#2225 - Dave Smith

Dave Smith is a stand-up comedian, libertarian political commentator, and podcaster. He's the host of the "Part of the Problem" podcast, as well as a co-host of the "Legion of Skanks” podcast. www.comicdavesmith.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  And I couldn't, even after we got off the phone last night, I was like, I'm gonna go to bed.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  I couldn't go to bed either.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  And then I just had to watch clips of-

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  What time did I call you? Like, 3?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  3:30, something like that.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was just sitting in front of YouTube, watching professional pool on TV going, "What the fuck is going on?" So, turns out, voting works. It's real. As much as we fucking thought they had it rigged, as much as we thought there were shenanigans and bullshit, and it's just a puppet show, and there's no way anybody could buck this system, turns out, voting is still real.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  At least partially.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  At least if it's too big to rig.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  And clearly, he was too big to rig.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Wasn't it, it was crazy because it was like, for weeks, especially in the close of the campaign, it was one of those things where it felt like, it almost felt like 2008, when Obama was running against McCain, and it was just so obvious Obama was running away with this. Everything you could see and observe, his crowd sizes, the enthusiasm, the culture, it was all behind him. But, at that time, the polls were reflecting what you saw everywhere. Obama's up big. He's about to, John McCain's not gonna win after eight years of George W. Bush. The country doesn't want another warhawk. They want this, you know, articulate, young, peace guy.

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  And it was like that with Trump, where it's like, all the signs are that he's clearly running away with this. But then every single poll told you, no, this is the closest election of your lifetime. And then it was just, there was a very interesting feeling to see it and be like, "Oh, okay, I'm not crazy. I was observing all the things I was observing."

• 1:47Joe Rogan?

  Do you know what Trump told me about the polls?

• 1:50Speaker 01

  No, what?

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  He's like, "They're bullshit. They don't do anything. You give them money, they come back, they have these results, you don't know."

• 1:57Speaker 01

  He was like, "They charge 500 grand for, yeah."

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  He's right.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  He's right. And the media gaslit us to the absolute limits of their ability.

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  The absolute limits. Joy Reid spent the entire time she was discussing Trump the other day comparing him to Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, talking about a right-wing authoritarian regime. As if he had never been president for four years and didn't behave like any of those things.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30Joe Rogan?

  As if the economy wasn't booming, as if people weren't making more money, as if we weren't involved in any new conflicts overseas, no new wars.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  I mean, I could, I could point to a lot of things Trump did in his four years that I think were bad, but they were things that were similar to Obama and Bush and, you know, I mean, it wasn't different.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  I bet he could point to them too. You know, when I talked to him about what it was like to actually govern for the first time ever, it's a daunting task. He was telling me about the thousands and thousands of appointments he had to make. Thousands of people he had to pick. He didn't know who any of these people were. He had to trust people that he knew and he didn't know who was telling him the truth and who was just trying to get the system moving along in the exact same direction. And he got bogged down with a lot of that shit. It took forever for them to weed it out. Which is the crazy thing about being president. It's the hardest job on the planet and you start it without any knowledge of it.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Well, that's, yeah. And I mean, a little bit of that's on him because there were some people who he probably should have known. What I didn't like in his answer about that to you is that then he kind of pivoted to talking about how John Bolton was actually really good to have there because.

• 3:36Joe Rogan?

  Cause he was terrifying.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Terrifying and he's crazy, oh, this guy wants war with everyone. But the problem is that like, that's not how it went down. John Bolton ruined the North Korea deal. It's not like it, it was successful and the North Koreans were so scared of John Bolton that they wanted to talk to Donald Trump. They were at the meeting, they were willing to talk to Donald Trump and then John Bolton came in and they were like, oh, this guy, these guys are psychopaths. I don't want to make a deal with them.

• 3:59Joe Rogan?

  That mustache alone.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  And I, I will say, look, man, I was, uh, I was rooting for Trump last night as much as anybody in this country was.

• 4:07Joe Rogan?

  Not as much as Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Okay. Second, second most, second to Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  Tony Hinchcliffe, true. More Puerto Ricans voted for Trump than ever, ever, by up 26%. He was so.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Well, but wasn't it? What, and wasn't that just one of the, it was, look, there's obviously a huge series of these things where the, the Democrat establishment and the corporate media, but I repeat myself, they, it's death by a thousand self-inflicted wounds.

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  But it, it is almost as if, it's like their whole thing relies on lies.

• 4:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  It's just all lies and they are just, they are, have their eyes shut and their fingers in their ears and they're going, no, no, no, no, no, no, nope. We're just pretending reality is the thing we want it to be.

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  They, they don't want to get slowed down by this, this force that is objective reality. And so all of it, you know, whether it's Joe Biden's sharp as attack.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Kamala Harris's joy.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  You know, Donald Trump is Hitler. Tony Hinchcliffe was a man at an event who made some comments.

• 5:11Joe Rogan?

  Did you see?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  He wasn't, really, that wasn't a comedian who was ribbing everybody.

• 5:17Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, but an insult comedian. A comedian who's famous for insulting people.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  And we're supposed to act like this, it's not 2024, like we, we didn't all grow up on Don Rickles and we all know exactly what Tony Hinchcliffe is doing.

• 5:28Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the clip that the mothership posted? It's on my Instagram. So they're talking about the, the comedian who made jokes about Puerto Rico while Tony's on stage on the other screen. So Tony's on stage at the mothership while this guy's talking about what Tony did on CNN and they're going over like the Puerto Rican population and how they voted.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  Just pull it up because it's fucking crazy.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so great.

• 5:51Joe Rogan?

  We were watching it and Metzger was back there. The whole green room was packed. We were having the best fucking time. There should have been a camera on the green room last night, would have been the greatest reality show of all time. Brian Simpson and Tony Hinchcliffe and Hassan, everybody's cracking jokes. Metzger, look at this.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Oh dude, that's so great.

• 6:21Joe Rogan?

  I just said after that, we're in a simulation, for sure.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  It's on the video. I said, we're in a simulation. It's 100%.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Well, it's just like, it is just unbelievable, man. Like, the, the, the false reality that they were trying to present while you're, while you're watching what's actually going on.

• 6:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  And seeing that it's like, there was just an enormous shift, like culturally, from even 2016 to now. And I did, I thought one of the big indicators to me, I was talking about this a bunch on my show over the last, uh, uh, couple of weeks, was, or since the garden event, whatever that was, a week and a half ago.

• 7:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  And dude, there were no protesters.

• 7:04Joe Rogan?

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• 9:06Speaker 01

  And that, to me, was so wild.

• 9:08Joe Rogan?

  It was all gaslighting.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  It was, but I'm saying like, if this was happening in 2016, if in 2016, Trump came to Manhattan to give a speech, there would have been like thousands of protesters.

• 9:20Joe Rogan?

  I was there, actually, in 2016, when that did happen. I was there the day that he won. I was there for the UFC. So, the next day, we're walking down the street in Manhattan, and people are chanting. This guy was saying, "Donald Trump, KKK, anti-black and anti-gay." He was like chanting it.

• 9:43Joe Rogan?

  It was terrible. He was the biggest cuck ever. It was like, the super cuck. The guy was a super cuck. He was one of those guys where you're just like, "Look at you." I wanted to follow him around. I'm like, "You're amazing. You're a gift. Keep talking. Just let me listen to you."

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Like, what's your life like after this?

• 9:56Joe Rogan?

  Two black guys started walking towards his way, started chanting "Black Lives Matter." Soon as he saw the black guys, "Black guys, Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter." I was like, "This is amazing." I stuck right behind him. Me and Cam Haynes, and I think Tony was there too. And we were just, "This is crazy. This is crazy."

• 10:14Speaker 01

  But they don't seem to have that in the same way. The shock troops aren't there for them anymore.

• 10:20Joe Rogan?

  It's bullshit. First of all, back then, they didn't know what he was gonna do and what he did economically. Chamath has the best way of explaining it. He said, "It was the right message, it was the wrong messenger." But if you look at the actual actions, and were they good for the economy, were they good for the United States? They were. But it's Donald Trump, as the messenger, was so polarized, and the people lost what's really going on just based on who this guy is, who has, like, just like Tony Hinchcliffe is an insult comic. Donald Trump's entire career is you're fired.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 10:51Joe Rogan?

  You're a loser. Rosie O'Donnell's a loser. Like, that's his whole shtick. And you expect him to course correct once he get into office? No, he's not. That's not who he is. You elected that guy. But along with that, now you get RFK Junior. You get Tulsi Gabbard, you get Elon Musk, and you get J.D. Vance. You get brilliant people who aren't ideologically captured. Two of them who used to be Democrats. One of them that probably knows more about environmental polluting and about the problems with pharmaceutical drug companies and health and the consequences of all sorts of pesticides and herbicides, ingredients in your food that should be banned and aren't banned in other countries. You got that guy in there now.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 11:35Joe Rogan?

  And we got a real chance to make real change. This is like one of the first times ever where there's a real chance to make real tangible change that's gonna be for the good of everybody. Yeah, and he's gotta unite people. He's gotta not attack the left, not attack everybody. Let them all talk their shit, but unite. Now it's time to unite everybody.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Well, I 100%. And then there's, there's even more guys. I mean Vivek Ramaswamy.

• 12:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes, Vivek, yeah.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  David Sacks. I mean, he's got some really smart guys.

• 12:06Joe Rogan?

  Vivek is a wizard.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Very successful, who are really, Vivek's incredible.

• 12:10Joe Rogan?

  Incredible.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Just excellent and totally brilliant and so right about so many of the major issues.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  And, and look, I mean, Donald Trump now, he has a real mandate. Which is like, this is kinda what's crazy. This isn't 2016 where, you know, he lost by several million votes in the popular vote, but won the counties that were important and just by the skin of his teeth got in. This is like, he's, I mean, the last I looked, he was up by over 5 million in the popular vote.

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 5 million in the popular vote. And what was it when, when I went to bed, it was 312?

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:44Joe Rogan?

  He had 312 Electoral College votes?

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, with still, I think, a few states, Arizona, I think, hasn't, you know, finished yet. And so it might, it might even rack up higher than that. But the mandate is like very specific. It's like the- Basic policies of like, okay, immigration control. Can't have, just have an open border with no control of who comes into our country. A desire to get out of stupid foreign wars.

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  You know, and, um, and, and obviously the improve the economy.

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Deal with inflation, things like that. But he's got a mandate to do that right now. And he's got all, some great people around him. My bit, listen, I was rooting for him as hard as anyone except Tony Hinchcliffe last night.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  But I will say now, I think now till January 20th, the real, the pressure should be on, on Trump to, to do better on the appointments than he did last time. He's got a lot of better people around him than he ever had in 2016 or 2020. But he was floating out Mike Pompeo as the Secretary of Defense. And he did have Mike Pompeo speak at his final, uh, campaign event. And to be clear, Mike Pompeo is Liz Cheney's pick for Defense Secretary. It's Hillary Clinton's pick for the, uh, Defense Secretary. And so much of this will be lost if he puts that guy in there. That's, he, he needs to keep all of the Lindsey Grams and the Mike Pompeos

• 14:09Speaker 01

  and all of these guys away from his administration. Bring, bring in the non-interventionists, man. No one wants to fight these stupid wars anymore. And that's what you ran on and won on.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  I want Lindsey Graham to start a podcast.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  That I'd be fine with.

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  We gotta get those minerals. There's some expansive minerals over there in Ukraine.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  Tim Dillon was doing an impression of him yesterday. It was amazing. It was amazing.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Uh, dude, I don't even like, maybe I should, no, he deserves it. But there's, did you ever see the thing when he was running for president? Where he was talking about-

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  He ran for president?

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Lindsey Graham ran for president.

• 14:45Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  In 2016.

• 14:46Joe Rogan?

  Imagine.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  And remember, I think Trump gave his phone number out. Or something like that.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, you don't remember that?

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  It was like, cause he was like attacking Donald Trump for probably not being an awful warhawk or something like that. And, uh, Donald Trump like said something about how he, he used to call him and ask for money. You know, when he was running for a campaign that he just gave his phone number out. He made, he made a senator change his phone number. It was just so great.

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  That's like a Chael Sonnen move.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it was just, it was amazing.

• 15:15Joe Rogan?

  It's so funny.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Amazing, but he said, uh, Lindsey Graham was asked about being the first single president.

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, never married, no kids.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  He goes, he goes, he goes, there might be a bunch of different first ladies if I was in there.

• 15:28Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, sure, buddy. First of all, that's the last thing you say if you're a man and you're heterosexual. You say, I'm trying to find a good woman.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, really.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  I'm trying to just find one good woman that I can grow with and that I love with all my heart. Just one good woman. I know that she's out there. That's what you say.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, you don't.

• 15:46Joe Rogan?

  Might be a bunch of first ladies. I'm gonna get divorced, married, divorced, married, and keep on scooping up them minerals in the Ukraine. I can give those minerals to the Russians. We're just walking around with women's panties on and shit in high heels.

• 16:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm the president.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  I mean, listen, I wouldn't.

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  I'm the first lady too. I'm gonna wear her clothes.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  I typically wouldn't go after someone for that, but when you're a war hawk, all.

• 16:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  All is fair. But he's just got, he's got to keep those people away from a man. And that really was his failure in his, in his first term was, and, and look, I do understand him saying, I don't know, he was an outsider. He had never been, he had never lived in Washington DC. He didn't know all these people, but he's had a lot of time, this is eight years later, and he's got a great core of people around him, and those are the people to take advice from. It's like, Mr. President, if you're listening.

• 16:35Joe Rogan?

  They're on it right now.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Well, talk to Rand Paul. Rand Paul will tell you who to put in those positions. Talk to Thomas Mas, I just saw he floated out Thomas Massey, um, for, I can't remember what, uh, position it was. That's great. Put those guys in there. These are the America first guys, okay? And it's not Mike Pompeo. It's not the war machine dude. And it's, and also, you know, look, his rhetoric was so great on Ukraine through, through the election. And when he had the courage to just say like, no, I want the, I want the dying to stop. That was one of the best moments of the entire campaign. But his rhetoric on Israel has been very bad. And the, the other thing that you can't get around is that like, listen,

• 17:18Speaker 01

  you can love Israel all you want to, and you can, you can pledge to help defend them or whatever. But nah, I'm okay. Uh, but, uh. But Netanyahu is John McCain. Right. That's who he is. Right. I mean, he's Mike Pompeo, he's Louie Chaney or Nikki Haley. He's the guy who came over and testified in 2002 before a congressional hearing and advocated that we overthrow Saddam Hussein and also advocated that we go have a regime change war in Iran, which he still wants to this day. He advocated we had the regime change in Libya, in Syria. I mean, he's John McCain. That's not America first. That's not, you know what I mean? That's not this, we're not fighting stupid wars anymore. So, love Israel all you want to, but we're not with Bibi Netanyahu.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  That's something else. That's the opposite of America first.

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. A lot can get done here, man.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 18:08Joe Rogan?

  I think he can listen to those people. He has four amazing people around him, you know, that really have experience. Especially Tulsi, congressman for eight years. RFK Jr. knows it inside and out. You've got Vance, who's brilliant. You've got Vivek, who's brilliant. You've got four incredible people with him.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then-

• 18:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, he can, I think he can get through this in a different way than he did in 2016.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  I, I think he's the, there's real possibilities for it. And I think that that's a huge component of it, the team that he's got around him. And I would also put, I would put Tucker Carlson-

• 18:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  -in that camp too, because I think he is very influential-

• 18:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  -on his thinking. I think in many ways, he's kind of-

• 18:51Joe Rogan?

  Although he does think demons made nuclear bombs.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  And look, 50/50 shot, he's right about that. I'm not saying he's, but when it comes to policy, I'm saying, he's very spot on on that.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  I love the guy. Don't get me wrong.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  No, me too. And, and who knows?

• 19:04Joe Rogan?

  He's a little bit obsessed with demons. He said a demon attacked him. Did you see that?

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:08Joe Rogan?

  Scratched him up.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  I did see that and I wasn't sure, I, when I was watching it, I was like, is this like a Halloween thing that he's doing?

• 19:14Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy, why are you laughing? That's so rude. He's a victim of demons.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  That sounds like a fun thing that could, I don't know, what happened?

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing, demons never really get you. You know, they're scary, like ghosts, they never steal you.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's true.

• 19:26Joe Rogan?

  Neither do aliens. They just bring you back. They always bring you back.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  It's like-

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  They borrow you for a little bit. They freak you out.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Do you think like demons are bummed about that? Like, they're like, did you kill anyone today? And they're like, we can only really scratch people.

• 19:36Joe Rogan?

  Tucker thinks aliens are demons.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 19:39Joe Rogan?

  Aliens are angels and demons. He thinks it's like this idea that they come from outer space is stupid. He said they've been, he thinks they've been here all along. There's like legit scientists that entertain this.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not convinced of that, but I do think he's really, I think he's great on war and immigration.

• 19:54Joe Rogan?

  He is. He's a brilliant guy.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  But I do, I do think another huge component of why Trump's got such an opportunity right now is because, like, you just, you see it where, like I was saying, the protesters aren't there anymore. There's a whole lot of really interesting reasons, I think, for why that is. But also, and I was, I was getting in an argument on Twitter the other day with Michael Tracy, who I do like and respect very much. But I was basically saying that I think this is gonna be a death blow for the corporate media if Donald Trump wins again. And this is almost the best thing about him winning again. And he was saying, which is a reasonable argument, but I disagree with him. But he was saying, "Well, no, Dave. I mean, look, last time he was in for four years, that was the best thing that ever happened

• 20:39Speaker 01

  to CNN and MSNBC, and they got a big ratings boost when, when he was in. But I don't think that's gonna work again."

• 20:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's gonna work either.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Well, the thing is that so much of that ratings boost was completely driven by the Russiagate nonsense. And what they were telling you at the time was that they had the biggest scandal in the history of the United States of America. Like, you can't overstate how big that story is. I mean, they were telling you-

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  If it was true.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. If, if it wasn't all completely made up. But they're reporting that a foreign, hostile foreign power has overturned our election, and the sitting president of the United States of America is in on it. He is involved in a conspiracy with a hostile foreign government. Like, that's the biggest scandal in the history of America. And they, for, for anybody who wasn't aware at the time of how fake and evil the entire system is- They were like, well, look, they got a special prosecutor on the president. I mean, there must be something there. And hey, I just heard the, the chair of the House Intelligence Committee tell me he's seen the evidence and that this is, he's guilty of this. And you had the former CIA director, John Brennan, saying that Trump and his family

• 21:49Speaker 01

  are going to be hauled off in handcuffs on television. Once Mueller's investigation concludes. And so for the regular person, especially for the regular person who really hated Donald Trump, it was pretty easy to get sucked into that. But after that was exposed for being a giant fake, and then the big one is COVID. I just don't think they can recover.

• 22:08Joe Rogan?

  Let's pause here. No repercussions.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  You want to talk about misinformation? We have to censor social media because of misinformation?

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:16Joe Rogan?

  You guys spread misinformation to the biggest news organization, the biggest news audience in the world. And you did it for three years.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:23Joe Rogan?

  You did it for three years. And then when it turned out that it wasn't true, you never apologized.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  And didn't just turn out it wasn't true, but turned out it was actually.

• 22:31Joe Rogan?

  Funded by Clinton.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Well, it start, right. It started as opposition research.

• 22:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  And then the intelligence agencies jumped on that and decided, knowing that it was all bullshit, decided to use it to frame the sitting president of the United States of America of treason. And, and listen, a few episodes back, one time we heard, we went real deep into this. But that claim is, this is just a fact. They lied on the FISA court, the FISA court application to spy on Carter Page, who was a low level advisor for Donald Trump, just an excuse to spy on Trump's campaign. And they lied to the FISA court. They, they omitted the fact that the CIA had already told them that Carter Page wasn't a spy and that he was working with them and that he was one of their good guys.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  As the FBI went to the CIA and they were like, we have information that says that the Russians approached Carter Page. And the CIA said, yeah, we know. He came and told us immediately because he's working with us. And then what they put on the FISA application is they said, we believe that the Russians approached him and the CIA confirmed that was true.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  So they, which is technically true.

• 23:40Joe Rogan?

  Technically true, but you're admitting the fact that he went straight to them to tell them.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Exactly. So this, that was, by the way, the only guy who actually got charged was the person, was the FBI guy who submitted that application. But so.

• 23:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  That's, but look, when you said there were no ramifications, right? You're right in the sense of like legally, or people getting fired.

• 24:00Joe Rogan?

  The news media.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Yes, but I'm saying this is the ramification. The ramification is that they're not going to be able to pull it off again. And the ramification is that, look, they, they did everything they could to tell you this was a Nazi. This was the end of democracy. That he incited an insurrection and the American people said, we already get that. You're full of shit.

• 24:21Joe Rogan?

  They cried wolf.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, too many times.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Way too many times, way too many times. The Joy Reid stuff was working for Trump. It was working for Trump. When she's calling him a right wing dictator, comparing him to Mussolini and Stalin. And then when Oprah said that if Trump wins, you may never be able to vote again.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  That is the craziest thing when you go back and watch him on her show, where she was encouraging him to be president.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  You ever see that?

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Yep, yep. I saw, I saw it and then I saw when you played it fairly recently.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  Hey Oprah, what changed?

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. Well, here's what changed.

• 25:00Joe Rogan?

  The narrative.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Well, he became the guy who wasn't just funding a lot of politicians and being like a famous guy. And he became the guy who was calling all of them out and threatening to drain the swamp.

• 25:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  And that's really was his crime, is that he threatened the DC power establishment.

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  But it's crazy how many rich and famous people stepped in line to help them take him out.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  Like so many famous influential people and I give a pass to Cardi B. I give a pass. Do you know what I'm saying?

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree. I agree.

• 25:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't think Amber Rose knows what Trump's real policies are. You know what I'm saying? I give a pass to some celebrities that come out. But then when you have some of them that are making videos, all the Avengers get together like, hey, are you trying to get me to hate superhero movies? You trying to. Show me your real fucking weird personalities and get me to hate superhero movies? Why are you doing that? If I was running the Avengers, I'd be like, hey, guys, cut the shit. Do you think one fucking person is gonna vote for Kamala Harris? Because they saw that Iron Man wants them to vote for Kamala Harris? Are you fucking crazy?

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Well, it's so, uh, uh, look, man, I mean, did they think? That one Puerto Ricans vote was gonna be flipped because of a joke that Tony made?

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  By the way, Puerto Ricans are known for being great insult comics.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:21Joe Rogan?

  Like Luis Gomez, great insult comic. The fucking Freddie Prince Jr. Was a great comic. Pu- Puerto Rico has a history of great comedy. They could talk some shit. Puerto, if you grew up in New York at all, you know, Puerto Ricans can talk a lot of shit.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Louis is one of the best shit talkers I've ever met. Also garbage. So Tony had a point.

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  Like Italians. Italian, and I'm Italian, Italians and Puerto Ricans have a lot in common that we talk a lot of shit to each other. So we don't get insulted that much by jokes. It's not the same thing.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:52Joe Rogan?

  It's very hard to insult an Italian and have it stick.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work. You can call him a Guido, like, yeah, I'm a Guido. You can call him a greaseball, no one cares. You, you, no one, go back to your country, no one's been there in fucking generations.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  It's also, my, my wife is Italian and her, uh, all my in-laws, her whole family is Italian. And it is like, when you have a dinner, it's just everyone yells.

• 27:13Joe Rogan?

  They're animals.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Like, everything's a yell.

• 27:15Joe Rogan?

  They're the Romans.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Like, I'll, I'll literally, her, her, my brother-in-law, who I love, is a great guy, very, super smart. But he will, if he's agreeing with you in a conversation and you were like in the next room, you would be like, is he about to fight his brother-in-law? Like, what's going on in there? No, he's just agreeing with what I'm saying, but he's screaming it at me, you know? But that, but it is a thing where it's very, they're very thick-skinned. They're not, they're not like fragile people. It's one of my favorite things about that. Puerto Ricans are the same way.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  Also, look at Puerto Rico, some of the best boxers of all time came out of Puerto Rico. It's one fucking island. You got Felix Trinidad, you got Gomez, Alfredo Gomez, you got incredible fighters came out of this one place. You have a fucking tough population, man.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:55Joe Rogan?

  It's not the, I mean, I'm sure there was a few people that were pissed off at that joke, but. The reality is, is one of the things that helped Tony is that joke was based about Tony's concern for the environment. Tony is obsessed with recycling. He's like, you know, recycling's bullshit. You know, it all goes in a landfill. You know, you tell, you put, I'm gonna put it in the blue bin. It all goes in the landfill. So Tony was obsessed with the Pacific Garbage Patch, and then he got obsessed with Puerto Rico because they don't have any room. So their landfills are just overflowing with garbage. They literally have a giant garbage problem. So he came up with a joke based around that. I think it's called Puerto Rico.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  I, I, I was texting with him, um, after it, and I, I thought it was so great. I mean, I thought even the, uh, his, the bit that he did on Israel-Palestine was so funny. He, he, uh, ripped both sides. And then he did, by the way, same with the Puerto Rico thing, there was an underlying really good point to it, which is always like the best comedy when you're just being funny, but at the same time, you're like, ah, and he did kinda nail that too. Where he was just like, why are we funding wars that have been going on forever? Like, figure it out, guys. And then he just got a great rip on Muslims, a great rip on Jews, and so, the way they picked out Puerto Ricans too.

• 29:09Joe Rogan?

  He's going on in the morning, there's no opening act, no one knows it's gonna be comedy.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, the most difficult setup.

• 29:14Joe Rogan?

  And there's no one on before him other than a prayer. They do a prayer. They're singing, they were singing prayers and songs. And then the music stops and Tony goes on, flat, to a bunch of people in the middle of the day.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, dude.

• 29:27Joe Rogan?

  The lights are on bright, it makes no sense. It's the worst setup of all time for comedy.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I remember in real time when I was watching it, like, being like, uh, I was like, well, I mean, Tony's not gonna be able to do Tony in this setup, so like, I wonder what he's gonna do. And then like, as it starts, you're like, oh, he's just gonna do Tony.

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Oh, that's crazy, dude. Good for him.

• 29:46Joe Rogan?

  It's the nuttiest thing. Should've never done it. But the fact that he did it, whatever. It's like, listen, man, there's gonna be some people that tried to capitalize on that, and that was a big thing. Like, AOC really mobilized, which is funny, cause I'm almost certain that AOC's been to see Kill Tony.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Really?

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 30:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, almost certain. Almost certain.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  Wait, here at the mother show?

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so here. But somewhere saw Kill Tony.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Eh, she probably loves it. They're all so funny.

• 30:16Joe Rogan?

  I wonder who. Let's call him up.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  All right, let's get to the bottom of it. Wait, we have access?

• 30:22Joe Rogan?

  Call Tony Hinchcliffe.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  Hey dude, you're live, you're live on the air right now with Dave Smith. I need to answer a question, I need a question answered. Did AOC ever come to see Kilt Tony?

• 30:39Speaker 04

  She says that she did, but we're almost positive that she didn't. I never met her in any of the shows in LA. I mean, she could have conceivably have bought a ticket to Madison Square Garden, but she never posted about it.

• 30:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, she probably wouldn't post about it. It's too sketchy. Your, your show's sketchy. But so how do you know that she says that she was there?

• 31:01Speaker 04

  She tweeted that she's been to a taping. When all that stuff went down, she said that she's disappointed in me and she's been to a taping. I can't remember the exact tweet right now. But it was the day of the, the day of the Madison Square Garden Trump thing, she posted, "I'm really disappointed in Tony Hinchcliffe. I'm a fan of Kilt Tony and been to a taping." Something like that. I don't want to misquote her like she would certainly do to me.

• 31:33Joe Rogan?

  But she's been there and she was surprised? That makes no sense.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, nothing these people fucking say make any sense. They're out of their goddamn minds. And now their voices are quieted, thank God.

• 31:48Joe Rogan?

  Tony, America's back, baby. America's back!

• 31:53Speaker 04

  Let's fucking go!

• 31:54Joe Rogan?

  Let's fucking go. I gotta go, brother. I love you.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  Rock and roll. Bye-bye.

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• 34:22Speaker 01

  Nobody who's ever been to kill Tony would be disappointed.

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  It didn't matter. It was a political tool. It's like, if you need, you have a wrench, here's a bolt, I need to use the wrench. That's what it was. Like, so AOC was sending, telling people, "Send it out in all your group chats. Let people know." It's not, they're not, they're not the most sensitive peop- they're like resilient people. They're not gonna, people are gonna get upset about a joke, but they're also gonna understand it's just a fucking joke. And then when they know, and then when some, if someone does tell them, "Oh, Puerto Rico really does have a giant garbage problem." Like, it's a giant problem, overflowing land, you ever see it?

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:00Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy, look at the images, you're like, "Oh my god, you gotta do something about this." You can't cover your island in garbage, this is nuts.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, eh, look, it's, I, I, just, eh, like I was saying before though, man, I just, I do like, I feel like if you zoom out. Like, if, if you look at it closely, you would be like, like you said with the, um...

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yep.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, she says she's been to more than one.

• 35:23Joe Rogan?

  She's been to shows.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:25Joe Rogan?

  Wow, before people try to act like this is some PC overly sensitive nonsense, which is what it is. "I've been to Kill Tony shows, I'm from the Bronx, I don't give a shit about crude humor." Then what are you doing?

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Well, clearly you do.

• 35:37Joe Rogan?

  Don't pretend that your support for Trump is a joke, own it. You're doing a set to support him, that's a choice. Listen, you guys have a real problem with someone disagreeing with you.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:46Joe Rogan?

  And you, you want to, in any way, shape, or form that's possible, turn that person into a demon. You never wanna have someone who has an opposing perspective that should be considered, or may be countered with better information. Which is what we're all supposed to be doing. Ideally, with people of good character, and who go into arguments with good faith. You should be able to respectfully disagree and have conversations with things. This is like, everybody who thinks one way is bad, everybody who thinks this way is good. We'll do whatever we can to destroy the people that are that way. Obama, uh, there was a guy, there was a guy at the Trump rally? That said that Puerto Rico's a pile of garbage. Those are human beings.

• 36:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, was that, hey, was that guy maybe telling a joke?

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:32Joe Rogan?

  What do you think, is he telling a joke? Do you know what jokes are? You're my age. You know what jokes are? What are we doing?

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Come on.

• 36:37Joe Rogan?

  Come on, bro.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Like, we, and-

• 36:38Joe Rogan?

  What are we doing?

• 36:39Speaker 01

  We, we all grew up on like, in, in the America of Howard Stern and The Simpsons and all this stuff. It's not like jokes are foreign to any of us.

• 36:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we all forgot about Superbad. What did we, we forget about Tropic Thunder? Do we forget how those things work?

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Right, and you know, and her point is so stupid. I mean, she's like, hey, you're a Trump supporter, own it. It's like, yeah, he's speaking at a Trump event at Madison Square Garden.

• 37:03Joe Rogan?

  There's nothing to do with the joke.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  But I'm saying, just the fact that he's there clearly already says, yeah, I'm supporting this guy. And then, he's a comedian, so he's like, I'm gonna do what I do here with it, you know?

• 37:13Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  If you want, if AOC wanted to come out and say something like, she'd go, listen, I'm actually a fan of Tony, I really like the show Kill Tony.

• 37:21Joe Rogan?

  That show was fucked up.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  She goes, I don't think it's appropriate at a political event to have an insult comic. That'd be a reasonable thing to say.

• 37:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she'd be correct. I don't think it was appropriate.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Yes, but that's kinda, that's on the campaign, that's not on Tony, you know what I mean? And like, so, but that's not what she's saying. And, again, it's like, you know, look, if you, to the point you were making before, right? About the Russia collusion hoax and no one getting in trouble for it. If you were to look at, say, the weapons of mass destruction lie that got us into war in Iraq, killed a million people, cost trillions of dollars, and tens of thousands of our bravest young men blowing their brains out, you know? Just an unmitigated disaster. And none of the people who sold that, uh, lost their jobs, or are, you know, they're not like, I don't know what they should be doing, maybe like picking up garbage by the side of the road apologizing to every car that passes, I don't know.

• 38:15Joe Rogan?

  Let's pause for a second and compare. There's people that said that there was weapons of mass destruction, they willfully created this story. It's a fake story.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  100%.

• 38:25Joe Rogan?

  No one got in trouble. Trump paid off some lady, says he fucked her. And made a book, Kick Me Here. So, he got hit with 34 felonies. Now, if you wanna just be that person that says he's a convicted felon and just repeat it over and over again, understand that now you're changing what the law means because you don't like a guy, and that can be used on you. This is what happens in dictatorships. This is what happens when communism takes over a country and you get a military dictatorship. They just throw the laws at you. And they're doing it right in front of your face. And you're okay repeating it. He's a convicted felon. He's a convicted felon.

• 39:07Joe Rogan?

  He's a convicted felon for thirty-four misdemeanors, which are all the same thing.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Which weren't really felonies.

• 39:12Joe Rogan?

  Which weren't felonies and were past the statute of limitations. So, how much do you hate freedom?

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not, listen, none of the Trump, uh, uh, legal charges were, um, an example where, look, the, the former president of the United States of America clearly broke the law. And, uh, we don't want to politicize, you know, the, the legal system here, but it's so obviously broke the law that we have to prosecute him. It was, we're coming up with a novel legal theory that we've never prosecuted anyone under before. And if you interpret it this way, then we could interpret this misdemeanor that's past the statute of limitations as a felony that, so.

• 39:52Joe Rogan?

  Now, how does this not freak out liberals who are obsessed with criminal reform?

• 39:58Speaker 01

  Because they've never, because that's not their side of the issue.

• 40:00Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how many that is? Just think about how many that is. One of the best things that I do on this show is when I have Josh Dubin on, who used to work with the Innocence Project, now does things on his own, where they're trying to find people that have been unfairly prosecuted by bad judges and by bad prosecutors and get them out of fucking jail.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Oh, can I just say, real quick, dude, because if I don't, I, I want to make sure I say this while we're here, but to, uh, President-elect Donald Trump, dude, he, he came to the Libertarian Party convention, uh, this year, and he promised us, and a whole bunch of people, myself included, like, supported him, um, for this, and he, he did carry, I think, the Libertarian vote. Um, and he promised us he was gonna, uh, free Ross Ulbricht on day one. And like, if you're listening, Mr. President, if this gets to you, please, please come through on that promise, man. This kid has done over a decade in jail already. His, he was guilty of creating a website. You know, he, it, it, it was like a dark web-type thing, and I guess some people sold

• 40:58Speaker 01

  drugs on it and stuff, but li, he, he's done ten years, over ten years.

• 41:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, have you ever seen the documentary on that?

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:05Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting, because it does seem.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  I'm friends, I know his mom.

• 41:07Joe Rogan?

  Seems like he was railroaded.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, one hundred percent.

• 41:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it seems like they. They came up with some sort of a phony murder for higher charge.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Well, they so they accused him of that, but then they withdrew that charge. He was never convicted of that. He's he got life without parole for making a website. And I've just I've gotten to know his mother, Lynn, over the years, and she's like the sweetest lady. And she's just in the middle of this nightmare, like her whole life has been a nightmare for the last 11 years or whatever it's been. And just I really just please come through on that one. There's no political capital even to be spent on it. It's one of the best things he did when he was president last year was last time was, you know, freeing people who were just in jail on BS and way over prosecuted. And he said he was gonna do it on day one, and I'm just saying, we a lot of people supported him for that. I really hope he comes through. That would be amazing.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're gonna know a lot about what he's gonna do, whether he comes through or not. That'll tell us a lot. If he comes through, I think a lot of people will be able to hear, wouldn't you love to see him on a podcast? Wouldn't you love to talk to him on a podcast?

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Love to, yeah.

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  And ask him questions about what actually happened.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, look, now that we know what we know now, like the FBI did this whole internal thing with him and they they used people and agents to trap him. But now what we know about what they did with the kidnapping case for Gretchen Whitmer, we didn't know that before. We didn't know that you could have a kidnapping case where there's 14 people and 12 of them are FBI informants. So you got 12 people working with the FBI, two retards. And you convince these dumb asses that they should go and kidnap the fucking governor, and they're like cosplaying. These guys are idiots. They might as been playing fucking game of Dungeons and Dragons in the woods. They're idiots.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Well, it's it. There's an old saying.

• 42:51Joe Rogan?

  People.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  There's an old saying, it goes something like, the FBI always gets their man because it's always their man.

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  You know, it's like, dude, there's been there's been dozens and dozens of these FBI, what they call sting operations, which are really entrapment. Since 9/11, where they get, oh, we thwarted another terrorist attack. But no, they didn't thwart a terrorist attack. They planned a terrorist attack and then thwarted it. Like, it was never gonna happen. By the way, a little note on that, every single time, I just find this fascinating. Every time the FBI wants to do one of these terrorist entrapment things, which again, they've done dozens and dozens of since nine eleven, every time when they approach like young Muslim guys who are like on radical websites or something like that, every time. They never go up there and they say, hey, how do you feel about America being free and

• 43:40Speaker 01

  prosperous, or how do you feel about the fact that we don't have Sharia law here or anything? They never do that. They always go, how do you feel about American foreign policy? Look at all these innocent Muslims that we're killing over there in that part of the world. Doesn't that make you angry? Doesn't that make you want to do something about it? See, like when the FBI wants to do entrapment, all of a sudden, they know what motivates terrorism. They're not like, oh, you hate us for our freedom, or the dumb shit that they say to the American public. They know exactly how to entrap these people. They go, how do you feel about all these Palestinian babies getting killed right now? You know, that's America's money and weapons that are doing it, and that's how they get them. But it's all, it's, you look at the first World Trade Center attack was all just the FBI screwed it up. They were following it the whole time. Then they screwed it up, and they almost took down the towers.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  And if we got to hear Olbruck's story, I bet it'd be wildly different than the narrative that we heard in the courtroom, or it was in the documentary. I bet it's wildly different. And I wouldn't be surprised if he got railroaded. Just we know too much now. We know about that case. There's multiple different cases. There's the Dallas case where they got that kid to blow up a building. They gave him a fake bomb and a cellphone, and he activated. They radicalized that kid. He was just a dumb, low IQ kid that's, you know, nineteen, fucking gullible, and they talked him into joining, and here's what we're gonna do. And then they say they're preventing crime. Like, you're actually making it. You're making it and then stopping it, and that's, that's fucking wrong. You're cheating. You're rigging

• 45:09Joe Rogan?

  the pinball game, man. Fucking, and we know that now. So it would be really interesting to his, their history. Yeah, ten years is fucking plenty. Too much. Way too much.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  No, no, you can never give that back to them. But like, just let them go free. And it's also just such a situation where you just, you know, and obviously, like, I know his mother, so I'm like, you know, I'm kind of personally invested. But it's like, this kid is no threat. It's that nobody thinks like, oh, if we let him out, you know, he's some type of violent criminal who might do another violent thing or something like that. Like, that's just not gonna happen. You could just end the nightmare that this sweet woman is going through, and, and him, of course, too.

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so we both agree on this, but let me ask you, okay, what about Snowden? Do you think he has the balls to pardon Snowden?

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Well, okay, so the thing about Snowden, right, is that, and now the Julian Assange case has kind of been taken off the table, even though I guess technically he could still pardon him, um, but, uh, that takes real political capital. Now, I think he should pardon Snowden.

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  How so?

• 46:10Speaker 01

  But, well, I'm just saying that, like, Snowden pissed off a lot of very powerful people. The NSA are furious about him. The CIA, they don't like him, and they do not want to set the precedent that you can release the fact that we're doing a bunch of illegal shit that we are lying to the American people about, and then you can go tell them that we are in fact doing the thing that we lied and said we weren't doing. They don't like that. There's gonna be powerful forces that'll oppose you. Ross Ulbricht doesn't, it's not like that.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, I completely understand, but...

• 46:36Speaker 01

  If you, if he were to pardon Snowden, that would be a real signal that he is willing to take on the deep state. He's willing to take on the real powerful entrenched interests. Now, again, I'm not claiming to, it's obviously the right thing to do, morally speaking, but I'm, you gotta have a really smart strategy if you're actually gonna do this. You know, I remember one time, uh, during the Ron Paul, uh, presidential campaign, I think it was in 2012, and someone asked him, you know, like, a question about, like, when you're in there and you're president, are you gonna tell the CIA, like, hey, you, you guys are done, and you're this, and you're this? And he went, well, I might say it a little bit nicer than that.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  He was like, listen, I, like, I am trying to abolish the CIA, but let's be cool here.

• 47:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's just face, let's look at this for what it is. So if Edward Snowden, if he really did expose things that were illegal, that were not supposed to be done, and the fear of bringing him back is that the people that did the illegal things want to continue doing illegal things and don't want to have any repercussions for doing illegal things. That seems like a crazy thing to support, even for them to defend it. Sounds insane. They should want internal accountability. They should want to make sure that no one colors outside the lines, no one does anything without congressional approval. All the stuff you're supposed to do and you're doing certain things. But the problem is now with the FDA and FISA and all these different laws that have been passed

• 48:05Joe Rogan?

  that allow surveillance to be done warrantless. Like, it's kind of a moot point, almost, at this point. Like, the things that you would, like, back then, he exposed that they could listen to every calls, that they have data centers. But we all know that now. Like, he's, it's, everything's still functioning, but we all know that now. The guy that exposed all that? Leave him alone. You guys were, you're doing illegal shit and now it's kind of legal and we still should be outraged? But now you can kind of just do it?

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, and, and also, and one of the things that was so disappointing about Trump not pardoning Julian Assange and Snowden in his first term. And, and again, a lot of that is because, it's like when he told you, why didn't he release the JFK files? Well, because he was listening to Liz Cheney's pick for Defense Secretary, Mike Pompeo. And he was, people convinced him not to do it. But, it's like, at a certain point, you're like, okay, first of all, the spying that Snowden exposed was weaponized against you. You're like, they spied on you. So you kind of, I would think you have some, like, stake in being like, yeah, that should be exposed and, and should be abolished.

• 49:16Joe Rogan?

  But don't you think he didn't pardon him because he wanted a second term? And he wanted to, like, make things run as smoothly as possibly and try to, they're compromising, they're making deals here.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Yes, but he also had a lame duck period. I mean, he had a period where he knew he wasn't gonna have a second term and still had the power, but he was worried about the impeachment.

• 49:35Joe Rogan?

  And he wanted to run again.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:37Joe Rogan?

  He always wanted to run again. He was gonna run again. He was like, fuck you, I'm running again.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Yes, so there's, there's a fair point to that. Maybe now Donald Trump gets in, and I do think this is what the corporate media and all of them are really terrified about. Is that now he gets in- And he doesn't need to win another election. I mean, he'd like to win a midterm election and keep the, I mean, he's got the senate now. We'll see. The house hasn't been determined yet. But he'd like to keep, you know, congressional control within the Republican Party. But he doesn't need to worry about a reelection now. If he really wanted to do the, be the drain the swamp guy.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  He's got an opportunity now where I just, uh, a lot of things have aligned. Where it's like, I think he could really get it done and I think he could get away with it. I think that he's kind of, he's taken all their bullets, both literally and metaphorically, you know? He's, he's been impeached. He's been convicted of felonies. He's been shot at. He's like, all the things have already happened. He's been demonized. In a way that no public figure has been demonized in any of our lifetimes.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  And it's only made him more popular.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Yes, he's stronger. He's stronger than he's ever been.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  What do you think about that thing I sent you today that compares the number of people that voted? In 2020 versus the number of people that voted in 2024 and in 2016?

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Sure does look strange.

• 50:57Joe Rogan?

  And in 2012. Have you seen it, Jamie? It's crazy.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  I would say.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  I could send it to you if you want to see the exact chart.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  That is a fair point. There are still votes out there. I'd like to take a look at that again after 100% of everybody has been reported. But it does certainly seem weird.

• 51:16Joe Rogan?

  Let's not get technical and let's just enjoy it.

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, because it's so bizarre that I can't, I can't really believe it's real. When did I send it to you? Earlier today? Hang on a second, I'll find it. It's so crazy. You look at it and you go, there's, is this real? Oh, here it is. Because it doesn't seem to make any sense because this is like one of the most consequential elections ever. I think everybody's pretty aware of that. And everybody is very dug in on their side. The left, he's Hitler. The right, he's saving us. And so more people voted, at least, at least the indication would be as much people voted in 2020, if not more, probably more people voted. But let's look at the numbers. Like, look at the difference in how many people voted for Biden in 2020.

• 52:05Joe Rogan?

  It's unprecedented. It's way higher than any other time since 2012. And I'm sure probably before that, there was less people back then, right? So if you go back to when I was a kid, there was only like 200 million people in this country.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, and to be clear, 2012 and 2016 were not low turnout years.

• 52:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, they're all consistent. This is what's crazy. They're consistent. Look, they're all like 60. Look at, look at where the number is. It's all like 65 million. Is that what it says? So that's all the same, every fucking time, except 2020. And 2020, it goes way the fuck up. Look at it. It's like 80 what? Is it 82? Is that what it was?

• 52:47Speaker 03

  It was like 81 and change.

• 52:48Joe Rogan?

  81. So it goes up a fucking sizable chunk, and only once.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  And it does seem like even with getting all the other votes in, you're not gonna get to that.

• 53:00Joe Rogan?

  But it's also like, look how many votes Trump got. He got even more in 2020 than he did in 2024. Like, what the hell's that about? Is that because they haven't counted all the votes yet when they made this? Or is that the reality of the numbers? Because that doesn't make sense either.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. And well, and, you know, I just say, you know how in like the corporate media world, it's like this is the biggest crime ever to even ask this question? But you kind of can't blame us for asking it when everything you say is a lie.

• 53:31Joe Rogan?

  The ballots that came in the middle of the night are weird. And the fact that you had mail-in ballots, that's weird. Because the thing about mail-in ballots is different than anything else. It's not a chain of custody. All right, there's a guy who drops it off and then the postman gets it. And who knows what the fuck that guy does? They used to be going postal. Postmen used to be scary because they shoot a bunch of people. I don't know how they fixed that.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that did stop.

• 53:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there was a time, they were like fucking separating things by zip codes and like, enough. And they were just killing everybody in their office.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Do you remember the old Seinfeld bit on the show?

• 54:05Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  He asked Newman's a postman and he's like, why do you guys always like go crazy and just kill people? And he's like, because the mail never stops.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  It's so funny. It keeps coming.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was always my suspicion. It's just like a mundane job. It's like, and you're working with these people you don't like. And then one day like, I'm gonna fucking kill everybody. But there was a bunch of those guys who, it became a term. There was a video game called Postal. And the video game, you just ran around shooting people. Yeah, it was a crazy game.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a better time.

• 54:34Joe Rogan?

  It was, but this is like the 90s that all this was going on and something happened and they stopped fixing. So my point is, who knows what that post guy's doing? Like, you could just throw some stuff in the garbage. If you know you're in a Republican county, throw some stuff in the garbage. If somebody, if you're, if you're a cab driver from some other country and you're over in America and someone says, I'm gonna give you a bag of ballots. I'm gonna put them in your trunk and you're gonna go take them to this place. You're like, okay. You know, like, you're gonna give me $500? Okay, I'll drop off these ballots. Like, when, when you're doing like, low-level scams in like, small counties, where you have corrupt people that are working the voting machines, how many Republicans are paying attention?

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  How many Democrats are paying attention to the corrupt Republicans? There's always been election fraud. To pretend that we lie about the very fine people? He said they're very fine people on both sides? Obama's lying about that in front of the whole world. They lie about everything. You don't think they would cheat?

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Well, that's, right, exactly. It's, if every word that comes out of your mouth is a lie.

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  That you can't tell me that I'm not allowed to suspect. And also, you know, if, it's like, if what Rachel Maddow says is real, right? Like, if you're telling me your worldview is essentially that Adolf Hitler is running for president, um, it looks like it's a coin flip if he's gonna win. That's what they were telling us, that it, it was 50/50. Turns out it wasn't. But Adolf Hitler's running, this is the end of democracy? It's on the ballot, we'll never have elections again if this guy wins. So if that's true, then why wouldn't somebody who's got a bunch of ballots for him cheat? I would do that if Adolf Hitler was about to win. I'd cheat to make sure he won. If Adolf Hitler's about to win, you should do anything you can.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  So you're gonna tell me, on one hand, Adolf Hitler's about to take over America, and on the other hand, but no one would ever cheat?

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  You would never break the rules to stop Hitler?

• 56:28Speaker 01

  The conversation that people, the dumb American pop conversation is, would you murder a baby if that baby was Adolf Hitler? You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's the pop question that people ask about Adolf Hitler. And, and I think the Implied correct answer is yes. You're supposed to say, I would murder baby Hitler.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  I'd wait till he's seventeen.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably feel a little bit better about yourself.

• 56:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, by the time he's seventeen, I'd know he's a piece of shit.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  And you could run a real good experiment on like nurture versus nature, like raise him loving, be nice.

• 56:57Joe Rogan?

  Give him some mushrooms.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:59Joe Rogan?

  Fix that little fucker.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  But anyway, so but you're saying someone wouldn't, it's also, it's, it's like, it's not even just that they're liars who are in the business of propaganda. It's that it's incoherent propaganda. Your propaganda doesn't even make sense, like if propaganda point A is true, then propaganda point B is impossible to be true.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  It's, and, and one of the things that I'm so happy that Trump won, um, about, you know, is she just needed to lose. Like this, there, there's a certain line of, of, that they crossed that you're like, we need to be in a country where that doesn't work. Like that can't work, it's just too far.

• 57:38Joe Rogan?

  Here's one of the most important precedents, you can't have someone that's running that didn't go through a primary.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:42Joe Rogan?

  You have to at least go through and respect the process of allowing us to pick who our representative is. No one would have picked her, she didn't, when she was trying to run for president, Tulsi Gabbard nuked her out of orbit. And that was it for her, she dropped off a cliff and that was done, and that's how it should have been until Biden picked her as his vice president. Get, get away from that, you should always have a primary. Like if you really believe in the democratic process, and if you really believe in the democratic party, you should want the best representative of your party as voted for by the population.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  One hundred percent, and then.

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  That you can't, that you can't have someone bypass that because you have a complete puppet.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  One hundred percent, and then in addition to that, just think about how crazy this is. You're gonna bypass the democratic process and then you're running on democracy is on the ballot.

• 58:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  I mean, this is just too much.

• 58:33Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  It's too much, you wanna like punch yourself in the face, like you can't do that to me, you can't say that.

• 58:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've been so used to doing it before. They had full, complete control of the narrative because they own the media. And they, they owned the media for so long. They, they had the, the run of the roost for so long that they got cocky. And they, they didn't pay attention to the game as it was evolving. They're like a UFC one fighter.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:59Joe Rogan?

  That, you know, takes time out of the gym, then steps into 2024 and tries to compete against guys of today. Like you missed the game. The game is way past where you were. And you guys are still doing goofy shit, like taking people out of context and not knowing that people are gonna make YouTube clips showing what he actually said versus you. And it's gonna undermine your credibility even more. I am, I, I used, Obama was my favorite president. He's the best spokesman other than Clinton of all time. Now I think he's a liar.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  I look at that, that thing of him saying, he said there's very fine people on both sides. That's not what he said. He said, I'm not talking about the KKK and white supremacists. They should be condemned.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  It was so clear. He made it totally clear. And what he was saying was that there were very fine people on both sides of the arguments about tearing statues down.

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Like he was saying, look, there, it's reasonable that there are some people who are like, no, this is our history. We want to keep it up. And then there's other people who are like, this represents slavery or something like that. We want to take it down. And then, and then, first off, it was clear when he said it, that that's what he meant. And then they ask him a follow-up question. Are you saying the, the white supremacists are very fine people? He goes, no. How many times do I need to say that?

• 1:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  No, I am not saying that any of the white supremi- and like, that's not enough.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  And then there was a sneaky thing that they used to do. They would ask him, will you disavow white supremacy? Will you disavow white supremacy? Like, what are you talk- first of all, that's like saying to, to someone, like, will you, anything, any crime that you would never do. Like, will you disavow murder? Like, of course I'll disavow murder. Oh, well, well, all of a sudden you're implicated in something where you have to disavow murder. Like, you're connected somehow or another to murder now. Dave Smith, under any circumstances, do you disavow murder? Like, I'm not murdering anybody. What the fuck are you saying?

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  And after he had done it, like, maybe a hundred times, no exaggeration. They'd go, now you still haven't disavowed white supremacy.

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  And he'd be like, no, I have.

• 1:00:53Joe Rogan?

  Over and over again.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Out, but to your point, which I think is a really good one. And I think I love the analogy for people who are MMA fans. It really is like, uh, it's like someone coming into MMA in 2024 and being like, uh, I'm a jujitsu specialist. I've never trained wrestling or striking.

• 1:01:09Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  And you're like, okay, that's not going to work anymore. Like, I know that worked in 1993, but like, that's not going to work. It's, they have not adapted to the new world that we're living in now. And you saw, there was a lot of evidence of, uh, of this, like, these things that used to work now come with a heavy price. So one of the things that politicians used to do in general was that they would give, uh, they would give the same stump speech everywhere they go. Message discipline is what it's called. And they, you always stay on message. And this is the idea is that you're never going to get your message out there unless you say the same thing over and over again to everyone. But now we have the internet and you have these compilations of Kamala Harris saying

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  she's in a, from a middle-class family like 75 times in a row. And you just look like a psychopath. You're like, oh, what are you, so now there's like a cost to playing the game in the old way, but they don't adjust. And, and, and Trump, whether even intentionally or not, was always just kind of like, oh, well, I just speak off the cuff. So I, I don't do that. You know, like, I mean, he's got themes that he hits a lot, like all of us kind of do.

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  But he, he doesn't do that. And he did, and Donald Trump, one of the brilliant things, and man, I mean, I can't believe I haven't just asked you this already, uh, about this, but one of the really brilliant things that Donald Trump did, which obviously, look, RFK did it, uh, and Vivek Ramaswamy, I think both like, they recognize, like, look, we're in a new landscape here. And there are these shows on the internet that have much bigger audiences than these traditional shows. Oh, and by the way, I get to go long and I can really do, give an in-depth, you know, like, uh, uh, point on, on every single topic. And dude, I mean, Trump coming on here and her refusing to, this is.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  I mean dude, you kind of put Donald Trump in the White House. Like, this is amazing.

• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Settle down. People are listening.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  Everyone's thinking it.

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, for sure, him getting to be himself and just have a conversation with someone who's not being hostile.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, and I did ask him questions that I wanted answers to, like this proof that he lost in 2020. He did not provide me with that. And I've said, and we talked about it in depth yesterday, that if I was accused of election denying. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it. That's right. JoeRogan.com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website, like an AI-enhanced website builder, SEO optimization tools, and seamless checkouts with mobile pay links. Head to Squarespace.com/Rogan for a free trial.

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• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  There's Holocaust deniers, number one, and then there's maybe a vaccine denier and election denier. Election denier is probably a little higher than vaccine denier. You could be a kook and a vaccine denier but still believe that Donald Trump lost the election. But election denier, you're cast out of the kingdom. There's a couple of other ones that go underneath that, but those are the big ones. Those are the big ones. And you get put into a box like instantaneously. If I was put in that box, I would have responses to every question. I would say, "Well, in Georgia, there was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ballots that were blah, blah, blah. This was, this would have been, these, these people were dead. These people, they, they should have never been voting in the first place. They were not, uh, United States citizens." I would have all the information ready to

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  fire. And he didn't. He was like, "There's books, I tell you that..." I have the suspicion that he's, his, he's way busier than me, and I can barely pay attention to things.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes I agree to do things, my wife tells me we're gonna do something. "What are we talking about?" She goes, "You said, 'Yes, do it.' Yes, I did. When?" You were making coffee. "I wasn't paying attention. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Where are we going?" You know, but that's just normal life stuff, right? This guy is literally running for fucking president. He's got, what, all these golf courses everywhere and businesses everywhere and Mar-a-Lago and fucking family. There's

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Millions of things. So probably, they told him the election was stolen. He told me, "Find the results. Find it. Let's get it overturned. These fucking criminals." I don't know how much he really looked into it. I don't know. I know, I don't know how much he studied it, cause I

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  He didn't really have an answer for you.

• 1:06:37Joe Rogan?

  I would want you to regurgitate it fact by fact. And I think Vivek could do that. If you ask Vivek a question about that, if you ask J.D. Vance a question about that, I bet if they were accused, they would be able to rattle off all those numbers and statistics.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  Uh, I, I think that Vivek probably wouldn't make the claim exactly in the same way that Donald Trump is.

• 1:06:56Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm saying if he was accused.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. Um, well, yeah. No, Vivek isn't gonna say anything without having

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  A detailed answer to it. And that's not Trump. That's not

• 1:07:04Joe Rogan?

  Nor is J.D.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  Yes. Uh, listen, Trump is different than Vivek and, and J.D. He's a different type of animal.

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  There was so much evidence.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Well, the thing is, one of the things that was really interesting, and that was one of the most interesting, uh, moments of your, your show with him, was that you weren't Asking it the way CNN would ask it. You weren't badgering him and like, like you were after having a very honest, good faith conversation for a while, you were asking in good faith, like, what's the evidence? And yeah, he, look, I think the truth is that his lawyers made a lot of outlandish claims, none of which they could prove in court. Essentially what he has in terms of the argument, I think is kind of what we have, what we just looked at, where like, sure does look strange, sure does seem weird to me that 80 million plus people voted for, for Joe Biden.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  And the regime was so working against him in every other way. Like, you know, Glenn Greenwald, who's, you know, I think just one of the absolute, like, most brilliant people out there. I agree. His work is incredible. I love that guy. I love the way he put it. I thought it was perfect. Uh, where he goes, he's like, like, I don't really have any evidence that they stole the election from him, but they clearly rigged the thing against him. And then just kind of goes through like all the censorship, the Hunter Biden story, the, the media. And so in that environment, it's very easy. You know, the, the analogy that I use, I think I may have said this before to you, but it's almost like if, uh, if there's a guy who's like cheating on his wife all the time, and then one day she's like, uh, I, last Friday, you didn't answer your phone when you were out.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  I know you were cheating on me. And she's wrong. He wasn't cheating that Friday. Right. Like, she's kind of right, even though she's wrong. Right. You know what I mean? Like, she, she might get the detail wrong, but her overall suspicion is in fact correct. Yeah. I think there was a lot of that with Trump supporters, where it's just like, listen, man, you framed him for treason for three years of his presidency. Then you, you shut down the economy and that was totally, partially at least, to ruin his economy for his reelection year. Then you were totally supporting the riots that were destroying, you know, like you were just causing chaos. Then you overhauled the way we do votes and you killed his big October surprise story by censoring it off all the social media sites. You, and now you're telling me the most unimpressive senator in the history of America, Joe Biden,

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  got 80 plus million votes, he got more votes than Obama in 2008. Really? Like, this just smell, but that is not.

• 1:09:31Joe Rogan?

  That's not enough.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Something you can take to court.

• 1:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's not something you can say definitively as a fact and defame people and slander people.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:38Joe Rogan?

  And that's where Giuliani's fucked, right? Giuliani got hit with a huge lawsuit. How much was it, like a hundred and fifty million?

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  It was a lot. But, uh, it, but yeah, but also Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer and he should know that like, you kinda can't say that unless you got something to really present, uh.

• 1:09:57Joe Rogan?

  And the way you should say it is by presenting the evidence. You shouldn't even make claims. You should probably just present the evidence.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Well, they were saying, I mean, Sidney Powell, I think that's her name, and Giuliani.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  Hundred and forty-eight million dollar damages verdict adds to Rudy Giuliani's uh, over his legalized about two Georgia election workers. So what did he say that these ladies did?

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  So this is a defamation suit?

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  It must be. What did he say that they did? Defamation case brought by two former Georgia election workers marks a new low point for the man once lauded as America's mayor, whose advocacy of Donald Trump's false election claims led to criminal charges and hefty legal bills. What did they, what did he say that they did?

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  He, hmm, what did he say? What did he say?

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out what his, uh, statements were. See if you can find it.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  Remember when Ron Paul destroyed Rudy Giuliani on the debate stage?

• 1:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Here it says Giuliani.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  This is different, I think.

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Um, accuses him of participating in wire and range conspiracy to thwart the will of Georgia's voters who had selected Democrat Joe Biden over Republican incumbent. He faces thirteen charges, including violation of Georgia's anti-racketeering law, the federal version of which was one of his favorite tools as a prosecutor in the nineteen eighties. That's crazy. Cause he, he's the one who took out like the mob.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:11:19Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ. So, but let's find out what he said if we can. I'm interested.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Isn't it annoying that they make it so hard to find like the actual thing?

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, lies he spread about them that, that upended their lives with racist threats. Well, what were the lies? What did he say? When it says upended their lives, click on that link. See what it says. Georgia election worker suing Rudy Giuliani tells jurors that his lies made her fear for her life. So what the fuck did he say?

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Repeated false claims about her and her mother saying that they were engaged in changing votes. "I personally cannot repair my reputation at the moment because your client is still lying on me and ruining my reputation further," she told Giuliani's lawyer. She sobbed. She testified that her life was turned upside down by the accusations, though they were quickly debunked by state officials. Her attorneys displayed a few of the graphic messages accusing her of treason and more that she received after Giuliani in December of 2020 falsely accused workers at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta of tampering with ballots. Yeah, you gotta have real evidence if you want to say something like that.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  And again, Rudy Giuliani is a lawyer. Like, he should know that, you know?

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  California's only reported 54%. So that's somewhere in the range of 9 million-plus votes. But that's the biggest missing.

• 1:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so far still? How do they not count it all?

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  Only 54%.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know. It's just updated, too.

• 1:12:54Joe Rogan?

  How do they? Why are they so slow? They suck at everything over there now.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  85 for Nevada, 73 or something for Washington and Oregon. Oregon's at 62%. So they still have a lot to go up there.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  All right, so we'll see what these numbers look like.

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  But at the end of the day, so there might still be more millions. So it might get close to the 80 million mark. It'd be interesting to see, because that, then that's a misleading chart. I didn't know that there were so many that hadn't turned in their votes yet. That doesn't surprise me about California. Get your shit together, you fucking dorks.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, they can't do anything.

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

  They're charging 14% in state taxes, then another 1% if you live in Los Angeles, the city of Los Angeles, you get hit with another 1%. Dude, that's like agent and manager fees, you know?

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, like, you make a good amount of money, like, let's say you make $100,000 a year, you have to pay $140,000 to the government? For what? For what? And then if you move to Tennessee, zero. Move to Texas, zero.

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  And they wonder why people are flooding out of their state by the hundreds of thousands.

• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

  And you can't even count the votes in time, you fucking knuckleheads. Like, what are you doing?

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, they can't do anything.

• 1:14:05Joe Rogan?

  It's such a goofy state, just overburdened with regulations. You can't even have flavored vapes anymore.

• 1:14:15Joe Rogan?

  Little Billy's hooked on the strawberry mist. You gotta take it out of the store to protect my little Billy. It's the strawberry that gets him. You can't have flavored Zins.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  Well, and isn't it so like, uh, the whole, uh, like war on tobacco? Um, which I guess vapes aren't tobacco, but, uh, the whole like, you know, like cracked out on smoking and everything that kind of happened in my lifetime is it's really, really wild when you take into account all the stuff that Bobby Kennedy talks about.

• 1:14:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Where you're like, yeah, but we're like the most unhealthy country. And you took away like, yeah, a lot more people used to smoke cigarettes and cigarettes aren't good for you. Sure, but we were a healthier country when people were smoking cigarettes.

• 1:14:58Joe Rogan?

  We need regulation, my little Billy, and his strawberry base. Do you ever use Zins?

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Uh, occasionally.

• 1:15:05Joe Rogan?

  No, these are Lucy's. These are espresso flavored. This is contraband in California.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  Are these, uh, wait, are these the Tucker Carlson ones?

• 1:15:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, this is another company, Lucy's. These are breakers. They have a little thing in there. You break it, it gives you flavor, it tastes like coffee. Go ahead, break it, bite down, chew on it. Oh, yeah, baby. Illegal in California. Right here, we're in Texas.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  This doesn't seem, this doesn't seem like it should be illegal.

• 1:15:31Joe Rogan?

  Experience in freedom.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  Freedom in Texas.

• 1:15:33Joe Rogan?

  No, if you want flavor, you have to have that and a stick of gum. If you live in California, you can get your cinnamon gum and you can chew your cinnamon gum with your fucking no flavors Zen. And you could have a nice little experience, almost like you have a cinnamon Zen, but you're not allowed to have a cinnamon Zen because you're too much of a fucking baby. You can't control yourself.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, and even outside.

• 1:15:54Joe Rogan?

  No gambling either, you fuck.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Dude, I mean, you know, I'm on the road all the time. Yeah, right. As I, and you go throughout this whole country and it's like, yeah, people don't smoke anymore. That was effective. I mean, they not like the way they used to, you know, there's not people smoking cigarettes like that. But every single town I go to in this entire country has an Arby's and a Burger King and a KFC and like they have every single town, even when they have nothing else.

• 1:16:17Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  They have every single type of fast food. And you wa, you look around and like everybody's obese, everyone's unhealthy. I mean, when you rattle off, you know, when, when Bobby Kennedy gave that speech, when he threw his support behind Donald Trump. And I was watching that with my wife and my mother-in-law. They both like have tears in their eyes as he's just reading down the stats of how unhealthy we are as a country. It's just, you know, um, man, one thing, and I'm really, really glad that, uh, that Bobby ran for president this year, and I'm really glad he ended up throwing his support behind Trump and hopefully he gets a really important position in there. But the one thing that I almost felt like you couldn't argue with him, that even if you

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  don't blame the same culprits that he blames, which is what they love to, to say, it's like, how is everyone not talking about this? How is this not an issue that every single presidential candidate has to address?

• 1:17:13Joe Rogan?

  It's killing people.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  And our kids. It's killing kids and it's making people way more vulnerable to a host of other diseases, including cancers. It's terrible for you. Cardiovascular, like the 77%, I think Bobby said, 73% of all American boys are not eligible for the military. So they are unfit to serve because they're either obese or they have a host of these metabolic conditions that have come about from poor diet.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  And from poison, from eating poison. Essentially, you're eating, you're slow dosing your body with poison and sugar all day long, and that's most people. And we don't do anything about that, but then we try to regulate vapes.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Have you, do you know, uh, do you know Nicole Shanahan?

• 1:18:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yes. I haven't met her in person, but, uh, I actually did a FaceTime with her, and I think Willie D. from the Ghetto Boys.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Really? That's an odd pairing together. I think she's great. Uh, I had her on my podcast a couple of times. And it's just-

• 1:18:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 77% of young Americans between the age of 17 and 24 are not considered fit for military service. Unbelievable, dude.

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Eleven health, well, mental health, and that's to substance abuse, education, social and behavioral factors, criminal records, um, US military is facing a recruitment crisis due to these challenges, as well as a lack of interest among young people. So, it's, uh, only 11% is like physically so unhealthy that they can't do it. That's obesity, actually. So, there's probably a bunch of other conditions other than obesity.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Um, mental health issues, um, I wonder, it says significant factors. I wonder what number that is. I bet drug and alcohol abuse is a big one.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:04Joe Rogan?

  That's a big one. Uh, it says 8% for drug and alcohol abuse. So, I wonder how much the mental health is. I bet that's a big one. Doesn't say, does it?

• 1:19:14Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out, because that seems like there's a lot of people out there with mental health conditions. Medical, physical health, drug and alcohol abuse, 8%, medical, physical health, 7%. What does it say about mental, though? Mental health and overweight conditions? Hmm. Oh, there, 4% mental health, 7% medical, physical, only 8% drug abuse, 11% overweight. Wow.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Dude, she, um, uh,

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Look at this, 44%, though, more than one reason or condition. Forty-four, almost half, more than one of these problems that makes you ineligible. That's crazy.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  I was, uh, damn, I can't remember what town I was in, but, uh, so Nicole Shanahan, who I, I think she's great, um, and, uh, was really, really interesting. I had her on my podcast twice, just really, really smart lady who's really knows a lot about this stuff. She sent me this, like, video that she posted, um, and so I'm in a hotel room, and, uh, I was there with, uh, my, my buddy, Rob Bernstein, who's a co-host of my podcast, Part of the Problem, very, very funny comedian, very smart guy, um, and so we're, I've literally, I, I was texting with him. And we were like on our way to go to the show. So I was like, hey, meet in the lobby in 10 minutes. Uh, and then I got an Uber taking us to the comedy club. I can't remember where we were.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  And Nicole Shannon sends me this video. Uh, it was like a video that she put out on Twitter. Uh, I didn't know what it was gonna be, you know, she just sent me it and I just click on it and play it. And it was just about like what her family went through with their kids, you know, like, like illnesses and stuff. And it's like, and it's the most touching video ever. And I'm literally sit down, it's so powerful that I sit down. And I'm just watching this whole thing. I started crying watching it. Cause I got kids with health issues really cuts close to the bone for me. Um, but as I'm sitting there just like, like literally sobbing, watching this video is so emotional. And then literally it just dawns on me in the middle of it that I'm supposed to meet my comedian friend in one minute in the lobby.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  To go to this show. I was just sitting here like, what am I doing? I'm sitting in my hotel room crying about these kids. But anyway, the point of, of it is, is that like, hey, look, I don't know enough about this stuff. You know, I know about stuff that I know about. I don't, I don't know enough about this. I really should educate myself more on it. But if your argument is that like, um, that Bobby and Nicole are blaming the wrong culprits. You know, it's not the vaccines and it's not the, the wifi and it's not the, like, okay, I don't know. But like, what is it then? And why are you not interested in this? Why are they the only ones who are talking about this? You're telling me we lead the world in chronic illness? And that's not something that comes up in any presidential election ever, other than when Bobby Kennedy runs for president?

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  That's insane.

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  You don't think the increase in the number of autism cases is a, an area we should discover? We should look into, we should investigate? You think that that's all been figured out? Like, why are you so convinced?

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  And explain, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm, I'm letting you know that I'm, I'm somewhat ignorant on this subject. So just like, explain it to me like I'm really, really stupid. Talk slowly. Okay, I can understand where if you're talking about, um, very mild autism, okay? Like what we used to call Asperger's, uh, which I guess they don't call it that anymore. But if you're talking about mild- autism and you want to convince me that that went undiagnosed in the past? I can totally believe that. There is no way that moderate or severe autism went undiagnosed. It may have not been correctly diagnosed, but you did not not notice that.

• 1:22:57Joe Rogan?

  But there's enough of a rise in numbers that it should be a concern for everyone.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  I'm saying there's no possible way that there isn't an increase going on here. Because obviously, even even in the 1940s or in the 1950s, if someone was non-verbal, they would have noticed that.

• 1:23:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  They would have noticed that this, you know what I mean?

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  If there was a lot of kids like that in your school, you'd know.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  There's no way, you would have called it something. Maybe you wouldn't have like understood it the way we understand it today. And and thank God, people do understand it better and there's a lot more um. There's a lot more tools that are provided and there's a lot more awareness about it and and and special schools and things like that. But come on, like there's, you know, so much of this is um, it's one of the, one of the things that exposes the how how full of shit our whole system is. Is when you just see that there's no even desire to get to the bottom of this. It's like the Trump assassination attempts.

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  But not only that.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  No desire.

• 1:23:55Joe Rogan?

  There's no desire to get to the bottom of it and it's about children.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Which are the most vulnerable people that we all should be protecting. But they're so entrenched in this ideology that you have to trust science. And if you're a vaccine denier, you're a bad person, like no one's a vaccine denier. What we're saying is there may be a correlation. And there may be something that if investigated, it shows has been covered up. And there may be a situation where the vaccine companies have complete immunity to prosecution. They can never be held liable, which was the only way that they could still manufacture these things. Because they said that they cannot be safe and effective.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  They cannot be safe for everybody. There's going to be side effects.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  That's exactly right, dude.

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  And they can't be liable for those side effects because then they would go under. This is like, this is what set this whole chain in motion where when I was a kid, you got three vaccines. Now you have 72.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  It's wild.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  And it's, and it reminds me kind of of a. You remember like when they were trying to push the covid passports, the vaccine passports? And the logic would just fall apart on its face like you're like, wait a minute, you're like, you, you're telling me the vaccine is 100% effective. You're saying if you take the vaccine, you can't get covid or spread covid. And then you're also telling me that the people who are vaccinated in this restaurant need to be protected from the unvaccinated entering this restaurant. That doesn't make sense. I'm sorry, I'm not a genius, but I can figure out the logic in that does not is flawed, okay? And in the same, in the same sense, though, it's like, so what is the, if you're arguing that all these vaccines are safe and Bobby Kennedy's a kook, then why do they need the liability protection?

• 1:25:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes, absolutely. There was also another thing that they did, it didn't make any sense. Cause it went against the science and they were saying that if you don't get vaccinated, it's going to cause variants. And that's not what they say. What, what people who study viruses and vaccines say is you do not vaccinate during a pandemic with a non-sterilizing vaccine. So, meaning if vaccine, if you give it to someone and they could still transmit and they could still catch the disease, you're going to cause these variants. And there is a scientific paper that I posted like the early into the pandemic that said this and people got so upset at me, I'm like, tell me what this says.

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  What this said, well, there's virologists that would go on these podcasts that, you know, they'd have to be the people that are willing to step outside the line and say these things. They're saying this is not what you ever do during a pandemic. Cause you're going to create variants and that's exactly what happened. And people start, doctors started blaming the variants on the unvaccinated. But if you question those doctors, explain to me how that works. There's no fucking answer. It's just a narrative that they were have to say, vaccine good, anything else bad, ivermectin, you're crazy, killing people, death, blood on your hands. It was all a psyop and it was super effective. And it was a way for them to make ungodly amounts of money and that's what it was. And the quicker we accept that and realize that we're vulnerable to that kind of shit,

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  if we still keep following along the same kind of lines that we're on today. If, as soon as we realize that, the better off we all are, all of us.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think, I think I got here in a kind of similar way to you, which is I think a story for like millions of Americans, is that I never even thought about this issue. I never dove into reading a lot about any vaccine until there was this COVID vaccine. And then I really dove into it and read a lot about it and found out that you guys were lying through your fucking teeth about the whole goddamn thing. And that the whole clinical trials were totally rigged and totally fake and that you were able to get everybody in the like, um, the, the scientific institutions of our government to all repeat these lies. And then everybody in the corporate media and the political class to repeat these lies.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  And then when Bobby Kennedy came along and said, well, you know how that was all bullshit? There's a lot of bullshit with these other vaccines. I was like, I'm listening. That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't seem unreasonable at all. And the fact that they were trying to silence legitimate scientists, doctors, professors at major universities for stepping outside the lines. They were trying to remove them from Twitter. They were trying to silence them. They worked in conjunction with the original Twitter to do that. They silenced real experts. You know, and when that lady from Twitter had to testify in front of Congress, it was amazing. That was amazing. And watch those people grill her. Like, are you a doctor? Like, why are you silencing doctors?

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  It was the same, that was the same, uh, the one you had on, right?

• 1:28:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  With Tim Poole. And one of the interesting things about that was, uh, which is, that was a great, still probably one of my all-time favorite JRE episodes. Uh, but it was when, you know, when she was, they were, uh, arguing that like they don't have a bias. And then, uh, I think Tim was like, yeah, but you ban people for like, uh, dead naming or misgendering.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  And she was like, well, yeah, I mean, that's, that's hateful. And you're like, yeah, but that's a bias. Like, that right there is a bias.

• 1:28:57Joe Rogan?

  That's a bias.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  And it's one thing when you're just talking about like, whether we're calling somebody a boy or a girl, but then you realize like, oh, you have the exact same thing when it actually comes to like, very important medical information about a product that Americans are being forced to take.

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Uh, this is madness.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  No matter what you say, they're being forced. They're being forced if they want to fly. They're getting forced if they want to work in a place that has more than a hundred people. If the workplace mandates it, forced if they want to go to a university, forced, forced, forced.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  And, and they were, they were implementing in a totally unconstitutional way. Uh, they were going to through OSHA, through workplace safety, like just the, the most blatantly unconstitutional, uh, proposal. That Joe Biden was going to make it the law of the land that every single business with a hundred people or more had to have everybody vaccinated. And it was only because of Donald Trump Supreme Court that that got struck down. And that's something that people who are paying attention remember. And so like, okay, you can demonize Donald Trump all you want to. But how many millions of Americans were not fired from their job, did not lose their livelihood because they refused?

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Or were not vaccine injured for a vaccine that they never needed to take? I mean, how many people fell into the category that like me and you and so many other people fell into? Where we got the thing and beat it real quickly before we ever got vaccinated, then just didn't need it. And then it just didn't make any sense, even, even with the information we had about the vaccine back then, which we have a lot more now. But even back then, I mean, you were, you looked CNN's doctor right in the eyes. And he goes, well, are you going to get the vaccine? And you go, no, I just beat COVID. Why would I need to? And he had no answer for you. He had no reason why. There's no compelling reason why you should.

• 1:30:44Joe Rogan?

  Join the team.

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  That's all it is. They are, I mean, I had a very intelligent friend that I had a conversation with. You're going to get vaccinated now? I go, why would I do that? It was a weird conversation. I go, I beat it in three days. Like, I wasn't even that sick, man. Like, I made a video three days later explaining, and I got in trouble because I took the wrong medication to get better. Are you guys out of your fucking mind? Like, if you, if you were really worried about people's health and safety, when you say, hey, what's this 57-year-old guy doing getting over this so easy? What's he doing different? What's he doing different?

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  And you go, oh, he's very serious about his health. Oh, he takes really good care of himself. By the way, I had, you enjoyed me giving the business to Chris Cuomo over there. That was one of my favorite moments of this year.

• 1:31:26Joe Rogan?

  He fell apart. He was trying to do CNN outside of CNN.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, like when he said, I've never said that. And then they pull up the clip like immediately of him demonizing.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Shout out to, uh, Patrick Bit David's, uh, crew, because they really had my back on that one.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  You know, it's not like I didn't send them that clip before or anything, but they, they in real time, in real time, had that ready to go.

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  They had a Jamie too.

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they had, everybody's got a Jamie now.

• 1:31:52Joe Rogan?

  Not Jamie, not Jamie, there's only one Jamie.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  There's only one, there's only one Jamie, but there's a lot of, of, uh, knockoffs.

• 1:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of knockoffs. But the fact that you checked him in real time and he just had to sit there and eat it. It's just, they were puppets. They were puppets for the system. They were doing it because that was their job. That's how you get ahead in your career. You want to be the main guy at CNN. That's what you do. And that's what they were doing. And now he's not doing it anymore. Good luck to him. I hope he does stay on an independent path and, and becomes an objective person. And he's, he's made some strides towards that, I think. I think he's taken some fucking lumps and I think you beat the fuck out of him in that debate. That debate was, uh, Mike Tyson's early fights. You see that fucking white dude with the muffin top who just gets flatlined in 15 seconds. That's what that was.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  I just mean, look, man, and it's not really like a comment on me. It's not that I'm so amazing at debates. It's just like, the argument here is so weak.

• 1:32:44Joe Rogan?

  You're pretty good at it.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  I appreciate that. I'm not bad at it.

• 1:32:47Joe Rogan?

  But also.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  But I'm just right about this.

• 1:32:49Joe Rogan?

  The facts were on your side.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that's, that's my, my superpower isn't that I'm like the smartest guy or the best at debates. It's just that like, I'm, I'm right in what I'm arguing. And that makes it much easier. Um, you know, I got, uh, there was a, um, an organization that was pitching me on a debate. A two on two debate, which I don't really like doing two on two debates. Um, I've done like.

• 1:33:11Joe Rogan?

  Too many people talking.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  It's too much. Yeah. Yeah. One on one is the way to do it. Um, but they, they pitched me this like months after that. I think it was, if I'm not wrong, I think the topic was about whether Joe Biden should drop out of the race or not. And they pitched me that it would be a two on two debate, uh, against two people. I don't remember who, who were saying he should stay in. And it was going to be me and Chris Cuomo against them. And I told them, I was like, no, no, I will not be on his side. And like, I don't, you know, I, I'm kind of over, you know, I, I.

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  We had our thing. I gave him a beating. I think he deserved it. But I'm just like, listen, man, I'll team up with like a left winger on something I agree with. I'll team up with a right winger on something I agree with. I'll, I'll team up with like a moderate on something I agree with. But no, not the corporate media guy who was the number one show at CNN. Like, I'm not on their side. Even if I'm on their side on this issue, I'm against them. And I, I know that this has probably been a theme of like every single time I'm on this show over the last, uh, 10 years or whatever it's been. Um, but I just, and maybe it's a problem.

• 1:34:12Joe Rogan?

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• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  I hate them so much. And I really think they deserve it. And it's not just that they lie about everything. It's like they lie about everything and then they have the nerve to morally judge us. Like, if you just watch even just the last few weeks of the Trump election. They're not in the business of reporting the news. They're totally just in the business of making you feel like you're a bad person if you don't fall in line with the regime. And, you know, like, it's like, all of us know, right? Everybody knows this. America has this giant war machine, right? Like, we're just always at war. We're the most war-hungry country in the world. Even if we're taking a little bit of a break from a war, we'll fight two more proxy wars while we do that.

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  America looks back at the 90s, Bill Clinton, as the time of peace and prosperity. We call it peace because we only fought a war in, like, Serbia and had a blockade around Iraq and were, like, bombing the crap out of Iraq with a few other military interventions in there, too. You know, the UN estimated that Bill Clinton's sanction and bombing regime of Iraq. Okay, everyone just thinks of George H.W. Bush's war and W's war. But Bill Clinton was bombing Iraq his whole, and he had a full blockade around the country. The UN estimated that 500,000 children died of starvation or malnutrition due to the blockade. Now, I've heard people argue, by the way, that that number is exaggerated.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Maybe it wasn't 500,000, maybe it was only 100,000. So, that's the time that we consider peace. When we were just starving a hundred thousand children to death in Iraq. And you, everybody in the corporate media are in the business. Every single one of those wars, you've sold them. Everyone, my entire life, the media has sold those wars. And you're gonna morally look down on me? You're gonna judge me? Motherfucker, you're in the business of baby murder. Get the fuck out of here. You're looking down judging an American because I maybe I'm gonna vote for Donald Trump? Or maybe I dare to question the results of the last election? Fuck you, dude. And man, and it was a challenge debating him because they were playing the clips.

• 1:38:29Speaker 01

  You know, even before they played that clip that sunned him because he had said he didn't say that. And then he clearly did. But they were just playing the clips of the way they were talking to people during COVID. And the pandemic of the unvaccinated. And it's you, Mr. Vaccine Skeptic. You're the reason why this. And man, it was getting me angry. Like, I was just like, all right, I gotta, I gotta control this here because this is too.

• 1:38:51Joe Rogan?

  But how sweet is it that he's on ivermectin now? I mean, how sweet is that, though? That is the nuttiest part of it all.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Could you just set someone up for a better?

• 1:39:00Joe Rogan?

  He wants to say long COVID. Like, hey, buddy, let me tell you something. If you got a novel medication injected into your body more than once, you probably had to do it twice. You probably at least had to get one booster. And you have some problem and you're saying this long-term problem is COVID, long COVID? Are you sure? Are you sure? Or maybe that medicine they injected into your body, you got vaccine injured?

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Joe Rogan?

  You don't want to say that, though, because you still want some sort of a job in corporate media. So you have to toe the line. You should be very concerned that this novel before never mass injected into people. Who knows how many different people are gonna have different results from some medication? Some terrible fucking weird way their biology interacts with this medication. It's gonna cause a horrible side effect. And now you're on ivermectin to treat that. That's rich.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  And, and the, the way he tried to spin it. That he wasn't, but, but, but he tried to say, cause I mean, he was so, he really should've just thrown in the white towel. He, he would've done much better for himself in that debate. If you go, listen, I was at CNN and I kinda just took for granted that they have the best experts and so I trusted their experts and now I realize they were, if he had said that, that would've been very hard. I, I still would've been harsh on him, but it would've been a different conversation and a different dynamic. What he did was he refused to admit that and then, and this is really what got me, is that then he started kinda like attacking my motives? Like he was like, oh yeah, no, he goes, I know that, you know, this is probably good for your podcast numbers and stuff, but, but like as if I'm, I don't really believe what I'm saying. I'm just doing this to make money.

• 1:40:45Joe Rogan?

  They function. That's why they're accusing you of functioning that way. They're accusing you of doing things just cause you know they're gonna be outrageous and get a lot of views.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  Which is, but you know, like you know me, I don't do that.

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't do that. I don't do that. I have the number one podcast in the world and I don't do anything based on how many views I think it's gonna get. That's a fact.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you nev, you don't like, there is nothing I say that I don't believe. I might be wrong about some stuff, but I, everything I say, I believe. I'm not like ever saying anything cause just like, oh, this will, you know, like bring in bigger numbers or something like that.

• 1:41:17Joe Rogan?

  They think that way. That's why he's accusing you of that. Cause like that's, that's a motivation for people that are in that industry. If you're in the fucking industry of being a mouthpiece for network news, like there's a very narrow window of behavior that you have to operate under. You have to like, you have to stay inside these lines and the, whatever, if you're on Fox or if you're on CBC, CNBC or whatever it is, MSNBC, anyone, you have a narrative. They have a narrative in the office. There's a culture. There's a way people think about that and this is your job. So you're gonna do the things that you think are gonna get you more ratings. You're gonna do the stories that are gonna get people more outraged. That's how you're thinking. It's the wrong way to think when you're on the internet.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  And they also have, um, they, there's a real incentive.

• 1:42:04Speaker 01

  To never consider like what I said about them being in the baby murder business. Cause that's, you know, that's pretty rough to think of yourself as that. And you know, I remember um, this one time I watched a um, a documentary on abortion. And it was like a very pro-choice.

• 1:42:19Joe Rogan?

  How much free time do you have?

• 1:42:21Speaker 01

  This was, this was before I had kids. This was before I had kids. I had so much free time before I had kids.

• 1:42:25Joe Rogan?

  If I'm gonna unwind in front of the TV, that's the last thing I'm gonna watch.

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  I'm a weird guy too. But anyway, that's what I was, that's what I do.

• 1:42:32Joe Rogan?

  I might though.

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  But well, it was, I forget where it was. It might have been on Netflix or something.

• 1:42:36Joe Rogan?

  Know what was going on.

• 1:42:37Speaker 01

  Well, I was, I was kinda interested in the, the subject and, you know, was before I had kids. Uh, but I, I remember I was watching, it had a very pro-choice bent. And there was this abortionist, this abortion doctor, this lady, and she was like, uh, she was like, listen. I've been uh, an abortion doctor for 30 years, and let me just tell you something. There is no moral issue with having an abortion. It's a thing in a petri dish. It's not a human being. But I remember just watching it and being like, well, yeah, but like you better feel that way. Cause if you even start to entertain the possibility that, that, oof, what does that make you? So there's this very powerful social incentive for them to like, dig their heels in.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  And not admit that like, oh, the United States of America, the greatest country in the history of the world, with more freedom and prosperity and the cultivated the greatest economy and the greatest, you know, music and literature and just everything that is this superpower. Oh, we presided over the bankruptcy, destruction, and like, the devolving into nothing more than a like, military industrial complex, big bank, big pharmaceutical, most corrupt nation on earth. And we didn't cover that. We watched all of that happen, and not only did we not cover it, we demonized anybody who covered it. And we, we were at every, you know, like, that's very difficult to ever confront.

• 1:44:03Speaker 01

  And it's always just so much easier for human beings to just go, nope, the problem is misinformation and Russia and racism.

• 1:44:12Joe Rogan?

  They were saying that the number one um, thing for women was abortion. That was, that was the, the narrative that was being expressed over and over again. It was the number one issue for them. The number one concern.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  What was the only political winner they had?

• 1:44:28Joe Rogan?

  Did you see what Kurt Metzger tweeted?

• 1:44:30Speaker 01

  No. No, but I want to.

• 1:44:33Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, give me a second. He's the man. Kurt is the fucking best when things are flying and everything gets crazy. I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, he's so funny.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  He is one of the funniest human beings on the planet, for sure.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  He's a mess in the green room. He's just like, he's just like, he got me down rabbit hole after rabbit hole. You didn't hear about this? And he's like, more conspiracy, I'm like Kurt, I'm trying to like, enjoy this experience of being at the comedy club and Donald Trump's about the way you're hitting me with conspiracy after conspiracy after conspiracy.

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got, listen, you get caught on the side of the bar at Mitzi's with Kurt Metzger, you might be in for a, you might be in for a night.

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  And he's looming and he's big, big giant guy. Christina Applegate, right? Why? Give me your reasons why. My child is sobbing because her rights as a woman may be taken away. Why? And if you disagree, please unfollow me. Kurt says, good news, if she got all her COVID shots, she's probably sterile now anyway. Also, what the fuck is a woman?

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  Also, could you imagine a child, imagine a child, and your child is sobbing because their right to kill a baby inside of them might be taken away? I don't believe that's true.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  It's very hard.

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe that's true unless you've distorted what we're talking about to that child. And said that someone's gonna tell that child what they can and can't do with their body, like in some sort of weird dystopian way, like, what did you say to that kid? Do you explain what an abortion is? Do you explain how they came about? They were in your body and then they came out. Now they're a little tiny person that's like super vulnerable? And you want to protect their right to kill a little tiny person inside of them? I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to do it and I'm, I'm not, I'm not a woman. I should not have the choice of what a woman can and can't do with her body. I would not want a man, if I was a woman, to tell me what the fuck I can do with my body.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  And I think if somehow, and I think it's all connected to religion, and if somehow or another, someone decided, and this would be a very minor comparison and not nearly as consequential, but if someone decided that men could no longer get hysterectomies, or excuse me, vasectomies. If men could no longer get vasectomies because of religious reasons, because of some Sharia law. Or whatever the fuck it is, you you cannot do that. Men would be outraged. If women were forcing it on men, we have low population, you cannot get vasectomies like what we'd be like, what the fuck is going on? And you've, I want to go to Oklahoma to get a vasectomy because it's legal there. And then they they track you, were you in Oklahoma to get a vasectomy? Like, what? What the fuck? Men would be outraged. That's happening with abortion. There's talk of doing that with abortion.

• 1:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Where in states where it's illegal, women are not going to be allowed to travel in the United States of America. Where you're supposed to have freedom to go to a place where you're going to have a legal medical procedure. It's legal in that place. Whether you agree with it or not, if you're going to believe in states' rights, and you don't think that this is a giant prison where you have to show your ID when you go into Arizona, you should be able to drive around, right? That's the whole idea of one country. You can go to where the fuck you want to go. It's not your business. There's other things to worry about. Worry about these fucking gangs that are taking over apartment buildings. Worry about the border. Worry about South Central Los Angeles. Worry about the South Side of Chicago and fucking gang violence that kills more people than half the wars we have going on right now. Worry about important shit. Don't worry about what a guy wants to do to get a vasectomy.

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  Or way worse, a woman wants to do if she's trying to get an abortion. It's not your fucking business.

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  I think that if the argument is that abortion is killing a baby, which like, there is an argument to, then I can understand the argument being, hey, that shouldn't be allowed. Now, obviously, I do think there are situations where it's pretty indefensible to force a woman to carry a baby to term, you know?

• 1:48:19Joe Rogan?

  You could risk her life. There's a lot of rape, incest.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  Also, health, major health issues. I mean, there are these situations where you find out that there is some, you know, congenital disease where this this kid is not going to make it to three years old. And I would never dream of like, forcing, you know what I mean, that decision on parents rather than allowing them to make it. There is also.

• 1:48:43Speaker 01

  A different, the vast majority of abortions are not that, you know? And the vast majority of abortions are essentially, people just don't want to have kids right now. And that's a little bit, that's much tougher to defend than those cases. But I will say that one of the things that always like, I find striking to me is that, because I'm like a radical libertarian. And it's very interesting to me that like progressive Democrats all of a sudden become radical libertarians, but only on one issue. And they make literally exactly, I'm not even saying the libertarian position is to be pro-choice. There's libertarians who are pro-life and libertarians who are pro-choice. But the argument they make is a libertarian one.

• 1:49:25Speaker 01

  They're like, listen, I own my body, it's my body, it's my choice. The government shouldn't be involved in healthcare decisions. We believe in freedom, this is a basic fundamental right. It's a very libertarian argument. And it's just interesting that you only apply that to this one area. There's not any other area where that any progressive Democrat would ever go, you know, if we're talking about Obamacare, or we're talking about regulation, or we're talking about taxes. They would never go, hey, listen, this is my money, this is my body, this is my choice, the government shouldn't be involved in that. You know what I'm saying? And like, there is something that's very bizarre about that. Uh, where it's kind of like, maybe with immigration, they kind of try to use that in an argument to like, oh, you shouldn't stop a person, freedom of movement type thing.

• 1:50:08Speaker 01

  They don't really do that anymore because it's been such a disaster. Um, but it's just very strange to me that it's like, oh, what, you all become radical libertarians? Like only when it comes to this thing, which is kind of murdering a baby?

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  But then there's the other side that says, we're going to leave it up to the states. Okay, well, if you get rid of Roe v. Wade and you leave it up to the states, if someone wants to go to another state where it is legal and you want to stop them from doing that or prosecute them when they come back to your state.

• 1:50:33Speaker 01

  That seems to be a problem.

• 1:50:34Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem. Cause then it's like.

• 1:50:36Speaker 01

  You can't prosecute me for gambling in Vegas.

• 1:50:38Joe Rogan?

  Right. Do you own that person's body? What if that person decides to get an apartment in Oklahoma?

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:50:43Joe Rogan?

  And now they kind of live there sometimes. What are you gonna do?

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  It also, it seems-

• 1:50:47Joe Rogan?

  Is it where their driver's license is? Like, what is that?

• 1:50:50Speaker 01

  It also just seems, uh, um, I don't even know what the word is. It seems like incoherent or unsustainable to say that if you're not breaking a law in the area where you are, that you could then be held responsible for that when you come back to it. Cause again, like, it's, you know, you go to a state where recreational marijuana is legal, or where gambling's legal, or whatever. You know, the idea that, it's like, if there's like, the speed limit was 80 miles per hour in the town over, and then I come back and I get a speeding ticket-

• 1:51:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  -for driving too fast over there, where you're allowed to do that. So that seems unworkable, uh, to me.

• 1:51:25Joe Rogan?

  That's a great analogy.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  That's a great analogy. It's men, too. It's men controlling women's bodies. That's, that's the thing of it. That freaks people out. And it's a step in the wrong direction. If you, if you got rid of Roe v. Wade, and that's what you did, so now people have to go to a place where it's legal. If you're stuck in a state, and you don't have the resources, but you are pregnant and you wanna make a decision for your own body, that's not up to men to decide. If you really believe in states' rights, and you really believe the United States is one cohesive community, you should be able to travel to do whatever the fuck you want. You wanna get your dick tattooed? You want, whatever you wanna get. You wanna get forehead implants so you look like a unicorn? Whatever the fuck you wanna do. If you wanna travel to go do that, including if you wanna do something that's legal, it's a medical procedure that maybe I don't look, that I frown upon, but if they decided in

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  that state that it's legal, you should be able to do it there.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I, I think that, um, the, the reasonable compromise for right now is Roe v. Wade was struck down, it's a states' rights issue, but yes, I agree with you. The tracking of what you do in another state where it is legal in that state, that, first of all, just seems unworkable to me. I don't see how that's possibly gonna happen. Um, and then I do feel like that's gonna have to go back to the Supreme Court anyway, because it's such a precedent that you could be prosecuted for doing something that was legal in the area that you did it.

• 1:52:41Joe Rogan?

  It's creepy. It's creepy. And it's an infringement on rights. I don't like it. Even if I don't like, even if I, you know, I wasn't a pro-choice person, if I didn't like the idea of abortion, I like less the idea of the government telling you what the fuck you can do and whether or not they can discover what you did in some other state. Like, shut up.

• 1:52:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  That's, it's, you can't do that. And that's what I think a lot of women are fearful of, and a lot of that, I don't know- If, I don't know how much of a push there is to make something like that happen. We tried to find that about Texas the other day. There was one case, but we just kept talking. What was that one case, Jamie? There was something in Texas where someone maybe traveled to get an abortion? Cause in Texas, it's six weeks. Which is kind of crazy. Like, you don't have any time. You barely have enough time to realize you're pregnant. For a lot of women.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  You're, well, I mean, you're probably not even gonna test positive on a, like, a home pregnancy test, I think, for like 28 days or something like that. So you got two weeks, essentially.

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  Uh, after that.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  To find out, make a decision, do what you gotta do. And that you have to make sure you get in under the wire, or you can get prosecuted. Like, seven weeks, you're in jail.

• 1:53:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:53Joe Rogan?

  Which is kind of crazy.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  Yep. Look, it's very, I, I don't know, it's, it's tough. When you're drawing a line, it's very tough. It's very tough to find a line, other than conception, that's not arbitrary.

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  Right. Bill Burr had the best bit. His bit about was fantastic.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:11Joe Rogan?

  I believe in woman's right to choose, but I think you're killing the baby.

• 1:54:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:14Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like, Jesus Christ, he's dead on.

• 1:54:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:17Joe Rogan?

  He's dead on.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, Louis CK had a great one, too. I can't remember, that was an old Louis bit, he had a great abortion bit, too.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a thing that I always say, that if, uh, men can get pregnant, abortion be an app on your phone. You'd be able to get a fucking abortion at the gas station. You'd be like, fill it up and take this out, like, I'm not, fuck that girl, I'm not carrying her baby.

• 1:54:37Speaker 03

  But she was, think this is the case, and it's a little confusing, I think.

• 1:54:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay. A Texas woman who was jailed and charged with murder after self-managing an abortion, what does that mean? Can move forward with her lawsuit against the local sheriff and prosecutors over the case that drew national outrage before the charges were quickly dropped. A federal judge ruled on Wednesday. So US District Judge Drew B. Tipton denied a motion by prosecutors and the sheriff to dismiss the lawsuit. During a hearing in the border city of McAllen. Lizelle Gonzalez, who spent two nights in jail on the murder charges, is seeking $1 million in damages in the lawsuit, did not attend the hearing. Texas, Texas is one of the most, one of the nation's most restrictive abortion bans, and outlaws the procedure with limited exceptions.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Under Texas law, women seeking an abortion are exempt from criminal charges, however. So why did they charge her? What did she do?

• 1:55:31Speaker 01

  What is self-managing an abortion?

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean? Oh, she took a drug. So Gonzalez was indicted in 2022 after she took the drug misoprostal while 19 weeks pregnant. She was treated at Texas hospital where doctors later performed a cesarean section to deliver a stillborn child after they detected no fetal heartbeat. This is a little different.

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  19 weeks is pretty late, too.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is different. The charges were dropped just days after the woman's arrest. Okay, this is different. This is not someone going to another state. So I think that is probably, uh, J.D. Vance said he hadn't heard of that before, and he certainly wouldn't want to put those kind of restrictions on people ever. But when you leave it, leave it up to the states, if you're stuck in one of those states, that's where women get really freaked out that Roe v. Wade was overturned.

• 1:56:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, look, it's not, none of these things are perfect compromises. And so even, one of the things is interesting is like for so long conservatives wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade, and it always seemed like a pipe dream, like it was never going to actually happen. But then, when you do overturn Roe v. Wade, you do realize that it's like, nobody's really happy. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, uh, the, the blue states are still gonna have like, unrestricted, you know, rules about it. So the red, the right wing people aren't happy. And then the red states are gonna be more restrictive, so the left wingers aren't happy about it. It is, you know, it's one of those issues that is, uh, enormously complex, and it's very difficult, you know, I'm not sure there is like a legal solution to it.

• 1:57:06Speaker 01

  I think it's a much more of a cultural issue. It's like, if you're gonna, if you were living in a society where, say, it was more similar to my grandfather's society, where it was very normal that you married your high school sweetheart. Um, it was very normal that people waited till marriage to have sex, and it was very typical that you got married at 19 or 20. Well, I'm not saying they, they did, but I just mean it was much more typical

• 1:57:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:32Speaker 01

  to get married at 19 and be married for 60 years or whatever.

• 1:57:37Speaker 01

  It's much easier to have rules about abortion in that society.

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:42Speaker 01

  You know, whereas like if you're in like a hookup culture world where most people are not, you know, people are getting married at like 35 if they get married at all. And they're spending from like 17 to 35, being with many different partners.

• 1:57:56Joe Rogan?

  Using apps.

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're just gonna come in and just write a law on top of that. It's just a very, it's a very difficult situation. But, you know, to your initial point, it's like the Dems were running on that because that was really the only political winner that they had. That was the only issue that people actually really cared about and they were on the Democrat's side about it. And that's, that's why they had to run on that. It's why Kamala Harris, which was one of the craziest things of this whole campaign, one of the most amazing things, is that they actually tried to just run on nothing.

• 1:58:27Joe Rogan?

  One of my favorites was that Tim Walz tried to claim that his wife got pregnant through in vitro fertilization. And she said that's not true. So he lied about that.

• 1:58:35Speaker 01

  What a weird guy he was.

• 1:58:36Joe Rogan?

  His wife had to come out and say he was lying.

• 1:58:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, so something, okay.

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  That guy lied about everything. He lied about being a head coach. He was an assistant coach. Lied about his military rank, lied about whether or not he served in a war, lied about whether or not he was in Tiananmen Square.

• 1:58:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  Fucking lies about everything.

• 1:58:57Speaker 01

  Well, see, what happened is, right? So Obama, who was obviously a very, very smart guy and, you know, incredibly talented politician, at least in, while he was running for president, he was. Um, I think he's lost a step, but, uh, so Obama still was a bit of a narcissist. And he wanted to pick Joe Biden as his VP. He didn't want someone who was gonna outshine him. And so he picked Joe Biden, who, you know, if you, even before he went senile, was never particularly bright. So he picked Joe Biden as his, his VP. And then Joe Biden, well, he wanted some, some, uh, diversity points. And he also wanted someone to not outshine him, because now he was becoming senile and he was never that bright to begin with.

• 1:59:42Speaker 01

  So he picks Kamala Harris to be his VP. And then Kamala Harris. Needs to pick someone who won't outshine her. You know what I mean? So it's like the idiocracy just like spun out of control real quick. Where all of a sudden you get to like the third VP in a row and you're like, yo, really? This is who you picked?

• 2:00:02Joe Rogan?

  He's a knucklehead.

• 2:00:03Speaker 01

  You know what's it's crazy is that this was in in many ways, this was a this presidential election was just so wild and so different from anything I've ever seen in my lifetime. You know, I'm 41 and this was different than any other presidential election of my lifetime for sure. And I think substantially before that. Yeah, I think I think before that too. But then there were these things that were also just like very conventional explanations for why you look at this Trump blowout. And it's almost like as you look back at it, it's like, yeah, what you guys thought you could get away with it is just just very basic things that like Donald Trump picked a VP who, whether you like him or not, is a pretty impressive guy.

• 2:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Very impressive.

• 2:00:41Speaker 01

  Pretty impressive guy. There's a guy who went to who was raised by a single parent who was a drug addict and ended up serving the country, going to an Ivy League school, becoming a venture capitalist, becoming a senator. And and can sit and have a conversation with you for three hours and be very intelligent and expressive.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  And have fun. He had fun.

• 2:01:00Speaker 01

  However, you feel about him, objectively, an impressive person. He picked a VP that could help him. He could do things that Trump can't do. You know, like he could go on on a show and and really make the case pretty well in a hostile environment. He's got a very high verbal IQ, clearly. You know, he's a very intelligent guy. She picked a VP who can't do anything to help her, who's like the weirdest human being you've ever seen like, like, what was the strategy here, guys? And they actually, they really just banked on being not Trump. They go, you know, all of the things that she ran on four years ago, she walked away from every position and didn't have an answer for any of them.

• 2:01:41Speaker 01

  Didn't have an answer for what like, it's totally fine to change your mind on something. And it's totally.

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  You should have a reason.

• 2:01:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, and it's very easy. We've all changed our minds on a lot of things. And if you were like, hey, dude, you used to believe this, but you believe this now you're like, well, let me tell you something. I read this guy and he just made such a good argument about it. And then he had all this data that I hadn't really seen before. That's fine. But she never had an answer for any of them. She went, my values haven't changed. What? Well, okay. So that, but again, what's the answer then? Like you were for Medicare for all. Now you're not. You were for open borders. Now you're not. You were for whatever, a bunch of other stuff. Trans surgeries for prisoners or whatever. Now you're not. What hap- she had no answer for that. She's also the sitting VP and they go, oh, so are you running on the track record of the last four years? Like, no, no, no. I'm also not going to run on that. What? Well, why not?

• 2:02:31Speaker 01

  Because I'm not Joe Biden. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Like, it's like, what? What? That's what you're running on? That's it? It's just like, it was so unbelievable.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  So many people were behind her. Which is even wilder. It's wild that so many people were like, yeah, this is what we got. So let's just fucking gaslight the shit out of half the country and run with it.

• 2:02:50Speaker 01

  And also the fact-

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  See how far we can take it. I gotta piss. Let's come, let's come back. We'll talk about this. I've been holding, I did the sauna earlier. Sorry.

• 2:02:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  You did an hour? He's an old dude, man. He's, old dudes of bad posture are different than old dudes with regular posture.

• 2:03:03Speaker 01

  That's a very good point.

• 2:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Once they get to like this.

• 2:03:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

• 2:03:06Joe Rogan?

  It's not a lot. They can, it fucking, it's hard to keep your head up.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:03:10Joe Rogan?

  After a while, gravity just wins. Yeah. But Trump keeps on trucking. He's the only guy that went four years in the White House and didn't get older.

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  Something, really something really interesting about that.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Pretty the same, four years later, where everybody else looks like they've been near a nuclear blast.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  You know what I-

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  Of radiation poisoning.

• 2:03:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a really, really good point. I've always thought there was something about like, um, cause you know, just from, from doing stand up, you know, if you think about like, you, if you really try to remember back to like your first, like few months in stand up comedy. And you remember like how daunting getting up in front of people was.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  It's like a thing, you know, and that's, that's the first step to being a stand up comedian. Isn't like getting great material or even being, it's like, hey, get comfortable with going up in front of a group of people and speaking into a microphone to them. Get comfortable with not getting a laugh when you wanted to get one. Get comfortable that. And there is something where like, like in, in 2016. You know, and people forget about this human element of it, right? Like Jeb Bush, okay, is the son of a president, is the brother of a president, and he was the governor of Florida. It's not like he was a rookie, but when he's on that debate stage, he is stepping onto the biggest stage of his life. He's never been in front of a crowd like that before. Donald Trump, it's Tuesday.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Right. This is what I do.

• 2:04:32Speaker 01

  Donald Trump's like cracking his neck and going out there like, oh, are all the spotlights and cameras on me? That's about right. Okay. You know, like, it's just like he's, and he was so comfortable. That was a huge factor in why he was able to just nuke everybody. Because it's like, yeah, this is what I do. I'm the center of attention. These guys have never been there before.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  He was funny when he was talking about the one liner that he cracked about Rosie O'Donnell. He goes, thank God I had that one because she was coming after me. She was coming after me. I had that one, I got her with that one.

• 2:04:59Speaker 01

  Well, he won her over.

• 2:05:01Joe Rogan?

  He did. Look at her, speaking for him. Apparently she crushed it and made fun of Mark Cuban.

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, she did. She did, it was great. Yeah, I watched it. She's, she's.

• 2:05:10Joe Rogan?

  Can we watch it? I haven't seen it.

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  She's very sharp. Megan Kelly's very impressive.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  She was the original Fox fembot. She was the original, like, super hot woman on Fox, was so, so much smarter than you. And you're like.

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  Smarter and.

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  Ice queen.

• 2:05:23Speaker 01

  They're all wearing something very inappropriate.

• 2:05:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I said vagina curtains. I said a bit about it, which is like, not even a good curtain. Like the kind that grandma has over the kitchen, saying that flutters in the breeze when I was by, like, Jesus Christ, you're inches away from vagina that's covered by this, the thinnest piece of cloth. It's a wild way to dress.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  It's a weird culture over there at Fox.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. Let's hear it.

• 2:05:47Speaker 06

  Oh, four years ago, we had Mark Cuban on the program.

• 2:05:53Speaker 06

  May seem he was in the news this week. And he started going on about how bad America's race history was and how ashamed he was of America. And that's why he was at all these protests. And he felt it was really important to stand up and speak out about human rights violations. And then it got awkward when I asked him about all the money he was taking from China. And then he dropped a bunch of F bombs. And I thought, I really enjoy this feeling of proving Mark Cuban wrong. And so here I am at a Trump rally, a strong, intelligent woman to prove Mark Cuban wrong again.

• 2:06:36Speaker 01

  Damn. Yeah.

• 2:06:37Joe Rogan?

  That had a sting.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, she's, she's a beast.

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That one, that one had a sting.

• 2:06:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was very, she's, it's funny too, cause she's not like been in politics, but that was very like politically savvy. That was like a really smart way to go at it.

• 2:06:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, she was very demonized as well. Remember when she went over to do that NBC show? That was crazy. Like, they took her from Fox, they gave her a shit ton of money, and then they just didn't like her.

• 2:07:06Speaker 01

  Over the, and it was over the lamest thing. I forget even the comment, something about blackface Halloween costumes or something?

• 2:07:11Joe Rogan?

  Can you pretend to be a person that you admire? That's like, if you want to be Diana Ross. She was like, I don't think, what's wrong with that?

• 2:07:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:07:18Joe Rogan?

  It's not a bad question. There's one thing, if you are mocking African American people, if you have like fucking Al Jolson blackface on, but if, what if you want to be Mr. T? And you're a 10-year-old kid. If Mr. T's his hero, do you really think that kid's racist? He puts a bunch of gold chains on and brown makeup on his face? Like, what are we calling blackface?

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean, really? Blackface in terms of like Al Jolson types of, yeah, like, they literally used to use white guys pretending to be black guys in movies so they didn't have to have black stars.

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  And they would be like overtly dumb, and it was like insult, it was very insulting. It was clearly like, we think lesser of these people. But that's not necessarily the case if you just have the color black.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  If you want to be Mike Tyson for Halloween, like, you can't, but you can do everything but the skin color, which is just bizarre.

• 2:08:10Speaker 01

  Well, there's, that's, uh, one of the other things that I, I do think is, has been very interesting over the last, really over the last couple of years, I guess, and it's really on display with the Trump reelection thing, is that the culture has moved.

• 2:08:23Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see when I talked to Robert Downey Jr. about Tropic Thunder?

• 2:08:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:26Joe Rogan?

  I go, do you think, could you do it today? He goes, oh, you could do it.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was great. That was such a great response.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  He's great, man.

• 2:08:32Speaker 01

  That is technically true. You could do it.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  I thought his conversation, the Avengers thing with Kama was goofy, but I love Robert Downey.

• 2:08:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, that was a real interesting one.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to get him to eat meat. Every time I look at him, I'm like, I'm very concerned.

• 2:08:43Speaker 01

  Oh, is he? That's right. He doesn't eat, yeah.

• 2:08:45Joe Rogan?

  California vegan.

• 2:08:46Speaker 01

  Well, I do think there's some stuff that we look back at now at like 2017, 2018, like the woke-ism of that era does seem to be like, yeah, things aren't quite as crazy as they were then, or at least this, there was a little bit of like fatigue of it. You kind of can't get away with it anymore.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that like the pendulum, though? Doesn't it swing one way or the other way? And ultimately, it moves into, it's moving towards a better direction for society. And it's just a massive overcorrection. And then you have hustlers and grifters who get involved in it and amplify the movement, right? And now there's like the Black Lives Matters girls who bought all the real estate. There was also some accusation that they bought the house for substantially more than a person paid for just recently before that, and they have a connection to that person. Like there's some, like, other shenanigans.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, it's the communists who are always like, yeah, but I also want to be a millionaire.

• 2:09:44Joe Rogan?

  It's wonderful. It's wonderful when the grift gets exposed.

• 2:09:49Speaker 01

  So I thought with, in the election this year, there were like, kind of, and woke culture in general, so maybe broader than the election, but there were kind of like three major factors that I think were really interesting. One was that I think the anti, I think the, like, for lack of a better term, like, the kind of anti-woke or non-woke people kind of won out in the marketplace. There's examples of like, uh,

• 2:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, the Tom Brady roast is a huge example.

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. I think you're an example of that. The Tom Brady roast was an example of that. Shane Gillis's career was an example of that. You know, Tim Dillon's career is an example of that. It's just, at a certain point, it's not even that Netflix changed their mind and they're willing to have these guys on because they had like some ideological transformation. It's just like, I don't know, dude, they're so, they're so big. They have so many fans. This is going to get a ton of views on it. And a mix of that, and also kind of for the first time, there was like a cost imposed with the Bud Light stuff and the Target stuff. There were these like kind of very effective boycotts where it's like, oh, you're, there's going to be a cost imposed on you if you do that. The second factor with with the Trump stuff and why they weren't able to get the shock troops

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  out, and when I say the shock troops, I just mean the left wing 20 year old useful idiots who will come out and protest, yes, there's a fascist movement here, right?

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:11Speaker 01

  So one of the things that happened, and this is part of why, you know, this is a non controversial explanation for 2020 versus 2024, is that in the year 2020, Joe Biden's central pitch to America was a return to normalcy.

• 2:11:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:29Speaker 01

  And that was a very attractive pitch, I think, to a lot of people, especially if you can put yourself in November of 2020.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  You know, you've gone through the craziest year ever, and it's, there's lockdowns, there's riots, the whole economy is a mess, everybody is freaking out.

• 2:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Rushing gates still being broadcast, counseling.

• 2:11:48Speaker 01

  And you're constantly going like, oh, my God, Trump is crazy, and then the reaction to him is crazy, and then Joe Biden could just be like, listen, you know me, I've been in the Senate for 700 years.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:59Speaker 01

  Let's go back to regular America.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  The adults are in the room.

• 2:12:02Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly, and by the way, okay, I'm not campaigning, that's true, I'm in, I'm in my house the whole time, but there's a pandemic, that's kind of the responsible thing to do, you know, Donald Trump's doing a super spreader event right now, that was still the narrative at the time, even though none of it was real.

• 2:12:16Joe Rogan?

  Didn't someone die from COVID that went to one of his events?

• 2:12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think maybe, I vaguely remember this.

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Was it Ben Carson?

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  Ben Carson, he got COVID?

• 2:12:27Joe Rogan?

  Didn't?

• 2:12:28Speaker 01

  I don't remember.

• 2:12:28Joe Rogan?

  Who died from COVID that went to one of his early events?

• 2:12:32Speaker 01

  I don't think, I don't remember.

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think it's Ben Carson.

• 2:12:35Speaker 01

  I think somebody might have, I vaguely remember this story, yeah.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  There was some other guy who was a supporter of, of Trump who wound up getting COVID and dying.

• 2:12:45Speaker 01

  Which like, whatever, who even knows whether he got it there or whatever.

• 2:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out what that was, well, he probably did, I think it was legitimately, I think it was a super spreader event.

• 2:12:53Speaker 01

  But, yes, well, it, you know, it might have been, I don't know, these outdoor events, I don't know if they really were or not.

• 2:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they're all in tight proximity to each other, just like the flu. Herman Cain. Herman Cain, that's what it was.

• 2:13:05Speaker 01

  Herman Cain, that's right, that's right, yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, yes, I do remember that.

• 2:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:08Speaker 01

  Um, so.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Ben Carson's still alive. Sorry, Ben.

• 2:13:11Speaker 01

  So, Ben, you're doing great.

• 2:13:12Joe Rogan?

  Brilliant man, too. Another guy who was like very dismissed.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. I mean, he's a bit of an odd duck, but he's a genius, for sure.

• 2:13:18Joe Rogan?

  You got the painting with Jesus behind him with his hands on his shoulders, like, hey, bro.

• 2:13:22Speaker 01

  Yes, there's some weird stuff going on there. But he actually, he is an interesting guy.

• 2:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Brilliant guy.

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  Very, very brilliant. Um, but so anyway, this pitch of like the return to normalcy in 2020 is

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  Attractive.

• 2:13:35Speaker 01

  It's attractive and it also, look, it fed into the thesis essentially of the entire corporate media was like, the problem is Trump.

• 2:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:43Speaker 01

  The problem is Trump. Everything was the United States of America, then this Trump guy came in and ruined everything, you know? Um, whereas the reality was always much deeper than that, that like, no, there were these huge problems and that's why a Trump-like figure was so attractive to people.

• 2:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:57Speaker 01

  But then what happened is Joe Biden came in and nothing went back to normal. It got even crazier than it was under Donald Trump. So now, people were looking back at the first three years of Donald Trump, like, that seems pretty normal compared to what we've been going through in the Biden administration. So this sucked a lot of the energy out. And also, you didn't have the mystery of Trump. He's gonna be Adolf Hitler in there. No, he's not. He's been in for four years. You know, in 2016, they were like, you can't trust him with the nuclear codes. And there was a little bit of a plausible claim to that, like, I don't know, he would be the first president ever with no political or military experience, and he does seem like a little bit of a wild man, but you can't really sell that anymore after he's been president. So that kind of took away from the, the energy.

• 2:14:39Speaker 01

  And another thing, and I, I don't know, I have not, I'm not saying I'm the only one making this point. I haven't heard anyone else making this point. And I just, I think this is a huge part of it, okay? Like, a huge part of the reason why you didn't see tens of thousands of young people out protesting Trump at Madison Square Garden, and you only had like a hundred people there, is because those young left-wingers who were reliable shock troops for the regime over the last decade, they've been protesting a genocide for the last year. They've spent a full year protesting what they consider, and at least the International Court of Justice plausibly considers, a genocide. And it's very hard to get someone who's been protesting

• 2:15:20Speaker 01

  babies being slaughtered, to turn around and pretend that something else is way more of an outrage, and especially to then go protest on behalf of the ones who are doing the genocide that you've been protesting against for the last year. Yeah, right. I mean, listen, man, yes, it's, I mean, I, Israel, forget invading Lebanon or going to war with Iran. Israel can't conduct the war in Gaza without the US. It's our weapons, it's our money, it's our intelligence that they're using to do this. It's, it's, you know, America is, if you view this as a genocide, which I don't really use that word too often, but I do view it as like, just horrific.

• 2:16:02Speaker 01

  Um, and if you view it that way, there's no way that the US isn't implicated. This only happens because the US is funding and supporting this.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  And if you want to get those activists to get outraged, it's something else other than that, when that's obviously the most pressing concern globally.

• 2:16:17Speaker 01

  It's very tough. They've spent a year doing that, and it really hurt her.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  These young kids, you think of the difference between 2016 and 2020, and then 2024, podcasts.

• 2:16:28Speaker 01

  Huge.

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  Way different. They all listen to podcasts. Everybody gets clips, you hear opposing perspectives, you hear very intelligent people come on and make arguments that you're not hearing on TV anymore, and they get shared. Even if it's just shared clips on TikTok and YouTube reels, or YouTube shorts and Instagram reels, they're getting shared left and right, and you, you can't just keep a narrative going anymore. You can't. It doesn't work.

• 2:16:52Speaker 01

  You know, like even, this came up a bunch when I was debating Chris Cuomo, but it's like, even just the way they You know, the way they talk about you, or like where it's like, oh, these, these bro culture guys or something like that, like, I, again, I'm sorry. Objectively, objectively, this isn't an opinion. What happens on this show is so much more intelligent and thoughtful and deep than anything that's going on at CNN. You just can't tell, you can't tell me that you sitting down with Elon Musk for three hours and then compare that to like Wolf Blitzer with all his graphics behind him, talking for 30 seconds before he goes to a pharmaceutical commercial and then coming back and having the dumbest left winger yell at the dumbest right winger. Really?

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  And you guys are gonna act like you're the grownups in the room? Like, it's just, it's too ridiculous. And, and that's right. So the entire young generation, they've all turned that off. That nobody, none of them are getting their news from, from CNN anymore. And, look, man, that's, I think the most beautiful part of this election.

• 2:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, mainstream media is dead.

• 2:17:55Speaker 01

  Yep, that's right.

• 2:17:56Joe Rogan?

  That was a rap, son. And certainly not comparable anymore. And if you look at the numbers, like, what are the numbers that CNN has for a regular show compared to like the numbers of the Trump podcast?

• 2:18:06Speaker 01

  I don't think they have a, a show that regularly cracks a million views. I think their biggest one is still under a million.

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  The Twitter, uh, the X video that I posted, when I posted Elon on the podcast, between me and him, it got 65 million views in a day.

• 2:18:22Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable, dude.

• 2:18:25Joe Rogan?

  In a day.

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  And that's not counting YouTube, which is like another, I don't know how many million he got on YouTube, and that's not counting Spotify. We don't even know those numbers yet, because it was just two days ago.

• 2:18:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:18:36Joe Rogan?

  65, between his account and my account, 65 million views.

• 2:18:40Speaker 01

  And, you know, there was, um...

• 2:18:43Joe Rogan?

  Like, the X is the number one news source on Earth.

• 2:18:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  On Earth. It's the most trusted because it's the only one that's not fucked with. So even if someone's incorrect, the community notes will correct them.

• 2:18:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:18:55Joe Rogan?

  The community notes are rock solid. It's a great way to find out what's real and what's not real. And then you look in the comments and you see people debating it. And it's happening in real time. And it's happening whenever something breaks. And it's, it's way better than what you're gonna get on corporate controlled media. It's way better.

• 2:19:10Speaker 01

  Elon Musk buying Twitter was at least as important as Trump winning. Uh, election again, maybe more. The most important thing about Trump winning might be that he's able to stop them from coming after Elon Musk.

• 2:19:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, that, that's a big factor, but I also think that Elon Musk buying Twitter. If, if that doesn't happen, I don't think Trump wins the way he wins.

• 2:19:30Speaker 01

  Oh, 100%.

• 2:19:31Joe Rogan?

  I think it's real tight. I think if, if he does win, it's barely. Okay, let's take podcasts out. He doesn't win at all. You take him being on Theo Von, him being on me, him being on all these different Nelk Boys, all these different podcasts. Andrew Schultz, that was a big one. Schultz was, Flagrant was a big one because it got him to fuck around.

• 2:19:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:19:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, you see him laughing and joking around and Schultz is joking with him. They're having a good time. That humanized him more. Do you see that Schultz, they fucking pulled his special?

• 2:20:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:01Joe Rogan?

  From a theater, three hours after the Trump thing got released?

• 2:20:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then he did it at a bigger theater.

• 2:20:06Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:20:07Speaker 01

  Which, by the way, that's another thing that's changed. That's really a fascinating thing to me, right? So I've, I've watched this happen, and I know you have too, where the, the canceling stopped working. It was so effective. And then all of a sudden, it just stopped working. A big part of that is Elon Musk, for sure. But there's other factors involved in it too. Um, I mean, but I remember like, there were guys in 2016, 2017, who were very much like in the national conversation, and they got straight up removed from that.

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  Milo.

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  Milo Yiannopoulos is a great example. When he went on Bill Maher, he had like, he killed it on Bill Maher, he killed it on your show.

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Bill Maher compared him to Christopher Hitchens.

• 2:20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, he went, you're like a gay Christopher Hitchens or something like that. Yeah. So he's, so now, and then he made the other guys look like fools too, like he, so then, then he gets taken down. And he went from being a guy who was like very much shaping the national conversation to being just removed from it. And there were other guys, no.

• 2:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Bit of a drug problem.

• 2:21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not even saying there weren't other factors involved, but there were a bunch of people like that who got removed.

• 2:21:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:16Speaker 01

  And I do think, I, I think the tipping point was when they came for you and it failed. Um, but it seems like around that time. It stopped work. Listen, I, I heard of Andrew Tate for the first time ever when he got canceled from everything.

• 2:21:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:31Speaker 01

  That was when I like, I, I didn't know who he was before that. And then he was like, oh, the guy who got canceled for everything. And now he's bigger than he ever was. He was like the most Googled man for kickboxing.

• 2:21:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, my kid asked me about him. Cause my kids were getting the little videos off of TikTok. This is before he got in like real trouble. When he was just starting to like the manosphere and a bunch of young guys resonating with it. She goes, what do you think about him? And I said, oh, he's a legit kickboxer. Like I used to watch him kickbox. He was, um, like, you know, in that organization, whatever organization, he was a champion. He's legit. He can fight, man.

• 2:22:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I've seen videos of him fighting. He could really fight.

• 2:22:06Joe Rogan?

  When he became like this, um, manosphere influencer, I was like, okay, that kind of tracks, kind of makes sense.

• 2:22:13Speaker 01

  Right, right. Well, I just, the thing that I found so interesting was just, and, and it happened with him. A great example is Tucker Carlson, Candace, Candace Owens.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:22:22Speaker 01

  Um, and then even the thing we were just saying about, uh, our boy Schultz.

• 2:22:28Speaker 01

  It's like these cancellation attempts, all of a sudden they went from like, oh my God, this could ruin you. So like it's making you stronger.

• 2:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Did you see when Tony went on stage last night?

• 2:22:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:22:38Speaker 01

  At the mothership?

• 2:22:39Joe Rogan?

  Bro. It's like Richard Pryor showed up.

• 2:22:41Speaker 01

  Do you have video of the opening?

• 2:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's bananas. They go nuts. They go nuts when Tony's there.

• 2:22:46Speaker 01

  This is the new dynamic now.

• 2:22:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:48Speaker 01

  It's like the tool that they used to use to control the narrative is now losing them more and more of the narrative.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, Tony now has 35 minutes on the whole thing.

• 2:22:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:22:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. 35 minutes on Puerto Rico, this whole thing, people.

• 2:23:03Speaker 01

  Oh, is he do, is he going up tonight?

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I'll probably up tonight.

• 2:23:06Speaker 01

  I wanna go watch that. I'd love to go watch that. I love, that's the best thing in comedy, by the way. The best thing in comedy is like when there's like a huge thing. And someone's got, there's just something about like when they got new, fresh stuff on the thing that just happened is just the best part of stand up.

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's my feel, like my N word compilation joke.

• 2:23:23Speaker 01

  Uh, dude, I remember, uh, what, literally one of my favorite, like if I had to put a flag down on like five of my favorite moments since I've been in comedy. That, uh, that show that we did at, um, what's it called? The Vulcan?

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:38Speaker 01

  It was before the mothership was opened, but it was the day after it came out. And it was amazing. There was something surreal about it, watching you go on stage. In the moment where you're like in the crosshairs of the biggest cancellation attempt. And then having you just do, the bit on it is so goddamn good. I mean, you did, you put it out on your, uh, your last special. But watching it the next day after it just happened was like, there's just an energy about that, that you're just like, oh shit dude, like this. And it was just amazing. It was an amazing show.

• 2:24:10Joe Rogan?

  It's an opportunity to take something and turn into a positive.

• 2:24:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, take this moment and create a bit out of it.

• 2:24:17Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I, uh, my, my favorite, uh, show of the year. Uh, was I just literally, I happened to be doing a weekend at the mothership when Trump got, uh, got shot. I mean, I was leaving my hotel to walk over to the mothership. And then just all of a sudden, my phone started blowing up like text, text, text, text, text, all this. And I was like, what the fuck happened here? And then I pulled the video. It was like, oh shit. And then that show, whatever the earl, the early show on that day, man. For, if people were there, it was just the most fun. It's the most fun part of stand up where you're almost just like, you go like, well. Forget what I thought we were gonna be talking about today. Cause now we're going in a whole new direction. What am I gonna go up there and not talk about this for a half hour? How is that possible?

• 2:25:02Joe Rogan?

  How is it possible?

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  Especially for me, like, you know, it's like, well, I've gotta go do this. And it's just something beautiful. That's the best part of stand up comedy, man.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  It's a great part. And if you're there live, it's so fun. It's so fun when you know someone is talking about something that just happened. It's so fun.

• 2:25:17Speaker 01

  And I've gotten, um, I've gotten like, uh, messages and tweets and stuff like that, like from people who are at that show. I'll still get like, you know, like someone will like come up and just be like, dude, I was at that show. At that time, I'm like, yeah, that was a good one, man. That was a good one.

• 2:25:31Joe Rogan?

  You don't get a whole lot of moments like that where the president almost gets fucking iced. And then all the nutty people trying to say he staged his assassination attempt so that he could regain the White House. That it was a propaganda. Those are the nuttiest of left-wing people. You think flat-earthers are nuts? You think a 78-year-old guy is gonna allow some dude with iron sights to shoot and nick his ear from 140 yards away?

• 2:25:57Speaker 01

  Well, um, also another guy did get killed.

• 2:26:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:00Speaker 01

  Uh, there, it seems pretty real.

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  And more than one person got shot?

• 2:26:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I really wonder if Trump's gonna try to get to the bottom of that stuff. Or if maybe he just doesn't want to even push it.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to know what happened there, but he seems like a Lee Harvey Oswald-type dude. He seems like a, a guy that they set up.

• 2:26:22Speaker 01

  Well.

• 2:26:22Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot to that story.

• 2:26:24Speaker 01

  There's, uh, both stories, uh, with both of the assassination attempts, um,

• 2:26:31Speaker 01

  are very fishy. There, there's just something that just doesn't add up about all that.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  The one with Crooks is the most fishy. It's, did you see the video of his dad? His dad leaving Costco. So he's got Costco with a, a whole full cart of stuff. And there's a dude who's with him who's wearing gloves and a mask and sunglasses and a hoodie. And this guy's helping him. He's wearing gloves.

• 2:26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  So he's not leaving any fingerprints anywhere. It's the weirdest look. This guy's, and this is like recent, right? So this is in the heart of COVID where someone would be a nutty person who would dress like this. It was really recent.

• 2:27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 2:27:05Joe Rogan?

  The assassination attempt was only a few months ago.

• 2:27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:07Joe Rogan?

  So you have Crooks' dad and his dad is pushing the shopping cart. And you got this dude who's with him, who's like in full disguise with gloves. It's very weird.

• 2:27:20Speaker 01

  The, well, look, I mean, so you have, there's the first one where you have the, this guy is able, and you can see this is all on videotape. This guy is walking around scoping out that roof.

• 2:27:34Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 2:27:34Speaker 03

  I don't think he's wearing gloves. I think he's just wearing, he's got his hoodie covering his hands a little bit. Right there.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're not gloves?

• 2:27:41Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 2:27:42Joe Rogan?

  Why do I think he wears gloves?

• 2:27:46Speaker 03

  He is covering everything else up, though.

• 2:27:48Joe Rogan?

  He's sure he's not wearing gloves. Okay, he's got his-

• 2:27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I see, I see why you thought that, though. It's a weird, it's a weird look, for sure.

• 2:27:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's, he's covering his fucking hands.

• 2:27:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, he is covering his hands.

• 2:27:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so they're not gloves. So he's got a full mask on, he's got sunglasses on, and a hoodie. And it's nighttime. And this guy is, okay, so no, no gloves. But it's just bizarre, very bizarre. Obviously, the guy doesn't want people to know who he is, because he's with the-

• 2:28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  The father of the guy who tried to kill the fucking president.

• 2:28:20Speaker 01

  Well, the, the fact that somebody could be able to, to get up on that roof with a rifle 130 yards away from the president, and then all, the excuses that they made made absolutely no sense. It was, sense it was too sloped of a roof-

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  No, the lady didn't want to step down.

• 2:28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is very, yeah, all very strange. And then, the second one, you've got a guy who has a felony conviction for possession of weapons of mass destruction, where he barricaded himself, uh, while police were pursuing him with like explosives or something, I mean, he's-

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  Is that what he did?

• 2:28:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's, it's, the charge was weapons of mass destruction. I remember that, because like, I was like, I didn't even realize that was a charge. Um, I thought that was just something Bush lied about. But evidently, there's a real criminal.

• 2:29:06Joe Rogan?

  So he had bombs?

• 2:29:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Like suicide bombs?

• 2:29:09Speaker 01

  You know, I don't know exactly what they were, but I know that was the charge, and it was a felony. And then this motherfucker is recruiting for the Ukrainian war effort, and is going back and forth to an active war zone, trying to recruit Afghan fighters to fight in the war on the Ukrainian side. And then he comes back and tries to assassinate Donald Trump, and then the entire national conversation is like, is the rhetoric about Donald Trump too far? And you're like, listen, man, I'm not saying it's not plausible, that if you call the guy Hitler every day, maybe some, you know, deranged young person will be like, I'm gonna take out Hitler. But when this guy is going and recruiting for the Ukrainian war effort,

• 2:29:50Speaker 01

  this doesn't sound to me like someone radicalized by Joy Reid. You know what I mean? This sounds like something a little deeper's going on. And then there is apps, much like with Jeffrey Epstein, right? There is no desire amongst the supposed journalist class to even look into it.

• 2:30:08Joe Rogan?

  And then his son gets hit with child porn charges.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  So like, if his son knew anything about what was going on, no one's gonna listen to him now. Fucking guy's jerking off to kids fucking.

• 2:30:19Speaker 01

  It's just, it, look, at the very least, it's very bizarre. And when you have a guy, you know, like, I'm not saying I've got like a case I could present in front of a jury and get a conviction. But when you've got a guy who has been targeted by the regime unlike any other political figure in American history, well, let's say since Kennedy.

• 2:30:35Joe Rogan?

  But more so, because he just survived an assassination attempt. Kennedy got shot, but the attacks on him, the lawfare attacks are unprecedented. The, the weaponizing of the legal system in front of everybody's eyes, like trying to find a crime.

• 2:30:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, that's right. And so, all of that, and then you see these multiple attempts happen, it, you'd be crazy to not at least want to have like, some real investigation into this, some, some interest in looking at this and all that.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Press conference. How about one press conference about crooks? How about tell me what you know? Did you get a toxicology examination, or you just burned the body?

• 2:31:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can't get in, it is, we can't get into his phone, he had no social media footprint. Come on, dude.

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  His apartment was professionally scrubbed.

• 2:31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:22Joe Rogan?

  Didn't even have silver in his house.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's all just very strange. I wonder, now that Trump's back in, does he, does he look into that? And I'm not even saying, you know, like, I just, really, I just want Trump to end the war. Uh, listen, if Donald Trump, if he secures the border, and ends the, if he ends the war in Ukraine, secures the border, and, uh,

• 2:31:44Joe Rogan?

  Ramps up oil production inside the United States.

• 2:31:46Speaker 01

  Does something to help the economy, put him on Mount Rushmore. Like, that's, that's enough, man, like, I don't, you know what I mean? Like, that's, that's enough for, but I, I am curious, like, I wonder where he is.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  I always wanted to be on Mount Rushmore, I believe I deserve it.

• 2:31:59Speaker 01

  And I'll, I'll say, we kick one of them off.

• 2:32:02Joe Rogan?

  Ahhhhh.

• 2:32:03Speaker 01

  We're not, we're not making more room. You guys, we could take a vote.

• 2:32:06Joe Rogan?

  Can't you imagine?

• 2:32:07Speaker 01

  I'll tell you.

• 2:32:08Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine the fucking sock hats screaming in the street if they changed Mount Rushmore?

• 2:32:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, TJ stays, but I'm thinking Lincoln's gotta go.

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  No, Lincoln's the man. Lincoln was a wrestler, keep him.

• 2:32:19Speaker 01

  Well, alright, fine.

• 2:32:21Joe Rogan?

  Giant freak of a man. Probably gay.

• 2:32:23Speaker 01

  He was a giant freak of a man and definitely, I think, spent a lot of time in cabins with other dudes.

• 2:32:27Joe Rogan?

  I think everybody was gay back then. That's what I think.

• 2:32:29Speaker 01

  It's possible.

• 2:32:30Joe Rogan?

  I think there was a lot of gayness back then and, you know, I, I base this on, uh, ancient cultures, like Afghanistan, all the gay shit they do.

• 2:32:37Speaker 01

  Well, you also gotta think like, if you're in a world without like, um, plumbing and, and toothbrushes and razors. Fucking a man or fucking a woman, not that much different. Not a whole lot different at that point, dude.

• 2:32:51Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're in a trench.

• 2:32:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's, at that point, you're basically like, you're just, you're, you're, you're having sex with an animal is what you're doing.

• 2:33:00Joe Rogan?

  But so many warriors in the past were gay. Like Samurai's did a lot of gay stuff.

• 2:33:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Spartans did a lot of gay stuff. A lot of gay stuff.

• 2:33:08Speaker 01

  Well, it's one of the things that I think we've kind of found out, um, with the, the, the trans stuff, uh, over the last few years is that it's like, there, there are cultural norms that you can set up where people will do a lot of stuff that you might consider to be very like bizarre. And it's very easy when you don't have those cultural parameters to be like, no one would do that, just because you made it like acceptable.

• 2:33:35Joe Rogan?

  Prison.

• 2:33:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  We're so gross. If you leave us alone with no one but us, we just fuck each other.

• 2:33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:41Joe Rogan?

  That's how gross we are.

• 2:33:42Speaker 01

  And it's also kind, and, and it's like a punchline in a weird way. Like, it's just nothing like-

• 2:33:47Joe Rogan?

  It's also the one kind of rape you can hope someone gets.

• 2:33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, that was actually, uh-

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  I hope he gets raped in prison.

• 2:33:55Speaker 01

  Kurt, Kurt Metzger, uh, made this point. I remember it was sometime during like the Me Too movement. Oh, I know what it was. It was when, uh, did you ever see the Law and Order episode where they did like the Me Too comic?

• 2:34:07Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:34:07Speaker 01

  It's the most ridiculous thing ever, dude. It was just in the, you know, Law and Order, they just gotta bang out a half hour show like every other day or whatever. Yeah, so it's, so the, it was at the height of like cancel culture, Me Too and all this stuff. And so the theme, I'm not exaggerating this, okay? The theme is, there's a, a, a shot comic.

• 2:34:25Speaker 01

  And he's, he's making all these rape jokes. And, uh, now, of course, they do it in a way like as if this would work at a comedy club. Like you're just like, hey you, I hope you get raped. And the crowd's like, yeah, yeah. So they're at a comedy club. I believe it was filmed at the Comic Strip Live. Um, I think it was there. I'm not sure. But it was at a comedy club. He's in this, so some, some girls get up and they walk out because they're very uncomfortable with like, oh my God, those rape jokes are not funny, blah, blah. Then the girl leaves, gets raped. Turns out it was the rape comic who rapes her. And that's the, it's the most ridiculous, like, goddamn story ever, but this was an episode of Law and Order. And then Kurt just started, he made the point that he goes, you know, on this show, it's just a regular thing that they threaten men with rape.

• 2:35:06Speaker 01

  Like every single time they're in, they're like interrogating someone, they go, guys, like you don't do very well in prison. You know what I mean? And it's always just like the threat of like, we will put you in a rape torture dungeon. If you don't do X, Y, and Z. And I thought it was like a really brilliant point that that's just totally acceptable. Like threatening a man with rape, you would, guys like you don't do very well in prison is a common like saying, and we all know what that means. They're saying you will be anally raped against your will, but whatever, you're a dude, so who cares?

• 2:35:37Joe Rogan?

  My friend was telling me about, uh, the American Taliban guy. You know, that guy that went over to, uh, to join the Taliban. He said they raped that guy like a thousand times. He said like, that guy was a prisoner over there for like four years and they just raped him continuously. And he said, when he was working overseas, when he was deployed, he said, you'd see guys raping guys all the time.

• 2:36:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  There was this one very slow guy that worked in the kitchen. These guys were lined up to rape this guy. There was one guy who had a colostomy bag and the guy kept getting sick. He had to get medevaced. He was like, he'd get infected, it would go. They found out they were fucking the hole where the bag goes into his side. Guys were fucking the hole where his colostomy bag gets inserted.

• 2:36:22Speaker 01

  That's not cool.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but when you have a culture that says like, men, uh, can't have sex with women except to procreate. And the women have to be dressed up in a certain way and.

• 2:36:33Speaker 01

  Not good.

• 2:36:34Joe Rogan?

  You leave them alone with themselves.

• 2:36:35Speaker 01

  It's very Freudian, man.

• 2:36:36Joe Rogan?

  And it's old. It's an old culture.

• 2:36:39Speaker 01

  Well, this is the Freudian observation, which is a very brilliant one, however people feel about Freud. It's like you repress, you know, certain desires and they reemerge in much darker ways. You know, there's just like, you have to have a release valve.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:53Speaker 01

  Otherwise, it's like, human beings go into very, very dark, very dark places.

• 2:36:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just, people don't react well to other people telling them what to do. And when I was in high school, the thing was Catholic schoolgirls were always freaks.

• 2:37:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:37:07Joe Rogan?

  Catholic schoolgirls were wild because they didn't get to be around any boys ever. They were just at school with girls. They're all dressed in skirts and they're all told that they're, all those desires that they have. Their bodies going through puberty and they're just horny all the time, that they're bad.

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  And then they can't wait to get along with a guy.

• 2:37:22Speaker 01

  And it's again, the same thing, like you repress it in one area, it's just it reemerges in a much uglier way than if you had just been re- yeah, exactly.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  That's the best example of it emerging in the creepier way. And you know why they did that with Catholic priests?

• 2:37:36Speaker 01

  Why?

• 2:37:36Joe Rogan?

  Cause the priests were like rock stars. They were fucking everybody. So they said, you can't have sex anymore. You can't get married.

• 2:37:41Speaker 01

  But imagine saying to like a grown man that you can't ever have sex or jerk off. That's the expectation? The expectation is that you're supposed to never come?

• 2:37:54Joe Rogan?

  And they would give you medication so that you couldn't get hard. They'd give you saltpeter.

• 2:37:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're gonna draw, you're gonna, if that's the job to sign up to, you're gonna draw in some weird people who wanna sign up to that job.

• 2:38:08Joe Rogan?

  Twisted.

• 2:38:08Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  What was that, what's that stuff called? Is it called saltpeter? Is that what they give them to make sure that they stayed impotent? Kills their sexual desires?

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  I don't know, I didn't, never heard of this.

• 2:38:20Joe Rogan?

  Fucking poison. I mean, what is, what's doing that?

• 2:38:23Speaker 01

  Probably, yeah.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  What's doing that? What's killing your, it's killing your testosterone? Killing your sex hormones? What else is it doing? How depressed are you?

• 2:38:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that can't be good.

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  How many of them are alcoholics? Ever go to a Catholic church and you see the guy speaking, the, the, the, whatever he is, bishop? Whatever the fuck he is. Big stupid blown up nose because it's just like, he's got gin blossoms all over his face. He gets hammered every day. He lives in hell.

• 2:38:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  He lives in hell. He's probably a closeted gay guy that took this fucking job forty-five years ago and now he's like, this is my life. Now I'm sixty. Here I am. Like, what am I doing with myself?

• 2:38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I've, I've, I've talked to-

• 2:38:59Joe Rogan?

  That's all peter stuff, Jamie. Did you find it?

• 2:39:03Joe Rogan?

  What is salt peter used for? And is it true it reduces certain carnal urges? The second part of the question is easy to answer. Salt peter, the term refers to either potassium or sodium nitrate, has no effect on carnal urges. The story that this chemical is put into soldiers' food to decrease their sex drive is a total myth. But what about for priests? That's what I had heard. So is it one of those things they thought did that? Symptoms can range from double vision and difficulty in swallowing to paralysis and death. The spores of this organism lurk in many foods under the right conditions, lack of oxygen, low acidity, becomes active and liberate their toxin. Sausages are the classic example of type of food that can be affected. And the word botulism, in fact, derives from the Latin

• 2:39:47Joe Rogan?

  botulus, meaning sausage. So this botul... Scroll back up again? I feel like I picked this up at a weird place. Serious axis of salt peter. One of the most deadly substances known to mankind is produced by Clostridium botulinum bacteria. Seven million times more toxic than Cobra venom. Botulin poisons its victims by blocking the actions of neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Symptoms can range... Okay, so this is the symptoms from botulism. Is salt peter come from botulism? So one of the... Okay, one of the serious aspects of is one of the most deadly substances known to mankind

• 2:40:32Joe Rogan?

  is this botulism bacteria. Okay, botulism can be prevented by the appropriate use of sodium nitrate. Discovery that actually became about in an accidental fashion. Salting of meat is an ancient method of preservation based on the ability of sodium chloride to kill bacteria by drawing out much of their water content. About 500 years ago, some clever cook noted that the effectiveness of salt in preserving meat depends upon its source. Furthermore, salt that worked particularly well improved the meat's flavor and color. Okay, the secret turned out to be an impurity potassium nitrate more familiar known as salt peter. Okay, so this is how they came up with it to combat botulism. Okay, now what about? How does salt peter work? What's the point of it?

• 2:41:16Joe Rogan?

  Why would people take it? I don't understand.

• 2:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. What's it say?

• 2:41:24Speaker 03

  You wanted about priests, correct? Was the original thing?

• 2:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:41:30Joe Rogan?

  Because this is what we had always heard when we were kids. That they would give priests Salt Peter to suppress their carnal urges. So here it says, "Salt Peter known for use many purposes in the past, including as a curing agent, key compound of gunpowder."

• 2:41:46Speaker 01

  Man, this stuff does everything.

• 2:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but what about sexual urges?

• 2:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Mmm. They debunked the myth about Salt Peter lowering libido or sex drive. It's false. It's a myth that's been going around for years. The myth started when, what does it say? Let's see where the myth started.

• 2:42:06Speaker 03

  Why don't we go with QR? Let's try military times.

• 2:42:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but if you see that, where it says there, "Top answer."

• 2:42:12Speaker 03

  I know those are all QR things. Those are just, those are message boards essentially.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I would just like to see what that person on the message board says. I think it's kind of interesting. "The myth started with the military." See this article from Snopes. "Popular myth promoted by youngsters in boarding schools." Interesting. "Summer camps as well as men in the military in prisons. Some boys or men use this as an excuse for sexual performance problems." "Doctors and pharmacists have debunked the myth about Salt Peter lowering the libido, prostate, or sex drive. It's false." "Even if some ignorant, random prison did this to a group of inmates, they've proven it would not have the negative effects." People keep saying it does.

• 2:42:50Speaker 01

  But that doesn't prove that they didn't do it.

• 2:42:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:52Speaker 01

  They're just saying it wouldn't work.

• 2:42:53Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work. So maybe they like tried to use it against, maybe it was like a theoretical thing. That they thought was gonna, you know, like, wasn't that like Spanish Fly? Do you remember Spanish Fly?

• 2:43:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's the one Cosby bragged about, right?

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:43:11Speaker 01

  That's the creepiest tape ever.

• 2:43:12Joe Rogan?

  The creepiest. He had a bit about it.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  And then he did an episode.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:17Speaker 01

  About it. They did an episode where it says like barbecue sauce or something like that.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  His special barbecue sauce to get everybody horny.

• 2:43:23Speaker 01

  What a weird guy. How did, by the way, no one, I guess in the eighties, people had a lot of blinders on. But he was just like, he was like, hey, I got an idea for the episode. Like, maybe it's like, you know, we're, we're doing, you know, the Huxtable family and I just make my barbecue sauce and all the chicks wanna fuck. You're like, wait, what?

• 2:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Nutty.

• 2:43:39Speaker 01

  Why would you do that on the show?

• 2:43:41Joe Rogan?

  Family sitcom?

• 2:43:42Speaker 01

  I thought we were gonna do like Theo gets in a fight and then we have to talk to him about like keeping his grades up.

• 2:43:46Joe Rogan?

  The importance of homework.

• 2:43:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, right? Like it was, it was just so out of the ordinary for what that show was. And he's like, no, I really, listen, I'm the star and it really means a lot to me that we do this episode.

• 2:43:56Joe Rogan?

  How strange. So I think Spanish fly was another myth that people thought was real. And I remember hearing about it when I was a kid, that you could give a girl a thing, this whatever the Spanish fly was. Find the, what's the origin of Spanish, Spanish fly?

• 2:44:11Speaker 03

  I stumbled across something crazy about this, uh, salt peter stuff.

• 2:44:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 2:44:15Speaker 03

  Uh, I'm trying to read it. I was trying to read through it as fast so I could give you a quick answer. There is a job, it says in like Sweden, I had to transfer this, uh, salt peter welder. Profession whose task consists of collecting urine soaked earth in order to make more salt peter. Because they used it in ammunition. So they had these barns where, I guess, it says here pissing men. I was trying to get it here.

• 2:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Wow. And that's how they make gum powder?

• 2:44:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, you'd piss on the ground into the soil and then they'd get enough of that stuff together finally and then

• 2:44:47Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:44:48Speaker 03

  You could make some gunpowder out of it.

• 2:44:49Speaker 01

  How much? How much? But how much experimentation did it take to figure out that like, no, listen dude, it wasn't, if I piss on the ground, I could make gunpowder. You'd be like, how'd you figure that out? You're like, listen dude, it's a long story. All right. I was doing a lot of stuff this weekend.

• 2:45:04Joe Rogan?

  What year was this? Eighteen thirty?

• 2:45:06Speaker 03

  The sixteen hundreds.

• 2:45:07Joe Rogan?

  Sixteen hundreds? They fix this, figure this out?

• 2:45:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that is wild.

• 2:45:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, they.

• 2:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Hold on, stop, scroll back up a little bit. What does it say here? "All peasants, the priests made sure that no one was forgotten, were forced to deliver their imposed quota of salt peter soil, along with ash, wood, and coal, to the nearest simmering plant. The obligation was replaced in 1634 by a salt peter tax. The salt peter Jews," that's always the Jews, "now instead came to collect the soil themselves from under the farmers' barns. The salt peter taxes were placed in 1801 by an obligation for each mantle to annually supply one half, what does that say, LI pound of salt peter to the state? What does that mean?

• 2:45:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, this was transferred, or uh.

• 2:45:56Joe Rogan?

  What is LI pound?

• 2:45:58Speaker 03

  Swedish.

• 2:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay. 1830, the salt peter tax ceased entirely. The farmers were required to have wooden floors in the barns in order for this salt peter formation to take place. They were required to have wooden, this is crazy. The peasants complained about these impositions and about the visits of the suds. The simmering lasted annually from May 1st to September 29th. The simmering consisted, continued for six to seven days or until an egg could float on the surface. At this time lime and ash were added, which caused, which caused the included common salt to crystallize and be, could thus be removed. The whole thing was then allowed to cool down to about 25 degrees when the salt peter began to crystallize.

• 2:46:41Joe Rogan?

  The raw salt peter was then transported to the gunpowder mills. The boilers had, to have the right, to take fuel for the cooking.

• 2:46:50Speaker 03

  Is the simmer, does that mean that they made like a, a little pond of pee, urine? And then they poured chemicals on it?

• 2:46:57Joe Rogan?

  It sounds like they had a. Describing as a little pond.

• 2:46:59Speaker 03

  I don't know what it would be, it says it's simmering, but like.

• 2:47:01Joe Rogan?

  They must have had a vat of it. They must have had like a big cauldron of piss.

• 2:47:08Joe Rogan?

  Pissed dirt that they cooked until you could float an egg on the surface.

• 2:47:12Speaker 01

  Oh dude.

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how did someone figure it out to your point? How?

• 2:47:16Speaker 01

  We're so lucky we live now.

• 2:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:47:18Speaker 01

  I don't want to live in the time where I got pissed on the dirt to make gunpowder.

• 2:47:22Joe Rogan?

  People are gonna be saying that about the, in the future, about this time. God, thank god we didn't live in a time where they were fucking, the whole country was at war over the stupidest shit and controlled by this media that was completely controlled by corporations and everybody was being gaslit and people willingly gaslit themselves.

• 2:47:37Speaker 01

  I've always, I've always felt the one, um, you know, if you could try to guess, like, like just say if we survive and things improve morally, like what we would look back on and be like, holy shit, they and the two to me were always, uh, was always war and, uh, prison. And especially like nonviolent, you know, like prisoners, like, but even violent prisoners, you'd almost think like, well, they didn't figure anything else out?

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:03Speaker 01

  Like they didn't figure anything else out other than, but the idea of like putting nonviolent, like victimless criminals in a fucking cage?

• 2:48:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:13Speaker 01

  Like human beings, you just throw them in a, it's slavery, dude.

• 2:48:16Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, but you profit off of it?

• 2:48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  So you have private prisons that are actually a corporation that lobby to make sure that certain laws stay on the books? So that you could keep your prisons stocked with live people that are essentially batteries that generate money for you?

• 2:48:33Speaker 01

  And, and just the fact that that's still going on while we have all of these technological advancements and, you know, like if you go, you know, you go down to like Saint Jude's or something like that and they're like, dude, they have all of this technology because all of these brilliant people are here to save babies' lives. You know what I mean? Like that's going on and then also there's war still?

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:55Speaker 01

  Like we haven't figured out a different way? Like everybody doesn't just agree, like, listen, obviously to just go on mass slaughter campaigns and have nothing but destruction is in nobody's interest. So here's how we're gonna solve.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:07Speaker 01

  These conflicts. Like it's just, it does seem that like if, if human beings survive for another hundred years and, and we, you know, are at a higher moral level, we would look back at that, the way. We look back at, you know, witch hunts or like slavery or something like that. It'd be like, that's insane. That people were so evil, you know, that they would like they could do such such evil stuff.

• 2:49:30Joe Rogan?

  And then we could do such evil stuff in the age of information.

• 2:49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:34Speaker 01

  Like very hard. And maybe, maybe we are like moving in that direction where, you know, it does seem for sure. I think that the fact that the war, the war in Gaza has had more um images come out of it than any other conflict. That's a huge part of the reason why there's so much protest against it.

• 2:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Right, the advent of technology that's everywhere. Everyone has a cell phone.

• 2:49:54Speaker 01

  Very hard, very hard. I think me and you might have talked about that last time I was on, right? But it's like even the war in Iraq, which is not ancient history, you know, it was, it was still going on. I mean, secondly, we still got troops there now, but like the video footage that would come out would be like, you know, it almost looked like a firework, like kind of exploding, which is, that's easy to see and root for. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, good guys kicking ass. But when you're seeing a baby being pulled out of rubble, who is just suffocated to death, ah, that's tough, dude.

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  Tents on fire that were hit by missiles.

• 2:50:27Speaker 01

  That's really, really tough, dude. It's really tough to find a way. Yep, there's still people out there who will find a way to try to justify it, but it's tough. It's, it's much tougher.

• 2:50:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's sort of the divide today. The divide today is objective reality versus what have you been saying? There's objective reality versus you have a narrative. The narrative is Israel has to defeat Hamas. Hamas is using human shoulders, uh, hu- human shields, rather. That's the narrative. The objective reality is blown apart children and not just one, like tens of thousands of innocent people dead.

• 2:51:06Speaker 01

  Dude, I was just, uh, I was just watching this, um, this interview. I'm blanking on the doctor's name, but it was Dave DeCamp. Uh, was interviewing him, who's, by the way, phenomenal, one of the best reporters in the, in the country. Um, DeCamp Dave, uh, D E C A M P. Dave is his Twitter handle. He's phenomenal.

• 2:51:24Joe Rogan?

  I'll follow him right now.

• 2:51:24Speaker 01

  He's great, dude. He's great. He's one of, uh, he's, he's. He's over at antiwar.com. He's what like Scott Horton's guy. By the way, my guy Scott Horton just uh just gave you and Jamie a copy of the book Unprovoked is uh is gonna be out I think in the next week or so. Um I'm sorry provoked. I didn't mean to say unprovoked. It's provokedbook.com. The best book written on the uh the history of the Ukraine Russia conflict and how America just blew it at every single opportunity. Anyway, so he so Dave de Camp was interviewing this guy uh who's a doctor. He's an American who went over to Gaza. He was a doctor and he had been there was a big piece in the New York Times written about this where he said that every

• 2:52:06Speaker 01

  day that he was there, every single day, they'd see they'd treat toddlers with bullets to the head, that they were just constantly seeing this. And then he says that he also talked to a whole bunch of other because so his working theory on this was but when he first started seeing this, so he's in this one area in Gaza and he was embedded there for a few months working at a hospital and he figured there was like some lone sadistic sniper out there. You know what I mean? Like these things happen in war. But then he started talking to doctors from all other points of Gaza who were there at all different times who all said the same thing, that they're getting toddlers with bullet and then when the New York Times published this, they uh a bunch of people who are defending Israel started being like this isn't true,

• 2:52:48Speaker 01

  blah, blah, blah, the Israeli most moral fighting force in the world. So he published the x-rays. He's like, okay, you know, I'm a doctor. I have the x-rays right here. He published them. It's just 100% is happening. Like it's just.

• 2:53:02Joe Rogan?

  So what is happening?

• 2:53:05Speaker 01

  I mean, Israel's been on a mass slaughter campaign of a captive people for over a year now, you know?

• 2:53:12Joe Rogan?

  And they're shooting babies.

• 2:53:14Speaker 01

  Evidently, I mean, this there's a doctor who's he's an American, he's claiming it happened and he has x-rays. So yeah, it seems like that's what's going on there. And I mean, look, I it's it's.

• 2:53:28Speaker 01

  Obviously, just so horrific, man. The whole thing is so, it's, it's really amazing to me, the way to watch, the way people will rationalize and justify what Israel's doing. It takes so much mental gymnastics. And it's always gotta like, rely on, you know, it just, it lets you know, it's like, oh, so I get it. You see, it's like, oh, how human beings through all of hu- human history have had slavery and, and genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns, and at every step, there's someone there who's willing to justify it and explain why we have to do this, because this is the only way. And really, we're acting in defense. That's what they all claim. That's what the Nazis claim. It's what they all claim. They're really acting in defense.

• 2:54:05Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:54:07Speaker 01

  But, uh, it's-

• 2:54:08Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna look back on this time. The way people look back on concentration camps, the way people look back on the Mongol campaign, the way people look back on the Inquisition. We're gonna go, how? How did they do this?

• 2:54:20Speaker 01

  How, how were you allowed to just like? And it's, it's amazing the way people can compartmentalize it, too. You know what I mean? Like, it could just be like, hey, you, there's somebody who could be a totally loving dad and a good husband and all like that, but then can go to war and commit like, unspeakable horrors on other people. It's just like, they put that over here, you know? It's very hard to, to think about that or understand it, but it is-

• 2:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Unless you've talked to someone who's done it, and they, it's...

• 2:54:50Joe Rogan?

  This is one of the most important things, the messages that I wanna get to Trump. And one of the things that, um, I'm excited that Bobby Kennedy is interested in this as well is psychedelic therapy for veterans. I think if there's a way to understand the benefits of psychedelic therapy for everybody, the real pathway is through veterans who I think are the most needing of it. The most deserving of it, the most, the, the most neglected in terms of the, the, just the horrors that they experience and having to carry this around their mind. And that there's a way that many people have experienced relief, and it's not available to them. And it's not something that's dangerous, it's not something that's addictive.

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  You literally can't, you can't even eat enough psilocybin to kill yourself. It's not even- You can't do it. You wouldn't be able to consume it.

• 2:55:39Speaker 01

  It's impossible.

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  So, why?

• 2:55:41Speaker 01

  And it's, and it's been demonstrated to really help, at least a lot.

• 2:55:45Joe Rogan?

  Here's what's most important. All of it became illegal in the sweeping psychedelics act of 1970 that was designed by the Nixon administration so that they could demonize anti-war protesters. So they could, they could arrest anti-war protesters, civil rights protesters, the Black Panthers. They made all that stuff illegal because all these counterculture people were all using that to completely change the programming that they received in society.

• 2:56:12Speaker 01

  Think about the irony of that, like the deep, deep irony, that they made this stuff illegal because they thought if it was out there, they wouldn't be able to get their wars. So they make it illegal and they get their wars. And then it turns out that this is the thing that helps the people that are traumatized coming back from war. But you can't have it because it's illegal.

• 2:56:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's the clearest shifting culture.

• 2:56:33Speaker 01

  Is that irony? It's something like that.

• 2:56:34Joe Rogan?

  It is irony. It is irony because it's the pathway to help for a lot of these guys that come back. You ask them to do unspeakable things in modern society that are against the law and you force them to do it. You go, force them to go kill people. They see their friends killed. And then they come back here and there's no tools, when there are tools. But they have to go to Mexico to utilize these tools. They have to go to Costa Rica and the Amazon. They have to go to all these different places because it's illegal in the very place that sent them over there. The very place that tells them, it's legal for you to go kill people that you've never met, but it's not legal for you to take psilocybin that might help you get over the fact that you killed people.

• 2:57:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's, I know my, uh, my buddy, uh, Michael Heiss, who, uh, he just started a media company called, uh, Dissident Media. He's been big on this. This is like, he's like an activist who's been working on like the decriminalization of, uh, psilocybin for, for years. And that's one of the major reasons because it helps these soldiers so much.

• 2:57:27Joe Rogan?

  We need to be kinder, all of us, to each other. We need to, at this moment in time especially. And I've, I've seen a lot of people saying we have to just accept the results, which I think is wonderful. We do have to accept the results. But also, we have to remember that we are one team. This is Team USA and there's plenty of room for everybody. We all- All want the same things. We all want to be healthy, we want to protect our loved ones, we want to be safe and we want to prosper. Everybody wants the same thing. You want to be able to do what you want, you want to be able to have a happy life and a healthy life. This is the one shot that we get at this experience. We can all do this together. We can all do this. And one of the ways that people can come to these conclusions and realize that we're all connected is through psychedelics.

• 2:58:10Joe Rogan?

  I'm not saying that they're a perfect pathway. I'm not saying that it's good for everybody. I think it's dangerous for some people. Particularly people that have a hard time with regular reality. If regular reality is slippery for you, if you have psychiatric conditions. Maybe that's not the thing for you. But for most of us, it would benefit us. And we should have been exploring this and it was stopped fifty-four fucking years ago. By a corrupt government that wanted to squash anti-war protests. That car that I showed you, when I was explaining to you.

• 2:58:40Speaker 01

  Such a cool car.

• 2:58:41Joe Rogan?

  That car exists because of drugs. The ones afterwards suck. The reason why the ones afterwards suck is that's a nineteen sixty-nine Nova. When you get into the nineteen seventies, cars turned to dog shit. It's exactly after they cut off the psychedelics.

• 2:58:56Speaker 01

  No one's making a good car on cocaine. You need the psychedelics to make a cool car, yeah.

• 2:59:00Joe Rogan?

  All the designs, they all turned to shit. Classic cars are cars from the sixties and the seventies and the early seventies. That's what people want. Nobody wants eighties cars. They don't want them. They're worth nothing. Like, nobody gives a shit about them. You find a nineteen sixty-nine Corvette, you look at it like, whoa, look at that thing. Because their designers were doing drugs, man. They were wild people. They were artists. The music. Look at the music between the nineteen sixties and then go into the nineteen eighties. Like, what the fuck happened? We had Hendrix and the Doors and the Beatles. We had this wild experimental stuff.

• 2:59:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, then if you've ever done psychedelics, you listen to that music and you're like, oh, I know what inspired this. This is pretty easy to tell.

• 2:59:43Joe Rogan?

  Entire Grateful Dead catalog. It's all psychedelically inspired. And you almost have to be on psychedelics to appreciate them. That all was squashed by this desire to.

• 2:59:56Joe Rogan?

  Stop people from protesting into a horrible unjust war.

• 2:59:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, and look, man, I mean, that I think that's a great message to get to Trump like let these guys like they were. They were like the bravest amongst us who got totally tricked and bribed and propagandized into going to these wars. And then they come back and they're blowing their brains out by the tens of thousands.

• 3:00:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:16Speaker 01

  And there's something that might help.

• 3:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:18Speaker 01

  That is very low risk of of almost no risk of like actually hurting and it really might help.

• 3:00:24Joe Rogan?

  No risk of addiction.

• 3:00:26Speaker 01

  Even better than that, man, would just be keep us out of these wars.

• 3:00:30Joe Rogan?

  Out of these fucking wars.

• 3:00:32Speaker 01

  Let's just and look, I will say this is one of the things that I'm really optimistic about is that of that team that we were talking about earlier that Donald Trump's got around him, you know, all those people like Elon Musk and and Vivek Ramaswamy and J D Vance and Tucker Carlson and all these guys, David Sacks. David Sacks is probably the best. They're so good on Ukraine, every one of them, like they're all just like, yeah, no, this makes no sense. This is such a clear cut situation where you could easily make a deal. Vladimir Putin, and I know I've talked about this on past shows and anybody go listen to those and go read Scott Horton's amazing book Provoked. But just to just very quickly, it is all but accepted at this point.

• 3:01:16Speaker 01

  Nobody's even debate when I first came on the first podcast that we talked about Ukraine, whatever a few years ago now. When I said, oh, there was a peace deal like that was agreed to in principle by Ukraine and Russia. And then Boris Johnson came in to on behalf of the U. S. To make sure they didn't negotiate a peace and kept the war going. There were a bunch of people who were like, oh, that's not true and blah, blah, blah. And there's and now it's just been totally like like that 100% I was right about that. They had a peace deal worked out and then since then, the the guy whose name I always butcher. But it's Norwegian, so I don't know how to Strasselberger, the head of NATO. He came out and said, and he was bragging, but he goes, you know, Vladimir Putin before he invaded Ukraine,

• 3:02:01Speaker 01

  told us that if we just put it in writing that we would not bring Ukraine into NATO, that he wouldn't invade. And we told him, no, because we won't be bullied by you. So he's like bragging about how they had an opportu- all they had to do was say, "We will not bring your biggest neighbor into our military alliance," which is very clearly against you. The most reasonable demand. Now, I'm not saying it's reasonable that he invaded. That's not reasonable. But it is a totally reasonable demand if the US was to say, "Now, Mexico can't be a part of China's military alliance," you know, like-

• 3:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Seems super reasonable.

• 3:02:36Speaker 01

  So that's- so he's got so many great people around him on that, but I don't- it's not exactly the same with the Israel-Gaza war, where he- it seems like a lot of the people around him are not so great on that. Some of them are. Some of them are really good on it. But I'm really hoping-

• 3:02:53Joe Rogan?

  Why don't I organize a podcast with you, me, and him?

• 3:02:57Speaker 01

  Now you're speaking my language.

• 3:02:59Joe Rogan?

  Let's go, Dave Smith.

• 3:03:00Speaker 01

  Dude, let's do it.

• 3:03:01Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 3:03:02Speaker 01

  I'll- and listen, I've been- I voted for him. I've been supporting him and stuff.

• 3:03:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:07Speaker 01

  But, uh, you know, I think, um, I would love to do that. But I would just- whether it's me or not, I just hope that he gets the message through somehow. And I know it's a complicated thing to navigate, because Israel has a lot of influence on our government. And they've got- and he's got people like Vivek Ramaswamy and Tucker Carlson, who really are non-interventionists and don't want to see American taxpayer dollars being used to fund wars around the world, no matter who it's for, you know? Like, it's just like, "Hey, we're broke. We got our own problems here, and we can't afford to do this." But then he also has, um, Miriam Adelson, who cut him $100 million and is probably gonna give another $100 or $200 million to congressional candidates in the next midterm

• 3:03:49Speaker 01

  election and all of this. And she is singularly focused on one issue. And that issue is that we always unconditionally and unwaveringly support Israel, no matter what they're doing.

• 3:04:02Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna set up that conversation.

• 3:04:04Speaker 01

  Let's do it, bro.

• 3:04:04Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna set that up. Dave Smith, you're a fucking national Trevor. Treasure. You really are. You're a national treasure. You're so important. And the fact that you can talk about these things, you have such great recall, but you're also funny, is so important. I'm so happy you're out there.

• 3:04:20Speaker 01

  Well, thank you, and that means a lot to me, particularly just because it's coming from you, dude. And I'm like, dude, I've been so goddamn impressed with you since well before I ever knew you. And I'll tell you, after the last couple of weeks, dude, I'm like, I just can't even believe it. I can't even believe it's real, dude. But thank you. Thank you for having me again.

• 3:04:37Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure.

• 3:04:38Speaker 01

  And anytime. We'll do it again.

• 3:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Thanks. We wrapped it up. All right. Bye, everybody.

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