#2511 - Terry Bradshaw

Terry Bradshaw is a retired NFL quarterback whose 14 seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers included four Super Bowl wins, leading to his induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Bradshaw is also a musician, actor, author, entrepreneur, commentator, and co-host of “Fox NFL Sunday.”www.foxsports.com/personalities/terry-bradshawwww.steelers.com/history/bios/bradshaw_terrywww.bradshawbourbon.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Pull up on the microphone, Mr. Bradshaw.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Went up there catching rainbow trout.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Killed them. I've been up there, it's our fourth year.

• 0:23Joe Rogan?

  You fly fish?

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. But you're not fly fishing. You come back in July for fly fishing. This is fly fishing, but you've got a fly bobber. It's a fly.

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Then you've got that tiny, tiny bug. I mean, you can't even see it, and that's what you catch them on.

• 0:44Joe Rogan?

  So you're fly, you're using a fly rod?

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  But you have a bobber and a little tiny fly?

• 0:49Speaker 01

  The bobber, the bobber is a, basically, a big moth or something.

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  That holds it up.

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Bobber, cork, whatever.

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  So it's just a different kind of fly fishing?

• 1:02Speaker 01

  What you're doing, because you're not, you're in a boat, you know, fast that water's moving.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  And you just go down through there, and they move it to the jets, jetties and stuff, and...

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  So you find, like, the pools where they're waiting?

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you go and you just find it, goes boom.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, man. Oh, brown trout. Yeah, it was a good time.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, trout fishing is very fun.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  Fly fishing's a completely different thing. It's very, it's very skillful.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  I like fly fishing, too. We did that last year in July, and didn't have near the, didn't, I mean, we didn't catch hardly anything, to be honest with you.

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  I mean, maybe five or six a day.

• 1:45Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot for fly fishing.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  We caught almost 110 hours.

• 1:49Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  100 trout? That's crazy.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  Don't say where you were. People are all gonna swarm that place.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  No, I don't. I didn't bring my phone. I'd show you pictures of them. But, yeah, it was, it was crazy.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll tell you something funny. I carry, I carry, oh, we...

• 2:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're filming.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  I figured we were. I carry a baby Jesus with me. Let me tell you what happened.

• 2:13Joe Rogan?

  You carry a baby Jesus?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Baby Jesus.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, from the manger?

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Yes, Jesus. It's Jesus. We call it baby Jesus.

• 2:20Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  Okay?

• 2:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it is just grown-up Jesus, has a beard and everything?

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  We're not catching anything. So I reached in my pocket. I don't know why, looking for my knife. I don't know what I was doing. And I had this baby Jesus. I said, oh, my son-in-law is in the back. I said, I got baby Jesus with me. And I set him on the, on the igloo, on the box facing me. You ready, Joe? One, two, three, four, five, six, six giant rainbow in a row. So my son-in-law is in the back and he's going, turn baby Jesus towards me. I turned around. I took baby Jesus toward him. One, two, three, four, five, six. I went, now this.

• 3:11Joe Rogan?

  That's weird.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  We caught 12, 12 rainbow, anywhere from 15 to 20 inches. That's big.

• 3:19Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's big.

• 3:21Joe Rogan?

  That's a good rainbow.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  So that, so the, so the, the, um, the, um, guide, I mean, he's, he got a little tripped out. He, he's, he said, he said, hey, man, you, you, you're kind of, you're kind of messing with me here. That's kind of, that's kind of gotten, gotten me a little screwed up. I started laughing. I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here. So we kept it all day. Before I left, I gave it to him. So he, he said, I'm gonna use this every day. So that's, it was kind of fun.

• 3:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that's something you should use every day. I think that that should be like for special trips. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  I don't go fishing every day. But yeah, you're right.

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 3:59Speaker 01

  I didn't, I didn't, I didn't need, I wouldn't normally need help. But trout fishing, yeah, I need help. I'm bass fishing and, yeah, I'm, I'm pretty good on my own. But if things get desperate, I'm not, I mean, I don't want to push it. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to push it. Oh, by the way, Jeff died to me to say hello.

• 4:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you know Jeff?

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. I know. I did a, two years of, uh, um, Better Late Than Never with him.

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I love Jeff.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  Good dude.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:28Joe Rogan?

  Man's Band. What's with all the whiskey?

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Um.

• 4:32Joe Rogan?

  Did you bring that?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:33Joe Rogan?

  I was wondering.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  You don't drink.

• 4:35Joe Rogan?

  I'll drink.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  I quit and then I came back.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  I quit for eight months. Not, not really like I didn't have a problem. I just, health reasons. I decided it wasn't a good thing for you.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  That's smart. I, um.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  You have your own Terry Bradshaw whiskey?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've had it now.

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  Come on, son. We gotta have a glass of that.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Seven years.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  Do you drink?

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  You better. Selling whiskey, you better.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I drink this. Um.

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  Let's have a, let's have a drink.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  This is our 12 year that just won all the golden awards and spirits and.

• 5:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, won all of them.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  So aged 12 years?

• 5:04Speaker 01

  12 years, 13 now.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that and they're like.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, you're, that's what you drink. But once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that unless they're, unless they're a sponsor.

• 5:15Joe Rogan?

  They are a sponsor.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  Okay, there you go.

• 5:16Joe Rogan?

  And they're nice guys.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:18Joe Rogan?

  And I respect them. I mean, that country, that company's been around longer than the country.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Long.

• 5:22Joe Rogan?

  Longer than America.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Long time.

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  They started in 1773.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  I mean, when you go back to study whiskey.

• 5:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Well, they, they claimed that Elijah Craig was the father of bourbon whiskey. Uh, and it's, they do research and then they don't have it back that far where they can, I can actually say, cause Elijah Craig was a preacher.

• 5:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that frees me up.

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  Preacher who made whiskey?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  So, anyway, that's, that's award winning 12.

• 5:52Joe Rogan?

  Get some ice and glasses.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  This is, uh, this is our original. This is our two year. This is the original brand right there. We still have that.

• 6:02Joe Rogan?

  What is the original? It's two year aged?

• 6:04Speaker 01

  Two, two, then with our, with our yeast, we were able to make it taste like four to six.

• 6:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  And so now, and then we don't do that anymore. And then this is the, uh, this is, this is the good stuff right here.

• 6:17Joe Rogan?

  What's that stuff? Six year?

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it's good.

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  So you got 12, two and six.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, actually 12, four.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  Can you really tell the difference?

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I'm gonna tell you right now. This is 145 proof.

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:35Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  This, this is 108, 103.8. This is amazing. This is, this, this is a...

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  Why does the older stuff have more alcohol? Is it because of the process of aging?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it's also, this is a bourbon that, it's a single barrel bourbon. And when we brought it out, you leave it in there and this is what it turned out to be. Now, we could dilute it by simply putting water in it and dilute it down to... This is 103.8 and it's 51.9 proof, or proof alcohol. This, this, 149.

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  Bust it out, Terry, let's go.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  If we bust it, how long we planning on talk today?

• 7:23Joe Rogan?

  We'll talk for a couple hours.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  We may not be able to make a couple hours.

• 7:27Joe Rogan?

  We'll give it our best shot.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  Okay, we'll do our best.

• 7:29Joe Rogan?

  We'll do our best.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Who can open this?

• 7:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't have a knife here. Jamie, you got a knife?

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. So we started this...

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Lot of, you know what I noticed coming over here today? Lot of tattoos in here.

• 7:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, lot of tattoos.

• 7:49Joe Rogan?

  You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo free.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, lot of tattoos.

• 7:52Joe Rogan?

  He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back. You still doing that, Jamie?

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Is that like a bull's eye? Stand up.

• 8:00Joe Rogan?

  We made a deal. I'll do his face, he'll do mine.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Oh my God. Anyway.

• 8:04Joe Rogan?

  And I'll have like young Jamie and like Gothic strip on my back.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  The thing about, the thing about bourbon, I don't know how to explain it. I don't know why I fell in love with bourbon. I find it to be, first of all, it's the only thing that's, it's only, is in America. Bourbon is only bourbon if it's in America.

• 8:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  And I think it's only bourbon if it's, if it's made in Kentucky.

• 8:29Joe Rogan?

  A lot of Kentucky people feel the exact same way.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  I mean, you ready?

• 8:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:34Joe Rogan?

  Let's go. Time to party.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  I'm just going... This might, this might be the best show you ever have.

• 8:41Joe Rogan?

  All right. I'm excited.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, you will be after you drink that. Let it sit.

• 8:46Joe Rogan?

  Smells good.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Let it sit.

• 8:47Joe Rogan?

  It smells good.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Let it sit.

• 8:48Joe Rogan?

  This is the 12-year-old stuff. And what is it called?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Rachel Bourbon. That's the name.

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• 11:34Speaker 01

  Here's the thing about the 12 year old. We only have...

• 11:38Joe Rogan?

  Bradshaw bourbon, look at that.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  We only have 15 cases left, 15 cases I think they told me. So this is a limited edition and then we have to come out with some new stuff, but this is actually 13 years old now.

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  So you obviously started this project a long time ago.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 11:59Joe Rogan?

  If you've been aging it for 12 years.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  What I did...

• 12:01Joe Rogan?

  Cheers, sir. Thank you for being here.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Cheers, Joe. Thanks for having me.

• 12:05Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. Thank you.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  What happened, I don't, I don't know why. I went to my...

• 12:09Joe Rogan?

  Woo! Hey! Wow!

• 12:12Speaker 01

  You gotta let it sit.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, that's gotta kick.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  We're gonna try this and then we'll try this.

• 12:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  And you'll definitely see the difference. But I was going to my, I went to my dad who's...

• 12:23Joe Rogan?

  Someone's driving me home today.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  My father's father was an alcoholic and I went to my dad prior to him passing and I said, "Hey Dad, what would you think if I got into the spirits business?" And he says, "You know what I think?" And I went, "Well, I'm just asking you." And he says, "Absolutely not." And I said, "Okay." So I shut her down. My dad died, oh wow, it's 12 years ago he died. My mother died two years ago. So anyway, so after his passing...

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Two or three years, four years, I'm sitting and I was sitting around and I was trying to, I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen, he says, "What do you do to make a living?" I said, "Well, I work on Fox. I'm a broadcaster." And he says, "Is that it?" And I said, "Well, I'm a horse and cattle breeder. I raise registered cattle and I'm in the breeding business, training business, quarter horses." He said, "Oh, okay." He says, "Is there anything else?" I said, "Well, I get public, I speak for corporations." So he was trying to find out and he took a liking to me and he says, basically what he was telling me, "You should brand yourself and not have to travel so much."

• 13:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Because I travel. Two hundred and fifty days last year we traveled.

• 13:40Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  That's a lot. But my wife travels with me, so that's good.

• 13:44Joe Rogan?

  That helps.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. What do you want to do with baby Jesus? Let's sit him right here.

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  Sit him right there, see if any fish flop out of the sky.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  I got him facing you. We'll see what happens. And anyway, so he said, "Basically, you ought to brand yourself, get into something that you can..." And I said, "Well, I don't really know anything. I know football. I can talk football. I know how to make people laugh. I know how to, I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a, build a program in the speeches. I know quarter horses. I know how to select horses, show horses. I know how to train them. I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now and I have people for the breeding part of it. And I said, "In cattle, I, I know, I know the bloodlines

• 14:31Speaker 01

  and things of that nature, but I got people doing that." So I, I just got this, I never forgot that. You know, that's William Cohen, one of these, he's a pretty smart dude. And so we're, I'm home, I think it was kind of a rainy day and I'm sitting there and my little brain's going, I'm going, you know... What do you want to do? What do you have? For some reason, I was going, what do you want to do? Because I remember one time, I remember one time I got real uncomfortable because I didn't have a normal job. So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company. And I said, do you have a job? Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry? And he said, yeah, yeah. He gave me $5,000 a month.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  So I had to go to work and put a tie on and a coat because I wanted to be like everybody. Everybody goes to work.

• 15:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  But me, I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be week, two weeks apart. So I got two weeks of golf and I got, you know, and I just got.

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  When was this?

• 15:31Speaker 01

  This is 30 years ago.

• 15:33Joe Rogan?

  So 30 years ago, you decided to get into the cosmetics business?

• 15:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  Just for, just to do something?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  I wanted to be, I wanted to have a job.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 15:43Speaker 01

  I know.

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  I wanted to have a job. I wanted to be like, I wanted, I think I wanted to see, I wanted to see how America works. People get up and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands and they go off to work.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  And I, for some reason, I felt guilty. I didn't have a job. I know, it's stupid, I know.

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  So I got a job. Now, here's the thing, Joe. My office was right on the road, across the street from the golf course I was a member of. And I was watching my buddies come up the fairway and I'd stand at the window and I'd look at them and I'd go, I should be playing golf with those guys right now.

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  So.

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  How long did you last?

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Two months. I couldn't stand it. I'm telling you, man, I couldn't stand it.

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  Most people can't.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  But I can't explain it other than I just felt guilty that, you know, people say, well, athletes, they got, you know.

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  It's true.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  They got all this money and they got this and they got that and.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  You smoke cigars, Terry?

• 16:55Speaker 01

  I do.

• 16:56Joe Rogan?

  You want one?

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  All right, let me get you.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  I want a really good one.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  You got them? Oh, yeah. Hey, I I love, hey, that's my wife. I've got the only, I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house.

• 17:13Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 17:14Speaker 01

  You married?

• 17:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I can't smoke in the house.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Oh, see there?

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  Everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads and all the crazy artwork and Jimi Hendrix and all that jazz. Yeah, it's like I let her decorate the house.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:30Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? It's beautiful. It's very exciting. If my, my house would look like a 16 year old boy won the lottery.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Well, I can understand that. I don't know why, I honestly.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  Racing simulators and fake werewolves.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Why my wife lets me smoke? But if she said, I don't. Yeah, well, you're saying yours don't?

• 17:49Joe Rogan?

  No, mine loves me too, but we make concessions.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 17:54Speaker 01

  So anyway, I.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  But I have a pool room, like where I play pool.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  In the house?

• 17:58Joe Rogan?

  No, it's out.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Oh, outside?

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  Out in the barn and I go out there and I smoke.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  I have a cigar. This one, sir.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Oh, bless you. Yeah, this is good. You smoke Cuban cigars?

• 18:10Joe Rogan?

  I do when I can get them, but you know what I mean? There's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban. They're lying to you.

• 18:19Joe Rogan?

  There you go, sir. I think out of all the counterfeit stuff.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Be the greatest interview I've ever been a part of.

• 18:25Joe Rogan?

  Have a good time.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Not only are we going to drink award winning bourbon, dry char bourbon, by the way, and we're smoking, this is amazing cigar.

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, shout out to Foundation Cigars.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Wow, what is this?

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  Dominican, I believe. No, Nicaraguan.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is it Our Fathers or Our Fathers?

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  The name of the company?

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:45Joe Rogan?

  No, it's a foundation, Foundation Cigars.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  I gotta get the name.

• 18:49Joe Rogan?

  This is called the Tabernacle. This is his.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  Foundation cigars.

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, good, right?

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  Shit, right?

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, if I had your kind of money, I could afford these, you know. Foundation.

• 18:59Joe Rogan?

  Also have him send you a box. He give them to me for free.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Seriously?

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a friend of the show.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Can I get like a monthly delivery?

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I bet he will. I bet he will. Just make a little Instagram post or something. He'll be happy to, yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  I got this friend, he built our house, Hugh J. Alcanner, which I know you are, and so. He goes out and he shoots this massive elk. I mean, this monster. His, the bottom of his horn was like this big round. Just massive, seven by seven.

• 19:30Joe Rogan?

  In Idaho?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Uh, New Mexico.

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  New Mexico's big, yeah. Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, shot him with a bow. He's a bow hunter like you. And so he brings it home. Now, he's all got his fireplace, alright? He's got two over here, two over here. But you gotta balance it up, right?

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  One right in the middle. So he's, he gets his horn. He, you got the European, European mount?

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  That's what he does. So he gets his step ladder. He got his horn. He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do to hold it. And he's putting it up and he's looking at it. And he's like, oh, this is good. This is good. He takes a ladder and he moves it out and he goes to get, gets in his chair. And he's admiring his trophies.

• 20:20Joe Rogan?

  And it falls down?

• 20:21Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. The wife walked in.

• 20:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  And she says, what are you doing? He goes, look babe, seven by seven. Look, two, two, one in the middle, perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  What? I want that out of here. Get that out of here. That's not going up there. Baba, get it out of here. He had to take it down. You know where it is now?

• 20:44Joe Rogan?

  Where is it now?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Garage. I know. It kills him. I said, I said, give it to me. I'll hang it in my living room. My wife doesn't care.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  That's not good.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Massive.

• 20:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Get it out of here. That's, that's not what you want to hear.

• 20:59Joe Rogan?

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• 22:10Joe Rogan?

  I only have one in my house. It's the first one I ever killed.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:14Joe Rogan?

  I have that on my wall.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  That's pretty impressive. You shoot an elk or anything with a bow and arrow, you're close.

• 22:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a lot of work, man.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's not easy.

• 22:23Joe Rogan?

  It's not easy, but I look forward to it every year like nothing else.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  You go out for two weeks or a week?

• 22:30Joe Rogan?

  A week. Usually a week, week at a time, yeah.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  You go to Mexico or Idaho?

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  I haven't been to New Mexico, but I want to. New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there. That's supposed to be like one of the best elk. That, Arizona, spots of Utah just for volume, spots of California.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Montana's got big elk.

• 22:49Joe Rogan?

  Montana's huge elk.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  I don't know about Wyoming. I know Idaho, Utah has huge elk. I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this because the one time I went elk hunting, I gave my trainer, my horse trainer, my tag.

• 23:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 23:02Speaker 01

  And I just followed him.

• 23:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was cool. And he shot this huge six by six.

• 23:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool. So you gave him the tag and just went along with him?

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just went along, stayed behind when they had, we got down, you know, crawling around. It was, hey, it's impressive animal.

• 23:19Joe Rogan?

  You've never done it?

• 23:20Speaker 01

  I don't hunt.

• 23:21Joe Rogan?

  You don't hunt at all, just fish?

• 23:22Speaker 01

  I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff.

• 23:24Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:26Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat. Or I even have a hard time killing a mouse.

• 23:32Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know what it is. Snake, snakes scare me. Centipede, I'll crush a centipede for all these words. Then put him in a grinder in the kitchen. Grind that sucker up. He might still be alive. You ever been to Hawaii and got a hold of some centipedes? Joe, Joe, Joe, hear me, loud and clear.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  They're dangerous.

• 23:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some of them are, yeah.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 23:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  Oh, they're gross.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. So. No, I'm not hunting. My brothers are hunters, my dad was a hunter, all my uncles are hunters. I don't know why I, I, I never did hunt.

• 24:06Joe Rogan?

  Ain't nothing wrong with that. You don't have to do it. It's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  I do that.

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if you wanted to get it yourself. It's, uh.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I don't, I'll, I enjoy, it's like fishing. I'll go fishing with you. I don't have to fish and I love to fish. I don't have to fish as long as you're catching fish and having a good time. That's as much fun for me as any. Oh, mercy.

• 24:30Joe Rogan?

  A big island man caught a foot long centipede. That dude caught that on the big island of Hawaii?

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Hey, check that out. Hey, bud, look at here, right here.

• 24:40Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. I didn't know they got that big.

• 24:44Joe Rogan?

  Is that an invasive one or is that, that can't be native to Hawaii, is it? Hawaiian giant centipedes. Whoa.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Is there a secret to this?

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  No, yeah, you flip the top. The other way. There you go. That's it. Now pull that button down.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Oh, this?

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  Yep, there you go.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Sorry about that.

• 25:03Joe Rogan?

  No worries. That one, for some reason, that lighter confuses the shit out of people.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a pretty good lighter too.

• 25:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was gross, huh? Ugh.

• 25:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so you have no problem killing centipedes, you just don't want to kill an animal. I get it.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I don't.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, if you don't kill them, they get killed by something. It's usually either winter or mountain lions.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  We raised 27 mallard ducks, my wife and I.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  You raise them?

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Raise them. Raised, raised them. And so I told her this morning, flying down here to Austin, so I told her, I said, we've got five ducks left.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  What happened to them? Stupid ducks. Now, we live way out in the country. What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they get crushed?

• 25:47Speaker 01

  And they're getting hit on the road.

• 25:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Why? Why? I have no idea. But we got five left out of twenty-seven.

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  Are you raising them for eggs?

• 25:56Speaker 01

  No, we're just raising them for fun.

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  For fun? Just to have ducks hanging around?

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have ducks, chickens, guineas.

• 26:03Joe Rogan?

  Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them?

• 26:05Speaker 01

  I'm not eating a duck egg. I don't know why. They're darker yolk, I know that. You ever had a guinea egg?

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Guinea, what is it? Like a guinea hen?

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Guinea hen, yeah.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think so.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's good for you, but...

• 26:18Joe Rogan?

  The duck eggs are weird. They like coat your mouth.

• 26:23Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like when you eat them, it just tastes different, but apparently it's massively high in protein.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were talking about eating buffalo and elk, you know, coming in today. And I said, well, I've had buffalo and that elk that my trainer killed. I can have all of it I want, and I got one little steak. My wife won't let me cook it.

• 26:47Joe Rogan?

  She won't let you cook it?

• 26:48Speaker 01

  So it's still sitting. There's no wild game in the house. See, I don't...

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  But it's just meat.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  You met her earlier, didn't you?

• 26:59Joe Rogan?

  She seems like a lovely lady.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  She is a lovely lady.

• 27:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand why she has a problem with wild game.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  When we leave here today, they go and say, hey, Tammy, how about we go over to the house and have a nice little elk steak? And, you know.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  That ain't gonna happen.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  Some people have a bad misconception about wild game. You know, they think that it smells bad or tastes bad.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  I think it's taste. I don't like deer.

• 27:23Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 27:24Speaker 01

  I don't like deer. I like buffalo.

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  I think it's how it's prepared. I guarantee you, if you had deer from someone who prepares it well...

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Do you eat duck?

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Do you eat duck?

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I do.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  We tried to eat, we tried to cook some duck.

• 27:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  It was horrible.

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  See, this is what we're talking about. No, I think it's just how you're preparing it, really.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  I don't know. I do know this. Mr. Chow's got some of the best duck I've ever had.

• 27:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Mr. Chow's in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  That's where I eat duck.

• 27:54Joe Rogan?

  Fantastic duck.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Now, that's good duck.

• 27:57Joe Rogan?

  They probably do a better job of preparing it. That's all it is.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  We tried to do the roo. The roo that you cook duck in.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Ended up looking like tar.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. Do you guys, but do you know how to cook?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Well, we thought we did.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  We found that.

• 28:16Joe Rogan?

  Is your wife a good cook? Yes, she is.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  She is?

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good and he got mad at them. He's like, listen, listen, listen, don't say that. It's not that duck doesn't taste good, it's she don't know what you're doing. And on the show, he prepares it for them. And they're like, this is fantastic. Like, that's how you're supposed to prepare duck. It tastes really good if you do a good job.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Mr. Charles got it down.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they do. They're chefs, professionals.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  But my wife and I, we got it out of, out of the computer.

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. You got a recipe?

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  So we got, a friend of mine sent us five mallards.

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  I think we got two of them out because we didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what? I don't know. So we got, so you gotta make a roux, right? You know, the sauce.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, the sauce.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  So we got the big pot out and we're putting this in, that in, this in, that in.

• 29:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Now you heat it, get it this and that, then you stir, add this and that. And we stirred and we stirred and the more we stirred, I ended up looking like a rubber tire.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  It was horrible.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  It was seriously.

• 29:29Joe Rogan?

  But Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube. Never played football before, oh, let's figure out how to play football. We're gonna watch a YouTube video on how to play football. And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit, right?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  That's the same thing as like you learn how to cook from a recipe if you don't know how to cook.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Have you, I've got a book out called The Bradshaw Family Cookbook and...

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  So you can cook?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, yeah, but I, I don't cook stuff like that. I make a roux. Now, my son-in-law, you met Noah?

• 30:03Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  He's a world-renowned, not a world-renowned, but he was, he's the number one, voted the number one chef in Dallas.

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's from Hawaii.

• 30:12Joe Rogan?

  What restaurants did you cook at in Dallas?

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Uh, Hams. He, he, they hire him.

• 30:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Does that make sense?

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sure, sure.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  They hire him. He does these... Goes out and cooks for companies and people.

• 30:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  It's amazing. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church and I said, I got some, I always mess up pork, pork chops. I love pork chops, but I screw them up. And he said, what you got temperature at thirty? I said, three fifty. He said, twenty minutes, take them off. That's all I needed to know. Perfect. It's beautiful.

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you just gotta learn how to do it. That's all it is. But it's not that the duck tastes bad.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Here's the bad thing about it. I know my, I know my banker, who's the one I got the ducks from. His name is Drake Mills.

• 30:55Joe Rogan?

  His name is Drake?

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Drake, Drake Ducks.

• 30:57Joe Rogan?

  And he has ducks?

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Ducks. He's a duck hunter.

• 31:00Joe Rogan?

  But his name is Drake?

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Drake. Yeah.

• 31:02Joe Rogan?

  That's kinda crazy.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  I, I know, but he's

• 31:04Joe Rogan?

  What a, how ironic.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Serious duck hunter. Serious. He plants five hundred acres of rice.

• 31:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's serious. Okay.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Then he's on the phone with me bitching. It's eighty degrees.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Ducks don't, I mean, they aren't coming in at eighty degrees.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  His, his, his rice and he's got water issues.

• 31:23Joe Rogan?

  Does he know how to cook duck?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  I guess. I never, he's never asked me about what I wanna eat. He duck, but I asked for some duck. He, he told me one day he had plenty of duck. And I said, well, Tammy, we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck. So he sent us five duck, ducks, you know?

• 31:43Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  And that's so

• 31:45Joe Rogan?

  So that's what you cook?

• 31:46Speaker 01

  That's what I cook.

• 31:47Joe Rogan?

  Cooked his ducks. Did you ask him how he cooks it?

• 31:50Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so. No.

• 31:52Joe Rogan?

  Probably shut up. Probably a good idea.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the book.

• 31:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  The book. Come on, Joe.

• 31:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, books are okay.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  The book says a quarter of something.

• 32:00Joe Rogan?

  Really, the right way to do it is to learn from someone who is a really good chef.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  I gotta take a break here. This is pretty dang good. Have you had, have you had any more?

• 32:07Joe Rogan?

  I have. Cheers.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  We need to bump again. This

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, when this is over with.

• 32:12Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  You'll be sitting over there and I'll be sitting over there.

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's a hundred and thirty-five proof.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Oh, that's good.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  But yeah, I think duck cooking, like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad. It's, it's the best tasty meat in the world. It's just how do you cook it?

• 32:31Speaker 01

  You eat turkey, wild turkey?

• 32:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I've had wild turkey.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Dang.

• 32:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're crazy. It was delicious.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  I mean, only way wild tur- you eat squirrel.

• 32:40Joe Rogan?

  I've had squirrel, yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Now, see, I grew up on squirrel. Now, you tell my wife that, or you tell any of my kids that, oh, God, that...

• 32:46Joe Rogan?

  This is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Is that joke? Would you agree? You're a stand-up comedian, so is that, is that a funny?

• 32:52Joe Rogan?

  No, it's kind of like chicken-like. It's almost like a...

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Squirrels taste like chicken?

• 32:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not like a red meat.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  You eat the brain?

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  I have not eaten squirrel brain.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, not the brain.

• 33:02Joe Rogan?

  I've had lamb's brain before. Yeah, my Uncle Vinny used to cook it. He used to slice up, they used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside, like sliced in half, and they'd put two halves on the grill. And they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey, I was like 10, I don't know.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, my brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head. Now, I don't want to...

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  The squirrel head, you used to fight over?

• 33:28Speaker 01

  I don't want to gross out our viewers out there.

• 33:30Joe Rogan?

  Too late.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  But we, you take them, you take them and you hit them with a spoon and rip it, whoa, crack it open. Delicious. Wait, I mean, now, would I eat one today? No.

• 33:43Joe Rogan?

  How old were you when you were doing this?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was, I know at least 15 up to 15, yeah.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Didn't think anything of it.

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  Brains are sketchy. Like, eating brains can get you in trouble. Like, that's a...

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Can I honestly say this, is this the first interview ever done where brains, eating brains has been brought up?

• 34:00Joe Rogan?

  Probably not.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Oh, not?

• 34:02Joe Rogan?

  Have we talked about eating brains before? We have, yeah, for sure.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  We have?

• 34:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Well, I'm not special. I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is. Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows cows. It's, it was basically the same disease that cannibals get.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm not familiar with that. I know about mad cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas. Some kind of, some kind of disease.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the screw worm.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Screw worm.

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, Bruce told me about that.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Can bother.

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  New world screw worm.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  You, horses, dogs.

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, it's a bad, it's apparently a huge problem.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  They, they had it in America, I think in the eighties, and they pushed it back. They got rid of it, so hopefully they can get rid of it again, but it's apparently a really dangerous parasite.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  I don't, yeah, it's a parasite, so. I mean, I got in trouble one time for seeing, uh, people were having during the COVID thing, and they were taking ivermectin, you may have taken ivermectin. And I gave, I, I didn't know any better, I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But ivermectin, we, I used to give it to the cattle.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  That's what, I don't.

• 35:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  And I had a, not speaking of brains, this is true, we were in Hawaii, I run into a brain surgeon. And he says, are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said, um, I had it, got over it, you know, I'm all right now. And he says, well, he says, boy, I tell you, he said, I take ivermectin, man, that's been, I said, brain surgeon, and I said to him, obviously, I said, really? You, it's cattle dewormer, ivermectin kills parasites. So I just left it at that, and I walked out, and I go, a brain surgeon? I never could rationalize that kind of thinking, but, you know.

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings, for use in human beings.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  No, I didn't know that.

• 36:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever, um, it's an anti-parasitic that also has antiviral properties.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't know that, obviously, I wasn't as well informed as you are.

• 36:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I, so did I.

• 36:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, I, I got in trouble like publicly, like on CNN, the, the White House talked about it during, I got over, you don't know the story, so, and for the people that know the story, I'm sorry, I have to repeat it. But during the pandemic, um, I got COVID, and we had a, me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville, and I had to cancel it because I had COVID. And so I made a video. Um, saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows. I had covid, I was sick for a couple of days, but now I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff monoclonal antibodies and one of the things that I took was ivermectin.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:57Joe Rogan?

  So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people saying that I was taking horse dewarmer. Well, it's human medication prescribed to me by my doctor. Who also took ivermectin, also got covid, also got better. And he didn't take all the stuff that I took.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:16Joe Rogan?

  I took a bunch of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin. They made my skin look green on CNN. Like no bullshit.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  No bullshit.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  They AI'd you.

• 37:24Joe Rogan?

  They, they literally put a filter on my, my face to make me look green.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  They would put a cow's head over me. Yeah. I honestly did not know that you, that a human.

• 37:38Joe Rogan?

  Takes ivermectin.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  But I, I will say.

• 37:39Joe Rogan?

  It was actually invented for humans.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I actually didn't know that and I, and I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. And he wasn't the only one that told me that.

• 37:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, the problem was it was, that was a narrative that was all over the news. Is that it was horse dewarmer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, with cows.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  I only knew it was cattle.

• 37:56Joe Rogan?

  It's a, it is a dewarmer, but that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No, well, they use penicillin on, on animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's like, it's medicine, we're mammals, we have similar medicines. That's what ivermectin is. It's, it stops viral replication. And that's the benefit that a lot of people.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Proven to stop, was it proven?

• 38:16Joe Rogan?

  There's a ton of studies, there's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it, but there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Here, I got one over here, thank you.

• 38:29Joe Rogan?

  But the reason why they wanted to get everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money and that's what they did.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Oh wait, well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money.

• 38:39Joe Rogan?

  A lot of money.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of money.

• 38:42Joe Rogan?

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• 41:12Speaker 01

  See, I, but I, you knew more about it than I did because

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, I had to find out about it.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Being a farmer, that's all I'd used it for.

• 41:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, it's very effective as a Dean wormer.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  But it, it also stops viral replication and

• 41:25Speaker 01

  But I wasn't gonna take it. I don't care if they'd have said this is, I wasn't gonna take that.

• 41:29Joe Rogan?

  You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to you by your doctor?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  Well, that'd be a different story.

• 41:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, mine was prescribed to me by my doctor.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  But I'm married to a doctor and my doctor said, we're not taking any of it.

• 41:39Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 41:40Speaker 01

  But I took, you know, I'm one of those guys that if they say, I mean,

• 41:46Speaker 01

  when I, when I got COVID, I was sitting in my dressing room at Fox, felt fine. Felt fine. We got tested every, every Sunday morning, we got tested.

• 42:00Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  They came in and said, you gotta go, you gotta leave. What happened? Oh, you've, you got, you got COVID. I'm like, what?

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  Did you get sick?

• 42:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Now, here's the thing.

• 42:12Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Here's the thing.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  The question that came to mind later was, okay, the guy that drove me over here, the guy that's gonna take me to the airport, how am I getting home?

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12 days? That was my dilemma.

• 42:29Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  What do I do? But I did get sick.

• 42:32Joe Rogan?

  You did eventually?

• 42:33Speaker 01

  I did, yeah.

• 42:34Joe Rogan?

  You got real sick?

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Took me about four days and I got real sick.

• 42:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Did you do anything during those four days? Were you taking vitamins? Nothing?

• 42:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Mm-mm. I don't take vitamins.

• 42:43Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 42:44Speaker 01

  I don't take vitamins, no.

• 42:45Joe Rogan?

  How come? You're married to a doctor.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  I never, I'd never have taken vitamins. I don't know why.

• 42:50Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 42:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:51Joe Rogan?

  Even when you were playing?

• 42:52Speaker 01

  No, no, I take a B12 shot.

• 42:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay, well, that's a vitamin.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  But I gave it to myself.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  You give it to yourself?

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:57Joe Rogan?

  Intramuscular?

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 42:59Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Little tube. We'd take it after practice.

• 43:01Joe Rogan?

  Bam.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Had them in a big bag and we'd take them.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's good for energy.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  But there's a bunch

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Tired, hot, tired, but no.

• 43:06Joe Rogan?

  Sure. A lot of other vitamins too, though.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  I don't have a problem with MRI machines, PET scans, surgery. No, no, I got a bad hip right now. I'm, I'm telling you, Joe, it's killing me.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  And I got it injected.

• 43:20Joe Rogan?

  With stem cells?

• 43:21Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't do stem cells.

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 43:24Speaker 01

  I don't believe in stem cells.

• 43:26Joe Rogan?

  You don't believe in them?

• 43:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  But you believe in that little baby Jesus?

• 43:29Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  That catches fish for you?

• 43:30Speaker 01

  No, this, this I do believe in. Go ahead and laugh. That, Joe, you don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus pointing at it. You better cut that laugh.

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Listen, bro, if you and I go fishing, I'm gonna beg you to point that baby Jesus my way.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, I'm gonna give you one, I got hundreds of these.

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  If we go fishing, I really want to point my way, I believe.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:49Joe Rogan?

  I believe that little baby Jesus works. But my question is, how come you don't believe in stem cells?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  I had too many people, based just on people that went and did stem cells.

• 44:02Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  And what happened? They went back and did it again.

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Did it again.

• 44:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Then what happened?

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 44:10Speaker 01

  They went back and did it again.

• 44:12Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Then what happened?

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 44:13Speaker 01

  They went back and did it again.

• 44:15Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 44:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, why'd they keep going back?

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Because it didn't work.

• 44:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, didn't work at all?

• 44:20Speaker 01

  Same symptoms came, no, no, no, it worked, it worked for a little bit.

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, what are these people dealing with? What's wrong with them? They're going back and back and back.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Mostly knees and ankles.

• 44:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you're probably talking about arthritis?

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:34Joe Rogan?

  Probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions. So, the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells? You're gonna get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone? But stem cells work.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  I don't, I, you know, good, I'm glad, I'm glad they work. You do stem cells?

• 44:53Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent, yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  What, what hurts?

• 44:55Joe Rogan?

  I had a rotator cuff tear that completely went away.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Now, that's at least a year.

• 45:00Joe Rogan?

  That's what you say.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  At least a year.

• 45:02Joe Rogan?

  I had a full-length rotator cuff tear, I got stem cells shot into it.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  A full tear?

• 45:06Joe Rogan?

  Full tear. My doctor told me I one hundred percent was going to need surgery. I went to an ortho- orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended, so they sent me to their guys.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Joe, excuse me.

• 45:17Joe Rogan?

  Please go.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  But if I finish this, I'm probably gonna believe you.

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to believe me or not believe me, I'm telling the truth. So, I went to this doctor, he said, "You have a full-length rotator cuff tear, you're gonna need surgery." He goes, "You could rehab it if you want, you could try, maybe make it a little bit better, but ultimately, you're just putting off the surgery." So, I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas, Dr. Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment. And then, six months later, he gives me an MRI, and he says, "The rotator cuff tear is completely gone." He goes, "I've never seen anything like this in my life." He goes, "It's gone." It did, literally, the tear doesn't exist anymore.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  You had baby Jesus in your pocket.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  No, I had science.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Alright, hey.

• 45:56Joe Rogan?

  It works. It'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it. And the reason why so many people are doing it is, look, it's not a miracle. It's not gonna fix things that are unfixable.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  No, I...

• 46:09Joe Rogan?

  Like bone-on-bone arthritis, it's not gonna fix that.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  That's what I'm dealing with.

• 46:13Joe Rogan?

  But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  When I got cancer, I had to do, um, certain treatments and I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still on my rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now,

• 46:33Speaker 01

  um, I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having. But you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation. And so, do you wanna risk that?

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Plus, I kept getting all these, um, cancer things.

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  So you had two types of cancer, right? You had skin cancer?

• 46:53Speaker 01

  I had bladder and Merkel cell, which is 2% of America has Merkel cell. Both of them, the bladder cancer was, was, uh... I went to a doctor in Dallas. He checked me and he says, "Well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine, that's normal," or something like that. And I kept complaining, man, it just went on. Finally, I told my wife, I said, "Boy, something's not right." And so, she researched and found the best doctor was at Yale University, Yale. So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut for testing. Went in, exploratory biopsy, came out and said, "You got bladder cancer." Wow. It's a funny story about that, funny story.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Now, there's nothing funny about cancer. But I, the last time I got divorced, you ever been divorced?

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Okay, good, good for you. So the last time I got divorced,

• 47:49Speaker 01

  my wife calls me and she says, "I need for you to sit down.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  I don't love you anymore, I want a divorce."

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Oh, alright, ended that story.

• 48:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  So my wife, the wife's sitting outside after they get, she gets the report. I didn't know she got the report. And she says, "Honey, I need for you to sit down."

• 48:12Speaker 01

  I ain't sitting down.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Don't want another divorce. That's the first

• 48:19Speaker 01

  flash into my head. The last time I heard a woman tell me, "Sit down. I need for you to sit down." My ass was out there at 5 o'clock that afternoon.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  Oy.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Oy.

• 48:29Joe Rogan?

  Boy.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Hey.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, I wouldn't sit down. She said,

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  Bad day.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  She said, "You got bladder cancer." And I said, "All right, all right."

• 48:36Joe Rogan?

  At least we're not getting divorced.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  I can deal with bladder cancer. I can't deal with another divorce.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  Want to hear a crazy story about stem cells in bladder?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Now, let me ask you something.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  This woman, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about stem cells. They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells. She had some sort of a bladder issue. I don't remember if it was cancer or what it was, but she had to have her bladder removed. They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue. Put it back in her body, and now that's her bladder. So, stem cells work.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Did that make the news?

• 49:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, sure. There's articles written about it. Peer-reviewed papers on it. No, she has not been here, nor has the doctor that did it, but I'm aware of the story.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl and then?

• 49:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how they did it, because I'm a moron, but someone, someone very smart.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  I'm totally a moron when it comes to stuff like that.

• 49:27Joe Rogan?

  Someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder for this woman.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  But it works for you and you believe it. Who am I to?

• 49:32Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean, "believe it"? Like, she's got a bladder now.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  No, if you believe, well, fine, but I mean, I mean, fine. That's good.

• 49:40Joe Rogan?

  Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me. I'll bring it a ways to, well, get you some stem cells, and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, "Wow, it fixed it."

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're not arguing here.

• 49:49Joe Rogan?

  No, we're not arguing, but I'm saying it.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  But I just.

• 49:52Joe Rogan?

  There's, there's real reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  And they die in Tijuana.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  What was a great actor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done and?

• 50:07Joe Rogan?

  Who did that?

• 50:08Speaker 01

  He was the ghost, what was his name, the actor. Also.

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  He went to Mexico and died?

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Two actors went down there for stem cells. When stem cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it. Remember when they wouldn't do it in America?

• 50:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  So they were going to Germany?

• 50:26Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  And they were going to Mexico.

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Germany was a lot for regeniquine. Yeah, they were going for.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Cause I know Fred Couples was going to Germany.

• 50:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean Kobe Bryant went to Germany, Peyton Manning went to Germany. They went to Germany for regeniquine, which is like a very, that's not stem cells as much. That's something.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a very advanced form of platelet-rich plasma like PRP. It's like PRP, but it's way more effective. I had that done too. I had that cure to a bulging disc for me.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Now, one of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is, I don't have a God on this, by the way, but.

• 51:00Joe Rogan?

  Stem cells.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, but cancer is now, what are they, what is, what's it called? Where you go in, they spin your blood and they then put it back in you.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  What is that called? You know what?

• 51:14Joe Rogan?

  PRP? That's what we were just talking about, platelet-rich plasma?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Then rip it and put it back in?

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Interesting luck.

• 51:22Joe Rogan?

  There's a, well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma, pharesis, it's another thing. They take the plasma out.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  I don't know why, and I'm not sitting here.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  I'm not sitting here saying, hey Joe, you're crazy. Alright, you did it.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  You wouldn't be the first.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  No, you did it. You believe in it. It happened for you. You know, alright, I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot all day long.

• 51:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  You don't, you put anything in your body with a needle?

• 51:48Joe Rogan?

  Anything? Not anything. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah.

• 51:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't just try it out. Let's see what happens. And I put this in my body with a needle.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you know, it's, it's. Look, I got a sister-in-law this one that's totally this way and I'm totally that way. You're one way and I'm, and that's good. That's what makes the world go round.

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  What does a sister-in-law do? What do you mean? What does that mean? Is she a liberal?

• 52:16Speaker 01

  No, absolutely not. Very much Republican conservative. Yeah.

• 52:20Joe Rogan?

  So what, how is she different than you? What way?

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Well.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  If so, if it works and I think it's gonna work, I I'm not afraid to try it.

• 52:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  I was, I was, uh, when I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and I'm laying in a hospital and they take me and they isolate me. Isolate me, cuz they didn't know what's wrong with me.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Test, test, test, test.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Boy, I'm in a hurry, then to go in and do, um, um, I wanna say stem cells. I wanna say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind. Um, went into my knee and I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine. And then they released me and I went home and I was home one day and in the middle of the night, I'm screaming and hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up and then, thank God, I, I, at that time, I owned a plane. So I could get on the plane and get back to Florida. And got down there and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis. And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with me.

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  So is it only the knees?

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, only the knee.

• 53:35Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Only the knee, that's where the knee, I never, there's no, there's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family, none. You can't find it anywhere.

• 53:43Joe Rogan?

  Is rheumatoid arthritis systemic? Don't you, when most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, but look at.

• 53:50Joe Rogan?

  But if you have it in your.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  But look, this finger's just turning, that thumb's just now turning. My hands, right now, because I'm not, I don't take any medicine. The only thing that hurts in the morning before I take, I take a, do you take Celebrex? Do you believe in Celebrex?

• 54:07Joe Rogan?

  What is Celebrex?

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Celebrex, anti-inflammatory.

• 54:09Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think that.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Okay, I take an inflammatory in the morning, that's all I can take.

• 54:12Joe Rogan?

  I take Turmeric.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Okay, I take an anti-inflammatory and that makes, that takes about eighty percent of the pain away. Doesn't hurt anywhere else. Now, my hip is, you know, starting to kill me.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  My ankle was killing me.

• 54:26Joe Rogan?

  How about, how many years did you play football for?

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Fourteen, fourteen professional. That's four, that's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional. And I, and I played back in the seventies when, I mean, come on.

• 54:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Shit hit the fan back then.

• 54:42Joe Rogan?

  Right. What were the surgeries like back then?

• 54:43Speaker 01

  You know, you, I mean, it was tough.

• 54:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Back then, they shoot you up. You, you know, you, you're gonna play. That's how it was. You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles and they were shooting me up before the game. And then at halftime, I'd get shot up again.

• 55:00Joe Rogan?

  What were they shooting you up with?

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Stomach block. I tore, I tore the, the, um, oblique.

• 55:06Joe Rogan?

  You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing?

• 55:08Speaker 01

  They didn't make me.

• 55:09Joe Rogan?

  But.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  I wanted to keep playing.

• 55:11Joe Rogan?

  And what were they shooting you up with? Cortisone or something?

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Stuff. I don't know.

• 55:14Joe Rogan?

  Stuff?

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Stuff. I don't know. Joe, I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor? Hey, let me just say this. I could play, alright?

• 55:21Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  I didn't have a problem with it.

• 55:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay, it worked.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  It's scary. You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it, didn't give it a thought.

• 55:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  At, at all. You know, just, it's, it's kind of the way it was. It's, it was, uh, the unspoken bravado.

• 55:41Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Yeah? You know that. Football players, they, back in the, can you imagine the fifties and the sixties?

• 55:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Jeez Louise.

• 55:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, what, what year did you start playing professionally?

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Seventy.

• 55:51Joe Rogan?

  Seventy, what? Seventy?

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Seventy, seventy.

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  I'm seventy-seven.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  You're what? Fifty?

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  Fifty-eight.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Fifty-eight.

• 56:00Joe Rogan?

  Almost fifty-nine.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm seventy-seven. Yeah. Soon be seventy-eight. So I just didn't think it. And then I said, well, how'd you get used to all that? I grew up with it. When you grow up with it.

• 56:10Joe Rogan?

  It's normal.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Normal.

• 56:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  It's all part of the, you play. And as a quarterback, I think back then, or any time, quarterbacks play. Coach has got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what. And I even had one coach say, hey, you always play hurt. You always play hurt.

• 56:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I do. Don't, don't shoot me up.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Block it.

• 56:35Joe Rogan?

  Shoot me up with stuff.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's have it. Stuff, yeah. Yeah. You don't ask what it is. You just, you just, I, I, you want to hear?

• 56:44Speaker 01

  We played Cincinnati one year and the night before the game, there's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Yo, yeah, it's just normal.

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  And you don't know what they were shooting them up with?

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Well, we played, didn't we? I told you, stuff.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  And you didn't think anything of it, nobody?

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Right. It was just normal.

• 57:11Joe Rogan?

  Normal.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Normal.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  You gotta play.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:14Joe Rogan?

  He's a doctor.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Hey, it's part of the, you know, everybody hates, you know.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  Did they have steroids back then?

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did.

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  I just didn't, I didn't know why, why one player was built like Atlas. Skin tight, muscles bulging, didn't know, you know, didn't know anything about it. Howie Long, you never had Howie on the Howie's?

• 57:37Joe Rogan?

  No, I've never had Howie.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Howie's amazing. Now, Howie tells this story, he was a rookie defensive tackler, no, defensive end at this time. He lined up over our tight end Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around and he was, had like a 22 inch waist, massive legs, ripped every muscle, you could see the muscles in it, it's the most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. And he put his, he put his arm, he put his arm down, you know, getting in position and Howie lined up over him and Howie tells us Howie's the best and Howie goes, "You gotta be effing kidding me." He said he'd never seen anything like that. So I don't, I'm not saying Larry did steroids or anything like that, but he was something

• 58:22Joe Rogan?

  But he might have.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Might have, I don't know.

• 58:24Joe Rogan?

  He might have, some people were.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:26Joe Rogan?

  What year did steroids enter into sports?

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Well, I think it came, I think it became an issue after the 70s, correct?

• 58:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was an issue in the Olympics and

• 58:36Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 58:37Joe Rogan?

  One of the things they were noticing was Eastern Bloc women, they weren't very-

• 58:41Speaker 01

  Hey, I'm gonna do an interview. Okay, Nancy?

• 58:44Joe Rogan?

  They were very womenly.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:46Joe Rogan?

  They, they seemed to, and then those women reported about it, they talked about it back in the day, that, you know, that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life and.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  Not good for you, that's for sure.

• 58:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, especially for a woman to take

• 59:00Speaker 01

  For anybody.

• 59:00Joe Rogan?

  Hyper male, for sure.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  You and I, you and I could probably sit here.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  And talk about certain athletes that had such a body change.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Alright?

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  And go.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  You know.

• 59:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  You gotta be kidding me.

• 59:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  And then I think rightly or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that, wouldn't want to mention them.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  I'd say it, yeah. Well, I know a lot of guys who have taken steroids, especially because of the early days of the UFC.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Everybody was taking steroids.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't.

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  And Pride in Japan, everyone was taking steroids.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Not everyone, but most people. Rampage didn't, but there's a good percentage of people that did.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  And while you found out, when you found out later that steroids are not good for you, they soften the tendons, the ligaments, and you never, and then all of a sudden, these athletes start having problems. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt. Start getting hurt. And, you know.

• 59:59Joe Rogan?

  I think what happens is the muscles are too strong for the tendons. Those tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  I don't think about steroids. I don't know, I don't know the dynamics or the physi, physi, physics of it.

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  I know the muscles get big.

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  But the tendons don't grow to match the muscles?

• 1:00:20Joe Rogan?

  What it is is, exactly. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured, injured to heal.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, what happens a lot of times is these guys develop these massive muscles and they can move so much more weight, but the tendons haven't really caught up to what the muscles can do. And a lot of times, these guys wind up blowing out tendons.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  I mean, the, that wrestling bunch, I mean, every one of those guys looked like an Adonis.

• 1:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Especially back in the day.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Hey, Schwarzenegger.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Schwarzenegger.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Was there?

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, he's open about it, you know. He took a lot of steroids.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  You know what? We know it, someone say it.

• 1:00:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  We're not stupid.

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a sport where it's required. If you want to be Mr. Olympia, it's no, there's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids. It doesn't exist.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  What about the, what about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that?

• 1:01:11Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure, I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that. Uh, but I'm sure a bunch of those. No, no, no.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:01:16Joe Rogan?

  No, but I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it too. That's how you get big. You know, and if you're a wrestler and you want to be on WrestleMania, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it. You gotta take steroids. You know, it's not a normal physique for someone to attain.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  And you don't get tested for it?

• 1:01:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly. That's why the early days of the UFC, there was no testing. And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions. And then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commission's testing because it's only one day. So it was really more, they, they, they would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  And so then they started using USADA and USADA would just randomly test people. And then they started catching people. And that's when physiques really changed.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, you know,

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  that year, I'll say it, that year when those baseball players were hitting sixty home runs like it was nothing.

• 1:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  And they were, you're looking at them and going, geez.

• 1:02:17Joe Rogan?

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• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

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• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  That was the best.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Joe Rogan?

  They should give them all steroids. It's the only time baseball's fun.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  I tell you what, it was, um, the viewers were tuning in.

• 1:03:29Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days, Barry Bonds, yeah.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  Barry went from 185 to.

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  I met Barry when he was normal sized. When he was like a normal athlete and then he just got giant. But also, he was a great baseball player first.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  First.

• 1:03:48Joe Rogan?

  And then you give him all those steroids and now he's got all this muscle and he's just cracking them out of the park. Those are the good old days. They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Boy, I'll tell you.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't see nothing. They should have, everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  That's from Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be back in a minute.

• 1:04:15Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, is the great American pastime and you don't want to associate the great American pastime with what people think is cheating.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, yeah, you look, there's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the Hall of Fame and they're getting barred from the Hall of Fame.

• 1:04:30Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  Barry's one of them. Barry was a great player without it.

• 1:04:34Joe Rogan?

  Fantastic player, yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Mark McGuire.

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  And so was Mark McGuire. And so was Sammy Sosa.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, didn't need it. And I don't, maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed, maybe they didn't think they'd get caught.

• 1:04:44Joe Rogan?

  These guys got giant. I don't know how they didn't think the people would notice. They got, they got enormous.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, hey, it is what it is. I mean, um, it was a fun time though.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Joe Rogan?

  Fun time for baseball.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  You know, I remember people asked me, they said, you didn't know your guys were on steroids? And hell, I didn't know what steroids was. I remember one time, I was at the Hall of Fame, someone's, that was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know, but not anabolic steroids.

• 1:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, you took cortisone.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't correlate the two, the differences. And one guy comes up to me, you idiot, it's. There's, there's two types, at least we know of, and I went, I didn't know.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  That's actually funny.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  I'm, you know what? Let me tell you the truth.

• 1:05:37Joe Rogan?

  Tell me the truth.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  I'm glad, I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, what's he on? I didn't look, I just, hell, I just, they're lifting weights, brother. They're just lifting weights, God bless them. You know?

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a good attitude to have.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well, if that's the case, it wasn't illegal. Everybody was doing it.

• 1:06:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, not only that, but let's be realistic. Most teams were on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best. And if you got a bunch of guys and the way they could do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be, they're gonna take steroids, especially when it's legal.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just...

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Especially when it's legal.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  You don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence, it was.

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you're gonna have a bunch of people that want an edge. And, you know, there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Joe Rogan?

  Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take. It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for muscle.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  I heard blueberries are good for your brain.

• 1:06:46Joe Rogan?

  Blueberries are good for your brain.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Franco Harris used to tell me, Brad, are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, Franco, you're not gonna believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you. He goes, it's good for your brain, good for your brain.

• 1:06:57Joe Rogan?

  They are.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  And I love blueberries, yeah.

• 1:07:00Joe Rogan?

  Lot of antioxidants in them too. Yeah, blueberries are just great, period. But, but, you know, when you're doing things for your body, when you're a professional athlete, it's, of course, there's gonna be a bunch of people that are on steroids. Like, if you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it. Like, what are we doing here? We lying?

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Think they do it today?

• 1:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they don't do it today? That's the real question.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  I asked you.

• 1:07:23Joe Rogan?

  They definitely do something. They do whatever the fuck they can get away with.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Do you see how big these kids are coming out of high school?

• 1:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, there's also genetics, like people change.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  Well, kids, kids nowadays are eating better, training better.

• 1:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Eating better, training better, more nutrition.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly. They're huge. They're huge. You know, I think my, I think my offensive line in the seventies averaged about maybe 260? 260?

• 1:07:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow. That's like a hundred pounds difference than today, right?

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Now you're loving these coaches. My offensive line this year are gonna be 6'5", 372. And you go, whoa. Now can they move? And then they'll say something like, but got quick feet. Okay, got quick feet. I love quick feet.

• 1:08:07Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy when you see some of these guys doing the 40.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  You, you, you been out on sideline?

• 1:08:12Joe Rogan?

  I've watched videos, I haven't been live.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Go to the sideline. Go to the sideline.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Seven feet tall, 440 pounds. That is crazy. Seven foot 380. Oh my God.

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  Look at that.

• 1:08:28Joe Rogan?

  As an eighth grader, go back to that picture. As an eighth grader, he was six foot 10, 450 pounds in fucking junior high school. Junior high school.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, you know, I.

• 1:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Desmond Weston, look at, Desmond Watson.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Look at, where's he going to school?

• 1:08:46Joe Rogan?

  464 pounds, heaviest player. Wow.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  Oh, he's in the NFL.

• 1:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, NFL history. 464 pounds. That's so big.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could put on their pants and that nothing rolled over.

• 1:09:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see what you're saying, yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  They were flat belly, they were in shape because we ran a, we ran a, our game was. All about motion, traps and specials and leads and stuff like that. They had to run. They had to run and they ran. And if they were 400 pounds, you can pull this guy.

• 1:09:22Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  400 pounds. I mean, so I'm, if, if I were a coach today, just my, my thinking, what I want. I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I want, I don't want a guy that you go, alright, we're going to do gassers. Uh, Billy John, Williams, William Earl, uh, y'all go ahead and go on and get showered. No, 380 or whatever. They can't, they can't run gassers.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  They can't run gassers.

• 1:09:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  You know, or run the mile. We had to run a Steeler mile every year when we got to training camp. Well, if you're 325, 30 pounds, nah, I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started and I turned to Howie, Howie's always at me, we're always together. And I went, holy.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  Isn't there a utility though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big giant dude that maybe can't run gassers? But can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Right. Maybe he's only got to go five yards.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But that wasn't how I was brought up.

• 1:10:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, I understand.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  That wasn't what I was taught.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  But obviously you're a fan of the game still and you still watch the game. How much has the game changed from when like 1970, your first year in the NFL?

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Talking about it.

• 1:10:39Joe Rogan?

  But like.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Big.

• 1:10:41Joe Rogan?

  But would you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game?

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no.

• 1:10:47Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Size. Joe Green made the Hall of Fame at 275 defensive tackle, 275. Uh, Jack Lambert, uh, 218, admitted linebacker, Hall of Famer.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  How big was Jim Brown in his prime?

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Jim Brown? I, I never played against Jim Brown.

• 1:11:04Joe Rogan?

  It was before your time, but how big was Jim Brown?

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Probably 220, maybe 215.

• 1:11:08Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I, I always, I always say, size wise, this can't do it. And then of course you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that, but.

• 1:11:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Size wise, size wise. Now, I will say this, the wide receivers, the quarterbacks and running backs could play today. And probably the tight ends, but then when you get, my center weighed 252.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  And I always say, since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull. I'll take my Angus bull over your Charlebleau anytime. Your Charlebleau is gonna be, or Seminole is gonna be huge, up off the ground. But my Angus bull is gonna get under him and be able to control him with, with, with, with technique.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, you got bulls fighting each other, is that what you're saying?

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  No, Joe, you're not listening.

• 1:11:56Joe Rogan?

  I'm trying to listen.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  You're okay, you get some rest last night?

• 1:11:59Joe Rogan?

  I did.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Okay, good.

• 1:12:00Joe Rogan?

  Fully rested, worked out today, everything. Right? Yeah.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Got a big bull.

• 1:12:05Joe Rogan?

  The little bull can get under him.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  He's already got the leverage, cause he's under the big bull.

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Got it.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  The big bull's gotta get down to get leverage on the little bull.

• 1:12:12Joe Rogan?

  I understand what you're saying.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  He's got all the mass and the weight, it outnumbers him.

• 1:12:15Joe Rogan?

  Sort of like Mike Tyson in his prime.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Woo!

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  That's a bad sucker.

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Bad as, bad as it gets.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Bad.

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Baddest man ever.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  He came in a restaurant I was in and he saw him and he came over and he pulled up a chair. There was an aisle, and I'm sitting over here next to the wall, and then there's dinner chairs here. He went over, he pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle, and we talked about Johnny Aninus for an hour.

• 1:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  Mike Tyson, now that's pretty cool.

• 1:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes, you know, I mean, that, that guy studies, he studies warriors and athletes and former generals and he's-

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:12:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he knows so much about Genghis Khan. Me and, we had this long conversation, he knew his original name, which is Temujin.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  Genghis Khan?

• 1:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did, I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I, I got pretty obsessed. And I, there's a guy named Dan Carlin, he's got a fantastic series called Hardcore History.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:10Joe Rogan?

  It's a podcast, and he had this series on Genghis Khan called The Wrath of the Khan. And that, that, that got me obsessed, that opened up the door. And then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries, and I got obsessed.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy.

• 1:13:25Joe Rogan?

  But he knew so much about Genghis Khan, he knew his original name, which was Temujin. He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand. It, Mike knew everything about it.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Mike studies, like, conquerors, you know? He's like really, yeah.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:40Joe Rogan?

  He's a very smart guy.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that people would know that.

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Mike is a very interesting guy. He's not, he's not what people think of, if you think of Mike Tyson as being this like mindless destroyer, now he's very intelligent.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, did he ever, you ever, you ever- You ever think about...

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• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Why do athletes have an image, my image was I was the dumb guy. You ever have, you ever asked yourself a question, why, why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him? But prior to that, that wasn't out in the press, was it?

• 1:16:14Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Maybe later in his career, but.

• 1:16:17Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to, you'd watch a guy fight like that and he fought so brutally and if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand like the amount of thinking that has to take place to get that good. Like it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving, he's being incredibly elusive, he's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right, he's cutting angles like a middleweight. He's doing things to these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager was a guy named Jim Jacobs.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  Also a short guy.

• 1:16:53Joe Rogan?

  A short guy, yeah. He was like 5'11" in his prime.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  There you go, there's the bull issue right there.

• 1:16:57Joe Rogan?

  Bull, like 20 inch neck, I mean, he was a tank. And he, his manager was this guy Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian and he had all of these old film reels of everyone from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchell to Jack Dempsey, like all the old time fighters. And Mike would watch those on a, all day long. So he would train and then he would watch these guys all day long. So he had an access to film footage that most fighters, all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live back in those days in the eighties. There was no, there was no VHS tapes, you know, there was, there was no like real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then. So when Mike, this is when Mike was like 13.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  So Mike was 13 years old and he's watching film of the greatest, Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxers of all time, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano, he's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like, it takes intelligence to do that. Like it's not, that's not what a dumb guy would do. A dumb guy wouldn't see, oh, when he does this, it's because of that, so he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him. Beautiful, I'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to, how to find those patterns in sparring.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  I always thought.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Because you hear a counter punch.

• 1:18:16Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  Do you know how hard it is, and I'm not a boxer, but when someone, you watch their training and then and then they'll say, when does this counter punch?

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Do you know how fast that, you know how fast that brain?

• 1:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Has to work for you to counter punch?

• 1:18:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you have to be lightning fast.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Lightning fast.

• 1:18:34Joe Rogan?

  And you have to have trained it a thousand times.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  You want to be hit all day long in the face and the stomach and.

• 1:18:41Joe Rogan?

  Tough way to make a living, but so is football. And especially back when you guys were playing, when they would just shoot you up with stuff.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Different for sure, but not boxing, holy cow. I met, I met Muhammad Ali one time.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  I was six, three and a half, I'm six, one and a half now. And I was looking up to him and I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed. And you know, we got, we had a, we had a great first time meeting. He was a fan of mine, I didn't know it and was like, whoa, that made me great. And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at and he'd send notes down to me to come down and say hello to him. Well, you know, I've got to bother him and I'd go, I'd go down, hey, hey champ, how you doing? Terry Bradshaw, yeah, yeah, hey, have you heard this one? He'd tell me a joke. A joke. That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali. Yeah, but I loved Muhammad Ali.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  That was an incredibly, incredibly intelligent guy. And also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  And we hated him for it. I didn't like him. Did you like him?

• 1:19:47Joe Rogan?

  I loved him, but I was, I was younger.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't like him. I, I grew up in an era of respect.

• 1:19:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  You respect your opponent.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  You don't say anything bad about them. You give them all the praise when it's all said, you respect your opponent. You don't show, showboat, you don't do anything, you don't run into the end zone, you don't do this. You respect your opponent and that's the way. That I was raised and that's how and that and actually the way I was coached and I had a I had a hard time, a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone, he'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all and Billy White Shoes is he's a good dude, you know, and but I didn't like it. I just don't like, I don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself. If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing because

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  it's you. But when you're playing a team, a team event, everybody, somebody else had to do that job too. And I just had a hard time with that.

• 1:20:51Joe Rogan?

  I see what you're saying.

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:52Joe Rogan?

  In a team sport, but in boxing, boxing is just one on one. But you still didn't like it even in boxing.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  Pragging. And now I look back now, of course, I love it now.

• 1:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  But he knew what he was doing.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's psychological warfare.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:07Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Liston so confused before he fought him. He would show up at Sonny Liston's house in like the middle of the night and stand on his lawn and scream at him. Yeah, he was just fucking with that guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and like making sure that all day long he's thinking about him and and he also thought he was a legitimate insane person. Like the way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person. So he was worried all the time. So he's like worried that you're around this insane person.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  You ever see the video where they met?

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  You better be, you, listen, if if you can do, if you can do that and back it up, which.

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  He did.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  He did. Then I tip my hat to you.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino?

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:21:50Joe Rogan?

  So Sonny Liston was at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards and Muhammad Ali came, I think, back when he was Cassius Clay, came up behind him and he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy shit and get and Sonny pulls out a gun.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:22:03Joe Rogan?

  And shoots it into the air and everybody scatters. It was a blank gun. But he anticipated that Ali was gonna do that to him. So he said, I'm gonna scare the shit out of this. You think, you want to play crazy? Let's play crazy. See if you can find that video, Jamie. The video's amazing. It's amazing. Because he just pulls this and then he shows, he like shoots, here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. Grab his headphone.

• 1:22:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pull it up, pull it, bring it back to the beginning.

• 1:22:31Joe Rogan?

  Whoa! Yeah.

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  So he shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank. That is crazy though. So, he was prepared. Isn't that funny? He had blanks.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  That's crazy, brother.

• 1:23:05Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty smart.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 1:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because like, you got this guy's acting crazy like, "I'm gonna out crazy him, I don't wanna shoot anybody, but I'm gonna out crazy him, give me a gun with some blanks." And just pull it out in the mid- see, he must have known.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Alex Baldwin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody, I mean, that's...

• 1:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly, but...

• 1:23:30Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:23:34Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean that wasn't Sonny Liston? That wa- absolutely was Sonny Liston. Says it's from a movie. Bro, that's Sonny Liston.

• 1:23:41Speaker 05

  Dramatizing retelling of his own life, the man with the gun is an actor, not Sonny Liston.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Let me see that again.

• 1:23:45Speaker 05

  Because he knows the movie set.

• 1:23:47Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:23:48Speaker 05

  That's what it says.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened?

• 1:23:52Speaker 05

  There's no real footage of Liston firing a gun at Ali.

• 1:23:55Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:23:56Speaker 05

  Dramatic clip circulating online, the one in nearly every rare footage post is a scene from a 1977 film called The Greatest.

• 1:24:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I saw that movie. So, let me see it again?

• 1:24:08Joe Rogan?

  Can I see the video again? That's crazy.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  There you are.

• 1:24:12Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. I would've swore that's Sonny Liston.

• 1:24:15Speaker 05

  You're, you're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator over narrator.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  Wasn't Sonny Liston bald?

• 1:24:21Joe Rogan?

  No, no, Sonny Liston wasn't bald.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  No?

• 1:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that isn't Sonny Liston. Well, the video's so blurry.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Alright, there you have it.

• 1:24:30Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's not Sonny Liston. Oh my god, I'm feeling such a dumbass. Um, find footage of Sonny Liston training. So he was, for, back in the day, he was the scariest heavyweight. Sonny Liston was the guy. He was...

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  When he in prison?

• 1:24:47Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  When he went to prison?

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he went to prison. Um, but it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson, it looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good. That good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought that he was gonna get killed. Because, you know, Ali was a very good fighter, he was up and coming, fast, really fast with his footwork and his movement, but everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. I recognize that guy, that actor. Is that the actor that was in, um, Magnum P.I.?

• 1:25:25Joe Rogan?

  I think it is.

• 1:25:27Speaker 05

  Actor's name is Roger E. Mosley. Yeah, Magnum P.I.

• 1:25:30Joe Rogan?

  Ah-ha!

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  Look at you.

• 1:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Look at me.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  You proud of yourself?

• 1:25:34Joe Rogan?

  A little bit. I'm feeling slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sonny Liston. So, find some footage of Sonny Liston training.

• 1:25:43Speaker 05

  Even on this, some of this I think has already got some AI footage in it, but...

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really? Well, there's footage of him hitting the, there's Sonny. And this footage of Sonny hitting the bag, and he would just put these holes in the bag. He had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy. And everyone was scared of him back then. You know, because he was this towering, hulking figure, doctor, he had massive hands. And, I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean, Sonny Liston was putting people away. I mean, he, look at the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands. And tremendous power.

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  But, you know, Ali figured out a way to just

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  It didn't even look like the punch that took him out was even that big a punch.

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  That's the second fight. That's the Lewiston, Maine fight. Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston, Maine. And that one is very tricky because in that, so he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His, his hands were so massive and his power was so extraordinary.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. You ever boxed?

• 1:26:44Joe Rogan?

  I did some boxing.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  I did it. I did it one. I did it one time.

• 1:26:48Joe Rogan?

  But I didn't do any like sport boxing.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Oh, kickboxing. Oh.

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  Get that. Bad enough you hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any part of that. But I boxed one time, one round.

• 1:26:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  And I said, that's it.

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:27:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Again, it's like cooking. It's like cooking duck. It's something you gotta learn how to do. You can't just jump in and think you're gonna be good at it.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it. And not only that, I don't wanna be hit.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Not fun.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, back in the day, in your, your day, the, the way guys would treat getting hit, if you got hit, there was no like, take a game off, get evaluated.

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:27:28Joe Rogan?

  Nothing.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  Concussion protocol.

• 1:27:30Joe Rogan?

  Hop right back in, son. Are you awake?

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  I played against the Minnesota, uh, no, the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game and I got knocked out. And I mean, knocked out. And I guess I came to in the fourth quarter. I went back in, played pretty good, too.

• 1:27:48Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  Not bad, lost the game, but yeah.

• 1:27:51Joe Rogan?

  So you got knocked out, woke up, and then they put you back in after you woke up?

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  Well, I, I, I, something like that. I went out in the first quarter, I think. I scored on touchdown, kept it, got knocked out, and came back in the fourth quarter.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Phew.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Different.

• 1:28:07Joe Rogan?

  Different.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Different. Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:08Joe Rogan?

  Nowadays, if a, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off?

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  They're going to a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL. So they, they'll tell you, get him out.

• 1:28:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  And they go into a tent and they get evaluated. More than likely, if they've been stunned, they're not going back in.

• 1:28:27Joe Rogan?

  And how much time do they make them take off before they let them play again?

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  But they have to get evaluated every week, so it could be. It could be. What is that?

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Little baby cigars. It's when you don't wanna finish a big one.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:28:42Joe Rogan?

  I like these sometimes. So, but when they do that and these guys are KO'd today, if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30-day rule?

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  No, it's not 30 days, but they do go, it's a week, it's, they go in, they keep getting evaluated, and they have to, you'll have, you'll have some guys-

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Jamie says, "There's no set timeline for discovery-"

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, for recovery, rather, players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms. Symptom-limited activity, prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise. So with the UFC, when a guy gets knocked out, generally Athletic Commissions put a hold on them, like it's a 90-day hold. And then some of them have like 60-day no contact, so they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  If you get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that, the best game I've played in high school, the best game I've played in high school, a guy by the name of Larry Brewer, I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Minden High School. I'm rolling to the right, and I think the ball hits my leg, and it hits the ground, and it's going "broom, broom", and I'm chasing it, and by the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it, I pick my head up, boom, out, out. I don't remember anything.

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  And then, I'm back in the game, and I mean, it's the best game I've played in high school. Joe, dead serious, best game I've played in high school. Maybe I wasn't worried, I don't know, but-

• 1:30:27Joe Rogan?

  That's what I was gonna ask you.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  It's crazy, you know, and I've been, I went in, listen, I went, I've been to a couple of clinics-

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  Just for, just for brain work, just to get, get them.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Checked out?

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, all the tests that they could possibly do, extensive test. Cause I was having trouble remembering, did I open the gate? Did I open the gate this morning?

• 1:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  I did, I opened the gate, I'm sure I opened the gate. And I'd push the button, and when the button's green, the gate is moving. Then it goes red, it stopped, I mean, it goes yellow, it stopped. Then I push a button, it goes red, it's holding, it's staying open. Six times, I remember six times, and I'm like, did I push this button? Then I remember, I remember, okay, this, something's wrong, someone got checked, yeah.

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  How long ago was this?

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  Ooh, years ago, years, thirty plus years.

• 1:31:18Joe Rogan?

  And did they do something for you?

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  Um, golly, did they? Uh, no, I don't think so, I don't think I, I don't think anything came. I remember testing, I got tested and found out I had ADD, which was, which was not a shocker, but was a shocker, cause I.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  I think everybody has that.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:41Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's any good at anything, has it?

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Creative people have ADD.

• 1:31:45Joe Rogan?

  Creative people and people that are like really into one thing.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:49Joe Rogan?

  Like, full on into it.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  Well, they said, well, you're focused in this, I said, yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused.

• 1:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  When I'm showing horses, I don't have a problem.

• 1:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  But if I'm taking geometry or going to.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  No interest.

• 1:32:03Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  No interest.

• 1:32:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that.

• 1:32:06Joe Rogan?

  If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  I mean, you gotta sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people.

• 1:32:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  And I know you gotta be interested in them.

• 1:32:15Joe Rogan?

  You have to be interested.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Yes, you gotta be interested.

• 1:32:17Joe Rogan?

  But I think there's people that don't have a problem being interested and they could study anything, and God bless them. I'm not one of those people, I have to be interested in what I'm talking about.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  You had Bradley Cooper on.

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  Love Bradley Cooper.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did, uh.

• 1:32:28Joe Rogan?

  He's awesome.

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  Was the, um, the brain guy, the atom bomb, um.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  Oppenheimer?

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Oppenheimer.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  He was in that movie?

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  Well, he directed it.

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  And he was in it. He was, he directed it, right? I think, no, he did. He did, right?

• 1:32:44Joe Rogan?

  He didn't direct it. What's that? That's right. It's Christopher Nolan directed.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  That directed, but Bradley was-

• 1:32:50Joe Rogan?

  Bradley's in Oppenheimer?

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 1:32:52Joe Rogan?

  What was his role? He's been in so many things, I forgot.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  Was he in Oppenheimer? Okay, oh, my bad.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  What are you thinking of?

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  The music guy. Yeah. He directed that and starred in it.

• 1:33:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Phenomenal.

• 1:33:06Joe Rogan?

  I was trying to agree with you. I was like, what was Bradley in Oppenheimer? I haven't seen Oppenheimer in a couple of years.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  I was just checking to see if you were paying attention.

• 1:33:16Joe Rogan?

  That dude who played Oppenheimer, uh, Cyril-

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  He won an Oscar. Did he win an Oscar? At least he was up for it, I know.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  Cyril Murphy, right? That guy is phenomenal in, what? Cillian Murphy. Cillian Murphy.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Well, anyway-

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  He's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders.

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  Anybody that can act has got my attention, because Cooper, Bradley's-

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, real acting, right?

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Real acting.

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Real acting. I've done some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty easy.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you were probably Joe, right?

• 1:33:44Joe Rogan?

  I played Joe, yeah.

• 1:33:45Speaker 01

  And I'm Terry Bradshaw, and I've done like five movies. And he was like, oh, there you go. No, no, I'm no actor.

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

  But, um, like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis type acting? Whoa, that's him? That's crazy.

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  That's Bradley.

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  My god, the fucking makeup they do today is insane.

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  He was amazing in that movie.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy that can make it look that realistic? That is nuts. Leonard Bernstein.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  Hell, there you go.

• 1:34:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  Good, did you see the movie?

• 1:34:13Joe Rogan?

  That is amazing.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  Did you see it?

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  I did not.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  Oh. When you had him on here, did you tell him you saw it?

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  I did not. I would have probably.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  I'd be like, oh, yeah, I saw it.

• 1:34:24Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  It's like, I had a guy, we went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years. I didn't know his name. And this buddy of mine, "Ah, how you doing, man? Get over here." And I'm like, he knows this guy? And they're going, "Oh, give me, give me, hey, give me a hug, you know, you son of a gun." And for why he did this, I'll never know. He goes- What's my name? What's my name? He said that to him. What's my name? And I'm over there and I'm like, oh my God, this is hilarious.

• 1:34:58Joe Rogan?

  That is hilarious.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  He didn't have a clue. He didn't have a clue.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, he probably forgot if he left the gate open too.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  May have.

• 1:35:05Joe Rogan?

  I mean, give the guy a break.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  May have.

• 1:35:07Joe Rogan?

  Give the guy a break.

• 1:35:08Speaker 01

  But still.

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  He's had a few head dings.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  You know what I do all the time and I'll tell people this?

• 1:35:12Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  Look, I don't, what's your name again? Joe? Joe? Hey, I, I may ask you again.

• 1:35:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  What your name is? And then I may ask you again. But I'm gonna get your name right. I don't want to sit here and, and not know.

• 1:35:31Joe Rogan?

  People get mad at that. That, I don't think people should get, yeah, I don't think they should get mad at that.

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  Cause here's what I'm telling you.

• 1:35:36Joe Rogan?

  It's just a thing that happens to people and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people.

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  Ugh.

• 1:35:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you know, do you know what Dunbar's number is?

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:35:43Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:06Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Where are you getting all this?

• 1:37:32Joe Rogan?

  I just remember things.

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  Somebody tell you this?

• 1:37:34Joe Rogan?

  Somebody, oh definitely, I didn't study it. This is Dunbar's number. So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Oh, which one are you? Whoa, whoa, whoa, where are you?

• 1:37:46Joe Rogan?

  Where you mean?

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  Where are you in the, in five?

• 1:37:49Joe Rogan?

  You are zero, you're patient zero, and five are the people that are very close to you. So that's your support people. And then 15 are your sympathy group. They're not quite as close as like the closest people to you, but they're pretty close. And then there's a close network of 50 people. Then you have a personal network of 150 people. You have 500 acquaintances and then 1500 people that are recognizable.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  You know what's funny? I'll make this bad habit. We all have bad habits. My bad habit is, oh, he's a friend of mine. I know Henry Winkler. I know Henry Winkler.

• 1:38:21Joe Rogan?

  I know Henry Winkler too. I did a movie with him once. He's a great guy. Sweetheart.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  And my, my wife says, and I'll say, I have his number. I have his number in my phone. And I do have Henry's number, but I'll say, well, so, oh, because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend.

• 1:38:42Joe Rogan?

  I do the same thing.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's just, my wife will say, uh, when did you talk to him last? Well, I haven't.

• 1:38:51Joe Rogan?

  These people I haven't talked to for years and years and years. They're still my friends.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like a lot of.

• 1:38:56Joe Rogan?

  I'm a friendly guy.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like a lot of people. I do. But in my circle, we all surround ourselves, our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with and we share common values, common likes, whether it's horses, cattle. My whole world is horses and cattle, horses and cattle. The people that booked me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine. Howie, dear friend, Kirk Menefee, dear friend, dear friend, dear friend. I work with him, I love being around him, tell him I love. I have a, I have a habit of telling you, I love you, Joe, I love you, man.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  I love you too, Terry.

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  I love you, man. And my wife says-

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  I do the same thing.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, okay, we're, see, do you really love them?

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  I do.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  Well, it means, it, no, what it means is, I like you more than I just like you, just-

• 1:39:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love them.

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  I'm elevating you a little bit here. And my, my wife is so smart, she's just like, you really got their number? I say, yeah, I got their number. And they're friends of yours? Yeah, they're friends, they're friends of mine. When's the last time you talked to them? Well, I hadn't talked to them in a few years.

• 1:39:59Joe Rogan?

  Hey, but if you're friends with a lot of people- Sometimes you can't be communicating with everybody all the time. There's friends that I'm, I'm friends with, if I see them, I'm gonna hug them, but I haven't talked to them in years.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  You ever, you ever, you ever told someone this? You ever told someone this? Hey, you know what? Before you became really famous, we used to be really close and now we're not. You ever said that?

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  You ever, okay, I have.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  So, so before, when they're famous or you're famous?

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  I'm, Joe, I've been famous a long time.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Long time.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  Long time.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Long time.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  Long time. But I, I've actually, I, my problem is, if it's a problem, is when I like somebody, I really like them.

• 1:40:45Joe Rogan?

  That's a good problem.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  I like being with them.

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  And, and then you don't ever hear from them, but if you text them, they fire right back. And after a while, I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I, and I take it personal.

• 1:41:00Joe Rogan?

  Do you really?

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive about stuff like that. I mean, if you say, if we swap numbers today before I leave, and I don't, and I'm gonna text you and say, hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's the deer, how's the elk hunting? How you doing? Fine, and we get along great? And then, two or three months, go, I hadn't heard from Joe. Hey, Joe, how you doing, man? It's good to see you. I mean, how you doing?

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you get upset if you're the one always initiating?

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  I don't want always initiate.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  I understand.

• 1:41:29Speaker 01

  I want someone else to feel the same way towards me. And that's insecurity. And I just finished this book, and the whole thing is, I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're a very friendly guy.

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  I am.

• 1:41:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  I wish I weren't.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  I don't know why. I like being frie- Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story?

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  All right, here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off the pain, because that's, you gotta block the pain. And so, you go on a 90-day trial and error. So I'm doing, I do the steroids, and I'm eating my ass. I'm, hey, you, boy, I'm eating everything. I can't sleep, and I'm eating. I'm doing a good job of eating, and I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like 60 pounds.

• 1:42:27Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  Huge. Go to Hawaii. My wife and I are in Kmart. Nice Kmart. It's closed now, but it's really a nice Kmart. So we're in there, and we're getting stuff for the house and stuff. And we get, we're going down the aisles, and people are like, hey, Terry, how you doing? You know, I'm doing, I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm, I'm, I'm on steroids. I put on quite a bit of weight, as you probably can see. You know, I'm a little embarrassed, but yeah, it's gonna get it balanced out. Oh, yeah, sorry to hear about that. Hey, Terry, how you doing? Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm taking, you know, I'm on steroids. I've got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to take steroids and get your balance of the pain. And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  Three or four times in Kmart.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  So we walk out, get in the car, my wife, my wife who loves me to death says, honey, honey, honey, listen. When people say, how you doing Terry? They don't, they don't want to hear about steroids.

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  They just want to hear, hey, how you doing?

• 1:43:33Speaker 01

  They don't care. They recognize you and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. I'm like, am I real, am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby, you're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe. I'm like, oh, oh my God, I can't believe it. We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new Target, massive Target, awesome Target. You know? Yeah. Now you don't shop at these places, but I do.

• 1:44:01Joe Rogan?

  I shop at Target.

• 1:44:02Speaker 01

  Do you?

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  Love, I love Target. You go to Walmart?

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  I've been to Walmart.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  Been to Walmart.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  It's been a couple of years.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  Well, I live in San Joe, Texas, in Walmart. We get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart. It's nice. Anyway, so we go to Target and I got my wife's daughter told me, so we go to Target. I'm pushing the buggy and we're going down the aisle. Hey, Terry, how you doing? How am I doing? I said, man, you're not gonna believe this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis. And I've been taking steroids and I'm, I'm really put on a lot of weight and I'm really puffy. Now, I stand up, Joe, no kidding, and I lean down and I pull my, my pants leg up where

• 1:44:51Speaker 01

  my sock is and I push my sock down and you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding?

• 1:44:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:59Speaker 01

  And when I put my hand down and I see that ring, I start laughing. I can't help myself. I just started laughing. You big idiot. They don't give a shit if you've got rheumatoid steroids. Oh, I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing. Caught me, caught me.

• 1:45:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're just a genuine guy. You're just being genuine.

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, what are you gonna do?

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  There's nothing wrong with that.

• 1:45:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  Nothing wrong with that.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  That's way better.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  But sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with me.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  I'm not apologizing.

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  I understand what you're saying.

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:34Joe Rogan?

  But it's way better to be super friendly than the opposite.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  Is your wife super friendly?

• 1:45:39Joe Rogan?

  She's friendly. Yeah.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  She's friendly?

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  Is she friendly as you?

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  Uh, yeah, she's pretty friendly. Yeah.

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  Can you go anywhere in Austin and?

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, you talk to a lot of people. You gotta talk to people, but most people are really nice.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  Alright, that's what I have to say.

• 1:45:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say hi.

• 1:45:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, hey, how you doing?

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Shake your hand.

• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Give you some knuckles.

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, to take a selfie?

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, take a selfie?

• 1:46:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:02Speaker 01

  I like selfies.

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  I don't see what the problem is.

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  There's no problem. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a friendly guy.

• 1:46:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  And that, but that Dunbar's number is what's going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's really all it is. I mean, you think about, you're Terry Bradshaw. How many people have you met in your life? You've probably met a million people. Like, literally a million people.

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  But if you were, if you were in bad shape right now,

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  you got people you'd call, you got a handful you could call?

• 1:46:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  Really care about you?

• 1:46:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's how everybody is. Like, a handful. You have a handful that you really care about.

• 1:46:37Speaker 01

  And you know what?

• 1:46:40Speaker 01

  To take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort.

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  It does.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  And if you're fifteen or twenty, you don't have any time, man. You'll wear yourself out. I think we all, we start here and we...

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yeah, well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  Man, Lotta, you kidding?

• 1:47:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:01Speaker 01

  That is, have you ever, have you ever just thrown all your trust and love into your, your buddy? And then that sucker, fifteen or sixteen, whatever, and just boom?

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Some of them, yeah.

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  And you go, whoa.

• 1:47:16Joe Rogan?

  It's been a long time since I've had that happen, but there's some people that just don't make it along the way.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  And then, and then I'm the first one to say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I didn't, I didn't mean that, I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I, I'm sorry, look, I told you. I'm sorry, I had no, then they do it again.

• 1:47:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  Look.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:38Speaker 01

  I said, I'm sorry. And then, hang up, that's it.

• 1:47:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, some people just don't wanna be happy. And some, they don't. And they, they, they actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute, or some, someone wronged them, or something's disrespectful, or something.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:05Joe Rogan?

  It's just distractions.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Most of it is distractions, it's a personality flaw.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  This just happened yesterday.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  Did you?

• 1:48:11Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna mention their name, cuz they're...

• 1:48:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  So, I tell this person. They had a stallion of mine, a young two-year-old. And they were showing it and they did a great job. I brought the horse home. Horse wasn't, horse wasn't gonna be good enough to go to the world show, which is the Super Bowl. But he needed another year of growing, training. So I brought him home. Crazy about these people, been with them years, I mean, he had... The trainer was my first trainer ever, and that's been forty-something years ago. Anyway. So I'm over there, they, they came to church, I got them to come to church. I was singing in church last two weeks ago, and I, they came. I asked them, "Come, I'm singing in church." And they said, "Okay, great." So they came, hear me sing.

• 1:48:58Speaker 01

  They loved our preacher, and they said, "We're gonna come back." Well, they came back yesterday. All right? They came back yes. We have a meet and greet during the service. I got up, and went, "Oh, man, it's great to see you." And, not even thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job. I said, "Guess who came by the house the other day and saw the..." Barn name for the stud is Bradley. And saw Bradley, fell in love with him. And I, I sent him home with him, he's, he's gonna show him. Oh, bub, it wasn't pretty. Got mad, got real in church, got mad, got upset. And I just cold chills went over and I went, I got to thinking, what did I do?

• 1:49:41Speaker 01

  What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking, I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer. And they got this horse looking as good as he could. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer and I'm telling them, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you. It hurt, it hurt them. And it was obvious that they were very, one of them was really upset with me in church. And so church preacher's up getting ready to start and I had to go get back in my seat. And then when I told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man, I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with someone other trainer. And I was like, God, I would have never done that. I would have never done that.

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  Had I been thinking, I wouldn't have said a word about that, not a word. But since they had had the horse, I figured that was no big deal, right?

• 1:50:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:33Speaker 01

  My horse, I do with it what I want. Throughout the service, which is a great, great service, I was picking up on what the preacher was saying. I found myself during that service, you ready for this? Praying that God would help me go make things right with them. Because it, I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much. So when the service was over and they were going, I went and grabbed, said, I am so sorry. I, I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking, I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I just don't, you know, you're, and I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and, and make that right because it just killed me.

• 1:51:17Joe Rogan?

  That means you're a good guy. That's great.

• 1:51:19Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 1:51:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, you're a great guy. That's a great thing to do because you care. If you didn't care, if you were like, ah, screw them, what's wrong with them?

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  Ruined my service.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  That's because you're a good guy.

• 1:51:29Speaker 01

  And I drive a long way to go to church.

• 1:51:31Joe Rogan?

  That's because you're a good guy. That's because you're a good guy. I really believe that. You wanted them to feel better and, you know, and I bet you did make it right.

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  And I didn't do it.

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  You didn't do it on purpose? Of course, of course. Well, sometimes people don't think. You know, I mean, some people.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  You ever done that? Have you ever gone to someone and said, hey? I went to a guy and told him a hundred thousand times how sorry I was, and I want you to know, he was my best friend at the time, and we have not spoken since. That's now.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, some people are not that kind.

• 1:52:02Speaker 01

  That's not on me.

• 1:52:03Joe Rogan?

  No, that's on him.

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  That's on him.

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  Some people are not charitable, and they don't want to forgive people. They like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people, and generally, those people, their life is a mess. There's generally not a balanced person.

• 1:52:16Speaker 01

  This guy's life's not a mess, but I just.

• 1:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, why is it so touchy?

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  Look, say you say something here today, and it really upsets me. You're probably gonna know it now that we've been getting, and you're probably saying, hey, are you okay with this? And I'm gonna tell you, you know, no, I'm not. I'm not okay with that.

• 1:52:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, then I would apologize.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  That's what I'm, that's my point is, I believe you would.

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  If you said something that pissed me off, I would, I think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately, too.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  But you've already said, I'm a good guy. I'm not gonna do that.

• 1:52:46Joe Rogan?

  They don't mean, people don't mean to hurt people's feelings for the most part.

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  Some do. Some do.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place, and you probably wouldn't be hanging out with them.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  But when, when you're close to someone, you love someone, you gotta have some forgiveness. You gotta realize that people are human, and humans make mistakes.

• 1:53:05Speaker 01

  For as long as I have been with this one person. I have another person.

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  What was the issue?

• 1:53:10Speaker 01

  Issue was I made fun of him on the golf course. He's.

• 1:53:13Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I'm, I suck.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad. No, I love to play, and I love to play with my friends and have a simple little five-dollar bet, and it's not much.

• 1:53:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  But I love to say, oh, nice shot. You know?

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  It's fun.

• 1:53:33Speaker 01

  Me. Me. I know I'm an asshole.

• 1:53:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:36Speaker 01

  You know, you know the bad side of you, right?

• 1:53:38Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:38Speaker 01

  You know that you're bad. I know mine. I know mine.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  I, my wife calls it Roy.

• 1:53:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you have a different guy inside of you?

• 1:53:46Speaker 01

  What is that movie? Um.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  True grit?

• 1:53:49Speaker 01

  Primal fear.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:53:55Speaker 01

  It's, it's, you know, he looks at me at the end, you go, had me fooled. You go, holy cow. So I took on the name Roy. So when, when I'm, when I'm going into a dark area.

• 1:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Edward Norton's character?

• 1:54:06Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. I think it was Roy.

• 1:54:09Joe Rogan?

  That movie was great.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  That turn at the end, be like, you know.

• 1:54:12Speaker 01

  Then have you fooled?

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:13Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm like, I was like, what?

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  I know. At the end of that movie, I'm like, whoa.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's another very smart guy. Edward Norton, I had him in on the podcast.

• 1:54:25Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, very interesting guy.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I find actors in general very.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, the really good ones.

• 1:54:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they are, Cooper, I love. McConaughey, I've done a movie, I love.

• 1:54:38Joe Rogan?

  He's great.

• 1:54:39Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:54:40Joe Rogan?

  Great guy, too.

• 1:54:41Speaker 01

  Who else do I, George Foreman?

• 1:54:43Joe Rogan?

  Also very smart.

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, very smart. Uh, George Foreman, we did a show together called, um, Better Late Than Never. Never got to know him in two years. Never got to know him in two years.

• 1:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  Never got to know him in two years.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  How come?

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  He totally didn't associate with any of us. We have lunch, he'd sit over here with his son. Had dinner, he'd sit over here with his son. I, I, I, it could be, I, I would only guess that he's shy. He didn't like the fact that we drank.

• 1:55:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:55:09Speaker 01

  He didn't like the language that was used, cause he's a preacher.

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  And I asked him one time, I said, George, how big's your congregation? He said, a hundred and twenty. I said, really? How long you been doing this? And I think he said something, maybe twenty years or something. I said, cause I've been taught as a Baptist that, as a preacher, your congregation grows, right?

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:55:27Speaker 01

  Right, your congregation grows. And, um, I said, so, how many? A hundred and twenty. I said, oh wow, it's small. I said, you, you build and you grow? And he said, no, a hundred and twenty's enough. And I went, a hundred and twenty's enough? I said, so George,

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  when do you start preparing your sermon? Start on Tuesday like most preachers? No. Oh, you know, so when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday? No.

• 1:55:57Speaker 01

  So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says, "When I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say."

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:56:05Speaker 01

  Okay. You're gonna argue with George Foreman, I'm not. But that looks like, alright, brother.

• 1:56:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not arguing.

• 1:56:15Speaker 01

  But yeah, he was, I wanted to get to know him. He was friendly, but he was just...

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  He was blocked, yeah.

• 1:56:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time.

• 1:56:26Speaker 01

  A long time.

• 1:56:26Joe Rogan?

  And he's probably figured out how to block people out. And also, he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years. And, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him, you know?

• 1:56:38Speaker 01

  He knew better. When he lost the Thrilla in Manila, he knew better.

• 1:56:43Joe Rogan?

  It was, uh, Rumble in the Jungle.

• 1:56:44Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, well, they...

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was in, uh, Zaire.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  They both rhyme.

• 1:56:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right?

• 1:56:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, wow, yeah.

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  He knew how to promote a fight.

• 1:56:53Speaker 01

  He knew better. He told me that the hit that I took was nothing. But he said I was so tired.

• 1:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:06Speaker 01

  And he, and I went, "You're kidding." And he said, "Yeah," he said, "The hit, the hit was nothing, nothing." But he went down, he just, "Thank God I'm down, I can get some air and get some breath."

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  He was definitely exhausted.

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:57:18Joe Rogan?

  That was a strategy.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  He knew what was going on. He, but he thought with his power, he'd break a rib or something, you know?

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, he had so much power.

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch. I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. He, he hit so hard, yeah, George was...

• 1:57:38Speaker 01

  How can you be that quick? I mean, that big?

• 1:57:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that's his job.

• 1:57:44Speaker 01

  Impressive, man.

• 1:57:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, he was very impressive. I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. That was another fight where Ali was expected to lose, just like the Sonny Liston fight.

• 1:57:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:53Joe Rogan?

  And it was such an upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out.

• 1:58:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:58:07Joe Rogan?

  Because Ali was his hero. And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time. So they flew him over there to cover that fight.

• 1:58:17Speaker 01

  You threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball. Cause I'm, I'm going, Hunter, okay, yeah, okay. Who's Hunter? I had no idea who that guy was.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is?

• 1:58:30Speaker 01

  Why would I know him?

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  You don't, you never heard of him? The gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson?

• 1:58:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:58:35Joe Rogan?

  Very famous journalist.

• 1:58:36Speaker 01

  Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No. The Angus Weekly? No. No.

• 1:58:42Joe Rogan?

  He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You never heard of that book?

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:58:46Joe Rogan?

  The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? Where he played Hunter Thompson? He did write that about horses. The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved. That's one of his best works.

• 1:58:55Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  It's a fantastic story.

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  Hey, listen, when I first-

• 1:58:57Joe Rogan?

  That's Hunter Thompson. He was a maniac.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, ex-wife, and I went to a big cattle sale. Such as, to your point about me saying, I don't know who he is. Now, I just played it off, alright? Cause I didn't want to embarrass myself. But then I got to thinking, I don't know who this guy is. Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care. I, you know.

• 1:59:18Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  So, I go to this cattle sale. This auctioneer and I, this auctioneer's out there and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw. So, I got my ex-wife there, the auctioneer, and a couple of his ring stewards, you know? And we're sitting there talking. So, I asked a simple question. So, tell me, Mr. Auctioneer, what do you make the most money on? In, in auctioning off stuff? He goes, Terry, we, we're really hitting a home run right now with limousines. Limousines? Now, see, my brain, I'm at a cow auction.

• 1:59:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:49Speaker 01

  And he's a cow auctioneer.

• 1:59:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:52Speaker 01

  He's not supposed to sell cars.

• 1:59:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:55Speaker 01

  Cars. When you think cars, limousines.

• 1:59:57Joe Rogan?

  That's what I would've thought.

• 1:59:58Speaker 01

  That's what I'm sorry. I was about, I was about to say, say to him, oh, my God, you mean to tell me you sell cars? And my ex, ex-wife goes, you mean to tell me that you sell cars? And I'm, and he goes, oh, sweetie, ah! And I'm like, ah! This is the funniest shit here, boy!

• 2:00:19Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:00:20Speaker 01

  My wife does, what a dumbass.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  And he goes, no, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle.

• 2:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a limousine cattle.

• 2:00:29Speaker 01

  There's a limousine right there. You know what I like about this show? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen.

• 2:00:37Joe Rogan?

  That's Jamie.

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  Jamie, you're amazing, man.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 2:00:40Speaker 01

  When he's sober, he is numb, numb better. Serious.

• 2:00:43Joe Rogan?

  When he's sober?

• 2:00:43Speaker 01

  When he's sober.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  You should see him when he's drunk.

• 2:00:45Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Even better.

• 2:00:47Speaker 01

  But anyway, I thought, you know, I could, I should write a book about some of these stuff, but...

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  You should.

• 2:00:52Speaker 01

  I should.

• 2:00:53Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 2:00:55Speaker 01

  I don't know. Think I got enough time?

• 2:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone, have them tell, tell all these stories.

• 2:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, you think nobody'd care about these stories?

• 2:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Sure they would. Absolutely. Edit them up, do a good job with the editing.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  Should I start a podcast?

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:10Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 2:01:11Joe Rogan?

  Terry Bradshaw Experience?

• 2:01:12Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so. No. You know, you know what, Joe, listen. You started this 15 years ago or something?

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Something like that, yeah.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  Do you have any idea it would be like this?

• 2:01:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:01:22Speaker 01

  No. So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on?

• 2:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, you would only do it if you liked doing it.

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  I, I would not like doing it.

• 2:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, then don't do it.

• 2:01:32Speaker 01

  I don't want to. Look, I got enough. I got enough on my plate right now.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you.

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  Besides that, who's going to come on my show?

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people would come on the Terry Bradshaw Show.

• 2:01:43Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  I came on your show when you had a TV show.

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:47Speaker 01

  What show was that?

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Remember you had a TV show?

• 2:01:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was on it. I was a guest.

• 2:01:51Speaker 01

  When I had the Fox show, the...

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Whatever that talk show thing you did was.

• 2:01:56Speaker 01

  Get out.

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:57Speaker 01

  You were one of my star guests?

• 2:01:59Joe Rogan?

  I was a guest when I was on News Radio. That was a sitcom. Yeah.

• 2:02:04Speaker 01

  Oh, well.

• 2:02:05Joe Rogan?

  I believe it was News Radio. It was a long time ago, too.

• 2:02:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I remember.

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  No, you don't. No, you don't.

• 2:02:11Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, Joe. Yeah, you were great, by the way. No, I loved you, man. You were great.

• 2:02:16Joe Rogan?

  We talked about limousine cattle.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Hunter Thompson.

• 2:02:19Speaker 01

  What are you drinking? Oh, you're drinking coffee now. Smart.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a fun show. I know, I don't remember you.

• 2:02:27Joe Rogan?

  But you could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to, but you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast.

• 2:02:34Speaker 01

  I did a radio show once.

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  How was that?

• 2:02:37Speaker 01

  It was good. It's good, but it was just hard to get people.

• 2:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't make sense to me.

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  I, well...

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Where were you doing it out of?

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  LA.

• 2:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so many people in LA. How is that hard to get people?

• 2:02:49Speaker 01

  When I had my daytime show in LA, I couldn't get anybody.

• 2:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:02:53Speaker 01

  I got, um, Whoopi Goldberg one time. What are you laughing for?

• 2:02:58Joe Rogan?

  How was she? Was she fun?

• 2:03:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was a blast. She, she was. She was the biggest thing we ever had on this show.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  She's probably fun when she's on The View.

• 2:03:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  All those hands get together.

• 2:03:15Joe Rogan?

  I watched that show, I'm like, ladies, go outside, hug a tree.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  I had Whoopi, you know, I really, I had Charlton Heston. Now you're talking.

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  How was he?

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  Oh, fabulous.

• 2:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 2:03:28Speaker 01

  I, I couldn't, the show could, I could have done three hours. I was just fascinated, he was so nice. You know, is there anything worse, Joe? Than thinking you, and that's my understanding, you won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  No, if I'm not interested in talking to them.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm, I'm very honored to be here today. But, can you ima, can you imagine, can you imagine? Having people on that are just jerks?

• 2:03:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:00Speaker 01

  And, or interviewing them, and it's like, oh, God. Where can I go here to get something out of this interview? You know, it's just, God. Uh, it's just, but, yeah, but Charlton Heston. I had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous, I gave him the whole, I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour, just me and him, it was, it's kind of like this. He was amazing, yeah.

• 2:04:24Joe Rogan?

  He was like one of the first big actors that was like publicly conservative. Remember, he was like-

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  Well, he did the NRA, they caught hell for that.

• 2:04:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Was he the head of the NRA at one point in time?

• 2:04:34Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  It was a part of the NRA?

• 2:04:36Speaker 01

  Part of it, I think he was-

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Did something with the NRA, yeah.

• 2:04:39Speaker 01

  But he was, yeah, he was huge.

• 2:04:41Joe Rogan?

  He famously was like, you can have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it.

• 2:04:47Speaker 01

  Say, I'm, yeah, I'm, my brother has, I don't have many guns. I said, what are you gonna do with all those guns, man, you gotta have guns. I said, Gary, he's got those, those rifles that shoot 5,000 rounds in 10 seconds? The NRA, what are those things called?

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  AR-15?

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's got five or six, I was, what are you doing with all those guns? Yeah, you never know, we're gonna need a gun.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people like that in this country.

• 2:05:13Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, they are.

• 2:05:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  And I got a, I got a, um, what did I got? I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all, every, everybody gives me guns, I don't shoot guns.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  You don't shoot guns at all?

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  No, my wife only let me put a gun by the bed, I've been, I've been- Um, burglarized six times.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Have you really?

• 2:05:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Where do you live?

• 2:05:35Speaker 01

  Shot at with a shotgun. This is how I can tell you that when you get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Flames and I'm running, I'm running in the backyard ju- to get in my car. This guy goes around the backside.

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Where was this?

• 2:05:53Speaker 01

  Every and and BBs. And I get in the, in the old uh GTO nineteen seventy GTO. Yellow and black.

• 2:06:06Speaker 01

  And I got in, but I'm used to pushing the button or pull in reverse, you go down, right?

• 2:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:06:13Speaker 01

  Pull it down. I turn around. I hit the brake. I go forward riding through the wall. Realized you gotta go one click.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:06:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was not good, not good. But my wife won't let me keep anything.

• 2:06:25Joe Rogan?

  So where, where did you get burglarized six times?

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  Ruston.

• 2:06:29Joe Rogan?

  Ruston?

• 2:06:29Speaker 01

  Louisiana, Mansfield, Louisiana, on my ranches, yeah.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  On your ranches?

• 2:06:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:35Joe Rogan?

  So they came onto the ranch?

• 2:06:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:36Joe Rogan?

  How big was the ranch?

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  Uh, four hundred acres at the time.

• 2:06:39Joe Rogan?

  So they had to do some driving to get to the house?

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  And they had to go through a, the gate, the gate, the gate I locked. So how did they get in? And you ever, let me tell you something. You are laying in bed at night and it's one AM in the morning. And you feel the presence of somebody else in your house. Alright, and a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this. You, I, I, I can't even begin to tell you. You can't breathe and you don't, and I'm laying down like this and I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're too young to know this. Remember the, well, the prince's phone? You know what the prince's phone is?

• 2:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Prince's phone?

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  You know, everything we've been talking about today. You've been throwing all kinds of shit up here and you don't know what a prince's phone. Do you know what?

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Are you sa- are you saying prince phone?

• 2:07:31Speaker 01

  Princess.

• 2:07:32Joe Rogan?

  Princess.

• 2:07:33Speaker 01

  Princess.

• 2:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Phone.

• 2:07:34Speaker 01

  It's a phone. It was one of the first push button phones. You didn't have to.

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  It's a princess. So I took my. Look at you.

• 2:07:46Joe Rogan?

  That's a princess phone.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  There you go. Thank you so much.

• 2:07:50Joe Rogan?

  Did you know what that is, Jamie?

• 2:07:51Speaker 01

  No. Look, look, I'm, look, Joe, I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand and I slide it over to my princess phone. I take the receiver off and I take my fingers and I go across the dolls and I dial, and I'm my uncle, who lives 200 yards away. I get the phone.

• 2:08:12Joe Rogan?

  Pull up to the microphone so people can hear you.

• 2:08:14Speaker 01

  I pull, I pull up, I pull the phone up. I'm laying back trying so he can't see me or anything. And I said, Bobby, I got a burglar. He's at my, he's at my bedroom window. He says, all right, I'm on my way. So I take the phone down and he goes, and you can see the guy hears my, hears my uncle coming and this guy takes off and he chases him down through the pasture and he loses him out through the,

• 2:08:41Speaker 01

  I had another guy go through my house tearing up my kitchen.

• 2:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Same place?

• 2:08:44Speaker 01

  No, different place.

• 2:08:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:08:46Speaker 01

  In college, tearing up my, tearing up my dishes in my kitchen.

• 2:08:52Joe Rogan?

  He was looking through the dishes?

• 2:08:54Speaker 01

  He making noise. I, only thing I could figure was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in the Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town. Come to find out, this guy was living in the attic over the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer, up in the office. So only thing I could figure shot him right, but I, he ran me off.

• 2:09:17Joe Rogan?

  Or he might have just been drugged up.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  I'm out of there. I don't know what he was. I wouldn't have been around to find out.

• 2:09:22Joe Rogan?

  But you, so you've had.

• 2:09:23Speaker 01

  I've come home, I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house, taking off.

• 2:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Same house?

• 2:09:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Six, six of these I had.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  Geez.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  Ever been shot at?

• 2:09:36Joe Rogan?

  So you were running away from these guys.

• 2:09:38Speaker 01

  What's his name again? I forgot.

• 2:09:39Joe Rogan?

  Jamie. You can call him Young Jamie.

• 2:09:41Speaker 01

  Jamie, one more time, son. I'm gonna ask you what your name is. Okay? All right, one more. I told you three times, right? All right, I got you down now.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  So the same place, why'd you keep getting broken into, this one place?

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. Another guy came down. He stole, he stole all my stuff out of my garage, all the, all the, um, um, the, um, chainsaw. He got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wiped me out.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  No security?

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:10:18Joe Rogan?

  No security system, nothing?

• 2:10:19Speaker 01

  No. I got dogs now. And now I have had, since Tammy and I, 22 years now, and I got a guard dog. But I will, I will not leave my wife at home. My wife, my wife and I in 22 years have been apart two days. I will not leave without my wife.

• 2:10:39Joe Rogan?

  What kind of guard dog did you get?

• 2:10:40Speaker 01

  German Shepherd. I got him from Wayne Samanovich in South Carolina.

• 2:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you got a trained dog?

• 2:10:44Speaker 01

  I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then I bought him, I got a female this year, her name is, um, we named her after the Viking character Freya.

• 2:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  Freya, the queen. Freya. So I'm gonna breed those, cause I'm tired of spending $20,000 for it. So I'm gonna raise my guard dog.

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:11:04Speaker 01

  Nice. And you know what's great about them? They're guard dogs. You don't play with them.

• 2:11:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:10Speaker 01

  You don't play with, you don't rough them, you don't grab them, you don't tackle them, you don't, no. Those, they, they don't mess around.

• 2:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:17Speaker 01

  They don't mess around. They're serious.

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They're serious. They're soldiers.

• 2:11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. You got a dog?

• 2:11:23Joe Rogan?

  Sucks, yeah.

• 2:11:24Speaker 01

  What do you got?

• 2:11:24Joe Rogan?

  I have a golden retriever.

• 2:11:26Speaker 01

  I love them.

• 2:11:27Joe Rogan?

  They're great, but he ain't guarding shit.

• 2:11:29Speaker 01

  No, I know. He'll probably, "Hey y'all, come on in! There's ice cream up there. Y'all open it, we'll share it."

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  He'll let everybody in. And I have another dog.

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  I've got eight dachshunds.

• 2:11:38Joe Rogan?

  I have another dog that's a King Charles Cavalier. You know what those are? The little tiny dogs? Oh my god, he's so adorable. He jumps in the pool and he, he's just started, he's a year old. And he's started swimming over the last couple of months. And he gets so excited that he whines, like you, you, you, you think he's in pain or something.

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  He's talking, he's talking, he's talking to you.

• 2:12:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water.

• 2:12:02Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:12:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he loves it.

• 2:12:04Speaker 01

  Two of my dachshunds talk constantly.

• 2:12:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:12:07Speaker 01

  Oh, and, and this morning, I'm a little tired today, cause for some reason, these two, these two, they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and Baby Girl. One's a black miniature dachshund, the other one is a Australian Shepherd looking, black and tan, you know, spotty. And, oh, they are precious. But Baby Girl likes to get on my chin. When she's gotta go outside, she gets on my chest, puts her chin right under my mouth. And I'll wake up and I know exactly what's up and I'll sit there and I go.

• 2:12:44Speaker 01

  What time is it? And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come on.

• 2:12:53Speaker 01

  Oh my God, it's 11 o'clock. You gotta be kidding me. So I'll take him outside and they'll go potty. This is good. Once normally, a lot of times never, but once max. Last night, three times.

• 2:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Three times?

• 2:13:06Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, 1:30, 1:30.

• 2:13:10Speaker 01

  Oh, what? You gotta pee again? You gotta be kidding me. Uh, so I slide to the right, down off the bed, these two come. We go outside. I'm so sleepy. I sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole. And I'm like this. Their heads are in the doorway and they're looking at me like.

• 2:13:34Speaker 01

  What are we doing? I'm like. You gotta pee, right?

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  No, no, not really, no. So I go back at 3:30. Here I go again and then they went to the bathroom. But this is, you know.

• 2:13:48Joe Rogan?

  So sometimes they just wanna wake you up?

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  They just, yeah. I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay?

• 2:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 2:13:54Speaker 01

  I, I, I got nine, 10, 10 dogs now.

• 2:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you really?

• 2:13:57Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I got a.

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  So 10 dogs and two serious guard dogs?

• 2:14:01Speaker 01

  Two badass dogs.

• 2:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so those, those are not pets.

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  Well, the one guard dog is badass, the other one's gonna be badass. Yeah. And you know what, when you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but I. What are you doing? What is that?

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Um, this is Ultra. It's a nootropic. Do you know what that is?

• 2:14:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:14:17Joe Rogan?

  Essentially, brain vitamins.

• 2:14:20Speaker 01

  Because you don't swallow it?

• 2:14:22Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's a pouch. You, like a nicotine pouch, same kinda thing?

• 2:14:26Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like you got a smoking addiction.

• 2:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's not.

• 2:14:29Speaker 01

  You got a nicotine addiction, is that what you're saying?

• 2:14:31Joe Rogan?

  This is not nicotine.

• 2:14:32Speaker 01

  What is it? You said nicotine.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  No, it's nootropics.

• 2:14:35Speaker 01

  Nootrop, is that one of those things that you're into now?

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  It's vitamins. It's like brain vitamins.

• 2:14:38Speaker 01

  Is it, is it like ivermectin?

• 2:14:40Joe Rogan?

  No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients.

• 2:14:45Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 2:14:46Joe Rogan?

  It sucks that you have to have.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

• 2:14:47Joe Rogan?

  Listen, we, we're not friends anymore.

• 2:14:49Speaker 01

  Yes, we are.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm upset with you now and I'm never gonna forgive you.

• 2:14:51Speaker 01

  You'll probably have me back on again.

• 2:14:53Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that hilarious though that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't wanna be your friend forever? Because of that.

• 2:15:00Speaker 01

  I was shocked.

• 2:15:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you got off light.

• 2:15:02Speaker 01

  And I had another friend.

• 2:15:04Joe Rogan?

  You got off light.

• 2:15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had another friend.

• 2:15:06Joe Rogan?

  That's a sensitive.

• 2:15:06Speaker 01

  Another friend I spent four days a week with because I was, like I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job. We hung out. His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time. And then one, one day, I thought, hey, I mean, he just recently passed away. So, hey, man, um, I got us a tee time for more at 1:30, da, da, da. Call me back. Nothing. Hey, uh, nothing. Two days, three days, four days, five days, a week, two weeks, a month. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Never heard, never heard from him again.

• 2:15:40Joe Rogan?

  What happened?

• 2:15:41Speaker 01

  His wife didn't like me.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:15:44Speaker 01

  That's what I found out.

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  His wife didn't like you?

• 2:15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't understand that at all.

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think she's jealous of our relationship.

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that. Well, they separate you from your friends. That's a real fucking problem. That's a giant red flag right there. That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends, that's crazy.

• 2:16:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. It's.

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:16:12Speaker 01

  You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys. And if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm gonna tell you, that's special.

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  That is special.

• 2:16:30Speaker 01

  That Fox show is so special. It is. You've seen this show, I assume, and we're just like, it's like a locker room.

• 2:17:12Speaker 04

  Somewhere out there is a Chevy truck. And the person who drives it, well, is a Chevy person. You probably know one. Your buddy, your sister, ones who always show up. They're the first to rise, the last to leave. They always have that little extra something. And maybe you've got it too. Chevrolet, together let's drive. Visit chevy.com/truck to explore the lineup.

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's how it's supposed to be.

• 2:17:41Speaker 01

  And we had so much fun.

• 2:17:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and that's what people like watching, too.

• 2:17:44Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 2:17:45Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:17:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:46Joe Rogan?

  People want to watch people that actually are friends.

• 2:17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we have fun. We had this one, I mean, you learn where you can go with your friends.

• 2:17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  All right? You learn, don't go here, don't go there. Which is fine. You want to make sure that, because we're on live television. So you don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television. So you learn where to go. And you build that trust. And then that trust, because you have the trust, you become, you bond. You become, hey, how you doing? Hey, man, I was this week. How's your daughter? It's great. Hey, how's your wife? Great. I mean, it's just, you just get, everybody hugs everybody. Hey, how was your week? I mean, it's, I can't even begin. The day that that show is over for me, and I hope I die on set, which is, I've always said, if I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe. Think about it. If I die on set. Seriously?

• 2:18:39Speaker 01

  If I could just get a couple of words out before I go.

• 2:18:44Joe Rogan?

  A good one.

• 2:18:44Speaker 01

  I don't want to just.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  It's one last good line.

• 2:18:48Speaker 01

  I really do think Dallas is going to win the Super Bowl. If I could just get something out.

• 2:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:55Speaker 01

  You know? Forever, immortal, right?

• 2:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:58Speaker 01

  Ah, great.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:59Speaker 01

  So I said, that's, and that's the way I feel. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do, you should. This is awesome. To get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically.

• 2:19:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:13Speaker 01

  Politicians don't agree with you, religious people, whatever. And you just sit there and you build this, you know? You get to know these people. You ask all these questions, or in my case, I'm... I'm just jumping around here. That's what I did. Well, he hadn't asked me about this.

• 2:19:30Joe Rogan?

  I like a jump around.

• 2:19:31Speaker 01

  Simon, is it Simon?

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Jamie.

• 2:19:33Speaker 01

  Jamie, I told you, Jamie just. That's it? No, I got it. Oh, no, I got it.

• 2:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Young Jamie.

• 2:19:38Speaker 01

  No, young.

• 2:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Think you like Van Halen, Jamie's Crying.

• 2:19:40Speaker 01

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, Jamie's crying.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  Remember that song?

• 2:19:44Speaker 01

  Look, I got it here.

• 2:19:46Joe Rogan?

  Jamie. Jamie, young Jamie.

• 2:19:48Speaker 01

  Jamie, you married?

• 2:19:49Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 2:19:50Speaker 01

  Attaboy.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Free man.

• 2:19:51Speaker 01

  Free.

• 2:19:52Joe Rogan?

  Ladies.

• 2:19:53Speaker 01

  How old are you, Jamie?

• 2:19:54Speaker 05

  Old enough.

• 2:19:56Speaker 01

  What'd he say?

• 2:19:57Joe Rogan?

  Old enough.

• 2:19:58Speaker 01

  What's that? What's old enough?

• 2:19:59Joe Rogan?

  Old enough to know.

• 2:20:01Speaker 01

  So how old are you, Jamie?

• 2:20:02Speaker 05

  Forty-three.

• 2:20:03Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay. Got a girl?

• 2:20:06Speaker 05

  Not right now.

• 2:20:07Speaker 01

  Ooh, okay.

• 2:20:08Joe Rogan?

  He's free right now.

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Ladies.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  Young Jamie's on the prowl.

• 2:20:15Speaker 01

  Jamie, you on the prowl?

• 2:20:16Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  Are you?

• 2:20:19Speaker 01

  Where's your, you, you, there's a lot of good looking women in Austin, Texas, Jamie.

• 2:20:23Joe Rogan?

  There is. It's a good, good place.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  You need some help.

• 2:20:25Joe Rogan?

  Good place to be a single guy.

• 2:20:26Speaker 01

  For you, bub.

• 2:20:27Speaker 05

  Ah, let's go out tonight.

• 2:20:32Speaker 01

  I guess we need to move on, right?

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's move on.

• 2:20:34Speaker 01

  But anyway, I'm so, i- i- in talking about that show, it just.

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, having a show like that where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer.

• 2:20:44Speaker 01

  It is. You wanna, listen, do you wanna turn on this, a show like pregame, come on, pregame shows.

• 2:20:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:49Speaker 01

  I watch them, I go, oh, God.

• 2:20:51Joe Rogan?

  Especially if it's stiff.

• 2:20:52Speaker 01

  You ever done this? Shut up!

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:55Speaker 01

  Shut up! Announcer, pre, God's doing the game. Shut the, mm, up.

• 2:20:59Joe Rogan?

  Right. Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football.

• 2:21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  And you hear them talking, you're like, shoo.

• 2:21:07Speaker 01

  You know what they're talking about?

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  What are they?

• 2:21:09Speaker 01

  Stats.

• 2:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:10Speaker 01

  They get it all right here.

• 2:21:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:12Speaker 01

  You know, and, and let me tell you something.

• 2:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:14Speaker 01

  I hate stats. I hate them.

• 2:21:17Joe Rogan?

  They're okay occasionally.

• 2:21:18Speaker 01

  If they make a real point.

• 2:21:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:22Speaker 01

  But if all you got is, well, fifty, fifty, and on third quarter, when the wind's blowing out of the Southwest, what is this?

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:28Speaker 01

  If it makes a point in a big, but otherwise.

• 2:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:21:33Speaker 01

  I remember once, well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys, and I love telling this story. On Howie, Howie is my best friend on the show without question. I mean, we are, we are so different. He went to Villanova. I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech. I got a college degree. Howie, I'm sorry, he didn't graduate. I'm sorry, Howie. Don't hate me for his big ass. What are you telling everybody I didn't gra-? Hey, I love you. I shouldn't have said, Joe, I didn't say that. Anyway, so we're doing this show. And we had Jimmy Johnson on the show. Jimmy's great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome.

• 2:22:17Speaker 01

  So Jimmy's telling this story, all right? And Jimmy's, Jimmy tell, and it's a funny story. And we, Jimmy starts laughing. We all start laughing. Strahan, ah, woo, we're belly aching. That's funny. That's funny, Jimmy. Michael Strahan's next, a director. We got it all worked out. It goes Jimmy, Michael, Terry, Howie. Jimmy, Howie, yeah, Howie. So Michael Strahan, he adds to that story and it's even funnier. Oh, woo, oh, my God, stop, stop right now. Oh, now it's my turn. Now, I'm, I've got a, I've got a, I've got a, you're a comedian.

• 2:23:00Speaker 01

  You know, you've got to, you've got to match it at least, right? Or do it one better. I'm adding to what Michael said, to what Jimmy said, and we're rolling. Ah, oh, God, stop. Oh, this is, oh, this is killing me. Oh, Howie's turn. Howie looks at the camera. The outside linebacker for Seattle, Bucky Buckhalter, sprained his ankle in pregame warmup and he won't be starting today for the Seahawks. Uh, Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State.

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  What? And then, and we go to commercial break. And I'm like, three, ha, ha, ha. One, huh. So I'm looking at Howie, and I'm staring at Howie, I'm just like this. He's turning, he feels me. He turns around and says, what? I said,

• 2:24:08Speaker 01

  you can't help it, can you?

• 2:24:10Joe Rogan?

  Help what?

• 2:24:11Speaker 01

  You know what I'm talking about.

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't. What are you talking about?

• 2:24:14Speaker 01

  And I said, you're boring.

• 2:24:23Speaker 01

  I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it.

• 2:24:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:26Speaker 01

  And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious, because he said, well, you know, being boring, let me say. And it was funny. But yeah, it was. But you can't do that unless there's trust.

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:24:39Speaker 01

  And Strahan, we made, the first day Strahan was on the show, we gave him half a cake. He says, why am I getting half a cake? Well, you just got divorced, so you lost the other half of her. So.

• 2:24:49Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. Well, if you can't joke around with people, that's no fun.

• 2:24:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:24:54Joe Rogan?

  That's not a good relationship.

• 2:24:56Speaker 01

  Well, you better know, you better know who you're joking around with.

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's like, you can't, if you can't joke around with someone, like, what's the point? That's what people do. It's part of fun in life. You should be able to take a joke, you should be able to give a joke, you should be able to have fun with each other.

• 2:25:08Speaker 01

  You just gotta know when, you just gotta know when.

• 2:25:10Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:25:11Speaker 01

  I mean, friends know when.

• 2:25:13Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:25:13Speaker 01

  I mean, I, you know, I, I talk to Howie all the time, all the time. And his son Kyle just got signed with CBS for their Today Show, which is.

• 2:25:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:25:23Speaker 01

  Great, great for him, and he's good.

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Howie did movies for a while, right?

• 2:25:27Speaker 01

  Howie was voted the up and coming star. And he had these three young kids, and he says, I don't want to raise my kids in LA. Where's the best place I can raise my kids? And they found a school system, Charlottesville, Virginia. He moved to Virginia and took his kid there and quit doing movies. Yeah. That's, that's having your priorities together.

• 2:25:46Joe Rogan?

  I remember reading something about him talking about it, like, his experience with movies, like, he didn't like it. Well, he didn't like Hollywood, he didn't like the whole thing, and.

• 2:25:55Speaker 01

  He. He could have been.

• 2:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Didn't someone hit on him too?

• 2:26:00Speaker 01

  Hit on him?

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  I think some guys hit on him.

• 2:26:03Speaker 01

  A guy hit on him?

• 2:26:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Is that true? Find out if that's true.

• 2:26:07Speaker 01

  I don't know if I'd find that out.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe don't look that up. Forget it. Don't look that up. But the point being.

• 2:26:15Speaker 01

  Simon, I mean.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Jamie.

• 2:26:16Speaker 01

  Jamie.

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  Simon, that's your new name, bro.

• 2:26:21Speaker 01

  I don't think Jamie, don't look that up, because.

• 2:26:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't look it up. I think I might have made that up. Or somebody might have told this to me. It might not be true, but the point is like, he.

• 2:26:29Speaker 01

  He could have been.

• 2:26:29Joe Rogan?

  He did a bunch of big movies.

• 2:26:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  And he was on his way to being a big action star.

• 2:26:34Speaker 01

  He was, action star, for sure.

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  I mean, of course, a giant guy, handsome.

• 2:26:38Speaker 01

  Good looking guy, great body.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Perfect for an action star.

• 2:26:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:42Joe Rogan?

  And then, just, I like it when a guy realizes, like, this is, you know, life is short.

• 2:26:45Speaker 01

  He didn't want to raise my kids in LA.

• 2:26:47Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's just like, you don't want, you know, it's, what, what you think that life is, it's not.

• 2:26:53Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  And it's also like sixteen hours a day on scenes.

• 2:26:55Speaker 01

  I've done five movies and you've done I don't know how many. And look, I don't want to sit around.

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:01Speaker 01

  All day long and go in and deliver one line.

• 2:27:04Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:27:04Speaker 01

  And here's the other thing.

• 2:27:07Speaker 01

  I'm not ever going to be a leading man. I'm always going to be Terry Bradshaw.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 2:27:13Speaker 01

  And that just sucks. Seriously. You always want to be Joe Rogan? No.

• 2:27:19Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:27:20Speaker 01

  No, you would like to be given an opportunity to really act.

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, if I actually wanted to act, yes.

• 2:27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but.

• 2:27:26Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, some people, they just don't like to do it. And I think with, I think with Howie, it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money. It looks good on paper. And then you start actually doing it and you realize like, you gotta be away for five months filming this thing.

• 2:27:40Speaker 01

  He was away all year, one year, doing, um, the Firestorm. And, and he was filming in Vancouver. He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red eye to Vancouver and filming all week. And I think.

• 2:27:58Joe Rogan?

  Breaks you down.

• 2:27:59Speaker 01

  Three little kids.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it breaks you down. It's not good for you. They don't like you. It doesn't feel good.

• 2:28:04Speaker 01

  And I, I applaud him for that. And he's, not only is he a great husband, great dad, he's a great grandfather. I'm a terrible grandfather. You got grandkids?

• 2:28:15Joe Rogan?

  No. They might terrible.

• 2:28:18Speaker 01

  You know, I just, I'm gone all the time. And, uh. It's kinda like getting that job.

• 2:28:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:26Speaker 01

  I gotta have a job. I gotta go put a suit on.

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  If you have to travel, you were saying that you give corporate speeches?

• 2:28:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:28:31Joe Rogan?

  What do you do? Like, what are those about?

• 2:28:33Speaker 01

  Speeches.

• 2:28:34Joe Rogan?

  Like, what do you speak about?

• 2:28:36Speaker 01

  Well, I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning, so I'm preparing a bank speech. And then...

• 2:28:44Joe Rogan?

  But what do you say to, like, what do you say to a bank? To a bunch of bankers?

• 2:28:49Speaker 01

  Uh, I know what, I know...

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Is it about leadership?

• 2:28:53Speaker 01

  I know, yeah, some of it's about leadership. It's about, it's basically, all the things that I know, Joe, have to do with ambition, dreams, drive, goals, failure, overcoming failure, how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people. So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like you used early with me.

• 2:29:20Joe Rogan?

  When did I use psychology with you?

• 2:29:22Speaker 01

  You know, when you did it. You know. Right. Hey, Bernie, Bernie, he knows.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  And so you do different ones for different kind of corporations?

• 2:29:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:37Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, kinda like a team-building thing? They get together and you give speeches?

• 2:29:40Speaker 01

  Depends on what they want.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. When did you start doing that?

• 2:29:43Speaker 01

  I've been doing it, uh, forty-three years.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Really? Wow!

• 2:29:48Speaker 01

  I know, it's amazing, isn't it?

• 2:29:49Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. And how did you get into that?

• 2:29:52Speaker 01

  I gave a speech in Destin, Florida for Frito-Lay.

• 2:29:58Speaker 01

  And it was taped. And they paid me five thousand dollars. And I was doing speeches for twelve hundred, eight hundred, fifty dollars. And they offered me five thousand ducks, five thousand bucks. Are you kidding me? I go down there, and it's for Frito-Lay, so I build this speech up and da-da-da-da-da. And they go give this speech, and the speech is really good. And they taped it, and they sent me a VHS copy. And my, my then-wife put it on one day and thought, "Oh, my God, this is really good, and it's funny and stuff." So she found out where, where the bureaus were, who booked speakers. And there were ten really good ones. And she sent this tape and a bio to ten different...

• 2:30:45Speaker 01

  Speaking Associations, alright? We got that through Fran Tarkin's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us on to it. So I come in, she says, "I sent this off. I'm getting calls now for speeches." I'm like, "What?" She says, "Yeah." She says, "We got, you wanna do this? You wanna do that?" And all of them were for five thousand. I'm like, "Five thousand? Are you shitting me? Five? I'm getting five grand? Five grand?" I'm like, "Oh, my God. Five grand? Really?" I'm like, "Amazing." So I started doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for five grand.

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  So I go to Hawaii on vacation, and I'm in Hawaii, and a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, WSB, they speak, they booked political speakers, and they had Joe Theismann and Jim Valvano, and maybe Lou Holtz, the three guys they had. So they call it the rainy day file, and they got a big box where they get all the, you know, people send them to them all the time. "Hey, Joe, will you, we want to come on your show." "Okay, put it over there. Put it over there. Put it over there." And eventually you go through it, "Oh, we oughta have them on," right? That's kinda how it went. So one day, they're looking at these tapes, and they're going, "No, no." Spitting. Then they came across Terry Bradshaw.

• 2:32:06Speaker 01

  "Hey, hey, I hear this guy's pretty good. Really? We'll put it on." They put it on, and they went, "We wanna sign him." So I'm in Hawaii. I get a phone call in the morning. "Hello? This is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We think you've got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Da-da-da-da-da. Please call us back." I thought, "What?" So, you know, it's Hawaii, it's, what, seven in the morning? So it's, what, it's one o'clock there at times? I call them, and they said, "Look, we think you've got great possibility, and we think

• 2:32:49Speaker 01

  he can, we can book you and book you a lot." And I said, "Well, I'm being booked by ten people right now. Why wouldn't I want to go one? One person?" "Well, we're gonna guarantee you fifty speeches at seventy-five-hundred dollars a speech."

• 2:33:07Speaker 01

  Excuse me? Did you say seventy-five? Ah, hundred dollars? I'm like, holy cow. So they said, we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington DC and we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal. So I did, they did, and I did. We sat down, fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a proposal. Fifty speeches, seventy-five hundred. Add that up, that's a pretty good, that's a pretty good chunk of dough. So I signed. I'm with them exclusively now. And they said, we'll have you at ten thousand in six months. Ten thou- ten thou- you're gonna book me for ten grand? Are you kidding me? That ain't, that's crazy. Sure enough.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  So that's how you got into speeches?

• 2:33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:52Joe Rogan?

  So when you do speeches, like say of like, a tire, like tire company calls you, whatever it is, do you write it out for that company?

• 2:34:01Speaker 01

  Never, I never write it, I do not write a word. I cannot write. I write here.

• 2:34:08Joe Rogan?

  So how do you plan out a speech?

• 2:34:10Speaker 01

  I, I write here.

• 2:34:11Joe Rogan?

  You just sit around and think about what you're gonna say?

• 2:34:14Speaker 01

  Exactly. And over time, what speakers do, 'cause I asked Jay Leno this one time. Why, you're doing all, you're doing a hundred stand-ups. And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year and I do it all, I don't change anything other than the name, where I'm going. And so a hundred, I'm like, oh. So I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno. Takes the same thing and then put tire company in there and build it around that. And, you know, what else I started doing? I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. Um, you know, one of the guys I, that came to hear me speak here in Austin?

• 2:34:57Speaker 01

  McRaven, Admiral McRaven.

• 2:34:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:35:00Speaker 01

  Have you had him on yet?

• 2:35:01Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:35:01Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. The guy that gives the 10 points of success?

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah, I've seen his speeches, yeah.

• 2:35:07Speaker 01

  He was the head of Texas, oh, amazing. Fat, the Osama Bin Laden? That's his, that's his raid. The whole thing was him. He designed that whole raid. Amazing human being. He's right here in your backyard and you haven't had him on. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Joe.

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  There's only so many days in a week you could do shows, you know? Can't have everybody on.

• 2:35:30Speaker 01

  Okay, man, do you do a show every day?

• 2:35:32Joe Rogan?

  Four days a week.

• 2:35:33Speaker 01

  Okay, what's the day off?

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Usually Friday, but it shifts. It shifts, depending on, you know, what I got going on.

• 2:35:41Speaker 01

  But, you know, so I, I, um, I build a show according to what they're doing and through all my reading. And I'm naturally, I think I'm gifted enough humor wise that I've incorporated a ton of humor and I mix the humor in and I incorporate the audience.

• 2:36:05Joe Rogan?

  And so, did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better?

• 2:36:08Speaker 01

  I wanted to get smarter.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Ha, that's funny.

• 2:36:11Speaker 01

  I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to be, yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things. Yeah, I took psychology and marketing and all that in college, but I, I thought, hey, if I'm gonna make a career out of this, get all the, gather all the knowledge you can gather.

• 2:36:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:26Speaker 01

  And so, that's what I did.

• 2:36:27Joe Rogan?

  That's very smart.

• 2:36:28Speaker 01

  I started reading all these self-help books and, and you know what? When you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic. There is a common, there's a common, there's a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have. And I don't steal, I don't steal material, but I do steal, I do program my speeches. I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company.

• 2:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Aye!

• 2:36:55Speaker 01

  Did that once, I did that once. Um, I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5,000 people. And I went out there and I'm, you know, I've got a style about me. It's freelance. It's hey, you know, I work the crowd. I get to know them. I'm having a good time, feeling good. And I haven't even started my speech in the, the, the meeting plan to the guy that I don't can, let's give it up, give it up. Terry Bradshaw, Terry, but thank you, Terry. Thank you so much. Terry Bradshaw. They escort me off. I, 10 minutes, 10 minutes. So there's three.

• 2:37:32Joe Rogan?

  What happened? Why did they escort you off?

• 2:37:34Speaker 01

  He, he thought I didn't, he thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess. I, but that, he obviously didn't look at my tapes and, but I was just, I was just having fun with the crowd before I, you know, I worked my, sometimes I, sometimes I'll go right into it.

• 2:37:51Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:37:52Speaker 01

  Sometimes I won't, sometimes I'll, hey, I, you know, I'm, I mess with them.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:56Speaker 01

  I'm just.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Having fun.

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:59Speaker 01

  He, out of there.

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:38:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm very.

• 2:38:03Joe Rogan?

  What, what kind of company was that?

• 2:38:05Speaker 01

  Um, someone that could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech. Yeah, bad.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, some people are very impatient, you know?

• 2:38:13Speaker 01

  Bad, it was bad. And I asked my wife in the car going to the airport, you know, when you, I said, what's wrong? And I said, what did I do? Something wrong? She said, you did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't know your style.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Uh, so they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting?

• 2:38:27Speaker 01

  Excuse me.

• 2:38:27Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine that for.

• 2:38:28Speaker 01

  I would think, I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%, but that's what I was just gonna say. I would imagine.

• 2:38:35Speaker 01

  And if you win four Super Bowls, you know, pressure, you know, up and down. You know how to deal with, you get in the huddle, how do you manage a huddle? How do you do this? How do you call plays? And I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearm, number four, number four, where I had to go.

• 2:38:54Speaker 01

  Second and eight, okay, look, we're second and eight, here we're there, here's where this go, let's go, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. And they're like, no, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, no, no, I don't want to run that. Let's go this and da, da, da. I totally ran the, I totally ran the huddle, the whole thing. What do y'all say? Can we do that? No, we can't. What do you want to do? That, I ran the huddle. I was smart enough as the.

• 2:39:20Speaker 01

  Chairman of the board in the huddle to say, "I don't have all the answers. I thought I did. We're not doing very well here. I'm gonna try this play, but what do y'all think?" And I got input. Oh, is there anything better than input? Is there anything better than the people that are do- as a, as a sales team, you got a sales manager and sales team's going back said, "No, no, no, no, no, no. This is not a good, this isn't working. They don't like this, that, and you change it." Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos.

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:39:54Speaker 01

  Competition. And that's how, that's how I ran, I ran the-

• 2:40:00Joe Rogan?

  The huddle.

• 2:40:01Speaker 01

  The huddle. And speaking, speaking is, I know where I'm going when I walk on stage. And once I get on stage, I can tell within five minutes, I'm gonna change my direction. And I can't, been doing it forty something years.

• 2:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:19Speaker 01

  I got, you know, eight hours of material, not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week. So I can change it. And I gotta tell you, you're a stand-up comedian. Is there anything better than getting on stage and deliver a performance and they are just laughing at everything, just rolling, just rolling, just rolling. And you walk off and they're screaming, "Joe, Joe, Joe." And you're like, "God, man, I nailed it tonight." Then you walk off. Or going out and go, "Hella, did you hear this? They the other day, what about that?" And everything falls flat. And when you leave, and you go offstage and you're mi- or you're not miserable.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Miserable.

• 2:41:02Speaker 01

  Miserable.

• 2:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:41:04Speaker 01

  You don't wanna be miserable.

• 2:41:05Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:41:06Speaker 01

  You did everything you could to make them enjoyable. I'm entertaining them. I, I want this to be a great experience for them. And when you fail, it's devastating. It's devastating.

• 2:41:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So, why'd they pay ya?

• 2:41:19Speaker 01

  What do you think?

• 2:41:20Joe Rogan?

  They pay ya to be, they pay ya to be entertaining.

• 2:41:22Speaker 01

  Look at Hank.

• 2:41:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:24Speaker 01

  Poor Jamie. Poor, oh, Jamie. Sorry, Jay. I'm sorry, man.

• 2:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that it's a completely different thing, but, but having a guy like you go and talk to a corporation has gotta be very fun for them. You know, because, you know, your guys won the Super Bowl. Your guys like-

• 2:41:41Speaker 01

  My speeches, my speeches are-

• 2:41:47Speaker 01

  Do you know who Joel Holstein is?

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  I know the name.

• 2:41:51Speaker 01

  He's the preacher.

• 2:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Joel Olsteen.

• 2:41:54Speaker 01

  Oh, what did I say? Holstein, like the cow? Holstein, you're right. Holstein, right?

• 2:41:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah.

• 2:41:59Speaker 01

  Oh, he doesn't go to church. He doesn't know. It's Holstein.

• 2:42:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that guy.

• 2:42:03Speaker 01

  He's a feel-good guy.

• 2:42:04Joe Rogan?

  He does the giant stadium preacher.

• 2:42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. God, look at the mountain. You see the mountain.

• 2:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Look at my Rolls Royce.

• 2:42:11Speaker 01

  One of those good guys. Yeah, it's a good guy. And people need that in their life.

• 2:42:15Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:42:15Speaker 01

  I like to say, "There's another mountain out there." But if you continue down the path you're going, and I want my hand spanked, you know? I don't need it spanked. I know it should be spanked, but I want him to spank. It's fine with me. Speaking, when I go out to speak, I'm a feel-good. I'm a feel-good guy. You know, unless they say to me, "Here's where we're struggling. We need you to add this, this, and this."

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  Also, sometimes they'll give you a direction.

• 2:42:47Speaker 01

  Always. They always give you a direction.

• 2:42:49Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so they have like a purpose for why you're doing the speech.

• 2:42:52Speaker 01

  You always know where you're going. You always know what your audience is. Yeah.

• 2:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it. But that's a lot of... So is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year? You're doing a lot of those?

• 2:43:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I do, yeah, a lot. Tuesday, Wednesday of this week, then I'll get off. I do 30 a year, which is plenty.

• 2:43:10Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot.

• 2:43:12Speaker 01

  When you're getting 5 million a speech, I mean, you've got to think about it.

• 2:43:17Speaker 01

  What do you think, Buck?

• 2:43:20Speaker 01

  Old Buck's over there. He's like, "I'd be so glad when this boy's off."

• 2:43:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he likes you. Terry, thank you very much for being here, man. This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. It was great to talk to you.

• 2:43:32Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 2:43:32Joe Rogan?

  I'm, uh, thank you.

• 2:43:34Speaker 01

  Thanks, Joe. Been watching you, enjoying you. You're smart.

• 2:43:37Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 2:43:38Speaker 01

  You're insightful. You do your homework. I helped you today, though.

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  You did. You helped me a lot. Yeah.

• 2:43:45Speaker 01

  Doing what you do is not easy.

• 2:43:48Joe Rogan?

  I found out about limousine cattle.

• 2:43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Taught me some things.

• 2:43:51Speaker 01

  I know. I know. You know how to fix a perelapse uterus?

• 2:43:55Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 2:43:58Speaker 01

  Show him, Jamie. I'd rather not.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  Um, so tell everybody how they buy this whiskey. Is it everywhere? Can you get it? Is there a website?

• 2:44:06Speaker 01

  We're in 11 states. Right now, you can go Terry Bradshaw Bourbon dot com. You'll find out where we are in Texas.

• 2:44:15Joe Rogan?

  Terry Bradshaw Bourbon dot com. There it is. Look at that.

• 2:44:18Speaker 01

  There it is. That's not a good picture. I should have had... Oh, look at the cigar, Joe.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a solid picture. Yeah, cigar.

• 2:44:24Speaker 01

  That's an old man. You're 58?

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and look at that. You got a serious whiskey sifter there. What are those things called? Snifter?

• 2:44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are good.

• 2:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's like with your serious taster.

• 2:44:34Speaker 01

  You know, it... It is... The thing about... Now, people think, "Boy, he's making a killing off that whiskey." I'm not making... I may make $6,000 this year. Six. But we're building the... We're building it... It's slow, whiskey is. Bourbon is slow, man. It's hard.

• 2:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Has to age.

• 2:44:54Speaker 01

  You go down... You go down that aisle and there's 5,000, and we've won all these awards. All the... We beat them all.

• 2:45:02Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:45:02Speaker 01

  Beat them all.

• 2:45:03Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations.

• 2:45:04Speaker 01

  Thank you. I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the juice is mine. I created this juice.

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  It has to be something that you love doing. Yeah, that's not something you can...

• 2:45:11Speaker 01

  You know what? It could be... It could be any other product. I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it. I like selling.

• 2:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's an aged product. It's a different... Like, if you were selling vodka or tequila, something that you could just make real quick.

• 2:45:26Speaker 01

  No, this is...

• 2:45:27Joe Rogan?

  It's a different thing. Aged whiskey's a very different thing.

• 2:45:30Speaker 01

  It took me a year and a half to get the blend right.

• 2:45:33Speaker 01

  The blend, the juice.

• 2:45:34Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  Took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle. Then, when I put it in a bottle, I wanted... This is old Gunsmoke. Said it on the count. I wanted a Gunsmoke bottle. And this is the original label. And that's gunpowder.

• 2:45:52Speaker 01

  Gunpowder gray. And the Super Bowl stuff is put on there by, you know, the bottling company, which I didn't really, I, I, that wasn't part of it. It, you know, Joe, you ever got to a point in your life when you go, can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me?

• 2:46:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:09Speaker 01

  I mean, well, it wouldn't have been like that if it hadn't been you, Terry.

• 2:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:13Speaker 01

  Can it not, can it not be just because it's good?

• 2:46:16Joe Rogan?

  You certainly could do that.

• 2:46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:46:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:18Speaker 01

  My stud horses, I have the best stud horses in America. You know, best. And they're breeding world champions. And I'm so proud of that. And it, their business is good. You know, but I don't have to sell them. They're selling, they're, we have offspring that sell them.

• 2:46:34Joe Rogan?

  But this is Bradshaw whiskey.

• 2:46:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is this. I wouldn't want my dad to see it.

• 2:46:40Speaker 01

  There it is.

• 2:46:42Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 2:46:42Speaker 01

  There it is.

• 2:46:43Joe Rogan?

  All right, Terry.

• 2:46:44Speaker 01

  But thank you.

• 2:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 2:46:45Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 2:46:46Joe Rogan?

  Thanks for being here, brother.

• 2:46:47Speaker 01

  I've been a huge fan for many years.

• 2:46:48Joe Rogan?

  And, and me and you.

• 2:46:49Speaker 01

  And thanks, we didn't get into politics, which I'm very thankful for.

• 2:46:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad to.

• 2:46:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too. I bet you are. I know I am.

• 2:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Enough.

• 2:46:55Speaker 01

  Enough.

• 2:46:56Joe Rogan?

  Enough of that in this world. Thank you, Terry.

• 2:46:58Speaker 01

  Thank you, Jerry.

• 2:46:58Joe Rogan?

  That was one. All right. Bye, everybody.