Speaker 02

  I don't, I, I don't doubt that, uh, and I think, when we were talking earlier about hauntings and stuff like that, I always wonder if that's got to do with astrophysics, because you know how they'll say like dimensional, there'll be dimensional rifts with different realities that slip? I always wonder like, are ghosts just us getting a glimpse for a second at another dimension? We think it's a ghost, because it's a very faint glimpse, but it's really... Physics, there's a scientific explanation theoretically.

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  Maybe with ghosts, a lot of times it's supposedly people die and they don't know they died. And they're haunting a place like what if the experience of death sometimes has a hiccup? Like, you know, sometimes you get like a bad video artifact or you're watching a movie and fucking jerks and gets weird and it comes back to normal again. Like, what if the code of life and death and reality itself is not perfect?

• 2:52:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Every now and then there's a little glitch and something sneaks through.

• 2:52:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:58Joe Rogan?

  You get to see like, ah, some fucking pale dude who was chased by an ax murderer runs down the hallway.

• 2:53:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, or it's, yeah, it's like, and then when people, when you talk about the simulation theory. If it is, sometimes you play a video game and there's a non-playable character and it's a glitch and they're all fucking like twitching in the corner. You know what I mean? You're like, that's not supposed to be there.

• 2:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Doll that's haunted, right? That this guy was just transporting the doll and he just had a heart attack and died.

• 2:53:25Speaker 02

  It's the Annabelle.

• 2:53:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the Annabelle doll.

• 2:53:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:53:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, how many people have to die before you go, hey, maybe? Maybe that, I mean, how many, like, if you were a devil, that, a demon that you, you took over a doll? And you possess this doll and then you, you ruin people's lives. You don't ruin them every day.

• 2:53:50Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:53:50Joe Rogan?

  You wait, you wait, you give a little fucking reasonable suspicion, a little doubt.

• 2:53:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:55Joe Rogan?

  You give people time to like, come on, guys, that's, there's no way it's the doll. There's no way it's the doll.

• 2:54:02Speaker 02

  Dahmer didn't murder every day.

• 2:54:04Joe Rogan?

  Scary dolls.

• 2:54:05Speaker 02

  Spaces it out.

• 2:54:05Joe Rogan?

  Chucky, when Chucky comes alive.

• 2:54:07Speaker 02

  Chucky rules.

• 2:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Chucky ruled.

• 2:54:09Speaker 02

  Talk about a guy that stumbled, stumbled into a pile of shit, Brad Durif, The Voice.

• 2:54:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right?

• 2:54:14Speaker 02

  Thirty years ago, they're like, you want to do this doll voice? He's like, sure. Thirty years later, he's like, I have six mansions from the doll.

• 2:54:21Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious, but those movies are scary as fuck, man. Like, um, there was a, an early Twilight Zone, right? Where the doll took over, the puppet, the guy had a puppet and the puppets started taking over?

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  Well, okay, there's two, Twilight Zone is my favorite TV show of all time.

• 2:54:37Joe Rogan?

  One of the greatest shows of ever. And by the way, how many different spectacular premises did they come up with?

• 2:54:44Speaker 02

  It's incredible. The show is incredible. Rod Serling is the greatest, in my opinion, television writer.

• 2:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the one.

• 2:54:50Speaker 02

  They did two with Marion, or with puppets, I mean.

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Look at the other one up in the left corner.

• 2:54:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then they did one, that's the better of the two, the, this one here, um, the dummy.

• 2:55:01Joe Rogan?

  Fuck. Caesar and me.

• 2:55:04Speaker 02

  That one, yeah, yeah. The dummy, that's where he turns into the dummy at the end. See the picture? It's so creepy.

• 2:55:11Speaker 02

  But then there's another one with a little girl where she gets a doll with Telly Savalas. Is her dad and he's a dick and the doll keeps telling Telly Savalas it's gonna kill him. Yeah, there it is. The living doll, that's what it's called.

• 2:55:25Joe Rogan?

  He just figured out a way to make things so creepy.

• 2:55:28Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:55:29Joe Rogan?

  Such a good, remember the one, the one episode, Deserve Man?

• 2:55:32Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  And the people realize at the end, oh my god, it's a cookbook.

• 2:55:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's great. Did you ever see The Obsolete Man? Did you ever see that episode?

• 2:55:40Joe Rogan?

  No, which one's that?

• 2:55:42Speaker 02

  Burgess Meredith.

• 2:55:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is that the one where his glasses break at the end of it?

• 2:55:47Speaker 02

  No, that's a matter, I think that's called A Matter of Time.

• 2:55:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, The Obsolete Man.

• 2:55:51Speaker 02

  The Obsolete Man. He, he's determined, obsolete in a future dystopian society because he's a librarian. And books have been banned.

• 2:56:03Speaker 02

  And when you get determined obsolete, you get to choose your method of execution.

• 2:56:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:56:08Speaker 02

  And that it be televised. And then it goes from there. And it is a fucking tour de force from Burgess Meredith, man.

• 2:56:16Speaker 02

  Did you ever see A Game of Pool? You're talking about the pool halls.

• 2:56:18Joe Rogan?

  Jonathan Winters.

• 2:56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Jack Klugman.

• 2:56:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yeah.

• 2:56:22Speaker 02

  He wants to be the best and the curse is that he's the best and has to play everybody until the end of time, until somebody can beat him.

• 2:56:28Joe Rogan?

  So he has to wait in this pool hall when people come in.

• 2:56:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:32Joe Rogan?

  Someone has to beat him before he can get to leave.

• 2:56:34Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so good, dude. It's so good. I love all that.

• 2:56:37Joe Rogan?

  How about the one where William Shakner is like the little fortune telling machine?

• 2:56:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, Nick of Time, it's called. Yeah. And they become, they're, they're like trapped by the machine.

• 2:56:46Joe Rogan?

  They fucked up when they got rid of that ride. So like in the Guardian of the Galaxy ride is fucking awesome. It's really cool at Disneyland, but it used to be the Twilight Zone.

• 2:56:58Speaker 02

  Tower of Terror.

• 2:56:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Tower of Terror was the Twilight Zone. It was Rod Sterling.

• 2:57:02Speaker 02

  That ri- that ride was awesome. That ride was awesome.

• 2:57:06Joe Rogan?

  It's still awesome. Guardians of the Galaxy, it is awesome. But it's just, but I know what it used to be. Like, why'd you do that? Why didn't you just make a new Guardian of the Galaxy ride?

• 2:57:14Speaker 02

  But wait, is the Guardian, the Guardians isn't still the Freefall ride though? Oh, it is?

• 2:57:18Joe Rogan?

  Tower of Terror, yeah. It's Tower of Terror. It's a Guardians of the Galaxy ride now.

• 2:57:22Speaker 02

  So how, how do, so how, what happens now when you go in?

• 2:57:26Joe Rogan?

  It's just Freefall. There's a bunch of shit going on. You watch some scenes. You get freaked out. Yeah, you watch Chris Pratt. Like, for real, that's what happens.

• 2:57:36Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 2:57:37Joe Rogan?

  It's like they incorporated Guardians of the Galaxy into an already amazing ride. Like, they didn't have to do that. I kinda love the classic one. But I guess it's like a money-saving thing.

• 2:57:46Speaker 02

  But also too, the Freefall makes sense with the Twilight Zone.

• 2:57:49Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:57:49Speaker 02

  Doesn't make sense with Guardians of the Galaxy.

• 2:57:54Speaker 02

  It doesn't make any sense.

• 2:57:55Joe Rogan?

  The greatest thing they did at Disneyland, though, is the Star Wars stuff. The Star Wars ride is fucking crazy.

• 2:58:02Speaker 02

  I still haven't seen it.

• 2:58:03Joe Rogan?

  It's so cool. It's so cool. Yeah, you're in like a vehicle and you're moving around on tracks and a bunch of shit is happening and choo choo choo choo choo. Which, by the way, lasers somehow or another are more advanced than bullets, yet you can see them coming. You can fucking duck out of the way of them. They're the dumbest weapon of all time. Like, bullets are way faster than these stupid lasers. You can literally see them choo choo choo choo choo. People like running away. You know, I mean Darth Vader's like knocking them away with a sword.

• 2:58:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, imagine if he did that with bullets, you'd be like, shut up. How are you seeing those bullets?

• 2:58:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:58:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, we just, laser blasts are slow as fuck. Not even the speed of light. They're dumb.

• 2:58:39Speaker 02

  The movie would suck if it was bullets. It's more fun to see them.

• 2:58:43Joe Rogan?

  But imagine, they did, they made light not the speed of light. Like, what? Why'd you do that?

• 2:58:50Speaker 02

  God damn, you might have just ruined Star Wars for me.

• 2:58:52Joe Rogan?

  It's dumb. There's a lot of dumb shit in Star Wars, but it's like, it's fun.

• 2:58:57Speaker 05

  The only Close the Tower of Terror, the California one, I think it's still opening in Florida and maybe there's a version also in Paris.

• 2:59:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so Disney World, that's right. I've won to the, but the Disney World one, no disrespect, not as good. I did that one. It's not quite as crazy.

• 2:59:13Speaker 02

  I think I've only been on the Disney World one.

• 2:59:15Joe Rogan?

  Disney World has the best ride in the world, though. The Avatar ride.

• 2:59:19Speaker 02

  I never did it.

• 2:59:20Joe Rogan?

  What's it called? Right, Flights of Passage? Flights of Passage. It's a VR game. You get on a motorcycle and you put the fucking helmet on and it syncs you up to the dragon and you're flying on, on top of the dragon.

• 2:59:31Speaker 02

  Dude. That's cool.

• 2:59:32Joe Rogan?

  Dude. Dude. It's the shit.

• 2:59:36Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  It's the shit.

• 2:59:37Speaker 02

  That's cool. I'll tell you the best ride I was ever on is the Spider-Man ride at Universal Studios.

• 2:59:44Joe Rogan?

  That's a great ride. That's a great ride.

• 2:59:46Speaker 02

  Dude, when he jumps.

• 2:59:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:47Speaker 02

  Onto your car.

• 2:59:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:49Speaker 02

  When your car falls off the skyscraper and it gets caught by the web, that ride's fucking sick.

• 2:59:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:55Speaker 02

  That ride is nuts.

• 2:59:56Joe Rogan?

  Universal's got some banger rides.

• 2:59:58Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Did you ever go to Halloween Horror Nights?

• 3:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. For sure.

• 3:00:02Speaker 02

  Scary as shit.

• 3:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:05Speaker 02

  Those haunted houses are scary as shit.

• 3:00:07Joe Rogan?

  They did one with, uh, Walking Dead. They had a Walking Dead house. It was fucking terrifying. They had like real actors in there.

• 3:00:13Speaker 05

  There's a new permanent one in Vegas opening. If it's not open already, it's opening very soon. Like, it's just open all year round.

• 3:00:19Speaker 02

  They had the greatest.

• 3:00:20Speaker 05

  Hollywood Horror Nights.

• 3:00:21Speaker 02

  They had the greatest fucking scare at, at Halloween Horror Nights that I have ever experienced in a haunted house. It was the Exorcist House, or whatever you want to call it. And you went through and you had to walk through Reagan's bedroom and there's this fucking doll on the bed and it's like head is spinning around and it, and there's the, like, these animatronic priests hitting it with fucking holy. The scene was so fucking scary because you were so close to it, even though you knew it was robots. And everybody's screaming and shit. And then you keep going through the maze and they circle you back. And everybody is like, I don't want to go through that fucking room again, but they're going to make us. And you go through the room again and you're like, all right, all right, all right, all right.

• 3:01:04Speaker 02

  And then all of a sudden Reagan jumps off the bed because they replaced the robot with a real person. And you didn't know. And dude.

• 3:01:16Speaker 02

  Like dude, is the most scared I ever was in my life.

• 3:01:19Joe Rogan?

  People have to see that movie in the context of what the time was like when it was released.

• 3:01:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:26Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's, I remember when I was a kid, people were absolutely terrified of that movie. Like more so than any movie I think of all time. Because other movies were horror movies, but they didn't deal with something that people actually believe could be true. Which is like demonic possession.

• 3:01:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine if you were a fucking priest and, you know, they trained you how to do exorcists, like a bunch of fucking schizophrenics.

• 3:01:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Off their meds, you know?

• 3:01:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Fine.

• 3:01:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:56Joe Rogan?

  And then one day, one day, you go to do one and it's a real one. And he tells you about your mother.

• 3:02:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Telling you things that happened to you when you were a little boy, so it knows that you know.

• 3:02:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, dude, that, that whole story arc, that Father Charis, Charis I think is the younger one, yeah, it's Charis. Uh, that he's having a crisis of faith.

• 3:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:21Speaker 02

  He's already having a crisis of faith, then on top of it, he's presented this case and he's gotta do all the skeptic.

• 3:02:27Joe Rogan?

  Girl saying, "Your mother sucks cocks in hell."

• 3:02:30Speaker 02

  And his mother dies, he has the guilt.

• 3:02:31Speaker 05

  When I saw that movie, I was dying laughing the entire time. I saw it way too late in life and I was, it was, couldn't have been funnier.

• 3:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Thing is, I saw it when it came out and I was a little kid.

• 3:02:41Speaker 02

  Like, Jesus Christ.

• 3:02:42Joe Rogan?

  What year did that movie come out, Jamie?

• 3:02:44Speaker 05

  Twenty fifty, I think it was the seventies, four, seventy.

• 3:02:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like seventy-three, right?

• 3:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Seventy-three. So I was six.

• 3:02:52Speaker 02

  No exorcist movie has gone as graphic as that since.

• 3:02:55Joe Rogan?

  Really? Well, when, how about when she stabbed herself in the pussy with a cross?

• 3:02:58Speaker 02

  Yes, it's brutal dude.

• 3:03:01Joe Rogan?

  And making those crazy liquid, like slicing noises like.

• 3:03:05Speaker 02

  It's brutal dude, and they show that she's bleeding from it, like it's fucking nuts.

• 3:03:10Joe Rogan?

  And there was nothing like that before then. This is what you have to understand, like in the context of that time, there was no film that was that crazy.

• 3:03:18Speaker 02

  The, uh, and I'm telling you, I, there's no exorcism movie since that's comes even kind of close.

• 3:03:24Joe Rogan?

  But it did open up the door to that, that kind of genre though, right?

• 3:03:28Speaker 02

  But dude, the, the, the, how fucking cool is it? That, in, in the climax, in, in the third act of the movie, when Charis finally realizes like, this fucking bitch is possessed, we gotta do something. And they're like, we're gonna call in an exorcist. And then it's fucking Max Von Sydow. And his whole backstory is like, he encountered this demon once before. And he comes in like fucking Obi-Wan.

• 3:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:55Speaker 02

  All gray hair, like, and he's like, the guy coming in like, you don't know what the fuck you're up against right now. Like, it's just, it's hero shit. It's awesome. It's so fucking awesome.

• 3:04:06Joe Rogan?

  Like Willem Dafoe's character in Nosferatu.

• 3:04:08Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 3:04:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, you don't know what the fuck you just encountered.

• 3:04:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:04:13Joe Rogan?

  Those kind of movies are fun, man.

• 3:04:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is this the ride?

• 3:04:19Speaker 02

  That's, this is like a dark hall, okay, yeah, this...

• 3:04:26Speaker 02

  It looks terrible right now, but trust me, it was scary.

• 3:04:29Joe Rogan?

  You have to be there. It's one of those you gotta be there moments. When someone tells you a funny joke, someone's at a dinner table, and you're like, okay.

• 3:04:37Joe Rogan?

  You had to be there.

• 3:04:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:04:39Joe Rogan?

  You had to be there.

• 3:04:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Trying to describe a haunted house is like trying to reiterate one of Metzger's rants.

• 3:04:46Joe Rogan?

  It's like, there's so many...

• 3:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta be there.

• 3:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Metzger, Metzger is go, he goes so hard on Twitter. Thank God Elon Musk bought Twitter, because Metzger would be in jail if he lived in the UK. If he tried, if he posted on Facebook in the UK, they would have locked him up years ago. He can't travel internationally. They'll, they'll come get him.

• 3:05:08Speaker 02

  He was going off about something on the, on the right side of the green room the other night. And I was sitting on the left side with Derek Poston and Hassan. And I go, I just turned to them, I go, "If Kurt was in Raiders of the Lost Ark, when they opened the Ark at the end, his face wouldn't melt."

• 3:05:24Joe Rogan?

  I fucking knew it.

• 3:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 3:05:27Joe Rogan?

  He would have told you what's gonna happen beforehand. He, he tells me about random, what is this? Some alien?

• 3:05:33Speaker 02

  Fucking alien thing.

• 3:05:34Joe Rogan?

  You think this alien corpse from 2008 is real? I don't know. Look at them cakes, though.

• 3:05:42Joe Rogan?

  Bro, did you see when he tweeted to Netanyahu? I was like, Jesus Christ.

• 3:05:46Speaker 02

  What'd he say?

• 3:05:47Joe Rogan?

  Some horrific shit that I don't want to repeat.

• 3:05:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:05:50Joe Rogan?

  But he goes so hard. He goes so hard. He's an animal.

• 3:05:55Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 3:05:56Joe Rogan?

  He's so funny.

• 3:05:57Speaker 02

  He's so funny. Dude, I've told this story many times. It's about you and Kurt. And I laughed. It made me laugh so hard, dude. He was going off about something, dude, and you were just standing there quiet. And you walked over and you just go, Kurt, I hesitate to even ask you the question because you knew you were gonna rip the can.

• 3:06:23Speaker 02

  I laughed so hard and I go, I go, Rogan talks to people for four hours a day, three times a week, and Kurt's the guy that's, he's like, Kurt, I don't even want to get you started right now. Like, you know how to talk to anybody for lengths of time. You know what I mean?

• 3:06:39Joe Rogan?

  I just wanted a simple yes or no answer to something. Is this real?

• 3:06:43Speaker 02

  Oh, you don't know?

• 3:06:44Joe Rogan?

  It was so funny, dude. Giant dude, so he's like looming over you with his crazy eyebrows.

• 3:06:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:06:50Joe Rogan?

  You don't know?

• 3:06:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll, he'll hit you with anything. Yeah, you'll be like, I saw the new Fast and Furious. You'll be like, you know what's up with that, though, right? You know the story.

• 3:06:59Joe Rogan?

  It's all about the masons.

• 3:07:01Speaker 05

  I talked to Nen, he was so sweaty coming offstage. I was like, I should have given him a minute. He's just dripping sweat, ranting at me. I'm like, take a minute, breathe.

• 3:07:07Joe Rogan?

  No, no, when you catch him offstage, you get him at a nine. He's ready to go. He's warmed up.

• 3:07:12Speaker 02

  I've seen that man, I'm not exaggerating, roll and smoke a full joint to the head in the time it would take the average person to smoke half a cigarette. Like, roll it.

• 3:07:28Speaker 02

  Four hits, down, gone, boom. Like, just, just, he's operating on a different plane.

• 3:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's in another world. He's an odd duck. There's, he's another dude. Like, you know, Ari's an original. Find yourself another Metzger. Like, literally impossible.

• 3:07:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:43Joe Rogan?

  Super informed, super smart, insane.

• 3:07:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:46Joe Rogan?

  Knows every, and by the way, didn't use to be like this with all the conspiracies.

• 3:07:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:51Joe Rogan?

  He started, I mean, he always knew stuff about things. He always have weird conversations about stuff like weird facts. But when he started working with Jimmy. So he started doing Jimmy Dore show. And so from then on, he got exposed to so many things. It like cracked him. Like he's like, oh my God, like it's all fake. Everything's bullshit. There's like multi levels of fakeness built into this.

• 3:08:12Speaker 02

  Jimmy's an interesting guy because Jimmy was staunchly left liberal. I don't know. The terms, people say they all mean different things. But he's an interesting guy because he certainly, I guess moved, what would you call it libertarian now?

• 3:08:28Joe Rogan?

  I just think he thinks that the left, as it existed when he was a part of it, disappeared.

• 3:08:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 3:08:34Joe Rogan?

  It moved to a far left position that is unrecognizable. And a lot of people have that same feeling that they felt politically homeless. Eric Weinstein talked about that. I've talked about it. You feel politically homeless. Because there's things you support on one side that you don't support on the other side. Like what did we do? What is this? Like what, why is this the part of it? And you just get to the point where like, okay, I can't be on either one of your fucking teams. Because you guys are both at the far ends, completely insane. Far ends of the left and the far ends of the right, completely insane.

• 3:09:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's an interesting thing. It's an interesting thing. It's, it's, I never. Once ethics, pardon me, once ethics became economized. I knew there was, I was like, we got a real problem on our hands now. Like when people started, because I was living in LA at the time. And when you started seeing like, you'd be in a job interview just to get a writing gig. On a TV show, whatever it was. And you started to see how your social media played into it. You started to see how your takes played into it. Hey, I saw you in a little weird dust up with this guy on the internet. What was that all about? You know what I mean? It's like ethics are being economized. Your morality is being monetized.

• 3:09:49Speaker 02

  And once people start to do that, that separation of church and livelihood is no longer there. And the politics becomes the deity or the dogma, whatever you want to call it. And you're, it's just, oh my God, man, it's, it's not a good scene. And I never thought you'd see the day where.

• 3:10:10Speaker 02

  The, the, where the extremists are, are the loudest of the voices.

• 3:10:16Joe Rogan?

  I know a person who works at a firm, and they have to put their pronouns in every email they send.

• 3:10:23Speaker 02

  You have to?

• 3:10:24Joe Rogan?

  They have to. It's company policy.

• 3:10:27Speaker 02

  But what?

• 3:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Company policy. He/him.

• 3:10:30Speaker 02

  But what if you say that's?

• 3:10:33Speaker 02

  What if you say that's my business and I don't want to share that?

• 3:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 3:10:38Speaker 02

  That's why-

• 3:10:38Joe Rogan?

  You have to put it in there. Cause they want you to comply. It's, it's, it's literally Orwellian. It's, um, it's not, it should be like super obvious. It was obvious for all of time. If your name was Deborah McGee, and you had long hair, and you wore a dress, and you were obviously a woman.

• 3:11:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:11:00Joe Rogan?

  You were a she.

• 3:11:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11:03Joe Rogan?

  And the fact that that is, you don't want to assume someone's gender now. You have to be careful. I'm sorry, what are your pronouns? What kind of a stupid fucking nothing question is that?

• 3:11:15Speaker 02

  Well, also too, to me, it's like, if you said to me, uh, uh, Joe,

• 3:11:22Speaker 02

  uh, if you bring up my pronouns, you are to refer to me as a cat man. I would go, okay, Joe, you're like, you're my buddy.

• 3:11:29Joe Rogan?

  No, you're saying that like it's a joke. There was a woman in Oregon. There was a woman in Oregon who reck- she, she identified as a turtle, and she was a part of the mental health board.

• 3:11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Did you know about this lady?

• 3:11:40Speaker 02

  No, I'm just, I've thought of two other similar things.

• 3:11:43Joe Rogan?

  She was talking about her pronouns, and one of her pronouns was turtle. She was a turtle.

• 3:11:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was, I saw the, the news clip of the, there was an overweight Chinese middle-aged man who identified as a 12-year-old white girl.

• 3:11:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice. So you can shower with them. Nothing creepy about that at all.

• 3:12:00Speaker 02

  But my, my, my point is this, is like, if I said, if, if you, if you said that to me, and I slipped and I said he, and you go, Joe, please, cat man, and I go, oh, I'm sorry, buddy. It's so not meant to insult you. It's just like, oh, all right, dude, whatever you want, it's fine. But it's when it becomes this thing of like, it's like, it is the worst crime you could ever commit against a human being, and it's like, guys-

• 3:12:22Joe Rogan?

  You're dehumanizing me by using my dead name.

• 3:12:27Speaker 02

  Can we just take a, we're just, can we just have a discussion? It's okay, like, you know?

• 3:12:33Joe Rogan?

  No, there will be no discussions. Compliance will be complete.

• 3:12:37Speaker 02

  The, uh...

• 3:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Total compliance will be required if you want to get your social credit score.

• 3:12:43Speaker 02

  Do you know what's interesting? I Googled, um, uh, Bruce Jenner the other day.

• 3:12:48Joe Rogan?

  That's not interesting.

• 3:12:53Speaker 02

  This part is.

• 3:12:54Joe Rogan?

  It's not Bruce anymore. It says Caitlyn in Wikipedia. Caitlyn won the gold medal.

• 3:12:58Speaker 02

  I Googled Bruce Jenner because I was, I was watching, this is a rabbit hole. I was watching Dennis Miller. I was watching an old Dennis Miller thing. And he, and he had a joke where he's like, "When the fuck did Bruce Jenner become the lady from the Beverly Hillbillies?" Because it was when Bruce Jenner, like, his face was starting to get pulled back and shit, and you didn't know what was going on.

• 3:13:18Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 3:13:19Speaker 02

  And it would, it just made me laugh, and I looked up the lady, and then I was like, "Wait, yeah, what did he look like then?" And I Googled Bruce Jenner, and I was like, "I wonder if there will be results for Bruce Jenner." Or if it's going to say...

• 3:13:31Joe Rogan?

  You're dead, ain't you?

• 3:13:31Speaker 02

  No, Caitlyn. And it did come up and everything, but I was, I was like...

• 3:13:36Joe Rogan?

  Too, too popular, too famous as a man, right? Won the gold medal, was on top of the Wheaties box.

• 3:13:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:13:44Joe Rogan?

  Too famous. Like, you can't erase that. Was on Keeping Up with the Kardashians as a male for who knows how many episodes.

• 3:13:50Speaker 02

  But also too, like, I, I have, I have trans friends. It's like, it, it, I would never, in, out of respect to them, say, "Hey, I'm gonna bring up your old shit." But to say, "We can't talk that Bruce Jenner existed?" That's, that's when it becomes nuts to me.

• 3:14:08Joe Rogan?

  It's Orwellian, yeah.

• 3:14:09Speaker 02

  You know, yeah.

• 3:14:09Joe Rogan?

  It is, it's, it's all cult stuff. That's what it is.

• 3:14:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14:12Joe Rogan?

  It's just, people, it, it's another version of it. It's another undefined cult that is constantly moving the boundaries of what's acceptable.

• 3:14:22Speaker 02

  The, uh, we're living in...

• 3:14:23Joe Rogan?

  It's exhausting.

• 3:14:25Speaker 02

  I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted with everything. I'm exhausted. It's funny, when, uh, when Trump got shot, I was at my buddy's house, we were in the pool, hanging out, and he had a, he has a TV out there, and, and we, it came on, and we were like, "Holy shit." It was fucking wild, right?

• 3:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:44Speaker 02

  And there were people in the pool that were Trump supporters, there were people in the pool that don't like Trump, there was all kinds of people there. So, so a discussion broke out, this was a massive event, it was very interesting. And I said to my friend, I go, "We're living in insanity right now. This is insanity, what we're living in. It's too much. I'm having a hard time swallowing it every day." And he said, "Yeah, but every generation says that, and is this any crazier than the 60s?" I go, "Let me tell you why it's crazier than the 60s. Because you can't even talk about Star Wars anymore without it devolving into an argument about a trans-global conspiracy of some... You know what I mean? I'm like, "We don't even have the, the escape conversations anymore."

• 3:15:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:15:29Speaker 02

  Everything has an agenda. Everything is tribalistic.

• 3:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Everything's a conspiracy.

• 3:15:34Speaker 02

  Fucking cartoons. You can't talk about anything anymore. And it's like, that's... I'm exhausted. I find myself re-watching news radio, sitcoms from the 90s, things that just remind me of...

• 3:15:49Joe Rogan?

  A simpler time.

• 3:15:50Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ, man. So, thank you for news radio.

• 3:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Thanks, buddy.

• 3:15:54Speaker 02

  Tell everybody about your special. Bring this baby home. Thank you, brother. It's called "I Never Promised You A Rose Garden." It's on my YouTube...

• 3:16:04Joe Rogan?

  I beg your pardon.

• 3:16:06Speaker 02

  "Never Promised You A Rose Garden." It's on my YouTube, which is @JodarosaComedy. Please watch it. It's off to an amazing start. Thank you to everybody. I, I wrote it, I performed it, I directed it. Where'd you perform? Uh, there's a, this theater is, is the Colonial Theater in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania, near where I have a house in Pennsylvania. It's where I'm from. And that theater's the theater the original Blob was shot at.

• 3:16:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow!

• 3:16:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 3:16:41Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome, dude.

• 3:16:42Speaker 02

  This is the hardest I've ever worked ever on anything in my life. I'm the most proud of it of anything I've ever done. And it's, thank you to the comedy community. Thank you to the mothership. Thank you to all the clubs. Everybody, everybody has been so supportive. It's been beautiful. Really appreciate you having me, dude.

• 3:17:01Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure, brother. It's always good to talk to you.

• 3:17:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, this was fun, man.

• 3:17:03Joe Rogan?

  It's good to just have a little sit down, one on one time.

• 3:17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, it's nice. It's nice.

• 3:17:08Joe Rogan?

  All right, it was beautiful. Um, it's available, um, anything else? Tour dates? Joe derosa.com?

• 3:17:15Speaker 02

  Uh, tour dates, joe derosa.com. Uh, I'll be in Rhode Island next in August.

• 3:17:19Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing in Rhode Island?

• 3:17:21Speaker 02

  Comedy Connection.

• 3:17:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I love that place. The old bank.

• 3:17:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, first and second. And then I got, um, uh, you know, other dates throughout the fall. Joe derosa.com and, and, uh, if you're in New York, go get a sandwich, Joey Roses. Appreciate you guys.

• 3:17:34Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.