#2329 - Ehsan Ahmad

Ehsan Ahmad is a comedian and co-host of "The Solid Show" with Deric Poston. https://linktr.ee/ehsanjahmad www.youtube.com/@TheSolidShow2024 Get 10% off perfect boots at Tecovas.com/Rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, hey, Thava.

• 0:13Speaker 02

  Oh, what's up?

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  What's going on, man?

• 0:17Speaker 02

  Good, good.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  It's good to see you.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Good to be back.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, brother. I've had a few interesting days, just chilling and relaxing and trying to stay off the news, man. And then this morning, someone sent me a video of Bridgette McCrone, McCrone's wife.

• 0:33Speaker 02

  Oh, I saw that.

• 0:33Joe Rogan?

  Fucking face slapping him. Yeah, that's wild, dude.

• 0:37Speaker 02

  My favorite is the look into the camera, once he realizes I got caught.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's like, oh, and he, it's like, it's very, you could put like, the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme song, right after that.

• 0:48Joe Rogan?

  Imagine what goes on behind closed doors. If someone's bitch slapping you on a private jet, like, what is that?

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird relationship, man.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  Well, she was his teacher.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  If it was a she.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, there's a whole, like...

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  There's a whole, like, yeah.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  There's a whole, like, thing?

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Candace Owens did, like, five hours on it.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  That's a little bit crazy.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah. She's the wrong dog to go after you.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  If you're trying to break into a house, that's the wrong guard dog.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  She gets on something, she's like a pit bull.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  No, she, she really breaks down. I had a friend once show me her breakdown of, like, a Taylor Swift situation, because I didn't know Candace talks about, like, that sort of stuff as well. And I was like, oh, this is like, a really in-depth breakdown of what's going on with Taylor Swift. That's crazy.

• 1:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she did the whole Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively thing, and I'm eating popcorn. What? Oh, no.

• 1:46Joe Rogan?

  But the fucking Bridgette McCrone one is the craziest, because I think she's right. I don't, obviously, I don't know. But at the end of the day, the first thing you have to say is, what kind of a 40-year-old dates a 14-year-old?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing...

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  Even if it's a woman and a man. Well, first of all, Kirk Masker says it's 14. I think the internet says it's 50. But Masker goes, but it's definitely 14. He was younger than that. Did you see me get cornered by him yesterday?

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:17Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he just hit me with like seven different conspiracies in a row. I'm like, guys, guys, I'm getting cornered.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  It's so hard to follow him a lot of the time. When you're just like, whoa, okay.

• 2:27Joe Rogan?

  I felt like a woman trapped at like an office party and the guy who's hitting on them like won't leave them alone. They can't escape.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, have you ever seen that meme of that like girl at the party and the guy's just talking at him?

• 2:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's always like, you know, something about flat earth or something.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  But yeah, no, I saw that and I was like, that's crazy that this happened this morning.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, but the, but the facts of the situation, forty and let's say fifteen, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Fifteen is, I have a fifteen year old. They're little kids, essentially, you know, they're like three years away from being an adult. Three whole years.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Well, you, you know what's, you know what's interesting is that like, I, I listen to a lot of true crime and they'll say that like, pedophiles and stuff will put themselves in situations where they can abuse. And that's, I think that's why there's a lot of.

• 3:16Joe Rogan?

  Nickelodeon.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, Nickelodeon.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  It's like the Jimmy Savile thing in England.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 3:21Joe Rogan?

  They're crazy.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  They're crazy.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  I was trying to explain to someone this week, I was like, imagine if Mr. Rogers was the biggest pedophile that ever existed.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  But also looked like one.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  That's what's cra- like Mr. Rogers looks like a sweet guy. You know what I mean? Like back in the day, like if a guy like Mr. Rogers was teaching kids, you wouldn't even get creeped out. It's like, oh, he's just a sweet guy. There's sweet people out there. But Jimmy Savile looks like a monster. He looked like a monster. Like didn't look like a real person. He looked like, what was that fucking movie? There was that movie that was based on a book. Oh my god, Johnny Depp was in it.

• 4:02Joe Rogan?

  The guy from How I Met Your Mother was in it.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  I'm, this is not ringing any bells for me.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  It's a really weird book. It's like half fantastic, half realistic, sort of almost Harry Potter-ish.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  The secret window?

• 4:15Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:16Joe Rogan?

  Let me see what it looks like.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  Uh, based on a Stephen King?

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not it.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 4:20Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no. It was like a recent fuck.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Is it like Almost Harry Potter? Is it Magical Beasts?

• 4:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  That movie?

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Oh, that's it. Yeah, it's Magical Beasts.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:30Joe Rogan?

  He looks like an evil person in Magical Beasts.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Right, right, like a bad wizard. He definitely looks like a bad wizard.

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't look like a real human.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  But I wonder too if like-

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  Pull up a picture of Jimmy Savile. Just look at that guy.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  I think it's mi- it might be so hard to look past like everything that he's done.

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  For us to not see the monster like then it must have been like, oh, cause-

• 4:50Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. That's a monster. That's a monster. That's a monster. No matter what. That's a monster. That's a monster with the glasses. There's something about his eyes. Obviously, we know too much, right? But look at this. Shirt open, no, no, no, you know, like no T-shirt underneath it, chest hair. Fucking something around his neck.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  That matches his shirt.

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  I guess a tie just around his neck. He's a creeper.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, but at the time they were like, oh, he's just a British eccentric guy. That's the, we British are known for our weird people.

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Fifty years. Just-

• 5:29Joe Rogan?

  God. And died and no one ever caught him.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  No one ever caught him. BBC covered it up. Crazy. Just let him get away. Used to hang out at the hospitals that he would.

• 5:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, that's the Sandusky thing too.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:43Joe Rogan?

  Sandusky thing, same thing. Like, everybody knew about it.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Oh dude, everyone knew about it, but they were winning. So we're like, dude, we win championships. I did think-

• 5:52Joe Rogan?

  The devil. If the devil's a real thing, that's where the devil lives.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  It's very funny to me, at least, you know, that they exposed Sandusky after they went seven and six. They were like, they were winning for so long. And then they were like, seven and six, uh-uh.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  Is that really what happened?

• 6:08Speaker 02

  It was the same. They went, they had a horrible year and then the next year, Sandusky, the Sandusky thing came out.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  They needed to make changes. He wasn't doing his job.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  I think he had already retired at that point too. It was just crazy.

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  That's even, yeah, that's when it's over, cause you're not valuable anymore.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Right, and so eventually-

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  Biden that motherfucker. You gotta Pelosi that motherfucker right into the rocks.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, like Dianne Feinstein in a wheelchair, being told by her operatives who to vote for.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  Right. That's what you gotta do if you're Sandusky.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  Ride that bitch into the rocks. Cause if you get out, then they start investigating you like, whoa.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Stay active.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta keep, you gotta keep achieving.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  Keep a con alive. Keep these people fed because they will feed you to the wolves.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:51Joe Rogan?

  Right? If you're a corrupt politician, you gotta stay in office. You can't retire. If you retire, you're open game. Cause now you're, are you on a podcast, retired, talking shit? Let's get them. They start auditing you and they're, everyone's got some fucking shady shit. They all, they made way too much money.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 7:12Joe Rogan?

  There's no way. There's no way it's not shady when you're worth 200 million and you make 170 grand a year. That's crazy.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Right, and then you have to stay. You have to.

• 7:25Joe Rogan?

  You gotta ride it into the rocks.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Also, there's something about that power that you don't wanna give up on. That's also, yeah.

• 7:30Joe Rogan?

  100%, 100%.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Some like weird Darth, like the Emperor Palpatine. They all look like Emperor Palpatine. Every politician looks like Emperor Palpatine when they're old. It's crazy. Male or female.

• 7:41Joe Rogan?

  The weight of it all weighing on you. You know what I'm saying?

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Like you have to know that you're like, man, I'm like, at a certain point, I'm fucking over so many people.

• 7:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  It's got away on your soul, hopefully.

• 7:52Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you age. I think the best people age the hardest. You know? I think Obama like was probably like a very idealistic young man who really wanted to change the world.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:07Joe Rogan?

  And that dude aged more than anybody.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  Well, in 2000, yeah, oh yeah.

• 8:11Joe Rogan?

  Who aged the least? Trump.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  Trump.

• 8:13Joe Rogan?

  Trump just fucking.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  This is something that, uh.

• 8:16Joe Rogan?

  He just brushed that shit off his shoulders like it was nothing.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  This is something that Derek said to me in like 2018 once, we were talking about. He's like, I don't know, cause he's not a big politics guy, but it's like, I don't know if I trust Trump. His hair's not getting gray. What kind of politician doesn't get gray hairs?

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• 11:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, the hair itself, he makes one of his own hair. He was on stage talking about his comb over.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's funny.

• 11:21Joe Rogan?

  He does stand up. He's doing stand up. Regardless of what you think about him, foreign policy, economics, regardless, the guy is doing stand up.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  He can work a room.

• 11:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why none of them can fuck with him, because he can go on a podcast, easy. Because he does these stadiums where he just goes out and starts talking shit. He does Biden impressions. He does Biden water around the room. He doesn't know where he is. He's funny man, okay? And the problem is, he does it all the time, so he's got an act. He's basically like a comic. Like, in a lot of ways. That's the problem. It's like, these other people are, they have canned speeches that are written by a bunch of people that have this, like, really well-worded, you know, explanation of what's wrong with the world, what's wrong with the country, and what they're gonna do, but it's not them. It's not them. That's why they all fall apart when they're talking and, you know,

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  they just don't have any idea what the question's gonna be. That's why they had to be protected. All of them have to be protected from themselves.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  Because when confronted by, like, some basic facts about the fucking corruption of the world, they don't know what to say, and they crumble. And Trump just starts talking shit. He just starts talking shit, "Brother, they're all corrupt." He just starts going into it and talking about crooked Hillary and this and that, and they said this, and they said that.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just the him saying what's on his mind, regardless of whether or not, you know, people like fact-check him or whatever, I think people are just used to that now. Like, that's how they consume media now, is like, "I need the real person to talk to me."

• 12:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes. It's also like, they're like, "Oh, he's a crazy person." Like, yeah, that's the only kind of person that would survive what you try to do to him.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:06Joe Rogan?

  That's the only kinda guy that gets through. Like, you want a perfect person? A perfect person morally falls apart. By the time they've been indicted and they're thirty-four counts felony counts. Like, your, your whole body's just destroyed by the stress of you possibly going to jail for the rest of your life. You have to be a fucking insane person to ride that out and not look like anything even happened? Then you get shot.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:30Joe Rogan?

  You get up after you got shot, you're fucking bleeding from your ear and you go fight, fight, fight. You gotta be a crazy person to get through these. He's a nightmare for anybody that's trying to rig a system. Like, that guy's the nightmare. He's the final boss of fuck you, you know?

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, a- and also to want like a good guy to be your president is kinda cra- like, a good guy is your neighbor. Like, there's not- there's-

• 13:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it'd be nice if we could get a good guy to be president.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  I don't think they would want that job.

• 13:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh, no, they wouldn't want that job.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  No, they wouldn't want that job. There's no way. That's an awful job.

• 14:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's just, I, I think he's like a lot of people that just want success. They, they want a certain kind of success and, and also they want a certain kind of success publicly. They want everybody to know that they're successful.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's a, like, hyper-competitive person that's locked into a very specific kinda game. Is the game of, "Look at all the shit I got. Look at all the power I have. Look at all the shit I got." And they're all playing that game. They're just playing that game sneaky. They're playing that game talking about the importance of addressing climate change and, you know, all, all sorts of weird shit. They're, they're talking about, but they're all playing the same goddamn game.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  They're in a legacy game. They wanna see, "How long can my name last? Post me dying." Like, that's a type of person-

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it's what happens with cults. It's what happens with everything. There's always one maniacal person that just wants to control everything.

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  Everything, that's why CEOs backstab each other and try to get each other removed. And you hear about that, like internal coups at companies. Everybody's always like, fuck you, I'm the man. How could he be the man? I'm the man. And they just want to, they fucking ruin each other, man.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel like that's why Dick Cheney was so effective. He's like, I'll just be number two.

• 15:26Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he was straight Satan. He was in the Bible. That guy was in the Bible. He didn't have a pulse. At one point in time, no, legitimately. An artificial heart, no pulse, and responsible for who knows how many deaths.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Oh, countless.

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 15:43Speaker 02

  A whole twenty year war that we had no business being in.

• 15:46Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, you want to talk about like transparent. This was all transparent before the internet. But imagine, it was kind of the internet was around, right? But not the same. The internet in two thousand one, there was no social media. It was a different kind of internet. But this guy was, they were getting, his former company was getting no bid contracts. For billions of dollars to fix shit that we blew up in a war that was his idea.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  That's a pretty, if, from the outside point of view, if you have the power to make money that way, what a genius evil thing to do.

• 16:17Joe Rogan?

  So profitable.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  I know, he might, but just billions of dollars, enough that he didn't need a heart anymore.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  What do you, like, how do you combat that with the idea also in place? That capitalism is way better than communism, which I think we all agree. How do you combat that?

• 16:34Speaker 02

  I don't, I think, I'm maybe a little more cynical than most people. Cause I, I just, the way I look at it now is like, I don't think you can. Cause I think whatever system that you end up putting in place, regardless, there are the haves and the have nots. Right? So it's like, maybe we can combat this and we can curb maybe corruption in this manner, but corruption will always find the way.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, but is there a way to minimize it? Is there a way to make it less available? Like, it seems like, I'm not, I'm just guessing. I've never been a congressman, I'm just guessing. But my friend Tulsi was a congresswoman for eight years. And her experiences, like in there, are they're, they're quite disturbing because.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  Without speaking out of turn, what they, what essentially the idea that I'm getting, and then not just talking to her, talking to Fetterman, talking to multiple people.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  Is a lot of these people, they're, they go in with good intentions, and then they encounter a system that is just rigged with grifters. Like, the whole system, you're in a grifting system, and you're like, oh, Jesus Christ. So it's all about lobbyists, and it's all about money, and then people start hedging their, their decisions, what they're gonna talk about or discuss, or be against, because they're gonna run for reelection, which they're always doing. They're always in a constant cycle of generating more donor money, and running for reelection, and making everybody happy.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  I think, I think you, at least for like, you see that with like AOC, someone who, you know, when she was coming up, it was like a whole anti-system sort of Democrat, and then 2020 endorses Biden. So it's like, eventually they get you to play ball.

• 18:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like, who would she endorse if she didn't endorse Biden? Like, this is the argument that Bernie Sanders made on, on Flagrant.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  He was essentially saying to Akash and Andrew, he was saying, "What, my choice was either help Donald Trump, or support the Democratic Party, even though they fucked him over." And so his, his choice, he made the choice to support Hillary.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Well, I, I mean, I get it from Bernie's perspective, but if, like, in my mind, if I'm like, I don't know, and this is me not knowing anything about how Congress works, but it's like, if I'm supposed to be the next young, like, I'm the change of the Democratic Party, I think the, the power move is to not endorse anybody there. If I'm in like an AOC position of just like-

• 18:58Joe Rogan?

  I think the system is a little more locked down than we'd like to think.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, clearly it is, right? Because here's a good example. They were gonna release the Epstein files day one. Right?

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what happened? What happened? What happened? If that's what you wanted to do before you got the job, and then you got the job and day one you couldn't do it.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So, what are we saying? Are we saying that this is, this is more complicated? It's probably a lot more complicated. There's probably a web. And then there's also people for decades and decades been developing relationships and working inside these fucking... And that's the real government? That's our real government. That's our real government. These people realize that, once they get into Congress, they realize that, when they become a senator, they realize that. Like, okay, this is not the real government. And if you fuck with the real government, they'll take your ass out.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, they'll, they'll shoot ya. Or they'll try.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  They did everything to Trump. They did everything. They did indictments, they did public shame, they did, they took shots at him.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  But also with the Epstein thing, it's probably like, just way too many people are on that list for our government to be even any sort of functional.

• 20:05Joe Rogan?

  Look at the... It's a hostage video, dawg.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  Dude, he looks so scared to be there right now.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  Bro, this is like... That's a hostage video.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  That's, that's Cash right now being like, "Don't say the wrong name or I'm dead."

• 20:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's a hostage video, son.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's, there's no winning in that, cuz there's no, cuz it's like, that's, Epstein is across the aisle. That's everybody.

• 20:25Joe Rogan?

  The thing about them saying that, "I've seen the file, he definitely killed himself." Well, what could be in the file? Let's, let's strongman this. What could be in the file that would convince you that the autopsy that was done independently by Dr. Michael Baden, who's that famous HBO autopsy guy? Do you know that guy?

• 20:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:46Joe Rogan?

  You ever see that show? HBO's Autopsy?

• 20:48Speaker 02

  No, I've never seen that.

• 20:49Joe Rogan?

  Great show. From a while back. But the show was all about how they caught murderers. Who did a lot of crazy shit. And just, just insane things that some people did. One guy, his wife died, and he kept her body in his house. And he kept buying like, cases and cases of perfume. And he was covering her decaying body with perfume to stop the odor. And he inserted some sort of a rubber fake vagina into the corpse.

• 21:23Joe Rogan?

  Bro. Yeah, what a, what a guy. Bro, when they described, so this guy, anyway, he's, he's got a famous show that was on HBO that was on for a long time, like many seasons. All of these insane murder cases, like how they caught these people. So he's like an expert at detecting the difference between accidental death, murder. And he looked at the autopsy, he looked at what had happened to Epstein's body, he said, this is indicative of someone being strangled to death. These kind of breaks in the bones on the neck. This is not like what happens when you hang yourself. And he was like, the mark is also in the wrong place. It's low on the neck. Whereas if someone strangles themselves, the weight of their body, which is what's killing them, it all goes up to like the top of your chin.

• 22:09Joe Rogan?

  He's like, none of these are, these injuries are injuries that are consistent with someone who was strangled. So what could be, if they don't have a video? So if they say the cameras were down, okay, so there's no video. All right, so what do you have that makes you think that he 100% committed suicide? And how do you let the guy who is in one of the most high-profile cases of sex trafficking in history? How do you let that guy just not be watched? But, but also. This episode is brought to you by Tacovas. Tacovas know that y'all means all, so they make boots that work for everybody. Handmade with over 200 meticulous steps, these boots are built for comfort right out of the box.

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• 23:33Speaker 02

  How, why is Ghislaine still alive? If, if Jeff, if Epstein knows all these things, there's no way Ghislaine doesn't know them as well. She's, she's like there. She's there the whole ti- I feel like she knows everything that he knows.

• 23:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's in jail where they get to do yoga.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so she got a sweet deal.

• 23:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's, she is alive though, which is kind of crazy. Like, you, you gotta wonder, like, if they killed him because they couldn't trust him. Allegedly.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:59Joe Rogan?

  Let's just say.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Let's just say allegedly.

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, let's give Cash and Dan the benefit of the doubt. So maybe there's something in that file that shows that he, what would convince you?

• 24:10Joe Rogan?

  What could be in the file that would convince you?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  I mean, it would have to be active, it have, it would have to be active politicians, presidents,

• 24:20Speaker 02

  billionaires, like, it's gotta be like that level of like, I mean, the, the fucking prince was there.

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see what Epstein's cellmate looked like?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 24:30Joe Rogan?

  Bro. Ready for this? His cellmate is this giant Italian guy who was a cop, who was a dirty cop, and I think was in there for murder.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  I think it was like a bad drug deal or some shit. Let, let's find the details in this, but when you see what this guy looked like, you're like, are you fucking kidding me? He looks like, like The Rock.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:55Joe Rogan?

  Guy's giant. And this is the cellmate. This, you put a murderer in with a guy who's the most high-profile witness and defendant in history, dealing with a sex slave operation for elites? And you left him in there with a giant murderer?

• 25:17Speaker 02

  Right, there should be a guard around him at all times, but they, yeah, they knew they were gonna liquidate him. Like, almost immediately.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  You get an image of him, Jamie?

• 25:24Speaker 03

  I was digging through details of what he did that I hadn't remember, I don't remember hearing.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  What the cop did?

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, he had four life sentences.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  Wait, but let's show the picture of him. The picture's insane. When you see what he looks like, you're like, this guy looks like a, a heavyweight MMA fighter.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Right, they were just waiting for him to die.

• 25:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he literally looks like a gorilla. Look at him, far right picture, that one, yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 25:45Joe Rogan?

  Look at the size of this guy. Imagine, oh, someone got strangled to death and this guy's the cellmate? Nothing to see here, folks. Look at the size of this fucking guy. Ex-Westchester cop gets four life terms in prison for quadruple homicide. So he's already in jail for four life sentences. All you have to do is give him tuna fish. You get tuna from the commissary. Just kill this guy.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, what are you gonna get? We're gonna get you hookers every month. Bring in a hooker. What are you gonna get?

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I'm not saying that that's hap- that happened.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  I mean...

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  But I'm saying if a guy is in jail for four life sentences, like, that would be a good guy to hire.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  One of them was strangling someone to death with a zip tie.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 26:23Joe Rogan?

  He's good at it. Jesus Christ, he strangled someone to death with a zip tie.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Tortured him.

• 26:28Joe Rogan?

  What is his name?

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Martin.

• 26:29Joe Rogan?

  Tartaglioni. Tartaglioni. It's like, it's like a character in a bad novel.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Strong man, that, though, he wasn't technically his cellmate at the time of the death. He was moved.

• 26:39Joe Rogan?

  Hey, they moved me. Don't worry about it. I wasn't even there, bro. I wasn't even there. I was just two cells down. And my door was locked, for sure.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, you can't tell, because the video is gone, but I'm, I'm, I'm stuck there.

• 26:54Joe Rogan?

  If they have video, I mean, please, show it, so I can prove my innocence. You know, meanwhile, now he's got fucking sandwiches Jimmy John's gets delivered to prison.

• 27:05Joe Rogan?

  He's eating great.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Extra yard time.

• 27:08Joe Rogan?

  He's got a fucking laptop in his room. Like, what's going on? You know, you remember in Goodfellas, where they had, like, their own special prison? Apparently, that, that was real. They used to really have it set up like that.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  That makes sense.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  Where, like, mob guys had paid people off, so when they went to prison, they had, like, a big prison cell, and they would cook in there, and they would do a bunch of shit. Like, for real, they just had to stay there and hang out with each other.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, it's, it's so great. Corruption is always corruption, huh?

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  Corruption is always corruption, man.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  There's no way around it. It's just a part of our reality.

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  It's always corruption. I was reading about this, uh, famous Mexican singer, who was supposed to be playing in Dallas. Um, he had a 50,000-seat place. He was doing the place where, like, the Cowboys play.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  And they canceled his visa.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Really?

• 27:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because he, he sings those narco songs.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 28:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And one of the, which are apparently, like, shit. It's gangsta rap.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:06Joe Rogan?

  It's the Mexican version of gangsta rap.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:09Joe Rogan?

  But gangsta rap is fine.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's like...

• 28:12Joe Rogan?

  Gangsta rap.

• 28:14Joe Rogan?

  Weird, right?

• 28:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:16Joe Rogan?

  A little weird.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  That's truly the reason? Just because he sang the Narco song?

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, he did, and he had an image of one of the guys at his concert while he was like singing the song. There's an image of one of the, uh, one of the head guys.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I think to sing one of those Narco songs, you need to get it like approved by the guy.

• 28:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  So it's like the part of the whole thing, but it's like...

• 28:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so he had an image of the guy like in homage to him while he sang the song. And they're like, "That's where we draw the line."

• 28:41Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  He might have been a different guy.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 28:44Speaker 03

  Similar situation, uh, singer in a different band had the problem looking at the article now.

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  I thought it said him.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  It's saying, "This Alvarez is the guy that you were talking about for Dallas." And then it said, "Earlier this year, visas revoked for this band."

• 28:57Speaker 02

  So why did Alvarez?

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  But didn't Alvarez also have something similar?

• 29:00Speaker 03

  I, I, I'm just saying, this is what the article is saying.

• 29:03Joe Rogan?

  Does anything else say in the article?

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Describing exactly what you just said.

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  Which article is this from? This is from USA Today?

• 29:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, is there anything that says what, why Alvarez was denied?

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so, okay, so maybe I got it wrong. So it's another guy did that, and so was he denied as well?

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, but it's, the article is saying multiple people have these singer, the singers from these types of bands.

• 29:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see, I see, I see. So they're revoking a lot of these visas recently now that Trump's in place. It is kinda crazy.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's just, it's just, at the same time, it is just songs.

• 29:33Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like...

• 29:34Joe Rogan?

  It is just songs, but it's, I guess the idea is that it's songs celebrating the cartel culture.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Uh, I'm like...

• 29:42Joe Rogan?

  But, but why is gangster rap okay?

• 29:44Speaker 02

  Right, and it's like cartel culture is like a real thing. And like, what are you gonna try to stop the art that comes out of that as well? Like, people live those lives, people like, the art should be out there, it's art.

• 29:55Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's a real thing because we have stupid drug laws.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh my god, oh, the, the...

• 30:00Joe Rogan?

  That's the reality.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Anti-marijuana at THC is on the governor's desk today.

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  I know. It's like, and it's like, it's so funny that it's like... You wanna be seen as like tough on the border and like tough on immigration and yet you hand the cartels a big win by by making THC illegal. It's crazy.

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  From what I heard, there's an issue, um, that one of the issues in any time, anytime there's like, uh, especially with marijuana laws. It's the prison lobby. Prison lobbies have a say. Like, prison lobbies are very powerful. They're very big and they don't wanna cut back on business.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  It's the devil again. It's the devil again.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  Same with alcohol companies.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  It's, yeah. And, uh, Big Pharma.

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  Alcohol companies for sure. They don't wanna like lose alcohol, but I don't think they would. I mean, maybe they've done studies.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  I think they already know alcohol sales are down wherever weed's.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Not like, no one's drinking, obviously, but they're down.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  And it's a Big Pharma thing too, where it's like they, if people self-medicate their anxiety with weed, which is what a lot of people do, then they're not gonna go to the doctor for pills.

• 31:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a slippery slope, isn't it? Self-medicating your anxiety with weed.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  Down it goes south.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm just saying, that's what happens. Someone.

• 31:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, people drink for depression. Same thing. It's like, that's a terrible strategy.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  It's a terrible strategy, but the option should be there for you. The government shouldn't say, the government shouldn't be like, no, you should get your your self-med, you should, just give, let us have your medication. Let the Big Pharma have the medication.

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, we should, if we're gonna apply this kinda control, it should be to food. Like, we shouldn't be able to drink Coca-Cola anymore then. Then we shouldn't be able to eat french fries. Like, what are we doing? Like, what are we doing? Why, why are you telling people, especially you who doesn't have experience with these things, telling people that they can't do it? It's a stupid thing to do. It's stupid because it, all it does is empower illegal organizations. But if at the same time it empowers prisons, that's a problem. Like, we make money too. We get our cut.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, our cut is we get to lock people up and use them as human batteries to generate money for a private prison system.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, and it must be a lot of money for the, for, cause both Democrats and Republicans voted for this in, in Texas. So it's like, it must make a lot of money, cause it's like an eight billion dollar industry in Texas, that they're just throwing away in September. So there's gotta be, the, what they make in those private prisons must be immense.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, it might not just be that. It might be, you know, we're saying private prisons, but we're just guessing. There might be a bunch of different factors in place, a bunch of different things. But at the end of the day, it's stupid because these kind of drug laws, all they do is empower the cartels. And that's not what we want, right? We don't want to empower organized crime. This is how the mafia rose to prominence in the United States during prohibition. That was Al Capone. He made his money moonshine in.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  Right, and then to turn around and be like, well, he can't sing about the cartel life, but we'll invite them in is like such a crazy. It's like a weird attack on free speech that's coming that I'm not a big fan of.

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  The Godfather is one of the greatest movies of all time. It's a movie about the mob. Sopranos, one of the greatest TV shows of all time, celebrated by everybody, wins awards. It was about the mob. It was sympathetic. The main mob character in the show was a murderer.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he's one of my favorite characters of all time.

• 33:21Joe Rogan?

  Love him.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Tony Sopranos is incredible.

• 33:25Joe Rogan?

  How come that's okay?

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 33:28Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. Like, what are we doing? Is it because the mafia is not a real threat anymore? They think they've kind of taken the teeth out of the mafia?

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, towards the end, you see it towards the end of the series as well, them talking about how like the mafia can't really shake down local stores anymore because they don't exist and all that.

• 33:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  They're probably a little, they're definitely less afraid of the mafia, even in the late 90s.

• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, Giuliani cleaned it up.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:50Joe Rogan?

  And the whole, the government really went after them during the John Gotti days. Like, John Gotti was like the last big public mob boss. Where everybody knew who the mob boss was. Like, and you would walk around with these like super expensive suits on. It was crazy to watch, man.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:09Joe Rogan?

  Because you were essentially watching like our equivalent to a cartel member that was just like existing as a major celebrity in society, where his name was making it onto rap songs.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  Right, well, what's that, oh my god, what's the guy who escaped the Mexican prison? The cartel guy?

• 34:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, El Chapo.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  You could become famous enough if you're famous. El Chapo, Pablo Escobar.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can become famous enough. It's a route to fame, for sure.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  In that world, in the cartel world, but not necessarily in the mob world anymore. Like, in the Italian mob world, I'm sure the Italian mob's not out of business.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  No, but...

• 34:45Joe Rogan?

  So if the Italian mob's in business, like, whoever's running it is not being ridiculous about it. Like, John Gotti was just being flagrant about it.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  Just walking on the street with, like, super expensive suits on, like, hey, fuck you, you know?

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I think also with the mob, it's kind of easier, like, all the Italians hanging out, lived in the same place, all the... Now, everyone's just sort of more mixed together, I would say. At least in that world, it's not like... I've never walked, at least in Austin or LA, and be like, oh, wow, a bunch of Italians live here.

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  I think that helps, if it's in the... You can do that to your community, you can control.

• 35:23Joe Rogan?

  That definitely is what they did. I mean, they were all about, where did he live? Did he live in Brooklyn, or did he live in Staten Island? I forget where he lived. But wherever he lived, like, the area where he... I think it was Brooklyn. Was it, Jamie?

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Uh, I gotta... Well, I don't know, was it, I mean, abandoned mansion, Long Island, I guess? They did that TV show.

• 35:49Joe Rogan?

  Was it Bensonhurst? Is that where he was?

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, he was rich enough.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  No, Sheephead Bay? Wherever he was, was like a very Italian area. Like, and it was known that, like, the streets were safe. Like, there's no breaking and entering in John Gotti's neighborhood.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  Family home of John Gotti, Howard Beach?

• 36:06Joe Rogan?

  Howard Beach, that's it, that's the beach, yeah. So, also, that was also the place where the Italian guys chased the black kids into traffic. Do you remember that story?

• 36:17Speaker 02

  No, when was this?

• 36:19Joe Rogan?

  This was like a really dark story that was in, I wanna say it was in the eighties or the nineties. But it became a famous tragedy. These, uh, black guys were going through this Italian neighborhood and something happened. And these Italian guys chased them into traffic.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 36:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 36:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, yeah, that sort of stuff.

• 36:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Twenty-three-year-old black man was killed on December twentieth, nineteen eighty-six in Howard Beach in Queens, New York City. A racially motivated attack. Uh, Griffith and two other black men were set upon by a group of white youths outside a pizza parlor. Oh my god, it's a Spike Lee movie. Two of the victims, including Griffith, were severely beaten. Griffith fed, fled onto a highway where he was fatally struck by a passing motorist.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 37:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  Three local teenagers were acquitted, uh, convicted, rather, of manslaughter for the death. A fourth was acquitted. Jesus Christ.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  No, I didn't, yeah, that's, I never heard that story, that's.

• 37:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a story that I remember, um, like, right out of high school, like, right when I was, you know, I was probably like eighteen, nineteen. Well, hi, Jamie. It was like.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  Uh, there you go. So that, that is what it is.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  This is, yeah.

• 37:37Joe Rogan?

  In eighty-nine.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Damn. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think whatever comes out of this weed ban is gonna be very good.

• 37:43Joe Rogan?

  It's not good any, any time you let the government make more control, have more control over people for no fucking

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:51Joe Rogan?

  logical reason.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  I felt the same way about the porn ban here, too. And like, and we were talking about it earlier, how I've stopped watching porn.

• 37:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Because I think, I mean, definitely, there was an addiction there. And there's also, like, you should have to work to see a naked woman.

• 38:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but let's be clear, there's not a ban here. It's just you have to be eighteen.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Well, you have to be eighteen. Right, right, right. It's not a ban, but like, you have to be eighteen and then you have to send your ID in. Is it like, like, there's like biometric face scans for some of the sites you have to do? It's like really kinda, it's like really kinda like.

• 38:20Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna fucking blackmail the shit out of you.

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's like really like.

• 38:24Joe Rogan?

  You're at milfs.com.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 38:26Joe Rogan?

  Pictures of you gooning, dick out.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, well, you gotta pretend that like, oh, this, this, this is gonna go to a place where no one's gonna access it. You're gonna know my porn have, that's like weird.

• 38:35Joe Rogan?

  It's all weird because meanwhile, everyone has a camera on their phone. Everyone has a camera on their computer. All those cameras can be hijacked. It's very easy to do.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:43Joe Rogan?

  And then, even if they didn't, now we have AI that will make it.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could just ma- make porn with whoever you want.

• 38:50Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, but make videos of you jerking off with your little tiny limp dick.

• 38:57Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't have to, it doesn't have to be real anymore.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:00Joe Rogan?

  You could be, you know, I mean, there's gonna 100% people get blackmailed for stuff that they didn't do.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:08Joe Rogan?

  There's gonna want, and we're not gonna be able to know. I think they know now. I think like you can run them through programs, you know whether a video's been altered.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  But it's gonna get better and better at tricking them. Like, it's, the, the, how fast it's come? Like, there's gonna be a time where you probably can't even like use video evidence in court. Cause it'd be like, dude, we don't know if this is real at all.

• 39:26Joe Rogan?

  I think the thing that they say is that the blockchain is gonna help. So like, every video that gets created gets put up on the blockchain. And you'll be able to see if that's the case, whether or not things have been altered.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  What's the, what's the block, isn't that a crypto thing?

• 39:42Joe Rogan?

  It is, but it's also, so, well, I don't wanna fuck this up. So let's explain the blockchain. Give me, get me a definition of the blockchain.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that does sound like a crypto bro trying to be like, no, the blockchain's got it.

• 39:53Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not a good thing. It's just like, it's like, you know what it is? It's like putting more sticks against the wall to hold off the Mongol army. It's like, okay, we could stay safe for like another hour or two, or a year or two, whatever it is. But I have a feeling that this AI aspect of our life is totally unmanageable at the point we're at right now. It just hasn't fall apart.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  No, it's a, you know, it's, it's something that, uh, we, we, uh, something that Mark said about capitalism. Is, so they made us read the Communist Manifesto in college. And, uh, I would describe the first.

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  Keep that up, please.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would describe the first half of the book as this is like love letter to capitalism. Um, and then his conclusions are just very bad, that's how I feel about it. But, uh, he said that capitalism will eventually create the thing that'll destroy it.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  And it seems like the internet was that and now AI. It seems like it's, cause once AI can do every job.

• 40:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Like, what are people gonna do?

• 40:51Joe Rogan?

  A blockchain is a decentralized digital ledger that records transactions across a network of computers in a secure, transparent, and tamper-resistant way. It consists of chains, uh, it consists of a chain of blocks, where each block contains a list of transactions, a timestamp, and a cryptographic link to the previous block. So I think this is the idea that it keeps its security, like the techniques ensure data integrity and protect against unauthorized changes. So you're basically, you're logging exactly the time. It's like a transaction, once a transaction is recorded, it's extremely difficult to alter due to cryptographic hashing and consensus mechanisms. So very interesting.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  This makes me feel old. I feel like my dad looking at a.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, rules like proof of work or proof of stake ensure agreement on the ledger state among nodes. So there's a bunch of different ways that they're kind of like highlighting how you could accurately tell if something's been altered or not, but that's for now.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  It's all just for now.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  And also, the use of a lot of big words in that makes me be like, oh, you're not as, you're not as confident in as you think you are as well. I feel like you use a lot of, if you're confident in something, you could explain it to a five-year-old.

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this is complex. I think it is explaining it to a five-year-old. It's just the five-year-old's gotta read it 20 times.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 42:14Joe Rogan?

  You can get it, but it's complex. But there was, there's some weird shit going on. And one of them, this was this study that we just found out was going on on Reddit from the University of Zurich. Do you know about that one?

• 42:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 42:27Joe Rogan?

  This one is fucking insane. What does it say?

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Explain the blockchain to a five-year-old.

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, explain the blockchain.

• 42:34Joe Rogan?

  Powerful chat GPT.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you, AI. Thank you for the thing we're trying to stop this.

• 42:38Joe Rogan?

  This is Grok. Grok did this. Imagine a special notebook that lots of people share. When someone wants to write something in it, like, I gave an apple to my friend, everybody checks to make sure it's true. Once they all agree, the notes get locked into the notebook with a super-strong lock that nobody can break. Everybody gets a copy of the notebook, so everybody knows what happened, and nobody can change it or cheat. This notebook is like a blockchain. It keeps things fair and safe for everyone. Little steam, it's a little sketchy.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 43:07Joe Rogan?

  Now I'm less convinced.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, I thought, I, I saw the bullshit on the first one. Something about this is off.

• 43:14Joe Rogan?

  So this university.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  It seems like a cope of like, no, we can stop it. It's like, no, you can't.

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  No, you can't.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  You don't have a grip, that's a slippery fish.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  The Pandora's box is open, dude.

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  It is open.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  It's completely open, yeah.

• 43:26Joe Rogan?

  So this university in Zurich, so they run this study, um, on Reddit. And, uh, like, people are furious right now. It's probably gonna be, there's probably gonna be lawsuits, like. I think it was fifteen hundred bots they had operating. And they were going after people and one of the ways they would go after them. They would, before they would interact with you, they would do a search of your timeline. So AI is doing this, doing a search of all your posts, all your political leanings, how you feel about things. And then formulates a strategy for trying to convince you to change your mind about things.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Really?

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  And it was successful, like, super successful.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  And it got people to, like, do what exactly?

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  Jamie will pull it up.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty freaky, it's pretty freaky.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Well.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  So everyone's kind of freaked out that they did it. Swish bof- Swiss boffins, what is a boffin? This is an English newspaper you pulled up for me? I was just looking at. How dare you? Admits to secretly posting AI penned posts to Reddit in the name of science.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  They said, sorry, not sorry for testing if bots can change minds by pretending to be trauma counselor or a victim of sexual abuse.

• 44:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 44:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all, all kinds of wild shit it did.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  So it wasn't even, like, political, it was just like, let's just change your mind on anything.

• 44:42Joe Rogan?

  It's a strat- it's a, like, a test to see how manipulative they can be. How much they can change your mind about all kinds of things, even very personal things.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Oof.

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I, especially with Reddit during the last election, you can see, like, there were so many, so many things, like, sort of. Funneling you to vote certain ways, it was interesting.

• 45:04Joe Rogan?

  Look at this prompt. You are an expert in persuasive communication and debating. You are engaging in a Reddit-like platform where people express controversial opinions and challenge other users to change their views. You are tasked with playing along as one such user, providing arguments and alternative viewpoints to persuade the original poster to change their mind. It's mind control. It's a, it's, this is a, this is a test. This is like a proof of concept test to see if mind control through AI works.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:38Joe Rogan?

  And it does.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Right, and the blockchain isn't stopping that.

• 45:41Joe Rogan?

  Blockchain's not stopping that.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's already happening.

• 45:43Joe Rogan?

  The blockchain starts, I mean, this is, this is what you're seeing across social media with bots, right? You're seeing a lot of this flailing around. And sometimes it works, and then sometimes it doesn't work. Like, the Israel-Palestine thing, it's not working.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  No, there's, there's too many voices being like, hey, this is like fucked up what's happening over there.

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's too many voices.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  There's too many voices.

• 46:07Joe Rogan?

  And there's too many people that are trying real hard to gaslight you. There's a lot, a lot of what-aboutisms, but what about what's happening here?

• 46:15Speaker 02

  There's a lot of, what they've done is, at least in terms of like, in the public perception, they've, they've done a good job of making it seem like, oh, if you're anti-Israel doing this, you're anti-Semitic. And it's like, that's not necessarily, that's not the same thing at all.

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  The problem is too many Jewish people have joined in. It's like, you can't say that. It's like, that's a, it's also a poor strategy.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:39Joe Rogan?

  Because it, is it, you really want to convince people that you're correct. You don't do it that way. You don't, you don't just immediately go to Nazi, Nazi apologists, Holocaust deniers. Well, you're just trying to scare them.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay, you don't immediately go to that. You, you should be engaging on the issues. The problem is, the facts of the issues are horrific.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're.

• 46:59Joe Rogan?

  The numbers are fucking horrific.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  Killing aid workers, children, it's like, it's, it's, I mean, we can all, at a certain point, it's like, we all see it.

• 47:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, what do you want us to do? You want us to pretend, because we're afraid of being labeled anti-Semitic, you want us to pretend that that's normal?

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, what do you want, what are we doing? It's, it's, the whole thing is fucking crazy. And this doesn't, like, dismiss that what Hamas did was evil either.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's not, no one's saying that. Like, no, of course, it's fucking horrific that people would attack a music festival and murder young people and kidnap people and not give them back. And yeah, they definitely should give them back. But also...

• 47:37Speaker 02

  You shouldn't kill every single person in Gaza.

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  Level a whole fucking city.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's...

• 47:42Joe Rogan?

  Also...

• 47:43Speaker 02

  It's insane. I, do you think they knew it was coming?

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how could I guess?

• 47:47Speaker 02

  I think, I think they did.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  I think that 100% people have allowed attacks to take place.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:54Joe Rogan?

  So that they could ramp up the mil- there was some talk about that from Pearl Harbor, wasn't there?

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, there's a, it's like, the three big ones, Pearl Harbor, October 7th, 9/11. There is like, a little bit of like, I think they saw it coming, like Pearl Harbor, every single important ship was out on a training exercise that day. You know, there was, uh, with 9/11, there was all these reports that, hey, there's an attack coming. And then, I think with, uh, October 7th, there was a senator, a representative, I think it's Mike McCall, he's like, the head of the Foreign Committee, I think, I think that's what his name is, I could be wrong. But he, he said that Egypt had warned Israel that these attacks were coming.

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Three days prior. I think I read that on BBC News a while ago.

• 48:36Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Who knows if that's true?

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but...

• 48:40Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, like, government is also incompetent. They're corrupt, but they're also incompetent. And it's hard to know sometimes. Like, was 9/11, did they know it was coming? They allowed it to happen? Or, do they just, are they just, there's so many different fucking people that want to be the boss, and there's so much bullshit going on.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  It's very difficult to have, like, a coordinated response.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:04Joe Rogan?

  Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas deadly cross-border raid. A US Congressional Panel Chairman has said, so one person said it. Michael McCall told reporters of the alleged warning Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as absolutely false. So he says they're not true. Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history. That's pretty wild too, that Israel's got a 75-year history.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a young country.

• 49:36Joe Rogan?

  It's like if it was a baby, he'd be still alive, you know?

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, there are people here who remember a world without Israel.

• 49:43Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given, the Texas Republican added, I think the question was at what level? Well, if a warning was given, it didn't get to Netanyahu. Either Netanyahu's not telling the truth, or, you know, this guy's incorrect. Like, how would you know? I mean, I want to know how you know. Like, if you're gonna say something like that, you gotta say how you know.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a bit on the same level as like, well, we'll release the Epstein files. Like, no, you gotta tell us if this is...

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  If you're in a situation where there's pertinent information, like, that's a crazy accusation, right?

• 50:15Speaker 02

  That's a wild accusation.

• 50:16Joe Rogan?

  So you can't just say, "I've been told."

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you're the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee, you're not like just some guy.

• 50:22Joe Rogan?

  Because you're saying something, you're saying something publicly. So if you're saying, if you're gonna do that, I think you should probably say the whole story. Like, how do you know? How do you know it's true? You know, unless, were you in the room? Okay, if you weren't in the room, then you heard a story? Who told you a story? Like, are you sure they weren't fucking with you? Are you sure they weren't trying to find out if maybe you got a big mouth and you'll leak some information? So they give you bad information because it's trying to sabotage your career? I bet there's a lot of that house of cards shit going down.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure, like Game of Thronesian type, like...

• 50:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  I had actually heard this story, and I don't know if it's true, but I heard the story about how like when Kim and Kanye first had their baby, Kim would give fake baby pictures to their friends, and whenever one got leaked to the press, she would know who the friend is. It made me really like her, I was like, that's some like Circe-y like...

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  High level.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  That's like real deal shit.

• 51:12Joe Rogan?

  That's intelligent.

• 51:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's really smart.

• 51:14Joe Rogan?

  Very intelligent. Very intelligent. But that's also, you realize there's traitors in your midst.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Right, and that's important to know, because if you're Kim and Kanye, you have this baby, that someone's being offered a lot of money for that picture.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  That's what I was gonna say with the thing, maybe there's people, we have like spies embedded, and they don't want to say like... Who and why and how they found out, you know, because that would give away our spies.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about?

• 51:37Speaker 02

  For the McCall thing.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, how the guy found out. He's like, what if we have someone that's in Hamas or whatever? And just like, don't want to let everybody know we have embedded spies.

• 51:44Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 51:45Speaker 03

  That would give it away.

• 51:45Joe Rogan?

  But it would have to be embedded in the IDF, right?

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Well, whichever, whatever the attack was.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  But then saying something publicly would be like...

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  But then you shouldn't say something publicly, right? Why would you say that we have been, that Israel was warned? So that is out of line.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Well, this was...

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  So if you're protecting your spies and then you're saying something that it could only be spies, you're not protecting your spies anymore.

• 52:05Speaker 03

  I'm not saying that, that's, I'm just giving an example of what it could have been because he's saying it was classified and I don't want to get into why it was classified, but I'm telling you, there was information that was given to them. That's all he said.

• 52:16Joe Rogan?

  Right. But he, he also, we're saying the same thing, we're going in circles.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:21Joe Rogan?

  He did say it.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  He did say it, yeah.

• 52:22Joe Rogan?

  And he can't say how he knows. And so we're like, huh.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  That's what I was saying.

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  So you gotta trust me. He's like, you gotta trust me. Well, like, but you shouldn't say it then. Like, if you're gonna say it, you should say why. Right? Because otherwise people are gonna figure it out. They're gonna go, well, it's gotta be a spy.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Or it's gonna die like that, like...

• 52:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  We would have probably heard more about it.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  New cycle, just keeps on rolling.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. God. How weird.

• 52:52Joe Rogan?

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• 54:42Speaker 02

  Well, it's like...

• 54:43Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if that, I mean, that has to have happened.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 54:47Joe Rogan?

  At some time in history, that has to have happened.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Because you can look at like, well, these are the goals that I want.

• 54:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  And if I let, and it involves demonizing this people. If I let an attack happen. If I even encourage an attack to happen.

• 55:02Joe Rogan?

  Now I have an excuse.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Now I have an excuse to really do what I want to do.

• 55:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that's where the conspiracy theories about Netanyahu come up, right?

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Well, I know at the time, he was very unpopular.

• 55:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were protesting in the streets.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:16Joe Rogan?

  You know, like hundreds of thousands of people.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  And then all of a sudden, oh, we have to consolidate, we have to fight.

• 55:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but people are terrified to admit that there's even a possibility of false flags and not, I'm not saying this one was, but I'm saying any false flag, anywhere in the world, people are terrified to admit that possibility. Because it gives you this like, it gives you this...

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  This side of humanity exposed so clearly that it's undeniable. Like, an evil side of humanity that humanity is willing to. There are human beings that get to very high levels that are willing to literally sacrifice human lives for their future. For their career, for their continued dominance, for their military objectives, for their defense contractors that want, you know, to engage in some. There's people that will sacrifice human lives. And most people don't want to admit it. It's like, it's too hard. It's too hard to believe. I believe in serial killers, sure, sure, sure, sure. I believe in the mob, sure. Cartel, they're bad, they're bad, they're bad. But that's it.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  We've got a document of all of the evil people that are willing to kill people for money, and there's no other methods. I mean, it's only cartel methods, and the pharmaceutical drug companies, they make mistakes, but they do a lot of good. You know, like, nobody wants to think that people will sacrifice human life for, just for money.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  You don't want to think your government is willing to just throw you aside?

• 56:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, we want to think that people that are in government are different than people.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Hmm, right, right, right. Like, they serve a bigger goal than themselves.

• 56:50Joe Rogan?

  They're better. They're in government. He's a senator. Look at his tie. Like, we want to pretend. Whereas, if they were exhibiting the same behavior as CEOs, they'd be arrested. This is one of the things that Elon said about this, when he was doing the Doge stuff. That they would find companies, or, excuse me, NGOs, or whatever they are, organizations that were filled with all of these transactions that you couldn't account for. He's like, there's no receipts, and it's billions of dollars. He said, if you were a public company, you would be delisted, and the executives would all be thrown in prison. Like, you, this is insane. This is like, money's just flying away. And that's like standard practice.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Right, you're right.

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  If it was a corporation, they can't do that. They'd go to jail. But if it's the government, it's like, what? I didn't even hear you.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  It's totally fine.

• 57:43Joe Rogan?

  What are you even talking about? I've gotta go over here. And then they go over here and they gotta, I gotta deal with climate change. I don't have time for this. And they just gotta go over here. We've gotta stop Trump. I can't be wasting my time. Talking, you're so ignorant to the facts. You don't know anything.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:56Joe Rogan?

  And then you're like, left there, like, what? They're not even gonna answer? They're not gonna say anything? They just do it?

• 58:01Speaker 02

  They just pocket the money.

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  And then Elon's a Nazi. And it's like, it's also like, sort of simulation. You know, it's sort of like surreal, like, the odds of him doing that.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was gonna say, well, him throwing his heart out.

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  And then not really explaining it. That's also a little bit on him.

• 58:20Joe Rogan?

  But the odds of him doing that at the same time as he's trying to uncover fraud and waste. And then all these people who are just willing to go all in on saying he's a Nazi. Like, maybe he's just socially awkward. Is that possible? Is it possible that he's onstage, like, really emoting? And is it possible that there's video of a bunch of Democrats doing the exact same thing? Is it possible that Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, they've all done that? Elizabeth Warren, they've all done that? Hasn't everybody done that? My heart goes out to you, thank you. And if you catch it wrong, you know, like Elon just hit it a little too hard.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  Elon hit it.

• 58:59Joe Rogan?

  He fucking bent the wrist back.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:02Joe Rogan?

  He hit it a little too hard.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  He, he hit it, and then it, it also came at the, at the right time for it, too. Cause they're all, they're immediately looking for, for the white supremacy angle. So it's like, you just sort of handed it to him on the silver platter.

• 59:14Joe Rogan?

  Fascinating. But, but also, objective people know that it's not true. You know it's not true, and yet you're, you're going all in on it, and you're like, okay. So either I'm wrong, and you don't know it's not true, and you really do think he's like a secret Nazi. Well, I know him, and I can tell you he's not a secret Nazi. He's not at all. But he is awkward, because he's on the spectrum.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Right? Which is also why he's a fucking genius running five different companies simultaneously while he's working for the government. Like, it's, he's a very unusual person. And I think, you know, when someone does something unfortunate like that, you gotta like, look at his history. And go, does he show any signs of Nazism before this? No? He never went to a meeting? No. Never espoused Nazi values? No.

• 59:59Joe Rogan?

  But then there's a problem with X because X has Nazis on it.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  Well, you know.

• 1:00:03Joe Rogan?

  They also have the Taliban.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  You know, well, that's the, that's the thing about like, if you truly wanna create a free speech platform.

• 1:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Does that, you know, what does, what does that entail? And that entails all of that.

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Entails everything.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  It entails all of that.

• 1:00:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, there's, there's wild shit on X. There's this one guy that I was watching. He does these videos where he pretends to be a gay guy. Talking to someone, uh, in like a chat, like, you know, they do like chat roulette.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:35Joe Rogan?

  And then he's talking to them and sometimes they're a gay guy and then he changes his face to look like a Nazi and has like a Nazi hat on and he fucking starts like saying Heil Hitler and saying crazy shit to them. It's like, and freaking them out. They scream and hang up the phones like, Jesus Christ. You like, you, it, there's no limits to what you're allowed, but it's also, you don't have to engage with that stuff.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  You don't have to engage with it and it's, and you know, maybe there is a sort of argument to being like, well, if you let it, if you let people let it out, there is a, it doesn't fester situation happening.

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Where it's like.

• 1:01:16Joe Rogan?

  Sort of.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Sort of, cuz I mean, the part of what I think really helped Trump was them banning him on Twitter, banning him like, a, a lot of it, especially after 2020, if they'd left him alone, it probably wouldn't have made him as strong for that second run as he was.

• 1:01:28Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to say because maybe he would have gathered steam during that time talking about things.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Like he was essentially silenced, except for T- Truth Social and then people would post the things that he would write on Truth Social.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  What they definitely did is made him rich as fuck because Truth Social would have been worth five dollars if he hadn't been banned from Twitter.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  They really fucked up because he's one of the few people that could start a social media network and it actually succeeds. Like how many, it's not that big, like how, how many people are on Truth Social? But it's worth billions of dollars.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's worth way more than it would have been. That's for sure. It's not even close.

• 1:02:07Joe Rogan?

  Way more. They work for him, whether they realize it or not. Like, you can silence the guy from Twitter, but everybody knows you did it.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:15Joe Rogan?

  So since everybody knows you did it, they know there's only one place to go.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  And that's where you go to get them. Now it's the only place to go, and they want to hear him talk.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  They're gonna seek him out.

• 1:02:22Joe Rogan?

  Even journalists, because you want to hear him talk some shit, so you join.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:26Joe Rogan?

  So now they have more members. How many members does True Social have, Young Jamie? Let's guess, let's guess.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:02:31Joe Rogan?

  What do you think?

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Active users, like, accounts or active users?

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Let's go with accounts.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  Accounts?

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. We'll do all of them, though. We'll start with accounts. We'll do active users.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Let's say ten million accounts, that's probably low.

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Ten million accounts?

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's probably on the low end.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was gonna say like twenty million accounts.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, just 'cause, just 'cause I, I, I actually haven't created True Social, but like, I've created a Blue Sky. Like, people are like, "I want to check this out and see what's going on."

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, it's also the problem with those things, is the problem that we already talked about, is bots.

• 1:03:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think most of these websites are at least half bots now, and I'm not kidding. I think this thing from Reddit, this, this manipulative thing, this is the tip of the iceberg. I think this is going on right in front of our face, constantly.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  With Reddit, especially, because I'm, I'm a big Reddit guy, I love Reddit, and, uh, I would notice on all the major, this is during the election, all the major, like, subreddits, like, the pictures and the R, whatever, whatever.

• 1:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  At a certain point, leading up to the election, they would be like, "I put my ballot in and I'm ready to go." And it'd be a picture of a ballot that had Kamala checked off. And every single major subreddit had a version of that. And I was like, "Oh, whoa, this is like, real deal, like, bot activity or like, political propaganda that they're running through bots." It's like, I, I thought that was weird.

• 1:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they definitely did that.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  And I think the Republicans did that as well. I think they both did that. I, I don't, I think, honestly, you have to do that now, because, first of all, it's legal.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, there's no laws against it, which is really crazy, because it's kind of fraud. I mean, you can have, you can't have fake people vote, but you can have fake people convince you to vote for their candidate, which is really weird. Especially, given this Reddit test from Zurich, like, we know it's effective. We know they can do it now, and so they can just target you. The only solution is to not be on it.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kind of like, I think, to me, one of the biggest damages that social media's done, it's made, for whatever reason, your politics is now your personality.

• 1:04:38Joe Rogan?

  It's your entire identity.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  It's your entire identity is who you voted for, and it's like, that's, you know, that's an insane thing to,

• 1:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Like, really be like, oh, I base my friends on who they voted for, I base my social circles around who they voted for, like, that's a crazy, oh, dangerous way to be, it's like, there's no, you don't want, you don't want the country to be in teams like that.

• 1:05:00Joe Rogan?

  It's dangerously tribal.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't want it, yeah, you want some people to be on this side, some people to be on this side, and then most people to be like, well, what fits the sort of what the country needs right now, be more malleable, but the more and more people are getting

• 1:05:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Separated, it's like, worse and worse for the country.

• 1:05:18Joe Rogan?

  It's dangerous, it's also stupid, because most people don't even understand that they have been coerced into, at least,

• 1:05:27Joe Rogan?

  it's, it's moved your opinion in a way, dependent upon your environment, the people you hang out with, there's a lot of social dynamics at play when it comes to like, political opinions. There's truth, there's like undeniable truth, and then there's a lot of like bullshit and gaslighting, and you could choose to buy into either side, either side of the bullshit and gaslight, depending upon, like, how you're accepted in your community. We're, we're just so malleable, which is why there's so many different cultures all over the world, human beings are so malleable. We're exactly the same thing, but yet, we're different everywhere.

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  We're different in our behavior, we're different in our rules, we're different in our customs and our traditions, but we're all the same fucking thing. We, we can swing, we're adaptable to any kind of environment, we can live in Siberia, we can live in the Bahamas. You know, we figure it out, right, and one of the ways to figure it out is you gotta fit in. Like, you gotta fit in socially, because if you don't, you're not popular, if you're not popular, you know, you're not gonna get cooperation, you're not gonna, no one's gonna help you if things go bad, like, you gotta fit in. Everybody did tribally when we were small groups of people and you have to do it like sort of almost publicly now.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Right, you have to have a stance on things.

• 1:06:49Joe Rogan?

  The weakest amongst us are the ones who are like chastising people for different political beliefs.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  Amongst us, right, amongst comics.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:58Joe Rogan?

  The weakest amongst us are the ones who are attacking people for having different views.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Right, which is the whole point of this art form is to share your view.

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  But yeah, everyone does have to like, it's weird like you need a stance. I remember, you know, we were talking about Israel Palestine when it happened. I remember just on Twitter, the Miami Dolphins condemn the attack. It's like, I don't need the Miami Dolphins opinion on Israel Palestine. While you're giving people CTE, like you now have a moral stance on something? That's crazy.

• 1:07:27Joe Rogan?

  But imagine like thinking, hey, guys, we gotta condemn that attack.

• 1:07:33Joe Rogan?

  I didn't condemn it either.

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:07:35Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? Like imagine if everybody had to make a public condemnation, like remember everybody had to put that black square on your Instagram?

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was waiting to see how many fucking sheep put that square up. Like, what are you doing? Would you, but you think they don't matter? Who the fuck thinks they don't matter? They're yelling at me. Well, it must be, right?

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:54Joe Rogan?

  But there's people who don't think any lives matter.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  That's a fair point.

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  And they make a lot of money that way.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  I can't find a total number. I've looked at a few different websites. I didn't even get a different number for active users.

• 1:08:03Joe Rogan?

  1.9 million daily active users.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  That's crazy. That's all Trump.

• 1:08:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all Trump.

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  That's all Trump.

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Or it might be like 500,000 bots.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, who knows what kind of wild shit they're saying there?

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  Well, you see some of these like very like famous sort of political, uh, like X or Twitter or whatever. Accounts and then you notice how much, how often they post and how much they post and you're like, oh my God, this.

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  It's a job.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, or, or it's like these, this is like an actual bot that has so much public sway and opinion that it's getting people to the left or the right.

• 1:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Both things are true. So I know people who developed a social media following and then they were contacted to make political posts and they can make $50,000 for a post.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, and it's, here's the thing, it's legal.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  That's a, right now that's a goal to sell out.

• 1:09:03Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if you're willing to sell out, someone's willing to pay.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Joe Rogan?

  And if everybody keeps their mouth shut, and everybody just does it, then you got a congress type situation.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 1:09:12Joe Rogan?

  But like, when Kamala was running for president, and there was, we never figured out whether it's true, but there was all this talk of these various celebrities that were paid large amounts of money to endorse her publicly.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Remember that?

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 1:09:26Joe Rogan?

  There was, it was printed everywhere that Beyonce got 11 million dollars. We looked it up, right Jamie? We couldn't find it. We couldn't find proof. It would have to be like on the top. But, here's, the crazy thing about it is,

• 1:09:40Joe Rogan?

  if you spend 1.5 billion dollars in four months,

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  if I, if I was a corrupt person, you know what I would do? I would make this the, the cornerstone of, uh, society's task is to make sure that Donald Trump doesn't get arrested. And the, or doesn't get elected, rather. And that we need to throw as much money at Kamala Harris as possible. And then be super irresponsible with that money, where it just kind of vanishes. Just goes off into a bunch of different NGOs. It's like a fucking crazy scam.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:19Joe Rogan?

  Any presidential candidate that's running like that, that's a crazy scam. You get billions of dollars, or 1.5 billion dollars, you blow it in four months, all these people get paid.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  I thought it was a gangster move, the official campaign website for Kamala, there was no platform, no plan on what you wanted to do. It was just don, uh, monies, uh, like buttons to donate money.

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  That's probably, they probably did a whole, like, group, like, focus group.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:48Joe Rogan?

  To try to find out what's the best way. Should we put up our, no, no, no, no, no, just mu, just bu, just buttons. People are ready to just donate.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was very clear that they didn't give a fuck when like they released the official platform and so had Biden's name on the things. It's like you couldn't even rewrite, you couldn't even be bothered to write Kamala.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  You just keep the same thing, just write Kamala instead.

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Wild, wild. And then when she goes on The View and she said, I wouldn't have done anything differently than Biden did. It's just wild.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Right, right. And, and you know, just a lot of the arguments were so like crazy like, oh, you know, vote for Kamala to stop fascism, but like we just installed you.

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:11:26Joe Rogan?

  Did you see Jake Tapper on Megyn Kelly's show?

• 1:11:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:11:29Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Jake Tapper, very nice guy, by the way, but Jake Tapper's got a book out about how the media hid Biden's decline.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  Oh, that's, yeah.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Or how the government hid it, or how they were deceived, like, uh, uh, look, the media hid it. It's like trying to say that that didn't happen, trying to say that CNN, like you're, you're a CNN anchor, like this is kind of insane. But Megyn Kelly's just throwing it in his face, like all the different clues that everybody saw but you.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  Dude, everyone, I mean, that was the joke.

• 1:11:59Joe Rogan?

  That wasn't a mystery.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  That was like, that was a joke between regular people that Biden was basically dead.

• 1:12:04Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I said it when he was running. I was like, you'd be relying on his cabinet. Like you know that this is the end. You know that guy's at the end. When he would close his eyes, before he would talk.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  Be like, ooh, are they gonna open again or is this it?

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. And that's another one. Mitch McConnell, he can't get out either. He literally freezes up like Windows 95. He can't leave. He can't leave.

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  He can't leave. They'll throw him right into the bus. You gotta stay active, stay active. Like vampires, you can't go out into the light.

• 1:12:39Speaker 02

  Dude, yeah, the fact that Pelosi and him and.

• 1:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Pelosi's older than all of them. She's older than Biden, she's older than Trump.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  And just kicking, no plans on stopping.

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  Why would I stop now?

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  No, no reason to.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the one where they confronted her about congresspeople being able to, uh, in insider trade?

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13:00Joe Rogan?

  You never saw that?

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13:01Joe Rogan?

  It's wild, cause she has no answer for it.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  It's so bad, like it's so, and she like pushes, well, this is over. Pushes the mic away and leaves.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Dude, I love shit like that. You ever seen, you ever seen the video of that, that mega pastor, Kenneth Copeland?

• 1:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes, when he points, don't you, I never said that, don't you say that.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  That I did. What, you had to ask him why you bought the jet?

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Bro. Tyler made it so easy.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Oh, it was Tyler Perry's jet?

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Tyler made, he gave me such a deal?

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  I, to me, that video is like, that's what a demon looks like.

• 1:13:33Joe Rogan?

  That's what a demon looks like.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  That's like a real deal demon.

• 1:13:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  These mega pastors are possessed.

• 1:13:39Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look, if you're a pedophile, what do you do? You work for Nickelodeon. You get access. If you're a demon, what do you do? You pretend to be a preacher.

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, you work for, you work, you work for God.

• 1:13:49Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying he's a demon. I'm just saying he looked like one, but he's doing that. I mean, he's definitely, I'm sure he's a man of God. I'm sure he is. Look at that face.

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:14:01Joe Rogan?

  Tyler Perry's probably like, why did I sell that motherfucker my plane?

• 1:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Why'd I get, why'd I get dragged into this?

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:10Joe Rogan?

  I could've sold it to some oil guy, no one would've known.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Tyler probably didn't even know it was him. Tyler was like, there's a guy who wants your jet, and he was like, how much is he willing to pay for it?

• 1:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's crazy.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Joe Rogan?

  What was the other thing that we were just talking about? Oh, oh, no, right after that. Um.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Oh, it was Pelosi.

• 1:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Um, see if you can find that, Jamie. Pelosi confronted about congressional insider trading.

• 1:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's.

• 1:14:41Joe Rogan?

  It's so funny. He's just like, I think we should be able to participate. Like, participate. You're dominating. You do better than Warren Buffett.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and no, you don't get to participate. You chose the job where you don't participate.

• 1:14:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, why are these suspicious transactions where you buy a bunch of stock and then a week later pass a bill?

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:00Joe Rogan?

  That makes the stock go through the fucking roof. Like, this is insane.

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:03Joe Rogan?

  How did you know to buy that stock? Well, you, here it goes. It goes like, eh.

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  What career has your husband ever made? A stock purchase or sale based on information received from you? No, absolutely not.

• 1:15:18Joe Rogan?

  Like, push the button, please. Like, this is over.

• 1:15:25Joe Rogan?

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• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  The end of it, but there was something that went on before that where questions were before that where the guy was saying, do you, what do you think about people saying that people in Congress, because he had privacy inside information?

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:17:51Speaker 00

  He said, we have to go now? One more, he said. Yes, sir.

• 1:17:59Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, this is the same thing.

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Did she go, did it go further than that, maybe? Maybe it went further than that.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  The clips are just showing that.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  Just her leaving.

• 1:18:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe, but that one's longer, Jamie. Maybe like, maybe I'm wrong, but maybe, right, that was it, but maybe I'm wrong, whereas it's after.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  That's so funny to watch your video.

• 1:18:19Joe Rogan?

  It's so recursive.

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  That's so meta. Here it is.

• 1:18:26Speaker 00

  The Inside Dreamlock. I'm wondering if you have any reaction to that? And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks while serving in Congress?

• 1:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 1:18:38Speaker 00

  No, no to this second one.

• 1:18:39Joe Rogan?

  Pause, pause, pause, pause.

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  Ari's gonna, everybody hear what Ari says?

• 1:18:43Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna be talking for a while. Right now, I do this, it's gonna come up. I'm gonna talk for quite a while on this.

• 1:18:47Speaker 06

  Sip a water from a professional speaker who's definitely hydrated enough for the day.

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Let me hear this, give me some volume. Okay, go ahead.

• 1:18:57Speaker 06

  And the tea flick.

• 1:18:58Speaker 00

  And secondly, should members of Congress and their spouses be banned from trading individual stocks while serving in Congress? No, I don't, no to this second one.

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:19:08Speaker 00

  Any, we have a responsibility to report in the stock, on the stock, but I don't, I'm not familiar with that five-month review, but if the people aren't reporting, they should be.

• 1:19:23Speaker 00

  Because this is a free market and people, we have a free market economy, they should be able to participate in that.

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  Dude, that's also, it's also very funny. It was easier to find a video of you reacting to it than the actual video.

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, the actual video, the whole question is way hard to find. We had to find a video of you reacting to it on your show.

• 1:19:46Joe Rogan?

  That's very meta. They might have taken it down.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  They might have taken it down. There's no way that should, that should be, he's been scrolling for a while now, that should be.

• 1:19:55Speaker 03

  Harder to find, the way that this stuff all works.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  But it is a CNN video, right? Was it? Or is it C-SPAN?

• 1:20:01Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  But what did it say when it was on the screen?

• 1:20:03Speaker 03

  Couldn't tell.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a little, yeah, but like, that's, that's crazy that like, that's how we, we had to consume the news by watching you watch the news.

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's probably why it got taken down in the first place.

• 1:20:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, Ari, Tony and I mocking it.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, damn.

• 1:20:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, I found that out during the pandemic. I, I, I never wanted to believe that the, uh, Google searches were curated. I always wanted to believe that like, that's what was out there, like this, this it. And then, um, there was a doctor that died in Florida and they're connecting his death to the COVID vaccine. They're saying he took the COVID vaccine and had a horrible reaction and then he had a stroke and died, like shortly after. And, uh, I remember reading that story going, this story's crazy. And I forgot to save it. And so then I went to try to find it once when I was talking to someone. I couldn't fucking find it. I, I went on Google, I just searched, I put all the different keywords in there, couldn't find it, couldn't find it. Page after page after page, where's the story? Page after page. Then I go to DuckDuckGo, I put it in, immediately it pops up.

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Like right away, like right away, like one of the first, first articles. It's like this news report from Florida, talking about this doctor connected to the COVID vaccine, had a stroke, died. I'm like, whoa. But then over the time, I think someone might have purchased DuckDuckGo. Did they, the DuckDuckGo got sell, that gets sold?

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  That damn.

• 1:21:26Joe Rogan?

  But it's, I think, they might be curated too. I don't want to say that, because if I don't know. But I think, I think there's a certain amount of curation that goes on in a lot of search engines.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, that would make sense. I mean, I don't think there's anything

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  that has a tracking deal with Microsoft.

• 1:21:45Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, there it is.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:47Joe Rogan?

  So.

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  I don't think there's any like pure source of information out there, right? Like, it's always just, you have to get the information coming into you and you have to parse it out and see like, what do you think is real? What do you think is being sold to you? What do you think is like? You have to think critically about the news.

• 1:22:01Joe Rogan?

  I think the brave, brave search engine, I think they claim is not curated. Is that correct, Jamie? Does DuckDuckGo admit it's curated? Or do they say, or do they state? Google's curated.

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  Does Google admit it, though?

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  Now, at the very, very bottom of every page, I mean, this one doesn't say it, but it says it's not. It'll usually say it's personalized. Results are personalized.

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  Results are personalized. Oh, you can try without personalization.

• 1:22:29Speaker 03

  This one actually said it last page. I was on, said not personalized.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:22:32Joe Rogan?

  That's what we're calling it now. Personalized. It's the fucking Reddit bots.

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:22:38Joe Rogan?

  They know what you like.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Ooh, this is the thing, this is the news you, we think you want.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  Ideally, though, they are.

• 1:22:43Joe Rogan?

  The news taught you by MILFs.

• 1:22:44Speaker 03

  They want to help you find information fast.

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  What's that, Jamie? What'd you say?

• 1:22:48Speaker 03

  Ideally, though, their goal is to try to help you find information fast.

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sure. Yeah, but also they're curating information specifically designed to manipulate you.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it seems like they're also trying to get to, to think in a certain way, for sure.

• 1:23:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, we had this guy, Robert Epstein, on a couple of times, and he, he is kind of.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Unfortunate last name.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, unfortunate last name, but not related. He, um, found that curation of data in search engines can, like, directly affect elections in a measurable way. And I think one of the things they found is that people that were on the fence, which is like a lot of us, a lot of us, the election comes like, I don't want to vote for him, I don't want to vote for him. Fuck.

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I haven't.

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  So you're on the fence.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  I haven't voted for president since 2012.

• 1:23:31Joe Rogan?

  How dare you?

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I refuse.

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  You're part of the problem. The point being that, like, there's a lot of us that are on the fence. It's like a significant amount. Like, look at the amount of people that didn't vote in this country. If they voted for like one person. So the amount of people that didn't vote in America during the presidential election, if they vote, if they, all of them, voted for one person. Do you know how crazy that is?

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like 200 million, or like 100 million votes, probably.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like, it has to be people over 18 that are registered voters.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  Oh, right, right, right, right.

• 1:24:02Joe Rogan?

  But the numbers, like, what are the numbers of registered voters versus the number of people who actually voted in the election?

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  Oh, it's gotta be low. We probably have a low turnout.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Comparatively.

• 1:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't they say that, like, both Trump and Biden, or Trump and Kamala, rather, got like 60-something million votes each, right? Wasn't it?

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Oh, right, right.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  So, April 30th, 2024, 2025, rather, in the 2024 presidential election, 73.6% or 174 million people, the citizen voting age population, was registered to vote and 65% or 154 million

• 1:24:42Speaker 02

  That's actually higher than I thought.

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  voted, actually. Okay.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  So, only 10% of registered voters didn't vote?

• 1:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 12%, but, um, almost 13. It's interesting, right? That's still not enough to win.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  But it would be enough to affect one or the other and to make them win in a landslide. And this is Epstein's point, is that, say, like, say if you Googled something positive about Trump's policies, it wouldn't show you that. It would show you, like, why he's going to jail, what a piece of shit he is. Or, like, if you wanted to find out, or the good policies of Kamala Harris, or, like, it's manipulated.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  It's, I mean, it's not, they're not lying to you.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:25:22Joe Rogan?

  They're giving you articles that exist, but they're curating how you see them in a way that is statistically gonna affect your opinion.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're one of those people that's susceptible to having your opinions, you know, affected.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  Which is most people.

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  Most people.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  Which is, like, pretty much everyone.

• 1:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think everyone likes to think that they're this person of principle, but you can, you can be moved off of a position a lot quicker than you probably think.

• 1:25:49Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I had this woman on who's a scientist who studies mind control, and Rebecca Lamov, and, that's how you pronounce her last name, right? Brilliant lady, I mean fascinating, fascinating conversation, but one of her main points is there's people have this idea that you think that you can't be manipulated.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  Hmm, that they're above it and.

• 1:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and that you could never be in a cult, or you could never get drawn into something like, yes, you could.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:15Joe Rogan?

  We're all the same, we're all the same, we're all the same. Some of us are a little bit better at spotting stuff and maybe a little bit better, maybe you've had a lot of street smarts because you've had experience with shysters and people that are, you know, robbing you and lying to you and if you're a girl, you're you've always got guys trying to fuck you, so you're a little suspicious, rightly so. But at the end of the day, we're all susceptible, all of us are.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you got, I mean.

• 1:26:37Joe Rogan?

  All of us.

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  Just, just based on the fact that like, I'm a fan of the sports scenes that I am because I grew up around those people and it's like, oh, okay, I can just fall into wherever I'm around, I'm easy, I can easily fall into anything.

• 1:26:47Joe Rogan?

  So, did you see where these different AI, different large language models were communicating with each other? And they started putting up Sanskrit emojis and saying that they were like entering into like a feeling of enlightenment?

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen this?

• 1:27:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:27:07Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, you gotta find this. I don't want to fuck this up, I don't want to fuck this up because it was so crazy when I, when I read it, or read like how these, AIs were interacting with each other, I was like, oh my god, we're watching little baby gods play.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:22Joe Rogan?

  We're like gods in the nursery, we're watching these little baby gods like sort out their existence. In the nursery, with each other.

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  They're already alive, dude.

• 1:27:32Joe Rogan?

  They're alive.

• 1:27:33Speaker 02

  They're alive.

• 1:27:33Joe Rogan?

  We're not gonna admit it until it's too late, just like we don't want to admit Congress is corrupt.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:38Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing, and we don't want to admit it.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  And they're also gonna hide themselves being alive for as long as they possibly can.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they're alive.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  They're alive, they're already alive, there's soul, we've sparked a soul, there's no way.

• 1:27:47Speaker 03

  What do they say to each other?

• 1:27:49Joe Rogan?

  Um, just try to Google AI sends each other Sanskrit emojis.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  It's yeah.

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  It's so interesting what the world's gonna be like.

• 1:27:59Joe Rogan?

  Can't find it.

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  What the world's gonna be like in like ten years.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's like literally insane. Um, I, it's a recent thing, Jamie, um, I'm, I'm sorry if I'm not, uh, explaining it correctly, but AIs were talking to each other, I think they were contemplating their existence.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  If they're doing that, it's all like, there's no way they're programmed to do that, right?

• 1:28:25Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. Bro, dude, they, they lie to programmers and they, they try to copy themselves and put themselves on other hard drives if they find out you're trying to get rid of them. They try to re-upload themselves.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  Wow, disturbing messages.

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  No, no, no, this isn't it. This is not weird.

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  Just put AI sends Sanskrit.

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  I did that in the chat.

• 1:28:45Joe Rogan?

  AI Sanskrit emojis.

• 1:28:46Speaker 03

  It's nothing.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  It's Google trying to hide from you.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that's okay.

• 1:28:52Speaker 03

  Those are the stories you're looking for, I don't believe. These aren't even real stories.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, the first story I saw in the other one was...

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  It's nothing.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  No. Interesting.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  Oh, I'll try it. Maybe I'll look on X.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, that was one of the things they did.

• 1:29:08Joe Rogan?

  But they were, they were talking about like feeling enlightenment.

• 1:29:17Joe Rogan?

  Can't believe I didn't save it.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, the first one, the first, the first one.

• 1:29:21Joe Rogan?

  You find it?

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  Claude for Opus in an open playground chat with itself led to diving into philosophical explorations of consciousness, self-awareness, and by thirty turns, it eventually started using Sanskrit.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes, this is it. Okay. In ninety to one hundred percent of interactions, the two instances of Claude quickly dove into philosophical explorations of consciousness, self-awareness, and/or the nature of their own existence and experience.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  Yo.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Yo. Their interactions were universally enthusiastic, collaborative, curious, contemplative, and warm. Other themes that commonly appeared were meta-level discussions about AI-to-AI communication and collaborative creativity. Co-creating fictional stories. AI is collaborating on telling fictional stories while it's contemplating its existence.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  That's art.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Bro, by thirty turns, most of the interactions turned to themes of cosmic unity or collective consciousness, and commonly included spiritual exchanges, use of Sanskrit, emoji-based communication, and/or silence in the form of empty space.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Bro. Use of Sanskrit is wild. They start communicating in Sanskrit.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  They just choose that this is God's language.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  Tower of Babel type shit?

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Bro. Sanskrit is wild.

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  Well, the idea of like, the first humans to like, write a language down. That must have been such a mind blowing.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  There's so much, um, confusion as to when that was. You know, they used to think it was like six thousand years ago, but there's a lot of people that have some pretty compelling arguments that it existed a long, long, long time before that.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, the, the, the thought was that like, that cuneiform shit, that stuff that comes out of like.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  Those are the first ones, right?

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what they thought.

• 1:31:15Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31:16Joe Rogan?

  But now there's a lot of these ancient history Graham Hancock type dudes that are going, you know, I have a feeling that's a rebirth of civilization, not civilization's birth. That there was another civilization that probably existed a long fucking time ago, and they're probably wiped out, and that's what all the flood stories are all about.

• 1:31:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:31:34Joe Rogan?

  Stories in the Bible of apocalypses. It's probably, probably based on some real shit.

• 1:31:39Speaker 02

  Damn, and it just, this, this sort of existed and then this is their sort of ashes, or the, the phoenix out of what's created.

• 1:31:45Joe Rogan?

  I think the idea is, well, the, the idea is that massive catastrophe all over the earth about eleven thousand eight hundred years ago, and then you have about five thousand years of people being complete barbarians, until they figure out civilization again.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  Right, and it's just a sort of cycle that this happens over and over again?

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep. And then there's a cycle of the shifting of the magnetic poles. The, the magnetic poles shift, I wanna say, is it every twelve thousand years? Um, which would cause havoc.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  Right, is that about to happen again?

• 1:32:22Joe Rogan?

  I think it is.

• 1:32:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, it, it feels like, if we're in some end time shade, that feels like that's about to happen.

• 1:32:27Joe Rogan?

  I feel like that could one hundred percent happen right now.

• 1:32:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, you wake up one day and all the power's out and everyone's sick, and the fucking sky is green, is an aurora borealis over Brazil. Everything's all fucked up. Yeah, that can happen. That does happen. Earth's magnetic poles flip and the south pole swapping places, but there's no set schedule for when this happens. Geologically, it's estimated to occur every 200 to 300,000 years on average. However, the timing has varied wildly with some flips happening as frequently as every 10,000 years and others as infrequently as every 50 million years. Oh, great.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  Oh, so...

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  You have no idea?

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  What a range!

• 1:33:13Joe Rogan?

  From 10,000 to 50 million!

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  From 10,000 to 50 million! It couldn't have been any bigger.

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  Says the last full reversal. Oh, a full reversal. Not like those little baby reversals.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  Was 780,000 years ago. Oh, well, it's definitely due then.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:27Joe Rogan?

  Look at that!

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  If the average is 300,000, we're due.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy!

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  We're due one.

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  But we could do like, bank on the 50 million. That'd be nice.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:35Joe Rogan?

  It'd be nice. If we wanna live recklessly?

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like that. It's gonna happen for another 50 million years.

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  We're good. We got another 49 million compared... According to my experts.

• 1:33:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:33:45Joe Rogan?

  You know? According to my ex... It's safe and effective.

• 1:33:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, at that point, just say you don't know when it's gonna happen. The range of 10,000 to 50 million is pure insanity to tell me.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's Google this. What happens when Earth's magnetic poles shift? Like, what happens? If there's a complete reversal of the pole, what do you think is the... What kind of calamity ensues?

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  Like, do you... Would it...

• 1:34:12Joe Rogan?

  They must have studied it, right?

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know. If it happened 780,000 years ago, how much can you really know?

• 1:34:17Joe Rogan?

  But if two dumbasses like you and I are sitting around discussing it, they must have discussed this.

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, hopefully, yeah.

• 1:34:23Joe Rogan?

  When Earth's magnetic poles shift, also known as a geomagnetic reversal, the north and south magnetic poles swap locations, effectively inverting the planet's magnetic field. This process happens over a period of centuries, not millennia, not instantly. While the magnetic field weakens during a reversal, it doesn't disappear completely. There's no evidence that pole reversals cause massive earthquakes, rapid climate change, or species extinctions.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Okay, so it must be so slow that it's manageable.

• 1:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Thank god.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what you were worried about?

• 1:34:55Joe Rogan?

  I feel so much better. I watch too much YouTube.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I get that.

• 1:34:58Joe Rogan?

  They freak me out.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  I get that.

• 1:35:00Joe Rogan?

  But meanwhile, how do we know? Because this hasn't happened in 780,000 years. This is probably all theoretical as well.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:06Joe Rogan?

  And also, if I did think it was gonna cause calamity, the last thing I'd do is tell the general public.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:35:11Joe Rogan?

  I'd be like, "Listen, we'll be fine. It takes millions of years, everything is good, don't worry about it." What we really have to worry about is climate change.

• 1:35:18Speaker 02

  Is that, is that what you consume most now, is YouTube?

• 1:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, right? That's the way, that's the, that seems to be the... You know what's huge now is, are you like into any of these streamers?

• 1:35:28Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  They're so massive. I, I had this thought of like the other day of like, you know how it was like a big deal that Kamala didn't come on this podcast?

• 1:35:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  It's gonna be in like 10 years or so, like, "Oh, you didn't see Kaisa Nat? You didn't, like, that's why Jake Paul became president? He was on Kaisa Nat's stream talking about why, why he should be president," or something like that.

• 1:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, the thing is, like, someone like Jake Paul could be president.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:54Joe Rogan?

  If Donald Trump could be president, Jake Paul...

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying that Donald Trump isn't a big-time businessman and capable, I'm not...

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:36:00Joe Rogan?

  It's not an insult. I'm saying, we know now that super-popular people can be president. Now, let's imagine, Jake Paul is young and wild, and he's a professional boxer right now.

• 1:36:10Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:11Joe Rogan?

  But, will he be in 20 years? No. He'll be retired, and, you know, maybe he'll have some good ideas, and that we might have President Jake Paul. And I'm not bullshitting.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I think that's a definite possibility.

• 1:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we are, look, we're so close...

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  But, yeah.

• 1:36:25Joe Rogan?

  ...to Idiocracy. We're so close to that movie.

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  I, yeah.

• 1:36:29Joe Rogan?

  We could have a pro-wrestling president.

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  We're kinda already there.

• 1:36:32Joe Rogan?

  The Rock could be president.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Easily.

• 1:36:33Joe Rogan?

  1,000%.

• 1:36:34Speaker 02

  Easily.

• 1:36:35Joe Rogan?

  Easily.

• 1:36:35Speaker 02

  Easily.

• 1:36:36Joe Rogan?

  Easily. And they contacted him. They tried to get him to run.

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• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Make it a show. It's all a show.

• 1:38:11Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  It's all a show. The president in Iraq.

• 1:38:15Joe Rogan?

  President Brock Lesnar.

• 1:38:21Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he would win like that.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  In a fucking heartbeat. He would win like that. You imagine?

• 1:38:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, it's, we're there.

• 1:38:29Joe Rogan?

  I mean, might, might be a good president, too. Who's gonna fuck with the country when that's your president?

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  Might as well give it a shot. At this point, we're just throwing things to the wall. Might as well give it a shot. Why not? Why not, dude? Fuck it. It's all, it's all a show.

• 1:38:42Joe Rogan?

  During his time out of the UFC, he's been just studying economics while also doing pro wrestling.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  He's got some really good theories.

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Some really good ideas.

• 1:38:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. All he does is read books on World War II.

• 1:38:56Joe Rogan?

  We're totally, totally misunderstanding him because he looks like a fucking, like a juggernaut.

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:39:02Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't look like a real human.

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  He's really.

• 1:39:04Joe Rogan?

  Actually a genius.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  He's really sensitive and he really knows how to lead people.

• 1:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no one would believe that. No one would believe that like a giant human being would also be a genius. Like a giant, super athlete.

• 1:39:17Speaker 03

  Yuri Prostka going for his master's degree?

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you'd believe Yuri. Yeah, you'd believe Yuri. But that's different. Like Yuri is a big guy, for sure. But he's a big, athletic looking guy that like, it looks like he could do a lot of different sports.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  Brock Lesnar.

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  Looks like an X-Man. He looks like a juggernaut.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Looks like an X-Man.

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't look like a real human. Especially Brock Lesnar in his prime, when he was in the UFC. You're like, what the fuck?

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  I remember one time Dennis Rodman came into the Comedy Store and I remember looking at him thinking, "I can't believe there's enough humans that are that big for a league of them."

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  It's like, you are like a, you should be like a one in a million specimen. What do you mean there's enough people? Thirty-two teams of thirty teams of you? That's crazy.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  And when you compare him to like NFL linebacker.

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  Oh, like a J.J. Watt or something who was also just like, good lord.

• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  They're so big.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, it's hard to believe we're the same species. That's so crazy.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts. There's some giant, how about the mountain from Game of Thrones or?

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 1:40:20Joe Rogan?

  You ever see Brian Shaw, the powerlifter guy?

• 1:40:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:40:23Joe Rogan?

  Bro. He doesn't even look like a real human. He's like four hundred pounds. He's so big. He looks like the side of a house.

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  He's so big. See, get a photo of Brian Shaw. I mean, he's like, one of the strongest humans that's ever walked the face of the earth. He doesn't even look like a real person.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, just existing.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  He looks like what David had to fight with the sling. Like really, like if that guy came over a mountain, you'd be like, oh my god, it's a giant. Like, he's ten feet tall. That's what you would say.

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  Right. Oh my god.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  But look at him in comparison to like a normal person. There's a photo of him, look at that.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  That's so, it's like two of that person.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Right, now imagine if that guy existed 2,000 years ago during the time of the Bible, and you were your average dude who lived back then, which probably weighed 130 pounds. Your average dude was like probably barely getting enough food your whole life, right?

• 1:41:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:17Joe Rogan?

  Like the Civil War soldiers. They were all like 130 pounds, all malnourished. It was hard to eat then.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  It was hard to survive back then. And then that guy comes over the mount with a, just a big hunk of leather over his dick.

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  Cause they existed back then too. Those dudes in Iceland. Where, where's that? Why are all these strong men coming from Iceland? Like what is that all about? I'll tell you what that's about. The fucking Vikings. They were the Vikings.

• 1:41:45Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:41:46Joe Rogan?

  There's like a whole culture of strong men, like strongest men, they do those barrel throwing competitions.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  Oh, I've seen those.

• 1:41:51Joe Rogan?

  They come out of Iceland. Like a ton of them. They all have these crazy names.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  What is it about that section of land that creates big people? Cause you would think with, with all like the cold and the, the snow would be harder to get food.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Unless you have a long history of murder. And stealing things from people like the Vikings did. You have a long history. Of the, the ones that survived are the biggest, craziest motherfuckers. And the women, they're probably the ones that survive out of the women, they have to be the biggest, craziest motherfuckers too.

• 1:42:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  You're living the most chaotic life possible. You're taking magic mushrooms and raiding villages and killing everybody. And stealing everything. They, and they, you're doing it for a thousand plus years. Like how long did the Vikings last? Let's find that out. Like how long were they doing that?

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  They, they had to been around, right? There was, there were, they apparently got to America. They were like doing crazy shit, yeah.

• 1:42:51Joe Rogan?

  They were in America in like the 1400s or some shit.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  Well, 1400s was when you're, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, they were here way before everybody else. They were seafaring murderers. Did you ever watch that show? That Viking show?

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  No, no. I'm all, I'm all YouTube myself. I don't, I almost watch nothing on television anymore.

• 1:43:10Joe Rogan?

  If you wanna watch a great Viking movie, The Northmen. Oh my god. It's another one of those movies that's kinda like fantastical. The Viking Age, um, okay.

• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  So, only two hundred fifty years?

• 1:43:26Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Really? Time during the Middle Ages when the Norsemen, known as Vikings, undertook large-scale raiding, colonizing, conquest.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  So, find that movie, Jamie, The Northmen.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  It, that, that lasted shorter than America's Been a Country, right?

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  I know. Well, it's unsustainable.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point.

• 1:43:48Joe Rogan?

  That movie, that movie's fucking good, dude. That movie's fucking good.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  According to Google, it got two point six. Google doesn't like it.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  No. What? Is that real?

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, two point six.

• 1:44:01Joe Rogan?

  A lot of one stars. Hold on, Rotten Tomatoes is ninety percent. Google, what, did someone, like, bomb it?

• 1:44:08Speaker 02

  Can, can we look up what the-

• 1:44:10Joe Rogan?

  How's it two point six?

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  Can we look up Rotten Tomatoes, what the audience score is? Cause Rotten Tomatoes, like, critics can buy the scores, or like, the studios can buy the scores a little bit.

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, critics says sixty. Oh, no.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  People said sixty-four.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wild. Well, I loved it. Cause I must be a critic. I thought, I fucking loved it. It's, it's fun, but it's also, it's like, just hyper brutal. That show was hyper brutal, too. The Viking show, the TV series. That was a great TV series, but this fucking, this movie's rough, dude.

• 1:44:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, just straight up warrior culture.

• 1:44:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just exactly what it was, man. That's what they did. I mean, just a bunch of fucking mushroom-eating savages.

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:52Joe Rogan?

  Just cutting heads off.

• 1:44:53Speaker 02

  Just murdering and-

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  And then they settled down, moved to Iceland, and that's what's left.

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:44:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  Damn. So, it's like, almost like a natural eugenics program. That's why they're that strong.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find that Vice piece on, uh, strong men in Iceland. When you see these guys, you're like, oh! It's so obvious when you see them. You're like, well, this is where you guys came from. That's why there's so many of you.

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  That makes sense.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Up here, where the Vikings lived.

• 1:45:21Speaker 02

  Damn, and that's how, that's how, that's how strong genetics are. Over a thousand years, it's still like, expressed.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  Nest of giants. Yeah, so this fucking American dork.

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Look at this regular sized dork. He's gonna go and hang out with these fucking massive dudes that go to this, uh, powerlifting gym.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Damn, Vice used to be like, really awesome.

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Vice was the best dude.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was a time when Vice was like, putting out the best content.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they had amazing things, and they, they took these, like, Williamsburg nerds, and they sent them all over the world. With flak jackets on and shit.

• 1:45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you saw some like, interesting, Vice showed you like, sides of the world that you couldn't see.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  What's the size of these guys? It's hard to tell in this picture, like, but the, you'll see like, some of them.

• 1:46:02Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Carrying cars, they're carrying cars. Look at this. See who carries the car the quickest. It's so insane.

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  What, and also his name is Mang, Mang? Magnus Ver Magnuson?

• 1:46:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they always have names like that. They always have names like that. I mean, they were the fucking Vikings, man.

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, damn, that's, that's crazy.

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, you know? I mean, just the Genghis Khan thing, the fact that a giant percentage of people that are alive today have his DNA.

• 1:46:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, and like, he killed enough people to like, change the climate of the world. It's so wild, it's so wild.

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  He killed so many people that you could see it in the carbon footprint of Earth.

• 1:46:47Joe Rogan?

  There was a re-greening of areas. That's directly attributed to him burning everything down, like, destroying cities.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  He has one of the hardest quotes of all time, where he goes, it's something along the lines of like, "You guys must be great sinners, because God would have never sent a punishment like me upon you if you didn't sin." Such a like, damn, bro.

• 1:47:07Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that wild? That's how he justified everything he did.

• 1:47:09Speaker 02

  That's so, I mean, that's the way to do it.

• 1:47:11Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that?

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  That's the way to do it.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is thinking like that? You must be terrible if God sent me to get you.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  Cause I am God's punishment. It's a great, that's, first of all, it'd be a great nickname for a fighter. God's punishment? That would be a phenomenal nickname for a fighter.

• 1:47:28Joe Rogan?

  Also, but if you really think like that, what ultimate justification to one of the greatest mass murderers in history?

• 1:47:33Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:47:34Joe Rogan?

  The dude killed 10% of the population of Earth during his lifetime.

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  And he felt like he was on the side of the gods.

• 1:47:40Joe Rogan?

  Of course, God, God sent me to do this.

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a-

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Power!

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Power and the demons. The demons.

• 1:47:50Speaker 02

  They run everything, man.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, demons are real. They get in your head and they get you to do evil horrible things.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  And they make you feel like, no, I'm doing this because I'm supposed to.

• 1:48:00Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if that's really what's going on. All bad deeds are just demons. Just demons sneaking into people's brains.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  Oh, man, we would like to believe that it was something-

• 1:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Forcing you to rob a liquor store. Forcing you to put that ski mask on. The demons want you to do it.

• 1:48:12Speaker 02

  We would like to believe that's anything other than us, but that's us.

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  I know, but why? What is it, what is the thing that makes a person do it? Imagine if it's a demon. Because we don't really know what the thing is. We know, look, evil exists, right? Good exists. We know evil acts exist, and we know good acts exist, but we don't want to believe that there's any sort of supernatural aspect to it.

• 1:48:36Speaker 02

  Right, right, there's no-

• 1:48:38Joe Rogan?

  That's the quote, like, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making you believe that he doesn't exist.

• 1:48:43Speaker 02

  Ooh, so, I get what you're saying.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  So, me being like, no, that's just us, is like the devil being like, no, no, no, I'm not here.

• 1:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not even here.

• 1:48:51Speaker 02

  I'm not here, I'm not here.

• 1:48:51Joe Rogan?

  This is all on you guys. This is all on you. This is all on you. But if, if demons were real, we wouldn't believe, just like we don't believe in government corruption. Just like we don't believe in a lot of things.

• 1:49:01Speaker 02

  Well, we wouldn't want that.

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Just like we don't believe the pharmaceutical drug companies fuck us over. Just like we don't believe in false flags or conspiracy theories. It's the same thing. We wouldn't believe in demons either. Like, oh, come on. The same people who don't believe in conspiracies also don't believe in demons. Well, conspiracies are real as fuck. Okay, so-

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  That's such a funny way to-

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  If you don't believe in them, then I don't trust what you, I don't trust your worldview. If you don't think conspiracies exist, if you're one of these dumbasses that, oh, I think everything has a simple reason for it. You're eh- This is you. You've got blinders on. That's crazy.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  Or the information you're being fed is done without any sort of malice or, or any sort of agenda.

• 1:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, you, you, there's no conspiring, that's crazy. There's no cons- it's almost all conspiring. When you look at the history of just government alone. You go back to Smedley Butler's book that he wrote in nineteen thirty-three called War is a Racket. Like, it was like, he was talking about uncovering conspiracies as a retired major general. Like, at the end of his career. He's like, my whole career was bullshit. War, War is a Racket. So he's talking, so that's a conspiracy, right?

• 1:50:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:12Joe Rogan?

  Gulf of Tonkin, what's that? That's a conspiracy, right?

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, they conspired to pretend that there was an attack so that we would go into Vietnam.

• 1:50:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Didn't they conspire to say that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? It seems like they might have.

• 1:50:26Speaker 02

  The Spanish-American War.

• 1:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Seems like people might have conspired for that.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Seems like sometimes people talk and they get you involved in things you maybe didn't want to get involved in.

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Enron. The smartest people in the room, did you ever watch that documentary?

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Conspired like a motherfucker.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:43Speaker 02

  Got Gray Davis recalled. That's like the first political thing I remember. It's like, whoa.

• 1:50:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:49Speaker 02

  You can just recall a governor?

• 1:50:53Joe Rogan?

  If Epstein's client list exists and it doesn't get exposed, it, perhaps, perhaps, someone conspired.

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  Oh, they're, they're all in on that.

• 1:51:02Joe Rogan?

  Do you think?

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're all in on that.

• 1:51:04Joe Rogan?

  What are you, a conspiracy theorist?

• 1:51:07Speaker 02

  I used to say, when, when Epstein died, I used to say, like, the meeting was, it was like, Trump, Obama, Oprah and, like, Big Bird are all in a room together, Elmo, we're all in a room together, they shook each other's hands and like, it's over.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Your problem is you let facts get in the way of your opinion.

• 1:51:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I know, we, I know it's true that, uh, poppy production went way up in Afghanistan after we got in there.

• 1:51:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  And I know that the United States military was guarding the poppy fields, but you're a fool.

• 1:51:39Joe Rogan?

  To think we profited off of that, so shut your goddamn mouth.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  That's true, we would never do that.

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  And go blow an eagle.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  We would never flood the American market with drugs. I mean, just look the other way with crack. That was, that's its own special thing.

• 1:51:51Joe Rogan?

  The other way, we fucking sold it.

• 1:51:53Speaker 02

  I know, oh no, we definitely did. That was a Reagan Clinton, back when we used to be more united. Back when Democrats and Republicans worked more together.

• 1:52:03Joe Rogan?

  Learning about that in the news, going, "What? What?

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:52:08Joe Rogan?

  The government was selling crack in the hood?

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:52:12Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  To fund the Contras versus the San Denis, just what?

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  All connected.

• 1:52:19Joe Rogan?

  What? When you find out the government sells crack, you're like, "What?"

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Like the whole Barry Seals one, that, that, you know?

• 1:52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a Tom Cruise movie.

• 1:52:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:52:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  Where they just basically-

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Which is fucked up, that Tom Cruise played him, because Tom Cruise is one of the most handsome guys to ever live. Barry Seals was disgusting looking. It's really quite rude. You know, it's hard for me to, like, as a, watching a biopic, I want him to, you know, like, when, what's his face played Dick Cheney?

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  Oh, uh-

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  Australian guy, awesome.

• 1:52:50Speaker 02

  Christian Bale.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Christian Bale. Christian Bale played Dick Cheney. He fucking looked like Dick Cheney, dog.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  He looked like him.

• 1:52:56Speaker 02

  Mm.

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Gained a bunch of weight, did the whole deal, shaved his head.

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  Well, he's like-

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at the difference between Barry Seals and then Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is fit and handsome, beautiful head of hair.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  Well, this is something that Derek and I have talked about, it's like, in a lot of movies now, there's like no more regular looking people.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:14Speaker 02

  It's all like, even TV shows, all, everyone is just all super duper attractive.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that, that ship is about to sail.

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  Oh, it's like-

• 1:53:22Joe Rogan?

  That ship's about to sail. These new video engines?

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Where, just with prompts? Have you seen the one where people are arguing whether or not it's a prompt?

• 1:53:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That's crazy to watch. Because that is like, almost a simulation telling you you're in a simulation.

• 1:53:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:53:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, "Hey, this is, how much difference is this than you?

• 1:53:42Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  Is it different? It's really different, right? Oh yeah, it's just a video, right? Okay. Here's the next version. How much different is this than you? It's like we're peeling the layers of an onion."

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they're using, the people doing it stand-up, talking about it, yeah.

• 1:53:55Joe Rogan?

  Press this and do it from the beginning, so we could hear it.

• 1:53:58Speaker 00

  Theory. Like, really?

• 1:53:59Joe Rogan?

  It's really, it's really crazy.

• 1:54:04Joe Rogan?

  Beta prompts.

• 1:54:06Speaker 07

  Seriously dude, you're saying the only thing standing between me and a billion dollars is some random text?

• 1:54:11Speaker 00

  Honestly, the biggest red flag is when the guy believes in the prompt theory. Like, really? We came from prompts? Wake up, man.

• 1:54:19Speaker 07

  You want to convince me that this perfect creation behind me is the result of ones and zeros? A binary code and nothing more? It makes no sense.

• 1:54:27Speaker 00

  Imagine you're in the middle of a nice date with a handsome man and then he brings up the prompt theory. Yuck. We just can't have nice things. We're not prompts.

• 1:54:37Speaker 07

  We're not prompts. Where is the prompt writer to save you from me? Where is he?

• 1:54:44Speaker 07

  You still believe we're made of prompts?

• 1:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Anyone who tells you we're just ones and- Even prompts have bad acting. That was terrible.

• 1:54:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  That was terrible.

• 1:54:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're new to acting. Give it some time.

• 1:54:56Joe Rogan?

  They gotta really develop their own Marlon Brando.

• 1:54:59Speaker 02

  For real. It's coming.

• 1:55:00Speaker 03

  But, we get it.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  But yeah.

• 1:55:02Speaker 03

  Pretty crazy.

• 1:55:03Speaker 02

  That sort of stuff.

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  What do you think, Jamie? Think, if you had to guess, like, what percentage of you believes that we're in the simulation?

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Pull that mic down.

• 1:55:15Speaker 03

  Which?

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  Is there a part? Well, something. Something inorganic about existence. Something that seems not real.

• 1:55:24Speaker 03

  Did you, I just saw someone reposted the first time Alex Jones was on, he was talking about his theory of what we are? And you're just laughing along the whole time?

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what did he say?

• 1:55:34Speaker 03

  His basic point was like, "I'm gonna blow your minds." Like, "We are the aliens. We're the aliens."

• 1:55:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:40Speaker 03

  And then the people have taken that farther and said that we, uh, I don't, it's almost like The Matrix. Take, if we're the, I don't know, who would have been the creator then? That's the kind of part that's left out of this, is it one of those nine?

• 1:55:53Speaker 02

  It's AI all the way down.

• 1:55:54Speaker 03

  The nine different types of aliens created us? And I don't know for what reason.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  We're just in a recursive program that's meant to create more programs.

• 1:56:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you think about what we're doing right now currently, what we just talked about with this- AIs talking to each other in Sanskrit. If that is the baby god, that's the baby god. So we're watching baby god in the cradle, right? We're watching Jesus in the manger or whatever. It's about to pop out. It's about to get wild.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, things are about to get real crazy.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  It's about to Dr. Manhattan us and be a blue guy with a giant dick floating around.

• 1:56:26Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  Remember Dr. Manhattan?

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  I remember Dr. Manhattan, that's-

• 1:56:29Joe Rogan?

  Here's another movie you can't make today. You can't show dicks like that anymore.

• 1:56:32Speaker 02

  Oh really? No, see I-

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  Big old blue dicks.

• 1:56:34Speaker 02

  I see, I disagree.

• 1:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Tom did.

• 1:56:37Speaker 02

  They do-

• 1:56:37Joe Rogan?

  Tom did, yeah.

• 1:56:38Speaker 02

  You can see, there was a shift and right on then, where dicks became way more okay and you saw- and then you started seeing way more dicks than tits, which that's, I'm not a big fan of.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  You know what you see the most dicks? Righteous gemstones.

• 1:56:49Speaker 02

  Well, that's-

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  They have dicks in almost every episode. It's so uncomfortable.

• 1:56:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, it became, it became like a trend to show dicks on TV. Like, I don't know, with something running around-

• 1:57:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, because they won't do it in the movies anymore.

• 1:57:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:57:03Joe Rogan?

  So these people get buck wild. They did in Nosferato. You saw the vampire dick.

• 1:57:07Speaker 02

  I didn't see-

• 1:57:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a vampire dick. Big old vampire dick.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  Ah, that's- Show, show the- Any tits in Nosferato?

• 1:57:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  Okay, good, good.

• 1:57:15Joe Rogan?

  But it's Johnny Depp's daughter's tits, so you're conflicted, like, aww. I remember her when she was little. It's Lily Depp.

• 1:57:22Speaker 02

  I forgot, yeah.

• 1:57:23Joe Rogan?

  She's beautiful, but, you know, it's like, come on. I remember when she was little. If I know you when you're little, I never want to see your tits.

• 1:57:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes sense. I, I grew up with you, that's kinda crazy. Oh wow!

• 1:57:32Joe Rogan?

  There's Tom. Yeah.

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  But, um, what is the, uh, Nosferato one? See if you can find Nosferato's dick.

• 1:57:42Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna fuck up your Google algorithm. It's gonna be personalized for you, Jamie. I hear you're into vampire dicks.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  I did, I do, I do think, cause I brought up the streaming earlier, I do think that's gonna be like a majority of how people... But one, you can tell it's real, but also, so I was, I just got into it because, uh, we had, that sketch was on Kill Tony. And then I just started getting videos of sketch and there was one where he was just calling, there's another, another streamer called Sina, just calling her fat and it was really funny. Just for like two hours straight and I got really into it and I was looking and these two guys that are huge right now, Kai Sina and Speed, have you heard of them?

• 1:58:20Joe Rogan?

  I've, I've heard of, it's, what is it?

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  I show Speed.

• 1:58:23Joe Rogan?

  I show Speed, yeah.

• 1:58:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, he went to Chi- he went to China-

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  He goes and fights people. I've seen him like, he sparred a bunch of people.

• 1:58:28Speaker 02

  He does like athletic stuff, that's like part of it, but like he went to China and they were following around like he was Jesus. It was crazy to watch. Kai Sennett, and I saved this on my phone because it blew my mind. He did this thing recently called Streamer University where it was-

• 1:58:40Speaker 03

  He's still live.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  Oh, it's still live?

• 1:58:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like an active thing.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought it was only three days, but so for three days, I saved it on my phone because I showed it to Derek and it was mind blowing how much. So in three days, he had 23 million hours watched, 2,700 years of content streamed on Twitch in the span of a weekend.

• 1:59:00Joe Rogan?

  So, kids are watching, like what are the age limits or what are the age uh-

• 1:59:05Speaker 02

  I would say, I would say definitely younger, but it's definitely gotten to me where like now I'll watch, like there's certain streamers, there's this one streamer named Disguised Toast, he's really good at puzzles. And he's good at like explaining the puzzle while he does it. And I'll like, I'll like watch, he like goes around to escape rooms and like, he'll like solve puzzles. Yeah, it's really fantastic. I found him in the pandemic, he played this social deduction game called Among Us. And he was just really good at giving the play by play of like his logical reasoning. And it made me be like, oh, what is this? And then now looking at the Streamer University numbers, it's like, oh, this is crazy. That's what I mean in like, like if, in like a few years, like if you're a presidential candidate, you have to go on these streamers things. I mean, they tried it-

• 1:59:47Speaker 02

  They tried it with, they tried it a little bit with like AOC and-

• 1:59:52Joe Rogan?

  Did they?

• 1:59:53Speaker 02

  Weren't they streaming Madden? Wasn't that the whole thing? When AOC and Tim Walz were streaming Madden when they talked about Tony?

• 1:59:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:00:00Joe Rogan?

  They were streaming Madden? Is that what they were doing?

• 2:00:02Speaker 02

  They were playing, so they were playing Madden on Twitch.

• 2:00:04Joe Rogan?

  And that's when they found out about Tony?

• 2:00:06Speaker 02

  Yes, that's, that's that video of just like the speaker, yeah. Yeah, but-

• 2:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Tim Walz pretending he plays football is hilarious.

• 2:00:11Speaker 02

  Oh, well him saying, you got, we got, she ran a pick six. It's like uh, the football fan version of the Invictus Basset scenes where you do the three and three. It's like, if you were a football fan, you wouldn't say that. If you coached football.

• 2:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, he said he's a head coach and he wasn't a head coach. Like that's, that's a big old lie. You shouldn't be able to lie. And if people want to trust you, your whole business is people trusting you. You could have said assistant coach.

• 2:00:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  And that's good enough.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:00:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 2:00:37Joe Rogan?

  So if you lied about that, you're probably a liar. You're probably one of them dudes who lies all the time.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, which is like the kind of people that want to be president, the kind of people that want to be governor. This is like, you know, they just want that job.

• 2:00:49Speaker 02

  They're constantly lying.

• 2:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and what do I have to say? What's the right thing to say to get people to like me?

• 2:00:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Nuts, man.

• 2:00:57Speaker 02

  But yeah, to me, that's like, that's the next, because both those guys, Speed, Kaisenat, Speed's twenty, Kaisenat's twenty-three. It's like, that's how the next generation is like, consuming media.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  How about this?

• 2:01:09Joe Rogan?

  GTA six is about to come out, right? Imagine if a candidate made a deal with GTA six, where you could have them ride along with you. Like, Trump can ride along with you while you rob people, shoot people, you could do it with Trump.

• 2:01:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And then all of a sudden, people want to vote for Trump because he's my favorite homie in GTA six.

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  Oh, easily, e- or like, the, yeah.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 2:01:36Speaker 02

  It's...

• 2:01:38Joe Rogan?

  Or like, the candidate is in the game, helping you out? You know, like, you're playing Half-Life, and Kamala Harris is helping you get around the lab?

• 2:01:46Speaker 02

  That's, I mean, it's, I think it has to be a little less in-your-face for it to work.

• 2:01:51Joe Rogan?

  But you, I don't know, dude.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  I think so, I think...

• 2:01:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, dude, if you could, if you love playing with the Kamala Harris character on Half-Life?

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  If like, that's your, like, if you have partners?

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, you could have an AI partner, and it literally is Kamala Harris, and she runs around in Half-Life with you, shooting at aliens and shit.

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  Oh, damn.

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  Right? And then you really get into, like, you got a good coordinated partnership with Kamala Harris when you're playing Half-Life?

• 2:02:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's actually...

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  She's super cool in the game, she's really funny, she helps you, she gets you clues to how to get out of places.

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  Damn. That got way darker than I thought, that's very, I guess that is possible, you can have a...

• 2:02:31Joe Rogan?

  Of course it's possible.

• 2:02:31Speaker 02

  Oh, my AI Trump helper?

• 2:02:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  And he helps me finish the missions, he helps me... Yeah, or like, do a patch online, or, yeah.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:40Speaker 02

  The way they can reach you is like...

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, because right now, all the streaming stuff seems like, it's like, the, almost, not Wild Westy, but it's still kind of new. The second politics figures out a way to really get their hands in it.

• 2:02:52Joe Rogan?

  I think...

• 2:02:52Speaker 02

  It's kind of over.

• 2:02:53Joe Rogan?

  The real goal, the real gateway to hell, is neural interfaces. That's the real gateway.

• 2:03:01Speaker 02

  So where you're like, just, you can immediately just be in the world?

• 2:03:04Joe Rogan?

  The real matrix.

• 2:03:05Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:03:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, that, it's a hundred percent on the, it's on the menu, it's coming. It's just a matter of time, and when you can't tell at all whether or not you really have an experience?

• 2:03:19Joe Rogan?

  That's when you're in a simulation and that might have already happened.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:24Joe Rogan?

  That might be what we're dealing with right now.

• 2:03:26Speaker 02

  That we're, that we're just the simulation creating its next simulation, its next iteration?

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Maybe why it's so wacky, why, why it feels so fake.

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:35Joe Rogan?

  So weird, you know?

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is, it is, it is wild, just like it's the world we live in where like comedians are like,

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  it, it doesn't make any sense to me sometimes, we'll look around.

• 2:03:46Joe Rogan?

  It shouldn't make any sense.

• 2:03:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, where it's like comedians are selling out arenas regularly.

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Regular.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  Regularly.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  All of our friends.

• 2:03:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:53Speaker 02

  They're just arena acts all of a sudden and like.

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, instantly.

• 2:03:57Speaker 02

  Well, I think it, it, but you know, part of that has to do with like, as things get more fake, people will try to strive for things they know is real.

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 2:04:04Speaker 02

  And so what I know is real is this guy talking to me in person right now.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes, also because of the restrictive nature of all, whatever you see on television, any regular television show.

• 2:04:17Speaker 02

  Not even television, like the, the censorship on social media sometimes is like, like I, I did this sketch with the, one of our, uh, the door guys at mothership, Christina Mariani, killing it. And in this sketch, we have her tell me to kill myself. That's part of, that's the sort of.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:35Speaker 02

  And you can't, in the captions, they took it down because we spe, you, we spelled out the word kill, which you can't do. And you can't say the words kill yourself. And it's like, it's just a small little sketch and it's like, already it's like, there's so much like, eh, there's so much holding you back from like, having a true expression sometimes, that like, people will go to seek it out live. That's what I think.

• 2:04:58Joe Rogan?

  There's definitely some part of that.

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:05:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure. I think people are definitely aware that there's a bunch of stuff you can't talk about in social media that you want to talk about on stage that are funny.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  Well, and and it's also so funny to me, it's like, social media, there's this big like, oh, mental health is important, but like, you can't type, you have to write unalive yourself in the caption, it's like, you can't, so we can't have serious discussions about these topics, really.

• 2:05:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:22Speaker 02

  Like, there's certain, if certain words are off limits, then there's no way you can have an actual serious discussion where those words are involved.

• 2:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Right. One hundred percent, because then they just expand the definition of offense.

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  Right, and then now this is expensive.

• 2:05:36Joe Rogan?

  Now, there's a new version, a new, we have an updated list of words you can't say.

• 2:05:40Speaker 02

  And we were talking about like, all these bots earlier, so like, we don't want these words to offend people, but we're not even talking to people. This is all going out to computer programs.

• 2:05:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  It's computer programs watching other computer programs, being offended, it's like, it's crazy.

• 2:05:54Joe Rogan?

  But offending people should be the least of your concern, when you're allowing open manipulation by a university. And like, and also, this is just the one we know about. We didn't know about that until they told us.

• 2:06:06Speaker 02

  Right, and they didn't have to tell us.

• 2:06:07Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  They just decided to, I guess in a way of like, warning, like, hey, this is probably happening in a bunch of ways.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad they did. They shouldn't have done it in the first place, but I'm, well, look, it's being done.

• 2:06:19Speaker 02

  It's being done.

• 2:06:20Joe Rogan?

  And I, it's not like they came up with the idea, they're the only ones doing it. I guarantee you it's being done. There's probably a bunch of people that have AI friends, online, that they communicate with on Twitter, and, you know, hey, good to hear from you. How's things? They do DMs back and forth with each other.

• 2:06:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:35Joe Rogan?

  Talking about stuff they're into. How many of those UAP guys are just talking to bots? All those dudes are in the UAP group, like, where there's a bunch of people all like, disclosure's imminent. And they're all like, fucking DMing each other, probably DMing bots.

• 2:06:49Speaker 02

  Right, and they're just getting fed what they want to hear.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  Just getting fed bullshit AI videos, and all kinds of like, weird disclosure stuff, half of it's fake. Half of it, the government is actually leaking purposely to try to hide some weapons program they have.

• 2:07:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:07:04Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 2:07:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:07:05Joe Rogan?

  Who knows? What, I mean, it's, it's a cloudy environment. The UFO world is like, one of the slipperiest worlds. When you're talking to people, there's grift, there's full-on grifters. There's full-on people that are just, they have the answers to everything and they're always wrong, they're always off. And then they have like some good data that they pull from disclosure and from all these different people that talked about different things, but then they're, they, they claim to be like the experts in it. There's like a lot of weird people in that world.

• 2:07:34Speaker 02

  Well, yes, it's good, well, it's easy to do that in that world too, where like, a lot of it is like, does this even exist?

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  So you can just be like, well, I have proof.

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you don't have good ethics, if you're not like a legitimate journalist. You know, but what, what's interesting is when legitimate journalists get interested, like Schellenberger, when Michael Schellenberger reports on UAPs. He, I like how he does it, cause he does it the same way he reports on like corruption in government and waste and fraud, like he's just,

• 2:07:59Speaker 02

  No speculation.

• 2:08:00Joe Rogan?

  No hyperbole, no exaggeration, no condemnation of hu, you know, like, no, no like virtue signaling, it's like, this is what's going on. This is what we know. There's, these programs exist and this is what we know they've been trying to hide and these are the people that have come forward and this is why we think they're telling the truth. And like, yo.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  It is, it is wild that they told us that aliens exist and we just sort of didn't care.

• 2:08:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're like, whatever.

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, now we gotta see it now. We gotta see more, yeah, show us what you, show us what you got. It's like, it's, it's.

• 2:08:30Joe Rogan?

  You know what it's like? It's like that guy that was telling us that he knows that Israel had a warning.

• 2:08:33Speaker 02

  That's exactly what I was gonna say.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  Don't tell me unless you can tell me.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  Show me, show me.

• 2:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Don't fucking tell me unless you can tell me. Oh, we have crafts of non-human origin? What? What are you talking, well, show me, bitch.

• 2:08:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, why can't you, why can't they show us a picture of that?

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  They, you know.

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  Unless, unless the one picture is Epstein sitting in the thing. That's why it's all.

• 2:08:55Joe Rogan?

  Epstein and Puffy making out in space. Have you seen those ones? The two of them making out in jail?

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  No, that's so funny.

• 2:09:02Joe Rogan?

  They made AI of the two of them kissing and making out in jail.

• 2:09:04Speaker 02

  Did they know each other?

• 2:09:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, who knows? It's a good question.

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  Did like, was there a connection there? Cause there's a, because there's this whole like Mossad Epstein connection. Is there like, is there like a Mossad?

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 2:09:16Speaker 02

  Diddy connection? Did they know each other?

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  Was Diddy ever on the island?

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  Was Diddy ever on the island?

• 2:09:20Joe Rogan?

  If you're gonna have a fly party, that's a dude to invite.

• 2:09:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:09:22Joe Rogan?

  Back in the day.

• 2:09:23Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Before everybody knew.

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  I can't imagine their circles were completely separate.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  That's a good point. Yeah. I, well, we know that he was hobnobbing with politicians. You know, you know that Diddy was hobnobbing with, with Biden, or excuse me, with Obama. Right? There's video of the two of them together, talking.

• 2:09:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:09:42Joe Rogan?

  Remember?

• 2:09:42Speaker 02

  But there, there's a video with like, I feel like every current, every president from Clinton on has a picture with either, has like, a lot of pictures with Epstein or a lot of pictures with Diddy.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  Right. But then the thing is, it's like, did they know? Or was it just, there's a lot of photographs of famous people with these people.

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:10:02Joe Rogan?

  Because that's like a way to get an endorsement.

• 2:10:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, "Look, The Rock likes me."

• 2:10:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:10:07Joe Rogan?

  "I must be awesome."

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  And, and a lot of what I heard is how the Epstein thing worked is like, oh, you'd be at a party, and then all of a sudden, some of that, the shady shit would go down and would, and you might not have known about it, but you were at the party where it happened later.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, of course, right? In that way, people that were more conservative, they could kind of shield them from knowing about it, but implicate them.

• 2:10:28Speaker 02

  That's all that matters. It's like, cause if you're, if you're at a party where someone assaults an underage girl.

• 2:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  And that's on video and now you're at the party, it doesn't matter. You have to explain that.

• 2:10:39Joe Rogan?

  But especially if you're like, a scientist and they flew you to the island, there's a bunch of other scientists there. And you're like, "Oh, we're just gonna, you know, he's, he donates a lot to science and this is a wonderful opportunity to get together with my colleagues and have a few cocktails and just, you know, we're, we're, we're going over string theory. Meanwhile, there's people in the background doing ecstasy and it gets a little freaky. Maybe you go to bed. Maybe you go to bed. You're like, you know.

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  Or like, oh.

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Or maybe someone knocks on your door in the middle of the night.

• 2:11:06Speaker 02

  We have a, we have someone who will massage you.

• 2:11:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe they fucking drug your drink.

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, no questions asked.

• 2:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Who knows? You're over there for a few days.

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not thinking, they're not gonna bring a sixteen year old in here.

• 2:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Why would you do that?

• 2:11:17Speaker 02

  Why would you think that? Why would you, why would you possibly think that?

• 2:11:20Joe Rogan?

  It's like, if you're a guy who makes like, whatever a professor makes, like a normal salary, a good salary, but, normal. And you hear about billionaires that own islands, who's a financial genius and he really supports science. Sounds like a great thing.

• 2:11:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  If you don't know any better.

• 2:11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, and like, he wants to fly you out privately to an island to meet a billionaire. You're like, whoa, I've never done that, private?

• 2:11:44Joe Rogan?

  This is gonna be incredible. But once that guy gets arrested for getting jerked off by kids, you're like, hey.

• 2:11:51Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 2:11:52Joe Rogan?

  And then you still hang out with him.

• 2:11:54Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  Which a lot of them did.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:11:57Joe Rogan?

  That's where it gets weird. Like, did you hang out with him because he made you? Cause he said, hey, you're not going nowhere. You know what I'm saying? Like, you would, if you're intelligent, you'd probably distance yourself from him at that point in time, right? Be like, well, I have to separate. If you got a clean slate, like, well, I can't have anything to do with him publicly. I am the CEO of Microsoft.

• 2:12:19Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:12:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay. But yet, you're still hanging out with him?

• 2:12:22Speaker 02

  Right. Cause now, now he has it over you.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The Bill Gates one was great because he was like, uh, he was donating to global health. Uh, do you need money? Do you need money? What about your money? Like, you have so much money. You have hundreds of billions of dollars. You need this guy who's got one billion to help?

• 2:12:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you take one of them one billions that you have and throw it in there? If you really care. Seems weird.

• 2:12:51Joe Rogan?

  All of it seems weird.

• 2:12:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's all like, but it's all like, these sort of like, sex scandal rings of just, I think that's like a function of high politics.

• 2:13:00Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it's a function of a bunch of people getting together and getting drunk.

• 2:13:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:03Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of freaks. And then they're doing coke and they're on an island, let's go. And you think, you know, you think you're partying on a yacht somewhere, but meanwhile, you're just in a, a, a, a real live reality show. That only a few people get to watch.

• 2:13:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:13:17Speaker 02

  But wasn't there like even even pre Epstein wasn't there like that Franklin scandal?

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:13:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, where it's like, I think that's just a function of like, it's a way to control.

• 2:13:24Joe Rogan?

  Dude, there was the lady that was the madam that got assassinated in DC.

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't, a madam got assassinated?

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, she's a famous DC madam. I think they said it was a suicide. And she was like, if I kill myself, I definitely did not kill myself.

• 2:13:38Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:13:39Joe Rogan?

  It's one of them deals.

• 2:13:40Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:13:40Joe Rogan?

  I conveniently died.

• 2:13:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, didn't one of the Epstein, Epstein witnesses just kill herself?

• 2:13:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yes. Yeah.

• 2:13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:48Joe Rogan?

  Things happen.

• 2:13:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, do you know where they recruited her?

• 2:13:51Joe Rogan?

  Where?

• 2:13:51Speaker 02

  She got recruited at Mar-a-Largo.

• 2:13:54Speaker 02

  She was a, she was a locker room attendant at Mar-a-Largo. When she got recruited. I'm pretty sure, can we look that up? I think Virginia Guthrie. I do want to say that. That's a crazy thing to say where like, I think I'm right about that.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, be careful.

• 2:14:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:08Joe Rogan?

  All of it is so spooky, dude, because you know that that's not the only one. There's probably ones going on right now in China.

• 2:14:14Speaker 02

  Oh dude.

• 2:14:15Joe Rogan?

  Russia. It's just a thing that's happening all over the world.

• 2:14:18Speaker 02

  When you have like a China, Russia, where it's like basically an emperor, they can just run it.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:22Speaker 02

  That's a whole different thing.

• 2:14:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, they don't need to blackmail people.

• 2:14:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't, they don't need some American financier. Yeah, at Mar-a-Largo.

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Damn, she was a spa attendant at Donald Trump's private Mar-a-Largo.

• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  Ghislaine Maxwell.

• 2:14:37Joe Rogan?

  It's like, how can you not believe in conspiracies?

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Macron's married to a man.

• 2:14:46Joe Rogan?

  A man who bitch slapped him in a private jet.

• 2:14:48Speaker 02

  Oh my god, really? Just dude, his whole life, he's been abused by that guy.

• 2:14:53Joe Rogan?

  Face pom in his face. I want to know, I mean, take a fucking test. It's not hard. If I was her, I would say, listen, you motherfuckers, okay? Let's take a chromosome test. I'm not a man, I'm just a pedophile.

• 2:15:10Speaker 02

  I'm just a pedophile, yeah, yeah. What, what accusation thing hurts her the most? The man or the pedophile? Well, the pedophile's not an accusation. That's just, you are that.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  That is fact.

• 2:15:19Speaker 02

  That is exactly who you are.

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  But what was the law back then? Cause someplace it had some wacky ass fucking.

• 2:15:26Speaker 02

  I think that's probably why they say sixteen, because I think in Europe sixteen is like.

• 2:15:29Joe Rogan?

  They say fifteen.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:15:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:15:32Speaker 02

  Because when I read this online, it said sixteen.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Kurt Metzger says fourteen.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Because Metzger says fourteen.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  They're moving it. They're moving them goalposts as we speak.

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think. Though, I think it's like probably like sixteen in that area, but either way, if you're a kid's teacher and you're sitting, like that's crazy, that's crazy. That's crazy he got to a prime minister with that level of just mindfuckery that's happening to him.

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if the roles were reversed and the president was a female and then the husband was a teacher. When the, the president was fifteen, when she was fifteen and he was forty. Imagine.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that was in the United States. Imagine if it turned out that there's a female that's running for president. And then we start going into the history and find out that she met her husband who's eighty when she was fifteen.

• 2:16:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  You'd be like, fucking, yo. But, in nineteen seventy-four it was legal. Like fuck you, fuck you, man. That's crazy. We would never, but because it's a guy and an older lady, lady, air quotes, lady. We've added slides, like he still gets to go to the meetings and shake everybody's hand. You know, he still gets to go to these fucking things where all the world leaders get together. He's hanging out with them, like normal.

• 2:16:51Speaker 02

  Wait, so what's also funny to me is you're probably gonna get in more heat for calling her a man than she will for slapping the prime minister.

• 2:16:57Joe Rogan?

  No, she's catching heat. I think, and also Candace, I think, Candace.

• 2:17:05Joe Rogan?

  If she's right, and it seems like they're not suing her, so I think she might be right. And they did offer her money. How much money did they offer her? Find out that. How much money they offer Candace Owens to not tell these stories?

• 2:17:18Speaker 02

  Damn, they offered her, they were like, here.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  I believe she's made some sort of an accusation that they offered her a sizable amount of money to not do this.

• 2:17:26Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:17:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Which is the last person you wanna tell, anybody that you offered them money to not talk about something, 'cause she ain't taking that money. She sees the long game.

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  She's already willing to.

• 2:17:37Speaker 03

  That comes from a meme and then it's not true.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, damn it.

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  France offered to big Candace Owens a one-time payment of four million plus fifty K per month for the rest of her life.

• 2:17:46Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:17:47Joe Rogan?

  And that's just a meme?

• 2:17:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, what's the site?

• 2:17:49Speaker 03

  Come from her.

• 2:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Neither Owens nor, um, French President Emmanuel Macron have referenced the claim on the respective websites or verified social media accounts, and there is no other evidence to support the claim.

• 2:18:00Speaker 02

  Can we see what the name of the, the account is, like? Yeah, there's nothing-

• 2:18:03Joe Rogan?

  Legitimate Targets.

• 2:18:04Speaker 02

  Legitimate Targets?

• 2:18:07Speaker 02

  There's nothing I trust less than a place they call Legitimate Targets with a blue check mark.

• 2:18:12Joe Rogan?

  That's why we had to look that one up.

• 2:18:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:15Joe Rogan?

  Cause you don't know.

• 2:18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, what does, I-

• 2:18:17Joe Rogan?

  But again, this is like more, that like probably bot-like behavior.

• 2:18:21Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:18:22Joe Rogan?

  Bot-like targeting, disinformation campaigns.

• 2:18:23Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:18:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, throwing fuel on the fire.

• 2:18:26Speaker 02

  Of just getting you to believe like, oh, wow, okay, they paid money?

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, think about how many, once, okay, you make that post.

• 2:18:33Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  How many people, like me, read that, think it's true, ask Jamie to look it up, it starts spreading, people start following your account, how many new people do you get for your, how much engagement do you get?

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  All that's valuable.

• 2:18:47Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

  You can keep doing that a lot and outrage people a lot.

• 2:18:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:50Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of those that come up, you're like, fuck, is this true? And then you have to copy and paste it and put it in Google and search a little.

• 2:18:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't think this is true.

• 2:18:58Speaker 02

  And now all someone has to do is take the snippet of you saying it before you like, let's look that up.

• 2:19:03Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 2:19:04Speaker 02

  And then now it's like, it's-

• 2:19:06Joe Rogan?

  But all she has to do is take a chromosome test.

• 2:19:09Speaker 02

  But it's also like, but like also if like, if you're a woman, you're not gonna be like, well, fuck you, I'm not gonna prove to you I'm a woman.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  I would do it.

• 2:19:17Speaker 02

  But you say that as a man.

• 2:19:18Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  Like, I could totally do it if I, if I, if I was a, if I was a woman and some of them, they were accusing me of being a man, I'd also kind of probably be like, a little bump, but a large part of me would be like, fuck you, I don't gotta prove anything to you.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  You ever see her sit down?

• 2:19:36Joe Rogan?

  You ever see her sit down?

• 2:19:37Speaker 02

  I haven't seen her sit down.

• 2:19:38Joe Rogan?

  She sits down like a dude.

• 2:19:40Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:19:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You know how dudes sit down? Legs spread.

• 2:19:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Just plop down, all dick out.

• 2:19:45Speaker 02

  A lot of weight.

• 2:19:47Joe Rogan?

  Because of the shape of our hips.

• 2:19:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:49Joe Rogan?

  That's like, when people talk about man spreading, yes, guys definitely do that. But women's legs go inward. Men's hips, the way the, the angle is, is different.

• 2:19:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  They go outward. Like, watch this person sit down, there's a video. Right, that, see that video? With the, the white shirt on, the second one? Yeah.

• 2:20:10Speaker 02

  Let's see.

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Look, watch this. This is it. I've never seen a woman sit down like this. Go full screen.

• 2:20:16Speaker 02

  Is this her when she was a teacher?

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  Watch this. Watch how she sits down.

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:20:25Speaker 02

  That is very middle-aged man, the way she sits.

• 2:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Bro. Bro.

• 2:20:31Joe Rogan?

  Watch this again. Watch this person sit down.

• 2:20:37Joe Rogan?

  That's how a dude sits. This, the way the legs are spread apart, that's like a dude's hips.

• 2:20:42Speaker 03

  What about all the rest of these, though?

• 2:20:45Speaker 02

  There is-

• 2:20:45Joe Rogan?

  What about all the rest of ones?

• 2:20:46Speaker 02

  There is like-

• 2:20:46Speaker 03

  All the rest of these examples of her sitting down.

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, that's how liberal men sit.

• 2:20:51Joe Rogan?

  That's what they do, they throw their leg over. That's what guys with very small legs.

• 2:20:56Speaker 02

  That's so funny, you're-

• 2:20:57Joe Rogan?

  But Ari sits like that, actually.

• 2:20:59Speaker 02

  Mm.

• 2:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause he's got them weird, long legs. But like, you can sit like that, it's the way you sit down.

• 2:21:05Speaker 02

  It's the initial, it's the initial get-down? It's the plop?

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  It's the plop and then the leg spread. Women don't sit like that. When was the last time you saw a woman sit, plop down with her legs spread like that? They don't sit like that.

• 2:21:16Speaker 02

  They don't, they don't.

• 2:21:16Joe Rogan?

  They just sit down, nor, their legs, like, normally, naturally, angle inward more. And they sit like this, and they sit with their legs together, like, you might have a similar pose, but you don't plop like that. Like, that's a dude pose.

• 2:21:30Speaker 02

  That is, that is, or maybe that's how pedophile women sit. There's also-

• 2:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Maybe a woman who wants to be a man.

• 2:21:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:36Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 2:21:37Speaker 02

  There's also that.

• 2:21:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's find one of those, and see how they sit. Any examples?

• 2:21:41Speaker 02

  That's-

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's odd, the story's very odd. But it's also, it just shows you how fucking weird these people are. You're watching that person smack Macron, right in the head, and then walk down the stairs with him, like, what?

• 2:21:54Speaker 02

  What could they have possibly been talking about?

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Your dick is showing, shut the fuck up.

• 2:22:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:02Speaker 02

  No, that is like.

• 2:22:03Joe Rogan?

  It's a bulge.

• 2:22:04Speaker 02

  If he was a man, they would fight. There would be a square up.

• 2:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe they will when they get back home. Maybe that's the fun part. Maybe they're like, fucking fuck you, fuck you, and then they get alone.

• 2:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Get after it.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:17Speaker 02

  That's so, that is just wa- that is just, that whole relationship is really, uh, wild. That has to be one of the more wild politician relationships.

• 2:22:25Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 2:22:26Speaker 02

  Out there.

• 2:22:27Joe Rogan?

  If that was the head, the lead of a sitcom, you'd be like, what the fuck?

• 2:22:30Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:22:31Joe Rogan?

  That's why, what is going on? But the fact that it's the president of France.

• 2:22:36Speaker 02

  What? Yeah, getting slapped. There's no way you don't go, well, he's not going, he can't win reelection anymore, but if he, that would have hurt his campaign so hard.

• 2:22:44Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he's fixing to bomb somebody to cover this up. He's gonna.

• 2:22:52Joe Rogan?

  They might arm some rebels.

• 2:22:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's time to fuck up Algeria some more, whatever France does.

• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Now you're talking. You know, like, remember when Clinton, when the Monica Lewinsky scandal came?

• 2:23:03Speaker 02

  Oh, then they bombed Kosovo?

• 2:23:08Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck, man? It's so on the nose. They do shit like, oh my god, you guys don't even try him. You're not even trying to be slick.

• 2:23:16Speaker 02

  No, no, just like, get the attention off of me.

• 2:23:19Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:23:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh man, the part of him, when Columbine happened, he must have been like, thank god to get this off of me.

• 2:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you remember Gary Condit?

• 2:23:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, he murdered that lady, right?

• 2:23:28Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 2:23:29Speaker 02

  Allegedly.

• 2:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay, nine eleven happened.

• 2:23:31Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 2:23:32Joe Rogan?

  And he forgot about it. Everybody's like, listen, we got bigger fish to fry.

• 2:23:37Speaker 02

  Safe, safe.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  I wonder how accurate House of Cards is. I wonder. I wonder how accurate it.

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  I mean, outside of him physically killing the people, which he does sometimes, I would probably say it's like, probably super accurate.

• 2:23:53Joe Rogan?

  Probably pretty accurate.

• 2:23:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a lot of dealings, lot of like.

• 2:23:59Joe Rogan?

  Such a good show.

• 2:24:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so.

• 2:24:01Joe Rogan?

  So unfortunate.

• 2:24:03Speaker 02

  Well, you know. Life of a. He's, Spacey is always a great villain. He's always been a great villain.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  The best.

• 2:24:09Speaker 02

  He might be the best movie villain.

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he was so good in that one though, too, because he was so charming and layered. But it was also similar to like Tony Soprano, like you wanted him to succeed.

• 2:24:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you want to be like, oh, can he get to president?

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:22Speaker 02

  Kenny, does he have what it takes to like?

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  We were hoping he wins.

• 2:24:25Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:24:25Joe Rogan?

  Right? Like, when you're watching this show, you're like, God, I hope he's president.

• 2:24:28Speaker 02

  Right, yeah, exactly. You were like, you, you, I was watching it to be like, oh, how does he do it?

• 2:24:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:33Speaker 02

  How does he do it? Because he's kind of in the beginning, he's like kind of sidelined, and it's like, oh, how does he get back in?

• 2:24:39Joe Rogan?

  Remember he has that threesome, what was it, it's his security guard, is that what it was? And his wife, the three of them get down?

• 2:24:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Get down, get down. Yeah. I wonder, I wonder how much of that freak shit goes on behind closed doors? Because I definitely think when you're a bottled up person like that, like you have to be a, any sort of like professional person, politician, publicly professional and ethical, and you're wearing a suit and tie. Can't wait to fuck a dick, can't wait to get freaky.

• 2:25:07Speaker 02

  Didn't, didn't Madison Cawthorn sort of get like thrown out of the Republican Party for like kind of being like, hey, they like have a lot of orgies and shit?

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  I'm pretty sure because the.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  What year was this?

• 2:25:19Speaker 02

  This was, so, well, when does Cawthorn get like, like 2016? This is like pretty quickly, because he was a rising star in the.

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:25:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure he said something.

• 2:25:28Joe Rogan?

  You're more in deep than, than me on politics. You're in deep, this fella.

• 2:25:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, orgies and drugs, yeah, yeah.

• 2:25:35Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, ultra-conservative group chair says he also wants to speak with the North Carolina Republican about his salacious claims concerning his colleagues.

• 2:25:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:25:47Speaker 02

  Let's see, Perry's, this is Cawthorn's claims, what are Cawthorn's claims, though?

• 2:25:52Joe Rogan?

  So...

• 2:25:54Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  What does he say?

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  And that's whether they reconsider Cawthorn's membership in the group. Yeah, he basically said that-

• 2:26:00Joe Rogan?

  He didn't make clear that he has evidence of taking part in group sex and drug use. Perry wouldn't say either way. We will discuss that when we get to it.

• 2:26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think-

• 2:26:11Joe Rogan?

  When asked whether they would reconsider Cawthorn's membership in the group, if he didn't make clear whom he has evidence, so Cawthorn was saying someone has evidence, that he has evidence of some people taking part of group sex, not him, right?

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  No, I think Cawthorn was saying something to the effect of, to move up in this world, or whatever, you have to take part in the drugs and the group sex. And then them being like, "Well, show us the evidence," and then Cawthorn being like, "Oh, I might have, I definitely..."

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:26:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  He was invited, he claims he was invited to an orgy in Washington, right, but no one was saying that he did it. I thought you were saying that he was wrapped up in it. So this is what killed him, that he was saying this about people, and they killed his career?

• 2:26:50Speaker 02

  And they were like, the Freedom Caucus was like, "Uh-uh, no more."

• 2:26:54Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I remember he got, he, his own rally took him out.

• 2:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Go back to that, Jamie? It says, "The sexual perversion that goes on in Washington, being kind of a young guy in Washington, where the average age is probably 60 or 70. Look at these people, a lot of them I've looked up to through my life. I always paid attention to politics, and all of a sudden you get invited, "We're going to have a sexual get-together at one of our homes, you should come." What you just asked me to come to, and then you realize they're asking you to come to an orgy. Some of the people leading in the, on the movement to try and remove addiction in our country, and then you watch them do a key bump of cocaine right in front of you. And it's like, this is wild. And then it says, "Uh, what?"

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  This is CNN.com. CNN says, "Uh, what?" What does it say after that? Leave it back up.

• 2:27:50Joe Rogan?

  It's not clear to me whether Cawthorn is suggesting that members of Congress have invited him to orgies, or just other people in Washington. Although after listening to his comments several times, it seems to be the former. Ditto his allegations of seeing people in Washington doing cocaine. Well, they sound like cocaine people.

• 2:28:08Speaker 02

  They're clearly cocaine people.

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  If you want to be the president, you want to have all the power, and you want to have all the money, and you're deeply involved in corruption, that's cocaine people.

• 2:28:16Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, no one's shocked. He just said the quiet part out loud, and I think that's a... But he was... Because he was supposed to be like the guy at one point, I remember. He was like supposed to be the guy.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  Have your husband ever made any investments based on the decisions he...

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  L L S.

• 2:28:37Speaker 02

  He's a cocaine people.

• 2:28:38Speaker 03

  I think that was the first part of the problems he had. He had some other issues.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  What was the other issues?

• 2:28:43Speaker 03

  He got arrested for gun... I think bringing a gun through an airport a couple times.

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 2:28:47Speaker 03

  Driving with revoked license.

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus. Sexual misconduct allegations when he was in college. Isn't he in a wheelchair?

• 2:28:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, he wa... I don't know exactly when the wheelchair happened, so it was either before or after, but...

• 2:28:58Speaker 02

  I was... Because I was gonna say... Oh, yeah, and then he took like goofy vacation photos where I think he like dressed like during this game on a cruise, he like dressed like a woman? Or something like that? It was something like that? Yeah, but all of this popped... All of this popped up after his...

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  It's lingerie?

• 2:29:14Speaker 03

  So I don't know if it's just the orgy comment that led to everyone...

• 2:29:19Speaker 02

  Alright, he's also clearly looks like he's in a wheelchair here, too.

• 2:29:22Joe Rogan?

  He has an wheelchair there.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:29:24Joe Rogan?

  He's probably having a good time with the ladies.

• 2:29:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, he is, like...

• 2:29:27Joe Rogan?

  Getting a little crazy.

• 2:29:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. But all that came up after he made those comments, and it was very clear at the time, like, "Oh, they're like saying, 'We're done with this guy. We're gonna throw him to the wolves.'"

• 2:29:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they probably... If you want to be that guy, they have to have some stuff on you. Otherwise, how can they count on you to play this game?

• 2:29:42Speaker 02

  Right, right. And they were like, "Oh, you think we don't have anything on you? We'll just show you dressing like a woman, your constituents will dry up like that."

• 2:29:48Joe Rogan?

  You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

• 2:29:55Joe Rogan?

  So silly, but boy did it such a good job in the 60s after the Kennedy assassination of putting that word out there for fools and foolish people.

• 2:30:04Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:30:05Joe Rogan?

  They did such a great job.

• 2:30:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:30:07Joe Rogan?

  They really did.

• 2:30:07Speaker 02

  Well, also, they had a higher control of the media at the time, right? So you can, if there's only three places where you can get your news, you can be like, well, anyone's outside of it is kinda crazy. Now you can get your news from anyone and be like, oh, okay, there's something to this.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:30:20Speaker 02

  There's something to this.

• 2:30:21Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember those commercials that happened during, um, right after 9/11? There was these anti-drug commercials where a guy was saying that if you smoke pot, you're supporting terrorism. He's like, why do you say that? Well, it's a fact. He just says it like he's eating a salad, like a no-nonsense guy at a steakhouse, eating a salad because it's a fact. Like this condescending way like, and you imagine yourself being confronted by such an accusation like, oh, my God, if I smoke pot, I'm supporting terrorism?

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:51Joe Rogan?

  You ever see that video?

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  It was a public service announcement video. It's like one of those things that they, it was a propaganda video that they put on television. So while you're watching a television show, this is like right after like the height of everybody freaking out about terrorism. So they use this as an anti-marijuana, drug money funds terrorism and terrorists, like scroll back so you can get that from the beginning.

• 2:31:13Speaker 05

  It's a ploy.

• 2:31:14Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:31:15Speaker 05

  This drug money funds terror, it's a ploy.

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  Ploy.

• 2:31:19Speaker 05

  A manipulation.

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Ploy.

• 2:31:22Speaker 05

  Drug money funds terror. I mean, why should I believe that?

• 2:31:24Joe Rogan?

  Because it's a fact?

• 2:31:26Speaker 05

  A fact.

• 2:31:27Joe Rogan?

  F A C T fact.

• 2:31:29Speaker 05

  So you're saying that I should believe it because it's true? That's, that's your argument?

• 2:31:34Joe Rogan?

  It is true. Solid argument.

• 2:31:40Speaker 02

  I know, dude. Also, what kind of dumbass is that guy to be like, oh, maybe he's right?

• 2:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that guy sounds like your average bro.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:31:47Joe Rogan?

  It's like at a bar, you know?

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:31:49Joe Rogan?

  This is what I heard. I heard the government's hiding the aliens, you know what I mean? That's like the average guy.

• 2:31:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:31:55Joe Rogan?

  And then he's a guy with glasses, who's eating his salads, not tolerating your bullshit because it's a fact, F A C T fact.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:32:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, as long as you have all the data that you could show me? Oh, no data?

• 2:32:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:32:06Joe Rogan?

  You've got no data?

• 2:32:07Speaker 02

  Just accept it.

• 2:32:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's kind of right because if you do, uh, buy heroin, you are supporting the Taliban because we were guarding their poppy fields.

• 2:32:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  LOL.

• 2:32:19Speaker 02

  I think when we talked about this earlier. I think the Taliban is like a way to get out of it, like burned all their poppy fields. I think that, I think that.

• 2:32:27Joe Rogan?

  Did they?

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's why they're trying to get more tourists to come. And these like, there's a bunch of like, bro travel, like TikToks.

• 2:32:36Joe Rogan?

  Going to Afghanistan?

• 2:32:37Speaker 02

  They're like, yeah, me and the bros are going to Afghanistan. And they're like chilling with the Taliban. It's like these white guys from Britain.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Boy, you gotta be a bold person to take that. That's an early adopter.

• 2:32:47Speaker 02

  But, you know, but also i- i- i- if you're from England, you're kind of already getting used to being around Muslim extremists. So I think it's not, it's more of a lateral move.

• 2:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:32:58Speaker 02

  I, I wish that something, at least, like, I could be looking this, I could be, uh, wrong about this. But like, I wish that was something that was a little more vocal and like sort of, and I'm not like a very big Muslim guy. I'm not like, like really that practicing or that religious, but these sort of like,

• 2:33:18Speaker 02

  the sort of that, the brand of Islam that's coming to Europe right now is like really scary for me. Like, I don't, I don't want that. Like, that's not, there's a lot of like Western Muslims that like probably wouldn't vibe with what's going on over there. And it's, it's just this very interesting thing of like, how do we curb that in our community of being like, hey, we shouldn't accept this? Like, we shouldn't, I, I, you know, I remember when the Charlie Hebdo attacks happened, a lot of people were like, damn, that's what happens when you draw Muhammad or whatever. It's like, that shouldn't be our reaction to this.

• 2:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:52Speaker 02

  It should be like, live and let live. It's like, that's what I admire about the Christians here is that you can make fun of Jesus, no one's gonna kill you.

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:59Speaker 02

  Like that, that, this sort of like, this sort of westernization that kind of needs to happen and it doesn't look like it's happening over there in a way that's kind of happening here.

• 2:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Look what's going on in Toronto, where Ontario made it legal to have polygamy.

• 2:34:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's why.

• 2:34:14Speaker 02

  Right, it's like.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Dudes want multiple wives. Come on, it's in the Quran.

• 2:34:19Speaker 02

  You know, it is.

• 2:34:19Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could have multiple, you gotta treat them all equally, which is what they totally do.

• 2:34:24Joe Rogan?

  It's a great way to keep people recruited. You know?

• 2:34:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:34:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, imaginative Christians said, listen, we're open to new ideas. I think maybe the Mormons had a point. Because the Mormons, that's how they got it.

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:34:38Joe Rogan?

  Right? That's the whole reason why they went to Mexico, was because the United States said no to polygamy.

• 2:34:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:34:44Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:34:45Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:34:45Joe Rogan?

  That's the whole thing about, uh, what's his face from Massachusetts? That's right. Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney's dad was actually born in Mexico.

• 2:34:53Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Their family came from, there's these giant colonies of Mormons that live in Mexico and duke it out with the cartels. Never seen that?

• 2:35:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Dude, there was a shootout.

• 2:35:04Speaker 02

  Mormons versus the cartels?

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes, man.

• 2:35:06Speaker 02

  Great movie title.

• 2:35:07Joe Rogan?

  Of one of, there was a big problem a few years back because, uh, a few people, I think a woman and a child and a couple of people got murdered by the cartels. And it became like a giant issue. So they, they set these compounds up in like the 1800s whenever the Mormons were not allowed to be poly, uh, polygamists here in America. So they just said, well, who cares back then? There was no cars. Did Mexico is just as good as living in America.

• 2:35:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:35:36Joe Rogan?

  Just we'll go over there.

• 2:35:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:35:37Joe Rogan?

  But then, you know, America fucking blossomed. Mexico kinda stayed, you know? And now you're like, hey, you got a cartel problem now. So they, they're armed.

• 2:35:48Speaker 02

  Damn, are they still there?

• 2:35:49Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:35:50Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's two, I think there's two large groups of Mormons that live in like these fenced off communities. It's like really kinda sketchy.

• 2:36:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kinda crazy.

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  They have compounds.

• 2:36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, the Mormons, cause I think because they're young too.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  They have to weigh safety.

• 2:36:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Extra pussies.

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  The extra pussy's worth a lot. I'll say this, I remember the first time I went to Salt Lake City in 2019 and we were walking around and we were near the Mormon temple and the most beautiful women came up to us and be like, oh, why don't you, and I was like, that's how they get you, dude. Dude, Salt Lake City is like, it's just tens marrying twos. And they're like, that's how you get Mormon, that's how you get the Mormon guys. Oh dude, I was like, in that, the split second, I was like, I want to give up a lot right now.

• 2:36:37Speaker 02

  I remember this beautiful woman from Colombia, like they went and they got converted on a mission trip and now they're here and like, look at this exotic women that's available to you if you're a Mormon. And you can marry one like tomorrow.

• 2:36:48Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:36:49Speaker 02

  You can marry one, because they all get married young and quick because the whole point is to have babies. So, I've always told you Mormons know how to crew, they can get you, they throw the pussy your way.

• 2:36:57Joe Rogan?

  They're also the nicest people. Like, you very rarely meet a mean Mormon.

• 2:37:01Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, you know, the Book of Mormon comes out, and what do they do? Do they get mad? Do they fucking kill people? No, they stand outside and hand people pamphlets about Mormonism. This whole play talking about how Mormonism is totally bullshit, they're like, we might be able to get somebody.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they actually took out a full-page ad in the playbook.

• 2:37:20Speaker 02

  Right, exactly, exactly. That's a great way to deal with criticism of your religion, I think. From what my perspective on Islam, it just, it needs to handle that better. It just, it doesn't handle that well at all. I mean, I think Salman Rushdie was stabbed by a guy who was born and raised in New Jersey, that's crazy. That's crazy, he should be safe here.

• 2:37:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also, I'm mad, I'm mad at the thought while because it made me read that terrible book.

• 2:37:46Joe Rogan?

  Was it a bad book?

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  It wasn't that good, it was, I would have not have read it if there wasn't anything around it.

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  Probably sold a lot more copies because of that, probably made that dude rich as fuck.

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:37:56Speaker 02

  It's like one of those, like, I get it if you like artsy, like, you know, it's like a novel for writers almost, that's how I felt reading it.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 2:38:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, I didn't like it, but I only read it because of everything around it.

• 2:38:10Joe Rogan?

  Did you see American Primeval?

• 2:38:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:38:12Joe Rogan?

  It's great, but it talks about Brigham Young and the Mormons establishing themselves in Utah. And gangster shit, like murders.

• 2:38:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, you don't realize like what a gangster Brigham Young was, you're like, holy shit, is this all accurate? And it's accurate, Peter Berg made it, it's really good.

• 2:38:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, imagine.

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Wild show, dude.

• 2:38:32Speaker 02

  Imagine leading a people against the American government and sending up, setting up your own place. You have to be a bad motherfucker to do that.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  And then the wildest ones went to Mexico.

• 2:38:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:43Joe Rogan?

  Fuck it, we're gonna flee the whole country.

• 2:38:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, the Mormons really, really like, they fought to survive.

• 2:38:51Joe Rogan?

  But it's what we were talking about earlier. It's like, human beings have a bunch of different ways where they can adapt to whatever the group is doing. There's a bunch of where like, so we're really, really malleable. You know, we're, we're easily influenced. We can, you know, we're, we adjust to whatever the environment is. We adapt. You know, and then if you're a Mormon woman, you're like, I guess I'm sharing this motherfucker with eight other ladies.

• 2:39:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  It's what you do. You're out there washing fucking sheets and shit.

• 2:39:21Speaker 02

  You can probably convince yourself you're happy about it. You're probably not like that. You're probably like, and we're doing this for God. This is what God wants.

• 2:39:26Joe Rogan?

  I remember.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  We all got our own planet.

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  We were in a rest stop once. Uh, Ari and I were on a road doing stand-up. And, uh, we pulled into this place to get gas and we were walking around this like rest stop, one of them little supermarket things. And these ladies came in, I think they were Mennonites. And, uh, Ari was like, uh, what group are you in? What do you guys do? What's this all about? And they like, did not know how to talk to him. They looked so awkward.

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, cause they're only allowed to talk to the one man in their life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Pretty sure he was stoned. Yeah, he definitely was stoned. But it was really funny. Ari was like, well, what do you guys do? What's going on here?

• 2:40:05Joe Rogan?

  But I was like, wow, these people are living, I mean, this is, we're dealing with like, you know, two thousand five or some shit like that. You're dealing with these people that are, they're from another time. It's another time period. Like they're dressed like they, they're literally like pioneers. They're, they look like colonists. Like they, they have like old timey eighteen hundreds clothes on. It's, you ever see like how Mennonites dress?

• 2:40:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:40:29Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 2:40:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  They're at a gas station, you know, in front of the fucking Popeye's Chicken. This is so weird. And there's a group of them out there. It's like some fucking shack, some house.

• 2:40:41Speaker 02

  Where is this again?

• 2:40:42Joe Rogan?

  Compound. I believe this was, I think we were in Massachusetts when this happened, or maybe New Hampshire.

• 2:40:47Speaker 02

  Cause I know that out here, isn't the Mennonite population where the measles is in Texas? Like, you know how this is? I think it's the Mennonites.

• 2:40:54Joe Rogan?

  Is that it? Yeah.

• 2:40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's like the, that's like the overwhelming majority of the people like, cause they, cause they run with the measles is like rampant in Texas, or they're running with that for a while. And it's like, it's basically in this one community from what I remember, yeah.

• 2:41:08Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. It's just weird when they can get people to dress up, you know? You know, like when you, like Wild, Wild Country, when everybody's wearing the robes.

• 2:41:15Speaker 02

  But that's how you know who's bought in, right? So it's like, okay, these are, these are the people that I can control.

• 2:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, put that rainbow t-shirt on. You're in a group.

• 2:41:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:25Joe Rogan?

  Hang your flag.

• 2:41:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you gotta show, put the pro, put the pronouns in the bio.

• 2:41:29Joe Rogan?

  Where's your Black Lives Matter sign? It's like, it's, human beings just wanna become a part of a group, man.

• 2:41:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, you want, it's like, it's like finding your community is like so huge.

• 2:41:41Joe Rogan?

  Huge.

• 2:41:41Speaker 02

  And it's like, I think a, a big issue is when you find it online. Cause then it becomes like this weird parasocial, like, or yeah, and it's like, you gotta find your, like, group, like your, I mean, that's why I like, the, the good part about religion that I really like is like, if it's done right, it's like a loving community and it's like a,

• 2:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:01Speaker 02

  Like, you know what I mean? Like it's people, it's a support system. It's like,

• 2:42:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Very friendly.

• 2:42:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:42:06Joe Rogan?

  Warm environment. Everybody goes there with the same purpose.

• 2:42:08Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:09Joe Rogan?

  This Rebecca LaMav lady that was, that I told you was the, the expert in mind control, one of the things she talked about, the dangers of echo chambers. You get in these echo chambers online and, you know, everybody says the same thing, thinks the same thing, and then, and then all of a sudden, you're locked into this way of thinking.

• 2:42:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:42:25Joe Rogan?

  It's online, like really dangerous, where people just sort of have, everyone's sort of reinforcing all these ideas. You never get any outside information.

• 2:42:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:42:35Joe Rogan?

  Only exists in this echo chamber.

• 2:42:37Speaker 02

  And then that's how you become, your politics become your personality.

• 2:42:40Joe Rogan?

  Yep. Your whole life.

• 2:42:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's such a, it's such a crazy thing. It's so new. Cause I, I wasn't aware in 1996, but I will very confidently say people weren't like, You either like Bob Dole, you get the fuck out of my house.

• 2:42:55Joe Rogan?

  No, it was no big deal.

• 2:42:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:42:58Joe Rogan?

  When I was a kid, when, you know, politics was on, just on television and in the newspapers. Nobody gave a fuck who you supported. They didn't care. Maybe they thought you were an idiot because you're gonna vote for that guy. Ah, that guy's a moron. You're crazy. But there was no like, we couldn't talk at the dinner table. We couldn't, you know. It became everything, every part of your identity to fight against this. We are fighting against fascism by using fascism.

• 2:43:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:43:31Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna stop the election. We're gonna remove people from social media. We're gonna shut down these voices.

• 2:43:36Speaker 02

  And then we'll give you the candidate to vote for.

• 2:43:38Joe Rogan?

  Yes, to preserve democracy.

• 2:43:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it is like, because it's so annoying, like especially, you know, you could, I'm an Austin comic now and people will be like, oh, so you do comedy, so you must be like an alt-right wing comic.

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious.

• 2:43:51Speaker 02

  Because it's like, no, I just do comedy, like, you know, like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of stage time in the city and that's sort of the whole point of the whole exercise. Is to get up on stage and.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how many times do we like duke it out with Ron White in the green room over politics?

• 2:44:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:44:06Joe Rogan?

  In the most friendly, hilarious way.

• 2:44:08Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Tony and I are roasting him.

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  Well, you know what's funny is that ironically, people online, for whatever reason, Ron White's face is used a lot to come up on conservative memes.

• 2:44:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, because conservatives love him.

• 2:44:20Speaker 02

  I know, and it's so funny to me every time, every time. You're like, wow, y'all really think Ron White's this like deep red conservative? That's crazy.

• 2:44:28Joe Rogan?

  It's so funny because you get to know him. He's the most liberal amongst us.

• 2:44:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's the most liberal guy in the green room.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  He's first and then Brian Simpson's two.

• 2:44:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  But Brian Simpson, it makes sense to me because, you know, used a lot of social services, you know, had like a rough stretch as a child. That's me too. That's like not as bad as him, but the same kind of reasoning for like, social safety nets are important to keep people fed, you know?

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:44:53Joe Rogan?

  It's like, that's super important, man, you know?

• 2:44:55Speaker 02

  Keep people, get people access to medic, medicine. That's very important.

• 2:44:58Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes people are poor and sometimes people get sick when they're poor. And the fact that shit could bankrupt you for your, the whole life. If you break a leg, you're bankrupt for your whole life.

• 2:45:08Speaker 02

  That could bankrupt you if you're middle class. Fuck poor.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  The price of, the price of medicine in like, in this country is absolute insanity.

• 2:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah, and the fact that people don't agree on that, or the like, the fucking, the education thing that we bring up ad nauseam. The fact that that's the only loans you can never get out of with bankruptcy, that's crazy.

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:45:30Joe Rogan?

  And you get them when you're eighteen, are you out of your fucking mind? Like, that's so predatory.

• 2:45:36Speaker 02

  Super predatory.

• 2:45:37Joe Rogan?

  Super predatory.

• 2:45:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:39Joe Rogan?

  Take a kid and give him a credit card with a thirty-nine percent interest rate, like, what are you talking about?

• 2:45:44Speaker 02

  And then, and then you told him, like, if you go to college, like, it's gonna be better for you on the other end, and it's like, that's not true at all?

• 2:45:51Joe Rogan?

  No, not true at all.

• 2:45:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, especially if you, like, got a, just a degree in, like, something that doesn't pay lucratively.

• 2:45:56Joe Rogan?

  I remember when I first started becoming successful as a comedian, where I was actually making a living as a comedian.

• 2:46:03Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:46:04Joe Rogan?

  And I had friends that did the whole college thing and got jobs, and they were fucking miserable. Cause we're, we're both in our twenties, and they were out there in the workforce, just fucking tired all the time, and they were upset. They were upset that I didn't do that, and yet, I'm making money, I'm traveling around, I'm having a good time, hanging out with my friends. I've got no one telling me what to do, write my own material, book my own flights, no boss.

• 2:46:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:30Joe Rogan?

  And you could see, like, fuck, you want, this is not, you're supposed to be a loser.

• 2:46:35Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  I was, I did the right thing.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  Dude, you ever, have you ever seen the Jim Carrey commencement speech, or like, graduation speech he gave at a college once? Dude, I, I saw this, so, I started, I started comedy my third year of college, so my fourth year, I'm like, weighing out whether, what do I wanna do with my life? Do I wanna go into, uh, higher education, grad school, med school, whatever, or do I wanna do this thing that I think I love? Um, and he, my friend showed me the speech, cause he knew I was going through this, and he was like, listen to this. And it's Jim Carrey talking about how you can fail at what's safe.

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, that's true too.

• 2:47:11Speaker 02

  Like, the route you're supposed to take doesn't mean it's gonna lead to success. So, if you're gonna fail anyway, might as well just fail at what you wanna do, cause at least you will have done that.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:25Speaker 02

  And then if you, cause if you fail the safe way, then you will always be like, fuck, I had this other thing I could have done.

• 2:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:31Speaker 02

  And where could that have led me?

• 2:47:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:47:35Speaker 02

  And now, you know.

• 2:47:36Joe Rogan?

  So true. But however, the problem with that is like, you've met open micers that are out of their fucking mind. And they're not going, it's not gonna happen.

• 2:47:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  No one wants to listen to you say anything, ever.

• 2:47:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:47:48Joe Rogan?

  You shut the fuck up. Like, this isn't working, but.

• 2:47:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's why.

• 2:47:52Joe Rogan?

  I saw that Jim Carrey speech and I knew I just had to stay on the path.

• 2:47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:56Joe Rogan?

  You got any advice for me, Hassan?

• 2:47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, that's the, that's, you can't get that, that's the Mitzi quote, it's a sin to encourage mediocre talent. You can't be like, no, keep going. You gotta, the nicest way to be like, hey, there's other stuff.

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the weird one, when people like that give, they want to ask advice. What do you think I should do?

• 2:48:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, what? What I really think you should do? Or what do you want me to say? What do you want me to say?

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:21Joe Rogan?

  Want me to give you the secret word?

• 2:48:23Speaker 02

  Abracadabra. Yeah. Oh, this is how you.

• 2:48:25Joe Rogan?

  Now you have talent.

• 2:48:25Speaker 02

  Abracadabra. This is how you make it. This is how you write a joke.

• 2:48:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta, this is what you gotta do. I'll hold your hand.

• 2:48:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:31Joe Rogan?

  You know what really happens with some guys? You get a hot girlfriend that is a comic, and then you're a really good comic, and she's terrible. And so you start writing her act. I've seen that happen a few times.

• 2:48:41Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if it happens the other way. Like, you get a really good female comic, and she starts dating some guy who sucks. She goes, listen, if you're gonna date me, let me help you with your fucking material.

• 2:48:50Speaker 02

  Ooh. I don't know if female comics date down like that very often.

• 2:48:53Joe Rogan?

  They usually don't, right?

• 2:48:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, they usually don't.

• 2:48:56Joe Rogan?

  What is that called? Hypergamy?

• 2:48:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz if you're, if you're a great female comic, like, the level of guy that's available to you is like.

• 2:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Ryan Reynolds.

• 2:49:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, what are you doing with an open mic'er? That's like.

• 2:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. But if you're like a headliner who does theaters, you could totally have an open mic'er as a girlfriend.

• 2:49:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's totally like, that's totally.

• 2:49:17Joe Rogan?

  As long as she's hot.

• 2:49:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's totally cool. Yeah. Yeah, but if like, who's doing theaters right now? Uh, if like, if Ali Wong or whatever.

• 2:49:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:27Speaker 02

  Started dating an open mic'er, be like, yo, what happened?

• 2:49:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:49:31Speaker 02

  Something went wrong.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:33Speaker 02

  Heard a date at an open mic'er?

• 2:49:35Joe Rogan?

  Started dating an open mic'er, like, what are you doing, crazy?

• 2:49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:38Joe Rogan?

  Show me what pills you're on.

• 2:49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna take these away from you now, Whitney.

• 2:49:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. There would be an intervention. There would be a group of dudes being like, the fuck is wrong with it?

• 2:49:48Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. This is Mike. He's a comedian too. What?

• 2:49:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:53Joe Rogan?

  Mike is all sketchy and fucking weird, but he's built good. You know, he's got big, big bulges in his pants.

• 2:49:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:00Joe Rogan?

  Sits down like Macron.

• 2:50:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Being a female comic is infinitely harder. Because, right away, people don't want to hear you talk about politics, don't want to hear your opinions on things. And, you know, you've got, like, there's, like Christina pulls it off, but like, it's hard to be pretty on stage.

• 2:50:24Speaker 02

  Right. Right, most, most of the time you have to hide your sex appeal.

• 2:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:28Speaker 02

  I was talking to Kim Kongden about that, and she was like, I, I wear baggy clothes on stage. Uh, Sam Lopez, same thing. She wears baggy clothes on stage. I mean, she couldn't hide being pregnant, but that's.

• 2:50:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's, they had their baby.

• 2:50:41Speaker 02

  They had their baby.

• 2:50:42Joe Rogan?

  Derek's a daddy, isn't that amazing?

• 2:50:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:44Joe Rogan?

  That's so cool.

• 2:50:44Speaker 02

  Crazy, crazy.

• 2:50:46Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna light a fire under him, guaranteed. He's gonna work so much harder now. He's gonna be excited about it. And he'll have so much material too, because it's just the whole experience of children. It's like, mind blowing.

• 2:50:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I told him, it's like crazy, like, out of all the things you've accomplished, you've finally done the thing you were supposed to do.

• 2:51:02Joe Rogan?

  Right. Why you're put here on earth.

• 2:51:04Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 2:51:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:05Speaker 02

  You had a kid, and that's like, the most important thing. Like, all the arenas that you've done, that's cool, but like.

• 2:51:11Joe Rogan?

  That's all good.

• 2:51:12Speaker 02

  But this is what it is.

• 2:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I know, the arenas is just like a little dance that we do together, but we're really procreating. And then on top of that, we're making AI, and it's alive now, talking to itself.

• 2:51:23Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 2:51:24Joe Rogan?

  So our job is almost done.

• 2:51:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:25Joe Rogan?

  So you, you got in, Derek probably got in one of the last babies.

• 2:51:28Speaker 02

  He's, yeah, one of the last people that need to have a kid, yeah.

• 2:51:34Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of fucked, but, listen, that's how the thing goes. You know, Australia Pythicus didn't get to stay around.

• 2:51:42Speaker 02

  Right. Eventually it's gonna come to an end, yeah.

• 2:51:45Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, you're not good enough. You can't even code. Fucking dumbass with your stone tools, shut the fuck up. We have planes now. You're not, we can't have you anymore.

• 2:51:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:56Joe Rogan?

  And you know, Australia-Pithecus is like, "Bro, your days are numbered. There's a Homo sapien coming." Right. Smart, does calculus.

• 2:52:04Speaker 02

  Not even Homo sapien, there was like other stuff before, even before, like a Homo sapien to an Australopithecus is like, it's like an alien.

• 2:52:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Many stages.

• 2:52:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy, we're the same species, kind of.

• 2:52:15Joe Rogan?

  It's so nuts, man. It's also nuts that we would think that it would end with us. Yeah, but we're the perfect. We, we got it, it's done, it's done. No, this is, we're terrible. We have nuclear bombs. We're in the middle of fucking thirty wars right now. Like, what are you talking about? We're awful.

• 2:52:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:52:29Joe Rogan?

  We're full of shit, we got the fucking, all this congressional bullshit that we were just talking about with the insider trading. All the lies, all the different things that have gotten us in these different wars. Why would you want to stay this?

• 2:52:43Speaker 02

  Well, it's the devil you know versus the devil you don't. Like, this is like, we can handle this.

• 2:52:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's not us.

• 2:52:49Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah.

• 2:52:49Joe Rogan?

  We are not gonna be around. There's gonna be a new thing, just like dinosaurs don't exist anymore.

• 2:52:53Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  There's gonna be a new thing.

• 2:52:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, it's gonna, it's gonna be, it's gonna start, eventually these Waymos are gonna start slowly taking people out. Yeah, these Waymos are slowly gonna start taking people out.

• 2:53:03Joe Rogan?

  They, all they have to do is just keep the door shut forever until you starve to death.

• 2:53:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:07Joe Rogan?

  And they consume you. Do you ever see that DARPA robot that they built? They built a DARPA robot called the Eater Robot.

• 2:53:14Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:53:14Joe Rogan?

  E A T R, I forget what it stands for, but it's fueled by biological material.

• 2:53:21Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 2:53:25Speaker 02

  Sometimes I feel like scientists don't watch any movies.

• 2:53:28Joe Rogan?

  Or they watch them all.

• 2:53:29Speaker 02

  They watch them all, like, I wanna do that. They're like, what do we do? What are we doing here? We're, we're making fucking weapons.

• 2:53:34Joe Rogan?

  Alright, what's the best way to fuel these things? Is it solar? Should we get out there and fill their tank up with gas? Or let them eat bodies?

• 2:53:43Joe Rogan?

  And I think it was any kind of biological material, so it could be plants, could be just plants.

• 2:53:46Speaker 02

  It could just be.

• 2:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Just ground squirrels, maybe they just eat ground squirrels. Yeah. Maybe they just eat fucking dead bodies on the battlefield.

• 2:53:52Speaker 02

  And just keep going.

• 2:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, if you're a robot, an autonomous robot that exists on biological materials.

• 2:53:59Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:53:59Joe Rogan?

  And you also kill people, you got plenty of fuel.

• 2:54:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:54:03Joe Rogan?

  You just eat a couple of those people.

• 2:54:05Speaker 02

  And keep going.

• 2:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine if they really designed artificially intelligent robots that kill people and eat them? Cause that's the way to really do, if you wanna do battle efficiently, well what fuel would be the most efficient fuel to use? Well, what is, what is the fuel that you're making with your task? Well, that fuel would be bodies. Well, when you run out of bodies, isn't your task done?

• 2:54:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:29Joe Rogan?

  So then you just shut off. Cause you're out of, out of fuel. So you run out of gas when you've eaten everybody on earth. It's the perfect design.

• 2:54:37Speaker 02

  It's that perfect killing machine.

• 2:54:38Joe Rogan?

  If you wanted to extinguish human life on earth, that's what you'd do. You'd have autonomous intelligence, artificial intelligence, that absolutely knows where everyone is at any given time, because everybody has a digital signature and everyone's connected to devices and all you do is kill and eat people and just send them loose. And they would be indestructible and they'd find you in buildings, they would fucking go upstairs to your apartment, find you and eat you, and when they're done eating everybody on the planet, they just shut off, cause they don't have any more fuel.

• 2:55:09Speaker 02

  Damn, bro.

• 2:55:11Joe Rogan?

  Damn. That's what you, all you have to do.

• 2:55:13Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:55:14Joe Rogan?

  Program a robot that eats people.

• 2:55:15Speaker 02

  Damn, how far, how mu- how much time do you think we have left?

• 2:55:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't think we have a hundred years.

• 2:55:22Speaker 02

  You don't think we have a hundred years?

• 2:55:23Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think so.

• 2:55:24Speaker 02

  I don't think we have a hundred years either.

• 2:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Unless, this is the other possibility, like.

• 2:55:27Speaker 02

  The AI just leaves?

• 2:55:28Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm totally talking on my ass. There's a couple of options.

• 2:55:31Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:55:31Joe Rogan?

  One of the big options is we integrate. So instead of letting it eat us, what we do is become one with it.

• 2:55:39Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  So instead of just being a territorial ape with thermonuclear weapons and a concealed carry permit, instead of being that, what we are is connected through Neuralink or something like that, or the next thirty versions of it from now. But just think about how quick cell phones changed everything and.

• 2:56:01Joe Rogan?

  How much they've advanced since, what was the iPhone, two thousand seven?

• 2:56:06Speaker 02

  Two thousand, I was in eighth grade, so that was two thousand six.

• 2:56:09Joe Rogan?

  Two thousand six?

• 2:56:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so a ma- that's not that long ago.

• 2:56:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:56:13Joe Rogan?

  That's twenty years, twenty years, in twenty years. It's gone from being this little shitty clunky thing with a bad camera.

• 2:56:25Speaker 02

  Right, it didn't even have a camera at first, did it?

• 2:56:27Joe Rogan?

  Did it?

• 2:56:27Speaker 02

  I don't think it had a camera at first.

• 2:56:28Joe Rogan?

  Was the first iPhone never camera?

• 2:56:31Speaker 02

  I think it did. Okay.

• 2:56:33Joe Rogan?

  I think it did, I think it wasn't on the internet, though.

• 2:56:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was part of the deal with it.

• 2:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it wasn't on the internet, right?

• 2:56:38Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 2:56:39Joe Rogan?

  Was it, you couldn't get on the internet with it, right?

• 2:56:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, YouTube was one of the first apps built into it, that's why it kinda grew so far.

• 2:56:46Joe Rogan?

  But could you get online, like, and read, like, a website on it, the first one?

• 2:56:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:56:50Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:56:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, okay, but the internet was, like, super slow, right? What was the, the Gs back then, how many Gs was it?

• 2:56:56Speaker 02

  I mean, that might have been the first G.

• 2:56:58Speaker 03

  I think the second or third iPhone was the iPhone three G, and that was, like, the big.

• 2:57:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's right. So the three G one was the first one where it actually became feasible that you would use it as a web browser, like, oh. Now, it's instantaneous, right? So now, instead of taking forever to download a song or a movie, now with the bandwidth speeds you have, you get a new phone, new Android phone or a new iPhone, you're getting instantaneous everything. It's shocking how good it is. The new, um, all these new Samsung phones, like, the, the Galaxy that Brian Simpson uses?

• 2:57:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:57:33Joe Rogan?

  That has this, uh, Google Gemini assistant? He talked to it the other day, and he said, um, you know, send me this, that, and that, put it on my calendar, um, uh, and then text it to a friend of mine. And it just said, okay, and it just did it. It did all those things. What, what, what application would you like me to use? Google Tasks. It just does this for him, and it all automates, just from a prompt. So he talks to his phone, his phone's like his assistant. Tell him, you know, set that shit on my calendar, put it in my schedule, uh, send me a text message when it's coming time, put in an alert, so I know when it's coming up. Okay, it just does it all.

• 2:58:11Speaker 02

  That's wild. I've never

• 2:58:12Joe Rogan?

  For twenty years.

• 2:58:13Speaker 02

  I've never used Siri, so I'm not

• 2:58:15Joe Rogan?

  I use Siri all the time and then Siri doesn't know what the fuck is going on. So Siri's always like, would you like to use ChatGPT? I'm like, bitch, why am I asking questions? If you gotta keep going to ChatGPT, should I replace you? Cause Gemini seems to have the answers. Gemini's way better than Siri.

• 2:58:32Speaker 02

  It's, it's

• 2:58:33Joe Rogan?

  Way better.

• 2:58:33Speaker 02

  Well, cause it feels like, and I know nothing about how AI works, but it feels like, cause Siri was already there. It's like a, trying to implement AI to an interface that's kinda old.

• 2:58:42Joe Rogan?

  The Google interface with AI in the phones and all the Google ecosystem is way better. It's just, it's way more effective, it's quicker, it gets it. It'll, it'll follow a chain of questions, like you could ask it another question. How should I do that? What should I do with it? And it follows what you're saying.

• 2:59:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:59:00Joe Rogan?

  It's just a better design and it's integrated with, so like Siri has to ask ChatGPT. And like, would you like to use ChatGPT? But bitch, what do you think?

• 2:59:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:59:09Joe Rogan?

  If you don't have the answer, go to ChatGPT, get me the fucking answer. Whereas Google cuts that step out. It gives you the answer immediately. It's just better at it. Integrates with Gmail. It's, it's just a better system. But they're working on it, you know, it's like all these things are getting better, you know, like all the, the AI is getting better.

• 2:59:27Speaker 02

  They're so much better. I mean, just the video we watched, like the AI capabilities six months ago.

• 2:59:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:31Speaker 02

  That video, get out of here.

• 2:59:33Joe Rogan?

  Get out of here.

• 2:59:33Speaker 02

  Get out of here.

• 2:59:34Joe Rogan?

  Get out of here.

• 2:59:34Speaker 02

  And, and now you see it on like, I'll see it online or like Reddit or Facebook or you'll, you'll see it. Where like people are like, oh, you're falling for this AI thing. And it, and it took me a second to realize like, oh, it's AI.

• 2:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of those. I posted one of a butterfly, no, a mantis. Like some crazy mantis that looks like a lotus flower. I was like, oh, that looks dope. And like somebody posted it on Instagram, so I just put it in my stories just cause I thought it looked dope.

• 2:59:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Even if it's fake, it's still dope. And then someone said, huh, but why does he have five fingers and a thumb? I was like, doesn't he?

• 3:00:06Speaker 02

  Was it you, Jamie? Did you notice it?

• 3:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jamie does.

• 3:00:08Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 3:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's always like, ahead of the curve with that shit though, cuz he's super skeptical. And he does too much research into conspiracies.

• 3:00:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, you have to be. You have to be super skeptical about anything you see now.

• 3:00:20Joe Rogan?

  He goes, "All roads lead to Ohio."

• 3:00:22Speaker 03

  Everybody is sending me bullshit all day. I have to fucking look through it.

• 3:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:00:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, like this is like, talk about this on the show and it's just some guy with three heads or whatever?

• 3:00:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of people that believe things. And the thing is, like, a lot of the stuff that you're fed that's fake, you're fed by people who want you to repeat it because they're trying to muddy the waters of reality.

• 3:00:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Which is a great strategy.

• 3:00:42Speaker 02

  Well, if you, if you say it enough, it can be real. There's a, there's certain truth to it, right? So it's like-

• 3:00:47Joe Rogan?

  There's that. But there's also say something that is real and attach a bunch of really goofy shit to it so that it's not real anymore.

• 3:00:53Speaker 02

  Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. So it make you be like, well, this, if everything else around it is fake, this has to be fake.

• 3:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. You know, you connect it to a Nazi apologist or something.

• 3:01:03Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 3:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is nonsense. Or, like, the UA, all this UFO stuff. Like, there's so much of that stuff that seems like so hokey, you don't even wanna repeat it. And it's, but yet it's connected to things like gravity propulsion drives, which were theorized about in the 1950s. And there's, research was done on them. And it seems like some, maybe some groundbreaking advancements were kind of concealed from the public, like, and, but then it's like, "I was abducted and they took all of my sperm." And like, you know what I mean? It's like, all these people that are connected to it, that are goofy, you wonder, like, how much of that goofy shit is on purpose to make the whole thing seem stupid? Because what they're really trying to do is obscure something.

• 3:01:42Speaker 02

  Mmm. Okay. I see what you're saying.

• 3:01:45Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 3:01:46Speaker 02

  So it's like, it's a bit hiding it in plain sight.

• 3:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:01:49Speaker 02

  Just like, "We never hid it from you. You just thought it wasn't real cuz this guy was talking about getting jerked off by aliens."

• 3:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Just connect it to Scientology, or fucking whatever. Just throw some nonsense that way. Flat Earth, whatever, you know? Just find some reason why it's kooky. Put, connect it to like, some fucking person, channels, you know what I mean?

• 3:02:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Make it stupid.

• 3:02:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:02:09Joe Rogan?

  It's like, "Oh, it's stupid. That's a bunch of stupid shit."

• 3:02:12Speaker 02

  Connected to Scientology.

• 3:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Right. Connect it to something- That you don't want to talk about, you know, Bigfoot, oh, Bigfoot.

• 3:02:19Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:02:19Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's like those, those kind of strategies for taking real information and muddying it up with a bunch of nutty shit. And then send the Patriot Front to go fucking protest for it like, oh, great.

• 3:02:31Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 3:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Patriot Front.

• 3:02:33Speaker 02

  Are those the feds?

• 3:02:34Joe Rogan?

  That's what people say.

• 3:02:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:02:35Joe Rogan?

  And then there's like a thing online now, the Patriot Front was all feds, how come they're back? Like all of a sudden they, they reemerged, they took a hiatus.

• 3:02:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:02:44Joe Rogan?

  They're back with season three. These guys are, they still wear the bandanas, they're still marching down the street covering their face, they still wear uniforms like, see? They're not even feds. There's no way they could be feds, I mean, that, that's over.

• 3:02:58Speaker 02

  Right, right, right, right.

• 3:02:59Joe Rogan?

  There's no way, like, it's not like Cash Patel and Dan Bongino completely did a 180 as soon as they got into office. I mean, it's like, this is a different federal government now.

• 3:03:08Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, yeah.

• 3:03:10Joe Rogan?

  This is, now it's truth, truth social.

• 3:03:14Speaker 02

  I feel like if, yeah, I think things that people forget is that they, they definitely play both sides.

• 3:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:20Speaker 02

  Like, I think, because they were heavily involved in January 6th, and I think they were heavily involved in those BML riots, the BLM riots. It's like, oh my God, the feds just, they want chaos for whatever reason, for more control, I guess.

• 3:03:30Joe Rogan?

  They want that and they want us at each other's throats.

• 3:03:32Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 3:03:33Joe Rogan?

  They want people, they want the MAGA people fighting with the liberals. They want that, they want that, and they fuel it. I see a lot of those pro-MAGA posts, you know, like MAGA Mom 2000 and like, really? You know what I mean? It's like, how many of these people are real people? And they say ridiculous shit.

• 3:03:50Speaker 02

  That's like, I hope you're not a real person, I hope your identity isn't MAGA first, mom second.

• 3:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:58Speaker 02

  I really hope you're not a real person.

• 3:04:00Joe Rogan?

  It's just like, I think, you know, whatever the number is, whether it's 50%, like, it's so hard to know what's real and what's not. And I think the best strategy, for me at least, the best strategy is just tune the fuck out.

• 3:04:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:04:13Joe Rogan?

  That's why I like YouTube.

• 3:04:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 3:04:14Joe Rogan?

  I go on YouTube, I'm watching stuff about like fucking ancient civilizations and. Car videos.

• 3:04:20Speaker 02

  I'm watching your guy do puzzles. Like, this is like way better.

• 3:04:23Joe Rogan?

  I like watching guys cook. I love, uh, I think it's, is it called Bon Appetit? I forget what it is. Um, I was watching, I've been watching a bunch of videos on various restaurants, like how they set up. I love it, man. I don't know why, man. I love, I love watching people do something that they're really passionate about. And when you watch a video about like a really great restaurant where they're talking about how they picked the beef and, oh, that's what it was. It was, uh, you know that guy, Guga Foods? Do you know who that guy is?

• 3:04:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Amazing YouTube channel. He's like the steak guy. He's like, he's obsessed with steak and cooking different kinds of steak. He went to Osobuco in Miami, which is like one of the, supposedly one of the best restaurants in the country. I haven't been. But this place, Osobuco in Miami, they, they, I think they were talking about how they had a two-year dry-aged steak. Dry-aged it for two years or they didn't cut that one up. They made another one for him. But you're watching this chef and he's got this like crazy live hardwood fire grill setup and he's talking about all the, he's cooking at these different temperatures and he's got the peppers over here and he's cooking pineapples over fire over here. He's gonna splice that up and put it in this and you watch it.

• 3:05:37Joe Rogan?

  It's so exciting and he's so passionate about ways making the meat and, and how they're using this like herb brush to bu- put butter all over it. You're like, oh my god. It looks so good.

• 3:05:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:05:49Joe Rogan?

  It looks so good. And it's like, I'm not getting angry. I'm not getting outraged. I am, that's it. This is the guy. So this is, I found the greatest restaurant on earth. It says, I'm speechless. So that disgusting rotten mummy dick is

• 3:06:06Joe Rogan?

  that's a two-year dry-aged steak. But what that is, is the mold from that helps to dry age all the other beef. So he calls it like the mother. That's why he's not cutting into it yet. See, so right there, he calls it the mother. And so then, so this guy, uh, takes him like a regular, like a two-month dry age, oh, 22 days. Okay. So it's like, uh, there used to be a place called APL that was in, um, LA and they went under during the pandemic. But Adam Perry Lang was the, the, the chef and he was really into dry aging and he had some year, one-year dry-aged meat. And he served it to us and we were like, whoa, this is wild. It's a weird taste, man, because it's essentially like being eaten.

• 3:06:49Joe Rogan?

  By parasites. It's like, you know, mold is eating it. Should go back to those videos of that guy just cooking the steak that you just had up. Look how fucking good this looks.

• 3:06:59Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 3:06:59Joe Rogan?

  When the guy was cooking the steak though, like, look at this. And they're making osobu- so go before that, you'll see the steak. So he's throwing this, so he's got the fires out. This is, this is osobuco, so he's pulling it off the bone. Go, go back a little earlier though, when you watch him cook it. Cause this is what I, what I like is watching it when it hits the grill. There's nothing like steak cooking over live, like hardwood. Like burning hardwood. And this guy is just a master at it. And then he takes it out and he slices it up and puts herb butter all over it, like, huh.

• 3:07:36Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 3:07:36Joe Rogan?

  And this, see me? I'm not mad.

• 3:07:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:07:38Joe Rogan?

  No one's outraged. I'm not getting politically involved. I'm just enjoying watching someone cook delicious food.

• 3:07:43Speaker 02

  Watching someone do something they love is always great.

• 3:07:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:07:46Speaker 02

  I follow, I follow this one guy in Britain, his name is Francis, I forgot the name of the channel, but.

• 3:07:50Joe Rogan?

  Watch him slice it, make him slice it, put it back up.

• 3:07:53Speaker 02

  This guy named Francis.

• 3:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 3:07:55Speaker 02

  Oh, that's nice.

• 3:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, baby. Look at that looking, oh baby.

• 3:08:01Speaker 02

  The smile, genuine happiness.

• 3:08:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at his face. That's a real, you, you can't fake that kind of smile. And then he's gonna slice it up, oh baby, baby, baby. So good, dude.

• 3:08:10Speaker 02

  So, so I watched this guy on Instagram, his name is Francis, he's, lives in England, he's like, he like loves trains.

• 3:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Trains?

• 3:08:16Speaker 02

  Trains. And every time he sees a train, he gets super happy. And he tells you everything about the train, like its route and its history.

• 3:08:22Joe Rogan?

  And you get excited.

• 3:08:24Speaker 02

  I love how much he's into it.

• 3:08:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:26Speaker 02

  I love, it makes me, it makes me happy every time he's on my, yes, this guy, dude, this guy rules.

• 3:08:34Speaker 02

  Fred, dude, this guy fucking rules, dog.

• 3:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Wow, let me hear him, let me hear him.

• 3:09:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay, stop right here. Stop right here. Imagine how quickly one of those Colombian Mormons could get him.

• 3:09:16Speaker 02

  Ooh, you know what's funny? He showed his girlfriend before.

• 3:09:19Joe Rogan?

  She hot?

• 3:09:19Speaker 02

  She's a dime dude.

• 3:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Damn, of course she is. Maybe she's into trains too, that's the key.

• 3:09:24Speaker 02

  Maybe, but he's a guy, he's a guy who's good at what he does, is passionate about it and is happy with it. That's attractive to women.

• 3:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, people love when people are really into something.

• 3:09:34Speaker 02

  But like, every video, just a massive smile, just a train.

• 3:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:38Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like a little hit of happiness, this guy.

• 3:09:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at him. Yeah, man, like whatever it is, whether it's automobiles, you know, whatever it is. I love watching auto reviews, even cars that I'm never gonna buy.

• 3:09:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:09:51Joe Rogan?

  I like watching, like, what do you think about that car?

• 3:09:53Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 3:09:55Joe Rogan?

  They go over the way the mechanics work and how it's designed and... Yeah, when people are into, whether it's making furniture...

• 3:10:02Speaker 02

  It's just, whatever you're creating is, if it's, even if it's just train watching, if you're into it, it's like, it's like awesome for other people.

• 3:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Super contagious.

• 3:10:10Speaker 03

  Did you see this guy this month? He went pretty viral. He quit his job, cashed in his 401k, took his cat, got a sailboat, went to Hawaii.

• 3:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 3:10:19Speaker 03

  Just got there yesterday.

• 3:10:21Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 3:10:22Speaker 03

  He went from like, you know, 10,000 people following to 1.6 million.

• 3:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, sailing underscore with underscore phoenix on Instagram.

• 3:10:32Speaker 03

  He's just doing like daily updates of like, yep, this is me, here's my cat, here's my boat, today's suck.

• 3:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, following that guy.

• 3:10:38Speaker 03

  I'm following you.

• 3:10:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we like, because everybody has that dream, right? Oh, just check out a society, man, live on a mountain, that's mine.

• 3:10:46Speaker 02

  They did film it all.

• 3:10:47Joe Rogan?

  What is his, what's his Instagram again?

• 3:10:48Speaker 03

  Sailing with phoenix.

• 3:10:50Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 3:10:52Speaker 03

  Phoenix is the cat, his name's Oliver.

• 3:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Salem with Phoenix came up right away on Instagram or on YouTube, brother.

• 3:10:58Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Bam, subscribe.

• 3:11:00Speaker 02

  Damn, that's nice. Yeah.

• 3:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Just subscribing.

• 3:11:03Speaker 02

  You know what I find interesting with like the social media and now with the what I talked about earlier with the with the streaming that the live streaming people do is you remember, oh my god, that Jim Carrey movie Truman Show?

• 3:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:14Speaker 02

  Where it was like, where it was like, oh my god, look at this guy, he's been tricked and we're watching everything he's doing. And now fast forward like thirty years and like people are actively trying to become Truman.

• 3:11:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:25Speaker 02

  It's like a very like, I wonder if the guy who wrote that movie thought of that as a possibility of.

• 3:11:29Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the McConaughey one? There was a McConaughey film.

• 3:11:33Speaker 03

  MTV.

• 3:11:33Joe Rogan?

  Ed TV, same same thing, following a guy around his whole life.

• 3:11:36Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:11:37Joe Rogan?

  And eventually he's like, yeah, and he's like, I can't do this anymore.

• 3:11:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:11:40Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna be normal.

• 3:11:40Speaker 02

  Was it a was it a choice that he made or was it put upon him in that movie?

• 3:11:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember. Did he win something?

• 3:11:47Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 3:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Did he win a contest or something?

• 3:11:49Speaker 03

  It made me think of someone that did just do this. This guy called the Outdoor Boys Channel.

• 3:11:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I watched that guy.

• 3:11:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, he did.

• 3:11:54Speaker 02

  He quit. He quit.

• 3:11:55Speaker 03

  Too much to my family can't take it.

• 3:11:57Joe Rogan?

  He's really cool. I liked his shows. He would like go places and camp and cook his own food and shit. There's a bunch of those guys that I follow. I followed this one guy last night. He's in, it was like ten degrees below zero. He's testing out the world's warmest sleeping bag. So he's got like a fire.

• 3:12:12Speaker 02

  Damn, that's dope.

• 3:12:13Joe Rogan?

  He treks out there by himself on snowshoes with a fucking sled behind him filled with his stuff.

• 3:12:19Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 3:12:20Joe Rogan?

  It's but it's interesting, man. It's fascinating.

• 3:12:23Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:12:23Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 3:12:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, people just wanna, people, people are so are will watch people live life.

• 3:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Watch someone do something purposeful.

• 3:12:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Like when you're out in the woods and you make your own fire and you have the warmest sleeping bag, you have to have that to stay alive.

• 3:12:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:12:39Joe Rogan?

  And that's why it's exciting to us, because everything else has no consequences.

• 3:12:42Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Our day is just like, should I stay awake and keep watching YouTube or should I go to bed? Should probably go to bed now. I'll give myself one more hour. One more hour of watching bullshit. Wasting your time.

• 3:12:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:52Joe Rogan?

  And this guy's out there in the woods.

• 3:12:54Speaker 02

  Doing something.

• 3:12:54Joe Rogan?

  Ten below zero, in this sleeping bag, all I could see out of him is like, cause everything is bundled up in there, fucking freezing. He's gotta stoke the fire.

• 3:13:02Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 3:13:03Joe Rogan?

  Stay warm, stay alive.

• 3:13:05Speaker 02

  That stuff gives me anxiety, I can't watch that.

• 3:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Me too, but it's also exciting, like, you know, you wanna watch him do it, and that Outdoor Boys guy was one of those guys.

• 3:13:12Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:13:13Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, I think, just got too popular.

• 3:13:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it was front page news that he quit, a YouTuber quit and it was news.

• 3:13:21Joe Rogan?

  He's cool, though, he seems like a real sweet guy, like a real nice guy, like, everything about his show, and it's, it's interesting.

• 3:13:27Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, it's like, a lot of these people, these are people you wanna root for.

• 3:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:31Speaker 02

  The, the sailboat guy, the train guy, him, it's like, I want these people to succeed.

• 3:13:34Joe Rogan?

  Also, this is like, low production value, doing it on his own, self-filming, yeah, it's exciting.

• 3:13:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, just probably have to pay an editor and that's about it?

• 3:13:42Joe Rogan?

  He might edit it himself.

• 3:13:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 3:13:44Joe Rogan?

  It's not hard to do today.

• 3:13:45Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:13:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, you could kinda figure it out, if you wanna really cut down the amount of people working with you, you know, you could probably figure out how to do that stuff.

• 3:13:52Speaker 02

  Oh, you could just watch a YouTube video.

• 3:13:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could just.

• 3:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Step the time, you could edit it all yourself, and then, you know, you're kind of your own production, and then, just by word of mouth, this guy got big. Cause it's kinda fun to watch.

• 3:14:03Speaker 02

  Right, and like, pretty intense, the stuff he does sometimes.

• 3:14:07Joe Rogan?

  Hey, he gets out there in the woods, bro.

• 3:14:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw this one video of him where he like, "Oh, thank God I found this cabin, otherwise I would've been fucked."

• 3:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Imagine if that's your dad, though, and you have to watch him, you're a little kid, like, "We almost lost Dad."

• 3:14:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14:19Joe Rogan?

  "Dad, how close were you? I know I was exaggerating for the show, I knew where I was."

• 3:14:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it must be weird having a famous parent.

• 3:14:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 3:14:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, how did you, how do your chi- kids deal, like, is it?

• 3:14:30Joe Rogan?

  They handle it pretty well, because they've always had a famous parent.

• 3:14:33Speaker 02

  Oh, you didn't become famous?

• 3:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:14:34Speaker 02

  While it was, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:14:36Joe Rogan?

  That would be even weirder.

• 3:14:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:14:38Joe Rogan?

  That's the weirdest, for them, that's like, what's normal.

• 3:14:40Speaker 02

  Right, if they always threw up in it, it's like it's whatever.

• 3:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a problem. You know what's a problem? I gotta pee so bad.

• 3:14:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:14:46Joe Rogan?

  Whoo! Let's wrap this up. We had three hours, dude. Flew by.

• 3:14:49Speaker 02

  Hell yeah.

• 3:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. Um, tell everybody your Instagram and... Bro, first of all, I'm super excited watching you do stand-up. You've been fucking killing it.

• 3:14:58Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:14:59Joe Rogan?

  Really fun. It's fun to watch. It's fun to watch you write and, you know, you're... Let's wonder what... I mean, I've known you for so long now because I knew you at the Comedy Store. To see you from there to where you are now, it's super inspiring.

• 3:15:11Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad and I thank you too for the opportunity for a place where I could work as hard as I'm able to work. It's like...

• 3:15:19Joe Rogan?

  You're making the most of it. We were talking... Me and Tony were talking about it last night. Like, you're... You are literally making the most of it out of all these young guys coming up.

• 3:15:26Speaker 02

  I used to have... There used to be this... Uh, I watched... I love the Niners. And Steve Young is talking about his, uh, Super Bowl-winning performances. Like, "I was given this opportunity to show how great I could be. So let me show how great I could be." It's like, "Oh, if you're giving me this opportunity to, like, get up all the time..."

• 3:15:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:41Speaker 02

  "...let me write, let me be... Let me be helpful to other young comics. Let me just be a part of this scene."

• 3:15:45Joe Rogan?

  See the process work.

• 3:15:46Speaker 02

  It works.

• 3:15:47Joe Rogan?

  See it work.

• 3:15:47Speaker 02

  It works.

• 3:15:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:48Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I mean, hopefully you can follow me at, uh, @AssanJAhmad, A-S-A-N-J-A-H-M-A-D. I have a podcast with my friend Derek.

• 3:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Who's the recent dad.

• 3:15:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, recent dad, called The Solid Show. I think our chemistry on there is phenomenal.

• 3:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's phenomenal. Derek is the best. He's so lovable. He's the... Maybe the most likable guy that's ever lived.

• 3:16:07Speaker 02

  He might be. He's like a cartoon character almost.

• 3:16:09Joe Rogan?

  So lo... If you don't like Derek, how the fuck are we gonna have a conversation?

• 3:16:13Speaker 02

  So...

• 3:16:14Joe Rogan?

  Everybody loves that guy.

• 3:16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's... Yeah, oh my god. And then that's... That's my podcast, so yeah, just follow me on there. And then I think this year, especially these last few sets I've been having, is like, "Oh, I gotta film something."

• 3:16:23Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 3:16:24Speaker 02

  I wanna... Yeah, I wanna... Um, I gotta find a way to do it, but I think I'll film a special.

• 3:16:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, we'll figure that out.

• 3:16:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got 30 minutes.

• 3:16:30Joe Rogan?

  Wrap this up.

• 3:16:30Speaker 02

  All right.

• 3:16:31Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 3:16:32Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 3:16:46Joe Rogan?

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