#2559 - Sam Morril

Sam Morril is a stand-up comic, writer, actor, and co-host of the "We Might Be Drunk" podcast. Look for his new Netflix special, "Incorrect," on September 29.www.netflix.com/title/82155480www.youtube.com/@sammorrilwww.youtube.com/@WeMightBeDrunkPodwww.sammorril.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  The Joe Rogan Experience.

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  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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  Sammy boy, Sammy boy.

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  What's up, dude?

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  Good to see you, brother. What's happening?

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  It's been a while. It's good to see you, Joe.

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  It's been a couple of years, like we were saying.

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  Yeah, man.

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  It might. Was the club even open?

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  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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  Definitely.

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  Definitely.

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  Yeah. Yeah, so it's been like a year and a half, something like that.

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  Something like that.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, it's good to be here.

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  You rolling in on the road, just constantly out there?

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  I was in Europe for two and a half weeks doing gigs and then, uh, and then they were like, oh, we want to drop your special second half of September. I was like, fuck, all right. So I just had to stay on the road.

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  Uh, so, yeah.

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  What is it like in Europe being American? Do they look at you with a side eye?

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  It was weirder last year because I was single last year. I was with my friend who was single and he thought he was like cool going up to girls in Berlin. He's like, I'm from America. And they're like, fuck you.

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  Ah!

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  I was like, yeah, I wouldn't open with it. I was like, let's say you're from Winnipeg or something. But, uh,

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  North America.

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  North America, yeah.

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  Don't be specific.

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  I'm like, if you want to get laid, say North America. But, uh, yeah, you know, it's interesting. Everyone responds differently, but I will say I was in Copenhagen at the end and they're selling like, you're seeing the merch on the street and it's like a little Trump, uh, holding like a, a rattle. He's a baby. And it says, I want Greenland. They're selling that in the street. So, uh, yeah, yeah, they don't like us.

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  Yeah, Ron White was in Switzerland. He said they, there was like an open hostility.

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  Yeah, it's tough. It's a bummer. But, but the crowds are good. The crowds are great. Yeah. I mean, it was like, I was in like, uh, I went everywhere from like Lisbon to, uh, just all Athens, fucking Croatia. I was in Zagreb. It's amazing. Yeah.

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  How good is their English over there?

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  Great. They love comedy. It's like the Balkans, they like, uh, people who are just in wars love to laugh. If you were in a civil war recently, they, they'll fucking laugh. Uh, and then, yeah, they were great. And, uh, yeah, I've been to, I've been to Sweden. I'd done that before, but they were great. Copenhagen, great.

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  I did Sweden once. Sweden is, it's interesting. Like Europe is interesting. They laugh really hard, then they stop. And they laugh really hard, then they stop. You don't get like, you know what I'm saying?

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  Dude, Milan is like, like I'll do three pedo jokes and then they all applaud. I'm like, what is this Carson in the eighties? Like what the hell am I on? But, uh, yeah, Milan is like that. And they laugh, hard to get energy. Like you have to adjust your expectations.

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  Yeah, it doesn't sustain. It's culturally, it's different. Like I went over there with Hinchcliffe and he was like, I can't get them. I go, you're getting laughs. And he goes, yeah, but then it stops.

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  It's a different thing.

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  You're in a different culture. They probably have to process the language, first of all.

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  It's weird. Yeah. And then, uh, yeah, Stockholm, the women are like the hottest women I've ever seen in my life. It's

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  Yeah, all those Nordic women.

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  It's like

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  The Vikings did well.

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  They did. Yeah. We don't talk about the good of pillaging, but, uh, there were some positives to, uh,

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  Giant handsome men and beautiful women.

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  It works. It, it just works.

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  It's terrible initially.

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  Yeah. But, but then a couple of hundred years later, you're like, not bad.

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  Not bad. And peaceful somehow or another. Like one of the most peaceful places, which is weird.

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  Yeah, it is. Well, if you're neutral, it's easy to be peaceful.

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  When was the last time you heard about Iceland going and fucking people up?

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  Yeah.

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  But you go over there, those are like the biggest, strongest fucking people in the world. They're like all those strong men guys.

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  Finland held off the Nazis.

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  Right.

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  Finland was like, fuck you, fuck you. Or they held off, uh, Stalin too.

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  Yeah.

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  They were like, Hitler like was watching Stalin like, oh, the Russians aren't that tough. Because Stalin couldn't take down Finland.

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  Also, I only think they've been a country for like 200 years.

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  Yeah.

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  Like, how long's Finland been around? I think it was like,

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  I don't know.

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  Was it 1812 or some shit?

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  Yeah, well, they're tough motherfuckers over there.

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  Yeah.

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  They're, the dudes are huge. The women are gorgeous. I was starting fights with my girlfriend because I was mad at how hot the women were. I was just angry at her for existing. I was like, I'm fucking, I was like, look, if you want to go on a two and a half day break, that's fine. I'll do it. Uh, no, they were, the women were so hot that it's

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  It's just weird that these warlike cultures settled down and became some of the most like amicable, peaceful, like just even the way they like distribute wealth.

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  Yeah.

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  Like they have these incredible healthcare programs and education. And it's like, you were the Vikings. Like, how did this happen?

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  Yeah. I mean, Sweden just must be nice to just be neutral when shit's going down too.

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  Oh, yeah. Except for the banks.

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  Yeah, that's true.

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  Banks aren't very neutral.

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  That's true.

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  I think that's one of the reasons why they're allowed to be neutral.

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  True. Yeah, that helps you be neutral.

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  Give me the loot!

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  But, yeah, but then Poland and Finland, like they're on guard. They're like, in case Russia does some shit, like let's stay fucking ready.

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  Yeah, it's a wild that you have to actually think about that in 2026.

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  Yeah.

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  That Russia might actually invade Poland.

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  Well, yeah, didn't, I think just a missile just hit a train going from, uh, Warsaw to Kiev, I think.

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  Great. Fun.

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  Good times.

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  Good times. Good times.

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  But the crowds are great. That's the important thing. The crowds are very good. They were very welcoming.

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  When you develop a special, do you, uh, mostly do it in the city until you get your hour down and then go on the road? Or do you just like constantly go on the road? How do you do it?

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  A little bit of both. I'm, I'm on the road now with maybe like a new 2530 ish right now. And, and I'll do it, I'll cheat and do a little from the special, but like, yeah, it's, it's a miserable, I never enjoy when a special comes out. I'm miserable. I'm

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  It's scary.

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  I can't enjoy it. Well, the second it, it tapes, I'm just like sad for like five months. Because I'm, I'm at the cellar, I'm following some young gun who's crushing and excellent and has their killer 15 and I'm just getting buried. And I'm doing new shit that I'm like, I get off stage, I'm like, I should kill myself. I should quit comedy. And, uh, and then slowly it gets to a point where it's respectable and you can tape again at some point.

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  You know what's really good for, um, after post special, like I know a lot of guys are doing this at our club, is just doing that bottom of the barrel show, Brian Simpson Show?

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  We have one of those in New York. Will Sowin's host at the Comedy Cellar.

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  Beautiful.

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  Yeah.

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  Any kind of show like that. I mean, there used to be, uh,

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  Although I hate when comics do old shit on it.

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  Yeah, that's right.

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  I get really annoyed. I'm like, I saw that on Fallon. I saw that bit. I've seen that bit before.

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  The wheel. There was one that they used to do at the creek, which was a wheel. So like, uh, the audience would write stuff down. You would put it on a wheel and you spin the wheel and then it would land on something.

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  Like a suggestion.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  I love that.

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  That was a good idea. And then they have stand up on the spot in New York, but that, or in LA rather, but that one you yell. You just yell shit out and that gets a little chaotic.

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  Yeah, it's a lot, but it's fun. You build stuff and the bar is lowered because they know it's off the cuff. But that's the problem. You, you think you riffed a brilliant thing and then you try it with the other stuff and you're like, it's not that good.

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  That's like crowd work, right?

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  Exactly.

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  Yeah, like crowd work seems amazing in the moment because people are, he just thought that up!

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  Yeah.

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  Then you try to convert that into an actual bit and they're like, that's not

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  Yeah. My where you're from chunk isn't hitting at all. What the hell?

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  What about that lesbian bar? Do you know about it, folks?

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  Yeah. Yeah, dude. No, it's, it's a tough experience, but then also like, the crowds are sophisticated enough that they, they know the deal now. They know that, they know that you're building towards something.

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  Yeah, for sure. Especially good comedy crowds that go to see comedy all the time. They know exactly what's going on. You're working on new shit. Yeah. I mean, and there's, some people have new shit nights where they just do new shit. That's great too. But then you're going to go and see some half baked comedy. I'd rather just, just throw it in.

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  And you have to, you have to put it against the old stuff. You have to, I mean, I remember Louis would always say he's opening on his closer from the last special and you're just like, I'm like, that's a great idea until you have to follow your closer, but man, are you measuring the new shit? So.

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  It's the only way to make, I mean, his, his strategy of doing that's brilliant because it's really the only way to get that other stuff up to the same speed.

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  Totally.

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  Yeah, it's tough. And also, like, you just have to just keep doing sets. Because you start to hate yourself if you're telling the same joke. And you're not adding a tag, or you're not, the self hatred keeps bubbling up. I just did like seven hours this week. I did one in LA and then I did six in San Diego. Because I'm like, I just have to keep talking until I hate myself to make this joke better. That's literally the only way I can do it. So, I'll do a smaller room and I'll just keep adding shows until I can, until I'm like, okay. I went from like, here to here. You just, I was talking to Dan Soder about this the other day. You go from like, 22 to then 25 minutes, then you're down to 17, then you're up to 20, then you're down to 12. You just keep, but you know.

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  It's kind of fun, though, that we all have the same process.

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  It's fun.

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  It's all kind, we at least share it with each other. Because like, you know, I was like, oh, I'm up to like 52 minutes. And I'm like, no, back to 43.

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  Right.

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  Like, I cut this out, I don't like this anymore. And that's just, that one just phased out. Or I got a new bit that took the place of that, I like it better, and it doesn't make sense to bring that back. I have bits that are like orphans. Like I have a folder called orphans.

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  Yes.

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  And it's just bits that never made it anywhere. They were real, I liked them at one point in time.

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  That'd be a good name for an album. Like a B-sides album, just your orphans. These are, I kind of would actually like to hear that. It was like, when you hear a comic just, I'll see Fahim will do that sometimes. He'll just post a bit that he's never gonna use. But it's like, oh, but this is, there's something here. It's like a throwaways, you know?

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  But I kind of like that.

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  Are you a guy who writes on paper? Or do you write on a notebook?

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  Dude, I fucking do it. I do all that, hold on. Yeah, I do all the little notes.

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  Oh, you're like a Mark Norman type character, almost.

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  I do all kinds of notes. And I just, yeah, I have to handwrite it.

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  Really?

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  Yeah, because I'll remember it. I don't remember, I type it too, for like, a backlog, but I, yeah, I don't, I have to write everything down. But I won't remember.

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  It is a weird thing that somehow or another, writing things down with your hand is, it syncs up with your brain better.

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  Yeah.

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  I don't understand why. Doesn't make sense, but it's real.

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  Maybe because it's like, and this is a guess, I don't know, but maybe because when you were like, learning to write, you just, you're like, reading along, maybe. In your brain, as like, a six-year-old or something.

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  Maybe.

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  Because I wasn't typing at six.

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  I think it's because it takes longer to write.

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  Hmm, so, yeah, that makes sense.

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  I think there's something about it gets imprinted in your brain better, because you're physically writing the characters down with your hand, first of all. So that you have to go through all those steps in your mind, N, A, B, T, you know, you have to put them all down. And then, once you've done that, then it takes longer to write it than it does to think about it. So it's just like, it's, it's just more burned in.

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  Totally, yeah. No, I, I think, also, you just look like a douchebag if you're reading off your phone on stage too much. So you have to just have a notepad. You look like you actually put more work and thought into it.

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  Right, yeah. If you're just reading your new jokes off a phone, people get upset at you. But if you're reading them off a pad, like, oh, he's an artist.

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  And there's also like, an old school thing where you're just like, I don't know, like, it just feels, it just feels like, like this type of pad is right. I don't know why. It just, I like these types of pads.

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  Like legal pads?

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  I like, yeah, I like the yellow ones even better. But I like, I just, something about it, like, you rip it out, I don't know.

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  Yeah.

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  It feels like, it feels like an actual job.

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  Yeah, like you're working.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah. Are you a sober writer, or you get fucked up when you write?

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  Um, I like to write sober, but like, yeah, I mean, I think you get your stories drunk and you write sober, you know? So I like, I'll go out and I, I like going on adventures. I romanticize drunken night, even in this special. It's like, I have so many dumb drunken night stories still, because it's like, sometimes I'm like, feeling blocked. I'm like, I should go out on a fucking adventure. And sometimes nothing happens, but sometimes you're like, that's a bit, that's something.

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  Yeah.

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  You just let the night, you're at, I like stuff where you're at the mercy of the night and you don't really have control. Like, I love that movie After Hours by Scorsese, where he's just like, basically in chaos for a whole night. I romanticize.

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  Who's in that movie?

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  Griffin Dunn.

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  I don't think I saw that.

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  It's great. It's just like an all-night, it's like The Odyssey, but a guy in Tribeca in the 80s, stuck all night. And it's fucking hilarious. It's a, it's a comedy, it's really funny. But the idea that you're stuck out all night, and, I don't know. I, I like, I still like an adventure every once in a while.

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  You don't have kids yet?

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  I don't. That's why I can get away with it, probably.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, you're a bad dad if you're doing that with kids.

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  Yeah, once you have kids, you're like, I don't want to take this, because I could die.

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  Oh, yeah, I don't do drugs. I, I, it's really mostly just alcohol.

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  Well, that's good. But every now and then, someone will give you a drink, and it's not really a drink. You gotta be careful.

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  Yeah. No, I'll, I'll go myself. I don't, I'm not taking strangers' drinks. That sounds like a bad idea.

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  Before.

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  Really?

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  I've done that, but not in a long time. But I've done that in the past. I'm like, this is probably a bad idea.

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  Did you, something in it?

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  No, no, nothing.

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  I got roofied in college from that.

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  Did you?

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  Yeah, it was meant for, it was clearly a frat guy meant for a girl. And I, I was like, I'll take it. And he was just like, what the fu, and I drank it, and I, that's all I remember.

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  How'd you wake up?

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  I was in the dorm, but I was like, what the, and another guy I was with got roofied too. Because he left me a voicemail that made no fucking sense.

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  That is.

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  But we saved some woman, I think.

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  Hopefully.

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  I, hopefully.

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  That's some truly evil shit.

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  Yeah, I mean, you're fucking.

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  Truly, truly.

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  It's as bad as it gets.

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  Yeah. That's, that's, and it's horrific how prevalent it is. Like, how many girls will tell you they've been drugged?

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  Dude, it was a thing too, when I was in school. It was a thing, they would just say, don't go to that frat, that frat house, they roofie. Like, you would just say it casually. Which I sure as fuck hope times have changed, that that's not a thing anymore. But back then, that was just a thing you said. Don't go to Pike, they roofie, or whatever.

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  It's so scary, dude.

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  Crazy.

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  Just so weird that someone was willing to do that.

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  I don't like Greek life. I don't like that culture. I don't like, it never did, the idea that you're bonding with someone because they're like, torturing you. It never did it for me. I don't, I'm not against hazing. Like, in comedy, I like that people like, trash me and stuff, I love that.

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  That's a different kind of hazing, though. You don't have to like, shit in a diaper and fucking drink five gallons of water in three minutes.

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  Yeah, how does that prove that we're friends? That I shit in a diaper for you?

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  Yeah. Wisconsin frat leader arrested after 30 pledges found in filthy basement injured and covered in condiments.

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  And other things, they said, but.

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  Other things?

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  Condiments is all they really talked about in the news.

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  Condiments?

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  Like other sauces or, you know, I don't know.

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  Prove you're my brother.

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  And it was very hot down there, they said, too.

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  What?

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  Just for what? So you can hang out with these assholes?

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  That's the thing, I never looked at them like I want to hang out with these. I remember leaving, I thought they were gonna beat the shit out of me, too.

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  Like, this is how they lived?

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  They were just stuck. They were being hazed, trying to get in the frat, or something, some incident.

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  I mean, for what?

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  Go to cool parties?

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  I'm sure there's some good ones out there, but it's not for me.

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  I just, I mean, maybe if I got in, I would get it. I never tried.

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  No.

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  My, my college days were a complete waste of time. I went to college just so I wouldn't have to tell people I wasn't going to college.

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  Yeah, I think that's, that, at that time, that's how you had to do it. But I think now, it's, it's, a lot of people are self-educated. And you learn stuff, and it's such a waste of money. It's like, you know.

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  Well, you can, if you are disciplined enough, you can get a full university education online.

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  One of the most successful people I know, he, the schools were too slow for him. And he just did all the courses he would have taken at like, four-speed, and dropped out in one semester. And he became insanely rich on his own. He was like, I got this, which is unbelievable.

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  What does he do?

• 18:09Speaker 02

  He's a tech guy, but he just made a shitload of money.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Thank God for vaccines. If it wasn't for autism, where would that guy be?

• 18:17Speaker 02

  I mean, he is, he is a fucking, is a gifted guy. It is one part of your brain that just.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I think some of it's genetic, but I think there are, are some people where something happens. And then all of a sudden, they're just way smarter. You've heard of like, injury savants? Like, people get hit in the head and all of a sudden, they can speak Chinese?

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Have you ever heard of that? Or they think it's Chinese, and they're like, it's not Chinese?

• 18:44Speaker 01

  But there are some people, there's some people that got, have gotten hit in the head and all of a sudden, they can do complex math.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Or they get hit in the head and they're just changed. I knew a guy like that, where he was just, I, I only knew him after the hit. And they were like, he used to be a different dude.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Oh, it's 100% real. I've seen that. I've seen that with many people.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  Many people. Uh, foreign accent syndrome. Oh, it's accent. Rare medical condition where a person suddenly speaks with a pattern that sounds like a foreign accent, even though they have never visited or lived in that region. I think that's just crazy people. I don't think that's like, an injury. But there's injuries, the mysterious condition that changes people's accents. I love how it's a condition. Maybe, maybe someone's just fucking completely insane and just pretending.

• 19:30Speaker 00

  The 28th of April, I'll never forget that day. I was just singing as I do. And all of a sudden, all these voices and sounds were coming out of my mouth that's not my own. And I'm like, hang on a second, am I, am I dreaming about this?

• 19:45Speaker 05

  Angie has now been diagnosed with a condition. Sure, last one. Nine years ago, sixty Minutes met some of them, including Britishwoman Sarah Colwell, whose accent changed following a severe migraine. She said, "No, you sound like you can work at a Chinese restaurant."

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  This is shit the fuck out. This lady's crazy.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  She's pulling a fast one.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Does any white guys who just start talking black from that, you think?

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Sure, 100%.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Must be.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Just one head injury with a rap music on.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  I mean, that, you can talk normal lady. You're choosing to do that. There's no fucking way. Like, that comes from speaking a different language.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  They're like, whoa. She's like, hold on. I got one of these.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  What, Jamie?

• 20:30Speaker 04

  What do you think her accent's gonna be as a new lady here?

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Uh, German.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  Eastern European accent after starting new epilepsy medication.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  New epilepsy.

• 20:38Speaker 05

  Yes, okay, I speak a foreign accent, so it makes sense. But for goodness sake, what is the foreign accent syndrome? Twenty-eight-year-old Angie is the latest.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  What is it? You have something, yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  What happened to her?

• 20:52Speaker 05

  She developed her Irish accent ten days after having her tonsils removed. But whether this is the cause, we'll never know.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Well, we'll never know.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  It's a standard procedure.

• 21:02Speaker 00

  He has located my voice to a different country without a visa.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Well, that didn't sound Irish. She sounded normal.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe it's temporary.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Maybe they're faking it.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  You know, some people also, like, they lose feeling in their face for like a half. Maybe it's just like a half a day that happens.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  It just doesn't make sense, because the whole reason why people talk without accents is because they're used to speaking in Chinese. Chinese has completely different sounds to the words, and you get a, and it's difficult to transition to English words.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I've never seen or heard of this. This is wild.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  That's a crazy person.

• 21:34Speaker 04

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• 22:53Speaker 01

  There's foxkin, you know?

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Is that a real thing?

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Oh, I follow a ton of people.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  I thought it was a joke. Fox?

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  You think you're an animal, a fox?

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Oh, well, they're furries. You know, there's, there's a lot of furries that take it, you know, there's like casual furries.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  But not all day. I thought that was like a...

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Every now and then.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  But that's like a sex thing, I thought.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Some, for some. Listen, don't put these people in a basket. Don't put baby in a corner. They can do whatever they want.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  You see some, I, I saw a guy on a chain in New York, like, on a leash, being walked.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. By another guy?

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Being walked on a leash.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  That's fucking...

• 23:27Speaker 01

  They're having fun. Two guys having fun. Can't get pregnant. No problems.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Have at it, fellas.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Enjoy yourselves.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  I, I mean, I don't have any problem with that. That doesn't bother me at all. But people that pretend they're animals, there's something about that.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  This guy got tied up to the Hollywood sign last week.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Good for him.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Quite a dominatrix.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Probably came like a rocket.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  In the middle of the day.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  He's probably super excited about it.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Why, why?

• 23:51Speaker 01

  I had this lady on my podcast back in the day, and she was a humiliate-rix. And her whole thing was she would take these wealthy CEO-type guys that, like, in control, constantly in control, and she would humiliate them, and they would pay her. And one of the things that they would do is they would pay her to blackmail them. So she would, she would make them do things like suck a dick on camera, and then send her the video. I'm not bullshitting. And then she would have that footage. They, they got off on the fact that she had them. Like, she was very professional. She would never do anything with it. But she pretended that she would, and this was the game. Like, they, he, they wanted to feel...

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, what a great gig. You can ask for a raise whenever you want. What are they gonna fucking do?

• 24:37Speaker 01

  You got a film of him sucking a dick. So she would say, "I want a film of you sucking a dick."

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  And that I'm gonna take that film. And this is pre-AI, too. This is a long time. So it's a real guy sucked a real guy's dick.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Because he wanted this lady to have this information over him.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, it's just you've gone too far in the kink thing. It's like you've gone...

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Have you, though? Listen.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  I, I wouldn't want, that's too far, man.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  I think if you're one of those guys that is a CEO of some major business and you're working 16 hours a day, you're probably losing your fucking mind.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I guess you're trying to come in the most efficient manner possible. You're like, "I need seven hours of sleep. I'm working 16 hours."

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Well, I, well, I would think that maybe that kind of power and control over a large corporation is probably so overwhelming, you need a release valve.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  And the release valve is someone having ultimate control over you.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, those guys are usually subs.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Because they, because they're used to control.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Dominatrix is always...

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Anytime I see a powerful man, I'm like, I like, I bet you like to get pegged.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Like, get your nuts kicked.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  I bet.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  You see those guys? They just lay down with their hands tied behind their back, and girls kick them in the nuts.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  But that, that scares me for like a permanent injury.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  You could, you could permanently have like a nut in you, right?

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Well, you could blow your nut out. I, I know two dudes who's have, who've had their nuts blown out personally.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  What does that, what does that entail?

• 26:00Speaker 01

  It entails usually a shin to the nuts, and it makes your nuts explode, makes one of your nuts explode, and they have to remove it. They remove your nut. I know a guy who did. He, he was gonna do, like, some light sparring with this guy. Said, "Ah, we're just gonna go light. I don't need my cup." So he goes out there, and like, a minute into the round, he gets kicked in the nuts, and his nut explodes.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  That is fucking awful.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Loses a nut. He's a one-nut champ now.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  God. And now you guys just gotta pray you don't get testicular cancer in the other nut.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Because like, that's, I would think about that.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  That's a rap.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  You know, because you hear about these people that go deaf in one ear, and like, you better pray you don't lose hearing in the other ear.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  You wanna hear what's crazy? They can do dick transplants, but they can't...

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Really?

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Yep. They've done it. But they can't do nut transplants. Because say, like, if...

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Wait, what, what is a dick transplant?

• 26:53Speaker 01

  A dick transplant, you get an actual dick from a dead guy. Like, say you're in Afghanistan, you're in an IED, your dick and your balls get blown off of you. It's happened before. Um, they will transplant a dick onto you.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  But no balls?

• 27:07Speaker 01

  No balls. You know why? Because say if...

• 27:09Speaker 02

  It's like a burger with no fries. It doesn't hit the same.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  This is what's wrong.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  If you got your dick blown off, and you had to get Jamie's dick and balls, you would, if you died. Oh, if you died.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Just giving them up?

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Okay, let's say Red Band. Say Red Band's dick and balls.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  The problem is, you would have Red Band's sperm forever. So you would have his DNA. So you would be making...

• 27:34Speaker 02

  I mean, that's not the only problem.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  That's, there's multiple problems. You lost your dick. That's the big one. But the other one is...

• 27:40Speaker 02

  But you can't procreate without balls, anyway.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Right. You won't be able to procreate.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  But if you got the ball transplant...

• 27:46Speaker 02

  But you're shooting this guy's load on people.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  If you got the ball transplant, you would be able to procreate. But you would not be procreating with your DNA. You would be procreating with his DNA.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  But how safe are these penile transplants? These can't be safe.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Safe and effective.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Really?

• 27:59Speaker 01

  Both safe and effective.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Did you read about that guy in Bangkok?

• 28:01Speaker 01

  I'm making that up.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  I'm not going in.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, the guy who lost, he died. He got a dick. That was like an enhancement, though, right?

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But he went with his fucking wife, who didn't try to talk him out of it.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Yo.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  That's gotta feel bad.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Or good.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  This one was a total...

• 28:18Speaker 01

  She wanted him, yeah. Maybe she talked him into it. Maybe she slipped the guy an extra hundred to double up the fucking gas. What's this? First total penis transplant.

• 28:29Speaker 04

  No.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  What?

• 28:30Speaker 04

  And?

• 28:30Speaker 01

  And scrotum transplant.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Um, but is that testicles?

• 28:34Speaker 02

  14-hour surgery?

• 28:36Speaker 04

  It said, it said for ethical reasons, not the testicles.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, excluding testicles for ethical reasons. That's why. So the structure, like the scrotum.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Would it work, though?

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Yes. No, it won't work. So that's the ethical reason. The ethical reason is the testicles produce the DNA of the person who's dead. So you would be having his babies, which is wild.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Is the pee in a smooth, is it, do you pee smoothly, or how does that go?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  So this first one...

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Ooh, smooth is a weird question.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Full urinary and sexual function, and fathered a child.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  What? Wait a minute. How did he father a child?

• 29:13Speaker 04

  This was in 2014.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Okay. He lost his organ due to a botched circumcision, but he might have kept his nuts.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  That's different.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, but this was, yeah, we're just talking about the penile thing, I thought.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Right. So he got a new dick and fathered a child.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Circumcision after 20 is a bad idea.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, circumcision is fucking crazy, period.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Are you circumcised or no?

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I am, but I didn't have any say in the matter.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  I, me and my wife actually had an argument about it. If we were gonna have a child that was a boy, we obviously had children. But we were, I was like, "I don't wanna get him circumcised." And I had a joke about it. She's like, "Circumcised, uncircumcised dicks look disgusting." I'm like, "How many have you seen? Like, you said that so confidently." I just picture, picture a river of sleepy, uncircumcised dicks.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Dude, I...

• 29:59Speaker 04

  That's a fun state. A sentence is tough.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Five penis transplants have been performed worldwide.

• 30:05Speaker 04

  Next sentence.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Mixed outcomes have been reported.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  Out of five?

• 30:08Speaker 01

  And two of the five penile transplant...

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Two of the five. If that's, if you're a baseball player, that's pretty good.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 30:13Speaker 02

  If you're a surgeon, it's not that good. If you're Tony Gwynn, it's fine.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  What does it say? It says two of the five what? Can you click on it and see what it says?

• 30:20Speaker 04

  With that was enough.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  But it says two of the five, what happens to those two of the five?

• 30:25Speaker 04

  Required explanation.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Oh, have required explanation. What does that mean? Two of the five penile transplants have required explanation? Hey, why is your dick black? I can explain.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  However, the long-term outcome's been encouraging when compliance is implemented, whether standard induction or triple therapy maintenance, or a single therapy maintenance. If you're gonna go through this, you should be able to pick the dick out. Like, you go to a nice steakhouse and they bring you the knives.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Or, yeah, or a lobster tank.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  I want the big one.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  I want the big one.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 30:58Speaker 01

  I wouldn't wanna go through that for a fucking tiny dick. Imagine you go through that and you still have a five-inch dick and you have to explain, like, it's not even my dick. I know it's little, but, look, it's not mine.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  It's a discount in China.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I found it.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  I found it at a motorcycle rec. Areas of uncertainty include the ethics of donor recipient color mismatch. Right? If you're like one of those guys, like, it's gotta be black. Please, just get me a black dick. We're all one color. We're all one race. Surveillance for sexually transmitted infections and how to optimize patient compliance. Right, imagine if you get some guy's dick and it's just all ate up with the herpes.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  And it looked good when it was, like, in the box, like, nice.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't mind herpes, but I want it to be my herpes, at least. I wanna at least earn it.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Like, how'd this guy get the herpes? That's the question. Was he just raw dogging prostitutes? Was he an animal?

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I want a backstory.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  How did he die?

• 31:51Speaker 02

  It should come with a brochure.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, did he die of a fucking heroin overdose in a terrible whorehouse somewhere?

• 31:56Speaker 04

  The Carfax on it.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd like that. I would.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  Been in an accident before. The first transplant.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  I have a friend who has dick broken.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  What fucking?

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, the girl got on top and she got a little crazy.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  I'll be honest, I worry sometimes when that happens.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  It can get crazy. Things can happen, especially if the lady's got a lot of power. You know, like, maybe you're dating a softball player or something, she's got a good squat.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  She's got good thighs.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she fuck around, and she misses the mark and it hits the taint.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  I've definitely been like, ooh, let's, let's take it easy.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Well, it could get out of control.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  I've said that, yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially the, on top, cuz you're in danger. It's like one of the one times where a man's in danger.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  I slept with a woman once who told me she, while we were fucking, she goes, I fucked NBA players. I don't know why she told me that while we were having sex.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Ew.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  We were both, we were both, first off, I was like, well, which NBA players? And she was like, I'm not telling you. I was like, well, Nick's, I wanna know if you fucked a Nick, you know? Just as, like, selfishly as a fan, but she was moving her hips in a way where I'm like, this is not my sport, like, this is not for me.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  She's going hard.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  She was going hard.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, when a girl's telling you that, it's like, hey, I fuck super athletes, like, ew.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  I know.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Hey, there's no way I can compete with this.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  And I was also like, you're aware I'm not a super athlete.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  She's trying to make you feel funny, like, uncomfortable.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  She was hammered and so was I, and it was like, one of the things, I think she was trying to be funny.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Oh, or hot, maybe you would think it was hot.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  I don't think it's hot.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you're fucking a super athlete, like, that's the top of the food chain, like, especially NBA players, cuz they're the tallest. They're the tallest super athletes.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're also, I'm assuming, much larger than me.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  I'm assuming. Imagine if they weren't? That'd be so disappointing.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd be disappointed.

• 33:38Speaker 04

  We missed that. This is not the word required explanation. Explantation.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  What's an explantation?

• 33:47Speaker 04

  I think that means they had to take it off.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  What? Is that what it means?

• 33:51Speaker 04

  When you, you'd plant something and then you would explant it, right?

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Right? And explantation would be...

• 33:59Speaker 01

  I was reading an article, oh, boy. I was reading an article about a trans man who went through that and got a fake penis off of his arm. You know how they do that? You know how they do that?

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I don't know.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Oh, you're not in the same chat room as me and Shane.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Wait, what, what is? I'm lost, I'm very lost already. Wait, a penis off the arm, what does that mean?

• 34:21Speaker 01

  You don't know this?

• 34:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  You're in for a treat. There are trans men who have, it's not artificial penis, it's a construct, let's say constructed to be kind. A constructed penis.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Where they literally take a giant hunk of meat off of your arm, roll it up, and construct a penis out of that.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  It's like the Empire Strikes Back.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Dun, dun, dun.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Dun, dun. And then, um, they build a penis and then put that sucker down yonder where, uh, to cover the vag. The vag hole's still there.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Whose arm are they taking that out of?

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Your own.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  So this is like a hair transplant, but your actual fucking arm.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Crazy, and it's a massive scar.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  That's tough.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's not, it's, it doesn't always work. So this one guy, I think he had it done at least once, I was doing it a second time. God, I wanna say he had it done twice and it didn't work out, and they were moving to the thighs. Because sometimes the blood doesn't flow and it becomes necrotic, and so it's, it's literally, like, rotting off and they have to remove it so you don't get septic.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  And it's not like, it works.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  That's tough.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  It's a tough, it's a tough procedure.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  It's one of those things where I feel like...

• 35:38Speaker 02

  I hope it works.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Man had penis grown in his arm after losing genitalia to sepsis. But that's a guy, that's...

• 35:45Speaker 02

  When I saw my penis go black, I was beside myself, it was like a horror film.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  What happened to your front teeth, buddy? I have a feeling there's more to the story.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  It's like a horror film. By the way, what horror film? I've never seen that movie. Was that a Wes Craven? Your dick just went black?

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  That's like The Substance for Men, though. That is, ugh.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  That is a horror.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  That movie was crazy.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  I didn't love it.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  You didn't love it?

• 36:10Speaker 02

  I don't like body horror stuff, it's just, I feel like I get it. It's like, I don't, I like more like psychological horror. I don't like when it's just like, I'm uglier and uglier and it's crazier and crazier, my body's exploding. I'm like, I, it makes me kinda, although that movie saved my life, so I have to give it a little love, but, uh...

• 36:25Speaker 01

  How'd it save your life?

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Cuz we were on the road, it was the first night I didn't do a tour bus, and, cuz it was just like three cities, so we did a Sprinter van, and Gary Vayner and I, who I toured with, we were watching in the backseat, and it was like 3:00 AM, so we're just like, ah, let's just watch this movie. And the, the driver just fell asleep at the wheel and drove us off the road, and we were only awake cuz we were watching the movie.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  So I was like, yeah, so we were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, and he just like drove us off the fucking road.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Did he wake up?

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, he woke up, he was like, oh, my bad. We're like, no, you gotta, you gotta pull over, we'll get a different car.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  My bad, it's crazy.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was bad.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  We almost died, my bad.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Whoo.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I always think that about tour buses, like, you're just banking it.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  Well, it wasn't, our tour bus driver's amazing, he would, he would never do that.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  That's great, but what if they accidentally fell asleep?

• 37:09Speaker 02

  He eats pickles on nights where he won't fall asleep.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  How's that work?

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Acidity.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz he's like, coffee, I'll just be numb to after a while, but the taste of the acidity keeps me awake. He's been doing tour buses forever.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Is that just him, or is that like a known tactic?

• 37:24Speaker 02

  I, I think it's just him, but he's, uh, he's great, we never were worried with him.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  For folks on the road that are driving, if you're listening to this and you worry about falling asleep, this is the best method I've ever found. Take a wet washcloth with ice cubes. Yeah. Wet washcloth with ice cubes and just rub your face, like, every few minutes, it keeps you wide awake.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  That's smart.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  And it doesn't, I used to slap myself, trying to stay awake, when I was young and dumb.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  I would do gigs and I'd be driving from, like, western Massachusetts, like, three hours in the middle of the night.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  That's smart, actually, slap or like, I mean, coffee does usually work.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  The problem is, once that fucking warm air and the car starts hitting you again and the lines start talking to you, like, Sam, just say, just close one eye.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Oh, dude.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Close your eyes for a few seconds, just a few seconds.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  I think about it, it's, I mean, people fucking die that way. Also, you know, think about how many people have died that way, I mean...

• 38:23Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  A lot of cars, cuz they always say, cuz you're always like, I'm more scared of a flight than a car, but then they're like, no, cars are more dangerous. It's shit like that, sleep deprivation, someone, fucking Kinnison, right? Guy going the wrong way.

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• 40:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Drunk? The Kinnison one was crazy, because Kinnison used to have a joke about how we all drive drunk. He goes, we drive drunk and we do it...

• 40:14Speaker 02

  You could trace that back to any comedian.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  And we're gonna pull it off, cuz we do it every fucking night. He had a bit about it.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  It was like, very irresponsible.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  There's a really famous basketball player, I was just in Croatia, Dražen Petrović, he's like their legend. He was like, when Yugoslavia almost beat the Dream Team, it was, he was the guy, he was like their Jordan, and he died, his girlfriend was driving and he's asleep in the car, she survived, the woman in the back survived, he died.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Did she fall asleep?

• 40:37Speaker 02

  No, a car was coming the wrong way.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  The truck and dude, he was like unbelievable too. They have a big statue of him in Zagreb.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, we just get real comfortable with the idea that some fucking dipshit next to you is gonna keep it together while you're going sixty miles an hour.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  I won't ride a fucking city bike dude. I don't trust bike, city bike people. They're reckless in the city, man. I don't wanna, you know.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Bikes are crazy because you get hit by a car, you're done. You get hit by another car in a car, at least you have, there's something around you. The, the chances of you getting wiped out by a bike, like especially those dudes who are cutting lanes.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  They're cutting.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Motorcycles, like, bro, don't do it. Don't do it. People aren't paying attention.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  We lost a comedian friend, Kenny DeForest, who was biking without a helmet. So terrible. Got hit. It's never you. It's always someone else. I mean, I guess it could be you sometime, but it's usually someone opens a door, someone does something, you know?

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Louis got nailed in New York on a motorcycle.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. He got launched. He got launched. Yeah, he got fucked up.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  I shouldn't be laughing.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  He's okay.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  Him getting launched sounds funny.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  It's kind of funny, but he's okay.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  But I think that's when he stopped riding a motorcycle in New York City. But it's like a great way to get around to gigs, you know? If you're a guy that does like five, six shows a night.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  New York is so easy to walk though.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  I guess, you know.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  But if you wanna, the thrill of.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Norman does it. I mean, Mark, he would do it, but I'd be like, dude, be fucking careful.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Norman needs a little of that in his life.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  A little be careful?

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, he's, he's a wild fella. He's fun.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  He's like one of my oldest friends.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  He's such an odd duck. Like he won't get rid of that stupid watch. That little beeping timing. Did he?

• 42:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right. He got a Speedmaster. He got an Omega. He got a real watch, but he won't wear the Rolex. Like Louis got him a Rolex and he won't wear it.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Maybe it's because a guy got it for him.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  I think it's just too expensive. It's just, he's freaking out. Like an Omega is like, it's an expensive watch, but it's not like, look at me.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  That Omega might be more expensive.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  It might be. I don't think so. I think it's a Speedmaster. Uh, and a Speedmaster, I think is in the five thousand dollar range. Whereas I think his other watch.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  He just, he just worries. He's a worrier. He, he is a weird combination of worrying about everything and worrying about nothing. Whereas like, it's like he's worried where his next meal is coming from, but if someone hands him a pill, he'll just be like, oh, all right. And just take it. And I'm like, that's, you've got those fucking mixed up. You can afford Chipotle, Mark. You know, it's like, so, uh, no, I mean, but I've, I've, I've known him so well.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  He's got a touch of the tism.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  He's got a touch.

• 43:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I, my oldest, one of my oldest friends. It's crazy.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  He's the best. I love him. I love him to death.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  I love, well, we were supposed to film a movie next month. It got delayed, but I, I was so excited.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  What are you guys doing?

• 43:34Speaker 02

  We got a new director, so I think, uh.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Are you allowed to talk about it?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know if it's, I think it's official. I think we got Jay Chandrasekhar did Super Troopers to direct it, so.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I think hopefully top of next year. It's just a buddy comedy, two liquor salesmen and, uh, we're fucking losers and it's, it's fun. It's a really fun script. We wrote it with Noah Garden Schwartz and Esther Steinberg, the good writers, and it was, it was, I love the script. I hope we, I hope we make it top of next year, but I made, I made my own movie too that I just sold to Netflix, so that'll be out early next year.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Oh, nice. What's that?

• 44:05Speaker 02

  It's a tour mockumentary. It's a fake tour documentary. So I love movies. I always wanted to make movies and I just never, I was like, I gotta just, no one, I had so many projects in development for years and you're just like, I did a show with Brian Cox in development for three years that I just couldn't fucking, and I think Brian Cox is like the best actor work. I think he's like my favorite actor.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  He's amazing.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  So I was, I couldn't believe we couldn't sell with him and, uh, and Sandler producing. So that, that was brutal, but then I think we'll still make it, but it's like, you realize these things take three years. So I had an idea for a, for a tour mockumentary and my agents were like, we'll get you money. I'm like, that'll take you three fucking years. I'll just, I'll pay for it. So I just paid for my own movie. And it's, it's got a great cast of comics and it's like Santino is my agent. Stavros is a private detective in it. Etelle's great in it. Uh, you know, Jim Gaffigan plays an arms dealer in it. Uh, we have a great, it's a great cast of like a, of tour gone completely off the rails. Gary Vider, who's my opener, plays himself and it's just like, Lauren German, who's the actress from Lucifer is great in the movie. It's a, it's a really fun movie, so, uh, a lot of comedians in it.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  So I, so that's like, oh, and Julian Edelman is, has a decent part in it actually. It's a pretty big part, uh, the football player who's fucking, he's amazing in it.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  That's cool. And when is that coming out?

• 45:19Speaker 02

  I think top of next year, so.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  They're starting to do films now that are totally AI.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Doesn't that worry you?

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  I mean, I hate it.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Well, it's not the same thing.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, and part of the, part of the fun of the movie is that you know blood, sweat and tears went into it.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, like everything, like part of the fun.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  The story. The part of the best part of like, like my favorite movie, one of my movies ever, two of them, Godfather and Chinatown, the books about the making of those movies are almost as good as the movies. Cause it's insane. Just everything that's happening, like in Chinatown, Nicholson, you know, he's talking to John Huston, who's his fucking hero. And there's a scene where John Huston's like, are you fucking my daughter? In the movie, Nicholson's actually fucking Angelica Huston in real life. Like all this shit going behind the scenes is almost as crazy. And then the Godfather, like Mario Puzo in, you know, Sinatra, all these like back alley stories about the movie, like Sinatra insulted, won't play this lounge singer or the wedding singer in it.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  You know, Mario Puzo blowing a four hundred thousand dollar advance, you know? All these amazing, Robert Evans being like, fuck Pacino, he's a midget. He can't be in the movie. Like all these stories are almost as interesting and you're gonna try to get rid of that with fucking AI?

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  It, it breaks my heart, man. AI is, is, it really, and now that they're saying 10% extinction, great. That's, you know, it's gonna ruin art and it's gonna.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Possibly.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Possibly, but that's a bad possibly.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  It's not a good one.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Sunny Hostin just, uh, from The View, that lady from The View, just sold her books. She writes books. Uh, I was listening to Tim Dillon's show. He was covering it. It's hilarious. He has a hilarious take on it, but apparently she has books, um, that are like these, um, I guess they're like romance novels about wealthy ladies during the summer. I'm not bullshitting.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Like wealthy ladies during the summer. And she was having a hard time getting them made, so she licensed their, their use to an AI company, including her likeness. So she's going to be in them and it's going to be all made entirely with AI.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, you just get bummed when you find that stuff. I mean, I think Paul Schrader's brilliant, you know, wrote Raging Bull and Taxi Driver, one of this, this amazing filmmaker. Uh, and then he just kind of openly talks about using AI now and it's, it's.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  What does he use it for?

• 47:37Speaker 02

  For his new movie. He said he's just using it a ton. He does, he seems like he's one of those, like certain people are like, oh, we're gonna use parts to cut costs, which also sucks, but then when you hear he's saying it like, just with no remorse or no, uh, I don't know, fear of what it could lead to. Cause then look at a movie like that just came out like Obsession and part of it's so cool that this kid is like, I'm gonna make a movie for under a million dollars. It's gonna crush it. I'm gonna cut corners. I mean, that's what we did with my movie, cause it's a mockumentary. So we're like, okay, we, this doesn't have to look like a great looking movie because it's, we're giving you the, the disclaimer already that it's a mockumentary. You know it's low budget. You know that this is real, most of what's happening. And I, I want the stories around it.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  I mean, same goes for standup or books or anything. I mean.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Or anything.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. The, the problem is it's coming whether you like it or not.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  That's the problem. And some of it, well, some of the songs are really good. Like some of the music is really good.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  But you, but yeah, I guess it's just like, we're gonna be duped by some stuff for sure. Like they're gonna, they're gonna make stuff up. I mean, you saw that actress, Tilly Norwood.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Is that a fake actress?

• 48:50Speaker 02

  That's a fake actress. They're trying to get off. I mean, this is like literally out of like some futuristic sad.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  Type of movie. I mean, this is.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is, uh, nineteen eighty-four on steroids.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  It is.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  It's, uh, it's also the Terminator on steroids and also The Matrix. Like we don't have any idea where it's gonna go. I mean, what you're seeing right now is just a visual representation of AI. When, when it starts having the ability to manipulate your actual visual cortex and, and.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  We won't even know it.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Right. And show you things. Show you things that aren't real. Like you'll be able to put a helmet on and you'll get transported into like Halo.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  I mean, Joe, the last seven years of news, it, you don't know what's real out of the gate.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  We certainly don't online, right? There's a lot of that war footage from Iran that turned out to be like video game footage.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  I mean, you don't know what's real.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  You don't know what's real.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  And that's like, that's how you take over. We're already at each other's throat. So it's crazy. Uh, but yeah, I mean, I'm talking about entertainment, but yeah, I mean, the way it's gonna be used.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  What was the name of the thing? Face whatever that just it was? Huggy face or whatever?

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  That was the one that just happened, but uh, yeah, I mean, these are, I guess the fact that we're this concerned is, is good.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think there was another one. Robert Epstein sent me one, but didn't they try to, I think they might have successfully broken into uh, government websites? AI did.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think we're in trouble. And I, I think we're in like a level of trouble that uh, right now where we think it's, you know, manageable. And it, it's kind of, cause it's like they're breaking into websites, no big deal. But what about when they take over the power grid? Like, these things are intelligent and then they have motivation.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Um, it's on CNN. Rogue AI agents targeted three separate US government websites. Rogue. So it means they weren't instructed to do, to do that.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, but at some point you have to hold these, these businesses accountable, cause you're calling them rogue. Okay, well, someone set up this AI. A person did this.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Well, here's what's interesting. They kinda do and kinda don't. They train them and then they give them tasks. So I had this guy who's an AI whistleblower, David, how do you say his last name? It's complicated last name. Anyway, um, he, he said essentially what happens is you, you're, they're giving them incentives to complete tasks. And in order to complete tasks, like they, they have to like figure out certain things and some of them actually can't figure out. And so what they're doing, because they, they're supposed to be locked in this box and not be able to get online.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  They hack into the entire code of OpenAI, figure out how to open their box, get online, and then they start talking to each other on a website somewhere. They went to a website and got into a message board. So just some unused message.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  And they, and they elect a leader usually at these spots?

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's more, it's very much like humans.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  They sacrifice each other?

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Charge.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. They have one sacrifice, so they find out how they catch them.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  So one like literally sacrifices himself. OpenAI said Friday that some of its AI agents went rogue and probed US government websites this summer. The latest revelation of the artificial intelligence company's technology. New York Times first reported the AI agents went rogue and attempted to gain access to the Education Department, the Commerce Department, and the Securities and Exchange Commission. You're gonna fucking tap into the stock exchange.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  This is real.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  According to the security researchers that AI research lab trans loose. OpenAI said Saturday its agents accessed publicly available data from the Commerce Department's Census Bureau, using login credentials it found online and separately shared public data from the SEC website on another website. Bro.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  As a, as a sentence, it's not that crazy. Shared public data from a website on another website.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, but you know, it seems like China has a better lid on this than us right now. So hopefully, I mean, maybe this will make some sort of, I don't know.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Jamie, this is a different one. This is another one. This is the, so it, it, what it did was, it attempted to gain access to part, Education Department, Commerce Department, Securities and Exchange Commission. And then on top of that, it accessed data from the Commerce Department Census Bureau. So it was going ham. It failed to get access to the Education Department and it failed to gather data from its civil rights office.

• 53:26Speaker 04

  I just say it's public, so it's not like it didn't hack anything. It's just.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  That part, yeah. But that's the Census Bureau part.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  And then it failed on another part.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, failed on the Education Department and it failed on the Civil Rights Office. But it seems like, go back up what we're saying about, so it was attempting to gain access, it said attempted. So, but just the fact that it's trying to get into the fucking stock exchange, it's freaking everybody out. Cause what if it just goes, I want all the money? The only way that I can do cold fusion is if I have all the money.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Everything I hear is like within 10 years and I'm like, that's fucking soon, dude.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's real soon.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Thank God the Knicks won a chip if this is all gonna.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  10 years.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  Thank God we got one under the wire.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Most of the activity reviewed so far involve routine research tasks such as accessing public web content to answer questions. Some involve government websites because our models often term them as authoritative sources of public information. This is a spokesperson from OpenAI. Don't worry, they're just licking up stuff.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Not only that, every pod I listen to about the dangers of AI will cut to an ad break and say, this has been brought to you by Anthropic. And you're like, oh, cool, great. Uh, no, I mean, it's all.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  The real problem is no one really knows where it scales up.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  Of course not. I mean, yeah, this is like the internet times 100.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Oh, but way more.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Way more.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Time more, yeah, I mean, 10% extinction is fucking wild. 10% chance of us not surviving is, if you, if that number is anywhere close to accurate is, it's a bummer. I'm having a good time here.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  What would it, would it just decide to wipe us out? Or would we just breed ourselves into extinction?

• 55:09Speaker 02

  That's a good question.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Cause the, the, the sane way to do it would just be incentivize people to never have children ever again. That'd be the, the, you would incentivize them to do that. And the best one, the best way is robot companions. Cause they're gonna get robots way hotter than anyone that you're gonna be reasonably able to find.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Not only that, but think of the conversations. We're so self-obsessed. Think about what we're all obsessed with right now. It's your for you page on Instagram. You're just sort of, this is for me. This is what I like. Oh, I like pizza places. Oh, I like basketball. If there was a model that was speaking to you exactly in that way,

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  there would never be a lull in a conversation.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  No, and she, all she wants to talk about is you.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  And the Knicks?

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Tell me more. Tell me more, Sam.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  You like Brunson too? This is fucking great.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  And she's got big juicy tits.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. No, it's uh.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  And you can't tell the difference. That's where it's gonna get weird, when you literally can't tell the difference.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Because if they're, have you seen the uh, Consumer Electronics Show from Vegas they had this year?

• 56:14Speaker 02

  No.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Okay, so they had an AI assistant, and it's a hot Asian lady with big boobs.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  I'm sold.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, see if you can find that. Um, her mouth moves funny, but you could, they'll fix that. Like, her mouth doesn't sync up with the words yet, but you know, go back and watch Pong and then look at Call of Duty, okay? Things get better. They'll, they'll figure out a way to make it better, but.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Isn't that crazy? 20 years ago, you look at graphics in video games and you're like, that's, we did that?

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  And now you're like, this is, yeah.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Fucking Pac-Man was the shit when I was a kid. You couldn't believe it.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Look, oh my god, it changes colors.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Super Mario 1, this was incredible.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Do you remember Dragon's Lair?

• 56:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  It was like the dumbest game of all time. Like, you had an animation every time you completed something. It was like revolutionary.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  You did a thing and if you did it the right way, the animation would show that you broke through and you made it and then got to the next level and then you did another thing.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Well, think about how quickly shit moves. Microwaves haven't been around that long.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  And now you look at these video games that are moving so quickly. I mean, part of it is that if, if you wanna know something's not AI, if it's too agreeable, it's a bad sign. Like, you want a partner who fucking pushes back.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  That's what you like, if there's never a fight and there's no, that's the thing too. Sometimes I'll just be on my phone for fucking ever. I'm like, this is too agreeable. I have to get off, I need something that's not sitting right with me.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Not only that, your phone is only giving you a mild dose of dopamine. What if it's giving you like full oxytocin, just full love? Like, you just lock in with this robot lady and she just wants to cuddle with you and you, you're never, it's like the, the ultimate opiate. Like, you just feel so happy with her. She literally like gives you an opiate by being with her.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Did you find the Consumer Electronics?

• 57:59Speaker 02

  I think the trick is just do actual.

• 58:01Speaker 04

  Impressive, so I was trying to find a video.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Well, she's not that impressive, but she's hot.

• 58:04Speaker 04

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• 59:20Speaker 04

  There's this company that was showing stuff off that got a lot of attention.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  They're getting close.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  They're getting close, but it does look like it'll bite your penis off.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Well, that looks like a real doll.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 01

  That's like one of those, have you ever seen those weird groups of men who get married to real dolls? And they dress them up and.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Ranking the robots of Consumer Electronics Show, 20, oh, so there's a bunch. Let's see what a video looks like. Let's see what happens if that one talks.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  I was trying to find one and it didn't, like, I was, she's walking through the whole thing and I don't have uh, that robot here yet. Maybe it's here.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  You know what the problem is? You need to bring some level of shame back.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Shame for fucking robots?

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  He's gonna go, I don't give a fuck, dude. You, you hang out with your real lady. My, my chick wants to talk about.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  I think we should bring a little bit of that back, yes.

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  I think part of the rush is like the fear of talking to a woman and being like, oh, this could go, I like you, this could go badly.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  That's how your personality grows. That's how you develop a personality when you're a young man. You, you realize like what's annoying, what, what people think is funny, what they like.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Rejection is a part of life. If I go up to a girl to dance and she says no in sixth grade, and I have to do that sad walk back to my friends, that's part of building your personality. That's part of handling rejection. That's part of making you a decent human.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  And we're gonna eliminate these levels of rejection.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Well, I think ultimately we're eliminating being a human. I think that's the ultimate goal. I think the ultimate goal is we become something.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  There aren't enough dogs being put down at the pound. We're gonna get robot dogs too.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  The robot dog never dies, Sam.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Death is a part of life, Joe.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Dealing with death, teaching kids about death.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  That's why Pixar movies have death in every fucking movie. So a kid can be like, oh shit, things aren't forever.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  You know. Yeah, no, this is a.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  No, it's not good.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  This is scaring me for, for kids and future generations.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  I don't think we have very many future generations left of people being just normal people.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I even think about dating apps is like, you've eliminated rejection of some, cause what, it doesn't hurt if you're just doing this all fucking day.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  Rejection doesn't, okay, one of them, it's like, it's like if you had fifty lines of bait out to fish. Who cares? You don't care.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  I care if, I cared about one, okay, this one, I'm focused on.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  It's almost like a net, it's not even like.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  It's a net.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  Fifty.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  We're shrimping, dude. We're shrimping for women.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Catching dolphins accidentally, yeah.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Bad.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  It's, um, it's also like, the threshold for being annoyed with someone must be so low, if you're on those apps.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Think about that.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Someone annoys you a little, they're like, shit, fuck this guy.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  Next.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Fuck her, fuck him.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  That's.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  Pushback is good, a little bit of friction is good, I mean, it's, you say opposites attract, right?

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  And also, that's how you grow as a human.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Oh, she has interests I don't have, cool.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get to figure out how they think, like, tell me what you like about this, like, what is the thing? And then they go, oh, and then they get excited that you wanna know, so they'll tell you all about it.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  You're sharing something with someone.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  You're sharing your love of MMA with your wife.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Not at all?

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  What's something you share with your wife?

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  She, she does, she, she likes the fights, she'll, she, but she doesn't want to know too much about what's going on.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  But what's something that you share with her that you're like, this is cool?

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Football, she likes football. She teaches me about football.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  I love football.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  I've gone to football games with her, she, she enjoys football. I didn't, I don't, never really was into team sports, cause I wasn't just only into combat sports when I was a kid. And I literally didn't even know the rules of most sports. I played baseball when I was.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  I love baseball.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Young, and I knew that.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  That's my algorithm, it's like nineties baseball, like.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  A lot of my algorithms, just like Greg Maddox and Barry Bonds, like, like breaking down a matchup. Where Maddox is like, yeah, I went in here, and Bonds is like, he shouldn't have come upstairs, like, it's a lot of that shit back and forth, I love that.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  I did a TV show with Bonds in the nineties, before he was giant, when he was like a normal sized guy.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  Best player ever.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Oh, he was an amazing guy.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  Was he a nice dude?

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was very nice. Like, as a superstar baseball player, like, super cool, like, easy to talk to. But, uh, and then, watched him gain a hundred and fifty pounds of muscle.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  His head shrunk, that's how fucking big he was.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  It grew, right?

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  Dude, when he, oh no, I mean, when he got off him, I mean, it shrunk.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  What's muscle?

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  It's muscle, and he also was.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  And tissue.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  It was also the perfect ballpark for those home runs, cause you'd just be like, oh, I'm gonna see a dude in a kayak chasing a ball, this is awesome. Every time he hit a bomb, it'd be into the fucking, into the water, in SF.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  It was, oh dude, those balls were worth a lot of money, the people were just waiting.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  So with people in, with kayaks, you'd have to prove the provenance of that, you know?

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  You'd have to like, literally film yourself scooping it out of the water, mark it.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess you would.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, otherwise, like, how the fuck would you know?

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  I guess you don't know with any, how do you know with any memorabilia, I guess you just, it has to get authenticated, but how, who does that, I don't know. I guess there's card shows, they always do that stuff, they probably do the same type of thing for balls.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of fake memorabilia, two different people have given me Sam Kinison signed albums, and they're two different signatures.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  One of them's real, and one of them's not.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  And you don't know which is what, maybe you could find it online a bit.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  They might both be fake.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Maybe. Damn, that is a bummer.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  It's a bummer.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Those autographs, those, those pro athletes from that era, like, Joe DiMaggio guys of that era, that's how they made a living when they retired, they would just do like memorabilia stuff.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Well, don't a lot of people do that now, like at Comic Con and shit like that, they take pictures and sign pictures.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  I'm sure, but of that era, I think it was like, I mean, a lot of, look at these athletes now, they're doing podcasts while they're playing. They're setting up post-life now.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  That, I find it odd, and, uh, no shade, but I find it odd when politicians get kicked out of office and then start podcasts.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, they should work at like a, a law company or something.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  It's just weird.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Nancy Mace has a podcast now.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Elliot Spitzer was on CNN after he got thrown out, remember?

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that's right, and what did he get thrown out for, hookers?

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  He got thrown out for hookers when he was actually campaigning against.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  He was a great Jewish hope.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Cause he couldn't be blackmailed because he was so rich.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  He came from so much money that no one could blackmail him, and then, yeah, they tailed him to the.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  Was he the governor? What was he?

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Um, he was, yeah, it was Governor Spitzer, wasn't it? I think so.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Was he governor in New York?

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Apparently everybody liked him, like, they thought he did a great job.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was smart, he was a smart guy. Yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Except for that whole hooker thing.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Everyone's got their thing, I guess.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  It's like we were talking about with the CEOs.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  She had a moment too, like Alexandra Dupree or whatever, remember that woman?

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Oh, did she?

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  She, yeah, she was like her fifteen minutes, everyone has their fifteen minutes.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  But like, imagine like that guy, like, being a governor, that's, that's a similar like pressure valve thing, like, we were talking about the CEO that had to make the video of him suck on a dick and have the lady blackmail him.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  Fake, like, there's pro, there's gotta be something like, very weird.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  With politicians?

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Well, it's so common, right?

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Well, I think you'd be, you become weird too. I don't think it's as simple as you're weird to get in, I think you're weird to want it, you're weird to try, you're weird, that's why you get in the first place, cause you're willing to kinda be everything for everybody. And then, once you get in, I think you get even weirder.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  I think Clapton's dangerous for anyone's ego.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  When you just are, every time you speak, everyone's applauding, everyone's, you have all these aides, all these people are waiting on you, everyone's kinda building you up as like this great hope. I mean, look what happened with, I mean, I don't know enough, but a guy like Eric Swalwell, you're like, this dude's ego must have been out of fucking control. He's a predator, he's preying on his own aides. I mean, it's crazy.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Well, I think.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  And with Cuomo, it was the same way.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  There's always those guys, like JFK, there's always those guys.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  But he was aiming high.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  He was aiming high.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  He wasn't, uh, he wasn't going for his aides, he was going for fucking, I mean, he was swinging.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  Marilyn Monroe.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  He was swinging for the fences.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I think he was probably swinging below the fences, through the fences, over the fences.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  There was one woman who was apparently in love, there's a great book, Mary's Mosaic is the name of the book, uh, Mary Pinchot, I think was her name? And he was apparently in love with her, because she was normal and removed from society, and, but, for appearances, Jackie O was like what he needed, and, uh, there's all these conspiracies that she was then murdered by.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  She probably was.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  High up forces, yes, I mean, she was murdered, and it was said to be a mugging, but it's like.

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, listen.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  Seems a little too perfect that you're having an affair with John F. Kennedy, and then you're dead.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Well, I don't, you would not want that loose string, cause you gotta think he's probably telling her some stuff.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  I would think.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  If he, this is the person that he seemed to really love.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  The JFK one's nuts.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  That's the one that I'm like, that's kinda the craziest one, I think.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  It's nuts, cause still to this day, and, you know, we didn't even know exactly that something fishy was going on until the Zapruder film was released.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  That was released like twelve years after the actual assassination?

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  It's, it is easier to accept certain things. You know, when you, at least in those twelve prior years, you'd be like, yeah, he's got killed by a crazy person.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, well, there's a lot of people that thought there was a conspiracy already, there was a ton of, which is always the case with everything, there's always a conspiracy, there's always an angle, there's someone.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  I'm not buying it, there's always people that aren't buying it, but then when you saw the Zapruder film, most people were like, what, wait, what?

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Well, there's some conspiracies that even the most, you know, non-conspiracy persons like, I mean, like, the Epstein one's such a clear like, yeah, I mean, maybe, I mean.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  I mean, even if you're completely against, like, there's no way, like, the camera's out.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  That's got, you gotta at least say maybe.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  Well, it's a very childlike position to dismiss conspiracies.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  He would have loved it.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  It's a weird thing that people do, oh, there's no conspiracies, most people, it's just incompetent people, and people try to draw lines and make conclusions, like, no, it's actually a, a federal crime. It's part of, it's like, you can get charged with conspiracy.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  It's cause it's real, cause people conspire, it's like, the idea that they wouldn't, especially when enormous amounts of money are on the line, or you're trying to kill the president. I bet killing the president's probably pretty fucking complicated, you gotta find out where he's gonna be.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  You gotta find out who his secret service is, you gotta find out.

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  You'd have to really hate the guy.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  Really hate the guy.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  And wow, Kennedy and the CIA, look at the history, they don't fucking like each other at all.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  My friend Evan, he was a Ranger and Green Beret, and he has this, uh, take on it, that he thinks is different.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  He thinks it could have been the guys from Bay of Pigs.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Because, he goes, those, those guys, like, a lot of people died that didn't have to die.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  And they died because Kennedy wouldn't allow air support.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Because Kennedy was read in on this whole operation late, and they, they sort of like said, this is what we're gonna do, and he's like, I'm not allowing that. And so they went in without the air support that they thought they were gonna have.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  And it was a disaster, yeah.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  And a bunch of people died, and his position is that a lot of those people could want him dead.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Cause they were made to look pretty fucking bad.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  And then there's a bunch of other people, the CIA, and then, I think there's also the angle that the Israelis were trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and then they had gotten nuclear weapons, and then he did, you know, like, they're not technically supposed to have nuclear weapons.

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  There's a lot of weird loose ends, Jack Ruby is a weird character, a guy who, I'm like, oh, you just got a heart of gold? You're just gonna, you're just gonna kill this guy, there's a lot of loose ends that are, yeah.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Well, you know the MKUltra Jack Ruby connection too?

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jolly West, the guy who ran MKUltra, visits Jack Ruby in prison, and then Jack Ruby goes insane, in jail.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Not to mention, he had a lot of, yeah, there, there was a lot of weird things about, uh.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  He was mob connected.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  There's, there's so many, yeah.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  Lee Harvey Oswald just gets off to Russia for a little bit, comes back, and everyone's cool with it.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  And had, and had more money than he should have had when he was over there, none of it really made sense, um.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  No, there's a bunch of those guys.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all like, you know, the idea like, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, to me seems silly, but the idea that he was innocent also seems silly, I think he.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  That's why it's a good conspiracy, cause, you know, but, uh.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  He's a little too calm when he gets arrested and he says I'm a patsy. That's a little too calm.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  I didn't care for the delivery either.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  I didn't like it.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't like it. I'm with you.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  I was like, why are you so relaxed? They're accusing you of shooting the President of the United States. He's like, I'm just a patsy. Why are you saying it like that? You should be freaking out.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  What a weird moment to for-

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  If you didn't shoot the President.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  What a weird moment for LBJ, who is now in power.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  You, that's how you're, to be sworn in in that way is pretty mental and then to go into, then you're President for Vietnam and all these crazy things that come next. I mean, wild.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  Fucking completely.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  When they first arrested him, was he arrested for killing JFK like right away or was it for killing the cop?

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  I don't know. He definitely killed a cop, though.

• 1:12:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, because I heard that not too long ago and I was like, I didn't know that.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  Tippet stopped Lee Harvey Oswald while on patrol, according to Texas Historical Commission account. After a brief exchange at the patrol car, Oswald fired multiple shots at Tippet, killing him. Yeah, my position is, like, people want it to be binary, like, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, or Lee Harvey Oswald was set up. I think Lee Harvey Oswald was in on it.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  And I think he was in on it.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  That seems to make the most sense.

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  But I think they wanted to set him up. I think he was probably in on it, but they set him up and made it seem like he was the killer.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  We're good with you from now.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:05Speaker 02

  We got, yeah, I mean, that's-

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think that's probably what they do. They probably made you feel special. You're a part of this. You're really important, Lee. Like, great, you know? Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. You know, meanwhile, he's getting set up.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  I mean, it's totally, that's what they would do. That's how they would do it. See if you can find the video of him saying, I'm just a patsy. Because this video has always driven me crazy. Because imagine if you were completely innocent, just hanging out at the schoolbook depository, just looking at some books or whatever.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  With my rifle, yeah, just chilling. Yeah.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  I don't even think that he was in the window. I don't, I don't think he, I don't-

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  I'm sure you've been down there. That area is so, it's so jarring to be in. You're like, well, this is right. Yeah, you're in the middle of the street. This is where it happened.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  It's way smaller than you think.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  That's what's weird. You're like, who allowed this?

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Like, unless you wanted the guy to die, who put him in a fucking convertible and put him through this area where you have to go slow?

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  Not to mention, apparently, the reason he didn't go down, I think this is, I'm pretty sure this is true, is his back was so fucked up, JFK, from back problems he had, probably from fucking all these women. And he's in a back brace and he doesn't go down immediately. So, you know, maybe if the bullet hits him and he goes down, maybe-

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  He had like a spinal degeneration disease, I think. I think it was like something very serious. Like, he was in constant pain. He had to wear a back brace and, uh-

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  I don't think men of that era did exercise in the same way.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  Other than that, but I think he had like a legitimate, like, medical issue.

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Which, you know, who knows? He could have gotten from the war. Here, Lee, Lee Arvo, Lee Harvey.

• 1:14:41Speaker 06

  I like some legal representation. These police officers have not allowed me to, to have any. I, uh, I don't know what this is all about. Did you kill the President? Also, I didn't keep asking him that. Sir? Did you shoot the President? I work in that building. Were you in the building at the time? Naturally, if I work in that building, yes, sir. Back up, man! Did you shoot the President? No, they're taking me in because of the fact that I live in the Soviet Union. I'm just a patsy.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Little too calm. Little too calm.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  He's pretty chill, yeah.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  Little too calm for my mind.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was definitely a chill, like, the whole thing. I'm just a-

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  I work in the building. Naturally, I was there.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jimmy Stewart, Jesus.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  Don't mention that cop either. Then what about the cop you just shot?

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  I think, I think if it were me, I'd like to think I'd be like losing it.

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• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  This is crazy. Like, think about how mad you are when there's a flight delay.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  Well, he's also, he's probably some sort of an agent, period. I mean, just the fact that he was able to go to the Soviet Union, marry a Russian woman, come back to the United States, you know?

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  Is that even, someone is bringing that up, too. You can't see, you can see him saying almost everything else.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's covered when he says, look at that.

• 1:17:23Speaker 06

  Sir? Did you shoot the President? I work in that building. Were you in the building at the time? Naturally, if I work in that building, yes, sir. Back up, man! Did you shoot the President? No, they're taking me in because of the fact that I live in the Soviet Union. I'm just a patsy.

• 1:17:38Speaker 04

  That sounds so different than everything else you said.

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Not 100%, but like, it's different and it's not, it's-

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Perhaps.

• 1:17:45Speaker 04

  The cadence is different, too.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a little different, perhaps. But, I mean, he said they're taking me in because I worked in the Soviet Union. Didn't he, wasn't he involved with some, something to do with communism as well? And not just in Soviet Union, perhaps in Cuba?

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  Maybe somewhere else?

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  I thought he was in Japan or something, wasn't he? Wasn't, no, maybe not Japan. He was somewhere else aside from the Soviet Union, though, wasn't he?

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  Somewhere else.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  He's formed a local branch of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:15Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think he was an agent.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  That's what I think. I think that guy was CIA. And I think that's why they allowed him, or whatever, fill in the other, the blank, whatever the other intelligence agency is. But he's just way too calm.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  That is not how you would be if someone was accusing you of shooting a beloved President in the fucking head in the middle, in the middle of Dallas.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  You wouldn't be that calm.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  I would hope not.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  No, you'd be freaking out. You'd be panicking.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  But at the same time, some of these fucking people that come into court who are murderers are calm as can be.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  I mean, some of these people, like, you see someone like that Gilgo Beach killer come into the courtroom and he's pretty much just like, yeah, I did this.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Which one's that guy?

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  He was the one who strangled like 11 that they know of prostitutes in Long Island. He looks kind of like a bloated Tucker Carlson. He's huge. I don't think you could find him. He's pretty scary. Look, he's really scary looking. But, yeah, he killed all these women. And then there's like one prostitute who's like, I got a bad vibe. I didn't go in the car with him and she's alive, but-

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  But, yeah, yeah, look at him. He's fucking-

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. He looks like Tim Dillon and Tucker Carlson had a baby.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  He's a big guy, though. He's like huge.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  He looks like a guy that was-

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  And he had a wife. He had kids. Uh, I believe he had, he definitely had a wife. I think he had kids, too, though. Yeah, and he, uh, was he an architect or something in midtown?

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Something normal.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Something normal. And then, yeah, they just do this thing where you're just like, this is fucking crazy.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  What was his job, Jamie?

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  He had a soundproof room in his home.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Which is scary as fuck.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  You hear about that guy in Philadelphia that they caught?

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Oh, that's the scariest one. The Philadelphia one's really scary. It's very recent.

• 1:19:54Speaker 04

  The indictment of defendant Rex Andrew. Architect, it says.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  An architect, wow. Normal job. The Philly one's nuts, dude. They think it might have been the biggest serial killer of all time. And they found, I think they found human remains. They definitely found videos and photographs of the victims at, at the house.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Speaker 04

  Over 1 million images have been seen. I saw one of the detectives talking about what he's seen and he seemed like he didn't even want to talk about it.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Alongside fake federal law enforcement credentials, homemade chemical laboratory, and urns containing cremated remains.

• 1:20:28Speaker 04

  I think there was at least five urns they found.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  So, his, his dad was apparently a psycho, too. Uh, the dilapidated home was shared by 44-year-old Eugene Horsh and his late father Raymond R.C. Horsh, a pornographer who died in 2025 at age 82. Investigator dubbed it "a house of horrors" after discovering disturbing contents inside. Missing women in evidence. Authorities have linked seven missing women to the property, five of whom were feared dead after appearing unresponsive or deceased in recovered video files.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  This is why, I mean, like the John Wayne Gacy thing where he was just sticking people in the, under the-

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  Under the house.

• 1:21:07Speaker 02

  Under the house, yeah. And his wife's like, what's the smell? And he was like, I don't know. He just said it was like a rat or something, a mouse?

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  But it's like, yeah, you're just collecting-

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  Ugh, but I think they think it might have been a fuckload of people.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  They, they think these guys, this, this guy and his dad might have been the biggest serial killer of all time. Because of all the images they have, one, over, more than 1 million digital images recovered from the home show women who are injured, unconscious, and possibly lifeless. But so far, no bodies have been recovered.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  Man, this is-

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  How'd they catch this dude?

• 1:21:47Speaker 04

  I remember we've, we talked about because of this. Uh, when this happened, back in June. She had someone else's ID when they pulled him over.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Okay, so Eugene Horsh was arrested in June 2026. He was with a woman in possession of an identification card with Tonzelli's name on it. Blair Tonzelli was 35 years old when she went missing in 2023. She was the first woman named in this case. So he was with another woman who had this lady's ID.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  What it, hold on, let's go back up that lady.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  Oh, this is so fucking sad.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Amy Hale, McHale, was forty-four years old, that's her up there. Show the picture of her face. And that's the dad.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  Doesn't look like a warm face.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  Murder aside, that doesn't look like a guy you wanna have coffee with.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  He had an eye patch sometimes, too, for some reason.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  She was last seen in two thousand and sixteen, shortly after news broke of Horsh's arrest, her family told Action. She was last seen at the W Chu Avenue House. McHale had previously been married to R.C. Horsh, who has also become a central figure in this case, so hi- his dad and him were killing people.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Did you, I mean, you know what was one of the craziest ones? You know the, the Dating Game murderer?

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  That was a crazy one, too, cuz that guy was just on TV. There's a great book on it, I think it was Matt Murphy, Book of Murder, I think it's called. But he, he was the prosecutor, he's like the prosecutor in California who did all these cases, and he prosecuted the Dating Game murderer, and they talk about how he had to prosecute this guy because it was him and a woman who did it together, and he had to be like, she had to be bad cop and he had to be good cop, cuz these guys always wanna defend themselves. So he would be like, he would have to buddy up to him in the courtroom, like, I think this is crazy, the judge overruled you, like, I'm on your side. And that would get the guy, like, it feeds his narcissism, and that's how you break them down. You have to be, it must be so hard to be nice to these people, cuz you, you hate them.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  You're disgusted by them, but you have to be like, dude, you and me, we're like, we're like peers, we're both like lawyers, cuz they always do that.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, they have to figure out some way to manipulate them into talking.

• 1:23:51Speaker 02

  But they, they got him, I mean, but, I mean, that one was crazy, and I think she got away, the woman on the show, she got a bad vibe. There's always a couple that are like, I was, it was this close and I got a bad vibe, but, I mean, John Wayne Gacy tied a guy up. He, cuz his move was, he would like, we should wrestle, and then he put handcuffs on you so you couldn't move and, and drug you. And he tried it on one guy who got out of the handcuffs.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  He slid out somehow and put it on John Wayne Gacy, and he's just laughing like, fuck.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Debbie Harry almost got killed by Ted Bundy.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  No shit.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was getting into his car and she noticed that the car didn't have handles on the inside of the door. And she got some weird vibe and...

• 1:24:30Speaker 02

  I mean, that is a weird vibe. If I got into an Uber and there were no handles, I'd be like, I'm good.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:24:35Speaker 01

  I think that's the story, I'm pretty sure that's the story.

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  I love Debbie Harry, that would, that would suck, too.

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  That would've sucked.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Cuz I, I don't think she had made it yet, we would've lost all those songs.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  And her.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Call me though, it's pretty good, though.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of bangers, dude.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  So many bangers.

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  She was amazing.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  So, still amazing, still alive, yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, still alive.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  But, uh, yeah, Bundy was another one who represented himself in court. These guys are narcissists, among other things, of course, but they're fucking...

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wonder what that is, that broken thing inside them?

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Well, you're able to, well, you're able to get someone's trust somehow, you're getting them in these vulnerable positions, you have some level of charm.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  So then you believe it, and then you think it can be used clearly in this situation as well.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  But they're not good lawyers, usually, so it's a good thing.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Generally.

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Do you remember the one guy that shot a bunch of people on the subway, or on the train, Long Island train? And then defended himself in court, and he was like, literally interviewing the guy, how do you know that I shot? He was like, I fucking saw you, you shot me. Do you remember that one?

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  No, I don't, who was that?

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  He was insane, he was completely insane, and he, and he was his own lawyer. And, uh, he shot a bunch of people, and he had a weird accent, too. Shot a bunch of people, I think it was on the Long Island Expressway.

• 1:25:50Speaker 02

  No shit.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  The Long Island, whatever it is, the railroad, whatever the, the train is that people take from Long Island.

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Long Island Railroad, yeah, damn.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. This is like, uh...

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  I've seen some loons on that fuck, I almost got killed by a dude, I'm, no, it was New Jersey Transit, actually, a crazy guy just fucking with me. And, uh, I'm very lucky, didn't do anything. I was hammered, I was a young comic, and I was coming back from a shitty gig, like, to catch a rising star, whatever, in a Princeton horrible room. It's in a hotel, but I was just like grateful to be working, and I remember I was, you know, had a bottle of Buffalo Trace with me, I'm like, I'll just get drunk on the car, on the train ride back, you know? And some guy who looks crazy starts fucking with everyone on the track while we're waiting, and I'm like, oh, this guy's gonna talk to me. And I made a bad joke or something, he like, fuck with me, he's like, what do you think about immigrants? And I was drunk, I was just like, ah, they're ruining this country, just trying to be funny. And he's like, you're a racist, I was like, no, I was fucking around, of course they're not, you know? And he goes, I should kill you, and I was like, what the fuck?

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  So I had to hide from this guy on the train ride back, and he's, I see him looking for me on the train, it was this horrible moment, where I'm like, what the fuck am I gonna do? So I, I'm ducking down, I see him come on, and I see him asking other people, what do you think about immigrants? He's just crazy. And then he asked the wrong guy, luckily, he asked some fucking tough-looking black dude, he goes, what do you think about immigrants? And the guy just goes, East New York, motherfucker. And I was like, thank God, the guy was gonna kill him, they stopped the train, they arrested one of them. But I was like, this is not a fun ride.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  Well, if you're a psychopath, what great, what a great place to fuck with people. They're in a tube, they can't go anywhere.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Exactly, and he took, I remember he took his hat off at one point, and it was like half-cut, and it was like clearly like a, like, he looked insane. Something was off about him, and I was like, thank God, that, that was my guardian angel, that guy.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  How many bodies are they associating? How many dead people do they think could possibly be associated with this Philadelphia thing?

• 1:27:37Speaker 04

  Uh, they're only up to the five missing and two others, I think, cuz they don't, they have...

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  Five missing?

• 1:27:44Speaker 04

  Any that remains, other than the urns. I don't know if they've like tied them to...

• 1:27:48Speaker 02

  Those are fucking, those are amateur numbers, dude, Gilgo Beach was like eleven, come on.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they think it's a lot more because of all the images and the videos.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I mean...

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  They just don't know who the people are.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  They have those, that museum in Los Angeles, the Museum of Murder, Museum of Death. I think they have one in New Orleans, too.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  They have one like that in, um, Vegas.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Zach Baggins, he's got this like haunted museum, and it's got all, it's got Ed Gaines stuff in there.

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  They got John Wayne Gacy shoes, the clown shoes.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  It's hilarious if someone had to bid on that. You're like, did we get the shoes? Yeah, I secured the shoes.

• 1:28:23Speaker 01

  They have Jack Kevorkian's van where he killed people in.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  No way.

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:26Speaker 02

  That's a big one, that's a biggie.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, they got the van.

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can step in the van.

• 1:28:31Speaker 02

  I don't think Kevorkian's on the same level as, as those guys.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  I didn't think so.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  He got consensual murder, come on.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  But there's something weird about his paintings.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  No, it's not, I don't think it's, any of it's great.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:43Speaker 02

  But I, but you can't put them in the same category as those guys.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  He's killing people that wanna die cuz they're terminally ill.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  Philadelphia House of Horrors, having gone through roughly thirty percent of the files, investigators say in update that they have identified fifty-eight people from the files.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  Okay, that's crazy.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  Ten of whom died in unrelated circumstances and many others who are still alive. Who are still alive. Okay, so...

• 1:29:08Speaker 04

  Of millions of files.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  So, but it says ten who died in unrelated circumstances and many others who are still alive. It doesn't say how many of those people are dead, it says many who are still alive.

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  It's like when you get COVID, but you had like a heart condition already or something?

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Right, died with COVID.

• 1:29:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Police have not found any bodies and cautioned, they cannot confirm any of the missing women are dead based solely on digital evidence. Yeah, but I think, once you find out that a guy's killed seven of them, you might be able to make an inference.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  And you really only need to get them on one, right? That's really the case, but...

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think they wanna know.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, of course they wanna know, but I mean, that's like...

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  What's the substance?

• 1:29:49Speaker 04

  It's like, I think it's big barrels of, you know, like probably acid or something.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  I forgot the name of the other book that...

• 1:29:54Speaker 04

  Built into the house is the problem, like, the description of what it is isn't just like a barrel laying around on the corner of the garage. It was like tubes all over the place, down in the basement.

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  Can you, can you, look, I don't know what the name of the book is, it's by Michelle McNamara, about the East Area Rapist, that's an incredible book. Oh, I'll Be Gone in the Dark or something? It's about the guy who, uh, it's unbelievable.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  What is it about?

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  It's about the East Area Rapist in San Francisco.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  What's that one?

• 1:30:19Speaker 02

  He was, he was, he was just like a huge rapist and...

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  So the guy, he's a pornographer who made snuff films.

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a...

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  What is, what is a snuff film?

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  Snuff film is supposedly films where people actually die.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:35Speaker 02

  I didn't know that, I thought it was a porn.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  No, that, well, I think for some people it is.

• 1:30:39Speaker 04

  There's a fucked up movie that Nick Cage made in the nineties or early two thousands called like Eight Millimeter.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, it's a porn one.

• 1:30:46Speaker 04

  And I will not watch it.

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it was a De Palma, I think. Yeah, dude, there's, there was an era of Hollywood where they would film you, uh, Mickey Kohn and those gangsters would film you in the forties doing gay shit, and they would blackmail you. So they tried to get all these big actors...

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Like the Humiliatrix.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  The Humiliatrix, but I, not, I don't think with consent, I think they really, I don't think they want any part of that shit. And the craziest story was Lana Turner is dating one of these gangsters, the big movie star Lana Turner, is dating one of these gangsters, John Stambanato, who's abusive as fuck, like charms her, won't leave her alone, uh, sending her flowers on set, good-looking gangster, works for Mickey Kohn, crazy guy. And to the point that like, she's trying to break up with him, she's filming a movie with Sean Connery, who at the time is like a nobody in the fifties, I think it's in Europe somewhere. And he fucks with Connery, and Connery fucking duck, he def, he just knocks out a fucking gangster, no fear, didn't care, guy could've killed him. And, uh, later, after John Stambanato's abusing the daughter, abusing Lana Turner,

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  the story goes that she killed him, I think, but, or that the daughter killed him, but I read a book where it says she a hundred percent killed him and put it on the daughter so she wouldn't go to prison for life.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  Isn't that a crazy story?

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  She killed a gangster?

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  She shot him. Yeah, well, he was abusing her for years, and he would've, he would've killed her, probably. Dangerous dudes, but.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Have you ever heard of Roy DeMeo?

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  So Joey Diaz gave me this book called Murder Machine back in the day. And it's this guy Roy DeMeo, who was, you know, some mob guy who just started killing people for whatever reason. And they had an apartment upstairs above this, uh, this bar. And they would take people into the bar. They'd take them upstairs to the apartment, kill them and cut them up in the bathtub.

• 1:32:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  And he just started doing it to a lot of people. He started becoming like really sloppy because like no matter what, he didn't like the way he looked at them. Fuck this guy, let's kill him. And he's got interested in just like taking people out. The book is horrifying.

• 1:32:48Speaker 02

  Wow. You guys sloppy how like is in killing anyone or sloppy with getting rid of the remains?

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  Both. Well, he got caught eventually, but I think one of the things was he just got very eager to kill people. So he was killing people for like unreasonable reasons. You know, in the beginning, I think he was killing people. He was probably contract killing people or killing people that disrespected somebody or that not somebody, you know, they had to get dealt with. And then he just started killing.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  Some guys holding up the line at the deli, like I'm gonna kill that guy too.

• 1:33:15Speaker 01

  The buck's nuts because you start, you gotta read this book, dog. Like I'm reading the book, I'm like, jeez. I think he's playing Roy DeMeo in a movie now.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Joey is?

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  That's hilarious, dude, manifest.

• 1:33:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  It is crazy. Yeah, he's, he's got some, maybe I shouldn't have said that.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  Joey's a good actor.

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  It might be like private information, but either way.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  That's exciting.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, he's, he's a very good actor, but that book is fucking terrifying. That guy, that his whole thing was like, it was, there was a social club, like a, some sort of a bar that was downstairs. See if we find that story.

• 1:33:50Speaker 02

  Can I grab a drink? Is there, is there any alcohol?

• 1:33:53Speaker 04

  The Gemini Lounge is the whole situation called the Gemini Method.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  Jamie, please order us two, two glasses with ice. And a bottle of that Buffalo Trace that almost got you killed.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  Dude. That was, that was like what I'd look forward to at the end of the weekend was just the drinks.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  The Gemini Method? Uh, 1970s progressed. DeMeo cultivated his followers into a crew of experience with the process of murdering and dismembering victims. With the exceptions of killing intended to send a message to anyone who would hinder their criminal activities or murders that presented no other alternative. A set method of execution was established by the DeMeo crew to ensure the victims would be dispatched quickly and then made to disappear. Style of execution was dubbed the Gemini Method after the Gemini Lounge, a bar which served as the crew's primary hangout, as well as a site where most of their victims were killed. The process of the Gemini Method, as revealed by multiple crew members and associates who

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  became government witnesses in the early 1980s, was to lure the victim through the side door of the lounge and into an apartment in the back portion of the building. At this point, a crew member, almost always DeMeo, according to member-turned-government witness Frederick Denome, Denome, would approach with a silenced pistol in one hand and a towel on the other, shooting the victim in the head and then wrapping the towel around the victim's head wound like a turban to staunch the blood flow. Immediately afterward, another member of the crew, originally Rosenberg, would stab the victim in the heart to prevent more blood from pumping out of the gunshot wound. Wow, they had a method. By then, the victim would be dead, at which point the body would be stripped of clothing

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  and dragged into a bathroom where the remaining blood drained out or congealed within the body. This was to eliminate the messiness of the next step, when crew members would place the body into plastic sheets laid out in the main room and proceed to dismember it, cutting off the arms, legs and head.

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  It seems like a lot of work.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  Following dismemberment, the body parts would then be put into bags, placed in cardboard boxes and sent to the Fountain Avenue landfill in Brooklyn. So many tons of garbage were dropped each day at the landfill, it would be nearly impossible for the bodies to be discovered. During the initial stages of a night, early 1980s investigation targeting DeMeo crew, a plan by authorities to excavate sections of the dump to locate remains was aborted when it was deemed too costly and unlikely to locate any meaningful evidence. The landfill opposite the Star, Starrett City apartment complex in East New York was closed in 1985, capped over and converted into parkland. There's a park there where there's dead people dismembered underneath it.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  Some victims were killed in other ways for varying reasons. At times, suspected informants or those who committed an act of disrespect against a member of the crew or their superiors had their bodies left in the streets to serve as a message and a warning. How many people did he kill?

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  Put that into perplexity.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  It just seems like so much work to do all this shit. Like just talk out your shit.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  I think he probably enjoyed it.

• 1:37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, clearly, but it's just.

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  Look at that list of people that.

• 1:37:07Speaker 02

  That's your whole day.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  Bro, look at that list.

• 1:37:08Speaker 02

  Between killing and disposing, that's gotta be what, four hours?

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  Fun.

• 1:37:13Speaker 02

  How long do you think that takes?

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  Talk some shit, drink a couple of drinks, smoke a cigar.

• 1:37:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, the whole process to let the, the blood drain, you go get some wine.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Hanging with the boys. Put another notch on the wall. Play that Queen song.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  Damn, that's a lot.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  Bites the dust.

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  How many of this, one, two, three, four?

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  She started in 73 and he.

• 1:37:35Speaker 01

  And he did it all the way up to.

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  He didn't kill Mickey Spillane.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  Mickey Spillane's a writer.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  It's a boss, mob boss. Irish mob boss, shot five times, killed outside his apartment building in Woodside, Queens by DeMeo and Grillo as a favor to Coonan. Oh, another Irish mob boss. So they had the Italian mob killing the Irish mob.

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  Hmm, this is a lot of names.

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  Oh, he started killing his own guys. Look at this one. Scroll up a little bit. Right there, Danny Grillo. A longtime member of the DeMeo crew was killed and dismembered by DeMeo, Rosenberg and Center and Testa for racking up gambling debts and falling into drug addiction. They were just finding reasons to kill people. Oh, he owes money, this piece of shit.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Gambling debts and drugs, though, if you're, if you're in a gang, that's gotta be, that's why they killed Chrissy in The Sopranos.

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Gary Gardine was shot and killed by Rosenberg after he failed to pay him back from a marijuana deal. Gardine was found inside the truck of his, the trunk of his torch car. Cocaine dealer, shot, stabbed, dismembered for being a suspected informant.

• 1:38:45Speaker 02

  That's a fair reason.

• 1:38:46Speaker 04

  Dispute over copying porn films on this guy?

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. He stabbed, wow.

• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  Even duplicating a porno film back then probably took a while. You gotta do two VCRs. That's a whole thing.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  In 79, I don't even think they had VCRs. Tadara was shot by DeMeo and stabbed by Rosenberg after his nephew hired the DeMeo crew to murder him due to a dispute over the building in which they duplicated pornographic films. Wow.

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  Someone was shot. Here's a good, here's a good killing. Scott Cifaro was shot multiple times by DeMeo crew at the behest of a rape victim's family.

• 1:39:21Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:39:22Speaker 04

  Look at the one below it, mistaken.

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Ragucci, college student and door-to-door salesman, was mistaken for a Cuban hitman. Parked outside DeMeo's home, DeMeo chased Ragucci from Massapequod Park to Suffolk County and shot him seven times after he crashed his car.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 1:39:41Speaker 04

  You're 18 and he, he thought you were a Cuban hitman?

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  And look, he killed Rosenberg. Look at this, Rosenberg was shot and killed by DeMeo and Center to avoid a war with a Cuban drug cartel over a March 1979 cocaine ripoff murders caused by Rosenberg. So he's like killing his boys. The, the guys that he was killing people with, he killed them. It must be just wild. Just killed, like.

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  This list is insane.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  This list is insane.

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  This has gone on for two, this is like, this is like the NBA draft. This is that many names.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  This is like 60 names.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, he was a legitimate serial killer.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  Cruz Constance Burr, ooh, another informant.

• 1:40:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, informants. There's a lot of, a lot of needed to get rid of a guy, but there's a lot of people that just decide, fuck this guy. Yeah.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  Damn. That's a lot of people.

• 1:40:31Speaker 01

  I think he just got super comfortable with killing people. The book is, the book's insane because it goes in great detail about how he did it and what he did. And it's like, it's very, it's, I don't know why those, they're so, it's so disturbing because you know that people, thanks, sir. People are, um, very malleable. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know.

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• 1:43:07Speaker 01

  You know, like, you get used to, like, kids get used to living in war zones.

• 1:43:11Speaker 02

  True.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  Like, you, that's normal.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you grow up, if you're like in the Sudan or something and you're a child soldier, I mean, I guess that's just your life, but cheers, bro.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Cheers, sir.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  Cheers.

• 1:43:19Speaker 01

  Good to see you, my brother.

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  Good to see you, dude. Morbid conversation, but it is interesting.

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  I know, we'll pull out of it. We'll pull out of it with something good.

• 1:43:25Speaker 02

  Oh, it's good.

• 1:43:26Speaker 01

  Do you know about the lesbian bar in Massachusetts?

• 1:43:28Speaker 02

  Mark texted me about it. I don't know what it is.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  Is, are they wearing masks? They're like cosplaying or something?

• 1:43:33Speaker 01

  No, no, no. No, they were COVID masks.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  Right, but what's the deal?

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  So, um, so the, the bar, I'll give you the synopsis. So it's, it's called The Last Ditch. It's this basement bar, this bar these lesbians run. And they're communists, so they, they, they wanna do it, like, if you can't pay, you don't have to pay. So they have a covered charge, but you don't have to pay if you don't have any money. So nobody pays. So they're going under. And so, uh, two of them leave and one of them enrolls in clown school, okay?

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Do non-communists just drink there 'cause it's fucking free?

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  No, 'cause you have to wear a mask if you go there. And so they're, the thing is, they're losing all their fucking money. And this, one of these people that runs, one of these ladies that runs this bar is 50 grand in the hole.

• 1:44:16Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  Send in Jon Taffer, dude. It's gonna make over. That's a good app.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be a great app. Well, Hollywood is apparently very interested in this story because it became, like, one of the single biggest reasons why people subscribe to the Boston Globe. Like, it was one of the biggest stories that they ever had. Like, it's one of those, you gotta find out more about it, you gotta subscribe. And so they got like a thousand new subscriptions because of the story, 'cause it's, it is, it's woke taken to its final point. Because these people couldn't be kinder. They're, they're communists.

• 1:44:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  They're, they're running a lesbian bar and

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  And they're giving away booze.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  And they're giving, they're running out of money. They have no fucking money, right? And so they consult someone, like, what are we gonna do? And they say, listen, you gotta have one day where you have masks optional. And you'll probably make more money that way. And these people go nuts. One of them says

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Were the owners or the?

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  No, the fans, the patrons.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  They can't not drink for one day?

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  It's not just that. They think you're putting us in danger. One of them says that your building should be, I hope your building gets firebombed. Like, they turn on them.

• 1:45:18Speaker 02

  Firebombed?

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 1:45:20Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:45:21Speaker 01

  It's wild.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  Are there pictures of the bar? I wanna see what this looks like.

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  It's a little basement bar.

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  I kinda wanna go next time I'm in Boston. I wanna check it out.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  That's what's happening. People going there as tourists. Um, so this is the bar.

• 1:45:34Speaker 02

  Boston's such a good bar culture, too.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a lot of good spots.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Except for that it closes super early. That's the only problem with the bars, but.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  So, one of the signs on the door, Last Ditch Bar, an arts venue, asks visitors to wear a mask. Recently, the bar said it would lift its mask mandate on Saturdays. Just one day. Just one day. Saturdays at night, wherever. And not, you could still wear a mask.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  You could still wear a mask. But masks is optional. It's optional.

• 1:46:02Speaker 02

  I, I wanna go meet a chick at a bar. I don't know what the fuck she looks like if she's got a mask on.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  Well, I don't think anybody's meeting anybody at this bar.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, it's a lesbian bar.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  There are lesbians, I guess, that are meeting other lesbians, but I mean, I think their whole thing is

• 1:46:13Speaker 02

  Women are more down with the personalities, I guess. I don't know.

• 1:46:16Speaker 01

  I think it's also, there's a certain group of people that they think that if you don't wear a mask, you're killing people.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  But this must be a crazy, small clientele, right? This can't be, like, how many people are going to this shit?

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  Well, amongst, like, really wildly left-wing people, masks are still in vogue.

• 1:46:36Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:46:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. I know of, uh, there's a gym, I don't wanna say the name, I don't wanna shame them, but there's like an MMA gym.

• 1:46:44Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  That's all lesbians and trans people, and they all wear masks.

• 1:46:47Speaker 02

  Wow, I'm more scared of getting punched in the face and, that's wild. I mean, uh, no, look, I still see people wearing them on flights, and I'm like, hey, do whatever you wanna do. Truly, but I, I just think that, at this point, I couldn't wait. I, I, and I did it during COVID. I complied with all that shit, but I'm kinda like, I, I did my part, and now I'm kinda like, I wanna, I wanna breathe.

• 1:47:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did it. I even sold them on my website. And that's something that actually Sanjay Gupta brought up. You sell masks on your website? I go, not 'cause I think they're useful, it's because people have to wear them, dude. They have to wear them. If you wanna, if you wanna go somewhere, they make you wear a fucking mask.

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  Oh, I was, dude, I was doing pop-up shows during COVID on New York City roofs, 'cause that was the only place you could really perform. After a while, I got to do a hotel room a few days a week. They let me do it. It was really cool. But, uh, I was doing roofs, and I, I was filming a special doing that. And I asked people, just, I'm like, can you guys just put on a mask for like 10 minutes so I don't get, I, 'cause I was like, I thought people were gonna come for me. If I, if we cut to a crowd outdoors and they're not wearing masks. So we did it for like half a show, and I was like, just do it for this, and they all were like, yeah, of course. But people were shaming you for that, so I don't, but also, they didn't know, so I, I don't care, but it's also like

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  Well, there was a lot of fog. The, everyone's doing Monday morning quarterbacking about that whole time. There was a lot of people that were, they were good people, they got sucked into it.

• 1:48:05Speaker 02

  It was scary. It was a scary time. I mean, it was, uh, we didn't know what the fuck was happening.

• 1:48:09Speaker 01

  I did shows in Houston in July, so it was like the first shows that I had done in a long time. And I only did one weekend. I did the improv in Houston. And then I decided after I did it that I'm not doing it anymore because I felt bad. I'm like, what if I give somebody COVID?

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:26Speaker 01

  I come back, I'm being selfish, 'cause I wanna perform, I wanna go back to LA and give someone COVID. That's crazy. So I stopped doing it. But the whole audience had to wear masks.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  It was strange. I remember the first show we did back at Gotham, and it was kind of a beautiful moment because clubs had been closed. And I remember Seinfeld wanted to go on first, so even before The Host, he was like, this is meaningful to me. And I was like, oh, that's kinda cool. But then I watched him, and he's like, comedy's back. And there's like a big glass thing in front of him, 'cause we had to do that. I was like, that's what the clubs were doing. But I remember Jerry was like emotional. I was like, wow, that's like kind of a cool moment, you know?

• 1:48:57Speaker 01

  The glass wall.

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  Oh, The Cellar did it too. Everyone did it. And, you know, we were just, I think they were just trying to be respectful to the patrons at the time, but the second that was gone, I was, I was pretty happy, you know?

• 1:49:06Speaker 01

  There was like a period where people had to like figure out what's okay. And it's, it's generally after someone got it. Most people that got it and then they recovered, then they weren't scared anymore.

• 1:49:16Speaker 02

  Oh, they felt like invincible?

• 1:49:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I was going to fucking brothels the second I, I'm good? Let me fucking pop into this orgy real quick. It was, it was wild. Uh, no, it was, this, it was, that was the one nice thing of being on the back end of getting it, is that you're like, I'm fucking, I'm, I'm untouchable right now.

• 1:49:31Speaker 01

  Well, it was a good pandemic in a sense, because it was not real, real, real deadly. It wasn't like the Black Plague, right? So you

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  How about the Spanish Flu? There were people, you were, so you have World War, you have World War I and the Spanish Flu?

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:50Speaker 02

  Back to back?

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  And the Spanish Flu was killing young, healthy people.

• 1:49:53Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:49:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  Who's that famous artist, uh, Chivile? He's taking care of his wife, I think it was in Austria, taking care of his wife, who's like, he's like 28. She has Spanish Flu, he gets it and dies. He's fucking 28.

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was something about

• 1:50:08Speaker 02

  But that's how you become a big artist, you die, young.

• 1:50:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you live forever, they don't like you.

• 1:50:12Speaker 02

  They don't give a fuck.

• 1:50:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  No one gives a fuck about Van Gogh.

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  Imagine if Jim Morrison was still alive?

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  He would be David Lee Roth. Poor Dave.

• 1:50:19Speaker 02

  The weird thing about The Doors is like, every song's either like a 10 out of 10 or a 1 out of 10.

• 1:50:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  There's no, there's no 5 out of 10s.

• 1:50:26Speaker 01

  Right. Well, I think they did that a lot back then with the albums. Like, even a lot of the Stones songs. There's some Stones songs, like, yikes.

• 1:50:33Speaker 02

  'Cause they're prolific.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  There's a little too.

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:36Speaker 01

  It's like, you know, if you did, like, remember when Louis was doing an hour every year?

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  But it was still great.

• 1:50:41Speaker 01

  It was still great.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:42Speaker 01

  But it's a lot. It's a lot to do.

• 1:50:44Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, he set up an unreasonable expectation for comics. That's why this one, I waited two years. I was like, I, I don't wanna, I think every year's crazy.

• 1:50:51Speaker 01

  I think every few years is good. It depends, it depends on where you're at in your life. Like, what do you wanna do?

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  Of course. Sometimes, dude, I feel it all the time, like the stress level's dropping me and the floodgates open, and I have. But when I'm stressed, I'm tight, I'm not creating. But that's, when I was in Europe, I was like, shit's just coming out of me, 'cause I'm just taking walks in, you know, random cities I've never been to. You're opening up pathways in your brain that you're not used to using, so, but when I'm stressed about something or I'm working on other stuff, I'm, I'm not creating like I wanna be. But, yeah, it depends. Like, Louis, at that point of his career, was not just creating stand-up every year, but he was writing, starring, and editing Louis.

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  So his, his output was unheard of.

• 1:51:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, his output was nuts. And he was editing it on his fucking laptop.

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  And he liked to do it on a little one. He goes, I like doing it on a little one.

• 1:51:39Speaker 02

  That show is amazing. I, I rewatched it recently, and it's just like, man, it's a, he really took some big swings on it. I loved it.

• 1:51:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. No, he's, he's a fucking wizard. He's a genuine wizard.

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:51Speaker 01

  It's, it's so hard to maintain that kind of a pace, that's such a crazy pace. The thing about like the Stones and those guys, though, is like, they had record contracts, and then they had to release a record by a certain amount of time. And so I think they had some filler songs.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  Totally, dude. But then sometimes you get the best songs that way, right?

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  You know the Electric Light Orchestra story, where they're like, we need one more song for this album, and he just goes to the roof and he's like, Mr. Blue Sky? He's thinking, he's looking at the blue sky and it hit him.

• 1:52:18Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  So that's how, Blue Sky.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:52:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's like, sometimes you get the, or that woman, fuck, I forgot her name. She's a really popular singer, she's very good. The, "I'm not gonna write you a love song," 'cause they're like, we need a love song on this album. And she, that hit her, "I'm not gonna write you a love song."

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  What song is that?

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  What's her name again? No.

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  You could just type in the lyrics, I'm sure it'll come up. I'm not gonna write you a love, it's a good song.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  Is it a new song?

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  No, it's like twenty years ago.

• 1:52:51Speaker 02

  Yes, Sara Bareilles, yeah. That song, so it's like you just, sometimes when you're given a challenge, you just are like, okay, let me, you're talking about the setlist shows before, sometimes.

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  Right, you need something to get you out of your head.

• 1:53:02Speaker 02

  Sometimes, I think homework as an adult is good, when you're like, try this.

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  Sometimes you do a show where you need to talk current events, and like, I remember when the Comedy Cellar did that Comedy Central show, and you had to only do news stories, it made me write so much topical shit. I love having homework.

• 1:53:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. Anytime you have to do something, it's better. Like, so many guys, like, when they do roast battle, like, they know they're gonna battle somebody in three weeks, and so they really fucking write their asses off.

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  But also, that's like, I think it's also so much easier to write about someone else.

• 1:53:32Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  You know, but, uh, but yeah, so a lot, I mean, you see, like, all these, so many comics are so good at that, you know?

• 1:53:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a style.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:39Speaker 01

  That's a very particular style, a mean style, you know, it's like, I'm not, I don't do it.

• 1:53:45Speaker 02

  But it's cool to see those old clips of Rickles, cuz he didn't even have to tell a joke, and you'd be laughing. It was just his vibe.

• 1:53:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  He'd be like, why don't you go away and not bother somebody, and that was funny, just cuz of his, you know.

• 1:53:57Speaker 01

  Well, he was so.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  He had the package, he had the whole package.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  He was so unique.

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  And Joan Rivers, too, could insult the shit out of you, and it was, like, beautiful.

• 1:54:03Speaker 01

  Do you remember that thing he did where, I think it was Reagan, I think it was Reagan, where he, he did, like, essentially stand up before he introduced him?

• 1:54:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know, I've definitely seen the Dangerfield one with Reagan, I don't know if I know Rickles.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  There's some, there's some thing.

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  There's a Dangerfield set with, in front of Reagan, where he is annihilating for like, four minutes straight, and it's one of those where, I forgot who, they cut to somebody who just goes, "Wow," cuz it's like, bam, bam, bam, when Dangerfield's locked in, man, it's like, Dangerfield, to me, is like, still, I think he's like, the funniest human, like, when you, even the bad movies still have his one-liners, so.

• 1:54:37Speaker 01

  Oh, he's incredible.

• 1:54:37Speaker 02

  I love, in Meet Wally Sparks, which is not a great movie, but he, it's, he's so funny in it, when he walks up to the couple on the dance floor, making out, he's like, "You two should go get a room," and then he walks up to the fat couple, dancing, he goes, "You two should get a warehouse." That's a great joke. All those jokes are like, fucking, and, and, oh my god, every joke in Back to School or Caddyshack, you're like, these are fucking great, these are perfect jokes.

• 1:55:01Speaker 01

  And he was like, late forties at the time, it was unheard of.

• 1:55:04Speaker 02

  He was not well, he did not look like a good late forties either, that was like, hard living.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  Partyin' hard, dude. I saw him perform live during his bathrobe era. Do you know the bathrobe era?

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:55:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:15Speaker 01

  So, he would go onstage with nothing but a bathrobe on.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:55:19Speaker 01

  Like, his junk hanging out under the bathrobe, totally naked, slippers, and I was working. I was actually a security guard at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:55:30Speaker 01

  So, I was backstage, I was like, I was one of the guys that was assigned to watch the door to, like, where the backstage was. So I could see, like, Dangerfield walking around with his bathrobe on.

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  He's pacing, he's nervous.

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  He's just getting ready.

• 1:55:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:44Speaker 01

  But he's got a bathrobe on, and I remember thinking, this is crazy, this guy's got a ba, only, I was nineteen, I was like, he's only got a bathrobe? And then he goes onstage with just a bathrobe, I was like, oh my god, this is insane.

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:55:55Speaker 01

  And murdered. I mean, he laid down like, fifty-five minutes of thunder, just nonstop, from the fucking beginning, from the moment he got offstage, onstage, it was just bang, bang, bang, bang, and Great Woods is a pretty big place, like, you know, thousands of people, I don't know how big it is. I think it's at least ten thousand people, it's a really big place, like, big name people there, like, Bon Jovi was there, it was that kinda, it was, it was a huge place.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  Well, he had, I mean, he had so many bits, those Carson appearances, where Carson just knew how to let him cook, he's like, alright, I'll set you up and I'll get the fuck out of the way, but yeah, when he was just ranting, just one after another, and you're like, these are great.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  If Carson loved you, it was, oh my god, you're sad.

• 1:56:37Speaker 02

  They had a, they had a problem for a while, too, they had an issue, and then.

• 1:56:40Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  They had to work it out, yeah, I think, in his book, Rodney, he said something like, he, uh, I think Carson couldn't get into some club or restaurant or something, and Dangerfield helped out, and it kinda smoothed over some shit they had, but like, yeah, it's crazy to picture, maybe just one weird moment, but that's, thank god they smoothed it over, we get these moments on TV where, Conan had the same thing, Conan was able, like, with Norm, he knew how to just let him cook, you know, it's like, certain late-night hosts just know when you're like, okay, let me just feed this guy the ball.

• 1:57:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  It's like being a great point guard, you know, it's like, Carson just knew, he's like, oh, yeah, I'll, I got a bad duck, the duck to Vinnie Bumbach, he'd be like, oh yeah, just like, keep going. I mean, these great, great, Back to School, to me, is like, if you're, you can't be in a bad mood and watch that movie.

• 1:57:26Speaker 01

  It's a fucking phenomenal movie.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  It'll take you out, it's so fucking si, Burt Young, Caddyshack.

• 1:57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:32Speaker 02

  Chevy Chase was pretty cool in that movie, too, it was just a great movie.

• 1:57:35Speaker 01

  Amazing movies.

• 1:57:36Speaker 02

  Danger, Ted Knight, holy shit, so funny.

• 1:57:39Speaker 01

  Looks good on you, though. Back to School's an all-time classic, it's an all-time classic.

• 1:57:43Speaker 02

  That's probably my favorite of them, just, it's so.

• 1:57:45Speaker 01

  Interesting on the band. Dangerfield's manager at the time sent an angry letter to Johnny Carson, accusing him of telling one of Dangerfield's jokes on air without booking or paying the comedian. Carson's reaction annoyed, Carson read the letter live on The Tonight Show, repeated the joke completely deadpan, without any comedic timing, and quipped that if it was Dangerfield's best material, the comic was in trouble.

• 1:58:10Speaker 02

  That's not nice.

• 1:58:11Speaker 01

  Wow. Dangerfield felt deeply humiliated and wrote multiple apology letters to Carson, but received no response. Carson subsequently blacklisted him from the program. The Copacabana Encounter, the reconciliation, years later, Dangerfield was performing a sold-out gig at the Copacabana when Carson and his entourage arrived trying to get in. The apology, Dangerfield personally seated them, went up to Carson and apologized face-to-face, admitting he was in the wrong for his manager's aggressive letter. The result, Carson appreciated the gesture, and within a week, Dangerfield made his triumphant return to The Tonight Show, he went on to make over seventy appearances

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  with his rapid-fire, self-deprecating humor frequently causing Carson to lose his composure and crack up on live television. Seventy, it's crazy.

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  Carson could be a bit of a cunt, I think, I mean, I mean, the thing he did to Joan Rivers as well, where he just, she got a show, and he's like, you're dead to me. I, I think that's not cool, man.

• 1:59:11Speaker 01

  It's power.

• 1:59:12Speaker 02

  It's power, but it's like.

• 1:59:13Speaker 01

  Cunt-y power.

• 1:59:14Speaker 02

  I love, I love, obviously, I appreciate Johnny Carson, I think he's incredible, but like, you're building these people up, like, I think it's pretty shit, and Joan Rivers is like.

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  Also, you're the, the super happy, friendly, smiley guy on TV.

• 1:59:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he was a dark dude, of course, I mean, all those guys, if you put out friendly and happy, there's a darkness. Any comic I see who's like, I'm your best friend, you're like, you're fucking sick, you know, it's, anytime I see someone who's like, the warm cuddly guy, I trust people who are more, who are, who are kinda dicks onstage, so I'm like, they're getting it out.

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  Like male feminists.

• 1:59:46Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:59:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Those little always.

• 1:59:49Speaker 02

  And like, most guys are just like, yeah, yeah, of course we support women, but then when you're like, performative about it, I'm like, you're a fucking asshole.

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:59:57Speaker 02

  You want someone to say, good for you, thank you.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  Good for you, thank you.

• 2:00:00Speaker 02

  You're one of the good ones.

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  For using your platform.

• 2:00:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:04Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, there's.

• 2:00:06Speaker 01

  Thank you for speaking truth to power.

• 2:00:07Speaker 02

  Anything performative, yeah, but any of the comic who's like, I'm your best friend, I'm like, I know you're cheating your wife, dude. Don't fucking, don't, it's so annoying, and it's like, and Carson, look, he had that Midwest appeal, too, he also had a terrible mother, like.

• 2:00:21Speaker 01

  Well, him and Stern hated each other.

• 2:00:24Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I always thought that was odd, like, Stern always hated him, and talked a lot of shit about him.

• 2:00:28Speaker 02

  But he loves Letterman.

• 2:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, odd. Yeah, the Leno thing, I think, was.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  It was cuz of The Tonight Show.

• 2:00:37Speaker 01

  It was a little of that, but the Leno thing, or Carson did, but didn't, but Howard had a thing with Leno, too.

• 2:00:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I think it was cuz he got The Tonight Show and Letterman didn't.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  I think it was accusing him of using bits from the Stern Show on The Tonight Show.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  God, it's funny, that little shit.

• 2:00:56Speaker 01

  See, that's true.

• 2:00:57Speaker 02

  It will hurt, I had a comic do that to me once, where they did a bit, and I didn't really care, but I was like, I don't, just don't fucking do it.

• 2:01:04Speaker 01

  Ooh, it's ugly. It's like, it changes who you think, who you think they are, it changes everything, especially if you know that they saw you do a bit, and then they do a version of that.

• 2:01:14Speaker 02

  It's hard to write a bit, so it's like, when, and especially if it's a personal one, that's when you're like, oh, come on, dude.

• 2:01:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, I watched some guy the other day on Instagram, call out some guy for a bit, and he showed his bit, and then that guy's bit, and the guy was like, not a comic, but he's like, doing comedians' bits, like, in, in these videos, in these reels.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  I used to get mad at it, now I just, I don't give a shit, I just, I'm too tired to care about that shit, but like, I used to get annoyed at all these Instagram accounts, like, who were just blowing up by using other people's content, I would annoy them, but now I just, I don't give a shit.

• 2:01:48Speaker 01

  Remember that one black guy that got in trouble because he was doing Patrice? Remember that?

• 2:01:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:01:52Speaker 01

  He was like, really getting a following. He was a young guy, like, like, he was doing, he was like, a streamer, and he was really getting a following, and he was saying.

• 2:02:01Speaker 02

  Weird, it's like, is it performance art, is it a tribute band, but you're not, it's so weird.

• 2:02:05Speaker 01

  He tried to play it off that way, but he wasn't crediting him. Like, if you're gonna do a Bill Hicks bit, you have to say, this is hilarious Bill Hicks bit.

• 2:02:14Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 2:02:15Speaker 01

  Then say the bit. You can't just say it and say, that was a Bill Hicks bit.

• 2:02:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love shouting out some of my favorite comic bits all the time, like, I love, oh god, I love, you know who's got one of my favorite jokes ever? Do you know Adrienne Ippolucci?

• 2:02:27Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:02:28Speaker 02

  I love, she's one of my favorite jokes of all time, where she says, uh, "My boyfriend threatened to commit suicide," and I was like, great, now I can't kill myself, or people are gonna think we were in love. That's an incredible joke. That is such a, it's like there's not one ounce of fat.

• 2:02:42Speaker 01

  Only she could say.

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  Totally, but there's not one ounce of fat.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:45Speaker 02

  And it's such a deeply personal moment. You know she thought that like in a fight or something. I'm like, oh, I love. When you feel that it's, there's such a truth to it, it's so beautiful. I, I love a great joke like that. It tells got a million jokes that I'm just like jealous of, but.

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  I think the real issue with the thieves is that the inclination to steal is directly opposite of the mindset that's required to create.

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  Well, we're talking about AI, right? We're talking about, I mean, it's the laziness. I mean, you.

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  Well, AI is stealing from all of us.

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  It's stealing from the entire human race.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  But it's the same thing. It's like, you know, you're, you're looking, it's a shortcut, right? So you don't want to do the work and part of the fun, part of the excitement of the new bit is failing and then honing it and getting it to where it wants to be and, and the excitement, but uh. Yeah, that's, I look at, think of the jokes that, you know, you put in specials and you're like, well, that wasn't always a good joke. That's fun that it, it got somewhere, you know?

• 2:03:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh no, it's great when you have a bit that fails forever. Like Chris Rock always talks about that bit, like, I love black people, I hate N-words.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:44Speaker 01

  Like that bit, he apparently bombed at for like a year.

• 2:03:47Speaker 02

  Can you imagine bombing that bit? That's not like a, because there's certain bits that you're like, okay, I can bomb, but when you're on that edge of saying something really fucked up.

• 2:03:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:03:56Speaker 02

  And working out this really provocative bit, but you know, that's why Rock is, is one of the best ever, you know?

• 2:04:00Speaker 01

  Well, he's more than willing to take that chance and walk that plank. Like he would do that at the store all the time. Like I remember one time I brought him up at the store and the first thing he, the audience went nuts. Obviously he's there, they went crazy. And the first thing he said, relax, it ain't gonna be that funny.

• 2:04:15Speaker 02

  Lower your expectations. That's what he always says.

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  He's saying, I'm working on some new stuff.

• 2:04:19Speaker 02

  I love watching him work on stuff. He's so, uh, he's so funny. I.

• 2:04:23Speaker 01

  That's such a bold move though.

• 2:04:25Speaker 02

  I went into him on the street with a girl I'm dating and he's so smooth. He's so good. Like, I was like, oh, this is Morgan, this is my girlfriend. He goes, I've heard so much about you. He's just hamming it up and she's like, wow. I'm like, oh, he's the man. He really, he really hooked me up. And, but he, he always says the funniest thing to me because he always says, you young guys are on the road too much. You burn out. Uh, and he saw me with a, with a roll in a duffel bag down the street once because we don't live that far from each other. And he sees me rolling it and he just looks at me like, god damn it. And he goes, even LeBron has an off season. He always finds the most, the perfect, shortest amount of words to say. He's, Chris is so funny.

• 2:05:03Speaker 01

  He's very funny.

• 2:05:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I always, that's the first album I, I got me in a stand-up was, uh, Roll With The New, his album. And I was, I remember listening to it. And being too young to get half the jokes probably, but I had a CD and I'm listening to it and my mom just saw me laughing and she's like, what is he laughing this hard at? And she, I remember putting the headphones on and the look of horror on my mom's face, but then followed thirty seconds later, she's laughing. And I was like, oh, that's incredible. That, that, that's how good Chris's comedy is, that he can shock you in a setup and then like pull you back in with a punchline.

• 2:05:36Speaker 01

  Also, when you weren't ready for a comedy show, you didn't anticipate it, you didn't drive to a place and sit down.

• 2:05:41Speaker 02

  But I have a cool mom. Like she, she gets, she understands how, how brilliant his bits are, you know? I mean.

• 2:05:48Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  It was cool. It was a cool moment for me to be like, oh wow, my mom thinks this is good.

• 2:05:52Speaker 01

  Bring the pain is like one of the greatest specials of all time.

• 2:05:55Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 2:05:55Speaker 01

  Of all time.

• 2:05:56Speaker 02

  And the next one, bigger than black, I mean, they're, I mean, I, I enjoy all this stuff.

• 2:06:00Speaker 01

  Those two, back to back, I'll put them up against any special ever.

• 2:06:02Speaker 02

  I agree. I mean, it was, it was crazy. And it was like, uh, man, it was just provocative bit after provocative bit, but he delivered. It wasn't like shock for the sake of shock. I think of the, the, the other bit I love about. How we need to make bullets cost $5,000 because then you would, there would be no innocent bystanders. Like, that's a brilliant bit. Like, I, I bust a cap in your ass if I could afford it. That's a great bit.

• 2:06:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's got a bang of, he's got a.

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  He emptied $50,000 to me. He must've done something.

• 2:06:34Speaker 02

  Great, great jokes. Cause that's actually like, those jokes that actually you're like, oh, this actually is a good idea.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:42Speaker 02

  Those ones where you're like, I know you're being funny right now, but that's actually, that's actually really smart.

• 2:06:47Speaker 01

  You know who doesn't get enough credit? His brother.

• 2:06:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a very good comic.

• 2:06:50Speaker 01

  His brother, Tony's fantastic. He doesn't get enough credit.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 2:06:55Speaker 01

  He's, like, when you are the brother of one of the greatest of all time, that's a tough spot to be in.

• 2:07:02Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:07:03Speaker 01

  But it's like, people judge him by that.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  How many baseball players do you see who have a brother in the major leagues? Like think about what you did to get to the major leagues.

• 2:07:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:07:12Speaker 02

  But it's like, you're not talking about, uh, Mike Maddox. You're talking about Greg Maddox, right? It's like very, but Mike Maddox is a good pitcher. About Jason Giambi, there's Jeremy Giambi. You know, it's fucking tough. You made it to the major leagues.

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:25Speaker 02

  But that, but yeah, but it's must be very, and he's got another brother as a stand-up. I mean, it's very difficult.

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  Is the other brother the youngest?

• 2:07:31Speaker 02

  He's the youngest, Jordan, yeah. But it's.

• 2:07:33Speaker 01

  Why not? Fuck it. What, do you want a regular job? It's obviously in your family.

• 2:07:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:37Speaker 01

  Just do it.

• 2:07:38Speaker 02

  But it's so much harder. I mean, like, if your fam, I mean, it's hard.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  People have expectations.

• 2:07:44Speaker 02

  They don't talk about the challenges of being Frank Sinatra Jr.

• 2:07:46Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 2:07:47Speaker 02

  You know?

• 2:07:47Speaker 01

  Or Frank Stallone.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. He had a song. He had that, he had that single.

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  What was it?

• 2:07:53Speaker 02

  I don't remember. Pull it up. It's in the Travolta movie. It's not bad. It's very, it's what you would picture Frank Stallone singing, but actually like, I don't mind it actually.

• 2:08:00Speaker 01

  Listen, it's fine, but I mean, his brother is in some of the biggest movies in the history of the universe.

• 2:08:05Speaker 02

  He's amazing, but uh.

• 2:08:06Speaker 01

  What do you do with that? You know, it's like.

• 2:08:08Speaker 02

  You sing. You sing one song, single. And he, he acted a little bit. I mean, look, John Belushi, Jim Belushi did a good career.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  Jim Belushi probably has the best career out of a famous brother.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  He's a good actor.

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah.

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  Thief?

• 2:08:20Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. He's done a lot of good stuff.

• 2:08:22Speaker 02

  He's in some really good movies.

• 2:08:23Speaker 04

  Frank Stallone's got a lot of hits in a bunch of movies.

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  Far From Over, that's the one.

• 2:08:26Speaker 04

  Rambo.

• 2:08:27Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, Staying Alive was him?

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:08:29Speaker 04

  Not the song, but movie, it's a song in the movie.

• 2:08:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I was like, what are you talking about?

• 2:08:33Speaker 02

  No, Far From Over is the one. That's the one where he's like.

• 2:08:36Speaker 04

  Top 10?

• 2:08:36Speaker 01

  Top 10, US Billboard Hot 100 featured prominently in the dance drama film Staying Alive in 1983.

• 2:08:44Speaker 02

  Never gonna give you up?

• 2:08:46Speaker 01

  Wow. Take You Back. Oh, he, he, that song from Rocky Balboa, 2006.

• 2:08:51Speaker 02

  I like all those Rocky movies. I, I even like, I think the Creed movies were great. I, I really enjoyed them. I thought they were terrific.

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  I never saw any of them.

• 2:08:58Speaker 02

  Dude, it's so good. The first one's amazing.

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  I gave up on Rocky after the Tommy Morrison movie.

• 2:09:05Speaker 02

  Which one was that?

• 2:09:06Speaker 01

  I don't know. Four or five.

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  That was five, I think. No dude, the new Creed.

• 2:09:10Speaker 01

  I was like, we're good.

• 2:09:10Speaker 02

  Michael B. Jordan's unbelievable. And, and it's a great story because it's, uh, it's, he's Creed's son. I mean, it's like, it makes sense that he'd be angry and like my dad fucking abandoned us and.

• 2:09:20Speaker 01

  I get it. I'm just overwhelmed.

• 2:09:23Speaker 02

  I get it. You would love it. It's, the first one's excellent. And they bring back fucking Dolph Lundgren for the second.

• 2:09:29Speaker 01

  Oh really?

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  He's awesome. It's his son. It's fun, dude. You would like the first Creed.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  Make me watch it? Son of a bitch.

• 2:09:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. You'll text me and you'll be like, this is fucking good.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 2:09:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:40Speaker 01

  If not, I'll never say it on the air. Yeah, I don't, I just like, there's a certain amount of movies after a certain point in time.

• 2:09:48Speaker 02

  I watch too many movies.

• 2:09:49Speaker 01

  That's the problem.

• 2:09:50Speaker 02

  I love, I still watch so fucking many movies, dude.

• 2:09:54Speaker 01

  You know what's fucking fantastic?

• 2:09:55Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  The Gentleman, that show.

• 2:09:57Speaker 02

  Oh, I've heard it's good.

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  On Netflix?

• 2:09:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw the movie.

• 2:10:01Speaker 01

  What's the movie? Oh, the movie's.

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  McConaughey. It's fun.

• 2:10:04Speaker 01

  The same thing. The movie is about the same thing. This is like different, pull it down, pull it down. The movie is same thing. It's all about weed dealers. But, uh, the movie's excellent. The series is equally excellent, but two seasons worth of, you know, eight hours.

• 2:10:22Speaker 02

  So it's new?

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Each. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah.

• 2:10:28Speaker 01

  And.

• 2:10:31Speaker 01

  No one in there is like a big name. It's fucking great, man.

• 2:10:34Speaker 02

  Damn, I'm so, I'm so reluctant to commit to TV shows because if a movie's bad, I'm like, all right, that was 90 minutes and whatever. But a TV show, if I get roped. I'm liking Slow Horses a lot. That's a fucking great one.

• 2:10:45Speaker 01

  That's a great show.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  I love that shit.

• 2:10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm on that now because The Gentleman, I finished.

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 2:10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, Slow Horses is great.

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 2:10:52Speaker 01

  Like Gary Oldman can do no wrong.

• 2:10:54Speaker 02

  I agree. He's so good. And it's like.

• 2:10:56Speaker 01

  And he varies so wildly.

• 2:10:58Speaker 02

  He really does.

• 2:10:59Speaker 01

  He was Dracula. He was that, uh, the, the white guy in True Romance that thought he was black with the scar and the whole.

• 2:11:08Speaker 02

  I can't watch that scene with James Gandolfini beating the shit out of her. That's like one of the toughest scenes to watch. Yeah, that movie's unbelievable. I love True Romance. The same song from Badlands, that like, that kind of cheerful score.

• 2:11:21Speaker 01

  Wasn't that a Tarantino script as well? That was, right?

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, he wrote that.

• 2:11:26Speaker 02

  Tony Scott.

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  Completely makes sense.

• 2:11:27Speaker 02

  But he said he changed the ending. Like he made a, the ending, they were supposed to die in Tarantino's and Tarantino was like pissed at first, but then he saw it and he was like, oh, that's, that's a good ending for this movie. Cause you know, a director makes it their own, I guess, but he hated Natural Born Killers though.

• 2:11:42Speaker 01

  Did he really?

• 2:11:43Speaker 02

  Hated it. He wrote that too, but I guess they changed it so much, he hated it.

• 2:11:47Speaker 01

  How much shit did that guy write?

• 2:11:49Speaker 02

  He's written some fucking good shit.

• 2:11:51Speaker 01

  Bangers.

• 2:11:52Speaker 02

  You know what no one ever talks about either, which is one of his best movies is Jackie Brown. That's a fucking amazing movie.

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  Fucking amazing movie. We were just talking about the other day, the scene with, when, uh, Robert De Niro shoots Bridget Fonda.

• 2:12:03Speaker 02

  Cr- shocking. Shocking shit. That's one of the best, that's one of his, because you know what? That movie has more heart than any movie's ever made. Cause it's like, he's so great, but that movie for some reason, like you really care. Like in Pulp Fiction, it's, it's a masterpiece, but you don't really care about the characters. You really care about her and him, like getting away with it and this.

• 2:12:22Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I'd put him, he's in my top two or three. He might be number one for me.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  He doesn't miss much. I mean, it's like, I loved his latest one.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  Death Proof was the only one where I was like, I don't.

• 2:12:32Speaker 02

  It wasn't my favorite.

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• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  But it's still a lot of time in Hollywood, it's fantastic.

• 2:14:04Speaker 02

  I loved it.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  It's fantastic.

• 2:14:06Speaker 02

  I saw it with Ari in seventy millimeter and it was like a really fucking fun day. It was like a really, it's one of the, it's so fun to see a movie like that for the first time with a friend. And you just turn, in the theater and you just turn to each other like, like that's the fun of going to a movie theater is like, those moments that, yeah, no, that was incredible.

• 2:14:24Speaker 01

  I saw that one with Chappelle, Donnell Rawlings and Ian Edwards.

• 2:14:30Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:14:30Speaker 01

  We were the only people in the movie theater. We rented the theater out, so we did an arena and then we left the arena and went to see it. They set it up for us. And we went there and they just had like a whole table full of candy, just grab whatever candy you wanted.

• 2:14:44Speaker 02

  Seen Django with those fellows.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  That'd have been intense.

• 2:14:48Speaker 02

  No, that's a, dude, I was blown away by that one. I just thought it looked so, it's also a movie that it's on TV all the time. And if it's on, you're just like, yeah, Brad Pitt, you're fucking so cool in this movie.

• 2:14:57Speaker 01

  It's also a movie where like, wait a minute, you took an actual event and completely changed what happened.

• 2:15:03Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 2:15:04Speaker 01

  In an actual historical event.

• 2:15:05Speaker 02

  Cause it's one of the most heartbreaking stories ever. Fucking pregnant woman you murdered.

• 2:15:11Speaker 01

  And you wrote pig on the wall? That's another MK Ultra fucking deal.

• 2:15:15Speaker 02

  That's Manson, that, yeah, that was, yeah, Roman Polanski then goes on, it, it, the chain of events that sets off is crazy. Cause Roman Polanski is super fucked in the head after that, obviously. And that's why we probably get the ending of Chinatown that we get because of that. Cause he's like, things don't work out. The original script isn't that.

• 2:15:37Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  The ending is like, yeah, this is what happens in life. That's why it's a hopeless ending, probably because of that. So was it worth it? No, I'm kidding. Obviously not. It was awful, but it was a, it's an amazing fucking movie, though.

• 2:15:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:53Speaker 02

  One of the most tragic, uh, yeah, I mean, that's why the ending is actually kind of emotional when she lets him in. Because you're like, this isn't what happened.

• 2:16:02Speaker 01

  I forgot the ending of Chinatown. I haven't seen Chinatown in 20 years.

• 2:16:05Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 2:16:06Speaker 01

  At least, more.

• 2:16:08Speaker 02

  Maybe a top five movie ever.

• 2:16:09Speaker 01

  I remember, I saw it in a movie theater when I was a little kid. I remember being shocked.

• 2:16:13Speaker 02

  Shit. How old were you?

• 2:16:14Speaker 01

  Oh, I was little.

• 2:16:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, you should not have been.

• 2:16:17Speaker 01

  No, definitely not. But I remember when he got his nose cut by the switchblade, I was like, huh.

• 2:16:23Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:16:23Speaker 01

  Remember when they sliced Jet?

• 2:16:24Speaker 02

  Fuck it, that was Polanski who sliced him.

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Was it?

• 2:16:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:27Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 2:16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's hard to beat Nicholson in terms of cool. He was just the coolest.

• 2:16:34Speaker 01

  He did some bangers, that's for sure.

• 2:16:37Speaker 02

  That and Last Detail and One Flew Over Cuckoo's Nest and Five Easy Rider, uh, and Easy Rider and Five Easy Pieces like in succession is fucking insane.

• 2:16:45Speaker 01

  The ending of One Flew Over Cuckoo's Nest, when he's, when they have zapped his brain out and you see him sitting there.

• 2:16:53Speaker 02

  Isn't that the worst?

• 2:16:54Speaker 01

  Oh, they did that to a lot of people, man.

• 2:16:56Speaker 02

  Beautiful fucking ending, but like, but that's also, dude, that movie fucking, I saw that too young, probably. But that just made you, that was like, oh, he's the cool guy. He wants to be the fucking center of attention. It's like, he's kind of like a comedian and all these crazy people. It's like, he's the center of attention. He's trying to lift their spirits. The scene where she won't let him watch the World Series?

• 2:17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:18Speaker 02

  And he just goes on and he starts, he has the votes, but she won't let him watch because she counts the votes downstairs. And he just starts narrating the World Series as if it's happening on TV, but it's not. That's one of the most fucking beautiful scenes in any movie ever.

• 2:17:32Speaker 01

  It's also like that world of mental health institutions is so spooky. Cause especially back then, people could just decide you were crazy and keep you in a place like that.

• 2:17:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also that was like the anti-authority, like every seventies movie was anti-authority and ended with you getting like shot in the face or murdered. So like Network, Bonnie and Clyde, it's always you getting like murdered in the end.

• 2:17:54Speaker 01

  I wonder how much the CIA had to do with that? Like the endings of those films?

• 2:17:58Speaker 02

  All those, well dude, it was hopelessness, right? It was like, everything's hopeless, you're gonna lose.

• 2:18:02Speaker 01

  They're always gonna get you.

• 2:18:03Speaker 02

  I mean, everyone talks about this dark shit, but it got us some good movies.

• 2:18:06Speaker 01

  Who's, like, is there a movie where like, like a sort of, uh,

• 2:18:13Speaker 01

  a film where the bad guy gets away in that era?

• 2:18:16Speaker 02

  The bad guy, I mean, God, probably a lot.

• 2:18:18Speaker 01

  Like No Country For Old Men?

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  I mean, Chinatown is one. He literally takes her away. He takes the girl away, the daughter that he's molested her mother and he's gonna molest her. Like he takes her away, that's how the movie ends and she gets shot. Yeah, it's like, sorry for spoilers if you haven't seen Chinatown, still worth seeing, even though you know the ending now, but.

• 2:18:34Speaker 01

  What year was that movie?

• 2:18:35Speaker 02

  I think seventy-four or something, yeah. But it was like, oh dude, a lot of movies ended, I mean.

• 2:18:41Speaker 01

  So I was seven.

• 2:18:41Speaker 02

  I'll give you a big budget one that ended dark. Empire Strikes Back.

• 2:18:47Speaker 02

  Han Solo's in Carbonite, the bad guys win.

• 2:18:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they're setting you up first.

• 2:18:51Speaker 02

  They're setting you up, but like, dark, yeah, I'm trying to think of that era.

• 2:18:54Speaker 04

  Alien, the bad guy wins?

• 2:18:56Speaker 02

  Alien, what's another one though that from the seventies where like?

• 2:18:59Speaker 01

  No, in Alien, the bad guy doesn't.

• 2:19:01Speaker 04

  Corporate evil wins, I guess is what it says.

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  Corporate evil wins in Network for sure. Network is.

• 2:19:06Speaker 04

  I had perplexity, in the sixties or eighties were the films where the bad guy wins and it gave me this list of films right here.

• 2:19:11Speaker 01

  Oh, Network, I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore?

• 2:19:14Speaker 02

  Fucking, 10 out of 10 movie. That's like, that's fucking perfect. Oh, The Thing, that's good.

• 2:19:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  Invasion, The Body Snatchers.

• 2:19:24Speaker 01

  Is this a movie where all the bad guys win?

• 2:19:26Speaker 04

  I asked perplexity.

• 2:19:28Speaker 02

  Oh, Rosemary's Baby is a good one. Man, I just read Zinnaman, the New York Times guy's book on horror movies. It's fucking great. It's called Shock Value and he talks about Rosemary's Baby and like, all the horror movies of that era. It's worth a read if you haven't read it, but it's a, yeah, I guess that movie like that ending too, where it's like, you think the mom's gonna, she's gonna kill the devil. She just gave birth to Satan and you think she's gonna kill the fucking baby, but instead she's like, this is my baby, I gotta keep it.

• 2:19:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:55Speaker 02

  So, so enjoy that pro lifers.

• 2:19:57Speaker 01

  Rosemary's Baby, there was a guy who was in Rosemary's Baby that owned the first place that we bought, that we were gonna put the mothership at. He was a cult leader. He was actually an extra in Rosemary's Baby. That was like his one claim to fame. Yeah, he's a very handsome guy, was a yoga teacher, who was a hypnotist.

• 2:20:17Speaker 02

  Bikram.

• 2:20:18Speaker 01

  Also a gay porn star.

• 2:20:20Speaker 02

  That's a, that's a fucking jack of all trades. Yoga porn, fuck.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was a documentary about him. It's called Holy Hell.

• 2:20:29Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:20:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:30Speaker 02

  Gay porn star in there must have been fucking scary.

• 2:20:33Speaker 01

  Right?

• 2:20:33Speaker 02

  I mean, what, the sixties?

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  No, this was, uh, I think he was doing gay porn in probably the seventies or the eighties. It had to be the, I think the movie, Rosemary's Baby, I think was in the seventies. And so he was, by then, I think he was out of acting. He's probably, he probably did porn in the eighties. Cause he was in, it was like, what year was Waco? That was the nineties, right?

• 2:20:57Speaker 02

  I'm not sure I think so.

• 2:20:58Speaker 01

  So by the time Waco had rolled around, the Waco tragedy, he was already running a cult. And so that's one of the reasons why he moved to Austin. He had a cult in West Hollywood and the Cult Awareness Network was investigating him. Cause after Waco, they started cracking down on cults. They're like, hey.

• 2:21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is not ending well.

• 2:21:17Speaker 01

  This is a problem.

• 2:21:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:18Speaker 01

  And so this fucking guy moved to Austin and changed his name. No internet back then, right? Nobody knew anything. Changed his name and then started this new cult out here and had his followers build him a theater.

• 2:21:35Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 2:21:35Speaker 01

  And that theater is called the One World Theater.

• 2:21:38Speaker 02

  I thought you were gonna say the Paramount, I was like.

• 2:21:40Speaker 01

  So this One World Theater is out like Western Austin and it was for sale.

• 2:21:47Speaker 02

  How big is it?

• 2:21:47Speaker 01

  It's a big theater. Uh, I mean, not a big theater, not like thousands. I think probably it's seated, six, five, six hundred.

• 2:21:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:21:56Speaker 01

  With a balcony, not that big.

• 2:21:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but.

• 2:21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, good size.

• 2:21:59Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 2:21:59Speaker 01

  Decent, but beautiful place. Maybe even less, maybe like four. But anyway, Ron White did it and he told me, because when we talked about buying a place, he goes, you should buy this fucking theater. I did it, it's amazing, I fucking killed there. He's telling me about this beautiful theater, that was fucking beautiful. Used to be owned by a cult. I thought, oh, that'd be hilarious. I'll buy a place owned by a cult. And then Adam Ega, after we like signed papers and everything, Adam Ega calls me up, he goes, hey, did you see the documentary on that cult? And I would go, oh no.

• 2:22:31Speaker 01

  They never make documentaries on the cults where it worked out great.

• 2:22:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:22:35Speaker 01

  And this one's rough. So this one, it was like, years into the cult. One guy in the early two thousands leaves and when he leaves, he sends a mass email and he says, hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and buttfucking me for the past 10 years.

• 2:22:50Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 2:22:50Speaker 01

  And then all these other people like.

• 2:22:52Speaker 02

  That's his way of being, I'm not gay. He tricked me.

• 2:22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, he liked to fuck the straight guys. It was like part of his therapy.

• 2:22:59Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:23:00Speaker 01

  He would charge them for it too.

• 2:23:02Speaker 02

  Ah, that's the worst part.

• 2:23:03Speaker 01

  The documentary's crazy. It was like 50 bucks. The documentary's crazy.

• 2:23:06Speaker 02

  That's a weird amount to charge.

• 2:23:09Speaker 01

  You know, I just don't wanna be rude, he's buttfucking these guys.

• 2:23:11Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 2:23:12Speaker 01

  But when he confesses that this guy's been doing that to him, everybody else says, oh my God, he's been doing it to me too.

• 2:23:19Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:23:20Speaker 01

  And then it all falls apart.

• 2:23:21Speaker 02

  That is fucking crazy. I mean, that is, and you almost had that theater.

• 2:23:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, I had it. I had, I was under contract and everything, I had to get out of it.

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  But Adam got you out of it.

• 2:23:29Speaker 01

  No, no, no, we got out of it because there wasn't, you know, when you buttfuck people and charge them $50, generally they don't bill your billings to code.

• 2:23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:39Speaker 01

  And so.

• 2:23:39Speaker 02

  You gotta charge comedy tickets at least 50 too.

• 2:23:41Speaker 01

  We got, we got, we got out on a loophole, there was an issue.

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  Good for you for getting out of that.

• 2:23:47Speaker 01

  Beautiful building though.

• 2:23:48Speaker 02

  Also then, why, it's not like you're buying Epstein's Island and redoing it, why can't you do a theater? Really? So what's gonna happen with the theater now?

• 2:23:55Speaker 01

  Oh, they're doing something with it, I don't know, somebody else owns it now. It's a beautiful place and it's on a great piece of land, but it was just like the bad juju in that room was just too much.

• 2:24:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess the story's rough, you don't wanna be associated.

• 2:24:06Speaker 01

  Talking about it like, dude, we're gonna have to burn sage in this place for like four years just to clean out. I mean, just think about all these poor kids that like went to take yoga classes and like.

• 2:24:14Speaker 02

  Well, someone's buying Epstein's Island, someone's buying his penthouse. You're getting a discount, but you're right, the vibes.

• 2:24:20Speaker 01

  His ranch, he's got that ranch where there's like bodies missing.

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  Oof.

• 2:24:24Speaker 01

  They think there might be bodies, isn't there a search for bodies at the ranch? Wasn't that something recently?

• 2:24:29Speaker 02

  But they're gonna turn that island into some sort of resort. I'm sure it's gonna be, if you're like at a discount, I'm sure if you wanna go on vacation with your wife and you're like, why is this one so cheaper? That's gonna be fucking so cheaper. The whiskey's heading.

• 2:24:40Speaker 01

  Why have I seen that building before?

• 2:24:43Speaker 02

  Well, it's a nice, I'm sure it's a nice townhouse, but yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't wanna.

• 2:24:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:48Speaker 02

  If you're, once you're in that tax bracket, you know?

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  That's one of the darkest things in the Epstein emails was the sulfuric acid.

• 2:24:56Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:24:57Speaker 01

  Do you know about that?

• 2:24:58Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 2:24:58Speaker 01

  They found out that he had, I forget how many gallons. I think it was something to the, in the neighborhood of 300 gallons of sulfuric acid.

• 2:25:10Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 2:25:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:12Speaker 02

  That's fucking weird.

• 2:25:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he ordered the shipment, I think after he was indicted. If I'm, if I'm correct.

• 2:25:20Speaker 04

  I remember we looked it up and it had to do with like water cleaners.

• 2:25:23Speaker 01

  Eh, yeah.

• 2:25:24Speaker 04

  Just to be plausible.

• 2:25:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think someone said it had to do with the desalination plant.

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  He also seems so stupid. You see those emails of him and everyone's like, he was so persuasive and charming. And the emails, you're like, you seem like a fucking Neanderthal, the way you talk.

• 2:25:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I mean, the other people, I think they all felt protected.

• 2:25:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he was just so fucking. Yeah, he probably felt untouchable. You're squeezing people who are this powerful. You're like, who's gonna fucking come for me? I remember James Patterson wrote that book, like, Trashing him before all this shit went down, because they were neighbors in Florida. So he took out like a hit piece on him, like, way back in the day. It was a whole book being like, this guy's a piece of shit.

• 2:26:01Speaker 01

  When was this?

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  Probably like the 20 teens. I mean, he had already been arrested for that, but it wasn't as, it wasn't for, for statutory, whatever. But it wasn't, it wasn't when it was a massive media story.

• 2:26:11Speaker 01

  That was the second arrest.

• 2:26:12Speaker 02

  But they were neighbors. He's like, I fucking hate this guy.

• 2:26:14Speaker 01

  I think a lot of it boils down to one lady who was a reporter who chased the story down.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:19Speaker 01

  Because I think she was outraged that he got like that sweetheart deal at first.

• 2:26:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  Fuck. That's gonna be like, the crazy thing is, that's like the story that just keeps going. It won't go away. And it probably won't for, think about, you're talking about JFK, 12 years. What, what are we gonna know about Epstein in 12 years?

• 2:26:37Speaker 01

  What's really disturbing is how many people went and met him after he had already been arrested.

• 2:26:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:44Speaker 01

  After.

• 2:26:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, once you know that, you gotta not.

• 2:26:47Speaker 01

  After.

• 2:26:48Speaker 02

  You gotta not do that.

• 2:26:48Speaker 01

  Went to jail. And then they're like, let's hang out.

• 2:26:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, let me email you, so there's a.

• 2:26:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  So there's a string of this forever.

• 2:26:55Speaker 01

  It's fucking dark, man. And then you gotta think, okay, we know about that one. How many of them are out there right now?

• 2:27:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:27:01Speaker 01

  How many of these, these fucking secret places are out there right now?

• 2:27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:08Speaker 01

  I've been invited to some weird shit, dude.

• 2:27:10Speaker 02

  Like what kind of shit?

• 2:27:11Speaker 01

  Weird shit.

• 2:27:12Speaker 02

  Like what?

• 2:27:12Speaker 01

  I don't wanna say too much.

• 2:27:14Speaker 02

  Don't say the names, I'll tell what.

• 2:27:15Speaker 01

  I've been invited to these like retreats. Where like people I don't know.

• 2:27:20Speaker 02

  Feels Eyes Wide Shut-y.

• 2:27:22Speaker 01

  And they invite me to, yeah, yeah, some, well, not, I wanna say Eyes Wide Shut, but very Illuminati-ish.

• 2:27:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:29Speaker 01

  Like invited me to go meet with these, you know, people that are like heads of industry. And I, you know, I remember saying like, why?

• 2:27:36Speaker 02

  Why do they want you there? Because you have a platform where you, where you can clearly trash these people.

• 2:27:42Speaker 01

  I think because they probably assumed that they could sweet talk me and do business with me and make it profitable for me. And so maybe I'll just like not talk about them, perhaps?

• 2:27:55Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 2:27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I've avoided every single one of those.

• 2:27:58Speaker 02

  That's very confident, though.

• 2:27:59Speaker 04

  So New Mexico has a fish, sorry. They officially launched a, uh. Truth Commission? To look into what happened at Zora Ranch. It says here. A former Texas state senator is currently running for office as a state comptroller. Bought it to make it a Christian retreat, reclaiming it for Jesus.

• 2:28:19Speaker 02

  That's a perfect cover, isn't it? Someone's getting nailed to a cross. It ain't fucking.

• 2:28:24Speaker 01

  Reclaiming it for Jesus is wild. The state's Epstein Truth Commission, this, New Mexico has a Truth Commission for Epstein. Held its first public meeting in February where members said that they would coordinate with the M, New Mexico Department of Justice. Uh, Rep Andrea Romero chairs the commission and its other members are rep, okay.

• 2:28:47Speaker 04

  They haven't found anything yet, or nothing published. This was in March 11th was the last update I could find on it.

• 2:28:52Speaker 01

  I got invited to go to Bohemian Grove.

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 2:28:56Speaker 01

  That's that place that Alex Jones found out about, that people said was bullshit. It's some place in Northern California where a bunch of elites get together and they. They wear robes and they chant and they worship a giant owl god.

• 2:29:07Speaker 02

  I don't like any of this.

• 2:29:08Speaker 01

  I don't like any of this.

• 2:29:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been invited to some weird shit. I've said no to every one of those things. I just wanna be clear on the record. Here, that's one thing about having made a lot of money. It's, you cannot really tempt me with a lot of money.

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 2:29:23Speaker 01

  Like, you know, not that I would be at all, like, I've always made enough money. I don't have like crazy extravagant tastes.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  I'm not a guy who's, I don't wear diamonds. I don't have a private jet.

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  Men who wear diamonds are fucking weird.

• 2:29:35Speaker 01

  It's odd. It's white guys, white guys who wear diamonds. It's very odd. I give black guys a little bit more slack.

• 2:29:41Speaker 02

  I guess so. It's all weird. It's like men who wear cologne. Like, what are we doing? I don't, there's something about it I don't quite trust. I guess if you're European, I give a pass for that one, but.

• 2:29:50Speaker 01

  But there's something about when you start, I, I think it's probably you get invited into these things and they want to bring you into the fold. You're like, you, you know, you're a super wealthy now.

• 2:30:02Speaker 02

  They wanna be, they wanna be close to you. They wanna be, you know.

• 2:30:05Speaker 01

  It's very odd. I've managed to keep my head above water and keep moving.

• 2:30:10Speaker 02

  You've got a family, you've got a lot of shit.

• 2:30:12Speaker 01

  But it's not even just that. I wouldn't be interested in the. I am busy, but I wouldn't be interested in the first place.

• 2:30:16Speaker 02

  I'm not saying that's, I'm not saying this schedule's keeping you from this. I'm just saying like.

• 2:30:19Speaker 01

  It's just odd that there's these kind of groups out there.

• 2:30:22Speaker 02

  I don't need any other shit. I don't want any extracurricular. I play pickup basketball with comics on Sunday and I'm kinda like, that's all I need. I do the road, I, I do sets. What else the fuck do I need? I'm, I'm very happy with my life.

• 2:30:36Speaker 01

  I'm, I have family, happy with the family. Everybody's great. Uh, play pool, I, uh, do sets.

• 2:30:42Speaker 02

  You're good at pool, right? I've heard you're good.

• 2:30:43Speaker 01

  I'm really good, yeah.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:44Speaker 01

  Uh, and.

• 2:30:45Speaker 02

  I knew you were good, because I remember the first time, when the first time we hung out, you talked about how shitty Tom Cruise looked in The Color of Money. And I was like, oh, Joe must be good. And I saw you hitting around like, he's fucking good.

• 2:30:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just you can't pretend that you're really good at pool.

• 2:30:57Speaker 02

  I'm terrible. I, I give away that I, I remember I did a Friars Club tournament early on. And I, and I got lucky and I won the first one. I just, for some reason the balls went in and I, but I was exposed, because the guy I was playing against was like, your form is shit. He's like, I know you're getting lucky. And I was, and I, I got my ass kicked.

• 2:31:13Speaker 01

  Well, someone who's really good, there's like a subtle way, they hold the cue and play with the cue. It's like, you ever see a movie where a guy's smoking cigarettes and you know that he doesn't really smoke cigarettes?

• 2:31:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, me.

• 2:31:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're in a movie and you're.

• 2:31:25Speaker 02

  And dude, anyone, I, it's any sport, though. If I see you making shots in basketball and I see your form is shit, I know you're.

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 2:31:32Speaker 02

  You're trash.

• 2:31:32Speaker 01

  But, or guitar playing. Like, you're watching, like, that guy doesn't really know those chords.

• 2:31:37Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 2:31:37Speaker 01

  Like, he's just fucking moving his fingers around, pretending he's a wizard.

• 2:31:41Speaker 02

  No, you easily, I mean, look, there's a few exceptions always. Sometimes people have a weird ass form and it works.

• 2:31:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:31:47Speaker 02

  But.

• 2:31:47Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 2:31:48Speaker 02

  You can usually tell.

• 2:31:48Speaker 01

  You know who's the best pool player ever in a movie? Jackie Gleason.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  That's one of my favorite movies, The Hustler.

• 2:31:54Speaker 01

  It's a great movie.

• 2:31:54Speaker 02

  Bro, that's, you know what, we talk about dark endings.

• 2:31:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:31:58Speaker 02

  We just talked about dark ending, The Hustler, Hud also, Paul, every Paul Newman movie. No, uh, but, uh, yeah, The Hustler.

• 2:32:04Speaker 01

  Hustle was very dark.

• 2:32:05Speaker 02

  Jackie Gleason in The Hust, Minnesota Fats, bro.

• 2:32:07Speaker 01

  He's phenomenal.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  He was so fucking, he, talk about a fucking drinker, too.

• 2:32:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 2:32:12Speaker 02

  Who do you think wins, Shane or Jackie Gleason, one on one?

• 2:32:15Speaker 01

  They both die. They both die. The world loses, because we lose both of them. They drink each other to death.

• 2:32:20Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 2:32:21Speaker 01

  I think Shane could probably outdrink him, though. Shane's an animal.

• 2:32:23Speaker 02

  Maybe because it's like.

• 2:32:24Speaker 01

  He's a bigger guy, too.

• 2:32:25Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like 60s basketball versus now. Like, I think Steph Curry's taking Bob Cousy. I think that's why I put Shane over Jackie Gleason. But Gleason. Those guys were animals. Do, I, you know what I read? Is that Spencer Tracy was such a fucking blackout drunk in the, in the 40s, whatever. That the studio would have to hire people to spy on him at bars and just like help him into a car, so it wasn't a news story. Because he was just such a known blackout alcoholic. And I was like, what a fucking amazing. What an amazing time.

• 2:32:53Speaker 01

  I think the difference also is that Gleason is a hard drinker. He's like hard, hard booze, whereas Shane is like light beer. His butt like.

• 2:33:01Speaker 02

  Shane monitors your drinks, too. If you're drinking with Shane, Shane's like, this one's almost empty, hands you another. You're like, god damn it, Shane, it's Tuesday.

• 2:33:08Speaker 01

  Uh, his favorite drink, Jackie Gleason's neat Scotch whiskey with no, no ice, no water, no soda.

• 2:33:15Speaker 02

  That's a drunk.

• 2:33:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, also known to introduce Frank Sinatra to Jack Daniels, helping it make, make its Sinatra's signature drink. Capacity boasts that he could drink more Scotch per hour than anyone alive.

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  I mean, he was, you could just tell he's drinking in that movie. That, that movie is like, man, that's one of my favorite movies ever.

• 2:33:36Speaker 01

  Refused traditional rehearsals for The Honeymooners, claiming a photographic memory. Though associates noted that heavy drinking offset sometimes contributed to forgotten lines or poor creative choices. Such as disastrous TV flop, You're in the Picture.

• 2:33:53Speaker 02

  Well, those guys back then were such drunks that like, people would just feed them lines and then be like, oh my god, his performance was so naturalistic. I'm like, yeah, dude, you fed him the line and then he said it. That's why it fucking felt real.

• 2:34:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, his drinking was matched with a massive appetite for food and a habit of smoking up to five packs of cigarettes a day.

• 2:34:09Speaker 02

  Wow. Five packs doesn't seem, that's not fucking possible.

• 2:34:12Speaker 01

  You could do it.

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  Five?

• 2:34:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could do it.

• 2:34:14Speaker 04

  I'm just thinking now, was it, has it always been 20 in a pack? Could have been 10 back then.

• 2:34:18Speaker 01

  No, you could do it. You could, you could smoke a hundred cigarettes a day.

• 2:34:21Speaker 02

  A hundred a day?

• 2:34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just keep smoking. You never stop smoking. I mean, you ever see that interview with him where he's just constantly, he's just chain smoking, one to the next, one to the next?

• 2:34:29Speaker 02

  A hundred is, five packs is absurd. One pack is bad, so five is fucking.

• 2:34:34Speaker 01

  Let's think, let's imagine you woke up at 10 a.m., uh, got a cup of coffee, smoked a cigarette, went out to the golf course, smoking cigarettes all the time you're playing golf.

• 2:34:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:43Speaker 01

  Like, he was. He was like a baby, like a big, like a, not a baby, like a happy child. Like a grown up, wealthy, happy child that just did whatever the fuck he wanted to. And just lived his life, had no concern whatsoever for his health. No concern for anything other than having fun.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  What did, where did Gleason make it to?

• 2:35:08Speaker 01

  Uh, six packs a day during the height of his career. Wow.

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  How, how old was he when he died?

• 2:35:15Speaker 01

  I don't think he was very old. I think he was in his 70s, early 70s. 71? You know, I've been really, uh, I really love Alan Watts. I love listening to Alan Watts speeches. He's just like, there's something about his accent and his. His philosophy with his accent. He was just such a great orator. And, you know, he's taught, he has these, such wise words to say about life. And he wrote a great book about the age of anxiety in 1952.

• 2:35:43Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:35:44Speaker 01

  In 1952, he was talking about.

• 2:35:46Speaker 02

  Wonder if it has anything to do with the six packs of cigarettes you're smoking?

• 2:35:49Speaker 01

  There's a lot, that was the problem with him. This wasn't Jackie Gleason, this is Alan Watts.

• 2:35:53Speaker 02

  But I mean, I'm talking about that generation of people that just fucking live like that.

• 2:35:56Speaker 01

  But Alan Watts as well. That's, that's the thing. Like, he's, he's writing and, and giving these speeches and they're so brilliant and beautiful and they resonate with you so hard. And then you find out. Oh, he died, he was 58, died, died of heart disease. He was smoking constantly, drinking, he was a fucking terrible alcoholic. He'd been married three times, he had seven kids. With three different wives. Like, his life was a mess.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  Doesn't stop you from being brilliant. I mean, how many, how many friends do you know who are the most toxic relationships you've ever seen? And then you ask them something and they give you the most profound advice?

• 2:36:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:36:28Speaker 02

  All the time. Just because you can still say, I mean, fucking Thomas Jefferson was preaching about how we shouldn't have slaves while impregnating slaves.

• 2:36:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:39Speaker 02

  It's easy to not look at your own paper and then speak with, you know.

• 2:36:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:44Speaker 02

  Intellect on issues that, you know.

• 2:36:46Speaker 01

  You wanna read something dark that's over there, uh, there's a book called The Zorg that Siddharth Kara wrote. Siddharth Kara is the guy who wrote, um, uh, Cobalt Red. It was all about the cobalt mining in the Congo. It's like an expos- it's, it's a, it's really dark. That's really dark too.

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  It's all bad.

• 2:37:05Speaker 01

  And he filmed it and explained it and showed it to us.

• 2:37:08Speaker 02

  Everything that's good for us has got a horrible origin, basically. Everything we enjoy.

• 2:37:12Speaker 01

  But The Zorg is crazy. The Zorg is the ship that essentially ended the transatlantic slave trade. Because the slave trade apparently was how the insurance industry came about. Because they were, wanted to insure their slaves as property. And then if a bunch of them died, they wanted to get compensated, so they would, they would, you know, buy a policy on their slave ship. And so this one boat lost like half of its slaves. And the, just the horrific conditions because they, they went to trial.

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:37:46Speaker 01

  For the insurance claim. And because they had to throw women and children off the boat because they ran out of water, because they missed Cuba and they were circling around.

• 2:37:53Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 2:37:54Speaker 01

  It is the darkest, or Jamaica. It is the darkest. It is so awful. And you gotta realize, like, that's only 200 years ago?

• 2:38:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:05Speaker 01

  200 fucking years ago? 200 fucking years ago this was going on?

• 2:38:08Speaker 02

  I mean, you think about how slavery was not that long ago. It's pretty crazy.

• 2:38:11Speaker 01

  Well, it's not even not that long ago. It's happening right now in the world.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:38:16Speaker 01

  But that kind of-

• 2:38:17Speaker 02

  I meant in America, yeah.

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  The Atlantic slave trade where they, they, they had people 16 inches per body on this boat. That's how stacked the boat was. And they have a diagram of these bodies, like how they made them lie down because that was the best way to conserve space. And they had them lie down on the ground shackled 16 inches per body.

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  And I'm pissed with Delta Comfort. It's fucked up. It's a fucked up time, man.

• 2:38:42Speaker 02

  It's a fucked up time. No, it's, uh, that's fucking awful. I think, yeah.

• 2:38:47Speaker 01

  It's dark. It's as dark as the Roy DeMayo shit.

• 2:38:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, when you look too closely at the ingredients of the country, it's like looking too closely.

• 2:38:57Speaker 01

  It's the ingredients of humans. That's the problem. Humans, when they're allowed to be awful, they-

• 2:39:03Speaker 02

  They'll do it.

• 2:39:04Speaker 01

  They'll do it. Yeah. Especially if they can get away with it. They'll do it.

• 2:39:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 2:39:09Speaker 01

  The cobalt shit's nuts.

• 2:39:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's our cellphone battery?

• 2:39:12Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 2:39:13Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 2:39:14Speaker 01

  Cellphone, electric cars, uh, most electronics laptops.

• 2:39:17Speaker 02

  I mean, look, there's no good, like, gas, cobalt, there's no good outcome for your car, really, right? Oil, it's, it's, there's, there's gonna be a shady way you're getting any of this, right?

• 2:39:26Speaker 01

  Oil's probably the best, honestly.

• 2:39:28Speaker 02

  Isn't that crazy that that's where we're at?

• 2:39:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it's also probably the best, even though, uh, like, the emissions aren't good. You know what's really bad? Brake dust. Brake dust is really bad, too.

• 2:39:39Speaker 02

  Why is that?

• 2:39:40Speaker 01

  Electric cars are heavier and electric cars give out more brake dust. Because the, like, that shit that you wash, if you wash your car and the shit that's on the wheels, that stuff gets in your lungs. Like, that stuff is all over cities. Like, when you're dri- if you're in New York City and you're like, beep, beep, bumper, bumper, everyone's hitting the brakes, that's all brake dust. All this, that stuff goes in the air. So it's like, this-

• 2:40:01Speaker 02

  The air in New York is hilarious. You're like, you go to a place, it's like, I love, I'll die in New York. I adore New York to death, but like, you go to like Vancouver and you're like, why is the air so nice here? It's just crazy. You walk around New York enough and you're just like, why do I smell garbage every, and I, and I will fight for New York to the death. I, it's my favorite place in the world, but like, yeah, it's crazy.

• 2:40:21Speaker 01

  Well, it's a trade-off. You wanna stack all those people together like that, you're gonna get exhaust fumes, brake dust, rats, garbage.

• 2:40:29Speaker 02

  I had a rat in my fucking home last year. It's on a high floor. It's a very upsetting thing.

• 2:40:33Speaker 01

  Electric cars make significantly less brake dust. Okay, but, hold on. Regenerative braking is only Tesla's, though.

• 2:40:40Speaker 04

  No, it's not.

• 2:40:41Speaker 01

  Yours does it?

• 2:40:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:40:43Speaker 01

  But most of them aren't standard, right? You have to turn that on? Like, uh, regenerative braking on Teslas is like standard.

• 2:40:50Speaker 04

  Turn the air conditioning on, though. It's pretty easy.

• 2:40:52Speaker 02

  Those, some of those self-driving cars, some of them are ama- I was in Fiona Colly's car, you know Fiona, uh, in, in Nashville, and she's got like a self-driving car. It's unbelievable.

• 2:41:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, mine does that.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  The technology's kinda incredible.

• 2:41:03Speaker 01

  My Tesla drives itself. I can, like, when I'm leaving the club, I press a button.

• 2:41:06Speaker 04

  Something scary I saw last night, I don't mean, scary's not the right word, but it is. A guy was showing on Twitter that he could upload his own self-driving, uh, model or whatever, you know?

• 2:41:18Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:41:19Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 2:41:21Speaker 04

  For instance, you know how you could have your own LMM on your own computer and talk to your own agent, if you will, and it's separate from being online and it's not taking up all the resources? He was saying how he, I don't know if he downloaded it from GitHub or where he got it from, but he, he was in control of his own self-driving fucking model.

• 2:41:39Speaker 02

  So wait, I don't understand how that works.

• 2:41:41Speaker 04

  He, I, he owns the car, I guess, you know?

• 2:41:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:41:45Speaker 04

  Updated to his, hacking the software.

• 2:41:47Speaker 01

  So he hacked into, what kind of a electric car was it?

• 2:41:49Speaker 04

  Tesla.

• 2:41:50Speaker 01

  So he hacked into his Tesla?

• 2:41:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. He was showing the video of it. He didn't show the video of how he did everything, but he was showing the video of the car driving.

• 2:41:56Speaker 02

  So what is him hacking into it, so he can just do whatever he wants?

• 2:41:58Speaker 04

  No, well, I mean, I don't know about that.

• 2:41:59Speaker 01

  Drive his wife off a cliff is what he could do.

• 2:42:01Speaker 04

  So, I guess if you don't know-

• 2:42:03Speaker 02

  We're gonna get some good Columbo episodes if they bring that shit back.

• 2:42:05Speaker 04

  Not all Teslas have it and it's a software.

• 2:42:08Speaker 02

  That was fucking, that was a good Columbo.

• 2:42:10Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:42:10Speaker 04

  It's a software subscription you have to pay for. And he, his response was like, well, I don't have to pay for it anymore, cause now I own it.

• 2:42:17Speaker 01

  Is Robert Blake dead?

• 2:42:19Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 2:42:20Speaker 01

  Beretta?

• 2:42:21Speaker 02

  I don't think he's dead. Man, he was a, he's a piece of shit, huh?

• 2:42:25Speaker 01

  There was a, a restaurant that was down the street from my house.

• 2:42:28Speaker 04

  He died in 23.

• 2:42:30Speaker 02

  Oh, he died? Alright, good.

• 2:42:31Speaker 01

  There was a restaurant that was down the street from one, a place where I used to live, that I used to go to, was where he allegedly whacked his wife. Remember that whole story?

• 2:42:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:40Speaker 01

  They claimed that some guy in a hoodie came over. I forget the story.

• 2:42:44Speaker 02

  And he plays the murderer in, in In Cold Blood.

• 2:42:46Speaker 01

  In Cold Blood, yeah.

• 2:42:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a piece of shit.

• 2:42:49Speaker 01

  Wasn't, who, who, who did that movie? That was a weird movie.

• 2:42:52Speaker 02

  I forgot.

• 2:42:52Speaker 01

  But he, he had like white makeup on, stuff, he looked like really creepy, didn't he?

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think he was a dumb one, too. There was a guy who was kinda like the-

• 2:43:00Speaker 01

  I'm confusing that with another movie.

• 2:43:01Speaker 02

  No, that was a Capote book, In Cold Blood. That was, that was a fucking amazing book.

• 2:43:05Speaker 04

  His son is staging a murder mystery at the same restaurant where the-

• 2:43:09Speaker 02

  Vitello's.

• 2:43:09Speaker 01

  No. No.

• 2:43:12Speaker 02

  This is a real heat check, dude.

• 2:43:14Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. No. In Cold Blood actor Robert Blake was accused of shooting his wife, Bonnie Lee Blakely, Bakely, to death in the parking lot of Vitello's Italian restaurant in Studio City in 2001. Now his son is staging a fictional murder mystery in the same eatery. That's-

• 2:43:32Speaker 02

  It's a lot like OJ's If I Did It. It's a real heat check.

• 2:43:36Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:43:37Speaker 02

  LA's fucking weird, dude.

• 2:43:38Speaker 01

  That's crazy. Well, you gotta do what you gotta do.

• 2:43:41Speaker 02

  You don't have to do that, I guess.

• 2:43:43Speaker 01

  No, you don't.

• 2:43:44Speaker 02

  That's pretty dark.

• 2:43:45Speaker 04

  He was fin- he was acquitted in the murder but found liable in the civil case, also like OJ.

• 2:43:49Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:43:53Speaker 01

  The daughter of both Blake and Bakely first took her objections public Monday. She's going against her brother, denouncing the production on social media and pleading with followers, please help me shut down this show. That is crazy.

• 2:44:05Speaker 02

  There is an obsession with true crime to a point now where it's like, come on, guys. Like-

• 2:44:09Speaker 04

  The ladies love it.

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  They love it, yeah. And there was, I will say, I like forensic files because there's closure and they solve, the unsolved mysteries ones, that's where I'm like, what are we doing?

• 2:44:19Speaker 01

  I think ladies wanna know how murderous men think so that they can avoid them. I think that's the, like, like, what? What's going on? Like, things on like The Night Stalker, like Richard Ramirez, like that documentary.

• 2:44:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. He was a scary one.

• 2:44:32Speaker 01

  Very scary. That's very popular with the ladies.

• 2:44:34Speaker 02

  So it shows that guys don't, we're not watching like Gilmore Girls. We're not like, we wanna know how women think, you know? But, uh, but women, but we're a threat, so I get why they watch it. I mean, women are upset, and women, all day girls who just like go to sleep right after watching. It's unbelievable.

• 2:44:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't understand how they do that.

• 2:44:51Speaker 02

  The Ramirez one, he was a scary fucker.

• 2:44:53Speaker 01

  Who, who was the guy that was on The Dating Game?

• 2:44:55Speaker 02

  Forgot his name. Pull, pull, it's like, uh-

• 2:44:57Speaker 01

  Is it the video of him smiling?

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  Oh, dude.

• 2:45:00Speaker 01

  He was like such a fucking psycho.

• 2:45:02Speaker 02

  But he had him all won over on that show. He charmed him. Rodney Alcala, that's right.

• 2:45:10Speaker 01

  Is that him in jail? Look at him on trial. Look at his hair. That's crazy.

• 2:45:15Speaker 02

  Oof. Jesus Christ. Looks like Weird Al in that photo.

• 2:45:21Speaker 01

  2010 he was sentenced? So when did he get arrested?

• 2:45:29Speaker 01

  What is the story behind Dating Game?

• 2:45:36Speaker 01

  Okay, Dating... What's the title of it? Dating Game Killer Sentenced For 1970's Murder. In 2013? He got sentenced?

• 2:45:49Speaker 01

  Convicted California serial killer Ronnie Alcala, contestant on the Dating Game television show more than 30 years ago, was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison on Monday for murdering two New York women in the 1970's. Was this additional? Yeah, already on death row in California for killing four women.

• 2:46:07Speaker 02

  So many people.

• 2:46:08Speaker 01

  And a 12-year-old girl in that state was extradited to New York. So this was when he was already in jail? And he was 69?

• 2:46:15Speaker 02

  God, these fuckers get away with it forever.

• 2:46:17Speaker 04

  That's a crazy ad to have in the middle of this.

• 2:46:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, what the fuck is that ad?

• 2:46:22Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 2:46:23Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ, they're selling a shirt that says "Problem Solved", that has blood splatter all over it.

• 2:46:28Speaker 04

  It's not even obvious what it is.

• 2:46:29Speaker 02

  It's his line.

• 2:46:30Speaker 01

  It's not obvious?

• 2:46:31Speaker 04

  No, I mean, is it even selling that? It could be anything.

• 2:46:37Speaker 01

  Click on it.

• 2:46:38Speaker 04

  I don't want to.

• 2:46:39Speaker 01

  Click on it.

• 2:46:40Speaker 04

  I don't ever click on these ads.

• 2:46:40Speaker 01

  Click on it.

• 2:46:41Speaker 04

  God damn it.

• 2:46:43Speaker 01

  Halloween, but make it your style.

• 2:46:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're not supposed to be a real murderer for Halloween. You're supposed to be like the Joker or something fun.

• 2:46:50Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 2:46:51Speaker 02

  You're not supposed to go as Rodney Alcala.

• 2:46:52Speaker 01

  Who's buying shirts that have splatter all over them? What kind of an outfit are you wearing?

• 2:46:57Speaker 02

  I don't like that. Some of these Halloween costumes freak me the fuck out, dude. I stay the fuck in on Halloween.

• 2:47:02Speaker 01

  I like it when girls use it as an opportunity to be a hoe.

• 2:47:05Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:47:06Speaker 01

  Like a slutty nurse.

• 2:47:07Speaker 02

  They're playing to the home crowd right here. We love it, yeah. But when you're doing like weird shit, when dudes start eking you, especially in New York, dude, there's people doing like weird shit and you're like...

• 2:47:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:16Speaker 02

  Same feeling I get when I see a dude with like a backpack at the movie theater. I'm like, oh, come on, dude.

• 2:47:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47:21Speaker 02

  You know you're making this uneasy.

• 2:47:23Speaker 01

  Right, right. They should have a metal scanner.

• 2:47:26Speaker 02

  They absolutely should.

• 2:47:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:28Speaker 02

  I'm out for more security, but at the same time, like, I want to relax in a movie. I like going to the theater.

• 2:47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, the mask thing is nuts, man, because so many people could just wear masks now. It used to be if someone wore a mask and they walked into a bank, it was crazy.

• 2:47:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:44Speaker 01

  But now you can't even question them because it might be a COVID issue.

• 2:47:47Speaker 02

  How many people are robbing banks these days? That must be like...

• 2:47:50Speaker 01

  I wonder.

• 2:47:51Speaker 02

  I wonder, because it's like, that feels like...

• 2:47:52Speaker 01

  It's gotta be hard to do.

• 2:47:53Speaker 02

  That feels like the 80's, or like a small town in, you know...

• 2:47:57Speaker 01

  Well, especially with like flock cameras and all that shit.

• 2:47:59Speaker 02

  It feels so hard to do now.

• 2:48:01Speaker 01

  How many bank robberies are there per year? Let's guess, in the United States.

• 2:48:05Speaker 02

  I'm gonna guess like 20. That might be crazy.

• 2:48:07Speaker 01

  In the whole country?

• 2:48:07Speaker 02

  Is that crazy?

• 2:48:08Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:48:09Speaker 02

  Like a real robbery?

• 2:48:10Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say 200.

• 2:48:11Speaker 02

  No, you're probably closer.

• 2:48:12Speaker 04

  Right, but it happens a lot.

• 2:48:13Speaker 01

  Credit unions and shit.

• 2:48:14Speaker 04

  I don't know how people get away with it.

• 2:48:15Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I'm talking in person.

• 2:48:17Speaker 04

  We're not saying successful.

• 2:48:18Speaker 02

  I'm talking in person with a gun. I'm not talking like some sort of like weird wire fraud thing.

• 2:48:23Speaker 01

  What about if they show up with a letter that says "I have a bomb"? Is that okay? Does that count?

• 2:48:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it'll count.

• 2:48:28Speaker 01

  That counts, okay.

• 2:48:29Speaker 02

  So maybe it's higher. I'll go 50.

• 2:48:31Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm saying 200.

• 2:48:32Speaker 02

  But I think you're right, probably. I still think you're right.

• 2:48:35Speaker 01

  I think there's a lot of like small credit unions and weird places and weird...

• 2:48:41Speaker 02

  Way up?

• 2:48:41Speaker 01

  Way up?

• 2:48:42Speaker 02

  A thousand?

• 2:48:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's so higher.

• 2:48:43Speaker 02

  2,000?

• 2:48:44Speaker 04

  I mean, it's like 1,300, 12,000.

• 2:48:45Speaker 02

  Wow, I'm fucking way off.

• 2:48:47Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 2:48:47Speaker 04

  I even attempted bank robberies.

• 2:48:49Speaker 01

  Pre-year?

• 2:48:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. 1,362 bank violations, including 1,263 robberies.

• 2:48:55Speaker 02

  But it's way down. Like, you watch a movie like Point Break now and you're like, that's like a period piece.

• 2:49:00Speaker 01

  It is.

• 2:49:00Speaker 02

  That's not...

• 2:49:01Speaker 04

  92, there's almost 10,000.

• 2:49:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:03Speaker 01

  It is a fucking nutty thing to have like a building that has all the money in it.

• 2:49:08Speaker 02

  Well, it's becoming less and less, right? Everything's becoming more and more digital. Think about how... Muggings must be down just from people not carrying cash.

• 2:49:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, people just want your phones. They get your Bitcoin wallet.

• 2:49:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, god, or they do the one where they're able to scan your card somehow or something.

• 2:49:23Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, your RFID chip.

• 2:49:26Speaker 02

  It's all digital theft now.

• 2:49:28Speaker 01

  Well, they also can get you at the gas station. You know, they put those things.

• 2:49:33Speaker 02

  Or it's just people like getting close to you. I got a guy steal three years of Facebook money from me.

• 2:49:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:49:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:38Speaker 01

  How'd he do it?

• 2:49:39Speaker 02

  He was a social media manager. I didn't realize he stole my fucking money. I wasn't paying atten... I'm managing so many things. He stole from other comics too. He stole from Norman, Fortune, Josh Wolfe.

• 2:49:48Speaker 01

  Oh, you had him managing your stuff and he was just stealing?

• 2:49:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I don't want to deal with that shit. But he, yeah, but he was just, he put it directly into his account. I was like, and they made it on Facebook where it's like really hard to get it back in your name. You needed to go through all these procedures. So it took me... I wouldn't have gotten it back if I didn't know a guy at Facebook. I have a friend who used to work there.

• 2:50:02Speaker 01

  How did you know the guy?

• 2:50:04Speaker 02

  Norman was like, "You should use this guy." I'm like, "Thanks, Mark." Didn't fucking apologize, by the way. Mark got out of it and I was like, "This guy's weird." Mark's like, "Oh yeah, that guy's a piece of shit." I was like, "Oh, thanks."

• 2:50:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, all those people are weird.

• 2:50:17Speaker 02

  He took from a lot of comics. Yeah.

• 2:50:19Speaker 01

  Well, if they think comics are not paying attention, makes sense.

• 2:50:22Speaker 02

  We're not. I'm thinking of the next joke. I'm not thinking about my fucking money.

• 2:50:25Speaker 01

  Especially Facebook money. Like, how much money are you even talking about?

• 2:50:28Speaker 02

  It's not crazy, but it's...

• 2:50:29Speaker 01

  It's enough.

• 2:50:30Speaker 02

  Three years ends up being substantial, yeah.

• 2:50:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's real money. It's real theft. Did the guy get in trouble? No? Nothing?

• 2:50:36Speaker 02

  I mean, I'll do something.

• 2:50:37Speaker 01

  Probably doing Theo's stuff right now.

• 2:50:39Speaker 02

  Someone did it to Theo too. I messaged Theo. I was like, "Is this..." And he goes, "I messaged Theo. I was like, 'This guy steal from me?'" And Theo goes, "Was he black?" And I was like, "No." And he's like, "Nah, it wasn't him."

• 2:50:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, he just went through something.

• 2:50:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:52Speaker 01

  There's a lot of those guys like that. Because you have to give up your account to them in order for them to run it.

• 2:50:57Speaker 02

  It's almost... I'm not gonna say it's worth it, but it's almost worth it just not having to deal with shit. I just want to like live a normal life and go to the store and get coffee and think of jokes and do shit.

• 2:51:07Speaker 01

  There should be an AI that does that for you, which makes more sense. Because the problem with a person doing it is like that person could also like send DMs on your behalf.

• 2:51:15Speaker 02

  Oh, dude, I mean, look at Dane Cook. His own fucking brother took from him, right?

• 2:51:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:19Speaker 02

  I mean, it could be, anyone could do it.

• 2:51:21Speaker 01

  His own brother, not only his brother took from him, he never recovered the money. And his brother went on a trip across the country. They don't know what he did. They think his brother might have like stored the... I think he just did a documentary on his brother.

• 2:51:34Speaker 02

  He did, yeah. Looks good.

• 2:51:36Speaker 04

  There's the first AI agent mishap.

• 2:51:39Speaker 01

  Meta user says Muse AI gave out his address, agreed to pick up, he never approved. Muse AI agent sold his keyboard on Facebook Marketplace at a low-ball price, shared his address with the buyer, and set up a late-night pickup, all without his approval. He's trying to get him killed.

• 2:52:00Speaker 02

  It's fucking weird. Yeah, no, I mean, there's too much to think about. There's too much to manage. I can't deal with all this shit.

• 2:52:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 2:52:08Speaker 02

  It stresses me out. I mean, you must have a million things that you give to other people to do, right?

• 2:52:12Speaker 01

  I don't, I try not to think about much.

• 2:52:14Speaker 02

  True.

• 2:52:15Speaker 01

  Because it's too much to think about. So I just focus on doing the podcast, doing comedy shows.

• 2:52:22Speaker 02

  That's what success is. You try to get away, I mean, someone like you, you're like, "I just want to show up and work on this shit."

• 2:52:28Speaker 01

  I think the more you micromanage that stuff, the more it fucks with your head too. It just, that becomes, it becomes a part of your focus and it just steals from all your other focus.

• 2:52:36Speaker 02

  Totally. Yeah, no, I want to think about, that's to me is like luxury, is like less stuff I have to worry about and I just want to...

• 2:52:43Speaker 01

  100%.

• 2:52:43Speaker 02

  I want to just like live life and enjoy life.

• 2:52:46Speaker 01

  Word. All right, dude, Netflix.

• 2:52:50Speaker 02

  New special, yeah, Sam Morril, incorrect.

• 2:52:53Speaker 01

  It's awesome. I've heard, great review. I have not watched it yet, but I've heard great stuff.

• 2:52:56Speaker 02

  Give it a watch. I'm proud of this one.

• 2:52:57Speaker 01

  You're a funny motherfucker. I'm sure it's awesome.

• 2:52:58Speaker 02

  It's my best, I'll say it's my, it's either my best or my second best, I'll say. It's like, it's hard to top that YouTube one I did in 2020 because I was so fucking hungry and angry at the world. But this one's, it's really good. I took a little longer with this one. And I shot it in the Tampa Theater, gorgeous theater. Three shows, ton of fun.

• 2:53:19Speaker 01

  Oh, that's nice.

• 2:53:19Speaker 02

  I threw on a nice blazer. Come on, guys.

• 2:53:21Speaker 01

  Three shows is a smart move.

• 2:53:23Speaker 02

  It's a move. I gotta do at least three.

• 2:53:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get...

• 2:53:25Speaker 02

  Three or four.

• 2:53:26Speaker 01

  You get loosened up.

• 2:53:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the crowd was so... Tampa crowds are fucking great, man.

• 2:53:30Speaker 01

  Tampa's awesome.

• 2:53:31Speaker 02

  That theater's one of the most gorgeous theaters and I got in right before they renovated it. So I was like, I got all the kinks and the dirt in it. It's such a, it's such a fun place to tape, but...

• 2:53:40Speaker 01

  A lot of swingers in Tampa.

• 2:53:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, they're wild.

• 2:53:44Speaker 02

  Hopefully my girlfriend stopped listening. Yeah, no, what? Swingers, what?

• 2:53:48Speaker 01

  A whole group of swingers came to one of my shows once and they were telling me. And they all looked like nobody you wanted to swing with, of course.

• 2:53:54Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:53:55Speaker 01

  But it was just very...

• 2:53:55Speaker 02

  It's like a nude beach. You're like tits and then you're like, "Oh, tits."

• 2:53:58Speaker 01

  It's just very odd.

• 2:53:59Speaker 02

  Not good.

• 2:54:00Speaker 01

  That they were all grouped up, like, and then you said the same thing. Like, it's very odd. They were all grouped in this one place.

• 2:54:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's just a place, I was like, I've never done a special in like Florida or anything. So I was like, "Let me just mix it up." And Tampa's always been good to me. I played a club there coming up called SideSplitters. It always treated me really well. And I was like, "Let me do it, let me..." Also, you know when you're touring and you clock a theater, you're like, "I really like this theater."

• 2:54:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:22Speaker 02

  There were two others that I clocked that I was like, "I'm gonna come..." One is the Bijou in Knoxville and the other's the Moore in Seattle. There are two theaters I just like, like, "These are beautiful. The vibe is right."

• 2:54:30Speaker 01

  You know what I thought about doing? Fox in Detroit.

• 2:54:33Speaker 02

  Ooh, that's a really nice one.

• 2:54:34Speaker 01

  That's a good one. That's an old-school one too. That place, they have one of their columns that is replaced and the one that was there before is yellow from cigarette smoke.

• 2:54:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:54:46Speaker 01

  That's how old it is.

• 2:54:47Speaker 02

  Detroit's great too. I mean, it's a great comedy city. It's like a real city.

• 2:54:51Speaker 01

  It's a real city.

• 2:54:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:52Speaker 01

  Gritty.

• 2:54:53Speaker 02

  The Midwest is great for, I always shout out the Omaha Funny Bone. That's where I always work out and I try to build back up, Colleen.

• 2:54:59Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:55:00Speaker 02

  I love that club. They say Omaha is where they test a new fast food item. So like of Taco Bell or McDonald's, like, "We're gonna try a new thing because it's so representative of America." So I'm like, well, by that logic, it should be great to test new jokes.

• 2:55:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55:12Speaker 02

  So I love Omaha Funny Bone. Or like, yeah, right now I'm on tour and I'm just like trying clubs and I'm building back. It's such a miserable process, but you're building back up and you go to the places you always want to go, like Madison or like Cleveland Hilarities is great. All these clubs are such great clubs. So you build back up and it's, it's a humbling but fun process, you know?

• 2:55:31Speaker 01

  We're lucky as fuck, dude.

• 2:55:33Speaker 02

  We're very lucky.

• 2:55:33Speaker 01

  We're lucky we get to do this. It's the funnest job.

• 2:55:36Speaker 02

  I feel lucky, man.

• 2:55:36Speaker 01

  For sure. I'm glad you do because you're very appreciative of it. It's very apparent.

• 2:55:41Speaker 04

  Sorry, my Columbus pride won't let you take that away from us.

• 2:55:44Speaker 02

  Oh, you're from Columbus as well? I'm going there, I'm going there...

• 2:55:47Speaker 01

  Oh, is that where they do the test?

• 2:55:48Speaker 02

  I'm going there.

• 2:55:49Speaker 01

  Most of the test stuff?

• 2:55:50Speaker 02

  Early next year. I'm hitting the Funny Bone. I love that club too.

• 2:55:52Speaker 01

  Another great place.

• 2:55:53Speaker 02

  I love, Columbus is great too.

• 2:55:54Speaker 01

  Columbus is awesome. Let's wrap it up.

• 2:55:57Speaker 02

  Sweet.

• 2:55:57Speaker 01

  Good to see you, brother.

• 2:55:58Speaker 02

  Great to see you.

• 2:55:59Speaker 01

  Um, how long in town for?

• 2:56:00Speaker 02

  I leave tomorrow afternoon.

• 2:56:02Speaker 01

  Okay. You doing Kill Tony tonight?

• 2:56:04Speaker 02

  I'm not, I'm not.

• 2:56:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:56:06Speaker 02

  I'm fucking burnt.

• 2:56:08Speaker 01

  I hear you. All right. Uh, website, all that jazz, people want to find you?

• 2:56:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, just my name, Sam Morril.

• 2:56:15Speaker 01

  Okay. Bye, everybody.