#2299 - Dave Smith

Dave Smith is a stand-up comedian, libertarian political commentator, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Part of the Problem" podcast, as well as a co-host of the "Legion of Skanks” podcast. www.comicdavesmith.com 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you again, sir.

• 0:15Speaker 03

  Good to see you too, man.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you again. These times are trouble and chaos.

• 0:20Speaker 03

  Wild, wild times.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Where leftists are lighting Teslas on fire and putting swastikas on them.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  And that's, and that's the calmest they've been in years. Like, this is actually, for them, probably the best.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  It's so weird how these people are so easy to wind up and get them to do what you want them to do. Just put a narrative out there. You're a good person if you go do this. And they just go run out and fucking cause chaos.

• 0:42Speaker 03

  And it's the most, I mean, look, it's not like as much chaos as, say, like, the Black Lives Matter protest in 2020 or something. But the one about the Tesla, it's like, you're destroying electric cars.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  Which are mostly owned by liberals.

• 0:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, but, but I thought you've been telling me for so long that this is gonna save the world. Like, the importance on going green was that we're all gonna die unless we do it. And now you're taking the most successful electric car company and trying to destroy them? Because, for the crime of pointing out that maybe the $7 trillion that our federal government's spending has a wee bit of corruption in it, you know, like, maybe we could cut some of that? It's so, I don't know, it's so, on every level, it's just so surreal.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  It is surreal. It feels fake. It does. It genuinely feels like we're living in some sort of a stupid movie.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, that makes you wonder. That makes you wonder how controlled the whole thing is, you know? And I don't know, I don't know, but there is a, do you remember, I think I sent it to you at the time. But there was a, like, four years ago, there was a Time Magazine piece about the 2020 election. It was like a real long article about, it was something, like, the title was something like, "How the Shadow Government Stole..." It wasn't exactly that, but it was like, basically went through the real conspiracy of 2020. And they're writing it from the pro-conspiracy point of view. But they're, forget anything about, like, ballots or any of that stuff, which I don't, you know, even when you interviewed Trump, he didn't really have a good answer for that.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  You know, it's like, it was stolen. And you're like, how do you know it was stolen? It was stolen, you know?

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Got the information?

• 2:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the, but what we do know, like the real conspiracy in broad daylight, that they just totally like tanked the economy, overhaul, yeah, that's it. The secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.

• 2:36Joe Rogan?

  Saved.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  And they go deep into like, admitting so much about like the censorship on social media, um, the, the support of the riots and the protests. And what's amazing about it is it really is incredible, their ability to turn on and turn off the protest machine.

• 2:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just money.

• 2:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:58Joe Rogan?

  It's just money. There's a lot of people out there that have nothing to do. They're a bunch, we were talking about the other day, I was like, if I was 21 years old and someone said, hey, they're gonna pay you $400 to go to a Kamala Harris rally, would you go? I'm like, fuck yeah, I'd go. I'd hold that sign up. I'd probably vote for her.

• 3:14Speaker 03

  When I was 21, you had me at $400. The conversation was over.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  It's over.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  It was like, $400?

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  I heard you get a thousand to go protest for Tesla.

• 3:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, can I sneak in both of those? Can we do one?

• 3:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, $1,400 in a day, dude. Nice.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was, I mean, I was thrilled when I was 25 to make like 75 bucks at the comic strip or something like that. So, yeah, but also it's a, you know, it's like, and that's kind of like the whole CIA deep state game, is it's always moving around the margins. You know, like if you, if there's, um, cause like when I, you know, on the show, I've talked about a bunch, like the Maidan revolution in Ukraine.

• 3:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  And when I, when I'd say like, this was a US-backed coup against a democratically-elected president, the response I'd get from people who disagreed with it would always be like, oh, you're denying the agency of the Ukrainian people? Cause like, look at these pictures. There's all these Ukrainian people in the streets. And you're like, well, yeah, but the US poured $100 million into that street protest. Like, you think that made a difference a little bit, you know? And so like, it's not that there weren't real people there.

• 4:19Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  But man, you want to keep a protest going through the Ukrainian winter? And then all of a sudden, you get $100 million and now you got heat lamps and celebrities and concerts and then you keep the whole thing going until the democratically-elected president has to flee for his fucking life. And then what are you supposed to look at that? Oh, that was just an organic revolution? Like, no, it fucking wasn't. You know, this is DC overthrowing Putin's neighbor. And, you know, they don't- Like that detail, cause then it fucks up the whole unprovoked.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people don't like that detail. They don't like the detail that there's many layers of subterfuge inter exchanging with each other. There's just so much money and so much influence and they're so good at it. They've been doing it for so long that they can get Time Magazine to write an article saying how it's good.

• 5:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's great.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  It's good that we saved the 2020 election.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  And that's, and by the way, I love, um, uh, I know your, your podcast with, uh, Mike Benz was phenomenal. That dude's great.

• 5:21Joe Rogan?

  He's phenomenal. I've done a few of them now.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, he's great. But I'll tell you, I already, I knew all that, uh, he's right about all that USAID stuff. And I'll tell you, uh, that was the whole thing. It's, uh, Scott Horton's book Provoked, which is like the best book that's been written on the, the history of the buildup to the war in Ukraine. And it was, it's all in there, dude. If you, and it's all footnoted, but it's like, yeah, they're the ones pumping all this money in. And then they make it out, like when you, when you try to cut it, they're like, oh, no, we were just helping some kids get on a school bus over here and overthrowing the democratically elected government in Ukraine. You know, like we did, we did all of that.

• 5:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the beautiful thing about USAID. You know, it's like they had the money to do all this stuff. There's the money to do essentially whatever they want all over the world. And the way Mike Benz describes it as the stuff that's too dirty for the CIA.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and so they can have plausible deniability too. Cause like, what are you talking about?

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  Non-government organization.

• 6:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, there you go. That's total, right? Yeah, exactly. It's like in the name. They might as well call it, they're like, we're not the CIA.

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  The good guys.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  We're just George Soros's NGO, not the CIA at all. Totally removed. Um, but also the, the thing is that, you know, when you look at like the actual money, cause sometimes they'll, they'll kind of point out that, you know, like, oh, this is a very small percentage of the budget. And it's like, yeah.

• 6:39Joe Rogan?

  Tiny amount of money.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Well, right. It's a small percentage of.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Just a few billion dollars.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Our budget. But our budget, I mean, the, I know the entire GDP of Russia is like $2 trillion. The entire economy. And I don't know what Ukraine is, but it's smaller than that. And

• 6:57Speaker 03

  We spend like between six and seven trillion dollars a year, just our government. So when you're talking about flooding in a hundred million dollars, flooding in a few billion, I think like it's like five or six billion dollars since 91 we put into Ukraine. That may not sound like that much money in the context of America, the biggest economy or the second biggest economy in the world. But politically, in a small country like Ukraine, that moves mountains. That changes the entire landscape when the world empire is pumping that type of money.

• 7:26Joe Rogan?

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• 10:23Joe Rogan?

  China does, Russia does, it looks very bad for America all over the world, things get dangerous.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  It's almost, almost always, the warhawks rely on an unfalsifiable counterfactual. You know, so it's like, oh, but if we didn't do this and we ran the counterfactual, it would be this crazy other scenario that's somehow even worse than this. Now, the problem with that, from my perspective, is, number one, the factual scenario is like, something like four to five million dead civilians over the last 25 years, entire nations destroyed, eight trillion dollars depleted from the US Treasury, tens of thousands of our bravest young men blowing their brains out. So, you know, if you're relying on this unfalsifiable counterfactual,

• 11:14Speaker 03

  but it would have been worse if we hadn't fought a war in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria and Libya and Somalia and Yemen and all these places over the last years. Okay. I'd say the onus is on you to really have to demonstrate that and not just assert that it would be worse if we hadn't done this. But also like, you know, we're going broke doing it. Like, we're $36 trillion in debt. We can't even afford it. And the idea that if we were to get out of the game of being the world empire, then like China would go, okay, great, now we get to destroy ourselves. And it just seems completely, um, it seems extremely unlikely that that would be the case.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  And also, you know, it's like, people act like, okay, if we weren't doing this in Ukraine, then Vladimir Putin could do whatever he wanted to. Or if we weren't doing this, then China could do whatever they wanted to. But they've got adversaries all around them too, who are richer than them, maybe not in China's case, but certainly in Putin's case, richer than them, are opposed to them. There's an, all of Western Europe is not just a pushover. China has Japan and South Korea, and they've, they've got their own, you know, the truth is that there's, nobody has the power that the US government has to do this shit. It's only, like, we're the ones who can do this. And it would just be a better world if we just didn't. Like, you just can't convince me that, like, if we just hadn't have fought the terror

• 12:39Speaker 03

  wars, like, which was totally a possibility. We could have, we had, um, the whole war on terrorism could have been over by Christmas of 2001, with the special ops taking out the Al Qaeda cells. They could have trapped Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora when they had him there, and they let him escape into, uh, into Pakistan. Because, you know, if you-

• 12:59Joe Rogan?

  Why, why do you think they did that?

• 13:00Speaker 03

  Because they already had their eye on Baghdad. And, you know, if Osama bin Laden is caught, you don't get your bonus war.

• 13:06Joe Rogan?

  Oy.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? He's got, the whole, the whole, um, war propaganda for invading Afghanistan, it wasn't, everyone remembers WMDs, but it wasn't just that claim. It was the claim, which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and all the neocons pushed real hard, was that he was in on 9/11. Now, this totally fell apart because it was never true, and they knew it wasn't true. But the claim was, he's got these weapons, and he could hand them off to the terrorists- And then, you know, what was the Condoleezza Rice line was like, we don't want the warning to be in the form of a mushroom cloud or something like that.

• 13:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  The fear was they're gonna nuke Kansas or whatever. As soon as, as soon as Saddam Hussein gives the weapons he doesn't have to the terrorists he's not friends with, but if they caught Osama bin Laden, I think that would have, that would have destroyed the, the whole seven wars in five years.

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  It's the Wesley Clark strategy.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. You wanna hear something else on the Wesley Clark thing? This is new. So, Pierce Morgan, say what you will about him, he hosted a debate between, which I love doing the show, not trashing it, but it's, it's a circus, but.

• 14:14Joe Rogan?

  It is a circus.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:16Joe Rogan?

  I think he's very smart.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Oh, he's a genius, dude.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  That circus is a fucking lot of people lining up.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Dude, he is, he figured out, and you gotta give him so much credit, cuz he's probably the only one from like the old guard of corporate media.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  Who figured it out. He went, okay, I see where we are.

• 14:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  I see what's going on, and I know what people want to see happen.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  Tucker figured it out too, but in a different way.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Tucker is actually, yes. Tucker is the one who really figured it out.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  Tucker is basically doing this kind of a show.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I think.

• 14:46Joe Rogan?

  He's basically doing long form podcasts.

• 14:47Speaker 03

  Well, look.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  But with people who sucked Obama's dick.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Sometimes.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  And other various experts.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  And others.

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  And other really, really.

• 14:54Speaker 03

  It's not only that.

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, really amazing people.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Maybe 10% of the coverage is about who sucked Obama's dick.

• 14:59Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that physician who was on the other day that was talking about all the cancer rises?

• 15:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:03Joe Rogan?

  They're seeing cancer.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw a few clips from it. It's very, very interesting.

• 15:07Joe Rogan?

  Fucking crazy. They're seeing pancreatic cancer in kids, little kids, which is just unheard of. He was saying that in all of his career, he had never seen pancreatic cancer in a child before.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:20Joe Rogan?

  And now, now they're seeing it.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Well, they, I mean, they used to call type 2 diabetes adult onset diabetes.

• 15:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Cuz it was like, the kids don't get it.

• 15:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  It was like unheard of.

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  And now it's like, all over the place.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:32Speaker 03

  I saw that thing, I saw it, cuz you posted it, but the Kaylee Means.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Things were, it's so great. So great, dude.

• 15:39Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't it fucking amazing? It's just amazing that they're arguing against this.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Well, there's like no argument. And like, I'm far from, I don't really understand the shit that well, but you go, okay. It's crazy that Bobby Kennedy is overhauling this whole thing and cutting all this and you're like, okay, okay. We spend more on health than any other nation in the world by far.

• 16:04Joe Rogan?

  And we're sicker.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  And we're the sickest.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  You're telling me there shouldn't, and, and your position here, the, it, it just like exposes that the entire media, it's like, your, your position here is to get in between the regime and any threat to the regime.

• 16:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also radical change and radical change causes controversy and controversy is what they sell.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  So the media is going to sell that and they're going to sell it on, on the angle of, this is creating all sorts of problems, all sorts of people are losing their jobs, budgets are getting cut, people are getting fired, they're out on the street. It's that, like that, that's just what they, they have to do that. That is what, if you're doing television media, newsprint media, subscription media, that's part of your job.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Well, but you could also get huge ratings by covering the controversy that is, we spend more money and have the worst outcomes.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Can't do it, can't do it. Cause you get too much money from the pharmaceutical companies, which is also what Kelly Means pointed that out.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Right. And, and I mean, look, if the, if the media was just driven by ratings, they'd be doing shows on Jeffrey Epstein every day.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  Every day.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  I mean, cause they would, you'd be the number one show in cable news. You could go, I'm going to talk about no other topic. Give me the, the 8pm hour on MSNBC or CNN or Fox News or whatever. And I'll say, I'm just going to make my show about Jeffrey Epstein. That's the, every single day, that's all we're doing. I guarantee you I have the number one show in cable news.

• 17:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  More people would want to watch that.

• 17:30Joe Rogan?

  The Candace Owens show that's on YouTube.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. And it's doing better numbers than any of the shows on cable news.

• 17:36Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's phenomenal. It's, it's like they created a monster with her. When they, when they fired her from the Daily Wire, they created a monster.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, they sure did.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  She can't be stopped.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. There's no stopping Candace Owens at this point.

• 17:49Joe Rogan?

  She's hitting all the fucking third rails that no one wants to touch. She's got a six hour presentation on how Bridget McCrone is a man. I mean, it's fucking six hours plus long.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  I like, I don't know, I don't know if she's even kinda right about that.

• 18:03Joe Rogan?

  I think she's right.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  But she's got a lot of shit to say on it.

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  Bro. She would be getting sued right now instead of trying, they're trying to bribe her. Instead of trying to give her money to shut the fuck up.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  They would sue her.

• 18:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, you're probably right about that.

• 18:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if they are suing her. Have they, have they tried to file anything? They probably have. They probably filed some bullshit lawsuits too.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  I'm sure, I'm sure she's dealing with several.

• 18:24Joe Rogan?

  I'm pretty sure she's right. I don't know. I might be wrong.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  I think she's right. The whole thing stinks and what stinks way worse than that giant distraction is that the number one opponent from Macron just got sentenced to four years in jail and barred from political life for five years.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  And the frontrunner, not just the number one opponent, the one who's winning.

• 18:46Joe Rogan?

  Winning, yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fucking crazy. It's what they tried to do to Trump plus.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, they were able to take it further.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  And then we'll see if there's the backlash the same way there was when they tried to do that to Trump. And it's just so, it's like the, um, the there's some propaganda that's like almost too it can't be successful propaganda, like saying Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and is in bed with terrorists. That's good propaganda right there. You know, right after nine 11, you could totally convince the average American that, okay, well, we can't let that stand. You know, in a post nine 11 world, we can't allow some Arab dictator to have nuclear weapons and he's friends with the terrorists and he's in on nine 11. Okay, we got, but to say the propaganda is democracy is on the ballot

• 19:36Speaker 03

  while you're trying to arrest your, your opponent because he's winning in the polls.

• 19:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  That's just too, like, it's too ridiculous. It's too on its face.

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  You have to say what you're arresting him for.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:48Joe Rogan?

  And then when people look at it, you're like, wait, Mar-a-Lago is worth how much?

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:52Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. Thirty-four what? Bookkeeping errors? Their misdemeanors? How, where's the felony?

• 19:58Speaker 03

  And you're saying-

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it past the statute of limitations? It is.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  And, and like, and nobody's ever been tried on this chart, this is a novel, like, like a charge where it would be a misdemeanor, but you've ramped it up to a felony.

• 20:10Joe Rogan?

  Novel, the real estate thing too.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  And there's no victim involved. The banks themselves are telling you.

• 20:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Oh, we were happy to do business with Donald Trump.

• 20:16Joe Rogan?

  And we got paid.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:18Joe Rogan?

  We got our money back. There's no victims at all. And it's what every real estate agent does.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:24Joe Rogan?

  Every real estate salesman, every real estate investor.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:29Joe Rogan?

  They overvalue their properties. And your property is essentially only worth what people are willing to pay for it.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, it's so ob- it was so obvious that they were just weaponizing the, the legal system to go after them.

• 20:40Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. Like, they, they tried to say Mar-a-Lago was only worth 18 million.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:46Joe Rogan?

  It's like, dude, I would buy it. Right away. If someone told me you could get Mar-a-Lago for 18 million, I'd call my accountant right now. I'd go, don't lose this. Jump on this.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Dude, we do some banner podcasts from Mar-a-Lago.

• 21:00Joe Rogan?

  Wire the money. I'm moving to Florida.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Just bring down Austin. You go, everybody, pick up.

• 21:06Joe Rogan?

  I'd have the call with Jamie. He'd be like, fuck.

• 21:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. You go.

• 21:10Joe Rogan?

  We're moving to Florida, bitch.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  You thought you had some uncomfortable summers here.

• 21:14Joe Rogan?

  Did you a lot of golfing? A lot of golfing for you. I lived in Florida for a while. I'll go back. A lot of golfing. I like, I like some parts of Florida. Florida's fun.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Well, I don't think, uh, I don't think Trump's selling, and I don't think you're getting it for 18 million.

• 21:26Joe Rogan?

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• 22:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't leave your kids unattended, but yeah, sure.

• 22:42Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. Give your kids a gun.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  So let me, all right, let me tell you, because I forgot what I was saying. So, okay, so Piers Morgan hosts a debate between Scott Horton and Wesley Clark.

• 22:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  And so in this debate, one of the most interesting things, Wesley Clark just very casually said this. But it's like breaking news. But he said, so everybody, I assume we played it like a bunch of times on the show before, but Wesley Clark's four-star general, he was the head of NATO, and he told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now! that he saw in late 2001, the, what is become known as the five, uh, seven wars in five years, that the plan from the neocons in the government was that we were gonna overthrow all these governments in the region in the next five years. Now, this plan obviously didn't end up happening in five years, but it's literally, he names seven countries, and there's one to go. And that one, by

• 23:37Speaker 03

  the way, happens to be the one that Donald Trump is flirting with a war with right now, Iran. All the rest of them have happened.

• 23:42Joe Rogan?

  Israeli news reported today that a strike on Iran is imminent. Did you see that?

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there's, I mean, the, it's, we're very clearly moving toward this war, yet another catastrophic war. But so Wesley Clark gets asked about this in the debate, and he goes, oh, it actually goes back much further than that. He goes, I first saw the plans in 1991, and it came from Paul Wolfowitz. Okay? So he goes, Paul Wolfowitz had these plans in 1991, and he took them to Brent Scowcroft, who was George H. W. Bush's national security advisor. So he takes them, and according to Wesley Clark, again, my source on this is a four-star general, he says that Scowcroft went, we'll look at this after the election. 92 is the election year, they lose, Bill Clinton comes

• 24:26Speaker 03

  in, and he goes, and the plan kinda got killed. And then he said it was revived later in a study paid for by the Israelis. And that this was done, that Richard Pearl was really the one who brought it back to life, and that it was explicitly done because this is what they thought was necessary to protect Israel. And like, as I've mentioned to you before, now, I don't know exactly what study he's referring to, but he said, that's what he said. But I do know, as I've mentioned before in this, that anybody can go read The Clean Break. You could Google it, it's A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, which was a letter written by the guy he mentioned, Richard Pearl and David Wormser, to Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996,

• 25:08Speaker 03

  it was his first year when he came in as prime minister. And the whole thing is basically, The Clean Break is a break from the peace process, the break from Oslo, because essentially, Bill Clinton had gotten Yitzhak Rabin and Arafat to agree to like, start this two-state solution process that should be loosely based around 67 borders. You gotta finally give these Palestinians a state. You've been occupying them since 1967. You gotta finally take your boot off their neck. And The Clean Break strategy was to go, listen, we gotta get away from this whole idea of a Palestinian state and giving them land. And basically, the thinking, the Yitzhak Rabin old-school thinking on this, loosely speaking, it's

• 25:50Speaker 03

  a little more complicated, but basically, they were like, look, we've been occupying the Palestinians for decades and decades now. The broader Arab world hates us over our treatment of the Palestinians. And so what you gotta do is you have to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can get along with all these Arab states around you. That was kind of the thinking. And The Clean Break strategy was like, no, no, no, no, we're gonna reverse that. Instead of making peace with the Palestinians so that we get along with the Arab states surrounding us, what we're gonna do is, we're gonna overthrow all of those states. So we never have to make peace with the Palestinians. So we never have to have a two-state solution. What we'll just do is we'll go overthrow all of these

• 26:30Speaker 03

  governments. Of course, Israel can't go overthrow all of these governments, but the US can. And so after, they had these plans in, according to Wesley Clark in 91, we know about The Clean Break memo in 96. But after 9/11, that's when- By a terrible twist of fate and all this shit, the neo cons are in power. They're in George W. Bush's, but there is no Brent Scowcroft, there is no H W. There's nobody with like a little bit of wisdom at the top. It's Dick Cheney at the top and then his sidekick, George W. Bush. And they go, so now we're gonna move to get this.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember when Dick Cheney was in the bunker and W. wasn't?

• 27:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  That's when we knew it was up.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, that'll tell you something.

• 27:13Joe Rogan?

  We were informed that he was in the bunker, which is so crazy. Like, why would you say where the guy everyone's trying to kill is hiding?

• 27:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:21Joe Rogan?

  Are you that confident in your bunker? And where's this bunker? What does it look like? Can I get a fucking MTV Cribs tour of this bunker? What's going on with the bunker?

• 27:32Speaker 03

  And look, man, and then just, and you could see now where there's like so much, um, there's such a rise in people being so fed up with this stuff. But the idea that we're now, I mean, look, just even with this whole Signal Gate shit that just happened. And it's like the real scandal there isn't even, I mean, I do think that Mike Waltz should be fired over this. I mean, it's a crazy screw up and it's totally embarrassing.

• 28:01Joe Rogan?

  How do you do that? I mean, I don't understand how you do that. It doesn't make any sense to me.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Did you see his interview?

• 28:09Joe Rogan?

  But it is a signal chat between high level government officials with classified information. It's being discussed about war plan.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  They would claim it's not classified, but it was information about an imminent attack that's about to take place. Seems like that would have to be.

• 28:26Joe Rogan?

  How's that not classified?

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, how is that not top secret?

• 28:28Joe Rogan?

  If that's not classified, somebody else should get fired.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:30Joe Rogan?

  But at the end of the day, you have, I believe there was 18 people in that chat. Is that correct?

• 28:35Speaker 03

  It's something probably around there, yeah.

• 28:37Joe Rogan?

  Um, and.

• 28:39Joe Rogan?

  No one goes over those things before you start addressing this information? If Jamie and I were talking shit about someone and we decided to do it on Signal, like, I would make sure that I didn't accidentally include my mom.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  Or a fucking reporter I know.

• 28:58Speaker 03

  Or worse like.

• 28:59Joe Rogan?

  Or Trump himself.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Or like your enemy, like the person who hates you the most.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  How could you even have that guy in your contact list? Like, what's going on?

• 29:08Speaker 03

  And also, like.

• 29:09Joe Rogan?

  How do you accidentally include someone?

• 29:11Speaker 03

  And the chat is, I mean, this is, you can't overstate it, short of the President of the United States, it's the most senior positions.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  How do you not have someone going over the list before you go live?

• 29:23Speaker 03

  It's unbelievable. But I will say that, like, that, and perhaps there's another element? I mean, I don't know, you know, I don't exactly know. I know in Trump's first term, the efforts from his own government to sabotage him were profound.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  They were recording him.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, they were, they were framing him for being a Russian spy, his own intelligence agencies. And so when you have a conversation like this, get leaked to the most anti-Trump, you know, propagandist at The Atlantic, it does raise some questions.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  Big questions.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Was this done intentionally? Was it not?

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I don't know if you saw, but Waltz was, he did Laura Ingraham's show, like, a couple days after it came out, and I mean, his answers were just ridiculous.

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  What'd he say?

• 30:11Speaker 03

  It was like, um, she was like, so was this a staffer who messed up? Was someone? And he goes, no, no, no, you know, I take full responsibility, but it was, you know, I'm sure a lot of people have a contact with the wrong number saved in the contact or something like that.

• 30:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you don't include that.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, but also.

• 30:26Joe Rogan?

  Every time I get a new phone, one of the things I do is I go, oh, wow, look at all the dead people on my phone.

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:33Joe Rogan?

  I have a lot of dead people on my phone.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  That's depressing, yeah.

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  It's so sad. But I have a lot of friends that I look through my contact list, I'm like, fuck, he's gone. Oh, fuck, he's gone. It's, you know, like, and I have to make the decision, do I delete them from my contact list? Generally, I don't. I like seeing their names.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, it's weird.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  I have an old message from an old boss of mine. I keep the phone just because it's got the voicemail on it.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I get that. Yeah, yeah.

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  It's like. You keep things that you don't need. I have contacts for people that are not just dead, but people that are dead to me. You know what I mean? Like, why, why do I have them in there?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't talk to that guy anymore. Like, but you don't add them to a fucking chat list. That doesn't make any sense.

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Well, right. And also, and he was claiming like, the idea of, which I'm sure has happened to all of us before, where like, maybe you're taking down someone's number and you enter it wrong. So like, but that wouldn't, you wouldn't happen to hit the Atlantic journalist guy's number.

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  No, he was, he had to be in contact with that guy.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Well, he claims he's never been in contact with him. He's never met him. He's never

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  So how did he include him in the chat?

• 31:37Speaker 03

  By the way, then they found pictures of them together at like, different events.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's like an Epstein deal.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's already lying. It's not, but I will say like, that, it's like with a lot of these things, um, it, you know, there was like, uh, which I've, we've talked about before on the show, but there's the leaked Victoria Nuland phone call where she's, um, deciding who the new government in Ukraine will be.

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:59Speaker 03

  Like, right around the, okay. And then at one point, she's furious at the European Union for not like, moving in faster. And she goes, uh, at one point, she goes, you know, fuck the European Union. We'll just do it ourselves.

• 32:11Joe Rogan?

  We should play that recording.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 32:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's so crazy. People should hear it.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  But the point is that the, um, the scandal became that she said, fuck the EU. And you're like, no, no, dude, that's not the scandal here. That's not, they're like, isn't this undiplomatic of her saying fuck the European Union? Like, that's the least of what's interesting about this.

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it interesting that congresspeople swear now?

• 32:32Speaker 03

  It's very bizarre.

• 32:32Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's swearing.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:34Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's like, fuck this, calling people retards. It's great.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it is, uh, it's like they lost, they were trying to play that like, Donald Trump's like, down here and where the, and then that didn't work. So they were like, I guess we'll just try to be like him too now.

• 32:47Joe Rogan?

  Fuck Elon Musk. Yeah. Everybody's excited again. It's interesting. They're, they're adopting podcast language is what it is.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Yes. But it's, um, I don't think it's going to be successful for them because what they're not adopting is the authenticity of it. And it comes off as kind of like, um, it goes, oh, now you're doing this? Like, after all these years of pretending you were all formal and everything was about decorum and how Donald Trump wasn't he wasn't presidential enough and now you're like oh so you never really believed any of that shit it's like it's like them trying to turn on the woke stuff it's like it just does it's too long

• 33:20Joe Rogan?

  right

• 33:21Speaker 03

  it's you you were so married to this for too long

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  you you gave up your authenticity for too long

• 33:27Speaker 03

  yeah

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  and we're not it's like a Chris Cuomo type deal

• 33:29Speaker 03

  it's it's yes it's like Chris Cuomo it's it's a Elizabeth Warren drinking the beer but like not doing it right you know putting like her whole mouth over a bottle of beer

• 33:37Joe Rogan?

  I I want people to get better right so if you were a propagandist and you're like you know what this is bullshit but there's examples of those people out there that are legitimate you know and then there's also people that realize like oh well that job is over I can't do that anymore now I have to be something different let me try to be authentic

• 33:56Speaker 03

  yes and but you can people can read that man they can tell they can tell the difference

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  well you're also never gonna fully be authentic you're always gonna hold something back you're always gonna you're gonna say things because you want people to think of you a certain way rather than okay this is uncomfortable but this is how I think

• 34:12Speaker 03

  yeah yeah that's right oh but so so anyway just on the signal thing though again like the real scandal here is not that they whatever either intentionally or we're just so incompetent that they they added this journalist to it and it got leaked like the real scandal is like when you look through the chat and that it's like what are we because what are we doing here we're bombing another country in the Middle East we're bombing the poorest country in the Middle East by the way Yemen

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Yemen which has been bombed forever

• 34:40Speaker 03

  oh my god on behalf of Israel because they're standing up against this fucking brutal war in Gaza right now and so we're gonna bomb these guys again and then you have like I gotta say man like I was disgusted by Tulsi Gabbard's response there someone who I've you know said a lot of nice things about over the years and who I really supported as being the the DNI but like literally only JD Vance is the only one who offers the mildest pushback and goes he's like hey guys uh this is kind of a mistake and it's kind of everything against what Donald Trump ran on and by the way like it it's like such an insignificant amount of our trade that even goes through this area it's really Europe's problem not ours and but I'll go along with it if you guys want to if you guys say

• 35:23Speaker 03

  and then they literally say on the thing they go we've we've tracked the missile guy as they call him this is the target they they're trying to take out they go we've tracked him to his girlfriend's apartment building And so we'll level the apartment building. And then Tulsi Gabbard is just like, job well done, team. Everybody's cheering it on. There's not like, nobody, nobody even has the thought to go like, you know, like any, is there a way we could do this without like murdering an entire apartment buildings worth of people here? Is there a way? Man, this is a lot like, it's like, did none, did none of you guys even kind of believe in God? Are none of you even scared that maybe God exists and that like, Jesus Christ, what are we doing here? There's none of that. There's not a feeling of that.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  There's not a sense of like, we're, and, and you know, and I've talked about this before on the show, but we got the whole history of, of the war in Yemen, going all the way back to Obama's first term. I mean, what we've done to this country, the poorest country in the Middle East. I mean, there, it was a goddamn genocide that happened in Yemen. I mean, it was, the drone bomb campaign from Obama was bad enough, but the Saudi invasion and the blockade and the war on the civilian population, you know, hundreds of thousands of people died, hundreds of thousands of cases of like cholera and these other like real, very easily preventable and treatable diseases that they just, babies were just dying of because they had a full blockade around the country. Our, the US Navy fucking enforcing the blockade, the US fucking refueling the Saudi fighter

• 36:51Speaker 03

  jets and backing them the whole war there. And the idea that we think what, launching a couple tomahawks is gonna break the Houthis after they went through all that shit? There's no chance, like it's not, you're just killing people for no strategic benefit. It, there's, the only thing that would actually, like, we could overthrow the Houthis if we wanted to invade the country. Like the US military could do that. But like, short of that, the idea that-

• 37:15Joe Rogan?

  But you have to do, that's like a big public thing, which is bombing somehow or another, especially drone bombing, sort of like is in the ether.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's almost abstract.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:26Joe Rogan?

  Like you don't, like if we sent a-

• 37:30Joe Rogan?

  Tier one team to go take this dude out, that would be front page news. That would be like an act of war. That would be like a thing, we're declaring war on this country. We've invaded their land with actual boots on the ground. It's different for some weird reason, like you're allowed to use flying robots, remote controlled by drone operators who, by the way, have some of the weirdest fucking PSD.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:53Joe Rogan?

  PTSD rather, these people are all fucked up for a long time because they watch these folks. Cause they're, they're watching these folks, they know the people around, they get to know, they watch them for days. They see them hug their kids and then they get that fucking call and.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  And you don't get any of the, and I don't know, I mean, I'm just kind of speculating here. I'm no psychologist.

• 38:14Joe Rogan?

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• 39:34Speaker 03

  But there's something I think where. Like if you're in the fight, if you're in the action, you know, you it it like a lot of different, you know, primal things are gonna kick up like you're, you know, as all the troops say, and I've talked to a whole lot of them, it's almost unanimous to a man that they always say the thing you're fighting for, once you get there is your brother next to you. Like it's not even, it's like, forget the mission or whatever. It's like you fuck, this is your guy right here and you guys are going in to make sure your buddy doesn't get his legs blown off or whatever. But when you don't, you don't have any of that, there aren't bullets whizzing at you. There's not your friend next to you. There's not this like sense of like, I had to do what I had to do. And when you're just watching it on a monitor from a safe distance, I think there's some way that that fucks you up on a whole different level.

• 40:18Joe Rogan?

  It's got to. It's got to haunt your dreams. It has to. There's no other way. I mean, you see a man holding his child and swing her around in his arms and then you know you're gonna blow that man and that kid to smithereens.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:30Joe Rogan?

  And you have to because the kids are near the dad and we gotta kill that guy.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you got orders, you know, like that's.

• 40:36Joe Rogan?

  And a whole apartment building, like what we're talking, like thousands of people? What are we talking about? To get to this guy?

• 40:43Speaker 03

  Well, you know, there's a.

• 40:44Joe Rogan?

  Mushroom clown? Boom?

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, there's, there's a clip that Tim Poole got like a, a real short interview with Donald Trump during the campaign. Like he, I think he was the first one, but it wasn't like a long form podcast. Like it was, he was the first podcaster, but they did like 20 minutes or something like that. But he did get this one clip out of Donald Trump on that thing where Donald Trump is, is, uh, eviscerating Joe Biden for bombing the Houthis for the same exact reason, because they were firing on shipping lanes. And Donald Trump's like, what type of idiot is Joe Biden? I mean, these guys, their answer for everything is to drop bombs on it. Pick up a phone. Diplomacy can work here. Like you don't have to do this. And the, the fact is that.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  There were during the ceasefire, which Trump's envoy negotiated, which has fallen apart now. But during the ceasefire, there were no Houthi attacks on the shipping lanes. Like they stopped them. And then when the ceasefire fell apart, they picked them back up again. Now feel however you feel about that. I'm just saying there is a diplomatic solution here. Right? Like they they are willing to like if there's a ceasefire, they will stop these attacks. But there's not a military solution short of invading the country and having yet another catastrophic war in the Middle East. And it's like, so which one of those do you want to pick? America first crowd? I mean, like Donald Trump was Donald Trump was explicitly elected for this reason as a

• 42:13Speaker 03

  repudiation of the foreign policy of the last 30 years. That we're like done with this. We want to put America first. And as you could see, even JD Vance and then a little bit Pete Hegseth, their only issue, you know, it's never the innocent people being killed, you know, for a bunch of Christians. I just, it's kind of weird that that never comes up. But their their issue is, oh, this is us bailing out Europe. Because Europe actually relies more on these these shipping lanes than the United States does by orders of magnitude. And but even that, that is part of the America first thing that Donald Trump totally ran against. Like, why is it that we have to foot the bill for everybody else's defense? That makes no sense. We're broke. Our country is in bad shape. We need those resources here.

• 42:55Joe Rogan?

  What is the justification for these bombings? What is the public justification?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  Uh, that the Houthis have attacked a few US cargo ships and that there's, you know, that their international trade, they don't have a right to disrupt international trade in this way. Which is like, oh, okay, it's it's true. I mean, the thing that I've seen the most is like that people will go, well, we can't just turn a blind eye to this aggression by the Houthis. But I also do think, and and I don't even blame people for this because it's nobody, you know, in the corporate media or ever talked about any of this stuff or very rarely talked about it, never really told the story. But it's like, yeah, if you're just coming into the story now, I could see where you might think the Houthis are the aggressors. But if you're rewinding the tape from this, there is just no debate about it.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  I mean, there's no question that we, we literally started, um, you know, in, it was in 2009 when Obama started up with the drone bombing, the then-secret drone bombing campaign. And Yemen was one of the major theaters. You know, this was, um, where if you remember, because it was like the biggest scandal of the Obama administration, also not talked about much in the media, but was talked about on a lot of podcasts, was that Anwar Al-Aqib and his like 14 or 15-year-old son, his two American citizens, were both killed by drone bombs in Yemen. And this was, caused a bit of an outrage among some people because you were like, hey, you know, you really can't murder American citizens who have never been charged of a crime.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  You can't just say, nope, I just, you know, forget that whole Bill of Rights thing. They're on my list. And by the way, the kid was not Al Qaeda affiliated or anything, and they claimed that that wasn't intentional, but it sure seemed like it was. Um, but so Obama had a drone, you know, he was fighting at the time, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula had like a presence in Yemen. So he's drone bombing these, these Al Qaeda sites. There, I think the estimates were something like 95 to 96% of the people who died were not the targets. So just killing a whole bunch of innocent people. And then, as always happens, uh, in these situations, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula just grew stronger and stronger and stronger. Uh, because this is, you know, it's insurgent math, like General McChrystal said.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  You know, you kill a bunch of innocent people and then, you know, you kill one little girl and she had three brothers and a father and two uncles and they all join up Al Qaeda now. Cause like, fuck you, they're gonna get you back for that shit.

• 45:23Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's radicalized.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Yes. So, so we're doing this drone bomb campaign over there. It's completely failing and Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is just getting stronger and stronger. At the same time, Obama kind of bribed off the dictator of Yemen at the time, uh, this guy, uh, Salah. And he was like, listen, if you let us do our fucking drone bombing campaigns in here, we'll give you a whole bunch of weapons and, and money. And so he took the deal. And then he used those weapons to go attack this group, the Houthis. And then he also started losing to them. Like even with the US weapons, the Houthis were fucking him up. And then little by little, the Houthis like kind of took over the whole country. And then in a, now, the Houthis are also enemies with Al Qaeda in the Arabian

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Peninsula. Like, these are radical Sunnis, Al Qaeda versus radical Shiites, the Houthis. And so they're fucking enemies and they're fighting a civil war while all this is going on. And then Saudi Arabia decided to invade in, in early 2015. And it, in 2015, and you can, you could look this up, if you Google Obama to placate the Saudis. These are literally what the Obama officials told, told the New York Times, I believe it was the New York Times. They told them that literally this is why, so Obama stabbed the Houthis in the back, took Saudi Arabia's side, took Al Qaeda's side, started fighting on the, started using

• 46:46Speaker 03

  the, fighting in a civil war against the Houthis, which is, you know, in effect, taking Al Qaeda's side in that war. And so the Saudis invade the country. Now Obama said essentially that because the Saudis are like an important trading partner, and they were pissed off at us at the time. They were very upset about the war in Iraq. The Saudis were the ones in the region who were against it the whole time. Because they knew. They were like, you're just going to give Baghdad to Iran, basically. And this, and that's their big enemy is Iran. And then they were also really pissed off because Obama did the one decent thing he did in his administration was he worked out that deal with Iran. Same goddamn thing that Trump tore up and is now demanding they get back into some type of nuclear deal. But so,

• 47:27Speaker 03

  in order to placate the Saudis, Obama goes, okay, we'll back your, your war here. And like I said, full blockade around the country, refueling their military jets.

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  Quiet support for Saudis entangles US in Yemen.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  This is, uh...

• 47:46Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 47:46Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Obama, in an awkward twist, becomes Saudi Arabia's defender.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  Wow. And it is, uh, it is hard to overstate how brutal the Saudis were in this war. I mean, like, you know, it's, you think of Gaza, something not too unsimilar to that. But you're talking like, a full blockade around the coun- this was the poorest country in the Middle East before any of this. Full blockade around the country. The Saudis were bombing, they were bombing their agriculture, they were bombing their, like, wheat silos. They were bombing their irrigation ditches. They're just like a total war on the civilian population. All the way from 2015 into 2021, when it essentially ended in like an Afghanistan style, I guess we give up.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  Like, it was just, eventually the Saudis, I think the Houthis, you know, one of the things that's really interesting that happened this whole time, like you were talking about the drone wars. So back in 2009, first of all, it was secret. The drone program wasn't, everyone knew it. There had been good reporting on it. But the way they got the good reporting was like people found the drones in Yemen. You know, and they'd take like little, you know, grainy cellphone pictures and be like, "Look, this is a US drone." So there's clearly, but actually, the, um, uh, Obama's press secretary, it's not, goddammit, not Jay Carney, his first press secretary.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  Um, hmm, I'm blanking on his name. But he admitted this on NBC News, it was like a really amazing, but he, like, uh, was talking about how the drone program, this is years later, like 2012. He's at NBC News now. And he was talking about how, when he used to get questions about the drone program, he wasn't allowed to, he wasn't allowed to even acknowledge that it was real. So he would just sit there, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, Robert Gibbs, I apologize. I should have remembered that."

• 49:35Joe Rogan?

  I was told not to even acknowledge the drone program.

• 49:38Speaker 03

  There's video of this.

• 49:39Joe Rogan?

  When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, "You're not even to acknowledge the drone program. You're not even to discuss that it exists," said former White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs. On Up with Chris Hayes Sunday.

• 49:54Speaker 03

  So now, think about, okay, by the way, there is video of this. It wasn't, you know, I don't know if it's in this article or not, but I mean, that was essentially the point. But the thing in the video is so funny is that they all are laughing about it. Like, they're talking about like, what kind of what a funny thing it is. Like, imagine being in the position where you can't admit that a real thing's real, and journalists are asking you questions. And he said, because it is kind of funny in a weird way, but that's like, you'd think a newsman would, that wouldn't be the number one thing. Oh, here, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is it.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  I certainly think there are aspects of that program that are and will remain highly sensitive and very secret. But let me give you an example here, Chris. When I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the things, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program. You're not even to discuss that it exists. And so I would get a question like that, and literally, I couldn't tell you what made your ass, because once I figured out it was about the drone program, I realized I'm not supposed to talk about it. And, but here's what's inherently crazy about that proposition. You're being asked a question based on reporting of a program that exists. Right. So you're the official government spokesperson. Exactly.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  Acting as if entire program, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Right, yeah. It's, I think in many ways, and I think what the president has seen, and I have not talked to him about this, I want to be careful, this is my opinion. Yeah, yeah. But I think what the president has seen is, our denial of the existence of the program, when it's obviously happening, undermines people's confidence overall in the decisions that their government makes.

• 51:36Speaker 03

  That's really, that's the major problem with murdering people in the poorest country in the Middle East, you know?

• 51:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  It might undermine people's trust in you, and therefore, your ability to murder more people in the poorest country in the Middle East. So just like, by the way, Whenever you see anyone over the last, like, say, eight years on MSNBC or CNN talking about a threat to democracy and the free press and all this, shut the fuck up. You hired that guy. The guy who's sitting there telling you. Like, when it comes to the issue, forget whether you're for the war or against the war. It's a secret war. You're not even, forget democracy, the people aren't even allowed to have an opinion on this.

• 52:13Joe Rogan?

  Even as the White House Press Secretary, you're not even allowed to acknowledge it.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  And, and like, why not? I mean, it's just, it's not as if they were like, well, if Al Qaeda knows that we're coming for them, then something is compromised. It's just like, oh, yeah, Obama ran as the peace candidate. He collected a Nobel Peace Prize before he had done anything, and he didn't particularly want to tell people that he had just started this new campaign of just murdering whoever he wanted to for whatever reason he wanted to. And, you know, one of the things that's interesting about the technology of it, and I remember people much smarter than me predicting this at the time, I guess I never really appreciated, like, exactly the timetable of all of it, but it went in 2009, which he's talking about 2009, a few years later there, it went from like, oh, the US has

• 53:02Speaker 03

  this new technology where we can use drones in war, to all of a sudden now in 2025, you're sitting around and everybody, like, this is just part of war now. You know, literally, the, even the Houthis, I mean, they don't have the capabilities we have, but they have drone bombs. And that's part of how they were able to get the Saudis to finally back out. It's like, they could hit some of their oil fields with their drone bombs, and it was enough of a pain in the ass for the Saudis to be like, all right, like, call it quits. And so they ended that war in 21. But now these Houthis have been in charge of Yemen the whole time since. You know, in the same way that it was like, we fought this whole war to get the Taliban out of Afghanistan. We just lost. Like, they just still run the

• 53:42Speaker 03

  whole place. And so these guys are still there. They have gone through the, what was the worst humanitarian crisis in the world from 2015 to 2021. They survived all of that, and they're still there. And now they see the same goddamn thing happening in Gaza. Then they're the one, again, I'm not like this is their stated thing. I'm not saying like they're all great people or something, but they're going like, no, fuck that. We're standing up for the people in Gaza. And so they were like, as long as all of you guys are supporting Israel, just slaughtering all these people, then we're gonna start, you know, like trying to shut down these shipping lanes, which they don't really have the capacity to do, but they can hit some cargo ships and hit some military ships.

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• 56:46Joe Rogan?

  How does this ever settle? How does this ever relax? Like, when you look at what happened in Gaza, and you think about the tensions that existed before October 7th, and then this happens, and then God, then the Israeli attack happens. Like, how does anything come to a peaceful resolution at this point?

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Well, it looks really bad at the moment, right now, you know? And like, what I always like to say, which I, you know, is, like, 50% just me telling myself something to feel better about the situation, but then 50% like, it is kind of, you know, like, you, look, you could go around the world right now, and like, England is right next to, um, is right next to Ireland. And everybody's just cool there right now. And that would have seemed like impossible, you know? And like, France and Germany and, you know what I mean? Like, there are all these countries where, like, there was a time where it just seemed impossible. And you know, that was Egypt and Israel. So Egypt and Israel went to war four times in the first, uh, 20-something years of the existence of the state of Israel.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  They just kept going to war and war and war against each other. And then in the late 70s, they made a deal. And it was like a land-for-peace swap.

• 57:58Joe Rogan?

  But isn't it part of the problem that Palestine is not a state?

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Oh, that's, yeah, that's like the whole problem.

• 58:03Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing. It's like, you can never come to peace if you never even acknowledge they exist.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, well, they've had, so, Israel, Israel, uh, took control of what are known as the occupied territories. They took control of Gaza and the West. in 1967 and it's one thing like I'm not like saying it's ever justified but like it's one thing to like occupy an area for a few months after a war as you're going through the process of turning it over to the you know like to themselves or it maybe even a few years but like we're going into like 60 years of complete Israeli control over these people and and under Israeli control they have zero rights zero rights whatsoever I mean like they don't have the freedom of movement they don't have freedom to trade

• 58:53Speaker 03

  with the outside world they don't have voting rights they don't have the right of due process I they get they get if literally to this day like in the West Bank where there's like all these big Israeli settlements because the Israelis are just constantly slowly stealing more of the Palestinians land they if like an Israeli settler in the West Bank in the same jurisdiction gets in a dispute with a Palestinian there the Israeli citizen he's a citizen of Israel he has rights he goes to a trial the fucking the Palestinian goes in front of a military trial if he's lucky enough to get that they have something like a 99% conviction rate you're just totally fucked like and this and and then look a lot

• 59:35Speaker 03

  of people will point to like look like there's there's been terrorism on the Arab side toward the Israelis going back many years but like I think you're essentially right you can't expect a group of people who have to just be subjugated for eternity and not nobody's going to try to violently fight back and of course when they nonviolently try to fight back that gets squashed too that gets met with violence

• 59:59Joe Rogan?

  and then the wildest thing Trump comes along and says we're gonna take it

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  yeah

• 1:00:02Joe Rogan?

  we're gonna take it we're gonna turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  it's such a man it's such a I really just I'll say listen I know like the last time I was on was on election night and I look I supported Donald Trump in this last election I think Donald Trump was like a necessary Force, Donald Trump is a once in a century type of figure.

• 1:00:26Joe Rogan?

  If that.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, there was just, nobody was positioned to do the things that Donald Trump did. And there were like enormous positives that came out of him winning this election. I mean, Donald Trump landed a devastating blow on the Republican establishment in 2016 when he won the primary. And he landed a devastating blow against the Democratic establishment by winning the presidency this year. And he like destroyed the corporate media, like in a way that nobody else could have done. And all of those things are like incredible achievements, you know? But there is this like kind of tragedy with Donald Trump too, where it's like, he's the one guy who was able to do all of this.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  And I will say, there were just, there were hopes that it was like, hey, he maybe this time around. Oh, man, he's got Bobby Kennedy there, he's got Tulsi Gabbard there, he's got like all, okay, this is like a whole different thing.

• 1:01:19Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna stop that war in one day.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  Yes, right, he's gonna, he's here to end the wars. Also, like, he had been burned by the system now, and a whole, it's not just that they called him a Russian traitor or whatever. It's like they tried to throw him in jail.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  Tried to murder him, okay.

• 1:01:34Joe Rogan?

  Somebody did.

• 1:01:34Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, no, no, I'm sorry, that was totally, totally happened.

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  He had five phones.

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  A lot of times, as we all know.

• 1:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Professionally scripted department.

• 1:01:40Speaker 03

  Yes, that happens all the time, Joe. Many times presidential candidates, the frontrunner to be president, once again, former presidents. A sniper gets a clean shot 130 yards away from them, that's a very common thing.

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  A guy was in a BlackRock commercial just a couple of years ago.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  And that's, and a lot of those guys were in BlackRock commercials once, Joe, this is, these are normal things that happen to normal people. It's part of everyday politics, but, but so a lot of this made people think like, oh, maybe, but I will say, already into Trump's presidency. It's just a lot is, it's like, ah, shit, no. I guess I gotta be happy with the things that he did, but the idea that he's really figured this out, or he's really on to something, or he's learned a lot, or he's got. The guy is out there, he's saying, we should primary Thomas Massey and throwing his support behind Lindsey Graham. I mean, come on.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  What is Thomas Massey doing that's pissing him off?

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  Oh, he didn't vote for the freaking spending bill. He, he voted against the CR because it increased spending and was increasing the debt. And it was refunding all of the programs that Doge had recommended be cut. So he was like, no, I'm not voting for this. And Trump was like, well, I'm gonna need you to vote for it. And he was like, no. And that's it. That's his crime. The same thing, same reason Trump hated him in 2020 because he wouldn't vote for the, uh, the $2 trillion COVID spending bill. Because he was like, what are you telling me? Because the country's locked down? That means we have to bail out every giant corporation around the country? Like, no, I'm not supporting this. And then Trump sent all his people to go, you know, he's betraying America first, or whatever. And there's ones Trump gets in it, he just wants like, you know, the next win.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Um, but, you know, the, the real problem here is like, the, I, look, the idea that we are going to go and, and ethnically cleanse, like, finish the job of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza on behalf of Israel? It's like, what, first of all, what do you think, what do you think the reaction to that's gonna be? What do you think, what do you think that's gonna do to our country here? You know, it's like, I feel, um, it's like, I, I see a lot of people who, uh, get very upset about what they, they call the rise of antisemitism, um, which certainly, you know, according to my Twitter feed is, is real.

• 1:03:48Joe Rogan?

  It's real.

• 1:03:49Speaker 03

  And there's, there's a lot of people.

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it's, well, is it a rise? Or is it the ability to express it now been unlocked? Or is it both?

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  I don't know. Maybe both. You know, I, I have a tough time kind of figuring out exactly what it is. It's also, um, there's, there's a troll aspect to it. You know, there's, there's, when you make one thing, the thing that you're not allowed to say, and the thing that's gonna get a rise out of everybody, there's, this has been true, and it's been building for, for many years. Um, kind of the alt-right back in the day was kind of the first, you know, version of this, but where you could be some guy, just at, on your computer, you could be a 15-year-old on, on your phone, or whatever, and you could get, you know, the New York Times senior editor to be like, "Oh, look at this outright." You know, and just the ability to provoke that reaction out of somebody is, that's

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  fun.

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Shitposting.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Yes, that's, and for, you're, you're handing this person who has no power, like, some real kind of power.

• 1:04:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  I also think that, um, young, for young men today, particularly like, young, straight, white men, I think it's kind of hard. Like for me and you, to even understand the world they grew up in, is very different than the world we grew up, like, they grew up in this woke era. And, okay, now it's kind of like that's receded and woke-ism has been defeated, but they grew up in a time where racialism was accepted by every powerful institution, just against them.

• 1:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  You know, like, it was totally fine to demonize straight white men at your high school, at your college, in your movies, in your TV shows, your politicians, celebrities, everybody was just, and that does, like, it unlocks a certain thing that we kind of all had a gentleman's agreement to not unlock. Like, we're just not really gonna do that, you know? We don't want to be, like, racialists. And so that's, I think that's a component to it, too. But there's also no question that it's, you know, it's exploded since Israel's launched this war on Gaza.

• 1:05:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And it's exploded on the left, which you never heard anti-Jewish sentiment in public spaces before. You really never saw that on campuses. You know, if Israel did something, you may see a protest, but it was gen- generally it was organic. These don't seem organic. They seem very funded, and they're very disruptive, and, you know, some universities experience vandalism and fires and crazy shit and people being threatened and doxed. You know, it's, um, it's different. It's, it's, it's a different level of it than I think we've ever seen before. And it's kind of, it's, it's created a giant

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  divide on the left, right? Because on the left, you have a lot of people that are, their whole life, they've been in support of Israel, right? And now, all of a sudden, there's these Free Palestine people that are also on the left. So you have this divide on the left.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and there was, that divide goes back a lo- like, there, there were leftist divides over the Israel-Palestine question, going back really to, like, 1967, um, where most of the, um, the kind of like, uh, the, the Black Power movement people, like, the Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam. Those guys, they all sided with the Palestinians because they all saw it as like an extension of like, yeah, that's the whole, you know, we're against um this kind of like racist colonization, you know, like force. Um, and then of course, there were a lot of influential Jewish people on the left who were like, no, not in this case, we're okay with it. Uh, but you should, you guys sure are right about all that civil rights stuff,

• 1:07:34Speaker 03

  but like, let's not look at it, let's not look over there. Um, but so a lot of that has kind of reemerged. Now, I do also, you know, I don't know, um, like I've talked to a, I talked to one kid who was like a grad student in, at Columbia, which was really like the center of so many of these protests, and he's Jewish. And I was like, uh, I was like, so what's it like? And he was like, yeah, they're annoying and they're Latin. Like some of their, their chants are like real kind of weird. Yeah, I don't really know what they mean by it. And I was like, uh, well, do you ever feel like threatened? Or and it's like, no, no, it's not like it's fine. They'll just chant as you walk by. And then I do know also that they um, they had at least one time, they had like a Seder service with, because they got like Jewish people in those protest movements too.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Um, and so they, over last Passover, it was a year ago, they had like a Seder service with the Jews like in there too. So I also don't, I don't know, like what percentage of them are like just against the war and seeing pictures of dead babies and stuff like that. What percentage of them are actually, you know, like harbor resentment toward Jewish people? Like it's, it's kind of hard to, to measure. But I would just say that like it, almost in a very similar way to like, what I was talking about with the, the drone war against Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It just made them stronger. You know, it's like, hey, if you want to see less Al Qaeda, maybe stop having the American military kill innocent civilians in their land,

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  because that seems to be fueling them. And at the same time, for the people who are so concerned about the rise of antisemitism, you're like, okay, well, it has exploded since Israel's been doing this to Gaza, right? So like, maybe the US shouldn't be funding and arming the whole goddamn conflict. Because that does seem to like, at least give those people a giant talking point to latch on to. Maybe we shouldn't have a System where like our political class is not allowed to criticize a foreign government. And and a foreign government that's gotten us into like seven wars. At least played a large role in getting us into those wars explicitly. I'm not like alleging some secret conspiracy. I'm saying like Benjamin Netanyahu is John McCain.

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  Like he's very, he's, he's been telling us Iran hasn't nuked. He's been telling us they're five years away from a nuke since I was seven. Literally, he's been saying Iran is five years away from a nuke the entire time. And he, he came over here, he testified before Congress in 2002 that we, as a regional expert, that if we were to overthrow Saddam Hussein, democracy would sweep the region and there'd be all these positive reverberations. And then he goes, and you also got to overthrow the regime in Iran. And you also got to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. And like every single one of these things, we, not Iran yet, still pushing for that. But we went and overthrew Saddam Hussein, we went and overthrew Muammar Gaddafi. And I don't know what swept the region, but it wasn't democracy.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  No, I remember in the early 2000s, when I realized there's two fighting factions of Islam. I was like, what?

• 1:10:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  And that Saddam Hussein had actually kept that from boiling over.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Because he was in control.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, it's, I remember learning it too, right around the same time. You're like, you're telling me there are shirts and skins over there?

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  They fight against each other? Like, what do they, do you know the difference between Sunni and Shia?

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  Uh, I mean, I know that they're different sects of Islam, but like in terms of like the religion itself.

• 1:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Is it like the Catholics versus the Protestants?

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's something, something like that. Like, it's always the people with the like most minor interpretations of their holy book differences who like go to war the most aggressively. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, yeah, Catholics and the Protestants are, you know, like, you agree on 95% of this religion, but like, whatever.

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  If you didn't know about that conflict, you would never believe it's real. Like Christians going to war with other Christians, like different sects, like brutal, horrible wars.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Especially when you could like read about Jesus and you'd be like, this doesn't seem to be what he's saying at all, man.

• 1:11:24Joe Rogan?

  Who's at the helm of this fucking battleship?

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  It's un, it's unbelievable to me that any, and I'm not claiming to be any type. A religious expert and I'm not a Christian, but it is unbelievable to me that anybody could be a Christian and could then like somehow do the mental gymnastics and rationalization to be like, and that's why you gotta support every war. That's why we gotta fight every single one of these wars. Cause you know, just like that guy, Jesus told us slaughter women and babies. It's like, seems like the opposite of his message from my humble understanding of it.

• 1:11:58Joe Rogan?

  So the argument of that, if you want to take the argument would be like, you have to do that to protect everyone here.

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean,

• 1:12:04Joe Rogan?

  That's the argument.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  Right. Like we have to go to war with Iran, a country that doesn't have nuclear weapons or an air force capable of delivering them here.

• 1:12:13Joe Rogan?

  And it's so convenient that they're evil. So convenient that they torture students and they, they execute Olympic gold medalists in wrestling because they protested against the government. It's so convenient.

• 1:12:25Speaker 03

  Well, it's also like, you know, there's evil shit going on all over the world. And it's terrible that there is, but isn't it interesting how like the next war, you know, like I was, um, I was in, I, I did a debate, uh, at Princeton University. A few months back, um, against Josh Hammer, who's a, is a editor at Newsweek. And we did like an Oxford style debate on whether the US should support Israel. And you know, one of the things he said to me, so I was talking about like all this stuff, like the clean break strategy and the seven countries in five years. And he was like, oh, the war in Libya, that was a totally separate thing. Like that was, that was like a liberal interventionist war.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  And I was like, well, it sure is a coincidence that it was one of the seven countries. You know what I mean? Like what a wild coincidence.

• 1:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Kind of crazy.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  That we, the, the government we decided to overthrow was the exact government that four star general Wesley Clark told me we were planning on overthrowing way before any of these claims about how Gaddafi, what, and they made all these bullshit claims.

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Libya one is wild.

• 1:13:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Joe Rogan?

  The Libya one's wild. When you see how good of a leader he, he was obviously an evil dictator. No questions.

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  An eccentric fellow.

• 1:13:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Definitely a piece of shit. However, for the people that lived there, they got no interest loans. They they had incredible infrastructure, their economy is doing well, they were at peace.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  I think it was one of the richest countries in Africa, which is, you know, grading on a curve, but still.

• 1:13:52Joe Rogan?

  Then, a few years later, after we invade, it's, or we helped people, we we assisted. It becomes a failed state and they have slave auctions on YouTube.

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:14:03Joe Rogan?

  Now, I've heard it's recovered somewhat, there are people reach out from Libya and tell me that Tripoli is actually not bad now.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  Is doing better than it was, but also, and and the other part of this is that this was a huge contributing factor to the migrant crisis in Europe. You know, like, all these things do have, like, these domino effects, whereas, so then Gaddafi also was kind of like not allowing that to happen. And then you had these huge numbers of refugees pouring into Europe, then you see the rise of.

• 1:14:29Joe Rogan?

  But not just pouring in, but it seems like they're they're wanting them to pour in.

• 1:14:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Joe Rogan?

  It's, I mean, this is where it gets really strange, you know, I had a conversation with someone about this that didn't understand it. And we were we were going over civil unrest and how the use of civil unrest. One of the things that civil unrest does do really well is it makes people want to have measures to stop civil unrest that ultimately erode liberties.

• 1:14:57Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:14:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a really good strategy, so if you want to take away people's guns, take away right to protest. One of the best things to do is to release as many criminals as you can and flood your your city with violence and crime. Um, the more violence and crime you have, the more people will be freaked out, the more people will be freaked out, the more likely they are to give in to new measures of control.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  That's exactly right, exactly.

• 1:15:20Joe Rogan?

  And you could do that worldwide.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  Well, you could watch it.

• 1:15:22Joe Rogan?

  But also, let's talk about Europe, okay, in particular, let's talk about Germany, let's just talk about the UK. What have they been doing besides letting in immense numbers of migrants? One thing they've been doing is arresting people for Facebook posts. They're arresting people for stepping out of line, so they're moving closer and closer to totalitarianism. And if you look at the numbers of people, you know, um, that have been arrested for just Facebook. One of them was, someone just got arrested, pulled out of his house, two o'clock in the morning, for a Facebook post saying that he didn't like the Palestinian flag. I mean, this is wild stuff. It's wild stuff and thousands of arrests, not just.

• 1:16:05Joe Rogan?

  Ever seen Konstantin Kison talking to someone about this and he was explaining?

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Joe Rogan?

  He was explaining like Russia imprisoned 400 people for posts on social media. That's crazy, right? How many do you think the UK did? And he's like, oh, I've no idea. It's like 4,000. He's like, what?

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:21Joe Rogan?

  Thousands of people are getting arrested in the UK and you're only seeing some of them. You're seeing the people that are filming it at the time who have the wherewithal to grab a cellphone. There's a lot of people that have just been by themselves that just got scooped up.

• 1:16:37Speaker 03

  What was it? Is, uh, I think it was 60 Minutes did a piece where they had like three lawyers. Um, they were sitting there and like, or kind of like asking them like, so would this post be okay? Would this be okay? Could I say something? And they're like, well, posting it is actually much worse than just saying it. And I mean, like, it is really creepy.

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  It's really creepy.

• 1:16:55Speaker 03

  But you're so right. You're so spot on about this kind of like this, this like one, two punch of like destabilization. And then government coming in with the solution. It's a Harry Brown, uh, who was, uh, he's, he's, uh, deceased now, but he's a brilliant, uh, uh, guy. Um, he was like, uh, he ran for president on the Libertarian Party in 96 and 2000. But he used to, uh, he used to say the, uh, the government, uh, breaks your leg and then offers you a crutch. And then like they convince you to be thankful for the crutch. And you're like, ah, man, if this government wasn't here, I wouldn't have a crutch. I'd be walking around on broken legs. But you see it where like, look, even, um, if you just watch, I remember like during 2020, uh, in,

• 1:17:40Speaker 03

  when the George Floyd thing first happened and the, and forget like whatever the autopsy, there was the one autopsy that said it was fentanyl that killed him. Like, well, leaving those, that, all of that aside, just when the video of, of that, uh, Derek Chauvin, kneeling on this guy's neck who's on the ground and crying in pain and he's kind of smiling. And then the guy dies. Everybody I know, I mean, it was so unified. I knew hardcore right wingers, you know? My Fox News watching father in law. I remember the, I was at his house the day it happened. And he goes, every one of those cops should be put in handcuffs on national television. And he goes, they should all be charged with murder. Like there was, you know, that was like, you cannot do this. And then.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  After the riots started in the summer, all those same people were like, send in the military. You know what, like, like you just see how like, someone could so quickly go from like, you know, we really need some police reform here. Like, there is too much state power of policing. So then, then after you see some riots, what are you asking for? Well, who's gonna stop that?

• 1:18:38Joe Rogan?

  Martial law?

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, oh, we need the government to come in and crack down more police power than ever before. So you could see like, and that's just like a little scale. But you could see how much that, that demand, and, and by, and sometimes, very understandably so. Like in that example, very understandably so. Cause you're like, well, I don't know. Like, I'm totally against like the over militarization of the police. But when you have these huge riots across every major city in the country, you're like, well, I guess that's, this is the one time we have a reason to have that. And then, by the way, of course, they don't do anything to stop it.

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  Let it go.

• 1:19:12Joe Rogan?

  It's all, it's, the, the George Floyd one was fascinating because it wasn't a setup. It was just an organic moment where someone was filming some guy who had a, a guy leaning. Now, was he on his neck or was he on his shoulder? Cause I keep, keep hearing people online saying he was on his shoulder.

• 1:19:31Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe, that, that might be right.

• 1:19:33Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, on the neck, you're really gonna go out. You're gonna go to sleep. You know, if, if the guy's really pressuring your neck like that, you're gonna, like, anybody who thinks that's not a big deal. Get someone who knows how to put weight on the knee, leaning on your neck. Okay, he's right on the neck, no question at all. Okay, that will put you to sleep for the most part. And that will definitely constrict your breathing, depending upon how much weight he actually has on that neck and how strong George Floyd is. Now imagine, this guy's already fucked up. He already has an enlarged heart, he's on fentanyl, he's already fucked up. But would he have died without this happening?

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  Well, from what I understand, there were two autopsies.

• 1:20:13Joe Rogan?

  People wanna say it was an overdose. Well.

• 1:20:18Joe Rogan?

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• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Right, and you can't say it was the smoking that killed him if you if it was that.

• 1:22:50Joe Rogan?

  Right. Remember Eric Gardner was another one. And Eric Gardner, people were saying, you know, he died because he's fat and he had a heart attack. I was like, no, dude, that guy's choking him.

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:59Joe Rogan?

  And if you don't think that guy's choking him, let me grab your neck like that. You don't think that's a choke?

• 1:23:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:03Joe Rogan?

  Because oh, because it's one arm? I'll put you to sleep with one arm.

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 1:23:08Joe Rogan?

  You can put someone to sleep.

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  I've watched UFC fighters get put to sleep, professional fighters get put to sleep with one arm.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Professional world champion Sean Brady choked out Leon Edwards for the most part with a one arm guillotine.

• 1:23:20Speaker 03

  And Luke Rockhold got a Mike.

• 1:23:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Mike Bisping, one arm guillotine. Yeah, Tito Ortiz got somebody with that. The one arm guillotine is legit.

• 1:23:28Speaker 03

  Oh, and anybody who's like, if anybody who like knows what they're doing.

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  It was grappling, anyone who doesn't know what they're doing, they could all one arm choke you out.

• 1:23:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were saying, oh, he just restrained him like, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. When you restrain someone, you get their arms behind their back, you pin their weight down. You could just restrain the guy if you were a good jiu jitsu practitioner with your body weight. If you have a good, you're on top, he's face down, you put your hooks in, he's not going anywhere.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Joe Rogan?

  You flatten him out, you underhook him, you pull his arms out, someone cuffs him. You don't choke him, you don't have to choke him. The guy wasn't resisting at all. So that was another one, right? But these are real moments, these are organic moments, they're not setups, but bore are they good at capitalizing on those fucking things? And then when you see public officials going with this swarm of narrative, the swarm of narrative was defund the police. Like, are you guys out of your fucking mind in the middle of these riots? You're going to go against the police instead of going against the rioters? You got one bad cop, that bad cop should be prosecuted or something should happen. He should be, you know. If the guy died of an overdose, at the very least, what he's doing seems to be brutal.

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:39Joe Rogan?

  And unnecessary.

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Unnecessary and brutal. The guy's not resisting. You put your, you put your weight on his back. It's hard enough. It's so hard to get up if someone has their fucking knee on your back. It's so hard to get, especially if you're out of shape and you have an enlarged heart and you're on fentanyl.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  Now, there's also seven cops around him. And he wasn't, I mean, I've watched the whole body cam footage. He was a, he was clearly fucked up and he was clearly, uh, having like a massive panic attack.

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:06Speaker 03

  But he wasn't like, being like violent with the cops. Like, he wasn't like, he wasn't a threat for that many cops.

• 1:25:14Joe Rogan?

  Cops get so desensitized and you have so many experiences as one individual. This guy had a long criminal record. The people that worked that area probably all knew him. Didn't, um, Derek Chauvin and him work together somewhere?

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember, I remember hearing that, but I don't know what they did. Yeah, they were like, yeah, they, they were doing some security gig together. I think so.

• 1:25:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:36Speaker 03

  But, yeah.

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  So it's probably some get back involved in that knee on the neck?

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  It's, right, quite possibly. It's also one of those things where like, it is, look, most of the time, someone won't die.

• 1:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  If you do that, you know what I mean? So like, yeah, exactly. Um, but there is.

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Most of the time, someone's not filming it.

• 1:25:54Speaker 03

  Yes. Also, also true. And if the, if the, the body cam footage comes out, it's usually much later. So it's not kind of like as a media of a thing. Also, usually every single media outlet in the entire United States of America in the middle of a lockdown doesn't play the video on repeat all day, every single day. Cause it's, there was no reason, the, the thing about George Floyd that was crazy is that there was no reason for it to be a national story. And there was no reason for it to be a racial story.

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, really? Why don't you think there would be no reason for it to be a national story when a cop kills?

• 1:26:27Speaker 03

  Oh, well, I just mean.

• 1:26:29Joe Rogan?

  For a false $20 bill.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  No, no, no. I should, when I say that, okay, I'm not saying it, there's no like story there. I'm saying there wasn't, we're a country of 330 million people. There are a number of these incidents that happen every year. Not like a crazy high number, but like, there's, there's a few hundred of these every year. This one kind of seemed to get picked as like, we're all gonna run with this right now.

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Because we got the full video. We got a four minute, it's like, go back to Rodney King. It's the same thing.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess, okay, that is a fair point. The Rodney King one was a. A bit different. I mean, number one, the video element then was way crazier because it was.

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Nobody had ever seen a video.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  No one, it, it, there was, there was a guy with a giant thing who happens to be on his balcony at the right time. And also, they beat the ever loving shit out of him. Like it was, yeah, I mean, they were just, oh, after he was down and say, they just kept going and kept going. But the other thing that I always thought was like, you kind of, the George Floyd thing, it's not like there was like any element in there where like, they were calling him the N word, or there was some type of like racial, like thing, like it, it didn't ever seem to me that there was any reason to believe that like, had he been a giant white dude tweaking out on drugs, doing the exact same thing, it wouldn't have gone the exact same way.

• 1:27:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he wasn't. The thing is, it is a, it is post Rodney King, it is a white guy on the neck of a black guy.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  But there was also a Asian cop and a black cop and.

• 1:27:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they weren't doing the kneeling and they also got prosecuted.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  That's a fair point. That is a fair point.

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Didn't they get prosecuted?

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  I, he, he got convicted of murder. I do not remember.

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  The Asian cop got prosecuted as well. See, see, what other cops got prosecuted? I think it's one of those things where you're just supposed to step in and say, you gotta, you gotta get off his back.

• 1:28:17Speaker 03

  I think that's totally reasonable. I mean, yeah, it's, you know, to be like, hey, listen, he is totally.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like, I want to know, was he on his neck the whole time? Because I had heard that he was also, he was on his shoulder and then, but that is on his neck. So that, yeah, at least that part. I'd have to go watch that horrible video over again. I don't, I don't want to do that. I was.

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's dark.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Today, I was watching some horrible videos today from Gaza. This guy carrying around a headless baby, showing what happened to his child is just so fucked. Another guy was holding a child's arm in his hand.

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  Dude, it's, it is so, I mean, like the level, the level of evil that this shit is, I mean, you see, I know you've seen, but you see the drone videos, like the aerial footage of Gaza? Gaza's gone.

• 1:29:00Joe Rogan?

  It's gone.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  They fucking destroyed the whole goddamn place. I saw one, uh.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to believe.

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  I saw, I saw one estimate said that, uh, it was, uh, 90% of the population has been, um.

• 1:29:13Speaker 03

  What's the word I'm looking for? That they've been displaced.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Displaced?

• 1:29:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that they've 90% of them are.

• 1:29:18Joe Rogan?

  Who's the 10% gangster?

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, I said, I'm good.

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  Find that guy and train him. That's your Rambo.

• 1:29:24Speaker 03

  But it is a.

• 1:29:25Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie?

• 1:29:26Speaker 06

  Three of the cops were found guilty of violating his rights and one other one pled guilty to aiding and abetting second degree murder or manslaughter.

• 1:29:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was the Asian guy.

• 1:29:35Speaker 06

  And he got three and a half years.

• 1:29:36Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Aiding and abetting, yeah.

• 1:29:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think you kind of have, you're a cop, you kind of have a responsibility to stop that.

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  And then there's also the level of fentanyl, we've discussed this, right? Because people keep saying that he died of a fentanyl overdose. But I don't believe the level of fentanyl in his body was enough to give him an overdose. For the, you know, you know what, how LD50 rates work? You know how that works?

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  No, I, I.

• 1:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Lethal dose for 50% of the population. That's how they determine whether or not. So the problem is, you know, you get 100 people, give them all the same amount of stuff, 50 of them are going to die, 50 of them are going to live. So that's how you find what the LD50 of a drug is. So when you have something like fentanyl, this is the guy's like an inveterate fentanyl user. You know, he probably has a very high tolerance to opiates. You know, and I don't.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  And he's huge. He's a big dude.

• 1:30:27Joe Rogan?

  He's a big dude. He was obviously dying from drug abuse. He had a large heart. He was fucked up, you know, and the, the levels though, when they, it were like at the threshold.

• 1:30:42Speaker 06

  Not the official autopsy, but this is the doctor that did one of them, I think, and he said here, I don't know if you can read that, but.

• 1:30:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nanogram, fentanyl at 11 nanograms, this is the, this is higher than chronic pain patient. If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be accepted. Uh, call on overdose. Deaths have been certified. I don't know what that says. Level of three, so level of three. He was at 11. So deaths have been certified at a level of three. Um, nanograms per deciliter. He was at 11 nanograms per deciliter. Uh, I am not saying this killed him. Ventinal metabolite, four AMPP.

• 1:31:28Joe Rogan?

  Think this is non-commercial. Meta-meth, meth, 19, oh, he had meth too. 19 nanograms per deciliter. Uh, this is...

• 1:31:40Speaker 03

  Relatively low.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Relatively low. But meth's bad for your heart. From video I've seen, it appears like his knee is on the side of the neck, not where the structures are. That doesn't mean anything. That's silly. That's a person who's never been choked. You shut your mouth. Shut your mouth, doctor. Let me lean on your neck, bitch. Breathe deep.

• 1:32:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about? That's so crazy. That's, that's not gonna crush his windpipe?

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:09Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about?

• 1:32:10Speaker 03

  No, that just seems ridiculous.

• 1:32:12Joe Rogan?

  That's so stupid. It crushes everything. If I got on your neck here, you're not doing nothing. There's none of this is gonna work. Look, when you're, when you have a big neck, you can die from your tongue. You know that? People die of sleep apnea, like football players.

• 1:32:25Speaker 03

  Like they swallow their tongue?

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  No, their tongue closes over the back of their mouth, cause they're, they have so much neck tissue

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  That their airhold gets smaller, right? Now, I want you to imagine someone compressing that neck tissue with 210 pounds of body weight, all positioned on their knee.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Bro, you can put someone to sleep that way.

• 1:32:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Like, they'll die. If you hold on to it, they'll die.

• 1:32:49Speaker 03

  It's indefensible. And, uh...

• 1:32:51Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:32:52Speaker 03

  And the, the, and I think the country had kind of like the appropriate reaction to it.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  But then they, they're trying to say the cops can't use chokeholds anymore. Well, that's crazy too. Cause you should be able to, if you're a cop, you gotta be able to choke people. Like, if you get some wild methed up fucking dude and he's attacking cops and he's got his shirt off and fucking swastika is on his chest and he, you wanna strangle that guy?

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:33:13Joe Rogan?

  Him away, put him asleep, then you can cuff him. You can do that eh eh eh go to sleep.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  In fact, it might be.

• 1:33:20Joe Rogan?

  It's the safest thing for him.

• 1:33:22Speaker 03

  Safer way to then like tasing someone and then where they stiffen up and just fall over.

• 1:33:26Joe Rogan?

  He just choked George Floyd out and then cuffed him.

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:29Joe Rogan?

  That would be way better for everybody.

• 1:33:31Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  Like a real simple, five second rear naked choke. He goes asleep temporarily, you cuff him, he wakes up. None of the trauma to his neck, none of that shit, none of the, none of the four minutes, whatever it was, seconds.

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  No nationwide riots.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

  No nationwide riots.

• 1:33:48Speaker 03

  And maybe they would have been for a different reason, but.

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

  It's just a jujitsu move and then you cuff him and you know. But man, being a cop is the most fucking thankless psychotic job in this country. And every day they pull up to cars and they worry that they're gonna get shot. Everybody's seen videos of cops, they pull up the fucking tinted windows and they get blasted.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just saw one today.

• 1:34:10Joe Rogan?

  There's so many of them.

• 1:34:11Speaker 03

  And it was, it was cra- the one I saw today too was one where like it, there was almost no tell. Like it was, they, they, they had to stop and they were just like, hey, you know, buddy, is this your car? And he's like, yeah, it's my car. And he seemed totally cool. And they're just like, okay, license and registration. He goes, I actually don't have my license on me. And he goes, you're driving without a license? Alright, so I'm gonna have to ask you to step out. And then just comes out boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, shooting at him and shoots one of the cops. The other one gets behind the car, starts shooting back. It's like, yeah, no, listen, I get, that's gotta be a crazy thing to, you know, it's like, um. I remember hearing a baseball player say once that he was like, uh, he goes, the toughest thing about being like, uh, um, in the outfield.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  Is that like every si- if you think about the game, like every single pitch, you gotta immediately like, be like, oh, is it coming to me?

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:34:58Speaker 03

  And then it's just like not, not, not, not, not, not, not is, you know, and like you gotta like be ready for that one time where like it is coming to you. And I, I'd imagine there's something like that with the cops.

• 1:35:07Joe Rogan?

  Times a million.

• 1:35:08Speaker 03

  Every routine traffic stop, you gotta be a little bit concerned about that. On the other hand, that is the job. And there are expectations when you're, you know, if your salary is paid by the people's taxes and like you.

• 1:35:23Speaker 03

  The standard has to be probably the same thing I think the standard for fighting wars should be. The standard should just always be, do you absolutely have to do this? You know, like if you don't have to.

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• 1:37:30Speaker 03

  Situation.

• 1:37:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Like, do you have to do this?

• 1:37:32Speaker 03

  He's selling loose cigarettes. Okay, there's gotta be some, I, I understand.

• 1:37:35Joe Rogan?

  Tell them not to do that.

• 1:37:36Speaker 03

  Right. And I, I understand, like, maybe there's, like, human beings could get very creative, man. We could find, I, I understand you're saying, okay, there's, the guy inside the store has to, you know, sell cigarettes with the tax on them, he gets to sell these Lucy cigarettes, it's hurting this guy's business, and maybe he's asked him to leave and he hasn't. We're talking about selling loose cigarettes outside of a store. You just don't need to bring this level of violence, you know, to the, to, for this situation. And, you know, it's one of the things like, um, I know, I, I saw you were talking about the other day, um, with the Trump deportation stuff. Where there's like this very, it's a, it's an interesting moment that we're in right now. Because you have, if you remember in Trump's first term, this was one of the biggest, kind

• 1:38:19Speaker 03

  of like, um, uh, controversies that he, he lost a lot of public support over, was the kids in cages thing. And, okay, now they, you know.

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Turns out they'd always put kids in cages.

• 1:38:33Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, they were built under the Obama administration, it was kind of bullshit. They took some pictures of a kid crying that didn't, wasn't even really about the Trump deportations, like, you know, the media lies, that's what they do. But, there is something about, you know, like, in the, uh, in the civil rights movement, you know, Martin Luther King and those guys, they picked Birmingham, Alabama. Like, they knew what they were doing. And they were, they knew that they were gonna get this reaction, and that then it could be on TV. And they almost forced the American people to watch these young black men in suits and ties have fire hoses and dogs sicced on them. And even for the 1960s American person who maybe harbored, like, some significant degree

• 1:39:18Speaker 03

  of prejudice, even for them, just seeing that was like, ah, Jesus, like, I can't support that. You know what I mean? And there is something with, you know, the, the US has had just an insane immigration policy, really since 1965. Um, but, I mean, the Biden immigration, it was the, just like, the most insane policy. Joe Biden seems to me like his, at least part of his legacy, is he moved the country further right on immigration than you could have imagined. Isn't that super majorities of the American people support mass deportations? But...

• 1:39:58Speaker 03

  Just like there's a difference between being a little bit racist against black people and being able to watch, you know, cops unleash German shepherds on black dudes in suits and ties. It's one thing to kind of believe, I think the people who are here illegally gotta go back. It's another thing to like, watch it unfold and see what type of, and I'll just say this, like, on the theme of what I was saying like earlier about the Signal stuff, you know, there were so many efforts to like, sabotage Donald Trump's first presidency. In this moment, if you really wanna see mass deportations, which by the way, we're not seeing, but if you really wanna see that, as most Americans do, you've finally won the argument. You've finally won the day.

• 1:40:38Speaker 03

  You've now got super majorities of the American people on your side and you've elected a president that this is his signature issue. The last thing you would wanna do is go round up 234 of them with no due process and send them to the most notorious brutal prison in El Salvador.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  And get some of them wrong.

• 1:40:55Speaker 03

  Like, what the fuck are you thinking?

• 1:40:57Joe Rogan?

  And get some of them wrong.

• 1:40:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:58Joe Rogan?

  And that, that's, and the thing is, you're saying there haven't been mass deportations. What do you, what do you mean by that?

• 1:41:03Speaker 03

  I mean, I mean in large numbers. Like, there, there have been, there have been deportations. They've already kind of slowed down, but we have tens of millions of illegal immigrants in the country.

• 1:41:13Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that's not the, what they're looking for. What they're looking for is the criminals. And here's the, allegedly, right? This is what we're hoping. But here's the problem that bothers me. Quotas. I had a friend who was a cop who would tell me about quotas for speeding tickets back when they weren't supposed to tell people about that.

• 1:41:29Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41:29Joe Rogan?

  They have quotas.

• 1:41:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:41:30Joe Rogan?

  And I said, so it's basically like being a glorified revenue collector. And he's like, pretty much, pretty much. If I'm not writing tickets, you know, it's, it's gonna come down on me. Like, imagine a day where everybody made a decision. Like, for the next 60 days collectively, as a country, no one's gonna violate any traffic laws. Everyone's gonna stop to a complete halt at every stop sign. No one's gonna go a mile an hour above the speed limit. What happens? What do these cops do? If you have quotas? So you're assuming that people will always break the law forever. And if they don't, do you- Do you adjust? Do you fire the cops? Do you cut your budget? What do you do?

• 1:42:11Speaker 03

  Do you remember when this happened in New York City? Uh, it was over a decade ago. There was a, they had this like unofficial official police like slowdown. Where they, they were upset about this. I can't remember the exact story, but it was the head of the police union said. That he was like, we will only be it, um, uh, uh, enforcing like violent crimes.

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  It was one of the stop and frisk.

• 1:42:35Speaker 03

  Yes, it was over the stop and frisk controversy. And they were kind of like, oh, you guys want to all call as recent, which already I thought was so hilarious. I used to have a joke in my act about this many years ago, but where it was just like, that was the threat from cops. Was like, we're only going to arrest violent criminals. And you're like, that's probably what you should be doing to begin with. Like, what are we? And so then like all these, and everything was fine, by the way. There wasn't a rise in, in violent crime. It was just, they just stopped doing it. But revenue started collapsing. And then they like whipped the cops into getting back to it. Like they were like threatening their pensions and shit. And they were like, yo, you cannot do this. We have that, you've got to keep policing for profit.

• 1:43:11Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? Policing for profit. It's crazy. It's crazy that they write tickets. Like tickets are kind of nuts. You know, it's like you, you have to give us money because you went too fast.

• 1:43:22Speaker 03

  Well, I've always.

• 1:43:23Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's the incentive that everybody, everyone agrees it's going to work. God, I got another ticket.

• 1:43:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:43:28Speaker 03

  I always thought like, um.

• 1:43:30Joe Rogan?

  You're going to stop speeding? No, I'm going to get a radar detector.

• 1:43:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, right. People find a way. I always thought there was something really unfair, um, that. Uh, some, I've heard some progressives talk about this, but it never seemed to like get that much traction. But there is something about like, uh, giving a ticket. That's like, um, you know. What? It just seems so regressive in terms of like, uh. Like it's so much more punitive toward poor people and working class people.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:43:57Speaker 03

  Than it is toward the well, and it's the same number for all of that. You know what I mean? Like, there's something about that that's fucked up. No, I'm not sure. I know, I know. This is the, the way the, this is the problem is that progressives. That will take that and go, oh, okay. So that means up it on the rich people. It's like, no, that's not what I'm saying.

• 1:44:12Joe Rogan?

  The rich.

• 1:44:12Speaker 03

  But like, you know, you, you hand out a $75 ticket to, to. Somebody who's making like 400 bucks a week. And you're like, Jesus Christ, dude, like that is devastating to that person.

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:25Speaker 03

  Whereas like you hand out a $75 ticket to like a rich person, it's kind of like, okay.

• 1:44:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:29Speaker 03

  You know, that's a reasonable punishment for that. I mean, you know, anyway, listen, I'm not advocating like I'm not a leftist. I don't care about equity, but.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  No, that's not a good idea, but it is a strange thing that there are revenue collectors who are also peace officers. Like, it seems like that should be a completely different thing.

• 1:44:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  It seems like cops shouldn't be pulling people over because your fucking taillights out. That seems silly. That seems like a totally different proposition.

• 1:44:56Speaker 03

  Yep. Yeah, no, I completely agree.

• 1:44:58Joe Rogan?

  They pull people over for doing stupid shit and a large percent of them are carrying drugs. A lot of them have fucking bricks in the back of their car. That's the craziest thing about guys who are trafficking drugs. They're trafficking like fucking 30 pounds of fentanyl and they get pulled over for speeding.

• 1:45:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, or something like that. Oh, dude.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  They're coked up and they're fucking driving fast and they got a trunk full of fucking illegal guns and cocaine and meth and. Why aren't you going so slow and cautious? Why aren't you using your blinker? You should be listening to country music on your radio.

• 1:45:34Speaker 03

  Nah, dude, you got meth to get somewhere.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  You should have a fucking Cat Diesel hat on. You should be nice and calm and slow. You're a regular guy, just going about your day.

• 1:45:45Speaker 03

  Well, by definition, these people aren't making the wisest decisions, probably.

• 1:45:48Joe Rogan?

  No, who do you get to drive your fucking car filled with meth? You gotta get a crazy dude.

• 1:45:51Speaker 03

  It's not as easy as you'd think. You really gotta, you can't, and you can't just put a Craigslist ad up or whatever. Like, I'm sure you gotta go through some sketchy channels to get there.

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Tom Homan guy sending everybody across the border, you can't even get the Mexicans to do it anymore.

• 1:46:04Speaker 03

  Jesus. I mean, that guy is, it is funny where like he's, I, I get where he's kind of like the guy you'd want if you're like, we're a hard, we gotta, we need a hard ass in here to do this. But when you do start getting these concerns about due process, I mean, his response, it was in some interview where they were asking him about due process for the people he's deporting and he's like, um. Uh, what's the girl?

• 1:46:26Joe Rogan?

  Where was a good due process for Lake and Riley?

• 1:46:28Speaker 03

  For Lake and Riley. Where was the due process for her? And you're like, yeah, but dude, that's not what due process means.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, you gotta be sure.

• 1:46:34Speaker 03

  Like, obviously murder victims don't get due process. That's why it's illegal to murder somebody. And even, by the way, in that case, her killer got due process and then got convicted of murder. You know what I mean? Like, that's the whole point. And there's just, again, like I was saying, it seems, there's a few moves that the Trump administration has, has made so far. And I don't know who is in his ear and who has convinced him, uh, to pursue this policy. But like, again, if you wanted to pursue, like, mass deportations, which I understand, I think there's a strong case. I mean, look, he's done a great job of, um, stopping the flow, which was job number one. And that was his best line at his State of the Union, where it was like, the Democrats kept saying, we needed legislation to close the border.

• 1:47:16Speaker 03

  Turns out, we just needed a new president, which is shockingly true. Like, it is unbelievable how it went from record-high border crossings under Biden to record-low border crossings over Donald Trump. And I do think that so much of that is just that it's a real difficult journey. And if people feel like, oh, Trump's in there, obviously, we're not going to be allowed in, then they just won't go through it. I also do think that Donald Trump is fundamentally correct with his idea that, like, you don't have a nation if you don't have borders. Like, you can't, listen, the, the, the idea, at least, I'm not saying this is really how it works, but the idea is that we're a free country because we have self-government. And in other words, the American people get to decide how many people we bring in here and how many we don't.

• 1:47:58Speaker 03

  Um, and that, it's, at this point, nobody actually knows the number for sure, but it is north of 30 million, uh, illegal immigrants in the country. But my God, if you wanted to, wait, to start deporting people who are legal residents, who are not violent criminals because they wrote a pro-Palestinian op-ed, you're diving into the most contentious issue and then picking one side of that and then, like, this just seems like, it, it's almost as if you're trying to, to poison the possibility to ever really have mass deportations. It just seems so counterproductive by his own stated goals.

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  And well, there's so many layers of it that are hard to unpack for the average person. What's really hard to unpack, especially for like tried and true blue no matter who Democrats, is this idea that they were bringing people into this country, moving them into swing states, getting them on social security, giving them money and incentives and all sorts of government programs that would get them eventually to be voters. Yeah. And these voters would vote for that party and you'd have a unit party. So in that sense, that that's that's the big one that a lot of people that are left wing people have a really hard time swallowing. They don't believe that's true and they'll take it. Well, what about when Texas sent those people up to New York? You know, the governor of Texas sent people to New York. Right.

• 1:49:19Joe Rogan?

  But do you know that New York's not a swing state? Yeah, he did that. But why did he do that? He do that as a big fuck you to New York for turning for the government to turning a blind eye to the problem at the border and saying, okay, you think this isn't a problem? I'm gonna send this problem to you. It was exposed to hypocrisy. Yeah, yeah. You have a sanctuary city? Oh, that's cute. I'll send you thousands and thousands of people that you're gonna have to take care of now. And they did. And then that's even weirder because then they took over fucking luxury hotels and they had a deal with it. I think it was it Pakistan owns one of those hotels? Oh, is that? Yeah. What it who owns the the the big one that was in the fucking Jennifer Lopez movie where she was a hot maid? Remember that movie? Made in Manhattan?

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  I never saw it, but I vaguely remember. I watched it recently with my family. It's the most ridiculous thing. She's like 10 and she's just like this poor little sad maid. Pakistan International Airlines has owned the structure. They own the Roosevelt. So the Roosevelt's an iconic hotel in New York City and they get paid by the federal government, or they did get paid by the federal government to house immigration immigrants there. And they give them food and they give them money. They give them and like, what are you doing? Like if you're allowing these people to vote in regional elections, okay, you've essentially now you've you've bought regional elections. And if you want them to eventually become United States citizens and give them a pathway to citizenship, which all good people would want. Dave Smith, okay, now you have voters.

• 1:50:47Joe Rogan?

  And if you do that en masse, which they did, they brought people in this, they invited people, helped people. The Red Cross was like giving them maps, like this is how you do it. They had stops along the way, we give them water and you walk right through when everybody just gets to be on a bus. And you get shipped off to swing states. That literally happened. And people on the left do not want to address it, they want to deny it. It was an attempt to take over.

• 1:51:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and look, I'll say, I just, I know this, because I'm like, you know, this is, I guess that one of the benefits of like getting older and paying attention to this shit is like, I can remember shit from fifteen, twenty years ago, like I was paying attention then. And I remember all of them admitting this was their plan. Like, literally, all of the, Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow and all, they used to call it the Browning of America. And they used to openly brag about how the Democrat will have super permanent majorities forever. Because look like, hey, you old dying white Republicans, like, sorry, that's it for you, because the Latinos vote overwhelmingly for Democrat and we're going to be a majority minority country and then a majority Hispanic country. And then the Democrats rule the day forever.

• 1:51:57Speaker 03

  So this is just, you know, Mitt Romney or whoever's running for president right now, this is the dying throes of the end of a, but then when people started objecting to that policy. And they, they called it the Browning of America, and then when people objected to it, they would call it the Great Replacement or whatever. And then they'd go, you're not allowed to say that. That means you're a Nazi. And you're like, but I just heard you saying it, like, five years ago, I heard you saying this.

• 1:52:21Joe Rogan?

  You can't use the term replace for theory.

• 1:52:23Speaker 03

  And so there was this weird, and then there was also the, uh, one of the other big tells of this was the way they attempted, which really failed. But the way they attempted to make voter ID like a toxic racist policy, which was so, I mean, the logic of it just collapses on itself. Because if it's, first of all, it seems like some bigotry of low expectations to imply that black people are like, just can't figure out how to get ID.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember Kathy Hochul saying that they don't know what computers are?

• 1:52:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. Hey, hey, that's right. Yeah. Do you remember that?

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  That is the craziest.

• 1:52:59Speaker 03

  I think you sent me it.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  First of all, every fucking human being has a computer in their pocket.

• 1:53:03Speaker 03

  Dude, what was the, the black dude who made that video was the funniest guy. I think you sent it to me. But he was like, there was like a computer and he comes and just like dancing around it. And he's like trying to like trying to bite it and stuff too. It was so goddamn funny where you're like, that's literally what you're saying. Like, I don't know.

• 1:53:17Joe Rogan?

  And it's like spliced, like on the left side of it is her explaining that black people don't know.

• 1:53:22Speaker 03

  Looking at it like it's only.

• 1:53:23Joe Rogan?

  Black inner city kids, they don't know what a computer is.

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  Well, but then, I mean, like just, you know, just like using the most basic logic, you'd be like, okay, wait a minute, but like. So if requiring ID is racist, then like, we got some other really big problems in this country that we should be looking at like.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, but it's in the direct memory, the recent memory of everybody needing ID. Because you had to prove that you got the COVID vaccine.

• 1:53:45Speaker 03

  Right, right. Yeah. Which then, and then that was fine. Somehow that, and when that, by the way, disproportionately affected minorities.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:51Speaker 03

  No one seemed, no progressives seemed to care about that.

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  No one cared.

• 1:53:54Speaker 03

  It was overwhelmingly black people, wildly disproportionately black people and immigrants who just refused the vaccine. By the way, let the record show, they were smarter than everybody else for doing it.

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  You know who else?

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  Me and you?

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  PhDs.

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. That is an interesting detail, isn't it?

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  Overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly skeptical about this new vaccine.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  And here, me and you got called out by Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden for fucking being right, for being absolutely right. I mean, it's, it's so wild too, that, that was only, um, three years ago or four years ago. When you said that your advice to young people was to just be really healthy. And that was like a national controversy that you just like, it, I mean, you just think about how upside down everything is.

• 1:54:39Joe Rogan?

  People doing the man's job for the man. It was everybody piled on, like everybody, and especially once you got the shot yourself. You're like, I did the right thing because you knew it was risky. You fucking know it's risky.

• 1:54:51Speaker 03

  To.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely. It's medication. Anytime you get medication, you know it's risky. Anytime you get some pharmaceutical drug in your system. Not to mention some completely novel new way where it turns your entire body.

• 1:55:05Joe Rogan?

  Into a vaccine or an immunity producing spike protein factory. The mo- it, by the way, which is the most toxic aspect of getting the disease is the spike protein. So your body's going to produce it itself. What? PhDs are like, eh, I don't know.

• 1:55:24Speaker 03

  And it was also way past, way, way, way past the point where we had already figured out that like, if you weren't very old and very sick, this was, you statistically had almost no chance of like a serious negative outcome.

• 1:55:36Joe Rogan?

  And even more importantly, we had very long ago realized it wasn't a threat at all to kids.

• 1:55:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:55:43Joe Rogan?

  So there was no justification whatsoever to force kids to get vaccinated. And yet we did it and California did it. They did it to schools. They did it everywhere. And the fact that they pulled that off. And then a couple of years later, they're like, you don't need ID to vote.

• 1:55:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:59Joe Rogan?

  Why you need ID to vote? That's racist. In California, you're not allowed to show ID. You're not allowed to show ID.

• 1:56:08Speaker 03

  So like, come on. I mean, listen, obviously this is, and like, there's a reason for all of this. It's not, they didn't just pick showing your ID voting and decide to make this the issue that they harped on and tried to pretend you were somehow racist, or you were somehow infringing on voting rights by requiring an ID. And so look like there, this did, a couple of things happened. Number one, it totally turned public opinion against this, this level of, of crazy immigration. And number two, I mean, Donald Trump ended up winning a bigger percentage of the Latino vote than I believe any Republican in my life. Which is really, I mean.

• 1:56:48Joe Rogan?

  Especially after Tony Ancliff. That's pretty wild.

• 1:56:51Speaker 03

  I think Tony Ancliff, he might've gotten more votes.

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, nobody takes a joke better than Puerto Ricans, by the way.

• 1:56:57Speaker 03

  By the way, there is something really funny about that where, and this has been a theme for, for years in the country, but really Tony was a great example of that. But where like. You know, for all their talk about diversity and anti racism and all of this, what they always seem to do is try to impose white lady values on minorities. You know what I mean? Like, just imagine.

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  That's a great way to put it, white lady values.

• 1:57:27Speaker 03

  It's always white lady values. It's always, you know who's really offended by a joke? As, as we both know, Joe, as professional comedians for many years, you know, black people just get very offended by jokes. No, they fucking don't. That's white women. That's white women shit. That's not Latinos or African Americans. They are, they're the ones who take a joke the best.

• 1:57:47Joe Rogan?

  Especially a good joke.

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. But also like the, the more offensive, the better. Like, they love that shit. I mean, by and large, like, there's exceptions.

• 1:57:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's exceptions for sure, but Puerto Ricans are known, like, if you grew up around Puerto Ricans, they're fun and they talk a lot of shit.

• 1:58:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:58:03Joe Rogan?

  It's part of the culture.

• 1:58:04Speaker 03

  Yep. And so it's like, you're trying to, you know, there's something about it that was always like, it's always, the liberal push for diversity is always like, we want different shades of people in our culture.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:58:20Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, it was never like, there was never a thing where it's like, oh, we're gonna go into the hood and we're gonna adopt your culture. Like, that's not what we're talking about.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  Which is why they hate black Republicans.

• 1:58:29Speaker 03

  Yep. That's a big, a big part of it.

• 1:58:32Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem. They, they go after black Republicans so hard, even harder, I think, than they go after a lot of white Republicans.

• 1:58:39Speaker 03

  Oh, in some cases, much more viciously, yeah. I mean, and, and I think by, you know, we talked about Candace Owens before. That's part of what her freaking, you know, boot camp before pissing off all the Israeli supporters was, is that she's already been through the fire. And she's been an outspoken, black, female conservative. And that's like, they really hate that because they do kind of view you as like, which is fucked up in a way, but it really is kind of like, you're, they decided that they're the champion of women and black people. And therefore, if you're a black woman, it's your responsibility to support these liberal white women, you know?

• 1:59:17Joe Rogan?

  And she used to. That's the thing about.

• 1:59:18Speaker 03

  She went, right, she went from, she went from being a-

• 1:59:20Joe Rogan?

  When she was very young, she was liberal.

• 1:59:22Speaker 03

  And then she was also a hardcore Zionist, uh, at one point, like, very big supporter of Israel and then changed her mind on that. But it is, you know, there, there is a viciousness which, with which those people get attacked. I do think, and I still, I think I said this the last time we were on, uh, the last time I was on. But I still do think that in many ways, that's the best part of Donald Trump winning again, is just the cultural phenomenon of it. Where it does seem like there's been a big rejection of all of that shit. You know, I, um, I had a, I had dinner with, uh, with, uh, Daryl last night.

• 1:59:58Joe Rogan?

  Daryl Cooper.

• 1:59:58Speaker 03

  Daryl Cooper. And, uh, with, uh, Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton. And we were talking a little bit about this, but like, what happened, first of all, I led the record show, uh, for both good and bad. I was promoting Daryl Cooper before everybody else was. I was the first guy. Not even the first, but I was like, yo, this guy's podcast is amazing, and it really, really is. But there was something so interesting about, like, his Tucker appearance, the backlash against it. The fact that it did absolutely nothing to harm him and his podcast just shot up on all the charts and now more people than ever are listening to his stuff.

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:33Speaker 03

  There, there is like, and I do, I've seen a lot of this and I've gotten into some arguments with some, like, Konstantin Kassin. I've argued with him about this. I respect him very much. I like him a lot. I think he's very smart. But there are like, there, there are these woke tactics now that are being used by many people, uh, who have been opposing woke-ism for a very long time. And I think it's interesting how much people have woken up to that, no pun intended, but how much people like kind of recognize that now. And that stuff has just been rejected. And even like on the most basic level. The thing, first of all, the fact that there was such an outrage for what Daryl Cooper said on Tucker Carlson's podcast already proves the point. It already proves the point that you're like, yo, this is insane.

• 2:01:16Speaker 03

  This is insane that, that this, like, you're not even, you can't even like have a conversation about these things without this massive pile on this-

• 2:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, these pejoratives that get-

• 2:01:27Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:01:27Joe Rogan?

  Is stuck on him, that got stuck on me for platforming him.

• 2:01:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:31Joe Rogan?

  I read Joe Rogan had a Nazi apologist and Holocaust denier.

• 2:01:39Speaker 03

  Well.

• 2:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Or skeptic. I think they said Holocaust skeptic. I forget what term they use, but none of those things are true.

• 2:01:45Speaker 03

  And none of them, I mean, he's got this big, I'm very excited for it, but he's putting together this big piece on World War II. And like, none of them are gonna come back and go, oh yeah, I got it wrong. I apologize.

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  No, they're not.

• 2:01:56Speaker 03

  Cause he's totally not doing that at all.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  What if they were? They would have listened to Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem.

• 2:02:00Speaker 03

  Well, I said this, I said this to Constantine when we were arguing about it on Twitter. And I go, listen dude, I go, listen, just take, I called it my non-woke challenge. I go, take my non-woke challenge, okay? All it takes is an hour of your time. Listen to the first 30 minutes of Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem, and then listen to the 30 minutes in the, like, he put out another piece after it, I forget the title of it, but it took from the history where Fear and Loathing left off up to like the 80s. And there was a, it started like around, or maybe it was part of Fear and Loathing, but anyway, he had a half hour chunk that was on the Jews suffering in World War II. And I was like, so listen to these two half hours, and you tell me if it is conceivably possible

• 2:02:40Speaker 03

  that a Jew-hating Nazi sympathizer could have ever put this out. Cause it's impossible.

• 2:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Impossible.

• 2:02:46Speaker 03

  And he goes, I have listened to it. And I was like, oh, well then we can't talk anymore, man. Not in general, but I was like, we can't talk about this anymore. But I think there's something almost more simple. That was like, look, if you listen to what Daryl said on Tucker's podcast, he essentially goes, he goes, you know, I say this sometimes to get a rise out of my buddy, who's like an Anglo-Saxon, and I'm kind of being hyperbolic when I say it, but I kind of say it to prod, but in some ways, I think Churchill was the real villain of the war. Now, he didn't commit the most atrocities, I'm not saying he was the worst person there, but I think he's primarily responsible for this not being maybe like a little conflict in Poland and turning into like the big bloodbath that it did. Okay, say whatever you will about that, there's a fair argument to be there.

• 2:03:29Speaker 03

  I tend to think Daryl's right, but maybe, maybe he's not. But every single person who repeated that would go, he said Churchill was the, was the real villain. And you're like, you know what, dude, we're not doing that anymore. Like, we're just, we're not very fine people on both sides in this whole thing. Like, come on, dude. No, that's not what he fucking said. And you could take out all that other context. But any honest person looking at that just goes like, no, that's not what he said. And, you know, in, and I was on Pierce Morgan's show, uh, uh, one more shout out to Pierce, but, but even when he played the clip, he cut out all that context and just played the part where he says the real villain was Churchill.

• 2:04:08Speaker 03

  And you're like, I think people have, after so many years of this being the constant tactic to like, like, it's like, Pete, there's a, there's a giant rejection of that. And I think that's really good. I think a lot of that has to do with Trump winning. Again, I mean, there's other factors involved too. But I do just think it's like these woke tactics of like, where you call everyone who disagrees with you a racist or a bigot or this is just not, like, we're not playing that game anymore. Or at least it seems like most people aren't playing that game anymore.

• 2:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not gonna work anymore. And the people that are, that have their minds made up, that have just, knee jerk reaction, they're gonna decide someone's a Nazi or someone's a Hitler apologist, they're not looking into it at all anyway. They, they have this cursory examination of the headline, good enough, I'm gonna run with it and I'm gonna argue with it. There's always gonna be people like that. But the majority of people are like, what is this all about? What did he actually say? Well, let me listen to his show. And then his show shoots up to number one. You know, and it shot up to number one again after he was on my podcast, the same kind of thing. It's like, it's a fucking great show. It's a great show. And it's not just great about Israel. It's not just great about World War II. His fucking thing on Jim Jones is insane.

• 2:05:20Speaker 03

  So good.

• 2:05:21Joe Rogan?

  It's so good. It's so insane. And he does that with everything. And he has empathy and compassion and, and, and a, a general, like a general desire to empathize and see how someone could join this cult. How Jim Jones could turn from this guy who was a civil rights leader.

• 2:05:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  He was a civil rights leader in the 1950s. I mean, this guy was living in a time where he had adopted a black child. And was persecuted all throughout town because of it was ge- genuinely like a real Christian. Then he's hopped up on meth, he's out of his fucking mind. Now he's in Guyana. And he's got a whole group of people with him and he talks them all into killing themselves and the ones who don't, he kills them. And yeah, it's a crazy tragedy, but what Darryl Cooper does is long form editorial. Like you have, you have to look at it from an editorial aspect because it's, it's opinion, but it's also information that he, he's citing his sources.

• 2:06:25Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, put yourself in these people's shoes, which is what he does.

• 2:06:30Speaker 03

  Which is essentially his only like demand. It's through all of his work, his only demand is like, listen, you have to, if you're gonna listen to my work, you have to do your absolute best. To put yourself in these person's shoes and then put yourself in the other side's shoes.

• 2:06:44Joe Rogan?

  Fear and loathing in New Jerusalem starts out with Jews being persecuted. Imagine these people are your neighbors. And he, he brings you through this horrific scenario that absolutely did happen to some of the people there.

• 2:06:56Speaker 03

  And you don't, it's, it's cool the way he, I mean, I don't spoil or alert or whatever. It's just the beginning, but it's so good. But like you almost don't know what he's talking about at first. You're like, is this a Palestinian getting fucked over? Is this, because the story's about. You know, going in, this is gonna be about the creation of the state of Israel or whatever, but then you realize like, oh no, this is a Jew in Eastern Europe going through a pogrom. And I will say this, right? As somebody who um is uh fairly well read on the subject. Compared to like the layman, not compared to Darryl Cooper. There's levels to this shit. It's like, I used to think Rich Franklin was the best striker in the world and then Anderson Silva fought him and you're like, okay, he is not. Um, but Rich Franklin was great, but Anderson Silva was amazing. Uh, but listening to that series.

• 2:07:39Speaker 03

  It is, it made me much more sympathetic to the Israelis, if I'm being honest. And I know I've heard that from other people too. But it does, because Darryl insists on doing that, like, look, it's real, it's easy. Now, I'm not saying, I'm not saying this is an excuse for anything like. The, the Nakba in nineteen forty seven, nineteen forty eight is horrible. It was a giant ethnic cleansing campaign, you know? Okay. But if you do put this into context, you know, like the year is 1947. Okay, first of all, just think about like even the attitudes of 1947 that you know of like, you know, just in terms of racism and things like that, like very different attitudes in 1947. Also, you're two years removed from the end of World War II,

• 2:08:23Speaker 03

  where the quote, "good guys" in the story are, or the winners in the story are like, like Truman, who just firebombed Tokyo, dropped two nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the bombing of Dresden, the bombing of Berlin. Joseph Stalin is in the process, as this is happening, as this is happening, of ethnically cleansing millions of ethnic Germans all throughout Eastern Europe. This is only a couple of years after Stalin's army raped their way through Europe. You know what I mean? And then, of course, there's the atrocities of the Nazis, and you're the Jewish people who just went through this Holocaust. And all of this is in the background, and you're gonna say, "You're telling me we can't move a few hundred thousand people off their land to create our new state?"

• 2:09:08Speaker 03

  Like, who's gonna fucking morally lecture us about doing this little thing here? You know, and like, I'm not saying any of that excuses it. And it wasn't the Palestinians' fault that any of that happened. And so like, but like, it is worthwhile. Like, that's what doing history should be, right? It should be like, understanding that these were real human beings. These aren't cartoon monsters. There was, now, they may have done monstrous shit, but like, there was something, you know, going on there. And there was kind of like, you know, it's, I think it's just beneficial to understand all of that stuff. And, you know, Menachem Begin, who is like, the worst. I mean, like, was a straight-up terrorist. I mean, and in that series, if you remember, he talks a lot about like,

• 2:09:51Speaker 03

  "The evil shit that Menachem Begin and the Ergon and the Stern Gang and the Hagen, all the shit they did." And they were just straight-up terrorists, that's what they were doing. Terrorism in order to drive out an occupying force, you can't make this shit up, is what led to the creation of Israel. And now they're like, you know,

• 2:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Kind of universally regarded as terrorist groups.

• 2:10:12Speaker 03

  Oh, you self admitted terrorist groups, like we're committing acts of terrorism. There were debates about whether we should embrace terrorism or not. And the side saying we should embrace terrorism won the day. This is how Heim Weitzman, he was supposed to be the David Ben-Gurion. He was the number one ranked Zionist at the time. And he stood up and was like, yo, we can't do this. We can't embrace terrorism. Like his thing was like, we can't achieve a Jewish state by un-Jewish means. And which he considered terrorism to be like this violates our religion. We can't do this. But even him, there was this one point, which I had never heard before, but I learned it from Daryl Cooper's series. I think it was probably the, one of the things that stuck with me the most was that, if you remember, it's right toward the end.

• 2:10:54Speaker 03

  It's when they're, they're doing, you know, they're doing the King David Hotel bombing and they're doing all this terrorism to try to drive the, drive the British out. And at one point, the British like caught a few of the, I can't remember if it was from the Ergon or the Lehigh, but it was from one of those two militias. And they caught a few of their guys and they like publicly flogged them or something like that. And then Menachem Begin and his terrorist boys, they got a few of like the, of the British soldiers. And they fucking flogged the shit out of them and then killed them and then booby trapped the bodies so that it fucking blew up more people when they came to try to get it back. And then now he's a wanted man at this time, Menachem Begin, so he's like living underground. And so he, then he did like a radio address.

• 2:11:37Speaker 03

  And in his radio address, he was like, he said something like, he was like, hey, just so you know, Jews don't get flogged anymore. We do the flogging now. And look, this guy was a bad guy. He was a fucking terrorist, but there is something so badass about that, that there is a part of you that's just like, whoo. Like you, you can kind of understand a people going through this fucking collective struggle. And then getting to a point where they're like, we will be the ones inflicting struggle from now on, not the ones receiving it.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:07Speaker 03

  And I, you know, look, I still come out on the side that I think Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is, is horrible and inexcusable. And I favor a two-state solution. I think America should stop funding Israel, but I think it's nothing but beneficial. To kind of like, understand that perspective a little bit more. And even though I kind of grew up on the pro-Israel propaganda and then ultimately rejected it. That was Daryl's effect on me. Was being like, ah, you know, there is like, I'm seeing the humanity in the Israeli side a little bit more.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:35Speaker 03

  So, give me a fucking break about these people saying like, he's some fucking neo-Nazi drumming up Jew hatred. It's not true.

• 2:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just, they just have established boundaries of what you're allowed to talk about.

• 2:12:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's exactly right.

• 2:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And there's, there's, you know, there's narratives that can't be breached. You have to, you have to follow it to a T. And that's it, that's it. And anything else, you're anti-Semite. And you know, he's labeled all over the place. I'm sure his Wikipedia calls him that. I'm sure. I mean, it's just, it, there's so many people that have really irresponsibly done that. And defamed him. And it's fucked up, but ultimately it doesn't work. It just makes him bigger.

• 2:13:17Speaker 03

  I, I 100% agree. And then I also think that it's, um, it's almost like, it's very obvious, I think, if you're looking at it with clear eyes. That it's like, look, like, okay, look, look, I'm Jewish. And I don't wish to see a rise in people hating Jewish people like that. Obviously I'd be opposed to that. But you're gonna, you're, if you're gonna say that anybody who criticizes the government of Israel, or anybody who criticizes the Israeli lobby and the unbelievable influence that that has over the, our, our government. And you're gonna label all of them as anti-Semites. Like, alright, I, I would think that it would be wiser

• 2:13:59Speaker 03

  to at least be thankful that there are people who are not Jew haters, who are pointing this out. Rather than just leaving it to all the Jew haters to be the only ones who are, are pointing this out. Like, you know, it's like, you think Daryl Cooper is like, okay, like, what's your goal here to shut him down? Who do you think's gonna replace him? You better hope that they're gonna be as thoughtful and responsible as he is.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:21Speaker 03

  Um, and they probably won't be, because not too many people are.

• 2:14:23Joe Rogan?

  But that's how it always is, right? I mean, this is, this is the, the problem with suppression. The problem. I mean, it's it's essentially a version of the same problem of creating terrorists. You attack because you think you're going to stop the terrorism, you just create more terrorism. You know, you think you're going to stop people from expanding the narrative and and talking outside of these borders that you've clearly established for how people are able to discuss certain sensitive topics. No, you're not. You're not going to do that. You're just going to make people realize that there's a third rail. And they don't understand why there's a third rail, and then they start looking into it, and they go, oh, how much influence does Israel have on our country? And then they start asking those kind of questions. And and this gives way to the rise of antisemitism.

• 2:15:07Joe Rogan?

  I think suppression of people's ability to talk about very polarizing topics like Gaza, suppression of that is a cause of antisemitism. Because people start start thinking, like, is there some sort of grand plan to control us and keep me from being able to talk about something that clearly is in the news every day? It seems like a big issue.

• 2:15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, there's also, um, you know, like, to think, literally, this is my origin story of being the guy that I am now, being obsessed with all this stuff, was seeing Ron Paul versus Rudy Giuliani in 2007 at the Republican primary debate. And Rudy Giuliani is arguing about how the terrorists hate us for our freedom. And then Ron Paul, who I'd never heard of, just like this country doctor from Texas with an R next to his name, starts going like, you know, they don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we're over there. Like, how would we feel if somebody else was doing to us what we're doing to them? And then Rudy Giuliani is like, yeah, that's a pretty absurd explanation that the reason

• 2:16:12Speaker 03

  they did 9/11 is because we were bombing Iraq. And he goes, I've heard a lot of absurd explanations for 9/11, and I've never heard anything that ridiculous, which, by the way... Was in Osama bin Laden's declaration of war on America. So like to be like, I've never heard of this is not quite the brag or flex that you think it is. And then Ron Paul just fucking schooled him. And was like, you know, he was like, you know, who came up with the term blowback? The CIA. Because it's a real thing. There is blowback. And if we think we can go around the world and do whatever we want to people, and that's not going to incite hatred, we do that at our own peril. Like, let's be honest. But for whatever reason, for me, it was always kind of just easy to connect that. Like, I remember, you remember,

• 2:16:56Speaker 03

  there was the scene in Good Will Hunting, where, like, at the end, when he breaks him, and he's like, it's not your fault, it's not your fault, and he starts crying. But he finally gets him to start talking about the abuse he went through in his childhood. And Matt Damon's character is talking about it, and he's like, he's like, oh, he used to lay, like, a stick, a belt, and a wrench on the table, and tell me to pick. And Robin Williams was like, ah, that had to go with the stick on that one. And he goes, I used to pick the wrench. And he was like, why would you pick the wrench? And he goes, because fuck him, that's why. And like, okay, there's something about that, that was always very easy for me to understand. Like, you just get to a point where it's like, yeah, because fuck you. It's like, why would, why would some Palestinian, who's, let's say, there's,

• 2:17:41Speaker 03

  there's an Israeli who kicks him out of his house, that his grandfather built, that his family's been living in for 100 years. And now that Israeli guy is living in his house. And you're watching from like, a refugee camp, this guy live in your house. And as Daryl says in the series, he goes, now, you have no means by which to give that house back to your grandmother. But you could burn that house to the fucking ground. And like, it's easy to look there and go, but why would you do that? That's irrational. It's like, no, not really. It's really not. Because it's picking the wrench. It's going, because fuck you. You know what I mean? And they're, like, all of these things, there's always, like, reactionary movements. And like, so again, like, this, it's a, okay, yes, you're

• 2:18:21Speaker 03

  going to sit here, and for fucking 15 years, tell young white men that they're toxic, and they're the problem, and their masculinity is inherently wrong. What do you think's gonna come out of that? And then like the same people are like, where did this Andrew Tate guy pop up from? And you're like, you made him. You made him. If you wanted to make him, you couldn't have done a better job. Look, that's the whole fucking story of the Nazis to begin with. That we imposed the Treaty of Versailles and insisted on internationally humiliating these people and crushing them. And then fuck, you know, where'd these Nazis come from? It has a reaction to that, obviously. Yeah.

• 2:18:56Joe Rogan?

  And we never learn. That's what's fucked. Do you think we're gonna learn more now? I mean, you have to realize, if you're thinking about history, this is the first time where people have this kind of access to all the different layers that are in operation all over the world. And if you're paying attention, and most people aren't, but if you're paying attention, you have a much broader understanding of all the things that are at play than ever before, and how these things could be avoided. And I think that's one of the reasons why people were excited about Trump getting into office when he was saying, I can stop that war in one day. I can, we can make deals, there's deals that can be made, you know, we can, we could stop all the killing stuff.

• 2:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's like, yeah, finally, someone is not gonna do it the way we've done it before.

• 2:19:43Speaker 03

  I think there's, I'm, uh, I'm incredibly-

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• 2:21:39Speaker 03

  The like optimistic on a long like time period. I think that like exactly what you just said, I mean, it's it's the the propaganda apparatus has been completely destroyed. Like it's just not, you know, there's and there's been this, I really do think a massive awakening. There's there's several factors to this. I think COVID is the biggest single one. You know, I think that there's there was something about imposing such draconian measures on the domestic population like, look, we start a lot of wars over bullshit, but the the truth is for most Americans.

• 2:22:20Speaker 03

  That's kind of over there somewhere and we're living our lives and, you know, like you might be against it, but it's a different thing than like instituting totalitarianism in the United States of America, which lockdowns were objectively. And they did it not only, it's not just that they got it all wrong. It's that it was, you know, they were fucking wrong, like you motherfuckers made the thing and you knew you did. And then you covered it up like there is even now, this is like everywhere. It's like the shit that we used to talk about a few years ago that was like the controversial, you know? Conversations, everyone's talking about him now. It was just Bill Maher the other day brought up that like, oh, you know, how crazy is it that we figured out that British intelligence in March of 2020?

• 2:23:01Speaker 03

  Said that, I forget what it was, but they said with 85% certainty, this came from the lab, you know, and then so. They did all of this and they got it completely wrong and they were so full of shit that that's kind of that spell's been broken. People see this now. I do think you're right that there was like a tremendous.

• 2:23:19Speaker 03

  Look, you know, as Ron Paul used to always say, the peace candidate always wins. I mean, like if you, in the year 2000, George W. Bush, uh, he, he campaigned on a humble foreign policy. No nation building, no using our police, not being the policeman of the world with our military. It's that people remember that's what he ran and won on. Barely won, but still he won on that. Um, and then in 2004, you know, John Kerry refused to run against the war and that's why he wasn't able to win. And then in 2008, Barack Obama ran on a peace campaign, you know, destroyed Hillary Clinton in the primary, who had all the institutional money, all the big support behind her. But she had voted for the war in Iraq and Obama said, hey, that was a big mistake. She, you can't give her.

• 2:24:01Speaker 03

  The presidency when she made such a big mistake. People went, you know what? That's right. You know, and even though he wasn't in the Senate yet, when the war in Iraq was going on, he hadn't, he didn't vote for the thing. And he said some beautiful things about closing Gitmo and ending torture and not fighting stupid wars and, and he won like a dominant victory. And then in 2016, Donald Trump ran and won on, we're going to stop fighting these stupid. And then in 2024, again, he wins on this. Like the American people have spoken. Now, that's a very different thing than the regime machinery itself. So that's a different, you know, battle. But the public, the battle of public opinion on that has been won. And then I do think, even though, uh, Jamie.

• 2:24:42Speaker 03

  Told us before the show started that there's now they're saying Elon Musk is, uh, going to be stepping away from Doge soon. And, and yes, it's true that Doge didn't actually get any drastic cuts through. But it is amazing what they have done in terms of like. Bringing to the cultural forefront, the issue of how corrupt government is. And so anyway, my long term thing is that I think I think corrupt regimes, which unfortunately, we live under one, I think they are completely dependent on propaganda. And that propaganda just broke. You know, like we're just getting out of that now. And I think there's, there's like amazing possibilities. Dude, I mean, three years ago, four years ago, I couldn't have imagined we'd be here now.

• 2:25:25Speaker 03

  Like, I just couldn't imagine that, like, the COVID restrictions have been completely defeated. Woke-ism seems to have been like pretty much defeated. You know, like, this is already just incredible.

• 2:25:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's incredible. It's interesting. And there's a lot of possibilities. It could go a bunch of different ways. And there's also examples of it going sideways, like what's happening in the UK and what's happening in other parts of Europe, where the totalitarian totalitarian measures are ramping up. And they didn't win the war on woke. And in fact, they lost that war.

• 2:25:56Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 2:25:57Joe Rogan?

  They lost that war. And I think that's a shiny example of the difference between what we tolerate in America. Having the First Amendment, having that freedom of speech, and then also having the Second Amendment, the ability to back that up. That, you know, people are always going to use your, I mean, I remember even Biden was talking about that. You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna fight a fucking jet with your rifles? Like, that's ridiculous. Like, no, but guess what? You can't just do what they did in Australia and ship people off to camps in America.

• 2:26:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Try that shit in Georgia.

• 2:26:28Speaker 03

  Well, it's so stupid, too, because number one, the Taliban just did that to you, sir. Like, literally, you just pulled out in disgrace of a war that you couldn't win against a bunch of illiterate goat herders with rifles.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, we left behind billions of dollars of weapons.

• 2:26:44Speaker 03

  They got a lot more rifles now.

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  And they go on parades with them. Where they're driving tanks down the street and flying over fucking Blackhawks.

• 2:26:51Speaker 03

  But the, but of course, the point is that, well, yes, if, if the US military decided to nuke its own, you know, population, yes, you're right, our guns wouldn't do any good. But the point is that that's not what they're trying to do. They're trying to rule us. And like, yeah. Of course, having guns like I look, I don't know. By the way, let's say like the Jews in in Nazi Germany had had been well armed. Would that have been enough to stop the Holocaust or like if the Ukrainians had been well armed? Would that have been enough to stop the genocide that Stalin inflicted on them or whatever? But I'd be better. They are than not like, I don't know, like, yeah, it it might at least give them a a second to go like, well, we can't go, you know?

• 2:27:35Speaker 03

  And the truth is like, if you were to just think the the state that we're in right now. It's like, what? Let's say they were just like tomorrow. Some leader was like, we're rounding up all the guns in Texas. Like, no, you're fucking not. Good luck. You'll have a civil war on your hands. Like, these people are not giving up their guns voluntarily. And the thing about people who won't give up their guns voluntarily is if you try to force them to it, they have guns.

• 2:27:58Joe Rogan?

  Especially if they think you're gonna shoot them.

• 2:28:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:01Joe Rogan?

  If you're coming with guns, they have guns. Now you have a fight.

• 2:28:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right.

• 2:28:06Joe Rogan?

  And that's terrifying. And then you're also you're paying someone to go do that. That's a regular person. Like, this is the thing about people in the army or in the police. These are just regular folks.

• 2:28:14Speaker 03

  Who tend to lean right wing and tend to like guns and and the Second Amendment.

• 2:28:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:19Speaker 03

  Who may not be so keen on, you know, taking away the Second Amendment.

• 2:28:22Joe Rogan?

  No, and they'll understand that this is a totalitarian measure and that what's gonna happen is it's gonna be the collapse of what we understand of as America. We we just, America is, we think of America in terms of our ability to express ourselves first and our ability to defend ourselves.

• 2:28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, that's why it's number one and number two. And it's not to say that this is the entire reason, because obviously things like there's many different variables and factors and there it's a complicated history. But the a huge part of the reason why America is the most prosperous, most successful country and and has largely been the freest country in the history of the world is because of that. Because the first thing we enshrined in our Bill of Rights was like, listen, man, the government is and that's and it's not, you know, it's it's not what the people are allowed to do. Is what the government is not allowed to do to the people. Congress, all right, no law. Period. You know, like, this is like, um, it's the fact that this is the only country in the history of the world that was started on that premise.

• 2:29:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:21Speaker 03

  And then has gone on to be the most dominantly successful country in the history of the world is not a coincidence.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not. This is, this is freedom's last battleground.

• 2:29:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  And we're in the middle of it right now. We're in the middle of it in a weird, transitionary time. Where things are being exposed at a level that have never been exposed before. And people have an understanding of how corrupt this system is at a way they've never been able to fully comprehend before. You, you, you know, you have an uncle that tells you, you know what they do is the CIA sends people. Uncle's crazy. That guy's out of his fucking mind. Then Mike Benz explains it to you and shows you charts and graphs and brings up articles and has classified documents that have been released. And he's showing you those like.

• 2:30:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, his stuff, and I mean, look, like the, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. I mean, it's just like, again.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  In every, in every category that you could imagine. Just what's happening with the American Heart Association, trying to get people to be able to buy sugary drinks. And, and crap food with food stamps. And then you realize, oh, wait, look, these companies like Coca-Cola and Pepsi have actually donated to the American Heart Association.

• 2:30:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, and evidently some, uh, some Twitter influencers too.

• 2:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:30:39Speaker 03

  Did you see that?

• 2:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:40Speaker 03

  Who have all, uh, um, taken in that big Pepsi money and then they're going, it is an assault on liberty to tell people they cannot buy Pepsi.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  So many people that have prominent X accounts and prominent, I'm sure other social media platforms as well. They all said the same thing and they're probably being paid. Because a bunch of people were being paid to support Kamala Harris. And there was a bunch of people that exposed that. They showed the, the emails that they got. We were invited to do this and you would get paid like a considerable amount of money to make some sort of a statement saying that you would vote for that person. And I guess they said, well, if you have 500,000 followers here and a million followers there and you add all those up and you give this guy 25 grand, this guy 50 grand and you give Beyonce 11 million.

• 2:31:27Speaker 03

  No, by the way, I hear constantly, uh, people, uh, when they attack me on Twitter that I'm getting Russian money or Qatari money. I've never got a goddamn check from any of them. Like, guys, give me the money. I'm already saying the thing, I think. So like, hey, why not at this point? I'm just kidding. I don't want your money.

• 2:31:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, I, I get it all the time. People think that someone's guiding this show and then I have, uh, someone who tells me what to talk about. Like I would have never had Kurt Metzger on yet.

• 2:31:53Speaker 03

  That's when you know no one's guiding anything. With Kurt Metzger.

• 2:31:56Joe Rogan?

  He was screaming about everybody. He was screaming about Elon. He was screaming about everybody.

• 2:32:01Speaker 03

  I love Kurt Metzger dearly. I've known him for over 20 years. He's one of the most brilliant comedic minds in the world, but let's be real. Nobody, if anyone was guiding anyone with a show, they would never allow Kurt Metzger to be on that show. He is, anytime he appears on a show, that is proof that there is no big money behind this show.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, the scary thing for people is that there's not a guide and that it really is the Wild West out here. And that's, that's real. Like this, like this show is a great example of that. Because this is the number one show in the world and this show is literally me and my phone.

• 2:32:31Speaker 03

  It's very interesting for me, from, from my perspective, uh, and I'm sure much more for you. But like from my perspective, it was just like somebody who's like a regular and, and a good friend of yours and has been on the show many times. I mean, I get, you know, constantly people will always come up to me and say, oh, what's Joe Rogan really like? Which is always an interesting question to me because it's like, uh, and I always say, my answer is always, uh, I go, but you already know. Like you already know what Joe Rogan's like. If, if you watch the show, you already know what Rogan, it's more of that. Like, I don't know. It's that or it's, you know, like, I'm not saying like, there's not like any element of like something you might tell a close friend that you wouldn't say publicly. But like generally speaking, and this is true, by the way, almost with all of my favorite comedians. You know, people be like, what was Patrice O'Neal like? You'd be like, like Patrice O'Neal, like exactly the guy you saw. He was that, a lot more of that.

• 2:33:16Speaker 03

  Shane Gillis is exactly like that. It's just always the case. But it was really interesting, at least, I don't know, it was just so entertaining for me after this last election. When it was almost like they finally had to admit the power that you have. You know, cause like for all those years and we would always make fun of it over the years. But like Brian Stelter would be on CNN and he'd be like, the fringe Joe Rogan is over here. He's very controversial. And you'd be like, controversial? It's like, he's got 15 million people listening to his show and you're struggling to break 200,000. How do you get to say he's fringe? You know, like, but it's almost like they had to admit after this last election, they're like, oh. And then the way they start going, oh, we need our own Joe Rogan or we need our own this. And it's just, I don't know. It's very interesting where it's like, man, talk about like, you guys just don't get it.

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, my favorite one was there was a guy on CNN saying that there's a well-funded network of right-wing influencers that are organized.

• 2:34:13Joe Rogan?

  And they were trying to make this argument.

• 2:34:15Speaker 03

  And who are the people, like Theo and you?

• 2:34:17Joe Rogan?

  Jen Psaki was trying to make this argument with Jon Stewart.

• 2:34:20Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, and Stewart called her out and he was like, yeah, no, that's not right.

• 2:34:24Joe Rogan?

  No, it's, she, she was like, well, it's a right wing movement. She's like, it's more of a comedian libertarian movement.

• 2:34:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:32Speaker 03

  Which is, I think, is more like, you know, I mean, I, I think, I mean, I think generally speaking, like, you know, as you've always said, you're kind of a mix of like, some kind of more sympathetic to left wing ideas, some more sympathetic to right wing ideas, some sympathetic to libertarian ideas. But it's just so, especially like, if you just know the people involved, like, to describe you and Theo Von as a right wing network.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Organized.

• 2:34:54Speaker 03

  There's, it's the most disorganized thing in the history of the world.

• 2:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Organized and well-funded. I'm not organized and, uh, I guess I'm well-funded, but it's not for that.

• 2:35:03Speaker 03

  No, but it's from having the audience.

• 2:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also, it's like, no one tells me anything. Like, I can have on UFO people, I can have on comedians. No, there's no feedback. I have no feedback. There's no exchange between me and Spotify in terms of who you got this week. What's the month look like? Tell us the big names. We, they started at the beginning of the deal. They said, okay, who's gonna be the people the first week? And my manager's like, hey, hey, hey, it's the same show. You bought the number one show in the country. He's not doing anything different. And they're like, well, we would like to get some big names out of the gate, like.

• 2:35:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, that's just not, that's not what we do here, you know?

• 2:35:45Joe Rogan?

  I'm not gonna change. It's the same show.

• 2:35:48Speaker 03

  But the thing, it's such a funny thing, cause it is almost like, it's like, uh, you know, it's like somebody in a marriage, you know, like the corporate media, I'd say, they're like in a marriage and they're just lying through their teeth to their spouse. They're constantly cheating on them. They're getting caught left and right. Then they're saying, no, no, no, it wasn't that. It was you and you're the bad person and all this. And they're just like the worst, most dishonest, fucking obvious liars. And then they're like looking over at like someone in a healthy marriage and they're like, so what's that guy's trick? Like, how does he do it? And you're like, it's like, he just doesn't lie to her. He's, he's nice to her and like, I don't know. Like, it's just like, the, the thing is, the big secret is that you're authentic and just say what you mean and invite the people on who you're interested in talking to.

• 2:36:30Speaker 03

  And that, that was like the antidote to your insane tyrannical bullshit.

• 2:36:35Joe Rogan?

  It's also that I started it not for money. I started it for fun and it didn't make money for years. And I was independently wealthy. Like, I had money from Fear Factor.

• 2:36:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  And I had money from stand-up comedy. I was like, I didn't have like a crazy lifestyle. I was like, I can just, I'm fine. Like, this is fun to do. I'm just gonna do this. And then it just got big.

• 2:36:54Speaker 03

  And it was so new.

• 2:36:55Joe Rogan?

  And I never changed it. I just kept doing it this, I made it better, got better cameras.

• 2:37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was it. No, it's funny. Sometimes you'll look back at those old, uh, episodes and you're like, holy shit, that's grainy. I don't remember it being that grainy, but it was compared to this.

• 2:37:09Joe Rogan?

  Cameras were terrible back then. And we, we just used regular webcams that you go to Fry's Electronics and buy. We just like regular fucking USB microphone in the beginning, plug it into a MacBook. The whole thing was so janky. It was like, and now, you know, they think somehow or another because it's big, well, some, it's been infiltrated. It's not that I haven't been offered. People have tried to buy percentages of the show and give me large sums of money. And I'm like, eh.

• 2:37:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's tough. I'm glad you didn't make that decision.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Once you have fuck you money, you better say fuck you. Cause if you don't, you're not, you, you're ruining the, one of the most beautiful gifts the universe can bestow upon a person. To never be beholden to money anymore. To just be able to like, be yourself, to do what you like to do.

• 2:37:56Speaker 03

  I, uh, Tucker Carlson said about me once, and I thought it was like one of the best compliments I've ever gotten. And it really meant a lot to Tucker, who's someone I really admire a lot. But he was, it was, uh, I think Patrick Bet David, if I'm remembering correctly, he was on his, and it was before, like, the, the debate with Cuomo had been announced, but it was before it happened.

• 2:38:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:14Speaker 03

  And, uh, Patrick was like, uh, it's like, how do you think that's, uh, gonna go? And Tucker was like, look, man. He's like, the thing about Dave is he is just totally unencumbered. Humored by any restraints. You know, like, there's no, I, I mean, I think what he meant was just like, there's no one who's like, cutting his check, there's no one who's like, there's nothing that holds him back, like, I get to do the biggest show in the world a lot, because you like what I have to say. And so then, that's it. It's not like, there's no, I, I feel no like, man, I wish I could say this, but I really can't say that. And there's something about that, that is like, that's the new thing. And I'll say, I think you, and look, this is what's really crazy, right? Like, the impact of what you did during this election, going forward,

• 2:38:58Speaker 03

  is gonna be, and I know you don't like when I, like, suck your dick too much, but I'm just saying, uh, there's,

• 2:39:06Speaker 03

  the fact that Trump did the show, got such a great response from it. Kamala Harris refused, and then tried to get you to change what the show was, and then, obviously, in hindsight, like, oh, you know, the conventional wisdom is you really should have done that. The new normal now, going forward, for presidential elections, is gonna be that the expectation is that you can, and not just your show, I'm not saying like, you're, you have to have the candidates on every single four years, although I think you should, but that's your choice, obviously. But the new expectation, the expectation used to be, that two or three times, a presidential candidate is gonna have to go do one of these CNN debates, where they will be asked these, like, very narrow questions,

• 2:39:48Speaker 03

  they'll have 90 seconds to respond, you know, it'll be Obama, you know, how do you feel we do this in the war on terrorism, be like, well, first of all, thank you, and thank you for coming out, and we appreciate this. That's pretty good. Fluff and bullshit and blah, blah, blah, and then, and hope and change. Glass of water? Just saying, yeah, exactly, like, but nothing, just emptiness, nothing happens. And now, the expectation is that you gotta go have an organic, unscripted, three-hour conversation, and probably do it a few different times, with a few of the big shows. Right. And you get, you know, like, you get to kinda see that person in a whole different way than we've ever gotten to see presidential candidates before. And the truth is that, a candidate like Kamala Harris will never be a major party nominee, again. A candidate who is on, uh, this, uh, what was her running mate's, uh, Walts?

• 2:40:33Speaker 03

  Tim Walts. Tim Walts, these guys. Guys are not, because they are not built for that. The future is gonna be guys like J.D. Vance, guys like Vivek Ramaswamy, guys like Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard. And by the way, maybe the Democrats will find somebody in there, you know? You wouldn't have predicted Donald Trump in 2012.

• 2:40:50Joe Rogan?

  Gavin Newsom is trying to do that.

• 2:40:51Speaker 03

  I don't think it's gonna be him.

• 2:40:53Joe Rogan?

  He wants it to be him so bad.

• 2:40:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's the problem.

• 2:40:55Joe Rogan?

  That's why he's doing his podcast, and he's doing a podcast where, "I'm inviting everybody on."

• 2:40:59Speaker 03

  Well, he's at least right for doing that.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  "Everybody, come on in, whoever you are, I'm inviting them all."

• 2:41:06Speaker 03

  Hey Gavin, invite me on, we'll have a nice, we'll have a nice chat.

• 2:41:09Joe Rogan?

  He probably would.

• 2:41:10Speaker 03

  I'll do it.

• 2:41:10Joe Rogan?

  He had Steve Bannon on.

• 2:41:11Speaker 03

  Gavin, uh, Mr. Newsom, Governor Newsom, I would, uh, I would love, I would be honored to be on your show. We can have a nice civil conversation about the issues.

• 2:41:20Joe Rogan?

  He'll probably have you on right now, he'll probably hear that and reach out to you.

• 2:41:23Speaker 03

  Look, I will give him credit for this, he is at least smart enough that like, that is the move. Is to go do a podcast and start interacting and try to figure out. I think the issue that Gavin Newsom has is he is, he is a very talented, old-school politician. And I think that, that, um, archetype has been rejected.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:42Speaker 03

  And that's gonna be very tough, I think that going forward, like, you know, you saw, um, I don't know if you saw recently, it was a few weeks ago, Bernie Sanders and AOC had like, a few big rallies, and they're drawing like, you know, tens of thousands of people to these rallies. Now, I don't think either of them are gonna be the nominee.

• 2:41:58Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they're really drawing those people, I think they're paying those people.

• 2:42:00Speaker 03

  That also is probably true.

• 2:42:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, they got the cellphone data from those things.

• 2:42:04Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, no, I know, and it's, though, I, I've seen that, and they are probably pretty artificial. But still, there is no way, like, no one's reading Chuck Schumer's new book. No one cares about Nancy Pelosi. Like, the establishment wing is not gonna be what the future is, it's gonna have to be some populist, you know?

• 2:42:22Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be Jasmine Crockett.

• 2:42:25Speaker 03

  I'm not sure she's the one.

• 2:42:26Joe Rogan?

  Marjorie Taylor Greene and Jasmine Crockett in a cage fight.

• 2:42:29Speaker 03

  Let's go, dude, that's your, uh, that's your old bit from, uh, Talking Monkeys in Space. You're just like, "We could go dumber."

• 2:42:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:38Speaker 03

  So this is the level now.

• 2:42:40Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking idiocracy.

• 2:42:42Speaker 03

  Maybe you really predicted the future.

• 2:42:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I definitely did, that was about George Bush getting us into Iraq, he got, we won, he won again? How did he win again? And then someone in the back of the room going... I think we can go dumber.

• 2:42:52Speaker 03

  And he's right.

• 2:42:53Joe Rogan?

  He was 100% right with Tim Walz. I mean, that guy was almost the Vice President of the United States. You, I'm sure you've seen that thing where it shows Obama saying, I need a Vice President that's dumber than me.

• 2:43:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:43:07Joe Rogan?

  And then it's Biden and Biden saying, I need a Vice President dumber than me. And it's Kamala, Kamala saying, I need a Vice President dumber than me, and it's Walz.

• 2:43:14Speaker 03

  This is right.

• 2:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Men have tampons.

• 2:43:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta lose because we gotta break this cycle. We're getting way too dumb. You need to regroup.

• 2:43:21Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't just that we were getting dumb. We were getting scary close to people justifying totalitarian measures. You know what? Tim Walz in the campaign trail was literally saying, free speech doesn't include hate speech and misinformation. Hey, man, fuck you.

• 2:43:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:43:37Joe Rogan?

  How about fuck you? Because everything that we called misinformation just a few years ago is now being fucking, it's on the front page of the New York Times now that we were lied to. I mean, the New York Times just printed a thing, it turns out we were lied to. Yeah, you lied to us. You were a part of it. You, you spit out all of their propaganda without doing what you're actually supposed to do, which is be a journalist.

• 2:44:02Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:44:03Joe Rogan?

  The only way you can be a journalist today is if you're independent. A real journalist, you have to be a Glenn Greenwald. You have to be a Schellenberger. You have to be a Matt Taibbi. You have to be someone who's independent. That's the only way you could do real journalism today. There's just too many fucking guardrails.

• 2:44:16Speaker 03

  Glenn Greenwald, who is debatably the greatest journalist of the 21st century, and maybe I'd give it to Julian Assange, but he's, he's up there. He had to leave the publication that he was a founder of. You know, The Intercept.

• 2:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:33Speaker 03

  Right? He had to leave them because they were going the route of propaganda and not letting him tell the truth about Joe Biden. And, and it's, it's a testament to Glenn Greenwald that he was just like, okay, cool, bye. And I'll go be just as big without you guys. And that's, that's another thing that's really interesting about like this, which is very recent though, right? That there was a time like where like cancel culture was so effective. I remember thinking this was something that really kind of scared me like a few years ago because it was like. You know, you'd have these people, like, some of the people who kinda started getting, like, big, like, before me, I mean, I was, I was doing what I do, but it, I had a slower, like, progression.

• 2:45:15Speaker 03

  But like, some of these people who shot up to the top, you know, Milo, or like, people like that, got totally removed from the conversation. Like, it was like, they were just taken out.

• 2:45:22Joe Rogan?

  He's the best example.

• 2:45:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, this guy was gonna be the guy.

• 2:45:25Joe Rogan?

  He was on Bill Maher's show.

• 2:45:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and did great on Bill Maher's show.

• 2:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Bill Maher compared him to Hitchens.

• 2:45:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I remember.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:32Speaker 03

  Like, a gay Christopher Hitchens or something like that.

• 2:45:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 2:45:35Speaker 03

  And, and, and now, it just seems all over the place, there's lots of examples of it, where it's like, they tried, uh, I mean, they've tried, I mean, they, they, you went through, I think, the biggest cancellation attempt, where they were just like, you could see, it was like, I remember, in those few weeks, where it was like, a decision had been made, we're going after Joe Rogan. And they just emptied every bullet they had, and it all just bounced off you. And then you see this with, uh, like, a lot of other people, like, you know, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate, you know, however you feel about these guys, I'm not even making a comment on...

• 2:46:09Joe Rogan?

  You just made them bigger.

• 2:46:10Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm just saying that them getting kicked off every platform has not worked at all.

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work anymore.

• 2:46:17Speaker 03

  And that's great, and, and Daryl's another example of that, too, where they tried to go after him, and it just was like, not happening, just made him bigger.

• 2:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fascinating, so they're gonna have to adjust or go away, adjust or perish. And I, I assume they're gonna perish, I don't see them adjusting. The only thing that could change is the people that own them, like Jeff Bezos has kinda put the clamps down on the Washington Post, and said, "Look, I, I don't want any of these fucking crazy, left-wing opinion pieces anymore, I want you to report about lifestyle, health, news, objective news. Like, let's become a fucking newspaper again." Which is what is, that's the only way you have value with everybody. Otherwise, you're alienating literally 50% of the country, and the 50% that buy it, they have to be retarded, because you've been lying so openly about so many different things.

• 2:47:07Joe Rogan?

  Everything has to be gone through a filter.

• 2:47:08Speaker 03

  And it's so, yeah, and, and so, like, it's not even just that they're lying, but that they're lying in such a... Brazen, such a 180 degree from reality, you know, like the, the way they've tried to make this threat of Doge, you know, like where they're just kind of like, you know, what right does he have to go through all these bureaucratic's email, bureaucrats emails? And what, and you, when you zoom out, it reminds me a lot, there's this weird parallel between like what Bobby Kennedy was able to insert with the Maha movement, where you had this thing where we had like what they'd call a national health crisis, you know, a pandemic, like the, all of our focus has to be on this health issue. And then Bobby Kennedy just

• 2:47:50Speaker 03

  kind of came along and was like, uh, can I point out that like there's a real health crisis that we have?

• 2:47:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:56Speaker 03

  That's not the one you're talking about at all. Like you're claiming to care about health so much. And it's like, okay, look at autism and, and diabetes and obesity and where the, like, we lead the world in chronic illness.

• 2:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Heart disease.

• 2:48:07Speaker 03

  Heart disease, like all these things, like that's kind of, and then it was just the, the Doge thing, it was like, okay, so we have the, the US federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world. We spend more than any other government in the history of the world has ever spent. We are so far in debt now that the interest on the debt is now, I believe last year it was 1.2 trillion dollars and it's going up.

• 2:48:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:32Speaker 03

  And the interest on the debt is now overtaking the entire budget. Like I remember when trillion dollar deficits were crazy. You got, if we balanced our budget tomorrow, we still run a trillion dollar deficit every year just because we owe it on the interest on the debt. This is so obviously a crisis. And then they're trying to convince you that the real crisis is that Elon Musk and a few of his genius nerd buddies want to open the books? Like, how the fuck can you convince anyone of that?

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, the Democrats are really good at having a narrative and then marching with it.

• 2:49:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:10Joe Rogan?

  They're really good at it. And that's what you see with all these tweets that are all from the same kind of verbiage, they use in the same sentences. And you see them all throughout. Whenever it comes to certain issues, they're really good at like getting, staying united and getting out. This one message.

• 2:49:26Speaker 03

  Yep, which does, which does work to kind of shockingly well. But again, it is like you can watch it like it's like this thing that's getting diminishing returns and diminishing returns. And it's like, oh, it's not the same old thing isn't working anymore.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  We're also in this big Manhattan Project style race to create sentient AI. And that's another issue that's going to completely transform society. If you think the internet and podcasts transform society, just wait till you have super intelligent, godlike computers that are telling us what we should do.

• 2:49:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, and there's, um, you know, look, there's some pretty spooky implications of all of that. I mean, I, you know, I've read a decent amount about the way like, uh, the IDF was using artificial intelligence to like track, you know, like, uh, like suspects and stuff like this. And you're like, oh, like the military using AI is kind of creepy. But then at the same time, you know, what, what might that do to like people's ability to keep secrets and keep corruption going? And, you know, it's kind of like, who gets in charge of that?

• 2:50:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:32Speaker 03

  Is going to be a, that's going to be like the fate of mankind.

• 2:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think they're prepping for that. That's where they're jailing politicians. Like, there's a lot of that going on right now where they're, they're in a hot panic because you're not going to be able to hide anything anymore. It's gonna, we, we have just a, it's gonna come in waves and it's gonna be, I mean, I'm just guessing what its impact is gonna be. But I think the world's unrecognizable in 20 years.

• 2:50:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think you're probably right, probably right about that. And it's a, you know, it's gonna be very, it's gonna be very interesting. I remember you said like a long time ago, I think it was like at the very beginning of the podcast. But you had said one thing where like, you were like, it's gonna be harder and harder to lie. Like that's just gonna be the future where it's just harder and harder to lie. And you're talking about just like, even how much right now, like, you know, you know, like I was, I was born in 1983. So I grew up in like the eighties and the nineties and like, you could lie back then.

• 2:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:51:27Speaker 03

  You could just tell lies.

• 2:51:28Joe Rogan?

  Make up stories.

• 2:51:29Speaker 03

  You make up whatever. I used to do this. I was the head of this. I worked at this company. Yeah, just say that.

• 2:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Have an air.

• 2:51:34Speaker 03

  It was just totally like, and you were just like, I don't know. I mean, he says it. There's no way to really check that. And now it's like, you just say like, oh, I used to do this. It's like, no, you didn't. You know what I mean? Like that? That's a crazy shift that, you know, it happens slow enough that you don't run. But the more that that goes on and on, and the more technology there is, and the more with the like singularity type shit, or the more like where it's gonna, it's gonna become increasingly more and more difficult to deceive people. At least, that would be my guess.

• 2:52:03Joe Rogan?

  There's gonna be an app in our lifetime that's a lie detector, and it's gonna be a hundred percent. It's gonna read your retinas. It's gonna look at your eyeballs, and you're, you're gonna use it just the same way you use FaceTime. And you're gonna have to talk to your boss through that thing, and it's gonna be able to tell you, what did you do? What did you actually do? Where's the money? Why is money missing?

• 2:52:23Speaker 03

  Imagine that just like on politicians, though?

• 2:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy, it's gonna be great. Get that bitch on Nancy Pelosi.

• 2:52:30Speaker 03

  Cause I just happen to be really good at picking stocks.

• 2:52:33Joe Rogan?

  To that Dick Cheney's dead. Would you like to stick him in front of that thing?

• 2:52:36Speaker 03

  No, he's still alive.

• 2:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Isn't he?

• 2:52:38Speaker 03

  Is it Dick Cheney?

• 2:52:39Joe Rogan?

  I thought he died.

• 2:52:41Joe Rogan?

  Is Dick Cheney still alive?

• 2:52:42Speaker 03

  Dick Cheney is alive.

• 2:52:43Joe Rogan?

  Is he?

• 2:52:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, somebody, I think somebody else. I'm trying to think of who you, who is the guy who died?

• 2:52:48Joe Rogan?

  One of the big ones died.

• 2:52:49Speaker 03

  Uh huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, someone real evil did die, but that guy's.

• 2:52:52Joe Rogan?

  What's that? Wow, he's still alive with another dude's heart.

• 2:52:56Speaker 03

  Still alive with another dude's heart.

• 2:52:58Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it crazy? All these people died from COVID, and that fucking guy's just still kicking.

• 2:53:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, the thing, the thing about making the deal with the devil is, you know, you get, you get paid off.

• 2:53:07Joe Rogan?

  At one point in time, he had no pulse. He had some thing that was just circulating blood through his body, and he didn't have a pulse. That's gotta be in the Bible.

• 2:53:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, no, there's definitely something to it.

• 2:53:15Joe Rogan?

  A guy responsible for a million innocent people dying who doesn't have a pulse?

• 2:53:19Speaker 03

  It, and can you imagine, it's just crazy, like, and I don't know, like, I don't know how much he was acting on his own, or like, they were.

• 2:53:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, McCain's dead.

• 2:53:28Speaker 03

  John McCain is dead. He's been gone for a while.

• 2:53:31Joe Rogan?

  Why did I think that Cheney was dead?

• 2:53:32Speaker 03

  I feel like there's somebody else who I, but maybe not, but you know what's crazy?

• 2:53:37Joe Rogan?

  Did Rumsfeld just die?

• 2:53:39Speaker 03

  I'm not sure.

• 2:53:42Speaker 06

  There was a fake report earlier this year that Dick Cheney died.

• 2:53:44Speaker 03

  Oh, maybe that's it.

• 2:53:46Joe Rogan?

  They got me.

• 2:53:46Speaker 03

  Yes, they got you with a scam.

• 2:53:48Joe Rogan?

  They got me to fake it.

• 2:53:49Speaker 03

  But isn't it crazy that, which, you know, like, there's a million examples of this, um, but just like how tone deaf the Kamala Harris campaign was, that they, now, I don't know how much Dick Cheney, they, like, but Liz Cheney, they started bringing on the trail.

• 2:54:04Joe Rogan?

  Because Dick Cheney endorsed her.

• 2:54:05Speaker 03

  He came out to endorse it and say that Donald Trump is the most dangerous threat to America, and then she started campaigning with Liz Cheney. Like, as if, I, I mean, it's just, forget even, like, the fact that, obviously, like, I'm the anti-war guy, and I think all these people are blood-soaked monsters who should burn in hell for eternity. But leave all that aside, just the politics of it. Liz Cheney lost her congressional race by, like, 50 points. What market is that? Like, what margin on the edges did they think, like, I know, I know what'll move this, okay, we're down, but we're not out. Bring in the Cheneys, and then we're gonna tell them about how much we love fucking the war in Iraq, or something like that. And it was, I think it was just a signal to, like, military contractors to be like, hey, we're cool, you know, like, send us some more money.

• 2:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Internally, apparently, they already knew they were losing.

• 2:54:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, they said, the, um, from-

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Which makes the spending even weirder.

• 2:54:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, evidently, the, um, the internal polling, there's a few really interesting questions about this, because, so, it's been reported that the internal polling of Biden, before he dropped out, was, uh, like, a crazy landslide, way, way more than what Trump ended up winning by, like, they had him winning, like, 500 electoral, I forget what it was, but it was like a crazy fucking blowout. And then, similarly, when Kamala Harris took over, like, they knew, but then there's also something interesting where it's like, hey, so, like,

• 2:55:27Speaker 03

  pollsters, could, could we ever get the real polls? How come, like, they can figure out the real polls?

• 2:55:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:55:32Speaker 03

  But then you, because there was something, like, there's only been a few elections in my life that I remember where, like, it was, um, it was just obvious who was, who was gonna win, like, Obama in 2008.

• 2:55:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:55:45Speaker 03

  It was obvious. You, you could not have convinced anyone, like, looks like John McCain's the frontrunner. No, it fucking doesn't. Not like this black Jesus is drawing eighty thousand people and then John McCain's over here. I think we can do, you know, it's like clearly this guy's losing and this guy's gonna win. But the polls reflected that it was like, oh yeah, Obama's up big in the polls. But this year, everything you could see, taste, touch, like it was just, oh, obviously Donald Trump. Everywhere Donald Trump went, he's getting like a king's greeting. He's like with all, all the culture is totally shifted in his direction.

• 2:56:17Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if they hadn't astroturfed those conventions for Kamala Harris. Imagine if they hadn't paid people to show up, how many people would be there? They'd have an arena.

• 2:56:26Speaker 03

  They, it, look, it would have been, imagine like, right, it wasn't people coming to see Beyonce and they just had to come see Kamala Harris and all, you know? It's, it was a, thi- this campaign was the, the Kamala Harris, and this is part of the reason why, even though I am, uh, really upset with Donald Trump, and I'm upset with a lot of the cabinet people too. I mean, I, look, Bobby, I will say, does seem to at least be doing some real structural, like he's, he's talking about really, you know, changing some things at the health department. I, I think maybe he could take a break from tweeting about the virus of antisemitism. Um, but whatever, uh, Tulsi, I'm really upset with over, you know, her like cheering on these, these strikes.

• 2:57:06Speaker 03

  I, you know, I thought she was supposed to be the one who was gonna stand up in that Signal group and say something and not just leave it to JD.

• 2:57:15Speaker 03

  And I think Donald Trump's messing up in a lot of ways. But I really, at least at this point, like if he invades Iran and we have another war there, then I, I will apologize for voting for him. Then I think I made a mistake and I shouldn't have done that. But short of that, I do think it was the right thing to do and part of it was like that that had to be exposed. Cause this Kamala Harris ticket, it was the most astroturfed ticket ever. You know, like it's one thing, look, Obama had a lot of institutional support. It, it wasn't as organic as they made it out to be, you know, like.

• 2:57:44Joe Rogan?

  But there was a lot of real.

• 2:57:45Speaker 03

  But he had real support, like he did have real grassroots support. She was just, she never won a, she didn't win a primary, she didn't win a delegate when she ran for president. She didn't even make it to Iowa. It was all fake, it was all phony and it was like that had to be exposed.

• 2:58:01Joe Rogan?

  It's dangerous. That's dangerous, cause if they can get that through with her, even if you like her and you think she would have done a great job. It's scary that you were given that kind of power. And the same people that were auto penning all those Biden executive orders would have been in charge for another four years, if not forever.

• 2:58:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. And the, and, and look, even. You know, you could say whatever that Joe Biden just feared that Donald Trump would abuse the Justice Department, which is, you know, a little ironic to accuse him of the thing you're actually guilty of doing. But to go out and to pardon your family, and forget the family even, because that's a little less relevant, but to pardon Fauci?

• 2:58:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:37Speaker 03

  And go back to 2014?

• 2:58:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:40Speaker 03

  Why'd you pick that year?

• 2:58:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:42Speaker 03

  You know, Joe, I mean, obviously, Joe Biden didn't pick anything, but what, who's the person who picked that we gotta go back and give this guy blanket immunity going all the way back? Like, come on, dude.

• 2:58:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:53Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 2:58:54Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:58:54Speaker 03

  That's, I mean, it's too much.

• 2:58:56Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. And who, who really signed that? That's the other thing. The thing about using AutoPen for writing all those pardons, does that count? Is there a legal battle about that?

• 2:59:07Speaker 03

  Well, also-

• 2:59:07Joe Rogan?

  Because if you can't remember, if Mike Johnson testifies that he brought up the, the natural gas deal, and he's like, why did you?

• 2:59:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:59:15Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you go in? And he's like, I didn't.

• 2:59:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:59:16Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, no, you did. And then he asks to be alone with Mike Johnson. So he always has handlers with him. And then when he's alone with them, then Biden tells him, I didn't sign that.

• 2:59:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:59:27Joe Rogan?

  And then you realize it's the same signature.

• 2:59:29Speaker 03

  Well, when you're the level of senile that Joe Biden was, it, it's, like, it leads to the question, we're like, so how easy was it for everybody to manipulate you?

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  Also-

• 2:59:41Speaker 03

  Because you could just tell him he did or didn't do something, and he may not, you know, like he-

• 2:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, he doesn't remember.

• 2:59:46Speaker 03

  Well, like, we don't know, you know, like, I'm, there was this one thing, look, like, one of the things on October 7th, and I try, I try almost to avoid this topic sometimes because I don't want it to come off like I'm downplaying the horrors of, of October 7th. Like Hamas invaded Israel, they did some really fucked up shit, they indiscriminately killed a bunch of civilians, and they had grenades and rifles, and they did, it was horrible. They took a bunch of hostages, and it's, you know-

• 3:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Everyone knows.

• 3:00:12Speaker 03

  Really, however, there were some claims that were made that turned out not to be true, the 40 beheaded babies, and some of the, like, claims of mass rapes and stuff like that just turned out not to be true. They were said in the fog of this thing, that, whatever, I'll give the benefit of the doubt of, like, you know, maybe it was, you know, I think they were kind of abused by some politicians in order to get you to turn your brain off and be very emotional and, and not pay attention to what this response is gonna be. But Joe Biden claimed that he had seen the videos.

• 3:00:40Speaker 03

  Of the beheaded babies. And then it turned out to just like that never happened. And then you're almost wondering, you're like, was he lying? Does he not remember? Did someone just tell him that you've seen that? And that, cause he's a senile man, you know?

• 3:00:53Joe Rogan?

  He's also a liar, like his whole life.

• 3:00:54Speaker 03

  Well, that's all, that's right. It's, so it, it's like impossible to know. Cause he's also been a liar his whole life. He's also the guy who's like, I was first in my class, graduated with multiple degrees and blah, blah, blah. And you're like, none of this is even kind of true. None of it's even kind of true.

• 3:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's just wild that you could be too old and senile to stand trial for having classified documents, but yet you're fine giving out pardons.

• 3:01:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:01:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, how do you let a person with a mental disease give out pardons? That seems like that's the guy to manipulate. And if it turns out that guy gives out more pardons than anyone ever upon leaving office.

• 3:01:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:01:32Joe Rogan?

  How's that? That seems like, that seems like those shouldn't be legit.

• 3:01:36Speaker 03

  Well, look, on, on its own, of course not, but on its own, uh, that, and, and there were things that come above that to me, like COVID and the war in Ukraine and, you know, a whole bunch of other shit. But that alone is like Kamala Harris and the corporate media and the, they had to lose. You can't do that. You can't Emperor's New clothes the entire American public. And like, fuck it, just lie through your teeth pretending this guy's not a vegetable.

• 3:01:58Joe Rogan?

  Wild times, Dave Smith. We gotta wrap this up.

• 3:02:01Speaker 03

  All right.

• 3:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Get this bitch home. Thank you, sir. Love you to death. You're awesome. Appreciate you very much. Uh, tell everybody how they watch your show.

• 3:02:08Speaker 03

  Oh, uh, part of the problem is my podcast where I talk about all this political news stuff. And then Legion of Skanks is where I'm a degenerate, uh, with my comedian friends. Uh, check both of those out. Um, Skank Fest is in New Orleans this year. If anyone wants to come, that's gonna be a lot of fun. I believe it's September.

• 3:02:24Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 3:02:24Speaker 03

  Of, uh, this year. And then, uh, you know, ComicDaveSmith.com if you wanna come see me on the road.

• 3:02:28Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful. All right. Bye, everybody.