#2566 - Cody Tucker

Cody Tucker is the host of "The Cody Tucker Show" and "Rewind and Repeat with Cody Tucker" podcasts and author of "And Now You Know: Mind-Blowing Stories from History and Pop Culture." His new book, "Where Did That Come From?: The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases," is available now.https://a.co/d/0buvONu8https://www.youtube.com/@thecodytuckershowhttps://www.thecodytucker.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  The Joe Rogan Experience.

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  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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  Cody.

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  What's happening?

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  Hey, man.

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  Good to see you, brother.

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  I know.

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  You wrote a book. Look at you, you're a fucking author.

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  A second one.

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  Yeah.

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  I never.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Oh, is your second book?

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  Yeah, I remember last time I was here.

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  Oh, that's right. That's right. Where did that come from? I still, I mean, I marvel at your Instagram page. Your Instagram page is excellent. It's one of the best ones I follow, for sure. But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly able to create content, like these non sequitur, very bizarre facts and strange coincidences. Like, how the fuck are you doing this?

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  Dude, I read so much, and I'm a pretty quick reader. Like, I've always been very fast, like a good skimmer. And, yeah, I just, like, all day, every day, that's all I do.

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  So you read, and then you go, oh, that one's crazy. And you just write it down?

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  Yeah, so like, whatever I'm reading, like I say, I'm reading a book on, um, like, Ben Franklin. I'll, anything that comes up, I'm like, oh, that's pretty interesting, I don't think a lot of people know about that, highlight. And then I go through, piece all together, check and make sure it's all, you know, real. And, yeah, and then dive into other things off of that, like kind of spider web out and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole.

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  Constantly.

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  All day, every day, rabbit holes.

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  What is that like?

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  Uh, it can get weird. Yeah. I mean, there's some times where I'm like, ew, I hope, um, you know, I hope the FBI's enjoying what they're seeing, because, uh, good lord. Like, I didn't want to be here today, but, yeah, it can get a little odd, you know?

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  Yeah, because you're constantly, like, researching crimes and...

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  Oh, yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Murders, um, weird things that have been done to people over time.

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  Speaking, you know the Debbie Harry story?

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  Well, that she thinks may have had, but I don't know if I buy it.

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  Really? Tell people what it is.

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  Okay, so...

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  The Ted Bundy one.

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  So, yeah, so Debbie Harry believes that sometime in the early 70s or late 60s, that she was picked up by a man driving a Volkswagen Beetle, and that that car didn't have indoor, um, handles, and she escaped, and she believes that it was Ted Bundy. But if you look it up, like, on, you know, like a timeline of events, he was not anywhere around there at that time. So it could just be another guy.

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  Oh, jeez.

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  Doing creepy things, yeah. When there's one, there's many, you know?

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  Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time a guy's figured out a way to close off the handles on the inside of his car.

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  Oh, it won't be the last.

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  Trap people.

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  Yeah, I'm working on it right now.

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  Ha! I watched a video today where this, uh, young man in India robbed a guy with scopolamine.

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  What the hell's that?

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  Okay, I'm so glad I get to tell you something that you don't know.

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  Oh, yeah, I don't, if it's science-related or anything like that, I'm probably not gonna know anything.

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  Well, it's crime-related as well. Scopolamine is a drug that is, uh, I guess it's in the class of deliriant, um, and if, if inhaled, you literally become like a prisoner to whoever gave you the drug. Like, you, you become like a zombie.

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  Really?

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  Yeah. It is like a zombie drug.

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  This is real?

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  Not only is it real, but it's also the active ingredient in anti-seasickness medication. So when you take Dramamine?

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  I'm the captain now.

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  Dramamine? Ha! Look at me.

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  Yeah, that's what he was doing, and he blew it right in Hank's face.

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  Scopolamine is, uh, the, one of the ingredients in Dramamine.

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  Oh.

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  So, I don't know, I guess it's a very small dose, but in a larger dose. So this guy, this young guy came up behind this guy in India, and he put it on his neck, and the guy touches his neck, and then all of a sudden, he just keeps touching his neck, and the guy just takes his bag off of him, takes his wallet out of his pocket, takes his phone out of his other pocket and walks off, and the guy's just standing there, just helpless, lost and helpless.

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  That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard?

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  Yeah, it's like...

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  That's so crazy, god.

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  Uh, what do they refer to it as? There's a...

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  Devil's breath?

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  Devil's breath, that's right. In Colombia, the drug dealers use it to, uh, force people to do things.

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  Yeah, okay.

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  They blow it in their face, and when they inhale it.

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  Okay.

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  It's like, they literally just come up to you.

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  Right. Where have I seen that in a movie?

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  Um, there was a zombie movie a long time ago.

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  Serpent in the Rainbow?

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  That's right.

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  Oh, I love that movie.

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  Yeah, great movie. I'm so glad we just brought that up, I forgot about that movie.

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  Yeah, Serpent in the Rainbow is on my, I used to watch that all the time when I was a kid, like five or six.

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  Well, they think that that might be a part of the whole zombie lore that scopolamine use.

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  Okay. Oh, that makes sense.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting.

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  Yeah, it's apparently, like, see if there's any videos of people getting dosed with scopolamine? Because this, I didn't know that people did it to rob people. And this guy in India, he just, like, touched some of it on this guy's neck.

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  Right, right.

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  He was standing behind him, and he was looking at the guy's bag, and, you know, looking the guy over, the guy's waiting across the street, and he just reaches and touches the side of his neck with it.

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  Oh, so it's potent as hell.

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  Potent as hell.

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  Man.

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  Well, he didn't go unconscious, but he immediately was just like, what the hell? And then he was just like, just, just delirious, just, just moving around weird, and the guy just took a shit.

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  I wonder where you buy that?

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  That's a good question.

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  Hmm.

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  Maybe you shouldn't search that either.

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  Well, I've searched one or so.

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  What's that, James? Patches of it for motion sickness.

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  Yeah, motion sickness, but like, how many patches do you have to take before someone could just steal your wallet?

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  That's a question.

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  You have to, like, mummify them, just head to toe?

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  I know, right, what do you have to do?

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  Yeah, I, uh...

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  Is there any videos of people under the influence of it?

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  All the videos I'm looking on YouTube are literally, like, uh, the patches and, like, people putting them on their neck. There is a Vice documentary from 14 years ago.

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  Hmm.

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  But it's in Colombia.

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  Boy, 14 years ago, Vice was the shit.

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  Oh, man, did you ever watch, um, The Cannibal Warlords of, um, Liberia?

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  Liberia, yeah.

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  Yeah, about General Butt Naked?

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  Yes!

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  And Charles Taylor? Oh, my god, that's, I've recommended that probably more than I've ever recommended anything in my life.

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  It's so terrifying that they did that. And that, that guy just, he just became a preacher and all's forgiven. He was eating kids.

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  Yeah, eating their hearts.

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  Yeah.

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  Like, saving the heart because it meant invincible.

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  Cutting it right out of their chest while they're alive, and then eating their heart, and then, and then he found Jesus and all's forgiven.

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  Yeah, well, I mean, I guess that is, you know, what it says in there, but...

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  What a great place to live, though, in terms of, like, actual, real forgiveness. Very few places give you that kind of leeway.

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  Yeah.

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  Oh, you found Jesus?

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  But didn't he, he caught a guy serving human meat?

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  Yes.

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  Like, a guy was serving it, like, on a stick, you know?

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  While he was a preacher.

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  Right, right, he tasted it and was like, uh-oh, I know this taste.

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  Yeah.

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  And reported him.

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  Yeah, and it was true.

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  Yeah, a guy was killing people and just, you know, turning them into like a...

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  Lunch count.

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  A shish kebab.

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  Yeah, Liberia is a fucked up place. So, do you know the story of Liberia?

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  About, like, James Monroe? Is that Liberia or is that Libya? No, Liberia, Liberia was like a colony that was going to be, you know, like, take basically all slaves back to this spot, and that's why the capital's Monrovia, because it's named after James Monroe, the president, yeah.

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  Yeah, so, I mean, it was literally founded with chaos.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, because, yeah, we completely screwed that one up.

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  We fucked that whole country up.

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  Yeah, what a shock.

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  And then that General Butt Naked guy would literally take his fucking clothes off, fully naked, and run into battle with an AK-47.

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  And a machete.

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  Yeah.

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  Normally, you'd just use a machete, which...

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  Phew.

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  Yeah, I don't think it would have the same effect if I did that.

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  Butt naked?

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  Yeah.

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  With a machete?

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  No, I don't think it would be.

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  I'd run.

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  Well, that's probably true, actually, yeah, it'd probably be even more effective than now.

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  It's a lot of, a lot of fear, a lot of fear coming off of you.

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  A lot of meat.

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  A lot of meat.

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  Yeah, a lot of meat.

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  AK-47.

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  Not a lot of speed, though.

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  Running, not a lot of speed.

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  Actually, I'm faster than you would imagine.

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  A lot of momentum.

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  Oh, yeah, once I start, I cannot be stopped. Uh, yeah, I mean, no, I'm faster than you think, you know, all jokes aside.

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  Do you run?

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  Well, if I have to.

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  But how do you know, then? What was the last time you had to run away from something?

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  So you know how like when you're not running, you're not moving, you're storing energy?

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  Okay.

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  You know, like there's kinetic energy and potential energy.

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  Wait a minute.

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  This is all I know about science really is about this.

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  When you're not moving, you're storing energy?

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  Well, of course you are.

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  Like if you're napping?

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  Well, yeah, because if you're doing something, you're expelling energy.

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  Right.

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  So you must be storing some whenever you're doing nothing. Like if I eat and do nothing, I'm building up energy.

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  Hmm.

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  That's ready to go. Well, I've been doing that for about 15 years. So the amount of energy I have stored up is probably second to none.

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  I don't think that would work in a study. I think if you did a study, I think they'd probably have some other explanations as to what's happening when you just sit still.

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  If I paid the right person, I'd get the results I wanted.

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  That's true.

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  Yeah.

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  That's what's crazy.

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  Yeah, I know.

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  When you find out that, uh, we had, uh, one of these guys that was on our podcast that was a litigator, um, for, um, these, uh, lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies.

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  Oh, yeah.

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  And he's explaining how pharmaceutical drug companies do their peer reviewed studies.

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  Oh, I'm sure that's.

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  Oh, it's so crazy. So first of all, there, there's no transparency. So like, say if you have a drug that you want to release, you could do 10 studies and eight of them show this is complete bullshit. But one or two of them show just some sort of statistically significant improvement in something. Because you've kind of manipulated all the different controls in the study to make it. Then you get, once you have this, if it's peer reviewed, the scientists do not get to look at the actual data.

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  Okay.

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  They, they get to look at the pharmaceutical drug companies scientists' version of what the study was.

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  Okay.

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  So they only get to use what they're like, so if they have scientists that perform this study, then these scientists submit a report and then that report gets reviewed by peer, it gets peer reviewed, not the actual data.

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  Okay.

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  So like no one ever gets to see the actual study. So it's one of the reasons that they can say crazy things like it's a hundred percent effective.

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  Right, right, right.

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  In, in, in stopping death and illness. So when they say it's a hundred percent effective, you know how they say that? So if you have one person in the control group or, or two, one person in the vaccine group or the medication group, and that person dies, and then you have a control group where two people die.

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  Hmm.

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  Well, a hundred percent more died in the control group where they didn't get the medication.

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  Right.

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  So that means it's a hundred percent effective. I'm not bullshitting.

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  Oh, boy, that's a.

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  Isn't that wild?

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  You gotta have a, oh, to reach that kind of bullshit.

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  Sociopathy.

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  That's amazing.

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  That's sociopathy at a, at a, where you're delivering medication that could potentially kill people. And that's how you get things like Vioxx.

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  Yeah. See, that's the job I need. Cause I'm very good at that kind of thing.

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  Is that getting moving words around?

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  Oh, yeah, yeah. I can make all kinds. I mean, I've, I've been hired at every job I've ever applied to with zero experience in that field. And so, and it was just because I lied.

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  Really?

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  Yeah.

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  Well, like what kind of jobs have you had?

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  Oh, it's nothing crazy. I've never been like a, you know, a doctor or anything. But I mean, it was, you know, working like at an eyeglass place or, you know, or a movie theater, you know? Like, hey, I've worked at movie theaters for years. So I've never, no, I just lie and.

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  Well, movie theater, no one's gonna get hurt.

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  Well, that's what I'm saying. Well, no, I've never worked in a position where people, I did work in a pharmacy. I guess that could get people hurt, but, um.

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  Did you say you had a degree?

• 14:45Speaker 02

  No, I said I was on my way of get, to getting one, which I guess technically is true if I.

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  Sure.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  I mean, anyway, you're on my way if, you know?

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  I'm gonna be a scientist.

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  You just haven't started, but.

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  Speaking of that, how does this happen when the CIA guy that stole all that money? How does he lie about his past to get through the CIA to a point where he can then lie about a fake operation where he steals a hundred and fifty million dollars?

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  So he faked a college degree and he faked his military service and got into the CIA and was a senior CIA official?

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  How?

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  Well, they didn't check.

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  Like with the.

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  They did the Cody Tucker.

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  No. No, he just didn't keep a straight face. I mean, he kept a straight face. That's all you gotta do.

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  That guy, that guy's wild. What a wild fella he must have been.

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  Yeah, that's.

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  Please tell me some cocaine involved in here somewhere.

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  Oh, there has to be.

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  He's got luxury watches, thirty-five luxury watches, two BMWs.

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  There's your answer to the cocaine question.

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  Private charter flights, he spent one point eight million. Woo!

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  Oh, yeah.

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  Luxury Florida real estate in Palm Beach.

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  But also he's just got caught. There's no way he came up with this out of a vacuum and just was like, I got an idea. I can take advantage of the CIA in this cool way.

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  Right.

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  I feel like I can do it.

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  Well, there's no way he's the only one.

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  That's what I mean. Yeah, like.

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  Yeah. Well, that's where those, all those stories about like the, the dude from the Tom Cruise movie, what the fuck's his name again?

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  Georgie?

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  No, um, the coke dealer.

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  Barry Seals.

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  Oh, thank you, Barry Seals.

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  Was that American made? Is that?

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  Yes.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  The Mina Arkansas story.

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  Yes.

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  This guy was working for the CIA, going down to Columbia, getting cocaine, flying it into Mina, Arkansas, dropping it off. And, uh, you know, he, he got busted with it and then Bill Clinton had him released. That's in the movie.

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  Well, I mean, yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, I think that was his MO quite a bit.

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  Well, I think the CIA and I think probably a lot of the big government organizations, is this the guy's gold?

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  It's the gold and the cash he had in his house.

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  Oh!

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  He had like three million in cash and forty million in gold bars or so.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  It looks fake. Like it just looks like a movie. It looks like a prop.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it's also like the perfect box. Those might be like, is that how they found it or is this like how the government stored it?

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  Probably stored it and then took a picture of it.

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  Cause those look like, you know, government Pelican boxes.

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  I mean, maybe it was the ones he bought, cause I don't know.

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  I feel like if I had all that, I'd probably store it pretty nicely.

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  Right. I'd have like LED lights around it and shit. Take off all my clothes and dance in front of it.

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  Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, those could be ones in there and I'd still do that. It'd be like, uh, you know, Pulp Fiction.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  And it's that yellow, like old light.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  He had thirty watches, many of which were Rolex's.

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  Well, congrats. There's a plug for Rolex.

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  Two twenty twenty-six BMW Alpinas. That's the, those are the really nice ones. Woo! Uh, he's scheduled to be sentenced January twenty eighth, twenty twenty seven, faces a maximum penalty of twenty years in prison, three years of supervised release, forfeiture, restitution, and a fine.

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  A fine.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Meanwhile, they should probably rehire him and go, hey buddy, how'd you do this?

• 17:55Speaker 02

  I feel like that's worth it. Twenty years. To get to live that life.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Oh, he probably had a ball. I wonder how long he was doing it for?

• 18:02Speaker 02

  It, it, no, it didn't really say that, did it? Um, I mean, even if it was like ten years, you know? Ten years of awesomeness versus twenty years of, you know, prison, I feel like is like a fair trade.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  He probably would have never gotten that awesomeness without that crime. So you gotta, and then like maybe he goes to like a fairly, I mean, it's not like he did violent crimes. He's probably not gonna go to the worst kind of prison.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Not gonna go to a super max.

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  They'll probably put him in some medium security where he gets to read and go do exercises and he could take courses.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  The Martha Stewart prison.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or the fucking Ghislaine Maxwell prison.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  She's kind of in the same prison, right?

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's probably, yeah, end up somewhere like that. I think I would do it.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Isn't she in the same prison as that Elizabeth Holmes lady? The Theranos lady?

• 18:50Speaker 02

  Yes, she is in the, yeah.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  Hilarious.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Oh, I can't wait to say that.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  A sex trafficker and a lady who lied about blood tests. I haven't seen the documentary. It's not out yet, right?

• 19:00Speaker 02

  I don't think.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  It comes out this week?

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Okay. I cannot wait, bro. He's great.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Oh, he's ex, he's excellent.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  He's amazing, which I didn't really know about him until like pretty recently. So I've been doing like kind of a, you know, deep dive into just his whole, you know, stuff like on the show. And it is, he's amazing. He's hilarious and just so clever.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  The way he's holding her, his gaze with her in that, that, that little clip is just, her face is just wild. You gotta just, you know, like we all have empathy for people. Like shit, I mean, I don't think she killed anybody. So the thing is, here's the problem. When you're dealing with health stuff and you're lying about health tests, you could have killed people. Because there could have been a guy who had a condition, and the condition was not revealed by your Fagazi blood test.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  And if he had gone to a real doctor, like a Quest Diagnostics and get the whole thing done, they would have said, oh geez, we have to get you in and we have to do some further tests. Oh, it looks like this is elevated. We have some medication. You're gonna be okay. He could have, you know, like, there could be some people that took those tests that wound up not, not knowing about cancer that they had. There could have been a bunch of things where people actually did die. So I take that back.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  But, trade off. She also could have told people that they had a bad disease, horrible disease, and then they are in, you know, deep despair. They go to get a follow up and find out they never had it, and now they have a new lease on life.

• 20:28Speaker 01

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• 21:57Speaker 01

  which is like a super well-produced. Or like Dan Carlin's Hardcore History, where he takes months to prepare for each episode. We're barely doing the same thing. I'm not really, they should have a much more elegant name to whatever it is that they do. But they had one, I think it's called The Dropout. And I forget who produced it, but it's all about the Elizabeth Holmes story. From the beginning of Theranos to her scammy ex-boyfriend, who was also The Dropout, ABC Audio. It's excellent. I can't recommend it enough. It's fucking really good. And it just goes into a lo-long detail about what was going on and how much they knew it was bullshit.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  It's, it was bullshit. Like, those people weren't learning anything about what was wrong with them. It didn't work. And they, they got people, big investors. I think Warren Buffett, he might have dumped 100 million in there. Like, these people dumped big money in. One lady dumped 150 in there.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  150 million?

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that money's gone. You know, so like, that lady, when she gets out, her life is in danger. You know, like, she's, she's fucked.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  Oh, I would do horrible things to people for far less money-wise.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  150 million, and you find out, the problem is, it's like, it seemed like such a great story. You have this woman who's a super genius, basically the female Steve Jobs. She even dresses like him. And she is the most successful self-made woman in history.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  She was worth $9 billion at one point in time.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  If only.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  It's a crazy story.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  It is amazing. I mean, just what a horrible human being.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  But it's also just like Jamie said, like, how did it get that far? Like Jamie said with the CIA guy, how the fuck did you fake all those things? How did you fake your military career? How do they not check that?

• 24:00Speaker 02

  I feel, I feel like oversight is a much more prevalent than what, you know, people think. You know, or just

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Lack of.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Lack of oversight.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  You know, people usually aren't very good at their jobs, just in general. Like, you know, anytime you work with somebody, you realize, oh, none of us know what we're doing here. And I think that doesn't stop at a certain level. I think most people are just barely able to do their job.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Especially in government.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Oh, in government, I mean, good lord.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  That's, the problem is, a lot of these jobs don't need to exist. That's one of the weird statistics about California. When California was experiencing its, this mass exodus, its government grew substantially. Substantially. So they're creating jobs. Like, when they talk about, this administration has created over 100,000 jobs. They don't tell you how many of those are completely unnecessary government jobs. And so to justify those government jobs, they have to do all kinds of crazy things. Like, come up with new regulations and constantly like trying to enforce new laws and tell you it's to protect clean air, or clean water, or the environment, or climate change.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, no, if you can make your own jobs, I mean, you could have an endless supply of jobs.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Sure. If you are running a government and you decide to regulate some particular aspect of society, and then hire a bunch of people to oversee that, then you have new jobs.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  You have an entire committee.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  And everybody in that committee has their, you know, person, it's just a pyramid scheme.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Which really is, it's like multi-level marketing, but the thing you're selling is even more bullshitty than what most MLMs are selling.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Well, it's even scarier because a lot of these bullshitty things, they sell it to the general public under the guise, under this premise, that you're gonna help people who are in need. Like, the homeless situation in California, where they've, they've burned through $24 billion and Gavin Newsom vetoes an audit of it. Because what they'll find out is that money probably went to a bunch of nonprofits and probably went to a bunch of NGOs. And there was probably a bunch of people that were executives that got paid high six-figure salaries working there. And they have no incentive whatsoever to fix this problem.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  You got a nice house in Santa Monica, you got a mortgage, you're driving around in a Lexus. Why would you fix that?

• 26:26Speaker 02

  No, people don't police themselves typically. Once they get to a certain level, I think, you know, the average person does, you know? They choose to maybe drive the speed limit, even if there's not a cop around or whatever. But I think once you get to a certain level, when there's that much money involved, yeah, you'll, you'll usually just kind of do whatever the hell you want.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Especially if you're in government.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's amazing, like, you're the guy that is gonna stop you.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  So like, if, oh, you mean, I'm the guy who's supposed to bust me? I don't think so.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  And you're literally, like, you're part of the intelligence agency, and you've got a closet in your house filled with gold and $100 bills and cocaine.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  That'd be nice.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  You've got 30 Rolexes. You're fucking, you're bawling out of control.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not slowing that down for nothing.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Why would you slow down?

• 27:11Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  They probably feel like, okay, I'm gonna make one big score and then I'm gonna get out.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, that's, yeah, yeah, it's heat.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  This is our last one, you know?

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Michael Douglas was in here yesterday.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  I heard.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  It was great. And one of his crazy stories was, his dad, you know, when he turned 18, his dad basically said, look, I'm gonna write you a check for $10,000 and then that's it, you're cut off. And so the way he fund, and he was like, but I have a, I have student loans, I have this and that. So the way he funded his education is, he was smuggling marijuana. Like, huge suitcases, and this is pre-TSA. So he's literally like coming into the country with suitcases filled with marijuana. And he only did it twice. He did it twice.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  How do you do it just twice?

• 28:01Speaker 01

  That's what I said. I'm like, what willpower you have? But he said, I just, he goes, it was so crazy and so nerve-wracking. There was so much adrenaline, worried about getting caught. But he made a bunch of money, and that's how he financed everything.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  That's amazing. He produced, didn't he produce One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?

• 28:17Speaker 01

  He did, with Creedence Clearwater Revival's money. So the manager of, of John Fogerty, John Fogerty talked about it on the podcast. That guy was a scumbag, and he was like stealing his money.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, he sued him for sounding too much like himself. It was amazing. So, John Fogerty, you sound too much like John Fogerty.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  When he left Creedence and started his own band, it's like, you sound too much like Creedence. Like, bitch, I wrote all the songs. What do you want from me?

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Of course I do. You want me to make a reggae album? I mean, yeah.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, so Creedence Clearwater Revival's money financed One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  That's amazing. I did not know the CCR connection. I knew that he produced it. So I remember watching One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, I was like, why the hell is Michael Douglas's name on this? And he's not even in it. And then I was like, oh yeah, he wasn't even really an actor at that point.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  He was trying to act, and what was going on was that his father had acquired the rights to the book.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, from Ken Kesey.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. So Ken Kesey from the Kool-Aid Acid Test. From, you know, the whole Timothy Leary, tune-in, dropout, all that jazz.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Discovering the Grateful Dead.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, all those people. So, so he writes the book, and then they're trying to get it made, they can't get it made. And then Michael Douglas says, give me a shot at this. I think I can get, he just becomes enthralled with the project. Quits his job on Streets of San Francisco, which is a hugely popular television show. So here's this guy, he's a television actor, and at the same time, he wins an Academy Award for producing a film.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  That's so crazy.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Crazy. It's right up your alley.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's like, oh, I love anything like that. I mean, yeah. It's like Mel Brooks produced The Elephant Man. And he wanted his name taken off the credits because he didn't want people to think it was a comedy.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  He did?

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, yeah, like The Elephant Man with John Hurt and Anthony Hopkins. Yeah, he produced it because he just loved the story of, you know, John, was it John Merrick, I think was his name?

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, just loved his story and wanted to have a movie, have the movie made.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  And he's like, God, I mean, if my name's at the beginning of this, Mel Brooks Presents The Elephant Man, people are gonna think it's like, you know, making fun of him.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Right, right, right. Yeah, he can't.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he still wanted to do it and did it.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  That's cool. That's cool that he did that and then it took his name off it.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. Love that movie.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  It's a great movie.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  What movie do you think you've seen the most? If you had to guess.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, John Wick.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, okay.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Because I watch it, I watch it when I work out sometimes. It's great motivation. It's a good revenge movie, you know, it gets you hyped.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  No, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, just curious.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's not like, I don't think it's the best movie ever.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  What do you think is the best movie ever?

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Like if an alien came down and was like, I wanna see one movie to know what y'all are about.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie, but one of the movies that I've seen, a modern movie that I've seen multiple times is Ex Machina. Um, because I feel like that is, uh,

• 31:23Speaker 01

  I think that's the future. I real- I really do. I, I, I feel like a version of that is, uh, is in our future. And, uh, this is a film that came out, was Ex Machina like two thousand seventeen?

• 31:36Speaker 02

  It was early in that, like eleven.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Was it?

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Twenty eleven, twenty thirteen, maybe. Twenty fourteen.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Fourteen. Fourteen. So when that film came out, I remember very distinctly going, oh my God, like this is gonna happen. Like this is not science fiction. This is just, they're just predicting the future.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Actually says they released in twenty fifteen.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Oh, wasn't released in America first?

• 32:03Speaker 02

  Well, it's not an American film, is it? I mean, it's in English, but like.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  Twenty fourteen here and then here it says USA twenty fifteen.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  So it just, it just was released probably in Cannes or something.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, at the end of the year or something.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz in Cannes, you know, they'll release it during that film festival and technically it'll be.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  A phenomenal, phenomenal fucking movie.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  It's so good. Yeah, she's amazing.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  She's incredible. She's incredible and like you love her. You like love her and she's a robot. And, and the, like spoiler alert, the heartless way that she like leaves that guy trapped in that movie to starve to death, is trapped in that room to starve to death.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  It's just like, whoa, like has nothing. There's nothing in there. It's all fake.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Edgar Allan Poe.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Casco Montiato leaves him behind a brick wall, but yeah.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  But it's also, there's these weird, um, like the, what is his name? Oscar Isaac? He's phenomenal as well.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Who plays this super genius guy. Like there's something about like that super genius character is what we're all dealing with today. Like we, that wasn't a concern amongst the general public in two thousand fifteen. We weren't thinking about AI. We weren't thinking about the idea that someone could, could literally have super intelligence and also control the access to data that people get, be able to curate the data, all the stuff that we're seeing with Google and Facebook and AI and OpenAI and all these different companies. That was, I mean, it was like they predicted it brilliantly.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like her. That's a great one that kind of predicts, you know, how people have gone with their AI, you know, people developing relationships with their AI, like their chat GPT, you know, system or whatever. It's very weird. I mean, I guess it's kind of harmless in a sense cuz, well, you know, what's gonna happen, but like it's just not good for people.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  It's harmless for you because you're an intelligent person and you would realize that this thing is not real and it's blowing me up and blowing smoke up my ass and giving me therapy. Like, and there's some of those AIs, they'll, they'll gaslight you and they'll tell you, everything's amazing. You go, boy. You're, you're kicking ass.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  That's what I need in life. Cuz in here, it is not that case. It is not the case. I'm not a, you know, you're, you're killing it, buddy. Uh, so no, I use my chat GPT to make me feel good sometimes.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Have you pump you up?

• 34:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, just like, like, am I all right?

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Do you instruct it, like what kind of language you like it to use?

• 34:32Speaker 02

  No, I think it's just figured me out. Just, you know, talk like, you know, talk in short words and sentences and, you know, made me feel all right.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  So you're gonna be okay, Cody. Everything's fine. People love you. Got a lot of followers.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I don't really care about that bullshit, but, um, you know, it's, it's nice to, you know, it's nice to feel good.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  It is nice to feel good, but they're also convince you that you should commit suicide. That's happened before too.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't think I could be convinced. If I was gonna do it, it'd be on my own accord. Um, but I'm way too scared for that kind of business.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Well, you are a guy who's like, uh, like I, I asked you, I go, oh, you got an Android phone and you go, yeah, I'm not a sheep.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Amen. Yep. Never will, always have had an Android. I mean, that's also just out of, kind of out of laziness cuz I just don't wanna learn something new.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Apple's pretty easy to learn. Um, the, the thing is though, it is, it's like the Windows, Apple, uh, operating system comparison, or even, you know, Unix and Linux if you're into that. But it's that you are very limited by the hardware. The hardware choices are only this one company. Whereas with Android, you can get all kinds of crazy shit. I mean, you could buy unlocked phones from China and use them over here.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. I just, um, I also just kind of don't care. I don't care about Android or Apple. I don't care what someone has. I mean, I've found that mostly the people who do give a shit are people, it's always people who have iPhones. They're the ones who look down like, you know.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Oh, a hundred percent.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Like, oh, you have an Android. It's like, you know.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Like I also don't care. Like I would be just fine. If I didn't use this as like an easy way to read shit, I'd go back to having a damn, you know, a razor, you know, or like some flip phone.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Flip phone would be great if it was better at texting cuz I do like texting friends and it's like texting addresses and information and stuff like that, I think is important.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  What was that Paris Hilton phone? The sidekick?

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, the Paris Hilton phone.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  She was in the commercial, I think. Yeah, see, that's what I want.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Brick. Those things were huge. Those things are so big.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I want.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Well, they do have phones that open sideways that are little flip phones and they have a little tiny keyboard and you can text on them. They do make those still.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  I wouldn't mind something like that.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not a bad idea. If you just like, uh, I know a few comics like David Tell, he, he has a flip phone. Cuz if, cuz they just don't want to be connected to that toxic fucking hive of human thinking.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I get sucked into, um, just doom scrolling as the kids say, you know, all the time.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, we all do.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  And then I, uh, hate that I do it.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  You know, the thing that keeps me from doing it is if I don't bring it into the toilet. If I keep the phone outside of the bathroom.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  That's, that book will take care of that business for you.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  That's way better.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Wrote it based on the length of the average dump.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Did you? Really?

• 37:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Calculated it?

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Well, just a brief, you know, roughly.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  If you read the whole book and it takes you to dump, you need to go to a doctor.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, no. I mean, like, uh, well, yeah, yeah. Well, some people just like their alone time.

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• 39:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, like if you, you know, each little section for the average reading, uh, speed is equal to like the average dump, uh, length. So you just read that, take a dump and you learn something and forget, you know, forget it immediately.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  No, that's smart. Um, how did, I mean, I must have asked you this when you first came on, but I don't remember the answer. How did you start doing this?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Uh, had a podcast, just me blabbering about nothing. And, uh, at the end, I would like end it with like, uh, just a fun story from like the past, you know? Um, called like Half-Assed History and I would just end it that way. And then started clipping it cuz one of my friends was like, you should just clip that little bit and do like a separate thing. And, uh, started doing that and then just slowly over time, thanks to, uh, people like yourself, it started to kind of take off cuz you, you know, helped out with that quite a bit. And a lot of it, Brian Simpson actually helped out a lot, like just sharing. He's one of the coolest human beings on the planet.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Death.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  And, uh, you know, Greg Fitzsimmons is also amazing guy. Like, you know, I just luckily had people see it that helped, you know? Cuz otherwise I was just doing it for nobody, which was fine. Like I like, I just like making stuff and learning stuff and teaching stuff, so.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  What has it been like to watch it get so popular? Has it been weird?

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't really, I think mostly cuz I live in a pretty small town, so I don't like, and I don't go out ever really. So like, I don't notice it, like I'm not getting recognized, you know, and all that kind of business.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  And I guess I have a few times and it's very weird. Um, but I just don't really think about it. Like sometimes I'll see like a, cuz I don't read comments usually, but I'll see somebody follow me and I'm like, holy hell. Like that person knows who I am. Like that's weird. Like Johnny Knoxville the other day, I was like, oh my God, Johnny Knoxville. Like that's, you know, like that's my Michael Jordan.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  Like whenever I saw this, like hard, like you'd be lying if you said like that that didn't make you feel.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  He's cool as fuck.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I just, uh, so little things like that will happen where I'm like, oh, this is cool. But otherwise, I'm just kinda like living my life, watching Real Housewives and working on videos, yeah.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  But you really watch Real Housewives?

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Oh, every day, almost.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  I mean, right now, I'm in the throngs of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which I would highly recommend. Cause there's a lot of Mormon business going on there.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. The Mormon business is fascinating.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  What a weird little group of people. Yeah, so you get that mixed with, um, you know, drink throwing and all that kinda business.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Apparently, there's a lot of, uh, and this is not slight on the Mormon religion, don't get me wrong. But, um, I think this is true amongst Catholics as well. But there's a lot, well, probably many religions, there's a lot of undercover homosexuality.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  You don't, yeah, I'm sure.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  So a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, uh, is dating a lady who was in the church from the time she was a young girl. Got married and she was nineteen, and when she was like thirty-five, thirty-six, realized her husband was gay.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  And, uh.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  There's a situation.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Four kids later, now they're divorced. And the stories, she tells the stories, she's just like, oh my gosh. Apparently, it's just rampant.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a, there's actually a little bit of a situation like that on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Is there?

• 42:49Speaker 02

  Kind of, I mean, I guess I shouldn't say the guy's gay, but, um, the rumors are, uh, you know, that he is. His husband's, and, you know, he's a hairdresser, which immediately makes you think.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Does he also like musicals?

• 43:01Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, they go hand in hand in my book, but, um.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Big fan of Cher?

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Donna Summer, yeah.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  I'm a big fan of Donna Summer.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Well, all right, well, you're hitting there then. Yeah, big Rocky Horror Picture Show fella.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I just, uh, no, you know, and it kinda seems like he might be, I don't know. I mean, you know, you never really know, but, um, but I'm sure that is a prevalent thing. I mean, obviously, repressed homosexuality and religion is just pretty rampant, I think, across the board.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Just like Baptists, I mean, I grew up around all Baptists, you know, here, like in East Texas.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  I knew plenty of kids in school that were, you know, you know, queer as a three dollar bill. And they weren't, um, yeah, they weren't out, out and proud. Um, some of them are now.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  It's one of the saddest failings of organized religion is the, uh, the complete absence of embracing gay people.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause you can embrace someone and not embrace, you know, I mean, I guess there is that whole thing of like, well, I embrace you, I don't embrace the lifestyle. Which feels like a real sly.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  But also, like, why not? Here's the thing, it's like, it's, the, the, the evidence in the Bible, it's all Old Testament stuff, right?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Leviticus and, you know, all that business.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  But you gotta look at what else is in Old Testament stuff. First of all, the open condoning of slavery. Not just open condoning of slavery, but rules of like, who gets the slaves after people die? How you, how you treat the slaves? It's like, there's a bunch of morally abhorrent things that are in there. So why is a man shall not layeth with another man? Like, what?

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Well, and there's also like, I mean, it's, you know, not planting crops together, not, um, wearing, you know.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Two different types of cloth.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Cloth.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Shellfish.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  You don't see protests outside of Red Lobster.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  No, I mean, you should, but you don't.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  I mean, I just think it's very bizarre, uh.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  It's bizarre and stupid.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  It's never been my cup of tea, just religion in general. I mean, I'm not against people, you know, I think whatever you wanna have that makes you feel good. And as long as you're not being, you know, an asshole to everybody.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Yes, that's the problem.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  I feel like people should be, have their own thing, you know? Um, I would like to bring back like Greek mythology would be cool. I'd go to a temple, you know, and worship Zeus and go, you know, all them people. Yeah, like I, I enjoy that way more. I mean, I've read the Bible a couple of times and it's nice, but I'm not, like, I just don't, you know, buy into any of it. Not, not just Christian, not just trying to attack them, but like anybody, really.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  I think they're trying to tell a story. I think that it, I think it all, I think there's a lot of human influence and there's a lot of stuff in it that people obviously wrote. Like the stuff about slavery, um, the, the treating women like second-class citizens. There's, there's a lot of stuff in it that seems clearly the work of man. But I think the origin of it all is some kind of a documentation of historical events that were incredibly strange. And that they're trying, and you're getting these, like, you're getting, a lot of the Gospels were written long after Jesus was dead. And they didn't even know Jesus, they had never met him. And so they're attributing words to him, they're saying, so there's that.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  And then there's also, like, and if you get into the Old Testament, like, the, the weird stuff, like, the ages of people. Like Moses was like, or, or, uh, Noah, Noah was like six hundred years old when he built up.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Methuselah, who's like, I think the oldest person in the Bible, I believe is Methuselah. I mean, yeah, there's Abraham, Abraham was like, you know, hundreds of years old, I believe.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Weird shit. And then the flood story and how the flood story's in so many different ancient religious stories.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  It's the Epic of Gilgamesh.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  It's a damn flood. It's the oldest story there is.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  So.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just, um, you know, people like now wanna have an answer to something. Like, I'm terrified of death. That's, that's the thing I'm most terrified in the world.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Really?

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're not afraid of dying? Oh, dying's terrifying. What if, what if something bad happens?

• 47:09Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't wanna die. Go to heck.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Well, what if you end up in heck? That'd be horrible.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Heck is hilarious. You clearly live in the South, sir.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, yeah.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  It is, uh, I mean, it doesn't sound like fun.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  And it's, it's gonna suck that your family's gonna miss you. That would bother me the most. But it's inevitable. Everyone's, you know, everyone's afraid to die, no one's afraid to sleep. But you know, shut up every, every night, you shut off.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I wake up.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  But do you? Are you in the same timeline? Are you in the same timeline? Do you know if it's even the same life that you're living?

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  I don't know if that's true.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, because the point I made yesterday is happening right now.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Right, but that's according to your memory.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Oh, jeez. Well, not according to my memory, I, I don't, yeah, I came here.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  When you are out, you're gone. When you wake up, you have a pre-existing selection of ideas and memories and all sorts of different things that you just assume you've always been on the same path. But it's not necessarily true. Like, if you believe in the multi, well, there's no evidence. But if you believe in the, there's also, what evidence do you have currently that subatomic particles exist? You know, there's a lot of weirdness to the world, the quantum world. Quantum connections and the multi-worlds theory. If, if you do, like Philip K. Dick believed, he had a very strange idea about reality. I think Philip K. Dick believed that we are in a computer simulation.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  And he believed this in the nineteen sixties. And he had this very strange idea that decisions you make, conscious decisions, alter the past.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  I don't, you know, I don't know what kinda drugs he was on when he was writing all that stuff, but.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, are you a, you a big dick fan?

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Um, not a huge dick fan.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  I'm a medium dick fan. No, I mean, uh.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Sizable, yeah.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think he wrote some amazing stuff, but he was, you know, one of those like very important odd thinkers that, uh, have, uh, sort of, uh, flavored our culture.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Where you, you get to read these very unusual takes on reality, like.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  Daniel George's Dream of Electric Sheep.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Hunter Thompson.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people like that, that have just written wild things that just make you just rethink the, the world that we're living in.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a big Hunter Thompson fan, yeah, just all that. Yeah, like sci-fi's never really interested me as much as I know it interests a lot of people. And I'm not a big Star Wars fan or Star Trek, but I do love, you know, some things like Blade Runner and stuff like that. I'm just only thinking about the future.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  You don't like thinking about it?

• 49:52Speaker 02

  I hate the future, no.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  How come?

• 49:55Speaker 02

  I don't know, cause it hasn't happened.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know what to expect. Like, I don't like change at all. I hate change.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Real, just personally?

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah, any kind of change. Don't like it. I like things to stay the exact same. I eat the same thing for breakfast, wear the same clothes every day.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Really?

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a creature of comfort.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Like, uh, like if I was a turtle in a terrarium, I'd be happy as could be. Like, if somebody just fed me.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  You're a house cat?

• 50:24Speaker 02

  I'm a house cat.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Oh, without a doubt. That's what Edward Snowden calls himself a house cat?

• 50:29Speaker 02

  Oh, me, yeah, me and Eddie are like one and the same.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  I mean, when I asked him about his life in Russia, I said, you know, what is it like? Like, do you feel isolated? He goes, I'm basically a house cat. I just need a computer and internet connection and I'm happy.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  He's not missing anything going outside there, Jesus. Yeah. No, thanks.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  They might kidnap him and send him to the front lines. Like, if you go out there, if you're of age.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  Would not like, yeah, no, thank you. No, I'm just, uh, I'm a big indoor cat and I like, uh, I like my routine. Every day, same routine. Um, yeah, I just don't like change.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  So the thought of the future?

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Oh, the future is too much change. Oh, no, and the flying car, you know, like, I don't like, uh, too many LED lights. Yeah, I don't like that.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  When the hot robot assistants get created, are you gonna get one?

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Well, I'm not necessarily against that, but I mean, Jesus. You know, I could be swayed a little, but, uh...

• 51:20Speaker 01

  But that's ex machina. That's, that's, that's what it is. That's what we're, that's what we're dealing with.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  I just like the past. I love the past more.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Why is that?

• 51:30Speaker 02

  I mean, one, it's real. The, as far as I'm concerned, the future isn't real, because it hasn't happened.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Right. It's just speculation.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  It's speculation. And I love seeing where we were and how we got to where we are now. So, like, and also just like what people were doing 2,000 years ago, you think, like, how the hell did they come up with that 2,000 years ago? Or the people who, you know, like Marcus Aurelius or somebody who, the way they thought, like, how it is the, it's perfectly maps up to now, where like, that same sort of Stoicism, you know, I think, uh, can do wonders for people today. And he was thinking that shit 2,000 years ago.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Oh, unquestionably.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  I think all that kind of stuff, and even like, not that far back, but like the Victorian period, I think's fascinating. I think, like, when you travel around the US, knowing like, well, what, what did this city, or this place I'm standing at right now, what did it look like 150 years ago? Like, what did it smell like? It probably didn't smell the way it smells.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  And, yeah, I don't know. I like thinking about stuff like that.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Well, it's absolutely fascinating, because, I mean, just think about the timeline, the, the known timeline of human history. Have you been to Rome? Have you ever seen, like, the Colosseum or any of those places?

• 52:45Speaker 02

  No, I've never been out of the US. Don't need to do that.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  You don't need to?

• 52:48Speaker 02

  No, I don't know. I can just look at it in a book. Or watch a documentary.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Uh, I agree to a certain extent, well, for, no, I don't. So, I think watching it is certainly fascinating. I love documentaries. But there's something about being there. Like, I went to Greece a few years ago, and, uh, I was with, uh, my friend Brian Murorescu. Do you know who he is?

• 53:10Speaker 02

  Uh-uh.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  He wrote a, he's a scholar, and he wrote a great book called The Immortality Key, that is all about the Eleusinian mysteries in, uh, in ancient Greece, which I believe Marcus Aurelio participated in.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  And, uh, when Marcus Aurelius, uh, participated in that, I'm most certain that that flavored some of his writings, particularly Meditations. Because there's a lot of the stuff in there that seems very psychedelically inspired. Like, the wisdom of this guy, uh, okay, this guy is running Rome. You know, what is one of the most fucking powerful armies the world has ever known, conquering everything. And this guy is essentially like a psychedelic bard.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  It's very strange. Like, it's a very, like, his writings on forgiveness and, uh, and, and, and truth and, and recognizing your thoughts and just, he was, and you're thinking about like, oh my God, this is thousands of years ago this guy wrote this. This is insane.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  And, uh, a lot of that, I think, probably came out of those Eleusinian mysteries. But I went with Brian, uh, because I was there with my family, and Brian happened to be in Greece at the same time and met us there. He gave us a tour of Eleusis. So you get to, we were in the actual place where these people had these Eleusinian mysteries, and it feels weird.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  That's pretty cool.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  And you don't know if it feels weird because you've, you're ascribing all these feelings, because in your mind, you're like, oh my God, I'm here, so you're in this heightened state of suggestibility or whatever.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  I'm sure. I'm sure that's a big part of it, yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  But it felt weird. There's something about being there physically. I haven't been to the pyramids. That's one thing that I must do. That is like on my, the top of my to-do list, is I, I really have to get there. So I went to the Mayan pyramids. I went to, uh, Chichen Itza.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Oh, Chichen Itza, okay, okay, gotcha, yeah.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  And the Yucatan, it's fucking incredible. It's, it's so bizarre.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  Yes, that would be, I'd go there. That's about as far as I'd go, I think. Yeah.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  It's a little sketchy now.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, actually, coming down to Austin's about pushing it for me, really. Yeah, and I'm only about, it's about a four-hour drive.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Too much.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Too crazy.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Too many things happening along the way.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  Too much change.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  Too much change. Well, Austin is drastically different from, damn, Longview, Texas. Um, I mean, some things are similar, but no, I like a slow-moving place, you know? I just like, uh, like, I'm a slow-moving animal in general. I'm talking slow, everything, so.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Well, whatever you like, man. That's the beautiful thing about freedom. Find your lane. Find what you're into. You know, for you, it's reading a lot of shit and making cool videos.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  And Real Housewives.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  And Real Housewives.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  I can't watch those shows.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Why?

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Because I just, I, I just don't want to be around those people, and so when I hear them yapping and trying to get all this attention, I'm like, I gotta get out of the room.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  That's the best thing.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  It gives me...

• 56:08Speaker 02

  You aren't in the room. Like, you just get to watch it from your room, like...

• 56:13Speaker 01

  I don't know, maybe I'm an empath. I get, I get secondhand anxiety from these people's lives.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Do you like watching confrontations, like, in public? Not your confrontation, but like other people. Like, if somebody, two people getting like a fender bender and they get in like a little argument, do you like watching that?

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Generally, I don't. I, I mean, uh, I will watch them if it's happening right in front of me, but I really wish it didn't happen. I'm, uh, very averse to, believe it or not, very averse to public violence. And I think...

• 56:41Speaker 02

  Okay, I get that, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, well, I'm not into violence. I don't want to see somebody get knocked out. I've seen enough videos, people have their heads bounce off concrete. Never want to see that ever in my life.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  I've seen it a lot.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. But I would love watching two people just yell at each other.

• 56:56Speaker 01

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• 58:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  And, uh, I'm just not a fan of human stupidity, and especially that kind of stupidity. I think it's really fucking dangerous. I think people engage in it freely, as if there's no consequences over things that mean nothing in the long run of your life. But that move, that moment of engaging could change your life forever. You could either get killed, or kill someone, or get irreparably injured or harmed. I mean, I know people that have been, uh, beat up and it's completely changed their personality forever.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  I know a guy that's a vegetable because of it. Um, like, I mean, he's about, maybe he's older than me, but, uh, yeah, his mom has to take care of him, like, he's in a wheelchair. Yeah, because he got in a fight, got in a fight and head hit the curb, and that's it.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  And there's so many people that that happens to and you never hear about them, because they're still alive. They're still alive, you know? So the person doesn't get charged with murder, but meanwhile, you have taken away that guy's life.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, without a doubt.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the equivalent, I think. I mean, technically it isn't, but...

• 59:02Speaker 01

  It's kind of odd that I don't enjoy violence, because I've seen so much violence. I've probably seen more people get their ass kicked than...

• 59:13Speaker 01

  Probably, there's probably very few people who have ever lived on planet Earth that have seen more people get their ass kicked than me.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Oh, I think that's, yeah, without question.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Like, who, who else could it be? I mean?

• 59:27Speaker 01

  I've seen, I mean, I've just been there live for thousands of fights. I've professionally called thousands of fights on TV.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  Are there any people who have called more fights?

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  Like in other, like, I don't even mean here, like, in Japan, or like, like, cause that's the only thing I can think of, yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  It's not likely. I've been doing it since nineteen ninety-seven. So that's when I first started working for the UFC, was in nineteen ninety-seven.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  I was four years old.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, that was my first, so, that was the first time I started working for the UFC. And then continually since two thousand and one, so twenty-five years of calling fights. And at one point in time, I was doing like twenty-plus events a year. So I was on the road like every other week.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Doing UFC fights.

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Good god.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  So I don't think there's very many people that, and then on top of that, all the fights that I watch, not live. So a big part of, uh, what I do, uh, you know, like, I take the commentary job very seriously. And even if I didn't, I'm just a giant fan of, of combat sports. I don't, I mean, you think it's like, cause I like violence. What I really like is high-level problem solving, and that's what it is. It's like very intense, very, I call it high-level problem solving with dire physical consequences. Like, it's just like an insane game that these guys are playing. And there's incredible amount of technique involved, strategy, determination and willpower to get yourself into shape.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  Uh, intelligence in order to formulate the correct sort of style and game plan to be successful as a fighter. And so I watch a lot of fights. I watch a lot of like jiu-jitsu matches, I watch a lot of kickboxing fights, I wa- I watch a lot of fights. So it's just tur- in terms of like, how many people have watched more people get their fucking ass kicked? Probably, I'm at the top one percent of people that have ever lived.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  I got a number for you.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  What's the number?

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  As of twenty twenty-four, it was thirty-two fifty.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Thirty-two fifty what?

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  Fights.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  That I've called?

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  That's just that I've called? So three thousand two hundred and fifty fights that I've called, just professionally. And then, watching it, I probably watched that again, at least. At least. So it's probably, I probably watched-

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Seven thousand-ish.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, easily.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Easily, maybe more. Because sometimes I'll watch two, three in a day, every day. I watch them in the gym all the time, I'm, I'm always watching.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  So it could be up to ten, ten thousand.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I don't like violence, believe it or not.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  No, that, I mean, what, I can understand that though, cause like, you know, it's not that you're more one, loving seeing a guy get the shit beat out of him. It's loving seeing, how does this guy handle the situation? How's this guy, you know, change his outcome? Like, it's looking like it's gonna go one way, what's he gonna do to reverse it? Am I, like, kinda-

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  I love watching people achieve greatness.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  And I think greatness with the, the, the highest level of physical consequences in terms of like, safety. Obviously, war is number one.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Get past, and then there's, you know, first responders, police officers, SWAT teams, that kinda stuff. But outside of that, in a controlled environment where people are preparing for a very specific contest. I just find that to be the, the most thrilling and exciting thing in all of sports. And so, that's my perspective on it. But I don't like people getting violent on the street. It bothers the shit out of me. I hate it.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, the risk reward too is different. I mean, the risk in the, in an octagon or in a ring is drastically different when you have a medical team. I mean, not that things can't happen, but-

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Versus a parking lot.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  And then what's to stop some other guy to come up and just boot this person right in the face?

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  And you see it all the time.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Right, you don't see that in the UFC, I mean, so you're seeing controlled chaos, in a sense, or it's not even really chaos. But like, you're seeing a controlled, like, we're both agreeing to do this, we're both at the right weight, like, blah, blah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  Like, it's, it's different, like, whenever I watch, you know, whenever I watch a fight. Like, I, I don't think of it in nearly the same way. Cause I feel sick to my stomach whenever I watch people getting fights in real life, like, like, real-

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  I don't feel like that watching UFC, I feel like I'm watching two athletes.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Competing.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  They hug each other after the fight.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Like, I feel the same way whenever I watch a football game, cause I'm a big football fan, like, that's my, you know, number one. And I hate seeing people get concussed. Hate it, hate, there you go. Yeah, like, I'm a-

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I hate it too.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't wanna see somebody get helmet to helmet, this person can't even walk, like, you know, doesn't know where they are. But I love seeing a big hit at the right time where, you know, you're making this amazing defensive play. Cause you are two athletes who have agreed, you know, to-

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  And you're at the height of your, you know?

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  I love watching people do things that are insanely difficult to do. That's what I love. Have you seen that, there's this guy who's a Russian gymnast who figured out some new way to do an iron cross? He does an iron cross inverted.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  The hell's an iron cross?

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  An iron cross is one of the most difficult moves in gymnastics, where they're on the rings. And they hold their body up like that with their arms out, it takes like insane strength.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, Vince Vaughn in Old School, and he's smoking the cigarette doing it.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  Have you never seen Old School? With, uh, Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell?

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Does he do that?

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  That's probably CGI, right? It's fake.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Well, no, I'm not saying he's really doing it, but in the movie, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  So this Russian guy has figured out a way to do it upside down. So he's literally, uh, doing a handstand, and he stretches out, watch this.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  This is it, okay.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  Watch this cat. This is crazy.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  The amount of strength that it takes to do that is fucking preposterous. He's the first guy to ever do it.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  If I started today, how, how long do you think it would take for me to be able to do that?

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  It would take you fifty or sixty years.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Oh, I got time, dude.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Well, you would have to lose an insane amount of weight, you'd have to get on steroids. There'd be a lot of things that would have to happen to change your physique, you'd have to-

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  Done, done.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to change your, you gotta get coaches, you gotta go to Russia.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  That would be, that's actually the hard, biggest problem. The weight loss and the steroids, I could start right now.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  I don't know if this cat figured it out on his own, if it was something he was thinking, can this be done? But I'm, I'm fascinated by people that are like the first person to figure out that a move can be done.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, or just the, the people who can do anything for the first time. Like, what was his name? Bannister, Roger Bannister, that ran the mile for the first time, four minutes?

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Had never been done, all this time. But then what's crazy is that, like, the next year, there was like six people that ran it.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  So it's weird how like, like, I wonder how many people are gonna be doing this a week from now?

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  Like, probably a couple at least.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, a hundred percent.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  There's something about knowing that something's achievable that makes it infinitely easier.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  Like weird, weirdly. Or like X Games, I grew up watching the X Games a lot, and you would see a move be done, like a nine hundred, you know, Tony Hawk doing a nine hundred. Now, there's like six-year-olds doing nine hundreds. Oh, there we go.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  It's a nine-year-old, but-

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, but still, yeah.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  The same thought process.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  I mean, when I was like a, when I was a little kid-

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  Look at that kid.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Doing back-to-back.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  Bro, imagine if that's your kid doing that, you'd be like, don't get hurt, Billy.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Dude, when I was like a little, when did Tony Hawk do nine, was it ninety-nine, I think, ninety-nine X Games? I remember watching, and, and, and it was like, it was like you saw Jesus walk on water.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Three back-to-back.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  And now there's a nine-year-old Japanese-

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Nine-year-old Japanese boy does back-to-back nine hundreds, wow. That's cra- first, his first nine hundred at age seven.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  I mean, isn't, but isn't that wild? Like, this, ninety-nine, nine's not that long ago. I mean, it is a while, but-

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Not that long ago in human history.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Level of change in that amount of years, where it's, it's like an easy thing.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  That is crazy.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  That, that literally is crazy. Boy, that is a rough fucking sport. Those guys get some fucking concussions.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tony Hawk, did you watch his documentary?

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Oh, you should really watch that. The, um, Until the Wheels Fall Off, I think is what it was called, it is incredible. Tony Hawk's amazing.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  I had him on the podcast back in the day.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  He was great. Really interesting guy.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  It starts with him trying to land a nine hundred now, like, you know, as he's gotten quite a bit older. And the, just the amount of, just the shit he's eating, constantly, and can't get it, cause he's, you know, older and it's harder to do it. But you still see like, he's not doing it for anybody, he's not in a competition. He's like in his personal, you know, halfpipe.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  And just, but you see it in his eyes, like, like, those sk- like, skaters have no quit in them.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  And, um-

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  Well, you can't.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's something amazing about that.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  Like, I'm a big quitter.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  I love quitting. I don't know if I love anything more than I love quitting.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  It's great. Like when something's difficult, I'm just like, oh, I could just stop. And do something better.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  But those guys don't have that.

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  You and I would be like a funny odd couple show.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. What was it? Oscar and whatever it was?

• 1:08:48Speaker 01

  Felix and Oscar.

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Felix and Oscar. Yeah, yeah. Oh, we, we probably are the most opposite people. I might be the most opposite person you may have ever had on you.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  Uh, in many ways, but in a lot of ways, we, we're similar. We're interested in history. We're interested in unique facts.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Obviously, that's why I'm a giant fan of your page.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  Thank you. Yeah, there's a Venn diagram, you know?

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  But ours is like, you know, barely touching.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Like, there's, yeah. Well, I'm always interested in like, what turns people down certain paths? Like, what makes them go one way or another?

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  You know? I mean, I think anyone could go down any path. It, it, it could have happened. I think it happens oftentimes very young. And then you start building momentum and towards very specific areas.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  That's a big thing I have with, uh, like anything in pop culture, it's like movies, music, and like remembering dates and like, you know, when did this movie come out? When this album came out? It's cause like my dad would, um, you know, like tr- trivia, like give me tests, like to, to like try to impress my uncles. Like he was like, Cody, who sings blah, blah, blah? I had like five years old and I would just name them.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  But I would like, I love the, um, the rush from like knowing something.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  That it'd impress people. Cause otherwise, I mean, I wasn't impressing people, you know, in any other way. So it's like, I gotta do something. Cause my brother was like amazingly good at baseball. I don't have that. So it's like, well, what's my thing? And it just became. Facts. Yeah. Know in random stuff. And I like the feeling of like, when you tell somebody something weird that they never knew. And you kind of see them like, get like, they're like, oh my God, I never knew that. So, oh, I like that feeling.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  A very impressive quality. Like, I love talking to people and they, they can tell me things that I had no idea of, like, what?

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  Really? Like Brian Simpson's great at that.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Brian Simpson is a, a warehouse of interesting information. Like he, he and I, like, anytime we find something like really fascinating online, we send it to each other. And he's just doing that all day long.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. See, that's my kind of thing. Like, I just, I wanna know everything. It's one of the reasons why I want, I don't wanna ever die. It's one of the things I'm scared about death is that like, yeah, but what about all the stuff I'm not gonna know? Which I know it's foolish, like there's no way I could ever learn 1% of everything.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  If technology came along that could extend your lifespan literally indefinitely.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  Sign me up.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  You'd be in?

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  Yes. I don't know why people say like, oh, if I make it to 90, kill me. You're a pussy. Like, I, I mean, what are you talking about? I wanna live for, yes, the, what's that movie with Johnny Depp? Transcendence, I believe? Where they put him in the thing and it goes very wrong. I don't care. Um, I ignore all those movies. I would go to Jurassic Park, um, even knowing what happened to all those people. All those innocent people.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Well, they're probably gonna do that eventually. Right now, they don't have dinosaur DNA. But I don't think that's going to be able to stop them from creating a dinosaur. I think what they're gonna be able to do is use bird DNA and eventually engineer a dinosaur by giving each new iteration very specific traits. Like, that's kind of what they're doing at Colossal Bioworks.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Where they're, uh, bringing back the, uh, the thylacine and they're, they're bringing, I mean, they brought, already brought back the dire wolf.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. So that's who did the dire wolf thing. Oh, right, right, right.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  I went to that. I went to the place where they have them. I saw the dire wolves. My daughter was playing with a four year, I guess, four month old, six month old? I think it was like four month old puppy, dire wolf puppy. And it's like a puppy. Like it gives you kisses, it sits in your lap, it's wagging its tail, cuddles with you. But they get to a certain age where you can't do that with them anymore.

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  For sure. You weren't worried it was gonna like disintegrate or like, you know, turn, something like the thing? I don't.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  It opens up my mouth.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  You like had this.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Chops your arm off?

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, no. Cause I, I spoke with them before and explained what they're doing. It's mostly, they're taking these genes from this, uh, like they got samples from like a 7,000 year old corpse of a dire wolf. They sequenced the genome and they started altering gray wolf genes and.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Next thing you know, they have this thing that is, people say it's not a dire wolf. It's not technically a dire wolf, but that's by our definition. Like what is a dire wolf other than a collection of genes that has the traits of a dire wolf? Well, I don't know. You could, you can decide all you want what it is, but what it is, is very different than any other wolf that's ever lived. While, you know, since dire wolves have died.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  So why isn't it a dire? Why do they think it isn't?

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  It's their, they're splitting hairs.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Um, I had the head geneticist from, uh, what was her name? Beth Cohen? Was that her name? From Colossal Bioworks? Fascinating woman.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  Like brilliant. And she was, Beth Shapiro. Um, and she was explaining, um, how they do it and what the, what the, what the argument is that it's not a dire wolf. And I, I'm, I'm in her camp. Essentially, we've decided like what, like all these different animals, whether it's, uh, chimpanzees, cockatoos, whatever, we've decided that this is what it is.

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  But what it really is, is just a collection of genes, right? They give very specific traits and those traits are passed on by its offspring. And they've managed to engineer an animal that has all of the characteristics of a dire wolf. And they look very different. They're all white and they have a mane. Which is really weird. They have like this thick, almost like a lion's mane around, kind of like my golden retriever does. Marshall has his bit of a mane. It's very, very elegant when he runs and flows and the. Um, but they, they look different. They have, they're stouter. They're, they're a thicker, stronger wolf.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Really wild.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  It's interesting, like.

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• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  At what point does something become a new species then? Like, like what's the difference between a mutation? So like this one dog has, you know, or whatever, this one bird has a red beak, but normally they're yellow versus, oh, well, all the ones with red beaks are new species. I've never really understood that, like.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  It's a good question.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's humans decide, you know, which is where, I mean, we have a very specific, um, way of categorizing different species. And it's like, these biologists make these decisions and these distinctions, but ultimately nature doesn't give a fuck what you say.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  You know, it, it has many of these different weird variables and it's up to people to try to figure out, like, okay, well, does this, is this logical that this is a new species? Or is this, look at humans. Like, look at the differences in humans.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Like, look at, like, um, Shaquille O'Neal and, um, you know, Caitlyn Jenner. Like, that's the same species, right? Look at, look at, it's very weird. Well, humans are fucking strange, you know? You have Bobby Lee and then you have, uh, Hulk Hogan. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, they're very different, but we're all the same thing. Like, if we were something else in the wild, we would assume that these are multiple different species.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. It's like the, you know, kind of the Neanderthal versus a Homo sapien, like.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Look at that guy. Yeah, little tiny lady.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  Oh. Well, I shouldn't.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  World's tallest person and the world's shortest woman. Like, that's crazy.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  Which would you rather be?

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  I guess the tall guy, but he's probably in massive pain.

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  He didn't look.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  He's got a cane. Yeah, when generally when they're that big, they have a tumor on their pituitary gland.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Was it?

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  He's eight foot three.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  Geez.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's probably in agony all the time. Um, and I don't even know if that's if you could mitigate that with like weight training or something, if you could get strong enough so that you can carry that amount of weight and frame. Cause you're dealing with, I don't think human joints are designed to carry around that kind of mass and just that height.

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  And also, if you have a tumor in your pituitary gland, things are probably growing the wrong way. Cause what it's essentially is like secreting abnormal amounts of human growth hormone constantly.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  Which is why they get like the, yeah, the protruding, like Andre the Giant.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get your, like a Long Easter Island head.

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  There was a guy that used to fight in MMA named Bigfoot Silva.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  And he had that. And he actually had the tumor removed from his pituitary gland and it radically changed his fighting ability.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Oh, that's in, in a better way or a worse way?

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Much worse. His body wasn't producing the, his endocrine system wasn't functioning properly anymore.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, cause you're not gonna shrink.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  Right, so his hormone levels were all hugely depleted. And this is at the time where they had banned testosterone replacement therapy for mixed martial arts athletes. So he couldn't be on it anymore, but when he was on it, oh my God.

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  When he was on the sauce and he was like three hundred pounds and huge, he was killing people.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that would suck.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was like one of the first guys to beat up Fedor Emelianenko.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  Who's one of the greatest of all time. But it was just, he was so big. He was like three hundred plus pounds in a black belt in jujitsu and a like legitimate giant.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  God. Robert Wadlow didn't have that. You know, I'm talking about the guy that was eight foot eleven?

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  He didn't have that?

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  No, he didn't, no.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  Was he just abnormally tall?

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  Eight foot eleven.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  What is, uh, he looked like?

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  Oh, you should see the pictures.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  A cane or anything like that, or did he walk normally?

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  He died pretty young, but not even related to the, um, to just being that tall. He died from, um, I think he might've had a cane later at some point, yeah, okay. But he, I believe, unless I'm mistaken, he died because his shoes had to be specially made and the nails in the soles, uh, gave him an infection. And he died from the infection, I think.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Look at him next to that, I mean, isn't that wild?

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  But I mean, it's like, well, how did that exist in, what, nineteen twenty to nineteen thirty? And we've never had anyone like that now.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  Right, and he doesn't look like a guy who has a disease. He looks like a normal guy, it was just enormous.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  I mean, so, like, yeah, he at birth, eight pound, five ounces, isn't that wild?

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  His great size and continued growth in adulthood due to hypertrophy of the pituitary gland. So he did have a pituitary gland issue.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Didn't have, and that's why he was.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's basically the same, but he looks much more normal.

• 1:21:38Speaker 02

  Well, I wondered why that happens then.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Oh, at the time corrective surgery was dangerous and not guaranteed to work, so his parents decided against intervening.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  By the time he graduated, he was eight foot four.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  His burial is wild. Um, like how, oh, he had to have leg braces.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, had little feeling in his legs and feet, but he never used a wheelchair.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's something about his, um.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Look at his shoes, holy fucking shit. Size thirty seven shoes.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  Ooh, boy, that'd be rough.

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  What do you think?

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  Imagine the, you know.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  The historical depictions of giants.

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Historical depictions of giants.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  Like in?

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Like giants in the Bible, giants in, like, there's, there's Native American stories of giants. And they, they have a lot of similarities, oddly.

• 1:22:32Speaker 02

  Well, they're just tall people.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Red hair, no, red hair, six fingers, six toes, weird stuff.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, wasn't that, um, wasn't that, um, who'd the one guy beat with the damn sling?

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  David and Goliath?

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Well, didn't Goliath have six fingers, I believe, in the bone somewhere? I don't know, I remember that from Sunday school, I think. I was pretty.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  I don't remember, but I bet you're right.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  I was pretty infatuated by the six fingers aspect of it.

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  Well, what's interesting is the Native Americans had very similar stories of large, red haired, pale skinned giants with six fingers and six toes with no access to the Bible whatsoever. It was a completely different, whether it was folklore, mythology, or they're talking about a real thing. That's where it gets weird.

• 1:23:18Speaker 02

  I feel like it can't be a real thing.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Why's that?

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  Eh, cause they're, I mean, they're not around now.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  Well, that doesn't mean anything because Denisovans are not around now either, and we know those were a real thing.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, but were the giants, oh, okay, well, were the giants a separate thing from the humans or were they just like humans that?

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  A different branch of the human species, that's what I think. There's just too much, there's too many stories.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  Down or for whatever reason, didn't make.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Died off, like a lot of other, like ninety percent of all species that have ever lived are gone.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Well, that's true, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  And there's been a ton of different versions of human beings that existed. You know, like the Denisovan one is really weird, I don't know if you've.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  So they're, they're realizing these Denisovans were much larger than humans, than Homo sapiens, like a lot larger. Like much bigger head, bigger cranial capacity, bigger brain capacity, larger jaw, larger eye sockets, larger eyeballs, like really weird stuff.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  So why'd they die out then? They should've been the ones killing us.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Well, we might've been the most clever because we're the softest, you know, we're the weakest, so we were probably the most vicious. And we probably figured out tools better than they did, and we probably slaughtered them because they were dangerous.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  That makes sense, well.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  I mean, look, we figured out how to survive around lions, tigers and bears, oh my.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  My.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  We're clever.

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  Wasps, yeah, all kinds of stuff.

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  It's entirely possible that we wiped them out. You know, like that might be a part of the allegory, that may be a part of like when you read the story of David and Goliath, like what happens? Well, David kills the giant. You know, that might've been what we did, we probably hunted them.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  Get what you get.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it probably also, they probably required an insane amount of resources. It was probably incredibly difficult.

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  It's like dinosaurs.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, to feed them.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  It's like the main reason they went out wasn't because of like, you know, the asteroid didn't just kill them all, it mostly died from a lack of resources. And obviously like the oxygen levels changing and all that business, but.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, a lot of things happen, right? But that's what chickens are, chickens are basically living dinosaurs.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  But they're tiny.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  You ever see a chicken go after a mouse?

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  No, I've seen chickens go after other chickens or chickens go after worms or other little bugs. It's very dinosaur like, very velociraptor like.

• 1:25:29Speaker 01

  But the way they go after a mouse is insane. It's like the, the ferocity in which they attack a mouse. Like there's a video, we played it a million times, but there's a cat and the cat has a mouse and the cat's kind of toying with the mouse and a chicken runs over and snatches it from the cat and just rips it apart like a monster, just wah, just shaking it, fucking pecking it, tearing it apart.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  Um, um, my, uh, yeah, watch this. Look at this chicken fuck this, fuck this mouse up.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  I mean, they're, and they try to steal it from each other, they all know what it is, they want that mouse.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  And you think of chickens as being these little cute little things that peck around the grass? No, if they catch a mouse, they will fuck that mouse up.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause I mean, they'll do it to other chickens, like my grandparents had chickens and they, uh, you know, they'd kill each other sometimes.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what the pecking order is, yeah, they literally peck at each other and tear each other apart, they're ruthless little cunts.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  I mean, actually, really all animals kind of do that, uh, to an extent, like, you know, kill their young and, well, humans do too, Lindsay, but, um, allegedly, I guess, but, uh.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Allegedly, she said she did it.

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, she may have been under the, you know, she may still have been psychotic when she admitted. That's, that one's so bizarre to me.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  She might've been psychotic when she admitted that she did it?

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  No, that's what some people think, some people think that she may, I mean, there's the people who are just trying to find any excuse for why she did what she did have, you know, come to just a million different.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one is, that was not on my bingo card. I didn't think you're gonna see hundreds of women wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse during their trial in support of her having strangled her fucking children with an exercise cord, one at a time.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  I did not understand that.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  I, I still really don't, I mean, well, there is a, just a huge number of people who've just gotten so invested in true crime, like true crime YouTube channels. And that's all they watch, all day, every day, and so they have basically convinced themselves that they are detectives. Um, but they suck at it. It's like, you know, I'm like, like I've watched so much football that I do watch it and I basically think I know more than an NFL head coach. Uh, meanwhile, you know, I don't know anything.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Why would you call that play, you idiot, I wouldn't have done that. Um, I'm just sitting there, you know, eating pretzels.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  Um, but there's like all these, uh, women who have done the same thing, but with true crime and they, you know, they think they're a goddamn Clarice Starling. And, um, yeah, so, but, you know, so they think there's like, there's a cover up, a conspiracy, the, oh, the police department must be covering up things, cause the husband definitely did it, like, you know, they just go down these rabbit holes of TikTok.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  Is the Dunning Kruger effect in real time?

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, it is exactly what it is.

• 1:28:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's fascinating to see, but it is very sad when it comes to that type of thing happening.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  Right, well, it's, it's bizarre, I never thought we would see it, like during the Casey Anthony trial, nobody was in support of Casey Anthony.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Hell no, no, she could've been proven, well, she kind of was, but like full on innocence, her, you know, nobody would ever believe that she didn't kill that kid.

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  Right, which by the way, I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, cause you're not even gonna believe this is real. But, uh, Casey Anthony has chimed in on the Shane Gillis whore joke. Casey Anthony, Casey Anthony wrote a long piece on Substack about the joke that Shane Gillis said about women dressing like whores on SNL. Casey Anthony, the lady who killed her kid.

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  It makes you so angry, you just wanna strangle your loved one, you know, I mean, good lord, what a moron.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Well, not only that, I mean, this lady was, uh, if you wanted to use that term, was strangled her kid so she could go out and fucking party.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, women can dress however they want, women in the gym can dress however they want. Men who have opinions about how women dress need to all the way go fuck themselves. This toxic masculinity trend needs to end, these fragile men need to get out of the way of women in totality.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  This lady killed her kid.

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  And she feels like she can take the moral high ground and chime in about a joke on Saturday Night Live.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  So wild.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Which is really, the joke is on Shane, cause the joke is that he looks like a creep in the background of all these TikToks, watching these ladies that are wearing nothing, doing these exercises.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Well, he also didn't call them whores, he just said they dress like it.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  Completely different thing. I mean, you know, you can dress like anything, you know?

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  It's.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  My nephew was dressed like Batman, like last year. He's not, you know, he's not stopping crime.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  I don't know, I just, uh, I mean, I get, I guess a little bit of it, but like, I think people weren't understanding like the nuance or like, you know, really like thinking about all the way he's thinking. He's just come out there and said, oh, y'all are all whores for dressing like this.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  But you're not, I mean, and also you can, you can dress however you want, who cares?

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, who cares?

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  But also, when you do go to a gym, I mean, Jesus.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:30:46Speaker 02

  Like, it is kind of hard not to be like, God, what the hell are you doing?

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  It's kind of crazy. I mean, I've seen ladies at the gym that wear essentially sheer, pink, really small shorts with no underwear on, and they're doing deadlifts. And when they're bending over, they're sticking their vagina with the thinnest of cloth out into the air.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I knew one of them was pregnant before she did.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  I think, I'd say you're about six weeks.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  And by the way, I have no problem with women dressing like that. Have fun, God bless you. If you have a great body, especially, show it off to the world, who cares?

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  And don't be afraid to admit that that's what you're doing, cause that's what guys do, you know? There's no reason to wear a sleeveless shirt versus a sleeve shirt in the gym. You're wearing a sleeve shirt, cause you want people to see your arms.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  Show the guns.

• 1:31:32Speaker 02

  Show the guns. There's nothing wrong with that. And if a woman wants to wear like skin tight stuff to, you know, show off, who cares?

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Who cares? I don't care. But it's like, I guess the word whore is what gets them.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  I get it. I get, you get upset. But it's also because like, real misogyny actually exists. Like, real women who hate, or real men, rather, who hate women, do exist. And so, when you see a guy joking around about a woman dressing like a whore, you connect it to horrible thoughts, like horrible actions, like real, actual evil men that actually, cause like, there's a lot of men that genuinely hate women. Shane Gillis is not one of them.

• 1:32:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  And he's a great guy. It's just a joke, but, but for some people, those words. And then you see like the word police people, which is hilarious. We need to stop using that word. We're still using the word whore. Like, you're not? The word's great.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  It's a great word.

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  It's a great word.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  It's a great word for also yourself. Like, like, I, I freely admit that when I did like, um, especially the second iteration of Fear Factor, it's because I was being a whore. They offered me a fuckload of money to come back in like 2011 and host Fear Factor again. And I'm like, I'm a whore, let's go.

• 1:32:48Speaker 02

  Why not? Oh, I would whore myself out for also far less.

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not, uh, I don't think it's a bad word. I just think, uh, it has to be used wisely.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  You know, like, it's one of the good things and bad things about the internet, is that everyone has an opinion. It's good. It's good. You get to see it all play out, see the, see the chaos, and hopefully the dust will settle and there's be some clarity and what's real and what's not real. But because of the echo chambers and bubbles that people live in online, there won't be any clarity. You know, because everything is like connected to an algorithm and you're, you're only interacting with people that agree with you. And it's like, okay.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  And yeah, and you don't know what's actually real or what's not real.

• 1:33:30Speaker 01

  Well, that's a real problem.

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and just forming your opinions on, like, I don't know, people are just so opinionated to the point where like, it's their identity. Like, their, their take on a certain topic, that is who I am. And every conversation I have, that's gonna come up. And I hate those people.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  I do as well.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  So much.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  And by the way, that's a new thing.

• 1:33:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  Um, I'm older than you, and when I was a kid, that didn't exist. There, there were, I mean, there were some people that were ideologically, they were ideologically connected to whatever their political party was, but not to the extent that people are today, where flavored every single opinion they have about every aspect of society, from paper straws to fucking electric cars to vaccines and healthcare and fucking everything. Everything is connected politically.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  And if you don't say something about it, then you must be on the opposite side.

• 1:34:26Speaker 01

  Silence is violence, Cody Tucker. Silence is violence.

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, like you're silent, like, cause if I'm silent on something, that automatically means like, I could be silent about it, but still be on your side. But no, like, they believe that I'm silent.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  I remember people getting mad at people that didn't put a black square on their Instagram.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, because they didn't stop the violence. They could have stopped it by doing that.

• 1:34:51Speaker 01

  With a black square. Would have been nice.

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  The black square would have ended all violence.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  If the whole country just put up a black square, it would have been over. We could have moved into a new timeline.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Could have, but, um, yeah, I know. It, it's just that virtue signaling.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  It is, and it's also this sort of evolution of human thinking that's happening in real time. You know, with this, so you've got this thing, the internet, that gives you immense resources and access to information. But then you also have opinions that are inside this ecosystem that aren't even real. These are bots. Like, you, there's so many bots. I, I read an article, there was an article in the New York Times about Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend, you know, so there's the one that he offered, Ashley St. Clair. He offered her allegedly forty million, it's, she's his baby mama, right?

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  So she, she has one of his babies. And she offered him, uh, or he offered her, rather, allegedly forty million dollars to be quiet, and she said no, and she's blabbing to the world. So she was at one point in time, a right wing influencer, and now she is a part of the Democratic Socialists of America. She's joined the DSA, which is fascinating.

• 1:36:06Speaker 02

  Quite a swing.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  Quite a swing. Always interesting when people do a complete one eighty.

• 1:36:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  Um, but, so, this is an article that's written in the New York Times, and they post about it on Instagram. And I go into the comments, I go, okay, I need to see, cause I'm saying, this is ripe for bots. Like, this is gonna be a fucking bot farm, like a hundred percent. And it's all it was. It was crazy. It was, a lot of them are literally saying the same thing. He could have just given her a billion. You know, he's got a trillion dollars, he could just give it her a billion, she would have stayed quiet. And you, you click on their page, and there's no posts, and there's, there's, it's locked down, it's a private page. The, and it's a name and a bunch of numbers. Like, this is wild. This is like a fake outrage account.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  And there's a thousand of them that are posting on this. It's all the same thing.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  I've had it happen on one of my, on one of my videos. I had to take it down, cause I was so, like, I was like, what is happening right now? It was like one about Henry Ford that I did, about him being just a massive asshole, and about like his Nazi connections.

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:37:12Speaker 02

  And it turned into a full, the Holocaust didn't happen, like, it turned into that with thousands. I mean, I've never, like, at that time, had, had anywhere near that kind of traction. I looked, and I was like, I was like, goddamn, that one's getting a lot, why is that getting so many views? And I started reading them, it was like, the number's actually this, it's not six million, or like, you know, and it's just go, it's just constant. And some of them were real, or at least seemed real, cause it's like, is this a real person saying this shit? Like?

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  Well, there's levels of sophistication when it comes to bots, especially today with AI. They, they generate, one of the things you could tell is like how recent the, the page started. I like to go back to that first post, and a lot of their first posts is like six weeks ago, or a month ago. And then you, you see that there's no inter, interaction at all. No one's posting, no one's commenting. They have these posts, it's like them with their kid on a swing, them working on a car in the backyard, like, and it, it might be AI-generated. Or it might be they have taken it from somewhere else, but they can create, they can create a page that seems like a real person.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

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• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  You know, levels of sophistication where you're not going to be able to discern whether or not it's a real person commenting or not.

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  No, and you can have the whole world believe something, just if you have enough money to pay for enough bots.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  Yes. Well, it's not even enough money. It's not expensive. That's what's crazy. You can start a bot campaign fairly cheaply and have a bunch of people think, oh, my God, people are really mad at Cody Tucker. Like, you could really have people's... And you could shift a lot of the casuals who are just barely paying attention. You could shift their perception on you.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  And that's what they're trying to do. And they're certainly trying to do that with Elon. But this thing with... Do you think that was Ford Motor Company that was doing this?

• 1:40:36Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  What do you think it was?

• 1:40:38Speaker 02

  There's just this massive rise in Holocaust denial that's happened within just like the last couple of years. Or like, any post that has to do... I mean, a lot of it obviously has to do with like, the Israel-Palestine conflict, and like Zionism and all this stuff. There's a lot of people who just like, watch like, this one documentary that like, disproves the Holocaust. And it's all... That documentary is all a bunch of like...

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  Which documentary is that?

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  It's called Europa, I think. It's like, it's all hogwash. I don't know if it's real. It's just this guy, was a famous Holocaust denier. And now it's just become like, the... I don't know, because it's not even necessarily like, a right-wing versus left-wing thing, you know, where like, oh, all the right-wing people are Holocaust deniers, or, you know, vice versa. It's like, all... It's like, groups from everybody. But it's all like, for the most part, younger people, like, my age or younger. Yeah, just don't think it happened.

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  You know, what's also interesting, too, is that it's such a disgusting subject that no one legitimate wants to debate someone who doesn't believe in the Holocaust.

• 1:41:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  Like, you don't get like, a legitimate scholar on World War II who wants to sit down and have a conversation with someone who's a Holocaust denier. It's like, you don't platform those people, you know? And so because of that, like, there's a lot of people go, oh, they're hiding the truth.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Right, right. Yeah, who do you think wrote the textbooks? It was the...

• 1:42:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:03Speaker 02

  And it's like, well, yeah, they didn't, but okay.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  What is their argument? Their argument is that it's less number? That the number's lower?

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  The number that pops up every single time is 200... And that's why I started realizing it might be bots, is because every one of them was saying 271,000. Like, every post, or 217,000, that's one, too. So they think that's the number.

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  How do they come to that?

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  Apparently, that's what... In the documentary, that's what the guy concludes, or comes to, by like, crunching the numbers on like, the amount of Jews in the area or something. It's, I don't know. But it's absolutely absurd and ridiculous.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  So, do you think that it's a foreign country that is doing this bot attack? Like, what do you think? Because like, if you were anti-Israel, like, if you were against Israel's policies, and you were a foreign country, if you're, whatever, fill-in-the-blank, Palestine, Pakistan, whatever it is.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, anybody.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  You get some Muslim country that wants to fund some sort of anti-Israel thing, and then you would go after the core reason why people have sympathy for the Jews in modern society?

• 1:43:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:43:11Speaker 01

  Is because they were almost exterminated in Germany.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  And it's, I mean, basically, the reason Israel exists is...

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:18Speaker 02

  Because, you know, after...

• 1:43:19Speaker 01

  Because of the Holocaust.

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  Because of the Holocaust. And, yeah, so, that would be the way to do it. I mean, and I just think there's a lot of people who, yeah, just believe it, because they read it on the internet. They see the meme saying blah, blah, blah, and they just outright believe it.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  I think bots should be illegal. I really do.

• 1:43:37Speaker 02

  100%. I don't care, because I'm sure there's a lot of bots that follow me on fucking social media.

• 1:43:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I know there are a lot of bots.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know what the number is, but I'm sure, I would guess it's probably about 25%. Let my number... I don't care if my number's a dropper. I don't care, like, if my money goes down. Get rid of it. Get rid of bots. Like, you should... I've always felt that you should have to have an ID to be able to prove who you are, to be able to create an account on any social media platform.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  Like, you know, I think there's like, dating apps that do it, where you have to take a picture of your ID, and then you go through like, a vetting process. That should be the same with Instagram, Facebook.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  The problem with that is whistleblowers. And I think that there is a... There's a legit argument that, especially if you're like, an Edward Snowden, or, you know, Chelsea Manning-type person who has access to information that is highly classified, but you don't want to reveal your identity, but people need to know. Like, there's a crime being committed on the American people, or the people of the world, or whatever.

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:37Speaker 01

  You know, the whistleblower thing, protections for whistleblowers was a key part of the Obama campaign, when he was running for office, was protection for whistleblowers. Meanwhile, he was like, one of the worst people for whistleblowers ever, that was president, which is kind of funny.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  But that's... They also even removed that part from the Hope and Change website. So the Hope and Change website had this whole thing about whistleblowers. They're like, deleted that.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Cat came out of the bag on that one. Good lord.

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  But, so that's the argument against having to show identification, is that it's probably important that some people be able to post anonymous. Because there's like, very powerful people that would try to take them out.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Right. No, no, I do believe in like, anonymity for like whistleblowers. It's just...

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  But like, how do you do that? And then also have an ID to post?

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  No, you can't. But I mean, you just whistleblow the old-fashioned way, and just write it to a newspaper that only about 40 people are going to read now, because nobody reads newspapers.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  Unfortunately, you can't even count on the newspaper printing that.

• 1:45:40Speaker 02

  Well, no, no.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  Depending upon what you're revealing, and what ideology would be opposed to that, and whether or not this newspaper ascribes to that ideology.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, which, that's kind of always been a problem, too. But if you went back to like, you know, the... All the presidents, men, you know, Nixon, Watergate stuff, like, at least, you know, they were able to do that.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  Well, that was one of the most disturbing things about Elon purchasing Twitter, was when they let like, Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi, and all these journalists review the emails that were with the executives at Twitter, were in contact with the intelligence agencies. And that the intelligence agencies were actively censoring accounts, were directing them to remove accounts. They were posting factual information, but that was inconvenient towards the COVID policies of the Biden administration. So they were actively censoring legitimate scientists from Stanford, MIT, like, legit people. And they were like, uh-uh, ban them, take them off.

• 1:46:46Speaker 02

  Because it didn't fit in with...

• 1:46:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  Scary.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's... I don't know if there's really any real right way of going about any... I mean, we may be doing it the best, the most right way that it could be done, which, that's terrifying, if that's true.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  I don't... Well, I think there has to be a way to tell if something is a bot, and you should have some sort of filters in your system, at least to mitigate the bots. To get to a point where you can't just have a letter, and a, you know, name, and a bunch of fucking numbers, and have 50,000 of those accounts, and bomb on someone's account because Henry Ford was a Nazi.

• 1:47:25Speaker 02

  Or just, um, I don't know, I guess that doesn't work either. I was saying, like, just have it where you're vetted, and then only people who have been vetted can comment. But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily work, because if a person's a whistleblower, you know?

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  Right, that's the problem.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  Ruins that, yeah.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, the problem is anonymity is important when you're revealing something, especially when you're revealing something about a government or corporation, where they could whack you. You know, it's like, would you... I think, God, I don't want to say it, but I think the best way to do is just ignore their comments, and just let them. But there's a bunch of people who don't do that, and it does artificially alter public opinion on things.

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, which is, that was why, like, for that post, I just took it down, because I was like, oh, I'm not going to go through and sift out all these comments.

• 1:48:11Speaker 01

  Did you think about just banning the comments? Just blocking comments?

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  Oh, disabling comments? No, not until right now.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  That might have been the best way to do it.

• 1:48:21Speaker 02

  Probably should have done that.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  Because it's an... I remember that post.

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:25Speaker 01

  It was an interesting post.

• 1:48:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:27Speaker 01

  Does it exist anymore, anywhere?

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  No, they got me. They got me. I know, I was infiltrated.

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  Maybe that's how the people that are pro-Holocaust narrative do it. They put in so many scumbags, that if you agree to... Like, if you follow what they're saying, you're a terrible person.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:48:47Speaker 01

  And people don't want to do that. And so they're shaming you.

• 1:48:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:51Speaker 01

  For posting it.

• 1:48:52Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  Wild.

• 1:48:54Speaker 02

  It's not good.

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  Not good.

• 1:48:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I probably should have just taken out the comments, but, uh, I don't really...

• 1:48:59Speaker 01

  How bad was Henry Ford, though?

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  It's just not a good person, overall.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  Is this it?

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  Oh!

• 1:49:03Speaker 01

  Where does it exist?

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  YouTube Shorts.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  YouTube Shorts.

• 1:49:06Speaker 02

  YouTube Shorts.

• 1:49:07Speaker 01

  Here, let's put the headphones on.

• 1:49:09Speaker 02

  Do you want to check the comments?

• 1:49:10Speaker 01

  Start from the beginning.

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  Oh, you should, actually. That'd be pretty funny.

• 1:49:12Speaker 01

  Start from the beginning. Here we go.

• 1:49:19Speaker 01

  When I pressed-

• 1:49:20Speaker 02

  Henry Ford revolutionized the automobile industry with his moving assembly line allowing for the manufacturing of the Model T to go from 12 hours per car to 90 minutes per car. At that point, they were making 10,000 Model Ts a day. He also doubled his employees' wages and basically created a new middle class in America. Despite all of this, Henry Ford was also a massive anti-Semi. In 1920, Henry Ford began publishing a weekly magazine called The International Jew: The World's Problem. Henry Ford's views on the Jewish population struck a nerve with a young man in Austria, who included Henry Ford in his manifesto, Mein Kampf.

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Henry Ford was the only American complimented in that book written by a young Adolf Hitler. Henry Ford even received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest German award for foreigners by Adolf Hitler himself.

• 1:50:17Speaker 01

  That's wild. Click on the comments, please.

• 1:50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:21Speaker 01

  Let's go. Here we go.

• 1:50:22Speaker 02

  I'd love to see what these comments-

• 1:50:23Speaker 01

  What does it say here?

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  Oh, forsaken one. Henry Ford, a man ahead of time.

• 1:50:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  I bet they're not talking about the first part.

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  It always feels like we've forgotten more than we remember. Thank you. I live in Detroit and, ooh, boy, is this topic taboo.

• 1:50:37Speaker 02

  I wonder why.

• 1:50:38Speaker 01

  The irony is that whenever the war- when the war broke out, the same Henry Ford revolutionized the manufacturing of warplanes.

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  Other admirers of that little mustache Austrian painter were Disney, King Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor, Wallace Simpson-

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  And Lindbergh. Yeah, Charles Lindbergh was a massive-

• 1:50:58Speaker 01

  Lindbergh. Was he really?

• 1:50:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, Charles Lindbergh's a massive Nazi, yeah.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  No way.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:51:04Speaker 01

  Um, so this isn't as bad-

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  Oh, well, this one's nowhere near as bad.

• 1:51:07Speaker 01

  It seems like- scroll, stop, stop, stop, scroll back up.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  Was it Henry Ford question? No, I was-

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  Some of these seem like bots.

• 1:51:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:17Speaker 02

  I mean, Ford was- I don't know, none of it-

• 1:51:19Speaker 01

  Ford was a great man.

• 1:51:20Speaker 02

  I mean, the my type of guy thing is buried.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  It could be shit posters.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, which I think that's a lot of it, too.

• 1:51:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, who knows? Who knows? It's got Lionel Richie in his fucking- that's his- that's his image.

• 1:51:35Speaker 02

  Poor Lionel. Is it Lionel- is it-

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  So it seems like it's more of a social media thing than a YouTube thing where the comments were- but, God, a lot of those seem like bots.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Look at these names with all the- when you see names like that with a bunch of numbers behind it, I have no- so much more respect for Henry now.

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  That's the one, yeah, I saw. Yeah, so there's-

• 1:51:52Speaker 01

  At the top, yeah.

• 1:51:53Speaker 02

  But these are definitely nowhere near as bad, I mean-

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  Nowhere's near as bad, but the same thing. I have more respect for him, but look at what it is. It's the same thing. It's these names with a bunch of numbers.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  Yep. Yep, almost all of them are.

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  I mean, we- there was an article we've referenced many times where a former FBI analyst was looking at Twitter before Elon Musk- Musk purchased it, and he determined that it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% bots.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  Because they were trying to say that it was 5%.

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:28Speaker 01

  And they did that by a 100 post-random sampling. So they just randomly got- allegedly randomly.

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  But if you're trying to sell something for $4 billion or whatever he paid for it-

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not random.

• 1:52:39Speaker 01

  Was it 40 billion? What'd he pay for it? For Twitter? Something crazy. 44 billion? 44 billion. So if you're selling something for 44 billion, the last thing you want to do is find out that it's mostly just robots-

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 1:52:51Speaker 01

  -yelling into the abyss.

• 1:52:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or-

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  But this CIA guy or this FBI guy said he estimated at the high end it's in the 80%.

• 1:53:02Speaker 02

  I mean, that seems so high, but probably-

• 1:53:05Speaker 01

  But it makes sense, though.

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  It's probably right, yeah, yeah.

• 1:53:07Speaker 01

  If you think about it, that's the town hall, and propaganda has always been a thing, you know, distributing leaflets, putting propaganda films out, all this. That's always been a thing.

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  So why wouldn't you- Why wouldn't you utilize, like, the greatest vehicle of propaganda the world has ever seen? And just have an army of people comment on things?

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  Makes sense.

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, manufactured outrage.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  Yes, which is what most things are now. It's like manufactured outrage or manufactured, uh, fandom. Like, I feel like most things that are so popular now, there's no way that's authentic.

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  Like, what kind of stuff?

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  Uh, like, certain movies will make just an astronomical amount of money. I'm like, I don't think that many people want to see that movie. Like, that new Spider-Man movie, that brand-new day that's, like, broke every record. I'm like, who the hell went to go see that, though?

• 1:53:56Speaker 01

  You'd be amazed. People love superhero movies.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  Or like the LL Langley, you know, that music, that song. Nothing against her, nothing against the song, but it's like baiting all these rhexes. Like, I don't know a single person who's sitting around listening to that, but maybe also-

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  I listen to that song.

• 1:54:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:54:09Speaker 03

  I like it. You should go to a bar on Sixth Street.

• 1:54:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  Okay, is it really? Well, that actually makes-

• 1:54:14Speaker 03

  That song's popular as fuck.

• 1:54:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe it makes- yeah. I think maybe I'm just- I'm not the best person to even talk about that kind of stuff because I'm in a dang one-person bubble, so-

• 1:54:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're in a bubble. Have you ever seen her, uh, there's a film of her, a video of her getting ready to go on stage, and she's walking through the backstage area, and that song Stayin' Alive is playing, and she's dancing?

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, does the little kicks and stuff, yeah.

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  Very compelling.

• 1:54:37Speaker 02

  It is. It's- how- isn't it weird how that video is so, like, captivating?

• 1:54:42Speaker 01

  We love people being free.

• 1:54:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  Here, play it. Give me volume.

• 1:54:45Speaker 02

  I've watched this video when- oh, because of song?

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:49Speaker 03

  On that note, I'll talk- tell you later, never mind.

• 1:54:52Speaker 01

  Okay. You want to just tell me now and edit it out?

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  Sure, yeah, yeah, just what you and LL Cool J reciting the lyrics to Going Back to Cali got flagged.

• 1:55:01Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:55:03Speaker 03

  That's how the flags work. It's like, because you recited the lyrics to the song.

• 1:55:05Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, these fucking criminals.

• 1:55:07Speaker 02

  Was he reciting them?

• 1:55:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, both of them.

• 1:55:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, both of us.

• 1:55:10Speaker 02

  Well, I guess I got it, but yeah.

• 1:55:11Speaker 01

  But he probably doesn't own the-

• 1:55:13Speaker 03

  No, it doesn't. It's not that the-

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  It's just- it's just the flag itself.

• 1:55:16Speaker 01

  That's fucking bananas. Bananas.

• 1:55:19Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  It's a weird world we're living in, man.

• 1:55:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:55:22Speaker 01

  If you- if you hum a song, like, um, you know that song?

• 1:55:28Speaker 03

  Careful.

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  Is it- I'm not gonna say it.

• 1:55:30Speaker 03

  Elon Musk doesn't even talk about the songs anymore, but-

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  Is it the- is it the lyric- is it Sunshine of My Life?

• 1:55:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:38Speaker 03

  Because they've done that a lot, and they get all flagged.

• 1:55:39Speaker 01

  I do that all the time. Like, whenever I think about someone, like, really high on drugs, I always, like, make that noise.

• 1:55:45Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  And if you can't- well, I'll make it real quick, and then we'll edit it, right? Here we go.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Sunshine of your love.

• 1:55:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, sunshine of your love.

• 1:55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cream.

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  So, cream, right.

• 1:55:53Speaker 02

  Cash rules have been around.

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  Um, so when, um, if you do that on a podcast, they'll flag you. Just do that.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  That- that's so crazy.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  Crazy!

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:56:02Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:56:03Speaker 02

  I'm amazed mine hasn't. Because I have a movie podcast, and one of our categories is, uh, called Creeded and Weep, where we, um, you have to place the Creed song, arguably the greatest song ever written, My Own Prison by Creed, somewhere in the movie, where do you put it? And we always end up singing the song, but it never gets flagged.

• 1:56:21Speaker 01

  They probably haven't got you yet. They'll find you.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  I know, we do a good song.

• 1:56:24Speaker 01

  They're gonna get you now.

• 1:56:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:26Speaker 01

  Now that you're talking about it here, they're gonna get you.

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  I know. Yeah, I shouldn't have mentioned it.

• 1:56:30Speaker 01

  But that, uh, that Choose in Texas song is huge.

• 1:56:34Speaker 02

  No, it is, I guess, yeah.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  It's huge. There's something about this world that is so chaotic that, um, it has made simplicity much more attractive, and country music is making a giant comeback.

• 1:56:46Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  A huge resurgence.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  It's because people want, like, they want to be by the river with a pickup truck and with, you know, just having a good time and praising Jesus, and they- they want simplicity. They want things to be clearly defined, and they want to take away the anxiety of the unknown, because the anxiety of the unknown is looming over us constantly, like a fog, like that- that giant sky demon from Stranger Things.

• 1:57:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  You know that fucking thing?

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  That's like looming- that's what our future, our uncertain future, and this technological hell that we- we have unleashed on the world, and that there's a lot of people that they long for the opposite of that. They long for Yellowstone. They long for cowboy shows. They long for things to be simple.

• 1:57:38Speaker 02

  That's a bit- no, I do agree with that, where people just want to have land, and people want to occupy their land, and, uh, they want to, you know, raise families on their land.

• 1:57:48Speaker 01

  There's that.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  That's like 90% of-

• 1:57:50Speaker 01

  Homesteading.

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, um, but I think with music, though, it's kind of interesting because, like, I mean, you could kind of say that about any time. Like, the 60s, when was there ever a more, um, like, what the hell's about to happen to us time? But then that was some of the most original music ever made, and some of the most complex music ever made at that point.

• 1:58:10Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:58:10Speaker 02

  So it was like, the chaos turned into chaotic music.

• 1:58:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:58:16Speaker 02

  Whereas now, the uncertainty has turned into, God dang, I just want to make sure this music sounds the same. I want to know what I'm getting before I get it, like-

• 1:58:25Speaker 01

  Well, that was-

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  Maybe people just suck at making music now, too, which I think is-

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  I don't know about that.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  Not- not- well, no, not in, like, overall, but I think what gets pushed to the top is- is more like that. I think people, uh- Like whoever's, you know, marketing music, whatever company, you know, whether it's Sony, whoever, they're way less likely to take a risk on someone. And they just know like, okay, this worked the past fifteen times. Well, let's go and do sixteenth. And and do it that way. Where I think that wasn't always the case. I mean, you could definitely say there was like the pop, you know, bubblegum pop of the sixties where it's just, how many versions of the Dave Clark five can we make? And then, but occasionally they would bust out, you know, like the Doors or, you know, Big Brother and the Hole in Company or something. Um, now I don't think there's any version of that.

• 1:59:14Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know if that's true. Cause I, no, because I think that today, one of the very unique things about today is that you don't need anyone for you to go viral. All you have to do is be able to post it online. Like Oliver Anthony's a great example of that. Right? He comes up with Richmond, North of Richmond, and it becomes this fucking massive hit, like out of nowhere. And it turns out he's actually really fucking talented and stays independent and does it all on his own.

• 1:59:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think those are very few and far between.

• 1:59:46Speaker 01

  But they exist and they didn't exist before. So in the sixties, you couldn't do that. If you were gonna release an album, you had to go through a music company. You had to go through a record company. You had to, you had to have an agent. You had to have a manager. You had of all these, there was gatekeepers to keep you from getting on the radio. You couldn't just have a song and bring it to the radio station and say, hey, would you play my song? That's not how it worked.

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  No, no, you had to bring it. Yeah, you had to bring your demo to a label and then the label took care of the rest.

• 2:00:14Speaker 01

  Oliver Anthony's first time performing live was in front of like twelve thousand people.

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:00:22Speaker 01

  So he's a guy, he like makes a song literally like in a field with a fucking cool guitar. And sings the song and it resonated with people so strongly that they just went out to see him in droves. That is, but he's a very unique talent. But it's also like that thing now exists where it never existed before. And there are people like that out there. And there's, there's a bunch of other ones that are, that are really interesting, that are popping off like left and right, all over the place. In that way, just resonate with people.

• 2:00:57Speaker 02

  I need to, um, actually listen to some newer music, cause I never do. I'm so stuck in like older music and.

• 2:01:05Speaker 01

  Have you ever heard his song Squornful Woman?

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  Oliver Anthony's?

• 2:01:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. You played it for me.

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:01:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was amazing.

• 2:01:14Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 2:01:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. A sneak preview. That was, that was so good. No, he is amazing. And there are some people for sure. I just feel like talent has, I don't know, there's something that just feels too robotic about music. Like whenever I hear songs now, it sounds like it's made on a laptop. Like even, but like, it's almost like too well-produced. Whereas if I listen to like Van Halen one, I can hear the times where Eddie Van Halen fucks up.

• 2:01:41Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  Even though he's the greatest guitarist of all time, like I wanna hear the imperfections in that. And now you would have a producer go through and cut out every little thing. And it doesn't even sound like a person anymore.

• 2:01:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  So I, there's something that just feels like a uncanny valley about music now. Movies have become that way even to me.

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  Well, there's a lot of AI clips that I watch now on YouTube. Where these short AI movies like Dracula versus the Wolfman. And they're really clunky. They're clunky and the graphics are kinda, they're a little shitty. They're really good, but not good enough. Like you don't think it's real.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:22Speaker 01

  But, uh, I'm just fascinated that a regular person gets to do these things. It's like, it's really weird.

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, there's part of me that thinks that's a good thing, but part of me that doesn't. Sometimes I feel like there needs to be a bottleneck, you know? Where I think, yeah, I don't know. I feel like less is more almost always.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Well, it's definitely gonna be hard to find the quality things. But I think that the quality things are going to exist where they wouldn't have existed before. Like someone who's just a very creative person and has an idea that would have cost millions and millions of dollars to produce. Instead is just sitting at home with a laptop and, uh, an L L M. And they feed it into that. And next thing you know, you've got this really cool creative video that came out of their imagination that wouldn't have been possible. But the amount of those versus the amount of bullshit.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  Is crazy.

• 2:03:13Speaker 02

  That's the problem.

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  That's the problem.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  And I think that's a big problem with, yeah, with music too, is that there's just so much and.

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  Well, that's why live performance is so awesome. Like going to see a live musician, you know, like Oliver Anthony played at our club. He played at the mothership.

• 2:03:30Speaker 02

  I saw that, yeah.

• 2:03:31Speaker 01

  We've only had two awesome bands play there. Oliver Anthony, his band and Red Clay Strays.

• 2:03:36Speaker 02

  They're amazing.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 2:03:37Speaker 02

  So that's like one of the few bands of like, you know, that I do actively listen to that's a modern.

• 2:03:41Speaker 01

  Lead singer, also Android user. There you go. Doesn't give a fuck.

• 2:03:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, I feel like there's quite a bit of, maybe quite a little overlap in between him and I.

• 2:03:51Speaker 01

  There's a rebellion thing about Android users. It's interesting. It's a bunch of people that I know that are, Brian Simpson, Android user. Andrew Wilson, Android user. It's a bunch of people that are like, you know, just unwilling. Unwilling to give in to the, the call of the siren.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  Exactly. No, I'm strapped to the damn, uh, to the mast at this point. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not. Yeah. Well, I feel like if I changed it now, I'd be a real dickhead.

• 2:04:20Speaker 01

  Well, that's a problem with committing to something like that. Cause if, if, if you tried an Apple iPhone and you realize, oh my God, this is so much easier to use and better. And it does things for.

• 2:04:32Speaker 02

  I don't wanna even think about that.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  You'd give up on the convenience? What if it was able to do things that you couldn't do without it?

• 2:04:41Speaker 02

  I'm not that interested in convenience. I don't really need convenience. No, cause I don't do anything else. So I can, I have the time to, to be having a less convenient life.

• 2:04:52Speaker 01

  Do you ever think that you will, uh, make your life more complicated? Do you ever see yourself having a family or anything like that?

• 2:04:58Speaker 02

  Oh geez. Oh, it's entirely possible. I mean, there may already be one now.

• 2:05:02Speaker 01

  How old are you now?

• 2:05:04Speaker 02

  Thirty, thirty-two.

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  Do you think about it someday? Like to have a little Cody running around?

• 2:05:10Speaker 02

  Um, man, I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I feel like I'd probably be an all right dad.

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  I'm sure you're a nice guy. I'm sure you'd be a great dad. It would change you. It'll change you. I don't know about it in a bad way. It's.

• 2:05:25Speaker 02

  Ah, but I can't, I won't be able to do whatever I wanna do, whenever I want.

• 2:05:29Speaker 01

  You won't. That's true. That's true.

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm a big like.

• 2:05:33Speaker 01

  But you will love this child more than you've ever loved anything in your life. It'll change your life. Ah, you don't have to.

• 2:05:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:05:41Speaker 01

  I'm not encouraging you as a person who is a father. I'm not encouraging. I don't, I, I think, I do not like the idea that you, the only way to live a fulfilling life is to be a parent. Um, I think that is, uh, I think any sort of reductionist perspective on a person's life and purpose, I think is ridiculous. There's a lot of people that have never had children that have greatly impacted the human race.

• 2:06:07Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  In a super positive way.

• 2:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  And had wonderful relationships and friendships and people loved them and missed them and they genuinely changed the world. You don't have to have children.

• 2:06:18Speaker 02

  No, but in all seriousness, I probably will at some point.

• 2:06:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:21Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  I think you'd be a great dad.

• 2:06:22Speaker 02

  I think I'd be, uh, you know, a good, a good, uh, husband, good dad, you know? So I'd probably do it.

• 2:06:29Speaker 01

  You might have to leave your town to find a, find a, you got a lady right now?

• 2:06:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:34Speaker 01

  Oh, well, good. Congratulations.

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:36Speaker 01

  Does she wanna have little ones? Little Cody's?

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  She already does.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  She already does.

• 2:06:39Speaker 02

  Well, she doesn't already have little Cody's.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  But she has children already?

• 2:06:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, I mean, I guess I kinda don't have a choice in that matter then. I mean, yeah, no. No, it's, it's all gonna work out pretty good.

• 2:06:50Speaker 01

  Well, I'm glad you're hopeful. Have a good perspective.

• 2:06:54Speaker 02

  Well, I don't really have much of a choice, you know? You gotta kind of, you know, be hopeful or dread life. And I'm not too interested in that.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  Well, people are always worried about the uncertainty and the unknown and like, like we were talking about before. I, I really genuinely think that's why there's this genuine, there's a trend, a clear trend toward like simplistic music and simplistic lifestyles and, and certainly during COVID, a lot of people like turned to homesteading.

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:07:20Speaker 01

  And they realize like, oh, we might not be able to have food, which by the way, I saw maybe the worst movie I've ever seen in my life the other day.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:07:29Speaker 01

  I think it's called The Last House.

• 2:07:32Speaker 03

  I know who you're talking about.

• 2:07:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:33Speaker 02

  Oh, wait.

• 2:07:35Speaker 03

  It kinda looked interesting.

• 2:07:36Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, hold on. The Last House? Are you sure that's what it was called?

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  I think that's what it's called.

• 2:07:41Speaker 03

  It just came out.

• 2:07:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. It, okay, it's good for a while. The ending is maybe the worst ending of any movie of all time. It's almost like they ran out of, yeah, this is it.

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  Oh, this is it. Yes.

• 2:07:55Speaker 01

  These people get, spoiler alert, they get trapped in the house by aliens. So aliens won't let you leave the house. You can't break the windows. You can't open the door. For whatever fucking reason that makes no sense whatsoever. And then these aliens are like these big squid things that like octopus things that hang out outside your door. And then most people starve to death because they can't leave the house. But there's one family, the dad's an engineer. They figure out a way to trap animals and drag them back into the house. And then they survive somehow or another. But there's these, uh, monsters that live out there. I don't wanna spoiler it for anybody, but it's so, the ending is so fucking dumb. You're just gonna go, what happened here?

• 2:08:38Speaker 01

  And by the way, that guy who's the lead actor is the guy who played, uh, Pablo Escobar.

• 2:08:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, Narcos. And he won, uh, nominated for an Oscar last year for, um, some, I can't remember the movie.

• 2:08:47Speaker 01

  He's fucking great.

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  No, he is. He's an amazing actor.

• 2:08:50Speaker 01

  Holy shit, is this movie bad?

• 2:08:52Speaker 02

  How long do you think you'd, you'd be lasting in that?

• 2:08:55Speaker 01

  In that kind of a world? Trapped in a house? Trapped in a house is not good.

• 2:08:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you got all kinds of stock.

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. For good, you go, okay, good for a year. What are you good for? Two years? And then you're gonna need food. You're gonna need to get out of the house. There's no way you're gonna be able to live in your. The, the premise of the movie is ridiculous.

• 2:09:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  And they, they throw a trap out, out of the chimney and that's how they catch animals on the front porch. It's the dumbest fucking.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  Oh, it's pretty good. Good thinking.

• 2:09:20Speaker 01

  It's kind of okay. Like maybe it kinda would work, but it's the ending. I don't wanna give away the ending. The ending, you're just gonna go, what the fuck just happened?

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  I wouldn't last.

• 2:09:29Speaker 01

  One of the, one of the monsters is a good monster and it, and it tells him, don't kill these people. And it opens the door and lets him out. After like six years.

• 2:09:37Speaker 02

  Wait, so that's the ending?

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And then they never see the monsters again. And then they go sailing. It's the dumbest fucking ending you'll ever see in a movie ever.

• 2:09:46Speaker 02

  They're trapped on a boat.

• 2:09:47Speaker 01

  Well, they're gonna, they're gonna go around and eventually find other people that live too.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  God.

• 2:09:53Speaker 01

  But there's like, maybe like thirty people left on earth. And the, and by the way, these monsters, they never see them again. That's also a part of the thing. Meanwhile, they're everywhere in the beginning. Every time it gets dark out and rains, these monsters are outside their house and they have to cover the windows. Or the monsters will see them. And then one day the monsters enter in the house and try to kill them. And then they fight with the monster and then don't kill the monster and that monster decides they're a good guy. And so he lets them out.

• 2:10:19Speaker 02

  I don't like any of this.

• 2:10:20Speaker 01

  Dude, it's so bad. The ending, you're going, what in the fuck did I just watch?

• 2:10:26Speaker 02

  I wouldn't make it three days. I can't ration. So I'd be, I'd be really screwed.

• 2:10:31Speaker 01

  Eat all the potato chips and that's it?

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  Oh, everything. I mean, I have plenty of things and I could survive, but I'd get way too hungry.

• 2:10:38Speaker 01

  But if you knew, do you think you would change your behavior or would you say like, let's just?

• 2:10:42Speaker 02

  It's too embedded. I've lived this way way too long.

• 2:10:45Speaker 01

  Until the wheels fall off, let's go.

• 2:10:46Speaker 02

  I mean, might as well. I have a clean bill of health as far as, you know, my doctor goes, I might as well go out with a clean bill of health as, you know.

• 2:10:54Speaker 01

  What if you found yourself out in the woods? And, uh, there was no one anywhere around you. You, you like woke up and you're in a cabin, but you have like a rifle, a large amount of bullets, firewood, some sort of a wood stove and water. Do you think you'd live?

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  No, so I would take the rifle and put it.

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  I mean, I would. I would look out the windows and I would maybe like whistle.

• 2:11:19Speaker 01

  What if there's a bunch of books, like really cool books in the cabin? And all you had to do is just figure out a way to shoot some squirrels, stay alive?

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  Ew. Nah, it wouldn't be worth it.

• 2:11:28Speaker 01

  It wouldn't be worth it?

• 2:11:30Speaker 02

  Nah, I think I'd just.

• 2:11:31Speaker 01

  You'd just end it?

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:33Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:11:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I need to, I wanted like an easy life, you know? I'm not meant for a difficult life. No, I'm, I've, I've ruined myself, you know?

• 2:11:44Speaker 01

  Physically.

• 2:11:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:11:45Speaker 01

  But mentally, you do like, uh, challenges.

• 2:11:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a big, yeah, no, I love a mental challenge. I love keeping this thing going. It's just from there down, I'm not keeping, you know, I'm, I'm, well, I'm conserving energy, like I said, yeah, just in case.

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• 2:14:05Speaker 02

  Cause if something happens, you, you're, you would be surprised, I'm telling you. I feel like you don't believe me at all on this, but if something happened, I'd, I'd really be able to take off, you know, pretty quick.

• 2:14:16Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 2:14:16Speaker 02

  Like fast.

• 2:14:17Speaker 01

  Run?

• 2:14:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you're delusional.

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  Okay, well.

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  I don't think you'd be able to run. If there was like you and me and an animal was chasing us, it's gonna get you.

• 2:14:28Speaker 02

  I'm coming in first, you're coming in second.

• 2:14:30Speaker 01

  That's a hilarious perspective. That's actually hilarious.

• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  Well, it depends on the animal, I suppose, but.

• 2:14:36Speaker 01

  It does not depend on the animal. It could be a fucking chicken chasing us. I'm gonna get ahead of you by a large margin, really quickly. And there's no way you can catch me. It's not even physically possible.

• 2:14:47Speaker 02

  What's the distance?

• 2:14:48Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter.

• 2:14:48Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:14:49Speaker 01

  It could be a hundred yards, it could be a hundred miles.

• 2:14:51Speaker 02

  Forty-yard dash, my forty time was surprisingly quick.

• 2:14:54Speaker 01

  I think that was a long time ago, COVID.

• 2:14:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it may have been a long time ago.

• 2:14:58Speaker 01

  Long time ago. I don't think there's a chance in hell that you could run faster than me.

• 2:15:02Speaker 02

  No, probably not.

• 2:15:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:15:05Speaker 02

  No, but we won't race, so I guess we'll never know the actual answer.

• 2:15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's just a weird idea that you have in your head. A guy who's so smart and who is so interested in facts and history, has this one delusional idea that you can run.

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  Interested in facts and history, yes. Smart, no.

• 2:15:20Speaker 01

  You are smart.

• 2:15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can just remember things, but I, I'm a pretty delusional person in this aspect. I think life's way too short to not be delusional, you know?

• 2:15:29Speaker 01

  That's interesting. So it's like a protective shield, like being delusional?

• 2:15:33Speaker 02

  Yes, I just, I think everything's gonna work out always.

• 2:15:36Speaker 01

  Well, that's a way better perspective than everything is going to be doomed. Well, those people are exhausting.

• 2:15:42Speaker 02

  No, so I do, okay, I actually probably shouldn't have said how, what I said. Um, I do think everything's gonna go bad. But, um.

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  Sorry, hold on.

• 2:15:53Speaker 02

  I did the wrong order. So I think everything's gonna be bad inside, but on the outside, I try to be like, I, I try to convince myself that everything's okay. And it does work, like, you know, but no, in the inside, I'm scared to death of everything.

• 2:16:07Speaker 01

  But everything is going well for you. Like you said, you got a lady in your life, you, your, your, your page is doing fantastic, you've written two books. Like, things are going really well.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  No, no, it's not that. I just think like, um, you know, what if I have a heart attack right now? Or like, what if, um?

• 2:16:22Speaker 01

  That is possible.

• 2:16:23Speaker 02

  What if on the way home, I die in a car wreck? Like, I'm always thinking, I, I'm a very what-if person, which is why I don't like thinking about the future. Cause when I think of the future, I'm not hopeful at all. It's always like something bad is gonna happen to me in the future. But right now, nothing is, so.

• 2:16:39Speaker 01

  If things start to happen bad, like if your health starts to fade, do you think you'll make conscious decisions to become healthier?

• 2:16:47Speaker 02

  Oh, I would like to think so, but.

• 2:16:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I'm very much like a, as long as everything's coming back all right, I'm gonna keep running this son of a bitch into the ground.

• 2:16:57Speaker 01

  Right, as long as everything's coming back all right.

• 2:16:59Speaker 02

  But if I get a, if I get an A1C test that looks a little iffy, well, I don't know what I'm gonna do on that one.

• 2:17:04Speaker 01

  Would probably change if you had children. That would be one of the things that would change. You would want to be around for your children. And that does happen to a lot of people. They have children, they say, oh my God, I have to be here for this little tiny person that I loved to death. I have to change my diet, I have to change my life.

• 2:17:21Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. I would, yeah, I would change things up quite a bit. I mean, I have changed some things, like I quit drinking, uh, you know.

• 2:17:28Speaker 01

  When'd you do that?

• 2:17:29Speaker 02

  Seven or eight years ago? I don't know. It was, um, yeah, probably about eight years ago. Yeah, actually, I mean, partly because of like so far October stuff, you know.

• 2:17:36Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:17:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that was like whenever I first tried it and was like, oh, like this is way better than drinking every day.

• 2:17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you certainly feel a lot better, that's for sure.

• 2:17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then, you know, the month ends and then I go back to drinking, but I'm like not enjoying it that much. And then by like February of, you know, after that, November, uh, I was just like, no, done, no more. I'm tired of this, tired of drinking every day. I'm tired of drinking as much as I'm drinking and feeling horrible and just quit and.

• 2:18:05Speaker 01

  Good for you, man.

• 2:18:07Speaker 02

  So I have it in there.

• 2:18:08Speaker 01

  I took eight months off, about eight months, and then I, I went out with my wife and had a, I think I had a margarita. Margarita or a glass of wine, something like that? And then I was like, oh, I think I'm back.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:20Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  See, that's my problem. I can't, I can't have a little of something. That's the big problem. And that's why drinking was kinda easy, not that it was easy, but it was kinda easy, cause I can just not drink. I'll live, like I can just have zero alcohol, but I can't have zero food. And that's my, where my problem is, is I overeat all the time, cause I just, I feel like I'm never gonna get enough. I'm like, it's like famine mentality, but I didn't grow up like, you know, poor or anything. So, I mean, not, you know, rich, but like, I don't know why I have this like mentality of like, oh, I gotta have everything. But that's how it was with alcohol too, is like, I can't buy an eighteen pack of beer, cause that's not gonna be enough. Like, no, no, no, no. So I need to buy two eighteens, cause like I know that'll be more than enough.

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  And I don't wanna ever run the chance of not having enough. And because there's so much, I'm more inclined to drink way more.

• 2:19:12Speaker 01

  I eat a lot, believe it or not. I'm a glutton. I have a, a problem, like I can't stop eating. I just burn it off, luckily. But I get to points where I don't. I get to points where I start getting a belly. And I start getting fat on the sides and I look at myself in the mirror, I'm like, oh, you look like shit, dude. It's time to like button down the hatches. I get to points, I've had some points where I got pretty, like, right before I did the carnivore diet the first time, I got pretty heavy. I got like, I think I was like two oh eight or two oh nine, which for me is a lot.

• 2:19:42Speaker 02

  What do you, what do you normal run at?

• 2:19:43Speaker 01

  Right now, I'm two hundred, which is good.

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  That's, is that like normal?

• 2:19:47Speaker 01

  That's normal. Two hundred pounds is normal. When I get above like two oh five, I start getting a little nervous, that's when I'm getting.

• 2:19:53Speaker 02

  You notice that much of a change?

• 2:19:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:54Speaker 02

  Oh, boy.

• 2:19:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, you notice a change, yeah. I notice a change in how I feel. I notice a change in, I, I feel like I'm carrying around extra weight. And I also just feel like shit, you know, it just don't feel as good. But I'm a glutton, man. I, I eat so, when I sit down to eat, I just can't stop eating. I eat so much. I just, I eat, I'll eat like two, like. Two entrees, like I'll have like two steaks. I'll have a steak, I'll have a big ba- a big plate of pasta. I'll eat a bunch of appetizers. Like if I go out to dinner with friends, I I eat like a pig. I get, I eat so much, especially if it's Italian food. Oh, my God, I'm a glutton, I'll eat pizza and pasta and and then I'm just like, oh.

• 2:20:38Speaker 01

  Where my my stomach is literally like stretched to the boundaries like, oh. Then I'll sit there like a bear that's been shot with a tranquilizer dart. Just, oh.

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  That's me. That's actually me like almost every day.

• 2:20:54Speaker 01

  I just have self-control other times and then I don't, you know, I I do a lot of intermittent fasting. Or like if I eat at seven P M. at night, I literally won't have any food at all until maybe one in the afternoon the next day. And then I'll I'll work out, I'll do all this different stuff and then I'll eat something before I go and do a podcast.

• 2:21:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:21:17Speaker 01

  And I do that all the time. So my body has these long stretches where it's allowed to digest all the food. But in the past, like there's been moments in the past where I haven't done that. I'll eat late night snacks, I'll get up in the morning, I have a big breakfast, then I have a big lunch and and it starts getting away from me.

• 2:21:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I've gotten a little bit better with it just, you know, over time, but I I mine is just very wave, you know, up and down, up and down. Uh, right now I'm I'm on a uh, an up, but an up in weight, not in goodness. Um, yeah, like I'm really going.

• 2:21:47Speaker 01

  Make corrections when you feel like you're going in a bad direction?

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  So then I'm like, oh, let's add some salads into this thing. And then I started doing that for a little, and then there's the down. That's where I, you know, lose a little bit of weight, my weight goes down, but then I'm like, eh, but this kind of sucks. So then I go right back up. So it really always sucks. I think it's just always either like it sucks, but I'm feeling healthier or sucks, but I'm feeling I'm eating good. So like it's just kind of.

• 2:22:12Speaker 01

  Do you think you'd ever get to a point where you would hire a trainer?

• 2:22:16Speaker 02

  God, that just feels real dumb.

• 2:22:19Speaker 01

  Does it?

• 2:22:19Speaker 02

  No, I mean, a little bit, but I just, uh, I'm, I can't be motivated by other people.

• 2:22:25Speaker 01

  Well, you don't have to be motivated by other people, but the other people can like te- take you through a routine or you don't have to think.

• 2:22:31Speaker 02

  So, okay, okay, so not like a boot camp type thing, not like Celebrity Fit Club?

• 2:22:34Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 2:22:35Speaker 02

  Okay, cuz I would not respond well to that.

• 2:22:37Speaker 01

  I mean, like, you know, you have a scheduled meeting where you meet a guy at like ten A M. someplace and you work out for an hour, three times a week.

• 2:22:47Speaker 02

  So like a dietitian, like almost like what you do when you meet with a dietitian?

• 2:22:50Speaker 01

  Sure, but a trainer would be like someone who like can, they say, okay, what are your goals? Like, what are you trying to accomplish? Okay, I'm gonna help you do that. And there's people that are really good at that. There's a lot of jerk off trainers that are just assholes that just got a job at the gym and most of the time they don't even know what they're doing. There's a lot of people like that, I've met them. But then there's also people that are like really good at their job and take it very seriously and really like helping people and getting people on on the right track.

• 2:23:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:23:17Speaker 01

  And and recognizing that there's this moment where people start to feel better and recognize like, oh, this thing, like my friend Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll is a great example.

• 2:23:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:26Speaker 01

  Jelly Roll was five hundred pounds. He's lost three hundred pounds. I mean, that is an insane, and he was a big excess guy. He was drinking and eating and, you know, just off the rails. Now he's running every day and now he exercises and I was just with him in Utah. We went on an elk hunt together. This guy's hunting, he's going up mountains and shit. He's like super healthy now, it's crazy.

• 2:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:55Speaker 01

  And I mean, he's like, I've never felt better in my life, like I feel so fucking good. It's like, I can't believe it took me so long to get on this path.

• 2:24:03Speaker 02

  See, I would do something like that, I think, like a trainer actually, you know, sitting down with you and like.

• 2:24:09Speaker 01

  With him, he just started with walking.

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing, so I did buy a treadmill, uh, which has now become a clothes rack, but I did buy a treadmill. And, uh, I was like walking, walking, I was like, oh, look at me, I'm like you, making a difference. And, uh, then, you know, my heart started going a little fast and I was breathing a little heavy, but it was, you know, just cuz it'd been like thirty minutes on the treadmill. And then I got afraid that I couldn't catch my breath and I had a panic attack and I was like, oh, this isn't good. And then every time I got on it, I immediately was like, oh, this isn't good, my breath, I'm out of breath, which it was fine. I mean, I was breathing fine.

• 2:24:42Speaker 01

  It's just psychological.

• 2:24:43Speaker 02

  It's all in my head, I have massive like panic, which is all, you know, from all, you know, the anxiety, you know. Like, I'm sure if one thing got corrected, the other would correct.

• 2:24:53Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. I like you, you're a really good guy, I want you to be better. I want you to be healthier, that's why I'm pursuing this line of discussion.

• 2:25:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's an intervention.

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  No, not really, but you know what, one thing that would really help?

• 2:25:06Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 2:25:07Speaker 01

  Uh, putting your treadmill in front of a television and watching a movie.

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's what I was do- well, that is what I was doing.

• 2:25:13Speaker 01

  Way to do it.

• 2:25:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was watching like Lord of the Rings cuz I was like, I wanna do the walk to Mordor thing, you know, it's a little nerdy, but I love Lord of the Rings. And I was like, and that's walking, like I can walk, Jesus. And so I was doing that, but then I was like doing some incline cuz I was like, yeah, I'm really gonna test myself here. Probably shouldn't have done that.

• 2:25:30Speaker 01

  Start slow, start with a flat ground.

• 2:25:32Speaker 02

  Slow as I should have.

• 2:25:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, you just, you just, I, this is one of the things that we've done, these comedian workouts, where I bring comics in and we we have a gym next door.

• 2:25:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:25:44Speaker 01

  And, uh, the the first thing I tell them before we do it, I go, you are not gonna get exhausted. You're not gonna get exhausted and I'm not gonna push you. What we're gonna do is we're just gonna do a series of movements, very gradually build your body up to the point where you can start doing more.

• 2:25:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:00Speaker 01

  And that's the way to do it. The way to do it is not like kick your ass the first day where you wake up and you're like, oh, fuck.

• 2:26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:06Speaker 01

  You're sore getting out of bed, fuck all that. You need to build up, like if you try to do what I do, like for the first day, it'd be terrible for you. But you could do what I do eventually and be just like me, where I was like, I came here today, I feel fine, I feel great. But that's the thing, it's like you have to get your body to a resilience point, you gotta build it up, but I think you should build it up slowly.

• 2:26:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:26:30Speaker 01

  And the, one of the best ways to do it is to do cardio while you're watching a good movie, because you just get captivated by the movie. You know, you're on a fucking elliptical machine, just watching a movie. That's why I watch John Wick so many times, it started during Sober October.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:26:44Speaker 01

  Where I was like, you know, I was just thinking like about this, about this fucking revenge movie, fucking, ah, this keeps you going. Or any, anything that captivates your attention span and takes your mind off of the fact that you're breathing a little heavy and you're not even breathing really heavy.

• 2:27:01Speaker 02

  And I, even whenever I had the full, you know, freak out, I was, I was fine. And even after it was done, I was like, what the fuck were you freaking out about? But then it just sticks in my head, like it always just, I don't know.

• 2:27:12Speaker 01

  Well, you have an interesting head, you know, you're, you're, the way your mind works, the way you're interested in all these different things, that also could like turn against you.

• 2:27:20Speaker 02

  Hmm, boy, does it. Yeah, yeah, it's why I've slept with the TV on since I was three years old.

• 2:27:26Speaker 01

  Have you really?

• 2:27:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't.

• 2:27:27Speaker 01

  To this day, you sleep with the TV on?

• 2:27:29Speaker 02

  TV on, has to.

• 2:27:29Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can't be alone with my thoughts, e- ever, ever. It's too much.

• 2:27:36Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 2:27:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like.

• 2:27:38Speaker 01

  You never like meditate or anything like that?

• 2:27:39Speaker 02

  I've tried and like, I can do it, like I can, you know, not try to have zero thoughts, but just let the thought come, let the thought go, you know, all that kind of stuff. But I don't feel any different afterwards and I've done it for like months at a time. And, yeah, it just does nothing, I just, uh, no, I just try to, um, like suffocate it.

• 2:28:03Speaker 02

  Just try to suffocate the voices and they're, you know, not voices, but like the thoughts.

• 2:28:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:08Speaker 02

  It just would distractions.

• 2:28:10Speaker 01

  Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about people. One of the things that I really love about doing this podcast is I get to talk to so many different kinds of people. And, you know, there's a lot of narrow minded people that think that everybody should live one way and everybody should think one way and behave, and this is the right way. I don't think that's real. And I think there's a lot of different, very interesting, creative people that their brains work different than everybody else's and that's a great thing. You know, and your burden is that you can't be alone with your thoughts, but that's also why you produce so much great content. Cuz you can't be alone with your thoughts, you're always, you're always engaging with stuff.

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  Have to be distracted, so why not distract myself with, you know?

• 2:28:52Speaker 01

  But it's also you distracting yourself with stuff that's, I mean, it's really, um, because of all these facts and all this information that you've acquired and all the stuff that you've put out there in the world, you've like changed a lot of people's perspective on things. You've given people a lot of, uh, stuff to think about, you know, and that's a great service, it really is.

• 2:29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I never really think about it.

• 2:29:15Speaker 01

  It's the opposite of, uh, Real Housewives, what you're doing.

• 2:29:19Speaker 02

  I wouldn't go that far, but, um, cuz it provides a service for me, but, uh, yeah, no, I, I, yeah, I guess I never really think about it like that, that people really, you know, and get anything out of it or anything.

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  Oh dude, I get a lot out of your periods, that's why I'm always sending you interesting information.

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  I know, like, which is fun cuz like a lot, some of it's stuff that I have like heard about, I'm like, oh, I did a video on that like a long, long time ago. But a lot of it isn't, it's like, holy, I never knew, which that's one of my favorite start to a sentence is, did you know? Like when someone comes up to me and says, hey, did you know, I'm immediately like, oh, come on, come on. And there's times where like, oh, I already knew it, but it's like, oh, well, that's cool, that, that's cool, you knew it. But whenever they follow that up with like something I didn't know, oh, man, that's like one of my favorite feelings in the world.

• 2:30:07Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 2:30:08Speaker 02

  Is learning something that I didn't know.

• 2:30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially something really wild and cool.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:30:13Speaker 01

  Like, whoa.

• 2:30:13Speaker 02

  Especially if it's about somebody that is like well-known, you're like, well, how does people, how do people not know that side of that person?

• 2:30:20Speaker 01

  And some of it's not even cool, like the Henry Ford shit, like I didn't know that.

• 2:30:23Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, not cool, like good.

• 2:30:25Speaker 01

  No, I know what I mean, but yeah, but but it's, it's interesting to know that there's, you know, some of our most celebrated people are monsters.

• 2:30:33Speaker 02

  We had like Gandhi, Mother Teresa.

• 2:30:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:36Speaker 02

  Um, you know, Henry Ford, Caesar Chavez, we talked, you know, I think most of those people were complete scumbags. I mean, some of them did some good stuff, I mean, I already, Mother Teresa never did anything good, but, um, I mean, Gandhi, you know.

• 2:30:50Speaker 01

  Was Mother Teresa that bad?

• 2:30:51Speaker 02

  Real bad.

• 2:30:52Speaker 01

  What was Mother Teresa's deal?

• 2:30:54Speaker 02

  Mother Teresa had a, um, you know, she would like heal the sick and all that, uh, B S. But she basically just had a giant concrete storage room that she would put sick people in and donate and give all the money that was being donated to her to the Vatican. Not use it to treat any of them. Cuz she believed that like suffering brought you closer to God. So she would just walk up and down the rows of sick dying people, like, look how close to God I am. She's a scum, a horrible person.

• 2:31:23Speaker 01

  Really? So she could have helped them with medication?

• 2:31:26Speaker 02

  I mean, she, I think they were giving them like, you know, very basic things, but like, you know, they're sleeping on like concrete floors, like meanwhile, she's getting millions donated, like Princess Diana, you know, is giving all this money to Mother Teresa and she's just this frail old, you know, nun, so you, you're none the wiser, but yeah, she's just like funneling it right up to the Vatican.

• 2:31:48Speaker 01

  And was she portraying her role very differently than the reality of it?

• 2:31:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's the reason why she became, you know, Mother Teresa, like to everybody is like, is this like sort of patron saint of, you know, which I don't know what she is the saint of, if anything, but like to most people, in most people's eyes, like that's a, a good person, like, oh, you're just like, you know, Mother Teresa, so now it's like how Einstein is with being smart. Mother Teresa is with like caring and kindness and virtue.

• 2:32:14Speaker 01

  And she was just sending all the money to the Vatican?

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, the vast majority of the Vatican and just having a, you know, basically a torture chamber, you know, people are just suffering constantly.

• 2:32:24Speaker 01

  So you're thinking you're gonna go to Mother Teresa, she's gonna take care of you and you just get locked in a basement?

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you get locked in this giant concrete room with like basically no windows, no sunlight getting in and just people just having like whatever dysentery or, you know, whatever disease they have.

• 2:32:40Speaker 01

  Just diarrhea over your bed sheets and just slowly slip away.

• 2:32:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, not good, it's like a frat house.

• 2:32:48Speaker 01

  The whole Vatican thing is so strange. That's one of the places that I, when I went to, I was a little weirded out, I was like, you guys have so much money.

• 2:32:59Speaker 02

  A lot of money.

• 2:33:01Speaker 01

  There's billions of dollars in artwork there, you walk around like, this is kind of crazy, they have masterpieces just kind of stacked all over the place, it's almost like they're hoarders for great art.

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  Yes, it's, which, I mean, art is a, you know, embezzlement scheme anyways, but um, I mean, most of it is.

• 2:33:19Speaker 01

  You think?

• 2:33:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:21Speaker 01

  You don't think Hunter Biden was getting paid all that money because his art was amazing? What are you trying to say?

• 2:33:27Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, who am I to judge, you know, the talent level of an artist, but uh,

• 2:33:31Speaker 01

  It is an interesting way to launder money, right?

• 2:33:33Speaker 02

  And they do it, I mean, like, you know, there's no, like, what's to make a paintings, you know, like 70 million and then one from an artist you've never heard of sells for like 35 million, like.

• 2:33:43Speaker 01

  Especially modern art, which is like very easy to make, I don't give a fuck what anybody says, there's one that sold, there's one that sold for, God, I want to say it was like tens of millions of dollars, it might have been like 60 million dollars, but it's basically like a red stripe of paint, a black stripe of paint and a red stripe of paint and it's famous and so there was this Christie's or Sotheby's, one of those auctions, one of those, and this thing got auctioned off for this fucking preposterous amount of money and you're like, what is happening here? Like, is this a scheme? Is this like, how is this?

• 2:34:22Speaker 02

  It's gotta be.

• 2:34:23Speaker 01

  How is this, how does this represent such an insane amount of generational wealth for just this stupid painting that you could make in a couple of hours? Not even in a couple of hours, an hour?

• 2:34:35Speaker 02

  Well, you just don't get it.

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  I'm stupid.

• 2:34:40Speaker 01

  I'm uncultured.

• 2:34:41Speaker 02

  It's amazing to me.

• 2:34:42Speaker 01

  See, if you can find that painting, it's, it's really crazy, when you see it, it's really crazy, like, okay, this is, you're, you're pissing, that's it, that's it, that's it, how much is that one, Jamie?

• 2:34:52Speaker 03

  I'm afraid to tell you, I think.

• 2:34:54Speaker 01

  That's amazing, though.

• 2:34:55Speaker 03

  I don't know if this one was, that's one, this is actually on the top of the article, so.

• 2:34:59Speaker 02

  That's really, uh, I mean, it's kinda beautiful.

• 2:35:01Speaker 01

  That's the one I'm talking about, oh my God, does that say 105 million?

• 2:35:03Speaker 03

  That's, no, no, it's different ones, yes, now, now, the list, let me find the picture in the list.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  Oh, there was that Jackson Pollock.

• 2:35:09Speaker 01

  That's it, right there, 186 million.

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  So like Mark Rothko is like a pretty well-known artist.

• 2:35:15Speaker 01

  Look at that.

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  But.

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  That is 186 million dollars.

• 2:35:19Speaker 02

  Which is crazy, cause I think like a lot of the Rothko paintings are like that and, yeah, he's like, oh, yeah, I think there's the Jackson, are those Pollocks or?

• 2:35:28Speaker 01

  300 million, look at this one.

• 2:35:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:31Speaker 01

  Kooning, 300 million, do you know about the whole CIA connection with modern art? Do you know that?

• 2:35:38Speaker 02

  With modern, oh, there's the Jackson Pollock.

• 2:35:40Speaker 01

  Do you know the psyop?

• 2:35:42Speaker 02

  With modern art?

• 2:35:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:44Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:35:44Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm so happy to tell you this.

• 2:35:47Speaker 02

  Oh my God, okay.

• 2:35:48Speaker 01

  So the CIA during the time of Jackson Pollock.

• 2:35:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:35:53Speaker 01

  Okay? Which is while we, we, we were in the middle of the Cold War, the CIA started this thing for modern art to, uh, to pump up American art, because we didn't have any art that compared with the classics from Russia.

• 2:36:09Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:36:10Speaker 01

  So, yes, there's a documented basis to CIA modern art psyop, this is from Perplexity, our AI sponsor, the CIA secretly supported the international promotion of American abstract expressionism during the Cold War, so what actually happened? In the 1950s, CIA funded the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a Paris-based organization that sponsored magazines, concerts, conferences and exhibitions, it presented itself as an independent cultural organization while covertly advancing an anti-Soviet agenda. So, American abstract expressionism, the work of Jackson Pollock, Rothkow, Willem

• 2:36:51Speaker 01

  de Kooning, those guys that we just saw, fit the agenda, its individuality experimentation could be presented as evidence of American intellectual freedom in contrast to the ideological constraints associated with Soviet socialist realism, the paintings didn't need to contain an explicit political message, their freedom of form was the message. So how the psyop worked, indirect funding, money, money moved through cultural organizations and intermediaries rather than appearing as overt CIA sponsorship, this is described as a long leash approach, international exposure, exhibitions held establish American paintings'

• 2:37:31Speaker 01

  prestige abroad, historians have identified CIA backing behind the new American painting, which toured Europe in 1958 to 1959, so all that art that you look at and you go, this is fucking bullshit, how did this become so famous and so valuable?

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:37:47Speaker 01

  Fucking CIA.

• 2:37:49Speaker 02

  That's so weird, I mean, it does make perfect sense.

• 2:37:52Speaker 01

  Same people brought us MKUltra, the same, like, they engineered so many very weird and twisted aspects of our society.

• 2:38:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's all the connections, like, or what people think of connections, um, you know, with like the music scene in the 60s.

• 2:38:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  Cause like so many of them were there.

• 2:38:08Speaker 01

  Strange times in Laurel Canyon.

• 2:38:09Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like Morrison's dad, Jim Morrison's dad being, um, you know, the Navy Admiral.

• 2:38:14Speaker 01

  He's an intelligence agent.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  He was the Navy Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin.

• 2:38:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:18Speaker 02

  He was like responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin.

• 2:38:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:21Speaker 02

  And Jim Morrison used to always like in interviews, and they asked about his parents, he would just say they died in a car wreck, that was always, yeah, that was always his response, they died in a car wreck, uh, they hit a group of Indians.

• 2:38:32Speaker 01

  That's what he said?

• 2:38:32Speaker 02

  Hmm?

• 2:38:34Speaker 01

  Was his dad still alive?

• 2:38:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, his parents were alive, yeah, alive and well, they were in one documentary about the Doors, I watched, like, they finally interviewed his dad and asked him like what he thought about Jim Morrison, it was kinda weird, but it was like back in the maybe 80s or so, but.

• 2:38:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, the thing is, they were good, they were really good.

• 2:38:53Speaker 02

  The Doors?

• 2:38:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the, the question is like, can you really engineer that kind of creativity and talent?

• 2:39:00Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I, that's where I get kind of skeptical about that side of it is that, like, or were there a lot of military kids in that area, because it's where there's, you know, there's a lot of military, you know, military base in that area, and are there just naturally gonna be a lot of kids and kids tend to rebel against their parents? Well, if my parents are involved with the military, you know, screw the military, I'm gonna make, I'm gonna get involved with the group that doesn't like the military.

• 2:39:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:39:24Speaker 02

  And, and some, and 90% of them go on to be, you know, teachers, lawyers, doctors, whatever the hell.

• 2:39:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:31Speaker 02

  And then there's like 10% who just happen to be good musicians, like, how much of that is like, yeah, is the CIA just plucking kids of, you know, whatever?

• 2:39:40Speaker 01

  Well, people tend to definitely create like, like a picture that doesn't exist, they tend to draw lines and connect dots, and we look for patterns that perhaps don't exist, but, but it's because so many patterns do exist.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  Well, and your brain's wired to look for patterns, that's why, um, that's why you can convince somebody of fake memories, it's why like, you know, I mean, people will give whole, um, explanations for, for an event that never occurred, but it's because they're, they're, they know the beginning and end, so they have to be able to connect that.

• 2:40:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:40:12Speaker 02

  Like, cause you have to have the pattern, so, I mean, your optical illusions, like, when you see an optical illusion, the reason why it's an illusion is because your brain is trying in there somewhere to establish a pattern.

• 2:40:24Speaker 01

  What was that one that we looked at the other day, Jamie, where they look like two different colors until you, uh, put your fingers over the line in between them and then they all of a sudden become one color? It is so weird.

• 2:40:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some interesting ones with that, or like where, um, you'll have like a Coca-Cola can that looks red in the picture, but it's actually all black and white, it's just because there's these tiny green lines. Oh, yeah, okay, I remember seeing this one, yeah.

• 2:40:50Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:52Speaker 01

  Like, that thing right there, make that large, please? That thing is, that's, they're both the same color.

• 2:40:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:59Speaker 01

  And you don't realize it until you take your fingers and cover the line and then you go, what in the fuck is that? How is that possible?

• 2:41:07Speaker 02

  It's cause of a, what, what do they call it, cause of a, Jesus.

• 2:41:11Speaker 01

  What is it called again, Jamie, what's that? Corn sweet?

• 2:41:13Speaker 03

  It's called the corn sweet illusion, yeah.

• 2:41:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's nuts, that one's nuts, cause you, you would swear to God that the lower one is a lighter color than the upper one, until you block out that line in the center and you're just like, holy shit.

• 2:41:28Speaker 02

  There's so many of those too, like, there's something, they're just so, they're fascinating to me, of like how your brain can trick itself, it's. Yeah.

• 2:41:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just the whiteness of the, the top of the bottom one.

• 2:41:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:39Speaker 01

  That makes it seem like it's a different color below it.

• 2:41:42Speaker 02

  But that's because pa- in patterns, that's how it would be. Like in anywhere else in nature, something had that wide of a top, then surely it must be a lighter color and the thing that's darker, like that dark would normally be darker.

• 2:41:53Speaker 01

  It's just weird that your brain fucks with you that much.

• 2:41:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's trying, it's damned just to, you know, get you where it needs to be, but yeah, it'll definitely.

• 2:42:01Speaker 01

  And I think that applies to like connecting these dots.

• 2:42:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:42:04Speaker 01

  Like Jim Morrison's dad was an, was a, that's a CIA engineer, the hippie movement.

• 2:42:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:42:08Speaker 01

  Which I think there's some evidence that they probably were involved in that as well. There's definitely some evidence that they were involved in promoting hip hop.

• 2:42:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, well, with the hippie movement too, there's, there is evidence that they were, you know, helping to stage protests and like, you know, organized protests that, um, even like, uh, was it like Gloria Steinem was working with the CIA at one point to stage, you know, like these things. So like, there's always been that version of it, but then it's just, you know, whether or not all of it is because of that.

• 2:42:41Speaker 01

  No, I don't think you can engineer Hendrix.

• 2:42:44Speaker 02

  No, and, and.

• 2:42:45Speaker 01

  Right, you know, and because I've heard that argument.

• 2:42:48Speaker 02

  Anti-war person. Hendrix didn't give a damn. He was in the war. He was in Vietnam.

• 2:42:52Speaker 01

  Uh, well, he, you know, he had songs that were anti-war.

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  It was not necessarily as like.

• 2:42:57Speaker 01

  Machine Gun.

• 2:42:58Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, as far as like outwardly, so not necessarily the music, but like outwardly speaking against the war. He was not necessarily one of the like, you know.

• 2:43:08Speaker 01

  He spoke out against it on stage.

• 2:43:10Speaker 02

  Against the war?

• 2:43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:12Speaker 02

  I don't remember ever seeing him like actually speak out like fully against the war. I thought he was.

• 2:43:17Speaker 01

  He's speaking out against the war and against violence on stage in, in the live version of Machine Gun.

• 2:43:24Speaker 02

  Oh, maybe so. Yeah. Well, no, I think, no, it was more like in his day to day life. Like he used to get really angry with people who would like criticize the war. If they like said certain, or like were critical, not the war, but of like soldiers. I think he used to get like really upset about that.

• 2:43:38Speaker 01

  Yes, Jimi Hendrix expressed anti-war views through his music, especially Machine Gun, but his politics were more complicated than a simple lifelong pacifist label. Counts of his early career describe him as supporting US involvement in, in Vietnam. Before his later music became closely associated with opposition to war. Well, he was a young man. I mean, he died and he's only 27.

• 2:43:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:59Speaker 01

  And Machine Gun is the clearest example, released on Band of Gypsies in 1970, portrays the brutality of war through lyrics and guitar sounds resembling gunfire. Fucking great song. Explosions and cries. Hendrix dedicated it to people fighting in Vietnam and Berkeley and within themselves, connecting the battlefield violence with conflict at home. Fuck, that guy was good.

• 2:44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, but even that's not necessarily anti-war. Like, you know, depicting war isn't necessarily being anti. I mean, now going on stage and saying like, you know, anti-war things, but I, I think he was more like, I know he got in a fight with, was it like Pete Townsend or Mick Jagger or somebody because they were criticizing like the troops who were in Vietnam. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, like, hold on. Like I, you know, I was a troop in Vietnam. Like, you know, they're not the problem. It's the, like, yeah, being against like the governments of that, I'm sure, but.

• 2:44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. But like Jim Morrison wasn't like anti-war, like.

• 2:44:55Speaker 01

  He just liked to pull his dick out.

• 2:44:56Speaker 02

  He's like pulling his dick, which he does.

• 2:44:58Speaker 01

  Chuck Lorre was here the other day and he told us that he went to see Jim Morrison in concert. He didn't even get through the first song. He tried to pull his dick off and they, they came on the stage with horseback to remove him.

• 2:45:08Speaker 02

  They're on horses. I mean, he was just such a, an animal.

• 2:45:12Speaker 03

  It might not, this is not of the same fight you said, but this is an interesting fight between Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townsend.

• 2:45:17Speaker 01

  Backstage argument, not a documented fistfight, Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townsend clashed at the Monterey Pop Festival, June 18, 1967, over who had performed first. Neither wanted to follow the other's explosive stage act.

• 2:45:29Speaker 03

  Read the quote.

• 2:45:30Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Um, it was just Jimmy on a chair playing at me, playing at me like, don't fuck with me, you little shit.

• 2:45:39Speaker 03

  Standing on a chair playing guitar at him.

• 2:45:41Speaker 02

  That's what Townsend said Jimmy did. Attacking him by his play.

• 2:45:45Speaker 01

  Not only that, like imagine like him playing in front of you going, I'm not following that.

• 2:45:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:50Speaker 03

  And then that's when he set his guitar on fire.

• 2:45:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, uh, Townsend's, oh, so it wasn't Townsend's guitar? I've always heard that it was Tom, uh, Townsend's guitar that he was playing.

• 2:46:01Speaker 03

  I mean, it could have been. They might've just left that fact out of this.

• 2:46:03Speaker 01

  Oh, so they, they wanted to play first. So the who wanted to play first.

• 2:46:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause they didn't want to.

• 2:46:08Speaker 01

  They didn't want to follow Hendrix.

• 2:46:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:10Speaker 01

  Hendrix. To- Townsend smashed his guitar during their set and Hendrix later famously set his own guitar on fire.

• 2:46:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:17Speaker 01

  Wow. Interesting.

• 2:46:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some interesting stories like that too, like with, uh, Jerry Lee Lewis, you know, uh,

• 2:46:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:46:24Speaker 02

  With Chuck Berry lighting his piano on fire and then saying.

• 2:46:27Speaker 01

  And said, following that motherfucker. Yeah.

• 2:46:30Speaker 02

  Amazing. I mean, he almost killed a couple of people. May or may not have killed a couple of his wives.

• 2:46:35Speaker 01

  May or may not have. Seems like he probably might have been.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  Tried to kill Elvis. Did he try to kill Elvis? Yeah, he showed up drunk as hell at Graceland and tried ramming his car through the gates and stepped out waving a gun in the air saying, I was saying, I'm here to like, like, let's see who's the, or he said like, let's see who's the real king now. It was trying to kill him and Elvis meanwhile is inside watching him through the security camera, you know, going like, oh, you gotta get down here, you know? And, uh, cops show up and Jerry Lee Lewis gets back in his car with the window still up. Doesn't realize the windows are up, grabs a liquor bottle and throws it at the cops and just shatters in his car.

• 2:47:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that guy was a loose fucking cannon.

• 2:47:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd say. Yeah. I mean, well, Jimmy Swaggart's cousin, you're gonna be.

• 2:47:19Speaker 01

  That's right. Did you write, did you make a video about that?

• 2:47:23Speaker 02

  I, I don't think I made one about them being cousins, but I made one about him, you know, being a lunatic.

• 2:47:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was a legit lunatic.

• 2:47:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolute like psychopath. Which Jimmy Swaggart's a lunatic. And their other cousin was a, like Mickey Gilly, I think, who's also a very famous country singer, but, um, yeah, Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis.

• 2:47:40Speaker 01

  Well, it's interesting, like the preacher connection to entertainment.

• 2:47:44Speaker 02

  Well, it's the same. It's one in the same.

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:47:46Speaker 02

  Especially that type of preacher, like a televangelist is.

• 2:47:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, there they are. Yeah. Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis. Look at them. They're both like psychos. Let me see that. Close in on that picture again. Look at, they both look like complete psychos. If I was alone in a room with these guys and they were drinking, especially Swaggart, I'd be like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Look at his eyes. Like he looks dangerous.

• 2:48:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:48:09Speaker 01

  He looks like a fighter. He looks dangerous.

• 2:48:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then Jerry Lee Lewis.

• 2:48:13Speaker 01

  I have sinned. Remember that? I have sinned. He got busted with hookers.

• 2:48:19Speaker 02

  Didn't he get busted a second time?

• 2:48:22Speaker 01

  I have sinned. It was amazing.

• 2:48:25Speaker 02

  Didn't he get busted a second time after? I, I wanted to say he did, but maybe not.

• 2:48:29Speaker 01

  You know, Kennison was a preacher too.

• 2:48:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, which there's, that's a perfect crossover too.

• 2:48:34Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 2:48:34Speaker 02

  Just that stage presence and, I mean, obviously that's a different kind of stage presence.

• 2:48:38Speaker 01

  I'm sure you've been at church. Churches, if someone's a good preacher, they're entertaining.

• 2:48:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:48:43Speaker 01

  It's part of it. Part of it is your charisma.

• 2:48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, when I was a kid, we went to this like nondenominational church and like our preacher was like, yeah, very captivating. Everybody loved him. He was very friendly. And he was a good guy. I mean, there was no like dark side to him as far as I know, but.

• 2:48:55Speaker 01

  But there's definitely ones that have a big old dark side. He was caught in a second prostitution scandal in California in 1991. Oh my goodness.

• 2:49:02Speaker 02

  I mean, you like what you like.

• 2:49:04Speaker 01

  What was the first one? Eighty-eight and then ninety-one, three years later. They had their eye on him. I've sinned against you, my lord.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  Oh, speaking of, what's his name just died?

• 2:49:16Speaker 01

  Fun times.

• 2:49:17Speaker 02

  What's his name just died? Old Jim Baker.

• 2:49:19Speaker 01

  Did he?

• 2:49:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, like a couple of days ago.

• 2:49:21Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 2:49:22Speaker 03

  And Tammy Faye died like a little while back, but, um, poor Jim. Rest in peace, I suppose.

• 2:49:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:28Speaker 01

  And who was the gal?

• 2:49:30Speaker 02

  Tammy Faye.

• 2:49:31Speaker 01

  No, the other gal that he had the affair with.

• 2:49:33Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, um,

• 2:49:36Speaker 02

  oh, boy. I always get the Clinton scandal, that one mixed up like names wise.

• 2:49:41Speaker 03

  Jessica Hahn.

• 2:49:42Speaker 01

  Jessica Hahn. And Jessica Hahn went on to become Sam Kennison's girlfriend.

• 2:49:47Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:49:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49:48Speaker 02

  I didn't know that. That's interesting.

• 2:49:49Speaker 01

  Went on the Howard Stern Show and talked shit about Sam Kennison.

• 2:49:53Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 2:49:56Speaker 02

  God, that's a good, yeah. Wow, I did not know that.

• 2:49:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, that's the connection. Yeah, you should put a video.

• 2:50:02Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 2:50:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I never knew that one.

• 2:50:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, Jessica Hahn had a fling with Sam Kennison.

• 2:50:08Speaker 02

  God.

• 2:50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. There she is. She was hot back in the dizay. See if there's a photo of Jessica Hahn with Sam Kennison. Look at her. Dirty.

• 2:50:16Speaker 02

  My god.

• 2:50:17Speaker 01

  Dirty, hot, lots of makeup. That's all I like them.

• 2:50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 2:50:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:22Speaker 02

  Oh, that's her in the.

• 2:50:23Speaker 01

  Sam Kennison and Jessica Hahn.

• 2:50:24Speaker 02

  The, the Wild Thing video. Remember when they did Wild Thing, like the cover?

• 2:50:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, Wild Thing. That's her. Yeah, that's her. Go back to that last picture. She's hot as fuck.

• 2:50:36Speaker 02

  Super hot.

• 2:50:36Speaker 01

  Woo. Jim Baker, let's go.

• 2:50:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, so Jim Baker, I mean, my god.

• 2:50:44Speaker 01

  How could you fucking be mad at him?

• 2:50:47Speaker 02

  I mean, who wouldn't be tempted by that?

• 2:50:49Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. I have sinned.

• 2:50:52Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 2:50:54Speaker 01

  I've sinned, my lord.

• 2:50:57Speaker 02

  I mean, it could be, or it could be the Hugh Grant situation, you know, with Divine.

• 2:51:00Speaker 01

  Rough one.

• 2:51:00Speaker 02

  Like he, you know, Jim Baker went the opposite way.

• 2:51:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was driving around getting street hookers.

• 2:51:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's what you want. You want somebody to cheat on somebody with a.

• 2:51:08Speaker 01

  Hot. Yeah.

• 2:51:09Speaker 02

  Hot.

• 2:51:09Speaker 01

  Cause then it's like, god damn. Yeah, hot. Big, I have sinned. Boy, what a good actor.

• 2:51:17Speaker 02

  They all kind of are.

• 2:51:18Speaker 01

  For me, he will be that photo with him and Jerry Lewis forever. The young man. You're looking at a young man's eyes.

• 2:51:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:24Speaker 01

  The darkness.

• 2:51:25Speaker 02

  Do you ever watch Great Balls of Fire?

• 2:51:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:26Speaker 02

  Dennis Quaid. It's, uh, Alec Baldwin, isn't it? Plays Jimmy Swaggart.

• 2:51:29Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 2:51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Dennis Quaid is, uh, Jerry Lewis.

• 2:51:34Speaker 01

  Awesome. It was Jerry Lewis. Jerry Lee Lewis.

• 2:51:37Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm big Dennis Quaid.

• 2:51:38Speaker 01

  Oh, he's great.

• 2:51:38Speaker 02

  You ever seen Breaking Away? That's another.

• 2:51:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, look at that.

• 2:51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, yeah, there they are.

• 2:51:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:51:43Speaker 02

  It's actually like perfect casting.

• 2:51:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:46Speaker 02

  Like Alec Baldwin is a good, a pretty like convincing Jimmy Swaggart.

• 2:51:52Speaker 01

  I haven't seen that movie in a long time.

• 2:51:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, me either. There's Winona Ryder too, I think, isn't there? That played the cousin that he married. Yeah.

• 2:51:59Speaker 01

  She's the one that went crazy and started stealing things. That was odd. I think people just like, with the pressure of that kind of fame and that, that, that life, it just, for a lot of people, it's just too much. They just go crazy.

• 2:52:11Speaker 02

  Oh, they're all nuts. I mean, James Brown was a lunatic.

• 2:52:13Speaker 01

  Oh, James Brown was amazing.

• 2:52:15Speaker 02

  He tried to kill Joe Tex at a restaurant. Well, I mean, at a club, I mean.

• 2:52:19Speaker 01

  He got in a shootout with the cops in a high-speed chase because someone was using his bathroom. Someone was taking a shit in his personal bathroom.

• 2:52:28Speaker 02

  Which is actually understandable. Yeah, it was like across four states, wasn't it or something like that?

• 2:52:33Speaker 01

  He shot his tires out.

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  Oh, that's one of my, one of my favorite videos ever is that news.

• 2:52:39Speaker 01

  CNN?

• 2:52:40Speaker 02

  Oh, my god. It's like, we don't need to ask him. We gotta get straight from the source.

• 2:52:44Speaker 01

  I'm out of love.

• 2:52:46Speaker 02

  Well, and he just keeps like reciting his song lyrics. He's like, I feel good.

• 2:52:50Speaker 01

  Exactly. Shooting erupts over James Brown's height. His height.

• 2:52:54Speaker 02

  His friend.

• 2:52:58Speaker 01

  Police in Atmore say a man shot his friend when the two of them argued over James Brown's height. Oh, was James Brown. I thought it was too. Some other people. Oh, that's hilarious. The guy died. He got shot and killed. He was 73 years old. He got killed over an argument. It was unclear exactly how tall he was. James Brown, yeah, when he died. I don't know. All right, Cody. Listen, man. Thank you very much for being here.

• 2:53:22Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 2:53:23Speaker 01

  Always fun to talk to you.

• 2:53:24Speaker 02

  Dude, thanks for having me again.

• 2:53:25Speaker 01

  My pleasure.

• 2:53:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:26Speaker 01

  Like I said, I love your page. Your book is Where Did That Come From? The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases. Cody Tucker. Out now. Is there an audio version of this?

• 2:53:35Speaker 02

  No, not yet, but I am working on one. I got, um, the person who did, uh, like the graphics, which I gotta give a shout, Carly, uh, amazing job with, uh, you know, making it look, uh, like an old school book, like I wanted.

• 2:53:45Speaker 01

  It does.

• 2:53:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, her, uh, her husband's a comic, KP Burke, a great dude. He does a lot of like this kind of stuff, like the long form history stuff.

• 2:53:52Speaker 01

  Oh, so he's gonna read it?

• 2:53:53Speaker 02

  No, no, no, but I'm just saying like that's, hey, he just does that. He's a very interesting guy you should check out at some point. Does like really cool history, like long form videos.

• 2:54:01Speaker 01

  Oh, where, what is his, is he have a channel? What is it called?

• 2:54:04Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know the channel.

• 2:54:05Speaker 01

  What's his name?

• 2:54:05Speaker 02

  KP Burke. He does stuff with like, uh, like the SDR, you know, like Ralph Sutton and like, uh, uh, Jason Ellis and like all those guys.

• 2:54:13Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:54:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, good dude, but, um, his wife set everything up and she's gonna do like the audio book and everything.

• 2:54:19Speaker 01

  Oh, dope. But are you gonna read it?

• 2:54:21Speaker 02

  No, I'm gonna read it.

• 2:54:21Speaker 01

  Okay, good. Beautiful.

• 2:54:23Speaker 02

  No, I'm gonna read it.

• 2:54:24Speaker 01

  You gotta read it.

• 2:54:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, that's, yeah.

• 2:54:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be very disappointing if you...

• 2:54:27Speaker 02

  No, I'm definitely gonna.

• 2:54:29Speaker 01

  All right. Beautiful. Well, thanks for being here, brother.

• 2:54:31Speaker 02

  Thanks, man. Thanks for having me.

• 2:54:33Speaker 01

  My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.

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