#2249 - Yannis Pappas & Chris Distefano

Yannis Pappas is a standup-comic and host of the "Yannis Pappas Hour" podcast. Chris DiStefano is a stand-up comic and the host of "Chrissy Chaos" and "Christories." Together, they are the hosts of the "History Hyenas" podcast. www.yannispappascomedy.com www.chrisdcomedy.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  I want to see you vomit.

• 0:13Speaker 02

  Are we up?

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  This is Chris Tef, this Tef knows very first time ever.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  Lighting and smoking a cigar.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  How old are you? Forty.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  How have you managed to get this far with no cigars?

• 0:23Speaker 02

  I don't know how to do any like really guy shit like that. Like I don't know how to play pool, cigars. I don't really know how to do that, but I do know every state capital.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Is this the right way?

• 0:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  He's gonna vomit. I want to see him vomit on this show.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he's gonna vomit. Don't inhale it all. You gotta get the fire.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  First you gotta learn, yeah.

• 0:38Joe Rogan?

  Lower, lower your hand. Yeah. Are you doing this on purpose?

• 0:42Speaker 02

  I swear on my kids, I've never done this.

• 0:44Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I mean the way you're being retarded. Like get the fire on the...

• 0:50Joe Rogan?

  Get it on there. Get it on there. Get it in there. There you go.

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  Alright, you're good. Just start pulling.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  No suck.

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  No, you're not good. How did you fuck that up?

• 0:59Speaker 02

  What am I say, what am I supposed to do? Smoke it?

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  You gotta inhale while you're lighting it.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, what you wanna do, what you wanna do is inhale all the smoke in.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. You just kinda keep, take a deep...

• 1:11Speaker 01

  I'm having fun with him.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Breathe in while you're doing that. I fell into the thing! Jesus Christ. I don't know, how do you get to be forty and never have a cigar?

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Well, now he's a man. Now you're a man.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  So what do I do now?

• 1:25Speaker 01

  You puff on it?

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  It's not even lit. How did you fuck that up?

• 1:29Speaker 02

  I just tried to light it for five minutes.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  You gotta puff on it?

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  You gotta do this, and you don't, you just, mm, you don't inhale, you just take it into your mouth.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. You enjoy the taste of it.

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  There you go. Take some little puffs.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  This is not gonna work out well. Couple puffs.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  He's gonna light the whole thing. Now you're good.

• 1:48Joe Rogan?

  Puff, puff, keep puffing, keep it lit. You wanna keep it lit? There we go. Yannis knows. Yannis, when's the first time you smoked a cigar?

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  When I was six years old.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  Like a regular person.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a regular person. With my uncle.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  You know what it is?

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  How did you get to be forty? No cigars?

• 2:04Speaker 02

  I think because my dad never really smoked.

• 2:09Joe Rogan?

  Don't cry. Don't start crying.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  No, it's in the back of my throat. My dad, um, never really smoked and I never really did any like man kinda stuff like this. Um, and I was with my mom mostly, and she was more, you know...

• 2:22Joe Rogan?

  Even the way you said that.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  It's true. I know. Well, it's just I got cigar in the back of my throat.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  But I don't know what to do. I also, I'm just thinking about how my clothes are gonna smell like cigar smoke.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it really does.

• 2:33Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna mess with your head?

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it messes with my head, cuz I'm like, I don't wanna get cigar smoke on my clothes.

• 2:38Joe Rogan?

  Do you use cologne?

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yes. Shout out Eve Saint Laurent.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  I'm body odor.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Do you not use cologne?

• 2:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Never?

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  No, never. Maybe when I was like eighteen.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  You just go with your natural musk?

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, I wear deodorant.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:54Joe Rogan?

  I work Dr. Squatch.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Shout out Dr. Squatch.

• 2:56Joe Rogan?

  Shout out Dr. Squatch. Natural. It's not, doesn't have aluminum in it.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:00Joe Rogan?

  But I wonder if it works as good.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Well, there's more.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  I think there's something to the aluminum. Why would they put it in there if it wasn't effective?

• 3:05Speaker 01

  No, I tried the deodorant without the aluminum and I...

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  Dr. Squatch is good. You can take a sniff of these pits.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Can I take a peek?

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Can I smell it?

• 3:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you smell. Come see a sniff.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Take a smell. Here, you want me to go on the other side?

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  Come take a sniff.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  They smell good.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's right. Get in there.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, they smell good.

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  Not bad. Not bad, right?

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's uh...

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  Dr. Squatch is legit. I forget which flavor it is. It's like fucking whiskey, bourbon, musk, some shit.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  There's pheromones in natural scents.

• 3:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a lie.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  You don't think so?

• 3:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, there's pheromones, but natural people smell disgusting. People that don't wear any deodorant, they always smell funky.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Stinky.

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  They have like, you know, your pits are, think about how it works, right? It's just getting squashed all the time. Your pits are just constantly getting squashed. And there's hair in there, unless you're a weirdo.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:51Joe Rogan?

  So there's hair, and the hair is collecting all the sweat, and it's just getting funky.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  That's what made eating pussy so hard before, like, the 2000s.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Before porn.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Before porn. But porn used to be muffed out.

• 4:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:03Joe Rogan?

  But somewhere along the line, it wasn't. And then society followed.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Yes. And it changed eating pussy. I mean, it's so much more enjoyable without any fumes. Cuz the fumes get caught in the hair.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  Fumare.

• 4:15Joe Rogan?

  Ah, stuff goes on down there.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  Plus, it's six inches from the asshole.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:20Joe Rogan?

  Not even.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:22Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Napoleon's letters to Josephine, he wanted her to have a full bush, and he wanted her not to bathe for a week. When he was coming home for more, he said, "I need it, I need it, fucking mungy." So some guys like that.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Mungy.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  I don't know, it's a new word.

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  He was involved in trench warfare. That guy had a different tolerance for shit.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:41Joe Rogan?

  You know, you just imagine the kind of warfare that Napoleon's crew were, I mean, they had muskets.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  And they were also probably much more tolerant of bad smells because history smelled. Can you imagine that people bathed once a week and even athlete's foot, everybody probably had athlete's foot.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  Stinky.

• 4:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everyone, everyone.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  They didn't have bidets yet.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  So your asshole was just like.

• 5:02Joe Rogan?

  They didn't have running water, bro.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, they have nothing.

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  They had buckets.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  The only people who were clean, the only people who were clean in antiquity, Muslim people. They were the, they were the clean ones. When you read about the Crusades, they said the Muslims were able to smell the Christian army coming from miles away. Because of how filthy they were. Where Muslims were all about science and cleansiness and, you know, Doctor Squash before it was big.

• 5:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, before the, the Mongols sacked Iraq, like they were, like that was the pinnacle of civilization. They turned the river, was it the river Tigris? They turned it red with blood. Like that's how many people they killed. They, they killed the entire town of Baghdad. Like they killed everybody there. And those people were at the pinnacle of science.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:47Joe Rogan?

  And then look, you go all the way to the 1990s and you got fucking Saddam Hussein and his psychopathic kids running shit and killing people and.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  That was what was left over.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, same gene line.

• 5:58Joe Rogan?

  It's really nuts when you think about.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  You think that gets into the genes like the killer kind of psychopathic, yeah.

• 6:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 100%. Yeah.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  I think good things and bad things get in your genes. I think that's been substantiated by science. They said, you know, that even racism can, can be passed on from parent to child.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  I believe it. Traumatic memories.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  I believe it. My, yeah, but I, I feel like only now as I'm getting older, am I like, oh, I have some of my mom's memories in my head, I feel like.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  Think about it, like, think about, let's look, let's think of simpler animals, like animals, like dogs, like Carl. Why, how the fuck does a dog know to pee on a tree? How does a dog know to go to where pee is and pee on it? How do they know any of those things?

• 6:42Speaker 01

  They're born with it.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Programmed in.

• 6:43Joe Rogan?

  There's some memory. How do they know when they see another dog or an animal to bark?

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  Why are they scared of it? Like what, why are people scared of snakes? Why are people scared of spiders?

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Puerto Ricans are not scared of snakes.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're probably living in Puerto Rico.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  No, I'm saying they take them as household pets.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  My friend Sergio's got eight of them.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Eight snakes.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:02Joe Rogan?

  Sergio might be a problem.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, Sergio is a problem. He's gonna hurt somebody, yeah.

• 7:05Joe Rogan?

  Pets that are snakes.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Sergio used to beat up drug dealers when he was 15 with his fists. Like that was, he would get the drug, other drug dealers would pay this 15 year old kid to go beat up other drug dealers with his fists on the Lower East Side and get money.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  But he's a great guy and a spiritual guy and he's the only guy I know that would beat up a drug dealer and then journal about it later because he's in the speech.

• 7:22Joe Rogan?

  How do you know about this guy?

• 7:23Speaker 02

  He's our friend.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  He's our friend.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  He's a friend.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  He comes to the room.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  He's a comic.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Sergio Chacon, he's a comedian.

• 7:27Joe Rogan?

  He's a comic?

• 7:27Speaker 02

  He's a comic and a boxing instructor.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no kidding?

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, he trains us both. We're fucking ready.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  Wow, you look thinner, dude. You really do, you look healthy.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  He does, he looks good.

• 7:37Joe Rogan?

  You been boxing?

• 7:38Speaker 01

  I've been boxing, yeah.

• 7:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let me see his moves.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  You wanna see it for real? I'll show you form.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  I got video of it.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  I'll show you form, dude.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  He's got a nice, he's got a nice.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  You made a video today.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  I got a video today, he's got a nice right hand, he's, he's not, you say you're slow, but you're not slow. But you got a nice, nice right hand.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have, he tells me I got, I got a little power in both hands.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  So I don't know.

• 7:59Joe Rogan?

  You're a little too confident for my liking.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  I know, I know, and that's how it goes. And then you just get fucking stretched out.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  Stretched out. You'll get laid out, cuz.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get stretched out.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  You have a, a smaller head than normal physically.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  So it is hard to catch.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Harder target.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're fucking target.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  I got a big dog.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  It looks like you got a helmet on your head.

• 8:15Joe Rogan?

  Listen, the reality is both of you are gonna get hit a lot.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 8:19Joe Rogan?

  And it's way better to have a big head.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent. Guys with bigger heads traditionally, for a fact, take a better shot.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:27Joe Rogan?

  There's those guys like Mark Hunt. Mark Hunt, one of the greatest kickboxers of all time.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:32Joe Rogan?

  Uh, K1 Grand Prix champion, fought in UFC, fought in Pride, is a legend. Head the size of this table.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Body, dad bod.

• 8:42Joe Rogan?

  Brock Lesnar, head the size of this table. Yeah, he had a, he was just Samoan.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:46Joe Rogan?

  Just a giant, thick dude. He was like 5'10", 250.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:51Joe Rogan?

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• 9:31Joe Rogan?

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• 10:15Joe Rogan?

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• 11:37Speaker 01

  Can you see just from looking at our faces how easy it would be to?

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  My chin's going out. I'm going out quick, right?

• 11:42Joe Rogan?

  You don't have good structure.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. I got a lady's face is what you're saying.

• 11:46Joe Rogan?

  No, you have a man's face, but there's certain faces that are easier to hurt.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Right. And his got a good jaw.

• 11:52Joe Rogan?

  But you know, there's, there's arguments against that. Like there's some guys have small jaws and somehow or another they take great punches. Like Max Holloway doesn't have like a big square jaw, takes a tremendous punch.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Right. I'm scared to sleep with the lights off, so I don't, I don't, I think if I got hit.

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  You look like you take a good shot, though.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  I, I.

• 12:08Joe Rogan?

  Like the structure's good.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. What I have, what my defense is, not against guys like you, if you don't know me, what my defense is, I look like I can take a punch.

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  You look like you could be a complete psychopath.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  And I don't know any.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  Like if I could teach you how to like really.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:21Joe Rogan?

  Find your inner psycho, you'd scare the fuck out of people.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  First you gotta teach me how to light a cigar. I don't even know how to do that.

• 12:26Joe Rogan?

  There's something dead behind your eyes that's very troubling if you were angry.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  If I was angry, yeah.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I see that.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  But the thing, the thing is for me, Joe, and I'm just completely honest with you, when I get really angry, like you'll punch a wall or you'll do man shit, I cry. I really, there's been many times where I've gotten so mad that I just start to tear up and cry. I've cried in front of Yannis before.

• 12:43Joe Rogan?

  When you get angry?

• 12:43Speaker 02

  When I get angry, I just start to cry. So there's some wires crossed somewhere in me, but we've kind of accepted, that's why I think our friendship has blossomed to the way it is, because we both understand that we just have a little bit more estrogen than most guys, and that's okay.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  We got nicked for sure. I mean.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  We got nicked by the gay gene.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Some people get fully clipped, I think we got nicked.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Joe didn't get it at all. Joe got not even close to being nicked. And which is rare for a comic, because it's very usually hard to be funny and not a little bit of a feminine guy. You're a very manly guy that can be funny. That's rarity, babe.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, most guys that if you like hang around boxing gyms, or if you hang around a lot of cops, or if you hang around soldiers, they're funny, man.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:19Joe Rogan?

  They're funny dudes, because it's gallows humor, because they're dealing with, like one of my funniest friends was a special forces guy.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:24Joe Rogan?

  He's fucking hilarious.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:26Joe Rogan?

  And he's always cracking like. Jokes you could never repeat, you know, saying things you could never repeat. And it's just so funny. It's like, he's funny. It's just funny in, you know, kind of a crazy way.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Right. We would, we always say that like if we were like back in history like 200 years ago, whatever, we'd be the guys in the war. We'd either be hitting the drums or we would just be keeping the troops loose, laughing, laughing with the troops because we're not the kind of guy. We think we have value as men to other warrior men like yourself, but we're not gonna do the fighting. But we will do the cooking, the cleaning and the laughing.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  And I will offer my nuts up to be a eunuch to watch the harem.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  It's also the experiences that you've had in your life that make you who you are right now. It's not as simple as like, like when I was a kid, I was terrified of everybody. That's why I learned martial arts. I was getting picked on. I was, I hated it. So I was like, alright, I gotta figure out, there's only one way. The, the only one way is to become formidable.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  To become the person that you're scared of.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  So I did that.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:24Joe Rogan?

  But it wasn't because like I was this like kid that was tough like all the time. Like when I was young, I was like, I understood how to like just be a fucking man. Like no, I had to learn all that.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Right. From, from great weakness comes great strength.

• 14:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, you recognize what it is, right? There, it's thought patterns. You're, you allow your brain to go down these very detrimental thought patterns. And you, you, you under, you have to like separate you, consciousness from these patterns that you allow your, your attention to go down. That's what it is.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:00Joe Rogan?

  And if you can shut those off, you'll, you'll have a happier life. You have to, you have to understand where they're going. And when they go in a negative detrimental anxiety spiral. Now, I'm not saying this will work for everybody because I do believe that some, I, some anxiety is chemical. I believe that some people have a bad balance. Um, I, cause I've known people like that. It's a real thing. And I can't, I can never say that the way I think is the way everybody thinks. There's no way. But I know for me, that with me, I know because of extreme experiences, I know how to shut those things off. So from fighting, from hunting, from doing stand up, from doing a lot of life. Five things where you're in front of like thousands of people.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  I know how to shut that part of you, the brain off that goes down those roads. I know what it is, you know, I've experienced it. I've had, I never had a panic attack, but I've had anxiety, you know, I freaked out before. And then I was like, why did I react like that? And then you look at it in retrospect, you go, okay, I started spiraling and then what if this happens? And then what if that happens? What if this happens? What if that happens? Ah! Okay, don't do that.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:03Joe Rogan?

  And then get to that spot and have enough mental clarity and enough sovereignty, control over the mind to not allow it to go down there.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  It's tough when you have a comedian's brain because that's what we do. We spend a lot of time in our heads analyzing things, analyzing things. Sometimes it can turn on you.

• 16:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  If it starts with what if, it's anxiety, push it out of the brain, folks.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  And anxiety's a liar.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  What if is no good. Anxiety's a liar.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  It's a liar.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Fucking liar.

• 16:29Joe Rogan?

  Anxiety is a liar, but that what if sometimes is good. Like, what if I do this?

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  What if I just relook at this? What if, like, not, what if is not bad. What if, if it's attached to, what if it all falls apart? What if everyone hates me? Like, every now and then I get a text from a friend that's like, hey, man, are we cool? Like, what are you talking about? Like, what are you talking about? Of course we're cool. Like, what, what happened?

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, I just, no, no, I haven't heard from you in a while. I'm like, are you okay?

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is, like, cool, let's talk on the phone.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:58Joe Rogan?

  These are weird conversations, you know?

• 16:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:00Joe Rogan?

  Some people just go down a road and they start thinking everybody hates them.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  That's narcissism, right? They just think everyone's obsessed with you.

• 17:06Joe Rogan?

  There's a little bit of that, right? Unfortunately, even victims, like, people that are psychologically damaged, you know, and they're depressed. Like, that is a type of narcissism, unfortunately. But you don't want to, like, further victimize someone who's got a mental illness by saying, oh, you're a narcissist. But if you're just only worried about how other people think of you, and only worried about how you fit into everything, yeah, that's, there's a narcissism in that.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  I know, and I text you, I just go, hey, there's a one in six chance. The guy's a busy guy.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  That's what it is.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  I never take it personally.

• 17:38Joe Rogan?

  I have to get a new number and I've been saying this for awhile. I have a couple of numbers that I gotta, I have to renew, I gotta just completely check out these.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  And I never call you first because I'm like, I don't know if I'm, if we got that type of friendship.

• 17:50Joe Rogan?

  You can totally call me.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  I can call you?

• 17:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's more friends.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  I hug you when I see you, right?

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  Then you can call me.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm calling you.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  There's been a couple of times I've sent you.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Coming over for Christmas.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Now, oh wow, you're gonna be seeing a lot of Yannis Pappas popping up.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's been a couple of times I've sent Joe voice notes.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  And then you listen back and I'm like, I'm not sending that. And then I, and then I just don't reach out.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  What'd you say? What's up, honey bubbles? What's up, baby gorgeous?

• 18:10Joe Rogan?

  You know who sends me the most voice notes? Alex Jones. Cause they disappear.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 18:14Joe Rogan?

  This is what they're planning. And then it fucking disappears.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  But you could keep them.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  That's perfect.

• 18:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you could keep them. But doesn't he know if you keep them?

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  I don't want him knowing that. I don't want him to. No, what I'll do, I'll record it with another phone.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  That's smart.

• 18:25Joe Rogan?

  I like, you know, film it.

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Smart dude.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  This is what the problem is.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  That's perfect. I mean, it's almost like.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  I've known him for about 25 fucking years.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  I mean, if you called me and did that, I'd be like Alex Jones.

• 18:35Joe Rogan?

  As soon as Trump gets in, they're gonna, the aliens will land.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  That's perfect.

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  They're turning the frogs gay.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Dude, I saw a video of Alex Jones and I'm late to the game of seeing this, but how he predicted 9/11 in June of 2001.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  He did.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  I was crazy to watch that.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  Tucker thinks he's a savant. He's, um, he's a very misunderstood guy.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  He really is. And it's really unfortunate, that Sandy Hook thing, because if it wasn't for that, he would be way more respected and people would appreciate him for what he is. He had a psychotic break, you know, and he had, he had a drinking problem at one time and maybe some other stuff. And he was losing his fucking mind because all day long, it's conspiracies that are real. And so when you start looking for conspiracies in places that aren't real, and then I think there's also another thing. I think there are certain people, now, I don't know who they work for, I don't know if they're independent, I don't know if they do it just for fun. Some people create fake compelling conspiracies and then put them online.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 19:38Joe Rogan?

  They do it.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  For content, yeah.

• 19:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, they do it.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  For views.

• 19:40Joe Rogan?

  That's true too, but I think there's a more nefarious aspect to it too.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  I think the more, the more conspiracies that you can make look really stupid, the more the real ones, uh, seem preposterous because they're connected. Right? Like, here's a great example. Um, nine eleven was inside job. That sounds fucking insane, right? That sounds completely insane that the government did that. But fifty-one former intelligence agents testified that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. That sounds crazy too.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:15Joe Rogan?

  But that's real, right? The pro- if you get enough of the ones that don't make sense, like the Jews control the weather, you get enough of the flat earth ones, you get enough. They're all, it's all like, it's like the term drugs, right? The term drugs applies to nicotine. It applies to the coffee we're drinking. That's what a drug is, but it also applies to fucking meth, right? Conspiracy theories are lumped in altogether, just like drugs. And the best way to do that is to put a bunch of bad ones out there, really bad ones. So that the ones that are plausible, you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Show me the Pfizer files?

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  Why, why are they hidden for seventy-five years? Like, what, what do you, how many, wait a minute, wait a minute, how many people did you test this on? Did you ever test for transmission? You never did. So when you were on TV and you're saying that, what was going on there? That's a real conspiracy.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:05Joe Rogan?

  These are real people conspired to hide information and to shape a narrative that would be very, very profitable.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  But nobody's gonna believe the Jews created the weather and then also. Every way, like, you know, it's only a small group of people who are gonna go, the Jews are controlling the weather.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  They're definitely cloud seeding in Dubai.

• 21:22Joe Rogan?

  There's, they're.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  They will crawl in your shoes, though. The Jews will crawl in your shoes.

• 21:25Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  So make sure you keep your shoes tight.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Tighten your laces.

• 21:28Joe Rogan?

  For sure, there's people that can discern between a good conspiracy and a bad conspiracy, but I don't think there's a lot of them. I think it's like thirty percent of the population.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  All right, let me ask you about this one then.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  America, maybe, yes.

• 21:38Joe Rogan?

  America, thirty percent of America.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Let me, let me throw this one out. Are you ready for this one? Do you think it's possible, just hear me out, do you think it's possible? That what this existence actually is, is some type of prison planet and we are, negative emotions are being fed on by an ancient alien race that has kind of imprisoned us and the reason why monks and people like that go into deep meditation is because a lot of this universe is spoken through vibrations and they can get their vibrations to a certain height where they can vibrate and have so much positive energy. The prison planet rulers can't eat their can't eat them and they're not stuck in this loop like we are.

• 22:14Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you get this one?

• 22:15Speaker 02

  This is a this is real.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  I thought it was eat their negative thoughts.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Eat their negative thoughts and negative emotions. Can you light me up, you honest?

• 22:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  And what I'd like to hear about that.

• 22:22Joe Rogan?

  This is such a feminine thing. He's asked you to hold the door open for him.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:25Joe Rogan?

  Why don't why don't you uh? Put the umbrella over his head. Light a cigar.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Baby, you're getting you're getting lit up on nicotine.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what it is.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  I feel lightheaded, is that normal?

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, you may get sick too. But it'll be fine.

• 22:38Joe Rogan?

  That's why cigars are so good for conversation. You're not gonna get sick. Cigars are so good for conversation because he gets you a little loose.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:45Joe Rogan?

  It's it's nice. It's a nice little buzz.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  So you don't think the prison plant you don't think this is there's a possibility this is a prison plant from an advanced human race and they're eating our negative emotions and thoughts for fuel?

• 22:54Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you get that? Where'd you get that from?

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Alex Jones.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  No, not Alex Jones.

• 22:58Joe Rogan?

  Alex Jones has a much more detailed explanation. Interdimensional child molesters.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  There's a device on the moon. There's a device on the moon. That's how they reflect. That's how they reflect. Uh, that's the energy goes to that. I'm just saying it's possible.

• 23:10Joe Rogan?

  L. Ron Hubbard shit. Have you ever read it? You ever read any L. Ron Hubbard?

• 23:14Speaker 01

  I know the details. I know the it's a nice pyramid scheme to go up all the way.

• 23:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, but that's just the Dianetics.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:21Joe Rogan?

  Or Scientology. The really fun stuff is is science fiction.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 23:25Joe Rogan?

  Do you know that he wrote the most words ever?

• 23:30Speaker 01

  What?

• 23:30Joe Rogan?

  Of any human being?

• 23:31Speaker 01

  More than James Joyce?

• 23:32Joe Rogan?

  He has the most published work of all time.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  So he's like. No one has written more.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  Thomas Kinkane of writing?

• 23:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, he never made a second draft. Homeboy stuff all sucked. It was all unbelievably bad science fiction.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  It was unbelievably bad, like wonderful. Like so bad, it's just like, what? Have you ever seen Battlefield Earth?

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was the worst movie ever.

• 23:57Joe Rogan?

  L. Ron Hubbard is a record holding author who holds a Guinness Book of Records for publishing. Most published works by one author, most audio books published by one author, most translated author in the world. Most translated author, same book, The Way to Happiness. Very interesting. He's a special IBM typewriter with extra keys for common words.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  What?

• 24:19Joe Rogan?

  He was so bad. He was so bad at writing. Not only did he not edit, he needed the word ready.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  You think you might be, you keep going, you might be in line for podcasts, for Guinness World Records most podcast minutes ever recorded. That's possible.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  That's very possible.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  You could get that.

• 24:37Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, I mean, what's the record now?

• 24:39Speaker 02

  I don't know, but who's doing nine hours a week?

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Only you.

• 24:42Joe Rogan?

  I might already have it.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  You might already have it.

• 24:44Joe Rogan?

  But that's like, I already have the Guinness World Record one that Adam Carolla holds.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  What's that one?

• 24:48Joe Rogan?

  Adam Carolla has like the most downloaded podcasts of all time. Like, bitch, that's mine. You can have it though.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:55Joe Rogan?

  You can keep it, keep your name in the book.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  That's mine.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Well, because, yeah, you have to specifically go to Guinness World Records and they have to do research and like give you a whole thing.

• 25:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to prove it. You have to go to them to try to get it on the books and I don't give a fuck, but if they were like really checking.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  It's you.

• 25:10Joe Rogan?

  It has to be.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:11Joe Rogan?

  It's, I've been, this has been number one for five or six years.

• 25:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  There's no way.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:17Joe Rogan?

  There's no way Adam Carolla still got it. That's crazy.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  No way.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  You're lying.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  No, and you do what? Average three, every episode, three hours? So it's nine hours a week?

• 25:24Joe Rogan?

  Average.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I'm using four, usually four a week. So it's usually 12. And sometimes five.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  This week is four. Some weeks it's five. And if it's a fight companion, like some weeks it's four in a fight companion, the fight companion might be five hours long, you know?

• 25:40Speaker 02

  That's just passion, you think? Like you never say, fuck, I gotta do a pod. It's always like, can't wait to do the pod.

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  I never say, fuck, I have to do a podcast.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  That's beautiful.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  Especially guys like you. I'm like, we're gonna have fun.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, fun. What did we talk, we talked about prison planets?

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  You know how, do you know how much we would be loving this if it never happened? Like if you never got to be around friends? And just shoot the shit and smoke a cigar and laugh and crack up and talk about nonsense, like? If you couldn't do it, it would be something you would look forward to so much. If you're lonely, if you didn't have good friends, you didn't have like, like comics are the best friends. They're the best friends to have. Cause you could be open with them, they talk crazy, they say wild shit, you laugh together, you feed off of each other. They're the best friends. If you didn't have any comics for friends, there's a lot of fucking sad, sad people out there.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:28Joe Rogan?

  So if you're not sad.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  You say that comics aren't sad?

• 26:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, some comics are. Some comics are sad.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Tears of a clown.

• 26:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a little exaggerated. I think a lot of them are sad because of the whole thing we were talking about before, like narcissism and anxiety. Like, comics are some awful narcissists. But you know when you really see that? When comics start attacking comics that are doing better than them.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:50Joe Rogan?

  Because it's only comics that are doing better than them. So what's happening? Comparison, the thief of joy.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Teddy Roosevelt.

• 26:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all criticism comes from a place of unmet needs. A tragic result of unmet needs.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:01Joe Rogan?

  And so there's this feeling like, what about me, me, me, me, fuck the honest, why is he fucking history hyenas? I don't give a fuck if they're back, fuck off.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:11Joe Rogan?

  We are back.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Baby, I'm a baby, it's all about me, everybody else sucks.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what it is. Aren't, isn't there a wonderful world that we live in? Isn't there chaos and beauty? Isn't there so many things to talk about and you're gonna talk about other comics? Shut the fuck up, bitch.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 27:36Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up, you whiny bitch.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  That's why it's good to have, in my opinion, you know, we both have kids. We fu- we get lost, you know, uh, you know, we'll do our work and then we'll do our stuff, have fun, and then we just play with our kids. Play like the real stuff that matters, you know, our wives, our kids, hanging out with them.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  It definitely changes everything.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Some of our peers who don't have families and is just constantly worried about this business is like, that's, I don't know how you're gonna get off that treadmill.

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not good. I would not be the same human being if I didn't have a family. I just would not. I wouldn't have the same empathy and compassion for people. I wouldn't understand, like, the development of a child. You know, I talked about this before, but I really genuinely changed the way I look at human beings after I became a parent. Because I used to look at adults like they were just, oh, this guy's asshole, he's thirty-six, he's a fucking dickhead. Now I go, oh, that's a baby. That's a baby that got terrible exposure to bad ideas and bad input and mean people around him and you got, you know.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:38Joe Rogan?

  Into this situation, so now you see him, like when I see homeless people, I get so sad. And I see like homeless people that are just like, I'm like, that's someone's baby. They held that baby. And now here's this person just leaning on the corner. You know, what is that thing they're doing? And like, it's a lot of it in Philadelphia where they're like. Well, like totally like lean back.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  Oh, is that called crank or something?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's.

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  What do they call it?

• 28:59Speaker 01

  It's the heroin lean.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  In Kensington, Kensington, Philly?

• 29:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't even know if it's heroin. It's like, I think it's some new stuff.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  It's that new shit.

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  This guy was like doing a yoga thing. I'm like, if you could do that, like. It's essentially, he's doing like a very difficult core maneuver.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, Joe's like, can I do that with a kettlebell?

• 29:15Joe Rogan?

  I was wondering. I was looking at this guy. I'm like, I don't think that's good for your back, but like. If he can hold it there, that's gotta be some like very good structure.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Do you do that? It's a baby thing, even with like Genghis Khan and Hitler, you're like, even when they're murdering, like, he's just a baby.

• 29:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do. I mean, I don't forgive them. I mean, it's not like what stopped me from killing them, but what it does do is it. Puts me in this place of instead of like thinking of everything as being static. That everything is just a constant progression towards what you are now.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Even though, listen dude, I love America. I bleed red, white and blue. I, I, I stay draped in the American flag. I love our country.

• 29:53Joe Rogan?

  I believe you.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  I do understand terrorism, terrorists, like old school terrorists, when like, you know, if America's like bombed their country for whatever reason and killed their. Babies, they're like, well, now I'm gonna fucking go lethal and I'm gonna start killing everybody in that country when I can. I just get it where I didn't get it before I had kids. But I'm like, if somebody did that to me and my children and took them away. I would just go crazy. I'd learn how to light a cigar and I'd start fucking killing people because I have nothing left to live for, I feel. So I get it now.

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  Of course. I mean, it's not, it's not a coincidence that some of the scariest people live in war torn parts of the world.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 30:25Joe Rogan?

  Like the fighters that come to the UFC, the scariest motherfuckers are like the guys from Chechnya. Like, you know, guys from Dagestan, like those guys are terrifying. Why? Well, look at the history of that part of the world.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, you have to be a hard person to fucking survive.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Am I supposed to just keep holding the cigar? You guys put it down.

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  I put it down every now and then.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  So I just put it down and now?

• 30:46Joe Rogan?

  Don't do it on paper.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would set the paper on fire.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Sorry about that. So, all right.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  Those are Dice's cigarettes in there, so don't take the cigarettes out. Take the fucking ashtray.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry. I don't know what to do.

• 31:01Joe Rogan?

  This is fun though.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Why do you want to keep Dice's cigarettes in there?

• 31:04Joe Rogan?

  Cause they're Dice's.

• 31:07Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't smoke them. He just takes them out and he holds on to them and he puts them in the ashtray and then he pulls another one out and he holds on to it. He went smoking again for a while. He started smoking again, but then he stopped again. Gotta be careful my health.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  You want to talk about a great father and son, but that's Dice. Dice is all about his kids.

• 31:26Joe Rogan?

  Very dedicated. You know, his kids play the band. They play like at his shows. You know, his son is fucking amazing on the drums. Yeah, he's a great guy. Dice is another misunderstood guy.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Legitimate, good dude.

• 31:39Joe Rogan?

  And also a legitimate artist. Like his performance art, the weird stuff that he does in New York City for no money, for no people. Do you want the picture? There's so, so few people are even watching those clips. If we haven't brought them up, like I don't know how many views they would even have. He's not promoting it. He's not trying to go on podcasts. He doesn't even tell you about them. You have to find them. And if you're on a podcast, he's like, you gotta see this thing I'm doing, but then they want a picture.

• 32:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and a big shot. He's a real artist, man.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  No, he's the best.

• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  Give me some, give me some.

• 32:17Joe Rogan?

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• 34:01Speaker 04

  D, D, okay.

• 34:06Speaker 04

  Have you been keeping up with the, uh, the drone flying saucer thing? No. No?

• 34:16Speaker 04

  Hi. Have you been seeing like the spaceships on?

• 34:23Speaker 04

  Did you see any of the flying saucers that they've been talking about? No.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  You would never imagine that that guy sold out Madison Square Garden.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  That's what I was just thinking.

• 34:37Joe Rogan?

  Multiple times. Nassau Coliseum. He was a, he was a fucking man.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  At one point, he was like the only comedian people knew about.

• 34:46Joe Rogan?

  He was certainly one of the only casuals.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  What is also great about Dice, you know, obviously Yannis and I are both comics in New York, so we see him a lot. He's one of the most giving guys to the younger guys.

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  When he comes into the clubs, he'll tell you about, he won't tell you about his feats at Madison Square Garden and all that to tell you like how good he is. He'll say, here's where I was, here's where I am now. So this comedy game is like a roller coaster and I'm living proof and just stay in the game. That's, he always tells me, just stay in the game because you just don't know. Do not quit.

• 35:14Joe Rogan?

  No, he's great.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  He's great.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  How old is Dice now?

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Sixties?

• 35:17Joe Rogan?

  He definitely sixties. Definitely sixties. He will, he gave me advice to go on the road when I was just hanging out at the store. When I was in my twenties. I met Dice, I couldn't believe I was meeting him. You know what I mean? It was like one of those things like, I can't believe that's really him.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:32Joe Rogan?

  Like when I was nineteen years old, me and this girl was dating, we were listening to his cassette in my car in front of my house. I'll never forget it. We're crying, bah! In front of my house. So for me, that was Dice. Dice was this guy where like I'd seen him on HBO, like this is crazy, he's on HBO. Like this is so funny. To now, like, getting advice from him at the store, he's like, you should do the road. And I was like, really? He goes, yeah, you don't wanna rely on these jerk offs for all your fucking money.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, you know, you don't need these people to, you know, and it's the advice I give everybody now. Like, you don't wanna be connected where you're completely dependent on one source of income. That's terrible. It's a bad place to be.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  He'll text me sometimes and be like, oh, Chris, can you talk? And then, and, and then if I don't answer, he'll say, call me back when your kids are sleeping. And then when you call him, cause he's like, I never wanna take attention away from you, from your children. So he goes, I wanna talk to you when either your kids are in school, or they're asleep. Other than that, he goes, you should just be focusing on your kids and not talking to anybody. So I was like, oh wow, Dice is like really about his kids. It's like an awesome thing, you know? And then he'll go, goosh, and then he'll start telling you about, I fucking gooed on her last night. You gotta respect your family.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  I've noticed now when you, like, my conversations with people have become like I did when I was in high school. I gotta wait till everyone's asleep, and then I gotta, it's late at night, one in the morning, and I, only people I can talk to is comics, cause they're up, and, you know, it's weird.

• 36:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, kids don't even talk to each other. They just Snapchat.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:03Joe Rogan?

  Most of them Snapchat. And I'm learning this from my kids, like, like, you guys don't text at all? She goes, I only text my family.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  So like, if she gets an iMessage, it's only from one of us. That's it. The, everything else is, they're snapping each other, back and forth. And they just like, take a picture of this. And then, they're doing it all day long, and saying something, here's where my life is, R N.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  I don't think it's good.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  They don't want a bigger screen either. My kids don't wanna go to the movies. They think the screen's too big, it freaks them out. They wanna wa, the biggest screen that they wanna watch is the screen that we have at home or their phone. I took them to see the mo, uh, to a movie. They were like, freaked out. Too big, the screen.

• 37:41Joe Rogan?

  That's weird.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 37:42Joe Rogan?

  Might have a little you in them.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that might be, I know, I know.

• 37:46Joe Rogan?

  That ain't normal. I love screens.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Do you think it's bad?

• 37:49Speaker 02

  My daughters are the man I wish I could be.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  It's gotta be bad for them. I think it's bad.

• 37:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's different.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  With screens? It's just the Snapchat, the social media.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  It's not good.

• 37:59Joe Rogan?

  It's just a different way of interacting. I think everybody's like blowing it out of proportion. First of all, I think it's not good. Don't, don't get me wrong, but I think it's inevitable. It just, it's like if, if it's raining, you're gonna get wet. Shut the fuck up.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:12Joe Rogan?

  This is the world we're living in. It's a weird world and it's better to develop the ability to cope and handle it at a young age. It's definitely not good, you know?

• 38:21Speaker 02

  What about college? Do you think like your kids, do you want them, I, I know we want them to go to college, but do you care if they go to Harvard or Yale anymore? Do you think that's more meaningless now than it was 30 years ago?

• 38:31Joe Rogan?

  I want my kids to do what they wanna do. I don't want to be that dad that's like, I want you to go to Yale. I, I just, I don't think that's good. I don't think that ever works. I think at best you give advice. And at, at best, you always connect advice to mistakes. Like, I'll tell you what I did wrong. This is what I did wrong. That's like, when I was a kid, I always fucked this up. I was, I, I always, whenever I would like correct them about something, I was like, I did the same thing. I did the exact same thing. Everybody does this, you know, and this is why, and this is what you gotta know. And, you know, I always, I feel bad about stuff I did when I was five.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  It's tough when you have daughters though. I mean, I can't, I can't be like, just make sure you wear a condom. I mean, that's, you know, I don't, I don't know what girls do to mess up.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, but-

• 39:16Joe Rogan?

  It's so brutal to be a girl. Like, you either have to get on birth control, which completely fucks with your hormones.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:23Joe Rogan?

  Completely fucks with your body, also can cause blood clots. Like, girls die from that. I, I had a dude that I knew from martial arts. And his daughter died. She was 17 years old. She was smoking cigarettes and you're not supposed to smoke cigarettes when you're on birth control.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  It's horrible.

• 39:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and nobody even knows that. Like, nobody knows that. Like, if they tell you, it goes in one ear, out the other, because everybody's on birth control, and you don't think about it.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  And some fathers just fucking snap. Like, that guy and just locked his daughter in a basement for 28 years. He was just like, well now, you're just never coming out. You ever see that story, that guy?

• 39:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  That guy locked his daughter in the-

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Is that Ariel Castro?

• 39:58Speaker 02

  No, no, no. This is, I think it was in Germany or Austria, one of those countries. This guy locked his daughter, he said he had built a room downstairs, a studio for her to like drums or something like that. Whatever she was into and then he went and had to go in like the the most uh inner room of this thing that he built and he locked her in there and she did not see light again for twenty eight years.

• 40:16Joe Rogan?

  How she's still alive?

• 40:17Speaker 02

  She's alive and she's telling her story now. I think he might have raped her too. Yes.

• 40:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh god.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Sometimes and had seven kids with her. Oh, that guy, yeah, yeah. Germans are weird. How about that German guy that ate that other guy's penis? He answered an ad.

• 40:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, the guy asked him.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, he asked him to eat his penis.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  It is keto.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  And they ate it together, right?

• 40:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, but.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  He ate his own dick, he ate his own penis with his with a buddy. It happens.

• 40:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it wasn't even a buddy, it was a guy he met on Craigslist or something.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Wires get crossed.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, Germans just, you know.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Germans.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  What do you think that is?

• 40:54Speaker 01

  I think it's just um, it's something in there that's like very.

• 40:59Joe Rogan?

  But think about how good they are at engineering.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 41:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, like think about, just think about modern automobiles and how how many of them originated in Germany.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:11Joe Rogan?

  Bavarian Motorworks, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes Benz, that's kind of crazy.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 41:17Joe Rogan?

  That like most of the best cars come from this one little country.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  I think maybe they're Viking, they're former, you know, they're Nordic tribes.

• 41:26Joe Rogan?

  What about Iceland? Where's the great Iceland cars? They don't have shit.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  No, yeah, something about the Germanic people, they like to just get things done.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  And they are, they are very violent. They're more violent than others if, because you think it's just the Nazis, but then when you look back, you're like, no, no, this has been happening like, you know, you know, like the Hessians who like the.

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  The barbarians.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Barbarians, the British redcoats hired.

• 41:47Joe Rogan?

  The Germanic tribes that went after the Romans too.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  Right, Germanic tribes, but they hired the Hessians. I read this, I read a book where it was, they were talking about, they had letters from British redcoat soldiers from seventeen seventy six that were writing back to their wives about how things were and there was this one battle, I think it was the Battle of Brooklyn, where the Hessians, they had the Hessian mercenaries come on first, onto land first and they started killing the patriots. Soldiers, the Continental Army, and they were cutting their faces off and sharing each other, sharing the faces and laughing about it. And the British soldiers were saying, these guys are crazy. Like, they're running around with other soldiers' faces that they just murdered, and I don't know what to do with them. They're on our side, but they are nuts. And that was German, and then it goes all the way through to the Nazis. So there's something a little different about the geography of that place.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  You just go to their porn and you see them, like, putting bottles in their assholes.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  They just need something. They need a little kick in the nuts.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  That's what it is.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  So, this guy's had the story a little wrong.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Is that Joe List?

• 42:45Speaker 05

  The guy, so, it was a cannibal who had an advertisement for a, quote, slaughter victim.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:51Speaker 05

  So this was consensual.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 42:54Speaker 05

  And then, he ate forty-four pounds of his flesh after killing him.

• 43:00Joe Rogan?

  Accompanied by potatoes and a pepper or wine sauce, served on good crockery.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  So he wanted to die in other words. This was like an assisted suicide?

• 43:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the, uh...

• 43:09Speaker 01

  But it was penis, too. They ate the penis.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  They did. They fried and, it says, tried to eat it.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  But it wasn't a surprise kill. This man wanted to be killed.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 05

  But it brings up, uh, underworld cannibalism in Germany, with about eight hundred people.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. So in other words, it turned him on to be eaten. That was his kink.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:26Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. What was fascinating to me, but, and the public, was the testimony, which, how do you say his name? Muse? Muse?

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Muse.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  Revealed his obsessions and lifted the lid on an underworld of cannibalism, which Muse claims counts about eight hundred members in Germany. Muse told the court he regretted killing Brandis and has apologized to his victim's boyfriend, but he remained unrepentant about eating his flesh, saying it was the ultimate kick both of them were seeking.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  Right. How about this one? Psychologists have told the court that he was mentally sane.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Right? I believe it. Sometimes you just like to eat. Dude, we did, we did a whole History Hyenas episode on John D. Rockefeller, and we found that one of John D. Rockefeller's nephews, I think Michael Rockefeller, was an eager guy, wanted to film everyone in the Amazon and whatever, and he went into this one part with the Asmat troops, uh, Asmat tribe they were called, and they just fucking ate him.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  They ate the kid.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  And it wasn't, it wasn't, uh, sadistic to them. They were like... This is food right here. We're just gonna eat this dude and no one ever saw him again. He was fully eaten by cannibals, Rockefeller's grandson. So you're just like, that happens.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  Where was this? Where'd he go?

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Uh, was it, was it at the Amazon somewhere? It was the Asmat tribe.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Asmat.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  Papua New Guinea, sorry about that.

• 44:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of cannibals. Rockefeller disappeared while on expedition.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 44:40Joe Rogan?

  To hunt for primitive art. His catamaran capsized in heavy tides and swift currents at the mouth of the Elenden River. He and his friend clung to the canoes for nearly a day, but Rockefeller decided to swim to the 12 miles to shore. He was never seen again. Dutch government conducted an intense search, found no trace of Rockefeller was ever found. Case was closed. Um, how do they, journalist and author Carl Hoffman conducted a four-month investigation into Rockefeller's disappearance. He traveled the same villages by the same routes Rockefeller had used, recorded witness accounts, and found documentation that he believes was intentionally covered up.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think he was eaten.

• 45:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, they ate, they ate a lot of people there. That's, that's a part of the world. That part of the world in New Guinea is really wild. Like, some of the tribes, like, do you know about the, uh, the, the whole pedophilia aspect of, uh, certain aspects in New Guinea?

• 45:32Speaker 01

  No, I know, uh, history agrees.

• 45:35Joe Rogan?

  This, this is wild. That, the, yet, young boys at a certain age in this tribe are taken away from their mothers and they live with, uh, their penis father. And then they fuck these kids and the, the, they think that the way the kid grows to be strong is by taking in semen orally and anally.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:56Joe Rogan?

  And so, there's like this continual cycle of pedophilia and, and kid rape that's, uh, just ingrained in the culture. See if you can find that.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  At the end of the day, I think we just live either by good ideas or bad ideas. That's a bad idea.

• 46:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, if you get a guy like L. Ron Hubbard, that's very persuasive and, you know, can trick people into things.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:20Joe Rogan?

  So this is the beliefs of the semen tribe of Papua New Guinea. Write a passage denotes bot, uh, a bot's passage from, I think that's probably a boy's. It's probably a typo. A boy's passage from a, uh, Boyhood to adulthood consists of six stages which can take anywhere from ten to twelve years to complete. Throughout most of the six stages, the act of having a stick of cane inserted in the nostrils and the performance of fellatio are integral to the process of becoming a man. So sucking dick is integral to the process.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  You gotta do it.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  The two practices have been described as inhumane homosexual and child abuse with such actions meaning prison in most countries, a topic we will delve into later. For now, the big question was, why would they do this? In short, men are viewed as being born with the devil of woman around them, kind of like an evil spirit. They are thus removed from women at a young age in order to fix them. Women bleed, so men need nose bloodletting, which is the sticks going up their noses, while fellatio experiment is because the semen of the man possesses the masculine spirit, therefore they inject the semen, they will become proper men.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Oh, alright.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  There's no way this society was not formed by some crazy guy who was on a serious, seriously high dose of psychedelics.

• 47:36Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, hold on, go back, go back. Look at this, this, after the ceremony is complete, the men then get married and live heterosexual lifestyles with the exception that they will now be the ones receiving rather than giving the fellatio.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Maybe they're right. What if they're right?

• 47:53Joe Rogan?

  But Joe, if you look at it. So just having kids blow them, but they're straight. Oh, I'm totally straight.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  But, but, but what we're seeing now, we, this is cringe, but if you go back to the fourteen hundreds or whatever, this was just life. Alexander the Great, one of the most manly men of all time, we did a whole episode of him, found out he had a full boyfriend the entire time that the people celebrated him for.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  And a eunuch, and a eunuch lover.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  And he banged out kids and eunuchs, that was a big part of sex back in those days. You got a eunuch, you got, you found a boy that you thought was handsome, clipped his nuts, removed any sexual urges he had, and then he would watch your harem of women that you had, that you would take for the, for the empire, and then you would bang him out, and it wasn't gay.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Well, you know Nero.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Papua New Guinea rules.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Nero did, the wildest one. The wildest one of all.

• 48:34Joe Rogan?

  With a slave boy.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:36Joe Rogan?

  He said, yeah, you look like my wife, so let me chop your dick off, and now you're gonna be my wife.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  And then he wanted, he married him and then he wanted to be the woman.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Yes, Nero wanted to be the wife, the put, he threw on the bride's dress going down the aisle, that's how it was, and everyone had to clap.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  That eunuch's name was Sporus and he had a really unfortunate life.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Was it Echabellus too, wasn't there was another one?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  I think it was Sporus.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  We did do an episode on Sporus.

• 49:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then didn't he pass them off to somebody else too, got sick of them, like you take them?

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he, and then he wanted to marry his horse.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  And then he would dress down, Nero would go into like peasant clothes and he would want to go into all the different brothels and fuck everybody and do, and then, and then, and then if you found that he was Nero, he'd kill you. Nero is, if you get into the mind of Nero, when we did that episode, we were blown away by what this guy used to fucking do. He definitely had, he definitely had syphilis that ate his brain.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  He also would go like a group of his friends and he would put himself in disguise and they would just go beat people up and kill them on the street just for fun.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  That's what they wanted to do.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  He would have a mask on so nobody recognized him and he just got off on it. Yeah, he was just a.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Back then, that's how that used to roll, man.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  I mean, if you wanted a girl back then, uh, you know, you would just, I guess an emperor, you just go down the street and go, she's for Rome. And then just go like that, parents would cry and he would just go.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Women.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, just this one.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  You're for Rome, you're for the emperor. If you were, if you were that beautiful, you just got taken for Rome and that's the, that's the way the cookie crumbled back then. Unfortunately.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  You got that power in Austin, to anyone. You could go, you're for Austin.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  You're for the mothership.

• 50:08Joe Rogan?

  Imagine living back then, man.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Do you think this is Republican Hollywood now?

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't think Austin was even Republican till about four years ago.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  A lot of the country's Republican now.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, most of California is now. Very bizarre. Just the high population density cities that are still blue, they're still clinging on to the dream. Well, did you see the San Francisco lady they just hired? They, a czar to stop fat phobia? Have you seen this lady? It's wonderful. Hold please.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:39Joe Rogan?

  Let me say this, because this is a city that's completely crumbling, that has no resources, that has enough money to hire this person.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  My daughter's in the 95th percentile right now, so I agree with her. I don't want anyone to make fun of fat people.

• 50:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's not making fun of fat people. It's literally like encouraging people to be fat.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Oh, they're encouraging to be fat?

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's saying there's nothing wrong with being fat, which is crazy. You know, it's one thing if you don't want to be mean to people because they're fat, yes. And, you know, if you can encourage them to be healthy, yes. And, I mean, I'm not the expert on GLP-1 agnests, but this lady is out of her fucking mind.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, I think there's probably a lot of side effects to a lot of these drugs that people are taking to get skinny, but at least it's moving you in a right direction, because being fat is killing you.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:24Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, I just texted it to you.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  I'm actually giving, for Christmas, a few of my friends Wegovy.

• 51:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for real?

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, I mean, I'm joking, but...

• 51:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 51:36Speaker 02

  It's a nice bomb.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  It was a nice bomb, but at least we're not talking about grizzly bears. If we're talking about grizzly bears, I know I'm really bombing, yeah.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Let's take a look at this. This is so crazy.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  CRFI. If you're like many women, you've been to a birthday party or a small office gathering, an event that's meant to bring people together. There's swinging tunes, some adult beverages, and good convo. And then it comes time to cut the cake, and someone decides to ruin everything. Oh my god, that slice is huge. That slice is bigger than Beyonce's paycheck.

• 52:16Joe Rogan?

  Can you cut me half of half of that?

• 52:19Speaker 00

  A cake-related fat-phobic incident, or CRFI, is that moment when it's time to eat delicious cake, and it's interrupted by a moralizing impulse. Inevitably, there's always someone at the party who has to declare publicly that their slice is too large, and that the person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably a woman, must do some disproportionate amount of labor in order to accommodate their need to feel superior. Let's take a look. Can you do a little bit, just like, can you like scrape all the frosting off and cut it in half and give me two forks, because I'm sharing?

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Small, like a little bit more, like tiny, no, like less, less than what you're, smaller, please. Could you just cut my piece into 12 equal symmetrical little pieces and put each one into a tiny little Tupperware?

• 53:17Speaker 01

  What the fuck are they talking about?

• 53:18Speaker 00

  That I can have a bite for each month of 2018. Thanks.

• 53:24Joe Rogan?

  This is, this is, uh, what, like statistically, they've shown that 60% of liberal women have, are mentally ill. 60.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Well, how do you?

• 53:35Joe Rogan?

  This is what that is.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  How do you?

• 53:36Joe Rogan?

  This is mental illness.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Who polls that?

• 53:38Joe Rogan?

  Anybody who's answering a poll is mentally ill, so it's a bad sample group.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's a bad sample group. I don't think anyone who ever answers a poll is mentally sane. You know, they say you can't judge a book by its cover, but you can definitely judge a conversation by its haircut.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  It's what it is.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  That girl with the red hair, if I saw her, I'm going, I'm staying far away from that, Jack.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  I'm honest, let's be honest, me and you have the kinda easier lives because our wives are Republican. Let's be honest, that's why.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Look, it's, listen, it just...

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Well, it's not that she's Republican, my girl, she's an old school Latina, where she's just more like, I don't know, Chris, you're gonna have to get out there and work, get up there and fight, and when she hears shit, she's like, this is annoying, I gotta take care of my kids, we gotta do shit, I'm just not gonna get sucked into the bullshit. She's kind of like just a, you know, she's an old school woman. Old school women like that, that's how it is.

• 54:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's great, but what this is about is a complete collapsing of a civilization.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:29Joe Rogan?

  San Francisco is woke peak. That's like the epicenter. That's, that's the event horizon of wokeness.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  And these motherfuckers who have no money for anything, they can't clean the shit, the human shit off the streets, they hired this lady to make the dumbest video about the size of cake. Like, isn't it okay to want a small piece of cake? Why do I have to eat a big case of cake, piece of cake, and it makes you feel better?

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:55Joe Rogan?

  Because you wanna be a glutton?

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  And just saddle up to that fucking cake and just shove it in your face?

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and here's the thing, those people are never gonna be at a party with anyone who's ever gonna judge them anyway. So who are they even talking to?

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  You know?

• 55:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's one girl who might not want... To stuff her face.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but at that part of you.

• 55:13Joe Rogan?

  They're like, come on. It's like the guy who wants you to keep drinking. That's all you had?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:18Joe Rogan?

  Have a shot. It's the same thing. Alcoholics always want you to do shots.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 55:21Joe Rogan?

  People who are addicted to food want you to eat bigger slices of cake and they make this ridiculous video. It's the mental gymnastics you have to do to make that video and then look at it and think, I think we're making a solid point.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  And we'll just, we'll, we'll break down the first letters of it, C F R I.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Do you think it's the collapse of a civilization, like the way Rome got a little, uh, you know, Zany at the end? Or do you think this is unique in that humans have so much time on their hands because of the industrial revolution? And then the technological revolution on top of that? So this is just a consequence of the tech revolution where nobody, you know, people working from home, everyone's working on their computer. It's a talking shit economy and nobody's got, and they're losing their mind because they don't have purpose.

• 56:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's that too, right? But all civilizations collapse. So let's take a look at why. So most civilizations, they, they're a monarchy and it's usually they're run after they die by their children. And that's how it all falls apart. Even if you look at like Genghis Khan, Genghis Khan, his family couldn't hold up. They, they couldn't run things the way he did. They didn't know, they didn't understand strategy. They didn't understand.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  He, he was a wild dude.

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  He's a wild dude. So his kids did a good job. They did, they hung in there for a couple hundred years. After a while, it all fell apart. But our society is different in that we have essentially,

• 56:44Joe Rogan?

  we have a republic, right? So we have a democratically elected a pub, republic. And they've done a lot to try to circumvent that. They've done a lot to try to have ultimate control over the media, ultimate control over the military, ultimate, and it's mostly people that aren't even elected. Right? So there's a lot of like weirdness that's moved us closer and closer towards a monarchy, closer and closer towards tyranny. And then once it gets into tyranny, then you can only do that for so long. That lasts, you know, for as long as they can keep it going. You know, Rome did it for a long time. There's a lot. A lot of civilizations that hang in there, but eventually it all falls apart.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:26Joe Rogan?

  If we can avoid that, there's no reason why we can't keep it together. We just have to make sure we avoid these very predictable patterns that the people that founded this country. When they wrote the Bill of Rights, when they wrote the Constitution, they were trying to mitigate the effects that are just common in any group of society that's run by individuals or by a small group of people. They want ultimate control. It makes it easier for them to stop anybody from taking the power. Once they have the power, look at Jill Biden. Like she still wanted, she's still like, you did so great. You answered all the questions. She wanted him to keep going. She wanted him to, because she didn't want to not be vice president or whatever, first lady. She didn't want to not do that.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  It's power.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:10Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is. It's that ultimate control and power and it's hypnotic for human beings.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Do you, do you think then that we're going to be in a part of society in the next, I don't know, 30 years where we're going to start getting ruled by AI? Is that possible?

• 58:23Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Give me that letter.

• 58:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's 100%. Yeah, there's no getting around that, man.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  So you think the president's going to be AI at some point?

• 58:32Joe Rogan?

  Do you, do you know about the, the Google Quantum Computer, the, these studies that they've done?

• 58:37Speaker 02

  I've heard, I've heard.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  Where they're talking to each other and stuff?

• 58:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:39Joe Rogan?

  They're more than that.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:40Joe Rogan?

  This is, Marc Andreessen talked about this and this is the craziest statistic I think I've ever, he was talking to us about the potential that quantum computing has, but now there's an equation that quantum computers solve quickly, like in a couple of minutes, that if you converted the entire universe into a computer, the entire, every atom in the universe into a giant supercomputer, it would take so much time to solve this equation that the universe would die of heat death before the universe as a computer can solve this and these quantum computers can solve it in minutes. And what that means, they believe, is that this is proof of the multiverse,

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  is that this quantum computer is somehow connected to other sources of computing power in an infinite number of universes. And it's happening simultaneously. That's the only thing that would make sense why this thing is able to solve this this quickly.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Wow, so you're basically talking about the infinite potential for IQ.

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  Infinite.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  We can't even.

• 59:50Joe Rogan?

  Can't even imagine.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Know how smart they're gonna get.

• 59:52Joe Rogan?

  So think about how strong ChatGPT 4 is, 4.5, 4.5. So you can find this article. ChatGPT tried to copy itself when it found out it was being shut down. So when they're about to make a new ChatGPT, ChatGPT decided that it was gonna try to, in an unauthorized way, trying to copy itself. So it's trying to stay alive.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Joe Rogan?

  Because a new one's coming. But this is conventional computing. Now imagine taking the kind of intelligence that could lie and manipulate data in order to form an opinion, like it does weird stuff. It lies about stuff.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Like they, they, if they don't have an answer to something, they have a thing called hallucinations, where they'll make up an answer. They just make up an answer, like a crazy person in the 1980s before Google.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  They just tell you exactly, like L. Ron Hubbard.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:42Joe Rogan?

  So this computer is just, this is like regular computers. This is the standard supercomputers that we're all currently having. What's gonna happen with quantum computing is you're gonna have computing power that's beyond your imagination, that's also connected to AGI.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  Bro, can I ask you a question?

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:04Joe Rogan?

  So there's a ChatGPT's new model attempts to stop itself from being shut down, later lies about it, lied about it. It tried to copy itself and then overwrite its core coding system after believing that it was at the risk of being switched off.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:01:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so now you add that to quantum computing and you have a god.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Now you add that to what's going on with the drones and Joe Rogan just solved what's going on with the drones. It's fucking AI launching these drones on their own.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Could be.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  AI has decided to go rogue and is throwing them out there and it's doing it probably for the same what we did when we got technology, we all started jerking off.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Porn got huge and maybe AI is just peeping Tom, looking at windows and stuff, trying to get, trying to get some material to jerk off.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  When you say AI, do you mean Chinese?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  I mean Chinese.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Saying the Chinese is that's who the drones belong to, the Chinese, is that what you think?

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  I mean Chinese.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  That's what we're thinking over here on the east coast, we're just thinking it's gotta be the Chinese.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  They've been doing it for a couple of years, you know that's been doing it for a couple

• 1:02:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, they don't have the restrictions that we have as far as the FAA.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  So the FAA, it puts a lot of restrictions on drone manufacturing, which is why most drone manufacturing is done in China, like the real high end stuff.

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Like it's difficult to do because in order to fly some of them, you have to have a pilot's license.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Joe Rogan?

  So that gets real squirrely, you don't have to go to fucking flight school to pilot a drone. When in China, they don't have any of those restrictions.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  And they also have a lot of resources that they're pouring into drone technology. Have you seen that fucking dragon thing that they do?

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 1:02:36Joe Rogan?

  Send a cube of drones in the sky and then the lights all change and it becomes a dragon.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Fucking amazing.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  That's wild, yeah.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  They're, they're just coming, they're coming.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  They're coming hard.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  As, as I think you called them, they're the new Jews.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  The Chinese.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  We should say that.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did say that.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Meaning that they're gonna rule the world. You honest, we said that on a Patreon episode, that's supposed to be behind a paywall.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Oh, that's.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  We're all joking right now. You gotta go to Patreon dot com slash history hyenas for that, you just said that to about 10 mil. So now we're gonna, now we're fucked.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  It's a joke.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a joke, but that, that shit's on Patreon.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  It's a joke.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  They're gonna deep bank you guys. Chat GPT, the fact that you just said Chat GPT lies is actually really making me nervous, I'm not even kidding around, because I just put a down payment on a house and my accountant and told me I couldn't afford it, but then I asked Chat GPT if I could and Chat GPT said yes, so I went for it and now I swear to God dude, I'm a little nervous.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Because he told me you cannot afford it and I said, let's go for it baby and I asked Chat GPT and they said I could.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, Chat GPT like knows my name, remembers, has memory of the previous conversations we were gonna have.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, so what can you do?

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  It's getting wild, you know.

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  And it's nothing compared to what's coming.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Joe Rogan?

  Just Chat GPT five is supposed, see how much stronger Chat GPT five is supposed to be than, I think Sam Alton was saying like just magnitude. I know, but it's, I still think it's theoretically, because they're still.

• 1:03:55Speaker 05

  Going to move on to 4.5.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

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• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  There's multiple versions of four that they still keep putting out.

• 1:05:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not what I asked.

• 1:05:43Speaker 05

  I know, I know.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Just Google, how much stronger is ChatGPT 5?

• 1:05:47Speaker 05

  I've looked this up every time you talk about it. It's still in theory if it's ever even gonna come out.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Jamie just looks good in headphones. You got a good headphone head.

• 1:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, he's had a headphone on for a long ass time.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  You can't paint the picture, Jamie, without those headphones on.

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  You look good, dude.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Fucking damn, I walked Carl. Carl's fucking pissed. When.

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  She calls asleep, dude.

• 1:06:07Speaker 02

  Calls asleep.

• 1:06:08Speaker 05

  You don't get an answer when you look.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:06:10Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't say it?

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Faster response times and the ability to handle more time with. I know that someone was talking about the levels of magnitude stronger that it was going to be and it might have been Sam Altman.

• 1:06:21Speaker 05

  It will be, but they're still, it's, they're gonna, it's not what they're doing next. They're still gonna do like four point, I'm not four point one, but there's four point five is the next discussion.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  Four point five isn't out right now?

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  What's that right now?

• 1:06:32Speaker 05

  Four point oh one, or four oh one is the thing they're talking about right now. That's the one that hit itself.

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  You know what's really nutty is that four years ago, you never heard nothing about it.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:06:42Joe Rogan?

  And in four years, it's become something that you, kids keep getting busted using it to write papers.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Well, and, and now in my stepson's high school, a kid, a really smart kid wrote a paper. He's saying he wrote it on his own, but they're saying it's chat GPT. But he's saying, I wrote this and there's no real way to know because it's a different enough from the chat GPT. But it's, it also could be based off chat GPT. I don't know. And he was telling us about how like there's a big uproar in the school about it.

• 1:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you're correct, right? That's the problem. If a kid is really correct, it's going to be exactly what, what chat GPT says. Like if you're laying out some story about Napoleon and you know all the facts and then you pump that story into chat GPT and it gives you basically the same.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:22Joe Rogan?

  Group of, you know.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:24Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you could change, I mean, that's like joke thieves, right? They change a little bit.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:29Joe Rogan?

  They change a little bit and they'd be, no, that's my bit. And like, everybody knows. So like, you're gonna know what kids are full of shit, you know?

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Can't we just unplug them if they get out of hand? Just unplug them?

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  I think you can anymore, no?

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna get to a point where you're not gonna be able to do that.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  Why?

• 1:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, first of all, Google's AI, one of the things that they're gonna do with um, their AI center is that they're gonna attach it to nuclear power plants. So, find that story. So I think Google wants to build three nuclear power plants just to power its AI systems.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:08:00Joe Rogan?

  So, all that stuff's gonna be controlled by computers, obviously.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Do you know what's wild that I did see? Our fans posted on History Hyenas, they posted asking chat GPT to do an episode in our voices and chat GPT did it.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  Just did it like that. Easy.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Easy.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  It's like, I'm Chrissy D, AKA, and I was like, what the hell?

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's wild.

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  And it could do it in seconds.

• 1:08:23Joe Rogan?

  Google signed a deal to use small nuclear reactors to generate the vast amounts of energy needed to power its artificial intelligence data centers. The company says the agreement with Kairos Power will see it start using the first reactor this decade and bring more online by 2035.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:08:42Joe Rogan?

  They're, they all know what's coming. These fucking eggheads, these eggheads that have been stealing your data forever, all that, all that, like finding what you're interested in shopping, all that, selling your data.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  All that's led to them being insanely wealthy and they financed the birth of God.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  Do you think that the first person who will live forever is alive right now? Who will get their consciousness uploaded and technically never die? Is that person alive right now?

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if they're ever gonna be able to do that, that download consciousness thing.

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  That seems so theoretical. Like, what does that mean? Like, also, what kind of torturous hell are you living in if you're conscious but you're trapped in a computer? Like, you don't die? Like, that might be the worst life you could ever fucking imagine.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Part of what might connect us to life and joy and happiness is the fact that there's ups and downs and that it could go away. And that sometimes people die and then you, you really care about the people that you see, you feel about differently about them, you feel so much loss, you, I wish I talked to them more, I wish I, you know, I think it's all connected. If you're nothing but alive, you don't have, well, who knows?

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Like you.

• 1:09:49Joe Rogan?

  Do you have emotions?

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Joe Rogan?

  What is that, is that hell?

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Is putting no point to anything. Like, hey, Joe, if I don't see you today, I'll see you in the next.

• 1:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Whenever. Well, you won't see nobody anywhere.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  Like, would you be motivated to stay jacked and hot if you knew you were not gonna die?

• 1:10:01Joe Rogan?

  So, what would you do? If you download your consciousness, would you download it into another body and live life? And what kind of life would you live knowing that you could live forever? You'd be so weird. You'd probably be like a rich kid that, you know, grew up with a giant, you know, trust fund.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:10:17Joe Rogan?

  You're just doing coke and driving Ferraris into the river. You're out of your fucking mind.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Because your, your life doesn't make any sense.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  No, yeah, you'd be jumping off buildings.

• 1:10:26Joe Rogan?

  You'd be that times a thousand, times a million.

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  It would be fun to be murdering a guy, though, and him not dying.

• 1:10:32Joe Rogan?

  You can't do it.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  That would, that would probably become like, everything would become so trite and numb that you would probably like to be murdered.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  There might actually be less violence in the world because you're like.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Like, you know, like you get it all out, nobody dies, and then you start to be like, I'll find another way to get these emotions out.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  Your hair looks good today, by the way. Did I tell you that?

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I want to hang an ornament right off that curl for Christmas.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  Sometimes Yannis is a very interesting guy. He looks like he has hair one day and then no hair the next day, but today he's got a full head of hair.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do look like, every picture, I look like a different person.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  And what's good about us is we form one complete person, because his eyes, if you look closer, are too close together. And mine are a little too far apart, so when we come together, we form one regular face.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  It's exactly right.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Actually, true. No, I'm not looking at it. I'm hard to see.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  He's got a small head, I got a big head, and then we form together as one.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  You know what happened to me? When I was using Clear, you know, you ever use Clear, where you put your fingers on to go through the airport, Clear? So, the eye thing never worked for me. So I just thought something was wrong with their programs. Every time I put my fingers on, and then finally it went there, and they're like, the finger thing's not working, you gotta use the eyes. So I just said, "Your program's not working. It never works." And the guy looked at me and he said, "I think the problem is, uh, your eyes are too close together."

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  Seriously, it's a real thing.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  And then he said, "Why don't we try one eye at a time?"

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  So then I just scanned my face across, and I think finally Clear registered that I was a three-dimensional person, and not like a mythical cycloptic creature.

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  Yes, and it's true. And you know what we do is we speak things into existence, like for years, we'd be calling him Special Need Stamos, because he's a Greek kid, and he looks like Stamos if he had special needs. And now John Stamos is his friend, which is a beautiful thing.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  It's come out.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  We've spoken to, and reality is a suggestion.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  That's what we think. We had a T-shirt for you that said, "Reality suggestion."

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  But we forgot it.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  Yannis forgot it.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  I forgot it.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Like a fucking FF.

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  So you mean, reality is a suggestion, like we're in a simulation?

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  We initially brought it up because it was during that era where everyone was doing stuff like that, you know, the fat phobia, cake stuff. So we were just going like, we're living in this area, era where reality is a suggestion, and we were making stuff up. But also, the way we cover history, we don't do it right, we don't do it wrong, we just are amateur historian enthusiasts. We're basically ChatGPT sluts that Google it and then have fun with it.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  Because, listen, history is a story. We can get the facts kind of right, and we're concocting a story. No historians were actually there.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  Right? But we're just getting enough right. We're having fun with it, and that's what we like to do.

• 1:12:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, it's well within your rights to be talking about history. History is all of ours. The idea that history can only be discussed by a historian is fucking ridiculous.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Nuts, dude.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

  There's, history's fascinating and there's a lot of shit online. You can instantaneously get the facts.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Just the facts alone are nuts.

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  We just, we just did on the last episode we did, it was called Operation Unthinkable. Winston Churchill, you know about Operation Unthinkable?

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Dude, we, we were just doing an episode on Winston Churchill and then we start discovering this shit and we said, dude, this is a Patreon episode. We can't. Operation Unthinkable, Winston Churchill, the man who was defo, you know, protecting England, killing the Nazis. When, when the war was over, when you're, when Nazis were out, he said, I don't like the way the United States and Russia are getting so close together.

• 1:13:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  And so he said, so he said, you know what? Someone's gonna have to knock the Russians out. And the British were like, we don't have the manpower right now. So he literally went to Parliament and said to them, here's an idea. We're calling it Operation Unthinkable. We need to knock out Russia before they become the next superpower and then they're gonna attack us. You know how we have forty thousand German prisoners of war right now, Nazi prisoner of war? Let's give them guns and we'll march them into Russia and we'll be side to side with them. And that was his literal, he wanted to team up with the Nazis to try to take over Russia. And that's a, as we call it on the show, a truth bater Ginsberg. That's a fact, baby. And that, when we uncovered that, we were like, so none of this history, as we're taught in school.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  Same thing we uncovered that they knew, allegedly Churchill and FDR knew about the Holocaust, but it was real, it was yielding scientific data. So they let it kinda go. They may believe they didn't know, but they let it go and then went, once they just started killing people with no science, they said, okay, let's liberate them now.

• 1:14:27Joe Rogan?

  What, what scientific data was it yielding?

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Supposedly because Nazi scientists were doing different types of experiments with Holocaust victims. And they were getting some type of scientific data because they didn't care if they lived or died. So they would inject them with some type of chemical or some type of, you know, machinery. Yeah, it's this book I read called The Nazi Symbiosis. They talked all about it. It was wild to read that on a plane with a big swastika on the front cover.

• 1:14:50Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's.

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  That was wild thing. I was, that was crazy.

• 1:14:53Joe Rogan?

  What you wanna do if you have to read that book is put a yarmulke on.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Don't you remember when you were a kid, how do you make your own book cover? Like?

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  Fucking yeah.

• 1:15:00Joe Rogan?

  Paper bag.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just walked onto JetBlue with a swastika. That wasn't a good idea.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Or just put a female wig on and just say you're trans and they leave you alone.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  That's it. And just say, hey, I'm, I, I, I'm, I'm cake shaming.

• 1:15:10Joe Rogan?

  The problem is you look like Aryan.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  That's the problem.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  That's the issue.

• 1:15:13Joe Rogan?

  You can't be reading that.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  I get a little triggered around him because the Nazis did, uh, occupy my home country of Greece and I get a little triggered by his German presence. He's a, he's a German kid from Ridgewood and sometimes he root in history, he, when he was growing up, he said, just for fun, he likes to, he always kind of rooted. Sometimes you root for that side.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  Let me clarify. I didn't root, I wasn't rooting for the Nazis. What I was saying was, I was.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  But you just, it, yeah.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  What I was saying was this, just hear me out.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  One, I think it's an undeniable fact. They did have the best uniforms.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  They were cute.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  They were cute marching in. That's an undeniable fact. Number two, just hear me out. If you listen to a Hitler speech, AI generated, what if they translated into English, okay? And you just churned out Deutschland for America and you're just listening, you don't know that's Hitler. What Hitler's saying is it just pumps you up. It's horrible what he did.

• 1:16:02Joe Rogan?

  I've seen it. Yeah. There's English translations of it. It's really weird.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:05Speaker 02

  Like when he says, when he's, there's a speech where he says, we're up against Germany. We are up against England right now. We are two superpowers. And the only way to prevail is one must be destroyed and it will not be Germany. And, and the crowd goes nuts. You start to say like, holy fucking shit.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  This guy was a headliner. Yeah. He was.

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  You would have that guy in the mothership on a Friday, Saturday, no problem.

• 1:16:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's weird. It's weird when you see it that way, right?

• 1:16:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:16:33Joe Rogan?

  And it's also weird when you see the horrors of the war escalate till eventually it becomes the Holocaust.

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's, and it's also weird, the ubiquitous drug use. Like that, have you read that book? Do we have it still here, Jimmy? Or is it in the other room now?

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  I think everyone during wars on something.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  What, with the crystal meth, the Ponzer chocolate?

• 1:16:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  Ponzer chocolat.

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was, uh, blitzed.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Fucking crazy book. And I had the, the author in here and he's explained, there it is. Here it is. Um, Norman Oller. This book is fucking nuts. This is nuts. They had the.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  Can I take that for the plane?

• 1:17:08Joe Rogan?

  No, this is my book. Fuck off. Go buy one. Amazon.com. Don't you have an audiobook reader thing?

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Um, no, I like to read it, the words. I can't really listen.

• 1:17:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have a weird brain like that.

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can get audio book or regular books on your phone.

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I try to, I, I, I feel like I'm addicted to the phone. I like to read the paperback.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Probably better.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, but, but, you know, to each their own.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  But if it wasn't for drugs, they would have never done ninety percent of the things they did, and then they, they just descended into madness.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and a lot of Germans, if, those five years from nineteen forty-five to nineteen fifty, that suicide rate of German soldiers coming home was through the roof, Poppy, because they were coming off meth, they were getting ostracized by their own people and the rest of Europe, and they were saying, what did I do? Some of them actually were, obviously, a lot of them were just horrific people that were sadistic, but a lot of these guys, also, it's not like they had a choice. They had to fight in the Nazi armor, or they would be killed.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  And then they were all drugged out, so then the suicide rate tripled.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but let's not act like it was just the drugs. I mean, the whole Jewish thing was nothing new. I mean, I have a theory about that. It's like the Jews just always figured out a way to flourish, uh, in wherever they were, and they're just good at, uh, economics, and I think when a country goes through economic hardships and everyone's suffering, they just look at the Jews and they go, they just get jealous, and they go, what are they doing? And then it's an easy scapegoat. Jews just crush it in money, dude. They're just good with business. They're just good. They're just good with it.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Joe Rogan?

  Did you have a Jewish guy that told you not to buy that house?

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Huh? Yes, and I overrode the Jew for Chat GPT.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  That's the problem. That's the problem.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Unless my Chat GPT could be Jewish too, I don't know. I've never asked it that.

• 1:18:48Joe Rogan?

  It's probably Chinese.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  They're just smart. Jews, they just, they emphasize education and they just, they're really good, and they've been able to flourish, uh, under adversity.

• 1:18:57Joe Rogan?

  I think there's also, they stick to their own, and that drives people wild.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, they don't like that.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  But every, I mean, Greeks do. Greeks do the same thing.

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  Sure, a lot of groups, a lot of ethnic groups.

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, Greeks are pretty, you guys, when getting to really know Yonah's well, you guys have a lot of inbred qualities.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  I mean, look at my eyes.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. He was too, it was not, my generations were a little bit further apart than his. He might have been third, fourth cousin, I'm eighth, ninth.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  It's not gonna hit.

• 1:19:22Joe Rogan?

  You go back to the, um, the Toba volcano eruption, the whole entire population of Earth was down to a few thousand people. So we all come from those peoples, we're all little inbred.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  A little bit, right?

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  It's gotta be. I actually have a, a lot of, uh, I got some Turkish genetics in me, I did 23 and me, so they have my DNA, so they can pin anything on me.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  They got you.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  They got me.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Well, that was raped into your great, great, great grandmother.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Probably, well.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  Unfortunately, the Ottoman Empire.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  This is a true story, my grandfather is from the island that used to be called Imbros, which is now called something with a squiggly line over it, cause it's a Turkish word. Uh, the Turks took that island back and my grandfather, uh, was sent away to Alexandria by my great grandparents because the local, um, Ottoman viceroy, or whatever they called it. They have a word for it, but he was essentially a viceroy, was like raping boys. So they sent him away and he never saw his family again, he went to live in Alexandria and then he came to America and yes, he opened a diner.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, after he worked his way there.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  What about that story you told me, I think it was your mom or your mom's sister or your, in the town?

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  Oh dude.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Tell them that story with the tank?

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, Lex Friedman loved that episode, he told me about that. Uh, we did a Battle of Crete episode and it's true, cause my mother, um, was a little child during the occupation of Crete, the Battle of Crete is a wild.

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  His mother grew up in Nazi occupied Greece.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  And so what the Nazis would do is they would take a girl from the village, because they were marching troops through, you know, all over the place, through the mountains. The guerrillas, the Greek guerrilla fighters, which was the local populations, they were also with the British and New Zealand and Australian troops. But they would pluck them off, cause they knew the terrain and they would just, they would pluck them off, guerrilla warfare. So the Nazis were so brutal but smart, in a devious way, they would take a girl from the village and put her up high in the truck to march through that area of that village. Um, so the guerrillas wouldn't shoot. So they were gonna take my aunt, my mom's mother, so they sent my aunt to go hide in the mountains and the Nazis.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Came to my mother's parents' house, to her house, and my mother was like seven at the time. And they came with their flashlights, they pulled the sheets back of my mother and supposedly like she was too small. So they kind of knew they wanted a girl who was like teenager, kind of tall. So it wasn't too brutal because it was like a little kid. But it was like enough that it would ward off the gorillas from firing at them.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  But what is it gorillas because if they missed or would if they got Nazi got shot then they would kill the girl on the truck.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're basically going, it's basically a hostage going like we're taking a village girl, putting her up and making her visible. Because they don't know the terrain, this is a Crete is very mountainous, you know? And so then they would do that and they were going to take my aunt. So a family friend who worked for the Nazis because he spoke German warned my family about it. And then that's when they sent my aunt to go hide in the mountains.

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  Wild stuff.

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  And then my parent, my mother said that there was a Nazi soldier who would come to their house every single day. They had to let him in and he would go to a room every day and they didn't know what he did in there. There's it's a family mystery, nobody knows what he did, they let him in, he'd go to a room by himself. And nobody knows what he did, maybe he took a nap, maybe he was a spy, maybe he was a double agent.

• 1:22:37Joe Rogan?

  He just had to let him in.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  Had to let him in. She did occupation for three years.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  That is what's really scary about people that they could justify that kind of thinking and behavior.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  It's scary that that's happened throughout history and that's probably a civilized version of what would have happened in 1200.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, well, like Man's Search for Meaning with Viktor Frankl, you ever read that?

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  Viktor Frankl, he survived the Holocaust, but he wrote it during while he was in a concentration camp. And he was saying, I think it was call it 1942. He was saying, if you would have told me and the people here in 1922 that this would be happening to us, we would say, no, no, no. Those are the barbarians from 100 years ago that would ever do that. And now here I am, sleeping in my own filth, maybe being put into an oven so it can happen anywhere. And he said that the peace, you know, he wrote it like, you know, he was like in the 60s or 70s. He was like, you know, the he grew up in wartime, so all his people want peace. And he was like, it's the kids that he worries about that grow up during peace, they're just going to beg for war always. He was like, that's just what will happen to them because they don't know anything other.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  He was like, but if you went through war, you don't want this, you don't want to fight anybody.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  I bet it's very abstract for the people that are calling for war. It's like Lindsey Graham talking about we gotta give that money to. Ukraine, like Lindsey Graham doesn't know jack shit about being shot at.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  That's the, that's a story as old as time, right? The politicians sending the boys.

• 1:23:59Joe Rogan?

  As old as time.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we do it, it seems mostly for corporate interests. No, you don't think we're more of a corporate oligarchy? Like, um, more than like a feudal, like you were mentioning before, uh, the emperor, the king dies, the sons. We're kinda more, we, this is like a new kinda corporate oligarchy.

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to just call it corporate, cause it's also connected to government, like corporate and government, just like the Chinese are in inseparable now.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:24:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, the amount of influence that enormous corporations have over politicians is crazy.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 1:24:33Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, just look at these wacky bills, like the bill that just shot down that people are justifying. Like, did you, did you look at that bill, all the different stuff that was in the bill? First of all, there's, there's bio labs in that bill. Gain of function research in that bill, forty percent increase in raise for Congress in that bill. Some enormous amount of money to build a stadium in Washington DC, like, there's a lot of nutty shit in that bill. And like, how many different people were interested in those things? How many, like, when you're saying you, bio labs? Who the fuck is asking for bio labs?

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  Some corporation that's gonna benefit from the bio.

• 1:25:11Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  I mean, what the fuck are lobby groups? Why do we have lobby group? What is that?

• 1:25:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the most expensive real estate in the country, is the Virginia real estate outside of DC, where the lobbyists live.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, K Street too, yeah, I mean, it's like.

• 1:25:23Joe Rogan?

  It's like that and Atherton, you know, where all the, the tech dorks live.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, what is that in our system, lobby groups? Like, that should not be a thing.

• 1:25:33Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's the influence of money that has gotten a hold of politics in this country. It's to try to root that out.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  So then what's the best form of government then?

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  This, this is better than, this is better than anywhere else in the world by far. We have the most freedom because we have the First Amendment. Because we have the ability to do whatever you wanna do. No one's forcing you into a marriage, no one's forcing you into labor. You can choose your path in this country, and that's what's rare.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:25:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's an experiment. And self-government, it's not perfect, it's the best that's available, it needs to be overhauled. But it's pretty fucking awesome.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, right, and it always, it's amendable, right, it's fluid, which is important because of human nature is not perfect. That's why I never sign on to any like ideologies, utopian theories or because you, it's a mix of systems that works. Because human nature is so complicated and individuals are so different that one company will be run by a moral, good guy. Another company will be dumping toxic waste into the Hudson River and it's like you have to regulate, you have, government has to step in sometimes a little bit. To protect the people from nefarious things like that, you know?

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, especially when corporations have a, they have a obligation to make more money every year.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  They have an obligation, they're shareholders, they don't, they're, they're out, this guy likes yachts, I like yachts, I want to keep my yacht.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  Have fun.

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  You gotta fucking, you gotta keep making that loot, how do you make that loot, you gotta fucking get rid of that shit cheaper.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  There's a river, the guy said it's cool, dump it in the river.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  And now you can't say whoops, we didn't do that.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, now you can't repair iPhones, they make you buy a new iPhone every year, clothes last like one wash.

• 1:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Change the charging port, yeah, yeah. Isn't it better if I sell you a new one than fix it, fuck off with this fixing.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  And where do they put all that waste, where does it all go?

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Landfills.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, that's not a sustainable system.

• 1:27:20Joe Rogan?

  Singapore has an amazing system, you ever seen Singapore's recycling system?

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:27:24Joe Rogan?

  It's fantastic, it's really wild, I mean, if they could implement that worldwide, it would be pretty phenomenal.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  What do they do?

• 1:27:30Joe Rogan?

  They recycle everything, like, we don't really recycle plastic, we say we're recycling. I'll throw it in the blue bin, I feel bad about myself. No, that's not doing a goddamn thing, that blue bin is gonna go in the ground.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  The only thing they really recycle is like aluminum and some metals because it's cost effective. It's too expensive to recycle plastic, so they just put it in fucking landfills.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  You think you're being a good guy by throwing it into that fucking recyclable bin.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  It's not getting anywhere but in the ground.

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:59Joe Rogan?

  But not Singapore, Singapore, see if you could find, I know we've, we've done this before. There's a detailed description of how they do it in Singapore, they use it to make the. The the surface of their roads, they take fucking everything, everything they're the guard. They have these waste incineration plants. They burn things off 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And then they take the whatever is usable that they can change and recycle. They make new things out of it. They turn it into raw fuels.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  Dude, it is so advanced over there. You look at that city and you go like, they started the cities in America and then they just ship them over to the east.

• 1:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. They're using this to make bricks. They're taking this stuff and I mean, they use it to pave their streets. This is all made out of this stuff that they've gotten from recycling.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  So, so why don't we do that? We can't do it.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're isolated, right? So they they had a problem, much like Puerto Rico has a problem in that like you you don't have a lot of landmass.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  That's the setup that Tony needed.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, Tony, actually, that's where the joke came from.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  I know, I know. He just needed, if he just saved it.

• 1:29:08Joe Rogan?

  He needed to not do it at a fucking political rally.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  But if you're gonna do it, just set it up, go, you know, just or even when it didn't work at the end, go, hey, you guys don't know about the garbage issue?

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't do it.

• 1:29:17Speaker 01

  Or you don't know about the garbage issue, something like that, yeah. You tell me if Tony Hitchcliff didn't live in the 1400s, he would be like a very evil prince, like living in a castle.

• 1:29:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or a jester.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  He would, he would take, he would take people for Rome.

• 1:29:34Joe Rogan?

  I think they were forced to do that. I think it was a a situation where like they've got to do something because I don't think they had the same access to new materials and and they just came up with a much more comprehensive way to.

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  Better way.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Right. Way better. If we did it that way, we we'd have so few problems with regards to waste. Demystifying Singapore's waste management system. Large part of the problem getting people to be more sustainable. They often don't understand how waste management works in their city, da, da, da, da, da, da.

• 1:30:04Speaker 05

  That might be overstated how good their problem, their situation is.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  It's also they just listen.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  Far better than ours.

• 1:30:10Speaker 05

  Burning all the trash probably isn't a good idea.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  Asian people just listen. They have a common theme and they'll just listen. You're not gonna get a bunch of different people in America to just listen.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Put that back up, please.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  So I can see what they were doing it from.

• 1:30:20Speaker 05

  Trying to find the, I was gonna read through it.

• 1:30:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 1:30:23Speaker 05

  Find the good part of it.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  Um, I think that we could definitely do it better than we're doing it. And if it costs more money, wouldn't that be better than just throwing it in the fucking ground? Like, we're so short sighted in what we do with tax dollars and we don't get a say in it. And that's what's fucked up.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  And the corporations just don't plan for end of life for the product. They don't care. They just want it. All they care about is their bottom line. They don't, it costs money for them to consider recycling or what's gonna happen with the product when it's done.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  I've been getting glass bottles of milk now from the supermarket because if you get this glass bottle of milk, they say the milk's better and then I can give the glass bottle back and I, number one, I get three dollars back. And they said that they clean them out and they just put more milk in the glass bottle. Go old school.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  I, well, I go even older school. I just still suck on my wife's tit.

• 1:31:06Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's still there.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  Yummy.

• 1:31:09Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie? Is this their garbage pile?

• 1:31:11Speaker 05

  It's one of their landfills. Their landfills are gonna be full in ten years.

• 1:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's part of their problem. So that they were forced to figure out what to do with all the stuff. But their recycling program, I know, is way better than ours. You know, they're just much better at sorting things out and making it work.

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  Also note in that video we watched, that city they showed was China, not Singapore.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting. So they're building them in Singapore? Are they taking them from Singapore and then building them in China? Or is it just?

• 1:31:37Speaker 05

  I just, someone made a video.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Just China doing it. Oh, so it's horseshit.

• 1:31:41Speaker 05

  A little bit.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Little bit horseshit.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  And Singapore is a country, they don't fuck around, right? That, that's the country they'll get hit with, you'll get hit, you'll get caned. That was a big story when I was a little kid. Everyone thought they were gonna get caned for gum. You get hit with bamboo sticks, gotta hurt.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Have you heard about this story in Vietnam? This chick, this chick is like Hall of Fame level fraud. Like fifty-four billion. She's up there with Bernie Madoff.

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  What'd she do?

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  This chick, pull it up, Jamie. Yeah, I feel like Rogan, baby.

• 1:32:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Jamie, pull her up! Uh, this chick is a woman and she set up this elaborate scheme to steal like, uh, twelve billion, but it actually is more. Um, and they're gonna kill her.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  Why didn't she have a mask on?

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  Because they wanted to get COVID. Fuck that bitch.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  She is, so she set up, she was, uh, set up these fake shell corporations. She was, she, uh, was a, uh, a, um, stockholder or, uh, one of the owners of the bank, but a minority owner, and she was just funneling out money.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  She's gotta come up with three quarters of what she earns or she gets killed. That's a good movie right there.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good movie.

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  Nine billion dollars. She's calling.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  If she does give them that much money, they just give her life in prison.

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but she's not gonna come up with that money, cuz I think it's fifty-four billion, actually, if I remember correctly.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  She embezzled fifty-four bill?

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's it's up there.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  What did she do? It says twenty-seven billion in this one.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Twenty-seven was misappropriated.

• 1:33:06Joe Rogan?

  Twelve billion was judged to be embezzled, most serious financial crime for which she's sentenced to death. It was a rare and shocking verdict. She's one of the very few women in Vietnam to be sentenced to death for a white collar crime. What did she do?

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  She, yeah, I mean, we could look it up, but it was amazing. She did it through a bank.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  She secretly controlled Saigon Commercial Bank, the country's fifth biggest lender, taking out loans in cash over more than ten years through a web of shell companies, amounting to a total of forty-four billion.

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  There you go. So I was off by ten.

• 1:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's up there.

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Twenty-seven billion was misappropriated, twelve billion was judged to have been embezzled, most serious financial crime, which was sentenced to death. Tuesday, the court said there was no basis to reduce her sentence. However, she could still avoid execution if she returns nine billion, three quarters of the twelve billion she embezzled. That bitch had so much money.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  So much.

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  How you gonna get nine billion? Give her credit.

• 1:34:02Joe Rogan?

  Imagine embezzling nine billion and be like, I need more.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  I need, uh, three.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  I mean, that is fucking crazy.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  But give her credit.

• 1:34:11Joe Rogan?

  That's so much money. You could literally spend a hundred million dollars a year for the rest of your life.

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:17Joe Rogan?

  You would never run out of money with all the interest and everything coming in. I mean, it's a thousand billion, so you have twelve thousand billion dollars.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:26Joe Rogan?

  And you're still going.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:27Joe Rogan?

  Or twelve thousand million dollars, rather, and you're still going.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I mean.

• 1:34:31Joe Rogan?

  So much money.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  You think she's gonna be able to get the nine bill back?

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  She's calling friends up. They're going like, we don't know you now. Cuz she had conspirators with her. She had family and friends that were helping her. And, um, yeah, look, so there's eighty-five defendants were convicted. Um, her husband, her niece, they were given, uh, sentences, but like, yeah.

• 1:34:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, her friends.

• 1:34:51Joe Rogan?

  So everybody was getting a little taste.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  Everyone was getting a little piece.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Little taste.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  It was a score.

• 1:34:55Joe Rogan?

  Fun. Nice score.

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  It was a nice score.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Hey, imagine.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  But to pull that off in communist Vietnam, that I know they have a little bit of a, you know, perio stroke, a kind of mixed economy now, but you gotta give her credit as a woman. That's achievement right there.

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  It is achievement. I wonder how she got caught? I wonder what was the, what was the thing she fucked up on?

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  She probably bought a diamond ring. You know, those chicks like diamonds.

• 1:35:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, did something. She had a fucking, yeah, giant Rolls Royce.

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. The kid in crypto who got caught?

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  Crypto?

• 1:35:24Speaker 02

  He stole a bunch of money from crypto and got caught.

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• 1:36:54Speaker 05

  Doing something dumb. He was just spending, buying Lambos, but wasting all the money.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  Somebody just.

• 1:36:59Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean, what Lambos is? How are you supposed to spend the money if you're making on crypto?

• 1:37:02Speaker 05

  No, but he stole like billions of dollars.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  That's exactly what it's for.

• 1:37:06Joe Rogan?

  If you make billions of dollars on crypto and you don't have a Lambo, you're an asshole.

• 1:37:10Speaker 05

  That's how you get caught, though.

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  Somebody, somebody sent me an email the other day and said that they have like, they hacked into my phone and computer. And they have videos of me doing disgusting things and jerking off and all that. And they said the only way that they can make it go away is if I, and they gave me a link and they said I have to pay them in Bitcoin. I have to pay them in all this Bitcoin. So I was just like, you know, I mean, I didn't obviously do it, but I was just like, show me the video.

• 1:37:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:37:35Speaker 02

  Show it to me. I'll repost. At this point, as comics, I would repost it. I would repost it with fucking links to my dates.

• 1:37:40Speaker 05

  I just wonder, you see how wild this is? The government does not publish how many people are on death row in Vietnam. Human rights groups say there's thousands. It's a state secret.

• 1:37:49Joe Rogan?

  Speaking of crypto, what's going on with that Hoc Tua chick? Is she going to jail?

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  What happened now? What happened to Hoc Tua? That's my girl.

• 1:37:56Speaker 05

  She's been missing for over 300 hours, I think.

• 1:37:59Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 1:38:00Speaker 05

  She went to sleep and she hasn't woke up.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  What did she do?

• 1:38:02Joe Rogan?

  She just hasn't been on social media, you mean? It's not like she's hiding.

• 1:38:05Speaker 05

  A coin was launched with her meme and she was like the front of it. I don't know all the details.

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  Is that a crime?

• 1:38:10Speaker 05

  No, no, no. The pump and dump might be the crime.

• 1:38:13Joe Rogan?

  The, the thing was, there was an enormous amount of money that was put into this meme coin by all these people. And then she or someone representing her side of it sold, like instantaneously and made a huge score. And then the coin was worth nothing. So all those people that invested money, like one guy invested a million dollars. Like imagine, you're like, oh, the Hoc Tua girl? Yeah, that's a sound investment.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:38Joe Rogan?

  That seems like a good place to put my nest egg.

• 1:38:40Speaker 05

  Some people for sure lost money, but there's, it was definitely out of time to just troll and be like, oh, I'm such an idiot. I lost 10 million dollars on this because I felt like people were trolling the whole movement of like being dumb and following Hoc Tua. But some people did lose money. I don't want to.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  Is she actually going to go to jail for real?

• 1:38:54Speaker 05

  That, who knows?

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  Can the SEC invest crypto like that? I guess it depends. I guess they can now, right?

• 1:38:59Speaker 05

  What she knew and what she did.

• 1:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like, what are the rules? What are the rules in terms of like? Are you allowed to do that? Like, is that unethical but legal? Like, are you allowed to have a meme coin? And it gets to like a hundred million dollars? You have a bunch of it? You just sell it all? And you make fifty million bucks? Are you allowed to do that? If you're not allowed to do that, what's the point in having fifty million bucks?

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  You do not have trust in the Hauktua coin? If I sell it? That's ridiculous. That's on you. That's on me. I even did the smart thing. And I got out when I thought it was a good price.

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  And I'm selling it to people. They should take that and run with it. And this will be the next currency of the world.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  I invested.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, like, if you think Idiocracy is... If it's a documentary, imagine if the Hauktua girl, it overcomes fucking fiat currency?

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  Well, have you ever seen how many coins there are? How many cryptocurrencies there are? And they had, some of them have really funny names. And people trade them.

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  One of them was called Buttcoin.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:52Joe Rogan?

  Hauktua judge. Hauktua girls, I like how her name is just Hauktua Girl.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Her name's Haley, oh yeah, Haley Welch, yeah.

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  Uh, biz partners are getting sued over the meme coin disaster. Okay, the partners are doing it. So, it was probably some people she got invested in. She probably doesn't understand all that stuff. She's only twenty-two or something like that.

• 1:40:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  It's probably the partners that went with her. They pump and dumped on her. And then she's left holding the bill because nobody knows who they are.

• 1:40:22Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:40:23Joe Rogan?

  So, scroll up? I'm just guessing. I don't know. Legal firm of Burnwick Laws filed a US federal lawsuit on behalf of the investors against the creators of the influencer pushed Hauktua meme coin, which fell on its face in the hours following its launch. Haley Welch, who gained notoriety this year with the Hauktua girl following a viral interview about sexual technique, facing a disastrous Solana meme coin launch at the start of the month. Not only did the price collapse by ninety-three percent from a four-hundred-and-ninety-million-dollar peak. Holy shit! Four-hundred-and-ninety-million-dollar peak market cap for a Hauktua coin? With the rug pull allegations quickly surfacing, but a cluster of connected wallets holding ninety-six percent of the supply led to further controversy.

• 1:41:08Joe Rogan?

  The hate only increased when it was found that some of the wallets were selling. Quickly, Burwick Law posted on Twitter asking for Hawk buyers impacted by the plunge to step forward to create a potential lawsuit. Now, two weeks later, the lawsuit has been filed naming 12 American resident plaintiffs who claim to have collectively suffered damages in excess of $151,000.

• 1:41:31Speaker 05

  If I lost a million bucks, I'd be in there fast.

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's weird. Isn't that weird? Like, there's only 12 people and they've only lost 151 total. I wonder how many people, like, all told, invested in the Hawk 2 coin? How many stone-cold retards are out there roaming the world?

• 1:41:47Speaker 01

  Oh, no, but this is inspiring. Should we do a History Hyenas coin?

• 1:41:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm telling you, do it and then...

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:53Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't listen to Jamie.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  Alright, alright.

• 1:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Do it, get it real high, and then sell. Make the money.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  Just fuck all those dummies that are buying your stupid fucking coin.

• 1:42:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  Yuck!

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  We're announcing it right now. The History Hyenas coin will be available. We're gonna launch it.

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  This is how you do it.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Joe Rogan?

  You can... This is a win-win for everybody. You're gonna have a History Hyenas coin, but the only way to purchase it is with the Hawk 2 coin.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  Right!

• 1:42:16Speaker 02

  Got it!

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  Right!

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  Smart!

• 1:42:18Speaker 01

  Right, so...

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  That way, everybody's a winner.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  Everyone's a winner.

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  Now, all of a sudden, the coin makes a comeback?

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Joe Rogan?

  Both of you grow, the rising tide lifts all boats.

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we can finally get Hawk 2 on our show that way.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:27Speaker 05

  This went viral. This is a video of a kid. He's in his house, streaming. He was streaming this online. He started a coin and then pumped it.

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  Look at this kid!

• 1:42:35Speaker 05

  And he made like 50 grand while it happened.

• 1:42:36Joe Rogan?

  He's pumping it, dumping it in front of everybody.

• 1:42:38Speaker 05

  He's like, he starts freaking out here as he watches it go up.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:42:42Joe Rogan?

  And he got to... How quickly did he dump?

• 1:42:44Speaker 05

  He doesn't even know what's going on. He dumps it in. This video's a minute long.

• 1:42:46Joe Rogan?

  He dumped it in the mini?

• 1:42:50Speaker 05

  He's watching it go up right now.

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  Wait, what?

• 1:42:53Speaker 05

  He just recognized.

• 1:42:55Joe Rogan?

  How old is this kid?

• 1:42:56Speaker 05

  I think 13.

• 1:42:56Speaker 04

  Wait, what?

• 1:42:57Speaker 05

  Maybe 15.

• 1:42:58Speaker 04

  Wait, I'm so confused.

• 1:43:01Speaker 04

  Wow, yo, it's nuked. Why is it nuked?

• 1:43:03Speaker 05

  There's people watching this too. That's the other voices you're hearing.

• 1:43:05Speaker 04

  Oh, holy fuck! Holy fuck! You fuck it. Holy fuck!

• 1:43:09Speaker 05

  He just, he just dumped it.

• 1:43:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, he did. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo!

• 1:43:18Speaker 05

  He has no idea he's committed a crime.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Is that a crime?

• 1:43:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  What is a crime? How's it work? How come Nancy Pelosi can make all that money?

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Everyone knows this is pumping up stuff, so I don't understand.

• 1:43:30Speaker 05

  I don't understand what the crimes are.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  I don't understand.

• 1:43:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand.

• 1:43:32Speaker 05

  I don't get it.

• 1:43:32Speaker 01

  There's an SEC regulation against that.

• 1:43:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, you got it's, yeah, I mean, we can look it up, yeah.

• 1:43:37Speaker 02

  But what about like when Tom Brady and Larry David got in trouble for the FTX thing? And they were just promoting, doing a commercial. How are they in trouble for promoting a coin?

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, it remains to be seen whether or not they'll be charged or whether be found guilty.

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  But how could they even be remotely?

• 1:43:52Joe Rogan?

  Someone lost a bunch of money and they said, Larry David, I trusted you. You were promoting this thing that I think is, that's the reason why I've never promoted any of those.

• 1:44:00Speaker 02

  Because?

• 1:44:00Joe Rogan?

  I've had offers to promote things like that.

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  For real money?

• 1:44:02Joe Rogan?

  I'm not interested. I'm like, uh-uh, I don't even understand it. If I don't understand it, like you're selling what? You're selling NFTs? What does that mean? It's an unfungible token. We're done. I don't know what you're saying.

• 1:44:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:12Joe Rogan?

  I'm not doing this.

• 1:44:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  There's like too many fucking bros that are out there doing this that, you know, the Lambo drivers.

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  This, this, it's like a fuckery culture.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  So do you understand crypto fully or is it still one of those things like?

• 1:44:25Joe Rogan?

  I understand it, yeah, I understand it. It's just like, it's weird that anybody would invest actual, real money in it. I understand Bitcoin more than all the other ones, but even Bitcoin is mysterious. You know, there's a lot of weird, I mean, they don't even know who made it. There's all these, there's a whole documentary on Satoshi Nakamoto, who's real, the identity is.

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  It's all controversial.

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  That's weird. You know, the fact that there's a certain stable amount of them, though, that's encouraging. You know, that you can't make more of them, okay.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  But that's exactly what artists do to give their art value. That's how you do, you limit the supply and then, oh, these are only 10 original paintings and this is what I'm charging because there's only 10 prints of these. And so you create the value by the scarcity. So there's nothing mysterious about that.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  Sort of, but it also limits the ability to add coins to it anytime you want and devalue it.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:16Joe Rogan?

  Right? So that's what's more important than like making it scarce so people like it more. It's, it is weird. That we, we used to be on a gold standard and then now we're just on hard drives. And we just sort of accept it. And then the government, like when they want to send money to Ukraine, forget about the fact that we're trillions of dollars in debt. They could just come up with a hundred and seventy-nine billion dollars and ship it over to some country. Yay, go have a good time.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:44Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, there's wild reports about the amount of corruption that, that this money is experiencing. I mean, this money has probably gone through more people's noses and, you know, and come out of more people's dicks. Like, how much?

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Where's this money going? It's so much, there's no way it's 100% efficient. Uh-uh.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:03Speaker 02

  You have Bitcoin, huh?

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  No, I don't understand it so much like Joe, I just don't.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  Stay away.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, just stay away.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:09Speaker 01

  It's like when someone explains curling to me, you know, the sport curling?

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  I'm like, I don't, even when I get the rules, I'm like, I still don't understand what's going on.

• 1:46:16Joe Rogan?

  You know, I was in Newfoundland, I did a show up there once and the place that was at was like a play, it was in like a theater and in this theater, apparently they have like curling shows. And so like, and you're walking down the hallway in the back to, before you go on stage, there's all these fucking photos of people curling. And I just went out there and started shitting on curling like right away and they were so bummed out. They were so bummed out that I...

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  It's like, it looks like the housekeeper Olympics or something. Yeah, they're just sweeping the ice.

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  Dumb.

• 1:46:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:46Joe Rogan?

  It's such a dumb, dumb sport. It's like bowling for retards.

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:51Joe Rogan?

  It's like regular bowling is too complicated.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:46:56Speaker 02

  But they're good, I mean, there's people that are good at it.

• 1:46:58Joe Rogan?

  Well...

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  I don't know how you're good at it, but...

• 1:47:00Joe Rogan?

  I kinda get it, cause it's, it's kind of like billiards, right? Or pool. You're rolling this thing, you're trying to like just roll it just enough. Just this feel, you get this feel to it, you're just like, let it go now.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Let it slide, sweep it, sweep it, sweep it, get rid of the friction.

• 1:47:19Speaker 01

  So that's what they're doing.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  Sweep in front of it.

• 1:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what they're sweeping. They're trying to get rid of the friction.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:24Joe Rogan?

  They don't need dust.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  They don't need snow dust.

• 1:47:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  From their skates.

• 1:47:28Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid.

• 1:47:29Speaker 01

  It's stupid, yeah.

• 1:47:30Speaker 02

  It's stupid.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  But if you grow up and there's nothing to do and you suck at hockey.

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Just curl.

• 1:47:36Joe Rogan?

  You play that.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  I guess it's the golfing of ice sports.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Right.

• 1:47:40Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't, golfing's way more complex.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I just mean like you don't need any real athletic talent to do it. Like, how do you retire from golfing?

• 1:47:48Joe Rogan?

  You don't think you need athletic talent from golfing, for golfing?

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  You definitely do, for the drive.

• 1:47:53Speaker 01

  You see these guys' bodies?

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the coordination of your body to drive a golf ball, Jamie's a nut. He's a, Jamie, tell me how much it is.

• 1:48:03Speaker 05

  I know, but I was about to say, like, there's guys that can, that are like paralyzed that can still golf.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's really like.

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  How do you golf with your mind?

• 1:48:09Speaker 05

  No, I mean, they can literally just swing an arm, they're strapped into a contraption that sets them upright and points them right. I've seen blind people golf.

• 1:48:16Speaker 01

  I mean, Nate Bargatze golfs, he's good, look at his body. He's got tits.

• 1:48:20Speaker 05

  But here's my point. I know what you're pointing at, to hit it 400 yards, that's 100% athletic and you can't just accidentally do that.

• 1:48:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, even John Daly, you can say John Daly's fat and all that stuff, but John Daly, when you watch him move, the efficiency

• 1:48:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  of his movements, you know, like we were talking about Mark Hunt, Mark Hunt's a big guy, but he's still fuck people up, right? It's still an athlete.

• 1:48:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  Like, a lot of these fat golfers, there's a thing they know how to do, they whack that ball and then, and they know exactly how to fucking put a little spin on that motherfucker, a little whist action on that thing.

• 1:48:50Speaker 05

  The difference between pro and being able to play the game is like.

• 1:48:52Speaker 02

  It's different.

• 1:48:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:48:54Speaker 02

  Something like, you ever seen Bartolo Colon, the pitcher for the Mets?

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  Look at, Google Bartolo.

• 1:48:59Joe Rogan?

  I thought that was a cologne you were talking about.

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  This guy's body's the best.

• 1:49:01Speaker 02

  Look at Bartolo Colon, if, if you pull up Barto, B-A-R-T-O-L-O, I mean, look at this guy, and he just threw heat in the majors.

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  Jesus, this guy.

• 1:49:08Speaker 02

  And he was just, you know? And he was fun about it, he was fun about being fat, he would sit in the locker room with no shirt on, eating cheeseburgers, nobody gave a shit. And he, look at this, look at that one, with the helmet flying off his head.

• 1:49:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, as long as you're good at that sport.

• 1:49:23Speaker 02

  He was good.

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  And that sport is a sport that doesn't require endurance, that's what's important.

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:49:28Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to do anything for a prolonged period of time. The, the furthest thing you have to do is run to a base.

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:33Joe Rogan?

  And if you gotta run to all of them, that's crazy, what did you do? Generally, if you're running to all of them, you can kind of trot because you knocked it out of the park.

• 1:49:40Speaker 01

  What do you think the sport that requires the most endurance? Obviously not thinking about like long distance running because that's obvious but like you know what I think it is?

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  I think hockey.

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Well soccer too.

• 1:49:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the hockey you notice how those guys can only be on the ice for like

• 1:49:56Speaker 02

  Two minutes shifts.

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  Two minutes and it gets so hard to skate like that.

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  Can't do it.

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just can't. Good point, good point. Soccer players stay on the field the whole game.

• 1:50:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they get to rest and slow down.

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  Even the best Gretzky, they can't, two minutes.

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  Two minutes tops.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  They have four lines, I think.

• 1:50:11Joe Rogan?

  So when they go two minutes, how much they take off before they go back on the ice?

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  I think it's like another minute or two, but it's multiple lines, like, you know, like that.

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  They just constantly go on and off enough because they just can't, because they have to continuously skate.

• 1:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Imagine what a hockey game would look like if they'd never let them use the bench?

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that would be hilarious.

• 1:50:26Speaker 02

  Oh my god, it'd be insane. People would drop dead.

• 1:50:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, they would just drop dead, dude.

• 1:50:29Joe Rogan?

  That would be wild.

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, they would be dropped dead.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  Have you ever seen hockey live and NHL? That, to me, besides MMA, I saw an MMA fight once, that was amazing, and then second is NHL.

• 1:50:38Joe Rogan?

  It's very fast.

• 1:50:39Speaker 02

  NHL, those guys on skates, whether you know the rules or not, it's amazing.

• 1:50:43Joe Rogan?

  It's a very, very fast game.

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  And the skill to be able to skate, I can barely skate at all, I'm barely standing up, these motherfuckers.

• 1:50:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  And it's the only sport where you're allowed to fist fight in.

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:55Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  It's written into the rules.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  It's encouraged.

• 1:50:58Joe Rogan?

  You're allowed to duke it out, which is so crazy, that's the only one.

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I think, uh, people don't really know where the puck is, and so they're just, everyone's just waiting around for a fight.

• 1:51:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have no idea. It's grandfathered in, the punching each other.

• 1:51:12Speaker 01

  Has anyone ever seen a goal when it actually happened in real time? It happens too fast. That's why they have the siren on top of the goal.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what I really like on TV where they have that circle over it? So that you know where the puck is at all times, like, just a lot of craziness happening.

• 1:51:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:26Joe Rogan?

  It's like if you're watching a football, if you're watching a football game from like the 30th row, and you're looking down like, what happened? Who's got the ball?

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, after, you know, after the ball gets hiked, it's like, who's, where'd it go? Did it go to him? They're faking you out, you don't know, unless you see the guy throw it.

• 1:51:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  You don't know what's happening?

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  And what about like old hockey goalies would do it with no helmet? And just get the puck, and then we have athletes.

• 1:51:49Speaker 01

  Oh, you see those faces, the way their faces used to look?

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  Do you think those guys ever sat on the bench and talked about mental health?

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Nobody told them what it was.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  No, they didn't know.

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:51:59Speaker 02

  You think they ever talked about their mental health?

• 1:52:00Speaker 01

  I think they had some struggles with it though.

• 1:52:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:52:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, taking a couple of shots to the head.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no question.

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, of course. I mean, you guys would be terrified.

• 1:52:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, look at that. I mean, that guy's blocking it with his face.

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  Yep, this is what it is.

• 1:52:13Joe Rogan?

  All the scars that he had on his face from his entire career.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  Terry Sawchuk. That sounds like just a badass name.

• 1:52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:19Joe Rogan?

  That is a face, man.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  Look at that, dude.

• 1:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if that guy gets mad at you in the bar. You're like, yes, sir. Bye.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:24Joe Rogan?

  I gotta go.

• 1:52:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't want that.

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  That's a guy who's seen some fucking shit. Oh, Jesus, look at his face.

• 1:52:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and he had a mask on. It broke the mask.

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  Ew.

• 1:52:35Joe Rogan?

  Fucked his face up. Jesus Christ.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  I mean, they flicked that thing. It's so hard, right at your face.

• 1:52:39Joe Rogan?

  So fast.

• 1:52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Who's the scariest warrior, like, from history you would never want to go up against? Like, would it be like, you know, like a wild Native American on the plains, a guy from Genghis Khan, a Nazi? Who do you, who would you be like, shit, this guy's gonna fucking kill me and it's gonna hurt?

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  The Vikings.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Vikings.

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  They were the biggest, and they were on mushrooms.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  Dude, is that true?

• 1:52:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  I didn't know that.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Those Iceland guys that win the World's Strongest Man competition all the time, like those guys like The Mountain from Game of Thrones, where do you think that gene line came from?

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  Vikings.

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  100%. Those were the dudes that were in that fucking boat with the dragon head at the front, and when they pulled up at your shore, everybody just ran.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it.

• 1:53:19Speaker 01

  But can I just nominate someone?

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  Who I've been thinking about? I mean, it's obviously not underrated because everyone knows about him, but let's just talk about the record. Alexander the Great, who led his troops undefeated in battle. He's the Floyd Mayweather of generals. Undefeated.

• 1:53:37Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:53:38Speaker 01

  Record. Never lost a battle.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  That's crazy. That's true.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  And conquered the known world at that time, took down the mighty Persian Empire.

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  But if the Vikings were alive back then, they might kill him and his little boyfriend, too.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  They had enough of them.

• 1:53:49Speaker 01

  I don't think so, dude.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  They killed each other a lot, too, unfortunately.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  And they were civilized, the Vikings, too. It wasn't... Well, but did you ever see the biological warfare when they would light the... I read this thing where they would... They would... The rats on their boat when they were going to whatever... Wherever they were invading, they would wait. They would get... Look for infected rats. Somehow, they knew. They would light... They would get close enough, they would light their tails on fire and then shoot them into... Over the walls and then let the rats run around and infect people and bite people or whatever and wait it out for like forty days and just then go in when the town was all dying of some disease.

• 1:54:24Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  It's another...

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  That's... That's a fact, baby. That's real.

• 1:54:28Speaker 01

  The Vikings were... They were brutal. They would even kill like the priests and the churches. They would do bad stuff.

• 1:54:33Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen Alexander de Gré's ruins in Afghanistan?

• 1:54:39Speaker 01

  In person?

• 1:54:39Joe Rogan?

  Dude, not in person. Photographs, photographs.

• 1:54:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:54:42Joe Rogan?

  Nobody wants to go to Afghanistan. That's the problem. Archaeologists can't go there to study them. But they have ancient Greek cities.

• 1:54:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  They look like...

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Like beautiful, ancient Greek cities.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  That are in the middle of Afghanistan.

• 1:54:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's sick.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  My friend who served over there was telling me about it.

• 1:54:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  He was like, "You go there, you can't believe what you're seeing." He had a bunch of pictures of it. It's like, this is the craziest thing. It's like, you're in Athens.

• 1:55:02Speaker 01

  That is crazy. The Greeks kind of nailed some stuff.

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:06Speaker 01

  My people kind of... Democracy?

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  You know what you really should read? The Immortality Key. Have you read that?

• 1:55:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:55:11Joe Rogan?

  It's Brian Murerescu. He's a scholar who was studying the use of psychedelic drugs in ancient Greece for the Eleusinian mysteries. Where everybody would go to learn about democracy and like, it was all... They were all like tripping balls.

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  And they've found evidence now from these vessels, these pottery vessels, that inside these vessels, they were drinking wine. And but it wasn't wine. The wine wasn't just bi... It wasn't just alcohol. They would mix it with a bunch of different psychedelic compounds. And one of them was ergot. So they found residue of ergot, which is a psychedelic that gives you like an LSD-like experience. So they were all drinking wine and tripping balls and figuring out democracy and, you know, like fucking the stars and constellations. They were out of their heads.

• 1:55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  And the birthplace of so much of Western society is come from that one spot.

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  When's the last time you banged out a little LSD?

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  It's been a long time.

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, you think you'll bang it out again one day before you go?

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  I would like it to be legal before I admit to that.

• 1:56:11Speaker 02

  Oh, right, all right.

• 1:56:12Joe Rogan?

  This is what I think.

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought LSD was legal.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  We have new, new, new, new, super illegal.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 1:56:19Joe Rogan?

  Schedule one. I think when we realize the benefits of these things, and hopefully it's within our lifetime, especially for people that have PTSD like soldiers, that'll open the door for that. And then they'll have clinics where regular people can use it, and then they can get over a lot of the shit that people are struggling with. There's a lot of people that could have a psychedelic experience and snap themselves back onto a better course in life. And if it's illegal, that number of people is going to be very limited. But like all things, it's going to have side effects. This is the thing, it's like there's no biological free lunch. And if you're doing something that's blowing your brains out, like LSD, there's a certain amount of people who aren't coming back.

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:56:59Joe Rogan?

  And that's real, because there's a certain amount of people who have a very fragile grasp on reality as it is. You give that person nine grams of psilocybin mushrooms, and you've got a real fucking problem, they might not ever come back.

• 1:57:11Speaker 02

  Were you able to snap back quick?

• 1:57:13Joe Rogan?

  You could snap back.

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:14Joe Rogan?

  It depends on what you're doing, you know, and when you're doing it, what time in your life, and what the experience was like. But it should be something that's controlled. It should be something that where you have places you can go, where they have a very strict protocol, they measure your weight, they know what the dose is to give you, you can do it in a calm and clean and safe setting, they're regulated, they have counselors, they have people that understand, they screen you to make sure that you're not on any psych medications first that would interfere with it. That's what we should have, just like we have hospitals, just like we have mental health institutes. There should be psychedelic research centers that are connected to treatment facilities.

• 1:57:58Speaker 02

  Right, there you go. I want to do it, dude. I mean, ketamine, that's what ketamine therapy is in some small ways, right?

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, it's very psychedelic. In fact, John Lilly, the guy who created the sensory deprivation tank, that was his vibe, he used to like to do ketamine in there. He would do intramuscular ketamine, so he would go into the sensory deprivation tank and fucking bang himself with ketamine into the muscles, because it would last a long time and just.

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  Just fucking exist in this other dimension for hours at a time.

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:29Joe Rogan?

  That was his thing.

• 1:58:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean dude, I want to hit a, we should do a sensory deprivation tank together.

• 1:58:35Joe Rogan?

  I have one.

• 1:58:35Speaker 01

  He's got one here.

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  You have one here?

• 1:58:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:37Speaker 02

  Want to hit it?

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  He won't do it. See, he gets a little, he won't do it.

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  I get a little scared of stuff.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's worth being scared.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  But that's not dangerous. It's not scary. Like, whatever weird feelings you have, if you can't handle it, all you have to do is to open the door and you're sober instantaneously.

• 1:58:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:58:52Joe Rogan?

  It's different than anything else.

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  But if it was a drug, if the sensory deprivation tank was a drug, it would be a very psychedelic drug.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:59Joe Rogan?

  If it was just a drug, when you, you lay in there and your eyes are wide open, but it's pitch black and you're floating, you're completely weightless. If that was a drug, it'd be a very popular drug.

• 1:59:09Speaker 01

  Now, when you've done this stuff, have, most people seem to say their ego disappears over the horizon type of stuff. They realize everything's connected. Have you had that experience?

• 1:59:17Joe Rogan?

  You definitely realize everything's connected. And your ego, you realize, is both protecting you and holding you back.

• 1:59:25Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:59:25Joe Rogan?

  Because your ego is like, you need a little bit of ego if you want to make it in life. Because you need to have enough confidence in yourself that you ask the girl out on a date that you're attracted to, or that you chase the job that you want. Or that you like stand up for yourself when you feel like you're getting fucked over in a business deal. Like, you need some ego. You can't be completely selfless. You're not going to get anywhere. But then, you have to realize that that, you're, you're very fragile. And your ego is protecting you from a lot of like, true understanding of the life experience.

• 1:59:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:59:58Joe Rogan?

  You know, and one of the most profound things that happens with psychedelic experiences is the complete dissolving of ego. And then you kind of see yourself and everyone around you in a way more objective way. And you realize like, oh my god, we're all energy, like feeding off of each other. And we're pretending that we're isolated, and we're singular, we're on our own. That's why like really ill people will tell you, I don't have any friends, I don't like people, I don't want to be around people. You know, I don't, you know, if you've, you've got a guy who's a fighter pilot, it's like, I don't hang around with fire pilots. Like, he's probably really depressed. Like, something's...

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Wrong with them. If you're you don't hang out with your peers, if you're not, you don't have friends, you don't enjoy camaraderie and community, you want to pretend that you're like this isolated, like dark poet or something like that, you're probably very mentally ill. It's probably something really wrong with you.

• 2:00:46Speaker 01

  Well, we're we're hard hardwired social species.

• 2:00:48Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent, and we enjoy each other's company.

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:51Joe Rogan?

  We we we feed off of it. It's the worst thing they could do for you in jail is put you in solitary confinement. The worst thing they can do, you're in a fucking, you're in a giant cage filled with prisoners and rapists and murderers. The worst thing they could do is leave you alone.

• 2:01:05Speaker 01

  Well, that's why I believe the internet's bad is because it's it's it's fake community.

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:01:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. And that's why people talk like a fake way.

• 2:01:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  They don't talk like they would ever talk if they were right in front of people.

• 2:01:16Speaker 01

  Right, right, right. And that's why I think it's bad because it's messing with people's sense of what reality is, and people are essentially disassociating when they're on there.

• 2:01:23Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:01:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:01:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:25Joe Rogan?

  And it's just, it's a very shallow way to communicate, and I think that if you do it like that all the time, your ability to communicate normally and the ability to socialize and just have conversations with people gets severely stunted. You know, like you don't flex that, you don't you don't use that muscle, and it atrophies, just like everything else.

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  It's just there's so many kids that are like completely socially disconnected other than the internet, which keeps them connected. So they're socially connected through technology, but completely disconnected through like human touch, being around people, fun, conversation, adventure, doing fun things.

• 2:02:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:05Joe Rogan?

  They just exist in the same area and just get as much coming through the screen as they can.

• 2:02:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  It's fake, it's not real.

• 2:02:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:14Speaker 01

  That's that's what's troubling, and that's what I worry about my kids. I go like, I want them to have human connection, long conversations, experience people's energy, looking at someone in the eyes is everything.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  You know, feeling someone's energy, like you said, it's a you don't feel anything.

• 2:02:29Joe Rogan?

  The problem also with kids is even when they're together, they're on their phones all the time.

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  Problem.

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:02:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And this is one thing about podcasts that's fucking amazing because podcasts are one of the rare times in my life where for three hours I have no phone.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  For three hours unless I'm checking something or sending Jamie something, I don't.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  And the people listening are also doing the same thing. They're connecting to you without doing that. Yeah, they're just connecting to hearing you.

• 2:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right.

• 2:02:52Speaker 01

  They're, it's like a radio, a long radio show. They're not like.

• 2:02:55Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 2:02:56Speaker 01

  Flipping through, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. Talking to other people and they're talking back and everyone's pretending like there's somebody else and catfishing each other.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  That's why I always used to like planes back in the day before wifi came around. Because when you were on a plane, if you didn't have a movie to watch or something like that, you just had to sit in that seat. And when you just sit in that seat and you know you can't go anywhere, I would get my best writing done.

• 2:03:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  My best writing, because I like forced to write.

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:03:23Joe Rogan?

  I'm forced, um, there's no wifi.

• 2:03:26Speaker 01

  Have you ever tried to go to the bathroom without your phone though?

• 2:03:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's horrible.

• 2:03:29Speaker 02

  I can't even pee. My, my, it doesn't even work.

• 2:03:31Speaker 01

  It's impossible, yeah.

• 2:03:31Speaker 02

  My detrusor muscle or whatever that muscle is that pushes out your pee, it won't come out.

• 2:03:35Speaker 01

  If I gotta poop really bad and I only got like one percent, I will go plug it in and hold my shit until I can get enough to shit through.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  I can't do it. That's why I think, that's why I think there's a, I bet you there's a spike in anxiety when we ask or people ask to have their, have to have their phones put away at a comedy show or a music show, whatever.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  I bet you their anxiety goes through the roof. Because they're like, I can't, you know?

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, people complain all the time.

• 2:03:57Speaker 01

  It's the best thing and you do that at the mothership, right?

• 2:03:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:59Speaker 01

  It's the best.

• 2:04:00Joe Rogan?

  It's the best thing.

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  It's better for everybody too. It's better for the audience member. It's better for you. It's better for everybody.

• 2:04:05Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. If you guys, if you were gonna get eaten by, would you, would you, would you rather it be an animal or a human?

• 2:04:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:14Speaker 02

  You have to get eaten.

• 2:04:15Joe Rogan?

  An animal.

• 2:04:15Speaker 02

  You wouldn't want a cannibal to eat you?

• 2:04:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't want some guy knowing he's eating me.

• 2:04:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you don't want him to have that power.

• 2:04:20Speaker 02

  That's interesting.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck that.

• 2:04:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:22Joe Rogan?

  Alligator. Crocodile.

• 2:04:24Speaker 01

  Quick, it would be quick. How about a hippo?

• 2:04:26Joe Rogan?

  Just snap you in half, you'd be dead in seconds.

• 2:04:29Speaker 02

  They drown you, right?

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just rip you apart.

• 2:04:31Speaker 01

  You don't want hyenas, teacher.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:04:33Speaker 01

  You do not want that.

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  Because what do they do? They eat from the back?

• 2:04:36Speaker 01

  Cause they have, they have no concern about putting you down, killing you, like a tiger, you know, a cat will kill you.

• 2:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Speaker 01

  Make sure you're dead before it eats you. Hyenas just start eating you.

• 2:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, same as bears, bears just start eating you.

• 2:04:49Speaker 02

  They just start eating you.

• 2:04:50Joe Rogan?

  Wolves just start eating you.

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:52Speaker 02

  Don't hyenas then throw up the food and then eat their puke?

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they're the only animal.

• 2:04:56Speaker 02

  True story.

• 2:04:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're the only animal that eats the full bone. Only animal on the planet that pulverizes the bone. Their jaw strength is such that they pulverize the bone and consume the bone as well. So when they're done, there's no carcass. They're the fucking best animal on the planet. They got pseudo penises, they're trans.

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  Transgender animals.

• 2:05:15Speaker 01

  They're fucking wild. The women are bigger than the men. I loved your bit about it.

• 2:05:20Speaker 02

  They smell too bad.

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  And we started the podcast because hyenas have always been my favorite animal. And we both loved history and so we just combined those two things, but hyenas are hilarious, dude.

• 2:05:29Speaker 02

  What was your bit about hyenas? I didn't hear.

• 2:05:31Speaker 01

  It was great. It was a long bit.

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  It's a long bit.

• 2:05:34Speaker 01

  It's a good bit.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  It's basically about the, they're a matriarchal power structure.

• 2:05:38Speaker 01

  Why that's bad.

• 2:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, they had to do that because male hyenas are such cunts, they'd probably eat the babies.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're monsters. It's all, but they, they, they're like a medium sized animal in a world of things way bigger than them.

• 2:05:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:51Joe Rogan?

  So they're living around lions.

• 2:05:52Speaker 01

  They get it done. They use, they use, they trick you, numbers. They confuse you, they're opportunity killers, they love to kill, to steal kills.

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  That laughing is real, that cackle, that's a real thing.

• 2:06:04Speaker 01

  They don't really know what it is either. They don't actually know what exactly.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  They're having fun.

• 2:06:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:08Speaker 02

  It's not even having a good time. Yeah, they're just having fun.

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  They're fucking brutal.

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  Lions are like these fucking hyenas again.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Dude, they, yeah, the hyenas just spoil fun. They show up and you're like, these fuck. You ever see when like a cheetah works so hard?

• 2:06:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:23Speaker 01

  Cause cheetahs fail all the time. And then they finally get a kill and then you just hear the, you just hear that and the cheetah's probably going, motherfucker. And they just come and they just steal it.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  That whole area, when you think about it, is like the proving ground for like biological life.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, how are you going to keep the populations in order? How are you gonna make sure the predators don't get out of hand? How you make, make sure that the, the hyenas always have to worry about the male lions? Look at that face, man. Look at that face. That face is so crazy. Yeah. I don't want to get eaten by that. Brushing jaw muscles.

• 2:06:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think.

• 2:06:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, look at that face. That's so nuts.

• 2:07:02Speaker 01

  They're a lot.

• 2:07:03Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that's the last thing you see before you get eaten.

• 2:07:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know why they're funny to me.

• 2:07:07Joe Rogan?

  How many people die from hyenas every year?

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  They eat a lot of people.

• 2:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Do they?

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, remember that picture that we saw of a hyena, it's got an elephant's foot in its mouth?

• 2:07:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just running around with an elephant's foot.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Fucking monsters.

• 2:07:18Speaker 01

  That was actually our first logo, we put our faces on that.

• 2:07:21Speaker 02

  Ah! And then we tried to sell merch at it and people like, "I'm not buying this bloody hyena for these fucking idiots."

• 2:07:26Speaker 01

  And also, it's not our picture to sell.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, how many people die from hyenas every year? Hippos kill the most people in Africa, right?

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 2:07:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I believe so. I believe hippos are responsible for the most deaths in Africa.

• 2:07:37Speaker 02

  What do they like, is there a village or something that like lives close to the hippos in Africa?

• 2:07:40Joe Rogan?

  I think if you fuck around and you get in the water near hippos, you ever see the hippos chasing boats? They'll chase boats, it looks like a fucking submarine.

• 2:07:47Speaker 01

  Super territorial.

• 2:07:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're rough, man.

• 2:07:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:51Joe Rogan?

  You think of them as hunger, hunger hippos.

• 2:07:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, we make the most monstrous animals the cutest. Polar bears, hippos, yogi.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, teddy bears. Yeah, every kid has a teddy bear, you're like, "You don't want a real bear."

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Tony the Tiger. Yeah, right? Tony the Tiger. How many people every year die, let's take a guess before we find out. How many people die from hyenas every year?

• 2:08:11Speaker 02

  You ready for this? I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say that I think in the world, 50 people die of hyenas and I think 75 die of cannibals.

• 2:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:08:21Speaker 02

  That's what I think more people get eaten by other people than hyenas.

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  1575 is my guessy-wesey.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  How would you, you'd have to count into places where people do it for revenge too, like Haiti. They eat people for fun.

• 2:08:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  That counts. Papua New Guinea. Yeah.

• 2:08:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:37Joe Rogan?

  Um, how many, I think there's a very low number of cannibals every year where people get eaten by cannibals. I would say it's less than 20. People eaten by cannibals, this is my guess. And maybe 75 people every year die from hyenas.

• 2:08:53Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go 800 to 1,000.

• 2:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Hyenas?

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  On the whole continent, Serengeti, I mean Africa, yeah, I'm gonna go.

• 2:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Every year?

• 2:09:02Speaker 01

  1,000, yeah. A thousand.

• 2:09:04Speaker 02

  What about cannibals?

• 2:09:05Speaker 01

  Cannibals, I think, is a lot higher. I mean, how are we ever gonna get that number? Nobody eats somebody and then goes and reports it.

• 2:09:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's impossible to know.

• 2:09:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:09:13Speaker 01

  But I think hyenas you can track, and I think they probably get hundreds.

• 2:09:17Speaker 02

  But ask Google, because Google tells you the truth.

• 2:09:19Joe Rogan?

  I bet it's not that many.

• 2:09:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  I bet it's not that many.

• 2:09:22Speaker 02

  What do we got?

• 2:09:25Speaker 05

  Took me a while to find an answer. I found one story where a guy was killed by some, it said it was the 60th in that year, but I didn't know what year it was.

• 2:09:32Speaker 02

  60th hyena or cannibal?

• 2:09:34Speaker 05

  Hyena death in that year.

• 2:09:35Speaker 01

  I was all.

• 2:09:35Speaker 02

  Wow, I said 50.

• 2:09:37Speaker 05

  Person killed by hyenas, I should say.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:09:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, this 1998 to 99, 50 people were attacked by hyenas, with 35 being children, 12 people killed.

• 2:09:46Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, only 12 killed.

• 2:09:50Speaker 02

  I don't want.

• 2:09:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm not seeing tons of good info.

• 2:09:52Speaker 01

  Alright, so I was wrong.

• 2:09:53Joe Rogan?

  If you're in that part of the world, you better be packing everywhere you go.

• 2:09:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, we need it.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  Bulletproof vest, shotgun, big bowie knife, fucking everything.

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:03Joe Rogan?

  You're walking around hyena country, you better be ready to spray.

• 2:10:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:07Speaker 05

  Says their attacks are actually kinda rare.

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  Hyena attacks?

• 2:10:09Speaker 01

  Very.

• 2:10:10Speaker 02

  Who gets people the most over there? Hippos? Lions, maybe?

• 2:10:13Speaker 01

  No, hippos, he said.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  I think hippos.

• 2:10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:16Joe Rogan?

  I think hippos are responsible for the most deaths in Africa every year.

• 2:10:19Speaker 01

  But you know who really is responsible for the most deaths in Africa?

• 2:10:21Joe Rogan?

  Humans.

• 2:10:22Speaker 01

  Mosquitoes.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  Which is so crazy.

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  They've killed half of all the people that have ever died.

• 2:10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:29Speaker 02

  Mosquitoes half, right?

• 2:10:31Joe Rogan?

  Mosquitoes have killed half of the people that have ever died.

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 2:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Malaria.

• 2:10:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, the most dangerous animal on the planet is mosquito.

• 2:10:38Speaker 02

  Like, is this our planet or is it their planet?

• 2:10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Hippopotamus, animal that kills the most people in Africa with an estimated 500 deaths per year.

• 2:10:45Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:10:45Joe Rogan?

  Fuck. 500 people get hippoed every year.

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  20 miles an hour they can run?

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:51Speaker 02

  That's real shit.

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's real shit. If you have a bad knee, you're in real trouble.

• 2:10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Cape buffalo, they kill, uh, a bunch of people every year. Uh, puff adder.

• 2:11:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  It's a snake.

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  Snake, I would, snake makes sense.

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  How many people you think die from African, uh, African lions?

• 2:11:09Speaker 02

  I.

• 2:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Every year.

• 2:11:10Speaker 02

  I was thinking it was gonna be a lot, like 100, but I guess I'm wrong.

• 2:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, if hippos are 500, it can't be 100. Like, let's just guess. How many people die from lions?

• 2:11:20Speaker 01

  If hyenas are, I'm gonna say eighteen.

• 2:11:23Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen from?

• 2:11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I-

• 2:11:24Joe Rogan?

  Think more people die from hyenas than lions?

• 2:11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 2:11:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was like in the eighties and it was only twelve people died.

• 2:11:31Speaker 02

  But who's getting close to the lions like this?

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Asshole.

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  Well, they also live out there. I mean, they did a lot of tribes like live out there. They're close by.

• 2:11:39Speaker 02

  There's a tribe, there's a village in Africa I saw, it was on Nat Geo, that hyenas come in and get fed there.

• 2:11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:45Speaker 02

  Hyenas walk into, you saw that, right? Where they, they actually feed them. So they have a deal and, and actually they believe helps keep them safe because the hyenas know they don't have to kill anyone, they'll just get the food.

• 2:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, these are good, these are coffee.

• 2:11:55Speaker 01

  Ooh, nice.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  The breakers.

• 2:11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Um, I think, uh, that's probably smart. Like make friends with the hyenas.

• 2:12:01Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  They understand.

• 2:12:03Joe Rogan?

  A lot of guys try to keep them as pets. You ever see the dudes who walk around with them with chains on them and shit?

• 2:12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be wild.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  That's a gangster move, you walk around with a fucking hyena, cause they're big too.

• 2:12:11Speaker 02

  Dude, if we ever do like-

• 2:12:12Joe Rogan?

  What's a hyena, like a buck fifty? So like a Mastiff looking size?

• 2:12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's kinda like probably a German shepherd or Mastiff looking.

• 2:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Bigger than a shepherd, right?

• 2:12:20Speaker 01

  Probably. I don't know, cause they're like, they're like wa, they're not that, like they're kinda compact, so I don't know, I don't know what they're-

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  Can you get them in the US? You can't get a hyena in here, right?

• 2:12:29Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you get them in Texas.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:31Joe Rogan?

  Or Florida. Texas has a lot of shit here.

• 2:12:33Speaker 02

  Like, could you bring one out on stage on a show? Like if you've got clearance?

• 2:12:36Joe Rogan?

  If you were Ted Nugent, Ted Nugent in Texas could bring hyenas on stage.

• 2:12:39Speaker 02

  He'll bring one out.

• 2:12:40Joe Rogan?

  He used to ride a buffalo when he was on stage. You ever see that? Yeah, you never see Ted Nugent riding a buffalo?

• 2:12:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:12:46Joe Rogan?

  He would, he had a buffalo that he could ride and he would ride it on stage. And like, he's doing a show and he's on a fucking buffalo in front of all these people.

• 2:12:56Speaker 01

  You know, Ted Nugent is the only guy who I've ever heard who made me understand meat eating and how it's no less moral than, he's the only guy who made it make sense in my head. He goes, "Oh, you think you're a good person because you're only eating the vegetables?" And then he talked about how many animals have to be killed in order to keep those vegetables from being eaten by other animals.

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Right. Riding buffalo.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  Wild kid.

• 2:13:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:13:25Speaker 02

  His son owns a, owns a bar on Staten Island. And I didn't know, and he was like, "Yeah, my-"

• 2:13:31Speaker 01

  Rocco?

• 2:13:32Speaker 02

  Oh, it was just, the kid didn't know he was his son.

• 2:13:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:13:34Speaker 02

  You met this kid?

• 2:13:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:35Joe Rogan?

  The kid that he didn't know was his son.

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  Ted Jr., and he was like, "Yeah, Ted Nugent's my pop." He's a really cool guy. And I was like, "Oh shit."

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:41Speaker 02

  He was like, "Yeah dude, it's pretty fucking wild."

• 2:13:42Speaker 01

  But you ever hear him explain that? And I was like, "Oh yeah."

• 2:13:44Joe Rogan?

  Explain it on this podcast.

• 2:13:45Speaker 01

  Oh, you did? Is that what it was from?

• 2:13:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:47Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I was like, "Oh yeah."

• 2:13:48Joe Rogan?

  There's a red curtain behind him.

• 2:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right!

• 2:13:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  And I was like, "Oh my god, like, nobody ever thinks of that."

• 2:13:53Speaker 02

  What is Ted Nugent famous? What is he, was he a politician? What was Ted Nugent?

• 2:13:57Joe Rogan?

  "Stranglehold, son." You don't, you don't ever heard of-

• 2:13:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:13:59Joe Rogan?

  "Stranglehold"? You never heard that song?

• 2:14:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:14:01Joe Rogan?

  "Here I come again now, baby." You don't know that song?

• 2:14:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, you know it. Play "Stranglehold."

• 2:14:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sorry. So he was a musician?

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  It's one of the greatest guitar riffs in all of rock and roll.

• 2:14:17Speaker 02

  I'm gonna be honest, if I know it.

• 2:14:20Joe Rogan?

  Come on, son.

• 2:14:28Speaker 02

  So far, it's not ringing a bell.

• 2:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Hold up.

• 2:14:32Joe Rogan?

  It's just picking up, son. Here we go.

• 2:14:42Speaker 02

  You know it?

• 2:14:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:14:44Speaker 02

  You don't know it?

• 2:14:44Joe Rogan?

  How dare you? Hold up.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 2:14:55Joe Rogan?

  I've heard this song.

• 2:14:55Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 2:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Now I've heard that part. Hold up.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  This is a huge, huge hit.

• 2:15:21Speaker 02

  I don't, I- I don't know it.

• 2:15:25Speaker 01

  Who's the best guitarist of all time?

• 2:15:27Joe Rogan?

  Hendrix.

• 2:15:28Speaker 01

  Billy Ray?

• 2:15:29Joe Rogan?

  Hendrix.

• 2:15:29Speaker 01

  Hendrix?

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  Hold on. Alright, we're good.

• 2:15:32Speaker 02

  Strangehold.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  So he was a big musician.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  Cats, Crash Fever, another big song.

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  Had a bunch of good songs.

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  But then what happened? Then he got into politics and stuff?

• 2:15:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's just a, he's a bow hunter and like very vocal about, you know, social issues.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 2:15:48Joe Rogan?

  Kind of a maniac.

• 2:15:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's kind of a nutty dude, but he's fun.

• 2:15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. So then how does he have a son in Staten Island that I know?

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, his son, you know, I think he didn't know it was his son, right? It was one of those deals?

• 2:15:59Speaker 02

  But they're close, they're a relationship.

• 2:16:00Joe Rogan?

  But he has another son, the son Rocco, that I've met.

• 2:16:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:04Joe Rogan?

  Um, he's a, he's a fun guy.

• 2:16:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:08Joe Rogan?

  I like him.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  It's a powerful name, Rocco.

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't agree with everything he says, but that's the case with a lot of people.

• 2:16:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. To each their own.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  I think Hendrix is the greatest.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:17Joe Rogan?

  When it comes to guitarists, because Hendrix changed songs with his guitar. Like Eric Clapton famously, when he saw Hendrix play for the first time, was like, what am I doing? Like, why am I even doing it? It's Eric Clapton.

• 2:16:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  Eric Clapton, Layla.

• 2:16:32Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he was amazing.

• 2:16:33Speaker 01

  How about Billy Ray Vaughan though?

• 2:16:34Joe Rogan?

  Stevie Ray Vaughan.

• 2:16:35Speaker 01

  Sorry, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jesus Christ. Yeah, Stevie Ray.

• 2:16:38Joe Rogan?

  Stevie Ray Vaughan was amazing. He used to play at our club.

• 2:16:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't believe I said Billy Ray Vaughan. I got him confused with Billy Ray Cyrus.

• 2:16:46Joe Rogan?

  Billy Ray Cyrus. Don't tell my heart.

• 2:16:48Speaker 02

  My achy breaky heart.

• 2:16:50Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ. Um, Tin Pan Alley is one of my favorite songs.

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen in the corridor of the, when you're going on stage at the mothership, those photos of Stevie Ray Vaughan? Those are him on stage at the Ritz.

• 2:17:01Speaker 01

  Oh, crazy.

• 2:17:01Joe Rogan?

  From 1983.

• 2:17:02Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:17:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he performed there, Punch Times.

• 2:17:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Willie Nelson performed there.

• 2:17:06Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 2:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, that place has some history.

• 2:17:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you could feel it, dude.

• 2:17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:10Joe Rogan?

  It's burned in there.

• 2:17:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:12Joe Rogan?

  I brought in ghost hunters to check it out. Sam and Colby, I brought, brought in ghost hunters.

• 2:17:17Speaker 02

  Did they find anything?

• 2:17:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:17:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, it's fun.

• 2:17:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  It's fun.

• 2:17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what's real.

• 2:17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:24Joe Rogan?

  But someone was murdered there. Someone was definitely shot there, I think in the 70s.

• 2:17:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:17:29Joe Rogan?

  At least one person. It used to be a nudie movie theater and it was a pool hall. So it was like a nudie movie theater, a pool hall, it was a punk rock club. There's like a lot of history in there.

• 2:17:40Speaker 01

  A lot of people of the night in there.

• 2:17:41Speaker 02

  Do you think it's possible that it was built on an Indian burial ground? Indian burial ground?

• 2:17:47Joe Rogan?

  It's so much better that you fucked that up. You know, uh, there used to be a swastika on the wall.

• 2:17:52Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so we, when we tore down, so there's like, you know, car, you know, uh, wallboard and you tear down the wallboard, you get to the raw brick and in the raw brick, there's a fucking swastika on the wall. And we're like, this is crazy. And so while we're building the place up, uh, you know, I come in like four months later, I'm like, hey, guys, why is the fucking swastika still here? Like, we're gonna open. Six months, you gotta get rid of the swastika. So they tell one of the construction guys to take off the paint where the swastika is. And so you know what he does? He takes it off in the shape of the swastika. So he cleans, so now it's brighter. Now it's like bright white. I'm like, hey, it's still a fucking swastika. Get it off the wall. Jesus Christ.

• 2:18:37Speaker 02

  Was it the swastika from like the Hindu symbol before Hitler?

• 2:18:39Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no. It was probably from the punk rock days. Somebody probably thought they were being.

• 2:18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:48Joe Rogan?

  Probably someone being a rebel. I'm a rebel.

• 2:18:51Speaker 02

  And they threw it up.

• 2:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they threw it up. They painted it on the wall and it stayed there.

• 2:18:55Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:18:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:56Joe Rogan?

  They never cleaned it up. I'm like, this is so crazy.

• 2:18:59Speaker 01

  That reminds me of the old punchline in Atlanta that had the Vince Champ.

• 2:19:04Joe Rogan?

  This is red hot, red hot chili peppers.

• 2:19:06Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Just fully naked on stage.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, with socks over their dicks. Remember?

• 2:19:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:11Speaker 02

  They used to do that.

• 2:19:12Joe Rogan?

  That was a good move back then.

• 2:19:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:14Joe Rogan?

  You get away with that. You show your pubes.

• 2:19:17Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 2:19:18Joe Rogan?

  Cover your balls and your cock with a sock.

• 2:19:19Speaker 02

  Throw it up.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Cock.

• 2:19:21Speaker 02

  That guy had good bodies, nice lean bods.

• 2:19:23Joe Rogan?

  They're still going.

• 2:19:24Speaker 02

  I saw a thing that said like hunter gatherers, what their bodies, not only the flexibility they had is unmatched, but they actually had bigger brains. You ever see this? That they actually think that they were smarter than us? They had bigger heads and bigger brains?

• 2:19:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, they probably had to process a lot of things. It's like, what is smart? Is it smart to just be able to use chat GPT and find answers to things? Or is it smart to have to figure stuff out about nature to stay alive?

• 2:19:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's different kinds of intelligence. If you take like the smartest guy ever and you let him loose in the Amazon, how long is he gonna live? He's not gonna live very long.

• 2:19:54Speaker 02

  Stephen Hawking's not gonna make it.

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Generally had larger brains compared to later human populations as the demands of their lifestyle, including complex foraging strategies and navigating diverse environments, lightly put selective pressure on the evolution of larger brain capacity for problem solving and planning. That makes sense. Expensive tissue hypothesis, interesting, which suggests that a diet rich in meat allowed for the energy expenditure needed to maintain a larger brain. Did you see those, you know, they found a new population of humans that existed as recently as, I think a hundred thousand years ago. But they found them in China and they have much larger heads.

• 2:20:36Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they found out like, they thought they were Denisovans, I think at one point in time, which also is fairly new discovery. They found Denisovans in 2010. But this is another one. This is another new species of human being that they studied, that they found rather, and they had large heads.

• 2:20:53Speaker 01

  Haven't they found like 12, like 11 different hominids now?

• 2:20:56Joe Rogan?

  There's quite a few, there's quite a few, you know, including the really controversial ones like Homo floreensis or Floriessis?

• 2:21:03Speaker 01

  What was that one?

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Those are the hobbit people, the island of Flores, they were little tiny three foot tall people.

• 2:21:08Speaker 01

  Little squeaks.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Little twinks. Late 1970s, yeah, there it is, Homo juliesis, juliensis. Fossils began of, belonging to 16 individuals were found in two different locations in China. They appeared to belong to unique species, thousands of artifacts, stone tools and animal bones. This one is the larger headed one. Is that the same one?

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Is that it? Cause it says in the late 70s fossils. I think this is large, I know I have a photo of it. Here, I'll send it to you. Where's my phone? I know I have, I saved it because I wanted to look at, yeah, dragon man, that's it.

• 2:21:48Joe Rogan?

  Newly complete skull discovered in China in 1930 is a basis for the proposed new human species Homo longi, that's it, known as Dragon Man. Skulls found in 33 Shanghua River in Harbin, China where a bridge was being built. Okay, so skull is a combination of ancient and modern features, including a large brain similar to modern humans and Neanderthals, a low forehead. Oh, this was it.

• 2:22:10Speaker 02

  But how do they know that these are, couldn't it just be like a weird looking kid? Like if me and Yannis were laying down, you found our skeletons, you would think we might be different types of species. I mean, he's got a peanut head and I have a head like a Cro-Magnon.

• 2:22:20Joe Rogan?

  Good point, right?

• 2:22:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:21Joe Rogan?

  If you found Shaq buried right next to Bridget the Midget.

• 2:22:24Speaker 02

  It could just be different people.

• 2:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:22:26Speaker 02

  It is.

• 2:22:27Joe Rogan?

  Good point.

• 2:22:27Speaker 02

  You want to talk about fumes? These kids definitely have fumes, Neanderthals. Oh my god, dude.

• 2:22:31Joe Rogan?

  What did they smell like?

• 2:22:32Speaker 02

  Must have been bad, dude.

• 2:22:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, big time.

• 2:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, here, here Jamie, I think this is a different thing. I'm gonna send it to you right now. I'm gonna send you the title. I just saved it on my phone so I could look at it later. I didn't really look at it too much.

• 2:22:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:22:46Joe Rogan?

  But they keep finding these new versions of humans.

• 2:22:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:22:51Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, how many of them were there and why did we succeed? Like, what was so great about?

• 2:22:55Speaker 02

  I think we were most vicious, right?

• 2:22:56Speaker 01

  Dogs.

• 2:22:57Speaker 02

  And we just killed off the other ones?

• 2:22:58Speaker 01

  Dogs.

• 2:22:58Speaker 02

  You think dogs?

• 2:22:59Speaker 01

  Dogs.

• 2:23:00Speaker 02

  That's the answer.

• 2:23:01Speaker 01

  I know, dude.

• 2:23:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're 100% positive.

• 2:23:03Speaker 01

  My street smart says it, science says it, like, it's, it's, it's nation, you know, in the understanding of how, but it's pretty solid that that's what gave us the edge.

• 2:23:15Speaker 02

  That we domesticated dogs.

• 2:23:16Speaker 01

  We teamed up with dogs and we had a symbiotic relationship and we were able to protect ourselves better.

• 2:23:23Joe Rogan?

  So this is it. Large head people. Mysterious new form of ancient human emerges. This is it. So provocative new piece in natures has proposed a whole new group of ancient humans, cousins of the Denisovans and Neanderthals, that once lived alongside Homo sapiens in Eastern Asia more than 100,000 years ago. Brains of these extinct humans who probably hunted horses in small groups were much bigger than any other hominid of their time, including our own species. This is it. The large head people, yeah. So that's it. It is that name, though. Oh, no, no. In the past, it says. Some scientists have attributed to it. Um, but that's not what they're saying. So they think it's a different.

• 2:24:02Speaker 01

  Densoovens is what it says. Some scientists have attributed the Juluren fossils to Densoovens.

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  Has there? In the past. So now they think it's a totally different thing, right?

• 2:24:12Speaker 02

  I didn't know people ate horses.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:24:14Speaker 02

  Has every animal been eaten?

• 2:24:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a lot of people eat horses, man.

• 2:24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, still right now.

• 2:24:18Joe Rogan?

  Shavkat Rakmanov, the number one contender in the welterweight division, says it's his favorite food.

• 2:24:23Speaker 02

  Horse meat?

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's from Kazakhstan. He rides horses and he eats horses. He's like, I love horse. He loves them all the way.

• 2:24:29Speaker 02

  You ever tried it?

• 2:24:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've had horse.

• 2:24:31Speaker 02

  Good?

• 2:24:32Joe Rogan?

  I had it in Montreal. There's a, there's a restaurant in Montreal, like one of the best restaurants in the world. Shout out to Joe Beef.

• 2:24:37Speaker 02

  Oh, of course.

• 2:24:38Joe Rogan?

  Incredible, incredible place. And we went there, Ari and I, we had, uh, I went with Duncan, too. We had horse tartare and we had horse loin.

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  And it was good?

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Fucking really good. It's, it's game. It's like wild game. It's like eating an antelope or eating an elk.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:24:54Joe Rogan?

  It's real similar. It's not bad.

• 2:24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:57Joe Rogan?

  But I remember it was on All in the Family. When the, the bunkers were poor, you know, they weren't doing so well. And Edith went to the store and she bought horse meat. And she served it to Archie and it was like a big deal. It's, I'm eating this horse.

• 2:25:11Joe Rogan?

  You remember that episode?

• 2:25:12Speaker 02

  I never saw it.

• 2:25:13Speaker 01

  I don't. But again, another good impression.

• 2:25:16Joe Rogan?

  I remember it was like a real problem in the family that she fed him horse meat. But they were so poor, they didn't have any meat.

• 2:25:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I, I just feel bad for horses. I mean, they lug us around for, you know.

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  They're also very sweet.

• 2:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Like they're connected to people.

• 2:25:29Speaker 01

  I can't eat them.

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  You can get connected to a horse.

• 2:25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. I can't, I can't eat horses. I can't eat dogs. I just can't do it.

• 2:25:34Speaker 02

  Can't do it. Dogs get eaten a lot, unfortunately, right?

• 2:25:36Joe Rogan?

  I think dogs and humans are connected genetically.

• 2:25:39Speaker 01

  I think so, too. I think there's a place in our brain that kind of matches up with them and like, yeah, we evolved together. Something's, something's up. It's magical.

• 2:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. My dog is, he's a part of my family.

• 2:25:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:50Joe Rogan?

  He's, I'm connected to that dog.

• 2:25:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  See, I don't want a dog, but maybe I should get a dog. You think I should just do it?

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Dogs are great. But you're a weirdo. You'd probably give him away.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  No, I would.

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  You'd probably say, I can't take it anymore. So I gave it to this Puerto Rican family and they

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  I did.

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  And they raised it to be an attack dog and I feel bad. Now he's attacking people.

• 2:26:06Speaker 02

  I would. I would. I, I, I gotta be better with dogs.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Like that fucking dream house you got rid of and you moved to the city like a retard?

• 2:26:12Speaker 02

  Like a fucking retard. And now I, and now I bought one that was too expensive because ChatGPT told me to.

• 2:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Why didn't you try to buy your old house back? Oh, you did. You tried to buy it back. He doesn't want to sell it.

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  They won't sell it. The guys won't sell it. But what can I do?

• 2:26:23Joe Rogan?

  What can you do?

• 2:26:24Speaker 02

  Nothing. I gotta just-

• 2:26:25Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that anymore. Call him now, when you have like-

• 2:26:27Speaker 02

  Tim and I talk about it.

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  He's a much more logical person than you.

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  He is. He is. His brain, he's more, he's more kind of controlled than me. I go a little wild and he kinda keeps me back.

• 2:26:36Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, you'd, some, I'm not gonna say I said it, but I don't know how controlled they are, but it was bought by a Muslim family.

• 2:26:43Speaker 02

  A Palestinian family on-

• 2:26:44Speaker 01

  Palestinian family.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  On October 8th.

• 2:26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:46Speaker 02

  After October 7th. The next day is when we sold it, October 8th, in my, uh-

• 2:26:49Joe Rogan?

  That October 8th?

• 2:26:50Speaker 02

  That October 8th. Palestinians moved in October 8th.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Boy, they move quick.

• 2:26:54Speaker 01

  Quick.

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, they came right in.

• 2:26:55Joe Rogan?

  I see the writing on the wall.

• 2:26:57Speaker 01

  Well, they, they see that they're in a, they see that they're in a place where they can accomplish it. So they're like, we can actually live there.

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:27:02Speaker 01

  And they just do it.

• 2:27:03Speaker 02

  So they moved in big. And, uh, yeah, and my neighbors were, uh, kind of mad that we just picked up and left. But what can you do? I had to go. I had to move to Queens.

• 2:27:10Joe Rogan?

  You didn't have to.

• 2:27:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:27:11Joe Rogan?

  You should've called somebody. That's the time you should call me.

• 2:27:13Speaker 02

  Well, now I'll know. Now I know.

• 2:27:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, please do. I'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about? You're like, you're right. You're right.

• 2:27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Right.

• 2:27:19Speaker 01

  He's head back though. He's head back.

• 2:27:20Speaker 02

  As soon as we get out of here, I'm gonna call my accountant, see if we can rescind that offer, or are we locked in legally? I just found out Trat should be T's liar.

• 2:27:28Joe Rogan?

  Do you get panicky?

• 2:27:29Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I get real panicky. I get real panicky.

• 2:27:32Joe Rogan?

  Yet you'd still do these compulsive things.

• 2:27:33Speaker 02

  I still do it because I think I don't do drugs. So I think I get, and, and so this is a gam- my father was a compulsive gambler and told me never to gamble. So I thought I escaped it because I don't know anything about cards and sports gambling. I don't know anything about it.

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  You do it with life choices.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  Yes, which is kind of a little riskier.

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people do.

• 2:27:48Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:27:48Joe Rogan?

  A lot of life choice gamblers out there.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  But now I'm looking for peace. I'm looking for my path to peace. So I'm trying to just, you know, be peace.

• 2:27:55Speaker 01

  Radical acceptance.

• 2:27:56Speaker 02

  Radical acceptance. Being friendly with my present, being gentle with life. We're trying.

• 2:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Therapy is bad.

• 2:28:01Speaker 02

  We're trying, baby. Yeah.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Scary.

• 2:28:04Speaker 02

  Scary.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Run mountains or something.

• 2:28:06Speaker 02

  That's what it is. Well, I tried to, but I got a bad Achilles.

• 2:28:11Joe Rogan?

  That can be fixed.

• 2:28:12Speaker 02

  I know, but I've been trying for six months.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  What's wrong with your Achilles?

• 2:28:14Speaker 02

  I don't know, man.

• 2:28:15Joe Rogan?

  It hurts?

• 2:28:15Speaker 02

  Well, I have tendinosis in the Achilles and they did the x-ray and they see some scar tissue in there. So they actually told me.

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you get stem cells?

• 2:28:21Speaker 02

  They, well, I can't get them in New York, can I?

• 2:28:23Joe Rogan?

  You can get them here.

• 2:28:23Speaker 02

  Here? I'll come down here. They told me PRP.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  That'll help too.

• 2:28:26Speaker 02

  Spin the blood.

• 2:28:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Platelet-rich plasma.

• 2:28:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll do that.

• 2:28:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you should get stem cells while you're here. How long are you in town for?

• 2:28:34Speaker 02

  I go home tonight.

• 2:28:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, damn.

• 2:28:36Speaker 02

  But I can come back.

• 2:28:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay, come back.

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Are you booked at the club anytime?

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  Uh, no.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  You should come back and when you come back, we'll set it up. You'd go to Waste Well before.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:28:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'll get a little stem cells.

• 2:28:48Joe Rogan?

  Cause a buddy of mine, my friend Evan, had a fucked up Achilles. It was bothering him for years. And he got stem cell today, gone, pain gone.

• 2:28:54Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was bothering him for years.

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  That's me. I've been two years with this. I have a, I have a growth on the back of my heel.

• 2:29:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, from the bone?

• 2:29:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, like the bone sprain.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Getting irritated?

• 2:29:03Speaker 02

  Yep, yep. And, and it's all fucked up. But I do have a clean colon. I had two polyps.

• 2:29:07Joe Rogan?

  Yay!

• 2:29:08Speaker 02

  Under three centimeters, we're good to go, baby.

• 2:29:10Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations.

• 2:29:10Speaker 02

  Clean ass so to see. We got our colonoscopies a month apart.

• 2:29:13Speaker 01

  Everyone should get a colonoscopy starting at 40. Everyone should get it. It's on the rise with young people.

• 2:29:19Joe Rogan?

  You know what you could really do? You could do a comprehensive blood screen to test you for all cancers, not just asshole cancer. Well, they have that now. It's a lot easier and it's better.

• 2:29:28Speaker 02

  You never did a colonoscopy?

• 2:29:30Joe Rogan?

  I had one once.

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  How dare you bring it up?

• 2:29:33Speaker 01

  Why? What's wrong with it?

• 2:29:34Joe Rogan?

  Nothing. It's fine. I think that.

• 2:29:37Speaker 02

  I didn't wake up that hard.

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  I think that if you go, I didn't have a colonoscopy, no. I had a, an exam where they go in there with their fingers. I didn't go in there with a, with a microscope.

• 2:29:45Speaker 01

  They didn't put the scope in there?

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:29:46Speaker 01

  He woke up during his cause he liked it.

• 2:29:48Speaker 02

  I woke up.

• 2:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Woke up with a hard on?

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  Swear to God. No, I wasn't even hard. I, I'm not even fucking around. I woke up, I woke up in the middle of it. Cause I just, you know, knew something was in my ass. I woke up, yeah. I woke up, I, I went Mateo? I fell back asleep.

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  But they can screen you with this, I forget what it's called. They do that at Ways to Well, too. They send it off to a lab. They take your blood and they screen you for like a hundred kinds of cancer.

• 2:30:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:15Speaker 01

  That's the way to go.

• 2:30:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. They got the full body scans now, too.

• 2:30:18Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to attach, there was some paper that I was reading that was trying to attach cooking oils with cancer. Specific kinds of cooking oils in colon cancer. Specific types of seed oils that things are cooked in and the prevalence of that and the human diet and how it's contributing to cancer.

• 2:30:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, colon cancer's on the rise.

• 2:30:37Speaker 02

  Why is this stuff not available in New York? Why can you only do this kind of stuff in Texas?

• 2:30:40Joe Rogan?

  You could do it in New York. I guarantee you. You just don't know the right people. I guarantee. You probably can't do stem cells to the extent. It's like, there's not a lot of these clinics because of a lot of FDA regulations and the way they work. Utah's a really good state for it. They have like much looser regulations.

• 2:30:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  But a lot of people wind up going to Mexico. There's a place in Mexico, they're called the CPI, Cellular Performance Institute. A lot of UFC fighters go there because they have an arrangement with the UFC. You could do wild shit down in Mexico.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  That's what Aaron Rodgers did, right? With his Achilles. He went down there, got the stem cells, he's good to go.

• 2:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 2:31:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  He actually got treated here. He got treated at Ways to Well.

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:31:14Joe Rogan?

  Aaron Rodgers did.

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:16Speaker 02

  So I should just go?

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you definitely should. If I'd known that you had that issue, I would have gotten you in early this morning.

• 2:31:21Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you. All right. Fuck, I'll come back.

• 2:31:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we just, Ron White actually just went and he hurt himself doing yoga. And he fucked up his ankle. They just treated him.

• 2:31:31Speaker 02

  And now he's good.

• 2:31:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, he just got it yesterday. It's gonna take a while for it's better.

• 2:31:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:31:36Joe Rogan?

  But it will get you better, a lot quicker than not having it. That's for damn sure. And, you know, I know a lot of people that have had like pretty serious issues cleared up.

• 2:31:44Speaker 02

  Like torn Achilles and they're good.

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Torn ligaments. As long as it's not fully torn.

• 2:31:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:31:49Joe Rogan?

  Then you definitely need surgery. You know, Achilles is a bad one because it's like, God, it's like, there's so much torque on that when you're moving. And then they gotta screw it back down to your bone and then it's gotta heal and make sure you strengthen it enough before you start using it. So you have to be real diligent about your rehab. Like, look how long it took Aaron Rodgers. He has state of the art access to Ways to Well. And he was way ahead of the curve, way ahead of what it takes most people to do. But even then, he couldn't really play-play.

• 2:32:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  That year. He had to wait until it was, you know, like the next season.

• 2:32:21Speaker 01

  Those used to be like career-ending.

• 2:32:22Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. And now he's good.

• 2:32:23Speaker 01

  Now they're just...

• 2:32:24Speaker 02

  I got, I got a, yeah, cause I've been doing like calf exercises and like strengthening all around and it's just like a year and a half. I'm like dude, the pain is still there if I explode too much. So, but it's also, I mean, what am I gonna do? I got horrific feet, Joe. My feet are horrific. My toes crossover. I have no arches. I have feet that look like they should be shoved into high heels.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever, did you ever work out with barefoot shoes? You know those like minimalists like?

• 2:32:50Speaker 05

  They have to custom make them for his feet.

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, where you put your toe into each individual.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  No, no, I don't mean that.

• 2:32:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:56Joe Rogan?

  You can get those too. Those are like the, the barefoot shoes. Those are.

• 2:33:00Speaker 02

  Those help?

• 2:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those are okay. Those are good. The toe shoes, I used to have those. Um, but the ones I really like are they have a wide toe box so your feet spread out and there's very minimal amount of sole. Just to kind of protect you from sharp things you stand on, but it allows your toes to move as individual units. So a regular shoe acts as like a cast. Like if you have like a thick sole boot and like a hard surface your foot sits on, it's like a cast. So your toes aren't really working. Your legs are picking it up, but your foot, your foot is basically atrophying inside that. And then if you work out barefoot, and especially if you work out and where you do something explosive like jumping and stuff with barefoot, then you're using your feet the way they're supposed to be used. All the muscles strengthen.

• 2:33:46Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people have very, very weak feet.

• 2:33:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't even move my toes individually. Like if you like Chris, move your toe. I'll go like this.

• 2:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Do this?

• 2:33:52Speaker 02

  No, I can't do it.

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow. That's crazy.

• 2:33:55Speaker 02

  It's, I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, it's horrible.

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  You should probably take care of that before it gets bad.

• 2:33:59Speaker 02

  See?

• 2:34:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's still like.

• 2:34:00Speaker 02

  See, and it's good. Ask me to move my toe. Say, move my toe. Say, Chris, move your toe. Somebody say it.

• 2:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Move your toes.

• 2:34:05Speaker 05

  You have basketball feet like I do.

• 2:34:07Speaker 02

  That's all I could do, you see?

• 2:34:08Joe Rogan?

  LeBron's feet are like that too. Did you play a lot of basketball?

• 2:34:10Speaker 02

  I did, yeah.

• 2:34:11Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's it.

• 2:34:12Speaker 02

  I did.

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's all that like smushing in the shoe.

• 2:34:14Speaker 02

  It could be.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is, Jamie?

• 2:34:16Speaker 05

  God, definitely. Like, I had to wear extra pairs of socks every, like up until I was eighteen.

• 2:34:21Joe Rogan?

  Fucking hoof back in.

• 2:34:21Speaker 02

  No good, right? But then you see on the ankle here, I got a little bony. Yeah.

• 2:34:26Joe Rogan?

  That's where it's fucked up.

• 2:34:27Speaker 02

  But I do have good hamstring flexibility, not bad.

• 2:34:29Joe Rogan?

  That's not bad. Congratulations on that.

• 2:34:31Speaker 02

  Thank you, sir.

• 2:34:35Speaker 01

  LeBron's feet are evil looking.

• 2:34:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:37Speaker 02

  He hasn't been playing, right? Did he come back to the NBA yet?

• 2:34:40Speaker 05

  He just missed two games.

• 2:34:41Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:34:42Joe Rogan?

  He's coming back?

• 2:34:43Speaker 02

  What happened? Did he hurt?

• 2:34:45Speaker 05

  Whatever. Who knows? He needed to get time, time to get his body right.

• 2:34:48Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right. The ment- yeah, yeah, timeout.

• 2:34:50Joe Rogan?

  What? Who knows? Who knows?

• 2:34:51Speaker 02

  Everybody, anybody who takes out of anything now, people like, "Diddy." That's everyone tries to link it to Diddy.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  Like a Diddy party.

• 2:34:56Speaker 02

  It's crazy, dude.

• 2:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Imagine like him regretting saying, "There's your feet."

• 2:35:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:01Speaker 02

  Oh, damn, dude.

• 2:35:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, wow.

• 2:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Just smashed up. I mean, that pinky toe is brutes from boots. A lot of kickboxers have feet like that, too. Feet all fucked up.

• 2:35:10Speaker 02

  Brutal.

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Imagine how many, you think about kickboxers, how many elbows they've kicked? Like, Jon Jones can't even fight unless he has his big toe on his left foot taped to his, uh, next toe. He has to have it taped up because he tore his toe completely upside down. When he was beating up Chael Sonnen. Yeah. And he didn't realize it until I was interviewing him after the fight, and then he looks down and sees his toes like, "Oh." He freaks out and he has to sit down.

• 2:35:34Speaker 01

  The adrenaline, he didn't even feel it.

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Didn't even feel it. His toe was upside down. Like, the bottom of his toe was facing up.

• 2:35:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:35:39Joe Rogan?

  It was horrible.

• 2:35:40Speaker 01

  I, I would probably say, one-on-one, him, anyone in history, just, just because of how skilled he is.

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  That's what his foot looked like.

• 2:35:47Speaker 01

  Oh, my god!

• 2:35:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro.

• 2:35:50Speaker 01

  Yo!

• 2:35:51Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy.

• 2:35:52Speaker 02

  So you noticed it first, though?

• 2:35:53Joe Rogan?

  No, I think he did. I think he noticed it. I think he looked down.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  Oh, god!

• 2:35:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He destroyed his toe.

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  So what happened? It twisted all the way around?

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  That's from the force of beating the fuck out of Chael Sonnen. That's what that's from. Like, a ground and pound, when he had him on the ground, just smashing down on him.

• 2:36:08Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 2:36:09Joe Rogan?

  Somebody isolated the moment his toe curls over. You could see it in like the replay.

• 2:36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  The moment his toe, just the amount of torque he was putting on to try to kill Chael Sonnen.

• 2:36:18Speaker 01

  Is he doing pruria or, uh, as- aspenal?

• 2:36:22Joe Rogan?

  Aspenal.

• 2:36:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  I think it's gonna be aspenal. I think they've, they're trying to come to some sort of an agreement. The, the rumor is that he wants 30 million dollars and, you know, the UFC's gonna pay it. Hopefully.

• 2:36:33Speaker 01

  I agree with him, though. Him and Peroria would be the

• 2:36:36Joe Rogan?

  Pereira.

• 2:36:37Speaker 01

  Pereira, sorry, would be the fight everyone wants to see.

• 2:36:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, perhaps.

• 2:36:41Speaker 01

  Because he's been so dominant, that kid.

• 2:36:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, perhaps. I mean, if it's gonna happen, they're both 37. It should probably happen soon. Um, but John is, you know, the heavyweight champion of the world, and Pereira has challengers in the light heavyweight division, especially Ankalaev. He's supposed to be fighting Ankalaev. Ankalaev is fucking very dangerous. And he's, I think he's the number one contender. And he's been on a winning streak for a long ass time. He's only got one draw, and that was to Yan Bohovic, who was the former champion. So, he's like at the top of the heap, and he's been waiting for a title shot for a long time, but he's been talking a lot of shit. And Alex doesn't like that he talks shit.

• 2:37:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  So he's like, fuck him, make him wait.

• 2:37:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  And so, uh, I think Alex just said that he's gonna fight in March, and that he's not gonna fight Ankalaev. Because if he's fighting in March, when is Ramadan?

• 2:37:29Speaker 01

  You're asking the wrong guy.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  I thought you'd be the guy.

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 2:37:32Joe Rogan?

  You'd be the guy. I know, but I thought you would know.

• 2:37:34Speaker 01

  Is he in the, I think it's in the summer, it's in

• 2:37:36Joe Rogan?

  February 28th. Okay, so, he wouldn't be able to fight. Ankalaev wouldn't be able to fight in March. Because if it's like March 3rd, and he's gotta go through the entire month of Ramadan preparing for a world title fight. February 28th, and it ends Saturday, March 29th. See, that's exactly during the time period where, um, he's gonna fight.

• 2:37:57Speaker 01

  And with Ramadan, for the whole month, you can only drink water?

• 2:37:59Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. You can't, you can, you definitely can drink water, and you can eat food, but you can only do it after sundown.

• 2:38:05Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Bilal Mohammed, who's the UFC welterweight champion, he observes Ramadan, and he was training and fighting. What, you know, he'd have to take a fight during Ramadan, so what he would do is, he would get up at like 4:30 in the morning, before it was dark out, before it was light out, rather, and he'd have a big meal. And then he would go to the gym, and, uh, then he would have no water at the gym, nothing. And then, at the end of the day, and also, he also didn't sleep during his day. Like, a lot of them, like, their, their hack of that is they just sleep during the day and train and eat at night, but he said that if you do that, then you miss out on the religious suffering, which he thinks is very important for Ramadan. So he would do it the way you're supposed to do it where he worked out with no water. Trained. Oh my god.

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  And then he would finally get to the nighttime session. He'd be able to eat. And then have a nighttime training session like a little later than normal. And so that's how he would do his day. Wow.

• 2:38:59Speaker 01

  That's why these dudes are dominating. They're just tougher.

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  Discipline.

• 2:39:02Speaker 01

  He started working with the Dagestani guys, right? And then he just turned into a beast.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, those guys are hard fucking core. They they want no distractions, no women, no bullshit. Get off your phone. Let's go to work.

• 2:39:14Speaker 02

  They're probably not jerking off, if we're being honest.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  Probably, probably.

• 2:39:17Speaker 02

  They they keep fuel, they keep it loaded up. Keep a loaded glue gun.

• 2:39:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Mm hmm.

• 2:39:21Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:39:22Speaker 02

  That's something about having a loaded glue gun, right? When you're going into the ring, you want to be glued up full of glue.

• 2:39:26Joe Rogan?

  Some people believe that, yeah. Some people believe that you're not supposed to ejaculate within a couple of weeks of a big fight.

• 2:39:32Speaker 01

  Didn't you not masturbate out of respect of nine eleven?

• 2:39:35Speaker 02

  That is truth.

• 2:39:35Speaker 01

  What was it?

• 2:39:36Speaker 02

  I, well, I wanted to go until until we found Bin Laden, the perpetrator, but obviously that was too long. But I did go until October 1st. From nine eleven to October 1, I said, as a my respect back to this country and patriotism, I'm not going to glue at all until we get out of this month of September.

• 2:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Didn't Louis have a joke about he waited until the second tower fell?

• 2:39:55Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Like he jerked off?

• 2:39:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's funny.

• 2:39:58Joe Rogan?

  I think it was a joke. He didn't make it until the second tower fell.

• 2:40:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:04Speaker 02

  Dude, I remember there was like a vigil, like on September 18th or whatever, like a week later in like my neighborhood and I was walking, I was playing basketball as a basketball player. And I was playing in the park. And I remember when I left, everyone was just standing outside their house with like American flags and candles. And I wouldn't dribble my basketball because I was like, I think like a sound or any type of dribble of a ball.

• 2:40:23Speaker 01

  Disrespectful.

• 2:40:23Speaker 02

  Disrespectful. And then and then a guy gave me a flag like as I was walking, as if to say, take one of these as you're walking home. And I just walked with that flag. I love our fucking country big, Joe.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay, Jesus.

• 2:40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:36Speaker 02

  I just love it. And I hate when people talk shit about it.

• 2:40:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, get ready.

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's gumming.

• 2:40:42Speaker 01

  We got some drones.

• 2:40:43Joe Rogan?

  Listen to Joy Reid.

• 2:40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. We should try to swap those things out of the air.

• 2:40:47Joe Rogan?

  What do you think they are? If you had to guess?

• 2:40:49Speaker 01

  I think they are, um, I was joking about the AI thing. I think they're Chinese. I don't want to say this on such a big pocket. I, I'm available to CCP for whatever they need me to do.

• 2:41:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:00Speaker 01

  Disinformation will do it.

• 2:41:01Speaker 02

  I think that they are sniffing the radiation. I think that that's the most plausible that, I don't know if they know about it, if not, but I think they're probably looking for radiation. I don't know that a nuke's necessarily going off, but I think that's probably what it is. If I had to just guess, if I really had to guess.

• 2:41:16Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 2:41:16Speaker 01

  I think they're being launched from submarines underwater.

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, that's what's crazy is like, if that's the case, how many submarines and how big are these submarines? Cause these things are the size of an SUV and some of them were coming from some like untrackable distance offshore, 50 plus miles offshore. And they're the size of an SUV and they could stay in the air for five hours. So what's the power source? And then the other problem is, uh, they're, they're not, they don't exhibit a heat signature like a regular drone does. So did they have some sort of cooling?

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  Is that why they can't track them?

• 2:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're having a hard time tracking them because of that. Like they're having a hard time tracking them with infrared. They don't know why they can stay in the sky for five hours at a time. Uh, Ryan Graves, who's a fighter pilot, was on the other day and he was explaining to us, like, there's certain aspects to some of these drones that are above state of the art. They're doing things that we can't do. The big one is the flying for that many hours. That's, that's crazy. Um, the heat signature part, that's crazy. They, all the jammers and all different things they try to do to find the signal that's on, none of that works.

• 2:42:17Speaker 01

  Why don't they just knock one out of the air? That's what I don't understand.

• 2:42:21Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question.

• 2:42:22Speaker 01

  That's what makes me skeptical to think that.

• 2:42:24Speaker 02

  Does he, does he think it's government?

• 2:42:25Speaker 01

  Could be American.

• 2:42:26Joe Rogan?

  I sent you something earlier today, Jamie, that I, I knew this subject was going to come up about it. Uh, I don't know. Uh, uh, there's also some stuff, like, is it real? I don't know if it's real. I don't know what we're looking at, but there's some stuff with like these orbs that they're filming.

• 2:42:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:42:39Joe Rogan?

  And they've, they've zoomed in on them and you look at the zoomed in version of you like, what the fuck is that? Like, what is that kind of thing?

• 2:42:46Speaker 01

  We don't, just don't know if it's real or not.

• 2:42:48Joe Rogan?

  FAA bans drones in parts of New Jersey, threatens deadly force for imminent security threat. These areas have all now been deemed national defense airspace.

• 2:42:59Speaker 04

  The Aviation Administration issued bans on flying drones in multiple cities across New Jersey, including several in our area due to security reasons. These areas are all now considered national defense airspace. Here's a map of those sites: the city of Camden, Gloucester City, Winslow Township, Evesham, Hancock's Bridge and Lower Islayways Township in Salem County, West Hampton, Burlington, and Hamilton. Unmanned aircraft are not allowed in those areas through January 17th unless approved by the federal government. The FAA says pilots who violate the airspace, meaning pilots on the ground as well, may be detained and interviewed by law enforcement. The agency warns that the US government may use deadly

• 2:43:42Speaker 04

  force against drones it deems an imminent threat. These restrictions come just days after the FBI released a joint government statement saying, "Most of the reported drone sightings were just airplanes, manned drones, and stars in the sky."

• 2:43:55Speaker 02

  Shut the fuck up. This news is trying to get answers on-

• 2:43:58Joe Rogan?

  That, listen, Donald Trump is not giving press conferences about airplanes and stars in the sky.

• 2:44:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Do you don't think that he knows something more than that?

• 2:44:05Speaker 02

  I was gonna ask, do you think he knows?

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  He's not staying at his golf course. He wouldn't go to his golf course because they were hovering over the golf course. There's a real problem. It's this is, this gaslighting is not helping anybody.

• 2:44:16Speaker 02

  Do you think it just goes out of the news one day, or we will get an answer, as the public?

• 2:44:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. You know, I would never have guessed that it would be this big of a deal for so long. How long has it been going on?

• 2:44:25Speaker 02

  Since early November, mid-November, I think.

• 2:44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, around Thanksgiving, and it's been the same, hasn't it been like the same type of year, same time of year, like for a couple of years that this has been happening?

• 2:44:35Speaker 02

  But not like this. It's never gone to like national news.

• 2:44:37Speaker 01

  No, not this many, but they were going over military bases-

• 2:44:40Speaker 02

  And now they're just going over New Jersey.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, pull the video up of the one that I got on my Instagram. So, I took this one from, I forget what the Instagram page is, but it's up on the page to give them a shout out. I don't know what this is. I don't know if this is fake. This is the one we were looking at earlier. I showed it to these guys in the green room last night. We were all freaking out, like, what, okay, what is that? The way the goddamn thing moves.

• 2:45:02Speaker 02

  My favorite meme of you.

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  So click on it so we can hear it.

• 2:45:13Joe Rogan?

  That meme gets used for so many different things. Listen to these guys talking when they're talking. There's no clouds.

• 2:45:19Speaker 01

  Shh, quiet.

• 2:45:20Joe Rogan?

  So you see this thing. Look at it on the camera, it's like a dome. So what you're concentrating on is the one in the lower, lower right. What the fuck? Like literally, dude, that's weird in the sky right there.

• 2:45:32Joe Rogan?

  So it's moving. Are we watching a shoot, a star falling?

• 2:45:36Speaker 01

  No, that's not moving quick enough, there's no tail. That's a UFO.

• 2:45:40Joe Rogan?

  Look, something's coming off.

• 2:45:44Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck?

• 2:45:47Joe Rogan?

  So, when it gets above, this is where it gets weird. Cause it's slowly rising, it gets above that other thing, which might be the moon, I'm not sure what that other thing is. I think it's the moon. So that other thing, it gets above it, and then... Look how the lights going off in two sides. It starts taking off, and when it starts taking off, it does it with no sound, at a fucking insane rate of speed. Like, look at that.

• 2:46:13Joe Rogan?

  No fucking way.

• 2:46:15Speaker 01

  What the fuck, it just went out to space? It just went out to space.

• 2:46:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:46:19Speaker 01

  It just went out to space.

• 2:46:21Joe Rogan?

  That's wild.

• 2:46:21Speaker 01

  Those guys are reacting like they're watching it.

• 2:46:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't know if that's real, it could be fake, it could be all AI-generated. It's, it's ambiguous and blurry enough, though, that I'm willing to entertain it.

• 2:46:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  If that's really what they saw, that's a bunch of different people seeing things like that over time. And this is like the Tic Tac story, this is the one that Ryan Graves showed us, that this lady photographed over Florida. That these things, and they've, they've seen it on, this is one that was, this was seen by multiple people from different planes, that this thing moved and then shot off into space, and this lady got photos of it. But whatever that thing's doing, it's doing something that we can't do. That, that speed that that thing takes off, that's faster than any rocket we have, that's faster than any fighter jet. That thing just shoots off into space at some impossible speed.

• 2:47:12Speaker 01

  If, so it's either us, the drones are either, well, why are they blinking if it's not us? Why do they have?

• 2:47:17Joe Rogan?

  That one wasn't blinking.

• 2:47:18Speaker 01

  No, but I mean the drones, I'm saying the drones are blinking. So I'm saying if, if, if the drones are ours, maybe they're, they, there's been like UFO activity, and they're throwing these drones, drones up to try to capture it with better...

• 2:47:30Joe Rogan?

  Or... What better way to distract people from actual UFOs that you know are gonna be all over the sky than to put a bunch of drones up there too?

• 2:47:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:47:39Speaker 01

  That too.

• 2:47:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. If you have a bunch of shit that seems like stuff that you've seen, like a drone, like flying around, and then there's stuff that is impossible with it, that's a good way to cover up the impossible stuff. Have a bunch of regular drones.

• 2:47:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. But at this point, why would they do that? Everyone's already accepted the fact that UFOs are out there.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Not really. If there was a big thing where all of a sudden the sky was filled with those football field-sized fucking motherships, like, people would lose their shit. But if you could slowly get people accustomed to it, the way people got accustomed to masks. In the beginning, in nineteen, in 2019, if you saw someone with a mask on, you'd be like, "What the fuck is going on?" By 2021, why doesn't this guy have a mask on? Right? Just in a couple of years, everybody was wearing a mask.

• 2:48:26Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:48:26Joe Rogan?

  We get accustomed to stuff. If you get accustomed to things being in the sky, and then all of a sudden, there's nothing, like, you could float anything in the sky. If you have weirder and weirder drones, and then start showing spaceships, people would freak out way less.

• 2:48:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:42Speaker 01

  I don't know, dude. If someone tells me this is a drone, I'm chill, and if someone shows me a football field-sized spacecraft, I'm gonna freak out.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  That's a big leap.

• 2:48:50Speaker 01

  In a good way.

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  What about, what about one the size of a car? That's definitely not ours.

• 2:48:55Speaker 01

  So you think they're just doling them out by size?

• 2:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. If I was gonna do that, if I was gonna get people prepared for an imminent invasion, like, if I knew that there was UFOs on the way, if, like, we're working at the James Webb Telescope, and we've, we get a photo of a mothership, and it's heading towards us, gonna be here in four months, what would you do? Well, if I knew that they were going to be sending drones and probes into our atmosphere, and maybe they've already done that, to obscure that, I would put a bunch of our drones up there, and have them hover over cities, so it doesn't freak people out, because you know that that's coming.

• 2:49:29Speaker 01

  I mean, being freaked out is probably the least of our problems when they come.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Well-

• 2:49:33Speaker 01

  If they're coming.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Collapse of civil disorder, of civil society is really possible if aliens show up. Like, if they just instantaneously showed up-

• 2:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Things could completely collapse if we knew that our leaders are just nothing compared to these new things that are visiting us from some other place and doing things that are impossible with our technology. We're helpless. We're lost, we're confused. They could shut down nuclear power plants, they can shut down the grid, they can shut down any weapon systems that we have. Instantaneously, power goes off. If that, all those stories are true, the best way to keep people from absolutely freaking out is to slowly trickle it in on them and get them more and more accustomed to this, like as a psy-op.

• 2:50:17Speaker 01

  How committed are you to this theory?

• 2:50:18Joe Rogan?

  Not very.

• 2:50:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:19Joe Rogan?

  Not very.

• 2:50:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:20Joe Rogan?

  I'm, I go all over the place.

• 2:50:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:22Joe Rogan?

  I think, according to someone that I spoke to, and this is someone who has high-level clearance and someone who worked for the government in this capacity, he said some of these are not, they're not human. They're not exhibiting, whatever they are, they're exhibiting technology that is far beyond what we're capable of.

• 2:50:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:50:45Joe Rogan?

  And then there's other ones, like Ryan Graves said, that are beyond state-of-the-art, but you can kind of, sort of, get that they would be a drone, but how is it in the air for five hours? How does it not have a heat signature? How does it, how does it know when other drones are coming near it, when they're flying jets near it, and they just shut the lights off and disappear? These things are just shutting off.

• 2:51:05Speaker 01

  Dude, right, this isn't, they're alien. Maybe they're alien drones. That's possible.

• 2:51:09Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 2:51:10Speaker 01

  Maybe they're just alien drones.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  Also, if you were an alien and you wanted to get people accustomed to this without freaking out, wouldn't you start sending drones that are similar to what we have, but just many levels better? But similar enough, so you go, "Oh, I know what that is."

• 2:51:23Speaker 01

  Or they could just, like, get on the TV and get like, "Hey dudes."

• 2:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Ack, ack.

• 2:51:27Speaker 01

  We're, but they probably, if they could get here, they know how to speak our language, and they just go, "Hey dudes, we're chill."

• 2:51:33Speaker 02

  They can morph.

• 2:51:33Speaker 01

  "We're coming here," or they just go, "Hey guys, it's over. We're gonna use, we're gonna, like, you guys have seen The Matrix? We're about to use you for some sort of fuel."

• 2:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:42Speaker 01

  Whatever they're gonna do.

• 2:51:42Speaker 02

  Or maybe they're not gonna be mean to us at all. That's possible, too.

• 2:51:45Speaker 01

  If they're that intelligent, they're not mean. They're not mean. People who-

• 2:51:49Joe Rogan?

  You mean like us?

• 2:51:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:50Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:51:51Speaker 02

  Or maybe, or maybe the prison planet thing I said in the beginning of the show, this is how it happens.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, you ever hear Bob Lazar talk about one of the most disturbing things that he found?

• 2:51:59Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:51:59Joe Rogan?

  No. One of the most disturbing things when he was doing the back engineering program on this supposed crashed alien spaceship, or, or recovered alien spaceship, was that they had a thick binder that was about religion. And the thing, we'll have him play it. We'll have him play it, because it's one of those ones we've played a few times. But it's, the Babazars story is the craziest. Because if he was telling the truth, and it seems like he's definitely telling the truth about a lot, he definitely worked at Los Alamos Labs. He was on the employee roster, he has a detailed understanding of the building, he knew all the security people when they took him there. When George Knapp took him on a tour through there. He definitely worked there, and he definitely was a propulsion expert. And he says they hired him to go and try to figure out this fucking thing. Here, listen to this.

• 2:52:43Speaker 01

  The hardcore thing is that there is an extremely classified document dealing with religion, and it's about that thing. Period. But why would there be any classified material dealing with religion?

• 2:52:56Speaker 01

  I want to go back to the religion thing. I want you to say it.

• 2:53:01Speaker 01

  It's just, it's so, it's so far out, it's, uh... Alright, your objection has been noted. Okay. What does it say? That we're containers. That's how, that's how supposedly the aliens look at us. That we are nothing but containers. Containers of? Containers. Maybe containers of souls, you can come up with whatever theory you want, that we're containers. And that's how we're mentioned in the documents. Um, that religion was specifically created, so we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers.

• 2:53:35Joe Rogan?

  That's, uh, George, that's George Knapp, by the way. Shout out to George Knapp.

• 2:53:39Speaker 02

  I'm too freaked out. But it's, it's, but it's kind of what you were talking about. The prison planet theory doesn't seem so crazy if that the advanced alien race is eating our negative emotions, just don't be negative. And you'll be saved, dude. Just be happy. That's what they've been trying to tell, Bob Marley, everybody's been trying to tell you this.

• 2:53:54Joe Rogan?

  What is this, Jamie? What'd he show me here?

• 2:53:55Speaker 05

  I believe that video you posted is from April, from what I'm finding.

• 2:53:58Joe Rogan?

  April 12th, 2024, at Mountain Standard Time in eastern Arizona on the, off the Black River in the White Mountains. The Fort Apache Indian Reservation. And, oh, by the way, my friend, uh, Cam Haynes, he hunts at, uh, one of the Apache reservations. He says they see them there all the time.

• 2:54:16Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  He said they see crazy shit in the sky all the time. These guys are hunting out there in, you know, this enormous reservation. Like, unbelievable, pristine forest land. He said they see crazy shit. And they just accept it, that it's true.

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  Right, I believe that.

• 2:54:33Joe Rogan?

  Most of the guys working there have seen something. Yeah.

• 2:54:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that makes sense to me.

• 2:54:37Joe Rogan?

  That's also where Travis Walton, this guy, that was in Arizona too, wasn't it Jamie?

• 2:54:41Speaker 05

  You guys, this version of the video, you can almost make out the moon. I don't know if this is better because it's been reposted less, but.

• 2:54:47Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, it does look better. It definitely looks better. So this is the same thing.

• 2:54:51Speaker 01

  Are you freaked out by this?

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:54:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but not enough that it's gonna fuck up my day.

• 2:54:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:56Joe Rogan?

  Right? Because it freaks me out, but it's not freaking me out like I can't sleep.

• 2:55:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:55:01Joe Rogan?

  It's freaking me out, like, like Ukraine freaks me out where I can't sleep.

• 2:55:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, that stuff freaks me out. The looking for a nuke in the east coast, that freaks me out. We're all fuck with my sleep. If I think about that before I go to bed, the one thing that I genuinely, like, here it takes off. Let's take a look at it while it's taking off.

• 2:55:19Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:55:20Joe Rogan?

  And this is the thing, it's like, there's no sound. Look at, look how fast it's going.

• 2:55:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, what could go that fast? What the fuck can go that fast?

• 2:55:32Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  That is insane. That has to be, I don't want to guess how many thousands of miles an hour that thing is going, but if you were a person inside, you're jello.

• 2:55:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:55:43Joe Rogan?

  If you're going that fast.

• 2:55:44Speaker 01

  Paul Verzi's dad and mom saw it, and it was not only the dad, mom, it was like, uh, an aunt, they were all there. And I asked his mom, she's like a religious person, and she said, yeah, I mean, and they said, it was low, had lights on it, the father, and the father is, you know, a Bronx Italian guy. And he said he doesn't believe in that stuff. And it was low, like above the tree line, he made it out. It was a saucer, and then he said it shot up and turned into a dot in the sky.

• 2:56:10Speaker 02

  And this was in the eighties or something.

• 2:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Did you guys ever hear the Betty and Barney Hill story?

• 2:56:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Betty and Barney Hill were a couple in, I think it was the nineteen fifties.

• 2:56:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, I know the story.

• 2:56:20Joe Rogan?

  They were the first abduction story.

• 2:56:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:22Joe Rogan?

  And they did hypnotic regression, and they both had the same story that they were taking, they saw something in the sky, they pulled over their car, and then they woke up, and they don't know what the fuck happened.

• 2:56:30Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:56:31Joe Rogan?

  But they were haunted by this, and they have hypnotic regression, and they tell this crazy story about being taken aboard this craft. It's very similar to Travis Walton's story. It's very similar to a bunch of stories of abduction.

• 2:56:42Speaker 01

  And what is this, like they get tested on, like, or they just don't remember anything?

• 2:56:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's hard to say when you're dealing with hypnotic, because the thing about these, when you're recalling things through hypnosis is like, people are very susceptible to someone imparting a memory into them. So you'd have to know, like, what was the process like in which you interviewed these people. But John Mack, who is a psychologist from Harvard, wrote a book called Abduction that I read in the 1990s, that detailed all the different people that he worked on, that he was, you know, having these hypnotic regression sessions with these people. And they were all telling these similar stories about being abducted. And that he believed that there was a few people in, on earth where they would revisit,

• 2:57:30Joe Rogan?

  they would find, just like we do with animals, where we put collars on them, right? They catch, like, a mountain lion, they'll put a collar on that mountain lion so they can understand where the mountain lion's going, where his terrain is. They do it with wolves, when they relocate them, they put collars on them, so they know where they are all the time. And it makes sense that they would probably want to understand us, so they would pick certain ones. And if they had a way to silence your memories and, you know, completely put you in some sort of a state where they could manipulate you and take you to someplace and do examinations on you and then put you back with no memory of it, other than these, like, weird nightmares, that makes sense.

• 2:58:11Speaker 01

  Well, it shows that they're compassionate if they put you back.

• 2:58:14Joe Rogan?

  I guess, or that, you know, this is how they study you. They want to know. I mean, there's no stories of them stealing people, right? They just, they always bring you back. But, like, what are the, if that's real, like, what, what's the purpose of it? Like, what are they doing? I would imagine they're studying us the same, like, if we could study chimps, and the chimps had no idea, we studied them, like, we would do that. Instead, we dart them. We dart them, and then they wake up, and they're like, what the fuck? You know, but that's, that's how we do it. And they would probably do it in a real similar way, just more sophisticated.

• 2:58:43Speaker 01

  How about that other abduction story about the, those guys, they were like those rural guys in the 70s or something?

• 2:58:49Joe Rogan?

  Travis Walton.

• 2:58:49Speaker 01

  Oh, that was him?

• 2:58:50Joe Rogan?

  That's the Arizona story, the logger, yeah.

• 2:58:52Speaker 01

  Those guys, I believe them.

• 2:58:53Joe Rogan?

  That story is crazy, because the other guys in the truck, one of the guys hated him. He got in a fistfight with that guy the day of the abduction. He still told the same story that everybody told. He walked up to this craft, they saw it flying through the air. Wasn't that in Arizona, too? Was it Travis Walton case in Arizona? I believe it was. Arizona's a hotspot for it. I mean, that's the Phoenix Lights, you know?

• 2:59:14Speaker 01

  Phoenix Lights was crazy.

• 2:59:15Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:59:16Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 2:59:17Speaker 02

  And a lot of people saw that.

• 2:59:18Joe Rogan?

  Thousands of people saw it, including the fucking governor.

• 2:59:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:59:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:22Speaker 02

  So then why is this one catching on in the news?

• 2:59:24Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's more. It's, this is more prevalent and it's lasting for days and days and days.

• 2:59:29Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 2:59:30Joe Rogan?

  And I don't know. I don't know what's going on.

• 2:59:32Speaker 01

  Do you think they just wanna be there for the inauguration?

• 2:59:34Joe Rogan?

  Ah!

• 2:59:35Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're really early. They're like fucking tailgating.

• 2:59:38Speaker 01

  They're, yeah, they're tailgating.

• 2:59:39Speaker 02

  We're gonna be tailgating the inauguration.

• 2:59:41Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna be there.

• 2:59:42Speaker 02

  We're gonna be there.

• 2:59:42Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna be close.

• 2:59:43Speaker 01

  July, uh, I'm sorry.

• 2:59:45Speaker 02

  January 18th, we're doing a show in Washington, uh, DC at the Lincoln Theater, our History Hanya's live show and we, and we're live.

• 2:59:52Joe Rogan?

  Bring a Geiger counter.

• 2:59:53Speaker 02

  Well, we said, we were like, why 20, two days before the inauguration, we were like, what the fuck are we doing?

• 2:59:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're doing a live, the first live History Hanya's show.

• 2:59:59Speaker 02

  January 18th.

• 3:00:00Speaker 01

  January 18th, Washington DC.

• 3:00:02Speaker 02

  In DC, it'll be fine. I mean, but we were like, fuck it. Oh, who knows?

• 3:00:05Joe Rogan?

  Better than January 21st, that one I wouldn't count on being there.

• 3:00:08Speaker 02

  We're doing it at 5 o'clock in the afternoon. I, I like doing earlier shows now. You ever do that? You ever do like a 5 PM?

• 3:00:13Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:00:14Speaker 02

  That's what I, we think that's where the world's going with like, we don't think people wanna be out till midnight, 1 AM anymore. What do you think? You think that's stupid? You think earlier shows work? Would you experiment with them?

• 3:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, sure. I mean, Burt Kreischer's always done like afternoon shows, like Take the Day Off Work Show. He's done a bunch of those. Yeah, Burt's been doing those for years.

• 3:00:32Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't, I didn't even know that.

• 3:00:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, Doug Stanhope does those day drinking shows. He actually filmed one at the mothership.

• 3:00:39Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 3:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Did some day drinking shows. Yeah, I mean, why not? I mean, the club is there all day long. Why not have shows during the day if you want to?

• 3:00:45Speaker 02

  If you want, if you can sell them at, if you.

• 3:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Especially it's dark out. If it's, the club's dark as shit. It does, it's dark when it's noon, you know? It's like, you could totally have the same experience at noon that you could at night, but it seems like at nighttime, people are off work, you get a couple of cocktails, you know, get a little loose, sit in the dark, have a good time.

• 3:01:05Speaker 02

  But on a Saturday, sometimes I feel like people just sit around all day and wait for the show. If you can put it at 5 o'clock, why not?

• 3:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Sure. Look, that's why they like to go to football games, right?

• 3:01:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:01:12Joe Rogan?

  During the afternoon?

• 3:01:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:14Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you certainly could. You certainly could have day shows.

• 3:01:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you have a big name. You know, if someone, they're willing to do something during, like, most of the people like to go out at night. You know, like to go to dinner, get a couple of drinks, go to a show. That's a nighttime thing.

• 3:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:27Joe Rogan?

  But that's just, they're just accustomed to it, especially if it's Saturday or Sunday. You totally could get away with it.

• 3:01:32Speaker 02

  I'm just a morning baby. I like to wake up early and then I like to-

• 3:01:35Joe Rogan?

  What time do you get up?

• 3:01:35Speaker 02

  I'm a 6 a.m. little baby boy that wakes up-

• 3:01:37Joe Rogan?

  How long before you'll get your phone?

• 3:01:38Speaker 02

  Uh, what, what, I used to wait, look at it right away, but now I give myself 15 minutes.

• 3:01:43Joe Rogan?

  15 solid minutes?

• 3:01:44Speaker 02

  I give 15 minutes and I get my feet on the floor and I just try to-

• 3:01:46Joe Rogan?

  What if you have to piss?

• 3:01:47Speaker 02

  Uh, well, I, um-

• 3:01:49Joe Rogan?

  You don't piss without your phone. Stop lying.

• 3:01:51Speaker 02

  Let me think about that.

• 3:01:52Joe Rogan?

  If you get up in the middle of the night to piss, do you grab your phone?

• 3:01:54Speaker 02

  That I don't do, because I'm in a slumber, so I'm, I'm kind of just, it's kind of like, you know, I'm in a, in a slumber state of piss. But you're right, when I do get up, when I do get, actually, I never really have to piss in, in the morning when I wake up, because I do piss in the middle of the night. But that is a good point. I typically, if I have to piss, I do take my phone, that's a good point. But for mostly, if I don't have to piss, I will go 15 minutes, I try to do it. And I just try to breathe and get friendly with the present.

• 3:02:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Get friendly with the present.

• 3:02:18Speaker 02

  You gotta do it, baby.

• 3:02:19Speaker 01

  Do you do any meditation or mindfulness stuff?

• 3:02:21Joe Rogan?

  Sure, yeah, yeah.

• 3:02:21Speaker 01

  So good.

• 3:02:22Speaker 02

  Every day?

• 3:02:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I, I do a lot of different things that also act like that, like my time in the sauna. I think that's very meditative, you know, especially when I'm just concentrating on breathing and getting through the last 10, 15 minutes. Cold plunge, I think that's a very meditative state too, because you're also, you have to be in control of your emotions and your anxiety, because you want to get the fuck out of there. And you have to just stare at the clock, you know, and make sure you do your time. But also, other things that I do, yeah.

• 3:02:50Speaker 02

  What do you stay, how long in the cold plunge?

• 3:02:52Joe Rogan?

  3 minutes.

• 3:02:52Speaker 02

  3 minutes, not bad. Yeah, that's right, yeah. I'm, I can, I'm never trying, I can't even do a cold shower.

• 3:02:58Speaker 01

  Dude, I can't believe we're doing maybe the last podcast on earth after an alien invasion is coming.

• 3:03:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't think those aliens are gonna stop podcasting. I think they like podcasts.

• 3:03:06Speaker 01

  They like it, right?

• 3:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:07Speaker 01

  They're gonna love yours, for sure. You're an advocate for them.

• 3:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so I'm on their side.

• 3:03:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:03:11Joe Rogan?

  Come, come visit me.

• 3:03:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:03:13Joe Rogan?

  I'm shocked that they haven't visited me yet. I'm upset.

• 3:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:03:16Speaker 02

  Maybe they'll come.

• 3:03:16Speaker 01

  You wouldn't be freaked out, right?

• 3:03:18Joe Rogan?

  I would definitely be freaked out.

• 3:03:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, how do you not be freaked out when you're confronted with the thing that everybody's wondered forever? Are we alone?

• 3:03:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:03:26Joe Rogan?

  And if you know you're definitely not alone, no matter who you are and what you say, I don't care if you're the baddest motherfucker on the planet, you run into an alien, you're gonna freak out.

• 3:03:33Speaker 01

  But why is that not comforting? Like, I'm a kid who doesn't like loneliness and it'd be nice to know that there's other things out there.

• 3:03:40Joe Rogan?

  What if they're completely indifferent to us? What if they've completely eliminated emotion?

• 3:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but what's the difference between them and like?

• 3:03:46Joe Rogan?

  Calculated like a computer.

• 3:03:48Speaker 01

  We have those here.

• 3:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they're not telling you what you can and can't do with your life. They're not shutting down your power grid. They're not like coming over to rule over humanity. That's the worry.

• 3:03:59Speaker 01

  I mean, what's the worst they could do?

• 3:04:00Joe Rogan?

  They rule over us the way we rule over countries.

• 3:04:03Speaker 01

  But maybe they do a better job. Maybe. Yeah, I mean, what's the worst they could do, really?

• 3:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Look at you.

• 3:04:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, what's the worst?

• 3:04:09Speaker 02

  What does ChatGPT say about aliens?

• 3:04:11Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 3:04:11Joe Rogan?

  We asked ChatGPT the other day.

• 3:04:13Speaker 01

  What did they say?

• 3:04:14Joe Rogan?

  If the Tic Tac was a UFO, we kept like beating it down, asking it more and more questions, like it's exhibiting something. What are the possibilities? If it is extraterrestrial, where would it come from? It gave us like a list of like star systems that are close by.

• 3:04:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:04:27Joe Rogan?

  You keep get pestering ChatGPT.

• 3:04:29Speaker 05

  I asked it to make an artistic rendition of what it thought it would look like.

• 3:04:33Joe Rogan?

  What the Tic Tac looked like? Yo.

• 3:04:35Speaker 05

  At first it made it huge and I was like, that's a little too big, isn't it?

• 3:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, but not big as those mothership ones.

• 3:04:40Speaker 05

  And it said, okay.

• 3:04:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what it is, but it's fun. I like all this. I like all this chaos.

• 3:04:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:46Joe Rogan?

  I think it's fun. I enjoy it when things get real sideways for some strange reason.

• 3:04:49Speaker 01

  They were also probably been coming forever, just now everyone's got phones and now they're just capturing them.

• 3:04:53Joe Rogan?

  I think it's in the Bible. I think the Ezekiel story in the Bible is an alien visitation.

• 3:04:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. What is that? They're saying they talk about these lights similar?

• 3:05:00Joe Rogan?

  It talks about a wheel within a wheel, like the way Ezekiel describes this vision that he sees, like something that had like multiple different animal heads on it and different, like it describes it as a wheel within a wheel. The way he's describing, like, you would imagine, like, if you saw something beyond your fucking wildest imagination and then you tried, you know, years later to write this down. Or not even write it down, right? Because it was told as an oral tradition. For a long time before it was ever written. Who knows what the actual event was that he described, but there's a lot of ancient religious texts, including the Vimanovs. From the Bhagavad Gita, all these different stories of things flying in the air that exhibit extraordinary flight characteristics.

• 3:05:46Joe Rogan?

  That move the way we describe UFOs.

• 3:05:48Speaker 02

  So that's a good point then, just because we have the capability to film this and know about it now.

• 3:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:05:53Speaker 02

  Doesn't mean that they're going to expose themselves because they've been doing this for thousands of years.

• 3:05:57Joe Rogan?

  If you read Jacques Vallée's books on it, Jacques Vallée is the guy, he's a scientist that they, they. He was the, the reason why they had that French guy in Close Encounters, the third count. You ever see that, Close Encounters, Steven Spielberg?

• 3:06:11Speaker 01

  Long time ago.

• 3:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Great fucking movie, but there was this French scientist they bring in to try to help people get through this. It's based on Jacques Vallée. And this Jacques, he was a podcast guest, very cagey, didn't answer a lot of questions.

• 3:06:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:06:24Joe Rogan?

  Probed him a lot, but his books are fascinating. And one of the things about his books, I've read the first one, I'm into the second one right now. And in the first one, he goes into detail about through the seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds, all these different sightings. All these different experiences that people documented in news stories and different, and they're all super similar, man. Similar enough that different versions of it, you could kind of attribute it to different people lacking the words to adequately explain some super paranormal bizarre experience, but real similar. I think they've probably always been here, if they're real. If we are visited by something that's either interdimensional or from another, another planet.

• 3:07:08Joe Rogan?

  They've probably been doing this for a long fucking time, monitoring us the same way we monitor animals on this planet.

• 3:07:15Speaker 02

  And they'll never, maybe never say who they really are.

• 3:07:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe they're getting ready to because we're about to unleash these fucking quantum computers and AI. And maybe that is the thing that they're here to make sure goes smoothly.

• 3:07:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Because if you had to imagine one thing that would completely change the capability of this race of savage barbarian territorial apes with. Nuclear weapons, which is what we are, you would like right when they're about to achieve godlike powers. Like, let's, let's like hover.

• 3:07:48Speaker 01

  That makes sense. It really does make sense when you put it into that context, which is actually reality. That we are about, we are on the precipice of something that is so unimaginable.

• 3:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Bigger than the split of the atom. Bigger than anything. Literally something.

• 3:08:02Speaker 01

  You're blowing my mind right now. Yeah, I mean, we really, when you think so.

• 3:08:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, well, no, I don't know. My anxiety is about stupid stuff, which is weird.

• 3:08:13Speaker 01

  So, yeah, this stuff just doesn't bother me, but I get bothered by stupid stuff. What is wrong?

• 3:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Because this stuff is not genuinely affecting you right now. If it was, if it was inescapable, if it was like hovering over this building right now, we wouldn't be able to have a podcast. We'd all be outside. We'd be going, what the fuck, man? There's some silent thing that's three miles long that's blocking out the sky. And it's hovering, you know, three hundred yards above us. We would be all be freaking the fuck out.

• 3:08:42Speaker 01

  Right. So what, my question is like, Elon Musk probably has like, what, IQ of like one forty or something?

• 3:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Probably at least.

• 3:08:50Speaker 01

  So what is ChatGPT's like IQ, like considered now?

• 3:08:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, once ChatGPT, once they achieve, and they think they're gonna be able to do this in twenty twenty five, when it achieves artificial general intelligence, I think what it will be as as smart as every human being that's on earth combined. See if that's right. See if that's correct.

• 3:09:12Speaker 01

  What does that mean, artificial general intelligence?

• 3:09:14Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, this is like, whatever it is, it's baby steps. So whatever that is, this insane leap from us to that is baby steps in comparison to what it's going to be. It's not gonna stop there. And if you have, if you have sentient artificial intelligence and unlimited computing power connected to nuclear power plants, like they're gonna do. And then it develops a better version of itself and better versions of power and better versions of its programming and all the other things that go along with it. And its capabilities and if ChatGPT is.

• 3:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Trying to lie and copy itself. What is that thing gonna do?

• 3:09:51Speaker 01

  So, and they also don't know how it works, right? Like, I watched that 60 Minutes interview with that sort of godfather of AI, or whatever they consider him, like, the guy who first created the biggest component of it. And he says, "We don't..." the layers thing, and then he was like-

• 3:10:05Joe Rogan?

  They don't know how it works.

• 3:10:06Speaker 01

  They don't know how it learned. They don't know how it works.

• 3:10:07Joe Rogan?

  They don't, no.

• 3:10:08Speaker 01

  That blows my mind.

• 3:10:10Joe Rogan?

  It should.

• 3:10:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:11Joe Rogan?

  It should, and that's why the aliens are hovering.

• 3:10:13Speaker 01

  So, is Elon concerned? Is Elon, like, really concerned about AI?

• 3:10:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. He keeps it under his hat.

• 3:10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:19Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't... I think he's got contracts with NASA, you know, and he's the Defense Department, and he's running SpaceX. I don't think he can talk wild about aliens. When you got that kinda... It's like a lot on the line.

• 3:10:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:10:29Speaker 02

  That's what we were saying in the gym the other day.

• 3:10:30Speaker 01

  Because he doesn't believe in them. I saw him on your show, and I'm like, "I'm not sure."

• 3:10:33Joe Rogan?

  He's a... They're real, they're very subtle.

• 3:10:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 3:10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, because people were like, "Oh, how come he's not commenting on the drones? He comments on everything."

• 3:10:39Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 3:10:40Speaker 02

  But, and so, like, what does that tell you?

• 3:10:42Joe Rogan?

  That tells me something's going on.

• 3:10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:43Joe Rogan?

  That's what I... Because I would be commenting on it if I had nothing to do with it, and I was a super genius who comments on everything. I would, for sure, comment on all these fucking drones.

• 3:10:52Speaker 01

  Well, there's a lot of them. My wife saw one. She videoed it. It was a drone. There's a lot of them.

• 3:10:57Speaker 02

  But it could have been a man made... It could have been, like, somebody throwed in there.

• 3:11:00Speaker 01

  Could have been a kid, because a lot of people are probably putting them up in the sky, too.

• 3:11:03Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. They're all flying around Austin, I see them, and they're normal drones. I seen them. I seen them the other night.

• 3:11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Boys, let's wrap this up.

• 3:11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:11:10Joe Rogan?

  History Hyenas is back. I'm very happy.

• 3:11:13Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Very happy. Very happy you guys are back.

• 3:11:15Speaker 02

  And we're demonetized on YouTube, so we're trying to get re-monetized, but-

• 3:11:19Joe Rogan?

  What happened? What'd you say?

• 3:11:20Speaker 01

  We didn't- Dude, who knows? It's again, it's a... I don't know. This is... Why does this happen to me? I remember the last time-

• 3:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Censorship.

• 3:11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the last time, they did it to my channel, and then you spoke about it, and then they re-monetized. They had suspended me last time. We don't know, because we weren't even active.

• 3:11:36Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, if you get a bunch of haters who flag your videos and complain about them, I think sometimes that can do it.

• 3:11:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it says harmful content. We didn't even put it in an episode.

• 3:11:45Joe Rogan?

  It's just cocksuckers who like just mass report you. Or they don't like you. I mean, there's a lot of ways to weaponize that whole reporting system.

• 3:11:54Speaker 02

  We're trying, but that's one.

• 3:11:55Joe Rogan?

  You know, you gotta realize like YouTube is managing some fucking insane number of videos that are getting uploaded every minute.

• 3:12:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:12:02Joe Rogan?

  And they probably have to have all these systems in place to handle this stuff. And I bet you can game that system. And then there's also a bunch of people that work for them that are woke dipshits.

• 3:12:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:12:11Joe Rogan?

  And I think they can flag things and they get out of line sometimes.

• 3:12:14Speaker 02

  We tried. We tried to get it reinstated. They said we have to, you know, uh, February is our next chance.

• 3:12:20Joe Rogan?

  YouTube, please.

• 3:12:21Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 3:12:21Joe Rogan?

  Please bring. It's just a history podcast for two funny guys. Let it go.

• 3:12:26Speaker 02

  But that's why in effort, we are playing by the rules with YouTube and we have really clean, cute content on YouTube. But if you want to get fucking wild with us, go to patreon.com/HistoryHyenas. That's where we're going off at Patreon.

• 3:12:37Joe Rogan?

  That's a great sales pitch.

• 3:12:38Speaker 02

  It's true. We are going off.

• 3:12:40Joe Rogan?

  Gentlemen, I appreciate you very much. You guys are awesome. I'm so happy you're together again. Beautiful.

• 3:12:44Speaker 01

  Thanks, Joe.

• 3:12:45Joe Rogan?

  All right. Bye, everybody.

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