Pod Insights The Joe Rogan Experience #2351 - James McCann About this episode James Donald Forbes McCann is a stand-up comic, author, and host of “The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan” podcast.www.jdfmccann.com
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0:01 Speaker 00 The Joe Rogan Experience.
0:13 Speaker 01 Hey, thank you for having me here.
0:15 Joe Rogan? My pleasure.
0:16 Speaker 01 It's a joy.
0:17 Joe Rogan? It's a joy to have you, sir. I've been having a good time hanging out with you at the club, so.
0:21 Speaker 01 It's been great.
0:22 Joe Rogan? Felt like we gotta do this.
0:23 Speaker 01 This is very... Ah, man, I'm trying not to spin out. I have watched this on a phone before. This is great.
0:30 Joe Rogan? Well, it's weird for me that it's weird for people because to me it's still the same thing. It's just sitting down, talking to people. I've gotten so used to it, even when it's like Trump, or Elon, or some fucking huge cultural figure. It's still just like, hey, what's up?
0:45 Speaker 01 You must have spun out at least one time.
0:46 Joe Rogan? I spun out a bunch of times in the early days. I still spin out every now and then, like, you know, like Mel Gibson's on the podcast. You're like, oh, that's really Mel Gibson. Mike Tyson, that's another one.
0:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was... Was this where he said he became erect, when he wanted to beat people up?
1:04 Joe Rogan? That was in California.
1:06 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:06 Joe Rogan? Yeah, that was.
1:07 Speaker 01 It's a classic. It's a classic, all-time great moment.
1:12 Joe Rogan? He was scaring the shit out of me. Phew.
1:15 Speaker 01 Man, I spin out... When I first got to the club, I was going... It was every week I would...
1:20 Joe Rogan? It's weird, right?
1:21 Speaker 01 But when I first met Adam Eager, I went, "Hello, Mr. Eager. I've seen you. You denied the Holocaust."
1:31 Joe Rogan? Not really, we should be real clear.
1:33 Speaker 01 No, he was not jerking off punks under a bridge.
1:35 Joe Rogan? It was a Norm MacDonald bit.
1:37 Speaker 01 He features in that book a lot.
1:39 Joe Rogan? Well, Adam's an amazing guy.
1:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:41 Joe Rogan? He's the reason... He's one of the reasons why I went back to the store. When I was banned from the store for seven years, Adam came to visit.
1:48 Speaker 01 You got seven years?
1:49 Joe Rogan? Yeah. Well, I banned myself for seven years. They banned me. They were gonna ban me for like a few weeks. I'm like, "Fuck you. Like, nay."
1:57 Speaker 01 What did you do?
1:57 Joe Rogan? There's the whole Carlos Mencia thing.
1:59 Speaker 01 They banned you for that?
2:00 Joe Rogan? Yes.
2:01 Speaker 01 You won the court of public opinion on that.
2:03 Joe Rogan? Well, not only did I not really get banned, the guy who banned me was eventually fired. He was the manager there. But Mitzi gave me a spot that night. It's like before they called me to tell me I was banned. Mitzi was going through a lot of health problems, right? And, you know, Mitzi was... I was very close with her. So I called her when the whole Mencia thing happened and I said, listen, this is, this guy's been a problem. It's a, it's a real issue. People are worried about doing, doing materially in front of them.
2:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:31 Joe Rogan? This is a giant problem. And, you know, I told her the whole thing with the video and she's like, all right, well, just keep away from them. What time do you want to go up tonight? And I said, when do you want me to go up? And she said, how about 10:30 or whatever it was. And I said, thank you. Okay. I love you. Bye. We said bye. And then, uh, like fucking hour, two hours later, I get a call from this manager telling me that I'm banned from the store for two weeks. And I was like, what? I go for two weeks for, for, I go, listen to me right now. I'm not coming back. I go, I'm not coming back. And you're making a decision that's gonna fuck this club up because you're choosing to take the side of plagiarism.
3:15 Speaker 01 Yes.
3:15 Joe Rogan? Over someone who's exposing it, like the, the agents won't expose it. They're making a shit ton of money. And if the comedy store is not gonna side with the artists, I'm like, listen. Uh, this is the same conversation I had with my agent. I lost my agent too for that.
3:31 Speaker 01 I feel like that, those are both important moments in a, like, I'm shocked that everybody seems to have a problem with their agent firing them. But also the number of people who've been banned from comedy clubs. I was, Brian Simpson has told me about how he got banned for ages when he was homeless. Uh, who, there was like, like five people were all doing banned from comedy club stories.
3:50 Joe Rogan? But he was, uh, he, he had some sort of an issue with someone there. And this was like when Brian wasn't Brian Simpson from Netflix, you know? It's like Brian Simpson, up and coming door guy that people go, oh, that guy's funny. But like, if you get a, run afoul with certain people.
4:08 Speaker 01 This is what I'm trying to avoid. I did this in Australia a lot.
4:10 Joe Rogan? You ran afoul?
4:11 Speaker 01 I was a problem. And, uh, I couldn't work in certain cities for some time just because I was, I think unpleasant.
4:19 Joe Rogan? What were you doing wrong?
4:21 Speaker 01 I, you know, I started comedy. I would go around telling people that they sucked and they should quit. And I went to like the head of the Melbourne Comedy Festival. I was in, I was in the comedy competition. It was like my fourth gig. And I was like, you're picking all the wrong people to win these. Oh, what? These guys are better. And it just, uh, anyway, I'm, we grow old. I was also 18 and I was.
4:39 Joe Rogan? Yeah. Oh, I get it.
4:41 Speaker 01 Very.
4:42 Joe Rogan? No, it's.
4:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, a lot of feuds, a lot of telling people that they suck.
4:44 Joe Rogan? Well, when you enter into comedy, you know, a lot of times people treat it weirdly like sports. You know, like they talk shit playing basketball, so they try to talk shit doing comedy and it's like. It's weird.
4:57 Speaker 01 I'm good. I've gotten better at it. I think I've purged it, but sometimes.
5:00 Joe Rogan? Well, it depends on the environment you're in. If you're in an environment where a lot of people are doing that, it's not fun.
5:06 Speaker 01 But this is, I find it easier here because people are, I don't want to, I don't want to say that everyone in Australia is bad at comedy. There are many great comics, but I could not for the life of, like, there were times where it's like, oh, this could be helpful for your career. To get in with someone and have them guide you. And it's like, I just hated everybody's comedy that I met and hung out with. And people who were great would often leave or not be around.
5:29 Joe Rogan? Australia's kind of a different.
5:31 Speaker 01 We've got great people out there, but.
5:32 Joe Rogan? Lo, listen, you got Jim Jeffries.
5:34 Speaker 01 Yes.
5:35 Joe Rogan? I think you're the funniest guy that's ever come out of Australia. I believe that.
5:38 Speaker 01 No, we have Barry Humphries. I'll never be better.
5:40 Joe Rogan? Okay.
5:40 Speaker 01 Do you know Barry Humphries?
5:41 Joe Rogan? No.
5:42 Speaker 01 The first big drag act.
5:44 Joe Rogan? I think we watched a clip once in the green room, but you know, the problem is the green room is so loud and. Yeah, I'll watch it. I'll watch it.
5:52 Speaker 01 Humphries was the man. He would dress up like a Dame Edna, who's in the seventies, he's a conservative man. He'd dress up like a housewife, like a very dowdy drag act. And it was like super funny, really broke through in the UK. And then the festival turned their back on him. He started the Melbourne Comedy Festival. And then he made some like trans remark and Hannah Gadsby, I think. Was like, I'm not taking this award in his name.
6:13 Joe Rogan? Okay, you're the second funniest Australian. I forgot about Hannah Gadsby.
6:17 Speaker 01 You forget about Hannah. Hannah was a great club act. I tell this to people all the time. No one, no one wants to believe it.
6:23 Joe Rogan? Well, listen, man, it's just, she did a different thing. A lot of people got mad at that, but I don't get mad at things that are not for me. It's not, it's pointless.
6:32 Speaker 01 It, I think it was, it was like a revolutionary act for Americans because you don't have comedy festivals in the same way here, but like. Everyone in Australia was doing the I got raped show or the I wanted to commit suicide show.
6:43 Joe Rogan? Oh, really?
6:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, you, you know, everyone does an hour. That's the only way you can, there's only five cities. So the comedy festivals are the only way you can really. Break through and make money. There's five clubs and once you're done touring them, you've got nothing. So every, you have to have a new hour every year. There was the, oh man, there have been some great I was molested shows. Shout out Corey White for one of the greatest I was molested shows ever. Who, Dave Quirk had the I had an affair show. That was great. Uh, Dad's got cancer. Big show.
7:10 Joe Rogan? Oh no.
7:10 Speaker 01 Big show. Mum died when I was young. Shout out Eve.
7:12 Joe Rogan? Sort of like more like um spoken word thing than you would say stand up comedy?
7:18 Speaker 01 You just, no one's even, people do all the jokes they wrote that year, which gets you to like thirty five minutes. Then you tell a ten minute, very sad story about. And then, and then I finished my chicken curry and I thought I'm ready to die. And then, then you bring it back with a gag at the end and, yeah.
7:36 Joe Rogan? And that was like standard?
7:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's still going on to this day. There's a lot of it. And I could never do it.
7:43 Joe Rogan? Yeah, you're, I don't, I couldn't imagine you doing that. You're so like funny heavy. Like your, your comedy's very funny heavy, you know?
7:52 Speaker 01 It feels important for comedy.
7:54 Joe Rogan? It's fucking most important thing. It's fun to get interesting ideas out there. It really is. It's fun to talk about interesting subjects, but it's gotta be funny.
8:05 Speaker 01 I mean, when people have a theme, Colin Quinn does this all the time and it's great. He does like the.
8:10 Joe Rogan? Oh yeah.
8:10 Speaker 01 I'm going to therapy show, red state, blue state thing, the history of America in New York is great.
8:14 Joe Rogan? He's a genius at it. He's probably the best at it about like telling interesting subject matter, using interesting subject matter, telling you things you didn't know with comedy.
8:25 Speaker 01 He, yeah.
8:26 Joe Rogan? And highlighting the ridiculousness of it all.
8:28 Speaker 01 He was at the club and that was, that was crazy.
8:31 Joe Rogan? He's great. He's such a good guy.
8:31 Speaker 01 I just, time is usually like you, time is dragging on when people are on stage and you check how long it's gone, even if it's great. And you go, I thought we were at the twenty minute mark. It's been six minutes or something. Time just disappears for him.
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11:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:34 Joe Rogan? Oh, my God. He was so on when he was here. He was doing new stuff.
11:39 Speaker 01 I saw him running the new with the pages.
11:41 Joe Rogan? Yeah, with the pages. But the polish, like while he's doing the new stuff, he's so good off the cuff. That even if the new stuff was going sideways.
11:51 Speaker 01 People love it.
11:52 Joe Rogan? He figured out a way to turn it around.
11:54 Speaker 01 I wish I could do that.
11:54 Joe Rogan? And would address it and like, oh, he was so good.
11:57 Speaker 01 He just sits and writes, apparently.
11:59 Joe Rogan? He's an animal. And he teaches it, too. He teaches that he has a program that they actually ran at the mothership for up and coming comics.
12:05 Speaker 01 Can you teach it? I'm always wary of that.
12:07 Joe Rogan? I don't think you could teach comedy necessarily, but I think you could teach. You could learn how he does it. And you can learn how certain people do it. And I think some of that you can apply.
12:19 Speaker 01 You've got Mitch Hedberg School of Comedy. You've got to take a lot of heroin.
12:22 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
12:22 Speaker 01 And put your hair right over your face.
12:24 Joe Rogan? I think you can, what you can do, though, is teach work ethic.
12:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:28 Joe Rogan? And I think that's half the battle. Half the battle is just sitting down and actually writing. And everyone comes up with an excuse. It's like a cold plunge. Everybody comes up with an excuse why they don't want a cold plunge. And everybody comes up with an excuse why they don't write in front of a computer or on a piece of paper. They always write only on stage.
12:48 Speaker 01 Well, I mean, doing the same thing over and over again was I, for, I don't know, seven, eight years at the start, I struggled to do it. I had no, I had like five bad hours of comedy. And it wasn't until I probably impregnated my wife. It was like, I should, I should make sure there's a good five. Really boil this down to a good five minutes or I'm in real trouble.
13:10 Joe Rogan? Well, sometimes it's something like that has to happen in your life where you really take it seriously. Cause we all know comics that like we started with, we're like, oh my God, this guy's gonna be huge.
13:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:19 Joe Rogan? And for whatever reason, they didn't put in the work, they fucked off, they self sabotaged.
13:25 Speaker 01 Every town you go to this, the guy who.
13:28 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
13:28 Speaker 01 Is gonna be big.
13:29 Joe Rogan? I think if we can encourage more people, we can make less of that. And I think we can give more people a chance, cause I, I think we all could have been that person who quit.
13:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:40 Joe Rogan? And I know in the beginning, I thought about quit a bunch of times. One of the things that helped me not quit is I tore my ACL.
13:47 Speaker 01 Okay.
13:48 Joe Rogan? So, uh, I couldn't train or compete anymore.
13:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:51 Joe Rogan? Cause I was still like, kind of on the fence of whether I'd go back to fighting. Or, cause I was terrible at comedy. I was, I was like good every now and again.
14:00 Speaker 01 ACL took that away from you.
14:01 Joe Rogan? Uh huh.
14:01 Speaker 01 One option now.
14:02 Joe Rogan? I was like, okay, I can't fight anymore. I need to get surgery. Um, I gotta take this seriously. And I gotta really pick one thing and I completely stopped competing. So that was like a year into comedy. So that was an important thing. Like I needed a thing where I was like, okay, I've got no options now. Like I can't just enter into a kickboxing tournament and say, fuck comedy. This is too hard.
14:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:26 Joe Rogan? And it's just, there was, it was a weird thing. It was like, I had to make a complete mind shift. From someone who didn't care at all about other people's opinions, someone who was like, I will show you. I will show you. Like, I don't give a fuck what you think. I will show you.
14:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:41 Joe Rogan? To, I have to get you to like me.
14:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:44 Joe Rogan? I have to be fun, not just funny with my friends, but I have to figure out how to make these people my friends. Where I was always very standoffish with new people. It was a weird thing to try to adjust to comedy.
14:54 Speaker 01 Well, also if you can't make it work, you have to stop at some point.
14:57 Joe Rogan? Yeah. Oh, you have to. If you can't make it work yet. But I did make it work sometimes. I just had to figure out what, what was consistent when I was making it work versus not.
15:06 Speaker 01 That's a real.
15:07 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
15:08 Speaker 01 I don't know how, I mean, so few people get passed at a club.
15:12 Joe Rogan? I know, it's hard.
15:13 Speaker 01 Cause you, you have to come back and do it a couple of times and be seen to be. But I see people have a great, like a one off, great one. And then you go, where did that go?
15:20 Joe Rogan? Oh dude, there's a girl that I saw once in nineteen ninety. No, nineteen ninety five or six, that's what it was. Nineteen ninety five or six, she did a set in the Belly Room. And it was one of the funniest sets I've ever seen in my life. It was like I was watching a female Sam Kinison. I was like, this girl is on fire, like this is insane. And then, never happened. I don't know what happened. You know, I don't know. People just never really get it together. They, they whatever the fuck, they pulled off that time, they can't do again. Lightning in a bottle. But it was in there, like it's in there.
16:01 Joe Rogan? That comedy was in there, it was like if this person with the right encouragement could have been fucking huge, man.
16:07 Speaker 01 Yeah. I remember I saw my friend Amos on that day. His girlfriend broke up with him and he went and did. He was meant to, he was booked for ten, he did like twenty five. Uh, he was just heartbroken, he was just complaining about being devastated. And it was all the things that were wrong with his comedy beforehand were like, gone. He was used to be like unpleasant in people's face and then he was like free and likable and good. It's like, you can't engineer to be broken up with every show. You can't.
16:34 Joe Rogan? You can't engineer that, right?
16:36 Speaker 01 You shouldn't.
16:37 Joe Rogan? Well, that was Kinison in the early days, right? Curly, Kinison in the early days was all about like how, you know, like meeting the devil and the devil's like, oh, you've been married?
16:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:45 Joe Rogan? This is all fucking nudie, you know, this is all old hat to you. Oh, this is where we're torching the souls, woo hoo hoo.
16:51 Speaker 01 I never had it.
16:52 Joe Rogan? Oh, you were married twice, like remember that bit?
16:54 Speaker 01 I, I, I'd never, Kinison, the first time I realized that he was a big thing was when that poster went up backstage at the mothership.
17:00 Joe Rogan? Oh, really?
17:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, we didn't, we didn't get him.
17:02 Joe Rogan? Wow.
17:03 Speaker 01 We didn't get him, we didn't get, uh, I mean, maybe some people got them. We got Ron White because he was on Comedy Central, so I had seen his special like a bunch of times.
17:11 Joe Rogan? That's crazy.
17:12 Speaker 01 But in terms of American comics, I didn't get Kinison, I didn't get, uh, who else? We got Chappelle, because we got Chappelle Shaw.
17:18 Joe Rogan? You must have got Hicks.
17:20 Speaker 01 People around me had Hicks, but I was late to Hicks because the men who loved Hicks were, uh, nuts.
17:27 Joe Rogan? Right.
17:28 Speaker 01 Do you know what I mean? Like you go, there's something good here, but it's gonna, I'm gonna have to come back to it.
17:31 Joe Rogan? Well, he was so good and so unique in the kind of comedy that he did and so smart, that it made a bunch of guys try to be like him.
17:40 Speaker 01 Yes.
17:41 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
17:42 Speaker 01 There's many such cases. Guys who are great, but they destroy.
17:46 Joe Rogan? Dude.
17:47 Speaker 01 There's a lot of little Casey Rockets running around, they think they don't have to write anything and they're.
17:51 Joe Rogan? One of the all time great, I mean, if you. One of the all time greats is Richard Jenny. I mean, he's an all time great. And when I saw him in like the 1980s, he did a club, I guess it was probably 90, 91, maybe? East Side Comedy Club. He did four different hours. And the emcee wanted to quit comedy after he emceed for him the weekend. He said he did four different hours. A different hour on Friday night, first show, different hour, second show, different hour, first show, Saturday night. Different hour. And all of them murdered. And he said, it was insane. And he goes, I wanted to quit comedy.
18:30 Joe Rogan? He saw Hicks and he said to me, like, we were hanging out together. He's like, God, I gotta, I wish I, it makes me wanna do more of that. You know, I feel like sometimes I'm not doing enough of that. Like, wow, that's crazy.
18:42 Speaker 01 Do you know Ken Dodd? Do you know that? He was a Liverpudlian comedian, I think. But he would come out and he would do his new hour. And people would like clap and say, thank you. And then he would, he would say, right, I'm gonna do the hour I did last time I was in town. You can leave if you want, but I'll do. And the second hour is the hour he did the year before. And then he'd do the hour that he did the year before that. And he'd just do hour after hour until the whole, until, like, if people had enough, they could get up and walk away.
19:05 Joe Rogan? Wow.
19:05 Speaker 01 But he'd be there for like seven hours.
19:07 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ. You know who used to do that?
19:09 Speaker 01 Sure, the bar staff hated it.
19:09 Joe Rogan? Chappelle used to do that. He used to pull up to Laugh Factory and do like a nine hour set.
19:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. He's still doing it, I think.
19:17 Joe Rogan? I think him and Dane Cook had like a battle to see like who, who could do the longest set.
19:22 Speaker 01 I mean, I saw, I got to go to-
19:24 Joe Rogan? I don't think Dave was like trying to battle, but I think Dave like took the title.
19:28 Speaker 01 Shane took me to his, the, the Y S Firehouse, the club that Dave has set up in, uh-
19:33 Joe Rogan? Yellow Springs?
19:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was on his birthday and he did three hours. And he bombed at his own birthday. And he kept saying, I can't believe I'm bombing at my own club on my birthday. But then in the middle, there was a guy with a coat and he just did maybe 45 minutes about this guy's coat of crowd work on his, just a- It was magical. The whole thing flew. He could release an hour on this guy's coat. I think he's recording everything there. He's building a vault, I think. I think he's got a prince vault.
20:01 Joe Rogan? A Prince vault?
20:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, like how Prince, I think every second album Prince would just put it away. And I think he's got, he must have hours in the vault.
20:09 Joe Rogan? Yeah, he's got a whole system for how he creates comedy. It's very unique. He goes on stage and he has some subjects and he just fucks around and he gets a little drunk.
20:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:19 Joe Rogan? Gets a little high and he's so funny that some of those things will wind up being bits.
20:24 Speaker 01 Yes.
20:25 Joe Rogan? And then he takes those bits and then he like, he has all of them recorded. So he's just constantly stuck and he goes on stage like almost every night.
20:33 Speaker 01 I, there's nothing in my vault. Everything I've gotten, I've got like, every time I go out there, I go, I've got nothing.
20:41 Joe Rogan? Isn't that a great example? Like, not everybody has the option to just go on stage and rant for three hours.
20:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:46 Joe Rogan? But isn't it educational to any young comics? It says, okay, who do people consider to be the greatest comic alive? Most people would say Dave Chappelle and Dave Chappelle is working harder than anybody.
20:58 Speaker 01 Yes.
20:59 Joe Rogan? It's not a coincidence. Like, he's effortlessly funny, yes, for sure. Brilliant, yes, for sure, but also works every night. Like, there's something to that and works every night and does long sets.
21:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:11 Joe Rogan? Like, every night, like, he's always.
21:13 Speaker 01 He's always there, he's always pounding.
21:14 Joe Rogan? He's always getting better, he's always covering new subjects.
21:17 Speaker 01 Before I came to America, I would do like, I would do an hour a month and be very happy with that. And I thought this was enough to get me where I needed to go. And, uh, no, going every night is, it's also hard to go every night. Like, you don't, you have a good time once you're out, but then you.
21:33 Joe Rogan? You gotta avoid. You gotta avoid that feeling, right? So it's a, it's a mental collapse. It's, you know, familiarity breeds contempt. It's not just in relationships, it's in anything you do.
21:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:46 Joe Rogan? And that's where you have to reset your mind, right? So like, when you start to feel that coming on, like, I can't believe I have to do another set. Fuck, I don't want to do a second show. You have to remember what it was like when you had nothing. And you have to remember what it was like when you would go to open mic night and just, you wouldn't on the, weren't on the list, you didn't make the list. But you just wanted to go on stage so bad. You wanted to go on stage so bad and you wanted to, like, I gotta figure this thing out.
22:14 Speaker 01 You gotta have your Johnny Cash moment, sitting backstage at the Folsom Prison.
22:17 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
22:17 Speaker 01 Looking at the water, thinking about your brother.
22:19 Joe Rogan? Here you are about to go do a second sold out show.
22:22 Speaker 01 No, it's silly.
22:23 Joe Rogan? You should be so pumped. It's just a familiarity thing. It's just a mind fuck. But you can get over mind fucks, man. You can get over them if you understand what they are and just recalibrate the way you engage with it.
22:36 Speaker 01 And figuring out a way to recalibrate that doesn't kill you in the long run is a good. Like, I know some bit.
22:41 Joe Rogan? Well, you mean cocaine?
22:43 Speaker 01 Cocaine, people get like fucked up or just play a video game all week and then they can get back and do it.
22:48 Joe Rogan? You don't have to, though. You don't have to do those things.
22:50 Speaker 01 I think you gotta do something. You gotta go for a nice walk.
22:53 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
22:53 Speaker 01 I started swimming.
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24:08 Speaker 01 I love to swim.
24:09 Joe Rogan? Oh, you were telling me that.
24:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm all about, I've got nothing. I go on stage and I try and talk about how much I love the pool. I got nothing.
24:15 Joe Rogan? You might figure something out.
24:16 Speaker 01 Three sets where I stand there and go, isn't swimming beautiful?
24:18 Joe Rogan? You'll figure it out.
24:19 Speaker 01 Then I say nothing and I wait for something to happen after that. I go and talk about the next thing.
24:25 Joe Rogan? Well, it's, you know, one of those exercises that because you're moving against the resistance of the water, it doesn't damage your joints.
24:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:33 Joe Rogan? And it's like, it feels like therapeutic, even though it feels like exercise.
24:38 Speaker 01 You can get yourself tired if you want, you can slow it down.
24:40 Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah.
24:41 Speaker 01 You can.
24:41 Joe Rogan? Yeah, and it's fun. I swim with my dog.
24:45 Speaker 01 In a lake?
24:46 Joe Rogan? No, in a pool. Me and the dog swim in the pool. He's the, he's the funniest, he's such a great dog.
24:52 Speaker 01 I did find your dog Instagram account. Are you running the dog Instagram account?
24:56 Joe Rogan? No, my wife runs it.
24:56 Speaker 01 Okay.
24:57 Joe Rogan? But he's, um, he's so great that like, he won't swim unless you're swimming. Like, he knows he's not supposed to just randomly jump in the pool, cause then he comes in the house and fucks everything up. So he only is allowed to swim when we tell him to swim. And so he sits there like, are we fucking swimming today?
25:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:14 Joe Rogan? And then he finds out we're swimming, we're like, oh shit, we're swimming. And he just jumps off the fucking side of the pool.
25:20 Speaker 01 Do you have a chlorinated pool, a salt pool?
25:22 Joe Rogan? Salt pool.
25:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:22 Joe Rogan? I think it's salt pool, if it's not supposed to be.
25:25 Speaker 01 It's not, I can float in that. I cannot float in the chlorine pool and that brings me great.
25:29 Joe Rogan? Why not?
25:30 Speaker 01 My legs sink down.
25:32 Joe Rogan? Oh.
25:32 Speaker 01 I have no bum.
25:33 Joe Rogan? Have you ever done a float tank?
25:35 Speaker 01 Never.
25:35 Joe Rogan? Oh my god.
25:36 Speaker 01 I'm afraid of what would be in my brain.
25:38 Joe Rogan? You need to find out.
25:39 Speaker 01 No.
25:40 Joe Rogan? Go dig around.
25:40 Speaker 01 Close that door.
25:41 Joe Rogan? Let's go dig around, dog.
25:42 Speaker 01 Keep that closed forever. Repression is so beautiful.
25:44 Joe Rogan? Dig around, dog.
25:47 Speaker 01 Been there for five minutes, I'll be banging, can't be.
25:51 Joe Rogan? Just push it down and get back to work at the factory.
25:54 Speaker 01 It really does. I'm a big believer in push it down and keep moving.
25:57 Joe Rogan? Hey, there's something to be said for that.
25:58 Speaker 01 Explode at some point.
26:00 Joe Rogan? Well, the opposite is not good, right? If you're constantly dwelling on your problems all the time, that's, that's worse.
26:06 Speaker 01 I was, someone was, I got, I got circumcised at like thirty-two, cause I had a problem.
26:12 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ, son.
26:13 Speaker 01 But it was a beautiful experience. I enjoyed it. I had a nice time.
26:16 Joe Rogan? Did you get a rabbi to suck your dick?
26:18 Speaker 01 I thought about it. I thought I could leave that in as an option, but also, it's fine.
26:23 Joe Rogan? And by the way, for people, I'm not making a joke.
26:26 Speaker 01 They do suck the, sometimes they have a tube. Sometimes they have a special tube.
26:29 Joe Rogan? Yeah, and sometimes they don't.
26:31 Speaker 01 No, sometimes they just get the whole dick around.
26:32 Joe Rogan? Given kids herpes and babies have died from it, yeah.
26:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's grim. But circumcision in general, I'm in favor.
26:39 Joe Rogan? Why?
26:40 Speaker 01 Cause I had, I know what it was like before, I know what it was like after, it's not a big deal.
26:43 Joe Rogan? This is a.
26:44 Speaker 01 But there are people, what I'm saying, people make it their whole life.
26:46 Joe Rogan? One of one.
26:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, I've experienced both as an adult. People go.
26:49 Joe Rogan? I think most people would not want their dick to be cut. For no real reason other than aesthetics. And people are like, oh, it prevents AIDS. Shut the fuck up.
26:58 Speaker 01 I got to go to the AIDS Memorial Garden in San Francisco.
27:01 Joe Rogan? Yeah, did you show them your new dick?
27:03 Speaker 01 Uh, well, people definitely would. It's a lot of nooks and crannies in the AIDS Memorial. Like, they've built the perfect place to have sex with a man in the AIDS park.
27:10 Joe Rogan? It's perfect.
27:11 Speaker 01 Someone's definitely gotten AIDS at the AIDS Memorial Garden.
27:13 Joe Rogan? You think so?
27:14 Speaker 01 And they're fucking away and they're going, ah, I knew there was something I was supposed to remember. Now I have AIDS. It was very good. It was a beautiful park. San Francisco was lovely.
27:23 Joe Rogan? Have you ever, uh, listened to people like, um, what is that guy's name? The guy that we had on the podcast a long time ago, Peter Duesberg?
27:32 Speaker 01 No.
27:33 Joe Rogan? You want to go down the ultimate rabbit hole?
27:35 Speaker 01 Oh, what was he doing? Was he in a park?
27:37 Joe Rogan? No. Peter Duesberg doesn't believe that HIV causes AIDS.
27:41 Speaker 01 I've heard about this. It's the treatment.
27:43 Joe Rogan? Peter Duesberg is, uh, he's a professor of professor biology, University of California, Berkeley. Tenured. And he's done like groundbreaking work on cancer. It's like considered to be a brilliant guy. Considered to be a brilliant guy. So in the eighties, when all this was going on with AIDS, his assertion was that there was a thing that people were not factoring in, is that almost all of the people who developed AIDS
28:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:11 Joe Rogan? were hardcore partiers, hardcore drug users in the gay community. And no one wanted to address that. And he was saying, no, this is destroying their immune system.
28:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:22 Joe Rogan? And then HIV shows up. He goes, HIV is a weak virus. He goes, in most people, and in, when I read what he said, and I don't know if this is true, maybe we could find out, that babies, if they're born, they test positive for HIV without any treatment at all, are HIV negative within a certain amount of time.
28:40 Speaker 01 Okay.
28:41 Joe Rogan? And so it all sounds nuts, right? Because you go, there's no way.
28:45 Speaker 01 You've got martial evidence for that, because like African countries, you would go, healthcare would be bad, malnutrition would be.
28:51 Joe Rogan? Well, this is the thing, are they really testing for HIV when they say these people have AIDS? And is there other possible factors that could cause this immune thing? And if you're dealing with like, it's all coming out of this gay community where there are a lot of partying. There's a lot of drug use and a lot of wild fucking. And these guys are burning it at both ends. And when you do that, sometimes you fucking die. Sometimes your immune system gets crashed. Now, clearly, I'm not fucking smart enough to know if he's right or if everyone else in the world is right. Because it's literally that, right? It's like him.
29:24 Speaker 01 I always want that guy to be right, though.
29:25 Joe Rogan? Well, there's a bunch of people that agree with him and silently agree with him. There's a bunch of people, it's actually covered in RFK Junior's book on Fauci, because it has to do with Fauci.
29:36 Speaker 01 Fauci was in charge then, right? Like, he was.
29:39 Joe Rogan? Yes, he was the one that was giving people AZT, right? So AZT was a cancer medication that was killing people quicker than cancer was. It was a chemotherapy. And not only is it a chemotherapy, this is the only time during the AIDS crisis where a chemotherapy was prescribed permanently. Because chemotherapy, the agreement is, like, I'm gonna take this poison that's gonna destroy my body, but it's gonna kill the cancer. And then when the cancer's dead, I'm gonna get healthy again, right?
30:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, no one gets hooked on chemotherapy.
30:10 Joe Rogan? You don't stay on it.
30:11 Speaker 01 No one's getting an extra prescription for chemo.
30:13 Joe Rogan? And it's a super strong one. And, you know, there was a lot of people that took AZT when they were asymptomatic. Like, they didn't even have any of the symptoms, they just tested positive for HIV. And this is back when Kerry Mullis, the guy who invented the PCR test, he's like famously on record saying, like, this is no way to test for diseases, and Fauci doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. And it's the same guy that was in charge during the whole COVID thing. And you're like, that is the craziest conspiracy, that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. But what he's saying is HIV is present in people with already compromised immune systems. And that this unique factor, that they're all hardcore drug users, was never taken into consideration.
30:57 Speaker 01 Well, they, I mean, certainly with COVID, they didn't take it into account that it was fat people and weak people.
31:01 Joe Rogan? The thing is, you gotta look at it from a profitability standpoint. I know this is super cynical and sounds disgusting. But if you have a actual disease that you can prescribe medication for, that's valuable.
31:14 Speaker 01 Yes.
31:15 Joe Rogan? If you have a bunch of people that are doing something that's super healthy, that's killing them, and you don't have a solution, that's not valuable.
31:22 Speaker 01 Well, they figured it out with fat people. They've got the Ozempic. I mean, people are just on the Ozempic forever.
31:27 Joe Rogan? Bro, do you know Ozempic is like the number one most profitable medication in the country?
31:31 Speaker 01 I believe it, but.
31:32 Joe Rogan? What, is that true? Did I make that up? I think that's true.
31:35 Speaker 01 They're all doing it.
31:35 Joe Rogan? Sometimes I see things on TikTok and I'm like, this is China.
31:38 Speaker 01 Also, some of them were great.
31:39 Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah.
31:40 Speaker 01 I mean, I know people on Ozempic who are, they're sprouting, they're bouncing around.
31:43 Joe Rogan? Not doing it?
31:44 Speaker 01 No.
31:45 Joe Rogan? Thinking about it?
31:45 Speaker 01 Never.
31:46 Joe Rogan? Nope.
31:47 Speaker 01 No.
31:47 Joe Rogan? No way.
31:47 Speaker 01 I'm a comfortable level of fat. In America, no one has ever called me fat.
31:52 Joe Rogan? No, you fit right.
31:53 Speaker 01 In Australia, at this body, all the time.
31:55 Joe Rogan? Really?
31:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:55 Joe Rogan? They're all fucking healthy over there. You guys got to hike everywhere.
31:58 Speaker 01 I think the food is better.
32:00 Joe Rogan? For sure.
32:00 Speaker 01 The food, I think I've.
32:01 Joe Rogan? For sure.
32:02 Speaker 01 I became lactose intolerant when I came to America, uh, because I had raw milk and then I vomited green bile for a couple of days.
32:10 Joe Rogan? You ate raw milk here?
32:11 Speaker 01 I had like a gallon of raw milk in a day.
32:14 Joe Rogan? So raw milk, not pasteurized, not homaged?
32:17 Speaker 01 I got it from the farmer's market. The guy looked really strong and healthy. I was like, I want that cool, right wing milk.
32:21 Joe Rogan? And that gave you lactose intolerance?
32:23 Speaker 01 I don't know. I liked the milk so much, I like to believe it wasn't that, that it was, but it was the next day.
32:26 Joe Rogan? Maybe you just drank too much of it.
32:29 Speaker 01 I think I got some sort of weird bacteria, but I was, yeah, oh, green bile, both ends.
32:34 Joe Rogan? Really?
32:34 Speaker 01 Yes. Lost a lot of weight.
32:36 Joe Rogan? Right now, you're destroying the raw milk industry, single handedly.
32:39 Speaker 01 I would, it also, it was the most beautiful milk I've ever had.
32:43 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
32:43 Speaker 01 I don't want to be negative about raw milk. If you can have it and it doesn't do that to you, whoo.
32:47 Joe Rogan? I think.
32:48 Speaker 01 Have you had the raw milk?
32:49 Joe Rogan? I have.
32:50 Speaker 01 It's like drinking a secret.
32:51 Joe Rogan? I think raw milk should be like raw meat. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. I know how to cook a steak, right?
32:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:56 Joe Rogan? You don't, you don't tell me how to cook a steak. You let me buy raw milk. Let me buy it.
33:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:01 Joe Rogan? If you let me buy raw meat, let me buy raw milk. Shut the fuck up. Now, are you saying that it's killing people? Okay, where's your evidence? And is pasteurization and homogenization, which does make it more shelf-stable? And make it so that you could, you know, you can keep it in the refrigerator for a long time and it's still fine? And it has a expired by date?
33:21 Speaker 01 Yes.
33:22 Joe Rogan? Raw milk goes bad quick. So should you drink the bad raw milk? No, definitely not. But is there anything probably-
33:27 Speaker 01 There's probably a limit on how much you should have.
33:29 Joe Rogan? Super beneficial about drinking the raw milk? Well, there seems to be a lot of evidence. As long as it doesn't have bacteria in it. Okay, well, how do you prevent that? Well, I feel like we can do that. See, this, I don't think the solution is-
33:41 Speaker 01 It doesn't feel especially well-regulated at the moment.
33:43 Joe Rogan? That's the problem.
33:43 Speaker 01 I bought it from a guy's muddy van.
33:45 Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah.
33:46 Speaker 01 And then as I was vomiting and shitting, I was like, this doesn't feel natural.
33:48 Joe Rogan? You gotta get it from a reputable farmer.
33:50 Speaker 01 I don't know where that guy is.
33:50 Joe Rogan? But if you do get it from a reputable farmer, they exist. There's like a whole website-
33:54 Speaker 01 Can hit up Craigslist?
33:55 Joe Rogan? Where you can find raw milk, because people are raw milk nuts.
33:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:58 Joe Rogan? Which is also what turns me off to raw milk, the raw milk juices.
34:02 Speaker 01 I, with, for about six hours, I thought I had the greatest insight anybody had ever had. This is the special milk we should all be having.
34:09 Joe Rogan? Until it started blowing out your body. Maybe you just drank too much.
34:12 Speaker 01 I did, everyone else in the family was fine. My wife, my kids, they had a little bit, they had a little bit.
34:17 Joe Rogan? Yeah, you probably drank too much. I mean, if you drank too much of anything, you'll get diarrhea. And think about like how much you're, you're dealing with how much like milk fat and how much liquid. You can get diarrhea just from that.
34:29 Speaker 01 Overdosed on the milk.
34:31 Joe Rogan? Yeah, that's, I wouldn't blame the milk.
34:32 Speaker 01 I'd never had a milk problem before then, on the pasteurized milk.
34:34 Joe Rogan? So now you have a milk problem?
34:36 Speaker 01 Now I-
34:36 Joe Rogan? How so?
34:36 Speaker 01 I shit, uh-
34:38 Joe Rogan? Every time?
34:39 Speaker 01 Oh, a big, heavy, weird-
34:40 Joe Rogan? So it gave you lactose intolerance?
34:42 Speaker 01 It hap- I liked the milk so much, I don't want to blame the milk. But I will say it happened at the same time.
34:47 Joe Rogan? Okay, so is-
34:49 Speaker 01 It's correlative.
34:50 Joe Rogan? But from then on, are you getting lactose intolerant every time you drink raw milk or regular milk?
34:56 Speaker 01 Regular milk. Maybe, maybe my body got used to the beautiful raw milk and it would only happen again. I think I would have a hard time selling that to the wife. We're getting the raw milk back in the house.
35:04 Joe Rogan? Yeah, that might be it, dude. I know that sounds crazy, but that might be it. Like, your body might- Prefer real milk and now that it knows what real milk's.
35:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:13 Joe Rogan? It's like fuck you with this boiled dead shit.
35:17 Speaker 01 But I think this happened, I mean, something's happening with the bread in America. It's like my hands feel swollen.
35:23 Joe Rogan? I don't personally have any problem with homogenized and pasteurized milk. Like when I drink it, it doesn't make me feel bad. I don't feel great, but I'll will do it if I have like cookies and milk, but.
35:33 Speaker 01 Oh, cookies and milk.
35:34 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but I don't think that you should be able to tell people that they can't sell raw milk. I think you should tell people if you're gonna sell raw milk, it has to meet some certain standards.
35:44 Speaker 01 Sure.
35:45 Joe Rogan? You have to have certain standards of how you cool it, what you're doing, making sure everything's clean, everything has to be inspected. But they do that with other stuff. That's what USDA inspection on meat is.
35:55 Speaker 01 Put together by big business to crush small people.
35:57 Joe Rogan? But they do it that way anyway with meat. This is my point.
36:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:02 Joe Rogan? There's USDA inspections. They have to make sure that the processing place is clean. Everything is supposed to be.
36:07 Speaker 01 But then even then they still do the like, you know, for like a burger used to be one cow and they'd grind that bit up. And now it's like a thousand cows coming together.
36:14 Joe Rogan? Right. I don't think there's laws against that. Right.
36:16 Speaker 01 I think.
36:17 Joe Rogan? I don't, I think that if you, the, the cow thing is a weird thing, like when, and you're getting burgers that have like a thousand cows. Yeah. DNA in it. It is a weird thing, but I mean, it is just meat, right?
36:29 Speaker 01 But I think those standards are put there by the big corporate, like I was thinking about, uh, like housing zones and districting. Like in Australia, the median house price is a million dollars. It's, you just, you can't buy, no one in my generation is buying a home. It's a weird. There's so much land. There's a lot of stuff. You should just be able to like whip up a slum with the, with your bros. You go to a valley where no one is, you all live in a, that would be better to some extent, rather than like renting and a horrible thing forever. You go, you used to be able to just like build a horrible thing, you know, there was no building regulations. Sometimes the ceiling would collapse and people would die, but.
37:05 Joe Rogan? So you think that's better to have no regulations?
37:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:09 Joe Rogan? Really?
37:10 Speaker 01 Yes.
37:11 Joe Rogan? But that's how like stadiums collapse on people in third world countries.
37:14 Speaker 01 No doubt, bad things will also happen.
37:16 Joe Rogan? No, that's a dumb idea.
37:17 Speaker 01 I, I'm not saying no regulation, alright, I'm gonna walk back, no regulation.
37:20 Joe Rogan? Okay.
37:20 Speaker 01 But it would be nice if the regulation was somehow written just with the safety in mind and not so that, I mean, there are insane, like, there are buildings up now that are perfectly safe that wouldn't pass code if they were built today. You couldn't build them again now.
37:33 Joe Rogan? Why wouldn't they pass code?
37:34 Speaker 01 Cause they do things like, you know, the door has to be this far away from the stairs, the ceiling has to be this height, that it needs eight fire beeping detectors.
37:45 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
37:45 Speaker 01 In the same way that, you know, like, you can't cut hair without getting a degree. You need like a certificate to be a hairdresser. And they go, this is to make hair cutting safer, but like, people were cutting hair without.
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39:29 Joe Rogan? Okay, cutting hair's not as big an issue, I think we should go back to the houses.
39:33 Speaker 01 Alright, go ahead.
39:34 Joe Rogan? If you wanna save lives, you you want houses that you can escape in a in the case of a fire. And if you don't hold.
39:42 Speaker 01 Absolutely.
39:43 Joe Rogan? If you don't hold the builder accountable, the person who's making that house, even if they're making it for themselves, they will then sell that house to someone else most likely. And that person will not be in a house that's necessarily the safest it could be. It just makes sense.
39:59 Speaker 01 It would result in big problems.
40:00 Joe Rogan? It makes sense to. But it makes sense. No, no, no, no, no. It makes you you have to be. Listen, uh, when I was a kid, I grew up in construction sites. My father was an architect. My stepdad was an architect.
40:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:10 Joe Rogan? When I was real young, I got to see like real shitty construction, how dangerous it is when people like fuck around, don't follow code.
40:20 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:20 Joe Rogan? What? How many like shady guys do a bad job? How many people try to like use lesser materials than they're supposed to be used? It's constant. And if you don't have regulation, you you people you put people's lives at stake.
40:33 Speaker 01 I don't think a house has the same problem with regulation here, because you guys seem to be able to build houses. Like houses.
40:39 Joe Rogan? Well, we have a lot of regulations, though. Like that's it's a giant. It's a giant point of contention with people.
40:45 Speaker 01 There's a way to do it in a way that is just to help industry make house prices stay high.
40:50 Joe Rogan? Well, that's true, too. Both things can be true. I think there there's definitely people that take advantage of regulation. And there's definitely people that most likely stifle other businesses' growth through promotion of regulation. That's probably true, too. But also, like for some stuff, like for safety stuff in homes, you fucking need regulation. Because if you sell it to my mom and she doesn't know how anything works, and then the house catches on fire.
41:15 Speaker 01 This would also be bad.
41:17 Joe Rogan? Yeah, it's just do it the right way. They know how to do it the right way. People have established a system. Now, there's a bunch of shit that's arbitrary, that gets aesthetic, and I'm not in favor of that.
41:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:27 Joe Rogan? When people get to decide what, you know, the front of your house should look like, or what color you paint it.
41:33 Speaker 01 I mean, you can make something safer forever, though, and there's no limit. There's no like, there's no zero that you can reach of safety.
41:39 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but.
41:40 Speaker 01 And there comes a point where the effort goes up to the extent where it's not.
41:43 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but you hit a reasonable level and then you stop, and that's what the regulations are.
41:46 Speaker 01 We never stop. I mean, I think with driver's licenses, you should have some. Uh, test for competency to drive a car.
41:53 Joe Rogan? A hundred percent.
41:54 Speaker 01 It should be something.
41:54 Joe Rogan? Yes.
41:55 Speaker 01 But when, I mean, when in Australia, when I was trying to, I didn't get my license. I was like twenty seven because it took forever. Like, you've got to get a hundred hours registered. You've got to do a weird test. I got a driver's license in Ohio where I don't think road fatalities are that much higher than the rest of the world. And that, you know, you get in the car, you drive around the block, the guy goes, you know how to operate this vehicle. We're going to say it's not going to cost, you know, a thousand dollars and.
42:16 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
42:17 Speaker 01 It's more straightforward. There's like, there's a balance to be gotten, to be gotten right.
42:22 Joe Rogan? A hundred percent. I think you're a hundred percent right.
42:24 Speaker 01 I relish in America that you're closer to the freedom side of things.
42:28 Joe Rogan? One hundred percent. That definitely must more than Australia is, and you got to see that during the pandemic too. But the, the thing is like, there's a difference between overregulation and Wild West, right? There's like a fine line. There's like a, there's a comfortable middle. And I think that middle has to be fought for because I think it really is important to have people that are actually experts. That their job is to make sure that someone builds a house correctly, go and look and make sure you do. But then again, you open the door, the possibility that that inspector guy is a douchebag. And then he's got a chip on his shoulder and he's got a big fucking ego and people bribe him. And you know, there's, there's always a possibility of that kind of stuff happening too.
43:10 Joe Rogan? Where people love to have control over people. They love to tell you can't build. They love to tell you, you got to repaint your house because it's the, the color doesn't match our community.
43:20 Speaker 01 How do you check that? How do you like, what is the, other than like everyone having a gun and getting ready to a simmering level of violence and revolution?
43:27 Joe Rogan? You got to fight back before they ever get to that point. It's real hard to regain ground when someone takes ground with like ridiculous legislation. Like, look, they've been trying to legalize weed in this country for fucking fifty years and it's, they barely put a dent in it.
43:40 Speaker 01 I don't know how legal it is here.
43:43 Joe Rogan? They've only done it on a state level, but the point is, it's like, once you lose rights. You know, like if they tried to, if marijuana was legal, just like alcohol, and all of a sudden they tried to make it illegal. People would riot in the streets, like, what are you doing? You can't do that because it wouldn't make sense. People would be furious, but once it's done, even if it's the same exact situation, the same exact data, the same exact safety profile, the same exact number of people using it in the country.
44:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:12 Joe Rogan? It's just, it's been, it's been fucked because it got put into this weird position.
44:16 Speaker 01 But you guys, you got prohibition somehow. You got alcohol taken off the streets for.
44:22 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but it was.
44:23 Speaker 01 It was bad.
44:24 Joe Rogan? Bad, and it lasted a long time and it led directly into marijuana prohibition.
44:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:29 Joe Rogan? Same exact people.
44:30 Speaker 01 But you just need to find something to have prohibition against.
44:32 Joe Rogan? How about cartel prohibition? How about that? You know, how about fentanyl? So stop thinking about things, but then you, you find out like, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's a lot tied to this. It's like the alcohol lobby doesn't want marijuana to be legalized. So they fight against it and they get politicians that are on their side. Hey Ralph, you're gonna vote for this issue on our side, right?
44:53 Speaker 01 There's no way Ralph came over.
44:54 Joe Rogan? Ralph.
44:55 Speaker 01 Ralph Nader?
44:55 Joe Rogan? No, no, not that guy. He doesn't do that. But you know, that's, that's part of the problem too, man. It's like, there's a lot of money involved in keeping it illegal and she's like, Jesus Christ.
45:05 Speaker 01 But at least you can have, I think America's one of the only countries that primaries. You can actually like get into a political party and if there's enough will, you can do something.
45:14 Joe Rogan? They wouldn't, they wouldn't even allow it for the Democrats.
45:17 Speaker 01 To primary?
45:18 Joe Rogan? For the last election. There was not even.
45:19 Speaker 01 On a presidential level, they're more uptight, but on a like.
45:22 Joe Rogan? What does that mean? What does that mean?
45:24 Speaker 01 They got the super delegates and they got the secret emails and it's not good, but the fact that you could even have a system to fuck up is, I think, unique to, like in, in Britain.
45:33 Joe Rogan? You gotta stick with the system though.
45:34 Speaker 01 The party picks who the person is, and if you're in the party, you get a huge benefit.
45:39 Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah.
45:39 Speaker 01 That you can't have like a grassroots, you can't have like the branch of the party go, we're putting forward a guy who's, we're gonna primary somebody. You really can primary people in America.
45:47 Joe Rogan? Yes, you can sort of, but not for president, not last time. And they don't let certain people in the primaries, like they're keeping RFK RFK Junior out of the primaries.
45:57 Speaker 01 Yes, and then running as an independent is very bad.
46:00 Joe Rogan? But that's not good.
46:01 Speaker 01 I'm not saying you're living up to it. I'm not saying you're living up to the standards you set, but you're also the only ones who there's even like, people go, we should be able to do it.
46:08 Joe Rogan? People wanted Trump to lose so badly, they were willing to throw democracy out the window. That's kind of what it is. I mean, kind of what it is. If you, if that was coming from the Republican side, people would have been outraged.
46:22 Speaker 01 To do it in the name of democracy was very weird.
46:24 Joe Rogan? Wild.
46:25 Speaker 01 And then also, I remember one of the-
46:26 Joe Rogan? It's so Orwellian.
46:27 Speaker 01 It's like my first week here, there was a Biden speech where he was talking about how like violence has no, it was like happening on about January 6th and stuff. And he was saying violence has no place in the American system, but then the example he gave was the American Revolution. Like, I think that gets, you're meant to have, I think Benjamin Franklin wanted everyone having an armed uprising every like, 12 years or something to wipe the slate clean. You're meant to, that's part of democracy. Ah, do you know about Castro?
46:54 Joe Rogan? What about him?
46:54 Speaker 01 I've just, I'm in a big Wikipedia wormhole about Castro. I didn't know that he hit, that he was a communist. Until he, he wasn't a communist or he kept that quiet. He was like a middle class revolutionary. And then his brother was a commie, but he was like, he didn't come out and say he was a communist until later. And the CIA helped him. I've been reading Castro's speeches.
47:14 Joe Rogan? CIA helped him take over Cuba?
47:15 Speaker 01 The CIA might have been, and then towards the end, they said, we gotta get out of this. This is no good. They really, they changed horses.
47:22 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ.
47:23 Speaker 01 They were really involved on both sides, but they were.
47:25 Joe Rogan? Do we do that everywhere?
47:28 Speaker 01 There's one Aussie, there's one Aussie that you might have done. Goff Whitlam might have been taken out by the CIA.
47:34 Joe Rogan? Jesus.
47:35 Speaker 01 No, he was, he was also a problem and people were quite happy to have him go, but the governor general, man.
47:42 Joe Rogan? Bro.
47:42 Speaker 01 I don't have to go into too much detail. Is, look at that Pine Gap. You have a military base in Australia and he wanted to like, get rid of it or get off American energy subsidies or something.
47:51 Joe Rogan? Oh boy.
47:52 Speaker 01 And then all of a sudden, he was removed.
47:54 Joe Rogan? Oh boy.
47:55 Speaker 01 And we haven't rocked that boat again.
47:57 Joe Rogan? We are so good at that.
47:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:59 Joe Rogan? Between us and the Israelis. The Israelis do the wildest assassinations. Like, did you see the one of them that they did with the Iranian generals? Let's see, make sure that this is true, Jamie.
48:09 Speaker 01 I can get my visa removed for criticizing Israel.
48:11 Joe Rogan? No, no, no. It's, this is a, this is not a criticism.
48:13 Speaker 01 So I want to say, I'm impressed by their beautiful assassination.
48:15 Joe Rogan? This is not, this is not a criticism. This is saying like, this is one of the most gangster things I've ever seen in my life. They made a fake phone call to all these military leaders and said, everybody's got to meet at the bunker. And then they blew the bunker up.
48:28 Speaker 01 That's very Godfather. They know what they're doing.
48:31 Joe Rogan? Bro, it's gangster as fuck.
48:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:32 Joe Rogan? And then you add that to the pagers. They, they sent pagers out, like, didn't they send them out like, a long time in advance?
48:38 Speaker 01 Yeah. I think so. And they got in on the supply side of it. Like, they made the pagers and they managed to...
48:46 Joe Rogan? Cr- I mean, you think about how incompetent some forms of our government are.
48:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:51 Joe Rogan? And then how good they are at killing people that they want dead. It's pretty impressive.
48:56 Speaker 01 If they could do that with potholes in the Midwest, that would be great.
48:58 Joe Rogan? I know, right?
48:58 Speaker 01 If we could move people out of the CIA.
48:59 Joe Rogan? That same level of, well, that's not CIA, that's the Mossad. But that's the same level of inten- or the idea for whoever does it over in Israel. But the same level of intensity with other things, you could dominate the world.
49:12 Speaker 01 I mean, we could get a train going.
49:14 Joe Rogan? We could fix.
49:14 Speaker 01 An actual, we could, high-speed rail in Texas. I believe in it.
49:18 Joe Rogan? Imagine if they took that same kind of ingenuity and tried to fix poverty in America.
49:22 Speaker 01 Brian Simpson said a good, he was on stage for Bottom of the Barrel and he knocked, like, someone knocked the barrel over and they all had to pick it up. And he goes, that's the one thing that could go wrong. We should really fix that. We're never going to. It's like America. We have the resources to make sure that never happens and we won't.
49:39 Joe Rogan? Yeah. No, we won't. But it's, we put all of our effort into making shit that kills people quicker. That's like, the most amount of money, the most amount of effort, other than like, consumer goods.
49:49 Speaker 01 I would, I would say also sport. Is it at some weird, very high level here?
49:54 Joe Rogan? Because that's war.
49:55 Speaker 01 It is tra- it is a very militarized society. Everyone's getting ready to...
50:00 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
50:01 Speaker 01 I, yeah, I mean, football is just military strategy.
50:04 Joe Rogan? Have you ever seen Serbians play basketball?
50:06 Speaker 01 Uh, yes. Yeah, I've seen clips of that.
50:09 Joe Rogan? Seen clips of Serbians, Serbian crowds play basketball.
50:14 Speaker 01 They're big.
50:14 Joe Rogan? If that shit doesn't feel like war, the way the crowd is responding, the cheering, the fucking enthusiasm, like, dude, I watch it all the time, just for inspiration.
50:22 Speaker 01 They're also the only guys, other than black guys, who can compete in, it's the only whites who are contributing to basketball at this point, is the Yugoslavian.
50:30 Joe Rogan? Yeah, they're giant whites from a warlike culture.
50:32 Speaker 01 Yeah. No one else, sometimes an Aussie gets through. We've had like two Aussies break through.
50:36 Joe Rogan? Well, Serbian fighters are terrifying. The dudes from like the Caucasus region, like all the guys from like Dagestan, Georgia, animals.
50:46 Speaker 01 They couldn't get it to work.
50:47 Joe Rogan? Dude, someone just printed something or posted something about the UFC's top pound for pound list, and six of them are from the Caucasus region. Six of them.
50:58 Speaker 01 That seems high.
51:00 Joe Rogan? That's also high.
51:01 Speaker 01 Sometimes that's like a genetic, like all the, like marathon runners tend to be from one mountain. In Kenya, there's like.
51:09 Joe Rogan? The elite of the elite?
51:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, like people go, black people are good at marathon running. But then when you boil it down, it's like, okay, but 90% of them are from Kenya. And then 90% of those people are from one mountain in Kenya, where like the air is very thin.
51:21 Joe Rogan? Oh, so they've adapted to that.
51:23 Speaker 01 There's a book called Taboo, which is about race difference in the, in like all sports.
51:29 Joe Rogan? Uh huh.
51:29 Speaker 01 And they break, and they're like, you're dislikely to, you know, you can't be a white corner. Now there is one, I think, but like,
51:35 Joe Rogan? Rare.
51:36 Speaker 01 That there are, it's very rare and it's very strange. And some of it's social stuff, but a lot of it is, uh, like, I was reading a thing about Mexicans can't get knocked out.
51:46 Joe Rogan? That's not true.
51:47 Speaker 01 No, there must be some, but there's like some gene that is very common in the Mexican population that makes it less likely that you'll be knocked out.
51:54 Joe Rogan? What? Really?
51:55 Speaker 01 I think that's why. They have lots of boxes. I'm I'm I'm half remembering something I read on Wikipedia late at night.
52:02 Joe Rogan? Wouldn't that be crazy if they have such a history of boxing that boxing is somehow or other gotten into their genes to have strong chins?
52:08 Speaker 01 What came first?
52:10 Joe Rogan? Yeah, right. The chicken or the egg?
52:11 Speaker 01 Am I right?
52:12 Joe Rogan? Any connection to Mexican men in the specific gene ACTN3. Saw a video on how Mexicans are so good at boxing. Mexico's produced 209 champions. That's pretty incredible. Video explains how Mexicans supposedly have a gene that has the ACTN3, which determines endurance and or strength, one or the other. I was wondering, is there any truth to this? What's the answer?
52:34 Speaker 01 This is about what I need to believe something is a Reddit post from four years ago.
52:38 Joe Rogan? No, if you if you look down there, is this just one person's post? Did someone answer them?
52:42 Speaker 04 Well, I didn't want to get into the answers because you never know. That's where like his point, you never know where this goes.
52:47 Joe Rogan? Right.
52:47 Speaker 04 I was just gonna start there and then start looking around.
52:50 Joe Rogan? Let's find out if there's, yeah, anything to that. It's fascinating. But I would wonder, because it's like you think about like the history of boxing.
52:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
52:58 Joe Rogan? Boy, Mexico has such a history of boxing. And also, there's a high level poverty. So whenever there's a high level poverty, there's a lot of sports where you don't need a lot of money to play them. Soccer's one.
53:10 Speaker 01 Yep.
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55:33 Speaker 01 If I'm getting, so there's, I was doing a bit about this and I could never get it to like really fly. But like Kyrgyzstan, they have a wife wrestling. You wrestle a woman into a van if you want to marry a woman in Kyrgyzstan. You like.
55:44 Joe Rogan? Today?
55:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, they call it Alakachu.
55:47 Joe Rogan? Alakachu.
55:48 Speaker 01 And there's a big Wikipedia page on that. But you've got to get this lady in the van against her will. And then once she gets in the van, she's so ashamed that she marries you.
55:55 Joe Rogan? Oh boy.
55:55 Speaker 01 But like the one sport they're good at at the Olympics is women's freestyle wrestling. They're great at that. So what came first, the medals or the van? Did they have to get good at wrestling because men kept putting them in vans? Or were they so good at wrestling, the men were like, let's let them show off their beautiful skills?
56:10 Joe Rogan? That's a really good question. I would imagine they were fending off men for a long time.
56:15 Speaker 01 A long time.
56:16 Joe Rogan? So they had to develop technique.
56:18 Speaker 01 I assume it was a horse before it was a van.
56:20 Joe Rogan? Jesus.
56:21 Speaker 01 You can wrestle because they only got the van quite late. There's no way. Anyway, that's one day I'm going to make that fly.
56:27 Joe Rogan? Yeah, that's if it's a part of your culture, I would, you know, Jesus.
56:32 Speaker 01 Yes.
56:32 Joe Rogan? Bride kidnapping. Jesus Christ.
56:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, there's a lot of vice, uh, we are breaking the law, says Mediev.
56:40 Speaker 04 But everyone understands the tradition and you can't change it.
56:42 Joe Rogan? Wow, member of a local government, a small village outside of Kyrgyz capital, how do you say that? Bishkek? Bishkek, you think?
56:50 Speaker 01 Your guess is as good as mine.
56:51 Joe Rogan? But everyone here understands it's a tradition and you can't change it. Oh, okay. Mediev kidnapped his wife El Myra more than 10 years ago. He's one of many Kyrgyz men who have gotten married through the Central Asian practice of bride kidnapping.
57:06 Speaker 01 And they go like 80% of the time it's consensual. Like they organize, but then 20% of the time you're just wrestling a woman into a van against her will.
57:14 Joe Rogan? So there are consensual kidnappings where two people know each other and it's kind of role playing. Then there's full on off the street abductions. Unfortunately, they both look the same.
57:23 Speaker 01 You really want a safe word for that.
57:25 Joe Rogan? Whoa, it can be hard to tell if the girl you see crying for her mom and clawing at the faces of her abductors is merely acting her part for her boyfriend and his family's sake, or is actually on her way to being married against her will, like what the fuck?
57:39 Speaker 01 Very important to be able to tell the difference. I would say, I don't want to pass judgment on the people of Kyrgyzstan.
57:45 Joe Rogan? This is the thing about the world. If you go back like 6,000, 7,000 years ago, it was all like that.
57:54 Speaker 01 You can go back to 100 years ago and everyone, they were foot binding in China. They're having beautiful.
57:58 Joe Rogan? They're still doing it.
57:59 Speaker 01 Didn't, no, they can't still be binding the feet.
58:01 Joe Rogan? There's photos of it.
58:02 Speaker 01 They're still foot binding in China?
58:04 Joe Rogan? I mean, I don't know how widely practiced it is. They're older ladies.
58:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
58:07 Joe Rogan? I don't know when they stopped, but I don't think it was that long ago. Like there's people that are alive right now that have those feet.
58:12 Speaker 01 Well, I'm for it. You don't want some filthy peasant foot on your wife. You want a humble, graceful.
58:18 Joe Rogan? Bro, you better keep those socks on.
58:20 Speaker 01 They do, I was reading about.
58:21 Joe Rogan? Those feet are weird.
58:22 Speaker 01 They are, they look like they're folded in on themselves.
58:25 Joe Rogan? It looks so painful to walk on them.
58:27 Speaker 01 A great one, so I think it's Cameroon, they do chest bind, like they, they flatten the woman's, when she starts getting breasts, they like, you flatten the breasts. But what's weird is that it's the Christian progressive people who are doing it. Cause the culture is once a woman has breasts, she has to get married and she has to come out of school. So because you love your daughter, you iron the boobs down so that she doesn't have to get married for a couple of years. Isn't that funny?
58:52 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ.
58:53 Speaker 01 They should put an end to it.
58:55 Joe Rogan? Um, Last Shoe Factory making Lotus shoes closed in nineteen ninety nine. Wow.
59:01 Speaker 01 There could be some Michael Jordan Lotus shoes out there.
59:04 Joe Rogan? Lotus shoes. Oh my God. So when did this start?
59:11 Speaker 04 Twelve hundreds or something like those.
59:13 Joe Rogan? Wow, the twelve hundreds.
59:15 Speaker 01 Oh, we got, we got the feet, we got the feet.
59:17 Joe Rogan? Look at that lady's foot. Look at that. That is so crazy.
59:20 Speaker 01 I just see beauty. I just see.
59:23 Joe Rogan? I see painful pinky toes. How is that lady ever gonna take like an aerobics class? Look, look how it's become a part of the bottom of her foot. That's so crazy. How badly does that fuck with your back?
59:35 Speaker 01 It's so big on that screen. I'd never seen them that big before.
59:38 Joe Rogan? Bro, those feet are busted up.
59:41 Speaker 01 But the commies stamped it out mostly.
59:44 Joe Rogan? The commies stamped? Well, it's probably, you can't work.
59:47 Speaker 01 No, you gotta be, yeah, you can't partake in the great glorious revolution. Oh, the Lotus shoe? They are beautiful shoes.
59:53 Joe Rogan? Ugh, that's so crazy.
59:56 Speaker 01 You can't buy them. You went straight to shopping.
59:59 Joe Rogan? You never know what happens. Is that the same thing? No, that's a brand name. That's a brand name.
1:00:02 Speaker 01 You walk into your house, it's all OJ Simpson merchandise and Footbound Lotus shoes?
1:00:08 Speaker 04 Actually, his driver is pretty good.
1:00:10 Joe Rogan? That's hilarious. What a fucked up practice.
1:00:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, there's a lot of them.
1:00:15 Joe Rogan? Yeah, what about the one where women put plates in their lips?
1:00:18 Speaker 01 Oh, plates in the lip, the neck extension?
1:00:20 Joe Rogan? Mm-hmm.
1:00:20 Speaker 01 I love the ring neck extension.
1:00:22 Joe Rogan? The ring neck extensions don't even make sense. Like, how does that work? Like, if you take it off, will your head fall off? Like, do you have any muscles left? Do you have any muscles left to support your head?
1:00:35 Speaker 01 I would doubt it.
1:00:35 Joe Rogan? Like, do you have to keep that on for the rest of your life?
1:00:37 Speaker 01 I don't think they're meant to be that long.
1:00:39 Joe Rogan? No.
1:00:39 Speaker 01 I think that's.
1:00:40 Joe Rogan? Bro, that's fucking insane. That's insane.
1:00:43 Speaker 01 Just one guy saw a giraffe and he was like, can we do that?
1:00:46 Joe Rogan? So insane. Is that a Photoshop? Is that Photoshop?
1:00:49 Speaker 04 It's the same person in multiple photos.
1:00:51 Joe Rogan? That's, that's really legit.
1:00:52 Speaker 04 But that's not.
1:00:52 Speaker 01 But there's a young lady doing it too. That's a Photoshop.
1:00:55 Joe Rogan? That can't be real. That can't be real. That lady's head is fifteen feet high.
1:00:58 Speaker 01 That last one's like AI porno for neck guys.
1:01:01 Joe Rogan? Bro, that's so dark. That's so weird. Like, I don't like that at all.
1:01:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:08 Joe Rogan? Oh, don't show me.
1:01:11 Joe Rogan? Oh, they just keep piling those things on and fitting them.
1:01:16 Joe Rogan? What a weird thing to do to your neck, man. That's gotta suck.
1:01:20 Speaker 01 But we do weird stuff. We inject lips.
1:01:21 Joe Rogan? Bro, that's crazy. She's got a towel under her chin.
1:01:25 Speaker 01 But they could be watching it being like, you know, in America, they chop off a little boy's penis and they turn it into a pretend vagina. Isn't that sick and wrong?
1:01:32 Joe Rogan? Well, they probably do that there, too, and I would agree with them.
1:01:35 Speaker 01 That's a very important part of our culture.
1:01:36 Joe Rogan? I wonder if they do do it.
1:01:39 Joe Rogan? You know, someone in the green room was saying the other day that the reason why there's so many ladyboys in Thailand was because being homosexual was illegal.
1:01:50 Speaker 01 But wasn't it legal everywhere?
1:01:51 Joe Rogan? This person that said it, it's just, they said it in passing. I don't know if it was true. And I was, I meant to Google it and I totally forgot until now.
1:01:58 Speaker 01 I mean, it could be, I'm pretty sure it was illegal all over the place and no one else was doing that. No one else had that particular reaction.
1:02:07 Joe Rogan? Well, you know, that's the, the thing about, um, um, what is that fucker? Turing, Alan Turing.
1:02:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:14 Joe Rogan? Alan Turing was the guy who invented the Turing test?
1:02:17 Speaker 01 And he was gay and they?
1:02:18 Joe Rogan? Yeah, and they fucking poisoned him. They gave him like hormone blockers.
1:02:22 Speaker 01 Was it just because he was gay?
1:02:23 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
1:02:24 Speaker 01 There were so many gay British guys, though.
1:02:26 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but he was like-
1:02:27 Speaker 01 They had like a long history of, like Oscar Wilde, everyone knew he was gay and it was only when he went after a guy's son that I think they went.
1:02:33 Joe Rogan? Oh.
1:02:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think he went after a guy's young son.
1:02:36 Joe Rogan? Well, they could always target you for it, though.
1:02:38 Speaker 01 If they wanna get you for something else, they will, they use that. But I think Byron was off.
1:02:42 Joe Rogan? But he was like hospitalized.
1:02:46 Joe Rogan? Legality of same-sex activity, private adult, consensual and non-commercial sodomy was
1:02:52 Joe Rogan? was decriminalized in Thailand in 1956. However, same-sex attraction and transgender identities were still seen as socially unacceptable in many cases. Those that gender expression or behavior falls out of social norms are less likely to be tolerated or accepted. So what happened?
1:03:10 Speaker 04 Just this year, the, they've allowed same-sex marriage.
1:03:14 Speaker 01 And, oh. They've allowed adoption from this year. But, uh, it's very late to it, because I think a lot of gay couples have been going there to get children for a long time. And now they're saying you can have them here.
1:03:26 Speaker 01 Like, that's a big, that's not spoken about is the, the renter womb and the.
1:03:32 Joe Rogan? It's kind of bizarre.
1:03:33 Speaker 01 I'm against it.
1:03:34 Joe Rogan? It's very strange. The idea of a surrogate is very odd. Like, you're having a baby, but it's not really you having the baby. Like, okay, I get it if someone can't have a baby, the couple wants to have a baby, they hire a surrogate. I get it. It's your genes. It's your baby, but it's still, it's like.
1:03:48 Speaker 01 But also there's, I mean, I know Elon has like a lot of kids with different ladies. But then, I mean, that's the public one. He's like a, one of the only public facing billionaires. There's got to be guys out there who are like, I'm getting, I'm getting 10,000 kids. I'm like, take my cum and move it out across. I'm gonna be Genghis Khan with science.
1:04:07 Joe Rogan? Well, guys have done that, that are doctors.
1:04:10 Speaker 01 They just put their own cum in the, there's a big, there's a breakout case in Adelaide at the moment. There's a guy who's, there's maybe a thousand siblings in Adelaide, my hometown at the moment.
1:04:18 Joe Rogan? Every time guys get a chance, they do it. Surrogacy has a long history dating back to ancient times with the real examples found in Babylon in the Bible. While traditionally involved natural conception, modern surrogacy, including artificial insemination and in vitro fertilization, has been developed through scientific and legal advancements. Okay, but the thing is, it's like, they're just playing with words. Hold on, let's go back. Because they're saying surrogacy for someone having sex with someone and getting them pregnant and having a baby. That's not surrogacy. You got a pregnant with.
1:04:49 Speaker 01 That's a mistress.
1:04:49 Joe Rogan? You, yeah, you, you got another lady pregnant. That's all that is. So what we think of as surrogacy is you taking an embryo and inserting it into another woman's womb, right? That's a completely new thing.
1:05:03 Speaker 01 And I think it's really.
1:05:04 Joe Rogan? Weird.
1:05:05 Speaker 01 It's common in like wives of soldiers.
1:05:07 Joe Rogan? The other one's like an agreement. Like, if the wife can't get pregnant, but she wants to have a baby, and she says, listen, if you fuck my best friend, she'll have the baby, and then we'll, we'll take care of the baby.
1:05:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:05:17 Joe Rogan? And I know that I can't have babies, but you, you know, if that's, if you guys are.
1:05:24 Joe Rogan? That kind of swingers and you're down with that and that's that's up to you.
1:05:27 Speaker 01 That feels different from science.
1:05:28 Joe Rogan? That's not surrogacy.
1:05:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:05:30 Joe Rogan? You just had a baby with a different human.
1:05:31 Speaker 01 No, surrogacy seems
1:05:33 Joe Rogan? Right.
1:05:33 Speaker 01 Bad and wrong. I'm I'm I'm digging in.
1:05:36 Joe Rogan? Well, bro, it's gonna go to artificial wombs. All right, that's gonna be the new one. And whether that's 20 years from now or 50 years from now, you're gonna be able to make a baby outside of a human body. It's gonna get real freaky.
1:05:48 Speaker 01 We gotta be, we gotta draw a hard line.
1:05:50 Speaker 04 We pulled this up, I was, the IVF thing gave me a weird thought, a little stone thought.
1:05:55 Joe Rogan? What?
1:05:55 Speaker 04 It's not possible how Jesus was born, was it? They didn't have any sort of way to do it.
1:05:59 Speaker 01 You're saying that our Lord was an IVF baby?
1:06:01 Speaker 04 And we just like forgot about it?
1:06:02 Joe Rogan? Could be. Could be that they had that technique.
1:06:05 Speaker 01 Jamie, it was the Holy Spirit.
1:06:06 Speaker 04 I'm just, I know what they say, I'm just, but like.
1:06:09 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
1:06:10 Speaker 04 Devil's advocate, obviously, but like.
1:06:11 Joe Rogan? Well, for sure, they could have inserted sperm into her. Without her ever having sex, they could have impregnated her.
1:06:18 Speaker 01 I think there's like dolphins that can do it. If dolphins are on their own for a long time, then an egg can fertilize another egg.
1:06:26 Joe Rogan? What?
1:06:26 Speaker 01 It doesn't happen often, but there are examples of it.
1:06:28 Joe Rogan? Really?
1:06:29 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:06:30 Joe Rogan? That's nuts.
1:06:31 Speaker 01 I think I believe that I've read that.
1:06:34 Joe Rogan? You sure?
1:06:35 Speaker 01 I've said that loudly and confidently at a party before.
1:06:38 Joe Rogan? Mammals?
1:06:38 Speaker 01 It might have been.
1:06:39 Joe Rogan? That sounds so crazy that a mammal could do that. Dolphins don't lay eggs, oh, inside, I guess. Yeah. Inside of them? They can inseminate their own?
1:06:46 Speaker 01 I think it's like a couple of examples of auto insemination.
1:06:49 Joe Rogan? So it's like one of the eggs has so much jizz in it that it leaks out and gets in the other egg?
1:06:53 Speaker 01 You get a very butch egg.
1:06:54 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
1:06:55 Speaker 01 You get a trans egg.
1:06:56 Joe Rogan? You get maybe one of the eggs is male and it just jizzes on the other egg.
1:07:00 Speaker 01 You know, it's an early developer.
1:07:02 Joe Rogan? Yeah, just like comes out of, maybe jizz is like in some of them, out of the box.
1:07:07 Speaker 01 I think there's virgin birth in nature. It's not common. Doesn't happen a lot, but it is possible.
1:07:12 Joe Rogan? Definitely animals switch genders. The animals, like especially like primitive reptilian type fucking weird animals.
1:07:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:20 Joe Rogan? They can, there's there's certain animals that can switch their genders.
1:07:24 Speaker 01 I think seahorse ladies have a penis.
1:07:27 Joe Rogan? I think so.
1:07:27 Speaker 01 Am I getting that?
1:07:28 Joe Rogan? You know hyenas have a penis, females.
1:07:30 Speaker 01 No, I didn't know that.
1:07:31 Joe Rogan? Bigger than the males.
1:07:32 Speaker 01 Just for show?
1:07:33 Joe Rogan? No, they dominate the males. They're bigger than.
1:07:36 Speaker 01 They peg the males with their?
1:07:38 Joe Rogan? Female hyenas, they're one of the rare matriarchal mammals. So the females are bigger than the males.
1:07:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:45 Joe Rogan? They have more testosterone than the males and they have bigger dicks.
1:07:50 Joe Rogan? And they hold the males down. Yeah, you want some of this pussy? And then the male has to take his little dick and stick it inside of her big dick.
1:07:56 Speaker 01 What, with the big lady dick just slapping against his belly?
1:08:00 Joe Rogan? Yeah, you want to hear even worse? Sixty percent of all hyenas that are born suffocate to death during childbirth. Coming out of that dick. Cause they're coming out of a dick.
1:08:09 Speaker 01 They come out of the dick? The vagina's on the tip of the dick?
1:08:13 Joe Rogan? No, it's, it's really a vagina.
1:08:15 Speaker 01 Come on, hold on.
1:08:15 Joe Rogan? It's a vagina, but it's like a long dick. Oh, it's, it's bananas. It's bananas.
1:08:21 Speaker 01 I wanna, cause I-
1:08:22 Joe Rogan? It's called, they call it like a faux penis.
1:08:24 Speaker 01 Man, I think last time Shane came on here, I think you guys were talking about the trans penises. And then he just kept texting me the trans penis.
1:08:30 Joe Rogan? Oh, he's horrible with that. He's horrible.
1:08:32 Speaker 01 Just wake up in the middle of the night to a trans penis.
1:08:34 Joe Rogan? He shows you these skin graft scars and you're like, what am I looking at?
1:08:37 Speaker 01 Why is it so much bigger than mine? Why can't you have a humble penis? I've got to see, wow.
1:08:42 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
1:08:43 Speaker 01 Alright.
1:08:43 Joe Rogan? So female hyenas have this giant fake dick and um-
1:08:47 Speaker 01 Ah!
1:08:48 Joe Rogan? Yeah, it's huge.
1:08:49 Speaker 01 They have to put their penis, the, the boys have to put their dicks in?
1:08:52 Joe Rogan? Exactly. And that's how the, the babies come out of that. And a lot of the babies die on the way out.
1:08:57 Speaker 01 We've got to destroy all the hyenas.
1:08:59 Joe Rogan? Sixty percent, I think. I think that's the number. Make, let's make sure that that's the correct number. I'm, I'm pretty sure it is. I think it's-
1:09:05 Speaker 01 The hyena people will be furious if that's not-
1:09:06 Joe Rogan? Sixty percent suffocate during childbirth. And then on top of that, like then they fight over who gets the nipple. And some of them get killed.
1:09:16 Speaker 01 Well, that's why they're so unhappy all the time. In The Lion King.
1:09:19 Joe Rogan? They're just in the most ruthless environment and they're not the biggest animals.
1:09:24 Speaker 01 Alright, come on.
1:09:28 Joe Rogan? Oh, nine to eighteen percent, the mother dies. Jesus Christ. That's crazy.
1:09:36 Speaker 01 Got eyes of-
1:09:37 Joe Rogan? Can you imagine eighty percent of the women dying because the, they're giving birth? Yeah, sixty percent of all spotted hyena cubs uh die in the early stages of life, especially from the first litter. Some scientific observations place the survival rate of firstborn cubs at around forty percent or less. Wow.
1:09:55 Speaker 01 So, sibilicide is huge.
1:09:57 Joe Rogan? Mm-hmm, sibilicide's very huge. They, they fight to the death over like little nipples.
1:10:03 Speaker 01 And like stepdads are not common, well, in the animal kingdom.
1:10:06 Joe Rogan? Well, that's also why female hyenas, I think, are bigger.
1:10:10 Speaker 01 They're gonna protect.
1:10:11 Joe Rogan? Yeah, I think they're there to, cause the men hyenas are bitches and the men probably eat the babies. Because that happens in other commu-, like that happens in bears. In the bear world, female tigers or female bears, rather. The reason why, when you stumble upon a female bear.
1:10:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:27 Joe Rogan? She's ready to fuck you up. Like, that's the worst thing that can happen in the woods. You stumble upon a female bear with their cubs. You're in real trouble. If you stumble upon a male and you're.
1:10:37 Speaker 01 He might let you go.
1:10:37 Joe Rogan? He might, he might not have any interest in you at all. But if you stumble, if you're too close to the cubs, if like she is in front and the cubs are behind and you're behind them.
1:10:48 Speaker 01 You just run away.
1:10:49 Joe Rogan? Bro, you might not have the time. She might just come for you and you can't do a goddamn thing about it because she's dealing with male grizzlies eating her cubs all the time. So she's always on ten.
1:11:02 Speaker 01 I mean, if we go to Yosemite, should we bring a gun?
1:11:06 Joe Rogan? You shouldn't go off trail, for sure.
1:11:08 Speaker 01 Alright.
1:11:08 Joe Rogan? You shouldn't go off trail. You should definitely bring bear spray if you're anybody. Yosemite is in California. Right? I fucked this up before. Yellowstone has the grizzlies.
1:11:18 Speaker 01 This is Wyoming.
1:11:18 Joe Rogan? Yosemite has the black bears. Black bears generally aren't as dangerous as grizzly bears.
1:11:24 Speaker 01 Are there grizzly bears in California?
1:11:26 Joe Rogan? No, there's not. Even though it's the flag, the state flag, it's the bear on the flag.
1:11:31 Speaker 01 The flag misled me.
1:11:32 Joe Rogan? Well, they killed, um, too many people and they, they killed them all.
1:11:36 Speaker 01 But they've got coyotes still running around.
1:11:38 Joe Rogan? Coyotes don't really kill people though. They kill your cats and dogs. Mountain lions occasionally kill people, but grizzlies were killing a lot of people.
1:11:44 Speaker 01 I feel like you guys have way more animals that kill people than we do.
1:11:47 Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah, for sure.
1:11:48 Speaker 01 People talk about our animals all the time. We've got a snake and we've got a spider that you wanna watch out for.
1:11:52 Joe Rogan? You got saltwater crocodiles, motherfucker.
1:11:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, but if you stay away from the crocs.
1:11:56 Joe Rogan? What are you talking about?
1:11:57 Speaker 01 You just, you just keep away from Far North Queensland. But they are.
1:12:01 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but you, so you have to avoid a whole part of your country because it's infested by monsters.
1:12:05 Speaker 01 We were happy to give that one up to the Japanese. We made a deal that if the Japanese invaded, we'd let them have the saltwater crocodile part of the country. Have you seen, uh, is Bob Cadder, this is like our best clip from a politician. He's talking about gay marriage? And he turns it into talking about crocodiles?
1:12:19 Joe Rogan? No.
1:12:20 Speaker 01 Oh, Bob Cadder, crocodile, is my favorite. He, he wins his Far North Queensland seat every year. He's not in any party. But he's like, I'm. Let a thousand blossoms bloom. Oh, yeah.
1:12:32 Joe Rogan? Let me hear it.
1:12:35 Speaker 05 I mean, you know, people are entitled to their sexual proclivities. You know, I mean, let there be a thousand blossoms blooms for us off concern. You know, but I ain't spending any time on it because in the meantime, every three months, a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.
1:12:57 Speaker 01 He's the man.
1:12:59 Speaker 01 He needs more power in our government.
1:13:00 Joe Rogan? Every three months, a person is torn apart by a crocodile in North Queensland?
1:13:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is. I believe it.
1:13:07 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ.
1:13:08 Speaker 01 Well, there's a lot of, you know, a lot of people, there's a lot of.
1:13:11 Joe Rogan? Every three months.
1:13:12 Speaker 01 They come into the ocean as well.
1:13:13 Joe Rogan? Okay, why, why?
1:13:13 Speaker 01 They swim out of the waters.
1:13:14 Joe Rogan? I want you to imagine this.
1:13:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:16 Joe Rogan? What if every three months, someone got killed by a werewolf? Would you still go out at night?
1:13:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:23 Speaker 01 Yes, I would.
1:13:24 Joe Rogan? Every three months, someone gets killed by a werewolf in your town?
1:13:28 Speaker 01 I mean, but how many people down on the roads every day?
1:13:30 Joe Rogan? I understand, but there's something uniquely terrified about getting eaten.
1:13:35 Speaker 01 The crocs never got Steve Irwin. That was the, that was the raise. I'm more upset by the raise.
1:13:40 Joe Rogan? Well, he knew how to handle the crocs. What's that?
1:13:42 Speaker 04 Four deaths since 2020 and nine non-fatal deaths.
1:13:45 Speaker 01 I see.
1:13:46 Joe Rogan? Oh, so it's bullshit.
1:13:47 Speaker 04 But that's not something you can, you just didn't die. You got ripped apart, though.
1:13:50 Joe Rogan? Nine. Yeah, but that's not three. That's not like what he was saying.
1:13:54 Speaker 01 Maybe it's come down. He would have said that now.
1:13:56 Joe Rogan? What was his number that he was saying?
1:13:57 Speaker 01 He said three a month. Did what did he say?
1:14:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, this was also seven years ago.
1:14:01 Speaker 01 Every three months, every three months.
1:14:02 Joe Rogan? Oh, every three months?
1:14:03 Speaker 01 We might have clamped down on that.
1:14:04 Speaker 04 It's only four a year.
1:14:05 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
1:14:07 Speaker 01 But also, there's, you know, you're not like walking through the city. You're not walking through the city and going, the crocs are gonna come and get me.
1:14:13 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but if you go anywhere near a lake and you make the wrong kind of vibrations.
1:14:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, they were very, I went to Cairns once and they were all very scared.
1:14:20 Joe Rogan? They come out so quick. They come out so quick, dude.
1:14:23 Speaker 01 But also what a beautiful way to die.
1:14:25 Joe Rogan? Nope, not beautiful at all. Nope, nope.
1:14:27 Speaker 01 He was eaten by a crocodile?
1:14:28 Joe Rogan? Reptilian evil, the last moments of your life will be horrible energy that you will pass on to the cosmos. You will die in the most horrific way possible.
1:14:38 Speaker 04 It's not that mad. They all fit on two pieces of paper.
1:14:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, he's overplaying, he's overregging it.
1:14:42 Joe Rogan? These are all the people that have been killed?
1:14:43 Speaker 01 But again, Cairns, Cairns, Cape York, Cape York, that's up north.
1:14:48 Joe Rogan? So there's a lot of non-fadals in there, where dudes lost legs.
1:14:51 Speaker 01 No one, you know, we don't have, we've got Cairns, that would be the biggest city up north.
1:14:55 Joe Rogan? Are those as large as the Nile crocodiles, the saltwater crocodiles?
1:15:01 Speaker 01 I don't know how big a Nile crocodile is.
1:15:03 Joe Rogan? Well, I think Nile-
1:15:04 Speaker 01 I only just saw an alligator for the first time. They're not as scary.
1:15:07 Joe Rogan? Well, you gotta see a big one, dude. Lady just got killed in Orlando by one last week.
1:15:11 Speaker 04 Saltwater are larger, more vicious.
1:15:13 Joe Rogan? Saltwaters are larger than the Niles?
1:15:15 Speaker 04 More aggressive.
1:15:15 Joe Rogan? Bro, you have the most aggressive crocodiles in the world.
1:15:18 Speaker 01 We got them, and we got, but it's a lot of koalas and kangaroos. Kangaroos are so friendly.
1:15:22 Joe Rogan? But you have the most aggressive dinosaur in the world in your country.
1:15:28 Speaker 01 That's why to get torn apart by one would be an honour.
1:15:31 Joe Rogan? Yeah, okay.
1:15:32 Speaker 01 It would be, no?
1:15:33 Joe Rogan? You know what I would like to do? I'd like to get together with some special forces dudes and kill those motherfuckers from the air. Okay, everybody thinks you have to keep them alive.
1:15:41 Speaker 01 Not allow them to let that pass.
1:15:41 Joe Rogan? You gotta keep them around. Yeah, I think maybe we keep three in a zoo and everybody else is dead.
1:15:46 Speaker 01 They're beautiful creatures.
1:15:47 Joe Rogan? Turn them into shoes.
1:15:48 Speaker 04 Do you know about the cage of death?
1:15:50 Joe Rogan? What's that?
1:15:50 Speaker 04 You can get into a cage with one?
1:15:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, isn't that a-
1:15:53 Joe Rogan? Don't you show me that, goddammit.
1:15:55 Speaker 01 That's a good cage, that's a strong cave, you'd be fine.
1:15:56 Joe Rogan? No, no, no, people, why do you wanna do that? Don't wanna do, Jesus, that is such a monster, such a fucking heartless monster. If that thing opened up somehow, accidentally, it would love to eat you. What is wrong with people?
1:16:11 Speaker 01 There's a lot of scratches on it too.
1:16:13 Joe Rogan? Oh my god.
1:16:13 Speaker 01 He's trying to get in there.
1:16:15 Joe Rogan? Look at that thing, it's so big. They're so terrifying, dude. I mean, it is a fucking monster. And that's not even a big one, man. I have a friend, his name is Jim Shockey, and he's a professional hunter. He lives in Canada. And they sent him to Africa to shoot crocodiles because they were killing so many people in this one village. And he said when he got there, there was this one particular big croc that was there that was just killing everybody. Everybody was like missing a foot. Everybody had one arm, like for real.
1:16:47 Speaker 01 It's like the jaws, but for crocodile?
1:16:48 Joe Rogan? Yeah, he said it was crazy. It's like so many people in this town had been bitten by crocodiles. So they had developed this system where they put posts in the ground, in the water, so that they knew the crocodiles couldn't get into that, right? So what the crocodiles did was go around it and sneak into the water when the people weren't around.
1:17:07 Speaker 01 They're impressive, beautiful. Have you seen in India when they get like a puma in the village? And everyone's standing on the roof and the puma's like running around the streets and the guys are trying to throw a net on it?
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1:18:55 Joe Rogan? Is that it? Is that the big croc?
1:18:56 Speaker 04 The Philippines.
1:18:57 Joe Rogan? Oh, my God.
1:18:58 Speaker 04 Twenty, it's over 20 feet.
1:18:59 Joe Rogan? Oh, is that a saltwater one?
1:19:01 Speaker 01 It looks bigger because they're very small people, but...
1:19:03 Joe Rogan? That's so big, dude. That's so big. That's such a dinosaur.
1:19:08 Speaker 01 And then we turn it into handbags and shoes.
1:19:10 Joe Rogan? Thank God. I went down a rabbit hole the other... It's so funny that people want to keep them around. I know, I'm like, I want to be real clear. I don't want them to go extinct, for sure. I'm just mostly just fucking around here.
1:19:21 Speaker 01 They shouldn't be in residential sites.
1:19:23 Joe Rogan? It is weird that we tolerate a certain amount of monsters. It's weird.
1:19:29 Speaker 01 To reintroduce them seems nutty.
1:19:31 Joe Rogan? Oh.
1:19:32 Speaker 01 When people are bringing the wolves back.
1:19:33 Joe Rogan? Bro, the thing they're doing in Colorado is so stupid. Because this is what they did, okay? Colorado took these wolves from Oregon that had been preying on cattle. And then they moved them into Colorado where they preyed on cattle.
1:19:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:19:47 Joe Rogan? And then the people whose cattle they were preying on got pissed off. So they took a bunch of them and removed them and put them in Peking County over by Aspen, where they prey on cattle. It's the dumbest thing. Everyone's like, oh, it's going to balance out the wildlife.
1:20:03 Speaker 01 They're trying to shut down the cattle industry?
1:20:03 Joe Rogan? No, they're dumb. They don't know what they're doing. It's wildlife, it's ballot box biology.
1:20:08 Speaker 01 It's just one furry who's like...
1:20:09 Joe Rogan? No, it's the governor. The governor and his husband wanted to do it this way. They wanted to reintroduce wolves. Like, but wolves were already on their way to being reintroduced to Colorado. They were doing it naturally. There's wolves, there's a pack of wolves that was established that had already made their way into Colorado. Colorado boils, borders Wyoming, Wyoming has wolves. So they were getting wolves.
1:20:28 Speaker 01 Is this a tourism thing or they're just like?
1:20:30 Joe Rogan? They just know, it's like, look, there's some, there's some like real thought that could be put into whether or not an ecosystem should be balanced with the proper amount of predators. And if you, the human race, were responsible for killing off this one major predator that was in this ecosystem.
1:20:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:20:50 Joe Rogan? That seems irresponsible and maybe we can bring that animal back and it would balance out the system. This is the thought process behind it.
1:20:58 Speaker 01 Sure.
1:20:59 Joe Rogan? The problem with that is these animals have become accustomed to just killing cattle. They did it in Oregon, then they did it in Colorado, and then they're doing it where they are now. And everybody wants to pretend it's not happening.
1:21:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:10 Joe Rogan? They want to pretend they didn't do that, they didn't do a giant fuck up. These are not wild wolves that are gonna go out and hunt down elk and, and make the population smaller. No, they're used to preying on cattle.
1:21:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:22 Joe Rogan? So they're killing cows all the time.
1:21:24 Speaker 01 There's a lot of people who wanna hunt, right? Like, there are people who wanna take out the animals that the wolves would have taken out.
1:21:30 Joe Rogan? Well, yeah, but you, you should have a balance. You should have mountain lions. Like, it's like, the wild can't, you can't sterilize certain aspects of the ecosystem because they're dangerous to you. But what you shouldn't do is take these animals and then move them into an area where nothing is prepared.
1:21:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:49 Joe Rogan? The ranchers aren't prepared, no one warned them, they moved them to that area without letting anybody know. One of my friends has a ranch there, they released some of the wolves on his property. And these wolves, now all of a sudden, wolves that are used to killing cattle are killing cattle down there.
1:22:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, cuz it would be way easier.
1:22:07 Joe Rogan? They're easier, they're all together.
1:22:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:22:10 Joe Rogan? They don't run away, they, they, they stand still and you kill the calves.
1:22:13 Speaker 01 They're like, like in Britain, they got rid of all the wolves.
1:22:16 Joe Rogan? They got rid of all the wolves everywhere, dude. There's a reason why they did it, it was cuz wolves are like the most intelligent, they're like psychic super predators. They're the most intelligent of all predators, they're the only predator that we have in North America that hunts in a pack. And they're big. You're dealing with a hundred pound plus animal that hunts in a pack.
1:22:37 Speaker 01 They're bringing back the dire wolf as well?
1:22:40 Joe Rogan? Well, so that's different. Okay, this is not.
1:22:43 Speaker 01 But they were not happy with the size of the wolves that they had?
1:22:45 Joe Rogan? They're not gonna put it in the wild.
1:22:46 Speaker 01 Alright.
1:22:47 Joe Rogan? They brought it back to show that this this gene editing that they do for animals is legitimate. So to do that, they reproduced an animal from the genes of one of them, what was it? What were the numbers to me? One was like fifty thousand years old and one was like seventy thousand years old when Beth Shapiro was in here. The the lady who's like the head geneticist, a brilliant woman, uh, she was explaining it all to us. And it's just, the whole thing is bananas. So they essentially didn't even know what they were gonna look like until they came out.
1:23:17 Speaker 01 Is the hope that we get the dinosaurs? They're trying to build Jurassic Park?
1:23:21 Joe Rogan? One hundred percent that's gonna come. If they have DNA from a dinosaur, I don't think they do. I don't think it's possible. I think it's too degraded when it's that old that you don't find like, but maybe they'll find some.
1:23:32 Speaker 01 But the Tasmanian devils, definitely, they're always trying to bring that back.
1:23:36 Joe Rogan? No, the Tasmanian tiger.
1:23:37 Speaker 01 Sorry, Tasmanian tiger. Tasmanian devils is, they're around.
1:23:40 Joe Rogan? That's a weird one, because they get cancer from biting each other. They get face cancer.
1:23:44 Speaker 01 They all have weird, I mean, all the koalas have chlamydia.
1:23:48 Joe Rogan? Do they really?
1:23:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, something like ninety percent.
1:23:51 Joe Rogan? Australian sailors.
1:23:52 Speaker 01 Well, they're very cute. They're very, it's the uh, it's the dugong of the land.
1:23:58 Joe Rogan? Those Tasmanian um devils, they bite each other in the face and they get these horrible face deformities. It's like, it's like um, communicable cancer. It's like cancer that they transfer to each other. It's real weird.
1:24:10 Speaker 01 Did they have that before we got there?
1:24:12 Joe Rogan? I don't think it has anything to do with us. I I don't think that's, I think it has something to do with like, whatever the fuck is in their mouth. You know, it could be just all the horrible shit that they eat.
1:24:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:24:23 Joe Rogan? And then they bite each other and their teeth are probably rotten and disgusting. I don't know, like, why do Tasmanian tiger, or devils, rather, give each other cancer? Let's find out.
1:24:34 Speaker 01 But what do they?
1:24:37 Speaker 01 I mean, we could let them know, what are we gonna brush their teeth?
1:24:40 Joe Rogan? No, can't do anything unless you can come up with a medication that stops it from happening, like an antibiotic or something. I just don't understand like how cancer can be communicable like that, like you can just transfer it by biting. Seems crazy.
1:24:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, if you got covered in a tumor, you wouldn't get cancer, would you?
1:24:58 Joe Rogan? Okay, devil facial tumor disease. It's a contagious fatal cancer that primarily affects the face and the mouth area of Tasmanian devils. Disease has significantly impacted the wild population, posing a serious threat to their survival. What is it? D F T D is a transmissible cancer, meaning it spreads through the transfer of living cancer cells primarily via biting.
1:25:22 Speaker 01 They didn't notice till the 90s.
1:25:24 Joe Rogan? Wow. The tumors usually start as lesions or patches on the mouth and on the face and grow into large disfiguring masses. The disease is almost universally fatal. Whoa.
1:25:33 Speaker 01 So we must have done this. We must be somehow. But if it started in the 90s and now they're going extinct because of it.
1:25:39 Joe Rogan? But that does happen with animals sometimes.
1:25:41 Speaker 01 That feels like weird timing that they were getting by for a hundred thousand years and then 200 years after, Whitey gets there.
1:25:48 Joe Rogan? But that's, it's possible, right?
1:25:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:25:50 Joe Rogan? Yeah. It's good to be cynical.
1:25:53 Speaker 01 We're about to name a football team after them.
1:25:56 Joe Rogan? They're a crazy animal. You ever hear the sounds they make?
1:25:58 Speaker 01 No.
1:25:59 Joe Rogan? Let's play that. Play the sounds of Tasmanian devil. They sound so cool. Like, he was my favorite character for sure in the Warner Brothers cartoons, Tasmanian devil. He'd spin around.
1:26:10 Speaker 01 Who's your favorite?
1:26:11 Joe Rogan? It was fun.
1:26:12 Speaker 01 Bugs Bunny. When I found out, it was at university, people kept going like, he's black. Do you know he's black?
1:26:17 Joe Rogan? Bugs Bunny's black?
1:26:18 Speaker 01 It was like a big thing that he was a black coded character. He's always like, relaxed.
1:26:22 Joe Rogan? Oh.
1:26:22 Speaker 01 And he's got a cool plan that he's working on. He's like a zoot suit guy from the 20s.
1:26:27 Joe Rogan? Yeah. Let me hear some of this.
1:26:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, look, devil was an easy name to pick.
1:26:51 Speaker 01 No, no points for the guy who came up with that.
1:26:55 Joe Rogan? I mean, if you called it anything else, I would be disappointed.
1:26:58 Speaker 01 I miss our beautiful Australian animals. I miss the trees. I got to go through California and see all the like, the gum trees again. I'd seen gum trees in forever.
1:27:08 Joe Rogan? Look at that.
1:27:09 Speaker 01 That's so nice.
1:27:11 Joe Rogan? What a ferocious little fucker.
1:27:12 Speaker 01 Something gets in the blood where it's like, that's what I think an animal should look like.
1:27:15 Joe Rogan? You know what I saw?
1:27:16 Speaker 01 It's what I think foliage should be.
1:27:17 Joe Rogan? Close recently for the, I think maybe the first time, a wolverine.
1:27:22 Speaker 01 Are they real?
1:27:22 Joe Rogan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the real animal. Yeah, it was at a, like a badger. No, it's a badger. It's in the badger family, I think. But I saw one at like this nature preserve when I was on the road. It was pretty interesting, man. You see those little fuckers, like, they're unbelievably ferocious. They scare bears off of carcasses. And they weigh like 50 pounds.
1:27:43 Speaker 01 They're a, this is the year that I've seen the most animals, because I've, I've got kids and we travel around. And I go, I've been to like eight zoos this year.
1:27:50 Joe Rogan? Oh, cool.
1:27:50 Speaker 01 So it's a lot of zoos, but they're, man, did you know in New York, they had a guy at the zoo? They had a human zoo?
1:27:57 Joe Rogan? What is he fighting here, Jamie? Yes.
1:27:59 Speaker 01 Wait, that's the wolverine?
1:28:00 Joe Rogan? Yeah, it's a wolverine.
1:28:01 Speaker 01 Oh, if we get into the animal fight videos, I, I'll have a drink. I think he pissed himself while that was happening.
1:28:06 Joe Rogan? Of course, he probably pisses himself all over the place, just probably to make himself more ferocious.
1:28:13 Joe Rogan? Like, the wolf gets a hold of him. I've seen mountain lions get a hold of him and they don't kill him. They're like unbelievably durable.
1:28:19 Speaker 01 Do you ever watch the like bird and the fish that goes on for like?
1:28:22 Joe Rogan? The bird and the fish?
1:28:23 Speaker 01 There's like a heron trying to get a, a small fish, and they play it in slow motion. They put classical music behind it. Animals trying to get away from other, that's a big.
1:28:31 Joe Rogan? I've watched a lot of those, animals trying to get away from animals, yeah.
1:28:35 Speaker 01 Running fast across the wilderness and you want them to get away.
1:28:37 Joe Rogan? So you're animals, you have a lot of weirdness going on over there, right? Because you have kangaroos, sometimes they get like an infestation, right?
1:28:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, then they go up in a helicopter and they gun down the kangaroos.
1:28:50 Joe Rogan? What used to kill the kangaroos back in the day?
1:28:53 Speaker 01 I don't think anything was killing them.
1:28:57 Joe Rogan? So how did they get to such a?
1:28:58 Speaker 01 I think there might have just been less arable land. Maybe they had like less to eat.
1:29:02 Joe Rogan? Oh, really?
1:29:03 Speaker 01 I assume they would starve, but like, I don't think anything kills the emus. We lost all our big predators, uh.
1:29:10 Speaker 04 The predators aren't, they got two.
1:29:11 Joe Rogan? Dingoes and wedge tail.
1:29:12 Speaker 01 But dingoes came later. Dingoes, I think, came from India.
1:29:15 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but here's the thing, man. Some kangaroos are like six feet tall. They're fucking huge.
1:29:20 Speaker 01 But they'll only bother you. So there's that one video of the guy with the dog, but usually they won't eat alone.
1:29:23 Joe Rogan? Right, but what I'm saying is, good luck to the dingo.
1:29:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:27 Joe Rogan? These fuckers get big.
1:29:29 Speaker 01 Well, they're, they're in packs, though.
1:29:31 Joe Rogan? Dingoes are?
1:29:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:32 Joe Rogan? Oh, so they'll hunt?
1:29:32 Speaker 01 I think they're in packs.
1:29:33 Joe Rogan? Well, they probably don't hunt the big males either, right?
1:29:35 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:29:36 Joe Rogan? Bro, look at all.
1:29:37 Speaker 01 Fuck, I miss Australia.
1:29:38 Joe Rogan? Do you?
1:29:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:40 Joe Rogan? What do you miss the most?
1:29:41 Speaker 01 Oh, I miss the football. I miss the, the accent.
1:29:46 Joe Rogan? Look at all these fucking.
1:29:47 Speaker 01 I don't remember that. That doesn't usually happen. We don't usually get together in a weird mob like that.
1:29:50 Joe Rogan? What's all the demon cults?
1:29:53 Speaker 01 It was during COVID when everyone was inside, there was like kangaroos came back into the town. They were jumping about.
1:29:59 Joe Rogan? So this is a mob of kangaroos?
1:30:00 Speaker 01 That was, that does look like a mob. You'll see them. You'll go on like a nature walk and you'll just see a kangaroo in the distance just looking at you.
1:30:06 Joe Rogan? Jeez.
1:30:07 Speaker 01 But they're like, you know, they, they seem friendly and mysterious and then they jump away.
1:30:11 Joe Rogan? So was there like more dingoes all over Australia at one point in time?
1:30:14 Speaker 01 I think we clamped down on it at some point.
1:30:18 Joe Rogan? Clamp down on the dingoes?
1:30:18 Speaker 01 Well, there was that lady who lost a baby and she said a dingo got it and no one believed her. And now they think the dingo maybe got that baby. But also the dingoes are all in the, I've never seen a dingo.
1:30:28 Joe Rogan? Imagine your dingo eating your baby and nobody believes you.
1:30:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:30:32 Joe Rogan? Isn't that crazy? Like, not only is it horrible that a dingo ate your baby, but then also people think you killed your baby.
1:30:38 Speaker 01 My, all right, my favorite one is the poet Ted Hughes. He's married to Sylvia Plath. He comes home. She's killed herself in the oven.
1:30:45 Joe Rogan? Oh, God.
1:30:45 Speaker 01 Very sad, very difficult.
1:30:46 Joe Rogan? She killed herself in the oven?
1:30:47 Speaker 01 I don't even, I don't think he came home. He'd left her by that point for another woman. She gassed herself in the oven.
1:30:51 Joe Rogan? Oh, God.
1:30:51 Speaker 01 Then he, the moment, I think it's the woman that he runs away with, a couple of years later, she also kills herself in the family oven.
1:30:59 Joe Rogan? Oh.
1:30:59 Speaker 01 His second wife. So like, from the outside, people in the British literary establishment start going, I think he's killing his wives in the oven. You can't have a second oven.
1:31:10 Speaker 01 Suicide. That's a for me once type situation.
1:31:13 Joe Rogan? Well, you could if the second wife obsessed about the death of the first wife.
1:31:18 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:31:18 Joe Rogan? To the point.
1:31:19 Speaker 01 Boy, you'd be careful with wife number three. You'd say, we're going electric oven.
1:31:25 Joe Rogan? Well, these are ex-wives, right?
1:31:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, once they're, I think he was still married to the second one.
1:31:30 Joe Rogan? Oh, okay.
1:31:31 Speaker 01 He didn't have to leave her, but he.
1:31:33 Joe Rogan? So while they were married, she axed herself like that?
1:31:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:31:36 Joe Rogan? Yeah, well, that guy's probably got shitty choice in ladies.
1:31:39 Speaker 01 He, I believe it.
1:31:43 Speaker 01 You should be so cautious of the second one in the same way.
1:31:46 Joe Rogan? Yeah, that's an issue. You'd be like, this keeps coming up.
1:31:49 Speaker 01 Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
1:31:51 Joe Rogan? Yeah, if like, that's the thing about like the Clinton body count. People go like, if fifty-one of your friends commit suicide.
1:31:57 Speaker 01 Very sad.
1:31:58 Joe Rogan? Like something's going on. That's a, that's a giant number. Most people don't have fifty-one close associates whack themselves in strange ways.
1:32:06 Speaker 01 Some people are unlucky.
1:32:08 Joe Rogan? One of, one of the guys hung himself from a tree by, um, extension cord and then shot himself in the chest with a, with a shotgun.
1:32:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, cause he was a hard worker. He was probably a good part of the DNC operation. You didn't want to leave it to chance. Yeah, the mysterious suicide, they keep, it's hard not to get into the conspiracy. I try not to have a conspiratorial mindset because I get unhappy.
1:32:31 Joe Rogan? Well, we already talked about what Israel did. They made the fake phone call to the military leaders.
1:32:36 Speaker 01 Only because it was impressive and I thought it was cool.
1:32:39 Joe Rogan? Right, it is cool.
1:32:39 Speaker 01 But the beepers, they came out and they said, we did it.
1:32:41 Joe Rogan? Both of them are cool, but it's a conspiracy. They conspired to whack somebody.
1:32:45 Speaker 01 They did conspire.
1:32:46 Joe Rogan? Yeah, and they did it and they pulled it off.
1:32:48 Speaker 01 They also, they were getting like the last Nazis for a while.
1:32:53 Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah.
1:32:54 Speaker 01 Over the latter half of the.
1:32:55 Joe Rogan? Hunt them down. Fifty years later, sixty years later, hunt them down.
1:33:00 Speaker 01 You think they'd managed to clear up Hamas quicker?
1:33:03 Joe Rogan? It's one of the weirdest. You ever see that show, uh, Hunting Hitler or Finding Hitler?
1:33:08 Speaker 01 No.
1:33:08 Joe Rogan? Okay.
1:33:09 Speaker 01 I've seen shows like that on the History Channel a lot. I don't know if I've seen that one.
1:33:11 Joe Rogan? Tim Kennedy was on it and they all went down to Argentina. And one of the things you find in Argentina is like entire towns where people speak German.
1:33:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:33:21 Joe Rogan? And so what?
1:33:22 Speaker 01 And Italians too.
1:33:23 Joe Rogan? Well, yeah, right. Miss Looney's guys.
1:33:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:33:26 Joe Rogan? And so they found all these photographs of like SS soldiers on the walls in people's houses. Like, there was a television show about it.
1:33:32 Speaker 01 We have a, we have a German town in Australia where they say there's a pub with like Nazi stuff on the walls. I've never seen it, but the Germans, there's like, there's a Bavarian town where everyone's nice and relaxed. And then there's like a Prussian town where people.
1:33:46 Joe Rogan? Bavarian town.
1:33:47 Speaker 01 But also sometimes you will go around to like a German guy's house, like they've got an old German family. And then you look over on the mantelpiece and there's a knife there. It's a very special knife. It's like, we can't get rid of it. That's grandpa's knife.
1:33:59 Joe Rogan? The weird thing is like, they have full towns down in Argentina that practice Oktoberfest.
1:34:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:34:05 Joe Rogan? They put on the Lederhosen, the whole deal. Like, it's a German town.
1:34:08 Speaker 01 I think there's something about the black population disappeared.
1:34:14 Speaker 01 I don't know if this is, I think it might be Argentina. They had like a big black population and then over a hundred years, people go, I don't know where they are anymore, but they're not here now. And I think it coincides with, maybe it was before the Nazis got there, but that's a weird, that's a weird rabbit hole. There's not a lot about it.
1:34:30 Joe Rogan? There's so many rabbit holes.
1:34:32 Speaker 01 Some people say like they just integrated and.
1:34:35 Joe Rogan? And what, whitened up?
1:34:36 Speaker 01 Like it's kids after kids and you can't see it, but like they were, they had a big black population and it, am I right? I, I need that one. I don't want to just say that and have it sit there.
1:34:45 Joe Rogan? Look that one up.
1:34:46 Speaker 01 But like it disappeared.
1:34:48 Joe Rogan? And this is Argentina?
1:34:50 Speaker 01 It's, it could be.
1:34:51 Joe Rogan? Black genocide, the true history of the whitening of Argentina.
1:34:55 Speaker 01 Thank you, Travel Noir, a website. I've never heard of that website, but I assume it's a.
1:35:00 Joe Rogan? Whoa.
1:35:03 Joe Rogan? Today, many Argentinians hold the erroneous belief that Argentina neither participated in the slave trade nor witnessed the presence of Afro-Argentinians, as if they had left the country naturally. Such misconceptions persist despite historical evidence. Former Argentine President Carlos Menem once shockingly declared in Argentina, "Blacks do not exist. That is a Brazilian problem."
1:35:31 Speaker 01 No one's bringing that up.
1:35:33 Joe Rogan? Whoa. Less than two centuries ago, black individuals compromised over a third of Argentina's population in 1800.
1:35:42 Speaker 01 That seems like a question. That seems like someone should find out what happened there.
1:35:47 Joe Rogan? Holy shit. Holy shit, man.
1:35:54 Joe Rogan? The factors behind the disappearance. Sudden and profound disappearance of black Africans from Argentina is attributed to a confluence of factors.
1:36:05 Speaker 01 The 1870s, though.
1:36:06 Joe Rogan? First is the war against Paraguay, spanning from 1865 to 1870. Thousands of black individuals fought in the military during these conflicts and other wars, resulting in significant losses. The fatalities led to a considerable gender gap within the African population, prompting unions between black women and white men, which effectively diluted the black populace. In addition, many Afro-Argentines sought refuge in more welcoming political climates in neighboring Brazil and Uruguay.
1:36:36 Speaker 01 You don't lose a third of the population by like a battle.
1:36:40 Joe Rogan? They're saying all of them. Like, there's no way these factors would make all of them go away. Another devastating factor was the outbreak of yellow fever in Buenos Aires in 1871, which claimed the lives of numerous locals. But still, wouldn't it be like, here it is, but many sources point to a far darker and more sinister force at work: a covert genocide orchestrated by Domingo Faustino Sarimento, who served as Argentina's president from 1868 to 1874 and played a pivotal role in decimating the Afro-Argentine population. Okay, so it is a genocide.
1:37:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. But this was about 100 years before I thought.
1:37:21 Speaker 01 But then no one, no one's going after Argentina for this.
1:37:23 Joe Rogan? Well, I didn't even know about it until five minutes ago.
1:37:25 Speaker 01 Everyone goes about like, America's a racist country, their racist history.
1:37:29 Joe Rogan? Holy shit.
1:37:29 Speaker 01 Why is no one talking about Brazil's slavery? Brazil had way more. Brazil was like, I think they kept doing it for 20 years as well. They were, it was huge. And then everyone just acts like Brazil is a cool place to go by the beach and relax. Which maybe it is.
1:37:47 Joe Rogan? Have you ever seen The City of God?
1:37:49 Speaker 01 No.
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1:39:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:39:29 Joe Rogan? In Rio? And it is, uh, it makes Eddie Bravo said this, that it makes Boys in the Hood looks like Sesame Street. It really does. Like, if you, you watch that movie, it's so violent and so crazy. And apparently, when you talk to people from Brazil, particularly from the favelas.
1:39:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:39:46 Joe Rogan? It's actually accurate. Like, there were gangs of kids like this. There were like young ten, eleven year old kids committing murder every day. They had guns. They were moving drugs and getting money and like, uh, young.
1:39:58 Speaker 01 What turned it around though?
1:40:00 Joe Rogan? They still have it.
1:40:01 Speaker 01 Ah.
1:40:01 Joe Rogan? Still an issue. I mean, they've done their best to try to like, the, you know, the, the soldiers will like, do raids into the favelas.
1:40:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:08 Joe Rogan? At times, especially when someone does something crazy, but.
1:40:12 Speaker 01 I always said positive things about slums before. There's negative things to have in slums as well. I would just like there to be more, more housing.
1:40:20 Joe Rogan? Yeah, housing would be good, but good housing would be better and there's enough money. There's enough money to do that. It's like, you just have to, we have to prioritize, like, what are we spending money on?
1:40:30 Speaker 01 I mean, we shut, we shut Australia down for like two years. No one was doing anything.
1:40:35 Joe Rogan? Yeah, you guys went nuts.
1:40:37 Speaker 01 We, if you ever lead the world in something bad, that's, I think, a bad sign. Once you have the longest lockdown.
1:40:43 Joe Rogan? What is it about Australians?
1:40:46 Speaker 01 Hmm?
1:40:46 Joe Rogan? As a culture?
1:40:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:47 Joe Rogan? That allowed them to be kind of ordered around like that?
1:40:51 Speaker 01 We love rules.
1:40:52 Joe Rogan? Is that what it is?
1:40:54 Speaker 01 I think about this a lot. Cause it's, I mean, like, like driving in America is, feels wild and free. Like, no one's doing the speed limit. If you do the speed limit on the freeway, it feels way more dangerous than going five over. We have cameras everywhere. You can't, if you go one, two miles over the speed limit in Australia, you get fined. They've recorded you. You're in. And we don't push back. I have no idea why, other than, cause people don't like it. Overall, people don't wanna go through the bureaucracy.
1:41:19 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
1:41:19 Speaker 01 But maybe there's no, we have no like, animating sense of freedom, that people should be free. It's like, I think if the motto here is, don't tread on me, we've got, pull your fucking head in. You hear that quite a lot.
1:41:31 Joe Rogan? Pull your head in.
1:41:31 Speaker 01 Pull your head in.
1:41:32 Joe Rogan? What's that mean?
1:41:33 Speaker 01 What are you, what are you fucking doing? Pull your, pull your fucking head in. Like, get in, get in line. Go with the flow. Do what you're meant to do. And for a while, I guess we were also prosperous for a long time. And that worked. If you just like laid low and you did what you know, you went to school, you went to uni. The government's gonna pay for your uni. You get a, you get a nice job, you get a big, beautiful suburban family home. Don't buck the system. You don't have to do anything crazy. And as that falls apart now, which is falling apart quickly. Rent's out of control, the inflation's so much worse, the, it's all, you know, the immigration is like. Kind, it's silly. Like, we're not building houses in line with that.
1:42:14 Speaker 01 And so it's like, I don't, a lot of comics are moving overseas. Like in a way that no one moved overseas. When I was, for the first 10 years I was doing comedy, I think a couple of guys went to the UK. And that was it. And now Aaron Chen's here, Blake Freeman's here, Amos Gill's here.
1:42:29 Joe Rogan? What do you think is the big motivator to, what was the biggest thing that was a problem over there?
1:42:35 Speaker 01 Post Co, I mean, COVID was, COVID radicalized a lot of people.
1:42:38 Joe Rogan? Is that what it was? Just the kind of control they put down on you guys?
1:42:41 Speaker 01 It was, and then the, I mean, there's, there's so much opportunity here. People keep saying the cost of living's going up in America, and it is, but it's like, still. It's wacky that eggs are only three seventy or something. That's so cheap for eggs for us.
1:42:57 Joe Rogan? Really?
1:42:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:42:59 Joe Rogan? How much are eggs over there?
1:43:00 Speaker 01 More, substantial.
1:43:02 Joe Rogan? Yeah?
1:43:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:43:03 Joe Rogan? Like, how much? Give me.
1:43:04 Speaker 01 I don't know, I'm buying, I'm buying free range eggs, cause we, my wife insists on it. But still, I would, I think if you did an egg, if you did like a milk to milk, egg to egg, you'd dominate.
1:43:13 Joe Rogan? Interesting.
1:43:15 Speaker 01 America has so far to go before it gets to be a revolutionary, fourteen a dozen.
1:43:20 Joe Rogan? Whoa. Fourteen bucks a dozen you guys pay for eggs? That's crazy.
1:43:26 Speaker 01 Oh man, it's, if you've got Coles and, well, I mean, the dollars, the dollar's a bit different.
1:43:30 Joe Rogan? So there's less opportunity, things are more expensive.
1:43:32 Speaker 01 And also there's, I mean.
1:43:34 Joe Rogan? But what about COVID radicalized a lot of people?
1:43:36 Speaker 01 You got locked in your house for, I mean, it was literally in Melbourne, we were in Melbourne when it kicked off. My wife and I, and we had a newborn child and she was pregnant with the next one. And they said, we're locking everyone down for six weeks, you can't leave your house. And it was, we had better, not better, we had like stronger state by state regulation. So if you moved back, we were from Adelaide in South Australia. They said it was two weeks if you came from interstate, so we just drove all night and got out, but then watched as people. It's like a three hundred day lockdown.
1:44:04 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ.
1:44:05 Speaker 01 Ah, you couldn't do, it was one of the only places you could do shows was in Adelaide. We did have, I saw, I like Josh Steppes, he seems great. I saw him on here talk like about the, I think you confronted him about the concentration camps. And it's like, yeah, we had camps where we concentrated people. I don't know what else you meant to call that.
1:44:20 Joe Rogan? Yeah. Yeah, we had a disagreement too about myocarditis and it was interesting. It's like you would get all these different, now it's like firmly established there's a higher risk of myocarditis for young people that took it. But back then it was really confusing and I was like, why did I read articles that said it was a higher risk? And then he brought one up that said there is more of a risk of getting myocarditis from COVID itself. Which really didn't make any sense even in the argument because back then we didn't know that it not only doesn't protect you from getting the virus, it doesn't even protect you from spreading the virus. So you still get it. So you still have a chance if that's true.
1:44:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:44:55 Joe Rogan? But it turns out when I talked to Dr. Massim, uh, Asim Mahatra, who is, um, he's a part of this whole Maha thing too. And he was another doctor that was initially pro vaccine and eventually just realized there was a, a bunch of horseshit going on with all of it. He said, they, that's not what they measured. They were measuring troponin levels. They were measuring like what, what happens when you get sick and that
1:45:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:45:19 Joe Rogan? those levels are higher in a viral infection. And he was saying that, that's not indicative of what true myocarditis is, which is a, an enlargening of the heart and a scarring of the heart tissue. It's like,
1:45:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:45:30 Joe Rogan? it's a different thing they're looking for. They're elevating the number of people that are getting it from COVID by doing it this way. He was saying.
1:45:37 Speaker 01 Oh, I can see why you like,
1:45:40 Speaker 01 it's hard to lose trust in the establishment. Like you want to believe that the people running the medical side of things and who are setting all the rules have your interests at heart and you should listen to them.
1:45:50 Joe Rogan? Especially if you're in so certain social circles, right?
1:45:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:45:53 Joe Rogan? So if you're in certain social circles where people are very pro-science and very logical and rational and they are all in agreement of one thing, you don't want to be cast out of that social circle. You don't want to be thought of as being a fool. And so you don't want to have any opinion that's opposing what is this consensus narrative amongst these people.
1:46:12 Speaker 01 It's also, I mean, it's nice to be in that group because you get to, you get to live in a world where the government cares about you and they know what they're doing and this politician in a suit. Like, there was a.
1:46:22 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but you gotta know.
1:46:22 Speaker 01 The realm for personal expression of politicians was tiny for a long time because it was, you know, that's what you want. Trump's blown this up, but I remember like Howard Dean did a weird scream and his career was over. That's what it took back in the day to ruin your candidacy.
1:46:36 Joe Rogan? Yeah, well, how about?
1:46:37 Speaker 01 Because they had to keep that illusion going that like, these are very competent people who will not make a weird noise at the wrong time.
1:46:42 Joe Rogan? Oh, for sure. That was all they would need to latch on to. And then they would like throw it in everybody's face. It would be all over the news and it would be over.
1:46:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:46:49 Joe Rogan? There was no internet, you know?
1:46:50 Speaker 01 But what a, I mean, isn't that a nice world to?
1:46:53 Joe Rogan? That world?
1:46:54 Speaker 01 Like that 50s world of like, ah, you can, we've got a man in a white coat and he knows what's up. You don't have to do all the, it's taxing to try and figure out how disease works.
1:47:04 Joe Rogan? Oh, it's, yeah, it's not fun. It's not fun to not trust anyone and always wanna read like hundreds of different articles on any complex subject to try to get an understanding of who's telling the truth and who's not. It's a pain in the ass.
1:47:19 Speaker 01 And the cost for getting it wrong is, like, if you get 19 things right and one thing wrong, they just go, you're a fucking idiot.
1:47:24 Joe Rogan? Oh, 100%. Yeah. But I think the key is like, you have to say why you got it wrong and then express yourself. Like, I get things wrong, but I'll tell you why I got it wrong and then I won't lie and I'll tell you what I know now. So if I know now that something's different than what I thought, I definitely always say it. And I always say, I was wrong about this and this is why. I like, get it out. You gotta get it out because it's important. Like, the, the whole thing is we're trying to figure out what the fuck is actually going on. And when you're looking at like really complex, like you get into something like the Kennedy assassination.
1:47:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:47:58 Joe Rogan? Which is one of the big ones in this country because a lot of people are like, oh, let it go, let it go. But then there's a lot of other people go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This shows you how they did it in 1963 and they've evolved. And anything that's alive, that's still a part of the, the systems are all still there.
1:48:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:48:16 Joe Rogan? For sure. They're just way better at doing that and they've learned how to not use a magic bullet and, you know, not fucking, you know, the grassy knoll and not kill all the witnesses. You know, they learned how to do stuff like that. They got a lot better.
1:48:29 Speaker 01 So it's like, so Jack Ruby.
1:48:33 Speaker 01 Kills, I'm gonna get a lot of this wrong.
1:48:35 Joe Rogan? Lee Harvey Oswald.
1:48:36 Speaker 01 Jack Kennedy kills Lee Harvey Oswald.
1:48:37 Joe Rogan? We have a photo of it right out there, right? The moment he's shooting him.
1:48:40 Speaker 01 But then when he's under arrest, there are like two journalists who come and interview him. And I think one of them kills him.
1:48:45 Joe Rogan? No, no, no, Jolly West, Jolly West, the head of the MKUltra program.
1:48:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:48:50 Joe Rogan? Yeah, Jolly West visits him and he goes insane. He'd never had any history of mental illness. Jolly West sees, he sees Jews burning in hell and he's just going crazy. He's high because he was a Jewish man.
1:49:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:01 Joe Rogan? So he thought they were coming for him. He's hiding underneath the fucking bench, he was screaming. He went completely, they dosed him with acid, man.
1:49:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:09 Joe Rogan? This is the MKUltra people visited him.
1:49:11 Speaker 01 I think a journalist who talked to him before he died got killed by a, some sort of gay karate chop.
1:49:18 Joe Rogan? A gay?
1:49:19 Speaker 01 It was like a gay, it was like a gay journalist.
1:49:21 Joe Rogan? When you're fucking him in the ass, you chop him in the back?
1:49:24 Speaker 01 I think he took a man home for a sexual encounter and then he was karate chopped to death. I think that's the official explanation.
1:49:28 Joe Rogan? It's a very rare thing to karate chop a man to death. That's a weird choice.
1:49:32 Speaker 01 It was the sixties, it was cool, karate chop somebody.
1:49:34 Joe Rogan? Why did they know it was a karate chop unless they have a video?
1:49:37 Speaker 01 I think that's the medical examiner said karate chop.
1:49:39 Joe Rogan? Okay, that medical examiner's not the fuck they're talking about. He probably just stomped him.
1:49:43 Speaker 01 Well, do you think, well, who's the Manson family? The Manson?
1:49:47 Joe Rogan? Yes.
1:49:47 Speaker 01 He was dosed with some sort of?
1:49:49 Joe Rogan? Oh, 100%. And I'm sorry if you've heard this before, ladies and gentlemen, but the book Chaos by Tom O'Neill is amazing. Amazing.
1:49:58 Speaker 01 All right.
1:49:58 Joe Rogan? He's Greg Fitzsimmons' old neighbor. So Greg, who's at the mothership this weekend, who's awesome. One of my best friends and I've been friends with, I started doing comedy with him one week apart when we did open mic night.
1:50:09 Speaker 01 Is he a Boston guy as well?
1:50:10 Joe Rogan? Yes, known him forever. He's awesome. So he, and hilarious comic too, I think it's all sold out. But he was next door to this guy and this guy was a journalist, super nice guy. They became friends. He's saying, I'm writing this thing about Manson. It was supposed to be for a magazine. It was supposed to be like 25th anniversary of the Manson family killings. But he starts finding all these inconsistencies and he keeps going further and further down the rabbit trap. And he thinks the prosecutor's full of shit and there's some sort of a connection to the government. He's like, what the fuck is going on here? So he doesn't meet the deadline. So he keeps going, and so then he gets a book deal. And he just like, it's going on and on and on and on and on for 20 fucking years. For 20 years, this guy studies nothing but the Manson case. He's got stacks and boxes.
1:50:55 Joe Rogan? He's been interviewing people. And then he puts together this book with help. He had to get someone to help him organize it because he was so deep in the weeds. He's got enough for another book. I mean, a pure obsessive, but a brilliant guy. And this book, Chaos, it outlines all of the MKUltra involvement in the Manson family. And all the different things that they were doing at the time with the CIA mind control experiments. So they were running brothels.
1:51:19 Speaker 01 Which they did definitely seem to have.
1:51:21 Joe Rogan? 100%.
1:51:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:51:22 Joe Rogan? All 100% real.
1:51:23 Speaker 04 You know about this lady?
1:51:24 Joe Rogan? Dorothy Kilgallen, reporter cloaked in controversy.
1:51:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'd say read this.
1:51:30 Joe Rogan? Okay, Dorothy Kilgallen is best known for her column, The Voice of Broadway, in the New York Evening Journal, which was published in over 140 papers, and for her role as the game show panelist in the 1950's television program, What's My Line? She was hailed by the Post as being the most powerful female voice in America. Kilgallen spent a vast majority of her career cloaked in controversy, most notably surrounding her investigative work into the John F. Kennedy assassination. As a longtime skeptic of the Warren Commission, a study conducted by the United States government into who killed JFK, as well as who killed Lee Harvey, well, we know who killed Lee Harvey Oswald. JFK's supposed assassin, Kilgallen dove deep into the controversy. Some may even argue too deep.
1:52:12 Joe Rogan? Kilgallen was under suspicion that Oswald did not commit his crimes alone, and published several articles reflecting this belief. Jack Ruby, who allegedly killed Lee Harvey Oswald on November 24th, 1963, was only interviewed by one reporter throughout the trial, Dorothy Kilgallen. Since her interview with Ruby, many noted that Kilgallen carried a file with her at all times. It remained under lock and key when not physically in her hands, according to those close to her. Kilgallen's file continued to grow throughout the investigation. In a conversation with her lawyer, Jim Garrison, prior to, that's the guy who prosecuted, that was in the movie, Kevin.
1:52:54 Joe Rogan? Kevin Costner played him in the JFK movie. Yeah. Prior to a trip to New Orleans with Dorothy later inexplicably canceled, he remembers her saying, "I'm going to break the real story and have the biggest scoop of the century." Kilgallen's first trip to New Orleans was planned two weeks prior to her death. When her husband, Richard Kolmar, found her with files missing by her hairdresser in a bedroom she never slept in, dressed in clothes she would never wear to bed, reading a book she had finished and disliked, wearing glasses she didn't need for reading. Initial autopsy report, a Brooklyn medical office, as opposed to the office in Manhattan where she lived, found her cause of death to be a lethal combination of alcohol and barbiturates.
1:53:39 Joe Rogan? The report later amended to note that the barbiturate originally found, Secanol, a sleeping pill for which she had been prescribed, was in fact a combination of Tu- Tu- Tuanol and Nembutal, which she did not have access to. Although her death was eventually ruled a suicide, Kilgallen's husband noted that when she returned from a taping of What's My Line early that evening, she appeared chipper. Well, a lot of people do seem chipper before they go. They're like, "I've decided." Yeah, a researcher by the name of Mark Shaw investigated Kilgallen's death, found that she was under surveillance by the FBI through the Freedom of Information Act. Friends of Kilgallen recall her expressing fear for her life, leading up to her death,
1:54:21 Joe Rogan? and she supposedly even purchased a gun, a rather uncharacteristic thing for her. Yeah, they whacked her. Yeah, they whacked her. Yeah, they've got to finish releasing. In a recent release of the JFK files on October 26, 2017, a file entitled Dorothy Kilgallen by Richard Nixon was released, but its contents remain sealed due to reasons of national security.
1:54:47 Joe Rogan? They whacked her. Yeah, it does. Was there a gay karate chop or did I make that up? I didn't see that.
1:54:54 Joe Rogan? They whacked her. They whacked her. It seems likely. Yeah, she was digging into the investigation. Look, you know,
1:55:03 Joe Rogan? when you talk to, like, I talked to Oliver Stone about it multiple times and Oliver Stone, despite his advanced age, is still brilliant and his recall is incredible. His recall on the assassination, he's obsessed with that assassination. So he can tell you like who was involved, who did this, and Alan Dulles and this and that, and Warren Commission report, and then it goes back. The rabbit hole just goes so deep. It goes all the way, it goes all the way to Richard Nixon. Because it goes all the way to Gerald Ford, who was on the Warren Commission's report, and when they kicked Spiro Agnew out, they got Spiro Agnew on, you know, corruption. Yeah. They kicked him out. They put in Gerald Ford. Yes. Then they kicked Richard Nixon out. Yeah. With the Watergate thing. Yes.
1:55:46 Joe Rogan? Which I always thought was Richard Nixon got caught being a crook. But that's, no, it was like- He was not a crook. It was an intelligence agency plot. The whole thing was, Tucker Carlson lays it out. Yeah. This, Nixon reputation is starting to come back. Well, you know. People are starting to love Nixon again. There's a lot of Nixon- Maybe for the first time. Stuff that he did that's not good. Jim Cothe wrote, decided to write a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy. However, he died on the 21st of September 1964. Oh, there we go. It seemed that a man broke into his Dallas apartment and killed him by a karate chop to the throat. That could happen to anybody. That's a real thing that happens over time. This, this is the thing, like, how do they know they didn't just strangle him to the throat? Like, if you have damage to your throat, if you don't see the guy karate chopping him.
1:56:31 Joe Rogan? Well, it does seem like a weird flourish for the secret police to put out there. But that's like, one of those things that you would say. Cothe just, oh, it seemed like a man broke into his apartment. Tom Howard, Tom Howard died of a heart attack, age 48, 1965. Who's Tom Howard? Oh. Attorney. Oh, his attorney. Okay.
1:56:53 Joe Rogan? Okay, and they both died. They definitely could give you a heart attack. They definitely could give you a heart attack.
1:57:01 Joe Rogan? The karate chop thing's weird, but I think that's like-
1:57:01 Speaker 01 Karate chop does. I really always held on to karate chop. It's the one detail that really stayed with me through the years.
1:57:06 Joe Rogan? How are you sure? You can't tell. I've seen so many guys get beat up and you can never tell what hit them.
1:57:12 Speaker 01 It could have been a very long bruise across the throat, a big forearm.
1:57:15 Joe Rogan? Shin, shin to the neck. Easy.
1:57:18 Speaker 01 People weren't, people didn't have that sort of kicking ability in the west at that time.
1:57:23 Joe Rogan? Sure, some people did. Yeah, there was people that trained like an assassin. If you were gonna be assassin, you would learn Muay Thai. There was like legit Muay Thai guys back then.
1:57:30 Speaker 01 You could also have a knife.
1:57:31 Joe Rogan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you wanted to make it look like it was like a-
1:57:35 Speaker 01 It was a bachelor flat. Is that why I thought it was some sort of?
1:57:39 Joe Rogan? Uh, cause of death, asphyxiation from a broken bone at the base of his neck, apparently the result of a karate chop. You know, I'm suspicious. I think they probably thought of it as a karate chop because this is how people thought back then. But I would imagine that was like a baton on the neck where you choke a guy to death.
1:57:55 Speaker 01 There was a time, I know in Austin Powers karate chop is like a cool thing. Early sixties, people just found out about karate.
1:58:01 Speaker 04 The other guy was accidentally shot by the police a few hours before.
1:58:04 Speaker 01 That can happen. That can happen.
1:58:06 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ, man. When you read stories like this, like if you're not a conspiracy theorist, you're like-
1:58:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was the karate chop that made me think it was something had gone wrong. Karate chop's the only thing that drew me in. I was happily signing up with the rest of the official narrative.
1:58:23 Joe Rogan? Dude, I've seen a lot of guys get karate chopped in the neck.
1:58:26 Speaker 01 And they're all fine?
1:58:26 Joe Rogan? None of them died.
1:58:27 Speaker 01 My dad is like a big-
1:58:29 Joe Rogan? That's not what breaks your neck.
1:58:30 Speaker 01 My dad really like, he really believes the JFK assassination happened the way they said it did. And he went to Da- he made a whole trip of it to Dallas and he went up to the building. He was like, he could have done it. He could have done it from here.
1:58:41 Joe Rogan? Well, here's the thing-
1:58:42 Speaker 01 So I, I've never really dug into it.
1:58:43 Joe Rogan? Well, here's the thing. He could have shot JFK in the head from the book depository.
1:58:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:58:49 Joe Rogan? Anybody who says any different has never shot a rifle. It wasn't that far. It was, I think it was a hundred and forty yards. If you have a scope and you have an accurate rifle, a hundred and forty yards is not a long shot. And if you have practiced and you know how it's gonna go down and you're prepared, you're gonna know exactly where he's gonna be. You're gonna have the crosshair on him. You pull the trigger, you hit him in the head. And you might be able to get off a couple of shots and some people have been able to recreate the three shots and they think that he got off three shots and there was that's impossible.
1:59:21 Speaker 01 They recreated?
1:59:21 Joe Rogan? Yeah, people have done it.
1:59:22 Speaker 01 They like closed down central Dallas?
1:59:24 Joe Rogan? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They they shot off three rounds from a Carcano rifle in that same period of time.
1:59:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:59:31 Joe Rogan? They didn't do it there.
1:59:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:59:32 Joe Rogan? But they did it. It showed, look, you can shoot three times in the amount of time that it took him to drive.
1:59:37 Speaker 01 But this is the problem with any conspiracy theories that like.
1:59:39 Joe Rogan? Well, you gotta look at all of it.
1:59:41 Speaker 01 There are a bunch of things that don't.
1:59:42 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
1:59:43 Speaker 01 There are like a thousand conspiracy theories about JFK. And some of them are nuts and then some of them hold up.
1:59:49 Joe Rogan? It was my point, though, is that that is undeniable, but it's also undeniable. There was a lot of people that reported that they heard gunshots from the grassy knoll.
1:59:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:59:58 Joe Rogan? There's also the the whole magic bullet theory, which is total horseshit. That's the most horseshit theory that's ever been promoted.
2:00:04 Speaker 01 That there was like an ice bullet that dissolved inside of.
2:00:07 Joe Rogan? No, do you know the magic bullet theory? One bullet caused a whole ton of injuries in both men. Now, this is what they had to do. Okay, there was a guy that got shot in the underpass.
2:00:16 Speaker 01 Yes.
2:00:17 Joe Rogan? So there was an underpass and a ricochet hit the granite, the curbstone.
2:00:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:00:22 Joe Rogan? And he got hit in the head. So he got fucked up and he had to go to the hospital. And then they found the impact and they found the bullet. So they knew that this accounted for one of the shots that it missed. So then they had to count for two different entry holes on on Kennedy.
2:00:39 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:00:39 Joe Rogan? And entry hole in Connolly. So Connolly was shot in the wrist.
2:00:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:00:45 Joe Rogan? And in the thigh as well. So it had, you had to say that one bullet did all this damage in both people. And then there was the headshot.
2:00:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:00:54 Joe Rogan? Because you have the third bullet. So they had came up with one wacky theory and they found this bullet in pristine condition on the gurney in when they went to visit in the hospital. So when they, when they had JFK's gurney in the hospital,
2:01:09 Speaker 01 There was a bullet next to him.
2:01:10 Joe Rogan? They magically found this pristine bullet.
2:01:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, this is like when the passports fall out of the plane on 9/11.
2:01:16 Joe Rogan? Yeah. Almost as ridiculous. But this one is so ridiculous because you have the physical evidence of the bullet, which is impossible. It's impossible for a bullet to shatter bone, go through two different people, leave more residue, like more bullet fragments were in Connolly's, Connolly's wrist than were missing from the bullet. That bullet, that bullet supposedly went through two different people, shattered bone on both of them. And
2:01:43 Speaker 01 That's a special bullet.
2:01:44 Joe Rogan? As a person who's shot guns before, that's horseshit. That's not what happens when a bullet hits bone. So it's supposed to have gone through his back.
2:01:54 Speaker 01 This is the official explanation?
2:01:55 Joe Rogan? Exit out his tie hole, yeah, like right where his tie knot is, goes into Connolly's wrist, and then goes into his thigh, shatters his wrist, leaves fragments in his wrist, the wound left in the thigh, and then they find this magical, perfect bullet, pristine condition, on the gurney in the hospital.
2:02:17 Speaker 01 I mean, look, it seems weird.
2:02:19 Joe Rogan? Was it Connolly's gurney that they found it on? Or, or JFK's? I might, I might have got it wrong. It might have been Connolly's gurney that they found the bullet on. But either way, listen to me. Shut the fuck up.
2:02:30 Speaker 01 No, I look, I usually stop at this point. Because I don't want it to happen.
2:02:34 Joe Rogan? Anybody who says that that's what, that's what happened, shut the fuck up. Then there's also the problem of the bullet hole in his neck. Now, they're trying to attribute that as an exit wound. But the thing is, in the, there's two different autopsies. There's the autopsy from Dallas, and then there was the autopsy from Bethesda, Maryland. And the discrepancy was, the one in Bethesda, Maryland, I believe, called it a tracheotomy scar, or tracheotomy cut.
2:03:01 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:03:01 Joe Rogan? So like they opened him up to put a trach in. The only reason why they would do that is they don't want to attribute that to a bullet that hit him in the front of the neck. I think there was a bunch of different people that were trying to figure out how do we make it so that it was only this one guy? And Lee Harvey Oswald might have pulled the trigger. He might have been a part of it.
2:03:19 Speaker 01 He does kill the policeman later, right?
2:03:21 Joe Rogan? I believe so. I believe they, they, most people believe he did that.
2:03:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:03:25 Joe Rogan? Yeah. And well, he all, he already knew that he was on the run at that point in time, right? And then when he gets arrested, he says, I'm a patsy. I'm a patsy. Okay. Maybe, maybe, maybe he was involved. Maybe he didn't pull the trigger. Maybe somebody else who was a real expert marksman. Cause if you, if you, he wasn't that good. Like people say he wasn't a good marksman, but let me tell you something about.
2:03:45 Speaker 01 He had been, he was like downgraded to marksman.
2:03:47 Joe Rogan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But here's the thing about shooting rifles. All right. When you're talking about like 500 yards, you're talking about really long shots where you're required to be prone and lay perfectly still.
2:03:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:03:58 Joe Rogan? Yes. I would say you really want to be an elite marksman to do that. And there's a lot of technique involved in training and they're very meticulous about their preparation, their breath work. And it's like a very intense thing. Cause you can't move at all. You have to be like so precise. But 140 yards is not far. It's not that far.
2:04:15 Speaker 01 It's like with the Trump thing, they said a child could have done it. When?
2:04:19 Joe Rogan? If he had a scope. That kid didn't have a scope. See, the Trump thing was fucked because that guy was using iron sights. So iron sights are, that's what, it's like standard, they don't, you can adjust them slightly, but like towards your side, closer to the shooter, there are two posts and at the end, there's one post. And the, the, the, like the scoop from the upper post, it lines in.
2:04:40 Speaker 04 He has a scope of some kind.
2:04:42 Joe Rogan? He did have a scope.
2:04:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:04:44 Joe Rogan? Oh, so why, why did they say that he didn't forever?
2:04:47 Speaker 04 I don't know. I mean, well, I'll say like down here.
2:04:49 Joe Rogan? But there was a photograph of it.
2:04:51 Speaker 04 So this photo down in the corner with my cursor doesn't have a scope?
2:04:54 Joe Rogan? Right.
2:04:54 Speaker 04 This is from the FBI.
2:04:55 Joe Rogan? Okay. But here's the thing. I'm pretty sure there was a photograph of it laying on the roof and it didn't have a scope. And this is why, and this is not my theory. This is all the people that I know that are in like the tactical world that have talked to me about this. They were saying that he had iron sights. See if you can find it, if they show a photo of the actual rifle.
2:05:18 Speaker 01 And then there's just nothing about this that's come out since then.
2:05:21 Joe Rogan? So if he had a, if he had a scope, that's even crazier that he missed. Um, because that's a chip shot. It's not a hard shot. It's, you're 140 yards. You have a, an accurate rifle.
2:05:34 Joe Rogan? So let's see, scooping bit on that. Hmm. Kind of does look like he has a scope.
2:05:41 Joe Rogan? Can we go back to that again?
2:05:42 Speaker 04 A lot of these pictures from the, just talking of it, they're using a picture of a gun without a scope to confuse people.
2:05:48 Speaker 01 It's hard to tell.
2:05:49 Joe Rogan? Interesting. Okay. So it's hard to tell, but go to the, the top one again and make that larger.
2:05:55 Speaker 04 Like this one?
2:05:55 Joe Rogan? No, the one in the, that's on the right hand side.
2:05:57 Speaker 04 I meant that larger. I get it was this.
2:05:58 Joe Rogan? Okay. Okay. That looks a little bit like a scope to me. There's something above the barrel at the, the middle point of the gun. It doesn't look flat. It looks like there might be a scope. Okay. Which is even crazier that he missed then, because this guy is shooting from a very close distance, but he probably fucking panicked. He's a 20 year old kid.
2:06:16 Speaker 01 He turns his head just at the right. It's the miraculous head turn.
2:06:20 Joe Rogan? But the thing is, that's not an expert marksman. He did train a lot though. That was the other thing. Like there's a lot of people that trained uh, in firearms with that kid. So they knew that someone either told him to do that, or he was preparing by himself to do that.
2:06:34 Speaker 01 Why has nothing come out about it? You would think.
2:06:37 Joe Rogan? Cause I think that MK Ultra shit keeps going. I think that it's like that Aerosmith song. Train kept a rollin' all night long. I think it just keeps going. I don't think they stopped. I think someone, whether it's our government or another government, or some giant business interest. Someone probably talked that kid into doing that, gave him the resources. He had five different phones.
2:07:01 Speaker 01 Oh man, you could have talked someone into doing it.
2:07:03 Joe Rogan? His entire home was professionally scrubbed.
2:07:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:07:06 Joe Rogan? There was no silverware in his home when they searched his home.
2:07:09 Speaker 01 I mean, it's weird that there wasn't more. I know there was like a guy at the golf course and there was like a third guy maybe.
2:07:14 Joe Rogan? Mm hmm.
2:07:15 Speaker 01 But the temperature in the country at that time was, no one was like actively coming out and begging. The Dems weren't coming out and saying, someone's got to kill this guy. But they were going, this is an insane threat to our freedom.
2:07:27 Joe Rogan? Not just be the Dems. This is what you have to understand. It's probably business interests. If you're in another country, okay? And this guy's actively campaigning, saying that he's gonna raise tariffs and he's gonna call you. We're gonna make China pay. We're gonna make Russia pay. Everyone's gonna pay.
2:07:47 Joe Rogan? If you're in some, you know, military controlled country that's gonna lose trillions of dollars because this guy's gonna make everybody pay.
2:07:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:07:55 Joe Rogan? You might hire someone to do something.
2:07:57 Speaker 01 Well, this is why he goes Vance immediately out. This is, well, I put together his theory. Someone else must have done it, but you pick someone who seems scarier than you, right? You go, well, if you kill me, you get him.
2:08:09 Joe Rogan? You think Vance is scary?
2:08:11 Speaker 01 I think at the time, he seemed like the furthest right protectionist candidate that Trump could have picked from on the VP list.
2:08:19 Joe Rogan? I don't think he really is, though.
2:08:21 Speaker 01 I don't know what he is.
2:08:22 Joe Rogan? He's pretty reasonable when you have a real conversation with him. He's definitely conservative. He's pretty reasonable, but he's also like a no nonsense, no bullshit guy who is not, he doesn't lack in compassion.
2:08:34 Speaker 01 But he was the, like, he was not the easiest.
2:08:38 Joe Rogan? He's young.
2:08:38 Speaker 01 Like, electorally, there were other people he could have gone with.
2:08:41 Joe Rogan? He's young, he's very religious. You know, there's a lot of aspects of that that make people uncomfortable. The young one is pretty big, you know?
2:08:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:08:48 Joe Rogan? You don't want like some young guy being the fucking president of the world.
2:08:52 Speaker 01 Well, when's the last time it was like Teddy Roosevelt? Uh, Kennedy was what? He was like late 40s?
2:08:59 Speaker 01 But he'd also been around. He was a known commodity. He'd been a senator for a long time.
2:09:02 Joe Rogan? He was handsome. He was pretty young. He didn't look like an old leader. He didn't look like Eisenhower. You know what I mean?
2:09:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:09:09 Joe Rogan? He didn't look like Ronald Reagan.
2:09:11 Speaker 01 But he was, he'd been to the war and that added, like, when you go to the, have you been to the Fredericksburg Pacific War Museum?
2:09:17 Joe Rogan? No.
2:09:17 Speaker 01 It's great. It's a two-hour drive. It's tremendous.
2:09:20 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:09:20 Speaker 01 But like, they have a, they have a mural out back for all the presidents since that war. And everyone's in World War II. Like, that's the, it's not that America's looking for an old guy. It's like, who, it's, everyone is somehow, until, like, Clinton, everyone is a World War II vet.
2:09:37 Joe Rogan? Well, you gotta think, back then, everybody signed up for the war.
2:09:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:09:42 Joe Rogan? Like.
2:09:42 Speaker 01 But generationally, America didn't want to move on from. The World War Two guys, that was like a comforting.
2:09:48 Joe Rogan? Right, but it was also World War Two was the last just war in their eyes. Like, we had to defeat the Nazis.
2:09:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:09:55 Joe Rogan? We had to stop the takeover of evil in the world. And then you got to the Vietnam War and it's like, wait, what's going on here? This is not.
2:10:04 Speaker 01 Korea seems more.
2:10:05 Joe Rogan? Korea is a little. Well, there's a lot of people that would disagree with you. You know, but Korea is also, you know, there's North Korea is fighting South Korea, North Korea is communist, South Korea.
2:10:15 Speaker 01 It doesn't have the same like, Korea doesn't occupy the same.
2:10:18 Joe Rogan? No, doesn't have the same spot in people's heads.
2:10:21 Speaker 01 And then really, it's not one war that everyone's getting behind after that.
2:10:25 Joe Rogan? No, no, there's not one. And, you know, mo- most people are reeled down on a war right now for, for good reasons. You know, it's like, are we fucking for real still doing this? You know, and this was one of the things that, that Trump campaigned on is no more wars.
2:10:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:10:43 Joe Rogan? And that scares the shit out of people, you know, because then right away we're involved in this Iran thing like, okay. But, you know.
2:10:51 Speaker 01 I'm so easily taken in that, like, I was, I was terrified. I was like, oh, I don't want there to be a war. This is terrible. And then as soon as the bombs are dropped and Trump comes out and goes, we're very strong. I'm like, oh.
2:11:02 Joe Rogan? Yeah, well.
2:11:03 Speaker 01 It's so easy to get whipped up into a fervor.
2:11:06 Joe Rogan? There's, there's some truth to that, right? And there's some truth to, maybe it wouldn't be the best thing in the world if they developed a nuclear program and had nuclear weapons and used them on Israel. But then, you know, you say, well, were they really close to doing that? Well, then you find, then you find out that Netanyahu has been saying they've been close to doing that.
2:11:22 Speaker 01 For like 15 years and Tulsi saying they have no information on it.
2:11:26 Joe Rogan? Yeah, but the thing is like, what do we know? You know, if they don't let inspectors in, what do we know?
2:11:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:11:32 Joe Rogan? You know, I could see.
2:11:33 Speaker 01 It would be good for America to have.
2:11:34 Joe Rogan? See both sides.
2:11:35 Speaker 01 To pull together over something. I found, someone sent me the, like that Reagan towards the end of his term, just kept giving speeches about how he wanted there to be an alien invasion.
2:11:44 Joe Rogan? Yes.
2:11:45 Speaker 01 And he said, if only there was some alien force that we could all get together again against the aliens.
2:11:49 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:11:50 Speaker 01 But it is, that seems like America's ready for that, some coming together. I can see that if you were in charge, you wanted to have civil unity. You would want there to be something like a war.
2:12:01 Joe Rogan? Well, the
2:12:01 Speaker 01 To pull people back together.
2:12:02 Joe Rogan? I think there's a lot of value in having no civil unity. I think there's a lot of value in keeping us at each other's throats. This is what I always try to tell people, most of us are in the middle. Most, most of us, especially after you get to a certain age, you realize, hmm, a lot of fucking things that people do. It's because, you know, they're allowed to do it and it's stupid and it fucks their life up. And maybe you should get your shit together. Also, there's a lot of poor people that need help and the idea that you're going to cut that off from them is kind of fucked up and uncharitable and un-American.
2:12:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:12:35 Joe Rogan? But also there's people that take advantage of those programs and they stay them forever. And it kind of fucks up the whole community and that's true too. Okay. So how do you set the standards and what do you do and how do you do it? But most people socially are very much in the middle. Like most people want gay rights and civil rights and women's rights and trans rights. We want rights. We want everybody to be free.
2:12:59 Speaker 01 They do love rights here.
2:13:01 Joe Rogan? But rights are important.
2:13:02 Speaker 01 You chuck, no, you just chuck the word rights on something.
2:13:04 Joe Rogan? Rights are important.
2:13:05 Speaker 01 Like people say abortion rights and then people say gun rights.
2:13:08 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:13:09 Speaker 01 Like that's how you know if the media is in favor of that thing or not. When I was coming up, if they say rights, then they go, this should be. Like abortion rights were confected in Roe v. Wade. They just, it didn't exist beforehand. They said there was a, I mean, maybe people can pass that. People can legislatively have abortion on the books, but that's not what happened. Supreme Court just said, we infer that there's a right to privacy somewhere in the constitution. We're not going to be clear about where that is. And so the judiciary can just make it happen.
2:13:38 Joe Rogan? Hmm. Well, that's how it got overturned, right?
2:13:40 Speaker 01 Yeah. Cause what can be done by the judiciary can be overturned by the judiciary. But there's heaps of stuff in America that just like the Supreme Court decided it was going to happen. No one came in, like gay marriage was just a Supreme Court. Thing, they just.
2:13:52 Joe Rogan? I think that's kind of also the will of the people. Like, most people are like, let them be married. Like, what's the problem? Like, how does that fuck with your life?
2:14:00 Speaker 01 But like California votes, votes it in and then votes it out again, right?
2:14:03 Joe Rogan? Well, here's what's hilarious. Up until 2013, Hillary Clinton was openly stating, I don't, I don't think Barack Obama.
2:14:10 Speaker 01 I think he said he was against it for the first time.
2:14:12 Joe Rogan? Yeah. I think it was 2013 where Hillary finally said she was in favor of gay marriage. But they used to always, like, have you ever seen those videos of Hillary being more MAGA than Trump?
2:14:23 Speaker 01 No.
2:14:23 Joe Rogan? About the border?
2:14:24 Speaker 01 I believe it.
2:14:25 Joe Rogan? Oh, my God. She would be Queen MAGA. She would be, she would have a diamond encrusted Make America Great Again hat. She would be the president if she was running today. And I'm not bullshitting. I am not.
2:14:36 Speaker 01 I think there was a.
2:14:37 Joe Rogan? I'm 100% not bullshitting.
2:14:38 Speaker 01 I think it's a Sam Talent bit, where, I don't know if he's still doing it, but he was going like, if Kamala had come out and said the word retarded, she would have won. That's all she had to do.
2:14:45 Joe Rogan? Nah, Sam Talent's funny.
2:14:47 Speaker 01 But he, yeah, there was, there's, I mean, the Dems were always against the. It's like the progressive wing takes over, the woke thing happens at some point, but like Biden was out saying super predators.
2:14:59 Joe Rogan? Bro, the Democrats were the ones who wanted to keep slavery.
2:15:04 Speaker 01 Some of them. The Southern Democrats, yeah.
2:15:06 Joe Rogan? But understand.
2:15:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
2:15:08 Joe Rogan? That the, the Republicans are the ones that were trying to free the slaves. It's like, things just get weird and get reversed. So now the Democrats are anti-free speech if it's hate speech.
2:15:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:15:18 Joe Rogan? And disinformation and misinformation and malinformation and woo.
2:15:22 Speaker 01 All right, this is the Castro speech that I was getting into in a big way. There's this Castro, so they ban it, the revolution takes over in Cuba. They ban a film. They haven't had to ban a film up to that point, but they banned the first film. And Castro comes and gives like a two-hour speech to the intellectuals explaining why they're going to start banning movies.
2:15:39 Joe Rogan? What was the film?
2:15:40 Speaker 01 It was called PM. It was a, it was just a film about like, poor black people having a good time. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of, uh, political content in the movie. But it gives this like, it's this long, beautiful, like. Two, three thousand words at the top going, "I'm listening to you and you're listening to me and isn't that great that we have a conversation?" And then just out of nowhere, he goes, "The revolution's in control and your freedoms are not. You don't have a right to make whatever film you want. We're gonna decide." And people are clapping and going for it, but if you like, if you take revolution and sub that out for progress or safety or anti-racism, people would totally get behind that.
2:16:15 Joe Rogan? Yes, and this is what everyone who's been sounding the horn, you know, including guys like Konstantin Kissin from Trigonometry and Jordan Peterson and people that understand the history of Marxism. They're like, "This is how it always comes. It comes in the guise of doing the greater good for the people and letting the state control things. This is what happened in North Korea. That's how they all lost their farms."
2:16:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:16:37 Joe Rogan? Yeah. They come in and then they, it's centralized power and then everybody has to shut the fuck up because that's how people operate.
2:16:43 Speaker 01 I think from a, like, if you have a materialist worldview of the universe, that makes sense. I can see how you would, you would get there. Like, it's a weird thing to say, "God has given you a right to express yourself and to hang out with who you want." This is like a, this is, this is why it has to be in the, what is it? It's either in the Declaration or the Constitution, but like, these are God-given rights and they're self-evident.
2:17:03 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:17:03 Speaker 01 Because you would, if you were designing a utopia, which is what every revolutionary wants to do, you're saying, "We're fixing society. We're fixing human nature."
2:17:10 Joe Rogan? Right.
2:17:11 Speaker 01 There's nothing that would intrinsically make you say, "People have a right to say whatever they want." Like, that has to come from somewhere. That's like a, that's a weird, it's beautiful. I love it.
2:17:21 Joe Rogan? It has to come from suppression. I try to live my- It comes from being under the brutal heel of a dictator for the entire country.
2:17:27 Speaker 01 But then as soon as they have a revolution, they take that away. You know, you use the weapon of your master. The revolutionaries, having been under Batista and repressed, are not allowed to say what they want. They come to power and they go, "Yeah, we're gonna be doing that now." That's what the guy in power gets to do. But to say, "The state is ceding that," this is like a beautiful, strange, mystical, outside world thing.
2:17:46 Joe Rogan? Yes, this is, but isn't there a difference between taking over an existing country like Cuba that had been around for a long time?
2:17:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:17:52 Joe Rogan? That communist regime taking over versus the establishment of a place like the United States, which is an exercise- Like an experiment, really, in self-government that never been achieved before. And it's not a coincidence that it's the newest country in terms of like superpowers. And yet it's the one that's achieved the most in terms of cultural impact, artistic impact, intellectual impact. It's a hard argument that United States hasn't achieved more than anybody. I mean, the fucking nuclear bomb was created here, you know, shut your mouth, right? Allegedly, we went to the moon. I don't think we did, but allegedly.
2:18:26 Speaker 01 Are you back on the moon?
2:18:29 Joe Rogan? Um, but, you know, also a lot of assassinations, a lot of like overturning governments in other countries. A lot, a lot of shit.
2:18:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:18:36 Joe Rogan? It's not good, but the point is like this is the most free place and the most shit gets done.
2:18:42 Speaker 01 Yee, I mean, I don't disagree with that at all.
2:18:46 Joe Rogan? And I think this is the progress that the human civilization goes through. It realizes that suppression ultimately is bad for everybody. It's bad for GDP, bad for like, it's bad for patriotism, it's bad for everything.
2:18:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:18:59 Joe Rogan? It's bad for people's appreciation of each other. It's, it's hard to govern when people are fucking angry and, and then the break off civilizations always seek more freedom.
2:19:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:19:10 Joe Rogan? You know, I think we gotta try one more time with Greenland.
2:19:14 Speaker 01 Give it a go.
2:19:14 Joe Rogan? I think if Trump takes Greenland and global warming is real, that's the spot.
2:19:20 Speaker 01 Well, Canada might have to become a state and then there's a lot of good land up there.
2:19:23 Joe Rogan? I have a friend who went up to Greenland and went stag hunting or caribou hunting. They hunt caribou in Greenland. It was beautiful, man. The area they were at was fucking gorgeous. It was incredible. It's like these, these insane hills and these herd of caribou come through. And there's just so many caribou, it's so beautiful.
2:19:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:19:43 Joe Rogan? It's so clean, they're just, they're camping, they're sleeping on the ground. No fucking.
2:19:48 Speaker 01 Get a freeway and a Chick-fil-A.
2:19:49 Joe Rogan? You ever have caribou?
2:19:50 Speaker 01 No, I can't compete with Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A is very.
2:19:53 Joe Rogan? You don't know what you're talking about.
2:19:54 Speaker 01 I don't know, I've never had caribou. Oh, I want to go back, this thing of like, yeah, America's done a great deal and it's very free. But they're like, the rate of change in the culture is also unparalleled. Like you look at the Egyptians and they're doing the same pictures for thousands of years. The feet all point in the same way and we don't mess with the artistic style. We like the medieval era, there's like a, there's a homogeneity through time and a culture that gets passed on. If you look at America over the last. Seventy years, it's wacky. Like, ah, a couple nights ago, I was, I was watching like the number one song in America consecutively on YouTube. So like they play twenty seconds from that number one song and then the next number one song. And early on, it's all like guys in suits going, my baby, she's so beautiful, I love her, I'm going to take her to a dance.
2:20:38 Speaker 01 And then by the end, it's like, you know, I'm a fist your ass and kill someone with my rifle. Like it's, there's a huge shift. It's got like all the institutions are ostensibly the same, the way people vote, the way people go to school. The actual culture that's inhabiting all those things is like radically changing all the time.
2:20:57 Joe Rogan? All the time, yeah. And there's a bunch of different factors, right? So you have the nineteen fifties factor, you know, which was like Elvis on television and Buddy Holly and all these people.
2:21:08 Speaker 01 Then the drugs come in.
2:21:09 Joe Rogan? And then the drugs come in. And so they were probably doing drugs back then too, but just probably not the good ones. And then the nineteen sixties psychedelics. So the nineteen sixties, you get Hendrix, you know, you get the Doors, you get.
2:21:20 Speaker 01 Oh, when the Doors come through, when the Beatles and the Doors and the Stones come through, it's like here are the first cool people ever.
2:21:25 Joe Rogan? First cool people ever. And so then that all dries up when they pass the laws in the nineteen seventies through the Nixon administration to kill the civil rights movement and to kill the anti-war movement, to make everything illegal. Then you get the cocaine era. So cocaine ruins music. The nineteen eighties was like, there's some great music in the eighties, but there's also.
2:21:44 Speaker 01 Tusk is a great album.
2:21:45 Joe Rogan? There's a lot of horseshit in the eighties too. There's still brilliant artists, there's always gonna be brilliant artists. But there's a lack of that psychedelic progression, that Hendrix style.
2:21:54 Speaker 01 David Bowie definitely shifts into a weird.
2:21:56 Joe Rogan? Everything gets weird, everything gets weird.
2:21:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:21:58 Joe Rogan? And.
2:21:58 Speaker 01 But by the eighties, late eighties, they figured it out. They figured out how to appropriate the counterculture thing and put a corporate look on it.
2:22:05 Joe Rogan? Well, it was cocaine. They, they, they killed, they killed the psychedelics and it entered into an area of cocaine. Like you see movies get real weird, like a lot of movies are like, like real stupid and like they don't make any sense, they're dumb as shit. And then you go back to like nineteen sixty-three and you see The Hustler and you say, well, okay, why were they so good back then? And why, why were so many of these movies so shit?
2:22:28 Speaker 01 Late twenties.
2:22:29 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:22:29 Speaker 01 Early Frank Capra just watches like a normal modern film.
2:22:33 Joe Rogan? Yeah, there's some great movies, man.
2:22:34 Speaker 01 But when you started comedy, was this early nineties?
2:22:37 Joe Rogan? Eighty-eight.
2:22:38 Speaker 01 Eighty-eight. So you, there would have been. A period like it seems like cocaine was big in American comedy circles for a time.
2:22:44 Joe Rogan? It was big back then.
2:22:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, but it disappeared at a certain.
2:22:48 Joe Rogan? It doesn't disappear everywhere. There's some places that are still, they love the coke.
2:22:51 Speaker 01 I don't run into active drug addicts very often.
2:22:55 Joe Rogan? Well, comics burn out. They don't last. The weed comics last. The fucking coke comics don't last.
2:23:02 Speaker 01 Heroin people keep going.
2:23:03 Joe Rogan? Well, until they don't.
2:23:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, but the Red Hot Chili Peppers look great. They've been preserved.
2:23:08 Joe Rogan? I think they're clean. I think they're clean for a long time.
2:23:10 Speaker 01 I think they dipped back in from time to.
2:23:12 Joe Rogan? You think so?
2:23:12 Speaker 01 I don't know. I think after By the Way, I think they, but they were a heroin band for ages.
2:23:16 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:23:17 Speaker 01 Iggy Pop, I don't know if he's still on heroin, but he's looking.
2:23:20 Joe Rogan? Oh, he's terrible. Poor Iggy. He looks so.
2:23:22 Speaker 01 But he looked that way thirty years ago. He's like Alan Skuppi. He looked like a weird old man.
2:23:26 Joe Rogan? But he looked old thirty years ago, but he had like, he was lean and he'd move around on stage with his shirt off, but now he looks like he could barely walk. Yeah, it's like something's wrong with his hip.
2:23:35 Speaker 01 Did you see the ACDC one that was like last week?
2:23:38 Joe Rogan? You gotta see Iggy Pop first.
2:23:40 Speaker 01 How bad? I saw Iggy Pop like ten years ago and he was great.
2:23:42 Joe Rogan? He's great. No, dude, I, I.
2:23:44 Speaker 01 I had to kick a woman in a mush pit. I was, he was dragging, he was saying, come on stage, everybody.
2:23:49 Joe Rogan? One of my favorite green room songs is Passenger.
2:23:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:23:52 Joe Rogan? Fucking great song, man.
2:23:54 Speaker 01 After the show? I couldn't listen to Passenger before a show. It'd be too sad.
2:23:58 Joe Rogan? Really?
2:23:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:23:58 Joe Rogan? I'm riding on a rock. I'm a passenger.
2:24:03 Speaker 01 What's he look like now? Is he, is this twenty twenty three?
2:24:05 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:24:06 Speaker 01 He still looks good in the face?
2:24:07 Joe Rogan? No, no, like he's still killing it. It's just he has a hard time getting around. It looks like there's something wrong with his, see like his hips.
2:24:13 Speaker 01 It does look like he's got spina bifida now.
2:24:15 Joe Rogan? I think he's got something wrong with his hip or something, which is super common, especially for performers who dance around on stage a lot and go crazy. Yeah.
2:24:24 Speaker 01 Oh.
2:24:25 Joe Rogan? Yeah, see?
2:24:25 Speaker 01 Oh.
2:24:26 Joe Rogan? So he's having a hard time moving. Still killing it, but like, let me hear some of that.
2:24:31 Speaker 01 Check out, after that, bring up the ACDC at the moment. It's very.
2:24:41 Speaker 01 Okay, he's very old.
2:24:51 Joe Rogan? It's just.
2:24:51 Speaker 01 He's still got something.
2:24:52 Joe Rogan? He's got it. He's still Iggy Pop, but his body's struggling. And like, I know a lot of guys, like Ted Nugent had to get both his knees replaced because he was jumping off amplifiers.
2:25:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:25:02 Joe Rogan? Um, Maynard from Tool, he had to get his hip replaced. His hip was fucked up.
2:25:07 Speaker 01 That's why Neil Diamond had the right plan. Just stand there, just sing your beautiful songs. You can do that forever.
2:25:12 Joe Rogan? Yeah, it's a good move.
2:25:14 Speaker 01 Uh, no, they all get.
2:25:15 Joe Rogan? It's hard, man. You're bouncing around on a stage all the time, stomping the ground like Anthony Kiedis, his knee's all fucked up, man.
2:25:21 Speaker 01 Ah.
2:25:22 Joe Rogan? He like, I, I went to see them.
2:25:23 Speaker 01 Still looks great.
2:25:24 Joe Rogan? He's great. He killed it. We went to see the Chili Peppers when they were in town and then afterwards he's got an ISIS knee up real bad. You know, he's still on stage though, you don't notice it, he goes ham.
2:25:34 Speaker 01 They don't like the Chili Peppers. I distrust them immediately.
2:25:37 Joe Rogan? Suck My Kiss is a fucking great song.
2:25:39 Speaker 01 That whole album is start to finish.
2:25:40 Speaker 04 I found a different video of them, ACDC this year. It's, I think that one video we saw is just kind of weird thing.
2:25:46 Speaker 01 All right. There was one, he looks okay on this one.
2:25:50 Joe Rogan? It's 2025.
2:25:51 Speaker 04 Yeah. There was a viral video going around where they looked a little slow and.
2:25:56 Speaker 01 Nah, he's still got it. I take it back.
2:25:58 Speaker 04 Yep.
2:26:01 Speaker 01 But this is, I mean, if you were a classical composer, you just get to be old and wear your big powdered wig and keep riding till you're 80. As a rock star, a big part of it is that you're physically threatening and that women want to have sex with you, right? Like this is, this is part.
2:26:14 Joe Rogan? Have you seen, um, Mick Jagger's girlfriend?
2:26:16 Speaker 01 Uh, yes. She's a beautiful baby. She's so hot. She's so hot. She's so hot.
2:26:23 Joe Rogan? And she's like 30 or something like that. And he's 2000?
2:26:27 Speaker 01 I got to meet Al Pacino's baby mama.
2:26:29 Joe Rogan? But, but you gotta see the pictures of Mick with the girl.
2:26:32 Speaker 01 With the lady?
2:26:33 Joe Rogan? Look at this.
2:26:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, this is the one.
2:26:34 Joe Rogan? What's that?
2:26:35 Speaker 01 This is the one that went viral.
2:26:38 Joe Rogan? But he's just stomping on stage, singing.
2:26:40 Speaker 01 It's the way he's saying oi.
2:26:41 Speaker 04 Wow.
2:26:43 Joe Rogan? Let me hear it.
2:26:50 Joe Rogan? ACDC urged to retire after recent concert footage goes viral. Assholes. We hear this.
2:27:02 Speaker 01 He does seem tired. I don't think he should have to retire, but.
2:27:06 Speaker 04 Probably still play a long set. He probably is doing alright.
2:27:09 Speaker 01 That's our greatest export.
2:27:12 Speaker 01 That's for sure. We've never done anything that great before since.
2:27:15 Joe Rogan? Listen, guys get old. It's hard to come up with the full power always when you hit that age. But what was the point? Oh, Mick Jagger and his new girlfriend.
2:27:24 Speaker 01 His fly honey?
2:27:25 Joe Rogan? Oh, she's so hot. And he's at least a million years old.
2:27:29 Speaker 01 He.
2:27:30 Joe Rogan? How old is he?
2:27:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, I got to see him like 10 years ago and he seemed old then, but he was still grooving.
2:27:33 Joe Rogan? Oh dude, I saw him in town as well. I saw him at the Circuit of the Americas. They did this gigantic outdoor concert. It was fucking incredible. Look at her. Bam, son. What's up now? Dude, she's so hot.
2:27:49 Joe Rogan? And she's like, I can't believe I'm with Mick Jagger. That's what talent does.
2:27:52 Speaker 01 He seems happy as well. He seems thrilled.
2:27:54 Joe Rogan? I would imagine that would make you happy.
2:27:58 Speaker 01 I mean, yeah, but then she's talking about her young woman things and you just want to read the Financial Times in peace and.
2:28:03 Joe Rogan? I don't know, man. Maybe, maybe that's why he's so good still. Maybe he stays young.
2:28:08 Speaker 01 He's still hip to the earth.
2:28:08 Joe Rogan? They fucking killed it, man. They killed it at Coda, Al Pacino.
2:28:11 Speaker 01 I, she was backstage and I.
2:28:13 Speaker 04 Another kid.
2:28:14 Joe Rogan? It's got another one?
2:28:15 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:28:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:28:15 Joe Rogan? Another one?
2:28:16 Speaker 01 I got dragged away when I met her because people thought I was gonna ask weird stuff.
2:28:19 Joe Rogan? So this is a new gal?
2:28:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:28:21 Joe Rogan? Oh, boy. He's 85. Holy smokes.
2:28:25 Speaker 01 He still looks good.
2:28:28 Joe Rogan? What do you want me to do?
2:28:30 Speaker 01 She's got a great ass. I mean.
2:28:31 Joe Rogan? Wow, she's hot.
2:28:34 Speaker 01 It does start to look like yours. Oh, they split. I think that's the one I met.
2:28:37 Joe Rogan? That was the one that he split with, but he's got another one.
2:28:41 Joe Rogan? Wow.
2:28:43 Joe Rogan? Good for him.
2:28:44 Speaker 01 He loves breeding. He's still out there doing it.
2:28:45 Joe Rogan? Listen, don't give Elon shit. Don't give him shit.
2:28:49 Speaker 01 I just like it done the old fashioned way. I like the Genghis Khan rooting his way across the step. I'm, I fear, also like Elon's in pub, he's one of the only billionaires who allows himself to be seen and judged and thought about. But if we had a list of the top hundred richest people in the world, we would know eight of them. Like these are the hidden figures who are doing that. That's what I fear.
2:29:11 Joe Rogan? Well, the real richest people in the world are probably the oil billionaires. Yeah, because they don't even have to tell you how much money they have.
2:29:18 Speaker 01 Yeah. Once they're building an ice, what?
2:29:24 Speaker 01 Tobogganing room in the desert.
2:29:28 Joe Rogan? Bro, they, they're building that, that, the line. Have you seen that? Like enormous city?
2:29:33 Speaker 01 That's gonna be nice.
2:29:35 Joe Rogan? Maybe it will be. They have so much money, they can make it nice.
2:29:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:29:38 Joe Rogan? Look what they did in Dubai. You ever see those time lapse photos of Dubai?
2:29:41 Speaker 01 But they didn't even put, you can't even go to the toilet in that, in the Burj Khalifa.
2:29:46 Joe Rogan? What do you mean?
2:29:47 Speaker 01 They didn't put like, it's so big, they couldn't get plumbing to work it. So they have like trucks come along and pick up the poo from downstairs every day and have to drive it out. Like it seems like a fake.
2:29:58 Joe Rogan? Well, that's an error. Somebody needs to be fired. Somebody's probably killed.
2:30:01 Speaker 01 Someone has, uh, has been quietly chopped into pieces.
2:30:04 Joe Rogan? Oh, 100%, right?
2:30:05 Speaker 01 They've got.
2:30:06 Joe Rogan? Cause how are you gonna fix that? The Burj Khalifa is like, how many stories?
2:30:10 Speaker 01 It's too big.
2:30:11 Joe Rogan? And it's all buckets of shit being carried out?
2:30:13 Speaker 01 I believe, I could be getting that wrong, but someone told me that they have like semi-trailers that come by in the morning.
2:30:18 Joe Rogan? This is an old hoax.
2:30:18 Speaker 01 Is it a hoax? I take it back. I got one wrong. I was right about the foot binding. I was right about.
2:30:23 Joe Rogan? We should probably edit that out so they don't kill you.
2:30:25 Speaker 01 No, it's, hey, I, no, I love the Kingdom of Saud. I'm a big fan. I could be got on Compromat so easily. Send me a new car. I'll say great things about the regime. No one has come to me, not even someone selling dick pills or nothing. I wanna get to that level.
2:30:43 Joe Rogan? It's coming.
2:30:44 Speaker 01 It's a, I don't see, I.
2:30:47 Joe Rogan? Come on, bro. More, more appearances like this and it'll all happen.
2:30:50 Speaker 01 I'd be doing gamble, I'd be doing DraftKings.
2:30:53 Joe Rogan? Yeah, there you go.
2:30:54 Speaker 01 And I think I could, I'm trying to figure out what companies I would have on my podcast and wouldn't, but.
2:31:00 Joe Rogan? Do you gamble at all?
2:31:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I don't like the companies. I like, you know.
2:31:05 Joe Rogan? Regular gambling?
2:31:06 Speaker 01 Regular, oh, but yeah, money for this. It's ruined footy in Australia.
2:31:10 Joe Rogan? Oh, has it?
2:31:11 Speaker 01 I think we're the, now, I will, I will be right on this, where Australia's the highest per capita gambling losses in the world.
2:31:16 Joe Rogan? Wow.
2:31:16 Speaker 01 And it's, we've been beat Singapore. We shouldn't be beaten the Asian countries. Asians should have gambling down pat.
2:31:21 Joe Rogan? Is that because you don't have freedom in any other place, so you went crazy?
2:31:24 Speaker 01 I think so. I think everything is so safe that it's like, I've got to lose everything on this.
2:31:28 Joe Rogan? You go crazy on that one thing, the gambling thing?
2:31:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, cause booze is expensive and, but then, the way that they advertise on, you, you, you always have to see the line. You can't watch a game of football with someone, cause they go, they don't just want their team to win anymore. They want like, this guy to get twenty seven disposals and the second goal of the game. It's like, just, I want to watch footy, but gambling is very exciting.
2:31:50 Joe Rogan? Yeah, there's a thing like that in MMA too, you know, it's a, it's a big factor in MMA.
2:31:55 Speaker 01 I think like, if your guy gets, you know, he wins, but by submission, then you're upset, cause you didn't knock the other guy out and you lost money.
2:32:00 Joe Rogan? There's like the Drake thing too, cause Drake spent, he, he bets like
2:32:04 Speaker 01 The rapper Drake?
2:32:05 Joe Rogan? Big money on the UFC and, did he bet on Charles Olivera or Iliaport Poria?
2:32:12 Speaker 01 That was nutty.
2:32:13 Joe Rogan? Oh my god.
2:32:14 Speaker 01 I watched that. Also, it was, uh, that was the first one of those I've watched since I met you.
2:32:18 Speaker 04 He bet two hundred grand on Charles.
2:32:19 Joe Rogan? Yeah, see, that's, they call it the Drake curse.
2:32:21 Speaker 04 Yeah, there's a website that
2:32:22 Speaker 01 Whoever he bets on goes down.
2:32:24 Joe Rogan? Yeah, Drake's UFC betting history, returned zero dollars. Um, who is he?
2:32:31 Speaker 04 Well, he's not cursed when it comes to UFC overall, though. He's up a million bucks.
2:32:34 Joe Rogan? Oh, all time from his public UFC bets, from his public ones, over twenty five bets, he's wagered thirteen point four five million dollars, returning fourteen point four eight.
2:32:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, but everyone knows that guy.
2:32:44 Joe Rogan? He's won ten out of those twenty five bets, losing fifteen times.
2:32:48 Speaker 01 You go public when you win.
2:32:49 Joe Rogan? Interesting.
2:32:50 Speaker 01 It's a guy who comes back to the office on Monday and goes, I had a big win on horses.
2:32:54 Joe Rogan? He's only won forty percent of the time. His average UFC bet size is five hundred and thirty eight K. That's interesting though, because he's only won forty percent of the time. He just bets big when he's sure. And so he's ahead. His biggest single loss was Adesanya to beat Alex Pereira in twenty-two, the one that Pereira won, the first one. Single bet victory was Jon Jones over Cyril Gahn. Successfully predicting Jon Jones to win by submission. Interesting.
2:33:28 Speaker 01 Hold on, but this is a whole website dedicated to it. He could have set this up.
2:33:32 Joe Rogan? No, no, it's commonly known.
2:33:34 Speaker 01 He's betting on cricket.
2:33:35 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:33:36 Speaker 01 Why is he betting on cricket?
2:33:37 Joe Rogan? He likes to bet, dude. He's rich as fuck. He gets his jollies off, like throwing large numbers and stuff.
2:33:43 Speaker 04 He's made three bets on cricket, returning two point six five mil.
2:33:46 Joe Rogan? So he's ahead.
2:33:46 Speaker 04 He's three for three.
2:33:48 Joe Rogan? So he knows what he's doing.
2:33:49 Speaker 04 There you go.
2:33:50 Joe Rogan? He's making money.
2:33:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, but you always bet on the Royals in the cricket.
2:33:54 Joe Rogan? Well, if you're gonna bet, though, betting on sports where you actually know the game, that's a smart thing to bet on. Like, I bet if I bet on fighting, I bet I'd be right sixty percent of the time.
2:34:06 Speaker 01 You'd be, there'd be a, you'd have a deal where they'd say, "Don't you dare."
2:34:10 Joe Rogan? Oh, no, you can't. The UFC won't let you. But that was only recent, man. That was recent because there was an accusation that one of the trainers had been posting on some website and that they knew that this guy was injured and the guy lost in the first round and there's a bunch of money.
2:34:27 Speaker 01 That's not.
2:34:27 Joe Rogan? On him losing in the first round because he had a blown out knee.
2:34:30 Speaker 01 I think there was a footy player in Australia who was betting on himself to kick goals. Which was like, not like you have to, he was backing himself and it was like fifteen dollars or something. It was very small. But he just.
2:34:39 Joe Rogan? He got in trouble for that?
2:34:40 Speaker 01 He got in trouble for that, even though like.
2:34:42 Joe Rogan? He's betting on himself.
2:34:42 Speaker 01 He's betting on himself to do well.
2:34:44 Joe Rogan? I think if you bet on yourself to win, that should be legal.
2:34:46 Speaker 01 It seems, I bet on the Eurovision Song Contest. That's my go-to.
2:34:50 Joe Rogan? Fighters have made like personal bets with each other. Like, I'll bet you the entire purse. Yeah, that's, that's, it makes it more exciting.
2:34:56 Speaker 01 Yeah. But there's definitely room for, if, if, if there's room for someone to throw it, that's an issue.
2:35:01 Joe Rogan? That is an issue. That's an issue with fights.
2:35:03 Speaker 01 Eurovision is a good bear.
2:35:04 Joe Rogan? If you found out that a fighter bet against himself, like, oh, god. Or the trainer bet against the fighter, which has happened before. That has happened before. It was like anonymous back in the day, like in the old boxing days, like people could throw fights and you know,
2:35:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:35:19 Joe Rogan? That shit happened all the time.
2:35:20 Speaker 01 Uh, was it on the waterfront? That's why.
2:35:23 Joe Rogan? Yep, yep, yep, yep, Milan Brando. Yeah. That also, um, that, that is 100% happened in MMA, especially in Japan. In Japan, in the early days, there was a lot of fixed fights and you could kind of tell some of them, you watch them, you're like, oh my God, it's fixed. But it was to be like, because a lot of the Japanese stars originally in Pride came from the world of pro wrestling.
2:35:44 Speaker 01 Yes.
2:35:44 Joe Rogan? Where they had determined outcomes.
2:35:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:35:46 Joe Rogan? And so some of these guys were stars and there's a few fights that they had as stars where it was a fixed fight.
2:35:51 Speaker 01 But like that, that Logan Paul, uh, Mike Tyson fight.
2:35:55 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:35:55 Speaker 01 He could have knocked him out earlier and clearly was choosing not to. I mean, he bows to him at the end.
2:36:01 Joe Rogan? It seemed to me like sparring.
2:36:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:36:04 Joe Rogan? When I watched it, which, you know, look, I paid for it. They got me. I thought it was going to be a real fight, but I'm not mad. Because I'm just happy that Mike Tyson made a ton of money.
2:36:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:36:14 Joe Rogan? And I'm happy for Jake Paul that he made it. And, and look, if he decided not to try to hurt Mike Tyson at 58 years old.
2:36:20 Speaker 01 Sure. But there's some guy out there who had a
2:36:22 Joe Rogan? Yeah, yeah.
2:36:23 Speaker 01 A million dollars on Paul.
2:36:23 Joe Rogan? That's the problem. That's why, look, maybe it was a real fight. Maybe that's just the level that they both fight at. Hmm.
2:36:30 Joe Rogan? But, you know, it seemed, it seemed a little sus, you know?
2:36:34 Speaker 01 It was, I mean, also we watched that in the green room, I think, and we couldn't get it, couldn't get it going.
2:36:39 Joe Rogan? Yeah. But I think that, you know, at the end of the day, it's okay. It doesn't bother me. It's a different, that's a different situation than someone like Terrence Crawford fighting Canelo Alvarez. And I don't think that that fight's legit. If I saw that and I didn't think it was legit, I'd be furious. It's like, you guys are in your prime. These are the best fighters on planet earth. We finally going to get to see you guys box.
2:37:00 Speaker 01 And then they.
2:37:01 Joe Rogan? And you threw a fight, but that's not what's going on, you know? Mike Tyson, Jake Paul was the most heavily wagered fight in years. Okay, that's a problem. That makes it a problem. Um, my opinion is, I just want to say in case someone calls me into court, um, I'm a fucking idiot and I don't know nothing. And don't take my advice.
2:37:19 Speaker 01 I love the Saudis.
2:37:20 Joe Rogan? Don't take my opinion.
2:37:21 Speaker 01 I love the Israeli government. I love everybody.
2:37:23 Joe Rogan? That had nothing to do with them. That was Jake Paul promoting it, you know? It's just like, doesn't, doesn't bother me.
2:37:28 Speaker 01 There's compromising the sport and that's like bad. It's just like
2:37:32 Joe Rogan? If I bet on it, it would bother the fuck out of me.
2:37:33 Speaker 01 Watching it with people who have, who are so in on, and then also the cut like. Man, the sports betting apps, they've like, they introduced like chat apps in them in Australia. So it's like, they're trying to take the place of social media companies where you go together and you meet your friends. Like betting should be exciting enough without having a weird.
2:37:50 Joe Rogan? They're just trying to draw you in. They're just trying to make money, right? So they're trying to draw you in any way they can.
2:37:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:37:55 Joe Rogan? Yeah. When I was first starting to work for the UFC, I bet. I bet a bunch of times. Because, and then I thought like, I probably shouldn't do this. But I couldn't, I was think, I was justifying in my head, I was like, I can't affect the outcome.
2:38:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:38:09 Joe Rogan? There was no rule.
2:38:11 Speaker 01 It doesn't matter how you're calling it, it's not gonna.
2:38:12 Joe Rogan? I'm not gonna change. And also, like, I like the fights and I'm not gonna bet that much anyway. But then my business partner, Onnit and I, Aubrey, he, he would bet on things I would tell him to bet on. He was up like 80% at one time.
2:38:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:38:26 Joe Rogan? Because in the early days, like in the early like 2000s-ish, when they're bringing in guys from like Japan and Russia, there was a lot of dudes that I knew about that the bookmakers didn't know about.
2:38:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:38:39 Joe Rogan? You know, like, where like, like when Anderson Silva came over to America, I was like, bet the house.
2:38:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:38:45 Joe Rogan? Bet everything on Anderson. I mean, bet everything. Cause Chris Leibin, who's a great fighter, is tailor-made for that style. And Anderson is one of the nastiest strikers that's ever competed in the sport. He's so good and so accurate and he just ran through Chris Leibin in the first round. I was like, called it. Cause there's certain fights where you go like, this guy's special, like Ilija Toporia. Like if Ilija Toporia is fighting a regular guy, like, bet the house.
2:39:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:39:12 Joe Rogan? On the Spaniard. Bet the house. Like that guy's special. There's like, when Alex Pereira first came to the UFC, I was telling everybody, bet the house on the Brazilian. I'm like, if he touches you, you go into orbit.
2:39:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:39:24 Joe Rogan? Like, he's just different. This is a different guy.
2:39:27 Speaker 01 And you just have to know about that before the bookies.
2:39:28 Joe Rogan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but people knew about Pereira sort of, but they didn't have a lot of evidence of him being that good in MMA. They had one fight in the LFA, there was another fight before that where he lost by submission. I think maybe he had one other win, but it was the kickboxing. So I'm a big kickboxing fan. And in kickboxing, he was a two-division world champion in Glory, which is like the, the elite kickboxing league. But the thing wasn't that he was winning, it was how he was winning.
2:39:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:39:56 Joe Rogan? He was flatlining people.
2:39:58 Speaker 01 But you have to have actually watched the fight.
2:40:00 Joe Rogan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd have to wa- you also be able to critically analyze his movements. They're just different. He's just doing something, he moves different than people. And the, the, the way, when he hits guys, it's like, holy shit, man.
2:40:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:40:14 Joe Rogan? They can all knock each other out. They're all elite fighters.
2:40:17 Speaker 01 I mean, the last, I watched that Olivera fight and so I was, we were with Nate, Nate's team in, uh, in San Jose. Someone says, this man's, the man who knocked him out, he's like, his punches incredible. No one knows this. Like, within the, they were all saying like, this isn't easy and Olivera's gonna lose. Cause of this man's, and then when he hits him in the head, you go, cause he knocks him out on the first punch and then catches him on the second and hits him twice after that. But it's like, if you're just, I don't know about fighting and then watching that, I couldn't believe he was knocked out from, it didn't look like it should have had that impact.
2:40:50 Joe Rogan? Oh, it should, for sure. Yeah. When you watch the punch being delivered in slow motion, it looks everything like a knockout punch. He throws his punches with so much conviction. There's so much torque and they're so perfect.
2:41:03 Speaker 01 Like his whole body weight is coming in.
2:41:04 Joe Rogan? It's the, the coordination of the mechanics of his movements. It's like, that's a big part of, he also has very big fists. But that's a big part, especially for 145 and even in 155, like he's undersized compared to like guys like Roofy who's like 6'2", it's like some elite guys that are big in that weight class, but the way he delivers his punches, it's like you just can't get hit by him, man. He's got so much commitment and so, the, the timing is so perfect. When he went blam with that right hand, that had everything on it. No one's eaten that shot. No one, no one. He's got the, what Farah Sahabi likes to call the touch of death.
2:41:46 Joe Rogan? It's the perfect name for it, because like he hits guys, they're just done, man, they're done.
2:41:50 Speaker 01 That seems spooky.
2:41:52 Joe Rogan? He's got the greatest three fight win streak in the history of the sport. He knocks out Alexander Volkanovski, Max Holloway, and then Charles Olivera. It's the greatest three fight win streak in the history of the sport.
2:42:05 Speaker 01 And Volkanovski is currently the champ, so he'll
2:42:07 Joe Rogan? He is now, he is now, he came back. But that's at 45, though.
2:42:10 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:42:11 Joe Rogan? So he went up to 55. So Volkanovski is the champ because he abandoned the belt at 45 because he wanted to pursue the belt at 55. He didn't want to make weight at Ilya, didn't want to make 145 anymore. So it felt like it's too draining
2:42:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:42:23 Joe Rogan? for his body and he'd be even better at 55. Turns out he was right. He's even better at 55. Like, Charles Olivera is really good, man, really good. For him to starch him like that with essentially one punch is extraordinary. But he called it, which is even crazier.
2:42:41 Speaker 01 He said, "I'm gonna knock him out with one punch."
2:42:42 Joe Rogan? He's gonna knock him out in the first round. And he also, he had a celebration for his victory the night before the fight. So they went to a restaurant, he's standing on a bench, they're cheering.
2:42:51 Speaker 01 That is cool.
2:42:53 Joe Rogan? It worked. I mean, listen, if you're that good.
2:42:55 Speaker 01 And he's gonna fight the Scouser? The Scouser kept saying
2:42:59 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:43:00 Speaker 01 Scouser kept going, "I want him." And then next to him, they're going like, "He thinks he wants him, he doesn't want him."
2:43:04 Joe Rogan? It'll probably happen eventually, because they hate each other, and it'd be very marketable. I don't know if it's gonna happen next.
2:43:09 Speaker 01 This is my first year of following it, I'm starting that. My brother watches it a lot.
2:43:13 Joe Rogan? There's a lot of really good guys at 155, though. If you wanted to look, if you wanted to do it according to, like, who deserves the shot, it would be, in my mind, it would be either Justin Gagey, who is a very compelling argument for deserving the shot. He was the interim champion, beat the shit, he essentially like changed the progression of Tony Ferguson's career.
2:43:36 Joe Rogan? Like that one.
2:43:37 Speaker 01 Just by knocking him out?
2:43:38 Joe Rogan? Just beat him down.
2:43:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:43:40 Joe Rogan? It was a brutal, brutal fight. And then, you know, I mean, he's got so many victories. He just beat Fazev again after getting knocked out by Holloway. He's one of the best of the best. And, you know, he's fought for the title before. He fought, uh, he fought, um, uh, Khabib. Like, he's fucking really good, man.
2:43:59 Speaker 01 But what would stop him?
2:44:00 Joe Rogan? And he's a big star and he also deserves it. The other guy would be Armon Sarukyan. Armon Sarukyan was supposed to fight Islam for the title, but got a back injury supposedly during, because of the weight cut. He had a particularly brutal weight cut and his back locked up to the point where he couldn't even fucking move. And so they had to call the fight.
2:44:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:44:17 Joe Rogan? And so then they brought in Hanato Moikano and he fought for the title, like last minute replacement. So Sarukyan is elite. He's as good as it gets and he could be a world champion. And so if, if I wanted to do it according to not marketability, but rather like who deserves it, it would be either Gagey or Sarukyan.
2:44:37 Speaker 01 Is it, how often does that come into it as opposed to the marketability?
2:44:40 Joe Rogan? I don't, I don't do that, man.
2:44:41 Speaker 01 No.
2:44:41 Joe Rogan? That's the thing. It's like, I'm not involved. I, I would not be the right guy for the business.
2:44:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:44:47 Joe Rogan? Cause like, I would, I would, I'm kind of a purist. I feel like if you're the number one contender, you get the shot.
2:44:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:44:52 Joe Rogan? That's how I feel. But I also don't know if I agree who the number one contender is all the time. I think like that should be up for debate. Like it's very subjective, like who decides, like what victories count for more?
2:45:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:45:05 Joe Rogan? Or who'd be more compelling to fight for the title, who deserves it? Like some guys have to fight a ton of guys. And then other guys like Pereira, he got a shot at Adesanya, like just a few fights in.
2:45:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. But this is what then kills. This hurts boxing is when like you have a champ who just repeatedly takes on people that they can walk over to extend.
2:45:25 Joe Rogan? There's a little bit of that.
2:45:26 Speaker 01 Victory, but because of the UFC is all.
2:45:27 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:45:28 Speaker 01 It's one thing.
2:45:29 Joe Rogan? The UFC makes you fight the big fights. And if you don't want to fight the big fights, like John Jones didn't want to fight Tom Aspinall, like then.
2:45:36 Speaker 01 They can strip him?
2:45:37 Joe Rogan? Well, he didn't, didn't strip him. John just retired. But I think John just decided to retire legitimately. I think he's, you know, he's partying a lot and he had a long career and he's the greatest of all time. Like at a certain point in time, you have to say enough. And at 37 as the heavyweight champion, retiring undefeated, that's probably a good move. You know, he's got one loss, but it's a bullshit.
2:45:57 Speaker 01 Have you seen those late Muhammad Ali interviews where he's going back? He's going back again and people are begging him, you don't have to do this. It's over. It's fine that it's over. You're the greatest.
2:46:07 Joe Rogan? He didn't have any money, man.
2:46:09 Speaker 01 How did he not have any money?
2:46:11 Joe Rogan? Cause he got ripped off. He got ripped off, man. He got ripped off and a lot of these like wild, impulsive dudes, they spend all their money. Like Tyson spent hundreds of millions.
2:46:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:46:20 Joe Rogan? He bought tigers and shit. He was joking around about it. He had Lamborghinis and tigers and mansions. He had a mansion in Ohio that he just abandoned.
2:46:28 Speaker 01 Well, that's.
2:46:29 Joe Rogan? And like you could go like, there was an online tour of this mansion and you can go and like online, like someone broke into the mansion, took photos of it and everything.
2:46:38 Speaker 01 There's a guy who did that with Kanye's mansion in LA recently. There's an Aussie, he's written a book about, John Safran, who's one of our best.
2:46:45 Joe Rogan? Really?
2:46:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, he wrote a book about.
2:46:47 Joe Rogan? He trespassed?
2:46:48 Speaker 01 He wrote a book about squatting in Kanye's mansion. He was like, you could just come in through the shrubs out the back and I finished the book sitting in Kanye's house. He was always doing wild stuff. He was a, he was a filmmaker. He like ran naked through the streets of Jerusalem, I think.
2:47:01 Joe Rogan? Jesus Christ.
2:47:02 Speaker 01 What else did he got crucified in the Philippines?
2:47:05 Joe Rogan? Crucified, like on a cross?
2:47:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, like at Easter, they, they ritualistic, they really drive nails through your hands, but they crucify people in the Philippines. Yeah.
2:47:12 Joe Rogan? He did that?
2:47:13 Speaker 01 He did that. He went and got for the end, for the season finale of one of his shows, he got crucified in the Philippines.
2:47:17 Joe Rogan? Oh my God, what a fucking nut.
2:47:19 Speaker 01 He's wild. He's a very exciting.
2:47:20 Joe Rogan? What's his name?
2:47:21 Speaker 01 John Safran. Yeah, he is the man.
2:47:23 Joe Rogan? Sounds like he'd be a good podcast guest.
2:47:25 Speaker 01 He stole a lot of Eurasian women's underpants to see if he liked the smell of them better.
2:47:30 Joe Rogan? Oh, fuck this guy.
2:47:31 Speaker 01 Why?
2:47:31 Joe Rogan? He can't be stealing chicks underwear and sniffing them.
2:47:33 Speaker 01 No, and then he like, he took other underpants that were not Eurasian to see if he was attracted to, he stole his Eurasian friends' underpants.
2:47:40 Joe Rogan? Jewish Australian comedian journalist. That's a lot.
2:47:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:47:43 Joe Rogan? Uh, spent a week living in one of West's homes in Los Angeles. This is what he, as if Kanye didn't hate Jews enough.
2:47:50 Speaker 01 Well, this might, I've never heard him speak on this. I've never heard him speak on John Safran.
2:47:53 Joe Rogan? Isn't it kind of funny though, that a Jewish guy is the guy who squatted in his house and wrote about it?
2:47:58 Speaker 01 I think he was like.
2:47:59 Joe Rogan? Oh, that's hilarious.
2:48:00 Speaker 01 No, he's wild.
2:48:01 Joe Rogan? That's hilarious.
2:48:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was.
2:48:04 Joe Rogan? That's crazy.
2:48:05 Speaker 01 Now he's writing books, but his, yeah, his documentary series were great. He was in a show called Race Around the World and everyone else would like take it very seriously. They had like six aspiring filmmakers.
2:48:14 Joe Rogan? You know what the nuttiest spending of money was? Was Evander, Evander Holyfield, who was the heavyweight champion of the world. He made the biggest fucking house. It was an insanely huge house. And then I think he sold it to Rick Ross, the rapper. But it's, the, the house is insane.
2:48:32 Speaker 01 He's one of the big house.
2:48:35 Joe Rogan? I, I mean, I don't know how much it cost. I'm, I'm, I would, I don't even wanna guess, but it's the craziest house I've ever seen in my life. It's like a house that you would say, if I'm the baddest motherfucker on earth, I want the baddest fucking house on earth.
2:48:45 Speaker 01 Is he a gypsy?
2:48:47 Joe Rogan? He's Evander Holyfield.
2:48:48 Speaker 01 I don't know.
2:48:49 Joe Rogan? You don't know who Evander Holyfield is? Oh my God, one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
2:48:52 Speaker 01 Have you seen the gypsy houses?
2:48:53 Joe Rogan? He beat Mike Tyson. Evander Holyfield beat Mike Tyson when he was Mike Tyson.
2:48:58 Speaker 01 Very little about.
2:48:58 Joe Rogan? He knocked him out. He stopped him.
2:49:01 Speaker 01 And then he went and bought a.
2:49:01 Joe Rogan? And then Mike Tyson bit his ear off.
2:49:03 Speaker 01 Oh, he was the ear biting guy.
2:49:04 Joe Rogan? The ear biting guy, that was the second fight.
2:49:06 Speaker 01 I didn't know about the ear biting.
2:49:06 Joe Rogan? That was after Tyson beat him up in the first fight. In the second fight, he bit his ear.
2:49:09 Speaker 01 Was he losing the second fight?
2:49:11 Joe Rogan? Tyson was losing.
2:49:12 Speaker 01 Okay, that's why I did that.
2:49:13 Joe Rogan? But show, show Evander Holyfield's house. Look at this place. Bro. Forty-four thousand, two hundred and thirty-four square feet and has a hundred and nine rooms.
2:49:24 Speaker 01 Actually very tasteful.
2:49:25 Joe Rogan? Including a hundred and thirty, thirty-five foot, uh, excuse me, a hundred and thirty-five seat theater, a bowling alley, and a dining room that accommodates a hundred people.
2:49:35 Speaker 01 Where is it?
2:49:36 Joe Rogan? So large, they named the highway on which it sits, Evander Holyfield Highway. That's crazy.
2:49:42 Speaker 01 That's a, that's, I thought it would be bad.
2:49:44 Joe Rogan? No, no, no, it's not bad. No, it's gorgeous. It cost two hundred, estimated worth of two hundred and thirty million in ninety-four.
2:49:54 Speaker 01 What about the wood paneling?
2:49:55 Joe Rogan? In ninety-four, around that time, he had an esti-, oh, excuse me. Around that time, he had an estimated worth of two hundred and thirty million. Uh, it's, it's.
2:50:04 Speaker 01 It's in Georgia.
2:50:05 Joe Rogan? An amazing house. I mean, it's fucking spectacular. And now Rick Ross, the rapper, lives there, which is like the perfect rapper house.
2:50:10 Speaker 01 You've gotta spend it on.
2:50:11 Joe Rogan? But see if you can get photos of the. Oh, it's gorgeous. It's, and it's a giant piece of land, too. I think it's a hundred, yeah, a hundred and five acres.
2:50:20 Joe Rogan? Um, see if you can see an image of it from the, yeah, there, that, that one where you see, like, look at that.
2:50:24 Speaker 01 It does look like the Georgia airport.
2:50:26 Joe Rogan? If you're Evander Holyfield, that's the kinda house you wanna live in when you're the baddest motherfucker alive.
2:50:30 Speaker 01 Look at that.
2:50:31 Joe Rogan? So beautiful.
2:50:32 Speaker 01 I get hung up.
2:50:33 Joe Rogan? There's Holyfield.
2:50:34 Speaker 01 Yes.
2:50:34 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:50:35 Speaker 01 I the yachts, I like looking at the super yachts. I look like a Jeff Bezos super.
2:50:40 Joe Rogan? Oh, they're nuts. But this house is fucking incredible.
2:50:43 Speaker 01 You'd feel so lonely.
2:50:44 Speaker 04 Rick Ross bought buffaloes and shit to put on.
2:50:46 Joe Rogan? You have your friends live in there.
2:50:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, but you.
2:50:48 Joe Rogan? You got buffaloes?
2:50:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, he's got a bunch of animals on there now.
2:50:50 Speaker 01 Third day.
2:50:50 Joe Rogan? Oh, that's cool. He's got his own buffaloes. That's dope as fuck. That's such a rapper move. Have your own buffaloes on your property? I love it. Rick Ross thanks his neighbors for helping him return his buffaloes.
2:51:03 Speaker 01 How does Rick Ross have that money?
2:51:05 Joe Rogan? Hanging out. They wandered over. Helping him return his wander buffalos. He had to hire some cowboys to bring his fucking animals back home.
2:51:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, no one needs to.
2:51:17 Joe Rogan? Why not though? Maybe you do. Maybe if you become fucking huge and you start doing arenas in America and you develop an insane amount of money and all of a sudden you got giraffes at your house and I go, hey.
2:51:25 Speaker 01 Very hard to say no to the buffalos.
2:51:27 Joe Rogan? What the fuck? I thought you weren't gonna go full Rick Ross.
2:51:30 Speaker 01 No, I mean, I I would go. I feel very lucky that I got to open for Shane and he lives very humbly.
2:51:36 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:51:37 Speaker 01 Uh.
2:51:38 Joe Rogan? But you're not him.
2:51:38 Speaker 01 And like Matt still drives his old car. No, I'll be getting a big fancy car.
2:51:41 Joe Rogan? You're gonna go crazy.
2:51:42 Speaker 01 I would like a Rolls Royce.
2:51:42 Joe Rogan? Shane lives humbly, but he's also got a Mercedes S-Class, you know?
2:51:46 Speaker 01 He.
2:51:46 Joe Rogan? This is Mike Tyson's house that got abandoned.
2:51:48 Speaker 04 Giant TV.
2:51:49 Speaker 01 The zebra carpet?
2:51:50 Joe Rogan? Looks like somebody broke the TV.
2:51:51 Speaker 04 They mean, it was abandoned for a long time, so they broke all the shit.
2:51:54 Joe Rogan? That's crazy. So people just would break into his house when he wasn't there. So did he just leave it there? Or did he just?
2:52:02 Speaker 04 Well, I mean, he probably was trying to sell it and no one bought it, so that makes it abandoned, you know?
2:52:06 Speaker 01 There's, I think Michael Jordan's house, he sold it at a loss because of everything he'd done to it.
2:52:10 Speaker 04 Some guy just actually bought it and was trying to make it an Airbnb.
2:52:12 Speaker 01 He tried to take the shoe gate off. He'd like, the gate was a pair of Jordans or something.
2:52:17 Joe Rogan? That house is only worth 1.1 million. That's how crazy.
2:52:20 Speaker 04 After it's half forever.
2:52:20 Speaker 01 That's a steal.
2:52:21 Joe Rogan? Oh, after it's half forever.
2:52:22 Speaker 04 How much work you have to do to fix it back up?
2:52:24 Joe Rogan? Bro, if I lived in that town and I found out Mike Tyson's house was for sale, I'd be like, let's go.
2:52:29 Speaker 01 There's been a lot of fentanyl.
2:52:30 Joe Rogan? Let's go. You think so?
2:52:32 Speaker 01 In Ohio, in the abandoned mansion.
2:52:34 Joe Rogan? Oh, in the abandoned mansion. Yeah, but I'll just use some sage. I'll clear that out of there.
2:52:37 Speaker 01 Someone did sage last night backstage.
2:52:41 Joe Rogan? He left in 99?
2:52:41 Speaker 01 There was an odor backstage last night and I came off stage and it was gone. And I, yeah, God, working scary. He said, we burnt sage. I didn't know there was a big sage burning.
2:52:49 Joe Rogan? Somebody evil in the room? They're trying to get rid of spirits?
2:52:52 Speaker 01 Just, uh, I won't, I won't name who it was, but someone might have left a terrible smell.
2:52:55 Joe Rogan? Oh.
2:52:58 Speaker 01 I think someone was uh.
2:52:59 Joe Rogan? That definitely happens in that room. There's a lot of people eating weird food that gets delivered to that room.
2:53:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, I, oh, man, Cam Patterson, I don't wanna, I should have said just a guy. I shouldn't have added it as Cam Patterson.
2:53:12 Joe Rogan? But he farted?
2:53:13 Speaker 01 No, when he headlined, he bought like, he bought like enough fried chicken for fifty people and it was just me and his in. It was like one of the first times I was hanging out with all black people in America. I was just quietly.
2:53:25 Joe Rogan? Was it Gus's? Did they get it from Gus's?
2:53:27 Speaker 01 I, it was like, no, I don't know where it was from. It was huge and it was beautiful. And I thought, I didn't know, we had to do that? And headlining, do we have to get food for everybody?
2:53:35 Joe Rogan? No, we don't have to, but you could definitely order food. If you ever want to headline there, they will order you food.
2:53:41 Speaker 01 Well, I, man, I have had good meals in that green room.
2:53:44 Joe Rogan? Yeah, we too. We get Terry Black's delivered all the time. We'd have not a damn chance, not a damn chance burgers.
2:53:51 Speaker 01 Brian Simpson ordered ramen and didn't want to eat the eggs. And everyone looked at me funny for eating it. He said, I don't want these. And I said, I, I'm hungry.
2:53:58 Joe Rogan? Why not, man?
2:53:59 Speaker 01 There's also, it's kind of a food, there's a pizza place next door and there's Chick-fil-A way down the road.
2:54:03 Joe Rogan? It's a really good taco truck up the street, too.
2:54:05 Speaker 01 The, and the Diddy Dog is good. There's a lot of things in vans.
2:54:08 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:54:08 Speaker 01 But I am more suspicious of eating out of trucks and vans now than I used to be.
2:54:12 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:54:12 Speaker 01 I've had enough. What I like is the Mexicans doing the weird hot dogs with like, whatever, they've got huge onions and capsicum.
2:54:20 Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah?
2:54:21 Speaker 01 I go for that.
2:54:22 Joe Rogan? You're a hot, hot sauce guy.
2:54:24 Speaker 01 I love, I just like those men.
2:54:26 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:54:26 Speaker 01 With like a thousand things on a little hot plate. There's less of them now there than there used to be.
2:54:30 Joe Rogan? Well.
2:54:31 Speaker 01 Who can say why? I hope they get to come back.
2:54:33 Joe Rogan? Well, we'll see.
2:54:36 Speaker 01 It's a, that was, I'd always like, there was always a contingent of the American, like people chatting on cable news who would say that illegal immigration wasn't a huge thing. And that people were inflating the numbers. And then when I got here and I, no one warned me, but I was like setting up a house and I went to a Home Depot in the morning and it was like. I was like a hundred and fifty guys just out there. This, I mean, this is old hat and Americans don't talk about it anymore because you've just all known for decades. This is what happens out front of a Home Depot.
2:55:06 Joe Rogan? Well, especially LA. If you go to LA, it was, it was way higher numbers in LA, I think. Texas actually has some pretty high numbers too, though. They just, they have to figure out a pathway to citizenship for these folks and amnesty for people that have been here and established.
2:55:20 Speaker 01 Getting in the front door is a bitch.
2:55:22 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:55:23 Speaker 01 It's hard.
2:55:24 Joe Rogan? And also, a lot of those people are good people. Good people, hard workers.
2:55:27 Speaker 01 What I liked is that the hombre is out front of the Home Depot. A lot of them were in like pro-American gear, like big American hats and bald eagle shirts and things. It's like, I'm gonna be the most pro-American.
2:55:37 Joe Rogan? Yeah. Well, they just need a pathway. Let's make sure that they're not cartel members and criminals and murderers.
2:55:42 Speaker 01 It seems easy.
2:55:43 Joe Rogan? Yeah. It seems like it's doable and it's also they're valuable. Like, these are people that come over here with ambition. That's what this country wants.
2:55:52 Speaker 01 But why would anyone?
2:55:52 Joe Rogan? Want a better life.
2:55:53 Speaker 01 This so, like, I think if you polled Americans, like, huge numbers of people would support that.
2:55:59 Joe Rogan? I agree.
2:55:59 Speaker 01 So why doesn't anybody?
2:56:00 Joe Rogan? It's a good question.
2:56:01 Speaker 01 Why can't anybody get it together?
2:56:03 Joe Rogan? Well, the thing is, it was, I think it's an overcorrection because it was so bad for the last four years where they had an open border.
2:56:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:56:10 Joe Rogan? And they were encouraging people to come in. They were encouraging people, they were helping people, they were moving people to swing states. The problem is when you have more-
2:56:18 Speaker 01 They're admitting it. I watched the Fetterman one where he was going, yeah, I mean, what you gotta do?
2:56:22 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:56:23 Speaker 01 This is crazy.
2:56:24 Joe Rogan? It's crazy. Because the thing is, it affects elections in more ways than one. Even if they can't vote, it affects the amount of congressional seats.
2:56:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:56:32 Joe Rogan? Dependent upon the population, regardless of whether that population is legal or illegal. So if you have 20 million people in a place, you get a certain amount of congressional seats.
2:56:40 Speaker 01 Regardless of if they're registered. I mean, that's-
2:56:41 Joe Rogan? That's where things get weird. That's the reality of politics in America and they wanted to stop that and the Democrats did not. The Democrats wanted that to keep going. That was one of the things that Trump ran on.
2:56:53 Speaker 01 But then also he gets in, he's like, can we get the white South Africans out here immediately? Can we move a million white South Africans to Arizona?
2:57:00 Joe Rogan? Yeah, that's right, too, right? Because like, you're bringing them in, but you're not bringing the persecuted Mexicans in, like, okay.
2:57:06 Speaker 01 It seems like a pathway would be...
2:57:08 Joe Rogan? But it's also like...
2:57:09 Speaker 01 The things I had to do to get in here were...
2:57:10 Joe Rogan? The Africa thing is nuts, man. The South Africa thing, like the killing of the farmers, like, people want to deny that that exists.
2:57:15 Speaker 01 I have seen the rally. The "kill the boar, kill the farmer", he's really, he's doing it.
2:57:21 Joe Rogan? I've seen that.
2:57:22 Speaker 01 And then he gets on trial and he goes...
2:57:22 Joe Rogan? He's saying it, boom, boom, boom!
2:57:24 Speaker 01 And he goes, "I was saying kiss", I said, "kiss the boar".
2:57:27 Joe Rogan? Right, yeah.
2:57:28 Speaker 01 With his cold, dead eyes, he's a spooky cat.
2:57:30 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:57:31 Speaker 01 I forget his name, he's a...
2:57:32 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:57:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, they got some things to sort out.
2:57:36 Joe Rogan? Indeed. Well, listen, McKen, I'm glad you're in America.
2:57:40 Speaker 01 That's a terrible note to go out on.
2:57:41 Joe Rogan? Johnny Meat, Johnny Bone said, "I just re-entered the testing pool that lasted about two weeks, figured we keep everyone's options open."
2:57:48 Speaker 04 A lot of the fighters are tweeting right now, they're very excited about fighting on the White House lawn.
2:57:52 Joe Rogan? Oh, that's right.
2:57:52 Speaker 01 They're gonna fight on the White House lawn?
2:57:54 Joe Rogan? July 4th, 2026, White House lawn. I knew about it, I kept it under my hat for months. Sorry, people.
2:58:02 Speaker 01 They're gonna fight in the Rose Garden?
2:58:03 Joe Rogan? They're gonna fight on the White House lawn.
2:58:05 Speaker 04 20,000 people.
2:58:06 Joe Rogan? 25,000.
2:58:07 Speaker 04 Conor's in?
2:58:08 Joe Rogan? It's the... yeah.
2:58:09 Speaker 04 He says he's gonna be the president of Ireland by then, next year.
2:58:12 Joe Rogan? Eh!
2:58:14 Speaker 01 He's chosen a weird time to run.
2:58:16 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
2:58:16 Speaker 01 But...
2:58:17 Joe Rogan? The world's weird. McKen, love you to death, brother, thank you for being here. Thank you, sir. It's been awesome having you around, for real.
2:58:23 Speaker 01 I had a great time.
2:58:23 Joe Rogan? You're a fucking great guy.
2:58:24 Speaker 01 If I said anything crazy, I didn't mean it.
2:58:26 Joe Rogan? You're very, very funny, too. And if anyone hasn't seen you do stand-up, go see him. I can't recommend you enough, you're awesome.
2:58:32 Speaker 01 You've changed my life. Can I say something touching at the end?
2:58:34 Joe Rogan? Okay.
2:58:35 Speaker 01 All right, I was, I mean, I was poor. I had no opportunities, I got passed at that club, and it's revolutionized. I get to pay my rent on time, I get to do comedy, often, and people are nice about it. This is... It's been very, very strange and I couldn't have done it if you hadn't set that club up.
2:58:53 Joe Rogan? I appreciate that very much and that's the whole reason why we set it up the way we set it up in the first place. We wanted to make it a place where that can happen and like I said about like open micers that are good. They just never saw a path and couldn't figure it out. I think we can save some of those people in the future. You know, I think we could make, we can lessen the attrition rate and we can make better comics.
2:59:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:59:13 Joe Rogan? And, and make a real supportive community, which is what we're really doing and you know, that was the whole goal of the place is to make the best club possible and the best club possible has to have development. You have to have people coming up that are really good. It's like that's the key that a lot of these like improvs and stuff they miss.
2:59:32 Speaker 01 They don't have like a, a night where you can just, a bunch of people are doing 15 minutes.
2:59:36 Joe Rogan? They don't develop a local community. And so they only rely on the headliners to come in on the weekend and the rest of the shows you have various headliners do one night or two nights or something like that. Which is fine occasionally, but the reality is you want a vibrant development community. And if you don't have that, you're not going to get new talent. You're only going to have import talent every weekend.
2:59:56 Speaker 01 There's three cities in all of America where you can reliably do it.
2:59:59 Joe Rogan? It used to just be two.
3:00:00 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, this is, this has changed.
3:00:02 Joe Rogan? Yeah.
3:00:02 Speaker 01 And I, Shane brought me over here. I want to shout him out.
3:00:07 Joe Rogan? He's the best.
3:00:08 Speaker 01 I was in Ohio. I was having a good time, but I was, I had no, I, there was nothing happening for me. And then the fact that there is a place that you can come and if you're going to work hard and do it.
3:00:18 Joe Rogan? Well.
3:00:19 Speaker 01 That, I mean, that's insane.
3:00:20 Joe Rogan? It's awesome.
3:00:20 Speaker 01 Ah, look, I don't want to go on about it.
3:00:22 Joe Rogan? We're, we're happy to have you, brother.
3:00:23 Speaker 01 I'm very touched. God bless you.
3:00:25 Joe Rogan? Uh, tell everybody your Instagrams. They could follow you.
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3:00:38 Joe Rogan? Okay.
3:00:38 Speaker 01 All right. Hey, thank you so much.
3:00:39 Joe Rogan? Thank you, brother. Bye, everybody.
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